From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 1 01:23:58 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oopsed /etc/syslog.conf Message-ID: <20011201002101.A21495@rephil.org> Hi, I was playing with my /etc/syslog.conf to set my new HP laptop up so that the disk would spin down and stay that way. However, I think I may have eradicated an important line, because I now have no /var/log/sys.log Can someone share the pertinent lines of their /etc/syslog.conf and let me compare notes to see if I can put it back? (I'm looking on my other systems, but this is the only RH system -- the rest are Debian and I want to make sure it's done the same way.) Thanks! -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sat Dec 1 04:38:44 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xine install question Message-ID: <200112010908.fB1981u10465@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I'm installing the xine tar (xine-lib and xine-ui both 0.9.6) files into /usr/local. My xine-lib file seems to have installed OK using ./configure --prefix=/usr/local then make and make install. I then performed a /sbin/ldconfig to regenerate the library cache. However, when I perform the ./configure ---prefix=/usr/local on the xine-ui, I get the following error: ...run-time linker is not finding XINE. It then tells me to: ...set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to point to the correct location. I assumed this was: $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib. Apparently not! Do I need: $ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/loca/lib. Can I edit the /etc/ld.so.conf file? What would I add? Or am I pointing to the wrong directory? Newbie disease has kicked in but I'm so close I can almost see it. Thanks for your help.... From andy at theasis.com Sat Dec 1 08:39:30 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oopsed /etc/syslog.conf In-Reply-To: <20011201002101.A21495@rephil.org> Message-ID: > I was playing with my /etc/syslog.conf to set my new HP laptop up so > that the disk would spin down and stay that way. However, I think I > may have eradicated an important line, because I now have no > /var/log/sys.log Erm... I have no such thing on any of my redhat systems; no sys.log or even syslog. All the stuff is (by default) written to /var/log/messages. > Can someone share the pertinent lines of their /etc/syslog.conf and Below is sylog.conf from my laptop, which is RH7.something. Andy ----------- # Log all kernel messages to the console. # Logging much else clutters up the screen. #kern.* /dev/console # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. # Don't log private authentication messages! *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none /var/log/messages # The authpriv file has restricted access. authpriv.* /var/log/secure # Log all the mail messages in one place. mail.* /var/log/maillog # Log cron stuff cron.* /var/log/cron # Everybody gets emergency messages, plus log them on another # machine. *.emerg * # Save mail and news errors of level err and higher in a # special file. uucp,news.crit /var/log/spooler # Save boot messages also to boot.log local7.* /var/log/boot.log From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Sat Dec 1 08:41:47 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] netfilter & IIS/WLBS Message-ID: I do not have the answer. I'd like to know more though. What version / patch level are the NT machines. Does the "Window Load Balancing Software" come bundled, or is it a separate package (version?)? Where can more info be had on how it operates? Does it spoof IPs or MACs to get it's job done? Does IPTables have a problem with that? Mostly curious, but good luck! Troy >>> jhawley@bgea.org 11/26/01 09:00AM >>> Hi. I've a firewall running Netfilter/iptables 1.2.3-2 on Linux 2.4.13. Does anyone know of any issues / incompatabilities with Webservers running IISv5 on multiple NT machines with "Window Load Balancing Software"? The web sites run off their own IP's (about 30 of them) and some sites/ip's route through the firewall while others don't. However if they take one of the two "clustered" machines down, then everything appears to work correctly. Iptables rules treat all these website ip's the same. I know this is sketchy .. I was just wondering, generally, if there are any gotcha's with this setup that anyones heard of. (I'm thinking maybe something with the connection tracking and the webservers doing redirection between each other??) I couldn't find any mention of this problem in the Netfilter list archives, so I'm hoping its just a misconfiguration on the NT's. Thanks. -- John Hawley BGEA/ITS <=> Network Admin 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Dec 1 09:40:46 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xine install question In-Reply-To: <200112010908.fB1981u10465@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from rahrenstorff@mediaone.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:07:29AM -0600 References: <200112010908.fB1981u10465@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011201085758.A12045@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:07:29AM -0600, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > I'm installing the xine tar (xine-lib and xine-ui both 0.9.6) files into > /usr/local. My xine-lib file seems to have installed OK using ./configure > --prefix=/usr/local then make and make install. I then performed a > /sbin/ldconfig to regenerate the library cache. However, when I perform the > ./configure ---prefix=/usr/local on the xine-ui, I get the following error: > ...run-time linker is not finding XINE. It then tells me to: ...set the > LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to point to the correct location. > > I assumed this was: $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib. Apparently not! You are right. It is not. > Do I > need: $ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/loca/lib. No! > Can I edit the /etc/ld.so.conf > file? What would I add? Or am I pointing to the wrong directory? That's the way to go. Add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and then remove /etc/ld.so.cache and run ldconfig -v | less and check for the names of your libraries. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know there is an app that displays temperature only (I thought about getting that before since I don't know what to do with dewpoint and pressure info anyway) but I'd really like the snowing/raining type info. On a slightly different note, I was using ascd to play my CDs, but it seems to have a very inconvenient bug* and I removed it from my system. Does anyone know any similar CD-playing programs? I'm using WorkMan at the moment, but I liked having the dockabble app. Thanks! Lorry (* Pressing the eject button usually resulted in me having to shutdown the computer.) From peter-clark at tides.com Sat Dec 1 12:31:35 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] umounting Message-ID: <200112011739.fB1Hdlx284856@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> -- Dave Sherohman wrote: > Pull the floppy/DOK out after > saving and before the kernel flushes the cache (either because you > unmounted it or because the kernel wanted the cache space for > something else), and you've just lost your data. You're right; I tested this as you suggested and lost the test file. And Jay Austad suggested: > Your best bet is to use something like supermount, which will always make > sure the data on your removable devices is synced. This would be nice, except that AFAIK (correct me if I'm wrong), supermount is undergoing a major rewrite for the 2.4 kernel (which is why Mandrake didn't include it in 8.1). I'm currently in the process of upgrading from 2.4.5 to 2.4.16 (thought I would wait a while for the VM to stabalize) and would dearly love to use something other than the brain-dead autofs that I am currently stuck with. :Peter From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Sat Dec 1 13:38:10 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sed & regexp goofiness Message-ID: <20011201130148.A31830@lemongecko.org> I'm messing with a bash script that will remove spaces from filenames (usually for mp3s I get from newsgroups). I had this: echo $src | sed -e 's/[ ]+/_/g' - ("src" contains the filename with spaces in it) and thought that the "+" would add a little bit of robustness, but the spaces didn't get replaced when I used that regexp! I tried "s/ /_/g" and "s/[ ]/_g" and those worked, and then found the [[:space:]] character class, so my script works now. Additionally, I think bash automatically strips out multiple whitespace: I have a file called "lotsa spaces", and when I do for f in * ; do echo $f ; done it prints "lotsa spaces" for that file. So I've fixed my problem -- but why doesn't sed understand "[ ]+" or " +" ? Thanks, Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011201/79ed77f3/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Dec 1 14:50:19 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wmweather alternative? In-Reply-To: <20011126135704.A469@slava.net> References: <20011126135704.A469@slava.net> Message-ID: <1007235542.16554.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Mon, 2001-11-26 at 13:57, Lorry wrote: > Right now I have wmweather to tell me about the temperature, etc. but I'm > wondering if there is a similar app that has a "general description" of the > condition, e.g. instead of "Temp: 33 F, Dew: 32 F, Prs: 29.95, Hum: 93%, > Wnd: ENE 20" what I really want to know is "33 F and snowing." Well, the wind > speed is nice too. :) Is there anything that will tell me when it's snowing, > raining, mostly cloudy and that sort of thing? It doesn't have to have the > cute little pictures of snowflakes and smiling sunshines like they have on > TV weather reports, just any indication. > I know there is an app that displays temperature only (I thought about getting > that before since I don't know what to do with dewpoint and pressure info > anyway) but I'd really like the snowing/raining type info. I'm using Gnome Weather (gweather) 0.05, and it gives me the temp plus a small image showing current conditions. I can right-click to get a detailed dialog box with a weather map, forecast, and more info on current conditions. It docks into the Gnome panel, but I don't know what it would do in either Afterstep's or Window Maker's wharf. Dave -- Earth -- mother of the most beautiful women in the universe. -- Apollo, "Who Mourns for Adonais?" stardate 3468.1 From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sat Dec 1 14:52:41 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xine install question In-Reply-To: <20011201085758.A12045@beaver.iucha.org> References: <200112010908.fB1981u10465@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <20011201085758.A12045@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <200112011958.fB1JwRu20625@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > That's the way to go. Add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and then remove > /etc/ld.so.cache and run ldconfig -v | less and check for the names of your > libraries. > > Cheers, > florin Thanks for your advice... I added /usr/local/lib to my /etc/ld.so.config, removed the existing cache and perfomed a /sbin/ldconfig. This seems to have worked. I now have very nice pictures (after installing the d4d plugin). However, I have no sound. I assume the default sound plugin is incorrect for my setup. How do know what plugin do use? Should I just install all of the sound plugins? (I assume they would also get installed with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local, make, make install.) From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 1 14:54:05 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oopsed /etc/syslog.conf In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:23:18AM -0600 References: <20011201002101.A21495@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011201140115.A22950@rephil.org> On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:23:18AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I was playing with my /etc/syslog.conf to set my new HP laptop up so > > that the disk would spin down and stay that way. However, I think I > > may have eradicated an important line, because I now have no > > /var/log/sys.log > > Erm... I have no such thing on any of my redhat systems; no sys.log or > even syslog. All the stuff is (by default) written to /var/log/messages. Thanks -- that's what I needed to know. :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Sat Dec 1 14:56:15 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS Message-ID: I am trying to set up NIS on my home network. When I run ypinit -m I get the following error messages: failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredyphelper: This program is for internal use from some ypserv scripts and should never be called from a terminal failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredyphelper: This program is for internal use from some ypserv scripts and should never be called from a terminal failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredmakedbm: Cannot open /var/yp/spinti/netgroup gmake[1]: *** [netgroup] Error 1 make: *** [target] Error 2 gawk: cmd. line:2: fatal: error reading input file `-': Input/output error A little history on the machine might help: It began as a 486 running RedHat 5.2 and served as my PDC. I upgraded samba for a while and then upgraded to RH 6.0. I then changed the motherboard to a P166 and upgraded to 6.2. I installed the following packages for NIS: yp-tools 2.4 ypbind 1.7 is in /usr/sbin and in /etc/rc.d/init.d ypserv 1.3.9 is in /usr/sbin and in /etc/rc.d/init.d make 3.78 (never had it in the original install) The machine only has 16 MB or RAM, so I cannot install RH 7.x. I attached the print out from the ypinit -m command Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 -------------- next part -------------- At this point, we have to construct a list of the hosts which will run NIS servers. 486.spinti is in the list of NIS server hosts. Please continue to add the names for the other hosts, one per line. When you are done with the list, type a . next host to add: 486.spinti next host to add: The current list of NIS servers looks like this: 486.spinti Is this correct? [y/n: y] We need some minutes to build the databases... Building /var/yp/spinti/ypservers... Running /var/yp/Makefile... gmake[1]: Entering directory `/var/yp/spinti' Updating passwd.byname... Updating passwd.byuid... Updating group.byname... Updating group.bygid... Updating hosts.byname... Updating hosts.byaddr... Updating rpc.byname... Updating rpc.bynumber... Updating services.byname... Updating netid.byname... Updating protocols.bynumber... Updating protocols.byname... Updating netgroup... gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/var/yp/spinti' Error running Makefile. Please try it by hand. 486.spinti has been set up as a NIS master server. Now you can run ypinit -s 486.spinti on all slave server. From esper at sherohman.org Sat Dec 1 14:57:47 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sed & regexp goofiness In-Reply-To: <20011201130148.A31830@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:01:48PM -0600 References: <20011201130148.A31830@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011201142038.C8700@sherohman.org> On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:01:48PM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > So I've fixed my problem -- but why doesn't sed understand "[ ]+" or > " +" ? You have to escape the +. Use " \+" instead. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From florin at iucha.net Sat Dec 1 16:30:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xine install question In-Reply-To: <200112011958.fB1JwRu20625@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from rahrenstorff@mediaone.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:57:55PM -0600 References: <200112010908.fB1981u10465@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <20011201085758.A12045@beaver.iucha.org> <200112011958.fB1JwRu20625@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011201153844.A26853@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:57:55PM -0600, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > I added /usr/local/lib to my /etc/ld.so.config, removed the existing cache > and perfomed a /sbin/ldconfig. This seems to have worked. I now have very > nice pictures (after installing the d4d plugin). However, I have no sound. > I assume the default sound plugin is incorrect for my setup. How do know > what plugin do use? Should I just install all of the sound plugins? (I > assume they would also get installed with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local, > make, make install.) Hmm... run ./configure --help and you'll see what options you are. Next you have to know if you are using OSS, Alsa, esound... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Dec 1 16:43:54 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200112012212.fB1MCsT28811@sprite.real-time.com> On 1 Dec 01, at 14:14, James Spinti wrote: > The machine only has 16 MB or RAM, so I cannot install RH 7.x. > Don't be so sure about that. Check out: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops Jay From houle at citilink.com Sat Dec 1 16:51:40 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Settlement Message-ID: It was brought up during the December 1st presentation about Wine that there is a 60 day public comment period relative to the U.S. vs. Microsoft case. The Tunney Act sets forth procedures that must be followed whenever the United States proposes to settle a civil antitrust suit through entry of a consent decree. Pursuant to the Tunney Act, members of the public have an opportunity to comment on the proposed settlement before it is accepted by the court. I have posted the URL on the Twin Cities PC Users Group web site at: http://www.tcpc.com . So you may read about and/or comment if you so choose. fyi From tl at assimilated.org Sat Dec 1 18:01:06 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Asus socket 7 with RH 7.1 memory problems In-Reply-To: <000901c17ab4$3cb855a0$af02353f@umn.edu>; from santo004@earthlink.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:05:05PM -0600 References: <20011201130148.A31830@lemongecko.org> <20011201142038.C8700@sherohman.org> <000901c17ab4$3cb855a0$af02353f@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011201164756.A4036@assimilated.org> On Dec 01 at 04:05PM John Santopietro wrote: > Hello, > I have just installed redhat 7.1 on my pc with a socket 7 > motherboard that has 128 M of memory but when I open a gui it bogs > down. I checked the memory in the system properties and it is > only recognizing 13M. I poked around the net and I see others > have had the problem but I am unable to find a solution. I am > wondering if I can edit a config file some where or if there is > another fix? What model Asus? P5 and P5a have never given me trouble. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My d4d plugin works quite well, although when trying to access the d4d tab in the RMF window it will cause a segfault in xine. Again, thanks for your help. From tl at assimilated.org Sat Dec 1 18:04:47 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS In-Reply-To: <200112012212.fB1MCsT28811@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:12:44PM -0600 References: <200112012212.fB1MCsT28811@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011201170026.A2664@assimilated.org> On Dec 01 at 04:12PM Jay W. Anderson wrote: > On 1 Dec 01, at 14:14, James Spinti wrote: >> The machine only has 16 MB or RAM, so I cannot install RH 7.x. > Don't be so sure about that. > Check out: > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops That document was not prepared with redhat 7.x in mind. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I run ypinit -m I get > the following error messages: > failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to > send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredyphelper: This > program is for internal use from some > ypserv scripts and should never be called > from a terminal > failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredyphelper: > This program is for internal use from some > ypserv scripts and should never be called > from a terminal > failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to > send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send > 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' > to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local > ypserv: RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: > RPC: Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: > Program not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program > not registeredfailed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not > registeredmakedbm: Cannot open /var/yp/spinti/netgroup > gmake[1]: *** [netgroup] Error 1 > make: *** [target] Error 2 > gawk: cmd. line:2: fatal: error reading input file `-': Input/output error > > A little history on the machine might help: > It began as a 486 running RedHat 5.2 and served as my PDC. I upgraded samba > for a while and then upgraded to RH 6.0. I then changed the motherboard to > a P166 and upgraded to 6.2. I installed the following packages for NIS: > yp-tools 2.4 > ypbind 1.7 is in /usr/sbin and in /etc/rc.d/init.d > ypserv 1.3.9 is in /usr/sbin and in /etc/rc.d/init.d > make 3.78 (never had it in the original install) > > The machine only has 16 MB or RAM, so I cannot install RH 7.x. > > I attached the print out from the ypinit -m command > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > ---- > > > At this point, we have to construct a list of the hosts which will run NIS > servers. 486.spinti is in the list of NIS server hosts. Please continue to add > the names for the other hosts, one per line. When you are done with the > list, type a . > next host to add: 486.spinti > next host to add: > The current list of NIS servers looks like this: > > 486.spinti > > Is this correct? [y/n: y] We need some minutes to build the databases... > Building /var/yp/spinti/ypservers... > Running /var/yp/Makefile... > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/var/yp/spinti' > Updating passwd.byname... > Updating passwd.byuid... > Updating group.byname... > Updating group.bygid... > Updating hosts.byname... > Updating hosts.byaddr... > Updating rpc.byname... > Updating rpc.bynumber... > Updating services.byname... > Updating netid.byname... > Updating protocols.bynumber... > Updating protocols.byname... > Updating netgroup... > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/var/yp/spinti' > Error running Makefile. > Please try it by hand. > > 486.spinti has been set up as a NIS master server. > > Now you can run ypinit -s 486.spinti on all slave server. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anderson wrote: > > > On 1 Dec 01, at 14:14, James Spinti wrote: > > >> The machine only has 16 MB or RAM, so I cannot install RH 7.x. > > > Don't be so sure about that. > > > Check out: > > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops > > That document was not prepared with redhat 7.x in mind. > > -- From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Sat Dec 1 22:28:22 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASCII Star Wars Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know this is totally off-topic but it's just too cool. 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Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2972 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011201/d973fa91/attachment.bin From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Sun Dec 2 01:34:16 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASCII Star Wars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120123142902.30260@edith> Damn, after spending all that money on the Crossover Plugin! Kelly Black On Monday 26 November 2001 15:44, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I know this is totally off-topic but it's just too cool. > > Check out Star Wars the way it truly was meant to be....in ASCII. > > telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl > > Leif Hvidsten > Metro-MN CCOP > E-mail: mailto:hvidsl@parknicollet.com > Phone: (952) 993-1535 > PGP ID: 0x3626E2CD > Key Fingerprint: 21C2 286E 8FAF 25D1 9356 923A 0D05 6DE8 3626 E2CD From sos at zjod.net Sun Dec 2 01:49:11 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: from "Miller, John" at Nov 26, 2001 02:02:47 PM Message-ID: <200111262209.fAQM9mw22568@zjod.net> Mostly likely a bad power supply. Miller, John wrote: > > My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and > runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the > corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. > When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, and > straighten the corners using the monitor menu. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this. > > John Miller > RBC Dain Rauscher > Information Services - Capital Markets > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > IS - Mail Stop: T23 > New E-mail Address: MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 2 02:37:24 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wmweather alternative? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D154@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I just use gkrellm. It has a weather plugin, and all sorts of other goodies. Themes too. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:39 PM > To: TC-LUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wmweather alternative? > > > On Mon, 2001-11-26 at 13:57, Lorry wrote: > > Right now I have wmweather to tell me about the > temperature, etc. but I'm > > wondering if there is a similar app that has a "general > description" of the > > condition, e.g. instead of "Temp: 33 F, Dew: 32 F, Prs: > 29.95, Hum: 93%, > > Wnd: ENE 20" what I really want to know is "33 F and > snowing." Well, the wind > > speed is nice too. :) Is there anything that will tell me > when it's snowing, > > raining, mostly cloudy and that sort of thing? It doesn't > have to have the > > cute little pictures of snowflakes and smiling sunshines > like they have on > > TV weather reports, just any indication. > > I know there is an app that displays temperature only (I > thought about getting > > that before since I don't know what to do with dewpoint and > pressure info > > anyway) but I'd really like the snowing/raining type info. > > I'm using Gnome Weather (gweather) 0.05, and it gives me the > temp plus a > small image showing current conditions. I can right-click to get a > detailed dialog box with a weather map, forecast, and more info on > current conditions. It docks into the Gnome panel, but I > don't know what > it would do in either Afterstep's or Window Maker's wharf. > > Dave > -- > Earth -- mother of the most beautiful women in the universe. > -- Apollo, "Who Mourns for Adonais?" stardate 3468.1 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Sun Dec 2 03:01:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EISA slots and linux In-Reply-To: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > Okay, so I've got this old server with EISA slots. I keep hearing that Linux > doesn't support EISA systems very well. Is this true, if so is there a > distro that has this figured out now? Never had a problem with EISA under Linux myself -- your best bet is just to try it. > If not, what other options do I have to use for an OS? > > It's a dual pentium system, 128 MB ram, 5 internal scsi drives (either 500MB > or 1GB each), as well as two external scsi drives, tape drive, cdrom. > There's no IDE drives in there currently. Cool, sounds like a fun toy. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 2 05:30:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] increasing audio rip performance Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D155@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I have a 32x cdrom drive, but it seems I can only rip audio at about 4x or so with cdparanoia and about 10x with cdda2wav. The CPU is about 30% while ripping. How would I increase the speed? I read something about adjusting the /proc/sys/kernel/sg-big-buff, but isn't that only for SCSI drives, or will it also work for SCSI emulation? Here's some of my current settings on the drive obtained from hdparm: /dev/hdb: Model=12X8X32, FwRev=9.EB, SerialNo= Config={ Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic } RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=0 (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 DMA modes: sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 AdvancedPM=no /dev/hdb: I/O support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) Jay From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 2 05:41:18 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AEDA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AEDA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20011126170434.0efde132.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Miller, John" wrote: > > My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and > runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the > corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. > When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, and > straighten the corners using the monitor menu. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this. If you have a modern monitor with digital controls, that shouldn't happen. I suppose the memory might have gotten `zapped' somehow. Most monitors these days can remember settings for a few different resolutions. That sort of annoying behavior is entirely expected on old monitors that only have analog controls. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Ship it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would get the O'Reilly Sendmail 'Bat' Book if you want to use Sendmail effectively. >From my understanding Procmail is utilized by Sendmail for POP, so maybe I >am asking the wrong question. I simply need to create 70-80 user mailboxes. Sendmail is an MTA (Message Transfer Agent) which means it transfers outbound messages to other internet mail servers and it accepts inbound messages for local users. It uses local delivery agents (like Procmail) to put incoming email in local users mail storage boxes (it can do it self, but it is limited). It does not provide access (via POP3 or IMAP4 network protocols) to those mail storage boxes. RH71 should have both POP and IMAP servers available for installation, and if you have installed them, you can probably enable them with 'chkconfig'. How secure the default mail server options are, I do not know. >Secondly, what programs can I use to for IMAP capabilities, and access to >mailboxes via www. WWW options are available, I don't remember what they are, but they have been discussed in the semi-recent past (summer?). Look through the TCLUG archives. Good luck, Troy From rsinland at gvtel.com Sun Dec 2 08:19:39 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xine install question (ignore) References: <200112010908.fB1981u10465@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <200112011958.fB1JwRu20625@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <20011201153844.A26853@beaver.iucha.org> <200112012250.fB1Mo1u27527@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3C0A2B80.1010803@gvtel.com> Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: >>Hmm... run ./configure --help and you'll see what options you are. >> >>Next you have to know if you are using OSS, Alsa, esound... >> >> > Figured it out...watching the program run in the console found: "...sound > module in use or busy". I restarted xine and now it works. Maybe playing > around caused it to start mutliple instances? My d4d plugin works quite > well, although when trying to access the d4d tab in the RMF window it will > cause a segfault in xine. > > Again, thanks for your help. > _______________________________________________ > testing and checking a posting problem From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Sun Dec 2 11:27:09 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS In-Reply-To: <1007251715.1451.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: It is, output from ps axu |grep portmap: bin 318 0.0 0.7 1216 108 ? S Nov19 0:01 portmap Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens |Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:08 PM |To: tclug |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIS | | |On Sat, 2001-12-01 at 14:14, James Spinti wrote: | |Make sure the portmap daemon is running. | | From mike at getbent.net Sun Dec 2 11:37:41 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk Message-ID: <01120211211903.00531@Dingo> Hope everyone is having a good day? Anyway I have a client with an artdpartmen teaming with macs. The owners wanted to give Microsoft the shaft and use a linux backed. Which I was more than happy to let them try. Netatalk however is giving me some problems. I am using generic config files with a line added to give them full access to a data repository. The problems are numerous and I don't know if they are releated or if there is anything I can do about it. They have several issues with file names. Some of the naming conventions hae bullets, parenthesis. tildes, and other bizzare characters that don't seem to make things happy. Often they can't open files from a mac as it gives a corruption error. They also have problems with Photoshop and quark. The might be able to open a document but can't close it, save it, or what ever. I am curious if anyone else out there is attempting to use linux as a fileserver and what you might have done to get around some of these issues. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sun Dec 2 13:26:02 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users Message-ID: <200112021812.fB2ICDu08542@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I have reviewed the bug list at OpenOffice.org, and some users (like myself) cannot get the setup file to execute properly on OO638c or SO6 beta. From: $ ./setup it returns with this response: $ glibc 2.2.4 and ends. I currently run Mandrake 8.1, KDE 2.2.2, glibc 2.2.4, XFree 4.1.0 with nvidia card and drivers. I'm wondering if anyone has successfully installed either office package with a similar setup. TIA... From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sun Dec 2 13:33:10 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding partitions? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So I messed up though I haven't decided exactly how yet. The net solution I need is to find the start/end of an NTFS5 partition, then a ext2 partition. Do you folks know of any strings I can search for that indicate whether I've found the right place or not? Any automated tools would be nice since it's darn timeconsuming otherwise. Here's the scoop: Win2K was initially installed at CHS 244,0,0 to ?,?,?. I had a swap partition immediately following the NTFS partition with an ext2 partition following that. The swap partition was around 117MB ish and the ext2 partition was around 5/6GB ish. Here's where I probably screwed up. I installed OpenBSD to 0,0,1 to 243,0,63. I probably should have started it at 1,0,1 instead. Then I messed up further (though in retrospect, this probably didn't do anything except screw up OpenBSD since I had probably already messed up the partition table and bootleader) and ran a W98 'fdisk /mbr'. So. Any ideas on how to get this stuff back? Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CnyafexLsowstzcRAmsMAKDyaTP1HALyKbK2jT0yiZJczyH3OgCgyleO CUebgzQ9O5NjvdBMrr6DnoM= =2kc6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esper at sherohman.org Sun Dec 2 15:32:01 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding partitions? In-Reply-To: ; from josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 01:10:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011202134152.A18625@sherohman.org> On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 01:10:15PM -0600, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > So I messed up though I haven't decided exactly how yet. The net solution > I need is to find the start/end of an NTFS5 partition, then a ext2 > partition. Do you folks know of any strings I can search for that indicate > whether I've found the right place or not? Any automated tools would be > nice since it's darn timeconsuming otherwise. gpart - Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions That's from Debian's package list, but I'm sure you could find it on freshmeat or sourceforge if you're not a debianite. Description: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged, incorrect or deleted. . It is also good at finding and listing the types, locations, and sizes of inadvertently-deleted partitions, both primary and logical. It gives you the information you need to manually re-create them (using fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, etc.). . The guessed table can also be written to a file or (if you firmly believe the guessed table is entirely correct) directly to a disk device. . Supported (guessable) filesystem or partition types: . * BeOS filesystem type. * FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD disklabel sub-partitioning scheme used on Intel platforms. * Linux second extended filesystem. * MS-DOS FAT12/16/32 "filesystems". * IBM OS/2 High Performance filesystem. * Linux LVM physical volumes (LVM by Heinz Mauelshagen). * Linux swap partitions (versions 0 and 1). * The Minix operating system filesystem type. * MS Windows NT/2000 filesystem. * QNX 4.x filesystem. * The Reiser filesystem (version 3.5.X, X > 11). * Sun Solaris on Intel platforms uses a sub-partitioning scheme on PC hard disks similar to the BSD disklabels. * Silicon Graphic's journalling filesystem for Linux. . Other types may be added relatively easily, as separately compiled modules. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 2 15:36:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk In-Reply-To: <01120211211903.00531@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:21:19AM -0600 References: <01120211211903.00531@Dingo> Message-ID: <20011202143059.Q8813@real-time.com> > I am curious if anyone else out there is attempting to use linux as a > fileserver and what you might have done to get around some of these issues. we had a client with a bunch of Macs, and a linux fileserver. We ended up having them buy DAVE, which lets macs talk to an SMB server. it was an ugly way to do it, but it works. DAVE is kind of pricey, tho.. about $100/seat. I've heard something about some free software from MS that comes with NT Server, that may do the same thing, but since I never really touch NT, I don't know anything about it. Any hope of them switching to OSX anytime soon, and using real NFS? the file naming garbage that macs let you get away with seems even worse than what Windows will let you do... I say we ought to hang a few marketing people as an example to those who allow their programs to write abominable things like punctuation marks in filenames. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 2 17:27:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0F9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't think they are one size fits all. I had several different 3com cards with seemingly the same dongle, but if I switched them around, they didn't work. > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards > > > I may be in need of one, are the "one size fits all"? and how much are > they? > > -munir > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Anyone else in need of one? Last time I found one it cost > as much to ship the > > damn thing as it did to buy it. So if you need one, speak > up. Maybe we can > > work out a "bulk" order or something. > > > > If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable > shipping, speak up > > as well. :) > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 3 02:16:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] increasing audio rip performance In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D155@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 02:38:46AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D155@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011202175610.Q18317@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > I have a 32x cdrom drive, but it seems I can only rip audio at about 4x or > so with cdparanoia and about 10x with cdda2wav. The CPU is about 30% while > ripping. How would I increase the speed? I read something about adjusting > the /proc/sys/kernel/sg-big-buff, but isn't that only for SCSI drives, or > will it also work for SCSI emulation? What is the command line options that you use? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From doughanson at mediaone.net Mon Dec 3 02:19:43 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0F9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <001801c17b98$fdfdd200$0400a8c0@mshome.net> Try MPC in Eagan for used stuff like this. It is usually pretty cheap ($5-10 or less)!!! http://www.materialsprocessing.com/sspage.htm Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards > I don't think they are one size fits all. I had several different 3com > cards with seemingly the same dongle, but if I switched them around, they > didn't work. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards > > > > > > I may be in need of one, are the "one size fits all"? and how much are > > they? > > > > -munir > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > > > Anyone else in need of one? Last time I found one it cost > > as much to ship the > > > damn thing as it did to buy it. So if you need one, speak > > up. Maybe we can > > > work out a "bulk" order or something. > > > > > > If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable > > shipping, speak up > > > as well. :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at sirgo.net Mon Dec 3 02:21:48 2001 From: mkroska at sirgo.net (Mark Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk In-Reply-To: <01120211211903.00531@Dingo> Message-ID: I also have had numerous problems integrating a Linux server into a Mac client network. The naming convention didn't seem to be an issue, and the clients had every possible "Bad Combination" possible (/ in a name, *'s in a name, bullets, commas, question marks, etc), with no apparent issues. The problems you are explaining with Quark and Photoshop are identicle to the ones I found. It seems that those 2 apps keep a secret, hidden "version" file that won't let them "save" or "save as" with the same name. The only work-around was to "save as" with a slightly different file name. In my opinion, this is not an acceptable solution. I've found numerous other resources that point to this being an issue and no real solution available. I did a server move, to a different platform. It solved the problem of those apps saving, but now a new one cropped up. They have a RAID array, level 5, 400Gb. Files from Photoshop will simply disappear. (their words) At first I thought they were crazy, until I saw it for myself. As it turned out, the files actually WERE on the server, but the Finder on the mac corrupted the index file on the server and the files were not visible. I found some help documenting my experience with others on the net, but no solution has been found here either. Large volumes + Mac clients = problems. Does anyone know a contact for a newspaper or another source where large volumes may be in use and could offer assistance? My $.02. MK On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > Hope everyone is having a good day? > > Anyway I have a client with an artdpartmen teaming with macs. The owners > wanted to give Microsoft the shaft and use a linux backed. Which I was more > than happy to let them try. > > Netatalk however is giving me some problems. I am using generic config files > with a line added to give them full access to a data repository. > > The problems are numerous and I don't know if they are releated or if there > is anything I can do about it. > > They have several issues with file names. Some of the naming conventions hae > bullets, parenthesis. tildes, and other bizzare characters that don't seem to > make things happy. Often they can't open files from a mac as it gives a > corruption error. > > > They also have problems with Photoshop and quark. The might be able to open a > document but can't close it, save it, or what ever. > > I am curious if anyone else out there is attempting to use linux as a > fileserver and what you might have done to get around some of these issues. > > > > -- ___________________________________________________________ Sirgo, Inc. A member of the KDV Business Solutions Network ___________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@sirgo.net ___________________________________________________________ From eng at pinenet.com Mon Dec 3 02:24:03 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users Message-ID: <01C17B69.59EBE960.eng@pinenet.com> I could not get SO6 beta to install either (on SuSE 7.0). Since Star Office 6.0 beta will screw up an existing SO5.2 install and stops working (I believe) in March anyway, it just didn't seem worth the hassle. If there are success stories I would love to hear them. -----Original Message----- From: Rodd Ahrenstorff [SMTP:rahrenstorff@mediaone.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:12 PM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users << File: ATT00040.txt; charset = iso-8859-15 >> From mike at getbent.net Mon Dec 3 02:28:08 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba and files with Japanese Characters Message-ID: <01120221072907.00531@Dingo> Has anyone ever had problems allowing windows files with japanese characters to be saved in a standard US samba share? Hopefully allI have to do is compile in the japanese code page but I wanted to ask if it was more, interesting or complicated than that? Anyone run accross this problem? As it stands right now the user in question can't save a file as it comes over as a slew of control characters. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Mon Dec 3 02:30:31 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (simeonuj) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk References: <01120211211903.00531@Dingo> Message-ID: <007601c17bb3$29a92d40$0500000a@ME> > Anyway I have a client with an artdpartmen teaming with macs. The owners > wanted to give Microsoft the shaft and use a linux backed. Which I was more > than happy to let them try. > > They have several issues with file names. Some of the naming conventions hae > bullets, parenthesis. tildes, and other bizzare characters that don't seem to > make things happy. Often they can't open files from a mac as it gives a > corruption error. Sounds about right. I'm getting into this kinda thing too but haven't done any real testing yet. If you figure something out let us know. :-) > They also have problems with Photoshop and quark. The might be able to open a > document but can't close it, save it, or what ever. We have this problem too. It was because the server was reporting the wrong amount of free space ( it would jump from several terebytes to a few k when trying to save a file. The actually size was about 18GB. The fix was to save locally and then copy it over. We think it's because were trying to use an alpha but haven't been able to test it with an x86. We also have an Origin 200 that is running some version of atalkd/netatalk. Don't know what version it is though. It's never given us trouble. > > I am curious if anyone else out there is attempting to use linux as a > fileserver and what you might have done to get around some of these issues. They should probably come up w/ a better naming convention for there files. It's a good idea anyway since a lot of those characters probably wouldn't work on a win server either. sim From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Dec 3 02:32:50 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011129161721.3B5BB4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <20011130133758.ED48A28E56@thursday.freeze.com> Message-ID: <00c401c17bb5$89579540$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Why is storing the mail on the server an undesirable trait? Can you set up your own system with IMAP running? Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, which at the > moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic functionality by having > several POP accounts. > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, setup imaps. > > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other servers. Use procmail to > > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail clients to > > use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you could use any imap > > client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I perfer just using > > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not worry about losing > > mail. :) > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 3 03:19:37 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] razor anti-spam tools Message-ID: <20011203023259.D13105@real-time.com> If anyone is interested I have made razor and razor-sdk into src.rpms. I have sent them to the author so he could including them into his sourceforge project, but if anyone else wants them asap I got them here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=18083&release_id=63928 More details on razor? Here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/razor/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 3 03:22:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8 out of 10 SF Top Ten Downloads Message-ID: <20011203023939.F13105@real-time.com> Anyone notice that 8 of 10 Top Downloads on SourceForge are Win32 only projects? All 10 project offer Win32 versions? Somehow it seems ironic. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Mon Dec 3 07:34:51 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <00c401c17bb5$89579540$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <20011130133758.ED48A28E56@thursday.freeze.com> <00c401c17bb5$89579540$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any longer than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a dynamic IP and cannot run my own. I have other biases also. The main question was is there a console based mail client that can read the same local format as Kmail. It sounds like mutt will, so I will give that a try. Jay On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:39 pm, you wrote: > Why is storing the mail on the server an undesirable trait? Can you set up > your own system with IMAP running? > > Joseph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Kline" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, which at > > the > > > moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic functionality by > > having > > > several POP accounts. > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > > > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, setup > > imaps. > > > > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other servers. Use > > > procmail > > to > > > > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail clients > > > to use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > > > > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you could use any imap > > > client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I perfer just > > using > > > > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not worry about losing > > > mail. :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: What do you call the money you pay to the government when you ride into the country on the back of an elephant? A: A howdah duty. From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Mon Dec 3 09:10:12 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CERT warning on WU-FTP Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378139@DDMAIL> Anyone familiar with this vulnerability? Are the patches finally ready? Do I even need to worry? From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Mon Dec 3 09:11:54 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8 out of 10 SF Top Ten Downloads References: <20011203023939.F13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000501c17c02$d215afe0$1e02a8c0@zippy> SourceForge top ten for this week: http://sourceforge.net/top/mostactive.php?type=week None of them play to Linux strong points. If they are "commodity" type projects then the largest user base will be on the system with the largest user base. Ask any MAC developer to explain the financial realities. At this time Linux is reduced to playing catch-up to windoze. At the risk of starting a nuclear flame war, IMHO most of the Linux development time is just making windoze stuff available on Linux for free. If the only thing Linux has to offer is price then we have a major problem. Why? For a majority of user (think of Joe-six-pack or your mom) windoze "come for free" on the system. They don't understand how Bill gets his cash. Unless (Until?) there is a "Must Have" Linux only "killer app" Linux will remain a hobby system on the desktop. A very cool hobby system, well tailored to my needs, but a hobby system. Times change. Microsoft can see the writing on the wall. The reason MS flipped out at netscape and Instant Messaging is that with fat pipes and thin clients you don't need an OS or local processing. Look at Bills current focus, the x-box and data tablets. The world is becoming net-centric. By failing to come to grips with the evolution of the desktop we (the Linux community) are at great risk of being irrelevant. As I see it, we are coming to a "play at the plate" situation. This is the .net ploy: A thin client with a requirement for MS at the client end. Micro$oft is trying to make a MS only version of the LAMP delivery platform. See: http://www.onlamp.com/ For the commercial environment, this is a primo delivery platform. The high performance server, serving apps to a browser based thin client. Some questions: What are Linux strong points? What can Linux do that XP can't? Are these relevant to Joe-six-pack or your mom? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:39 AM Subject: [TCLUG] 8 out of 10 SF Top Ten Downloads Anyone notice that 8 of 10 Top Downloads on SourceForge are Win32 only projects? All 10 project offer Win32 versions? Somehow it seems ironic. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Mon Dec 3 09:13:02 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users In-Reply-To: <01C17B69.59EBE960.eng@pinenet.com> References: <01C17B69.59EBE960.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20011203.14053500@gromit.> I'm running both 5.2 and 6.0 beta on my Solaris8/Ultra5 box. They don't conflict with each other; I don't think they're even 'aware' of each other. I use the 5.2 mail client which generally loads MS documents more quickly than KMail and SO6, but SO6 does a better job of reproducing the MS documents properly. Petre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/2/01, 7:41:20 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote regarding RE: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users: > I could not get SO6 beta to install either (on SuSE 7.0). Since Star Office > 6.0 beta will screw up an existing SO5.2 install and stops working (I > believe) in March anyway, it just didn't seem worth the hassle. If there > are success stories I would love to hear them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodd Ahrenstorff [SMTP:rahrenstorff@mediaone.net] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:12 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users > << File: ATT00040.txt; charset = iso-8859-15 >> > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Mon Dec 3 09:14:25 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011203.14092800@gromit.> FWIW, Macs used to have this same problem with Netware 3.x servers years ago; the manuals even had a chapter on how to rebuild the index when it inevitably got trashed. Macs in a peer-to-peer arrangement, where it's all native, local file systems, seems to work, but Macs and servers always seems to have problems from time to time. Petre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/2/01, 7:36:00 PM, Mark Kroska wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk: > I also have had numerous problems integrating a Linux server into a Mac > client network. The naming convention didn't seem to be an issue, and > the clients had every possible "Bad Combination" possible (/ in a name, > *'s in a name, bullets, commas, question marks, etc), with no apparent > issues. > The problems you are explaining with Quark and Photoshop are identicle to > the ones I found. It seems that those 2 apps keep a secret, hidden > "version" file that won't let them "save" or "save as" with the same name. > The only work-around was to "save as" with a slightly different file name. > In my opinion, this is not an acceptable solution. I've found numerous > other resources that point to this being an issue and no real solution > available. > I did a server move, to a different platform. It solved the problem of > those apps saving, but now a new one cropped up. They have a RAID array, > level 5, 400Gb. Files from Photoshop will simply disappear. (their words) > At first I thought they were crazy, until I saw it for myself. As it > turned out, the files actually WERE on the server, but the Finder on the > mac corrupted the index file on the server and the files were not visible. > I found some help documenting my experience with others on the net, but no > solution has been found here either. Large volumes + Mac clients = > problems. Does anyone know a contact for a newspaper or another source > where large volumes may be in use and could offer assistance? > My $.02. > MK > On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > > > Hope everyone is having a good day? > > > > Anyway I have a client with an artdpartmen teaming with macs. The owners > > wanted to give Microsoft the shaft and use a linux backed. Which I was more > > than happy to let them try. > > > > Netatalk however is giving me some problems. I am using generic config files > > with a line added to give them full access to a data repository. > > > > The problems are numerous and I don't know if they are releated or if there > > is anything I can do about it. > > > > They have several issues with file names. Some of the naming conventions hae > > bullets, parenthesis. tildes, and other bizzare characters that don't seem to > > make things happy. Often they can't open files from a mac as it gives a > > corruption error. > > > > > > They also have problems with Photoshop and quark. The might be able to open a > > document but can't close it, save it, or what ever. > > > > I am curious if anyone else out there is attempting to use linux as a > > fileserver and what you might have done to get around some of these issues. > > > > > > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sirgo, Inc. A member of the KDV Business Solutions Network > ___________________________________________________________ > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@sirgo.net > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Mon Dec 3 09:17:40 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users In-Reply-To: <01C17B69.59EBE960.eng@pinenet.com> References: <01C17B69.59EBE960.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <200112031452.fB3Eqku03255@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Well I have OpenOffice 638 working fine of my box, but 638c,641b, and SO6b would not run. You might want to try 638. I find it to be very stable. Or just wait til SO6 reaches release. On Sunday 02 December 2001 07:41 pm, you wrote: > I could not get SO6 beta to install either (on SuSE 7.0). Since Star Office > 6.0 beta will screw up an existing SO5.2 install and stops working (I > believe) in March anyway, it just didn't seem worth the hassle. If there > are success stories I would love to hear them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodd Ahrenstorff [SMTP:rahrenstorff@mediaone.net] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:12 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Question to: OO638c or SO6 beta users > > << File: ATT00040.txt; charset = iso-8859-15 >> > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 3 10:25:19 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <20011130133758.ED48A28E56@thursday.freeze.com> <00c401c17bb5$89579540$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> Message-ID: <1007392235.11076.2.camel@titanium> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 06:59, Jay Kline wrote: > For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any longer > than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( Then those people don't need access to the server. You could chroot those users, and restrict them with a menu interface if they absolutely need shell like access. > > I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a dynamic IP > and cannot run my own. > > I have other biases also. > > The main question was is there a console based mail client that can read the > same local format as Kmail. It sounds like mutt will, so I will give that a > try. > > Jay > > On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:39 pm, you wrote: > > Why is storing the mail on the server an undesirable trait? Can you set up > > your own system with IMAP running? > > > > Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jay Kline" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, which at > > > > the > > > > > moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic functionality by > > > > having > > > > > several POP accounts. > > > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > > > > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, setup > > > > imaps. > > > > > > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other servers. Use > > > > procmail > > > > to > > > > > > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail clients > > > > to use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > > > > > > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you could use any imap > > > > client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I perfer just > > > > using > > > > > > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not worry about losing > > > > mail. :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > Q: What do you call the money you pay to the government when > you ride into the country on the back of an elephant? > A: A howdah duty. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011203/85af08e4/attachment.pgp From tl at assimilated.org Mon Dec 3 10:28:07 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8 out of 10 SF Top Ten Downloads In-Reply-To: <20011203023939.F13105@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:39:39AM -0600 References: <20011203023939.F13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011203092945.A1928@assimilated.org> On Dec 03 at 02:39AM Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone notice that 8 of 10 Top Downloads on SourceForge are Win32 > only projects? > All 10 project offer Win32 versions? > Somehow it seems ironic. Keeping in mind of course that the most downloaded project is back orifice 2000, perhaps all of the win32 projects are actually covert attempts so sabotage win32? -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Mon Dec 3 10:30:27 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port problem Message-ID: I have a dmz setup on my firewall and want to make a pin-hole so I can run xdm off of my linux box, does anyone know what port xdm is using? I have a linux firewall book and it says that X Display Login Manager uses port 177 on upd, and X11 runs on 6000+n using tcp, but I have no idea what 6000+n means.... Thanks Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org From jima at gimp.damnation.net Mon Dec 3 10:32:45 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CERT warning on WU-FTP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011203093049.00a87650@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: At 07:32 AM 12/3/01 -0600, Mary Ayala wrote: > Anyone familiar with this vulnerability? Are the patches finally ready? Do > I even need to worry? 1: I know enough about it to come to my conclusions. 2: RedHat has since released some updated RPMs for wu-ftpd. I would guess that these are patched against the most recent bugs. (If RedHat finally got around to it, I'd guess everyone else has, too. ;) 3: Yes, I'd worry. Two of my machines got rooted last year due to wu-ftpd's poor track record for remote root exploits. When I heard about this one, I was running a copy (of last year's patch) on one of my servers, rather secured by tcpwrappers. I shut it down then and there. I hereby refuse to run this daemon. I don't especially need an FTP server. There isn't much that can't be done with HTTP (network installs) or SCP (general file transfer). If I need an FTP daemon, I'll start using something more secure, like proftpd. Yeah, maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion. Once bitten, twice shy, I guess. Jima From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Dec 3 10:34:41 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk Message-ID: It's been a while- I used to do contract work with a Mac shop, and they had some nice print house stuff, but the primary reason it worked was a piece of software called Xinet. This is a Mac file sharing software that makes mountable Mac volumes on the Unix box and allows the files to be browseable by unix as well. It would also allow your server to act as a seed router for the Macs. They're at: www.xinet.com, I don't know if they have a linux port, but I know that it just works. There is another, called Helios, I had heard they were going out of business, but I'm not sure. Now these are both proprietary, pay-for progs, not cheap, so it depends on what your client wants to get done. IF they have time adn patience to see if there is a free, working solution, then they may be rewarded in the end, but if they want it up now and running, I'd suggest the previously mentioned software pieces. This is what the big print houses run on, and they do so because it is where they make their money. It's termed as OPI (Open Prepress Interface), something about workflow and such gets thrown in, but basically, it's a file server that allows for free transfer of files between areas in a print shop from Macs to press. I have a friend that is really crazy on Macs and networking them, he may have some more ideas on how to get your stuff to work, and with Macs there are parts that are strange, for instance, the resource fork and data fork of a file. These are held by the Xinet program in a directory, one resource fork for each data file, both being put together on the Mac to make a complete file, just straight file serving in that case doesn't quite cover the bases. There are quirks to Macs, but the printers love them, and from what I can tell, the printers in town are going to stck to the original Mac OS until all of their tools are native on OSX, besides, they have to re-train somewhat for OSX regardless, and no one wants to spend the time and money on that right now. I think they'll be better off on OSX, but I just don't think I could convince the MacHeads I know of that one quite yet. Thanks, mbutler From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 11:42:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] increasing audio rip performance Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D15F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I usually use grip, which handles it automatically. But I've tried command line and get the same results. I use the bare minimum for options: cdparanoia "11-12" test.wav cdda2wav -t 12 test.wav My POS 24x in my windows box at work actually gets about 24x. Of course, it's not using paranoia, probably just some basic implementation of cdda2wav. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:56 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] increasing audio rip performance > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > I have a 32x cdrom drive, but it seems I can only rip audio > at about > > 4x or so with cdparanoia and about 10x with cdda2wav. The CPU is > > about 30% while ripping. How would I increase the speed? I read > > something about adjusting the /proc/sys/kernel/sg-big-buff, > but isn't > > that only for SCSI drives, or will it also work for SCSI emulation? > > What is the command line options that you use? > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 11:44:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:11 AM > To: tclug > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 06:59, Jay Kline wrote: > > For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any > > longer > > than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( > > Then those people don't need access to the server. You could > chroot those users, and restrict them with a menu interface > if they absolutely need shell like access. > > > > > I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a > > dynamic IP > > and cannot run my own. > > > > I have other biases also. > > > > The main question was is there a console based mail client that can > > read the > > same local format as Kmail. It sounds like mutt will, so I > will give that a > > try. > > > > Jay > > > > On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:39 pm, you wrote: > > > Why is storing the mail on the server an undesirable > trait? Can you > > > set up your own system with IMAP running? > > > > > > Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jay Kline" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > > > The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, > > > > which at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic > > > > functionality by > > > > > > having > > > > > > > several POP accounts. > > > > > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > > > > > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, > > > > > setup > > > > > > imaps. > > > > > > > > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other > servers. Use > > > > > procmail > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail > > > > > clients to use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > > > > > > > > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you > could use any > > > > > imap client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I > > > > > perfer just > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not > worry about > > > > > losing mail. :) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > > Minnesota > > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > list@slushpupie.com > > http://www.slushpupie.com > > -- > > Q: What do you call the money you pay to the government when > > you ride into the country on the back of an elephant? > > A: A howdah duty. > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 11:46:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port problem Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D161@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> It's actually a whole bunch of ports that you would need to open. Getting X to work through a firewall is a nightmare. Use ssh with X forwarding instead, or set up some sort of VPN server, and VPN in to query xdm. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] port problem > > > I have a dmz setup on my firewall and want to make a pin-hole > so I can run xdm off of my linux box, does anyone know what > port xdm is using? I have a linux firewall book and it says > that X Display Login Manager uses port 177 on upd, and X11 > runs on 6000+n using tcp, but I have no idea what 6000+n means.... > > Thanks > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Mon Dec 3 11:47:53 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port problem In-Reply-To: from "Rodney Ray" at Dec 03, 2001 09:33:17 AM Message-ID: <200112031648.fB3Gme518890@zjod.net> Port 177. Rodney Ray wrote: > > I have a dmz setup on my firewall and want to make a pin-hole so I can run xdm off of my linux box, does anyone know what port xdm is using? I have a linux firewall book and it says that X Display Login Manager uses port 177 on upd, and X11 runs on 6000+n using tcp, but I have no idea what 6000+n means.... > > Thanks > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 13:02:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port problem Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D162@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Also, if you use ssh with the -C flag, it will enable compression, and make remote display faster over slow connections. The X protocol was designed for local LANs, not high latency low bandwidth internet connections. > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] port problem > > > It's actually a whole bunch of ports that you would need to > open. Getting X to work through a firewall is a nightmare. > Use ssh with X forwarding instead, or set up some sort of VPN > server, and VPN in to query xdm. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:33 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] port problem > > > > > > I have a dmz setup on my firewall and want to make a pin-hole > > so I can run xdm off of my linux box, does anyone know what > > port xdm is using? I have a linux firewall book and it says > > that X Display Login Manager uses port 177 on upd, and X11 > > runs on 6000+n using tcp, but I have no idea what 6000+n means.... > > > > Thanks > > > > Rodney Ray > > Children's Hospital and Clinics > > Data Warehouse Developer > > 651-855-2560 > > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Mon Dec 3 13:04:32 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com> > Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. > This is exactly what I am worried about. I realize that things can be done to avoid having them read my email, (encryption, etc) but those are all very inconveient for all my friends and family using hotmail. Also, when my Discover Card statement is emailed, I cannot have them encrypt that. So, I figured the best way is to not have the mail on the server if at all possible. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 13:06:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D163@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What about Darwin? If you need to run on existing x86 hardware, then you might wanna take a look at it. It's the open source version of Mac OSX that runs on x86. I don't have a URL handy, but I would assume that it supports appletalk stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: mbutler2@mmm.com [mailto:mbutler2@mmm.com] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:55 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fun with Netatalk > > > > It's been a while- > > > I used to do contract work with a Mac shop, and they had > some nice print house stuff, but the primary reason it worked > was a piece of software called Xinet. This is a Mac file > sharing software that makes mountable Mac volumes on the Unix > box and allows the files to be browseable by unix as well. > It would also allow your server to act as a seed router for > the Macs. They're at: www.xinet.com, I don't know if they > have a linux port, but I know that it just works. > There is another, called Helios, I had heard they were > going out of business, but I'm not sure. Now these are both > proprietary, pay-for progs, not cheap, so it depends on what > your client wants to get done. IF they have time adn > patience to see if there is a free, working solution, then > they may be rewarded in the end, but if they want it up now > and running, I'd suggest the previously mentioned software > pieces. This is what the big print houses run on, and they > do so because it is where they make their money. It's termed > as OPI (Open Prepress Interface), something about workflow > and such gets thrown in, but basically, it's a file server > that allows for free transfer of files between areas in a > print shop from Macs to press. > I have a friend that is really crazy on Macs and > networking them, he may have some more ideas on how to get > your stuff to work, and with Macs there are parts that are > strange, for instance, the resource fork and data fork of a > file. These are held by the Xinet program in a directory, > one resource fork for each data file, both being put together > on the Mac to make a complete file, just straight file > serving in that case doesn't quite cover the bases. There > are quirks to Macs, but the printers love them, and from what > I can tell, the printers in town are going to stck to the > original Mac OS until all of their tools are native on OSX, > besides, they have to re-train somewhat for OSX regardless, > and no one wants to spend the time and money on that right > now. I think they'll be better off on OSX, but I just don't > think I could convince the MacHeads I know of that one quite yet. > > > > > Thanks, > > > mbutler > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 3 13:10:46 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1007403239.12487.0.camel@titanium> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 10:40, Austad, Jay wrote: > Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. Personally I find that sort of behavior unethical. I think if I every caught someone working with/for me as an admin searching through our customers (read:users) email or data and they didn't have a valid reason, it would be grounds for dismissal. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:11 AM > > To: tclug > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > > On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 06:59, Jay Kline wrote: > > > For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any > > > longer > > > than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( > > > > Then those people don't need access to the server. You could > > chroot those users, and restrict them with a menu interface > > if they absolutely need shell like access. > > > > > > > > I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a > > > dynamic IP > > > and cannot run my own. > > > > > > I have other biases also. > > > > > > The main question was is there a console based mail client that can > > > read the > > > same local format as Kmail. It sounds like mutt will, so I > > will give that a > > > try. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:39 pm, you wrote: > > > > Why is storing the mail on the server an undesirable > > trait? Can you > > > > set up your own system with IMAP running? > > > > > > > > Joseph > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jay Kline" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > > > > > The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, > > > > > which at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic > > > > > functionality by > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > several POP accounts. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > > > > > > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, > > > > > > setup > > > > > > > > imaps. > > > > > > > > > > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other > > servers. Use > > > > > > procmail > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail > > > > > > clients to use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > > > > > > > > > > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you > > could use any > > > > > > imap client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I > > > > > > perfer just > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not > > worry about > > > > > > losing mail. :) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > > > > Minnesota > > > > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > > > Jay Kline > > > list@slushpupie.com > > > http://www.slushpupie.com > > > -- > > > Q: What do you call the money you pay to the government when > > > you ride into the country on the back of an elephant? > > > A: A howdah duty. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > Sistina Software Inc. > > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011203/d33225eb/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 3 13:12:41 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CERT warning on WU-FTP In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378139@DDMAIL> References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378139@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011203184121.GE9177@wookimus.net> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 07:32:38AM -0600, Mary Ayala wrote: > Anyone familiar with this vulnerability? Are the patches finally > ready? Do I even need to worry? Yes, you should worry. It's a root exploit under special circumstances: 1. You compiled wu-ftpd with debugging support (for gdb) CFLAGS=-g 1.1. You are running an old version of 2.6.0 or 2.6.1 1.2. You are running Red Hat's incorrectly versioned 2.7.0 prerelease as 2.6.1-xx Note, you must have compiled it with gdb support, or loaded an rpm/package as such. Quick fix: bash# strip /usr/bin/wu-ftpd This strips the gdb symbols out of the binary. Other things to do would include disabling anonymous ftp access until you get the patch. Check the wu-ftpd site for raw patches, or consult your favorite distro for the latest packages. Note, Debian backports bugfixes and exploits to the stable branch, potato. They very rarely upgrade to a new version of the software, which will often introduce more bugs than that which is being fixed. Debian's 2.6.1 in woody is NOT vulnerable. The old 2.6.0 in potato was. Make sure you include the security updates in your sources.list. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011203/f3fc1d9f/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 3 13:13:53 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] razor anti-spam tools In-Reply-To: <20011203023259.D13105@real-time.com> References: <20011203023259.D13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011203184250.GF9177@wookimus.net> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:32:59AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > If anyone is interested I have made razor and razor-sdk into src.rpms. > I have sent them to the author so he could including them into his > sourceforge project, but if anyone else wants them asap I got them > here: IMHO, junkfilter for procmail works just fine. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other hand, it isn't (choose your sarcastic remark about windows) Note: been fighting with this one for a couple days now and not winning...Have done most of it trying to install from tarballs D/T being used to slackware..:) (a few years back) RS From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 13:46:46 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011127100037.A23266@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:50:43PM -0600, Lorry wrote: > When I reply to an email, I want my address to show as whatever address the > person wrote to me under. I thought I had it set up to do this, but adding > my_hdr From ... seems to override it. Is there anyway to have it do this > and also have it just show my first name? Why doesn't set realname="Lorry" > work? I have multiple email addresses that forward to one place, and I want > to keep the replies consistent because when I don't, people think they have > to send messages to all my email addresses and I get emails 10 times over. Ok, as others have said, procmail can help you keep multiple email addresses straight, but it shouldn't be necessary to fix this problem. Here are the mutt settings that I think you'll have to play with. set alternates="(address1|address2|address3)" # Regexep # that tells mutt what your email addresses are. set realname="Lorry" # don't know why this wasn't working for you set reverse_name = yes # This should set your from address to # whatever address the email was sent to # for replies. set reverse_realname = no # This should make the realname set # above be used when the From address is # set by reverse_name. Setting this to # yes would leave whatever personal name # goes along with the reverse_name email # address. set from = default_address # The default address that you want # your email to be from (probably # your ISP address). send-hook "~t (friend1_address\\|friend2\\|friend3)" 'my_hdr From: address2' # Something like this will set every email that you send # always be from address2, even if your not replying. So I think those are the relevant config variables. Another thing to look out is that whatever From: address you set using my_hdr will over-ride the other settings. More info on all of this stuff is available in the mutt manual - probably available at /usr/share/doc/mutt/html/manual.html or at mutt.org. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 3 14:25:13 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EISA slots and linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120314045600.08090@bleys> On Monday 26 November 2001 16:47, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > > Okay, so I've got this old server with EISA slots. I keep hearing that > > Linux doesn't support EISA systems very well. Is this true, if so is > > there a distro that has this figured out now? > > Never had a problem with EISA under Linux myself -- your best bet is just > to try it. > > > If not, what other options do I have to use for an OS? > > > > It's a dual pentium system, 128 MB ram, 5 internal scsi drives (either > > 500MB or 1GB each), as well as two external scsi drives, tape drive, > > cdrom. There's no IDE drives in there currently. > > Cool, sounds like a fun toy. :) Actually, I'm planning on lugging this tank of a system to the Installfest. As well as my gateway/firewall machine if I can't get it loaded prior to then.... Shawn From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 3 14:26:42 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com> Message-ID: <1007407234.19350.0.camel@titanium> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 11:55, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. > > > > This is exactly what I am worried about. I realize that things can be done > to avoid having them read my email, (encryption, etc) but those are all very > inconveient for all my friends and family using hotmail. Also, when my > Discover Card statement is emailed, I cannot have them encrypt that. So, I > figured the best way is to not have the mail on the server if at all > possible. The mail still sits on that server untill you collect it. In fact, if he wanted to the admin could make copies of all your mail..... You should think about what you're saying here. Sounds to me like you need to setup your own mailserver and route all your mail to that.... > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hmm.. for my Discover statement, I just get an e-mail that says "Your statement is ready at ", and I have to go log in to their site to get the statement. I can't believe any CC company would be dumb enough to e-mail plain-text statements.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 3 14:29:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <1007403239.12487.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Personally I find that sort of behavior unethical. I think if I every > caught someone working with/for me as an admin searching through our > customers (read:users) email or data and they didn't have a valid > reason, it would be grounds for dismissal. Certainly. That's why we have to request permission from users to go into their mailboxes to delete that 20mb e-mail that's clogging up their 56k link, etc. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sextus at visi.com Mon Dec 3 14:31:22 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com>; from Jay Kline on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:55:01AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com> Message-ID: <20011203140845.A3506@visi.com> ON Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:55:01AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. > > > > This is exactly what I am worried about. I realize that things can be done > to avoid having them read my email, (encryption, etc) but those are all very > inconveient for all my friends and family using hotmail. Also, when my > Discover Card statement is emailed, I cannot have them encrypt that. So, I > figured the best way is to not have the mail on the server if at all > possible. That tactic will only discourage casual snooping. There's nothing stopping the smtpd from making copies of your mail as it is received. If somebody with root access and a modicum of skill wants to read your mail, they will. -- Michael From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 14:32:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone have a good solution for executing the same command to multiple boxes? I have a cluster of mailservers, and when I do things on one, I frequently need to do them across all of them. Ssh'ing into each box is too time consuming. Jay From veldy at veldy.net Mon Dec 3 14:45:13 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REALLY GOOD Guide for RPM or DPKG development? Message-ID: <00b301c1775e$c10eac40$3028680a@tgt.com> I am looking for a really good guide to develop packages for a homegrown system. I would like to build either RPM or DPKG (unless somebody can suggest something better). I would like a guide for writing scripts (a.k.a. SPEC file for RPM) to build binary packages. Everything I have found so far has not given very good advice about determining file lists (which files should we list and which should we ignore) and handling binary relocation (/usr ==> /usr/local). Any help would be great! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 14:46:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] review of Mandrake 8.1 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The duke of URL has a nice review of Mandrake 8.1 powerpack. Check it out: http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/mandrake81/ Jay From sextus at visi.com Mon Dec 3 15:33:43 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:18:18PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011203144544.A6838@visi.com> ON Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:18:18PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have a good solution for executing the same command to multiple > boxes? > > I have a cluster of mailservers, and when I do things on one, I frequently > need to do them across all of them. Ssh'ing into each box is too time > consuming. Sure, enable RSA authentication on each machine in the cluster and write a shell command wrapper. -- Michael From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 15:36:38 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D166@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I can't believe any CC company would be dumb enough to e-mail > plain-text statements.. I bought something from a store one time that bragged about how secure their order form was, SSL and all that stuff. So I place my order, feeling ok that my card number won't be transmitted plaintext over the net, and 5 minutes later I get an email receipt proudly displaying my entire card number right at the top. I called them and bitched about it, but the person I talked to didn't understand why it was such a big deal if no one else had access to my email account. Some people just shouldn't be allowed near computers. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 3 15:37:49 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syslog losing data? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D167@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm logging lots of stuff to a central syslog server running linux. I'm noticing that during heavy email volume, I end up missing some lines that should be in my /var/log/maillog. Has anyone ever seen syslog lose data before? Jay From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 15:38:57 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:18:18PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have a good solution for executing the same command to multiple > boxes? > > I have a cluster of mailservers, and when I do things on one, I frequently > need to do them across all of them. Ssh'ing into each box is too time > consuming. Write a script to ssh to multiple boxes. Here's a simple perl script to do it. I call it grun - to use it just type 'grun command_to_run_on_all_machines' #!/usr/local/bin/perl # run input command on all machines. @machine_list=("mach1", "mach2", "mach3"); # Will run commandline parameters as a command on each machine. # uname added to help separate output from different machines. $command= "uname -n; @ARGV"; foreach $machine (@machine_list) { print "ssh $machine $command &\n"; system "ssh $machine $command &"; } -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Dec 3 15:40:45 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up apache and ssl under Debian Message-ID: What packages, or from source? Easy to configure? >>> clay@fandre.com 11/27/01 09:25AM >>> >Otherwise I use IMAP/SSL. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Dec 3 15:47:22 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line Message-ID: Show us the recipe! Or the money, whatever... >>> fish@slava.net 11/27/01 09:37AM >>> This brings up another issue... I tried to configure procmail to send my mail into my folders. I don't have folders based on which email, but I do have lots of folders for various topics and mailing lists and so on. I wrote a recipe to test it out and had my friend send me an email that it should have affected. Nothing happened. I rebooted. Nothing happened. I put the recipe in a file called .procmailrc in my home dir. Is this not what I'm supposed to do? Do I have to do something else to make it work? I did RTFM and that's all it said to do.... From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 15:48:30 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Error Message from lpr command In-Reply-To: <3C03B4A6.65F084A4@NWA.COM> References: <3C03B4A6.65F084A4@NWA.COM> Message-ID: <20011127104434.2ed12038.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Larry Cable wrote: > > When trying to print a text file with the lpr command, I get the > following message...... > > No way to print this type of input file: fsav (linux) virus > (8224-32) > > I can print a mail message from NETSCAPE messenger just fine. > > Anybody ever see this message before?? How can I get rid of it??? Yeah, this is the result of the file(1) command getting confused. That's a program that opens up a file, and reads a few bytes trying to help you determine the type of that file. It's seeing a string or set of bytes that make it think that you've got that weird virus. You might try adding or removing text at the beginning of the file before printing it your file. There might be a strange character in there somewhere, too. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I saw a bank that said "24 / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Hour Banking", but I don't \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) have that much time. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011126135704.A469@slava.net> References: <20011126135704.A469@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011203160343.A5520@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:57:04PM -0600, Lorry wrote: > On a slightly different note, I was using ascd to play my CDs, but it seems > to have a very inconvenient bug* and I removed it from my system. Does anyone > know any similar CD-playing programs? I'm using WorkMan at the moment, but I > liked having the dockabble app. There are a bunch of choices for CD player apps: wmcdplay - dockable app, but based on ascd so it may have same bug gcd - small, but not dockable - its just grip without the ripping UI xmms - plays CDs as well as mp3s, though its kind of overkill for CDs wmxmms - dockable front-end for xmms xmcd - kind of ugly and old, but it works There are probably a bunch more that I missed. I think all of these have official debs. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 3 17:14:30 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1007419806.4079.0.camel@titanium> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 13:43, Nate Carlson wrote: > On 3 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Personally I find that sort of behavior unethical. I think if I every > > caught someone working with/for me as an admin searching through our > > customers (read:users) email or data and they didn't have a valid > > reason, it would be grounds for dismissal. > > Certainly. > > That's why we have to request permission from users to go into their > mailboxes to delete that 20mb e-mail that's clogging up their 56k link, > etc. :) Yeah, I would _HOPE_ we're not the only ones who feel this way. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I call it grun - to use it just type > 'grun command_to_run_on_all_machines' > > #!/usr/local/bin/perl > # run input command on all machines. > > @machine_list=("mach1", "mach2", "mach3"); > # Will run commandline parameters as a command on each machine. > # uname added to help separate output from different machines. > $command= "uname -n; @ARGV"; > > foreach $machine (@machine_list) { > print "ssh $machine $command &\n"; > system "ssh $machine $command &"; > } or #!/bin/tcsh HOSTS="hosta, hostb" foreach ${HOSTS} ; uname -a ; echo $1 ; ssh -x $1 ; end :-) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have folders based on which email, but I do have lots > of folders for various topics and mailing lists and so on. I wrote a recipe > to test it out and had my friend send me an email that it should have affected. > Nothing happened. I rebooted. Nothing happened. I put the recipe in a file > called .procmailrc in my home dir. Is this not what I'm supposed to do? Do I > have to do something else to make it work? I did RTFM and that's all it said > to do.... > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2696 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011203/50128c9b/attachment.bin From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 18:28:57 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <3C0BF5C6.C19C8800@securecomputing.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3C0BF5C6.C19C8800@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011203171840.A5681@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 03:59:34PM -0600, Jamie Seeman wrote: > > > > You could add this, so you don't have to edit the script every > time you want to run it. Well, you don't have to edit the script every time with my version, though your way would work as well. With my version any command line options are used as the command. So to kill ftpd on all machines type: 'grun killall ftpd' . In my version, the command is set by this line: $command= "uname -n; @ARGV"; > > > > > > #!/usr/local/bin/perl > > # run input command on all machines. > > > > @machine_list=("mach1", "mach2", "mach3"); > > # Will run commandline parameters as a command on each machine. > > # uname added to help separate output from different machines. > > print "What command would you like to run: "; > chomp($command = ); > > > > > > foreach $machine (@machine_list) { > > print "\nssh $machine $command &\n"; > > system "ssh $machine $command &"; > > } -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 18:29:34 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <1007419944.4079.2.camel@titanium> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> <1007419944.4079.2.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011203172102.B5681@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 04:52:24PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 15:02, Jim Crumley wrote: > #!/bin/tcsh > HOSTS="hosta, hostb" > foreach ${HOSTS} ; uname -a ; echo $1 ; ssh -x $1 ; end Yeah, I know that perl is overkill for this, but I never bothered to learn lists in shell scripts ;). That's nice and compact! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From fish at slava.net Mon Dec 3 18:56:21 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <1007420186.4079.4.camel@titanium> References: <1007420186.4079.4.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011203181853.A2224@slava.net> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 04:56:26PM -0600, Ben Lutgens typed: > On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 10:39, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > Show us the recipe! Or the money, whatever... > > Wow, you rebooted in attempt to fix a problem with a procmail filter? Yes > You realize you can run procmail on the command line with only a mbox > file as input? Clearly I didn't. I don't even know what an mbox file is. Stupid me. > cat Mail/mailbox | procmail -d username > > and watch your procmail logfile. You'll need to set your logfile up in > your .procmailrc as per `man procmail` Recipe coming shortly, if I can find it. Lorry From lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 21:50:22 2001 From: lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net (Lyle Dinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's In-Reply-To: <3C03B2B5.5060000@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <0D0745A8-E84E-11D5-ACDE-00306578B746@earthlink.net> I just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a Fujisu Laptop. I downloaded Yahoo messenger and AOl messenger. When they were done downloading I just clicked on the file and the pakage manager opened up and instlalled the program and it works just fine. Hope that helps you. On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 09:35 AM, Robert Sinland wrote: > Is there a command or a program in Mandrake 8.1 that will > let you select an RPM to install, and then install all the > dependancies for it? > For example, I have been trying to install program a. > Program a needs stuff from program b and c. > I try and install b and c. > C needs d.... > D needs e... and the loop goes on... > Hate to say anything good about Win but it was nice to just > download a program, install it, and run it... > On the other hand, it isn't (choose your sarcastic remark about windows) > Note: been fighting with this one for a couple days now and not > winning...Have done most of it trying to install from tarballs D/T > being used to slackware..:) (a few years back) > RS > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From santo004 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 21:52:55 2001 From: santo004 at earthlink.net (John Santopietro) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Asus socket 7 with RH 7.1 memory problems References: <20011201130148.A31830@lemongecko.org> <20011201142038.C8700@sherohman.org> <000901c17ab4$3cb855a0$af02353f@umn.edu> <20011201164756.A4036@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <002901c17c5b$5a81aac0$4a01353f@umn.edu> It says P5A-B on the board. I found the solution on the Red Hat sight after sifting through a few hundred postings. I needed to add append = "mem=128M" as the last line of the image= section in the lilo.conf file. I then ran lilo from the root directory and it worked just fine after the reboot. On Dec 01 at 04:05PM John Santopietro wrote: > Hello, > I have just installed redhat 7.1 on my pc with a socket 7 > motherboard that has 128 M of memory but when I open a gui it bogs > down. I checked the memory in the system properties and it is > only recognizing 13M. I poked around the net and I see others > have had the problem but I am unable to find a solution. I am > wondering if I can edit a config file some where or if there is > another fix? What model Asus? P5 and P5a have never given me trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim lupfer" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Asus socket 7 with RH 7.1 memory problems From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Dec 3 21:54:03 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <1007403239.12487.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: For other users it is not only unethical but also rude. An administrator on the otherhand has every right to check what goes through the mail. At work the administrator is responsible for all material on the server and that includes that email from hot-kiddie-pron-today. Even then it is still rude and ethically shady but it is a requirement at work. -munir On 3 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 10:40, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. > > Personally I find that sort of behavior unethical. I think if I every > caught someone working with/for me as an admin searching through our > customers (read:users) email or data and they didn't have a valid > reason, it would be grounds for dismissal. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:11 AM > > > To: tclug > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 06:59, Jay Kline wrote: > > > > For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any > > > > longer > > > > than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( > > > > > > Then those people don't need access to the server. You could > > > chroot those users, and restrict them with a menu interface > > > if they absolutely need shell like access. > > > > > > > > > > > I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a > > > > dynamic IP > > > > and cannot run my own. > > > > > > > > I have other biases also. > > > > > > > > The main question was is there a console based mail client that can > > > > read the > > > > same local format as Kmail. It sounds like mutt will, so I > > > will give that a > > > > try. > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:39 pm, you wrote: > > > > > Why is storing the mail on the server an undesirable > > > trait? Can you > > > > > set up your own system with IMAP running? > > > > > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jay Kline" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:37 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > > > > > > > The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, > > > > > > which at > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic > > > > > > functionality by > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > several POP accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > > > > > > > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, > > > > > > > setup > > > > > > > > > > imaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other > > > servers. Use > > > > > > > procmail > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail > > > > > > > clients to use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you > > > could use any > > > > > > > imap client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I > > > > > > > perfer just > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not > > > worry about > > > > > > > losing mail. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > > > > > > Minnesota > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jay Kline > > > > list@slushpupie.com > > > > http://www.slushpupie.com > > > > -- > > > > Q: What do you call the money you pay to the government when > > > > you ride into the country on the back of an elephant? > > > > A: A howdah duty. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > -- > > > Ben Lutgens > > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Dec 3 22:14:54 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? Message-ID: I've got a Kodak Picture CD here that has some odd behavior. If I mount the disc in Linux I can see all the top level directories except one. Now if I umount the disc and then start up Windows 2000 inside VMware on the same machine, then I can read the whole disc, using the same drive. There are no errors/warnings in my message log. Anyone got a clue here? I'm using kernel 2.4.12 with a PlexWriter RW 4/2/20 drive. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From phil at rephil.org Mon Dec 3 22:54:02 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? In-Reply-To: ; from Jon Schewe on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 07:24:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011203222814.A2608@rephil.org> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 07:24:38PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a Kodak Picture CD here that has some odd behavior. If I mount the > disc in Linux I can see all the top level directories except one. Now if I > umount the disc and then start up Windows 2000 inside VMware on the same > machine, then I can read the whole disc, using the same drive. There are no > errors/warnings in my message log. Anyone got a clue here? > > I'm using kernel 2.4.12 with a PlexWriter RW 4/2/20 drive. I believe I went through this too. The key is that it's a Photo-CD. You can't just mount it and use it, but if you use something like gphoto (I think that was it) you'll be in like Flynn. I *have* read them in Linux, but it did need another utility. Maybe someone else will confirm/correct me here. Cheers, Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 23:11:54 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] machines for sale In-Reply-To: <20011127094401.5ec12266.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: I have an IBM 300pl Penitum 200 mmx, 64 megs memory, 12 gigs hd space, monitor, modem, network, sound, keyboard and mouse. A perfect linux server. Asking 150 dollars but willing to negotiate. Colin Kilbane From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 3 23:53:39 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? In-Reply-To: <20011203222814.A2608@rephil.org> References: <20011203222814.A2608@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011203230102.2d91c3b9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > I believe I went through this too. The key is that it's a Photo-CD. > You can't just mount it and use it, but if you use something like > gphoto (I think that was it) you'll be in like Flynn. My dad was having this trouble. His best guess was that the Photo CD was a multisession CD, apparently something that Linux doesn't handle well. I would have thought Linux could handle multisession discs fine, though Photo CDs might use some weird variant.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ When life gets tough, the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tough generally realize \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) they're outclassed. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 3 23:58:44 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REALLY GOOD Guide for RPM or DPKG development? In-Reply-To: <00b301c1775e$c10eac40$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:15:35AM -0600 References: <00b301c1775e$c10eac40$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011203233904.E21670@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:15:35AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am looking for a really good guide to develop packages for a homegrown > system. I would like to build either RPM or DPKG www.rpm.org > (unless somebody can > suggest something better). better put on your asbestos underwear for that discussion... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From marc at ds6.net Mon Dec 3 23:59:30 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] machines for sale In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:05:45AM -0600 References: <20011127094401.5ec12266.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011203234950.A6578@flanders.digsol.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:05:45AM -0600, Colin Kilbane wrote: > I have an IBM 300pl Penitum 200 mmx, 64 megs memory, 12 gigs hd space, > monitor, modem, network, sound, keyboard and mouse. A perfect linux > server. Asking 150 dollars but willing to negotiate. > > Colin Kilbane let's see.... 3 weeks ago bought a p166 64MB for $10 2 years ago got 3 pentiums and 7 486s for $20 total $150 -- I don't think so marc From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 4 01:23:43 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mail clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1007449182.9903.0.camel@teela> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 13:41, Nate Carlson wrote: > Hmm.. for my Discover statement, I just get an e-mail that says "Your > statement is ready at ", and I have to go log in to their site to get > the statement. (hmm, evolution 1.0 is nifty, syncs to palm stuff) My bank does the same, just says "theres a Document waiting for you" and you have to go look. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 4 01:24:12 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1007449357.9848.2.camel@teela> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 15:02, Jim Crumley wrote: > Write a script to ssh to multiple boxes. Here's a simple perl > script to do it. I call it grun - to use it just type We've got a perl script that spits out netgroups at work. So, if im using tcsh: foreach i (`netgroup -m cs-progeny1`) ssh $i shit-to-do end But, if you really need to do stuff to lots of machines, look into cfengine, its a great way to manage a large installation and keep some sanity. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 4 02:41:22 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REALLY GOOD Guide for RPM or DPKG development? In-Reply-To: <00b301c1775e$c10eac40$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <00b301c1775e$c10eac40$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011204075506.GB616@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:15:35AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am looking for a really good guide to develop packages for a > homegrown system. I would like to build either RPM or DPKG (unless > somebody can suggest something better). I would like a guide for > writing scripts (a.k.a. SPEC file for RPM) to build binary packages. > Everything I have found so far has not given very good advice about > determining file lists (which files should we list and which should we > ignore) and handling binary relocation (/usr ==> /usr/local). Packages: cvs-buildpackage, build-essentials, debhelper, devscripts, debian-policy, dpkg-doc, developers-reference The jist of debian packages: bash$ tar -zxvf software-0.0.0.tar.gz bash$ cd software-0.0.0 bash$ dh_make bash$ cd debian bash$ # edit control files, install scripts, debconf stuff bash$ cd .. bash$ dpkg-buildpackage [options] -rfakeroot bash$ cd .. bash$ sudo dpkg --install software_0.0.0-1_i386.deb Done. To use cvs stuff: bash$ export CVSROOT=/var/cvs/repository bash$ apt-get source software bash$ ls software-0.0.0/ software_0.0.0.orig.tar.gz software_0.0.0-1.dsc software_0.0.0-1.diff.gz bash$ cvs-inject software_0.0.0-1.dsc # ... cvs-inject script imports software from original, applies # diff, and commits w/appropriate tags. bash$ cd ~/checkouts bash$ cvs co -d software-0.0.0 software #cvs co does its stuff bash$ cd software-0.0.0 # make changes, edit changelog: add entry for new version 0.0.0-1.0.1 bash$ cvs ci -m 'Made changes' bash$ cvs tag debian_version_0_0_0-1_0_1 bash$ cvs-buildpackage -uc -us -sd -b software # cvs-buildpackage checks out source with tag matching most recent # changelog version under /usr/src/Packages/, creates the # orig.tar.gz if needed, compiles the package, etc... bash$ cd /usr/src/Packages/software/ bash$ dpkg --install software_0.0.0-1.0.1_i386.deb Done. No, I'm not a Debian bigot on television, I play one every single day of my life. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011204/2fcb96e8/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 4 02:42:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <3C0BF5C6.C19C8800@securecomputing.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3C0BF5C6.C19C8800@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011204080324.GC616@wookimus.net> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 03:59:34PM -0600, Jamie Seeman wrote: > print "What command would you like to run: "; > chomp($command = ); You know. Command prompts are nice and all... What happens when you want to schedule this with cron, though? Just make sure you first write your scripts to operate on stdin/stdout w/o any prompting before you start to think that users need to be led by the choppers in order to get any work done. I'd much rather do something like: bash$ script < infile > outfile or bash$ script --file one --file two --file three --file four \ --output blah.log or bash$ cat infile | script > outfile and finally bash$ script --interactive --verbose What command would you like to run? blah Which computers would you like that to run on? computer1 computer3 Would you like that with fries? [y|N] N That's too bad, fries are good. Oh well. Here's blah. computer1: B L A H computer3: error! (see log file for detail) bash$ echo $? 113 bash$ -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011204/5f5e30e7/attachment.pgp From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Dec 4 02:49:11 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 problems Message-ID: <009f01c17774$cb6e9c20$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I am trying to get my Apache web server and MRTG to start automatically at boot up. I first tried to use Linuxconf for Apache, but when I select "control service activity", I get a screen that shows "Name" "Enabled" and "Running". The only service that shows up is one called "Firewall". I can mess with it all I want, but no other services show up. I can use Linuxconf for other things. This seems to be the only problem area. I finally made 2 scripts and corresponding symbolic links. The scripts are in /etc/rc.d/init.d and the symbolic links are in /etc/rc3.d. neither one comes up at boot, but I can do a "perl S65mrtg" or S66http, and the services will start. I am using RedHat 7.1 and Apache 1.3.19 Any help would be appreciated Raymond From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 02:57:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D105@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you need Windows style ACL controls, you'll need to use the XFS filesystem on the partition(s) that contain data served out by Samba. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Ayala [mailto:Mary@DesignerDoors.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:07 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about > > > I am going to be installing the latest Mandrake Linux package > (8.1 I believe), We are going to be using it for a file > storage server and are going to be using Samba to help > communicate between this and our existing NT 4.0 network. > Are there any issues I should be on the look-out for? Thanks. > > Mary Ayala > ________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 4 03:40:31 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <20011204080324.GC616@wookimus.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3C0BF5C6.C19C8800@securecomputing.com> <20011204080324.GC616@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1007456185.11031.4.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 02:03, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > You know. Command prompts are nice and all... What happens when you > want to schedule this with cron, though? Just make sure you first write Generally, I come up with these sorts of things on the fly in shell or perl, and then when I need something to be scheduled, I shove it into cfengine somehow, or write a unattented script to take care of it. For example, all of my machines with X on it I want to have the latest gdm that I have compiled up. So, I do this: progeny1:: '/usr/bin/tcsh -c "apt-get -y update"` progeny1xconsole:: '/usr/bin/tcsh -c "setenv DEBIAN_PRIORITY critical;setenv DEBIAN_FRONTEND noninteractive;apt-get -y --force-yes -o DPkg::Options::=\"--force-confold\" install gdm"' (BTW, whoever thought DPkg::Options::= was a good idea was on crack (referring to the ::= part)) With the definate upside being that you just worry about getting your cfengine files out every night, and cfengine does the rest. (cfengine can also edit files and such, www.cfengine.org) I really think its the way to go instead of using something like rdist for everything because of how nice its 'groups' system is. If anyone wants me to elaborate further, let me know and I can post a mega-email of the ways I'm using cfengine and plan to use it in the future. I need to document it someday anyhow. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 4 03:42:53 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: REALLY GOOD Guide for RPM or DPKG development? In-Reply-To: <20011204075506.GB616@wookimus.net> References: <00b301c1775e$c10eac40$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011204075506.GB616@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1007456496.11134.6.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 01:55, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:15:35AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > I am looking for a really good guide to develop packages for a > > homegrown system. I would like to build either RPM or DPKG (unless > bash$ # edit control files, install scripts, debconf stuff http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ Most of that part is explained above. I would suggest just working off of debian or some other distribution and make an 'overlay' of things that you need to modify. If your really careful, you can find a nice stable start. I chose progeny1/newton) and build up on top of it to stay somewhat to where you want. We've got ~80 packages in the CS dept that we (hey Zibby!) either have backported/compiled from unstable, or have added custom hacks into. (gdm to have xdm restricted-user semantics. need to get this in upstream.) If you get hooked on it, find out if the stuff you really like packaging is in debian yet and contribute. You might find that maintaining the packages you really nitpick about can help you learn a bit about distribution management. (or politics :| ) Good luck. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 4 03:43:08 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Any Problems I should know about In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D105@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D105@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1007456571.11031.9.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 13:03, Austad, Jay wrote: > If you need Windows style ACL controls, you'll need to use the XFS > filesystem on the partition(s) that contain data served out by Samba. Someday I believe they plan on supporting any FS with users that dont necessarily exist on the unix system with a metadata file somewhere. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 03:53:24 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D107@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, get one of those little green USB->PS2 adapters. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM > |To: Tclug-List > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > | > | > | Hey, > | > |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > | > |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default > setting for > |> the mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different > location? > |> If so, what??? > | > |Try /dev/input/mice > | > |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' > | > |-Yaron > | > |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change > |the mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: > |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > | > |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the > |proper location... > | > | -munir > > Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried > both of these ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? > > Thanks, > > James > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 4 05:21:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried both of these > ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? Make sure gpm isn't running? I can't think of anything else. -Yaron -- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Dec 4 05:21:59 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about Message-ID: Mary, You have some decisions to make. Do you want to make and maintain unix user accounts for everyone that needs access to this samba file server? Or, do you want to use bleeding edge code (Winbind) in the newest version of Samba (2.2.x) to handle unix account management for you? If you don't mind the tried and true "manage unix user acounts" approach, you need to decide if you want encrypted passwords or unencrypted passwords for access to the Samba box. Encryption requires you to maintain two password files (one unix and one for Samba), but you probably don't care about the unix account side if you are using it for Win* storage. Unencrypted access allows you to use one file for passwords (the unix one: /etc/passwd), but will require a small registry modification for Win98, WinNT4SP3+, WinME, Win2K, and WinXP (*.reg files are in the Samba docs). You can easily redirect all authentication for the Samba server to an existing PDC on your network, but without Windbind you will still have to create a unix user on the Samba box for a Win* domain user to access resources there (usually). I don't know what prepacked versions of Samba come with the distribution/version of Linux you are installing, but you should be able to use an RPM version easily, and it does compile and install pretty easy too. Good luck, and if you have more questions, TCLUG is probably a good place to ask them. Troy >>> Mary@DesignerDoors.com 11/27/01 11:07AM >>> I am going to be installing the latest Mandrake Linux package (8.1 I believe), We are going to be using it for a file storage server and are going to be using Samba to help communicate between this and our existing NT 4.0 network. Are there any issues I should be on the look-out for? Thanks. From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 4 05:22:15 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20011127133615.A19995@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:31:42AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: > What do you guys/gals user for server class Linux systems? We almost > certainly want to stick with Intel processors. Built in RAID 1 > (mirroring, in case my number is wrong) would be nice and it has to be > SCSI. We also definitely want console to serial redirection and fiber > gigabit ethernet. Any suggestions as to what to check out and/or > avoid? Penguin Computing (http://www.penguincomputing.com/) Appro 1124s (http://www.appro.com/1124s.html) * mmm... Athlon 1.533GHz MP, 4GB DDR, 1U * Four Hot-swap SCSI Harddrives, RAID Controller * 3 Hot-swap capable blowers * Slim CDROM IMHO, Athlon is definitely where server class is at, but I'm an AMD bigot. Additionally, in any system like this, you'll want to use LVM and a journaling filesystem, such as ext3 or reiserfs. LVM is a must, though. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you're looking at 'most active this week', not 'Top Project Downloads' -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Dec 4 08:32:54 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D107@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D107@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1007475889.11058.6.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> FWIW - I never did get my mousewheel to work on my mouse with the USB->PS2 connector. > Ok, get one of those little green USB->PS2 adapters. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:44 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > > > > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > > |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM > > |To: Tclug-List > > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > | > > | > > | Hey, > > | > > |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > | > > |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default > > setting for > > |> the mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different > > location? > > |> If so, what??? > > | > > |Try /dev/input/mice > > | > > |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' > > | > > |-Yaron > > | > > |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change > > |the mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: > > |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > > | > > |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the > > |proper location... > > | > > | -munir > > > > Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried > > both of these ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > James From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Dec 4 09:02:08 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If i remember properly, you had a USB mouse correct? /dev/mouse should be a link to the mouse device, for me it links to /dev/input/mice have you tried that? if not /dev/input/mice, you can always try the 30 or so other mouse devices. -munir On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM > |To: Tclug-List > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > | > | > | Hey, > | > |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > | > |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default setting for the > |> mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different location? If so, > |> what??? > | > |Try /dev/input/mice > | > |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' > | > |-Yaron > | > |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change the > |mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: > |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > | > |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the proper > |location... > | > | -munir > > Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried both of these > ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? > > Thanks, > > James > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From scott.w.fischer at att.net Tue Dec 4 09:45:56 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse Message-ID: <20011204144036.JNUS5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> My Logitech wireless mousewheel works just fine with the USB-PS2 connector. I didn't have to do anything special to make it work under Mandrake 8.1. -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > FWIW - I never did get my mousewheel to work on my mouse with the > USB->PS2 connector. > > > Ok, get one of those little green USB->PS2 adapters. :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:44 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > > > > > > > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > > > |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM > > > |To: Tclug-List > > > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > | > > > | > > > | Hey, > > > | > > > |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > | > > > |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default > > > setting for > > > |> the mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different > > > location? > > > |> If so, what??? > > > | > > > |Try /dev/input/mice > > > | > > > |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' > > > | > > > |-Yaron > > > | > > > |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change > > > |the mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: > > > |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > > > | > > > |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the > > > |proper location... > > > | > > > | -munir > > > > > > Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried > > > both of these ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > James > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Dec 4 09:46:41 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? References: <20011203222814.A2608@rephil.org> <20011203230102.2d91c3b9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3C0CE0F2.1010007@talkware.net> My dvd drive entry from /etc/fstab: /dev/dvd /dvd iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto,unhide,owner,exec 0 0 I had a couple of CD's that had some directories that I could not see, but could in windows. I had to add 'unhide' to my fstab for my dvd drive. Hope that helps your situation. Mike Hicks wrote: >Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >>I believe I went through this too. The key is that it's a Photo-CD. >>You can't just mount it and use it, but if you use something like >>gphoto (I think that was it) you'll be in like Flynn. >> > >My dad was having this trouble. His best guess was that the Photo CD was >a multisession CD, apparently something that Linux doesn't handle well. > >I would have thought Linux could handle multisession discs fine, though >Photo CDs might use some weird variant.. > From phil at rephil.org Tue Dec 4 09:47:00 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? In-Reply-To: <20011203230102.2d91c3b9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from Mike Hicks on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:01:02PM -0600 References: <20011203222814.A2608@rephil.org> <20011203230102.2d91c3b9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011204084428.A4101@rephil.org> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:01:02PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > I believe I went through this too. The key is that it's a Photo-CD. > > You can't just mount it and use it, but if you use something like > > gphoto (I think that was it) you'll be in like Flynn. > > My dad was having this trouble. His best guess was that the Photo CD was > a multisession CD, apparently something that Linux doesn't handle well. > > I would have thought Linux could handle multisession discs fine, though > Photo CDs might use some weird variant.. I don't think that's it, but am not sure. Multi-session discs stink, but for reasons that shouldn't have anything any bearing at the OS level. (Actually, I admit that statement carries a fair amount of professional bias. Personally, if they work, they work.) I believe that photo discs aren't ISO-9660, but a variant -- or deviant! -- thereof. -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 4 11:23:16 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127133615.A19995@wookimus.net> References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> <20011127133615.A19995@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011204154552.GA6820@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:36:15PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Penguin Computing (http://www.penguincomputing.com/) OK, timewarp. blah -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011204/3261e937/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Tue Dec 4 11:25:42 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011203140845.A3506@visi.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com> <20011203140845.A3506@visi.com> Message-ID: <20011204154643.5D737472C@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> On Monday 03 December 2001 02:08 pm, you wrote: > ON Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:55:01AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Unfortunately, some users who like to snoop are also admins. > > > > This is exactly what I am worried about. I realize that things can be > > done to avoid having them read my email, (encryption, etc) but those are > > all very inconveient for all my friends and family using hotmail. Also, > > when my Discover Card statement is emailed, I cannot have them encrypt > > that. So, I figured the best way is to not have the mail on the server > > if at all possible. > > That tactic will only discourage casual snooping. There's nothing stopping > the smtpd from making copies of your mail as it is received. If somebody > with root access and a modicum of skill wants to read your mail, they will. That is exactly what I want to avoid. I am the main admin on the machine, but it sits at my parents house. And due to reasons Id rather not get into, they have the root password (and yes, they know Unix). They wont deliberatly seek methods of catching my mail, but if they find it they will read it. Anyway, I tried Mutt, and it messed up my inbox. (good thing I keep backups). It seems like it puts line breaks at a different place than Kmail is used to, because all the messages had funny line breaks, and peoples messages spanned multiple messages. Anyone else have a suggestion? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Unless hours were cups of sack, and minutes capons, and clocks the tongues of bawds, and dials the signs of leaping houses, and the blessed sun himself a fair, hot wench in flame-colored taffeta, I see no reason why thou shouldst be so superfluous to demand the time of the day. I wasted time and now doth time waste me. -- William Shakespeare From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 11:33:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D16D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Wow, I sent the message below at Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:03 -0600, and it didn't show up until today. Bob, do you have local_destination_concurrency_limit set really low? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:32 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > Ok, get one of those little green USB->PS2 adapters. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:44 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > > > > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > > |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM > > |To: Tclug-List > > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > | > > | > > | Hey, > > | > > |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > | > > |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default > > setting for > > |> the mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different > > location? > > |> If so, what??? > > | > > |Try /dev/input/mice > > | > > |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' > > | > > |-Yaron > > | > > |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for > Mouse change > > |the mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: > > |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > > | > > |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the > > |proper location... > > | > > | -munir > > > > Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried > > both of these ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > James > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Tue Dec 4 11:34:24 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog and a 678 dsl modem Message-ID: Anyone have much luck getting a linux box to recieve syslog messages? I set syslog remote and set syslog enable but when I try set syslog test lame message I never see it in my log files. I am guessing I am missing the suffix in my syslog.conf. So if some one can give me some clues that would be great. Thanks. Jason From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Dec 4 11:48:53 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks Message-ID: I'm moving a machine from building A to building B. Building A has a T1 and building B has a DSL. Since there's lots of DNS stuff pointed to its address on the T1 it will take some time to get it all moved to the DSL. Here's my thought: I have a few extra linux boxen on the building A T1. Can I bind the old IP address to one of these and port forward it to the box over in building B? That way I have very little down time while my DNS changes get propogated. I can't find anything on doing this in the ipfwadm or ipmasqadm docs. Thanks! -Brian From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Dec 4 13:22:58 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got impatient. Since the Mandrake 8.1 upgrade trashed my entire 8.0 install (including my VMWare :( ), I retaliated and am now running RH7.2 on it. For the sake of google searches, here are the relevant lines: # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "IMPS/2" Device "/dev/input/mice" # For wheel support - can not be used with Emulate3Buttons # # ZAxisMapping 4 5 # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice # Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms) # Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection All the functions on the mouse work. What I don't understand -- that is what I had changed the lines to and they didn't work??? Oh well. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar |Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:17 AM |To: Twin Cities Linux User Group |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse | | |If i remember properly, you had a USB mouse correct? /dev/mouse should be |a link to the mouse device, for me it links to /dev/input/mice have you |tried that? | |if not /dev/input/mice, you can always try the 30 or so other mouse |devices. | | -munir |On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: | |> |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |> |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron |> |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM |> |To: Tclug-List |> |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse |> | |> | |> | Hey, |> | |> |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: |> | |> |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default |setting for the |> |> mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different |location? If so, |> |> what??? |> | |> |Try /dev/input/mice |> | |> |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' |> | |> |-Yaron |> | |> |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change the |> |mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: |> |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" |> | |> |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the proper |> |location... |> | |> | -munir |> |> Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried |both of these |> ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? |> |> Thanks, |> |> James |> |> _______________________________________________ |> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. |Paul, Minnesota |> http://www.mn-linux.org |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> | |-- | |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 4 13:29:14 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011204175054.GB6820@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:34:44PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > You have some decisions to make. ...[snip Troy's great answer]... TIP #1 Run a firewall and block all netbios and windows traffic going in or out. If people want to share Workgroups, they can install VPN software and do it manually themselves. WINDOWS SCOPE My take on it is this. If you're running a mixed environment behind a firewall, turn off the encrypted (hashed) passwords in the Windows registries and give yourself a break on account management. The so-called Windows encryption is nothing more than hashing the password before passing it to the server. This buys no real security, so shutting it off is no big deal. If shutting it off allows you greater flexibility with account management w/o having to delve into Kerberose, go for it. *NIX SCOPE If you have multiple *NIX machines, push the passwd files around w/scp and write a simple passwd wrapper script that opens an ssh connection for the user to the master passwd server. #! /bin/sh -e # # SSH Wrapper to passwd binary on hostA.mydomain.tld # -- a.k.a. The easy part # SSH=/usr/bin/ssh USER=${USER-:$(whoami)} SVR=hostA.mydomain.tld $SSH ${USER}@${SVR} /bin/passwd # The script will (should) exit with the error code given by # passwd as it cascades from ssh. # EOF Then, all you need to do is fire off a cron job every ${interval} to examine the last modified time of /etc/passwd to determine whether or not you want to push out a new file to all the servers. Push it out w/either scp or rsync over ssh. ACK, this is the hard part. I started to write out what I thought would be a good push script. It turns out that you're going to have to worry about locking semantics. You want to lock or copy /etc/shadow before you start pushing it out, otherwise your sync script won't be in sync any longer. Bash just doesn't cut it any more in that case. cfengine seems to handle locking symantics well, and can use both a "pull" or "push" model. (I just read the info again.) There's a number of other very useful things you can do with cfengine, even if you're only managing a small number of boxes. Anywya, back to work. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011204/882b56eb/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Tue Dec 4 13:29:29 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finding partitions? In-Reply-To: <20011202134152.A18625@sherohman.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That worked slick. I found the start and end of the partitions I needed to fix. As it turns out I hosed my NTFS metadata by overextending the OpenBSD partition. I'm making a zipslack SuperDisk and use that with the Coroner's Toolkit to extract what I can from the raw disk. Bummer. Thanks for the help, it saved me a lot of trouble. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 01:10:15PM -0600, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > So I messed up though I haven't decided exactly how yet. The net solution > > I need is to find the start/end of an NTFS5 partition, then a ext2 > > partition. Do you folks know of any strings I can search for that indicate > > whether I've found the right place or not? Any automated tools would be > > nice since it's darn timeconsuming otherwise. > > gpart - Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions > > That's from Debian's package list, but I'm sure you could find it on > freshmeat or sourceforge if you're not a debianite. > > Description: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions > Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a > PC-type disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is > damaged, incorrect or deleted. > . > It is also good at finding and listing the types, locations, and > sizes of inadvertently-deleted partitions, both primary and logical. > It gives you the information you need to manually re-create them > (using fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, etc.). > . > The guessed table can also be written to a file or (if you firmly > believe the guessed table is entirely correct) directly to a disk > device. > . > Supported (guessable) filesystem or partition types: > . > * BeOS filesystem type. > * FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD disklabel sub-partitioning > scheme used on Intel platforms. > * Linux second extended filesystem. > * MS-DOS FAT12/16/32 "filesystems". > * IBM OS/2 High Performance filesystem. > * Linux LVM physical volumes (LVM by Heinz Mauelshagen). > * Linux swap partitions (versions 0 and 1). > * The Minix operating system filesystem type. > * MS Windows NT/2000 filesystem. > * QNX 4.x filesystem. > * The Reiser filesystem (version 3.5.X, X > 11). > * Sun Solaris on Intel platforms uses a sub-partitioning > scheme on PC hard disks similar to the BSD disklabels. > * Silicon Graphic's journalling filesystem for Linux. > . > Other types may be added relatively easily, as separately compiled modules. > > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists > have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8DQ6rfexLsowstzcRAtoHAKDk6PDxGXEUsW6iKXvcpf32XVxK9QCfW15D c2TFJ0g8+/JMcPLTT2wO1kQ= =1fgk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Tue Dec 4 13:29:49 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Norton Diskedit-alike for *nix? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is there a Norton Diskedit-ish program available for Linux? That would just be slick if there were and I wouldn't have to keep my dos recovery disks around anymore (or I could at least put them away in storage) Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8DQ8lfexLsowstzcRAs/bAKC/qREj3CQiWh/9I7kXW5iXYV/P1gCeONCO EvJgQRoortEXqTK7rMmVarc= =OPAX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 13:30:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog and a 678 dsl modem Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D171@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You need to make sure syslog is running on your linux box with the -r option. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason [mailto:ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:44 AM > To: tclug > Subject: [TCLUG] syslog and a 678 dsl modem > > > > > Anyone have much luck getting a linux box to recieve syslog > messages? I set syslog remote and set syslog > enable but when I try set syslog test lame message I never > see it in my log files. I am guessing I am missing the suffix > in my syslog.conf. So if some one can give me some clues that > would be great. > > Thanks. > > > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 13:33:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D172@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You could, but traffic returning to the client would appear to come back from the ip on the dsl line, and would be rejected by the tcp stack on the remote host. Here's an easier solution. Change the TTL in your dns to like 15 minutes well in advance of the move. When you move the box over, change your dns at the same time. That way it will minimize the amount of time it takes for your dns to propagate (less than 15 minutes). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:20 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks > > > I'm moving a machine from building A to building B. Building > A has a T1 and building B has a DSL. Since there's lots of > DNS stuff pointed to its address on the T1 it will take some > time to get it all moved to the DSL. Here's my thought: I > have a few extra linux boxen on the building A T1. Can I > bind the old IP address to one of these and port forward it > to the box over in building B? That way I have very little > down time while my DNS changes get propogated. I can't find > anything on doing this in the ipfwadm or ipmasqadm docs. > > Thanks! > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 4 13:42:16 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog and a 678 dsl modem In-Reply-To: ; from ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 10:44:27AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011204121032.C30989@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 10:44:27AM -0600, Jason wrote: > Anyone have much luck getting a linux box to recieve syslog messages? I set > syslog remote and set syslog enable but when I try set syslog > test lame message I never see it in my log files. I am guessing I am missing > the suffix in my syslog.conf. So if some one can give me some clues that > would be great. Are you starting syslogd with a -r on the receiving box? From man syslogd: -r This option will enable the facility to receive message from the network using an internet domain socket with the syslog service (see services(5)). The default is to not receive any messages from the network. This option is introduced in version 1.3 of the sysklogd package. Please note that the default behavior is the opposite of how older versions behave, so you might have to turn this on. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From thudak at autonomous.tv Tue Dec 4 13:42:33 2001 From: thudak at autonomous.tv (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 11:19:42AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011204121207.A57048@Ikarus> * Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com) wrote: > I'm moving a machine from building A to building B. Building A has a T1 > and building B has a DSL. Since there's lots of DNS stuff pointed to its > address on the T1 it will take some time to get it all moved to the > DSL. Here's my thought: I have a few extra linux boxen on the building A > T1. Can I bind the old IP address to one of these and port forward it to > the box over in building B? That way I have very little down time while > my DNS changes get propogated. I can't find anything on doing this in the > ipfwadm or ipmasqadm docs. Yes, and it's quite easy. Since I'm using a real network-os (/me ducks), I'll give you an ipfw rule that will work, then you'll at least have an idea of what it's supposed to look like, and should be able to translate it to iptables-speak. ipfw add forward all 1.2.3.4 80 4.3.2.1 1337 in via xl0 On a BSD box with IPFW enable, that says "forward all types of traffic from 1.2.3.4 on port 80 to 4.3.2.1 port 1337 coming in via xl0" Which gives the added bonus of *only* forwarding all the data that comes *in* to the desired ethernet device for that address/port. head over to linuxdoc.org, last I checked they had some good tutorials on ipmasq/chains/tables to peruse... the iptables lines are similar in syntax enought that it shouldn't be too hard. Good luck, and post again if you still have problems Thomas J. Hudak Professional Unix Admin for hire From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 4 13:50:07 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D16D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Wow, I sent the message below at Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:03 -0600, and it > didn't show up until today. Bob, do you have > local_destination_concurrency_limit set really low? Box is just being pounded to crap with the Linux kernel archives.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 4 13:50:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Brian wrote: > I'm moving a machine from building A to building B. Building A has a T1 > and building B has a DSL. Since there's lots of DNS stuff pointed to its > address on the T1 it will take some time to get it all moved to the > DSL. Here's my thought: I have a few extra linux boxen on the building A > T1. Can I bind the old IP address to one of these and port forward it to > the box over in building B? That way I have very little down time while > my DNS changes get propogated. I can't find anything on doing this in the > ipfwadm or ipmasqadm docs. You might be able to do this with iptables dnat.. not sure if it has to be a local network or not. Otherwise, ipsec will make it look like it's a local network.. *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jima at gimp.damnation.net Tue Dec 4 13:51:09 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] syslog and a 678 dsl modem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011204122650.00a7ad50@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: At 10:44 AM 12/4/01 -0600, Jason wrote: > Anyone have much luck getting a linux box to recieve syslog messages? I set > syslog remote and set syslog enable but when I try set syslog > test lame message I never see it in my log files. I am guessing I am missing > the suffix in my syslog.conf. So if some one can give me some clues that > would be great. Well, I don't know about 678's, but I have it working great on three 675's. The main important trick is that syslogd on the destination box has to be started with the -r (remote?) flag, otherwise it won't listen on udp/514, which is where the Cisco is attempting to send data to (at least, by default). As far as I know, most syslogd's aren't set -r out-of-the-box, so you have to make this change. As for syslog.conf, I didn't have a problem with the original configuration. Hope this helps. Jima From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Tue Dec 4 13:58:28 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi emaulation for DVD Message-ID: <200112041846.fB4IkZu06212@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I did my research but would like a confirmation on this procedure before I begin. I need to add scsi emulation for my dvd (hdb). I already have a working cdrw (hdd). Here are my steps: 1. edit lilo.conf with: append=" hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi devsfs=mount quiet" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (for each boot option) 2. run: $ sbin/lilo -v and then reboot. 3. check devices with: $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi 4. edit fstab by removing old /dev/hdd entry and add: /dev/scdX /mnt/cdrom etc...... (where X should be 8) 5. Add link: ln -s /dev/scd8 /dev/cdrom ln -s /dev/scd8 /dev/dvd (xine requires this for example) Question#1: Would I want to add this to /etc/module.conf: options ide=cd ignore="hdb hdd" I saw a reference to this, telling ide to ignore hdb and hdd. Question #2: How many logical units does scsi emulation create for each cd device (I believe 8)? Will I need to create a node in /dev? Such as: mknod scd8 b 11 8 Thanks for your help. ^ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 15:14:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Interesting game for Linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D173@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/about.html Runs on windows too, so you can sluff off at work if you are windows-bound. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 15:42:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D176@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> This won't work though. Because returning packets to the client are going to appear to come from a different address. He's not doing any sort of NAT, and since it's a transition, the box will have to answer to request going to it's real IP besides the ones that come from the forwarding rule. As far as I know, there's not any easy way to do it except maybe to create a tunnel between the two boxes, and then do source routing. I don't know if linux will do source routing though, never tried it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas J. Hudak [mailto:thudak@autonomous.tv] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks > > > * Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com) wrote: > > I'm moving a machine from building A to building B. > Building A has a > > T1 and building B has a DSL. Since there's lots of DNS > stuff pointed > > to its address on the T1 it will take some time to get it > all moved to > > the DSL. Here's my thought: I have a few extra linux boxen on the > > building A T1. Can I bind the old IP address to one of > these and port > > forward it to the box over in building B? That way I have > very little > > down time while my DNS changes get propogated. I can't > find anything > > on doing this in the ipfwadm or ipmasqadm docs. > Yes, and it's quite easy. > > Since I'm using a real network-os (/me ducks), I'll give you > an ipfw rule that will work, then you'll at least have an > idea of what it's supposed to look like, and should be able > to translate it to iptables-speak. > > ipfw add forward all 1.2.3.4 80 4.3.2.1 1337 in via xl0 > > On a BSD box with IPFW enable, that says "forward all types > of traffic from 1.2.3.4 on port 80 to 4.3.2.1 port 1337 > coming in via xl0" > Which gives the added bonus of *only* forwarding all the data > that comes > *in* to the desired ethernet device for that address/port. > > head over to linuxdoc.org, last I checked they had some good > tutorials on ipmasq/chains/tables to peruse... the iptables > lines are similar in syntax enought that it shouldn't be too hard. > > Good luck, and post again if you still have problems > > Thomas J. Hudak > Professional Unix Admin for hire > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Dec 4 16:00:34 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached Message-ID: Tuesday 3:25 PM Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Dec 4 16:03:19 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screen Saver Message-ID: Never mind. Just found it. It is a new Lookout worm called Goner. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Tue Dec 4 17:41:57 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <20011130133758.ED48A28E56@thursday.freeze.com> <00c401c17bb5$89579540$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> Message-ID: <3C0D45AB.6007C2A@indivisuallearning.com> Jay Kline wrote: > > For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any longer > than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( > > I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a dynamic IP > and cannot run my own. Ya, but you could have a computer sitting there, always on, that will go get your mail every few minutes. That should be very simple to do no matter what you address is. Simple cron job. Then you could connect to this machine when you want to get your mail. Running IMAP of course. :-) sim From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 4 17:46:12 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:30:30PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011204160311.D30989@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:30:30PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting > hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I > looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them > at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) What's the subject line and the name of the attachment? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Dec 4 17:52:10 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D176@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > AFAIK, there's not any easy way to do it except maybe to create a tunnel > between the two boxes, and then do source routing. I don't know if linux > will do source routing though, never tried it. What about doing an SSH tunnel? I know, with all this planning I could have just moved the box already and it'd be back up but it's the principle :-). -Brian From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Tue Dec 4 17:53:42 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537815D@DDMAIL> It's called W32.Goner.a@mm and it is spread by Outlook and ICQ. It's on the Symantec website and KSTP.com has a little blurb on it. Right now it's a cat 3 virus, but it seems to spread pretty goo. -----Original Message----- From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:31 PM To: Tclug-List Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached Tuesday 3:25 PM Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 18:00:27 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D182@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Have you purchased any of these appro boxes? These are the only 1u dual Athlon's I've seen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad C. Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Server class boxes > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:31:42AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: > > What do you guys/gals user for server class Linux systems? > We almost > > certainly want to stick with Intel processors. Built in RAID 1 > > (mirroring, in case my number is wrong) would be nice and > it has to be > > SCSI. We also definitely want console to serial > redirection and fiber > > gigabit ethernet. Any suggestions as to what to check out and/or > > avoid? > > Penguin Computing (http://www.penguincomputing.com/) > > Appro 1124s (http://www.appro.com/1124s.html) > * mmm... Athlon 1.533GHz MP, 4GB DDR, 1U > * Four Hot-swap SCSI Harddrives, RAID Controller > * 3 Hot-swap capable blowers > * Slim CDROM > > IMHO, Athlon is definitely where server class is at, but I'm > an AMD bigot. Additionally, in any system like this, you'll > want to use LVM and a journaling filesystem, such as ext3 or > reiserfs. LVM is a must, though. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > From thudak at autonomous.tv Tue Dec 4 18:09:12 2001 From: thudak at autonomous.tv (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D176@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 02:47:22PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D176@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011204162941.A21975@Ikarus> * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > This won't work though. Because returning packets to the client are going > to appear to come from a different address. He's not doing any sort of NAT, > and since it's a transition, the box will have to answer to request going to > it's real IP besides the ones that come from the forwarding rule. As far as > I know, there's not any easy way to do it except maybe to create a tunnel > between the two boxes, and then do source routing. I don't know if linux > will do source routing though, never tried it. Consider this.. Do like Jay said, and set the ttl to something high after doing the following: Find or build a machine (B) and ghost the current servers drive (A) to machine (B)'s drive. Make a time to down machine A after verifying machine B's capability. Bring machine B up as machine A shuts down, dns *should* function properly if it's records are identical etc. Take machine A to the new location and reconfigure BIND for the new IP settings, verify it's ok by whatever means you feel will work, and bring it online. You may want to make machine A a secondary to B so it updates it's records accordingly before taking over as primary under it's new conditions. I have no idea if this will work, but it seem logical to me. Any thoughts? Tom Hudak Computer Junkie Caffeine Addict Gleefully Unemployed! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011204/660a55c1/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Dec 4 18:11:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, James Spinti wrote: > Tuesday 3:25 PM > > Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting > hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I Yup! Just made /. headlines, it's called Goner. It spreads itself with Outhouse, ICQ, and mIRC. It also tries to delete certain virus scanning programs. Moral of the story: Friends don't let friends use Windows. -Brian From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Tue Dec 4 19:36:41 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537815F@DDMAIL> The subjec line has Hi in it the attachment is Gone.scr and the body will say something like: How are you ? When I saw this screen saver, I immediately thought about you. I am in a harry, I promise you will love it! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:03 PM To: Tclug-List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:30:30PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting > hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I > looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them > at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) What's the subject line and the name of the attachment? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Tue Dec 4 19:38:05 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <200112041846.fB4IkZu06212@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: *self-consciously asks this generic question in fear that it has been answered 300x...* I am looking for an archive of old TCLUG msgs/threads. Silly me, if I do not immediately need TCLUG msgs/threads, I delete 'em. Does anyone have them archived somewhere? I am also interested in emails that I could not have possibly seen (prior to being on this mailing list). Any advise? uak From santo004 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 4 19:40:14 2001 From: santo004 at earthlink.net (John Santopietro) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537815D@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <002301c17d1f$dfdf5c20$0301353f@umn.edu> The email attachment is gone.scr. It attempts to delete any security programs running on the desktop and it attempts to spread itself through ICQ chat. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ayala" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached > It's called W32.Goner.a@mm and it is spread by Outlook and ICQ. It's on the > Symantec website and KSTP.com has a little blurb on it. Right now it's a > cat 3 virus, but it seems to spread pretty goo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:31 PM > To: Tclug-List > Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached > > > Tuesday 3:25 PM > > Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting > hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I > looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them > at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Dec 4 19:41:30 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <3C0D45AB.6007C2A@indivisuallearning.com> References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> <3C0D45AB.6007C2A@indivisuallearning.com> Message-ID: <20011205000409.47BB1470B@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> My, what an interesting concept. I find it interesting that so many people on this list feel the need to change a problem set. It happens quite often, and can be very frustrating for the person asking the question. Its ok to suggest a different approach, but if the person asking the question says something wont work, please dont dwell on it. Sorry, I cant run a second server, or run IMAP. I have my reasons. All Im asking is for a text based mail reader that works with Kmail. Jay On Tuesday 04 December 2001 03:53 pm, you wrote: > Jay Kline wrote: > > For privacy reasons, I dont want to keep the mail on my server any longer > > than possible. There are people who like to snoop... :-( > > > > I am on the Charter Pipeline cable modem now (sucks), so I have a dynamic > > IP and cannot run my own. > > Ya, but you could have a computer sitting there, always on, that will go > get your mail every few minutes. That should be very simple to do no > matter what you address is. Simple cron job. > Then you could connect to this machine when you want to get your mail. > Running IMAP of course. > > :-) > > sim > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far. Especially if they are dead. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 19:42:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port forwarding to other networks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D188@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > What about doing an SSH tunnel? I know, with all this > planning I could have just moved the box already and it'd be > back up but it's the principle :-). But if you want it to respond to requests to it's real IP, and to the ip which is on the box doing the forwarding, you need to have some way for it to figure out whether to send the packets back out of the regular ethernet interface, or over the tunnel. And for that, you need to do source routing. That will send packets back through the last hop they came from, regardless of the default route on the box. In the case of the port forwarding box, the hop that it came from would be the ip on the other side of the tunnel. So yes, you can do an ssh tunnel, but it's probably just faster to make a low TTL on your DNS server, and then move it long enough after the original TTL expires, and change the DNS to the new ip when you phsically move it. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 4 19:45:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D189@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I wonder if I can run it under Wine! > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:46 PM > To: Tclug-List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > Tuesday 3:25 PM > > > > Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been > > getting hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver > > attached. I > > Yup! > > Just made /. headlines, it's called Goner. It spreads itself > with Outhouse, ICQ, and mIRC. It also tries to delete > certain virus scanning programs. > > Moral of the story: Friends don't let friends use Windows. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Tue Dec 4 19:47:48 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached References: <20011204160311.D30989@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3C0D6B06.3060701@baldwin-telecom.net> The subject is "Hi" and the attachment shows up as a .scr file. Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:30:30PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > >>Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting >>hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I >>looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them >>at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) >> > > What's the subject line and the name of the attachment? > > From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Tue Dec 4 21:08:04 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378160@DDMAIL> Which brings up pet peeve - When are virus creators going to learn how to spell and use proper grammar? Sorry I had to vent. There I feel better, how about you? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ayala [mailto:Mary@designerdoors.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:37 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached The subjec line has Hi in it the attachment is Gone.scr and the body will say something like: How are you ? When I saw this screen saver, I immediately thought about you. I am in a harry, I promise you will love it! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:03 PM To: Tclug-List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:30:30PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been getting > hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I > looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them > at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) What's the subject line and the name of the attachment? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 4 21:16:24 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: References: <200112041846.fB4IkZu06212@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011204201118.A23771@fandre.com> It's all on the TCLUG website. (hint: look at the bottom of the page) http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ On Tue, 04 Dec 2001, uak wrote: > *self-consciously asks this generic question in fear that it has been > answered 300x...* > > I am looking for an archive of old TCLUG msgs/threads. Silly me, if > I do not immediately need TCLUG msgs/threads, I delete 'em. > > Does anyone have them archived somewhere? I am also interested in emails > that I could not have possibly seen (prior to being on this mailing list). > > Any advise? > > uak > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Dec 4 21:18:13 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D189@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:17:15PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D189@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011204201903.B5174@rephil.org> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:17:15PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I wonder if I can run it under Wine! My hat's off -- That is the most true idea for a hack that I've heard in several years. :) -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From thomas at stderr.net Tue Dec 4 21:19:38 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: ; from uak@nerp.net on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 05:59:50PM -0600 References: <200112041846.fB4IkZu06212@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011205032357.M24004@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 05:59:50PM -0600, uak wrote: > *self-consciously asks this generic question in fear that it has been > answered 300x...* > > I am looking for an archive of old TCLUG msgs/threads. Silly me, if > I do not immediately need TCLUG msgs/threads, I delete 'em. > > Does anyone have them archived somewhere? I am also interested in emails > that I could not have possibly seen (prior to being on this mailing list). Look in the headers for the archive URL. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Tue Dec 4 21:37:02 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <200111271730.LAA27224@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200111271730.LAA27224@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <01112715494100.31077@edith> Alternatively, try bochs, now that networking support has been added under Winders as a guest OS. Kelly Black P.S> Let me know if you you have success. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:30, you wrote: > I personally haven't tried to get it working, but you might want to visit > http://appdb.codeweavers.com/ to see if others have had success. > > The site has a good database of programs that work with WINE along with > user tips and tricks. > > Brandon > > On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:21 am, you wrote: > > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email application > > that can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the scheduling > > stuff to be integrated with everyone elses. > > > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is the best so far > > (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new mail it > > retreives everything instead of starting where it left off. So each > > check for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. > > > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person (or > > at least happier than I am right now). > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Dec 4 22:39:05 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? In-Reply-To: <3C0CE0F2.1010007@talkware.net> References: <20011203222814.A2608@rephil.org> <20011203230102.2d91c3b9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3C0CE0F2.1010007@talkware.net> Message-ID: Jason Jorgensen writes: > My dvd drive entry from /etc/fstab: > /dev/dvd /dvd iso9660 > defaults,ro,user,noauto,unhide,owner,exec 0 0 > > > I had a couple of CD's that had some directories that I could not see, but > could in windows. I had to add 'unhide' to my fstab for my dvd drive. That did it! Thank you. I've used nonide with nfs mounts, but not with cdroms. Seems kind of odd, but it works! -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jack at jacku.com Tue Dec 4 22:42:54 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows can read CD that Linux can't? In-Reply-To: <20011204084428.A4101@rephil.org> References: <20011203230102.2d91c3b9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011204084428.A4101@rephil.org> Message-ID: <01120421182402.00880@geezer> On Tuesday 04 December 2001 08:44, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > I believe that photo discs aren't ISO-9660, but a variant -- or > deviant! -- thereof. The discussion has rattled something in my brain from when I taught a multimedia class and one of the things we discussed where the basic "Book" formats for CDs. (Red, Yellow, Green, Orange) Photo-CDs were the impetus for the Orange Book standard, which defines the physical way in which multi-session discs are created. I don't believe it has any bearing on file format. That said I suspect that Kodak uses its own format to maximize capacity for Photo-CDs. I got my self a refresher at: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/crc/cdrom/cdrom.html So people with and interest may wish to look there. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 4 22:44:40 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1007522546.2455.6.camel@minime> On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 17:59, uak wrote: > *self-consciously asks this generic question in fear that it has been > answered 300x...* You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on the list? -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Dec 5 00:15:08 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <1007522546.2455.6.camel@minime>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 09:22:24PM -0600 References: <1007522546.2455.6.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011205061359.O24004@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 09:22:24PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 17:59, uak wrote: > > *self-consciously asks this generic question in fear that it has been > > answered 300x...* > You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on > the list? I'm sorry, but I couldn't find one on the end of your mail here! Am I doing something wrong?????????????????????????????? /me runs for cover yes it's because you're signing your messages and mailman doesn't know/ can append it to your post. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tl at assimilated.org Wed Dec 5 00:21:11 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011205000409.47BB1470B@stc-matrix.chartermi.net>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:02:12PM -0600 References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> <3C0D45AB.6007C2A@indivisuallearning.com> <20011205000409.47BB1470B@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> Message-ID: <20011204231908.A1952@assimilated.org> On Dec 04 at 06:02PM Jay Kline wrote: > My, what an interesting concept. I find it interesting that > so many people on this list feel the need to change a problem set. > It happens quite often, and can be very frustrating for the person > asking the question. Its ok to suggest a different approach, but > if the person asking the question says something wont work, please > dont dwell on it. [...] This rant is good, but I think a haiku would work much better with your given software. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 868 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011205/feb40589/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 5 01:39:13 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] A few TCLUG Announcements... Message-ID: <20011203130312.E28647@fandre.com> Wow, got a bunch of announcements this week: ******************************************************************************** First of all, I'd like to thank Jeremy White from CodeWeavers, Inc. for giving his Wine presentation at Saturday's TCLUG meeting. For those who missed it, his presentation can be found at http://www.codeweavers.com/about/news/talks/comdex2001/. (BTW, if you haven't checked out their Cross-Over plugin, do it now. You won't be disappointed. If you like it, don't be cheap and buy it for $20. It really does rock. http://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover/download_demo.php) ******************************************************************************** Just a reminder that we are having an installfest this Saturday. If you are planning on attending, please register on the website. (http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/) Also, don't forget to bring everything you need (including power strips) so you aren't left high-and-dry. We will be burning CDs there, so don't worry about getting Linux beforehand. ******************************************************************************** I just found out today that Northfield now has it's own LUG. (Yipee!!!) Here's their announcement message: Our first true meeting is Wednesday, 5 Dec. at 7:00 p.m at the Northfield Pub Library. We're still working on 'net presence, so all we have right now is http://gurno.com/nlug/ . ******************************************************************************** I am looking for a speaker/topic for January's TCLUG meeting. If you know of anyone, please let me know. ******************************************************************************** Mike Jacobs, who is the Assistant Minnesota Attorney General, will speaking at the UUM (Unix Users of Minnesota) meeting this Wednesday about the Microsoft antitrust suit. Check out their website for more information: http://www.uum.org/ ******************************************************************************** That is all. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 01:53:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's In-Reply-To: <3C03B2B5.5060000@gvtel.com>; from rsinland@gvtel.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:35:17AM -0600 References: <3C03B2B5.5060000@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <20011205011819.L13105@real-time.com> Quoting Robert Sinland (rsinland@gvtel.com): > Is there a command or a program in Mandrake 8.1 that will > let you select an RPM to install, and then install all the > dependancies for it? It's called apt :-) The humor might be lost since you may not understand that it's a debian thing. RPM is a good package tool, but not great. It's not very good a resolving dependancies. Worse, it doesn't know how to fetch anything that related to dependancies. You might want to look at the apt-for-rpm project which was posted to the list recently. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 01:57:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8 out of 10 SF Top Ten Downloads In-Reply-To: <20011203233251.D21670@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:32:51PM -0600 References: <20011203023939.F13105@real-time.com> <20011203233251.D21670@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011205013432.M13105@real-time.com> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > PostNuke > jboss > BZFlag > Gaim > PCGen > Compiere ERP > Miranda IM > SourceForge > DocBook > Python It changes daily. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 01:59:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8 out of 10 SF Top Ten Downloads In-Reply-To: <20011204071058.A3572@assimilated.org>; from tl@assimilated.org on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 07:10:58AM -0600 References: <20011203023939.F13105@real-time.com> <20011203233251.D21670@real-time.com> <20011204071058.A3572@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011205013508.N13105@real-time.com> Quoting tim lupfer (tl@assimilated.org): > > the only one I see being win32-only is Miranda. the others are very > > cross-platform; but I don't see 8 of them being win32-only... > > I think you're looking at 'most active this week', not 'Top Project > Downloads' It also changes daily, but for several days 8 out of the 10 where win32 only projects. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From poverby at megsinet.net Wed Dec 5 02:15:07 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Support Message-ID: <3C040F37.9DF3738F@megsinet.net> Anyone on this list ever used http://free.linux-support.net/ for Linux support From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 03:15:15 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <1007407234.19350.0.camel@titanium>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 01:20:34PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203175503.E282428E52@thursday.freeze.com> <1007407234.19350.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011205013915.O13105@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > The mail still sits on that server untill you collect it. In fact, if he > wanted to the admin could make copies of all your mail..... > > You should think about what you're saying here. Sounds to me like you > need to setup your own mailserver and route all your mail to that.... But then I can setup a sniffer on port 25 and man-n-middle attack your SMTP traffic. Best bet, GPG encrypt. Next best best, TLS and sendmail. http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/presentations/Sendmail+SMTP_AUTH/html/Sendmail+SMTP_AUTH.htm -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 03:18:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <1007403239.12487.0.camel@titanium>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 12:13:59PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <1007403239.12487.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011205014032.P13105@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Personally I find that sort of behavior unethical. I think if I every > caught someone working with/for me as an admin searching through our > customers (read:users) email or data and they didn't have a valid > reason, it would be grounds for dismissal. Yeah, then there is dis-plane, dis-tank. I'd fire their ass. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 03:19:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] razor anti-spam tools In-Reply-To: <20011203184250.GF9177@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 12:42:50PM -0600 References: <20011203023259.D13105@real-time.com> <20011203184250.GF9177@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011205014646.Q13105@real-time.com> Quoting Chad C. Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > IMHO, junkfilter for procmail works just fine. ;-) Does junkfilter allow you to send stuff back to other people can use your effort to keep even more spam out of your inbox? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 03:22:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:18:18PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011205014806.R13105@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Does anyone have a good solution for executing the same command to multiple > boxes? > > I have a cluster of mailservers, and when I do things on one, I frequently > need to do them across all of them. Ssh'ing into each box is too time > consuming. expect is your friend. Install expect and look at /usr/bin/autopasswd /usr/bin/passmass For examples. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Dec 5 03:24:09 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Issuing the same command to multiple boxes In-Reply-To: <1007456185.11031.4.camel@teela> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D165@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011203150235.A5306@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3C0BF5C6.C19C8800@securecomputing.com> <20011204080324.GC616@wookimus.net> <1007456185.11031.4.camel@teela> Message-ID: <20011205074850.GA1312@wookimus.net> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 02:56:25AM -0600, Scott M. Dier wrote: > On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 02:03, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > You know. Command prompts are nice and all... What happens when you > > want to schedule this with cron, though? Just make sure you first write > > Generally, I come up with these sorts of things on the fly in shell or > perl, and then when I need something to be scheduled, I shove it into > cfengine somehow, or write a unattented script to take care of it. I think you missed my point completely. It had nothing to do with scheduling or existing tools. It had more to do with the phrase, "When in Rome..." When you're in a UNIX environment, use that powerful stdin/stdout paradigm that UNIX is so famous for. My point was all about software engineering. * Everything is a filter. (default operation uses stdin/stdout) program < infile > outfile cat infile | program > outfile * Write tools that do one job well. (small, specialized tools) nmh mail for example * Multiple tools chained together complete work... (back to the importance of a filter) # display colorful output of my email bash$ folder +inbox; show 1 | grcat conf.show * The behavior of the program should not change given different input or output targets For an example of what not to emulate, check out the output of ls(1). Type it alone. Pipe it to a pager. Can you tell me what's different? * stdout should be useful to other filters * errors and debugging messages belong in stderr, including the famous "program --help" output. That's what redirection is useful for: program --help 2>&1 | $PAGER * quieter is better, i.e. bash$ cd ~ bash$ # INSTEAD OF bash$ cd ~ Changing to directory /home/chewie bash$ In other words, the first iteration of any program/tool/script should NOT be an interactive one. Interactive scripts or UI's that lead the operator around by the hand are often a detriment if they're designed from the top down. If, on the other hand, UI's are designed around sets of specialized tools, runnable from the command line and useful as filters, you have that powerful UNIX combination that has made so comfortable for us to use. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 5 05:18:05 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127152552.B8596@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:25:52PM -0600 References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> <20011127152552.B8596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011127165355.D14009@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:25:52PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > One of our clients just handed us an IBM Netfinity to work our magic on. I > have to say, this is the nicest x86 box I've looked at (at least as far as > servers go). 3 serial ports (one just for serial console); tons of > diagnostic LEDs on the mobo; diagnostic port on the mobo; big fans; > reasonably sensible power button design (recessed, small button, with a big > bezel around it; easy to find, hard to push accidentally); the BIOS will log > POST and boot error messages; and there's some sort of diagnostic > coprocessor, like a lot of IBMs big iron; case is easy to work on; drive > sleds are easy to push & pull. > > it's a couple of years old (1999); so I don't know if they're the same > anymore; but this thing is awfully nice. We've got a recent-model Netfinity at work and it's a pretty sweet box, no doubt about it. Everything but the motherboard, RAM, and CPUs is hot-swappable with both internal and external LEDs to indicate failed parts. The power supply latches are a bit too stiff to add/remove them without a bit of effort (but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that that's by design) and 2.4-series kernels (at least up to 2.4.5; I haven't tried anything more recent) don't recognize the internal channel on the SCSI controller, but 2.2.19 works great. I'd like to have one at home, but there are other things I'd rather do with that kind of money... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 5 06:15:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] razor anti-spam tools In-Reply-To: <20011205014646.Q13105@real-time.com> References: <20011203023259.D13105@real-time.com> <20011203184250.GF9177@wookimus.net> <20011205014646.Q13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011205045655.B29779@fandre.com> On Wed, 05 Dec 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Chad C. Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > > IMHO, junkfilter for procmail works just fine. ;-) > > Does junkfilter allow you to send stuff back to other people can use your effort > to keep even more spam out of your inbox? > 6. Forwarding missed spam junkfilter users who wish to see more of their spam caught by the filter in the future may wish to forward their spam (which was not caught by junkfilter) to an email address set up for this purpose. To do this, you should enable JF_OPT_SENDBACK in your junkfilter.config file. It's near the end. This will enable some settings that will mark each email that passes through junkfilter. If a spam has the headers added by this setting, it will be accepted at the email address . Spam sent here will be analysed and used to improve junkfilter. Only spam that has been missed by junkfilter will be of use. junkfilter must have JF_OPT_SENDBACK enabled to be of use. From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Wed Dec 5 06:25:23 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011204231908.A1952@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <200112051153.fB5Bri411460@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> One solution would be to get one of the webmail mailboxes that will harvest your pop accounts and use that instead. Then all your mail is on a large server with admins that shouldn't care what you have in your mailbox and one central place to get all your mail from. Of course if you keep lots of old mail it might require you to pay to have enough storage space. tim lupfer said: > On Dec 04 at 06:02PM Jay Kline wrote: > > > My, what an interesting concept. I find it interesting that > > so many people on this list feel the need to change a problem set. > > It happens quite often, and can be very frustrating for the person > > asking the question. Its ok to suggest a different approach, but > > if the person asking the question says something wont work, please > > dont dwell on it. > > [...] > > This rant is good, but I think a haiku would work much better with > your given software. > > -- > tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org > familiarity breeds contempt--and children. > --mark twain's notebook. > -- From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Dec 5 07:58:24 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's References: <3C03B2B5.5060000@gvtel.com> <20011205011819.L13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C0E207B.1C4B63A8@gvtel.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Robert Sinland (rsinland@gvtel.com): > > Is there a command or a program in Mandrake 8.1 that will > > let you select an RPM to install, and then install all the > > dependancies for it? > > It's called apt :-) > > The humor might be lost since you may not understand that it's a debian thing. I know, been been on the list at least that long. My problem is this...I have been looking at some older programs that use older versions of specific lib files. TKdesk for one example. Even when I d/led a statically linked binary it would not run. Others just refuse to compile, even after manually building and installing the the prerequisites... As I said in anothor post, my Linux is a bit rusty and predates RPM's.. RS > > > RPM is a good package tool, but not great. It's not very good a resolving > dependancies. Worse, it doesn't know how to fetch anything that related to > dependancies. > > You might want to look at the apt-for-rpm project which was posted to the list > recently. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Wed Dec 5 08:04:12 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0BF@postman.transition.com> Unless I am reading something wrong Mandrake 8.1 supports apt unless APT is something different?? "* URPMI: Automated software management systems URPMI (and APT) provide a hassle-free way to install and upgrade applications." http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/features.php3 Anyone tried it? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:18 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's Quoting Robert Sinland (rsinland@gvtel.com): > Is there a command or a program in Mandrake 8.1 that will > let you select an RPM to install, and then install all the > dependancies for it? It's called apt :-) The humor might be lost since you may not understand that it's a debian thing. RPM is a good package tool, but not great. It's not very good a resolving dependancies. Worse, it doesn't know how to fetch anything that related to dependancies. You might want to look at the apt-for-rpm project which was posted to the list recently. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Wed Dec 5 09:34:16 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *laughing at her foolish mistake...* Ah, must have been a long day... I even looked at this page: http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ Doh! > > > You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on > > > the list? If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. uak From steveg at transition.com Wed Dec 5 09:41:07 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0C1@postman.transition.com> Ignore that. This is what you are looking for: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/urpmi.php3 Similar but not the same. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Grobe [mailto:steveg@transition.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:39 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's Unless I am reading something wrong Mandrake 8.1 supports apt unless APT is something different?? "* URPMI: Automated software management systems URPMI (and APT) provide a hassle-free way to install and upgrade applications." http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/features.php3 Anyone tried it? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:18 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's Quoting Robert Sinland (rsinland@gvtel.com): > Is there a command or a program in Mandrake 8.1 that will > let you select an RPM to install, and then install all the > dependancies for it? It's called apt :-) The humor might be lost since you may not understand that it's a debian thing. RPM is a good package tool, but not great. It's not very good a resolving dependancies. Worse, it doesn't know how to fetch anything that related to dependancies. You might want to look at the apt-for-rpm project which was posted to the list recently. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 5 09:44:51 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D16D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011205082751.G30908@fandre.com> What kind of box is it? What's the bottle-neck, the CPU? Is it time to upgrade? We could start a "New TCLUG Server" fund or something. That reminds me, I started to look into registering the TCLUG as non-profit, but as I started reading up on it, my head started to hurt with all that legal mumbo-jumbo. Anyone have experience with this type of thing? Anyone have free time to try and get this done? On Tue, 04 Dec 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Wow, I sent the message below at Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:03 -0600, and it > > didn't show up until today. Bob, do you have > > local_destination_concurrency_limit set really low? > > Box is just being pounded to crap with the Linux kernel archives.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 5 09:52:24 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's In-Reply-To: <20011205011819.L13105@real-time.com> References: <3C03B2B5.5060000@gvtel.com> <20011205011819.L13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011205084603.28812f77.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > RPM is a good package tool, but not great. It's not very good a > resolving dependancies. Worse, it doesn't know how to fetch anything > that related to dependancies. One thing I've been wondering, do Debian packages keep some sort of checksum on files that are installed? RPMs use MD5 hashes to verify the integrity of installed files. That's one thing I've been missing, but I might just not be finding the right dpkg option.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 001: Weak or no / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ signal detected. Upgrade \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) transmitter and retry. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All Im > asking is for a text based mail reader that works with Kmail. > Jay > As politically incorrect as it is to say so: pine. You have to symlink ~/mail to ~/Mail or reconfigure pine's setup but the two programs are cross-compatible. You might need to tinker with inbox settings as well to get a complete match. BTW: I tried mutt again with the "pinerc" from the distribution. I'm still not using it. It has major problems. I'd rather use elm or mh. -- Daniel Taylor From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Dec 5 09:59:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378160@DDMAIL> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Mary Ayala wrote: > Which brings up pet peeve - When are virus creators going to learn how to > spell and use proper grammar? When people over the age of 13 start writing them :-) -Brian From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 5 10:05:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Blade Message-ID: <20011205093006.I30908@fandre.com> This is kinda cool. The first OS they will offer is Linux, followed by Windows 3 months later, then HP-UX at the end of the year. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011204/tc/tech_hewlettpackard_blades_dc_3.html From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Dec 5 10:57:01 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi card Message-ID: <009a01c17da3$20359bd0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I want to attach a HP Surestore tape 5000 to my Redhat 7.1 box. Is there a scsi card that would be recommended for this setup? Raymond From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 5 10:58:52 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011205094659.L30908@fandre.com> On Wed, 05 Dec 2001, uak wrote: > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. Sorry, but that position is already filled. From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Wed Dec 5 11:10:45 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> Hear, hear. Comments like Ben's only add to the animosity people feel toward linux. We should always be a welcoming community. Petre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/5/01, 7:50:30 AM, uak wrote regarding RE: [TCLUG] archived threads: > > > > > You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on > > > > the list? > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. > uak > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 11:25:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? Message-ID: One of my friend's families has two computers, an old Gateway Pentium 75, and a P2-333 I built for them (Tyan MB, good quality components.) She was checking her e-mail (Hotmail) the other day, expecing an attachment from a friend of hers. Well, there was an e-mail from that friend, and she tried to open it on the P2-333, but the message "just came up blank" (which makes me expect Badtrans, as that's how it generally appears). So, she tried it on the P75, same thing. The next day, she said that the P2-333 locked up, and she went to reboot it. When she rebooted it, it just started beeping (it's the POST beep.. didn't write down the sequence of beeps yet.). She called me, and I told her something probably went bad. Funny thing is, two days later, the P75 started developing problems with it's printer, and then all of the sudden, it locked up, when she tried to reboot it, it did the exact same thing as the P2-333. My best guess on this is that the virus that was in that message contained some code to erase the CMOS or something along those lines. I heard someone mention that one of the viruses going around can do this in unusual cases, but didn't really pay much attention to it. Anyone know more than I do about this? I suppose it's possible that there was a major power surge that sent both of them spiraling down, but they are both behind good quality surge protectors, etc, so it'd have to be a pretty big spike.. I haven't taken the computers home and ripped them apart to figure out what the exact problem is yet, but when I do that might give a little more info. Needless to say, I set them up with a new P3-733, and they aren't going to be using it on the 'net until it's got a virus scanner set to update daily automatically. :) I wish I could convert them to Linux, but, not that family yet.. heh! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Dec 5 12:53:09 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > The next day, she said that the P2-333 locked up, and she went to reboot > it. When she rebooted it, it just started beeping (it's the POST beep.. > didn't write down the sequence of beeps yet.). She called me, and I told > her something probably went bad. Funny thing is, two days later, the P75 > started developing problems with it's printer, and then all of the sudden, > it locked up, when she tried to reboot it, it did the exact same thing as > the P2-333. There is a virus out there (so many viruses, too many names, sorry I don't remember which one) that flashes your BIOS when certain conditions are met. Definitely a possibility in this case. Browse around on SARC and you can probably find the gory details. -Brian From fertch at mninter.net Wed Dec 5 13:01:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120512560400.06701@bleys> An option that might be worth looking into is to get the latest BIOS flash utility for the systems and try to reload that. Never had this particular situation, but first thing I can think of. Shawn From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Dec 5 13:13:03 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> References: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> Message-ID: <1007576467.12282.11.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Perhaps, but just like Sesame Street, TCLUG wouldn't be the same without it's resident grouch. Brady > Hear, hear. Comments like Ben's only add to the animosity people feel > toward linux. We should > always be a welcoming community. > > Petre > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 12/5/01, 7:50:30 AM, uak wrote regarding RE: [TCLUG] > archived threads: > > > > > > > > You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on > > > > > the list? > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. > > > uak From blayer at qwest.net Wed Dec 5 13:20:36 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011205123918.0fa389b3.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:33:22 -0600 (CST) "Nate Carlson" wrote: > My best guess on this is that the virus that was in that message contained > some code to erase the CMOS or something along those lines. I heard > someone mention that one of the viruses going around can do this in > unusual cases, but didn't really pay much attention to it. Anyone know > more than I do about this? Chernobyl virus attacks by reprogramming a flash BIOS chip with garbage, this has a way of killing the computer. Also, it is theoretically possible for a virus to scramble CMOS settings to create an unbootable condition, for instance: improper CPU multiplier or busspeed, DRAM RAS/CAS timings, wait states, PCI or ISA bus speed etc. I'd do a hard CMOS reset on both (pull the battery or CMOS jumper and wait a spell) and see if either responds. Could be coincidence too; that P75 must be getting to the end of life for it's CMOS battery, and when it dies, these type of symptoms may manifest. They used to say that you cannot harm a computer by anything you type on the keyboard. I don't believe it anymore. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 5 13:45:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D192@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Chernobyl. My girlfriend's parents got hit with it. In fact, their whole family got hit with it, about 10 different computers in all. Everyone went out and bought new ones at Best Buy. I just got a board and a Duron for her parent's, and they ended up paying only about $200 for a new and faster board/chip. Chernobyl wipes the bios. No way to fix it except to send it in to the manufacturer. I made sure I got them a board with a read-only jumper for the bios so that won't happen again. And Norton AV 2002, which requires no user interaction to get it's virus updates. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:33 AM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? > > > One of my friend's families has two computers, an old Gateway > Pentium 75, and a P2-333 I built for them (Tyan MB, good > quality components.) > > She was checking her e-mail (Hotmail) the other day, expecing > an attachment from a friend of hers. Well, there was an > e-mail from that friend, and she tried to open it on the > P2-333, but the message "just came up blank" (which makes me > expect Badtrans, as that's how it generally appears). So, she > tried it on the P75, same thing. > > The next day, she said that the P2-333 locked up, and she > went to reboot it. When she rebooted it, it just started > beeping (it's the POST beep.. didn't write down the sequence > of beeps yet.). She called me, and I told her something > probably went bad. Funny thing is, two days later, the P75 > started developing problems with it's printer, and then all > of the sudden, it locked up, when she tried to reboot it, it > did the exact same thing as the P2-333. > > My best guess on this is that the virus that was in that > message contained some code to erase the CMOS or something > along those lines. I heard someone mention that one of the > viruses going around can do this in unusual cases, but didn't > really pay much attention to it. Anyone know more than I do > about this? > > I suppose it's possible that there was a major power surge > that sent both of them spiraling down, but they are both > behind good quality surge protectors, etc, so it'd have to be > a pretty big spike.. I haven't taken the computers home and > ripped them apart to figure out what the exact problem is > yet, but when I do that might give a little more info. > > Needless to say, I set them up with a new P3-733, and they > aren't going to be using it on the 'net until it's got a > virus scanner set to update daily automatically. :) I wish > I could convert them to Linux, but, not that family yet.. heh! > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rudie at sihope.com Wed Dec 5 13:54:20 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed Message-ID: <20011205130723.264d24e3.rudie@sihope.com> I am looking for a Cisco 675 or Cisco 678 DSL router with management cable. I have posted to the TCLUG classifieds with no responses yet. Please see my ad under "Computer stuff Wanted". I am in need of this sooner than later, like, before the installfest. I can travel to your location to pick it up. Thanks for your time. -Kevin Hinze -- "Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." - Carl Jung From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 13:59:20 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: <01120512560400.06701@bleys> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Shawn wrote: > An option that might be worth looking into is to get the latest BIOS flash > utility for the systems and try to reload that. > > Never had this particular situation, but first thing I can think of. Yeah, going to give it a shot. The Gateway P75 is an Intel board, so I'm not sure if they have the hot key sequence to do BIOS recovery. I'm fairly sure that Tyan will.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 5 14:00:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D193@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can't reload the bios. The bios controls booting from the floppy drive, so there's no way to reload it. Chicken and egg problem. Kind of like when you lock your keys in your car, and you think "If I only had some keys, then I could get in and get my keys". :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:56 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? > > > An option that might be worth looking into is to get the > latest BIOS flash > utility for the systems and try to reload that. > > Never had this particular situation, but first thing I can think of. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Dec 5 14:16:28 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] just some thoughts Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] References: Message-ID: <3C0E76E0.7080909@sodatrain.com> Its just a bummer, the number of 'i am available for work' postings on this list and the lack of 'position open jobs' I had hopes of finding a linux sys admin job, and having it MAYBE come from this list. However, im working as a general tech. consultant now. gone from a sys admin at a linux company in boston, to working for small shops doing basic network 'stuff'. I had asked about the linux job sceene in MN back in the spring, and one person put it best: Jason Sowers Wrote: my personal opinion (and I haven't lived down here that long) which may not hold water: stay in Boston. Pickin's are a little slim around here in the Linux World. I wonder what it is that makes linux/unix more accepted and used out east (guessing california too). Are companies more conservative here, just that much more progressive elsewhere, or something else. duncan From thomas at stderr.net Wed Dec 5 14:24:24 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011205.16003700@gromit.>; from petre.scheie@nextelpartners.com on Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 04:00:37PM +0000 References: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> Message-ID: <20011205203830.P24004@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 04:00:37PM +0000, Petre Scheie wrote: > Hear, hear. Comments like Ben's only add to the animosity people feel > toward linux. We should > always be a welcoming community. Who says Ben isn't welcoming the community? So idiot Ben is a bad guy for pointing out the obvious? If I remember anything from what is being posted to the list Ben certainly isn't the one shy of helping newcomers! my $cent = 2; # for adding gas to the raging fire! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 14:28:43 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: <20011205123918.0fa389b3.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Chernobyl virus attacks by reprogramming a flash BIOS chip with garbage, > this has a way of killing the computer. Also, it is theoretically possible > for a virus to scramble CMOS settings to create an unbootable condition, > for instance: improper CPU multiplier or busspeed, DRAM RAS/CAS timings, > wait states, PCI or ISA bus speed etc. > > I'd do a hard CMOS reset on both (pull the battery or CMOS jumper and wait > a spell) and see if either responds. Could be coincidence too; that P75 > must be getting to the end of life for it's CMOS battery, and when it > dies, these type of symptoms may manifest. Already gave that a shot; I'm going to try reflashing the bios on the Tyan board, see if it makes any difference. Annoying, it is.. > They used to say that you cannot harm a computer by anything you type on > the keyboard. I don't believe it anymore. I haven't believed that for a long time. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 5 14:55:55 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D192@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: > Chernobyl wipes the bios. No way to fix it except to send it in to the > manufacturer. I made sure I got them a board with a read-only jumper for > the bios so that won't happen again. And Norton AV 2002, which requires no > user interaction to get it's virus updates. maybe cheaper to buy a replacement bios, e.g., from mrbios.com Andy From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Wed Dec 5 15:05:21 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <20011203130042.AF6884704@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> <3C0D45AB.6007C2A@indivisuallearning.com> <20011205000409.47BB1470B@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> Message-ID: <3C0E7CCE.579AEDB1@indivisuallearning.com> Jay Kline wrote: > > My, what an interesting concept. I find it interesting that so many > people on this list feel the need to change a problem set. It happens quite > often, and can be very frustrating for the person asking the question. Its > ok to suggest a different approach, but if the person asking the question > says something wont work, please dont dwell on it. > > Sorry, I cant run a second server, or run IMAP. I have my reasons. All Im > asking is for a text based mail reader that works with Kmail. Well. The only reason you gave for not running a server was because you had no static IP. Unless I missed something. The IMAP statement simply amused me. :-) sim From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Dec 5 15:07:32 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? Message-ID: I'm sure you're probably aware of this product, and it won't help you now but it could help prevent any future BIOS problems. It's called the BIOS savior and there's a review of it here: http://www.tweakmax.com/html/biossavior/biossavior-1.cfm > You can't reload the bios. The bios controls booting from > the floppy drive, > so there's no way to reload it. Chicken and egg problem. > > Kind of like when you lock your keys in your car, and you > think "If I only > had some keys, then I could get in and get my keys". :) > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:56 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? > > > > > > An option that might be worth looking into is to get the > > latest BIOS flash > > utility for the systems and try to reload that. > > > > Never had this particular situation, but first thing I can think of. > > > > > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Dec 5 15:25:25 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] just some thoughts Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378169@DDMAIL> If it helps, the fashions on the east coast and california take about a year and a half to get here. Is this related? The world may never know. One thing I do know is that there is no shortage of paper MCSE's. -----Original Message----- From: duncan [mailto:duncan@sodatrain.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:35 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org; tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] just some thoughts Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Its just a bummer, the number of 'i am available for work' postings on this list and the lack of 'position open jobs' I had hopes of finding a linux sys admin job, and having it MAYBE come from this list. However, im working as a general tech. consultant now. gone from a sys admin at a linux company in boston, to working for small shops doing basic network 'stuff'. I had asked about the linux job sceene in MN back in the spring, and one person put it best: Jason Sowers Wrote: my personal opinion (and I haven't lived down here that long) which may not hold water: stay in Boston. Pickin's are a little slim around here in the Linux World. I wonder what it is that makes linux/unix more accepted and used out east (guessing california too). Are companies more conservative here, just that much more progressive elsewhere, or something else. duncan _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Dec 5 16:08:22 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Dec 6th Message-ID: Hey folks- We'll be meeting at Barley John's Brewpub tomorrow. All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Wed Dec 5 16:25:24 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011205203830.P24004@io.stderr.net> References: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> <20011205203830.P24004@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011205.21235400@gromit.> It's not what Ben said, it's how he said it: > > > > > You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on > > > > the list? > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. > uak I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is 'welcoming' and neither did uak apparently. Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/5/01, 1:38:31 PM, Thomas Eibner wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 04:00:37PM +0000, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Hear, hear. Comments like Ben's only add to the animosity people feel > > toward linux. We should > > always be a welcoming community. > Who says Ben isn't welcoming the community? So idiot Ben is a bad guy > for pointing out the obvious? If I remember anything from what is > being posted to the list Ben certainly isn't the one shy of helping > newcomers! > my $cent = 2; # for adding gas to the raging fire! > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 5 16:38:17 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D193@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D193@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011205154706.4ec42982.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > You can't reload the bios. The bios controls booting from the floppy > drive, so there's no way to reload it. Chicken and egg problem. True, but many systems require a valid checksum on the BIOS, or they resort to running a hard-coded version that can at least handle reading a new flash off of a floppy. I ran into this one time.. I'm glad that it actually worked, or I probably would have broken something either in the computer or in me.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bush makes me wanna Ralph. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E073519A9@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Cool product.. from reading the review..it may just help him..he can install it on his PC, flash it and then install it on the crippled pc's, boot up with the alternate bios, flip the switch and then flash it again.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hvidsten, Leif [SMTP:hvidsl@parknicollet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:08 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? > > I'm sure you're probably aware of this product, and it won't help you now > but it could help prevent any future BIOS problems. It's called the BIOS > savior and there's a review of it here: > http://www.tweakmax.com/html/biossavior/biossavior-1.cfm > > > You can't reload the bios. The bios controls booting from > > the floppy drive, > > so there's no way to reload it. Chicken and egg problem. > > > > Kind of like when you lock your keys in your car, and you > > think "If I only > > had some keys, then I could get in and get my keys". :) > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:56 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? > > > > > > > > > An option that might be worth looking into is to get the > > > latest BIOS flash > > > utility for the systems and try to reload that. > > > > > > Never had this particular situation, but first thing I can think of. > > > > > > > > > Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business > confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended > for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this > in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbutler2 at mmm.com Wed Dec 5 16:39:10 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] just some thoughts Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Message-ID: >If it helps, the fashions on the east coast and california take about a year >and a half to get here. Is this related? The world may never know. One >thing I do know is that there is no shortage of paper MCSE's. Too true- Does anyone remember disco in the midwest? Good reason why not, we never actually "got" disco... this is actually a reason I tend to like living here, we are somewhat (at least prior to massive media) insulated from silly fads. Don't get me wrong, I think we are behind on technology, no question, but that also seems to be a standard of midwestern business ("fly over" area), they are conservative in their direction and pace, and they tend to like to ride behind the leaders in business as well. THis isn't to say that we suck and don't know what we're doing, but to say that sometimes, caution is the better part of valor (or however my dad's old quote went). Basically, there's nothing wrong with being somewhat behind if you are there for a reason and you use it to your advantage. But we can't stay there forever, and we need to move forward at some point, I've also seen the businesses that refuse to change, they die off in time, but it takes a while. Later, mbutler From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 5 16:50:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D118@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Are you using Exchange Server for Outlook? Yes. It's exchange 5.5 too, so the web interface sucks bigtime. If it was exchange 2000, it wouldn't be so bad, the new web interface is very nice, MS must've bought it from someone. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:02 PM > To: tclug > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 10:21, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email > application > that > > can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the > scheduling stuff > > to > be > > integrated with everyone elses. > > > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is > the best so > > far (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new > > mail it retreives everything instead of starting where it > left off. > > So each check for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. > I've been using ximian gnome and evolution to read my mail > via IMAP without issue for about a month. I love it. > > Outlook doesn't have vfolders, or do gpg....nuff said. > > > > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person > > (or at least happier than I am right now). > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set > them on fire." > - George Carlin _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Wed Dec 5 18:12:39 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011205.21235400@gromit.>; from petre.scheie@nextelpartners.com on Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 09:23:54PM +0000 References: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> <20011205203830.P24004@io.stderr.net> <20011205.21235400@gromit.> Message-ID: <20011205234354.Q24004@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 09:23:54PM +0000, Petre Scheie wrote: > It's not what Ben said, it's how he said it: > > > > > > > You should feel shame. See those links at the bottom of _every_ mail on > > > > > the list? > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. > > > uak > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is 'welcoming' and > neither did uak apparently. > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across that way. I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the insulting part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even though it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in fact it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the nice info in it. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From djp at visi.com Wed Dec 5 18:13:20 2001 From: djp at visi.com (Doug Pomerenke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: <20011205130723.264d24e3.rudie@sihope.com> References: <20011205130723.264d24e3.rudie@sihope.com> Message-ID: <1007592189.2491.6.camel@dornier> I have a Cisco 675 with the cable that I'm willing to sell. On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 01:07, K Hinze wrote: > I am looking for a Cisco 675 or Cisco 678 DSL router with management cable. > I have posted to the TCLUG classifieds with no responses yet. Please see my > ad under "Computer stuff Wanted". I am in need of this sooner than later, > like, before the installfest. I can travel to your location to pick it up. > Thanks for your time. > > -Kevin Hinze > -- > "Everything that irritates us about others can > lead us to an understanding of ourselves." > - Carl Jung > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Dec 5 18:21:59 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537816C@DDMAIL> IBM's new Domino server might be worth looking into. It fully support Outlook. I don't know about the Linux thing. Just an idea (I do try and be helpful, sometimes.);) Mary -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:03 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > Are you using Exchange Server for Outlook? Yes. It's exchange 5.5 too, so the web interface sucks bigtime. If it was exchange 2000, it wouldn't be so bad, the new web interface is very nice, MS must've bought it from someone. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:02 PM > To: tclug > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 10:21, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email > application > that > > can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the > scheduling stuff > > to > be > > integrated with everyone elses. > > > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is > the best so > > far (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new > > mail it retreives everything instead of starting where it > left off. > > So each check for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. > I've been using ximian gnome and evolution to read my mail > via IMAP without issue for about a month. I love it. > > Outlook doesn't have vfolders, or do gpg....nuff said. > > > > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person > > (or at least happier than I am right now). > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set > them on fire." > - George Carlin _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Dec 5 19:14:48 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011205234354.Q24004@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: Well she has the info now, so its all good now, right? Hey look! a dead horse! Let's beat it! ~j > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the insulting > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even though > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in fact > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the nice > info in it. From amy at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 19:20:34 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/lprng problem Message-ID: <20011205182533.F18760@real-time.com> I've got a samba print server that's authenticating to a Win2K server. Everything works great, EXCEPT... when the banner page prints, it prints as user nobody, unless that account happens to have a unix account on the print server. From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 5 19:21:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest Message-ID: I'm planning on coming to the installfest with a bin or two of various cards, drives, cases, power supplies, and whatever else. For one thing, I have 2 full tower cases, one AT and one ATX. They are not beautiful, but they will work, and they are free. I also have 4-5 power supplies that work, and would be suitable for an older machine (not athlon or p4, since they're 250W). And a couple ISA modems and other stuff. I'll go through the cabinets and boxes over the next couple days to see what else I can pull in there. I bring this up since it may prompt other people to bring similar hand-me-downs. On a previous occasion we got enough stuff to build a working box for a lucky user. Andy From uak at nerp.net Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: <1007592189.2491.6.camel@dornier> Message-ID: All, I just got my (Cisco 678) DSL hooked up again (upon moving). I don't know the specifics, but there seemed to be some issue about Cisco 675 routers being incompatible (sp?) with the upgraded DSL that I now receive from Qworst. They sent me another router even though I did not request it. It was the 675 and for some reasons, it would not have worked with my set-up anyway. Anyone know more about why 640K might not work with a 675? uak PS. Thanks to everyone who clarified the obvious about that archive link: http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/2000/Sep/msg00907.html On 5 Dec 2001, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > I have a Cisco 675 with the cable that I'm willing to sell. > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 01:07, K Hinze wrote: > > I am looking for a Cisco 675 or Cisco 678 DSL router with management cable. From uak at nerp.net Wed Dec 5 20:03:06 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a mouse that someone can have. Small contribution, but something useful. uak PS. It has a gateway cow box symbol on it (sorry). On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I'm planning on coming to the installfest with a bin or two of various > cards, drives, cases, power supplies, and whatever else. > > For one thing, I have 2 full tower cases, one AT and one ATX. They are not > beautiful, but they will work, and they are free. I also have 4-5 power > supplies that work, and would be suitable for an older machine (not athlon > or p4, since they're 250W). And a couple ISA modems and other stuff. I'll > go through the cabinets and boxes over the next couple days to see what > else I can pull in there. > > I bring this up since it may prompt other people to bring similar > hand-me-downs. On a previous occasion we got enough stuff to build a > working box for a lucky user. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Dec 5 20:16:55 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Dec 6th Message-ID: Hey folks- We'll be meeting at Barley John's Brewpub tomorrow. All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 5 20:17:32 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011205234354.Q24004@io.stderr.net> References: <20011205.16003700@gromit.> <20011205203830.P24004@io.stderr.net> <20011205.21235400@gromit.> <20011205234354.Q24004@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <1007600154.1370.0.camel@minime> On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it. > > > > > uak > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is 'welcoming' and > > neither did uak apparently. > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across that way. oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question an idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone disagree with that statement? Who else was thinking it? Oh and to further add insult to injury.... Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group" in the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to the mailing lists and thier archives. Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to answer.... > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the insulting > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even though > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in fact > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the nice > info in it. Don't defend me Thom, let em whine. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011205/4c872107/attachment.pgp From atebbe at real-time.com Wed Dec 5 20:18:18 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/lprng problem In-Reply-To: <20011205182533.F18760@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 06:25:33PM -0600 References: <20011205182533.F18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011205195310.C27390@real-time.com> Nevermind - I guess I need more sleep. It helps to take out the word 'default' in the lpd.conf. On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 06:25:33PM -0600, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > I've got a samba print server that's authenticating to a Win2K server. > Everything works great, EXCEPT... > > when the banner page prints, it prints as user nobody, unless that account > happens to have a unix account on the print server. > > From reading LPRng howto, to fix this, you put > > allow_user_setting=nobody > > in lpd.conf (replace nobody with whatever the smb process is running as) > > ..to allow the samba process to pass through the actual user since by > default root is the only user that can do that. I've tried this but it still > doesn't work. > > Any one get this to work? Any ideas? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Dec 5 21:15:11 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is more to do with the type of DSL connection, newer DSL lines are DMT, the Cisco 678 supports both DMT and CAP(the other ?older? kind) but the Cisco 675 only works with CAP Sorry i do not have more specifics but google for some CAT vs DMT articles and you are bound to find something. -munir On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, uak wrote: > All, > I just got my (Cisco 678) DSL hooked up again (upon moving). > > I don't know the specifics, but there seemed to be some issue about > Cisco 675 routers being incompatible (sp?) with the upgraded DSL that I > now receive from Qworst. > > They sent me another router even though I did not request it. It was the > 675 and for some reasons, it would not have worked with my set-up anyway. > > Anyone know more about why 640K might not work with a 675? > uak > PS. Thanks to everyone who clarified the obvious about that archive > link: > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/2000/Sep/msg00907.html > > On 5 Dec 2001, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > > > I have a Cisco 675 with the cable that I'm willing to sell. > > > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 01:07, K Hinze wrote: > > > I am looking for a Cisco 675 or Cisco 678 DSL router with management cable. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From jspinti at rr.mn.com Wed Dec 5 21:18:42 2001 From: jspinti at rr.mn.com (james) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> On Wednesday 05 December 2001 06:25 pm, andy@theasis.com wrote: > I'm planning on coming to the installfest with a bin or two of various > cards, drives, cases, power supplies, and whatever else. > > For one thing, I have 2 full tower cases, one AT and one ATX. They are not > beautiful, but they will work, and they are free. I also have 4-5 power > supplies that work, and would be suitable for an older machine (not athlon > or p4, since they're 250W). And a couple ISA modems and other stuff. I'll > go through the cabinets and boxes over the next couple days to see what > else I can pull in there. > > I bring this up since it may prompt other people to bring similar > hand-me-downs. On a previous occasion we got enough stuff to build a > working box for a lucky user. > > Andy I am planning on bringing some stuff too. Mainly older stuff, three 486/33 MB (2 w/RAM), some older video cards (ISA & PCI), i/o & controller cards (ISA & VLB), older modems, four small (170MB/120MB) HDs, a couple of NICs, some short RAM sticks (1 & 4 MB), one 32 MB PC66 SDRAM, etc. No cases. I also have a couple of 5 1/2" 360 KB drives if anybody is interested...I wasn't planning on bringing them, but can. I just cleaned up my basement again, can you tell :) Question, do you need any hubs for Saturday, I could bring an 8 port and possibly a 16 port if necessary. James From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Dec 5 21:28:19 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't make it to the installfest, working at a First Lego League tournament (http://www.hightechkids.org/fll), but if you still have an ATX case and power supply, I could sure use one of each. writes: > I'm planning on coming to the installfest with a bin or two of various > cards, drives, cases, power supplies, and whatever else. > > For one thing, I have 2 full tower cases, one AT and one ATX. They are not > beautiful, but they will work, and they are free. I also have 4-5 power > supplies that work, and would be suitable for an older machine (not athlon > or p4, since they're 250W). And a couple ISA modems and other stuff. I'll > go through the cabinets and boxes over the next couple days to see what > else I can pull in there. > > I bring this up since it may prompt other people to bring similar > hand-me-downs. On a previous occasion we got enough stuff to build a > working box for a lucky user. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jack at jacku.com Wed Dec 5 22:22:39 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120521175700.00849@geezer> On Wednesday 05 December 2001 13:13, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Shawn wrote: > > An option that might be worth looking into is to get the latest BIOS > > flash utility for the systems and try to reload that. > > > > Never had this particular situation, but first thing I can think of. > > Yeah, going to give it a shot. > > The Gateway P75 is an Intel board, so I'm not sure if they have the hot > key sequence to do BIOS recovery. > > I'm fairly sure that Tyan will.. Depending on the vintage of Intel board it may have a "configuration jumper". Its usually an obvious color (bright blue or purple I seem to remember) and when the system is powered on with it "on" it goes directly into the boards "initial setup" mode. Now the ones I had direct experience on were slot 1 P2/Celeron boards but they may have used this with the earlier boards as well. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From uak at nerp.net Wed Dec 5 22:25:18 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah! Cheers! That was exactly what I was trying to remember. I will dig around for more info. Yep. I have "DMT" now. If I find anything interesting, I will pass it along. uak On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > It is more to do with the type of DSL connection, newer DSL lines are DMT, > the Cisco 678 supports both DMT and CAP(the other ?older? kind) but the > Cisco 675 only works with CAP > > Sorry i do not have more specifics but google for some CAT vs DMT articles > and you are bound to find something. > > -munir > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, uak wrote: > > > All, > > I just got my (Cisco 678) DSL hooked up again (upon moving). > > > > I don't know the specifics, but there seemed to be some issue about > > Cisco 675 routers being incompatible (sp?) with the upgraded DSL that I > > now receive from Qworst. From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Wed Dec 5 22:27:32 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest In-Reply-To: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> References: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <01120521242900.06276@edith> Well, I could have brought some old stuff, just that it got covered in sewage when the basement backed up (ish)... Tossed it instead.... Oh well.. Kelly (Stinky Basement) Black From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Dec 5 22:27:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > Sorry i do not have more specifics but google for some CAT vs DMT articles > and you are bound to find something. I seem to remember a discussion early this year about DMT vs CAP, some really nice writeups are in the archives somewhere. *insert Ben's witty comments here* -Brian From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 5 22:28:45 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest In-Reply-To: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> References: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011205214228.B12091@fandre.com> On Wed, 05 Dec 2001, james wrote: > Question, do you need any hubs for Saturday, I could bring an 8 port and > possibly a 16 port if necessary. > Yes, please bring as much networking eq as possible. Especially cables. It's better to have too much than not enough. From dan at williamsongraphics.com Wed Dec 5 22:29:27 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan@williamsongraphics.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <1007610153.3c0ee929de2e2@www.williamsongraphics.com> It has something to do with DSL getting standards. They are not using cap(?) anymore but are using DMT. Thats why a 675 wont work, a newer 678 will tho. The only reason a 675 will work is if the line has been grand-fathered in, if you upgrade your line or get a new one, you will have to use a 678 w/dmt. e-bay has 678's for around $70. Hope this helps. Dan All, I just got my (Cisco 678) DSL hooked up again (upon moving). I don't know the specifics, but there seemed to be some issue about Cisco 675 routers being incompatible (sp?) with the upgraded DSL that I now receive from Qworst. They sent me another router even though I did not request it. It was the 675 and for some reasons, it would not have worked with my set-up anyway. Anyone know more about why 640K might not work with a 675? uak From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 5 22:34:51 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UUM Meeting, MS Antitrust, Intellectual Property Message-ID: <20011205221916.5f111cab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I attended the Unix Users of Minnesota [http://www.uum.org/] meeting this evening. Mike Jacobs, an assistant to the Minnesota Attorney General, was supposed to speak and discuss the Microsoft Antitrust Suit, but apparently had to pull out of the talk. We still had a talk. In particular, it covered the Tunney Act comment period for a Judicial swipe at Microsoft. In addition, discussion eventually led to the creation of a mailing list for the purpose of putting together an Intellectual Property summit, to strike back at the Legislative movements that have been taking place over the past several years. Chris Hertel, an employee of the Networking and Telecommunications Services at the University of Minnesota spoke instead. Chris has talked to people in the Attorney General's office because he is a member of the Samba development team. It was repeated over and over that people should try to read through the tentative settlement between the Department of Justice and Microsoft, and comment on it if at all possible. There is a 60-day comment period running now in accordance with the Tunney Act. The settlement was tentatively agreed to on November 6th, so it appears that we're about halfway through the process. Read through the documents at http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms-settle.htm and write some coherent comments. If you have trouble with that, get a computer or a friend to do spelling and grammar checking. Avoid ellipses (...) and other e-mail shorthand. Apparently the legal documents are pretty poorly written, so you'll probably want to have large quantities of your favorite stimulant-laden beverage available. Submit your comments to microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov with `Microsoft Settlement' as the subject. There are snail-mail and fax options as well, but I wouldn't send it via USPS these days.. It's recommended that you CC the Minnesota AG. A good e-mail address to send to appears to be attorney.general@state.mn.us. Other contact methods are available at http://www.ag.state.mn.us/Contact/Default.htm Also, you may wish to CC a media outlet. Minnesota Public Radio and National Public Radio are likely some of the best options, but it wouldn't hurt to send a copy to the Pioneer Press, Star Trib, MN Daily, or any TV/Radio station. Toward the end of the meeting, the Minnesota Intellectual Property Rights Summit mailing list was created. Information about the group (how to subscribe, etc) is available at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mnipsummit/ The intention of the list is to pull together people from different groups in Minnesota (Linux user groups, fair copyright groups, etc.), and to put together a summit where some intelligent people in technology and other fields can get together with US Representatives and Senators (and their technologically- and scientifically-minded advisors) to discuss what can be done to pull back on our country's laws, and make sure that they serve the best interest of the people, and not the nation-states that pass as corporations these days. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A living example of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Artificial Intelligence. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011205/4c26bc2d/attachment.pgp From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Wed Dec 5 23:32:01 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378160@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <3C0EF934.3040301@baldwin-telecom.net> But the mis-spellings help me identify the email as bad. :-) Mary Ayala wrote: > Which brings up pet peeve - When are virus creators going to learn how to > spell and use proper grammar? Sorry I had to vent. There I feel better, > how about you? ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Ayala [mailto:Mary@designerdoors.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:37 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached > > > The subjec line has Hi in it the attachment is Gone.scr and the body will > say something like: > How are you ? When I saw this screen saver, I immediately thought about you. > I am in a harry, I promise you will love it! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:03 PM > To: Tclug-List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] E-mail with screen saver attached > > > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:30:30PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > >>Anybody know anything about a new virus? Here at work we have been >> > getting > >>hit with a bunch of unsolicited e-mails with a screen saver attached. I >>looked around the Internet and haven't found anything. I am blocking them >>at the firewall, but would like to know what's going on :) >> > > What's the subject line and the name of the attachment? > > From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Thu Dec 6 01:24:30 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537812E@DDMAIL> I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM is producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well with Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about > 50K messages > in a mailbox? I'm on many different mailing lists for various software packages, security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get nearly 1000 messages a day, and most get deleted. I delete what I can do without, but I really need to keep as much around as possible in case I need to look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail from late 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and find stuff from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 months later. One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses IMAP to pull mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. Outlook connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange server, not the IMAP port. Exchange sends notifications to the client when new mail arrives also, with IMAP, you have to check every few minutes. Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and other things all together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. I'm much more productive now that I was at my last company where we had separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I think the concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just pulls and posts XML in the background. Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for Aethera? Or was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right now, there are no open standards for this type of thing, and there needs to be. Even better, whatever kind of server that ends up getting developed for linux needs to have some sort of connector to MS Exchange so companies could have a nice easy migration path, instead of just tearing out one system and replacing it with another. And it also needs to have some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes and Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large corporate environment without some sort of failover (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just replicate every database transaction to your standby server, and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, work to do on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. Jay > > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 04:10:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: server performance -- was RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D19C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> It's getting pounded with the kernel mailing list archives, or the ftp archives? Is it linux, or some other unix? Is syslog taking a ton of CPU? If so, you can almost eliminate that by putting a "-" in front of each filename in your /etc/syslog.conf file. So /var/log/maillog would become -/var/log/maillog. This tells syslog not to do an fsync on every single log line, it will hold some in memory, and write in bunches. (Note the the "-" trick only works in Linux AFAIK), Even if it's not taking a ton of CPU, it's still fighting for disk I/O with postfix, and you should use the "-" anyway. Also, I noticed about a 40% increase in speed with the postfix snapshot-20011127 over 20010808. You might wanna give that a shot. And putting your spool directory on the last partition on the disk helps a ton also, because the disk is spinning faster towards the outside edges. You can typically increase your seek times by a couple of milliseconds doing this, which doesn't sound like a lot, but over 10,000 seeks, this adds up to about 20 seconds, and when doing a run through the queue you can easily need to do that many seeks as fast as possible. I typically have a ton of mail on my postfix boxes, so moving my spool directory to the last partition on the disk has increased my performance by quite a bit. I've also started doing remote logging from all of my mailservers. By doing this, postfix doesn't have to fight at all with syslog for disk access, and that has also increased my performance. Basically, I went from an average of 160ms to inject a message into the queue using the default settings, to now about an average of 35ms for each message injected after tweaking everything. Installing the 20011127 snapshot brought me down from 60ms to 35ms just by itself. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:28 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse > > > What kind of box is it? What's the bottle-neck, the CPU? Is > it time to upgrade? We could start a "New TCLUG Server" fund > or something. > > That reminds me, I started to look into registering the TCLUG > as non-profit, but as I started reading up on it, my head > started to hurt with all that legal mumbo-jumbo. Anyone have > experience with this type of thing? Anyone have free time to > try and get this done? > > On Tue, 04 Dec 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Wow, I sent the message below at Tue, 27 Nov 2001 > 13:32:03 -0600, and it > > > didn't show up until today. Bob, do you have > > > local_destination_concurrency_limit set really low? > > > > Box is just being pounded to crap with the Linux kernel archives.. > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 07:00:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D119@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:53:51PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D119@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011128142359.A22631@real-time.com> > Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and > other things all together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. > I'm much more productive now that I was at my last company where we had > separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I think the > concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the implementations suck. maybe I should try to clarify my thoughts a bit more (as much for my own benefit as anything). integration is a good thing; lumping stuff together is not. GNOME's 'bonobo' architecture sounds like a good idea (tho I'm not a programmer so I don't fully understand it). I think it would be best to have a 'scheduler app' of some sort; which you could just 'connect' to various other applications. So when you run your scheduler and your mail client at the same time, you could click on an e-mail message, and choose a 'schedule event' from a drop-down list, fill out a quick dialog, and post it to the shared schedule repository (if you wanted to share it). you could also attach it to your web browser (schedule things like "hey everybody, look at this page when you have the time"), or your other document applications ("read this report before the meeting"). maybe I'm just pipe-dreaming here... I honestly have never touched Outlook's scheduling tools; and have no idea how people use them; or how it could be better, if someone would just generalize the component. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Dec 6 07:03:14 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for envelope masquerading In-Reply-To: <15365.14015.727342.614770@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Well, the smart-host configuration is working like a champ, but the > envelope masquerading isn't. Just doesn't seem to do anything. When > I look at mail I send out through sendmail, I just see > > @localhost.localdomain in your sendmail.cf you need to rewerite a rule to change your domainname, try adding this line: Djyourdomain.com -munir From phil at rephil.org Thu Dec 6 07:18:43 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: server performance -- was RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D19C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 12:51:49AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D19C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011206070216.A9488@rephil.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 12:51:49AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > And > putting your spool directory on the last partition on the disk helps a ton > also, because the disk is spinning faster towards the outside edges. You > can typically increase your seek times by a couple of milliseconds doing > this, which doesn't sound like a lot, but over 10,000 seeks, this adds up to > about 20 seconds, and when doing a run through the queue you can easily need > to do that many seeks as fast as possible. You're right about the rotational speed of the disk, but don't the sectors get wider as you get out there? If you move the head, the worst case is that you have to wait for a full revolution once you hit the right track, but angular velocity is the same everywhere, so I guess I'm not seeing how this gives you faster seek times. > I typically have a ton of mail > on my postfix boxes, so moving my spool directory to the last partition on > the disk has increased my performance by quite a bit. I've also started > doing remote logging from all of my mailservers. By doing this, postfix > doesn't have to fight at all with syslog for disk access, and that has also > increased my performance. > > Basically, I went from an average of 160ms to inject a message into the > queue using the default settings, to now about an average of 35ms for each > message injected after tweaking everything. Installing the 20011127 > snapshot brought me down from 60ms to 35ms just by itself. Doesn't this say that the disk partitioning had no measurable effect? Of course, putting it on a device that isn't being asked to fly off to other parts of the disk will be a big speed up, but I thought you had that already. I'm not arguing with you, just trying to get clear. Thanks, Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Dec 6 07:26:17 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing xinetd services In-Reply-To: <20011128131833.A13817@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > What is the best way to remove particular xinetd services from a box? I can > turn the service off, but would prefer to remove them entirely. i am not sure on what you mean by removing a certain service, if you mean not have the service activated then you can just add the "disable = yes" in that services config. or if you are certain that this particular service is not to be used again you can just delete this services entry in the config files If on the other hand you want to remove that particular service executable then apt-get remove(?uninstall), or rpm -e is what you are looking for. > > Can someone enlighten me on why certain services are run out of xinetd.d > vs init.d? Or point me to a URL explaining. Thank you. > I am not sure on the mechanics of it, but i seem to remember reading something concerning this on www.xinetd.org. -munir -- From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Dec 6 07:27:20 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for envelope masquerading In-Reply-To: <15365.14015.727342.614770@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15365.14015.727342.614770@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20011128.20303400@gromit.> I struggled with this at work a few months ago, and finally got it working. I wrote it all down in a webpage, mostly for my own reference; glad I did because a patch wiped out mail.cf and by that time I'd forgotten everything that I'd done. Anyway, you can read my notes on it at http://herd.plethora.net/~pscheie/unix/fixing_sendmail.html Petre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/28/01, 1:10:55 PM, "Robert P. Goldman" wrote regarding [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for envelope masquerading: > At home, I read and compose my email with VM in Xemacs. The only > problem wiht this from my standpoint is that sometimes it takes a long > time to send a message and the emacs will block while the SMTP > transaction goes on. > So I had the idea of installing sendmail and using envelope > masquerading and a smart host (there's a sendmail-address-rewriting > HOWTO about how to do this). Then my email would just leave emacs and > be slurped up by sendmail, effectively instantaneously, allowing me to > progress. > Well, the smart-host configuration is working like a champ, but the > envelope masquerading isn't. Just doesn't seem to do anything. When > I look at mail I send out through sendmail, I just see > @localhost.localdomain > I can't find anything in the sendmail doc to explain how to > troubleshoot this kind of problem. No options that suggest how to > watch a piece of mail enter sendmail and walk through all those rules > (and rules and rules and rules....). Anyone have any suggestions? > I suppose another alternative would just be to make myself a > trusted_user and then have emacs do the envelope masquerading.... > Thanks, > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 07:28:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing xinetd services In-Reply-To: <20011128131833.A13817@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:18:33PM -0600 References: <20011128131833.A13817@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011128143740.C22631@real-time.com> I've never really used xinetd; but here's some guesses based on what I know: > What is the best way to remove particular xinetd services from a box? I can > turn the service off, but would prefer to remove them entirely. delete the file for the service in /etc/xinetd.d/ > Can someone enlighten me on why certain services are run out of xinetd.d > vs init.d? Or point me to a URL explaining. Thank you. init.d is for daemons. xinetd replaces inetd; which is a 'super-daemon', which starts an instance of a service when someone makes a request for it. so if you didn't want to spend the memory and CPU resources to keep an FTP daemon running; you could just run it out of inetd/xinetd, and a process for it would only be started on those occasions when someone requests it. inetd/xinetd also use the 'tcpwrappers' library to control access to services; so you can put entries in /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny to allow or deny requests for those services that the super-daemon controls. (much easier than ipchains/iptables; tho not as universally useful). you can also play tricks like putting the following line in your /etc/inetd.conf file: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /bin/cat /dev/urandom which will cause a stream of random characters to be spewed at anyone who tries telnetting to your box. :) I'm sure there's a similar thing to do for xinetd. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Dec 6 08:34:19 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Charitable Status Message-ID: <20011206133628.15843.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> My wife is doing a paper specifically on this (i.e. TCLUG registering) for her Masters. It should be done by next week, at which point if people want I'll ask her to do the extra bit necessary to actually get the group registered - somebody official just let me know (paulharris at bigfoot dot com) Cheers, Paul > From: Clay Fandre > > That reminds me, I started to look into registering the TCLUG as non-profit, but as I started reading up on it, my head started to hurt with all that legal mumbo-jumbo. Anyone have experience with this type of thing? Anyone have free time to try and get this done? From paul at harris.net Thu Dec 6 09:19:31 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 50K messages Message-ID: <20011128220023.21951.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Jay, Not that I doubt you for a moment, but at 1 minute per email, that's 16 hours per day of reading emails! When do you actually DO stuff?! :) Cheers, Paul --- From: "Austad, Jay" > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about > 50K messages > in a mailbox? I'm on many different mailing lists for various software packages, security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get nearly 1000 messages a day From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Dec 6 10:12:52 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <1007600154.1370.0.camel@minime> References: <1007600154.1370.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011206.14411200@gromit.> I disagree with your statement. The answer may be obvious to you (the links at the bottom of the messages), how to solve the problem may be obvious to you (use google to get to the TCLUG website), but for whatever reason, it wasn't obvious to uak or the question wouldn't have been raised. And uak was trying to do some sort of research by investigating the archives, so it's not like there was no initiative. Many people are just starting to investigate linux. One suggestion they hear repeatedly is that if you need help, check out the local LUG. Keep in mind, many (most?) of these people don't know how mailing lists work, don't really understand how LUGs operate; they're not stupid, they just have limited experience in this kind of online environment. So someone asks a question, and they're told they should feel shame for even asking. That person comes away feeling put off by 'those linux snobs', which is not what we want. What's wrong with people asking obvious questions? If you think it's a dumb question, DON'T ANSWER IT! But don't insult people who are just asking for help. [OT tangent]: Teaching kids how to use computers shouldn't mean just teaching them Excel or StarOffice or any particular app, or even word processsing in general. It should be about teaching them how to access and utilize resources like the web, mailing lists & archives, and generally about how to hunt down info. One of the things I've noticed in moving to open source solutions over the years is that I don't pay much attention to ads for commercial software any more. And I suspect many linux users are the same. In contrast, MS users are accustomed to solving problems by relying on ads they see for commercial products. They're used to buying MS's stuff, and so, without even thinking about it really, approach all other computer problems with a "What can I buy to solve this problem" attitude. It never even occurs to them to look for a free alternative. [/tangent] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/5/01, 6:55:53 PM, Ben Lutgens wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear > it. > > > > > > > uak > > > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is 'welcoming' > and > > > neither did uak apparently. > > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across that > way. > oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question an > idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." > All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone disagree > with that statement? Who else was thinking it? > Oh and to further add insult to injury.... > Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group" in > the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click > that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to the > mailing lists and thier archives. > Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps > exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a > question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to > answer.... > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the insulting > > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even though > > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in fact > > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the nice > > info in it. > Don't defend me Thom, let em whine. > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > fire." > - George Carlin From fertch at mninter.net Thu Dec 6 10:20:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UUM Meeting, MS Antitrust, Intellectual Property In-Reply-To: <20011205221916.5f111cab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011205221916.5f111cab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01120610071600.00471@bleys> On Wednesday 05 December 2001 22:19, Mike Hicks wrote: > I attended the Unix Users of Minnesota [http://www.uum.org/] meeting this > evening. Mike Jacobs, an assistant to the Minnesota Attorney General, was > supposed to speak and discuss the Microsoft Antitrust Suit, but apparently > had to pull out of the talk. On a similar note, any read the editorial column in the latest Linux Journal? Apparently, there's "strong measures" being taken to make software that the source code is available for free (and the like) illegal. I didn't get a chance to read the entire article, but that was the jist of it in the first couple of paragraphs. Shawn From mglaser at umn.edu Thu Dec 6 10:29:04 2001 From: mglaser at umn.edu (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another samba/lprng problem In-Reply-To: <20011205182533.F18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C0F3965.18415.590BBF@localhost> On 5 Dec 2001 at 18:25, Amy Tanner wrote: I may be trying to do something similar and I am also in need of help. I have a lab full of Win2K clients that authenticate to a WinNT4 server to download mandatory profiles and among other things, printers. Printing has been very problematic and I would like to see if I can use LPRng/Samba to manage printing with a Linux server. I haven't made any progress however. > >From reading LPRng howto, to fix this, you put Is this the HowTo found at http://www.astart.com ? That is the only one I have come across and everything in there looks pretty foreign to me. From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 6 10:37:35 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Charitable Status In-Reply-To: <20011206133628.15843.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011206133628.15843.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011206094530.B1359@fandre.com> On Thu, 06 Dec 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > My wife is doing a paper specifically on this (i.e. TCLUG registering) for her Masters. It should be done by next week, at which point if people want I'll ask her to do the extra bit necessary to actually get the group registered - somebody official just let me know (paulharris at bigfoot dot com) > > Cheers, Paul > Hmmm, am I considered official? Yea, I'd appreciate it if she could spend some extra time doing it. If not, just let me know what I need to do. Thanks. -- Clay From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Dec 6 11:46:35 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions Message-ID: If one is using cable (so DSL standards are of no concern), how do these Cisco routers compare to the commonly found Cable/DSL routers by SMC (7004 ABR /w built-in print server), Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc.? I've been eyeing the SMC 7004 ABR 4-port router for some time now which goes for a street price of $69. I've been thinking of using this b/c I want to use my Pentium box as a dedicated web server and my Athlon box for more desktop type purposes (and run Windoze for games and my wife) and then connect them to the router behind the NAT firewall. If I run the Linux packet-filtering firewall and Apache web server on the same Pentium box....will that work efficiently/securely behind the router's NAT firewall? Sorry for the newbie questions..... > > > It has something to do with DSL getting standards. They are > not using cap(?) > anymore but are using DMT. Thats why a 675 wont work, a newer > 678 will tho. The > only reason a 675 will work is if the line has been > grand-fathered in, if you > upgrade your line or get a new one, you will have to use a 678 w/dmt. > e-bay has 678's for around $70. > Hope this helps. > Dan > > All, > I just got my (Cisco 678) DSL hooked up again (upon moving). > > I don't know the specifics, but there seemed to be some issue about > Cisco 675 routers being incompatible (sp?) with the upgraded > DSL that I > now receive from Qworst. > > They sent me another router even though I did not request it. > It was the > 675 and for some reasons, it would not have worked with my > set-up anyway. > > Anyone know more about why 640K might not work with a 675? > uak > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From blayer at qwest.net Thu Dec 6 11:50:45 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] machines for sale In-Reply-To: <20011203234950.A6578@flanders.digsol.net> References: <20011127094401.5ec12266.blayer@qwest.net> <20011203234950.A6578@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011206101604.2d5f980f.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:49:50 -0600 "Marc A. Ohmann" wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:05:45AM -0600, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > I have an IBM 300pl Penitum 200 mmx, 64 megs memory, 12 gigs hd space, > > monitor, modem, network, sound, keyboard and mouse. A perfect linux > > server. Asking 150 dollars but willing to negotiate. > > > > Colin Kilbane > > let's see.... > > 3 weeks ago bought a p166 64MB for $10 > > 2 years ago got 3 pentiums and 7 486s for $20 total > > $150 -- I don't think so And I've bought $350 HP JetDirect print servers for $6.95, but that doesn't mean they are all worth that. This kind of reply should have gone privately, not to the list (if at all). -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 6 11:52:33 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <20011206.14411200@gromit.> References: <1007600154.1370.0.camel@minime> <20011206.14411200@gromit.> Message-ID: <1007655716.4604.4.camel@titanium> On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 08:41, Petre Scheie wrote: > I disagree with your statement. The answer may be obvious to you (the > links at the bottom of the > messages), how to solve the problem may be obvious to you (use google to > get to the > TCLUG website), but for whatever reason, it wasn't obvious to uak or the > question wouldn't > have been raised. And uak was trying to do some sort of research by > investigating the > archives, so it's not like there was no initiative. Yes, yes, you're a good person. Let it go, take a breath. Besides at this point, I've given up making a point and am enjoying pulling your strings. You are a good source of entertainment. Thanks for playing. > > Many people are just starting to investigate linux. One suggestion they > hear repeatedly is that if you need help, check out the local LUG. Keep > in mind, many (most?) of these people don't know how mailing lists work, > don't really understand how LUGs operate; they're not stupid, they just > have limited experience in this kind of online environment. So someone > asks a question, and they're told they should feel shame for even asking. > That person comes away feeling put off by 'those linux snobs', which is > not what we want. > > What's wrong with people asking obvious questions? If you think it's a > dumb question, DON'T ANSWER IT! But don't insult people who are just > asking for help. > > [OT tangent]: Teaching kids how to use computers shouldn't mean just > teaching them Excel or StarOffice or any particular app, or even word > processsing in general. It should be about teaching them how to access > and utilize resources like the web, mailing lists & archives, and > generally about how to hunt down info. One of the things I've noticed in > moving to open source solutions over the years is that I don't pay much > attention to ads for commercial software any more. And I suspect many > linux users are the same. In contrast, MS users are accustomed to > solving problems by relying on ads they see for commercial products. > They're used to buying MS's stuff, and so, without even thinking about it > really, approach all other computer problems with a "What can I buy to > solve this problem" attitude. It never even occurs to them to look for a > free alternative. > [/tangent] > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 12/5/01, 6:55:53 PM, Ben Lutgens wrote regarding > Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > > > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear > > it. > > > > > > > > > uak > > > > > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is 'welcoming' > > and > > > > neither did uak apparently. > > > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across that > > way. > > > oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question an > > idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." > > > All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone disagree > > with that statement? Who else was thinking it? > > > Oh and to further add insult to injury.... > > > Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group" in > > the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click > > that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to the > > mailing lists and thier archives. > > > Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps > > exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a > > question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to > > answer.... > > > > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the insulting > > > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even though > > > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in fact > > > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the nice > > > info in it. > > > Don't defend me Thom, let em whine. > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > System Administrator > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > > fire." > > - George Carlin > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(good thing I keep backups). > It seems like it puts line breaks at a different place than Kmail is used > to, because all the messages had funny line breaks, and peoples messages > spanned multiple messages. This is odd, I just downloaded kmail to see if I could reproduce your problems, but everything was fine. I could open all my mailboxes fine with kmail - no funny line breaks. And opening the mailboxes back up with mutt didn't cause any problems either. What versions of kmail and mutt were you trying? I tried kmail 2.2.1 and mutt 1.3.22i/1.3.24i. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From blayer at qwest.net Thu Dec 6 12:00:40 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some free hardware at the installfest In-Reply-To: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> References: <0df3346210206c1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011206103029.2f2918f7.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:22:16 -0600 "james" wrote: > > I bring this up since it may prompt other people to bring similar > > hand-me-downs. On a previous occasion we got enough stuff to build a > > working box for a lucky user. I'll try and bring a thing or two.. if someone has a load of stuff to take there, but no way to move it, I might be able to drag it down in the van for you. Would be nice if we could cobble together a couple of cowboy boxes for the spectators ;) > Question, do you need any hubs for Saturday, I could bring an 8 port and > possibly a 16 port if necessary. Yeah, I'll be bringing my 16 port 10baseT Synoptics hub and some cat-5 stuff along with whatever hardware I am parting with. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Dec 6 12:02:21 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads Message-ID: Don't let her take your shoes, Ben! >>> blutgens@sistina.com 12/05/01 06:55PM >>> >oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote >this question an idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 12:03:12 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 50K messages In-Reply-To: <20011128220023.21951.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: On 28 Nov 2001, Paul wrote: > Not that I doubt you for a moment, but at 1 minute per email, that's > 16 hours per day of reading emails! When do you actually DO stuff?! > :) eh, who actually takes a minute per e-mail?? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Thu Dec 6 12:05:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: ; from uak@nerp.net on Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 07:02:40PM -0600 References: <1007592189.2491.6.camel@dornier> Message-ID: <20011206103753.B23432@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 07:02:40PM -0600, uak wrote: > Anyone know more about why 640K might not work with a 675? My 675 giving me 640 Kb/s begs to differ :) Maybe the new line has some new features... but my old one is just as good. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011206/64f269f2/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Thu Dec 6 12:11:17 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby Message-ID: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> Has anybody had any luck getting decent battery life from linux laptops? I can never get the hd to spin down for any length of time because of all the random fs activity especially on /var. Without disabling syslogd, are there any solutions to getting the hd to spin down? hdparm -S 1 /dev/hda doesn't work and is rather annoying because the disk spins down and starts right back up -- probably using as much or more power than if it had just stayed up. I am concidering mounting /var on a ramdisk just before suspend but I think sync'ing to the disk when it wakes up would be tricky. Remote sysloging is an option but doesn't help me when I'm off the network. any insight -- much appreciated, marc From blayer at qwest.net Thu Dec 6 12:18:34 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: Restoring corrupted BIOS (was: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers?) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D192@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D192@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011206105213.5e047582.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:50:55 -0600 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Chernobyl wipes the bios. No way to fix it except to send it in to the > manufacturer. There are actually several ways to potentially recover a corrupted flash BIOS. I've never had to send a board in to the manufacturer. Here are a few methods: 1) Reprogram the BIOS chip on an PROM/EPROM programmer; any EPROM programmer software should accept the BIOS .bin file format that you can d/l from the manufacturer. Call around till you find a shop that has one, and is willing to take the 5 minutes to do the job. Bring them some MGD light. 2) If it is a later Award BIOS, you can use the 'boot-block' recovery method. This is documented on some manufacturer's sites as well as the wmbios page. You will need an ISA video card, a floppy drive, a specially prepared floppy disk, and a six of full-bodied, hoppy ale. 3) Swap the bad chip for a BIOS chip from an identical or similar motherboard. Even with the hardware issues, it should be able to get you far enough to boot from a floppy. Once you have it booted, CAREFULLY pull the BIOS chip out (hot-swap) and replace with the old, bad chip. Now run the BIOS flash program to restore the old chip. In preparation, two double-scotches with a little water on the side, FIRST. Note: BIOS chip repair is considered optional in all cases. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From amy at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 12:19:07 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another samba/lprng problem In-Reply-To: <3C0F3965.18415.590BBF@localhost>; from mglaser@umn.edu on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:24:53AM -0600 References: <20011205182533.F18760@real-time.com> <3C0F3965.18415.590BBF@localhost> Message-ID: <20011206105539.T18760@real-time.com> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:24:53AM -0600, Michael Glaser (mglaser@umn.edu) wrote: > On 5 Dec 2001 at 18:25, Amy Tanner wrote: > > I may be trying to do something similar and I am also in need of help. > > I have a lab full of Win2K clients that authenticate to a WinNT4 server to download > mandatory profiles and among other things, printers. Printing has been very problematic and > I would like to see if I can use LPRng/Samba to manage printing with a Linux server. I > haven't made any progress however. You'll need /etc/lpd.conf file also. Here are the only settings I have in mine: allow_user_setting=nobody filter_path=/usr/local/lib/LPRng:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/sbin:/usr/etc:/etc client_config_file=/etc/lpd.conf printer_perms_path=/etc/lpd.perms server_config_file=/etc/lpd.conf lf=/var/log/lpd.log Here's the URLs I referenced alot: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html http://www.astart.com/lprng/smb.htm (Samba & LRPng) http://www.lprng.com/LPRng-HOWTO/LPRng-HOWTO.html To troubleshoot, follow the steps in the samba DIAGNOSIS.txt file. Also view the log files in /var/log/samba (or whereever you put them). And make sure you can print from the linux print server too, so you can eliminate some Windows oddity. If you want samba to authenticate against your WinNT4 server, you'll need winbindd, which comes with the latest version of samba. You'll need to have the samba server join the domain (reference: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html#AEN400). Make sure you follow the steps exactly. I found I had to remove the machine account from the Win server and re-add it a few times. Then, in smb.conf I used security=domain. I spent a few weeks getting it all to work so if you'd like more help, feel free to email me offline. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From blayer at qwest.net Thu Dec 6 12:26:06 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diablo II Won't Run under Winex Message-ID: <20011206105738.1259125c.blayer@qwest.net> When I try to 'winex Diablo\ II.exe' I get a little pop-up box... Diablo II server exception: UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: ACCESS_VIOLATION: (c0000005) And it quits there. Any help? Ben? -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 6 12:26:37 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011205014032.P13105@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <1007403239.12487.0.camel@titanium> <20011205014032.P13105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011206110009.D32101@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011205 03:19]: > Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > > Personally I find that sort of behavior unethical. I think if I every > > caught someone working with/for me as an admin searching through our > > customers (read:users) email or data and they didn't have a valid > > reason, it would be grounds for dismissal. > Yeah, then there is dis-plane, dis-tank. University policy has strict rules on when I can see personal data and how I can and can't use it. Having set rules like this in workplaces is probally a good idea. http://www.fpd.finop.umn.edu/groups/ppd/documents/policy/Acceptable_Use.cfm -- cut -- The University assigns responsibility for protecting its resources and data to system administrators and data custodians, who treat the contents of individually assigned accounts and personal communications as private and does not examine or disclose the contents except: 1. as required for system maintenance including security measures; 2. when there exists reason to believe an individual is violating the law or University policy; and/or 3. as permitted by applicable policy or law. --- While im on the topic of 'evil' policies, this one is pretty sinister : http://www1.umn.edu/oit/policies/networkmanguide.shtml But its good for network people, lets them manage the bandwidth. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 12:32:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: server performance -- was RE: [TCLUG] USB Mouse Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D19F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > You're right about the rotational speed of the disk, but > don't the sectors get wider as you get out there? If you > move the head, the worst case is that you have to wait for a > full revolution once you hit the right track, but angular > velocity is the same everywhere, so I guess I'm not seeing > how this gives you faster seek times. They do, but it does have an effect. Maybe because of the increased throughput and the drive can figure out faster if it's found what it's looking for? In one of my CS classes at the U, we spent a couple of weeks on disks and this was one of the things we covered. I don't remember which class it was though. > > > I typically have a ton of mail > > on my postfix boxes, so moving my spool directory to the last > > partition on the disk has increased my performance by quite a bit. > > I've also started doing remote logging from all of my > mailservers. By > > doing this, postfix doesn't have to fight at all with > syslog for disk > > access, and that has also increased my performance. > > > > Basically, I went from an average of 160ms to inject a message into > > the queue using the default settings, to now about an > average of 35ms > > for each message injected after tweaking everything. > Installing the > > 20011127 snapshot brought me down from 60ms to 35ms just by itself. > > Doesn't this say that the disk partitioning had no measurable > effect? Of course, putting it on a device that isn't being > asked to fly off to other parts of the disk will be a big > speed up, but I thought you had that already. I did the disk thing before upgrading, and it dropped me from about 80ms to around 65ms for message injection to the queue. > I'm not arguing with you, just trying to get clear. Thanks, Phil Well, you can try testing it for yourself. Grab a copy of bonnie and run it on an unloaded system. Try a run on your first or second partition, and then try a run on your last partition (make sure it starts closer to the end of the disk than the beginning, or your results will be similar). Bonnie will give you number of seeks per second, you should run it with a filesize which is at least double what you have for memory and run 3 times to make sure you get the same results each time through. I didn't run bonnie to test it, I just have graphs of our email injection time over the last couple of weeks which decreased when I made the change. Jay > > -- > "Trying to do something with your life is like > sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 12:33:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1A0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM > is producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well > with Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. Have you used Domino though? I have, it sucks bigtime. Anyway, I just need something to run under linux that will play well with exchange and use all of the scheduling features, and handle my enormous mailbox. Every single IMAP client I try either seg faults halfway through grabbing my message headers, is abysmally slow, or doesn't find all of my folders. Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about > > 50K messages > > in a mailbox? > > I'm on many different mailing lists for various software > packages, security lists, and other things. Plus, I get > several hundred emails a week from people I work with on > various issues. I get nearly 1000 messages a day, and most > get deleted. I delete what I can do without, but I really > need to keep as much around as possible in case I need to > look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail from late > 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and find stuff > from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory > for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete > something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 months later. > > One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses IMAP to > pull mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. > Outlook connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange > server, not the IMAP port. Exchange sends notifications to > the client when new mail arrives also, with IMAP, you have to > check every few minutes. Having the scheduling, mail, task > lists, and other things all together is actually nice once > you've gotten used to it. I'm much more productive now that I > was at my last company where we had separate systems for > everything, and no integrated scheduling. I think the > concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the > implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange > is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except > for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but > the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, > I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just > pulls and posts XML in the background. > > Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for > Aethera? Or was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right > now, there are no open standards for this type of thing, and > there needs to be. Even better, whatever kind of server that > ends up getting developed for linux needs to have some sort > of connector to MS Exchange so companies could have a nice > easy migration path, instead of just tearing out one system > and replacing it with another. And it also needs to have > some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes and > Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but > it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of > the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't > implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large > corporate environment without some sort of failover > (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just > replicate every database transaction to your standby server, > and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual > failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to > replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster > using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. > > Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, work > to do on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. > > Jay > > > > > > > duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 13:03:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1A1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > maybe I'm just pipe-dreaming here... I honestly have never > touched Outlook's scheduling tools; and have no idea how > people use them; or how it could be better, if someone would > just generalize the component. All of the different parts for Outlook are separate components, but there isn't a separate scheduling app written using it. There could be, it wouldn't take more than probably 10 minutes to write, but what would it's purpose be? If your on a windows box anyway, you always have outlook running (at least I do). I see where you're coming from though. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From loren at ensodex.com Thu Dec 6 13:13:20 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Charitable Status References: <20011206133628.15843.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <20011206094530.B1359@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3C0FAB2D.6010004@ensodex.com> Clay Fandre wrote: >On Thu, 06 Dec 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > >>My wife is doing a paper specifically on this (i.e. TCLUG registering) for her Masters. It should be done by next week, at which point if people want I'll ask her to do the extra bit necessary to actually get the group registered - somebody official just let me know (paulharris at bigfoot dot com) >> >>Cheers, Paul >> > >Hmmm, am I considered official? > >Yea, I'd appreciate it if she could spend some extra time doing it. If not, just let me know what I need to do. > >Thanks. > >-- Clay > You should also ask her what are the drawbacks of filing for nonprofit status. Loren From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 6 13:17:15 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UUM Meeting, MS Antitrust, Intellectual Property In-Reply-To: <01120610071600.00471@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:07:16AM -0600 References: <20011205221916.5f111cab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <01120610071600.00471@bleys> Message-ID: <20011206113910.A11745@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:07:16AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > On a similar note, any read the editorial column in the latest Linux Journal? > Apparently, there's "strong measures" being taken to make software that the > source code is available for free (and the like) illegal. I didn't get a > chance to read the entire article, but that was the jist of it in the first > couple of paragraphs. Is he talking about SSSCA (which may have that effect, but at least provides plausible deniability) or something else which openly targets source availability? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Thu Dec 6 13:19:18 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD duplication unit Message-ID: <200112061758.fB6HwTu15797@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Among the required PC's and networking gear, I could bring a 3-CDRW duplication unit to the install fest. Is this something we could use? Of course you'll have to supply your own CDR's. From uak at nerp.net Thu Dec 6 13:33:33 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beer In-Reply-To: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: Who's all going to the beer mtg tonight? uak From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 13:39:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1A7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I have an old Toshiba that it works fine on. I didn't change anything either, it just worked. Maybe you have a sketchy drive that doesn't work well with the linux power saving stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc A. Ohmann [mailto:marc@ds6.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby > > > Has anybody had any luck getting decent battery life from > linux laptops? I can never get the hd to spin down for any > length of time because of all the random fs activity > especially on /var. Without disabling syslogd, are there any > solutions to getting the hd to spin down? > > hdparm -S 1 /dev/hda > > doesn't work and is rather annoying because the disk spins > down and starts right back up -- probably using as much or > more power than if it had just stayed up. > > I am concidering mounting /var on a ramdisk just before > suspend but I think sync'ing to the disk when it wakes up > would be tricky. Remote sysloging is an option but doesn't > help me when I'm off the network. > > any insight -- much appreciated, > marc > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Dec 6 13:47:43 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1A0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1A0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200112061846.fB6IkKo02640@destiny.iexposure.com> Have you tried using the Mozilla IMAP client yet? I have no idea if it would be fast enough for you, but it is worth a try. Bret. On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:16 am, you wrote: > > I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM > > is producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well > > with Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. > > Have you used Domino though? I have, it sucks bigtime. > > Anyway, I just need something to run under linux that will play well with > exchange and use all of the scheduling features, and handle my enormous > mailbox. Every single IMAP client I try either seg faults halfway through > grabbing my message headers, is abysmally slow, or doesn't find all of my > folders. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about > > > 50K messages > > > in a mailbox? > > > > I'm on many different mailing lists for various software > > packages, security lists, and other things. Plus, I get > > several hundred emails a week from people I work with on > > various issues. I get nearly 1000 messages a day, and most > > get deleted. I delete what I can do without, but I really > > need to keep as much around as possible in case I need to > > look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail from late > > 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and find stuff > > from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory > > for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete > > something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 months later. > > > > One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses IMAP to > > pull mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. > > Outlook connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange > > server, not the IMAP port. Exchange sends notifications to > > the client when new mail arrives also, with IMAP, you have to > > check every few minutes. Having the scheduling, mail, task > > lists, and other things all together is actually nice once > > you've gotten used to it. I'm much more productive now that I > > was at my last company where we had separate systems for > > everything, and no integrated scheduling. I think the > > concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the > > implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange > > is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except > > for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but > > the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, > > I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just > > pulls and posts XML in the background. > > > > Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for > > Aethera? Or was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right > > now, there are no open standards for this type of thing, and > > there needs to be. Even better, whatever kind of server that > > ends up getting developed for linux needs to have some sort > > of connector to MS Exchange so companies could have a nice > > easy migration path, instead of just tearing out one system > > and replacing it with another. And it also needs to have > > some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes and > > Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but > > it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of > > the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't > > implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large > > corporate environment without some sort of failover > > (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just > > replicate every database transaction to your standby server, > > and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual > > failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to > > replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster > > using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. > > > > Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, work > > to do on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. > > > > Jay > > > > > duncan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the potential of fracturing osseous structure, but appellations will eternally remain innocuous. From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 6 14:26:43 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD duplication unit In-Reply-To: <200112061758.fB6HwTu15797@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200112061758.fB6HwTu15797@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011206132341.C5562@fandre.com> Sure, we always have a bottleneck at Bob's CD-burning machine. On Thu, 06 Dec 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > Among the required PC's and networking gear, I could bring a 3-CDRW > duplication unit to the install fest. Is this something we could use? Of > course you'll have to supply your own CDR's. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 14:32:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fyi: syslog loses logs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> For those of you who use rely on syslog and/or run a remote logging server where all your logs are sent, you should really consider upgrading to syslog-ng, and using tcp for the transport. Over the last couple of weeks, I've been running some stats on my centrally located maillog, and they didn't work out, it seemed like there were many missing lines that should have been there. It turns out that both the linux and freebsd syslog will very happily drop log lines if it gets behind at all. I've switched to syslog-ng, set a buffer of 100,000 lines on my main log server, set up tcp for the transport both on the logging box and the boxes that log to it, and I haven't lost a line yet, as far as I can tell. Even without logging over the network, syslog will still discard lines if it's behind. Here's a small program that someone (Vlad Marchenko) posted to the postfix mailing list a couple of days ago to test if your syslog sucks or not. Just run it and check the log to see if all the lines made it into the file. Jay -------------- #include #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { int count=1000; int i=0; char str[256]; if ( argc < 2 ) { printf("usage: %s [number of lines to log]\n", argv[0]); return(0); } openlog(argv[0], LOG_NDELAY | LOG_PID, LOG_MAIL); count = atoi(argv[1]); for (i=0; i References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D160@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011204154643.5D737472C@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> <20011206102204.A10598@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011206182428.63F0D6030F@friday.localdomain.fake> On Thursday 06 December 2001 10:22 am, you wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 09:44:55AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > > Anyway, I tried Mutt, and it messed up my inbox. (good thing I keep > > backups). It seems like it puts line breaks at a different place than > > Kmail is used to, because all the messages had funny line breaks, and > > peoples messages spanned multiple messages. > > This is odd, I just downloaded kmail to see if I could reproduce > your problems, but everything was fine. I could open all my > mailboxes fine with kmail - no funny line breaks. And opening > the mailboxes back up with mutt didn't cause any problems either. > What versions of kmail and mutt were you trying? I tried kmail > 2.2.1 and mutt 1.3.22i/1.3.24i. Kmail 1.3.1 (KDE 2.2.1) and Mutt 1.2.5i (2000-07-28) I just tried it again, to make sure I wasnt doing anything funky, and I am able to repeat the problem. My guess is there may be a bug in Mutt or something, so I will try upgrading. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- The last thing one knows in constructing a work is what to put first. -- Blaise Pascal From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Dec 6 14:43:20 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another samba/lprng problem Message-ID: Please keep this discussion on the list, if you are so inclined, so that others may benefit from your experience. >>> amy@real-time.com 12/06/01 10:55AM >>> I spent a few weeks getting it all to work so if you'd like more help, feel free to email me offline. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Dec 6 14:45:56 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > If one is using cable (so DSL standards are of no concern), how do these Cisco routers compare to the commonly found Cable/DSL routers by SMC (7004 ABR /w built-in print server), Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc.? I've been eyeing the SMC 7004 ABR 4-port router for some time now which goes for a street price of $69. I've been thinking of using this b/c I want to use my Pentium box as a dedicated web server and my Athlon box for more desktop type purposes (and run Windoze for games and my wife) and then connect them to the router behind the NAT firewall. If I run the Linux packet-filtering firewall and Apache web server on the same Pentium box....will that work efficiently/securely behind the router's NAT firewall? Sorry for the newbie questions..... I think you're confusing the uses here. The cable/DSL routers you buy at Best Buy are just simple ethernet routers. The DSL router (or cable modem for that matter) takes the non-ethernet DSL signal or cable signal and converts it to ethernet (that's the simple explanation anyway). The cable/DSL router from Best Buy then takes the ethernet signal and firewalls, NATs, whatever to the rest of your PCs. So, the two have different functions and in a cable situation you need both if you're running more than one machine or wish to firewall. That being said, the 678 DSL modem has some basic features in it that I used mine without a seperate router. Salt to taste, your mileage may vary. -Brian From phil at rephil.org Thu Dec 6 15:06:28 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net>; from Marc A. Ohmann on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:43:39AM -0600 References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:43:39AM -0600, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > Has anybody had any luck getting decent battery life from linux > laptops? I can never get the hd to spin down for any length of time > because of all the random fs activity especially on /var. Without > disabling syslogd, are there any solutions to getting the hd to spin > down? > > hdparm -S 1 /dev/hda > > doesn't work and is rather annoying because the disk spins down and > starts right back up -- probably using as much or more power than if > it had just stayed up. You might try noflushd -- it replaces bdflush, with reasonable ideas of how a laptop should use things. You can also change the settings for update in your /etc/init's. Even when you get these things taken care of, you may find that it spins up more often than you want. I just got this from a guy in Australia, and it's a good procedure to be a bloodhound and find those processes that are spinning you up: "After each disk spin up run the following in /var/log ls -lt * ls -lt */* ls -lt */*/* and so on looking for files that have just been updated." He said he thought he also had to make some adjustment to exim (Debian) -- but you might see if your MTA has something to mess with. Apache, too. Keep in touch about it, though. I feel I'm on the right track with it, but haven't completely nailed it. Maybe if we finish it, we could either add it to the Battery-Powered HOWTO (have you looked at that? Sounds like you know what it covers) or maybe write up a Truly-Fixed Disk HOWTO (w/o using a nailgun. Best, Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 15:15:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yes, it wouldn't find all of my folders. Only Inbox, nothing under it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret Baptist [mailto:bbaptist@iexposure.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > Have you tried using the Mozilla IMAP client yet? I have no > idea if it would > be fast enough for you, but it is worth a try. > > Bret. > > > > > On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:16 am, you wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM is > > > producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well with > > > Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. > > > > Have you used Domino though? I have, it sucks bigtime. > > > > Anyway, I just need something to run under linux that will > play well > > with exchange and use all of the scheduling features, and handle my > > enormous mailbox. Every single IMAP client I try either seg faults > > halfway through grabbing my message headers, is abysmally slow, or > > doesn't find all of my folders. > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > > > > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about 50K > > > > messages in a mailbox? > > > > > > I'm on many different mailing lists for various software > packages, > > > security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred > > > emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get > > > nearly 1000 messages a day, and most get deleted. I > delete what I > > > can do without, but I really need to keep as much around > as possible > > > in case I need to look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail > > > from late 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and > find stuff > > > from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory > > > for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete > > > something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 > months later. > > > > > > One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses > IMAP to pull > > > mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. Outlook > > > connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange server, > not the IMAP > > > port. Exchange sends notifications to the client when new mail > > > arrives also, with IMAP, you have to check every few minutes. > > > Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and other things all > > > together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. I'm much > > > more productive now that I was at my last company where we had > > > separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I > > > think the concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the > > > implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange > > > is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except > > > for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but > > > the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, > > > I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just > > > pulls and posts XML in the background. > > > > > > Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for > Aethera? Or > > > was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right now, there are no > > > open standards for this type of thing, and there needs to > be. Even > > > better, whatever kind of server that ends up getting > developed for > > > linux needs to have some sort of connector to MS Exchange so > > > companies could have a nice easy migration path, instead of just > > > tearing out one system and replacing it with another. > And it also > > > needs to have some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes > > > and Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but > > > it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of > > > the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't > > > implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large > > > corporate environment without some sort of failover > > > (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just > > > replicate every database transaction to your standby server, > > > and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual > > > failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to > > > replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster > > > using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. > > > > > > Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, > work to do > > > on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > duncan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Bret Baptist > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > bbaptist@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > (612)676-1946 x17 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > ------------------------------------------ > > -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the > potential of fracturing osseous structure, but appellations > will eternally remain innocuous. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 6 15:30:19 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: <20011206105738.1259125c.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011206105738.1259125c.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1007670896.6194.0.camel@titanium> On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 10:57, Bill Layer wrote: > When I try to 'winex Diablo\ II.exe' I get a little pop-up box... > > Diablo II server exception: > UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: > ACCESS_VIOLATION: (c0000005) > > And it quits there. Any help? Ben? DOn't know man, it pretty much worked out of the box for me. Seems to me there's some options you can pass at thier wrapper script to get some debug output. I can't remember them offhand. > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been thinking of using this b/c I > want to use my Pentium box as a dedicated web server and my > Athlon box for more desktop type purposes (and run Windoze > for games and my wife) and then connect them to the router > behind the NAT firewall. If I run the Linux packet-filtering > firewall and Apache web server on the same Pentium > box....will that work efficiently/securely behind the > router's NAT firewall? Sorry for the newbie questions..... > > I think you're confusing the uses here. The cable/DSL > routers you buy at > Best Buy are just simple ethernet routers. The DSL router > (or cable modem > for that matter) takes the non-ethernet DSL signal or cable signal and > converts it to ethernet (that's the simple explanation anyway). The > cable/DSL router from Best Buy then takes the ethernet signal and > firewalls, NATs, whatever to the rest of your PCs. So, the two have > different functions and in a cable situation you need both if you're > running more than one machine or wish to firewall. > > That being said, the 678 DSL modem has some basic features in > it that I > used mine without a seperate router. Salt to taste, your mileage may > vary. > > -Brian Thanks for clarifying.....my bad. I'm not familiar with DSL since all I've ever had is either dial-up or cable. My cable provider supplied me with a cable modem, so that's what's converting my cable signal to ethernet. My situation is that I have two computers. I wish to network them and run a dedicated Linux server on one of them. To me the cable/dsl routers look like a good option b/c then I have room for two future computers/switches/hubs, and I get a NAT-based firewall on top of it to masquerade the IP of my LAN. Does anyone use a cable/dsl router? If so, any good/bad experiences with a particular brand? The SMC Barricade I mentioned before can be found on the internet for $69 and I see that MicroCenter has a sale on them for around $79. There are more and more companies now coming out with these....I'm now seeing Siemens, Belkin, besides all the other brands I mentioned before. Any feedback would be appreciated. PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 6 17:01:03 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fyi: syslog loses logs In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011206220115.GI14708@wookimus.net> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 01:34:36PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > For those of you who use rely on syslog and/or run a remote logging > server where all your logs are sent, you should really consider > upgrading to syslog-ng, and using tcp for the transport. There's some development into incorporating ssl into the syslog-ng transport layer as well. If this has not yet come to fruition, you can always tunnel over openssl. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure how the Red Hat install works, but it seems to automagically build modules of my sound card, network interface, etc. When building a kernel from scratch, I'm sure that most of my machine-specific options are not included; I want to make sure I don't miss anything when building a new kernel. Is something like this possible? Thanks! Brandon From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 6 17:12:29 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: <1007670896.6194.0.camel@titanium> References: <20011206105738.1259125c.blayer@qwest.net> <1007670896.6194.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011206221039.B97684425@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 06 December 2001 02:34 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 10:57, Bill Layer wrote: > > When I try to 'winex Diablo\ II.exe' I get a little pop-up box... > > > > Diablo II server exception: > > UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: > > ACCESS_VIOLATION: (c0000005) > > > > And it quits there. Any help? Ben? So you have the CVS version of the biniary packaged version? IIRC, the CVS version doesn't have support for SafeDisk (or whatever) that's required for Diablo II. - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwP7LsACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQNXeQCgsK6btNFerlQA9h8/T52uqnqd UAYAn06DromcY1uLSwjDQpWB7lKsQqhj =2GWH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Dec 6 17:31:40 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> Message-ID: <3C0FE2EF.2CCD586B@structural-wood.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:43:39AM -0600, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > > > Has anybody had any luck getting decent battery life from linux > > laptops? I can never get the hd to spin down for any length of time > > because of all the random fs activity especially on /var. Without > > disabling syslogd, are there any solutions to getting the hd to spin > > down? > > > > hdparm -S 1 /dev/hda > > > > doesn't work and is rather annoying because the disk spins down and > > starts right back up -- probably using as much or more power than if > > it had just stayed up. > > You might try noflushd -- it replaces bdflush, with reasonable ideas > of how a laptop should use things. You can also change the settings > for update in your /etc/init's. Even when you get these things taken > care of, you may find that it spins up more often than you want. > > I just got this from a guy in Australia, and it's a good procedure to > be a bloodhound and find those processes that are spinning you up: > > "After each disk spin up run the following in > /var/log > > ls -lt * > ls -lt */* > ls -lt */*/* > > and so on looking for files that have just been updated." > > He said he thought he also had to make some adjustment to exim > (Debian) -- but you might see if your MTA has something to mess with. > Apache, too. > > Keep in touch about it, though. I feel I'm on the right track with > it, but haven't completely nailed it. Maybe if we finish it, we could > either add it to the Battery-Powered HOWTO (have you looked at that? > Sounds like you know what it covers) or maybe write up a Truly-Fixed > Disk HOWTO (w/o using a nailgun. > > Best, Phil > > A good way to find recently modified files is to use the -newer or -[acm]min options of the find command. From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Dec 6 17:34:51 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3C0FE381.D40F31E2@structural-wood.com> I don't know about mozilla, but under netscape you need to uncheck the "show only subscribed folders" under the advanced IMAP options for your IMAP server to see all the folders it offers. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Yes, it wouldn't find all of my folders. Only Inbox, nothing under it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bret Baptist [mailto:bbaptist@iexposure.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:46 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > > > Have you tried using the Mozilla IMAP client yet? I have no > > idea if it would > > be fast enough for you, but it is worth a try. > > > > Bret. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:16 am, you wrote: > > > > I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM is > > > > producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well with > > > > Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. > > > > > > Have you used Domino though? I have, it sucks bigtime. > > > > > > Anyway, I just need something to run under linux that will > > play well > > > with exchange and use all of the scheduling features, and handle my > > > enormous mailbox. Every single IMAP client I try either seg faults > > > halfway through grabbing my message headers, is abysmally slow, or > > > doesn't find all of my folders. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM > > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > > > > > > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about 50K > > > > > messages in a mailbox? > > > > > > > > I'm on many different mailing lists for various software > > packages, > > > > security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred > > > > emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get > > > > nearly 1000 messages a day, and most get deleted. I > > delete what I > > > > can do without, but I really need to keep as much around > > as possible > > > > in case I need to look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail > > > > from late 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and > > find stuff > > > > from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory > > > > for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete > > > > something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 > > months later. > > > > > > > > One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses > > IMAP to pull > > > > mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. Outlook > > > > connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange server, > > not the IMAP > > > > port. Exchange sends notifications to the client when new mail > > > > arrives also, with IMAP, you have to check every few minutes. > > > > Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and other things all > > > > together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. I'm much > > > > more productive now that I was at my last company where we had > > > > separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I > > > > think the concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the > > > > implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange > > > > is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except > > > > for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but > > > > the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, > > > > I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just > > > > pulls and posts XML in the background. > > > > > > > > Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for > > Aethera? Or > > > > was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right now, there are no > > > > open standards for this type of thing, and there needs to > > be. Even > > > > better, whatever kind of server that ends up getting > > developed for > > > > linux needs to have some sort of connector to MS Exchange so > > > > companies could have a nice easy migration path, instead of just > > > > tearing out one system and replacing it with another. > > And it also > > > > needs to have some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes > > > > and Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but > > > > it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of > > > > the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't > > > > implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large > > > > corporate environment without some sort of failover > > > > (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just > > > > replicate every database transaction to your standby server, > > > > and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual > > > > failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to > > > > replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster > > > > using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. > > > > > > > > Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, > > work to do > > > > on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > duncan > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Bret Baptist > > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > > bbaptist@iexposure.com > > Internet Exposure, Inc. > > http://www.iexposure.com > > > > (612)676-1946 x17 > > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the > > potential of fracturing osseous structure, but appellations > > will eternally remain innocuous. > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 17:42:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yes, it wouldn't find all of my folders. Only Inbox, nothing under it. You probably have to set your root folder path to something different that the default then.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jack at jacku.com Thu Dec 6 18:00:11 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UUM Meeting, MS Antitrust, Intellectual Property In-Reply-To: <20011206113910.A11745@sherohman.org> References: <20011205221916.5f111cab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <01120610071600.00471@bleys> <20011206113910.A11745@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <01120617063002.01124@geezer> On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:39, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:07:16AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > > On a similar note, any read the editorial column in the latest Linux > > Journal? Apparently, there's "strong measures" being taken to make > > software that the source code is available for free (and the like) > > illegal. I didn't get a chance to read the entire article, but that was > > the jist of it in the first couple of paragraphs. > > Is he talking about SSSCA (which may have that effect, but at least > provides plausible deniability) or something else which openly > targets source availability? Its mostly about SSSCA. I'll bring the issue to the Beer Meeting and Installfest for those who want to read it. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 18:09:06 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying.....my bad. I'm not familiar with DSL since all > I've ever had is either dial-up or cable. My cable provider supplied > me with a cable modem, so that's what's converting my cable signal to > ethernet. My situation is that I have two computers. I wish to > network them and run a dedicated Linux server on one of them. To me > the cable/dsl routers look like a good option b/c then I have room for > two future computers/switches/hubs, and I get a NAT-based firewall on > top of it to masquerade the IP of my LAN. Does anyone use a cable/dsl > router? If so, any good/bad experiences with a particular brand? > The SMC Barricade I mentioned before can be found on the internet for > $69 and I see that MicroCenter has a sale on them for around $79. > There are more and more companies now coming out with these....I'm now > seeing Siemens, Belkin, besides all the other brands I mentioned > before. Any feedback would be appreciated. Personally, I'd go with a Linksys. They are just as cheap, and I, well, have used them, and heard good things from other people using them. :) (Although I personally put a only pentium classic in instead..) > PRIVACY NOTICE: *snip* We'd appreciate it if you'd strip the privacy notices in the future -- they get irritating on mailing lists. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 6 18:16:52 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 or 678 needed In-Reply-To: <20011205130723.264d24e3.rudie@sihope.com> References: <20011205130723.264d24e3.rudie@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20011206232606.GJ14708@wookimus.net> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 01:07:23PM +0600, K Hinze wrote: > I am looking for a Cisco 675 or Cisco 678 DSL router with management > cable. I've got one to sell as well. Got an offer? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011206/3c0fb58a/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 18:25:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What cable provider do you have that will allow you to run a server? Most have specific policies against it, a friend of mine got shut off for running a webserver on port 7000, so it's fairly obvious that they do scan to find out what people have running. Anyway, you might want to look at the Netgear router instead. It will do MAC address spoofing so you don't have to give them the real hardware address of the device. This way they don't know you are running a home network. Most cable companies will want to charge you an extra $5 or so for each machine that has internet access through the cable modem. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hvidsten, Leif [mailto:hvidsl@parknicollet.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:13 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] general router questions > > > > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > > > > If one is using cable (so DSL standards are of no concern), > > how do these Cisco routers compare to the commonly found > > Cable/DSL routers by SMC (7004 ABR /w built-in print server), > > Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc.? I've been eyeing the SMC > > 7004 ABR 4-port router for some time now which goes for a > > street price of $69. I've been thinking of using this b/c I > > want to use my Pentium box as a dedicated web server and my > > Athlon box for more desktop type purposes (and run Windoze > > for games and my wife) and then connect them to the router > > behind the NAT firewall. If I run the Linux packet-filtering > > firewall and Apache web server on the same Pentium > > box....will that work efficiently/securely behind the > > router's NAT firewall? Sorry for the newbie questions..... > > > > I think you're confusing the uses here. The cable/DSL > > routers you buy at > > Best Buy are just simple ethernet routers. The DSL router > > (or cable modem > > for that matter) takes the non-ethernet DSL signal or cable > signal and > > converts it to ethernet (that's the simple explanation anyway). The > > cable/DSL router from Best Buy then takes the ethernet signal and > > firewalls, NATs, whatever to the rest of your PCs. So, the two have > > different functions and in a cable situation you need both if you're > > running more than one machine or wish to firewall. > > > > That being said, the 678 DSL modem has some basic features in > > it that I > > used mine without a seperate router. Salt to taste, your > mileage may > > vary. > > > > -Brian > > Thanks for clarifying.....my bad. I'm not familiar with DSL > since all I've ever had is either dial-up or cable. My cable > provider supplied me with a cable modem, so that's what's > converting my cable signal to ethernet. My situation is that > I have two computers. I wish to network them and run a > dedicated Linux server on one of them. To me the cable/dsl > routers look like a good option b/c then I have room for two > future computers/switches/hubs, and I get a NAT-based > firewall on top of it to masquerade the IP of my LAN. Does > anyone use a cable/dsl router? If so, any good/bad > experiences with a particular brand? The SMC Barricade I > mentioned before can be found on the internet for $69 and I > see that MicroCenter has a sale on them for around $79. > There are more and more companies now coming out with > these....I'm now seeing Siemens, Belkin, besides all the > other brands I mentioned before. Any feedback would be appreciated. > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > and may contain business confidential and privileged > information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended > for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you > received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original > message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From marc at ds6.net Thu Dec 6 18:37:16 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 02:10:16PM -0600 References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011206175019.A6256@flanders.digsol.net> > You might try noflushd -- it replaces bdflush, with reasonable ideas > of how a laptop should use things. You can also change the settings > for update in your /etc/init's. Even when you get these things taken > care of, you may find that it spins up more often than you want. > > I just got this from a guy in Australia, and it's a good procedure to > be a bloodhound and find those processes that are spinning you up: > > "After each disk spin up run the following in > /var/log > > ls -lt * > ls -lt */* > ls -lt */*/* > > and so on looking for files that have just been updated." > > He said he thought he also had to make some adjustment to exim > (Debian) -- but you might see if your MTA has something to mess with. > Apache, too. > > Keep in touch about it, though. I feel I'm on the right track with > it, but haven't completely nailed it. Maybe if we finish it, we could > either add it to the Battery-Powered HOWTO (have you looked at that? > Sounds like you know what it covers) or maybe write up a Truly-Fixed > Disk HOWTO (w/o using a nailgun. yea, I did $ls -lRt /var/log | grep "`date +'%b %e %k:%M'`" and only saw /var/log/messages thats how I knew it was syslogd marc From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 6 18:57:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011206155803.6661bd80.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Marc A. Ohmann" wrote: > > Has anybody had any luck getting decent battery life from linux laptops? > I can never get the hd to spin down for any length of time because of > all the random fs activity especially on /var. Without disabling > syslogd, are there any solutions to getting the hd to spin down? I haven't worked with this on laptops, but I have a system sitting in a corner that I used to spin down the hard drive on (the drive occasionally makes nasty noises). It mostly just takes up space (and occasionally acts as a terminal when I have to SSH into my box to kill a dead X server...), so I tried setting the hard drive to power down. It worked pretty well until I installed an NTP daemon on it, which would write clock drift calculations to disk every ~15 minutes. I haven't played with it, but I could probably just fall back to running ntpdate in a cron job every hour or three.. Other than that, the disk would almost always be spun down. I'm curious why your syslog daemon is apparently writing to disk fairly often. That would indicate to me that you have a lot of other daemons floating around spitting out debugging info and whatnot. You could try reducing the amount of stuff that gets logged by modifying syslog.conf, or (probably better) disable or remove the daemons producing the log messages in the first place. I'd go around and disable unnecessary daemons (you don't usually need apache on your laptop, for instance..). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The sky is falling...no, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ I'm tipping over backwards. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From amy at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 19:41:33 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mod_auth_sys/netscape roaming profiles Message-ID: <20011206181353.E18760@real-time.com> Has anyone used mod_auth_sys to have apache authenticate against local unix accounts? I'm trying to setup netscape roaming profiles on a web server and read something about this rather than using htpasswd. The only URL I found to mod_auth_sys is broken: kw2.knightweb.com/~hsf/sources/mod_auth_sys/ also, can anyone confirm that netscape does NOT support https connections to roaming profile URLs? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From thudak at autonomous.tv Thu Dec 6 19:52:23 2001 From: thudak at autonomous.tv (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:21:25AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011206161520.A82971@Ikarus> Why don't you use mutt? afaik it works on every available platform, fully supports imap, or best of all, use fetchmail/procmail and a nice procmail recipei. I have thousands of e-mails in almost 20 different mbox files in my home dir archived and it's never been slow plus you could use it remotely should you need too over a slow link. How do you figure M$ lookOut! running in an emulator will be fast? Use evolution 1.0 if you need a pretty interface, it's great, and I have procmail dumping all my mail to another single mbox that evolution reads and filters on, so they don't clash with each other... I must be missing part of something here, because outlook barely runs on it's native OS, and does nothing but create a gigantic security hole, and a stability threat. Fill me in here, I must know why you are trying to use such an obscure mechanism for fast e-mail... Mutt is king of all, nothing is greater than the power of mutt, procmail and fetchmail. Bow down... evolution is pretty cool too. outlook under wine... what a silly idea... ;-) Tom * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email application that > can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the scheduling stuff to be > integrated with everyone elses. > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is the best so far > (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new mail it > retreives everything instead of starting where it left off. So each check > for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person (or at > least happier than I am right now). > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011206/83c5a355/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 6 19:54:28 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011206162834.A8595@fandre.com> Did you try subscribing your folders? On Thu, 06 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yes, it wouldn't find all of my folders. Only Inbox, nothing under it. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bret Baptist [mailto:bbaptist@iexposure.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:46 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > > > Have you tried using the Mozilla IMAP client yet? I have no > > idea if it would > > be fast enough for you, but it is worth a try. > > > > Bret. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:16 am, you wrote: > > > > I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM is > > > > producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well with > > > > Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. > > > > > > Have you used Domino though? I have, it sucks bigtime. > > > > > > Anyway, I just need something to run under linux that will > > play well > > > with exchange and use all of the scheduling features, and handle my > > > enormous mailbox. Every single IMAP client I try either seg faults > > > halfway through grabbing my message headers, is abysmally slow, or > > > doesn't find all of my folders. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM > > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > > > > > > > > > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about 50K > > > > > messages in a mailbox? > > > > > > > > I'm on many different mailing lists for various software > > packages, > > > > security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred > > > > emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get > > > > nearly 1000 messages a day, and most get deleted. I > > delete what I > > > > can do without, but I really need to keep as much around > > as possible > > > > in case I need to look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail > > > > from late 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and > > find stuff > > > > from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory > > > > for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete > > > > something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 > > months later. > > > > > > > > One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses > > IMAP to pull > > > > mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. Outlook > > > > connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange server, > > not the IMAP > > > > port. Exchange sends notifications to the client when new mail > > > > arrives also, with IMAP, you have to check every few minutes. > > > > Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and other things all > > > > together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. I'm much > > > > more productive now that I was at my last company where we had > > > > separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I > > > > think the concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the > > > > implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange > > > > is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except > > > > for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but > > > > the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, > > > > I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just > > > > pulls and posts XML in the background. > > > > > > > > Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for > > Aethera? Or > > > > was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right now, there are no > > > > open standards for this type of thing, and there needs to > > be. Even > > > > better, whatever kind of server that ends up getting > > developed for > > > > linux needs to have some sort of connector to MS Exchange so > > > > companies could have a nice easy migration path, instead of just > > > > tearing out one system and replacing it with another. > > And it also > > > > needs to have some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes > > > > and Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but > > > > it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of > > > > the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't > > > > implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large > > > > corporate environment without some sort of failover > > > > (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just > > > > replicate every database transaction to your standby server, > > > > and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual > > > > failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to > > > > replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster > > > > using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. > > > > > > > > Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, > > work to do > > > > on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > duncan > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Bret Baptist > > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > > bbaptist@iexposure.com > > Internet Exposure, Inc. > > http://www.iexposure.com > > > > (612)676-1946 x17 > > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the > > potential of fracturing osseous structure, but appellations > > will eternally remain innocuous. > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 20:14:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? Message-ID: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to prevent errors like this? 1011206 05:09:24|2007|root|[W013] "/var/spool/mqueue/q3/xffB5Mw6E10045": can't stat: errno = 2, No such file or directory Using BRU right now. If a switch to Amanda will fix it, enough said. Where are in the processing of making the switch. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 20:19:17 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using ext2 with freebsd Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone know how I could create and mount an ext2 partition with freebsd? (hey, it's ext2, so it relates to linux :) Jay From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Dec 6 20:23:40 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 50K messages Message-ID: <20011207015016.17599.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Me! :) If it takes much less than a minute I'd wonder why I was getting it (I know it's possible to convey useful info in less than a minute, but possible isn't the same as common). And this is an average, so some emails take me 10 mins +, including a reply. Cheers, Paul From: Nate Carlson Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 50K messages On 28 Nov 2001, Paul wrote: > Not that I doubt you for a moment, but at 1 minute per email, that's > 16 hours per day of reading emails! When do you actually DO stuff?! > :) eh, who actually takes a minute per e-mail?? :) From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Dec 6 20:25:10 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nonprofit Status Message-ID: <20011207015349.17719.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Good point Loren - Claire (my wife) is looking at the work that it would involve, and will be able to explain it all to Clay and anyone else who is interested. Briefly, I think that to get the kind of status where people can deduct contributions to the group we'd need a board, which might not be much more than we already have with the 'mythical' treasurer etc :). Will post more when I know. Cheers, Paul > You should also ask her what are the drawbacks of filing for nonprofit > status. > > Loren From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 6 20:36:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: Restoring corrupted BIOS (was: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Virus kills computers?) In-Reply-To: <20011206105213.5e047582.blayer@qwest.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D192@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011206105213.5e047582.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011206123146.E32101@ringworld.org> * Bill Layer [011206 12:23]: > and is willing to take the 5 minutes to do the job. Bring them some MGD > light. > prepared floppy disk, and a six of full-bodied, hoppy ale. > the BIOS flash program to restore the old chip. In preparation, two > double-scotches with a little water on the side, FIRST. The moral of the story is: BOOZE or BEER will fix *all* your problems. :) (brought to you by http://www.booze.org/) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Dec 6 20:46:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > b/c I want to use my Pentium box as a dedicated web server and my Athlon > box for more desktop type purposes (and run Windoze for games and my > wife) and then connect them to the router behind the NAT firewall. If I > run the Linux packet-filtering firewall and Apache web server on the > same Pentium box....will that work efficiently/securely behind the > router's NAT firewall? Sorry for the newbie questions..... Hey, I think I can answer that second part too :-). I'm currently set up with a linux server doing NAT, firewall, and web/mail serving. Works very nicely. I'd suggest just going with a linux server with 2 ethernet cards. Set up Apache and ipchains on the linux box and you can serve as well as NAT. Be sure to keep alert on your security stuff though, if someone roots your firewall box then they have a nice setup to get to your Athlon. The more secure way would be to set up the router and use packet forwarding to access the Apache server, which is on the same network as the Athlon. The second option costs more, but it's more secure and less administration. I chose the first because if the cost savings and I've administered firewalls before, if you're new to linux and firewall admin you might find it better to use the router. -Brian From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 6 20:51:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1A0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Have you used Domino though? I have, it sucks bigtime. > > Anyway, I just need something to run under linux that will play well with > exchange and use all of the scheduling features, and handle my enormous > mailbox. Every single IMAP client I try either seg faults halfway through > grabbing my message headers, is abysmally slow, or doesn't find all of my > folders. Gonna be a new plugin for Evolution.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Dec 6 20:58:29 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > Does anyone use a cable/dsl router? If so, any good/bad experiences > with a particular brand? I like anything Netgear. AFAIK they're all the same. I've used the Linksys one, it has a weird routing loop issue but I think a firmware upgrade fixed that. SMC has been good to me too in general. Get one with a 4 port switch and you'll be happy. -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 6 21:09:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mod_auth_sys/netscape roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <20011206181353.E18760@real-time.com> References: <20011206181353.E18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011206200636.I32101@ringworld.org> * Amy Tanner [011206 19:44]: > URL I found to mod_auth_sys is broken: I use mod_auth_pam -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 6 21:11:44 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to prevent errors > like this? Tell your backup program not to backup /var/spool/mqueue? Data in that dir isn't supposed to be static anyway. -Yaron -- From sextus at visi.com Thu Dec 6 21:13:14 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using ext2 with freebsd In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 07:47:27PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011206203004.A24110@visi.com> ON Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 07:47:27PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know how I could create and mount an ext2 partition with > freebsd? > > (hey, it's ext2, so it relates to linux :) Have you looked at mount_ext2fs(8) and e2fsprogs in the ports tree? -- Michael From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 6 21:22:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using ext2 with freebsd In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know how I could create and mount an ext2 partition with > freebsd? Fat lot of good it'll do you, but I know you can at least mount them, cause I remember doing that. It's in the kernel config file somewhere... -Yaron -- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Dec 6 21:24:44 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using ext2 with freebsd In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, so I don't do FreeBSD but OpenBSD has /sbin/mount_ext2fs. So... if OpenBSD has it surely FreeBSD has it. OpenBSD also has a /sbin/newfs_msdos and /sbin/newfs (ffs). No creating ext2 filesystems over here. Go try that and see if it's similar. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know how I could create and mount an ext2 partition with > freebsd? > > (hey, it's ext2, so it relates to linux :) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EC+gfexLsowstzcRAtfHAKDJFYfUTdbzOEHexUvzwfxrVr0xUQCghT17 COXs5cx3viuKcI3blnGT20Y= =izYg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From myok at ogzr.org Thu Dec 6 21:29:56 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? References: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000f01c17ecb$12780180$4165a8c0@here> IMHO, changing the backup program won't help. I got this a lot when using CTAR; the directory is read but the file is deleted before the backup program is able to read it. The error is occurring at the OS level. If a backup program could somehow lock the state of the directory, that would fix it, but you'd then encounter "mail server can't write to directory" errors. Does the error otherwise disrupt the backup process? HTH. -- Carl Patten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to prevent errors > like this? > > 1011206 05:09:24|2007|root|[W013] "/var/spool/mqueue/q3/xffB5Mw6E10045": can't > stat: errno = 2, No such file or directory > > Using BRU right now. If a switch to Amanda will fix it, enough said. Where are > in the processing of making the switch. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 6 23:25:41 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: <20011206221039.B97684425@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011206105738.1259125c.blayer@qwest.net> <1007670896.6194.0.camel@titanium> <20011206221039.B97684425@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1007696185.1432.0.camel@minime> On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 16:10, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > So you have the CVS version of the biniary packaged version? IIRC, the CVS > version doesn't have support for SafeDisk (or whatever) that's required for > Diablo II. > The latest binary from transgaming supports the copy-protection scheme that diablo2 uses. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011206/611ca920/attachment.pgp From nate at techie.com Thu Dec 6 23:29:33 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 07:25:51PM -0600 References: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011206213758.A32446@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 07:25:51PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to prevent errors > like this? > > 1011206 05:09:24|2007|root|[W013] "/var/spool/mqueue/q3/xffB5Mw6E10045": can't > stat: errno = 2, No such file or directory I doubt a change in backup software is going to do it. You need a snapshot of the system that is stable while you do that backup. i.e. you need snapshots from LVM or hardware that can do that snapshot itself. Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 6 23:34:21 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compile .config file In-Reply-To: <200112062204.QAA28200@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> References: <200112062204.QAA28200@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <1007696659.1432.2.camel@minime> On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 16:04, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Hello! > > I'm running Red Hat 7.2 and want to add NTFS read (at least) support to the > kernel. Apparently Red Hat does not include this support in provided kernel. > > Is there an easy way to take your current configuration and have it dumped to > a ".config" file in /usr/src/linux so that I can simply add NTFS support > without having to go through all of the kernel configuration options? Of > course, I would then go through the required steps to build and install the > new kernel. Provided you have the sources installed, you can cd to /usr/src/linux and run make menuconfig, find the NTFS option and set it as "M" to compile it as a module. Then you should be able to run make clean dep bzImage modules modules_install to get your new module installed. It used to be that RH shipped with a /boot/config-$KERNEL_VERSION file, which was essentially a .config from a kernel compile...... I can't seem to locate the config file for the default kernel. If you had that you could cp it to the kernel source tree top dir and run "make oldconfig" and then run "make menuconfig" to use the menu interface to edit that and then do the compile steps I stated before (make clean dep bzImage modules) to build the whole works. But I'm not sure where the hell they hid that .config now. > I'm not sure how the Red Hat install works, but it seems to automagically > build modules of my sound card, network interface, etc. When building a > kernel from scratch, I'm sure that most of my machine-specific options are > not included; I want to make sure I don't miss anything when building a new > kernel. > > Is something like this possible? > > Thanks! > > Brandon > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Monitoring and alerts for systems that aren't mine get their own folder, alerts for my own stuff get both in my inbox and forwarded to my pager, etc. I spend *a lot* of time doing email, but it's much less than I could be spending. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Harris [mailto:PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 50K messages > > > Me! :) If it takes much less than a minute I'd wonder why I > was getting it (I know it's possible to convey useful info in > less than a minute, but possible isn't the same as common). > And this is an average, so some emails take me 10 mins +, > including a reply. > > Cheers, Paul > > From: Nate Carlson > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 50K messages > > On 28 Nov 2001, Paul wrote: > > Not that I doubt you for a moment, but at 1 minute per email, that's > > 16 hours per day of reading emails! When do you actually > DO stuff?! > > :) > > eh, who actually takes a minute per e-mail?? :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 6 23:41:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Don't back up your mail spool. It changes so frequently that a backup of it will be useless anyway. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? > > > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how > to prevent errors like this? > > 1011206 05:09:24|2007|root|[W013] > "/var/spool/mqueue/q3/xffB5Mw6E10045": can't > stat: errno = 2, No such file or directory > > Using BRU right now. If a switch to Amanda will fix it, > enough said. Where are in the processing of making the switch. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From phil at rephil.org Thu Dec 6 23:49:34 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011206175019.A6256@flanders.digsol.net>; from Marc A. Ohmann on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 05:50:19PM -0600 References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> <20011206175019.A6256@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011206222828.A10993@rephil.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 05:50:19PM -0600, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > > You might try noflushd -- it replaces bdflush, with reasonable ideas > > of how a laptop should use things. You can also change the settings > > for update in your /etc/init's. Even when you get these things taken > > care of, you may find that it spins up more often than you want. > > > > I just got this from a guy in Australia, and it's a good procedure to > > be a bloodhound and find those processes that are spinning you up: > > > > "After each disk spin up run the following in > > /var/log > > > > ls -lt * > > ls -lt */* > > ls -lt */*/* > > > > and so on looking for files that have just been updated." > > > > He said he thought he also had to make some adjustment to exim > > (Debian) -- but you might see if your MTA has something to mess with. > > Apache, too. > > > > Keep in touch about it, though. I feel I'm on the right track with > > it, but haven't completely nailed it. Maybe if we finish it, we could > > either add it to the Battery-Powered HOWTO (have you looked at that? > > Sounds like you know what it covers) or maybe write up a Truly-Fixed > > Disk HOWTO (w/o using a nailgun. > > yea, I did > > $ls -lRt /var/log | grep "`date +'%b %e %k:%M'`" > > and only saw /var/log/messages > > thats how I knew it was syslogd Then you probably already prepended "-" to all the file names in your /etc/syslog.conf? -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 7 01:48:02 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [TCLUG] archived threads] Message-ID: <1007702205.1836.0.camel@minime> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Briefly, I think that to get the > kind of status where people can deduct contributions to the group > we'd need a board, which might not be much more than we already > have with the 'mythical' treasurer etc :). Will post more when I know. > > Cheers, Paul > > > You should also ask her what are the drawbacks of filing for nonprofit > > status. > > > > Loren > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 10:43:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 08:25:49PM -0600 References: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011207034540.Y7224@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hey, > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to prevent errors > > like this? > > Tell your backup program not to backup /var/spool/mqueue? Data in that dir > isn't supposed to be static anyway. Ooohhh.... % mailq | wc 680 3111 38830 680 "transient" message. I think users would be pretty upset if I lost almost 700 messages. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 10:45:54 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:46:12PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011207034753.Z7224@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Don't back up your mail spool. It changes so frequently that a backup of it > will be useless anyway. That was my first thought, but see my previous message about loosing these messages. I was hoping to be a super-admin :-) The LVM things looks good. :-) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Fri Dec 7 11:21:08 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mod_auth_sys/netscape roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <20011206200636.I32101@ringworld.org> References: <20011206181353.E18760@real-time.com> <20011206200636.I32101@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011207051056.D18492@fandre.com> Yes, and then from there you can have pam use anything. (local passwd by default) At my current client site, we are using that with pamsmbd, which authenticates pam against an NT PDC. That way NT users don't need to remember their UNIX passwords. Not highly recommended though because your only as strong as your weakesst link, so use with caution. On Thu, 06 Dec 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Amy Tanner [011206 19:44]: > > URL I found to mod_auth_sys is broken: > > I use mod_auth_pam > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: > Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! > Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! > -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Dec 7 11:31:03 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011207103808.M32101@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011206 23:50]: > Don't back up your mail spool. It changes so frequently that a backup of it > will be useless anyway. Solaris 5.8's dump has a feature to fix that problem, i guess. I bet XFS has a feature to do the same. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From phil at rephil.org Fri Dec 7 11:43:14 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011207034753.Z7224@real-time.com>; from Bob Tanner on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:47:53AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011207034753.Z7224@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011207110050.C12575@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:47:53AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > Don't back up your mail spool. It changes so frequently that a backup of it > > will be useless anyway. > > That was my first thought, but see my previous message about loosing these > messages. I was hoping to be a super-admin :-) I agree with Bob. Even if it's not a full or current backup, when it comes to other people's data, I think you have to save as much of it as possible. Same rule applies: backup as often as you can afford to lose stuff. Trouble is, with users, you have to back up as often as *they* can afford to lose stuff. Of course if it's really that important, you'll probably be set up with RAID and other stuff, I'd hope. (P.S.: Bob - you're infected with the "virus-on-the-loose." Symptoms are that people who may correctly use the word 'lose' in print or handwritten communications spell it 'loose' in e-mail) ;) -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From blayer at qwest.net Fri Dec 7 11:45:51 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compile .config file In-Reply-To: <1007696659.1432.2.camel@minime> References: <200112062204.QAA28200@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> <1007696659.1432.2.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011207111133.6e1309a8.blayer@qwest.net> y0, > On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 16:04, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > > Is there an easy way to take your current configuration and have it dumped to > > a ".config" file in /usr/src/linux so that I can simply add NTFS support > > without having to go through all of the kernel configuration options? Of > > course, I would then go through the required steps to build and install the > > new kernel. This is one of the little issues that is holding me back from switching from Slackware to RedHat. In Slackware, you are given the choice of some 20 different boot kernel disks, each designed to assist with a particular setup or piece of hardware. Once you select, you can just go to the /kernels dir on the CDrom, and find a directory (with the same name as the bootdisk) which contains: - a vmlinuz image - the matching System.map - the config file used to create the first two items This makes starting at a known configuration a snap; you can now customize knowing for sure that the config you start with is a working setup, and matches your bootkernel exactly. No matter if you use bare.i, net.i or aha1452.s you always have the correct, stable starting point. It seems like such a simple no-brainer thing to provide a set of .config files but for some reason, RedHat has just glanced over it. I need answers. Bill From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 7 11:47:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, but after you back up the machine, it may not crash for several hours (or days), and most, if not all, of these messages will be out of the queue by then. If you restore from backup, you'll get double deliveries, and you're still going to lose everything that was in the incoming and active queues at the time of the crash anyway. If you need to back up any part of the queue, it would most likely be the deferred queue. Make sure if you ever do restore your queue from backup that you do a "postsuper -s" before starting postfix. This will rename all of the queue files corresponding to their new inodes, and fix any potential problems. (note: when I say crash I mean something happens to the machine where you need to do a full restore from tape) Are you running linux for the mailserver? How many messages get pumped through it each day? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? > > > Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > > Hey, > > > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to > > > prevent errors like this? > > > > Tell your backup program not to backup /var/spool/mqueue? > Data in that > > dir isn't supposed to be static anyway. > > Ooohhh.... > > % mailq | wc > 680 3111 38830 > > 680 "transient" message. I think users would be pretty upset > if I lost almost 700 messages. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Fri Dec 7 11:56:54 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nonprofit Status In-Reply-To: References: <20011207015349.17719.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011207051409.E18492@fandre.com> Maybe it should have read: "mythical treasure" instead. We all know you're the real deal, Jacque. On Fri, 07 Dec 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hey I may be the "tresasurer" with out any "treasure"...but I'm not > mythical! :) > > > ~j > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Harris > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:54 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Nonprofit Status > > > > > > Good point Loren - Claire (my wife) is looking at the work that > > it would involve, and will be able to explain it all to Clay and > > anyone else who is interested. Briefly, I think that to get the > > kind of status where people can deduct contributions to the group > > we'd need a board, which might not be much more than we already > > have with the 'mythical' treasurer etc :). Will post more when I know. > > > > Cheers, Paul > > > > > You should also ask her what are the drawbacks of filing for nonprofit > > > status. > > > > > > Loren From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Dec 7 12:35:21 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: <1007696185.1432.0.camel@minime> References: <20011206105738.1259125c.blayer@qwest.net> <1007670896.6194.0.camel@titanium> <20011206221039.B97684425@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <1007696185.1432.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011207114200.N32101@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011206 23:29]: > > So you have the CVS version of the biniary packaged version? IIRC, the CVS > > version doesn't have support for SafeDisk (or whatever) that's required for > > Diablo II. > The latest binary from transgaming supports the copy-protection scheme > that diablo2 uses. Black and white still didn't work though for some reason :| I'll have to mess with it some more. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 7 12:42:09 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011207110050.C12575@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:00:50AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011207034753.Z7224@real-time.com> <20011207110050.C12575@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011207115245.E18987@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:00:50AM -0600, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Of course if it's really that important, you'll probably > be set up with RAID and other stuff, I'd hope. That's basically my thought. For something as transient as a mail spool, it seems like it would make a lot more sense to just mirror/ RAID it and not bother with backups. Sure, you lose 700 email messages if the whole thing dies and it's not backed up, but, OTOH, if it dies 2 hours after the backup runs, those 700 messages will be duplicated and you'll still lose the 700 that are in the spool at the time of the crash. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 7 12:48:56 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011207110050.C12575@rephil.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011207034753.Z7224@real-time.com> <20011207110050.C12575@rephil.org> Message-ID: <1007748591.1206.0.camel@titanium> On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 11:00, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:47:53AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > > Don't back up your mail spool. It changes so frequently that a backup of it > > > will be useless anyway. This is the purpose of LVM's snapshot ability. The problem the tell me is that the applications need to sync all the buffers to disk just before snap is taken to insure data integrity. AFAIK, no applications support this functionality. My question to our LVM hackers was: Does the VFS layer do something like this, or even kflushd? And if so, would it be possible to have LVM call the appropriate IOCTLs to facilitate telling the apps "FLUSH NOW DAMMIT WE WANNA SNAP!@!!!" but I'm just an "Idiot Ben" and not qualified for this high-level thinking :-) > > > > That was my first thought, but see my previous message about loosing these > > messages. I was hoping to be a super-admin :-) > > I agree with Bob. Even if it's not a full or current backup, when it > comes to other people's data, I think you have to save as much of it > as possible. Same rule applies: backup as often as you can afford to > lose stuff. Trouble is, with users, you have to back up as often as > *they* can afford to lose stuff. > > Of course if it's really that important, you'll probably > be set up with RAID and other stuff, I'd hope. > > (P.S.: Bob - you're infected with the "virus-on-the-loose." Symptoms > are that people who may correctly use the word 'lose' in print or > handwritten communications spell it 'loose' in e-mail) ;) > > -- > "Trying to do something with your life is like > sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In Slackware, you are given the choice of some 20 > different boot kernel disks, each designed to assist with a particular > setup or piece of hardware. Once you select, you can just go to the > /kernels dir on the CDrom, and find a directory (with the same name as the > bootdisk) which contains: From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Dec 7 14:52:31 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compile .config file In-Reply-To: <200112062204.QAA28200@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com>; from hutchib@cscoe.accenture.com on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 04:04:39PM -0600 References: <200112062204.QAA28200@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <20011207142519.O2883@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 04:04:39PM -0600, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Hello! > > I'm running Red Hat 7.2 and want to add NTFS read (at least) support to the > kernel. Apparently Red Hat does not include this support in provided kernel. > > Is there an easy way to take your current configuration and have it dumped to > a ".config" file in /usr/src/linux so that I can simply add NTFS support > without having to go through all of the kernel configuration options? Of > course, I would then go through the required steps to build and install the > new kernel. > > I'm not sure how the Red Hat install works, but it seems to automagically > build modules of my sound card, network interface, etc. When building a > kernel from scratch, I'm sure that most of my machine-specific options are > not included; I want to make sure I don't miss anything when building a new > kernel. > > Is something like this possible? Well, this shouldn't be too hard. Download the kernel-source RPM for your kernel version (from a redhat.com or updates.redhat.com mirror). Then install the RPM. The kernel source will be put in /usr/src/linux-. Go to /usr/src/linux-/configs and look at the .configs in there. One of those configs will match your kernel (run uname -a to see what you're using). Go to /usr/src/linux- and run 'make menuconfig'. Scroll to the bottom and choose to load an alternate config and load the appropriate .config from /usr/src/linux-/configs. Search through the options, find and choose NTFS support, then build your kernel ('make dep ; make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install, etc, etc). Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 7 14:57:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <3C0FE2EF.2CCD586B@structural-wood.com> References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> <3C0FE2EF.2CCD586B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20011207202706.GE21583@wookimus.net> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 03:28:15PM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: [snip] ... 44 lines of quoted text, just to say ... > A good way to find recently modified files is to use the -newer > or -[acm]min options of the find command. That's a 22:1 noise to line ratio. Pretty high, people. CUT YOUR REPLY TEXTS!!! How many times do we have to remind you people?! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Once you select, you can just go to the /kernels dir on the CDrom, and find a directory (with the same name as the bootdisk) which contains: > > - a vmlinuz image > - the matching System.map > - the config file used to create the first two items > C'mon Bill, you know better than that. Just get the Fine SRPM of the kernel of choice (386, K7, SMP, Enterprise, whatever) and you'll have the .config inside. > This makes starting at a known configuration a snap; you can now customize knowing for sure that the config you start with is a working setup, and matches your bootkernel exactly. No matter if you use bare.i, net.i or aha1452.s you always have the correct, stable starting point. > > It seems like such a simple no-brainer thing to provide a set of .config files but for some reason, RedHat has just glanced over it. I need answers. What do you need the .config for if you don't have theie [heavili patched] sources? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011207/a3308ecc/attachment.pgp From thudak at autonomous.tv Fri Dec 7 15:25:24 2001 From: thudak at autonomous.tv (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:46:12PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1B8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011207080214.B5905@Ikarus> * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Don't back up your mail spool. It changes so frequently that a backup of it > will be useless anyway. whoa whoa whoa... no backup? I can see not doing a mail-spool backup of your raw untouched spool, but setup a cron-job to archive and backup every so often.. If you always have the raw spool, there's always a way to retrieve what's lost, don't just not backup your mail-spool... I keep a duplicate mbox file that get's *everything* just for reference and it's archived.. Not to say I'm perfect and never lost anything due to not backing up, but I've realized over the past 2 months, that running systems, don't like big hardware moves, and linux is a pain... freebsd is now running again, and unfortunately evey *my* backup cd has disappeared... I'm sure I will come across it one day when I've already re-configured my system.. One thing though, after fine-tuning a stable bsd system, and getting it running as an X-workstation I don't see the appeal to linux other than it's currently supported DRI implementation of X4.1.0 Sorry, ranting and got off topic... time to go get some coffee in my arse. Oh yeah, and mandrake sucks for anything but running your screensaver... I honestly hope the gamers edition is better cuz 8.1 steps all-over itself... sorry.. Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:26 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? > > > > > > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how > > to prevent errors like this? > > > > 1011206 05:09:24|2007|root|[W013] > > "/var/spool/mqueue/q3/xffB5Mw6E10045": can't > > stat: errno = 2, No such file or directory > > > > Using BRU right now. If a switch to Amanda will fix it, > > enough said. Where are in the processing of making the switch. > > > > -- > > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Thomas J. Hudak Unix Admin http://tcos.stderr.net SMS - 6123181967@airmessage.net VM / Pager - 6123181967@airmessage.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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AFAIK, no applications > support this functionality. My question to our LVM hackers was: Does the > VFS layer do something like this, or even kflushd? And if so, would it > be possible to have LVM call the appropriate IOCTLs to facilitate > telling the apps "FLUSH NOW DAMMIT WE WANNA SNAP!@!!!" Short answer: You can't do that. Logn answer: All the apps know is that they have to store/retrieve some stuff from the disk. No application is constantly monitoring the system to see if it should flush, or stop writing or whatever. LVM has to be smarter... > but I'm just an "Idiot Ben" and not qualified for this high-level > thinking :-) We can print you a license... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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RPMs use MD5 hashes to verify the > integrity of installed files. That's one thing I've been missing, but I > might just not be finding the right dpkg option.. #! /bin/sh # Check integrity of packages # function usage() { cat << EOUSAGE Usage: $0 {package [package [...]]} e.g. dpkg --get-selections|awk '{print $1}'|$0 EOUSAGE exit 1 } [ $#@ -lt 1 ] && usage while [ $#@ -gt 0 ] ; do [ -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/${1}.md5sums ] && { md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/${1}.md5sums } shift done -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Fri Dec 7 16:12:05 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] archived threads In-Reply-To: <1007655716.4604.4.camel@titanium> References: <1007655716.4604.4.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011207.14200300@gromit.> Oh, the pleasure is all mine. If you can't have pointless arguments that no one cares about anyway, then what's the point of even having an Internet. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/6/01, 10:21:56 AM, Ben Lutgens wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 08:41, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I disagree with your statement. The answer may be obvious to you (the > > links at the bottom of the > > messages), how to solve the problem may be obvious to you (use google > to > > get to the > > TCLUG website), but for whatever reason, it wasn't obvious to uak or > the > > question wouldn't > > have been raised. And uak was trying to do some sort of research by > > investigating the > > archives, so it's not like there was no initiative. > Yes, yes, you're a good person. Let it go, take a breath. > Besides at this point, I've given up making a point and am enjoying > pulling your strings. You are a good source of entertainment. > Thanks for playing. > > > > Many people are just starting to investigate linux. One suggestion > they > > hear repeatedly is that if you need help, check out the local LUG. > Keep > > in mind, many (most?) of these people don't know how mailing lists > work, > > don't really understand how LUGs operate; they're not stupid, they > just > > have limited experience in this kind of online environment. So > someone > > asks a question, and they're told they should feel shame for even > asking. > > That person comes away feeling put off by 'those linux snobs', which > is > > not what we want. > > > > What's wrong with people asking obvious questions? If you think it's > a > > dumb question, DON'T ANSWER IT! But don't insult people who are just > > asking for help. > > > > [OT tangent]: Teaching kids how to use computers shouldn't mean just > > teaching them Excel or StarOffice or any particular app, or even word > > processsing in general. It should be about teaching them how to > access > > and utilize resources like the web, mailing lists & archives, and > > generally about how to hunt down info. One of the things I've noticed > in > > moving to open source solutions over the years is that I don't pay > much > > attention to ads for commercial software any more. And I suspect many > > linux users are the same. In contrast, MS users are accustomed to > > solving problems by relying on ads they see for commercial products. > > They're used to buying MS's stuff, and so, without even thinking about > it > > really, approach all other computer problems with a "What can I buy to > > solve this problem" attitude. It never even occurs to them to look > for a > > free alternative. > > [/tangent] > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 12/5/01, 6:55:53 PM, Ben Lutgens wrote > regarding > > Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to > hear > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > uak > > > > > > > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is > 'welcoming' > > > and > > > > > neither did uak apparently. > > > > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across > that > > > way. > > > > > oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question > an > > > idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." > > > > > All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone > disagree > > > with that statement? Who else was thinking it? > > > > > Oh and to further add insult to injury.... > > > > > Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group" > in > > > the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click > > > that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to > the > > > mailing lists and thier archives. > > > > > Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps > > > exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a > > > question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to > > > answer.... > > > > > > > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the > insulting > > > > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even > though > > > > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in > fact > > > > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the > nice > > > > info in it. > > > > > Don't defend me Thom, let em whine. > > > > > -- > > > Ben Lutgens > > > System Administrator > > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > > > fire." > > > - George Carlin > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Fri Dec 7 16:26:14 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus protection? Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817B@DDMAIL> Since I am going to be attaching a Linux File server to an NT 4.0 dominated Domain, and the users are going to be using Microsoft Office products (at least for a while), I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation about some kind of Anti-Virus protection program for Linux. Our Windows Machines are currently using Norton Corporate Edition protection. I am new to Linux, as most of you may have guessed by now, so any information will be helpful. And I want to take this opportunity to thank you for the help that you have given me so far. Sincerely, Mary Ayala Designer Doors, Inc. From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 16:43:12 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS'es and Cable service in Korea Message-ID: <20011207155026.E32645@real-time.com> got this off one of my mailing lists. Says a lot about the Asian market. >>> Have I got a story for you. I am living in Korea, and I called up the cable co to get the cheap cable internet here. They come over to my house and try to config my computer. It's pretty funny because the guy is looking at a KDE desktop and he is asking me where the start button is. I tell him it isn't windows anymore, but he can't believe that there is anything but windows out there. I typed in one line - "dhcpcd" - and everything worked. He couldn't believe that it was that simple. What's funny is I was trying to get him to say the magical words, "We use DHCP", but he didn't even know what that was. What was even funnier is he was surprised that I didn't have to reboot to get it all to work. Jonathan <<< I've heard before that the Asian market is pretty well locked into a Windows mindset... people there haven't been shown anything other than the MS desktop. for those companies with mainframes; the knowlege and understanding of them is a closely held secret, to which one is 'initiated' after some time... lots of ordinary techs don't even know their company has one. Of course, that's not unheard of in this country either. Ignorance is heedless of race or tribe. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From florin at iucha.net Fri Dec 7 17:53:44 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS'es and Cable service in Korea In-Reply-To: <20011207155026.E32645@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:50:26PM -0600 References: <20011207155026.E32645@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011207170415.C27035@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:50:26PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > got this off one of my mailing lists. Says a lot about the Asian market. > > >>> > Have I got a story for you. I am living in Korea, and I called up the cable > co to get the cheap cable internet here. They come over to my house and try > to config my computer. It's pretty funny because the guy is looking at a KDE > desktop and he is asking me where the start button is. I tell him it isn't > windows anymore, but he can't believe that there is anything but windows out > there. > > I typed in one line - "dhcpcd" - and everything worked. He couldn't believe > that it was that simple. What's funny is I was trying to get him to say the > magical words, "We use DHCP", but he didn't even know what that was. What was > even funnier is he was surprised that I didn't have to reboot to get it all > to work. > > Jonathan > <<< > > I've heard before that the Asian market is pretty well locked into a > Windows mindset... people there haven't been shown anything other than the > MS desktop. for those companies with mainframes; the knowlege and > understanding of them is a closely held secret, to which one is 'initiated' > after some time... lots of ordinary techs don't even know their company has > one. > Of course, that's not unheard of in this country either. Ignorance is > heedless of race or tribe. :) > Qwest knows that I have a Mac. When I subscribed for DSL I have had _two_ options: PC or Mac... So the references to "certain markets" being "locked" is universally applicable. florin PS: ...and yes I know that Real-Time actively supports Linux but that's a drop in the bucket. -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011207/2e23db4d/attachment.pgp From phil at rephil.org Fri Dec 7 17:54:27 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Settlement Message-ID: <20011207170618.A13276@rephil.org> For no particular reason I glanced at www.kstp.com, and one of the headlines for today was about the nine states holding out on the M$ settlement. One of the things that they are pushing for is a restriction that make M$ have to supply apps for other OS's. They specifically mentioned that M$ threatened to cease making Office or Word for Apple (Mac), and that that sort of thing would be forbidden. The thought occurred to me that this would be the time to write to Mike Hatch (and the other boys/girls) at the MN AG's orifice and let them know that not only should M$ have to provide apps for Apple, but that they should be forced to make a version for Linux. Not only is it satisfyingly ironic and I'd love to see Gates and Ballmer's apoplectic gasket-blowing reaction, but it's a fair and valid legal point. What say all y'all? -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Fri Dec 7 17:55:04 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011207202706.GE21583@wookimus.net> References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <3C0FE2EF.2CCD586B@structural-wood.com> <20011207202706.GE21583@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <01120717021500.22899@edith> On Friday 07 December 2001 14:27, you wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 03:28:15PM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > [snip] ... 44 lines of quoted text, just to say ... > [snip][clip][snip] > That's a 22:1 noise to line ratio. Pretty high, people. CUT YOUR REPLY > TEXTS!!! How many times do we have to remind you people?! I think "they" prefer to be called "those" people, or "them" people. Kelly Black From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Dec 7 18:00:05 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus protection? Message-ID: Mary, If you come across such a product, please let me know about it! I think the easiest (but not the simplest or best) way to do this is to scan Samba shares from another machine using the product you already have. You could possibly getting the virus scanning product to run in a local VMWare ($?) session (or maybe under Wine) to reduce network traffic. Good luck, Troy >>> Mary@DesignerDoors.com 12/07/01 08:31AM >>> Since I am going to be attaching a Linux File server to an NT 4.0 dominated Domain, and the users are going to be using Microsoft Office products (at least for a while), I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation about some kind of Anti-Virus protection program for Linux. Our Windows Machines are currently using Norton Corporate Edition protection. I am new to Linux, as most of you may have guessed by now, so any information will be helpful. And I want to take this opportunity to thank you for the help that you have given me so far. Sincerely, Mary Ayala Designer Doors, Inc. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Dec 7 18:00:40 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus protection? In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817B@DDMAIL>; from Mary@DesignerDoors.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:31:30AM -0600 References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817B@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011207171912.A24734@knicknack.net> I've used McAfee's products on Linux and they worked quite well. It's been about six months since I used them, though. Eric On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:31:30AM -0600, Mary Ayala wrote: > Since I am going to be attaching a Linux File server to an NT 4.0 dominated > Domain, and the users are going to be using Microsoft Office products (at > least for a while), I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation > about some kind of Anti-Virus protection program for Linux. Our Windows > Machines are currently using Norton Corporate Edition protection. I am new > to Linux, as most of you may have guessed by now, so any information will be > helpful. And I want to take this opportunity to thank you for the help that > you have given me so far. > > Sincerely, > > Mary Ayala > Designer Doors, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-listOmn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Fri Dec 7 18:25:10 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compile .config file In-Reply-To: <20011207142816.A27035@beaver.iucha.org> References: <200112062204.QAA28200@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> <1007696659.1432.2.camel@minime> <20011207111133.6e1309a8.blayer@qwest.net> <20011207142816.A27035@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011207162806.431d26b6.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:28:16 -0600 "Florin Iucha" wrote: > C'mon Bill, you know better than that. Just get the Fine SRPM of the kernel > of choice (386, K7, SMP, Enterprise, whatever) and you'll have the .config > inside. Actually, I had no idea that RH had discrete SRPMs for various kernel configurations; that seems easy but kind of inefficient. Is there an SRPM for the pcmcia kernel on the pcmcia.img boot disk? > What do you need the .config for if you don't have theie [heavili patched] > sources? I wasn't aware that RedHat used anything other than generic kernel sources. News to a Slackware guy. Bill From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Fri Dec 7 18:54:30 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Settlement Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817F@DDMAIL> Okay just to play devils advocate. (Not that I'm particularly fond of Micro$oft) but, why would a company be legally required to make a software package for Linux? or Apple? Wouldn't the same then have to apply to all software manufacturers. I just don't see that one standing. I think that they should have to take IM, IE, NetMeeting, OE, and all the other stuff that they imbed out of Windows. I mean if you try and install a rival for some "mysterious" reason it just doesn't work quite right with Windows the way the Microsoft stuff does. It's like an old teacher of mine used to say. Microsoft like Microsoft and heaven help you if you try and interfere with that relationship. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Mendelsohn [mailto:phil@rephil.org] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] MS Settlement For no particular reason I glanced at www.kstp.com, and one of the headlines for today was about the nine states holding out on the M$ settlement. One of the things that they are pushing for is a restriction that make M$ have to supply apps for other OS's. They specifically mentioned that M$ threatened to cease making Office or Word for Apple (Mac), and that that sort of thing would be forbidden. The thought occurred to me that this would be the time to write to Mike Hatch (and the other boys/girls) at the MN AG's orifice and let them know that not only should M$ have to provide apps for Apple, but that they should be forced to make a version for Linux. Not only is it satisfyingly ironic and I'd love to see Gates and Ballmer's apoplectic gasket-blowing reaction, but it's a fair and valid legal point. What say all y'all? -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Dec 7 19:23:03 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source Message-ID: <3C10DAA5.5E28E102@securecomputing.com> Last night at the beer meeting there was a fairly good discussion about how non-programmers could contribute to Open Source. Most of the discussion centered around doc writing and the like. Here is yet another way I found posted on The Register this morning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23245.html -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 7 19:42:28 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UUM Meeting, MS Antitrust, Intellectual Property In-Reply-To: <20011206113910.A11745@sherohman.org> References: <20011205221916.5f111cab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <01120610071600.00471@bleys> <20011206113910.A11745@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <01120710220502.00463@bleys> On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:39, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:07:16AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > > On a similar note, any read the editorial column in the latest Linux > > Journal? Apparently, there's "strong measures" being taken to make > > software that the source code is available for free (and the like) > > illegal. I didn't get a chance to read the entire article, but that was > > the jist of it in the first couple of paragraphs. > > Is he talking about SSSCA (which may have that effect, but at least > provides plausible deniability) or something else which openly > targets source availability? IIRC, it's a little about the SSSCA (mostly maybe?). He was also referring to the EFF. I don't have my copy with me at work. Couldn't find the editorial on the website either. Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 7 19:43:54 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD duplication unit In-Reply-To: <200112061758.fB6HwTu15797@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200112061758.fB6HwTu15797@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <01120710252703.00463@bleys> On Thursday 06 December 2001 11:57, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > Among the required PC's and networking gear, I could bring a 3-CDRW > duplication unit to the install fest. Is this something we could use? Of > course you'll have to supply your own CDR's. Speaking of cd's.... I'm looking at a couple of Debian installs. Prior to tomorrow, will the ftp mirror for debian reflect the latest rease? 2.2r4? Shawn From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Dec 7 19:52:04 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext2/iso9660 file size (and lazarus) Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm running lazarus from Wietse Venema's 'The Coroner's Toolkit'. It reads undeleted data or just devices (I'm having it read an ntfs partition at /dev/hda1) and extracts files right from the raw data. Very cool stuff. Unfortunately... I'm half done and I've got 108391 recovered blocks, 216757 supporting html files (to help in browsing that mess) and I've only got a third of the data so far. I'm going to eventually eventually send this stuff out to CDR so I can free the machine back up and recover data at my leisure. What I'm wondering is if I'm going to run into some sort of limiting factors in ext2 or iso9660 in the process. My ext2 partition is formatted with the default 4K blocks so does that mean that *every* file occupies that much space or are the blocks sub-allocated? And what's going to happen when I stick this stuff onto CD-R? These ~300K files are actually 3.3G of data so I won't actually have *that* many files on a single cd. I could have a bunch tho. Ideas? Oh yeah just for reference lazarus is a memory hog. This is a 64MB machine and I've got a gig of swap space. Right now lazarus is occupying 30MB of real ram and has 335MB in swap. If I've got another 4GB of data to extract do you think I'll need more swap space? Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EWrjfexLsowstzcRAnYXAKCtFBUBcY3mFxr0lGImsqvhR/LKMACffqEa AW8MaoQDHhYDd1smETb6qyU= =MWHB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phil at rephil.org Fri Dec 7 20:00:24 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Settlement In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817F@DDMAIL>; from Mary Ayala on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 05:53:30PM -0600 References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817F@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011207193524.A13452@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 05:53:30PM -0600, Mary Ayala wrote: > Okay just to play devils advocate. (Not that I'm particularly fond of > Micro$oft) but, why would a company be legally required to make a software > package for Linux? or Apple? They chose to make the product for Apple. They have threatened to cease that under some circumstances. Not allowing them to use those sorts of tactics is what is currently proposed by 9 states and the District of Columbia. So, there's no real need for devil's advocacy there. I just thought it would be a great chance to expand it to include Linux (heck, BSD, VMS, MPE, -- I don't care.) The thing is to make Microsoft sell their products to compete on their own merits, not as add ons to their shaftware. In the commercial world, applications always have been what sell operating systems, and nowaday, how many businesses would be less loyal to M$ if they could run Word for Linux? The fact that they'd hate it is just a sign of what a brilliant ;) idea it is. > Wouldn't the same then have to apply to all software manufacturers. No. Only those covered by the anti-trust settlement, though it would be a warning shot to any others that were in near monopoly situations. Oh, wait -- there aren't any others! > I just don't see that one standing. I think that they should have > to take IM, IE, NetMeeting, OE, and all the other stuff that they > imbed out of Windows. Sure, but if you start untying that Gordian knot, you'd just end up with 1 floppy disk that was corrupted when you bought Windows. ;) > I mean if you try and install a rival for some "mysterious" reason > it just doesn't work quite right with Windows the way the Microsoft > stuff does. That's a different issue. The one on the table is about restrictions (or as I hope for, probably in vain, punitive restrictions) to curb inter-corporate "heavy" tactics. What you mention is a technical tactic that has been discussed -- I don't recall for sure, but think it was even mentioned in the more relaxed settlement that the other states are signing on to. > It's like an old teacher of mine used to say. Microsoft like > Microsoft and heaven help you if you try and interfere with that > relationship. While that statement has a nice ring to it, as far as I am concerned they are more than happy to continue liking themselves -- I'd just like the world to pass them by while they do it. Their attitude to me seems more like something I heard attributed to a record label A&R guy once: "My job is to make my job easier." I still think it's an interesting notion, and with a savvy lawyer, one that could hold some water. PCM -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 20:15:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Mail server is getting very busy. Any recommendations on how to prevent errors > like this? > > 1011206 05:09:24|2007|root|[W013] "/var/spool/mqueue/q3/xffB5Mw6E10045": can't > stat: errno = 2, No such file or directory > > Using BRU right now. If a switch to Amanda will fix it, enough said. Where are > in the processing of making the switch. Yeah, just don't back up /var/spool/mqueue. There's no point. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Dec 7 20:22:38 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07351C85@msgmsp15.norwest.com> FYI..The lynksys router will do MAC spoofing as well > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [SMTP:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:00 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] general router questions > > What cable provider do you have that will allow you to run a server? Most > have specific policies against it, a friend of mine got shut off for > running > a webserver on port 7000, so it's fairly obvious that they do scan to find > out what people have running. > > Anyway, you might want to look at the Netgear router instead. It will do > MAC address spoofing so you don't have to give them the real hardware > address of the device. This way they don't know you are running a home > network. Most cable companies will want to charge you an extra $5 or so > for > each machine that has internet access through the cable modem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hvidsten, Leif [mailto:hvidsl@parknicollet.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:13 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] general router questions > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > > > > > > If one is using cable (so DSL standards are of no concern), > > > how do these Cisco routers compare to the commonly found > > > Cable/DSL routers by SMC (7004 ABR /w built-in print server), > > > Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc.? I've been eyeing the SMC > > > 7004 ABR 4-port router for some time now which goes for a > > > street price of $69. I've been thinking of using this b/c I > > > want to use my Pentium box as a dedicated web server and my > > > Athlon box for more desktop type purposes (and run Windoze > > > for games and my wife) and then connect them to the router > > > behind the NAT firewall. If I run the Linux packet-filtering > > > firewall and Apache web server on the same Pentium > > > box....will that work efficiently/securely behind the > > > router's NAT firewall? Sorry for the newbie questions..... > > > > > > I think you're confusing the uses here. The cable/DSL > > > routers you buy at > > > Best Buy are just simple ethernet routers. The DSL router > > > (or cable modem > > > for that matter) takes the non-ethernet DSL signal or cable > > signal and > > > converts it to ethernet (that's the simple explanation anyway). The > > > cable/DSL router from Best Buy then takes the ethernet signal and > > > firewalls, NATs, whatever to the rest of your PCs. So, the two have > > > different functions and in a cable situation you need both if you're > > > running more than one machine or wish to firewall. > > > > > > That being said, the 678 DSL modem has some basic features in > > > it that I > > > used mine without a seperate router. Salt to taste, your > > mileage may > > > vary. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > Thanks for clarifying.....my bad. I'm not familiar with DSL > > since all I've ever had is either dial-up or cable. My cable > > provider supplied me with a cable modem, so that's what's > > converting my cable signal to ethernet. My situation is that > > I have two computers. I wish to network them and run a > > dedicated Linux server on one of them. To me the cable/dsl > > routers look like a good option b/c then I have room for two > > future computers/switches/hubs, and I get a NAT-based > > firewall on top of it to masquerade the IP of my LAN. Does > > anyone use a cable/dsl router? If so, any good/bad > > experiences with a particular brand? The SMC Barricade I > > mentioned before can be found on the internet for $69 and I > > see that MicroCenter has a sale on them for around $79. > > There are more and more companies now coming out with > > these....I'm now seeing Siemens, Belkin, besides all the > > other brands I mentioned before. Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > > and may contain business confidential and privileged > > information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended > > for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you > > received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original > > message and attachments. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Dec 7 21:11:58 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird problem Message-ID: <00df01c17f8d$d70db2c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I just installed MySQL-2.23.46-1.i386.rpm on RedHat 7.1 Once done I was going to set the root password as per the instructions. I couldn't find mysqladmin, so I was instructed to install the matching client, but still no mysqladmin. This is what I get: When I do rpm -i MySQL-2.23.46-1.i386.rpm I get "Already installed" When I do rpm -e MySQL-2.23.46-1.i386.rpm I get "Not installed" When I do -q MySQL* I get "package MySQL-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm is not installed" "package MySQL-client-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm not installed" Then of course the best part is mysqld is running. I checked for an existing MySQL install before attempting to install the new rpm, and it said there was none. Is there a possibility there was a previous version? How would I check to see what version "is running"? The bigger question is how can I straighten this out? Raymond From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 7 21:13:49 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext2/iso9660 file size (and lazarus) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011207203609.5ee3b14b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > I'm going to eventually eventually send this stuff out to CDR so I can > free the machine back up and recover data at my leisure. What I'm > wondering is if I'm going to run into some sort of limiting factors in > ext2 or iso9660 in the process. My ext2 partition is formatted with the > default 4K blocks so does that mean that *every* file occupies that much > space or are the blocks sub-allocated? ext2 does not do sub-allocation in filesystem blocks, as far as I know. ReiserFS does (and it should do it pretty well), and some of the other filesystems around these days probably do. I suppose you could create a loopback filesystem with smaller block sizes or a different filesystem if you want to try to get around that problem without repartitioning and reformatting. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Many are called, few / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ volunteer. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011207/3dcdc465/attachment.pgp From uak at nerp.net Fri Dec 7 21:14:27 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS'es and Cable service in Korea In-Reply-To: <20011207170415.C27035@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > Qwest knows that I have a Mac. When I subscribed for DSL I have had _two_ > options: PC or Mac... Qworst thinks Linux is a Mac. uak From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 7 21:15:17 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <01120717021500.22899@edith> References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <3C0FE2EF.2CCD586B@structural-wood.com> <20011207202706.GE21583@wookimus.net> <01120717021500.22899@edith> Message-ID: <20011208024222.GA28280@wookimus.net> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 05:02:15PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: > [snip][clip][snip] > > That's a 22:1 noise to line ratio. Pretty high, people. CUT YOUR > > REPLY TEXTS!!! How many times do we have to remind you people?! > > I think "they" prefer to be called "those" people, or "them" people. OK. Where were you when all of the other 10th grade students were taking grammar? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011207/3bfdca2f/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Dec 7 21:26:38 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <20011207034540.Y7224@real-time.com> References: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> <20011207034540.Y7224@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1007747297.3c1100e1df326@dragon> Hey, Quoting Bob Tanner : > % mailq | wc > 680 3111 38830 > 680 "transient" message. I think users would be pretty upset if I lost > almost 700 messages. First of all, that's not good (; Is it because of downed hosts, or just slow queue? Second, I'd say ignore the errors. All they're saying is the file was there when it gathered up the information, and not there anymore when it went to back it up - because it was already processed and delivered. If you want to try and avoid those messages, try backing up that directory seperatly from the others. You'll still probably get those messages. The only way I can think of to avoid them really is to shut down mail while backup's going on which it doesn't seem like you'd want to do (; -Yaron -- From uak at nerp.net Fri Dec 7 21:27:36 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open source contributions In-Reply-To: <1007702205.1836.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: topic idea for Jan: So, how _does_ one contribute to the open source community? Where do you start? Who do you contact? Anyone with this kind of experience want to comment about this? Lord knows we need (more) tech writers to document what programmers have failed to clarify to the general public, etc. uak From uak at nerp.net Fri Dec 7 21:36:40 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nonprofit Status In-Reply-To: <20011207051409.E18492@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hah! I was going to say "There is nothing fake about you," but then I thought, that might sound a little weird. :-) uak On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Maybe it should have read: "mythical treasure" instead. We all know you're the real deal, Jacque. > > On Fri, 07 Dec 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > Hey I may be the "tresasurer" with out any "treasure"...but I'm not > > mythical! :) > > > > > > ~j > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Harris > > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:54 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Nonprofit Status > > > > > > > > > Good point Loren - Claire (my wife) is looking at the work that > > > it would involve, and will be able to explain it all to Clay and > > > anyone else who is interested. Briefly, I think that to get the > > > kind of status where people can deduct contributions to the group > > > we'd need a board, which might not be much more than we already > > > have with the 'mythical' treasurer etc :). Will post more when I know. > > > > > > Cheers, Paul > > > > > > > You should also ask her what are the drawbacks of filing for nonprofit > > > > status. > > > > > > > > Loren > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 22:08:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus protection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > If you come across such a product, please let > me know about it! > > I think the easiest (but not the simplest or best) > way to do this is to scan Samba shares from > another machine using the product you already > have. You could possibly getting the virus > scanning product to run in a local VMWare ($?) > session (or maybe under Wine) to reduce > network traffic. I've used both McAfee and Sophos Sweep under Linux; they both work fine. The downside is that you can't do scans of network traffic -- you can only scan the local filesystems on a regular basis. I do, however, use amavis to hook mail delivery through the virus scanner. You wouldn't believe how many I can get. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 22:09:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD duplication unit In-Reply-To: <01120710252703.00463@bleys> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Shawn wrote: > Speaking of cd's.... I'm looking at a couple of Debian installs. Prior to > tomorrow, will the ftp mirror for debian reflect the latest rease? 2.2r4? Yes. Thanks Scott. :P -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 22:10:26 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS'es and Cable service in Korea In-Reply-To: <20011207170415.C27035@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Qwest knows that I have a Mac. When I subscribed for DSL I have had _two_ > options: PC or Mac... Yeah, this puts out the few people who have Sparc, Alpha, OS/390, etc. :) I always read that as "PC" == "X86-based hardware" and "Mac" == "Mac Hardware".. really pisses people off sometimes, too! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 22:11:23 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question RE RPM's In-Reply-To: <20011207204854.GF21583@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:48:54PM -0600 References: <3C03B2B5.5060000@gvtel.com> <20011205011819.L13105@real-time.com> <20011205084603.28812f77.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011207204854.GF21583@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011207205713.B5851@real-time.com> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:48:54PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > [ $#@ -lt 1 ] && usage > while [ $#@ -gt 0 ] ; do hey, watch it with the strong language. this is a family-oriented list. ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 7 22:12:20 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proposed Remedy (was: MS Settlement) In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817F@DDMAIL> References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817F@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011207205932.297588f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Mary Ayala wrote: > > Wouldn't the same then have to apply to all software manufacturers. Well, rules change when you're talking about a monopoly, and the courts have determined that Microsoft is a monopoly. However, I don't think it'd be all that great of an idea for Microsoft to be forced to produce software for Linux -- I'd worry about it increasing market share in certain areas. Besides, do you *really* want to let people use Outlook for Linux? ;-) But hey, that's just my opinion. Microsoft probably should be prevented from dropping support for Macintosh, but I'd really like to see them publish more documentation on file formats and APIs (and publish that stuff under nice licensing terms where you don't have to be a member of MSDN or give away your firstborn). Also, Microsoft will probably try to anything like that from happening on intellectual property grounds.. Actually, I'd like to see MS prevented from merging with, buying, or getting into licensing agreements with other software companies. Maybe impose a hiring freeze as well. I'd like to see how much innovation Microsoft really has in it.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ An ulcer is what you get / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ mountain climbing over \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) molehills. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011207/f4c5f0ed/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 7 22:16:15 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird problem In-Reply-To: <00df01c17f8d$d70db2c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <00df01c17f8d$d70db2c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011207213755.6889e83c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > I just installed MySQL-2.23.46-1.i386.rpm on RedHat 7.1 Once done I was > going to set the root password as per the instructions. I couldn't find > mysqladmin, so I was instructed to install the matching client, but > still no mysqladmin. This is what I get: > > When I do rpm -i MySQL-2.23.46-1.i386.rpm I get "Already installed" > > When I do rpm -e MySQL-2.23.46-1.i386.rpm I get "Not installed" In the RPM database, the package doesn't have `.i386.rpm' attached to it. Also, the version usually isn't necessary when you're removing things. Try `rpm -e MySQL'... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eat drink and be merry! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Tommorrow you may be in \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Utah. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011207/e44b2dcb/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Fri Dec 7 22:17:37 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011206222828.A10993@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:28:28PM -0600 References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> <20011206175019.A6256@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206222828.A10993@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011207214243.A9028@flanders.digsol.net> > Then you probably already prepended "-" to all the file names in your > /etc/syslog.conf? > no, but I did now... it seems to have helped somewhat. its kind of hard to compare though -- I wish I had a way to measure disk up and down time :-> marc From florin at iucha.net Fri Dec 7 22:25:29 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <1007747297.3c1100e1df326@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:48:17AM -0600 References: <20011206192551.F27276@real-time.com> <20011207034540.Y7224@real-time.com> <1007747297.3c1100e1df326@dragon> Message-ID: <20011207215009.D27035@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:48:17AM -0600, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hey, > > Quoting Bob Tanner : > > > % mailq | wc > > 680 3111 38830 > > 680 "transient" message. I think users would be pretty upset if I lost > > almost 700 messages. > > First of all, that's not good (; Is it because of downed hosts, or just slow > queue? > > Second, I'd say ignore the errors. All they're saying is the file was there > when it gathered up the information, and not there anymore when it went to back > it up - because it was already processed and delivered. > > If you want to try and avoid those messages, try backing up that directory > seperatly from the others. > > You'll still probably get those messages. The only way I can think of to avoid > them really is to shut down mail while backup's going on which it doesn't seem > like you'd want to do (; And if you succeed in avoiding them you can have the symetric problems: files that are created after the backup program reads in the directory. I can't see how can you fix this problem other that having a redundant server holding onto a copy of a message for some time (a day should be fine). florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Description below. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:42:23 -0600 (CST) From: "natecars@real-time.com" Reply-To: "tcwug-list@tcwug.org" To: "tcwug-list@tcwug.org" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special] On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > What exactly is it a RG-1000 is? http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m59&page=129&envelope=95 It's a wireless access point with an integrated 40-bit PCMCIA card (it's actually an Orinoco Silver.. you can take it out and use it in a laptop, if you want to void the warranty of the RG-1000). With the default firmware, it can either run as a bridging AP (jsut a standard dumb access point), or you can run it in NAT mode (it has a 56k modem that it can NAT out to your clients, or else it has an ethernet port it can use). You can also load the firmware from an AP-500 onto it, which adds 128-bit WEP (and, as I understand it, upgrades the PCMCIA card to a Orinoco Gold in the process!), and some other cool features. AP 500 URL: http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m58&page=1407&envelope=94 Another option is firmware from KarlNet (www.karlnet.com), which can turn these things into Wireless Bridges and Access Point Clients, making them ideal for the Customer Premise Equipment for a WISP. I've also seen people booting Linux/BSD on these (X86-based hardware), and the hardware is identical to the Apple Airports (if you so desire, you can put the Apple firmware on them). (Wow, I sound like a market droid!) It doesn't have a built-in external antenna jack, but you can easily rip it apart and use a standard Orinoco PCMCIA card -> N cable. Best price I've seen on these before now is around $150 on Ebay; this is insanely cheap. If you don't have any wireless networking gear yet, this is a great way to get started. I haven't actually personally used one of these before, but I know plenty of people who have, and I will be using one in a week or so when it gets here.. :) (I'm planning on using at least one of them to expand the network in my house. I'm going to set up a separate "wireless" network, where each of the access points jack in to, which then hooks up to a ethernet port on my firewall that only allows encrypted access through. Right now I just use 128-bit WEP, tsk-tsk.) So now my AP collection will have 1x D-Link DWL-1000AP, 2x Linksys WAP11 (highly recommend these for bridging/PtP/PtMP applications!), and 2x RG-1000's.. fun! :) Heh, I'll have more AP's than I have cards.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sat Dec 8 00:17:02 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <3C10DAA5.5E28E102@securecomputing.com>; from jesse_erdmann@securecomputing.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:05:09AM -0600 References: <3C10DAA5.5E28E102@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011207221041.C5851@real-time.com> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:05:09AM -0600, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Last night at the beer meeting there was a fairly good discussion about > how non-programmers could contribute to Open Source. Most of the > discussion centered around doc writing and the like. > > Here is yet another way I found posted on The Register this morning: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23245.html that's actually a pretty good thought. I know I'm definitely in the category of 'admin who lives, eats, sleeps, and breathes in xterms'. It continues to amaze me, the things I find when I actually sit down in front of a box that's running Gnome or KDE. I'm going to try to introduce my girlfriend to Linux (she's going to have to know it, if she uses the computers at my house); but I've been despairing about how to do it. as anyone who works with me knows, I run very minimal desktop environments; which are kind of simple, even for most linux users. (lots of monitors, full of xterms and the occasional web browser, and not much else. no panels, taskbars, or icons.) I really wanted to bring her to the Installfest Saturday, so she can take a look at the different desktop environments people have; and see which one she likes. unfortunately, she has to work that day. :( guess I'm going to have to learn how to set up Gnome... without that GDM russian-roulette buisness. (yeah, it looks all pretty... until something breaks and you have to bludgeon it to death before you can properly work on your X configuration). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Sat Dec 8 00:18:12 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011208024222.GA28280@wookimus.net> References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <01120717021500.22899@edith> <20011208024222.GA28280@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <01120722023100.23321@edith> Geeking on Timex Sinclair 1000 W/ 2K of ram. On Friday 07 December 2001 20:42, you wrote: > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 05:02:15PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: > > [snip][clip][snip] > > > > > That's a 22:1 noise to line ratio. Pretty high, people. CUT YOUR > > > REPLY TEXTS!!! How many times do we have to remind you people?! > > > > I think "they" prefer to be called "those" people, or "them" people. > > OK. Where were you when all of the other 10th grade students were > taking grammar? ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="us-ascii"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From marc at ds6.net Sat Dec 8 00:26:45 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] general router questions In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07351C85@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:55:15AM -0600 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07351C85@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011207222406.B9028@flanders.digsol.net> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:55:15AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > FYI..The lynksys router will do MAC spoofing as well That's the worst I've seen... a one line comment and 115 lines of quoted text below. No wonder the servers so busy. I'm still waiting for that message I sent 3 weeks ago. Lets clean it up so I can see if it ever makes it. :-) marc From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Dec 8 00:32:02 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird problem References: <00df01c17f8d$d70db2c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011207213755.6889e83c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <006001c17fa0$9175dcc0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Thanks for the info. I was able to remove MySQL and then reinstall the rpm, but I do not have a mysqladmin. Is there something else that takes its place with this new version, or is it broke. Need advice how to resolve this. Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hicks" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] weird problem From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Dec 8 00:46:26 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext2/iso9660 file size (and lazarus) In-Reply-To: <20011207203609.5ee3b14b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, so does that mean no sub-allocation at all or only sub-allocation of tails (like Netware's FS) Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > > > I'm going to eventually eventually send this stuff out to CDR so I can > > free the machine back up and recover data at my leisure. What I'm > > wondering is if I'm going to run into some sort of limiting factors in > > ext2 or iso9660 in the process. My ext2 partition is formatted with the > > default 4K blocks so does that mean that *every* file occupies that much > > space or are the blocks sub-allocated? > > ext2 does not do sub-allocation in filesystem blocks, as far as I know. > ReiserFS does (and it should do it pretty well), and some of the other > filesystems around these days probably do. > > I suppose you could create a loopback filesystem with smaller block sizes > or a different filesystem if you want to try to get around that problem > without repartitioning and reformatting. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Many are called, few > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ volunteer. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EZP0fexLsowstzcRAtbNAJ44l1Dom/w4KmYHOZrfIKzQrJq6tACdGIE+ n0vkFGkyoXbMQG64xeHpt7A= =VMIl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 8 00:54:17 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop hd standby In-Reply-To: <20011207214243.A9028@flanders.digsol.net>; from Marc A. Ohmann on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:42:44PM -0600 References: <20011206104339.A5259@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206141016.B10171@rephil.org> <20011206175019.A6256@flanders.digsol.net> <20011206222828.A10993@rephil.org> <20011207214243.A9028@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011207235409.A13893@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:42:44PM -0600, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > it seems to have helped somewhat. its kind of hard to compare though > -- I wish I had a way to measure disk up and down time :-> I know that in my /var/log/messages (on RedHat) or I think you want /var/log/sys.log on Deb, you should see messages from noflushd if you use that whenever it spins a drive up or down. I know this doesn't help if you aren't using it. Also, do you have all your drives mounted with the 'noatime' option in /etc/fstab? I got mine to behave pretty well by issuing '/sbin/hdparm -S 4 /dev/hda', though I've found that you really want to put in in /etc/apm/event.d (still looking for the equiv in RedHat) so it comes back when you restore from a suspend/hibernate. I feel like that was the first thing to try, (or maybe the first thing you asked about), but having cleaned out some other junk cleared the way for it to work. -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 8 00:57:48 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proposed Remedy (was: MS Settlement) In-Reply-To: <20011207205932.297588f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from Mike Hicks on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:59:32PM -0600 References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537817F@DDMAIL> <20011207205932.297588f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011208000736.B13893@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:59:32PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > However, I don't think it'd be all that great of an idea for Microsoft to > be forced to produce software for Linux -- I'd worry about it increasing > market share in certain areas. Increasing market share of what? Windows, or the app in question? I think that if everyone is going to gripe about M$ not letting other people play in their pool, then it's important to set the right example. That means letting them play in *our* pool. If they can outcode UNIX geeks, then go for it. I'd like to think they can't, but that's the kind of competition that we're *supposed* to have. Actually, have _back_. > Besides, do you *really* want to let people use Outlook for Linux? > ;-) No, but then *I* don't want to let people use cell phones in restaurants. To paraphrase O.W. Holmes, "I may not agree with your [e-mail], but I'll defend to the death your right to [send it.]" > Microsoft probably should be prevented from dropping support for > Macintosh, but I'd really like to see them publish more documentation on > file formats and APIs (and publish that stuff under nice licensing terms > where you don't have to be a member of MSDN or give away your firstborn). > Also, Microsoft will probably try to anything like that from happening on > intellectual property grounds.. Agreed, but intellectual property is really working on a 500 year old model which is (I predict) up for an overhaul this century. That's a fire the flames of which I wouldn't mind fanning a little. As to publishing docs, yes, that's important too, but I think that (my opinion) not only should they open things up, they ought to pay for a little bit of the heavy lifting. Make them write some Open Source as penance. Pipe dream -- but if you aim for the stars, you might get the moon. (Or hit on the head...) ;) > I'd like to see how much innovation Microsoft really has in it.. You know, I used to really begrudge M$ Research as having way too much money for their own good, and line up with the crowd that criticizes them for never having produces anything worthwhile in all these years. Now, though, I think -- hey, they've attracted some really smart people. It's hard these days to find jobs in academia, and the bubble has burst. Good for them, hooking up and making M$ pay them to do what they want to do (research). It's better than having lots of CSCI Ph.D. flipping hamburgers, since the software sucks either way. PCM -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From chrome at real-time.com Sat Dec 8 01:46:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more good news on the IBM front Message-ID: <20011208005142.A11076@real-time.com> they'll sell you a 64-processor x86 Linux box. :) http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/xseries/numa/hardware/x430_descr.html 64 900MHz P-IIIs... not too shabby. :) last I knew, Linux was still limited to 32 processors on x86 hardware; but I think that limitation will be removed in the 2.5 series. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Dec 8 01:48:10 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: MS Settlement In-Reply-To: <20011207170618.A13276@rephil.org> References: <20011207170618.A13276@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011208011127.C24646@ringworld.org> * Phil Mendelsohn [011207 17:57]: > them know that not only should M$ have to provide apps for Apple, but > that they should be forced to make a version for Linux. Not really, I would love them to keep outlook away from Linux. Open protocol documentation, I would love to see them forced into. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From sos at zjod.net Sat Dec 8 01:53:02 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <1007747297.3c1100e1df326@dragon> from "jethro@freakzilla.com" at Dec 07, 2001 11:48:17 AM Message-ID: <200112080722.fB87Muh01876@zjod.net> jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > Hey, > > Quoting Bob Tanner : > > > % mailq | wc > > 680 3111 38830 > > 680 "transient" message. I think users would be pretty upset if I lost > > almost 700 messages. > > First of all, that's not good (; Is it because of downed hosts, or just slow > queue? > > Second, I'd say ignore the errors. All they're saying is the file was there > when it gathered up the information, and not there anymore when it went to back > it up - because it was already processed and delivered. > > If you want to try and avoid those messages, try backing up that directory > seperatly from the others. > > You'll still probably get those messages. The only way I can think of to avoid > them really is to shut down mail while backup's going on which it doesn't seem > like you'd want to do (; > > -Yaron > It isn't strictly necessary to shut mail down while taking a backup. Just "renice" all currently executing copies of sendmail to "+20" before backing up /var/spool/mqueue, and then restore their priority to "0" afterward. Doing this effectively prevents those copies of sendmail from being scheduled in the run queue unless there's absolutely nothing else to put in there... and since your backup script will be running, there will be. Of course, this'll work best (i.e.: effect mail delivery the least) if you only do this while backing up /var/spool/mqueue. I.e.: #!/bin/ksh # # wrapper for backing up /var/spool/mqueue when using sendmail # (Needs to run as root) # # first, grab a list of pids running sendmail... PID_LIST=`ps ax | grep sendmail | grep -v "grep sendmail" | \ awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs echo` # next, force priority all sendmail pids to +20 for i in $PID_LIST do /usr/bin/renice 20 $i > /dev/null 2>&1 # ignore output done # Invoke the backup script for /var/spool/mqueue DO_BACKUP /var/spool/mqueue # reestablish "normal" priority for sendmail pids for i in $PID_LIST do /usr/bin/renice 0 $i > /dev/null 2>&1 # ignore output done Hope this help'idly, -S From sos at zjod.net Sat Dec 8 05:56:18 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG mail delayed? Message-ID: <200112080737.fB87bdc02027@zjod.net> Folks, The last 10 tclug-list emails I received carried the following header lines: > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 01:00:27 2001 > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:07:36 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 00:56:46 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:54:09 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 00:48:58 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:15:45 -0600 (CST) > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 00:36:24 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:26:54 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 00:30:07 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:24:06 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 00:23:53 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:02:31 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Sat Dec 8 00:20:09 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:10:46 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Fri Dec 7 22:30:40 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:59:08 -0600 (CST) > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Fri Dec 7 22:28:02 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:50:09 -0600 > From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Fri Dec 7 22:19:57 2001 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:42:44 -0600 Is it just me, or does tclug-list mail have a built-in delay? Curious, -S From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Dec 8 06:16:50 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open source contributions References: Message-ID: <000701c17fbe$5f5982a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I will take a wild stab at this one. Much of this is based on poking around a few developer sites that were doing things I liked. If you happen accros a particular software that catches your fancy, poke about in the docs for the home of said software. Go read how they are set up and what the listed contact method is and drop a line to whoever is listed as the contact person with whatever you propose to do. I imagine that said person will respond and let you know what to do. Lord knows that documentation never really gets the attention it should! Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "uak" To: "tclug" Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: [TCLUG] open source contributions topic idea for Jan: So, how _does_ one contribute to the open source community? Where do you start? Who do you contact? Anyone with this kind of experience want to comment about this? Lord knows we need (more) tech writers to document what programmers have failed to clarify to the general public, etc. uak _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Dec 8 07:03:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: <200112080722.fB87Muh01876@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:22:56AM -0600 References: <1007747297.3c1100e1df326@dragon> <200112080722.fB87Muh01876@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20011208065557.E27035@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:22:56AM -0600, Steve Siegfried wrote: > It isn't strictly necessary to shut mail down while taking a backup. Just > "renice" all currently executing copies of sendmail to "+20" before backing up > /var/spool/mqueue, and then restore their priority to "0" afterward. > > Doing this effectively prevents those copies of sendmail from being scheduled > in the run queue unless there's absolutely nothing else to put in there... and > since your backup script will be running, there will be. I am not sure I agree with this. If process A is niced 20 and process B is whatever and process B is blocked for IO... process A runs! 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How many times do we have to remind you people?! > > I think "they" prefer to be called "those" people, or "them" people. > > Kelly Black Yes (15:1) From dante at plethora.net Sat Dec 8 11:17:11 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proposed Remedy (was: MS Settlement) In-Reply-To: <20011208000736.B13893@rephil.org> Message-ID: I have an idea for a solution that is simple and elegant. Literally open the API. Force MS to release a complete version of the Win32 API for certification by IEEE, ANSI, or some similar standards body. Require that any applications they release function to the published and approved API or that any changes required for the apps to work are published 3 months before the app is released. Allow one such change per year. This would allow motivated individuals and companies to compete on a level playing field, and provide (IMHO) proper redress for the damage done by Microsoft's monopoly. -- Daniel Taylor From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Sat Dec 8 11:21:32 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vipul's razor Message-ID: <20011208102744.A8264@lemongecko.org> I noticed that the spam filter Vipul's Razor[1] is now in Debian unstable, and I'd like to try it. Has anyone here used it? I apt-got it and noticed that it's no more than several clever Perl scripts -- how well does it work? What's the false positive rate? It seems like it would be easy to poison the system by, for instance, sending signatures of TCLUG messages to the razor server. Is there any mechanism to "purify" the database of false positives? Or, are there any other good solutions like this around? I don't get much spam, but I'd like to stop what does come my way. Thanks. Dan [1]. http://razor.sourceforge.net/ -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011208/59d6dfdc/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 8 11:34:51 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext2/iso9660 file size (and lazarus) In-Reply-To: References: <20011207203609.5ee3b14b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011208105013.0ae4c6b1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > Ok, so does that mean no sub-allocation at all or only sub-allocation of > tails (like Netware's FS) I don't think ext2 does either one.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Put down the Chalupa. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011208/982537f4/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 8 11:37:17 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird problem In-Reply-To: <006001c17fa0$9175dcc0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <00df01c17f8d$d70db2c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011207213755.6889e83c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <006001c17fa0$9175dcc0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011208105349.28796a9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I was able to remove MySQL and then reinstall the > rpm, but I do not have a mysqladmin. Is there something else that takes > its place with this new version, or is it broke. Need advice how to > resolve this. That would probably be in the MySQL-client package. Install that, and you should be golden.. 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You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From houle at citilink.com Sat Dec 8 18:20:56 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! Message-ID: Just wanted to thank all that were involved in todays Installfest. I got a dual boot on my laptop that I had been wanting for so long. Now I can begin to play around with Linux. A special Thank You to Florin you helping me. Terry Houle From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 8 19:38:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] floppy firewall link Message-ID: <1007860222.1668.0.camel@minime> http://www.bbiagent.net/en/index.html I was talking to people about this floppy based linux router. The cool thing about this one is the CGI they have on their website that's used to build your custom floppy image. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011208/85173cab/attachment.pgp From uak at nerp.net Sat Dec 8 23:08:14 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep. Super awesome. I went out and bought a digital camera just now. :) Off to do more fun stuff. Happy happy toys. uak On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Just wanted to thank all that were involved in todays Installfest. I got a > dual boot on my laptop that I had been wanting for so long. Now I can > begin to play around with Linux. > A special Thank You to Florin you helping me. > > > > Terry Houle > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Dec 8 23:25:35 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext2/iso9660 file size (and lazarus) In-Reply-To: <20011208105013.0ae4c6b1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for replying. I'm building CDs off of it now so I'll see how it goes. I think I'm up around 300K files now and 450M ram allocated. This is neat software but you've got to be motivated to want to run it against a whole partition. Oof. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > > > Ok, so does that mean no sub-allocation at all or only sub-allocation of > > tails (like Netware's FS) > > I don't think ext2 does either one.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Put down the Chalupa. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EsJbfexLsowstzcRAhJfAJ9pwx4xzpX+5LnAdDs1g3SzHl3S5gCfa8h1 85bIDl0LEJaw2yp1AHJj1bA= =L7yq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Dec 8 23:28:00 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install challenge Message-ID: I've got a challenge here. I've got a machine that lost it's /usr partition because the machine did a hibernate over it. It's debian installed, at least what's left of it. It has no cdrom drive and the floppy drive can't be accessed by Linux because it's on a PCMCIA card and that doesn't appear to be supported, but I can boot off the floppy, just can't load a ramdisk from it. So I want to do 2 things: 1 - take the last partition, that was /usr, and make it two partitions, /usr, and a 32MB FAT-16 partition (for the hibernate). This could be tricky because I'd need to repartition a live system. 2 - reinstall the OS so things aren't hosed again, most any Linux distribution would do, although I'd prefer SuSE or Debian Anyone got any ideas? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From sos at zjod.net Sat Dec 8 23:39:11 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up a very busy server? In-Reply-To: from "Florin Iucha" at Dec 08, 2001 06:55:57 AM Message-ID: <200112090201.fB921IK01875@zjod.net> Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:22:56AM -0600, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > It isn't strictly necessary to shut mail down while taking a backup. Just > > "renice" all currently executing copies of sendmail to "+20" before backi= > ng up > > /var/spool/mqueue, and then restore their priority to "0" afterward. > >=20 > > Doing this effectively prevents those copies of sendmail from being sched= > uled > > in the run queue unless there's absolutely nothing else to put in there..= > . and > > since your backup script will be running, there will be. > > I am not sure I agree with this. If process A is niced 20 and process B is > whatever and process B is blocked for IO... process A runs! > > [Do try it at home:)] > > florin > Well, if you're running in "benchmark mode" (single-user with no other logins, daemons or other background noise), then this might be true (why you'd be running sendmail in this scenario is beyond me, but that's another matter ;-). However, on your typical production Linux box, especially a server, a "ps ax" will show you that there's almost always enough processes in the run-queue that will see scheduled cycles long before any copies of sendmail running at priority 20. Add to that the fact that the vast majority of files in /var/spool/mqueue are there because sendmail (running at any priority) wasn't able to establish a network connection to the receipent's email server during the first "N" tries. Thus, over the short haul (the time necessary to copy /var/spool/mqueue to a different disk-based filesystem, like /mnt/backup/var/spool/mqueue), it's extremely unlikely the "unable to deliver mail to mail.foo.com" situation will change on the "N+1'st" try. However, we need to stop and consider that what we're trying to accomplish here is to back up /var/spool/mqueue (which, on a well balanced and configured machine, seldom gets "large"), but with the following caveats: 1- sendmail will be running because the admin doesn't want to shut it down, and 2- it's okay to not backup email that was present in the outgoing queue when the backup was started, but was sent prior the backup reaching that particular inode in the filesystem. However, because typical admins get nervous when seeing "can't find file X" type messages, we want to try to keep the number of times caveat #2 pops up to a minimum. Short of 1) hacking sendmail so it always checks for the existance of a file like /var/spool/mqueue/.currently_doing_a_backup_please_wait_till_I_finish before actually sending any email, or 2) writing a custom backup program that ignores "missing files", the approach I'd previously outlined using renice(8) ought to work well for 99.5% of all folks who want to regularly back up directories like /var/spool/mqueue. As for the other 0.5%? Well, they can either shut down sendmail or try something extremely silly like: ifconfig eth0 down; DO_BACKUP /var/spool/mqueue; ifconfig eth0 up -S From jack at jacku.com Sun Dec 9 00:13:40 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proposed Remedy (was: MS Settlement) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120823223700.00849@geezer> On Saturday 08 December 2001 10:07, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I have an idea for a solution that is simple and elegant. > > > Literally open the API. > Force MS to release a complete version of the Win32 API for > certification by IEEE, ANSI, or some similar standards body. > > Require that any applications they release function to > the published and approved API or that any changes required > for the apps to work are published 3 months before the app > is released. > > Allow one such change per year. > > This would allow motivated individuals and companies to compete > on a level playing field, and provide (IMHO) proper redress > for the damage done by Microsoft's monopoly. Based on the discussion Wednesday night at the UUM meeting you might wish to read through the proposed settlement and note what it doesn't do for you. (What you've listed.) Send that information to the DOJ as outlined in the Tunney act section on the web site. I don't remember the URL but if you search Microsoft DOJ on google it should find it for you. Also send your suggestions to the MN Atty General's office and urge them to persue these other options as part of their remedy. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jaredburns at acm.org Sun Dec 9 00:38:17 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c36451350209c1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Agreed. A big "Thank you" to everyone there. Special thanks to Carl and Dave. - Jared On Saturday 08 December 2001 05:13 pm, Terry Houle wrote: > Just wanted to thank all that were involved in todays Installfest. I got a > dual boot on my laptop that I had been wanting for so long. Now I can > begin to play around with Linux. > A special Thank You to Florin you helping me. > > > > Terry Houle > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 9 01:31:33 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: ; from houle@citilink.com on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 05:13:03PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011208215331.A15666@real-time.com> I want to shout out a thanks to Codeweavers for having us today. :) they took us into their office space, and are going to regret it when they have to clean up after us. :) I hope they liked us enough to have us again sometime. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer (and guy in the wizard hat) Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From eng at pinenet.com Sun Dec 9 02:11:49 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open source contributions Message-ID: <01C18054.D1C76B40.eng@pinenet.com> The best "open source" sites I've seen are two in Finland. -I don't have the URLs at hand anymore - They are simple ftp sites they called "Garbo"s and were maintained by a University in Helsinki and another in Oulu. I found them through the many QBasic sites around but these Garbos were mostly C and Pascal. Guidelines for submission are clearly described. Many of the programs posted are "works in progress" at best, but there are some real gems, too. Commercial Linux distributions include many of these open source postings. Linux owes a lot to the Finlanders. -----Original Message----- From: uak [SMTP:uak@nerp.net] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:48 AM To: tclug Subject: [TCLUG] open source contributions topic idea for Jan: So, how _does_ one contribute to the open source community? Where do you start? Who do you contact? Anyone with this kind of experience want to comment about this? Lord knows we need (more) tech writers to document what programmers have failed to clarify to the general public, etc. uak _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Sun Dec 9 10:33:37 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] open source contributions In-Reply-To: <01C18054.D1C76B40.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > The best "open source" sites I've seen are two in Finland. -I don't have > the URLs at hand anymore - S: Aijaaaa, tietysti! Mina katson sielta ensin ja toivottavasti loydan jotain. Kiitos paljon ideastasi! E: "Ah, of course! I will look there first and hopefully find something. Thanks a lot for your idea!" > Guidelines for submission are clearly described. Many of the programs > posted are "works in progress" at best, but there are some real gems, too. That is a great start! I speak Finnish, so I might get into the middle of some super cool talks, get to know people, etc. :) Sometimes things just have to hit you in the face, eh? > Linux owes a lot to the Finlanders. Yep. Go figure. :) uak From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Dec 9 10:50:12 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: <20011208215331.A15666@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 09:53:36PM -0600 References: <20011208215331.A15666@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011209082603.B30428@Mail> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com) wrote: > I want to shout out a thanks to Codeweavers for having us today. :) > they took us into their office space, and are going to regret it when they > have to clean up after us. :) > I hope they liked us enough to have us again sometime. :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- I second the motion. Thanks Codeweavers for the space and equiptment and so forth. The installfest would not been the success it were with out you folks. (nor be it have been...) Cheers. Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I think there might be a special driver called 'radeon' in the new versions of X; but I could be wrong). when you do, I'll help you write a modeline for the native 1400x1050 resolution, so your picture should be clearer. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From rechpj at bitstream.net Sun Dec 9 12:39:50 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: ATI Radeon Mobility - was [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: <20011209094309.G11205@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:43:14AM -0600 References: <0c36451350209c1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20011209094309.G11205@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011209114749.A1160@bitstream.net> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:43:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > one of those things; since IBM doesn't sell except over the web anymore. :( > > tell us if you get the radeon driver to work with it. (I think there might > be a special driver called 'radeon' in the new versions of X; but I could be > wrong). when you do, I'll help you write a modeline for the native 1400x1050 > resolution, so your picture should be clearer. Someone on google got it work with xfree 4.2. I've been watching the posts closely because I'm very close to buying the A30. Unless I can snag a T21 for cheap on ebay. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From dave at droyer.org Sun Dec 9 14:54:15 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: <0c36451350209c1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> References: <0c36451350209c1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1007926563.2028.0.camel@merlin> I'll second Carl. Let us know when you get it running! I'd suggest trying to compile X from CVS. If you run into problems, post them here and you'll get more help than you know what to do with! Dave On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 20:36, Jared Burns wrote: > Agreed. A big "Thank you" to everyone there. Special thanks to Carl and Dave. > > - Jared > From molivier1 at excite.com Sun Dec 9 15:17:55 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems, problems, problems Message-ID: <15137364.1007928957875.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> I was at the Installfest trying to get SAMBA to work between 2 machines, one Linux, one Windows98. Thank you to everyone who helped. I haven't seen that level of spontaneous cooperation and support in decades, if ever. We got some kind of networking to work momentarily, then all networking died on the Windows PC. Does anyone know what would cause this to happen, yet the network card settings on the windoze pc says it's up and running fine? I swapped network cards, I tried different patch cables, including crossover cables (yes they were from Belkin, that is the only brand the store carries), but no networking. I connected Linux Samba server to another Windows 98 machine over a network configured to run shares, instead of domain, and everything seems to work "fine" (I can grab files from the win98 machine to the Linux machine, but I can't connect the other way). I point this out to illustrate that the problem isn't the Linux machine. Any suggestions? Marc ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com From jaredburns at acm.org Sun Dec 9 17:17:03 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:31 2005 Subject: ATI Radeon Mobility - was [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! In-Reply-To: <20011209114749.A1160@bitstream.net> References: <20011209094309.G11205@real-time.com> <20011209114749.A1160@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <0f13347592009c1FE5@mail5.mn.rr.com> Does XFree86 4.2 exist yet? Or are you referring to 4.1.99? In related news, I had to reinstall my OS last night. Apparently,my kernel recompile at the end of the day monkeyed my networking. Fortunately, I was able to reapply everything I was taught yesterday. So I have XFree86 4.0.1 running in the frame buffer with hotswap working for my USB mouse. Today, I decided to tackle DVD. I tried Ogle DVD (http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/) and it works great on my desktop machine (MDK 8.1, Athlon 1GHz, GeForce 2) and my laptop (MDK 8.1, Pentium III 1GHz, Radeon Mobility). I'm still forced to run X in the frame buffer, unfortunately, but the machine is apparently fast enough to still play DVDs well. - Jared On Sunday 09 December 2001 11:47 am, you wrote: > On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:43:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > one of those things; since IBM doesn't sell except over the web anymore. > > :( > > > > tell us if you get the radeon driver to work with it. (I think there > > might be a special driver called 'radeon' in the new versions of X; but I > > could be wrong). when you do, I'll help you write a modeline for the > > native 1400x1050 resolution, so your picture should be clearer. > > Someone on google got it work with xfree 4.2. > I've been watching the posts closely because I'm very close to buying the > A30. Unless I can snag a T21 for cheap on ebay. From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 9 18:30:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP-AUTH TLS with exim. Message-ID: <1007941483.1312.0.camel@minime> after a little tinkering I was able to get my SMTP-AUTH-TLS completely working. Once getting exim rebuild with TLS support i had the problem testing it. Turns out that evolution can't do TLS the way exim handles it. Exim does the TLS buy spawning the daemon on port 25, then asking the client on connect if it can speak TLS. If so, STARTTLS happens and then AUTH over that as well as the data channel transactions. So what I ended up doing was running stunnel on port 465 to spawn an exim process inetd style like so. stunnel -d 465 -l /usr/sbin/exim -p /etc/ssl/certs/exim.pem -- exim -bs -C /etc/exim/configure2 To test this I used netcat-ssl (available from sourceforge) and a perl script to convert my username and passwd to base64 which is understood by AUTH PLAIN mechanism. #----snip bit of perl #!/usr/bin/perl -w use MIME::Base64; printf ("%s", encode_base64(eval "\"$ARGV[0]\"")); #----- end perl bit call it like so encode.pl '\0username\0password' # note the single quotes and \0 this is important. this will barf out a base64 version of your username and passwd Then you can test your SSL connection via your stunnel on your mail server from your local machine like this #------snip SMTP SESSION (blutgens@minime)(pts)(05:36pm:12/09/01) (~)> nssl mail.sistina.com 465 220 hermes.sistina.com ESMTP Exim 3.32 #7 Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:35:16 -0600 EHLO mail.mn-linux.org 250-hermes.sistina.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1] 250-SIZE 250-PIPELINING 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN 250-STARTTLS 250 HELP AUTH PLAIN AGJsdXRnZW5zAHBhc3N3b3Jk 235 Authentication succeeded MAIL FROM: blutgens@sistina.com 250 is syntactically correct RCPT To: blutgens@mediaone.net 250 is syntactically correct DATA 354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself I am a mail, ph33r me . 250 OK id=16DDWL-0000lx-00 #--- end SMTP session I wasn't able to find telnet-ssl as easily as I did netcat-ssl so that's what I went with. So now my windows users, and linux users who use mozilla|netscape mail can relay via SMTP-AUTH over TLS on port 25 and the braindead SMTP clients can use port 465. I also noticed that now that my server is advertising it speaks TLS mail from other servers like sprite.real-time.com exchange mail with my server over TLS too. Which is nice. Anyway, just thought someone might find this useful. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or are you referring to 4.1.99? > I should have said the latest cvs tree, which should be the "soon to be released 4.2". -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From jack at jacku.com Sun Dec 9 22:22:09 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems, problems, problems In-Reply-To: <15137364.1007928957875.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> References: <15137364.1007928957875.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> Message-ID: <01120921191300.00863@geezer> On Sunday 09 December 2001 14:15, Marc Olivier wrote: > We got some kind of networking to work momentarily, then all networking > died on the Windows PC. Does anyone know what would cause this to happen, > yet the network card settings on the windoze pc says it's up and running > fine? I swapped network cards, I tried different patch cables, including > crossover cables (yes they were from Belkin, that is the only brand the > store carries), but no networking. For the benefit of those of us who weren't part of the installfest help session can you provide the following: 1. What type of network cards in the Windows 98 boxes? 2. What is the workgroup set to on Windows and Samba? 3. What parameters are set on the Microsoft Networking Client for Windows? Not being able to connect to samba shares has often been either an authentication thing, (smbpasswd, etc. not set properly) or workgroup naming problem (when trying to browse shares), or setup issue like user level authentication when no domain is specified. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 9 22:44:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vipul's razor In-Reply-To: <20011208102744.A8264@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 10:27:44AM -0600 References: <20011208102744.A8264@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011209163759.D14148@real-time.com> Quoting Dan Drake (drake+tclug@lemongecko.org): > I noticed that the spam filter Vipul's Razor[1] is now in Debian > unstable, and I'd like to try it. Has anyone here used it? Yes. > and noticed that it's no more than several clever Perl scripts -- how > well does it work? Works great. > What's the false positive rate? It seems like it would be easy to poison > the system by, for instance, sending signatures of TCLUG messages to the > razor server. Is there any mechanism to "purify" the database of false > positives? Not sure on the rate, but the razor-user list has a long discussion on false positives, retractions, etc. > Or, are there any other good solutions like this around? I don't get > much spam, but I'd like to stop what does come my way. Spamcop is pretty effective and forwarding your spam to orbz help track those nasty open relays. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sun Dec 9 22:59:54 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, here's something that will work. Delete your hosed /usr partition Create a FAT partition that is larger than 80 megs Get ZipSlack from www.slackware.com. It's a zipfile of a functioning UMSDOS system. Somehow unzip that thing into your new ?: drive. If it comes down to it you can boot a MS floppy, make the partition bootable and transfer the zip file over a floppy at a time. You could make things nice on yourself if you can move the zipfile over all at once via a SuperDisk or Zip drive. Now, use loadlin in ?:linux\root\loadlin to boot your linux kernel. This is a fully functional linux system so now you can do network access to format that other unallocated space as ext2. Heck, you could even download debian and do all your installation work from here. The point is, you're now running linux on that soon-to-be hibernation area and you can leverage that into doing an install of whatever you like. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On 8 Dec 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a challenge here. I've got a machine that lost it's /usr partition > because the machine did a hibernate over it. It's debian installed, at least > what's left of it. It has no cdrom drive and the floppy drive can't be > accessed by Linux because it's on a PCMCIA card and that doesn't appear to be > supported, but I can boot off the floppy, just can't load a ramdisk from it. > > So I want to do 2 things: > 1 - take the last partition, that was /usr, and make it two partitions, /usr, > and a 32MB FAT-16 partition (for the hibernate). This could be tricky because > I'd need to repartition a live system. > > 2 - reinstall the OS so things aren't hosed again, most any Linux distribution > would do, although I'd prefer SuSE or Debian > > Anyone got any ideas? > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8FD6XfexLsowstzcRAjW2AKC/EiVDv0hPR//y2h5df6m1/Ma8mACgynko NAWwLUypXj4vB962IT424/8= =0Z+C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 9 23:11:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: freebsd maintainer Message-ID: <20011209170152.A16220@real-time.com> Totally off-subject. Amy and I had many requests for cdr-burns for freebsd on Saturday. Yes, it's not Linux, but it is open source and both operating systems share the same spirit. So, this is a call for an official freebsd maintainer for gladiator (ftp.mn-linux.org). Right now I'm just ftp-mirror the iso images, I'd like to become an official mirror. Any takers? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From marc at ds6.net Sun Dec 9 23:42:05 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems, problems, problems In-Reply-To: <15137364.1007928957875.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com>; from molivier1@excite.com on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 12:15:57PM -0800 References: <15137364.1007928957875.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011209225736.A26908@flanders.digsol.net> > We got some kind of networking to work momentarily, then all networking died > on the Windows PC. I have had problems similar to this with various win pcs. Sometimes they wouldn't log onto the smb network when they were booted and I would have to select log off and then back on again. At one point I found a registry setting that was doing it but I can't remember what it was. Something was changing it because even after i fixed it it would do the same thing a day or two later. I never cared enough to dig further but I hope what little info that is helps. marc From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 9 23:44:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] ftp.mn-linux.org offline 08-Dec-2001 Message-ID: <20011207175123.K9194@real-time.com> What : ftp.mn-linux.org offline When : 08-Dec-2001 11:00 CST Length : estimated 12 hours Why : Installfest Details ------- Installfest 08-Dec-2001 from noon until midnight (ok, might not be that long, but I'll over estimate!). See http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ for more details. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Right now I'm just ftp-mirror the iso images, I'd like to > become an official mirror. maintainting a cvsup mirror is cake, but it's not something someone without root access could do simply. if you just want the ftp stuff that's doable with your typical ftp mirror app, but cvsup requires a running dameon etc. > > Any takers? > > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. 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Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Top Smart/Sim Card (IC Card) Connector Manufacturer Message-ID: <200112101126.fBABPsb26683@esus.mc.mpls.visi.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011210/19e1e1cf/attachment.htm From veldy at veldy.net Mon Dec 10 08:48:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: ATI Radeon Mobility - was [TCLUG] Inbstallfest - Thanks !! References: <0c36451350209c1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20011209094309.G11205@real-time.com> <20011209114749.A1160@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <002701c18186$af2087b0$3028680a@tgt.com> > > Someone on google got it work with xfree 4.2. > I've been watching the posts closely because I'm very close to buying the > A30. Unless I can snag a T21 for cheap on ebay. > XFree86 4.2.0 has not yet been released, it is over due. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Dec 10 08:49:35 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: freebsd maintainer In-Reply-To: <20011209170152.A16220@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 05:01:52PM -0600 References: <20011209170152.A16220@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011210083429.A13131@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Well, for anyone that's been dying for a local FreeBSD mirror, there's already at least one that I know of ftp://ftp.visi.com/pub/FreeBSD/ and for cvsup cvsup-freebsd.geeks.org I'm pretty sure that Qwest also has a FreeBSD mirror, but I can't recall the hostname, as well as a cvsup mirror: cvsup9.freebsd.org. Gabe On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 05:01:52PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, this is a call for an official freebsd maintainer for gladiator > (ftp.mn-linux.org). Right now I'm just ftp-mirror the iso images, I'd like to > become an official mirror. -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Dec 10 08:56:08 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: Re: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special]] Message-ID: Nate, Where can you get this for $59? >>> natecars@real-time.com 12/07/01 09:59PM >>> For any of you interested in wireless but not on the TCWUG list, Orinoco RG-1000 gateways are available for $59 now. Description below. From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Mon Dec 10 09:12:13 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> I am very interested in this aspect of things. I do not come from the Computer world, I actually have a degree in Geography with my Computer Knowledge coming from GIS (Geographic Information Systems). I taught myself DOS and Windows, because in part, they were really simple. I have this job, because I have a knack for getting computers to do what I want them to do. I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of knowledge on Perl (which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. I will be coming from a strictly boxed version and reading the setup instructions and installing the GUI's because that is where my confort level is. In the meantime I am reading a text my husband got me, Linux Unleashed. Perhaps I will keep a journal of my encounters. I also intend to put a partition for that on my desktop to play around with StarOffice and some other stuff, because if Linux gains more users on the Desktop those are the things that are going to require the most assitance and that users are going to be using the most. Sorry to go on like this, but I wanted you to have some perspective on where I'm coming from when I start asking the "dumb" questions. ;) Oh and go ahead and call me a "Newbie" my husband does. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:05:09AM -0600, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Last night at the beer meeting there was a fairly good discussion about > how non-programmers could contribute to Open Source. Most of the > discussion centered around doc writing and the like. > > Here is yet another way I found posted on The Register this morning: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23245.html that's actually a pretty good thought. I know I'm definitely in the category of 'admin who lives, eats, sleeps, and breathes in xterms'. It continues to amaze me, the things I find when I actually sit down in front of a box that's running Gnome or KDE. I'm going to try to introduce my girlfriend to Linux (she's going to have to know it, if she uses the computers at my house); but I've been despairing about how to do it. as anyone who works with me knows, I run very minimal desktop environments; which are kind of simple, even for most linux users. (lots of monitors, full of xterms and the occasional web browser, and not much else. no panels, taskbars, or icons.) I really wanted to bring her to the Installfest Saturday, so she can take a look at the different desktop environments people have; and see which one she likes. unfortunately, she has to work that day. :( guess I'm going to have to learn how to set up Gnome... without that GDM russian-roulette buisness. (yeah, it looks all pretty... until something breaks and you have to bludgeon it to death before you can properly work on your X configuration). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 10 09:17:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus protection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121009030100.00461@bleys> On Friday 07 December 2001 17:17, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Mary, > > If you come across such a product, please let > me know about it! Well..... NAI (McAfee) has Unix and Linux versions. Basically nothing more than a script to scan the samba shares, IMO. Here at work, I have a small NT 4.0 box set to scan some of our samba shares. Unforfunately, this box is running 24/7 scanning all the time..... Never played with McCrappy for *nix, don't think I want to either. Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 10 09:18:26 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anti-Virus protection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121009070501.00461@bleys> On Friday 07 December 2001 20:50, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > I do, however, use amavis to hook mail delivery through the virus scanner. > You wouldn't believe how many I can get. :) This month's Linux Journal has what looks like a great write up on how to scan mail for viruses. Haven't read it yet, but looks interesting. Shawn From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Mon Dec 10 10:20:43 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diablo II Won't Run under Winex Message-ID: I'm not quite sure what you're trying to do, but I've found BlindWrite to be a great utility to make an ISO dump of any SafeDisk 1 or 2 protected CD. Warning: it's for Windows. http://www.blindwrite.com/home.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diablo II Won't Run under Winex > > > * Ben Lutgens [011206 23:29]: > > > So you have the CVS version of the biniary packaged > version? IIRC, the CVS > > > version doesn't have support for SafeDisk (or whatever) > that's required for > > > Diablo II. > > The latest binary from transgaming supports the > copy-protection scheme > > that diablo2 uses. > > Black and white still didn't work though for some reason :| > > I'll have to mess with it some more. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: > Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! > Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! > -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From fish at slava.net Mon Dec 10 10:21:40 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011210093542.A4368@slava.net> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 07:33:03AM -0600, Mary Ayala typed: > I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of knowledge on Perl > (which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. I don't know any Perl, and before I got Linux on my own box I knew only the following command line things: ls, rm, cp, mv, vi, lpr, and g++. And I didn't know any of the options for those at all. And then my friend installed Slackware for me.... Just so you don't think we are all miles ahead of you, there are a few of us other "newbies" out there. You couldn't possibly ask more stupid questions than I do -- I'm "high-maintenance Lorry!" :) Lorry From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 10 10:30:56 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] filtering mail in Sylpheed In-Reply-To: <20011128153743.C20593@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> <20011128153743.C20593@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011128181843.C929@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:38:47PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > Is anyone able to get message filtering to work in Sylpheed? I've tried > making rules a dozen times, and the software just seems to totally ignore > all of them. The rulemaking process is pretty simple, and I really can't > imagine what I am screwing up. Don't bother. Just use procmail and dump the email into the folder by placing a "/." after it. Note, you don't need a lock file any longer. :0 * ^TOme@mydomain.tld my_mhfolder/. This won't touch the unseen sequence in my_mhfolder/.mh_sequences, but that's not a big deal; sylpheed doesn't look at the mh stuff anyway. It just reads the directory and manipulates the directory on its own. (Not that difficult when the email is one separate file per email, not strings attached.) IMHO, mh directories are a bit easier to grep than maildir directories. That whole random-string naming convention and multiple subdirectories per folder thing messes with my head. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay From florin at iucha.net Mon Dec 10 11:52:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL>; from Mary@DesignerDoors.com on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 07:33:03AM -0600 References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011210101507.B14035@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 07:33:03AM -0600, Mary Ayala wrote: > I am very interested in this aspect of things. I do not come from the > Computer world, I actually have a degree in Geography with my Computer > Knowledge coming from GIS (Geographic Information Systems). I taught myself > DOS and Windows, because in part, they were really simple. That is not true. DOS and Windows are not simpler, are _smaller_. In my experience, the hardest things for people to understand are files and directories. > I have this job, > because I have a knack for getting computers to do what I want them to do. > I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of knowledge on Perl > (which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. That's not true either. My wife browses the web, listens to music and uses e-mail without the command line and without Perl :) One of my teachers once said: you can be comfortable with a foreign language when you know how to ask for food, for the restroom... Start with the most basig things and learn what you need. Don't be put off by what somebody else does. I have no clue how to change the oil but I still drive my car... > I will be coming from a > strictly boxed version and reading the setup instructions and installing the > GUI's because that is where my confort level is. In the meantime I am > reading a text my husband got me, Linux Unleashed. Perhaps I will keep a > journal of my encounters. I also intend to put a partition for that on my > desktop to play around with StarOffice and some other stuff, because if > Linux gains more users on the Desktop those are the things that are going to > require the most assitance and that users are going to be using the most. > > Sorry to go on like this, but I wanted you to have some perspective on where > I'm coming from when I start asking the "dumb" questions. ;) There are no dumb questions. Just "do your homework" and give some context. For instance: "My printer is not working. HELP!" Won't get you anything but "My works."... While: "I have a FooBaz-15 printer connected to my Paralell port and I have installed PrinterMunger v0.24 and I get a black line on the middle of the page. I have saw the option --no-black-line in the manual but then the program crashes" will more likely give you a usefull answer. Also, don't forget to Search The Fine Web for your problem first... > Oh and go ahead and call me a "Newbie" my husband does. Oh, and that will help, how? Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011210/52556644/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Dec 10 12:40:40 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GIS was Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh cool! Ok, so I'm coming from the other direction. I'm very geeky but I'd like to start working GIS into my projects. I'm feeling bit overwhelmed by all the different projections, data types (esri, arcview, vector, bitmap, shape) and file types. Can you recommend a sort of GIS for Dummies? Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Mary Ayala wrote: > I am very interested in this aspect of things. I do not come from the > Computer world, I actually have a degree in Geography with my Computer > Knowledge coming from GIS (Geographic Information Systems). I taught myself > DOS and Windows, because in part, they were really simple. I have this job, > because I have a knack for getting computers to do what I want them to do. > I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of knowledge on Perl > (which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. I will be coming from a > strictly boxed version and reading the setup instructions and installing the > GUI's because that is where my confort level is. In the meantime I am > reading a text my husband got me, Linux Unleashed. Perhaps I will keep a > journal of my encounters. I also intend to put a partition for that on my > desktop to play around with StarOffice and some other stuff, because if > Linux gains more users on the Desktop those are the things that are going to > require the most assitance and that users are going to be using the most. > > Sorry to go on like this, but I wanted you to have some perspective on where > I'm coming from when I start asking the "dumb" questions. ;) > > Oh and go ahead and call me a "Newbie" my husband does. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source > > > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:05:09AM -0600, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > Last night at the beer meeting there was a fairly good discussion about > > how non-programmers could contribute to Open Source. Most of the > > discussion centered around doc writing and the like. > > > > Here is yet another way I found posted on The Register this morning: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23245.html > > that's actually a pretty good thought. I know I'm definitely in the category > of 'admin who lives, eats, sleeps, and breathes in xterms'. It continues to > amaze me, the things I find when I actually sit down in front of a box > that's running Gnome or KDE. > > I'm going to try to introduce my girlfriend to Linux (she's going to have to > know it, if she uses the computers at my house); but I've been despairing > about how to do it. as anyone who works with me knows, I run very minimal > desktop environments; which are kind of simple, even for most linux users. > (lots of monitors, full of xterms and the occasional web browser, and not > much else. no panels, taskbars, or icons.) > > I really wanted to bring her to the Installfest Saturday, so she can take a > look at the different desktop environments people have; and see which one > she likes. unfortunately, she has to work that day. :( > > guess I'm going to have to learn how to set up Gnome... without that GDM > russian-roulette buisness. (yeah, it looks all pretty... until something > breaks and you have to bludgeon it to death before you can properly work on > your X configuration). > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8FPCSfexLsowstzcRAkaMAKCwQ5fuY1vTEDxKeX7WGU5R3tTolQCgnRSD s1m05VXGNJ3szV8H+G1wWX8= =tqzb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 10 12:54:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1DD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Is it possible to convert a running system to have all volumes managed under LVM, including root? Does anyone know what the future is for LVM? Is it going to have support for online relayouts, 0+1, 1+0 (like Veritas striped pro volumes), etc. ? After using Sun's, and Veritas' volume managers under solaris, I really would like to have something like this on my linux boxes. It's pretty cool when you can take a 500GB database partition and change it from RAID-5 to Striped pro without taking anything offline, or convert from 0+1 to 1+0 using the same disks. Jay From wilson at visi.com Mon Dec 10 13:11:54 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Mary Ayala wrote: > I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of knowledge on Perl > (which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. I will be coming from a > strictly boxed version and reading the setup instructions and installing the > GUI's because that is where my confort level is. Knowing Perl is not a prerequisite for learning Linux. There are certainly lots of tools written in Perl, but you don't need to know it to use them. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 10 13:22:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: Re: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special]] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Where can you get this for $59? Two guys that have 'em: rickl@invictusnetworks.com cwu@cwlab.com Both guys are pretty decent. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Dec 10 13:34:30 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378180@DDMAIL> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mary Ayala |Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:33 AM |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source | | |I am very interested in this aspect of things. I do not come from the |Computer world, I actually have a degree in Geography with my Computer |Knowledge coming from GIS (Geographic Information Systems). I |taught myself |DOS and Windows, because in part, they were really simple. I have |this job, |because I have a knack for getting computers to do what I want them to do. |I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of |knowledge on Perl |(which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. I will be So? My degrees are in Ancient Mediterranean Languages, can't get much more irrelevant than that :) I don't know Perl, didn't even know as much Unix as you say you do when I started using Linux 3 + years ago. (some people would say I still don't, but that's another story). I started out with a machine that I could crash and play with to my heart's delight. That, lots of how-tos and searching the newsgroups. I wish I had known about this group then, I would have saved hours of work, but probably wouldn't have learned as much :) Don't be afraid to try things and see if they break, just keep a backup of the config files before you start to play--I never did and ended up reinstalling more times than I care to remember, and a reinstall on a 486 takes a l-o-n-g time. Happy playing. James From bhenak at att.net Mon Dec 10 13:42:46 2001 From: bhenak at att.net (bhenak@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache quits after 1-2 days Message-ID: <20011210185606.TYAO5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hello- I am a senior Academy of Holy Angels in Richfield. I am currently setting up a Web/FTP server with Mandrake-Linux on a 450 Mhz AMD with 190Mb of Ram and a 2 GB Hard Drive. I have my system fully configured and running out side a firewall but the web and FTP servers stop running after 1-2 days. The computer i still running it just doesn't serve the page. Any Ideas would be great. Thanx for you time, Brandon From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 10 13:56:17 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LVM In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1DD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1DD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011210191530.GJ32706@wookimus.net> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:41:30AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Is it possible to convert a running system to have all volumes managed > under LVM, including root? Qualification: running Answer: no Qualification: rebooted to single user Answer: yes FAQ located at: http://www.sistina.com/lvm_howtos/lvm_howto/ > Does anyone know what the future is for LVM? Is it going to have > support for online relayouts, 0+1, 1+0 (like Veritas striped pro > volumes), etc. ? IIRC, LVM will continue to support striping, however, it will not do mirroring. That is what software raid is for. The devices are stackable, so you should have no problems. You should be able to do: harddrives|sofware RAID 0|LVM+striping harddrives|hardware RAID 0|LVM+striping harddrives|hardware RAID 0+1|LVM harddrives|LVM|sofware RAID 0+1 etc... > After using Sun's, and Veritas' volume managers under solaris, I > really would like to have something like this on my linux boxes. It's > pretty cool when you can take a 500GB database partition and change it > from RAID-5 to Striped pro without taking anything offline, or convert > from 0+1 to 1+0 using the same disks. That's a trick and a half if there was no LVM installed to begin with. You can convert an existing system completely to LVM, with the exception of /boot (unless you have a patched Lilo), if you have less than one half of the harddrive space occupied and you're willing to use parted. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure some of you folks could make huge improvements on its implementation. That is my opinion. * Shawn (fertch@mninter.net) wrote: > On Friday 07 December 2001 20:50, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > > I do, however, use amavis to hook mail delivery through the virus scanner. > > You wouldn't believe how many I can get. :) > > > This month's Linux Journal has what looks like a great write up on how to > scan mail for viruses. Haven't read it yet, but looks interesting. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011210/320e9e4d/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 10 14:25:14 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] filtering mail in Sylpheed In-Reply-To: <20011128181843.C929@wookimus.net> References: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> <20011128153743.C20593@beaver.iucha.org> <20011128181843.C929@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011210165130.GG32706@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:18:43PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Don't bother. Just use procmail and dump the email into the folder by > placing a "/." after it. Note, you don't need a lock file any longer. There's that time-warp factor again. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It made a huge difference! We were able to actually get all CD burn requests done before the installfest ended for a change. Perhaps for next InstallFest we can take some pre-orders for CD burns to help speed up the process. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From veldy at veldy.net Mon Dec 10 15:01:26 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache quits after 1-2 days References: <20011210185606.TYAO5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <00c701c181b7$7dc9cce0$3028680a@tgt.com> Perhaps something is configured incorrectly and you are running out of space on your machine because your logs are filling up? Just a though. More information is needed. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Apache quits after 1-2 days > Hello- > I am a senior Academy of Holy Angels in Richfield. I > am currently setting up a Web/FTP server with > Mandrake-Linux on a 450 Mhz AMD with 190Mb of > Ram and a 2 GB Hard Drive. I have my system fully > configured and running out side a firewall but the > web and FTP servers stop running after 1-2 days. > The computer i still running it just doesn't serve the > page. Any Ideas would be great. > > Thanx for you time, > Brandon From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 10 15:15:28 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP-AUTH TLS with exim. In-Reply-To: <1007941483.1312.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: On 9 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > after a little tinkering I was able to get my SMTP-AUTH-TLS completely > working. Once getting exim rebuild with TLS support i had the problem > testing it. Turns out that evolution can't do TLS the way exim handles > it. Exim does the TLS buy spawning the daemon on port 25, then asking > the client on connect if it can speak TLS. If so, STARTTLS happens and > then AUTH over that as well as the data channel transactions. > > So what I ended up doing was running stunnel on port 465 to spawn an > exim process inetd style like so. *snip* Other way of doing it is to set up a local mail server (non-daemon) that uses your SSL mail server as a Smart Relay.. can be less of a hassle. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 10 15:20:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vipul's razor Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> So how did you integrate Razor with postfix? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 4:38 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Vipul's razor > > > Quoting Dan Drake (drake+tclug@lemongecko.org): > > I noticed that the spam filter Vipul's Razor[1] is now in Debian > > unstable, and I'd like to try it. Has anyone here used it? > > Yes. > > > and noticed that it's no more than several clever Perl > scripts -- how > > well does it work? > > Works great. > > > What's the false positive rate? It seems like it would be easy to > > poison the system by, for instance, sending signatures of TCLUG > > messages to the razor server. Is there any mechanism to > "purify" the > > database of false positives? > > Not sure on the rate, but the razor-user list has a long > discussion on false positives, retractions, etc. > > > Or, are there any other good solutions like this around? I > don't get > > much spam, but I'd like to stop what does come my way. > > Spamcop is pretty effective and forwarding your spam to orbz > help track those nasty open relays. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Mon Dec 10 15:35:09 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache quits after 1-2 days In-Reply-To: <20011210185606.TYAO5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> References: <20011210185606.TYAO5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011210143038.71d7f6dd.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:56:06 +0000 bhenak@att.net wrote: I have my system fully > configured and running out side a firewall but the > web and FTP servers stop running after 1-2 days. > The computer i still running it just doesn't serve the > page. Any Ideas would be great. Are the ftpd and httpd processes still running or not? If not is there any trace in the logs (/var/log/messages errors etc.) about how/why/when they died? When the machine is acting broken, do the other network services (like telnet, ssh) still work, or are they down as well? -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 10 15:36:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache quits after 1-2 days Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1E1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Have you looked for any errors in /var/log/httpd/ ? FTP dies too?? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: bhenak@att.net [mailto:bhenak@att.net] > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:56 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Apache quits after 1-2 days > > > Hello- > I am a senior Academy of Holy Angels in Richfield. I > am currently setting up a Web/FTP server with > Mandrake-Linux on a 450 Mhz AMD with 190Mb of > Ram and a 2 GB Hard Drive. I have my system fully > configured and running out side a firewall but the > web and FTP servers stop running after 1-2 days. > The computer i still running it just doesn't serve the > page. Any Ideas would be great. > > Thanx for you time, > Brandon > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Mon Dec 10 15:37:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is (or is not) an ISO image? In-Reply-To: <20011210104126.A11910@titanium.sistina.com> References: <20011210104126.A11910@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011210143557.0ff92b52.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:41:26 -0600 "Ben Lutgens" wrote: > This don't do you any good if you're trying to run a copy protected win32 > game under wine. You sure you didn't intend to post your message to some > windows maling list? Unix users use dd to take iso images of cds. So is any binary image of a cdrom considered an ISO image? That doesn't really make sense if you think about it. For instance, wouldn't a binary image of a Mac HFS disk be an HFS image? (Mac cdroms need to be mounted -t HFS and not iso9660) What about a binary image of a game disk that has some readable files, but 75% of the game data in some (invisible) raw format; would that be some sort of hybrid image? These questions just popped up. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Dec 10 16:37:52 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms Message-ID: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I need to remove a previous version of mysql and install the newest. When trying to remove the previous version it complains about dependencies . I don't know what to do about it, so I end up with a successful install of the new version. Any help would be appreciated rpm -e mysql-3.23.36-1 error: removing these packages would break dependencies: mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-devel-3.23.36-1 mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 mysql is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by rpm2html-1.5-4 Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011210/fd765061/attachment.html From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 10 16:45:54 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing task packages in debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011210215906.GK32706@wookimus.net> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 01:45:55PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > I'm running debian unstable. I installed the "desktop environment" > task via tasksel and I'm wondering if there is a way to remove the > entire task thats now installed. The man page for tasksel doesn't > cover uninstalling an entire task, nor does apt-get or dpkg. The easiest way to do this is to get the source for tasksel and look at the lists in $topdir/tasks. For each package in the list, do an "echo $package purge | dpkg --set-selections" Then issue an "apt-get dselect-upgrade -yu". That should clean up most of what you installed. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then my AUTH session isn't encrypted. I can still send on port 25 but I don't get any AUTH since I won't allow AUTH w/o SSL/TLS. Actually setting up stunnel to run from inetd as a wrapper of another exim was cake. I was just the fact that I didn't want to admin that evolution couldn't do what M$ garbage does natively. :-) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011210/a7d7bebf/attachment.pgp From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 10 16:55:47 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Post installfest Message-ID: <01121017175805.00461@bleys> Thanks to everyone who hung around and helped me out with my old SCO server: Steve and Lion are the only two that I can recall names. As well as Clay helping me to carry some of my stuff upstairs. Apologies for those whom their names slip my mind. The old SCO server is now being reincarnated in a new case. It's a full tower AT case (got it, as well as a P-133 a P-233 and a couple of really good things from a friend's house that I swung by after the installfest). Needs a processor (Pentium 100), but I'm thinking of parting out another machine to get this one running. As well as help clear out some older machine stuff, wife will be happy about that. Seeing a couple of people at the installfest with the "Official Slack 8" release got me thinking again that I still haven't received my order yet.... I placed the oder the same day that they made it available. I received one e-mail telling me that there was an error on the shirt ordering process, and that all I had to do was to respond back to the mail and it would be handled. I've written to that same address ( webmaster@store.slackware.com ) and have not received any kind of response at all. I've posted a couple of messages to the message board, and haven't seen anything responded to there either. Today, I made my final attempt at contacting them via e-mail. If they don't respond, I'm taking it one step further. I'd have to go through my statements, but I'm almost positive that I was charged for the order. If that's the case, I'll pursue in even further matters.... It just pisses me off that a company that has been around as long as Slackware, as well as being a major distro, would not respond to any e-mails I've sent them. To me, it's not good business practice to do what they've done to myself as well as others that I've read on the message boards. Yes, I know you can download it for free. I was trying to be nice and support Slackware for future development. If this continues, I'm ready to go to something else full blown. Debian would be my next choice. Hopefully the rest of the distros don't do this if you try to buy from them directly.... Shawn From nate at techie.com Mon Dec 10 17:12:06 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1D7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 10:12:40AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1D7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011210120858.A27211@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 10:12:40AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > is. In the meantime I am reading a text my husband got me, > > Linux Unleashed. > > There are much better books out there. The "Unleashed series" is a cobbled > together mess with lots of fluff. Agreed. For newbies, I always recommend "The no BS Guide to ..." I think the last revision was for RedHat 6.x, but most of the material is still relevant. Nate From amy at real-time.com Mon Dec 10 17:36:26 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms In-Reply-To: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:44:00PM -0600 References: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011210164419.W18760@real-time.com> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:44:00PM -0600, Raymond Norton (ray@lctn.k12.mn.us) wrote: > I need to remove a previous version of mysql and install the newest. When trying to remove the previous version it complains about dependencies . I don't know what to do about it, so I end up with a successful install of the new version. Any help would be appreciated > > rpm -e mysql-3.23.36-1 > error: removing these packages would break dependencies: > mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-devel-3.23.36-1 > mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > mysql is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by rpm2html-1.5-4 Do an upgrade of mysql, rather than an uninstall/reinstall. rpm -Uvh you'll probably want to upgrade the client, server, and devel tools at once: rpm -Uvh note: mysql is the client, mysql-server is the server, mysql-devel is the development tools for mysql. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Dec 10 17:37:48 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing task packages in debian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hello- > > I'm running debian unstable. I installed the "desktop environment" task via > tasksel and I'm wondering if there is a way to remove the entire task thats > now installed. The man page for tasksel doesn't cover uninstalling an entire > task, nor does apt-get or dpkg. > Not using tasksel. Tasksel is for installing tasks, and that's about it. It's supposed to be an easy way and quick way to get related packages installed. To get rid of things, you would want to use a frontend like diety, dselect, or just apt-get. Im sure there's a way you could use your shell of choice to grep through /var/lib/dpkg/available and spit out packages with the Task: desktop flag, then just pipe it to apt-get remove or something, but I'm not going to figure out how. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From andy at theasis.com Mon Dec 10 17:40:12 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms In-Reply-To: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: > I need to remove a previous version of mysql and install the newest. When trying to remove the previous version it complains about dependencies . I don't know what to do about it, so I end up with a successful install of the new version. Any help would be appreciated > > rpm -e mysql-3.23.36-1 why not just update them in place, using rpm -Uvh Andy > Raymond From florin at iucha.net Mon Dec 10 17:41:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms In-Reply-To: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:44:00PM -0600 References: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011210165051.A11563@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:44:00PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I need to remove a previous version of mysql and install the newest. When trying to remove the previous version it complains about dependencies . I don't know what to do about it, so I end up with a successful install of the new version. Any help would be appreciated > > rpm -e mysql-3.23.36-1 > error: removing these packages would break dependencies: > mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-devel-3.23.36-1 > mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > mysql is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by rpm2html-1.5-4 Don't do that. Just get the new rpms for mysql, mysql-devel and mysql-server and ran rpm -U mysql-.rpm mysql-devel-.rpm mysql-server-.rpm NOTE: you must give all the packages to upgrade on the same command line. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know what to do about it, so I end up with a successful install of the new version. Any help would be appreciated rpm -e mysql-3.23.36-1 error: removing these packages would break dependencies: mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-devel-3.23.36-1 mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 mysql is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by rpm2html-1.5-4 Raymond From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Mon Dec 10 17:49:20 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms In-Reply-To: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <1008025049.12489.15.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> rpm -Uvh mysql.new.version.i386.rpm --nodeps On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 15:44, Raymond Norton wrote: > I need to remove a previous version of mysql and install the newest. When trying to remove the previous version it complains about dependencies . I don't know what to do about it, so I end up with a successful install of the new version. Any help would be appreciated > > rpm -e mysql-3.23.36-1 > error: removing these packages would break dependencies: > mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-devel-3.23.36-1 > mysql = 3.23.36 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > mysql is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by php-mysql-4.0.4pl1-9 > libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by rpm2html-1.5-4 > > > Raymond From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Dec 10 19:16:37 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: <20011210104126.A11910@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > This don't do you any good if you're trying to run a copy protected win32 > game under wine. You sure you didn't intend to post your message to some > windows maling list? Unix users use dd to take iso images of cds. dd does not work with copy protected CD -munir > > -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Dec 10 19:21:29 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is (or is not) an ISO image? In-Reply-To: <20011210143557.0ff92b52.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > So is any binary image of a cdrom considered an ISO image? That doesn't > really make sense if you think about it. For instance, wouldn't a binary > image of a Mac HFS disk be an HFS image? (Mac cdroms need to be mounted -t > HFS and not iso9660) What about a binary image of a game disk that has > some readable files, but 75% of the game data in some (invisible) raw > format; would that be some sort of hybrid image? Actually it makes perfect sense if you think about it, consider this: A Compact Disc consists of the Plastic Plater with pits in it and a reflective metal (simply put that is) now consider each pit a 0 and each non-pit a 1, dd should be able to read the pits and non-pits as a binary stream and save it to disk as an image (call it .img or .iso it makes no difference) now concerning HFS, Juliet, or RockRidge or what it is, it just like the difference between a elf and MS-DOS executable, both are binary files made up of zeros and ones but it is how the zeros and ones are arranged that make them different. > > These questions just popped up. Keep them poping, the more the merrier... -munir From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 10 19:30:37 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Danger! Will Robinson, Danger! Section III(J)(2) MS settlement Message-ID: <20011210180752.N13316@real-time.com> Call me crazy, but I read the MS proposed settlement. Ok, I read it, didn't get much from it, so read it again after reading this: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20011206.html In particular this Section III(J)(2), if Cringely is right, this is very, very bad. Anyone with a better understanding of legal-speak? The proposed settlement makes LISP look easy to read. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Mon Dec 10 19:46:15 2001 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotplug at startup Message-ID: <0617e5850000bc1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Well, I *thought* I'd managed to reproduce everything from the installfest. Unfortunately, I missed hotplug at startup. A Google search hasn't helped yet. Can anyone remind me how to get hotplug running at startup? Thanks, - Jared From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Dec 10 19:49:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) In-Reply-To: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com> References: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011128184310.Z30126@ringworld.org> * duncan [011128 17:14]: > Google has stats on search queires on sept 11th, as well as other dates: http://september11.archive.org/ Also very neat. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From mbresnah at visi.com Mon Dec 10 20:13:01 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question Message-ID: I'm hoping someone can help me with some home networking. My apartment is pre-wired with CAT5 cables. There are 2 RJ45 connections in the living room and one in each bedroom upstairs. All 4 RJ45 have cables attached to them that lead to the closet downstairs. In the closet are 4 RJ45 connectors on the opposite end of the cables. In one of the bedrooms are 3 PCs and a Cisco 675 DSL modem and there will be one PC downstairs. I have 10 7' CAT5 cables, 1 8 port 10/100 dual speed, and 1 4 port 10baseT hub. How can I make this network work? I tried simply putting the 4 port hub in the closet, connecting it to the 4 RJ45 connections. This works fine as long as I don't introduce the 2nd hub, however this configuration only allows one of the 4 nodes in the bedroom to be connected because there is only one jack in the bedroom. So I tried connecting the 8 port hub into the wall jack in the bedroom and connecting the 4 nodes to it, but this rendered my network useless. The machine downstairs cannot see the DSL router or any of the other PCs. Can I not connect 2 hubs together like that? If not, how do I make my network work? Do I need a switch? A router? Mike From houle at citilink.com Mon Dec 10 21:27:00 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Danger! Will Robinson, Danger! Section III(J)(2) MS settlement In-Reply-To: <20011210180752.N13316@real-time.com> Message-ID: I read the settlement also and have submitted some of my comments to the DOJ. I think that it is imperative that people respond so it goes on the record. I think it should be in a thoughtful way so it does not just get dismissed. If you wait you may end up missing the deadline so do it as soon as possible. I think some response is better than none at all. To quote from Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." So act today and advise other people and groups about this vehicle. More information is posted on the TCLUG site at: http://www.mn-linux.org/news/ and also on the TCPC site at: http://www.tcpc.com Terry Houle -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Danger! Will Robinson, Danger! Section III(J)(2) MS settlement Call me crazy, but I read the MS proposed settlement. Ok, I read it, didn't get much from it, so read it again after reading this: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20011206.html In particular this Section III(J)(2), if Cringely is right, this is very, very bad. Anyone with a better understanding of legal-speak? The proposed settlement makes LISP look easy to read. -- From mbresnah at visi.com Mon Dec 10 21:35:47 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nevermind. I got it working with the help of "Legendre" and "Rias". Thanks, guys! Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Bresnahan > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:48 PM > To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux.Org > Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question > > > I'm hoping someone can help me with some home networking. My apartment is > pre-wired with CAT5 cables. There are 2 RJ45 connections in the > living room > and one in each bedroom upstairs. All 4 RJ45 have cables attached to them > that lead to the closet downstairs. In the closet are 4 RJ45 > connectors on > the opposite end of the cables. In one of the bedrooms are 3 PCs and a > Cisco 675 DSL modem and there will be one PC downstairs. I have > 10 7' CAT5 > cables, 1 8 port 10/100 dual speed, and 1 4 port 10baseT hub. How can I > make this network work? I tried simply putting the 4 port hub in the > closet, connecting it to the 4 RJ45 connections. This works fine > as long as > I don't introduce the 2nd hub, however this configuration only > allows one of > the 4 nodes in the bedroom to be connected because there is only > one jack in > the bedroom. So I tried connecting the 8 port hub into the wall > jack in the > bedroom and connecting the 4 nodes to it, but this rendered my network > useless. The machine downstairs cannot see the DSL router or any of the > other PCs. Can I not connect 2 hubs together like that? If not, how do I > make my network work? Do I need a switch? A router? > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 10 21:42:02 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008039972.1276.0.camel@minime> On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 17:43, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > This don't do you any good if you're trying to run a copy protected win32 > > game under wine. You sure you didn't intend to post your message to some > > windows maling list? Unix users use dd to take iso images of cds. He was talking about copying a cd. I was talking about play being able to play the game under wine. He mentions using some windows software to make a copy, I mentioned "dd". if dd won't make a valid copy of a cdrom it probably shouldn't legally be copied. :-) > > dd does not work with copy protected CD > > -munir > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Mac cdroms need to be mounted -t > > HFS and not iso9660) What about a binary image of a game disk that has > > some readable files, but 75% of the game data in some (invisible) raw > > format; would that be some sort of hybrid image? > > Actually it makes perfect sense if you think about it, consider this: A > Compact Disc consists of the Plastic Plater with pits in it and a > reflective metal (simply put that is) > > now consider each pit a 0 and each non-pit a 1, dd should be able to read > the pits and non-pits as a binary stream and save it to disk as an image > (call it .img or .iso it makes no difference) > > now concerning HFS, Juliet, or RockRidge or what it is, it just like the > difference between a elf and MS-DOS executable, both are binary files made > up of zeros and ones but it is how the zeros and ones are arranged that > make them different. This reply is not a flame at all, but the first part of your answer is not at all accurate. I'll talk about the first part second. To talk about the second part first, ;) only those files conforming to the ISO-9660 spec set by the International Standards Organization are considered an ISO. Whether someone bastardizes the term to mean a "CD image" is entirely different. That's why HFS or ISO are different to mount. There are other ones out there, too. As to physical storage: (First part) CD-ROM is not stored in anything even remotely resembling raw data. It is encoded with Eight to Fourteen modulation, then Cross-Interleaved Reed-Solomon Code. The net result is that in terms of pits (1's and 0's) a CD-ROM has about 2 and a half Gigabytes worth of pits, but by design only 650MB of data. The simplest way of thinking of it is that if the data are recorded 7 times, one of them is likely to read back. The more complicated way of explaining it is that there's a pattern to how they are duplicated, so that you can get what you were after by seeing how close what you actually get is to something that would be expected. The upshot is that the data isn't even recorded in 8 bit bytes, nor in order. I don't know about dd, but there do exist tools that copy one SCSI device to another in just plain raw data -- copy protection code and all. I used to have one -- but it wasn't a PC (any OS) toy. I see no reason why Linux couldn't support such a thing, but you wouldn't even bother mounting the device. Just use SCSI commands and keep it pure I/O. Sorry -- optical storage is one of my big areas of geekdom. :) I don't assume anyone cares. -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Dec 10 22:59:18 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diablo II Won't Run under Winex In-Reply-To: <1008039972.1276.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > He was talking about copying a cd. I was talking about play being able > to play the game under wine. He mentions using some windows software to > make a copy, I mentioned "dd". > > if dd won't make a valid copy of a cdrom it probably shouldn't legally > be copied. :-) last i heard i had the legal right to make "fair use" copies. But to most people here that is preaching to the choir. i guess the point that i am disputing is this: why do you say it should not legally be copied. back in the days of floppies, when you bought a program or game, the manuals instructed oyu to make copies for safe keeping. and as durable as CDs they do not last forever (just ask the people who use CDs as backup medium. another thing that i have against that statement is this: lets say i bought Diablo III, Diablo III comes on 5 CDs (hypothetically) if i install it using wine cannot umount the 1st CD to continue installation, the only recourse i have is to create ISO images, mount them loop, edit wine config to use the loop device as a cdrom, lo and behold i have 5 cdrom drives. In this case i believe it is my legal right to create an ISO image, and this is just to play the game. -munir > > > > > > > > dd does not work with copy protected CD > > > > -munir > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- From dmblevins at mediaone.net Mon Dec 10 23:02:27 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have nearly an identical setup. 1) Plugging the 10baseT hub into the dual speed hub will require a crossover cable unless the hub has one of those toggle switches to turn the last port (4, in your case) into a crossed-over port. 2) Plugging the 10baseT hub into the dual speed hub will drop the whole network down to just 10 TX, any devices that cannot do 10 TX will not be able to get on the network. I also have the 3Com Home Wireless Gateway, which has 3 switched ports plus one DMZ port. You can plug you plug the DSL modem into the DMZ port of you want to use the gateway/firewall functionality. Or, you can do like I do, plug the cable/DSL modem into the first switched port, the 8 port dual speed hub in the second via a homemade crossover cable, and the four port 10baseT hub in the third port. Then get a wireless PCMIA card for your laptop and enjoy the roaming freedom. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Bresnahan > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:48 PM > To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux.Org > Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question > > > I'm hoping someone can help me with some home networking. My apartment is > pre-wired with CAT5 cables. There are 2 RJ45 connections in the > living room > and one in each bedroom upstairs. All 4 RJ45 have cables attached to them > that lead to the closet downstairs. In the closet are 4 RJ45 > connectors on > the opposite end of the cables. In one of the bedrooms are 3 PCs and a > Cisco 675 DSL modem and there will be one PC downstairs. I have > 10 7' CAT5 > cables, 1 8 port 10/100 dual speed, and 1 4 port 10baseT hub. How can I > make this network work? I tried simply putting the 4 port hub in the > closet, connecting it to the 4 RJ45 connections. This works fine > as long as > I don't introduce the 2nd hub, however this configuration only > allows one of > the 4 nodes in the bedroom to be connected because there is only > one jack in > the bedroom. So I tried connecting the 8 port hub into the wall > jack in the > bedroom and connecting the 4 nodes to it, but this rendered my network > useless. The machine downstairs cannot see the DSL router or any of the > other PCs. Can I not connect 2 hubs together like that? If not, how do I > make my network work? Do I need a switch? A router? > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 10 23:44:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Danger! Will Robinson, Danger! Section III(J)(2) MS settlement In-Reply-To: <20011210180752.N13316@real-time.com> References: <20011210180752.N13316@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011210230832.720a4381.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Call me crazy, but I read the MS proposed settlement. Ok, I read it, > didn't get much from it, so read it again after reading this: [snip] > The proposed settlement makes LISP look easy to read. I thought most of it wasn't too hard to read, though I did print it out and read it on the couch rather than sitting in front of my computer. There's something about legalese that makes you want to bash your head through a CRT. Also, I needed to have the margins to write notes in.. I think I ended up taking about two hours to read through. I probably spent another two hours writing a response the next day (the notes were very helpful). Even though it's often a mess, legalese is written by humans and is meant to be read by humans. There's nothing really wrong with saying, "this is unreadable." There were some sentences in the document that seemed to by syntactic garbage, which made me examine them even more closely. Knowing that Microsoft and the DoJ went through the document line-by-line just makes me more suspicious of those confusing passages. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Roads? Where we're going, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ we don't need roads. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011210/a688b550/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Mon Dec 10 23:50:44 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graph of linux-kernel injection In-Reply-To: <20011128175103.I5414@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Thanks to Rias for his niffty perl script! > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/tclug-list/ Can we see the script? Andy From matthew at redroot.org Mon Dec 10 23:57:57 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How is the performance? I am running a 300 MHz Celeron with 384 MB (or so) of ram. I currently dual boot into W2K just to play Diablo... is this doable... could I actually wean myself from all M$ shite? mcd On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Tom Cross wrote: > On 28 Nov 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > > >From your screen shots I would say it works 'well'. Is it playable? I've > been trying to get Age of Empires working with wine/winex for a long > time... > > From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 11 00:23:39 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129.14072100@gromit.> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129.14072100@gromit.> Message-ID: <20011129104245.B15712@fandre.com> Doesn't surprise me. I hear they an idiot for an admin. ;-) On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Petre Scheie wrote: > Netscape says it can't find the server people.sistina.com. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 11/28/01, 10:15:29 PM, Ben Lutgens wrote > regarding [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version: > > > > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > System Administrator > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > > fire." > > - George Carlin > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 11 00:36:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> On almost the same note, does anyone know of a console email app that does IMAP without the use of fetchmail? I want one that only grabs the headers, and then only retreives the whole message when I select it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret Baptist [mailto:bbaptist@iexposure.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > Kmail uses the mbox format, anything that can read mbox can > read your mail. > > I hope that helps. > > Bret. > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 09:28 am, you wrote: > > No, that is a windows smtp client. > > > > Does anyone know if Mutt or Pine (or anything else) uses > the same format as > > Kmail? That would be an ideal solution > > > > Jay > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 06:37 am, you wrote: > > > I am not sure if this holds the answer for you, but there > is a command > > > line mail program on the Blat site, Getmail. > > > > > > http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/blat.html > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jay Kline" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:08 AM > > > Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > > > I read almost all my mail sitting at my desk where I > have Xwindows, and > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > I use Kmail because I like it. However, once and a > while I need to > > > > access > > > > > > my > > > > > > > mail from remote, and all I have availible to me is vnc > (yuck) or ssh. > > > > Is there a decent console mail client that is > compatable with Kmail's > > > > > > storage? I > > > > > > > need this more for reading existing email than > downloading new messages > > > > or sending mail. I am not 100% sure about the format > Kmail uses (mbox > > > > ?) so > > > > > > if > > > > > > > anyone knows that, I can try to find someting on my own too. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > > > Minnesota > > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Bret Baptist > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > bbaptist@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > (612)676-1946 x17 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > ------------------------------------------ > > -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the > potential of fracturing osseous structure, but appellations > will eternally remain innocuous. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Dec 11 00:52:53 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is (or is not) an ISO image? In-Reply-To: <20011210212038.C27621@rephil.org> Message-ID: > I don't know about dd, but there do exist tools that copy one SCSI > device to another in just plain raw data -- copy protection code and > all. I used to have one -- but it wasn't a PC (any OS) toy. I see no > reason why Linux couldn't support such a thing, but you wouldn't even > bother mounting the device. Just use SCSI commands and keep it pure > I/O. I believe at least one of the copy protection schemes used, Safedisc, writes a cryptographic signature on the CD that cannot be read or written using "normal" means. I'm not sure what "normal" means exactly, so don't ask. When the application starts up, it checks for the presense of this signature on the CD. If its not there, the application aborts. I don't think there is any easy way to copy the signature, therefore pirates hex edit the executable to remove the code that checks the CD. They then copy everything except the signature. I believe you can read more at www.gamecopyworld.com . Mike From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 11 01:08:45 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011129092512.A26725@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:25:12AM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011128095423.7aa2ab3d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011129092512.A26725@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011129112737.E4560@real-time.com> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:23AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > That's cool.. Anyone know of PC motherboards that split off and have > > several PCI buses? It'd be great to stick slower devices on one bus (ISA > > bus, USB, etc), then faster bits on another (Ethernet, FireWire, IDE > > and/or SCSI). I guess Apple does something like this on some of their > > machines (my brother's PowerBook, at least). > > > > Then again, maybe there isn't much of an advantage to that.. > > I just put together an ABIT KT7A-based system last night and, based on > (my memory of) the system diagrams in the manual, it appears to have > something similar to what you describe with one bus (the "north bridge") > handling PCI cards and a separate bus ("south bridge") for the single > ISA slot, PS/2 connector, keyboard, etc. yeah, it's normal to split the PCI and ISA buses apart; since they're completely different architectures. multiple PCI buses on x86 machines are common on the really big servers (quads and octuples); they need to be. there's only so many PCI devices you can put on a bus, and only so much bandwidth you can get out of it. I think the Compaq 8-ways have 3 PCI busses; but don't quote me on that. as I understand it, 64-bit PCI devices are limited to only 2 per bus (something to do with impedance problems, tho I don't remember clearly). so if a machine has more than 2 64-bit PCI slots; it needs multiple busses, or else only 2 of them will be usable at a time. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Dec 11 01:11:18 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beer meeting rescheduling Message-ID: Hi Thirsty LUGies- There will be no beermeeting this week. I'm going to reschedule for next week, so we would have meetings the 6th and 20th of december and then start the new year of beer(meetings) on the 3rd. Jacque From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 11 01:24:51 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:15:29PM -0600 References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011129120018.H4560@real-time.com> > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ very cool. how badly does it crush the box? I tried running Starcraft in a Wine 'desktop' (because otherwise it's an unmanaged window); and it was too slow, even on my 1.1GHz machine. so when I play Starcraft, I just log in as a different user; and run a 640x480 desktop with no window manager. Still a bit of lag on the sounds; but I'm using regular Wine instead of WineX, and I hear WineX does sound a bit better. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Dec 11 02:03:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Home networking question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011211010427.B31648@ringworld.org> * David Blevins [011210 23:07]: > 1) Plugging the 10baseT hub into the dual speed hub will require a crossover The gigafast (haha) 5port 10/100 switch ive got will 'autosense' this on any port. Its pretty feerable. Cost me ~$35. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 11 02:16:45 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with "ifup" Message-ID: <1008056527.3428.9.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> I just upgraded from Mandrake 8.0 to 8.1, and now when I type "ifup eth0", it says, "Cannot open netlink socket: Address family not supported by protocol". This is a nonsense statement as far as I can tell. Does anyone know what this means? From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 11 02:21:18 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Do your hubs have uplink ports? If so, use them. If not, buy new hubs. On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 21:47, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > I'm hoping someone can help me with some home networking. My apartment is > pre-wired with CAT5 cables. There are 2 RJ45 connections in the living room > and one in each bedroom upstairs. All 4 RJ45 have cables attached to them > that lead to the closet downstairs. In the closet are 4 RJ45 connectors on > the opposite end of the cables. In one of the bedrooms are 3 PCs and a > Cisco 675 DSL modem and there will be one PC downstairs. I have 10 7' CAT5 > cables, 1 8 port 10/100 dual speed, and 1 4 port 10baseT hub. How can I > make this network work? I tried simply putting the 4 port hub in the > closet, connecting it to the 4 RJ45 connections. This works fine as long as > I don't introduce the 2nd hub, however this configuration only allows one of > the 4 nodes in the bedroom to be connected because there is only one jack in > the bedroom. So I tried connecting the 8 port hub into the wall jack in the > bedroom and connecting the 4 nodes to it, but this rendered my network > useless. The machine downstairs cannot see the DSL router or any of the > other PCs. Can I not connect 2 hubs together like that? If not, how do I > make my network work? Do I need a switch? A router? > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 11 03:54:25 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011129115136.G4560@real-time.com> References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011126105536.B1724@wookimus.net> <003001c17814$f8bbf0b0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011128173650.B929@wookimus.net> <20011129115136.G4560@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011129132234.A28431@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:51:36AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I'd be surprised if they didn't have a > > CVS for the kernel. Check it out. > I heard that the Sparc Linux and PPC Linux people have CVS > trees publicly available. don't remember for certain, tho. Yep, they're at http://vger.samba.org/. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Dec 11 06:00:38 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms References: <007501c181c3$c7efc570$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011210165051.A11563@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <005201c18223$48c4ae40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Thank everybody for your replies:) Things look a little different now that I have used some of the info from the group. This is what I get now after downloading (what I presume are the right files). Does anyone know what I can do about this? [root@support admin]# ls MySQL-devel-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm MySQL-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm MySQL-shared-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm MySQL-client-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm rpm -Uhv *.rpm error: failed dependencies: MySQL-server conflicts with mysql-server-3.23.36-1 mysql-devel >= 3.23.27 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Tue Dec 11 06:12:02 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> "Austad, Jay" said: > On almost the same note, does anyone know of a console email app that does > IMAP without the use of fetchmail? I want one that only grabs the headers, > and then only retreives the whole message when I select it. > mutt will do IMAP. My question is how do you get mutt to start with the IMAP server selected instead of the local mail file. When I start mutt I need to change to the IMAP server to get my mail correctly. From mbutler2 at mmm.com Tue Dec 11 07:43:48 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic Message-ID: THought you might like this: It's kind of a nice intro to ccNUMA: http://www.sgi.com/origin/images/hypercube.pdf Later, Mbutler From scott.w.fischer at att.net Tue Dec 11 08:11:12 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql rpms Message-ID: <20011211125737.GUQA13117.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> At this point I'd say it's probably safe to use the --force --nodeps options with -Uvh. Make sure that your current installed mysql db is not running when you do this. -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > Thank everybody for your replies:) > > Things look a little different now that I have used some of the info from > the group. This is what I get now after downloading (what I presume are the > right files). Does anyone know what I can do about this? > > [root@support admin]# ls > > MySQL-devel-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm > MySQL-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm > MySQL-shared-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm > MySQL-client-3.23.46-1.i386.rpm > > > rpm -Uhv *.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > MySQL-server conflicts with mysql-server-3.23.36-1 > > mysql-devel >= 3.23.27 is needed by perl-DBD-MySQL-1.2215-1 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Dec 11 08:41:33 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is (or is not) an ISO image? In-Reply-To: ; from Mike Bresnahan on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:09:51AM -0800 References: <20011210212038.C27621@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011211080533.B29143@rephil.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:09:51AM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > I believe at least one of the copy protection schemes used, Safedisc, writes > a cryptographic signature on the CD that cannot be read or written using > "normal" means. I'm not sure what "normal" means exactly, so don't ask. SafeDisc is a product of Macrovision, see http://www.macrovision.com/solutions/software/cdrom/pccdrom/ > When the application starts up, it checks for the presense of this signature > on the CD. If its not there, the application aborts. I don't think there > is any easy way to copy the signature, therefore pirates hex edit the > executable to remove the code that checks the CD. They then copy everything > except the signature. I believe you can read more at www.gamecopyworld.com If you read the FAQ, it says that SafeDisc is compatible with 99% of the CD-ROM players out there. What I know of these things suggests two things: 1: This is a digital watermarking scheme. They are actually playing with the encoded data as it goes on to the CD, so it really *is* tied to the physical layer. One of the leading researchers in this area is actually at our own little U of MN (Dr. Ahmed Tewfik.) 2: (mix of fact and speculation) The way that seems most likely to me for this to work is that they manipulate the recorded data so that there are correctable errors introduced on playback. If the machine is played back, the *hardware* will strip the error generating copy protection, and so the copy will be "better," in the sense that it has the data, but not the protection code. As I said in the last post, CD-R has a huge amount of overhead -- a good read can have an error rate of as high as 200 errors per second and still have 100% data accuracy. So they use some of these errors themselves. What I don't know, is how they get their hands on the error data to determine the unique signature, but those would probably be better understood if you knew SCSI/IDE programming. I'm pretty sure that *some* sort of relevant error info is presented by the hardware, and that would be how they say "this is the right disc." Otherwise, they assume it's the wrong one. -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From scott.w.fischer at att.net Tue Dec 11 08:47:51 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Guide to using the Google cache Message-ID: <20011211130644.GSES7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> OK, I need to download Dante but the download site is blocking. What's the magic incantation to seeing if it's in Google's cache? -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 From rechpj at bitstream.net Tue Dec 11 10:02:11 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:40 2005 Subject: Slackware - was [TCLUG] Post installfest In-Reply-To: <01121017175805.00461@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:17:58PM -0600 References: <01121017175805.00461@bleys> Message-ID: <20011211083438.A1279@bitstream.net> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:17:58PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > Seeing a couple of people at the installfest with the "Official Slack 8" > release got me thinking again that I still haven't received my order yet.... > > Today, I made my final attempt at contacting them via e-mail. If they don't > respond, I'm taking it one step further. I'd have to go through my > statements, but I'm almost positive that I was charged for the order. If > that's the case, I'll pursue in even further matters.... > > It just pisses me off that a company that has been around as long as > Slackware, as well as being a major distro, would not respond to any e-mails > I've sent them. To me, it's not good business practice to do what they've > done to myself as well as others that I've read on the message boards. > > Yes, I know you can download it for free. I was trying to be nice and > support Slackware for future development. This can be very frustrating, but don't be too hard on Slackware. I think they are having a hard time. They probably have very few people to handle these types of things. If people or businesses want a commercial version, they go with Redhat. If they are open source purists they go with Debian. Generally. Slackware is somewhere in the middle with a loyal but unfortunately small following. If that doesn't sway you, rememebr they are one of the Minnesota connections to Linux. I forget all the facts but Volkerding is from here. I download the distro (or get it from Nate and Carl at real-time.com) and then I send Slackware a check for the web price of. Which doesn't help if you order a shirt or hat. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From dmblevins at mediaone.net Tue Dec 11 10:12:15 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Home networking question In-Reply-To: <20011211010427.B31648@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Really, a 5 port switch for only 35 bucks, wow. Have you ever had any problems with it? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:04 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Home networking question > > > * David Blevins [011210 23:07]: > > 1) Plugging the 10baseT hub into the dual speed hub will > require a crossover > > The gigafast (haha) 5port 10/100 switch ive got will 'autosense' this on > any port. Its pretty feerable. Cost me ~$35. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Dec 11 10:22:13 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org>; from jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0000 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011211085052.A31925@knicknack.net> The following is what I've got in my .muttrc. It works to connect me to the IMAP server when mutt starts up. I got the info to set this up somewhere off the mutt.org site. stanlee is my username, webmail is the name of the IMAP server and /vol.mail/stanlee/Archives is where I archive my mail on webmail. set spoolfile="{webmail}INBOX" set imap_user="stanlee" set imap_home_namespace="{webmail}/vol.mail/stanlee/Archives" set folder="{webmail}/vol.mail/stanlee/Archives" HTH, Eric On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0000, Joseph Key wrote: > mutt will do IMAP. > > My question is how do you get mutt to start with the IMAP server selected > instead of the local mail file. When I start mutt I need to change to the > IMAP server to get my mail correctly. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 11 10:25:47 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Guide to using the Google cache Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1E4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Google only caches html, pdf's, and other "documents". If you're looking for a tarball or rpm, you won't find it there. Although, you may be able to type in the address for Dante's download page, bring it up in the cache, and find a mirror. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: scott.w.fischer@att.net [mailto:scott.w.fischer@att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:07 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Guide to using the Google cache > > > > OK, I need to download Dante but the download site is > blocking. What's the magic incantation to seeing if it's in > Google's cache? > > -swf > > -- > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney > Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A > 155C AAD3 _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 11 10:28:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1E5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Do your hubs have uplink ports? If so, use them. If not, buy new hubs. Or just do it the standard way and make or buy a crossover cable. You don't need an uplink port to hook them together. Jay From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Tue Dec 11 10:36:02 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GIS was Contributing to Open Source Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378188@DDMAIL> What do you intend to use the GIS for? Do you have some short term/long term goals that you want to achieve with it? Let me give you my direct e-mail and we can chat. That's mary@designerdoors.com -----Original Message----- From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] GIS was Contributing to Open Source -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh cool! Ok, so I'm coming from the other direction. I'm very geeky but I'd like to start working GIS into my projects. I'm feeling bit overwhelmed by all the different projections, data types (esri, arcview, vector, bitmap, shape) and file types. Can you recommend a sort of GIS for Dummies? Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Mary Ayala wrote: > I am very interested in this aspect of things. I do not come from the > Computer world, I actually have a degree in Geography with my Computer > Knowledge coming from GIS (Geographic Information Systems). I taught myself > DOS and Windows, because in part, they were really simple. I have this job, > because I have a knack for getting computers to do what I want them to do. > I do want to learn Linux, but I'm restricted by my lack of knowledge on Perl > (which you all use a lot of) and command line Unix. I will be coming from a > strictly boxed version and reading the setup instructions and installing the > GUI's because that is where my confort level is. In the meantime I am > reading a text my husband got me, Linux Unleashed. Perhaps I will keep a > journal of my encounters. I also intend to put a partition for that on my > desktop to play around with StarOffice and some other stuff, because if > Linux gains more users on the Desktop those are the things that are going to > require the most assitance and that users are going to be using the most. > > Sorry to go on like this, but I wanted you to have some perspective on where > I'm coming from when I start asking the "dumb" questions. ;) > > Oh and go ahead and call me a "Newbie" my husband does. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Contributing to Open Source > > > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:05:09AM -0600, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > Last night at the beer meeting there was a fairly good discussion about > > how non-programmers could contribute to Open Source. Most of the > > discussion centered around doc writing and the like. > > > > Here is yet another way I found posted on The Register this morning: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23245.html > > that's actually a pretty good thought. I know I'm definitely in the category > of 'admin who lives, eats, sleeps, and breathes in xterms'. It continues to > amaze me, the things I find when I actually sit down in front of a box > that's running Gnome or KDE. > > I'm going to try to introduce my girlfriend to Linux (she's going to have to > know it, if she uses the computers at my house); but I've been despairing > about how to do it. as anyone who works with me knows, I run very minimal > desktop environments; which are kind of simple, even for most linux users. > (lots of monitors, full of xterms and the occasional web browser, and not > much else. no panels, taskbars, or icons.) > > I really wanted to bring her to the Installfest Saturday, so she can take a > look at the different desktop environments people have; and see which one > she likes. unfortunately, she has to work that day. :( > > guess I'm going to have to learn how to set up Gnome... without that GDM > russian-roulette buisness. (yeah, it looks all pretty... until something > breaks and you have to bludgeon it to death before you can properly work on > your X configuration). > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8FPCSfexLsowstzcRAkaMAKCwQ5fuY1vTEDxKeX7WGU5R3tTolQCgnRSD s1m05VXGNJ3szV8H+G1wWX8= =tqzb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 11 10:46:10 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Guide to using the Google cache In-Reply-To: <20011211130644.GSES7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net > References: <20011211130644.GSES7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net > Message-ID: <1008086088.3428.26.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Type the URL into the search box, then click on the cache link. On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 07:06, scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > OK, I need to download Dante but the download site is blocking. What's the magic incantation to seeing if it's in Google's cache? > > -swf > > -- > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney > Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Tue Dec 11 11:14:55 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org>; from jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0000 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011211091722.Z18760@real-time.com> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0000, Joseph Key (jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org) wrote: > "Austad, Jay" said: > > > On almost the same note, does anyone know of a console email app that does > > IMAP without the use of fetchmail? I want one that only grabs the headers, > > and then only retreives the whole message when I select it. > > > > mutt will do IMAP. > > My question is how do you get mutt to start with the IMAP server selected > instead of the local mail file. When I start mutt I need to change to the > IMAP server to get my mail correctly. in your muttrc, add: set spoolfile={username@mailserver.domain.com}INBOX ...substituting whatever you normally type to change to your IMAP server for the spoolfile value. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From nate at techie.com Tue Dec 11 11:20:59 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with "ifup" In-Reply-To: <1008056527.3428.9.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain>; from scanman@scanman.mine.nu on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:42:07AM -0600 References: <1008056527.3428.9.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011211092911.B15696@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:42:07AM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > I just upgraded from Mandrake 8.0 to 8.1, and now when I type "ifup > eth0", it says, "Cannot open netlink socket: Address family not > supported by protocol". This is a nonsense statement as far as I can > tell. Does anyone know what this means? It means you left a few things out of your kernel that Mandrake's ifup now depends on. You want to enable CONFIG_*NETLINK*. Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 11 11:43:08 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> References: <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1008089059.1740.0.camel@minime> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 04:29, Joseph Key wrote: > "Austad, Jay" said: > > > On almost the same note, does anyone know of a console email app that does > > IMAP without the use of fetchmail? I want one that only grabs the headers, > > and then only retreives the whole message when I select it. > > > > mutt will do IMAP. http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/linux_email_setup.html This is very rudimentary but should provide the stuff you need. It's meant for my users here so edit to taste:-) > > My question is how do you get mutt to start with the IMAP server selected > instead of the local mail file. When I start mutt I need to change to the > IMAP server to get my mail correctly. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Would've been nice for them to have replied back earier with that info of them saying that it was denied.... Oh well. Shawn From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 11 11:54:49 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011211170152.GB15386@wookimus.net> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:44:31AM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > Do your hubs have uplink ports? If so, use them. If not, buy new hubs. Awful advise! See below. So a quick summary of what you have: RJ45 Location Equipment ------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 Livingroom 1 Bedroom #1 (upstairs) 1 Bedroom #2 (upstairs) 3 PC's, 1 DSL Router NA Closet (basement) 1 PC 4 Port Hub, 8 Port Hub If you plan on using your closet for equipment, your port:device count is one off. Consider getting a larger hub/switch for your closet. If you move the computer from the closet to that bedroom, you should be able to put the 4-port in the closet and the 8-port in the bedroom. All your connections should be covered. Check your 4-port hub for an uplink switch. Use that port and the similar port on the 8-port hub to connect the two together. If you do not have an uplink port on either, obtain an RJ45 crossover cable. Table: Crossover Cable PINs Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br 2 w/br br w/bl g w/gr bl w/o or Now, won't I feel like an arse if that's incorrect. ;-) BR#2 LR BR#1 [ 8 port ] || | | || 2 |3 | | `----.|,----------' 1,2,3: Std. RJ45 Patch Cable 1`-----.||| 4 4: RJ45 Crossover Cable |||| [ 4 port ] Closet So, again, try for the uplink port. Connect your hubs directly to each other (in the same room for testing purposes). You'll know it works when you have an active link light for that port on each hub. Double-check it by placing one of your three pc's on one hub, and another on the second. You should be able to ping them. Once you have this debugged in your bedroom and working, move the hub to the closet, link up, and go. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to spider a list of sites and grab URL's to .iso files and then crunch them and make a resource like linuxiso.org thanks duncan From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Dec 11 12:47:22 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Home networking question In-Reply-To: References: <20011211010427.B31648@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011211120146.D31648@ringworld.org> * David Blevins [011211 10:16]: > Really, a 5 port switch for only 35 bucks, wow. Have you ever had any > problems with it? Not yet, I got it at microcenter a few months back, but it seems the overpriced brand names started taking over. http://www.cables.cc/cgi/cart.pl?db=stuff.dat&category=hubs They've got em for $37/piece (GIGAFAST 5 port switch.) Its *metal* and seems strong. Its got mounting holes. Its a decent low-end no-name switch. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Dec 11 12:50:15 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Guide to using the Google cache In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1E4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1E4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011211120408.E31648@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011211 10:30]: > Google only caches html, pdf's, and other "documents". If you're looking > for a tarball or rpm, you won't find it there. Although, you may be able to Or your local debian mirror debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu/debian/pool/main/d/dante/dante_1.1.10.orig.tar.gz (Should be untainted sources) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 11 13:15:13 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011211091722.Z18760@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011211091722.Z18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011211114330.F13841@fandre.com> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0000, Joseph Key (jkey@tomobiki.dyndns.org) wrote: > > "Austad, Jay" said: > > > > > On almost the same note, does anyone know of a console email app that does > > > IMAP without the use of fetchmail? I want one that only grabs the headers, > > > and then only retreives the whole message when I select it. > > > > > > > mutt will do IMAP. > > > > My question is how do you get mutt to start with the IMAP server selected > > instead of the local mail file. When I start mutt I need to change to the > > IMAP server to get my mail correctly. > > in your muttrc, add: > > set spoolfile={username@mailserver.domain.com}INBOX > > ...substituting whatever you normally type to change to your IMAP server > for the spoolfile value. You can also access it like this: set spoolfile=imap://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX And if you're paranoid (like me) and your server supports simap, you can have an encrypted connection: set spoolfile=imaps://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX Of course you need to have a version of mutt compiled with SSL support. (mutt -v) From bhenak at att.net Tue Dec 11 14:45:13 2001 From: bhenak at att.net (bhenak@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Server Shutdown Message-ID: <20011211184413.MWKD5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hello- I am a senior student at the Academy of Holy Angels in Richfield we I am currently setting up a Linux web/FTP sever and hope to configure it to interact with school databases through ASP (Possibly with Chilisoft) I have been designing web pages for 6 years and along the way was the webmaster for macobsession.com and MacFare a weekly Apple related webcast. I gained the little experience I have in ASP and corporate networks through a full time I.T. internship at TCF Leasing Headquaters I.T. department over the summer. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. My current trouble involves my server automatically shutting down the apache server. It may be directly involved with the fact that it is currently still in the test phase and get very little traffic. Linux does not actually shut down or freeze up just the server. Either by coincedence or cause the shutdown happens after 1-2 days of inactivity. I check the logs and after 1-2 days of no traffic a line saying that SIGTERM or something to that effect is displayed and there are no more entries. Any ideas? AMD 450 190 Mb Ram 2Gb Hard Drive Mandrake-Linux 7.2 Thank you for your time, Brandon Henak From amy at real-time.com Tue Dec 11 14:59:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011211114330.F13841@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:43:30AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011211091722.Z18760@real-time.com> <20011211114330.F13841@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011211133144.A21480@real-time.com> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:43:30AM -0600, Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com) wrote: > > You can also access it like this: > set spoolfile=imap://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > And if you're paranoid (like me) and your server supports simap, you can have an encrypted connection: > > set spoolfile=imaps://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX Really? That format does not work for me for some reason. I always have to use the curly braces around the mailhost. Perhaps it's dependent on the version of mutt or the particular imap server? When I try the format you listed above, I get Error: no such directory -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 11 15:05:13 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011211114330.F13841@fandre.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011211091722.Z18760@real-time.com> <20011211114330.F13841@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1008099588.3763.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 11:43, Clay Fandre wrote: > You can also access it like this: > set spoolfile=imap://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > And if you're paranoid (like me) and your server supports simap, you can have an encrypted connection: > > set spoolfile=imaps://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > Of course you need to have a version of mutt compiled with SSL support. (mutt -v) That doesn't work for me, which version of mutt are you using? imaps://blutgens@mail.sistina.com/INBOX: No such file or directory (errno = 2) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream From amy at real-time.com Tue Dec 11 16:12:03 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011211133144.A21480@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:31:45PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <200112111029.fBBATa414793@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011211091722.Z18760@real-time.com> <20011211114330.F13841@fandre.com> <20011211133144.A21480@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011211151318.G21603@real-time.com> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:31:45PM -0600, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:43:30AM -0600, Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com) wrote: > > > > You can also access it like this: > > set spoolfile=imap://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > > > And if you're paranoid (like me) and your server supports simap, you can have an encrypted connection: > > > > set spoolfile=imaps://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > Really? That format does not work for me for some reason. I always > have to use the curly braces around the mailhost. Perhaps it's dependent > on the version of mutt or the particular imap server? When I try the format > you listed above, I get Error: no such directory Nevermind - I figured it out. I'm running 1.2.5 which must not support that format like the 1.3.x versions do. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Dec 11 16:20:33 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Server Shutdown Message-ID: Brandon, This reads a bit mysterious, but I think we should probably have a look at the relevant log file bits and maybe some of the configuration files too (edit out sensitive data - probably isn't too much of that though). I think most Mandrake users on the list are using it as desktops (with a few exceptions) so the answer/fix might not pop immediately into anyone's head. Other information it would be good to know is the version of Apache you are using (1.3.22 is the most recent 1.3.x version) and how you installed it (rpm, source, cvs,...), along with anything special (like mod_perl, PHP, *ASP,...). Snippets from the messages log file, as well as the httpd log file, might be useful from around httpd's 'time of death'. If this is the Apache that came with Mandrake, is there any information on the Mandrake web site about this problem? It is important to provide as much information up front as possible because it demonstrates that you've invested a significant amount of time tracking the problem. It makes some kind hearted admin think they're helping a frustrated worker bee, and not just doing some non- RTFM-ing lazy person's footwork. Now, if you don't know exactly what information you should be providing to solve this problem, that is a excellent question to ask. I say this because people don't mind clicking over a few K of text about a problem, but list users might get angry if they have to download a multi- megabyte log file. For kicks you might put a cron job in that retrieves a page every day using 'lynx' (man lynx) to see if that matters. Good luck, Troy >>> bhenak@att.net 12/11/01 12:44PM >>> Hello- I am a senior student at the Academy of Holy Angels in Richfield we I am currently setting up a Linux web/FTP sever and hope to configure it to interact with school databases through ASP (Possibly with Chilisoft) I have been designing web pages for 6 years and along the way was the webmaster for macobsession.com and MacFare a weekly Apple related webcast. I gained the little experience I have in ASP and corporate networks through a full time I.T. internship at TCF Leasing Headquaters I.T. department over the summer. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. My current trouble involves my server automatically shutting down the apache server. It may be directly involved with the fact that it is currently still in the test phase and get very little traffic. Linux does not actually shut down or freeze up just the server. Either by coincedence or cause the shutdown happens after 1-2 days of inactivity. I check the logs and after 1-2 days of no traffic a line saying that SIGTERM or something to that effect is displayed and there are no more entries. Any ideas? AMD 450 190 Mb Ram 2Gb Hard Drive Mandrake-Linux 7.2 Thank you for your time, Brandon Henak _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Tue Dec 11 16:45:57 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: <20011211170152.GB15386@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:01:52AM -0600 References: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011211170152.GB15386@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011211155847.A20112@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:01:52AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > not have an uplink port on either, obtain an RJ45 crossover cable. > > Table: Crossover Cable > PINs > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br > 2 w/br br w/bl g w/gr bl w/o or > I beleave the correct pin out for the crossover cable is Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br 2 w/g g w/o w/bl bl o br w/br From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Tue Dec 11 18:22:10 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Key > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:59 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Home networking question > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:01:52AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > not have an uplink port on either, obtain an RJ45 crossover cable. > > > > Table: Crossover Cable > > PINs > > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br > > 2 w/br br w/bl g w/gr bl w/o or > > > I beleave the correct pin out for the crossover cable is > > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br > 2 w/g g w/o w/bl bl o br w/br Actually, I don't think that's quite right either. Someone feel free to go for or against me on this, but this is how I've always wired my crossover cables (and I've made and used quite few): Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br 2 w/g g w/o bl w/bl o w/br br Essentially, you are just switching the green pair with the orange pair on one end of the cable. Everything else stays the same. Dan Churchill ---- The views expressed in this message are those of the sender, and do not represent in any way the views or positions of Honeywell or its affiliates. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 11 18:25:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache Server Shutdown Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1F6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does it die around the same time of day everytime? I wonder if maybe the logrotate stuff is trying to restart it unsuccessfully. You really need to post information from /var/log/httpd/error.log so we can see what's going on. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache Server Shutdown > > > Brandon, > > This reads a bit mysterious, but I think we > should probably have a look at the relevant > log file bits and maybe some of the configuration > files too (edit out sensitive data - probably isn't > too much of that though). I think most > Mandrake users on the list are using it as > desktops (with a few exceptions) so the > answer/fix might not pop immediately into > anyone's head. > > Other information it would be good to know > is the version of Apache you are using > (1.3.22 is the most recent 1.3.x version) and > how you installed it (rpm, source, cvs,...), > along with anything special (like mod_perl, > PHP, *ASP,...). Snippets from the messages > log file, as well as the httpd log file, might be > useful from around httpd's 'time of death'. > > If this is the Apache that came with Mandrake, > is there any information on the Mandrake web > site about this problem? > > It is important to provide as much information > up front as possible because it demonstrates > that you've invested a significant amount of > time tracking the problem. It makes some kind > hearted admin think they're helping a frustrated > worker bee, and not just doing some non- > RTFM-ing lazy person's footwork. > > Now, if you don't know exactly what information > you should be providing to solve this problem, > that is a excellent question to ask. I say this > because people don't mind clicking over a few > K of text about a problem, but list users might > get angry if they have to download a multi- > megabyte log file. > > For kicks you might put a cron job in > that retrieves a page every day using > 'lynx' (man lynx) to see if that matters. > > Good luck, > > Troy > > >>> bhenak@att.net 12/11/01 12:44PM >>> > Hello- > I am a senior student at the Academy of Holy Angels > in Richfield we I am currently setting up a Linux > web/FTP sever and hope to configure it to interact > with school databases through ASP (Possibly with > Chilisoft) I have been designing web pages for 6 > years and along the way was the webmaster for > macobsession.com and MacFare a weekly Apple > related webcast. I gained the little experience I have > in ASP and corporate networks through a full time I.T. > internship at TCF Leasing Headquaters I.T. > department over the summer. Thanks in advance for > any help you can provide. My current trouble involves > my server automatically shutting down the apache > server. It may be directly involved with the fact that it > is currently still in the test phase and get very little > traffic. Linux does not actually shut down or freeze > up just the server. Either by coincedence or cause > the shutdown happens after 1-2 days of inactivity. I > check the logs and after 1-2 days of no traffic a line > saying that SIGTERM or something to that effect is > displayed and there are no more entries. Any ideas? > > AMD 450 > 190 Mb Ram > 2Gb Hard Drive > Mandrake-Linux 7.2 > > Thank you for your time, > Brandon Henak > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 11 18:34:57 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: <20011211155847.A20112@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> References: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011211170152.GB15386@wookimus.net> <20011211155847.A20112@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011211233055.GF15386@wookimus.net> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:58:47PM -0600, Joseph Key wrote: > I beleave the correct pin out for the crossover cable is ...[snip]... ROFL! See! I knew I'd feel like an arse. Joseph's absolutely right, and I should really remember to do some confirmation work before sending out advise. P.S. Thanks, Joseph, for cutting the quoted text you used down to that which was necessary for reference purposes. It's nice to see people follow that small but well appreciated piece of netiquette. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mnogo is better IMHO, htdig is easier to setup. > From what i read, i should be able to config one of them to search for > certain file types... > > I want to spider a list of sites and grab URL's to .iso files and then > crunch them and make a resource like linuxiso.org Mnogo would be better at this and not a problems. Server http://www.mycompany.com/foo/bar Allow Case *.iso -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From churchid at visi.com Tue Dec 11 21:12:26 2001 From: churchid at visi.com (Dan Churchill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed Message-ID: I remember a thread a while back that was discussing how difficult it was to find notebook computers for sale w/o a Windows OS pre-installed, and I just ran across this one today: http://www.aberdeeninc.com/abcatg/nb.htm It's an ASUS L8400 PIII 1.0 GHz, 384 MB RAM, 30gig HD, etc. Don't know how Linux-friendly it is, but the advertised prices are 1999.99 with WinME, and 1899.99 with no OS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dan Churchill / 1665 Marion St #306 / Saint Paul, MN 55117 Home: 651-488-4817 / Cell: 651-270-2587 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From thomas at stderr.net Tue Dec 11 22:19:32 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graph of linux-kernel injection In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:51:41PM -0600 References: <20011128175103.I5414@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011212041552.B22556@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:51:41PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Thanks to Rias for his niffty perl script! > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/tclug-list/ > > Can we see the script? Did you get it yet or do people want me to post it here? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Dec 11 22:31:11 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Dan Churchill" wrote: > > It's an ASUS L8400 PIII 1.0 GHz, 384 MB RAM, 30gig HD, etc. Don't know how > Linux-friendly it is, but the advertised prices are 1999.99 with WinME, and > 1899.99 with no OS. I've done a bit of searching for good laptops.. As much as I want to get Linux pre-installed, or no OS on it, I think I'll have to give and get Windows -- otherwise my pocketbook will never forgive me. And, well, I also have to get Microsoft Works or MS Office, plus an Internet service plan, which I don't understand. I really want a big display, so I've been taking a look at Dell's Inspiron 4100 with Ultra XGA (1600x1200). Except for the display, you can get a very similar system to the above for the same or less money (okay, I'm probably going to buy the box with 128MB of RAM, then buy 512MB from somewhere else -- one thing that Dell heavily overcharges on..) A configuration I figured was decent turned out to be about $1700. I guess I'm being cheap on the warranty though (1 year instead of 3), and might change that.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: Just do it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Still a bit of lag on the sounds; > but I'm using regular Wine instead of WineX, and I hear WineX does sound a > bit better. for starcraft you may want to play using the unmanaged window, i play it with no slowdown at all, in fact it plays better than when i had windows 98 on this machine one point of concern using the unmanaged windows is that you do not want to use a window manager where focus follows the mouse curser, otherwise StarCraft locks up when it switches windows. -munir > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Dec 11 22:34:24 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2001, ScanMan wrote: > Do your hubs have uplink ports? If so, use them. If not, buy new hubs. > Actually all you have to do is use a cross-over cable. all that the uplink port does is that it is an internal crossover. -munir From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Dec 11 23:22:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011211224448.140cca96.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Mike Hicks wrote: > > I've done a bit of searching for good laptops.. As much as I want to get > Linux pre-installed, or no OS on it, I think I'll have to give and get > Windows -- otherwise my pocketbook will never forgive me. And, well, I > also have to get Microsoft Works or MS Office, plus an Internet service > plan, which I don't understand. Whoops.. okay, that last sentence was put in the wrong paragraph.. Shove it below and it should make more sense.. > I really want a big display, so I've been taking a look at Dell's Inspiron > 4100 with Ultra XGA (1600x1200). Except for the display, you can get a > very similar system to the above for the same or less money (okay, I'm > probably going to buy the box with 128MB of RAM, then buy 512MB from > somewhere else -- one thing that Dell heavily overcharges on..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why doesn't Tarzan have a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ beard? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I snapped some screens here. > > > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > > very cool. how badly does it crush the box? > I tried running Starcraft in a Wine 'desktop' (because otherwise it's an > unmanaged window); and it was too slow, even on my 1.1GHz machine. > so when I play Starcraft, I just log in as a different user; and run a > 640x480 desktop with no window manager. Still a bit of lag on the sounds; > but I'm using regular Wine instead of WineX, and I hear WineX does sound a > bit better. > > Carl Soderstrom. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 11 23:28:09 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with "ifup" In-Reply-To: <20011211092911.B15696@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <1008056527.3428.9.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011211092911.B15696@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <1008133649.1759.18.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Thanks a lot! I'll recompile and let you know if it works. On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 09:29, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:42:07AM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > > I just upgraded from Mandrake 8.0 to 8.1, and now when I type "ifup > > eth0", it says, "Cannot open netlink socket: Address family not > > supported by protocol". This is a nonsense statement as far as I can > > tell. Does anyone know what this means? > > It means you left a few things out of your kernel that Mandrake's ifup > now depends on. You want to enable CONFIG_*NETLINK*. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 11 23:29:40 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008133959.1759.20.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> So, we now have *three* conflicting opinions on how to splice these wires, and you say it's *bad* advice to simply buy a new hub? On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 16:57, Churchill, Dan (MN65) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Key > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:59 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Home networking question > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:01:52AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > not have an uplink port on either, obtain an RJ45 crossover cable. > > > > > > Table: Crossover Cable > > > PINs > > > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > > > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br > > > 2 w/br br w/bl g w/gr bl w/o or > > > > > I beleave the correct pin out for the crossover cable is > > > > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br > > 2 w/g g w/o w/bl bl o br w/br > > Actually, I don't think that's quite right either. Someone feel free to go > for or against me on this, but this is how I've always wired my crossover > cables (and I've made and used quite few): > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br > 2 w/g g w/o bl w/bl o w/br br > > Essentially, you are just switching the green pair with the orange pair on > one end of the cable. Everything else stays the same. > > Dan Churchill > ---- > The views expressed in this message are those of the sender, and do not > represent in any way the views or positions of Honeywell or its affiliates. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 11 23:33:37 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Home networking question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008134074.1758.23.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> I have a 5-port that I got for $20. Never have any problems, it's been running 24/7 for 2 years. They are still available for the same price at www.computergate.com, IIRC. On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 08:34, David Blevins wrote: > Really, a 5 port switch for only 35 bucks, wow. Have you ever had any > problems with it? From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Dec 11 23:39:11 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: <20011211233055.GF15386@wookimus.net> References: <1008056671.3427.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011211170152.GB15386@wookimus.net> <20011211155847.A20112@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> <20011211233055.GF15386@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011212015004.GA22962@wookimus.net> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:30:55PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:58:47PM -0600, Joseph Key wrote: > > I beleave the correct pin out for the crossover cable is > > ...[snip]... > > ROFL! See! I knew I'd feel like an arse. Joseph's absolutely right, I'll shut up now. Dan was right. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011211/8454b55b/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 11 23:57:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Site Search Engines (htdig, mnogo) [not how does goog le's cache work] Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1F7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Awww yeah. I'm going to do the same thing, but with .jpg's. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Site Search Engines (htdig, mnogo) [not how does > google's cache work] > > > Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com): > > hello- > > > > Does anyone have any experince with the htdig, mnogo or > other search > > engine software? > > Both. Mnogo is better IMHO, htdig is easier to setup. > > > From what i read, i should be able to config one of them > to search for > > certain file types... > > > > I want to spider a list of sites and grab URL's to .iso > files and then > > crunch them and make a resource like linuxiso.org > > Mnogo would be better at this and not a problems. > > Server http://www.mycompany.com/foo/bar > > Allow Case *.iso > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Dec 12 00:42:32 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graph of linux-kernel injection In-Reply-To: <20011212041552.B22556@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Did you get it yet or do people want me to post it here? I think people want it posted (I do at least). That script kicks serious ass. -Brian From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 12 00:46:28 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1008134952.1758.39.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Thinkgeek.com has a *schweet* system on sale for $1000. It's got to be the smallest computer I've ever seen. No monitor or keyboard, but you could probably rig up something very nice, like a Head Mounted Display with a wrist keyboard. On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 21:46, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Dan Churchill" wrote: > > > > It's an ASUS L8400 PIII 1.0 GHz, 384 MB RAM, 30gig HD, etc. Don't know how > > Linux-friendly it is, but the advertised prices are 1999.99 with WinME, and > > 1899.99 with no OS. > > I've done a bit of searching for good laptops.. As much as I want to get > Linux pre-installed, or no OS on it, I think I'll have to give and get > Windows -- otherwise my pocketbook will never forgive me. And, well, I > also have to get Microsoft Works or MS Office, plus an Internet service > plan, which I don't understand. > > I really want a big display, so I've been taking a look at Dell's Inspiron > 4100 with Ultra XGA (1600x1200). Except for the display, you can get a > very similar system to the above for the same or less money (okay, I'm > probably going to buy the box with 128MB of RAM, then buy 512MB from > somewhere else -- one thing that Dell heavily overcharges on..) > > A configuration I figured was decent turned out to be about $1700. I > guess I'm being cheap on the warranty though (1 year instead of 3), and > might change that.. > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 12 00:48:54 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1008135001.1759.41.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Forgot to mention, it comes with a blank hard disk :) On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 21:46, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Dan Churchill" wrote: > > > > It's an ASUS L8400 PIII 1.0 GHz, 384 MB RAM, 30gig HD, etc. Don't know how > > Linux-friendly it is, but the advertised prices are 1999.99 with WinME, and > > 1899.99 with no OS. > > I've done a bit of searching for good laptops.. As much as I want to get > Linux pre-installed, or no OS on it, I think I'll have to give and get > Windows -- otherwise my pocketbook will never forgive me. And, well, I > also have to get Microsoft Works or MS Office, plus an Internet service > plan, which I don't understand. > > I really want a big display, so I've been taking a look at Dell's Inspiron > 4100 with Ultra XGA (1600x1200). Except for the display, you can get a > very similar system to the above for the same or less money (okay, I'm > probably going to buy the box with 128MB of RAM, then buy 512MB from > somewhere else -- one thing that Dell heavily overcharges on..) > > A configuration I figured was decent turned out to be about $1700. I > guess I'm being cheap on the warranty though (1 year instead of 3), and > might change that.. > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 12 00:56:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1F9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't know about Dell laptops... We buy them for our people who need them, and we've had quite a bit of problems with them. Keys going bad, bad cdrom, battery failing after only a couple of months, sketchy problems that just require a whole replacement from Dell. If you get one, make sure you get the 3 year warranty, you'll probably need it. We have a big stack of dell notebooks that need some lovin' from the service guy, just haven't gotten around to calling them on it. Haven't had any problems with the sony laptops... unless you drop it once. Even falling 2 feet is enough to hose a sony laptop. Probably have 3 or 4 that have been dropped and don't work because of it. I'd check out epinions.com and see what people say about whatever one you are thinking of buying. Unfortunately, their site doesn't work with konqueror. It denies you, and if you change your user agent to lie, it doesn't display the whole page. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed > > > "Dan Churchill" wrote: > > > > It's an ASUS L8400 PIII 1.0 GHz, 384 MB RAM, 30gig HD, etc. > Don't know how > > Linux-friendly it is, but the advertised prices are 1999.99 > with WinME, and > > 1899.99 with no OS. > > I've done a bit of searching for good laptops.. As much as I > want to get > Linux pre-installed, or no OS on it, I think I'll have to give and get > Windows -- otherwise my pocketbook will never forgive me. > And, well, I > also have to get Microsoft Works or MS Office, plus an > Internet service > plan, which I don't understand. > > I really want a big display, so I've been taking a look at > Dell's Inspiron > 4100 with Ultra XGA (1600x1200). Except for the display, you > can get a > very similar system to the above for the same or less money (okay, I'm > probably going to buy the box with 128MB of RAM, then buy 512MB from > somewhere else -- one thing that Dell heavily overcharges on..) > > A configuration I figured was decent turned out to be about $1700. I > guess I'm being cheap on the warranty though (1 year instead > of 3), and > might change that.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: Just do it. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 12 00:59:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1FA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> BTW, the new beta of Kmail is supposed to be out this week, and is supposed to have huge speed performance increase for IMAP. Kmail found all of my folders, but it took the thing like 20 minutes to check for new mail before because it grabbed every header, including the ones it already had. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:13 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:31:45PM -0600, Amy Tanner > (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:43:30AM -0600, Clay Fandre > (clay@fandre.com) wrote: > > > > > > You can also access it like this: > > > set spoolfile=imap://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > > > > > And if you're paranoid (like me) and your server supports > simap, you can have an encrypted connection: > > > > > > set spoolfile=imaps://username@mailserver.domain.com/INBOX > > > > Really? That format does not work for me for some reason. I always > > have to use the curly braces around the mailhost. Perhaps > it's dependent > > on the version of mutt or the particular imap server? When > I try the format > > you listed above, I get Error: no such directory > > Nevermind - I figured it out. I'm running 1.2.5 which must > not support > that format like the 1.3.x versions do. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Dec 12 01:17:53 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question In-Reply-To: <1008133959.1759.20.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Relax, everyone. I have both a uplink switch on my hub _and_ a pre-made crossover cable that came with my DSL modem. :) Mike From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 12 01:20:08 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with "ifup" In-Reply-To: <20011211092911.B15696@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <1008056527.3428.9.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011211092911.B15696@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <1008139071.1748.0.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> It works now. Thanks. On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 09:29, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:42:07AM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > > I just upgraded from Mandrake 8.0 to 8.1, and now when I type "ifup > > eth0", it says, "Cannot open netlink socket: Address family not > > supported by protocol". This is a nonsense statement as far as I can > > tell. Does anyone know what this means? > > It means you left a few things out of your kernel that Mandrake's ifup > now depends on. You want to enable CONFIG_*NETLINK*. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 12 01:21:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129125108.C9880@wookimus.net> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129125108.C9880@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1007069090.3292.6.camel@titanium> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:51, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > (^chewie grumbles something inappropriate for repeat about Reply-to: > munging...) > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:15:29PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I > > decided to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens > > here. > > "DXGrab" = "Y" in your .wine/config or .transgaming/config > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > > I got to the site, finally, and checked it out. Looks good. ;-) I only > have one problem with Wine and WineX. I can't figure out how to > automatically get them to do the mousegrab and resize-center of X. > Quake3 does it by default, as does Unreal Tournament. > > I just hate playing a game where my mouse "leaves" the active window. > That should never happen, no matter how far my mouse "leaves" the window > boundary. Game navigation should never be associated to window manager > navigation. > > When I figure out how to do that, I'll be a happy camper. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011212/921c83e8/attachment.pgp From poverby at megsinet.net Wed Dec 12 01:31:17 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Support Message-ID: <3C06B07B.90344C68@megsinet.net> Anyone on this list ever used http://free.linux-support.net/ for Linux support From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Dec 12 01:59:14 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start Message-ID: <114901c179a9$a94463f0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I am trying to get mrtg and apache to start automatically. I have been through the docs, and feel I have done things right, but obviously something is wrong. mrtg: I created a script called mrtg that launches 17 different configs. It is located in /ect/rc.d/init.d . I also created a symbolic link to the mrtg script in /etc/rc3.d named S65mrtg. It is my understanding this should launch mrtg at boot, but it doesn't. If I do a "perl S65mrtg" it fires of. I also have about the same problem with apache. Any advice would be appreciated. This is running on RedHat 7.1 in case that matters. Raymond From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Dec 12 02:20:33 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> Message-ID: <3C07966D.5030604@gvtel.com> Kelly Black wrote: > Just chunked down $21.25 for it also (even though I probably will not > continue to have a net-connection that I can use it with :-( once AT&T > cable goes dark... > > 73's > DE KB0GBJ > Kelly Black Ahh a HAM lurking in a LUG :) Debating subscribing to WineX myself... What crossover plugin are you two talking about? RS KC0LKO > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 15:53, you wrote: > >>* Ben Lutgens [011129 15:01]: >> >>>>Be good, and engage in something 'like' the street performer protocol >>>>and give money to transgaming to continue working on winex. :) >>>> >>>I already did. I've also paid codeweavers for the crossover plugin, and >>>will probably buy a copy of ximian as well. >>> >>Cool. I also paid for crossover and transgaming. >> > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Dec 12 03:35:00 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011129114551.F4560@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:45:51AM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011129114551.F4560@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011130090033.A20166@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> > this is one of the coolest things I've seen... it's a very modular > architecture; so you just build exactly the computer you need, and when you > want to expand it, you just add more pieces to it. instead of a fixed, rigid > backplane, they use NUMAlink (formerly called CrayLink) cables to go from > brick to brick. makes installation very flexible. Yup. It's really slick. If SGI every discontinued their Origin series, I'd cry. They're really enjoyable machines to admin. > as I understand it; the C-brick has a NUMALink connector, and a XTown > ('crosstown') connector on it. the NUMALink goes to the router brick; and > the XTown goes to the I/O brick. If you add a graphics brick; I understand > that it connects to the I-brick, and from there to the C-brick. > but how do you get decent bandwidth from the CPUs to the graphics unit, > using such a long chain (with possibly 6 feet of cable between each brick)? > Obviously the graphics unit has some pretty impressive onboard GPUs, and a > sizeable cache of its own; but it seems strange to go through an > intermediate unit on the way to main memory. > > or maybe I'm just misreading the product literature. Nope, you've read it correctly. The only to connect the G-brick is via the I-brick. The G-brick needs to be hooked to the I-brick because the I-brick controls the systems console, and once the G-brick is attached, it becomes the console. The G-brick's only connection to the system is via that link. Yeah, it's a bit of a kludge, but it seems to me that it was a sort of 'after the fact' setup. I personally don't think it works all that well. I'd rather have a desk-side Onyx3000 than an Origin with a G-brick (Note: The G-brick is just an Onyx3000 without any 'cpu modules'). Of course, if you need more than 8-16 cpus, then an Origin is the only option, but it's still a PITA to manage, in my experience. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 12 04:18:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gabber server? Message-ID: <20011212031651.T30002@real-time.com> I think I remember someone saying they run a gabber server. Is it available to the public to use? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rechpj at bitstream.net Wed Dec 12 07:15:56 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1F9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:36:57PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1F9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011212064621.A984@bitstream.net> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I don't know about Dell laptops... We buy them for our people who need > them, and we've had quite a bit of problems with them. Keys going bad, bad > cdrom, battery failing after only a couple of months, sketchy problems that > just require a whole replacement from Dell. If you get one, make sure you > get the 3 year warranty, you'll probably need it. I'll second that motion. I've got the Inspiron 7500 and I've needed the 3 year warranty many times. To their credit, they came to the house next day service, no questions asked. Even with the excellent service I received from Dell, I'm switching to IBM laptops. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Dec 12 07:17:31 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start Message-ID: <20011212124913.KBPM7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Umm, I thought the init scripts were fired with sh/bash rather than perl. sh a script starting with #!/usr/bin/perl will just give an error anyway. I think you're gonna have to change your script to bash. -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > I am trying to get mrtg and apache to start automatically. I have been > through the docs, and feel I have done things right, but obviously something > is wrong. > > mrtg: > > I created a script called mrtg that launches 17 different configs. It is > located in /ect/rc.d/init.d . I also created a symbolic link to the mrtg > script in /etc/rc3.d named S65mrtg. > > It is my understanding this should launch mrtg at boot, but it doesn't. If I > do a "perl S65mrtg" it fires of. > > I also have about the same problem with apache. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > This is running on RedHat 7.1 in case that matters. > > > Raymond > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Dec 12 08:07:54 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378197@DDMAIL> We buy exclusively Dell, and our sales force all have Dell laptops. The ones with the most problems are the 7500 (DVD not working correctly) and the 3500's. Other then that we haven't had too many problems. But we do buy the 3 and now the 4 year extended care warranty - just in case. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Rech [mailto:rechpj@bitstream.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:46 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I don't know about Dell laptops... We buy them for our people who need > them, and we've had quite a bit of problems with them. Keys going bad, bad > cdrom, battery failing after only a couple of months, sketchy problems that > just require a whole replacement from Dell. If you get one, make sure you > get the 3 year warranty, you'll probably need it. I'll second that motion. I've got the Inspiron 7500 and I've needed the 3 year warranty many times. To their credit, they came to the house next day service, no questions asked. Even with the excellent service I received from Dell, I'm switching to IBM laptops. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Wed Dec 12 08:18:28 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graph of linux-kernel injection In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:21:07PM -0600 References: <20011212041552.B22556@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011212143049.G22556@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:21:07PM -0600, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > Did you get it yet or do people want me to post it here? > > I think people want it posted (I do at least). That script kicks serious > ass. #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use GD::Graph::lines; use POSIX qw(strftime); my $data_file = 'plot-data'; my $output_file = '/tmp/hest.png'; # end of configurable part my %messages = (); open(FH, "$data_file") or die $!; while () { chomp; my ($time, $count) = split /:\s+/; $messages{$time} = $count; } close(FH); my @keys = sort keys %messages; my @values = (); foreach my $key (@keys) { push @values, $messages{$key}; } @keys = map { strftime("%d %b", localtime($_)) } @keys; my $graph = new GD::Graph::lines(400,300); $graph->set( x_label => 'Time', y_label => 'Count', title => "Number of lkl-messages that need to be injected. Generated: " . scalar localtime(), box_axis => 0, line_width => 2, x_label_position => 1, y_label_position => 1, x_label_skip => 24, transparent => 0 ); $graph->set_legend("Messages waiting to be injected"); $graph->plot([\@keys, \@values]); save_chart($graph); sub save_chart { my $chart = shift or die "Need a chart!"; open(FH, ">$output_file") or die $!; binmode FH; print FH $chart->gd->png(); close(FH); # Uncomment this to make it into a CGI script: # # my $ext = $chart->export_format; # print qq{Content-Type: image/$ext\r\n\r\n}; # binmode STDOUT; # print STDOUT $chart->gd->$ext(); } __END__ Script just reads in the file Bob exports from mailman with timestamp: messages timestamp: messages -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From uak at nerp.net Wed Dec 12 09:52:18 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1F9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: > Haven't had any problems with the sony laptops... unless you drop it once. > Even falling 2 feet is enough to hose a sony laptop. Probably have 3 or 4 > that have been dropped and don't work because of it. I have heard that the Sony laptops have cheap weak cd rom drives. I have had my Toshiba for somethin' like 4 years and I have never had a problem with it (except Windblows and I already took care of that). Of course, I have never dropped my puter either. "Hello Murphy, how ya doin'?" uak From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 12 10:12:26 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start In-Reply-To: <20011212124913.KBPM7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net > References: <20011212124913.KBPM7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net > Message-ID: <1008168833.1747.2.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Init runs Perl scripts just fine, but you have to be sure to put #!/usr/bin/perl at the beginning and make it executable. On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 06:49, scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > Umm, I thought the init scripts were fired with sh/bash rather than perl. sh a script starting with #!/usr/bin/perl will just give an error anyway. I think you're gonna have to change your script to bash. > > -swf > > -- > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney > Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > > I am trying to get mrtg and apache to start automatically. I have been > > through the docs, and feel I have done things right, but obviously something > > is wrong. > > > > mrtg: > > > > I created a script called mrtg that launches 17 different configs. It is > > located in /ect/rc.d/init.d . I also created a symbolic link to the mrtg > > script in /etc/rc3.d named S65mrtg. > > > > It is my understanding this should launch mrtg at boot, but it doesn't. If I > > do a "perl S65mrtg" it fires of. > > > > I also have about the same problem with apache. > > > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > This is running on RedHat 7.1 in case that matters. > > > > > > Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Dec 12 10:21:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378197@DDMAIL> References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378197@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011212083308.F16271@ringworld.org> * Mary Ayala [011212 08:12]: > ones with the most problems are the 7500 (DVD not working correctly) and the IE: not in linux? or that it just died eventually? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 12 10:30:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1FF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, it's mostly the 3500's that we have problems with. Linux does tend to install and run nicely on Dell laptops though. If you have problems with it though, that sucks. Especially once your warranty runs out after 3 years. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Ayala [mailto:Mary@DesignerDoors.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:06 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed > > > We buy exclusively Dell, and our sales force all have Dell > laptops. The ones with the most problems are the 7500 (DVD > not working correctly) and the 3500's. Other then that we > haven't had too many problems. But we do buy the 3 and now > the 4 year extended care warranty - just in case. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Rech [mailto:rechpj@bitstream.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I don't know about Dell laptops... We buy them for our people who > > need them, and we've had quite a bit of problems with them. Keys > > going bad, > bad > > cdrom, battery failing after only a couple of months, > sketchy problems > that > > just require a whole replacement from Dell. If you get > one, make sure > > you get the 3 year warranty, you'll probably need it. > > I'll second that motion. > > I've got the Inspiron 7500 and I've needed the 3 year > warranty many times. To their credit, they came to the house > next day service, no questions asked. > > Even with the excellent service I received from Dell, I'm > switching to IBM laptops. > > -- > Paul Rech > pauljrech@acm.org > rechpj@bitstream.net > prsyscon@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 12 10:32:03 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <1008134952.1758.39.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain>; from scanman@scanman.mine.nu on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:29:12PM -0600 References: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <1008134952.1758.39.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011212091823.A23482@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:29:12PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > Thinkgeek.com has a *schweet* system on sale for $1000. It's got to be > the smallest computer I've ever seen. *sigh* The least you could do is include a name (if not an actual URL) so we don't have to hunt through the thinkgeek site for it... I'm guessing you're referring to the Cappuccino GX-1 Mini-PC, which is listed as $999.99 and is the size of a CDROM drive. If so, I wouldn't say that they have it on sale... Right at the bottom of the page, below the price, I see some red text which says, "This product is not available for purchase at this time". In case anyone else wants to drool over it, though: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/5868.shtml -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Wed Dec 12 10:33:49 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home networking question Message-ID: > Actually, I don't think that's quite right either. Someone feel free > to go > for or against me on this, but this is how I've always wired my > crossover > cables (and I've made and used quite few): > Cable 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- T-568B Standard > 1 w/o o w/g bl w/bl g w/br br T-568A Standard > 2 w/g g w/o bl w/bl o w/br br > I'm learnding... > Essentially, you are just switching the green pair with the orange > pair on > one end of the cable. Everything else stays the same. Yep. sim From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Dec 12 11:22:31 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537819D@DDMAIL> Actually they ran Windows 2000, and I think it ended up being the decoder that they chose to use. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:33 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed * Mary Ayala [011212 08:12]: > ones with the most problems are the 7500 (DVD not working correctly) and the IE: not in linux? or that it just died eventually? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 12 12:22:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D206@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Don't you also have to be sure that the script takes "start" as an argument? > -----Original Message----- > From: ScanMan [mailto:scanman@scanman.mine.nu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start > > > Init runs Perl scripts just fine, but you have to be sure to > put #!/usr/bin/perl at the beginning and make it executable. > > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 06:49, scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > Umm, I thought the init scripts were fired with sh/bash > rather than > > perl. sh a script starting with #!/usr/bin/perl will just give an > > error anyway. I think you're gonna have to change your script to > > bash. > > > > -swf > > > > -- > > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney > > Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > > > I am trying to get mrtg and apache to start automatically. I have > > > been through the docs, and feel I have done things right, but > > > obviously something is wrong. > > > > > > mrtg: > > > > > > I created a script called mrtg that launches 17 > different configs. > > > It is located in /ect/rc.d/init.d . I also created a > symbolic link > > > to the mrtg script in /etc/rc3.d named S65mrtg. > > > > > > It is my understanding this should launch mrtg at boot, but it > > > doesn't. If I do a "perl S65mrtg" it fires of. > > > > > > I also have about the same problem with apache. > > > > > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > > > This is running on RedHat 7.1 in case that matters. > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 12 12:54:02 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disappearing swap? Message-ID: <20011212115107.E23482@sherohman.org> Just had some problems with an SMP server which turned out to have been due to the swap partitions having (apparently) turned themselves off. I've gone through the logs, but didn't find anything recorded there up until the first error about being unable to load /lib/ld-linux.so.2. Kernel is 2.2.19 SMP. Anyone have any ideas why the swap might have been disabled? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Dec 12 13:15:10 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537819D@DDMAIL> References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537819D@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011212122108.G16271@ringworld.org> * Mary Ayala [011212 11:28]: > Actually they ran Windows 2000, and I think it ended up being the decoder > that they chose to use. Oh, 'k. I know DVD video works fine with xine/linux on them. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Wed Dec 12 13:16:33 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <3C07966D.5030604@gvtel.com> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <3C07966D.5030604@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <01121212132200.17113@edith> The crossover plugin here: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover/ Kelly Black KB0GBJ P.S. (73's to ya) On Friday 30 November 2001 08:23, you wrote: > Kelly Black wrote: > > Just chunked down $21.25 for it also (even though I probably will not > > continue to have a net-connection that I can use it with :-( once AT&T > > cable goes dark... > > > > 73's > > DE KB0GBJ > > Kelly Black > > Ahh a HAM lurking in a LUG :) > Debating subscribing to WineX myself... What crossover plugin are you > two talking about? > RS KC0LKO > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 12 13:27:47 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D206@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:39:56AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D206@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011212123252.F23482@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:39:56AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Don't you also have to be sure that the script takes "start" as an argument? It has to work when passed "start" as an argument, yes, but that doesn't mean that it can't completely ignore any args that it's given. For a real service (i.e., something that runs a daemon), it should reconize and respond appropriately to "start", "stop", and "restart", but other cases (such as the current discussion on the debian-user list about turning on numlock during the boot process) it may not hurt anything to always do the same thing regardless of what command gets passed on the command line. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From chrome at real-time.com Wed Dec 12 13:33:47 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011130090033.A20166@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:00:33AM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011129114551.F4560@real-time.com> <20011130090033.A20166@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011212124354.H20478@real-time.com> > Yeah, it's a bit of a kludge, but it seems to me that it was a sort of > 'after the fact' setup. I personally don't think it works all that well. > I'd rather have a desk-side Onyx3000 than an Origin with a G-brick (Note: > The G-brick is just an Onyx3000 without any 'cpu modules'). Of course, if > you need more than 8-16 cpus, then an Origin is the only option, but it's > still a PITA to manage, in my experience. oh... so that's why it's so huge, and still only supports 2 graphics pipes. the other slots are for CPU boards? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From insyte at emt-p.org Wed Dec 12 13:35:22 2001 From: insyte at emt-p.org (Ben Beuchler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems getting some services to start In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D206@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D206@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011212184821.GA5996@emt-p.org> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:39:56AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Don't you also have to be sure that the script takes "start" as an > argument? Only if you want it to also be able to stop the service. If you're not worried about shutting it down cleanly, it doesn't need to pay any attention to the command line arguments at all. It will be called with 'start' as an argument but it will be silently ignored. -Ben -- Ben Beuchler There is no spoon. insyte@emt-p.org -- The Matrix From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Dec 12 14:45:30 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home Message-ID: <15383.44447.109577.109375@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> A while ago I asked for help with setting up a smart host and envelope masquerading from home. I'd been having some problems. Thanks to Munir and Petre for advice. Turns out, though, it was a trivial problem. At least on Mandrake, you get a /etc/mail subtree with sendmail.cf and sendmail.mc. I edited those and did the whole m4 thing. But...d'oh, there's an /etc/sendmail.cf that masks /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. So.... when I finally figured that out, all was hunky dory. Maybe this will help someone else avoid my goof. Cheers, R From unknown at real-time.com Wed Dec 12 15:07:16 2001 From: unknown at real-time.com (=?BIG5?Q?=BF=CB=B7R=AA=BA=AAB=A4=CD?=) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?BIG5?Q?=B4=A3=A8=D1=A7A=BF=FD=BBs=A7A=A6=DB=A4v=AA=BA=B8t=BD=CF=B6P=A5d=B3=E1=A1I?= Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011212/768f9fd8/attachment.html From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Dec 12 15:11:39 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378197@DDMAIL> Message-ID: I'm looking to give our outside sales reps laptops (about 24). I have been avoiding Dell for the reasons cited. I am looking at ThinkPad's, but would like to know whether or not the modems work under Linux. The sales guy couldn't tell me. Anybody know which models work well? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mary Ayala |Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:06 AM |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed | | |We buy exclusively Dell, and our sales force all have Dell laptops. The |ones with the most problems are the 7500 (DVD not working |correctly) and the |3500's. Other then that we haven't had too many problems. But we do buy |the 3 and now the 4 year extended care warranty - just in case. | |-----Original Message----- |From: Paul Rech [mailto:rechpj@bitstream.net] |Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:46 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed | | |On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: |> I don't know about Dell laptops... We buy them for our people who need |> them, and we've had quite a bit of problems with them. Keys going bad, |bad |> cdrom, battery failing after only a couple of months, sketchy problems |that |> just require a whole replacement from Dell. If you get one, |make sure you |> get the 3 year warranty, you'll probably need it. | |I'll second that motion. | |I've got the Inspiron 7500 and I've needed the 3 year warranty many times. |To their credit, they came to the house next day service, no questions |asked. | |Even with the excellent service I received from Dell, I'm switching to IBM |laptops. | |-- |Paul Rech |pauljrech@acm.org |rechpj@bitstream.net |prsyscon@real-time.com |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Dec 12 15:37:50 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo Message-ID: According to the latest SPEC2000 benchmarks, the IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo is a screamer. It has a "POWER4" CPU in it. I've never heard of the machine or the CPU before. Has anyone else? Here are links to the SPECint200 and SPECfp2000 for the box: http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2001q4/cpu2000-20011105-01104.htm l http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2001q4/cpu2000-20011004-00972.htm l Other things to note are that AMD has overtaken Intel in the integer benchmark and would be the leader if it weren't for the IBM screamer, but Intel has made tons of ground on the Alpha in the floating point benchmark and left AMD far behind. Mike From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 12 15:39:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disappearing swap? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D20B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Maybe your have a "MANIAC" sys admin: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/know.your.sysadmin.html Just trying to prevent users from taking too much memory. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:51 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] Disappearing swap? > > > Just had some problems with an SMP server which turned out to > have been due to the swap partitions having (apparently) > turned themselves off. I've gone through the logs, but > didn't find anything recorded there up until the first error > about being unable to load /lib/ld-linux.so.2. Kernel is > 2.2.19 SMP. Anyone have any ideas why the swap might have > been disabled? > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the > terrorists have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom > Swiss _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 12 15:41:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disappearing swap? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D20B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Maybe your have a "MANIAC" sys admin: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/know.your.sysadmin.html Just trying to prevent users from taking too much memory. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:51 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] Disappearing swap? > > > Just had some problems with an SMP server which turned out to > have been due to the swap partitions having (apparently) > turned themselves off. I've gone through the logs, but > didn't find anything recorded there up until the first error > about being unable to load /lib/ld-linux.so.2. Kernel is > 2.2.19 SMP. Anyone have any ideas why the swap might have > been disabled? > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the > terrorists have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom > Swiss _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Wed Dec 12 15:53:14 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS and banner pages Message-ID: <20011212145854.A21603@real-time.com> Does anyone know how to set the default banner page for CUPS ? According to the docs, a client can specify it like: lpr -o job-sheets=standard filename where standard is the name of the banner file. But I'd like to set the default banner for all print queues on the server and then not allow the end-user to override. I do not see anything in the cupsd.conf about banners or job-sheets. I see job-sheets in printers.conf but that appears to be a generated file and my attempts to modify it do not seem to effect any change. I don't see anything the CUPS Software Administrators Manual about banners. And the FAQ simply says: The "job-sheets" option in CUPS 1.1 allows you to specify a banner page for printing. Look in the /usr/share/cups/banners directory for the available banner files. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Wed Dec 12 16:38:20 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS and banner pages In-Reply-To: <20011212145854.A21603@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:58:54PM -0600 References: <20011212145854.A21603@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011212160040.C21603@real-time.com> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:58:54PM -0600, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > Does anyone know how to set the default banner page for CUPS ? > > According to the docs, a client can specify it like: > > lpr -o job-sheets=standard filename > > where standard is the name of the banner file. > > But I'd like to set the default banner for all print queues on the server > and then not allow the end-user to override. I do not see anything in the > cupsd.conf about banners or job-sheets. I see job-sheets in printers.conf > but that appears to be a generated file and my attempts to modify it do > not seem to effect any change. I could not find any way to do it on the command line. I was able to do it with the built-in web interface CUPS provides though. Now, does anyone know of any good ways to create or modify postscript banner pages? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 12 16:40:00 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <20011212091823.A23482@sherohman.org> References: <20011211214619.194ee429.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <1008134952.1758.39.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011212091823.A23482@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <1008194640.1747.14.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> I'm sorry, it was just an offhand remark. If someone had expressed an interest I would have found it for them. On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 09:18, Dave Sherohman wrote: > *sigh* The least you could do is include a name (if not an actual > URL) so we don't have to hunt through the thinkgeek site for it... > > I'm guessing you're referring to the Cappuccino GX-1 Mini-PC, which > is listed as $999.99 and is the size of a CDROM drive. If so, I > wouldn't say that they have it on sale... Right at the bottom of the > page, below the price, I see some red text which says, "This product > is not available for purchase at this time". > > In case anyone else wants to drool over it, though: > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/5868.shtml > From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Dec 12 17:24:09 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011212124354.H20478@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:43:54PM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011129114551.F4560@real-time.com> <20011130090033.A20166@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20011212124354.H20478@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011212143025.U16048@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:43:54PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Yeah, it's a bit of a kludge, but it seems to me that it was a sort of > > 'after the fact' setup. I personally don't think it works all that well. > > I'd rather have a desk-side Onyx3000 than an Origin with a G-brick (Note: > > The G-brick is just an Onyx3000 without any 'cpu modules'). Of course, if > > you need more than 8-16 cpus, then an Origin is the only option, but it's > > still a PITA to manage, in my experience. > > oh... so that's why it's so huge, and still only supports 2 graphics pipes. > the other slots are for CPU boards? Right. The 'G-brick' is really just a deskside Onyx3000 that's been stripped of everything but it's L1 controller and graphics boards. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Wed Dec 12 17:35:51 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) Message-ID: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hi, I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, 810MB) that I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some lite word processing. At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd welcome opinions of what window manager, browser and editor to put on it. Yes I know X places a burden on its limited resources, but a) I want a fully graphical browser, b) I like WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I like GUIs. I use Debian and KDE (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but figure that KDE might be a bit heavy for this machine. The text editing doesn't need to be flash, but the more features the better. Oh, and any suggestions on partition sizes would be cool too (is that all?!) Cheers, Paul *WYSIOEABARAOWYAG = What You See Is Only Ever At Best A Rough Approximation Of What You Actually Get (read this in a mag 10 years ago and it stuck!) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Dec 12 18:18:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378197@DDMAIL> Message-ID: <20011212154920.I16271@ringworld.org> * James Spinti [011212 15:16]: > avoiding Dell for the reasons cited. I am looking at ThinkPad's, but would > like to know whether or not the modems work under Linux. The sales guy 99.95 of the internal laptop modems are usually winmodems. Find a laptop you like and a good pcmcia card with a RealModem(tm). -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Dec 12 18:21:57 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo[check your system time] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <372001B8-EF4A-11D5-A812-003065F935F8@autonomous.tv> On Wednesday, December 12, 2001, at 04:49 PM, Mike Bresnahan wrote: I think your clock may need adjusting :-) Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 04:49:04 PM US/Central Delivery-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:39:45 -0600 just thought I'd say something -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 11:39, Austad, Jay wrote: > Don't you also have to be sure that the script takes "start" as an argument? > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 12 18:27:16 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008194914.10934.20.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> I've heard that they do work. More info at http://www.linmodems.org/ On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 12:55, James Spinti wrote: > I'm looking to give our outside sales reps laptops (about 24). I have been > avoiding Dell for the reasons cited. I am looking at ThinkPad's, but would > like to know whether or not the modems work under Linux. The sales guy > couldn't tell me. Anybody know which models work well? > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mary Ayala > |Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:06 AM > |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed > | > | > |We buy exclusively Dell, and our sales force all have Dell laptops. The > |ones with the most problems are the 7500 (DVD not working > |correctly) and the > |3500's. Other then that we haven't had too many problems. But we do buy > |the 3 and now the 4 year extended care warranty - just in case. > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Paul Rech [mailto:rechpj@bitstream.net] > |Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:46 AM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed > | > | > |On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > |> I don't know about Dell laptops... We buy them for our people who need > |> them, and we've had quite a bit of problems with them. Keys going bad, > |bad > |> cdrom, battery failing after only a couple of months, sketchy problems > |that > |> just require a whole replacement from Dell. If you get one, > |make sure you > |> get the 3 year warranty, you'll probably need it. > | > |I'll second that motion. > | > |I've got the Inspiron 7500 and I've needed the 3 year warranty many times. > |To their credit, they came to the house next day service, no questions > |asked. > | > |Even with the excellent service I received from Dell, I'm switching to IBM > |laptops. > | > |-- > |Paul Rech > |pauljrech@acm.org > |rechpj@bitstream.net > |prsyscon@real-time.com > |_______________________________________________ > |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > |Minnesota > |http://www.mn-linux.org > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > |_______________________________________________ > |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > |Minnesota > |http://www.mn-linux.org > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 12 19:26:58 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) In-Reply-To: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, 810MB) > that I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some lite word > processing. At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd welcome opinions > of what window manager, browser and editor to put on it. Yes I know X > places a burden on its limited resources, but a) I want a fully > graphical browser, b) I like WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I > like GUIs. I use Debian and KDE (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but > figure that KDE might be a bit heavy for this machine. The text > editing doesn't need to be flash, but the more features the better. > Oh, and any suggestions on partition sizes would be cool too (is that > all?!) I personally would do Debian + WindowMaker on that box, and Mozilla or Konquerer for a web browser. On that small of a disk, I'd probably just go like 128mb swap and the rest as your root filesystem. No clue for your WYSblah editor. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Dec 12 20:19:18 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo[check your system time] In-Reply-To: <372001B8-EF4A-11D5-A812-003065F935F8@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: My clock is correct according to nist.time.gov. It must be sprite.real-time.com's clock? Note it's taking up to a week for some messages to make it through the list. Mike -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Spencer Butler Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo[check your system time] On Wednesday, December 12, 2001, at 04:49 PM, Mike Bresnahan wrote: I think your clock may need adjusting :-) Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 04:49:04 PM US/Central Delivery-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:39:45 -0600 just thought I'd say something -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've heard that Galeon works alright on slower systems (Mozilla's user interface code is the main part that's slow), but I've never tried it. Netscape is better than Mozilla, but still slow. It might be worth spending the $20 or whatever to get Opera. I second the recommendation on WindowMaker -- it should work pretty well for that environment. If that's too much, there's always some incantation of fvwm to try (the way to make it entirely obvious that you're running something Unix-like). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eagles may soar, but / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ weasels don't get sucked \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) into jet engines. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[root@walleye atanner]# ps -ef | grep rpm root 5863 5836 0 11:47 ? 00:00:00 rpm -e apmd autofs xisdnload isdroot 5971 5906 0 12:03 ttyp2 00:00:00 grep rpm [root@walleye atanner]# kill -9 5863 [root@walleye atanner]# ps -ef | grep rpm root 5863 5836 0 11:47 ? 00:00:00 rpm -e apmd autofs xisdnload isdroot 5974 5906 0 12:08 ttyp2 00:00:00 grep rpm [root@walleye atanner]# rpm -q apmd error: cannot get shared lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From wilson at visi.com Wed Dec 12 21:01:33 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X just died on my Debian unstable box Message-ID: Hi everyone, I did an 'apt-get upgrade' recently on my machine at home and found the next time it rebooted that I no longer have any display whatsoever with X. The machine boots, I select my kernel with LILO, all the checks happen (I use a frame buffer X setup so I get the little graphical Tux in the upper left cornder), partitions get mounted, etc. As soon as kdm starts, my monitor blanks and I see absolutely nothing. I think the whole machine might be freezing, although with no display I can only guess where I'm typing. I have to hit restart to reboot the machine. If I had a laptop home I'd ssh in to my workstation and see what was going on. Any ideas how I can start diagnosing this? Anyone know of any troubles with X in Debian unstable lately? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Dec 12 21:03:26 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) In-Reply-To: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: Here is my suggestion: Blackbox as a windowmanager, ViM as a text editor and Opera as a browser(with Qt statically linked, you will not need the KDEbase like Konq. or the GNOME base for Galeon, saving tons of space) Mozilla is out of the question for that little memory, so is NetScape. -munir On 12 Dec 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > Hi, > > I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, 810MB) that I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some lite word processing. At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd welcome opinions of what window manager, browser and editor to put on it. Yes I know X places a burden on its limited resources, but a) I want a fully graphical browser, b) I like WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I like GUIs. I use Debian and KDE (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but figure that KDE might be a bit heavy for this machine. The text editing doesn't need to be flash, but the more features the better. Oh, and any suggestions on partition sizes would be cool too (is that all?!) > > Cheers, Paul > > *WYSIOEABARAOWYAG = What You See Is Only Ever At Best A Rough Approximation Of What You Actually Get (read this in a mag 10 years ago and it stuck!) > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From wilson at visi.com Wed Dec 12 21:05:24 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms Message-ID: Hi everyone, Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 12 21:14:23 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing List (Was: IBM eServer pSeries ...) In-Reply-To: References: <372001B8-EF4A-11D5-A812-003065F935F8@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20011212203519.0dbdab58.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Mike Bresnahan" wrote: > > My clock is correct according to nist.time.gov. It must be > sprite.real-time.com's clock? Note it's taking up to a week for some > messages to make it through the list. Yes.. it's flukey behavior due to the continuing injection of messages from the linux-kernel mailing list archives that people sent in to Bob.. I have to ask the mailing list dictator a question, though -- the graph of the kernel-inject progress doesn't make much sense to me. Is that just the number of messages sitting in the queue? I think a lot of people want to know how far along the whole mess is (or have you actually been adding more messages frequently enough to account for all of the spikes on the graph?) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ :q! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Dec 12 21:30:50 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo[check your system time] In-Reply-To: References: <372001B8-EF4A-11D5-A812-003065F935F8@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20011212205507.K16271@ringworld.org> * Mike Bresnahan [011212 20:23]: > My clock is correct according to nist.time.gov. It must be sprite.real- > time.com's clock? Note it's taking up to a week for some messages to make it > through the list. > linux.org]OOnn BBeehhaallff OOffSpencer Butler > SSeenntt:: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:50 PM > TToo:: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > SSuubbjjeecctt:: Re: [TCLUG] IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo[check your system > time] Yeah, this is cause of the lkml inject. Yahoo groups isn't even this bad. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Dec 12 21:52:22 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Journaling Vs. Soft Updates Message-ID: Anyone heard of this? It seems an interesting read anyway... http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix2000/general/full_papers/seltzer/seltzer_html/index.html From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Wed Dec 12 22:27:43 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD ROM question Message-ID: <3C181A00.F5367BB2@charter.net> i'm hoping that will help me with some probs i'm having with my pc right now.... i'm running SuSE7.3 AMD 1.1Ghz 512MB ram Matrox Millenium g400 max video I also have a Hitachi DVD-ROM GD-2500 that is IDE ATAPI... and a Yamaha CD Burner I am having problems with not being able to play CD's ... music CD's and DVD's on my pc ... using the hitachi drive... the burner will do nothing but but cd's and .. that's it... i don't know how to set Linux up so that i can use the DVD rom to read cd's... whether data or audio... in konquoer.. and play music... as well as play DVD's... any help would be greatly appreciated... i've searched the site high and low... and don't know where else to go thankyou very very much Jeremy Wilson jeremy_wilson@charter.net From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Wed Dec 12 22:31:23 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?b?Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121221272400.00252@edith> Hmmmm... Superbonus, I could use one of those! Not that I don't get paid for what I do, but a Superbonus could come in handy!!! Just to add some Linux content... Did anybody figure out what codepage it takes to view that site? Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Wednesday 12 December 2001 13:31, you wrote: > > src="http://www.superbonus.com.tw/E_DM/Add1.jpg?Email=tclug-list@listserv.r >eal-time.com" width="0" height="0"> From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Wed Dec 12 22:34:57 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) In-Reply-To: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <01121221343101.00252@edith> Semi-lightweight office package: siag office. http://siag.nu/ Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Wednesday 12 December 2001 14:44, you wrote: > Hi, > > I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, 810MB) that > I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some lite word processing. > At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd welcome opinions of what window > manager, browser and editor to put on it. Yes I know X places a burden on > its limited resources, but a) I want a fully graphical browser, b) I like > WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I like GUIs. I use Debian and KDE > (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but figure that KDE might be a bit heavy for > this machine. The text editing doesn't need to be flash, but the more > features the better. Oh, and any suggestions on partition sizes would be > cool too (is that all?!) > > Cheers, Paul > > *WYSIOEABARAOWYAG = What You See Is Only Ever At Best A Rough Approximation > Of What You Actually Get (read this in a mag 10 years ago and it stuck!) > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Dec 12 22:36:41 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Notebook advertised w/o Windows pre-installed In-Reply-To: <1008194640.1747.14.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <20011212091823.A23482@sherohman.org> <1008194640.1747.14.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <01121221432501.00847@geezer> On Wednesday 12 December 2001 16:04, ScanMan wrote: > I'm sorry, it was just an offhand remark. If someone had expressed an > interest I would have found it for them. > > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 09:18, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > *sigh* The least you could do is include a name (if not an actual > > URL) so we don't have to hunt through the thinkgeek site for it... > > > > I'm guessing you're referring to the Cappuccino GX-1 Mini-PC, which > > is listed as $999.99 and is the size of a CDROM drive. If so, I > > wouldn't say that they have it on sale... Right at the bottom of the > > page, below the price, I see some red text which says, "This product > > is not available for purchase at this time". > > > > In case anyone else wants to drool over it, though: > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/5868.shtml For what it's worth the local company Accel Computers in New Hope, has these advertised in the new ComputerUser. See details at http://www.accelcomp.com Disclaimer: I have never dealt with Accel Computer so I don't know if they are a good place to purchase or not. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Wed Dec 12 22:38:30 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X just died on my Debian unstable box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121221401502.00252@edith> Just a couple of thoughts... What if you try to kill the X Server with a CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, or try to get to one of the full screen terminals on CTRL-ALT-F1? (or try all the function keys as I don't remember what Deb uses as a full screen terminal while in X). Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Wednesday 12 December 2001 20:13, you wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I did an 'apt-get upgrade' recently on my machine at home and found the > next time it rebooted that I no longer have any display whatsoever with X. > The machine boots, I select my kernel with LILO, all the checks happen (I > use a frame buffer X setup so I get the little graphical Tux in the upper > left cornder), partitions get mounted, etc. As soon as kdm starts, my > monitor blanks and I see absolutely nothing. I think the whole machine > might be freezing, although with no display I can only guess where I'm > typing. I have to hit restart to reboot the machine. > > If I had a laptop home I'd ssh in to my workstation and see what was going > on. Any ideas how I can start diagnosing this? Anyone know of any troubles > with X in Debian unstable lately? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Dec 12 22:42:31 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm wierdness In-Reply-To: <20011130120853.Z18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: This happened to me before, i do not remember what i did but it was mostly killing anything associated with the process, killing the login process should send a sighup that process. i think in the end i just had to wait for it to recover. bummer. Worst case senario you can take the machine down to single user mode, and kill the process then. on the same topic, i always thought that kill -9 would end a process imediately and uncleanly if needed, it there a command that will kill no mater what, as in a "stop this stupid process, take away all resources from it, forget it ever existed and if it gives you any shit ignore it" command -munir On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > I was removing some RPMs using rpm -e [package] and the process > appeared to hang. After many minutes of waiting, I attempted to kill it, > with no success. And I cannot do any other rpm commands until it's done/killed. > What can I do? > > [root@walleye atanner]# ps -ef | grep rpm > root 5863 5836 0 11:47 ? 00:00:00 rpm -e apmd autofs xisdnload isdroot 5971 5906 0 12:03 ttyp2 00:00:00 grep rpm > [root@walleye atanner]# kill -9 5863 > [root@walleye atanner]# ps -ef | grep rpm > root 5863 5836 0 11:47 ? 00:00:00 rpm -e apmd autofs xisdnload isdroot 5974 5906 0 12:08 ttyp2 00:00:00 grep rpm > [root@walleye atanner]# rpm -q apmd > error: cannot get shared lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages > error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) > > thanks. > > -- From jack at jacku.com Wed Dec 12 22:44:17 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) In-Reply-To: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <01121221594002.00847@geezer> On Wednesday 12 December 2001 14:44, Paul Harris wrote: > Hi, > > I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, 810MB) that > I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some lite word processing. > At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd welcome opinions of what window > manager, browser and editor to put on it. Yes I know X places a burden on > its limited resources, but a) I want a fully graphical browser, b) I like > WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I like GUIs. I use Debian and KDE > (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but figure that KDE might be a bit heavy for > this machine. The text editing doesn't need to be flash, but the more > features the better. Oh, and any suggestions on partition sizes would be > cool too (is that all?!) > > Cheers, Paul > > *WYSIOEABARAOWYAG = What You See Is Only Ever At Best A Rough Approximation > Of What You Actually Get (read this in a mag 10 years ago and it stuck!) Having run Linux on that exact configuration I'll make the following suggestions: 1. Distro - probably doesn't matter. When I had this system running until last year when the 32MB RAM chip blew, I ran a variety of things and the last one was SuSE 6.4. (At that point I had a 4GB HD so I had plenty of space.) If you want sound get something that has OSS. 2. Window manager: Ice WM. Not reasons, I just like it. ;-) 3. Browser: Opera. Either the free version with the banners or pay for the ad-less version. Netscape is okay once it gets started. Unfortunatly half the sites you want to visit will go out of existance waiting for that to happen! Check the Linux Laptops site (url escapes me at this time) because they have a good discussion of the machine and configuration. If you run into any issues contact me off-list and I'll be glad to offer words of encouragment if not advice. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Dec 12 23:06:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access In-Reply-To: References: <20011129165311.N18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011130123738.Y30126@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [011130 12:31]: > VoiceStream + a Nokia 8290 with Infrared works great for me.. 9600bps, VoiceStream's GPRS/iStream is also faster.. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From tl at assimilated.org Wed Dec 12 23:21:08 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) In-Reply-To: References: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011213042457.GC6072@assimilated.org> On Dec 12 at 08:18PM Munir Nassar wrote: > Here is my suggestion: > Blackbox as a windowmanager, ViM as a text editor and Opera as a > browser(with Qt statically linked, you will not need the KDEbase > like Konq. or the GNOME base for Galeon, saving tons of space) > Mozilla is out of the question for that little memory, so is > NetScape. great suggestions, however, netscape 4.7x is probably the *least* painful speedwise on that kind of system, with opera right near it. mozilla and all dervitives as well as konqueror are very painful on my 166. > On 12 Dec 2001, Paul Harris wrote: >> Hi, >> I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, >> 810MB) that I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some >> lite word processing. At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd >> welcome opinions of what window manager, browser and editor to >> put on it. Yes I know X places a burden on its limited >> resources, but a) I want a fully graphical browser, b) I like >> WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I like GUIs. I use Debian >> and KDE (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but figure that KDE might >> be a bit heavy for this machine. The text editing doesn't need >> to be flash, but the more features the better. Oh, and any >> suggestions on partition sizes would be cool too (is that all?!) >> Cheers, Paul -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011212/cd93e11b/attachment.pgp From rudie at sihope.com Thu Dec 13 01:14:01 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) Microsoft Anti-trust case: MN Atty's General In-Reply-To: <20011130115207.W30126@ringworld.org> References: <20011130115207.W30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011130124906.6dcddd3d.rudie@sihope.com> Go Minnesota! To clarify the MN Atty General's stance on M$ and the like, I sent Mike Hatch an email asking for further explanation, as well as my own concerns.. I was pleasantly surprised with his 4 page response. There is nothing new in this letter, so you have been warned. I have posted it here http://fastcomputers.tv/AGvsMS.txt -Kevin On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:52:07 -0600 Scott Dier wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from "Christopher R. Hertel" ----- > > From: "Christopher R. Hertel" > Subject: Microsoft Anti-trust case: MN Atty's General > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:19:38 -0600 > Sender: crh@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net > Organization: ubiqx development, uninq. > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21-idepci i586) > > I have it on good authority that Mike Jacobs, the lawyer from the MN > Attorney General's office who is handling the Microsoft Anti-Trust case (the > continuation, since the DoJ is trying to settle) will be speaking at the > next Unix Users of Minnesota meeting. The UUM web page does not have > up-to-date info, it seems. Keep checking... > > Despite the fact that Microsoft considers Linux and Open Source to be their > biggest threat, the DoJ settlement says nothing about Open Source, nor does > it make any provisions for Open Source competition. It talks about > Microsoft licensing documentation to ISVs, etc. The language basically > excludes Open Source Development. > > Minnesota has decided not to accept the DoJ settlement, and is pursuing > the case along with nine other states. If you have interest in this issue > (and you probably should), I recommend: > > 1) Go to Mike's talk. > 2) Read the DoJ proposed settlement (there is an updated version). > 3) Send polite, succinct, and clear comments to the DoJ regarding the > proposed settlement. > > The Settlement info can be found at: > _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._u_s_d_o_j_._g_o_v_:_8_0_/_a_t_r_/_c_a_s_e_s_/_m_s_-_s_e_t_t_l_e_._h_t_m > > Make sure your read this section: > _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._u_s_d_o_j_._g_o_v_:_8_0_/_a_t_r_/_c_a_s_e_s_/_m_s_-_s_e_t_t_l_e_._h_t_m_#_t_u_n_n_e_y > > I believe that this list would be a good forum for discussing arguments > against the settlement (arguments which people might include in their > messages to the DoJ). Please let me know if I'm wrong about that. > > Chris -)----- > > -- > Samba Team -- _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._s_a_m_b_a_._o_r_g_/ -)----- Christopher R. Hertel > jCIFS Team -- _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_j_c_i_f_s_._s_a_m_b_a_._o_r_g_/ -)----- ubiqx development, uninq. > ubiqx Team -- _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._u_b_i_q_x_._o_r_g_/ -)----- crh@ubiqx.mn.org > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: > Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! > Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! > -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Dec 13 01:48:16 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 Message-ID: Finally! I have a linux-related question. Allright. I have have a 3+ year old Dell Inspiron 3200 with the following config: Debian Potato Kernel 2.4.16 Crystal CS4237 chipset sound card I've read the following sources: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/jcb35/linux/i3200.html and http://members.tripod.com/jeffchiu/linux-i3200.html What I have done is set the following in my BIOS: Audio: [Enabled] SB I/O Address: [220h] WSS I/O Address: [530h] AdLib I/O Address: [388h] Interrupt: [IRQ5] and in my lilo.conf I've passed the following parameters: append="cs4232=0x530,5,1,0,0x330,5" And now my sound works, kinda. Its super staticy and it won't play mp3's at all. I remember sound being difficult to setup last time I had debian on this box (~2 years ago), but I KNOW it is possible to get (luscious)16bit sound and play mp3s. I don't remember what exactly I had to do last time to get sound working. I really want this to work, properly. :) According to dmesg: at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1,0 It appears that the parameters are being passed correctly. I also found this in the kernel docs, but I don't understand what it means: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/sound/CS4232.html As of right now sound is NOT configured as a module, it's right in the kernel because modprobe was not finding the modules. So any help you may have to get this running would be much appreciated! I don't want dorkstuff to become a win98 box, but if sound won't work I'll have to put it on there.:) Thanks, Jacque From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 13 01:49:41 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X just died on my Debian unstable box In-Reply-To: <20011213044218.GA18828@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:13PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Anyone know of any troubles with X in Debian unstable lately? > > Yeah. On my last apt-get upgrade, it replaced my own XF86Config-4 with > its own version of the file, which doesn't work for snot on my machine. > It did make a backup, though: look for a "...debconf-backup" or > something in /etc/X11. I put my own file back and it worked fine. That was a know whoops in the latest version of the packages. On irc: /server irc.openprojects.net /join #debian /msg apt news latest :) Hmmm...might be interesting to bang out a script to do that and mail interested parties...but I'm not gonna do it. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 13 02:01:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011130130038.Z30126@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011130 12:42]: > On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 23:03, Scott Dier wrote: > > > AT&T is buying the network so they have more network to exact control > > over. :) > If you think any of this would be possible without the "Big Guns" the > likes of say AT&T, U.S.West, and other so called "evil empires" *cough* > microsoft *cough* you're mistaken. And? You think that the statement above implies this? :) You are so mistaken. AT&T and such amuse me mostly because of how they run things. I dont see it as bad, I dont see it as good. Much of it is designed around operating efficency instead of max cash (they max it well, but not to 'perfect') and max customer happieness. Its a weird world. However, I dont agree with the microsoft remark. Anyone could have gotten in their position and filled their shoes if they were lucky enough and willing to rape and pillage everything in their path for a few years. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 13 02:32:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011130131415.A30126@ringworld.org> * mbutler2@mmm.com [011130 12:57]: > pretty nice stuff, it'll go over a lot of points you may want to know. > Just from personal experience, the iDen stuff that Nextel runs on, has a istream/voicestream is supposedly 50-100kbit/sec. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Thu Dec 13 02:47:59 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD Duplication unit & dual boot Win2k question? Message-ID: <200112130802.fBD82Mu17894@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> First: Response to an older email: I was the newbie who brought the CD duplication unit to the install fest...your certainly welcome. If we need it for other events, please feel free to ask. It shouldn't be too much trouble using it again in the future. Second: I run Mandrake 8.1 (hda) dual booting Win2k (hdc) with GRUB. I seem to have a problem with my Win2k install. Corrupt dll files etc.. preventing it from booting properly. Can I simply reinstall Win2k on it's respective HD without affecting the GRUB boot loader? Thanks for your help... From rechpj at bitstream.net Thu Dec 13 07:09:52 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:49:04PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011213063423.B1051@bitstream.net> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:49:04PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > According to the latest SPEC2000 benchmarks, the IBM eServer pSeries 690 > Turbo is a screamer. It has a "POWER4" CPU in it. I've never heard of the > machine or the CPU before. Has anyone else? This is the replacement for the S70 and S80 Raven. The 690 is supposed to compare to the Sun E10K with far fewer processors. I worked on the S70 and S80. Very nice machines. IBM is finally getting on the UNIX train. Finally. All they had before those machines was the R or S50 servers. Which were painful to run over 20 oracle users on. Good luck with 500. A lot of Oracle people only recommend SUN servers, but I would not hesitate to go with IBM. But of course, I'd give the new IBM intel machines with Linux a try first. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 13 08:19:19 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home References: <15383.44447.109577.109375@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <002b01c183dc$f8f7aeb0$3028680a@tgt.com> Or use Postfix. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P. Goldman" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home > > A while ago I asked for help with setting up a smart host and envelope > masquerading from home. I'd been having some problems. Thanks to > Munir and Petre for advice. Turns out, though, it was a trivial > problem. > > At least on Mandrake, you get a /etc/mail subtree with sendmail.cf and > sendmail.mc. I edited those and did the whole m4 thing. But...d'oh, > there's an /etc/sendmail.cf that masks /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. So.... > when I finally figured that out, all was hunky dory. > > Maybe this will help someone else avoid my goof. > > Cheers, > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rechpj at bitstream.net Thu Dec 13 08:28:27 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) In-Reply-To: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>; from PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:44:32PM -0800 References: <20011212204432.22859.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011213061201.A1051@bitstream.net> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:44:32PM -0800, Paul Harris wrote: > Hi, > > I've inherited an old laptop (Fujitsu Lifebook 520D, P120/40MB, 810MB) that I'd like to use as a browsing station and for some lite word processing. At risk of instigating a holy war, I'd welcome opinions of what window manager, browser and editor to put on it. Yes I know X places a burden on its limited resources, but a) I want a fully graphical browser, b) I like WYSIOEABARAOWYAG* text editing, and c) I like GUIs. I use Debian and KDE (KDM, Konq etc) on my main PC, but figure that KDE might be a bit heavy for this machine. The text editing doesn't need to be flash, but the more features the better. Oh, and any suggestions on partition sizes would be cool too (is that all?!) fvwm, Mosaic and ed. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From paul at harris.net Thu Dec 13 09:46:26 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lightweight Laptop (abilities, not pounds) Message-ID: <20011213143556.26120.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Jack, Thanks for the info! Sadly I've already hit a problem, so while I've found a suggestion I wanted to run it by you as well. I tried to install from CD, got to the point where debian says it is loading linux, and after a little while the process stops and the screen turns into lots of differently coloured blocks, some of them flashing. Sounds like a video issue! I can't find any site still available that has info on the 520D, but a site for the 555T (which is the closest number I can find with the same graphics chip) suggested using the TECRA boot floppies ("guaranteed to work"!), but if this is something you ran into I'd be please to hear from you. Cheers, Paul -- Having run Linux on that exact configuration I'll make the following suggestions: 1. Distro - probably doesn't matter. When I had this system running until last year when the 32MB RAM chip blew, I ran a variety of things and the last one was SuSE 6.4. (At that point I had a 4GB HD so I had plenty of space.) If you want sound get something that has OSS. 2. Window manager: Ice WM. Not reasons, I just like it. ;-) 3. Browser: Opera. Either the free version with the banners or pay for the ad-less version. Netscape is okay once it gets started. Unfortunatly half the sites you want to visit will go out of existance waiting for that to happen! Check the Linux Laptops site (url escapes me at this time) because they have a good discussion of the machine and configuration. If you run into any issues contact me off-list and I'll be glad to offer words of encouragment if not advice. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 13 09:59:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D214@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Or use Postfix. Actually, I'm annoyed with postfix. It makes the job of administering mail servers so much less exciting. It just works flawlessly all the time, and modifications to anything with it simple require doing: postconf -e "whatever = youroptions" postfix reload Too easy. Plus it's very fast. What's a guy supposed to do without backed up queues? Pfft. Jay > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert P. Goldman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:18 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home > > > > > > A while ago I asked for help with setting up a smart host > and envelope > > masquerading from home. I'd been having some problems. Thanks to > > Munir and Petre for advice. Turns out, though, it was a trivial > > problem. > > > > At least on Mandrake, you get a /etc/mail subtree with > sendmail.cf and > > sendmail.mc. I edited those and did the whole m4 thing. > But...d'oh, > > there's an /etc/sendmail.cf that masks > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. So.... > > when I finally figured that out, all was hunky dory. > > > > Maybe this will help someone else avoid my goof. > > > > Cheers, > > R > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Dec 13 10:07:26 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs Message-ID: <01121310062602.00205@bleys> I'd like to try and get away from K-mail, I'd use pine, but I want a GUI interface so I'm looking at Sylpheed. When I do make or make install I get an error message saying that gtk.h is needed. It's on my system: /opt/gnome/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h Why is it that it keeps erroring out on me then? Do I need to compile or load it or ???? Second, I've been looking at Debian as another distro to install on a system. However, the one thing holding me back from it for the most part is the stable version is still at 2.2.19 kernel it looks like. Can someone explain why Debian is so far behind in their stable release compared to all the other distros? Thanks, Shawn From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 13 10:09:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing List (Was: IBM eServer pSeries ...) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D215@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Where is the bottleneck? Mailman or Postfix? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:35 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing List (Was: IBM eServer pSeries ...) > > > "Mike Bresnahan" wrote: > > > > My clock is correct according to nist.time.gov. It must be > > sprite.real-time.com's clock? Note it's taking up to a > week for some > > messages to make it through the list. > > Yes.. it's flukey behavior due to the continuing injection of > messages from the linux-kernel mailing list archives that > people sent in to Bob.. > > I have to ask the mailing list dictator a question, though -- > the graph of the kernel-inject progress doesn't make much > sense to me. Is that just the number of messages sitting in > the queue? I think a lot of people want to know how far > along the whole mess is (or have you actually been adding > more messages frequently enough to account for all of the > spikes on the > graph?) > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ :q! > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 13 10:18:37 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) Microsoft Anti-trust case: MN Atty's General In-Reply-To: <20011130124906.6dcddd3d.rudie@sihope.com>; from rudie@sihope.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:49:06PM +0600 References: <20011130115207.W30126@ringworld.org> <20011130124906.6dcddd3d.rudie@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20011213091515.A30250@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:49:06PM +0600, K Hinze wrote: > Go Minnesota! > To clarify the MN Atty General's stance on M$ and the like, I sent Mike Hatch an email asking for further explanation, as well as my own concerns.. I was pleasantly surprised with his 4 page response. > There is nothing new in this letter, so you have been warned. > I have posted it here > http://fastcomputers.tv/AGvsMS.txt Thanks for posting it, Kevin! That's a great letter, particularly because it's so non-technical. Perfect for giving to non-geek friends who think that MS should be let off the hook... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 13 10:37:14 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011130130038.Z30126@ringworld.org> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> <20011130130038.Z30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1008257944.6488.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 13:00, Scott Dier wrote: > > > AT&T is buying the network so they have more network to exact control > > > over. :) > > If you think any of this would be possible without the "Big Guns" the > > likes of say AT&T, U.S.West, and other so called "evil empires" *cough* > > microsoft *cough* you're mistaken. > > And? You think that the statement above implies this? :) You are so > mistaken. No, but you like a great deal of other people on the list are quick to jump on big business as all being "big bad evil proprietary daemons" > AT&T and such amuse me mostly because of how they run things. I dont > see it as bad, I dont see it as good. Much of it is designed around > operating efficency instead of max cash (they max it well, but not to > 'perfect') and max customer happieness. Its a weird world. agreed. > However, I dont agree with the microsoft remark. Anyone could have > gotten in their position and filled their shoes if they were lucky > enough and willing to rape and pillage everything in their path for a > few years. agreed. But they've done a great deal to get computers as main-stream as they are, and as latent result, cheaper. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is disturbing for several reasons, including the fact that it is confirmed that the Soviet-era government had weaponized and probably stockpiled this pathogen in one of the central asian republics, like Tadzhikistan. I read the story on Janes, and it pretty much said what the guest did. The guest was also correct that the story was not being carried by any other of the major news outlets, another distrubing fact. I only personally looked at www.cnn.com and www.msnbc.com; no story. Now the weird - I got up this AM, started my browser, and got 'Sorry, the page you are looking for is not here'. I searched the Janes' archives, and the story has totally vanished without a trace. And now the double weird - the guest's site www.breathenoevil.com seems to be totally missing also.. cannot connect, no ping response from the server, but the IP is (199.2.135.67). Art Bell has a way of 'slashdotting' websites, but usually only during the show, not the next day... Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else heard of this story? -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Thu Dec 13 10:50:27 2001 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm wierdness In-Reply-To: <20011130120853.Z18760@real-time.com> References: <20011130120853.Z18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200112131550.JAA14402@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Hmm...I can't guarantee this wouldn't have undesirable effects but deleting the transient /var/lib/rpm/__db* files may do the trick. When my cron.daily RPM job occasionally hung, deleting these transient files was the only way I could access the RPM database without rebooting. Although this might not be the exact problem, this URL might explain a bit more: http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/87/2001/8/50/6439387/ Good luck! Brandon On Friday 30 November 2001 12:08 pm, you wrote: > I was removing some RPMs using rpm -e [package] and the process > appeared to hang. After many minutes of waiting, I attempted to kill it, > with no success. And I cannot do any other rpm commands until it's > done/killed. What can I do? > > [root@walleye atanner]# ps -ef | grep rpm > root 5863 5836 0 11:47 ? 00:00:00 rpm -e apmd autofs > xisdnload isdroot 5971 5906 0 12:03 ttyp2 00:00:00 grep rpm > [root@walleye atanner]# kill -9 5863 > [root@walleye atanner]# ps -ef | grep rpm > root 5863 5836 0 11:47 ? 00:00:00 rpm -e apmd autofs > xisdnload isdroot 5974 5906 0 12:08 ttyp2 00:00:00 grep rpm > [root@walleye atanner]# rpm -q apmd > error: cannot get shared lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages > error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) > > thanks. From jasonj at talkware.net Thu Dec 13 11:27:44 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Live Customer Support Message-ID: <3C18D57C.8060009@talkware.net> This is a cool cheap application for live customer support chatting. I was thinking about installing this at the ISP I work for. Anyone else used anything like this? Maybe a free open source product? http://www.osicodes.com/?phplive From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 13 11:54:59 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D214@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <00b601c183f3$80120240$3028680a@tgt.com> Postfix is the cause of our current economic recession. It all started with layoffs of mail admins ... Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home > > Or use Postfix. > > Actually, I'm annoyed with postfix. It makes the job of administering mail > servers so much less exciting. It just works flawlessly all the time, and > modifications to anything with it simple require doing: > postconf -e "whatever = youroptions" > postfix reload > > Too easy. Plus it's very fast. What's a guy supposed to do without backed > up queues? Pfft. > > Jay > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert P. Goldman" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:18 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for home > > > > > > > > > > A while ago I asked for help with setting up a smart host > > and envelope > > > masquerading from home. I'd been having some problems. Thanks to > > > Munir and Petre for advice. Turns out, though, it was a trivial > > > problem. > > > > > > At least on Mandrake, you get a /etc/mail subtree with > > sendmail.cf and > > > sendmail.mc. I edited those and did the whole m4 thing. > > But...d'oh, > > > there's an /etc/sendmail.cf that masks > > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. So.... > > > when I finally figured that out, all was hunky dory. > > > > > > Maybe this will help someone else avoid my goof. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > R > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Thu Dec 13 12:25:41 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:26:04AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011213103312.A14829@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:26:04AM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > What I have done is set the following in my BIOS: > Audio: [Enabled] > SB I/O Address: [220h] I don't use the sound much on mine, but when I do I just load the sb driver. Sure, the sound still sucks, but it's a laptop. Nate From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 13 12:36:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: war-related news blackout? In-Reply-To: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011213113743.E26252@fandre.com> You've got the story in your browser cache? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Hi, sorry if this seems like a pile of FUD, but this is really bugging me > and I wanted to say something about it. > > Last night, Art Bell had on a guest who was an expert in bioterrorism. He > stated that Janes (www.janes.com) was carrying a story about two current > outbreaks of Congo-Crimean Hemmoragic Fever that were ongoing in Pakistan > and Iran. These two outbreaks, are the largest and second-largest ever > recorded, some total of 175-200 people infected and quarrantined. This is > disturbing for several reasons, including the fact that it is confirmed > that the Soviet-era government had weaponized and probably stockpiled this > pathogen in one of the central asian republics, like Tadzhikistan. > > I read the story on Janes, and it pretty much said what the guest did. The > guest was also correct that the story was not being carried by any other > of the major news outlets, another distrubing fact. I only personally > looked at www.cnn.com and www.msnbc.com; no story. > > Now the weird - I got up this AM, started my browser, and got 'Sorry, the > page you are looking for is not here'. I searched the Janes' archives, and > the story has totally vanished without a trace. And now the double weird - > the guest's site www.breathenoevil.com seems to be totally missing also.. > cannot connect, no ping response from the server, but the IP is > (199.2.135.67). Art Bell has a way of 'slashdotting' websites, but usually > only during the show, not the next day... > > Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else > heard of this story? > > > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Dec 13 12:44:17 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable Message-ID: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Because it's ... umm ... stable. :) OK, that's a bit lame because 2.4 seems to have proven itself by now, but Debian is deliberately conservative, and therefore dependable (Kind of like Strom Thurmond? - not necesarily what you want, but at least you know what it is. The conservative bit translates directly). Having said that it's easy to upgrade to Woody, which is up to 2.4.16 last time I checked, and is running just fine on my box (except for all the stuff I don't know how to do yet, but that's down to me not it!) Finally Woody is due to become the new stable soon - maybe Feb? Cheers, Paul -- Second, I've been looking at Debian as another distro to install on a system. However, the one thing holding me back from it for the most part is the stable version is still at 2.2.19 kernel it looks like. Can someone explain why Debian is so far behind in their stable release compared to all the other distros? Thanks, Shawn From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 13 12:50:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Live Customer Support In-Reply-To: <3C18D57C.8060009@talkware.net> References: <3C18D57C.8060009@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20011213115508.T16271@ringworld.org> * Jason Jorgensen [011213 11:31]: > http://www.osicodes.com/?phplive Most of these things suck in the way that they horribly abuse javascript. I would make up something using java, myself. But microsoft has made that annoying with the no-java-in-winxp-thing. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From mbresnah at visi.com Thu Dec 13 13:24:49 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: war-related news blackout? In-Reply-To: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Well it would be an easy way for Art to entertain his listeners. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:49 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: war-related news blackout? > > > Hi, sorry if this seems like a pile of FUD, but this is really bugging me > and I wanted to say something about it. > > Last night, Art Bell had on a guest who was an expert in bioterrorism. He > stated that Janes (www.janes.com) was carrying a story about two current > outbreaks of Congo-Crimean Hemmoragic Fever that were ongoing in Pakistan > and Iran. These two outbreaks, are the largest and second-largest ever > recorded, some total of 175-200 people infected and quarrantined. This is > disturbing for several reasons, including the fact that it is confirmed > that the Soviet-era government had weaponized and probably stockpiled this > pathogen in one of the central asian republics, like Tadzhikistan. > > I read the story on Janes, and it pretty much said what the guest did. The > guest was also correct that the story was not being carried by any other > of the major news outlets, another distrubing fact. I only personally > looked at www.cnn.com and www.msnbc.com; no story. > > Now the weird - I got up this AM, started my browser, and got 'Sorry, the > page you are looking for is not here'. I searched the Janes' archives, and > the story has totally vanished without a trace. And now the double weird - > the guest's site www.breathenoevil.com seems to be totally missing also.. > cannot connect, no ping response from the server, but the IP is > (199.2.135.67). Art Bell has a way of 'slashdotting' websites, but usually > only during the show, not the next day... > > Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else > heard of this story? > > > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Thu Dec 13 13:57:07 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <01121314070106.00205@bleys> On Thursday 13 December 2001 11:46, Paul Harris wrote: > Having said that it's easy to upgrade to Woody, which is up to 2.4.16 last > time I checked, and is running just fine on my box (except for all the > stuff I don't know how to do yet, but that's down to me not it!) So, what would be the way to do this? apt-get all packages? I haven't touched a Debian install before, and only heard about that through the list.... Shawn From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Dec 13 14:07:17 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] A smack for MS Message-ID: Truth in advertising: "Serving ourselves, not the customer." I don't think it's any wonder that a lot of folks find it easy to get on the 'big bad evil proprietary daemons' bandwagon. They do give capitalists a bad name. >>> dieman+tclug@ringworld.org 12/13/01 11:55AM >>> >But microsoft has made that annoying with the no-java-in-winxp-thing. From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Dec 13 14:16:59 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News blackout? Message-ID: <20011213192910.23426.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Seems unlikely - there is some mention of it at the BBC: http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/results.pl?q=Congo+Fever+Iran+Pakistan&scope=news&sortby=sortdate&tab=news and Janes is a British company, so that reduces the likelihood (not because the British are more reputable, just because it would have to be controlled in two countries). Speaking as a biased Brit, I find it often helps to go to news.bbc.co.uk for a broader view. Cheers, Paul --- "Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else heard of this story?" From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Dec 13 14:33:17 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent Message-ID: <20011213183343.21524.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Found a link to this Micro$oft page on LinuxToday about embedded devices and Linux: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp Had to post it to the group to vent. I have no idea if Windows or Linux is better for embedded systems, and if it turns out it's Windows then that's fine by me. But the misleading statements on this page just staggered me. My favourites include: *"Even vendors such as Red Hat cannot guarantee the reliability and security of their OS" (And Micro$oft does?) *Microsoft - "There are no hidden or unknown legal and development costs from managing your intellectual property around the GPL." Linux - Discusses an NVIDIA coder who used some GPL code for one of their drivers "The developer failed to realize the code was licensed under the GPL and would therefore require NVIDIA to release the source code for its entire driver. Because NVIDIA did not want to release the source code to its commercial software, the company incurred substantial costs to develop a new driver that did not contain the GPL code." (As opposed to just incurring those costs directly, because there is no similar code to borrow for Windows) *"The Red Hat Worldwide Technical Support Guidelines and Definitions document states that Red Hat will not support any modifications made to their distribution of Linux that are not approved or recommended by them." (Whereas Micro$oft are more than happy for you to hack around in their code, moding whatever you fancy) Thanks for listening, I feel a little better now. Cheers, Paul From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 13 15:00:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: war-related news blackout? In-Reply-To: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011213140412.19f9a638.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Bill Layer" wrote: > > Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else > heard of this story? I heard of it a month or so ago when the first cases were reported in Pakistan. I think it got drowned out (at least in part) by the coverage of Anthrax here in the U.S. If anywhere, I'd expect to hear about it on a news program on NPR or PBS, but I've been cutting back on my TV news after watching many people I agree with get shot down in various panel `discussions'... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't let your mind wander / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ -- it's too little to be \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) let out alone. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The quick answer is to go edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change all instances of `potato' or `stable' to `woody' or `testing', and then run `apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' The dist-upgrade part can be pretty hairy sometimes, and you may need to `apt-get install' some things or pull some other tricks. However, I think the process has probably smoothed out since I last did it. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Man invented language to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ satisfy his deep need to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) complain. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011213/955f860c/attachment.pgp From nate at techie.com Thu Dec 13 15:32:54 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <01121314070106.00205@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 02:07:01PM -0600 References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <01121314070106.00205@bleys> Message-ID: <20011213143136.A13921@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 02:07:01PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > On Thursday 13 December 2001 11:46, Paul Harris wrote: > > Having said that it's easy to upgrade to Woody, which is up to 2.4.16 last > > time I checked, and is running just fine on my box (except for all the > > stuff I don't know how to do yet, but that's down to me not it!) > > So, what would be the way to do this? apt-get all packages? Heck no! Install just what you want to use. To upgrade from potato to woody, just follow the following steps: 1. replace {stable|potato} in /etc/apt/sources.list with "woody" 2. apt-get update 3. apt-get upgrade Now everything that you had installed will be upgraded to the verion currently in woody. Nate From nicksteeler12 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 15:42:03 2001 From: nicksteeler12 at cs.com (nicksteeler12@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent Message-ID: <2C3BD978.1344D202.BBB7EE28@cs.com> I am hateing microsoft more and more every day. If i had to choose between the two, i would NOT chose winxp embedded. ah well....microsft just keeps finding ways to pee me off all the time. Paul Harris wrote: >Found a link to this Micro$oft page on LinuxToday about embedded devices and Linux: > >http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp > >Had to post it to the group to vent. I have no idea if Windows or Linux is better for embedded systems, and if it turns out it's Windows then that's fine by me. But the misleading statements on this page just staggered me. My favourites include: > >*"Even vendors such as Red Hat cannot guarantee the reliability and security of their OS" (And Micro$oft does?) > >*Microsoft - "There are no hidden or unknown legal and development costs from managing your intellectual property around the GPL." >Linux - Discusses an NVIDIA coder who used some GPL code for one of their drivers "The developer failed to realize the code was licensed under the GPL and would therefore require NVIDIA to release the source code for its entire driver. Because NVIDIA did not want to release the source code to its commercial software, the company incurred substantial costs to develop a new driver that did not contain the GPL code." (As opposed to just incurring those costs directly, because there is no similar code to borrow for Windows) > >*"The Red Hat Worldwide Technical Support Guidelines and Definitions document states that Red Hat will not support any modifications made to their distribution of Linux that are not approved or recommended by them." (Whereas Micro$oft are more than happy for you to hack around in their code, moding whatever you fancy) > >Thanks for listening, I feel a little better now. > >Cheers, Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 13 16:15:20 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <018401c1841a$0ed0b6e0$3028680a@tgt.com> It won't become stable until 2.6.0 is released -- if history is any lesson. Probably sometime in 2003. :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Harris" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable > Because it's ... umm ... stable. :) OK, that's a bit lame because 2.4 seems to have proven itself by now, but Debian is deliberately conservative, and therefore dependable (Kind of like Strom Thurmond? - not necesarily what you want, but at least you know what it is. The conservative bit translates directly). > > Having said that it's easy to upgrade to Woody, which is up to 2.4.16 last time I checked, and is running just fine on my box (except for all the stuff I don't know how to do yet, but that's down to me not it!) > > Finally Woody is due to become the new stable soon - maybe Feb? > > Cheers, Paul > -- > > Second, I've been looking at Debian as another distro to install on a system. However, the one thing holding me back from it for the most part is the stable version is still at 2.2.19 kernel it looks like. Can someone explain > why Debian is so far behind in their stable release compared to all the other distros? > > Thanks, > Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 13 17:23:03 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <01121314070106.00205@bleys> Message-ID: I'm sure some other debian user is bangina away at a similar reply, but oh well. :) Debian Stable is just that, Stable. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The only thing that gets updated in Stable is security stuff. And whenever possible, the security stuff is backported from the latest version of the software to the version of the software that is in stable. AFAIK, bind has been the only recent exception to this rule. > > Having said that it's easy to upgrade to Woody, which is up to 2.4.16 last > So, what would be the way to do this? apt-get all packages? I haven't > touched a Debian install before, and only heard about that through the > list.... No no my good friend. First update /etc/apt/sources.list to change occurances of stable/potato to woody. (you can leave the potato lines in there if you want, and then just make new lines for woody.) Then apt-get update (updates list of available packages.), then apt-get -dy dist-upgrade (Downloads packages to upgrade from one version of debian to the latest.) When your download finishes, run apt-get dist-upgrade. (I like using the -dy switches to download first. Then I can walk away from my box, get a pepsi, watch Farscape, sleep, whatever while packages download, then perform the upgrade when I have a few spare minutes, and I don't have to wait for the packages.) AFTER you've updated to woody, you should be able to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add the line: APT::DefaultRelease "woody"; It might also help to create /etc/apt/preferences containing: Package: * Pin: release a=woody Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 50 In theory, when you apt-get install something, it should download something from the woody tree. But, if you apt-get -t unstable install something, apt would grab the unstable version of something and somethings dependencies. I haven't tested this out yet myself. Just read it on www.debianplanet.org. Read the apt_preferences man page and the apt howto first, and use apt-get -su install|upgrade|distupgrade to just simulate the actions that would be taken before you rely on it. Doing otherwise would be dangerous. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 13 17:23:47 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <01121314070106.00205@bleys> Message-ID: Oh, and just to note: Woody Base packages are frozen. Standard (std) and tasks should freeze in a month or so. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Dec 13 17:43:37 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>; from PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:46:21AM -0800 References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011213125222.A14650@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:46:21AM -0800, Paul Harris wrote: > Because it's ... umm ... stable. :) OK, that's a bit lame because > 2.4 seems to have proven itself by now, but Debian is deliberately > conservative, and therefore dependable (Kind of like Strom Thurmond? > - not necesarily what you want, but at least you know what it is. > The conservative bit translates directly). So we have the following relations: stable => Bush frozen => Gore unstable => Nader ? :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org From tl at assimilated.org Thu Dec 13 18:20:18 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: <01121310062602.00205@bleys> References: <01121310062602.00205@bleys> Message-ID: <20011213231944.GB2308@assimilated.org> On Dec 13 at 10:06AM Shawn wrote: > I'd like to try and get away from K-mail, I'd use pine, but I want > a GUI interface so I'm looking at Sylpheed. *cough* mutt > When I do make or make install I get an error message saying that > gtk.h is needed. It's on my system: > /opt/gnome/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h > Why is it that it keeps erroring out on me then? Do I need to > compile or load it or ???? doing something like ln -s /opt/gnome/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h /usr/include/gtk.h and then running configure should give you better results. you'll probably have to do that with a few other headers if they are in weird places as well. you could always just change your include path, but what fun is that? > Second, I've been looking at Debian as another distro to install > on a system. However, the one thing holding me back from it for > the most part is the stable version is still at 2.2.19 kernel it > looks like. Can someone explain why Debian is so far behind in > their stable release compared to all the other distros? 2.4 isn't really 'stable' in many people's eyes, I would guess that has something to do with it. see: filesystem corruption, virtual memory changes, etc. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 868 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011213/115e3426/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Dec 13 18:21:06 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Staroffice for IMAP mail? Message-ID: I started playing around using Staroffice 5.2 for a mail client to connect to my IMAP server. Everything's going ok then I realize it can't delete messages from the server. You can say delete and they disappear from view, but they're still on the server. Anyone know a way around this or is Staroffice just broken? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 14 04:30:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Staroffice for IMAP mail? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D224@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I ran into this same problem with a different mail client a long time ago (forget which one). I had to exit out of the program, and upon exit, it would actually delete the files. It turned out that there was an option you could set to manipulate this behavior. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@mtu.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Staroffice for IMAP mail? > > > I started playing around using Staroffice 5.2 for a mail > client to connect to > my IMAP server. Everything's going ok then I realize it > can't delete messages > from the server. You can say delete and they disappear from > view, but they're > still on the server. Anyone know a way around this or is > Staroffice just > broken? > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Dec 14 04:52:06 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: war-related news blackout? In-Reply-To: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011213112404.S16271@ringworld.org> * Bill Layer [011213 10:53]: > Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else > heard of this story? Naa, likely lots of retractions based on this: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/293127 -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Dec 14 04:53:31 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Live Customer Support References: <3C18D57C.8060009@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3C18E6B7.6010501@sodatrain.com> ive seen it, thought about it for tech support at work too... id be interesting to hear more about it. i set it up the other day... to test briefly. seemed cool. from what i remember, all requests go to a specific (one) person based on the dept. requested. maybey each person would have to be thier own dept, but, as the demo was set up, all tech support went to a tech support person, and all HR went to an HR person... Jason Jorgensen wrote: > This is a cool cheap application for live customer support chatting. I > was thinking about installing this at the ISP I work for. Anyone else > used anything like this? Maybe a free open source product? > > http://www.osicodes.com/?phplive > > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Dec 14 05:02:53 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: News blackout? In-Reply-To: <20011213192910.23426.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011213192910.23426.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011213155758.V16271@ringworld.org> * Paul Harris [011213 14:19]: > and Janes is a British company, so that reduces the likelihood (not because the British are more reputable, just because it would have to be controlled in two countries). Speaking as a biased Brit, I find it often helps to go to news.bbc.co.uk for a broader view. Well, we do have eschelon over there :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Dec 14 05:36:28 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008302218.10935.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> What is RSI? Do you mean Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 20:21, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and > tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Dec 14 05:37:22 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008302656.1748.38.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Does this work? append="cs4232=0x530,5,1,0,0x330,5,0" On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 01:26, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Finally! I have a linux-related question. > > Allright. I have have a 3+ year old Dell Inspiron 3200 with the following > config: > > Debian Potato > Kernel 2.4.16 > Crystal CS4237 chipset sound card > > I've read the following sources: > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/jcb35/linux/i3200.html > > and > http://members.tripod.com/jeffchiu/linux-i3200.html > > > What I have done is set the following in my BIOS: > Audio: [Enabled] > SB I/O Address: [220h] > WSS I/O Address: [530h] > AdLib I/O Address: [388h] > Interrupt: [IRQ5] > > > and in my lilo.conf I've passed the following parameters: > > append="cs4232=0x530,5,1,0,0x330,5" > > And now my sound works, kinda. Its super staticy and it won't play mp3's at > all. I remember sound being difficult to setup last time I had debian on > this box (~2 years ago), but I KNOW it is possible to get (luscious)16bit > sound and play mp3s. I don't remember what exactly I had to do last time to > get sound working. I really want this to work, properly. :) > > According to dmesg: > at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1,0 > > It appears that the parameters are being passed correctly. > > I also found this in the kernel docs, but I don't understand what it means: > http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/sound/CS4232.html > > As of right now sound is NOT configured as a module, it's right in the > kernel because modprobe was not finding the modules. > > So any help you may have to get this running would be much appreciated! I > don't want dorkstuff to become a win98 box, but if sound won't work I'll > have to put it on there.:) > > Thanks, > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Dec 14 05:38:11 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD Duplication unit & dual boot Win2k question? In-Reply-To: <200112130802.fBD82Mu17894@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200112130802.fBD82Mu17894@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <1008302929.10935.42.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Back up any vitally important data. Although it's possible to install Win2K w/o messing up your linux partition, Microsoft repeatedly tries to trick you into erasing it. When you are done installing W2K and you want GRUB back, boot from the Mandrake CD, hit F1, and type "rescue". You can then re-install GRUB. On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 02:01, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > First: > Response to an older email: I was the newbie who brought the CD duplication > unit to the install fest...your certainly welcome. If we need it for other > events, please feel free to ask. It shouldn't be too much trouble using it > again in the future. > > Second: > I run Mandrake 8.1 (hda) dual booting Win2k (hdc) with GRUB. I seem to have > a problem with my Win2k install. Corrupt dll files etc.. preventing it from > booting properly. Can I simply reinstall Win2k on it's respective HD without > affecting the GRUB boot loader? Thanks for your help... From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Dec 14 05:41:42 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <1008304440.1748.61.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> I really like the *idea* of Debian, but I find that their unstable branch is a bit TOO unstable, and their stable branch is WAY too stable. They should have a "sorta-stable" branch.... On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 11:46, Paul Harris wrote: > Because it's ... umm ... stable. :) OK, that's a bit lame because 2.4 seems to have proven itself by now, but Debian is deliberately conservative, and therefore dependable (Kind of like Strom Thurmond? - not necesarily what you want, but at least you know what it is. The conservative bit translates directly). > > Having said that it's easy to upgrade to Woody, which is up to 2.4.16 last time I checked, and is running just fine on my box (except for all the stuff I don't know how to do yet, but that's down to me not it!) > > Finally Woody is due to become the new stable soon - maybe Feb? > > Cheers, Paul > -- > > Second, I've been looking at Debian as another distro to install on a system. However, the one thing holding me back from it for the most part is the stable version is still at 2.2.19 kernel it looks like. Can someone explain > why Debian is so far behind in their stable release compared to all the other distros? > > Thanks, > Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Dec 14 05:42:30 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Live Customer Support In-Reply-To: <20011213115508.T16271@ringworld.org> References: <3C18D57C.8060009@talkware.net> <20011213115508.T16271@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1008304669.10934.63.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> That's easy. Send an e-mail to all customers telling them Windows Xcruciating Pain is not supported. On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 11:55, Scott Dier wrote: > * Jason Jorgensen [011213 11:31]: > > http://www.osicodes.com/?phplive > > Most of these things suck in the way that they horribly abuse > javascript. I would make up something using java, myself. But > microsoft has made that annoying with the no-java-in-winxp-thing. > From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Fri Dec 14 05:43:20 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Debian Stable Message-ID: <20011214043846.10760.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> One extra thing when upgrading to Woody is that the kernel is not upgraded by apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade (which is sensible if you think about). Instead you have to specifically apt-get install the relevant package. For example my weekend kernel upgrade will be: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.16-k6 As listed at http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ Cheers, Paul From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Dec 14 05:44:12 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent In-Reply-To: <2C3BD978.1344D202.BBB7EE28@cs.com> References: <2C3BD978.1344D202.BBB7EE28@cs.com> Message-ID: <1008305167.1748.71.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> I feel the same way. It's gotten to the point where I fantasize about sniping Steve "The Monkey" Ballmer. Fortunately I don't live in Redmond. :) On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 14:47, nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > I am hateing microsoft more and more every day. If i had to choose between the two, i would NOT chose winxp embedded. > > ah well....microsft just keeps finding ways to pee me off all the time. > Paul Harris wrote: From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 05:45:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: <20011213231944.GB2308@assimilated.org> References: <01121310062602.00205@bleys> <20011213231944.GB2308@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <01121323562500.00216@bleys> On Thursday 13 December 2001 17:19, tim lupfer wrote: > On Dec 13 at 10:06AM Shawn wrote: > > I'd like to try and get away from K-mail, I'd use pine, but I want > > a GUI interface so I'm looking at Sylpheed. > > *cough* mutt *cough* See GUI reference =) > doing something like > > ln -s /opt/gnome/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h /usr/include/gtk.h > > and then running configure should give you better results. you'll > probably have to do that with a few other headers if they are in > weird places as well. you could always just change your include > path, but what fun is that? Okay, another question in regards to gtk.h..... what is the minimal amount of Gnome I need to install to get that? Running Slackware laptop that I'd like to open up some space on again. I run fvwm, and nothing of gnome really that I know of. Thanks for the answers. Shawn From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 14 05:48:28 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011213194022.GE3908@wookimus.net> Shawn wrote: > Second, I've been looking at Debian as another distro to install on a > system. However, the one thing holding me back from it for the most > part is the stable version is still at 2.2.19 kernel it looks like. > Can someone explain why Debian is so far behind in their stable > release compared to all the other distros? Debian's release cycle is a slow process. I don't think that'll ever change. There have been proposals to speed up things a bit, but there's one major policy change that would have to take place, release-critical and security bugs would have to be allowed to exist. Sounds pretty insane, doesn't it? Debian's stable distribution will always be stable and frozen. No new packages for the stable distribution will ever be introduced into the central archive. There are a number of proposed-updates that make their way through, but these are for security bugfixes mainly. There are few low-priority bugfixes that make their way into stable, if any. If you'd like a more up-to-date snapshot of software, use Debian's testing distribution. It's halfway between unstable and stable, so it's normally had pretty thorough user testing from the unstable branch. i.e. packages migrate from unstable to stable when no bugs greater than a severity of "normal" exist on it or any packages it depends upon. Oh, yeah, the bug-tracking system for debian is intrinsically tied into package management, and thusly into the release management process. Having otherwise would be pure suicide given the size of the distribution and number of developers. All-in-all, the distribution is one of the most dynamic and most stable in all of the Linux world. I would be interested in seeing some statistics on how much change goes on in unstable and testing branches. The sheer volume would be astounding. Anyway, back to work. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, it occasionally twitches > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Dec 14 07:38:53 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD Duplication unit & dual boot Win2k question? References: <200112130802.fBD82Mu17894@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <1008302929.10935.42.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3C19F9C0.A35601F@gvtel.com> ScanMan wrote: > Back up any vitally important data. Although it's possible to install > Win2K w/o messing up your linux partition, Microsoft repeatedly tries to > trick you into erasing it. When you are done installing W2K and you want > GRUB back, boot from the Mandrake CD, hit F1, and type "rescue". You can > then re-install GRUB. > > On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 02:01, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > First: > > Response to an older email: I was the newbie who brought the CD duplication > > unit to the install fest...your certainly welcome. If we need it for other > > events, please feel free to ask. It shouldn't be too much trouble using it > > again in the future. > > > > Second: > > I run Mandrake 8.1 (hda) dual booting Win2k (hdc) with GRUB. I seem to have > > a problem with my Win2k install. Corrupt dll files etc.. preventing it from > > booting properly. Can I simply reinstall Win2k on it's respective HD without > > affecting the GRUB boot loader? Thanks for your help... > > Actually I just did exactly that (almost) I have a triple boot system Linux/Win2k/Win98 I booted into 98, nuked the 2k install, pointed 98 at the setup on the 2k CD and away we went. Never touched lilo at all. YMMV RS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011214/148405dd/attachment.html From dac at nwc.edu Fri Dec 14 07:45:17 2001 From: dac at nwc.edu (David Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/Tomcat 4.0 Message-ID: I'm having some trouble "Getting Apache and Tomcat to Play Nice" as the Oct 2001 Linux Mag says. I'm running Apache 1.3.22 and Tomcat 4.0.1-b1 and everyone's happy on their own. However, when I try to add LoadModule webapp_module libexec/mod_webapp.so and AddModule mod_webapp.c to my httpd.conf I get the error "Invalid command 'LoadModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration." I compiled Apache with the simple instructions ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache make make install Any ideas why Apache isn't recognizing 'LoadModule' as valid? This one is strange to me. David From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Dec 14 08:22:40 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms References: <1008302218.10935.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3C19FC7F.EEC0803@gvtel.com> Repetitive Stress Injury And to his question..... I doubt the keyboard would help. My bet is that if you saw a chiropracter you would find that you had some knots in your muscles right around the shoulder blades on your back. When these occur they pinch the nerves that are connected to the fingers, and among other things cause numbness. /me has had numb pinkys for a few years d/t that :) RS > What is RSI? Do you mean Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? > > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 20:21, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and > > tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches > > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tl at assimilated.org Fri Dec 14 08:26:53 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: <01121323562500.00216@bleys> References: <01121310062602.00205@bleys> <20011213231944.GB2308@assimilated.org> <01121323562500.00216@bleys> Message-ID: <20011214131720.GA572@assimilated.org> On Dec 13 at 11:56PM Shawn wrote: > On Thursday 13 December 2001 17:19, tim lupfer wrote: >> *cough* mutt > *cough* See GUI reference =) doh, I thought that meant 'good user interface' ;P [...] > Okay, another question in regards to gtk.h..... what is the minimal amount > of Gnome I need to install to get that? Running Slackware laptop that I'd > like to open up some space on again. I run fvwm, and nothing of gnome really > that I know of. gtk does not depend on gnome, rather gnome depends on gtk. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 868 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011214/7f347f4c/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Fri Dec 14 08:33:46 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <1008302218.10935.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 13 Dec 2001, ScanMan wrote: > What is RSI? Do you mean Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? RSI is "Repetitive Stress Injury." My understanding is that CTS is a specific type of RSI. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From thomas at stderr.net Fri Dec 14 08:48:05 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/Tomcat 4.0 In-Reply-To: ; from dac@nwc.edu on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:23:48PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011214145014.X33861@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:23:48PM -0600, David Cross wrote: > I'm having some trouble "Getting Apache and Tomcat to Play Nice" as the Oct > 2001 Linux Mag says. I'm running Apache 1.3.22 and Tomcat 4.0.1-b1 and > everyone's happy on their own. > > However, when I try to add > > LoadModule webapp_module libexec/mod_webapp.so > and > AddModule mod_webapp.c > > to my httpd.conf I get the error > "Invalid command 'LoadModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not > included in the server configuration." > > I compiled Apache with the simple instructions > ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache > make > make install > > Any ideas why Apache isn't recognizing 'LoadModule' as valid? This one is > strange to me. Yeah, you forgot to build apache with mod_so support. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache --enable-module=so -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From veldy at veldy.net Fri Dec 14 08:48:58 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/Tomcat 4.0 References: Message-ID: <001701c184a6$9826c600$3028680a@tgt.com> You need to compile Apache to use modules. It is all in the installation file that came with the tarball and it is also on their website (http://www.apache.org). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cross" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/Tomcat 4.0 > I'm having some trouble "Getting Apache and Tomcat to Play Nice" as the Oct > 2001 Linux Mag says. I'm running Apache 1.3.22 and Tomcat 4.0.1-b1 and > everyone's happy on their own. > > However, when I try to add > > LoadModule webapp_module libexec/mod_webapp.so > and > AddModule mod_webapp.c > > to my httpd.conf I get the error > "Invalid command 'LoadModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not > included in the server configuration." > > I compiled Apache with the simple instructions > ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache > make > make install > > Any ideas why Apache isn't recognizing 'LoadModule' as valid? This one is > strange to me. > > David > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Fri Dec 14 08:59:17 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Debian Stable Message-ID: <20011214140242.9782.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hmm, a great idea. Perhaps they could formally call it something like 'Testing', and accept packages that have hung around in unstable for a while, but haven't been proved sufficiently for stable. And they could give it a cool nickname, like 'Woody'. Sorry Scanman, I know virtually nothing about Linux, so this is the first chance I've had to do geek sarcasm :) Check out http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages for full info - testing/woody provides me with just the right amount of excitement! Cheers, Paul -- > From: ScanMan > > I really like the *idea* of Debian, but I find that their unstable > branch is a bit TOO unstable, and their stable branch is WAY too stable. > They should have a "sorta-stable" branch.... From eng at pinenet.com Fri Dec 14 09:23:22 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News blackout? Message-ID: <01C1847C.29F4BA40.eng@pinenet.com> Thanks for the link. I'll visit it again. I usually get timely world news from Reuters, through the Excite portal. There are always stories of importance that don't make American news, so I wouldn't consider this a "blackout." Cold, starving refugees amidst dead bodies are always infected with something "rare." But thanks for the lead. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Harris [SMTP:PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] News blackout? Seems unlikely - there is some mention of it at the BBC: http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/results.pl?q=Congo+Fever+Iran+Pakist an&scope=news&sortby=sortdate&tab=news and Janes is a British company, so that reduces the likelihood (not because the British are more reputable, just because it would have to be controlled in two countries). Speaking as a biased Brit, I find it often helps to go to news.bbc.co.uk for a broader view. Cheers, Paul --- "Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else heard of this story?" _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 14 09:31:32 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <1008304440.1748.61.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <1008304440.1748.61.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011214091135.1f45e56d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> ScanMan wrote: > > I really like the *idea* of Debian, but I find that their unstable > branch is a bit TOO unstable, and their stable branch is WAY too stable. > They should have a "sorta-stable" branch.... Um, yeah.. testing, aka Woody, is the sorta-stable branch. That's what the next release of Debian will be based on. 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If i had to choose between the two, i would NOT chose winxp embedded. >> >> ah well....microsft just keeps finding ways to pee me off all the time. >> Paul Harris wrote: > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Fri Dec 14 10:30:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Staroffice for IMAP mail? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 05:28:09PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011214092000.D24823@real-time.com> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 05:28:09PM -0600, Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net) wrote: > I started playing around using Staroffice 5.2 for a mail client to connect to > my IMAP server. Everything's going ok then I realize it can't delete messages > from the server. You can say delete and they disappear from view, but they're > still on the server. Anyone know a way around this or is Staroffice just > broken? Usually with IMAP clients, when you tell them to delete, they mark them for deletion but they aren't actually deleted until you do a purge command, so I'd like for something called purge. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 14 10:39:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D227@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I had symptoms like this about 2 years ago. It got so bad that I would just go home for the rest of the day around noon or so. It felt like someone had smashed both of my wrists with a big hammer. I bought a Microsoft Ergo keyboard, and a trackball (I'm now using the MS Trackball Optical, thumb operated). I haven't had problems since. As soon as I get on a regular keyboard, or use a regular mouse for any period of time, the pain starts to come back. Keyboards and trackballs are one thing that MS got right. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:31 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms > > > On 13 Dec 2001, ScanMan wrote: > > > What is RSI? Do you mean Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? > > RSI is "Repetitive Stress Injury." My understanding is that > CTS is a specific type of RSI. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 14 10:43:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D228@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you guys see black Suburbans parked outside your house, or following you, RUN! > -----Original Message----- > From: nicksteeler12@cs.com [mailto:nicksteeler12@cs.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:13 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: RE: [TCLUG] Vent > > > ive often fantasized about that too. and sniping gates would > be neat to. > > i wonder what m$ would do if they ever got these emails > ScanMan wrote: > > >I feel the same way. It's gotten to the point where I > fantasize about > >sniping Steve "The Monkey" Ballmer. Fortunately I don't live in > >Redmond. > > :) > > > >On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 14:47, nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > >> I am hateing microsoft more and more every day. If i had > to choose > >> between the two, i would NOT chose winxp embedded. > >> > >> ah well....microsft just keeps finding ways to pee me off all the > >> time. Paul Harris wrote: > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 10:44:29 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: <20011214131720.GA572@assimilated.org> References: <01121310062602.00205@bleys> <01121323562500.00216@bleys> <20011214131720.GA572@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <01121410443701.00469@bleys> On Friday 14 December 2001 07:17, tim lupfer wrote: > > Okay, another question in regards to gtk.h..... what is the minimal > > amount of Gnome I need to install to get that? Running Slackware laptop > > that I'd like to open up some space on again. I run fvwm, and nothing of > > gnome really that I know of. > > gtk does not depend on gnome, rather gnome depends on gtk. Okay, that explains a little. Which package do I need to install to get gtk.h is what I'm after. Thanks. Shawn From legal at microsoft.com Fri Dec 14 10:51:49 2001 From: legal at microsoft.com (Microsoft Legal) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent References: <14BC2875.7F9034F2.BBB7EE28@cs.com> Message-ID: <3C1A2088.5657FE4E@microsoft.com> Rest assured, we have recieved these e-mails and forwarded them on to the appropriate authorities as terrorist threats. The black van should be pulling up in front of your house shortly. Sincerely, Microsoft Legal Team nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > > ive often fantasized about that too. and sniping gates would be neat to. > > i wonder what m$ would do if they ever got these emails > ScanMan wrote: > > >I feel the same way. It's gotten to the point where I fantasize about > >sniping Steve "The Monkey" Ballmer. Fortunately I don't live in Redmond. > > :) > > > >On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 14:47, nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > >> I am hateing microsoft more and more every day. If i had to choose between the two, i would NOT chose winxp embedded. > >> > >> ah well....microsft just keeps finding ways to pee me off all the time. > >> Paul Harris wrote: > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list j/k :) -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From foeclan at visi.com Fri Dec 14 11:37:54 2001 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: <01121410443701.00469@bleys> Message-ID: In Slackware, you'd want to install gtkplus.tgz to get gtk.h. It can be downloaded from: ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slakware/gtk1/gtkplus.tgz If you check www.slackware.com, there's a 'packages' link on the left side. It'll bring you to a dropdown, where you can select a group. There's one called 'GTK - GTK+ and GNOME programs for X', and you can find other GTK and Gnome packages in there. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Shawn wrote: > On Friday 14 December 2001 07:17, tim lupfer wrote: > > > > Okay, another question in regards to gtk.h..... what is the minimal > > > amount of Gnome I need to install to get that? Running Slackware laptop > > > that I'd like to open up some space on again. I run fvwm, and nothing of > > > gnome really that I know of. > > > > gtk does not depend on gnome, rather gnome depends on gtk. > > > Okay, that explains a little. Which package do I need to install to get > gtk.h is what I'm after. > > > Thanks. > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 11:44:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D227@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D227@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01121412035900.00215@bleys> On Friday 14 December 2001 09:40, Austad, Jay wrote: > I had symptoms like this about 2 years ago. It got so bad that I would > just go home for the rest of the day around noon or so. It felt like > someone had smashed both of my wrists with a big hammer. > > I bought a Microsoft Ergo keyboard, and a trackball (I'm now using the MS > Trackball Optical, thumb operated). I haven't had problems since. As soon > as I get on a regular keyboard, or use a regular mouse for any period of > time, the pain starts to come back. Keyboards and trackballs are one thing > that MS got right. > > Jay I use standard equipment (keyboard, mouse, etc). The only thing that I've bought for more comfort while typing, is a gelpad for the keyboard. If I'm on for long lengths of time, I get soreness in the wrists but it goes away when I get up and walk around for a bit. Try getting involved in some other activities as well that don't involve typing or such. Not to sound "preachy" but, try to get active in sports or something to allow you to use your hands more often than letting them sit on a keyboard all the time. Personally, I liftweights as well as am involved in Tae Kwon Do. Since having been more involved with these, I don't experience so much wrist hand issues anymore. I'll try and find some posts in regards to this from another mailing list I'm on. Shawn From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Dec 14 11:52:16 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent In-Reply-To: <3C1A2088.5657FE4E@microsoft.com> References: <14BC2875.7F9034F2.BBB7EE28@cs.com> <3C1A2088.5657FE4E@microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20011214170845.GA22343@lemongecko.org> This is a hoax: > Received: from microsoft.com ([172.17.67.73]) > by phlox.sctc.com (8.9.3+Sun/) with ESMTP id JAA12966 Wrong IP for Microsoft. > Received: from oak.share.rsvl.securecomputing.com > (oak.share.rsvl.securecomputing.com [192.168.10.4]) Wrong IP for...anybody. > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) The Microsoft legal team using Mozilla. Tell me another one. However, if you do see a black Suburban, you *should* run, as it probably contains an obnoxious cell-phone-yakking suburbanite. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011214/998b16d6/attachment.pgp From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Dec 14 11:53:05 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent In-Reply-To: <14BC2875.7F9034F2.BBB7EE28@cs.com> Message-ID: <20011214105816.L84341-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> M$ would cry their 'little-girl' eyes out if they read this. ~Shane On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > ive often fantasized about that too. and sniping gates would be neat to. > > i wonder what m$ would do if they ever got these emails > ScanMan wrote: > > >I feel the same way. It's gotten to the point where I fantasize about > >sniping Steve "The Monkey" Ballmer. Fortunately I don't live in Redmond. > > :) > > > >On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 14:47, nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > >> I am hateing microsoft more and more every day. If i had to choose between the two, i would NOT chose winxp embedded. > >> > >> ah well....microsft just keeps finding ways to pee me off all the time. > >> Paul Harris wrote: > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Dec 14 11:53:54 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011213125222.A14650@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <20011213125222.A14650@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011214171055.GB22343@lemongecko.org> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:52PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > stable => Bush > frozen => Gore > unstable => Nader woody => Clinton (I am so sorry, I could not resist...) Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 14 12:17:21 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011214091135.1f45e56d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <1008304440.1748.61.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011214091135.1f45e56d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011214162815.GB21056@wookimus.net> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:11:35AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > Um, yeah.. testing, aka Woody, is the sorta-stable branch. That's > what the next release of Debian will be based on. It still has plenty > of bugs in it, but you generally don't have to worry about login > suddenly not working anymore (well, it hasn't happened to me, anyway). TIP: When you're upgrading ANY distribution and you see the word "libpam" run across your screen, make sure you have at least one window with a root shell (and not one from sudo -- since sudo isn't "really" root). -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011214/13ec4c72/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Fri Dec 14 12:31:59 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating postscript banners Message-ID: <20011214113434.H24823@real-time.com> I'm trying to create a postscript file to use as a banner page under CUPS. I tried creating a document in StarOffice and printing to file. CUPS doesn't like the postscript file though. I noticed that when I do a file on the banner I created (banner.ps), it comes back as: [atanner@pelican tmp]$ file banner.ps banner.ps: PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0 which is identical to the banner supplied by CUPS. [root@sandar banners]# file standard standard: PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0 However, one difference I noticed within the files, is that the CUPS-supplied banners say: %%LanguageLevel: 1 whereas the file I created in StarOffice says: %%LanguageLevel: 2 I'm thinking this may be the problem. However, I don't know what app to use to create a postscript language level 1 file. Anyone have any experience with this? I've done a lot of google searching and came up with nothing. The CUPS docs do not tell you how to create new banners, merely where to put them so you can use them. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From blayer at qwest.net Fri Dec 14 12:43:40 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: war-related news blackout? In-Reply-To: <20011213112404.S16271@ringworld.org> References: <20011213094925.59be13fe.blayer@qwest.net> <20011213112404.S16271@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011214110020.509d5bd3.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:24:04 -0600 "Scott Dier" wrote: > * Bill Layer [011213 10:53]: > > Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else > > heard of this story? > > Naa, likely lots of retractions based on this: > > http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/293127 Oh right... We all thought it was an outbreak of Hemmorhagic fever, but it turned out to be just another government weather baloon ;) I don't believe a single word of it. The article you posted is over two months old... the story as I read it was evolving as recently as several days ago. This was not 'old news'. Also, did you listen to Art Bell's comments last night? He went on at some length about the fact that the story was pulled from the sources that he had quoted. In this war, we are witnessing the most egregious erosion of our personal liberties in the history of this country. Secret Presidential Military Tribunals? Loss of attourney-client privilege? Roaming wiretaps? Secret witnesses? Sealed evidences? Carnivore? Magic Lantern? And hey, indefinite detentions are old news... Times are changing in America, and it stinks to high heaven. Just my one rant, -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 14 12:46:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Staroffice for IMAP mail? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D22C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Or "expunge". > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:20 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Staroffice for IMAP mail? > > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 05:28:09PM -0600, Jon Schewe > (jpschewe@mtu.net) wrote: > > I started playing around using Staroffice 5.2 for a mail client to > > connect to my IMAP server. Everything's going ok then I realize it > > can't delete messages from the server. You can say delete and they > > disappear from view, but they're still on the server. > Anyone know a > > way around this or is Staroffice just broken? > > Usually with IMAP clients, when you tell them to delete, they > mark them for deletion but they aren't actually deleted until > you do a purge command, so I'd like for something called purge. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 14 12:57:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D22D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > On Friday 14 December 2001 09:40, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I had symptoms like this about 2 years ago. It got so bad that I > > would just go home for the rest of the day around noon or > so. It felt > > like someone had smashed both of my wrists with a big hammer. > > > > I bought a Microsoft Ergo keyboard, and a trackball (I'm > now using the > > MS Trackball Optical, thumb operated). I haven't had > problems since. > > As soon as I get on a regular keyboard, or use a regular > mouse for any > > period of time, the pain starts to come back. Keyboards and > > trackballs are one thing that MS got right. > > > > Jay > > > I use standard equipment (keyboard, mouse, etc). The only > thing that I've > bought for more comfort while typing, is a gelpad for the > keyboard. If I'm > on for long lengths of time, I get soreness in the wrists but > it goes away > when I get up and walk around for a bit. > > Try getting involved in some other activities as well that > don't involve > typing or such. Not to sound "preachy" but, try to get > active in sports or > something to allow you to use your hands more often than > letting them sit on > a keyboard all the time. Personally, I liftweights as well > as am involved in > Tae Kwon Do. Since having been more involved with these, I > don't experience > so much wrist hand issues anymore. I've lifted almost everyday for the past 4 years or so. I do plenty of other activities, but I also do a ton of typing. I noticed that my wrists would be sore at the gym also, but when I got the new keyboard, the soreness while lifting went away. The other activities may help, but they certainly don't prevent this kind of problem. If you have your wrists bent at a slight angle all day long while moving your fingers, it's pretty much certain to eventually affect you, regardless of other ways you use to exercise your wrists. From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 12:59:03 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121413121001.00215@bleys> On Friday 14 December 2001 10:56, Michael Vieths wrote: > In Slackware, you'd want to install gtkplus.tgz to get gtk.h. It can be > downloaded from: > > ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slakware/gtk1/gtkplus.tgz > > If you check www.slackware.com, there's a 'packages' link on the left > side. It'll bring you to a dropdown, where you can select a > group. There's one called 'GTK - GTK+ and GNOME programs for X', and you > can find other GTK and Gnome packages in there. Yep, knew this. However, the problem that I run into is that I don't know what packages contain what. Try to click on the description information, and I get "File not found" in Opera. And "Netscape is unable to find the file or directory named /pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/gtk1/diskgtk1." in Netscape. This is for Slackware current. Now, the kicker.... Try to find something for Slackware 8.0 on the i386 port. Go ahead, try it. It comes back with: Sorry; version 8.0 of Slackware Linux does not exist for the Intel architecture. Please return to Package Browser to verify your selection. Hmm, doesn't exist? Then what the F*** am I running on all my Intel machines with Slackware Linux on them?? It sure as hell isn't 7.1. Yes, I know 8.0 is the current release. But I've always taken "current" as being the next release they are working on. I like Slack, better than any other distros I've tried: Mandrake, SuSe, RH. I don't know a whole lot, but I prefer it over the others. However, it's really starting to tick me off that I'm running into these issues with Slack. Yes, I know they've run into problems lately... Slack used to have a "forum" site, but it appears that they've removed it. The more I look at Debian, the more I'm beginning to really want to load it. Shawn From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 14 13:00:11 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent In-Reply-To: <1008305167.1748.71.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <2C3BD978.1344D202.BBB7EE28@cs.com> <1008305167.1748.71.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011214121259.A12143@fireopal.org> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 10:46:07PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > I feel the same way. It's gotten to the point where I fantasize about > sniping Steve "The Monkey" Ballmer. Fortunately I don't live in Redmond. Check out http://home.attbi.com/~spking/TeletubbyXP.jpg and http://home.attbi.com/~spking/TeletubbyXP-bg.jpg. I'm told that pointers have appeared on /., and that they're already working their way around MS. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Dec 14 13:01:10 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent References: <14BC2875.7F9034F2.BBB7EE28@cs.com> <3C1A2088.5657FE4E@microsoft.com> <20011214170845.GA22343@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <3C1A42F9.35F9AA3A@securecomputing.com> It was never meant to be a hoax! I changed my Netscape mail identity info to give it extra zest, but if you looked at the bottom of the message (after the original message I was replying to) you would have seen the j/k and my normal sig. I don't think it was worded particularly convincingly either. Sorry if anyone's panties actually bunched. Dan Drake wrote: > > This is a hoax: > > > Received: from microsoft.com ([172.17.67.73]) > > by phlox.sctc.com (8.9.3+Sun/) with ESMTP id JAA12966 > > Wrong IP for Microsoft. > > > Received: from oak.share.rsvl.securecomputing.com > > (oak.share.rsvl.securecomputing.com [192.168.10.4]) > > Wrong IP for...anybody. > > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) > > The Microsoft legal team using Mozilla. Tell me another one. > > However, if you do see a black Suburban, you *should* run, as it > probably contains an obnoxious cell-phone-yakking suburbanite. > > Dan > > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) > | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > | public key: email > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From mwagner at mysql.com Fri Dec 14 13:43:04 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15386.17994.162369.628960@cash.mwagner.org> Timothy Wilson writes: > Hi everyone, > > Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and > tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) Tim, I started to get this a while back also. My wife -- who is an architect and spends a lot of time in front of the computer with Autocad -- gave me a set of her strap-on wrist guards. They have worked perfectly. I was a bit hesitant to wear them at first, because I didn't want to be the stereotype that I was holding of some whinny secretary who needed an ACE bandage around her joints just to play Solitare all day. :) But I gave them a try.. and they work magic. I don't have any problems as long as I wear them -- if I go without them, the pain comes back. It was a bit strange to type with them at first.. but I got used to it. It's no problem now. Before trying them, I tried the premium 3M gel pad thingies for keyboard/mouse.. but those still didn't work in the long run (for me). My wife said that you can get these for free from your doctor. I'm still using her extra pair, so I haven't looked into this specifically. Perhaps OfficeMax or something would have them also. Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 14 13:49:07 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 In-Reply-To: <1008302656.1748.38.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > Does this work? append="cs4232=0x530,5,1,0,0x330,5,0" > > Well if I don't have that in the lilo.conf, there is no sound at all. *shrug* So I take it no one here has any suggestions as to how to get this workin' better? :) Jacque From foeclan at visi.com Fri Dec 14 14:21:00 2001 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: <01121413121001.00215@bleys> Message-ID: All that was previously asked was 'where do I find gtk.h'. I went into /var/log/packages and grepped for it, and found the package it was in. Yeah, their site is broken. Then email them and say 'Selecting version 8.0 and i386 doesn't work' and describe the error. If you want the one from slackware-8.0, replace 'slackware-current' with 'slackware-8.0' in the directories given there. I just checked, and it works. Dunno what's up with the slackware-current directory. It's pretty empty, and doesn't contain a full distribution. All I could recommend is getting the file out of slackware-8.0. I've noticed the decline in quality, too... when I first installed Slackware 8, I had to hack one of the setup files to get it to mount reiserfs properly during the package installation phase. Seems to be fixed now, but it was kind of odd to run into. It'd be nice to know what's going on, but the only news they ever post is about packages and such. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Shawn wrote: > On Friday 14 December 2001 10:56, Michael Vieths wrote: > > In Slackware, you'd want to install gtkplus.tgz to get gtk.h. It can be > > downloaded from: > > > > ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slakware/gtk1/gtkplus.tgz > > > > If you check www.slackware.com, there's a 'packages' link on the left > > side. It'll bring you to a dropdown, where you can select a > > group. There's one called 'GTK - GTK+ and GNOME programs for X', and you > > can find other GTK and Gnome packages in there. > > > Yep, knew this. However, the problem that I run into is that I don't know > what packages contain what. Try to click on the description information, and > I get "File not found" in Opera. And "Netscape is unable to find the file or > directory named /pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/gtk1/diskgtk1." in > Netscape. This is for Slackware current. > > Now, the kicker.... Try to find something for Slackware 8.0 on the i386 > port. Go ahead, try it. It comes back with: Sorry; version 8.0 of > Slackware Linux does not exist for the Intel architecture. Please return to > Package Browser to verify your selection. Hmm, doesn't exist? Then what > the F*** am I running on all my Intel machines with Slackware Linux on them?? > It sure as hell isn't 7.1. Yes, I know 8.0 is the current release. But > I've always taken "current" as being the next release they are working on. > > I like Slack, better than any other distros I've tried: Mandrake, SuSe, RH. > I don't know a whole lot, but I prefer it over the others. However, it's > really starting to tick me off that I'm running into these issues with Slack. > Yes, I know they've run into problems lately... Slack used to have a > "forum" site, but it appears that they've removed it. > > The more I look at Debian, the more I'm beginning to really want to load it. > > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 14:36:30 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D22D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D22D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01121414130702.00215@bleys> On Friday 14 December 2001 12:05, Austad, Jay wrote: > I've lifted almost everyday for the past 4 years or so. I do plenty of > other activities, but I also do a ton of typing. I noticed that my wrists > would be sore at the gym also, but when I got the new keyboard, the > soreness while lifting went away. The other activities may help, but they > certainly don't prevent this kind of problem. If you have your wrists bent > at a slight angle all day long while moving your fingers, it's pretty much > certain to eventually affect you, regardless of other ways you use to > exercise your wrists. It's quite possible that some people are more prone to this than others. I was giving my personal experience as well as the accounts of some others that I know as well. As to the "natural" keyboards, I can't get used to them at all. Shawn From eng at pinenet.com Fri Dec 14 15:13:22 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux controller software on SuSE pro Message-ID: <01C184A5.3B6AA680.eng@pinenet.com> Finally getting into Linux again, on a new box with 256meg RAM and a UDMA HDD (big improvement) and going through SuSE 7.0 Professional packages. There are about 50 different packages that pertain to scientific instrumentation and data analysis. Many, many more are very useful for data presentation, including an IBM "open visualization" package (dx). Even more packages for programming; visual TCL looks perfect, but Delphi compatible Pascal looks perfect, too. The package "SampLin" seems to be a very serious starting point with serial port and GPIB interfaces designed for chemical instrumentation control. The package "simple direct media layer" looks powerful for different interfaces. I suppose I'll have to dig for diamonds here. It would be more fun if I were more competent, but learning something is OK, too. Does anybody have any experience with this Linux use?? I never had the problem of too much to pick from with Windoze. From clay at fandre.com Fri Dec 14 15:22:11 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating postscript banners In-Reply-To: <20011214113434.H24823@real-time.com> References: <20011214113434.H24823@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011214134908.A13103@fandre.com> Can you just change the LanguageLevel? How about using convert to change it? $ convert file.ps file.eps I hacked around with postscript a few years ago. It's actually a really powerful programming language that can do much more than just displaying graphics. Here are some links that may help: http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/PSgeneral.html Send me your postscript file. I'd like to try converting it. -- Clay On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm trying to create a postscript file to use as a banner page under CUPS. > I tried creating a document in StarOffice and printing to file. > CUPS doesn't like the postscript file though. I noticed that when I > do a file on the banner I created (banner.ps), it comes back as: > > [atanner@pelican tmp]$ file banner.ps > banner.ps: PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0 > > which is identical to the banner supplied by CUPS. > > [root@sandar banners]# file standard > standard: PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0 > > However, one difference I noticed within the files, is that the CUPS-supplied > banners say: > > %%LanguageLevel: 1 > > whereas the file I created in StarOffice says: > > %%LanguageLevel: 2 > > I'm thinking this may be the problem. However, I don't know what app to > use to create a postscript language level 1 file. > > Anyone have any experience with this? I've done a lot of google searching > and came up with nothing. The CUPS docs do not tell you how to create > new banners, merely where to put them so you can use them. > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 14 15:56:30 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh my bad..I didn't notice the last 0 on the end of that. But that change didn't make any difference. I should probably clairify whats happening with the mp3s, they won't play..they just skip. I can seek around in the file in xmms, but they just skip in place. Also the sb driver was the one I tried first and that didn't work either. ~j From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 15:57:55 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 References: Message-ID: <3C1A6590.3090806@mninter.net> Jacque, Try putting 2nd DMA settings between 5-7. When the SB16's came out, they used two DMA settings, one for 8 bit and the other for 16 bit transfer. The original AT hardware did 8-bit DMA on DMA0-3, DMA4 was reserved, and DMA5-7 were for 16bit transfers. So try this: cs4232=0x530,5,1,5,0x330,5,0 Karl. Jacqueline Urick wrote: >>Does this work? append="cs4232=0x530,5,1,0,0x330,5,0" >> >> >> > > Well if I don't have that in the lilo.conf, there is no sound at all. > *shrug* > > > So I take it no one here has any suggestions as to how to get this workin' > better? :) > > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Dec 14 16:00:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <01121414130702.00215@bleys> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D22D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <01121414130702.00215@bleys> Message-ID: <20011214145049.E4695@ringworld.org> * Shawn [011214 14:40]: > It's quite possible that some people are more prone to this than others. I > was giving my personal experience as well as the accounts of some others that I've got a pretty wide frame, my sholders->arms->hands etc are in better alignment for the natural keyboards than most people. Normal keyboards are a pain in the ass. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From amy at real-time.com Fri Dec 14 16:29:15 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating postscript banners In-Reply-To: <20011214134908.A13103@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 01:49:08PM -0600 References: <20011214113434.H24823@real-time.com> <20011214134908.A13103@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011214154236.Q24823@real-time.com> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 01:49:08PM -0600, Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com) wrote: > Can you just change the LanguageLevel? How about using convert to change it? > $ convert file.ps file.eps > > I hacked around with postscript a few years ago. It's actually a really powerful programming language that can do much more than just displaying graphics. Here are some links that may help: > http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/PSgeneral.html > > Send me your postscript file. I'd like to try converting it. I found a way to do postscript level 1, by changing the printer settings to postscript level 1 before I print. Unfortunately that did not solve my problem. I'm working with the CUPS author now. I'm able to get a text banner to work (that I created) but not postscript. All the postscript banners I create, CUPS just ignores and prints just the document with no banner. Note: I can print each of the postscript files as the actual document though. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 14 16:31:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm wierdness In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 09:57:39PM -0600 References: <20011130120853.Z18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011214154504.A18345@real-time.com> > on the same topic, i always thought that kill -9 would end a process > imediately and uncleanly if needed, it there a command that will kill no > mater what, as in a "stop this stupid process, take away all resources > from it, forget it ever existed and if it gives you any shit ignore it" > command > > -munir no. there is not yet any 'kill it no matter what' command. kill -9 is pretty strong; but it can't kill *everything*. especially things that are waiting on I/O, are difficult to kill. I've managed to hang processes that were acessing CD-ROMs or tape drives, such that a reboot was needed to restore the operation of the device. tape drives are particularly bad, in my experience; I think it's because I/O is so slow on them. so *don't* kill a process (tar, dump, etc) that's acessing a tape device, unless you're willing to deal with it hanging and forcing a reboot to make it work again. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 14 16:45:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1008257944.6488.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:39:04AM -0600 References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> <20011130130038.Z30126@ringworld.org> <1008257944.6488.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011214160024.B18345@real-time.com> > > However, I dont agree with the microsoft remark. Anyone could have > > gotten in their position and filled their shoes if they were lucky > > enough and willing to rape and pillage everything in their path for a > > few years. > > agreed. But they've done a great deal to get computers as main-stream as > they are, and as latent result, cheaper. I disagree with that. in a more competetive marketplace, I think computer prices would have fallen even faster, and we'd have *far* better OSes on average. Linux might not have gotten anywhere quickly, tho. the sheer vileness of the Windows OS has spurred a lot of people to go to Linux. If MS sold everyone Xenix instead (as they were planning to, back in DOS 3.0 days); we'd have decent commercial desktop OSes, and there would be a lot less incentive to get away from MS. I'm often not entirely convinced that cheap computers are a good thing... we have a lot more people using them; but the average technical inclination of the users is declining exponentially, and the problem of marketing triumphing over technology is exacerbated, not to mention the increased legal attention brought to bear on the computing world (the DMCA, the attempts to regulate Internet content, etc). I'm not entirely convinced that personal computers have made most people's lives noticeably better. it's certainly made them able to do more work; but does that actually result in a better quality of life? I don't believe so. It may make things worse, by increasing the stress on people to do more with their lives. It's allowed corporations to scale larger and span farther; but has this done much more than make them able to swallow up smaller companies? (which is not always a bad thing, but often is). some of us, of course, wouldn't be nearly as well-off without computers. it's an outlet for geeks, and a way for us to socialize, away from a society that often would rather not have us. for us, computers do a world of good; but the computing world is no longer just 'our' playground. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From eng at pinenet.com Fri Dec 14 16:52:30 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: war-related news blackout? Message-ID: <01C184B9.6A04CC00.eng@pinenet.com> Your suspicions are very reasonable. And our government is exploiting the terrorist threat to set aside Constitutional restraint. But the statistics of thousands (millions?) of cold, starving refugees concentrated in tent camps and dead bodies everywhere is a formula for disease. If the U.N. (WHO) is looking into it, and Iran and Pakistan are involved, we'll hear about it. My concern is; are we helping or hurting the terrorists with this "war." This looks like Viet Nam to me, except far worse. We need an open dialog like you encourage. This is an extremely dangerous time. The Saudi regime is the terrorists real target. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Layer [SMTP:blayer@qwest.net] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:00 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: OT: war-related news blackout? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:24:04 -0600 "Scott Dier" wrote: > * Bill Layer [011213 10:53]: > > Is this an honest-to-god news blackout that I am witnessing? Anyone else > > heard of this story? > > Naa, likely lots of retractions based on this: > > http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/293127 Oh right... We all thought it was an outbreak of Hemmorhagic fever, but it turned out to be just another government weather baloon ;) I don't believe a single word of it. The article you posted is over two months old... the story as I read it was evolving as recently as several days ago. This was not 'old news'. Also, did you listen to Art Bell's comments last night? He went on at some length about the fact that the story was pulled from the sources that he had quoted. In this war, we are witnessing the most egregious erosion of our personal liberties in the history of this country. Secret Presidential Military Tribunals? Loss of attourney-client privilege? Roaming wiretaps? Secret witnesses? Sealed evidences? Carnivore? Magic Lantern? And hey, indefinite detentions are old news... Times are changing in America, and it stinks to high heaven. Just my one rant, -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 14 16:53:39 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 In-Reply-To: <3C1A6590.3090806@mninter.net> Message-ID: Thats not doing anything either. Same problem. Could there be another conflict going on with esound or something? I've been trying to find infomation on esound, but I don't understand it. I also found this: http://www.alsa-project.org/archive/alsa-user/msg00217.html But I have NO idea what this module stuff is all about. The other problem I've been encountering is that in searching for info on the soundcard, everyone seems to have a different way of getting to work. ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Karl Bongers > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: jacque@fruitioninc.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 > > > Jacque, > > Try putting 2nd DMA settings between 5-7. When the SB16's came out, > they used two DMA settings, one for 8 bit and the other for 16 > bit transfer. > The original AT hardware did 8-bit DMA on DMA0-3, DMA4 was reserved, > and DMA5-7 were for 16bit transfers. > > So try this: > cs4232=0x530,5,1,5,0x330,5,0 > > Karl. > > > Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > >>Does this work? append="cs4232=0x530,5,1,0,0x330,5,0" > >> > >> > >> > > > > Well if I don't have that in the lilo.conf, there is no sound at all. > > *shrug* > > > > > > So I take it no one here has any suggestions as to how to get > this workin' > > better? :) > > > > > > Jacque > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From fertch at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 16:57:09 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Few questions on programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121416150900.00205@bleys> On Friday 14 December 2001 13:23, Michael Vieths wrote: > All that was previously asked was 'where do I find gtk.h'. I went into > /var/log/packages and grepped for it, and found the package it was in. > Yeah, their site is broken. Then email them and say 'Selecting version 8.0 > and i386 doesn't work' and describe the error. If you want the one from > slackware-8.0, replace 'slackware-current' with 'slackware-8.0' in the > directories given there. I just checked, and it works. True. That is what I originally asked, though I suppose I should have also asked what package I needed to install it instead of taking all of Gnome as well. As I would like to not use the space for Gnome if possible. As to the site with the packages, that's what I've been doing for a while, as their site has been broken for some time. As to mailing them, I don't know if it will do much good. They seem to not really be responding much these days. It took a number of e-mails from me to finally get them to respond to why my order was taking so long. > I've noticed the decline in quality, too... when I first installed > Slackware 8, I had to hack one of the setup files to get it to mount > reiserfs properly during the package installation phase. Seems to be > fixed now, but it was kind of odd to run into. Exactly. I noticed the same thing on the installation as well. Luckily, I'm not running reisers so I didn't have to monkey with this. Either way, I think I'm going to give Debian a try and go from there. If I don't like it, I'll just go back to Slackware. Thanks, Shawn From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Dec 14 16:58:27 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] RSI symptoms Message-ID: And laptop folks cannot use them without sacrificing part of the benefit of having a laptop. It reminds me of a time I was talking to a user... Me: Just as you requested, we got you the lightest, most compact laptop possible so you can easily carry it to every facility you visit. Them: But I have RSS. I can't use that little keyboard, it sucks! Me: Oh, then strap this ergo-keyboard to your back lengthwise and if anyone asks, tell them your name is "Megatron". ...or no, wait! That was just what I felt like saying. I actually was my normal, diplomatic self. ;-) >>> fertch@mninter.net 12/14/01 02:13PM >>> As to the "natural" keyboards, I can't get used to them at all. From phil at rephil.org Fri Dec 14 17:18:04 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011214171055.GB22343@lemongecko.org>; from Dan Drake on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:10:55AM -0600 References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <20011213125222.A14650@trammell.dyndns.org> <20011214171055.GB22343@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011214161824.A5537@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:10:55AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:52PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > stable => Bush > > frozen => Gore > > unstable => Nader > > woody => Clinton > > (I am so sorry, I could not resist...) I am so sorry he could not resist. -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From phil at rephil.org Fri Dec 14 17:24:56 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <15386.17994.162369.628960@cash.mwagner.org>; from Matt Wagner on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 12:34:50PM -0600 References: <15386.17994.162369.628960@cash.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <20011214163038.B5537@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 12:34:50PM -0600, Matt Wagner wrote: > Timothy Wilson writes: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and > > tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches > > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) > > Tim, > > I started to get this a while back also. > > My wife -- who is an architect and spends a lot of time in front of > the computer with Autocad -- gave me a set of her strap-on wrist > guards. They have worked perfectly. Here's a curmudgeonly point of view, not inconsistent with your report. RSI / Carpal Tunnel / whatever, is just the name given to a symptom that is a result of the development of a population of undisciplined/unskilled typists large enough to need to name their symptoms. No, I'm not picking on anyone or calling anyone unskilled. But, the fact remains that I had a great-aunt who was a member of a typing pool for decades, back around the middle of the last century. She typed something around 120 w.p.m., as did anyone else who worked there, and they did it for eight hours a day, every day. For years. Not one of them ever had to quit or even complained of these symptoms. And there were many thousands of professional typists employed all through not just our country, but the world, and it took the invention of the computer to bring to the forefront of the public consciousness the malady known as RSI or Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. The difference is that the trained professionals were all told one important thing when learning to type: "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my hands on the keyboard -- and I use a laptop a lot -- I lift my wrists up and continue, and they get better. And that's the same thing your wife's wrist things force to happen. So, whatever works for you. :) Next time: "Health Food Makes Me Sick." -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Dec 14 17:36:21 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Card problems on Inspiron 3200 References: Message-ID: <3C1A800B.6040105@mninter.net> Jacque, That last suggestion about the 2nd DMA channel was no good. Looking at the driver, it looks like the 2nd channel is optional and is used for recording if present. And the driver only works with DMA channels 0,1,2,3. You might want to try a different IRQ, sometimes the IRQ's are shared and can be trouble(try maybe 9 or 11). The cs4232 driver seems to be built ontop of the ad1848.c driver, which is the audio codec part. It looks like this can be loaded as a standalone driver: ad1848=io,irq,dma,dma2,type The last parameter is an oddball selection for "card type", ranging from around 0-7. You might try loading the ad1848 driver and see if that does anything. Karl. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 14 17:51:43 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: References: <1008302218.10935.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011214093413.00f806e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On 13 Dec 2001, ScanMan wrote: > > > What is RSI? Do you mean Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? > > RSI is "Repetitive Stress Injury." My understanding is that CTS is a > specific type of RSI. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff packed into your wrist, and a lot of it passes through the carpal tunnel. Carpal Tunnel happens when the bits of cartilage in tendons and the `wrapper' material (the Carpal Tunnel itself) protecting all that stuff gets inflamed due to lack of lubrication. There are apparently three main nerves in the wrist -- one on the thumb side, one on the pinky side, and one right down the middle. The big problem is that the inflammation can compress the median nerve, causing pain and tingling sensations. Anyway, I'd suggest doing lots of reading, and you'd probably benefit from staying away from the keyboard over the holidays.. Of course, that might have little or nothing to do with it -- I understand the Mayo Clinic determined that there is not a causal relationship between keyboarding and CTS. CTS does exist, but I guess their analysis is that it just happens -- keyboarders apparently get it at the same frequency as other people. BTW, I don't have Carpal Tunnel or anything -- I've just seen lots of folks get it and have read about their experiences, plus I recently learned more about it in a class.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you choke a smurf, what / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ color does it turn? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, I raise my monitor ~8in off my desk with a SparcStation IPX :) (21in monitor) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From mwagner at mysql.com Fri Dec 14 20:04:46 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <20011214163038.B5537@rephil.org> References: <15386.17994.162369.628960@cash.mwagner.org> <20011214163038.B5537@rephil.org> Message-ID: <15386.38339.30948.535786@cash.mwagner.org> Phil Mendelsohn writes: > > > > The difference is that the trained professionals were all told one > important thing when learning to type: > > "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." > > Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my > hands on the keyboard -- and I use a laptop a lot -- I lift my wrists > up and continue, and they get better. And that's the same thing your > wife's wrist things force to happen. So, whatever works for you. :) Phil, Yeah, thats probably right. I can definitely remember the school teachers teaching us to keep our wrists up in 3rd grade when we were learning how to type on Apple IIe's. :) It just takes *so* much effort. :-\ Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Fri Dec 14 20:22:34 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms References: <1008302218.10935.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <003201c184a0$1c52b260$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3C1A89BF.8070805@baldwin-telecom.net> You may also want to look at http://www.goldtouch.com/. I have no interest but am a satisfied customer. Mark Browne wrote: > RSI=repetitive stress injury. > AKA Carpal Tunnel Syndrome > > And yes, this sounds like the classic symptoms. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ScanMan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:56 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms > > > What is RSI? Do you mean Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? > > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 20:21, Timothy Wilson wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >> >>Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness >> > and > >>tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches >>very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 >>clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) >> >>-Tim >> >>-- >>Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >>Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com >>W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org >>wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> > Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 14 20:26:15 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm wierdness In-Reply-To: <20011214154504.A18345@real-time.com> References: <20011130120853.Z18760@real-time.com> <20011214154504.A18345@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011214172822.32aadc1a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > tape drives are particularly bad, in my experience; I think it's because I/O > is so slow on them. so *don't* kill a process (tar, dump, etc) that's > acessing a tape device, unless you're willing to deal with it hanging and > forcing a reboot to make it work again. Heh.. Tape drives seem to carry a lineage that makes them some of the most autonomous devices that get connected to computers. I'm pretty sure that when you tell a tape drive to erase a tape, just one (or perhaps a few) SCSI commands get sent to the drive. The drive erases the tape, but doesn't respond to anything until the tape is done erasing (or until it finds a bad segment of tape and spits out an I/O error). It's like the polar opposite of the software modems we see these days.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How many of you believe in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ telekinesis? Raise my hand! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think Dan's problem had anything to do with debconf, but rather with the woody/sid X servers which don't seem to care if you have a working XF896Config or not, but instead want to ask you some questions (which do, admittedly, end up in debconf's database, but that doesn't make it a debconf issue), then blow away the old config and replace it with a newly-generated one. Potentially good for new installs, but potentially bad for upgrades to systems which already have X up and running. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 14 20:35:28 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011214171055.GB22343@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:10:55AM -0600 References: <20011213174621.29551.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <20011213125222.A14650@trammell.dyndns.org> <20011214171055.GB22343@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011214190753.B6797@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:10:55AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:52PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > stable => Bush > > frozen => Gore > > unstable => Nader > > woody => Clinton potato => Quayle -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 14 21:09:19 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vent In-Reply-To: <20011214170845.GA22343@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:08:45AM -0600 References: <14BC2875.7F9034F2.BBB7EE28@cs.com> <3C1A2088.5657FE4E@microsoft.com> <20011214170845.GA22343@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011214200941.D6797@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:08:45AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > This is a hoax: Uh, you forgot the bigges telltale of all... >> -- >> >> Jesse Erdmann >> Engineer >> Secure Computing Corp. Doesn't look like an MS attack shark's .sig to me. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From hb1551 at ezlink.com.tw Fri Dec 14 21:20:45 2001 From: hb1551 at ezlink.com.tw (º~«O) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TOP Smart/Sim Card (IC CARD) Conector Manufacturer Message-ID: <200112150238.fBF2ciT22385@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011214/0112291c/attachment.htm From jwanderson at uswest.net Fri Dec 14 22:10:18 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating postscript banners In-Reply-To: <20011214134908.A13103@fandre.com> References: <20011214113434.H24823@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200112150323.fBF3NWT22877@sprite.real-time.com> Same here (hacked it some in another life). I have the Postscript Language Reference sitting here on a shelf if you need it. Jay On 14 Dec 01, at 13:49, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I hacked around with postscript a few years ago. It's actually a really powerful programming language that can do much more than just displaying graphics. Here are some links that may help: > http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/PSgeneral.html > From jwanderson at uswest.net Fri Dec 14 22:11:12 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <3C19FC7F.EEC0803@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <200112150342.fBF3geT23056@sprite.real-time.com> This is exactly what I'm dealing with currently, and my first thought when I read Tim's post. I thing what Phil said: ... "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my hands on the keyboard -... has a lot to do with this as well. What bothers me the most is not the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working in AutoCAD all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm straining to reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of the upper back and neck. Jay On 14 Dec 01, at 7:19, Robert Sinland wrote: > My bet is that if you saw a chiropracter you would find that > you had some knots in your muscles right around the shoulder > blades on your back. When these occur they pinch the nerves > that are connected to the fingers, and among other things cause numbness. From john at mn.mediaone.net Fri Dec 14 22:12:00 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus Message-ID: This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. there is a couple of files that he would like off of it before I reinstall his OS back on there. Any ideas TIA John Miller From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Fri Dec 14 23:17:25 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011214160024.B18345@real-time.com> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1008257944.6488.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20011214160024.B18345@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01121422045200.01870@edith> Sorry, I'm Way Off Topic, but, Wild thought about evolution in the computer market: How many companies made computers when you were a kid that were vastly different and forced the "other guys" to play catch up... (Apple, Atari, Sinclair (Amstrad et all..), Timex (really? a watch maker made computers?), Acorn, Coleco, Commodore (Pet-Amiga), Franklin (and who could forget the other knock off Apple wannabes: Pear and Bananna!), Kaypro, Laser, Osborne, Tandy (Pocket computer to the Trash-80), TI...) How many now? So good of IBM/Microsoft to come in and help push technology along by giving us a machine without a floppy, less memory than even the lowest end game oriented machine (for far more money than the $50-$500 machines of the time). The IBM PC was a pile of dung compared to many of the machines the proceeded it. No sound chip (before sound cards), and no using the timer chip to make noise was not as good as even the worst 2 voice sound chip on even the cheapest machine. No decent graphics till the VGA (even then some machines had much better graphics). Yes one could argue that they legitimized the PC for business use, but don't you think some companies had been using other machines for business purposes just fine by that point? I think that the market was doing just fine (fragmented and incompatible as all get out), but when you could get a new machine for the price of what you pay for a decent video card now who cares. O.K. I am done ranting (30 something remember the good old days). Kelly Black 73's KB0GBJ On Friday 14 December 2001 16:00, you wrote: > > > However, I dont agree with the microsoft remark. Anyone could have > > > gotten in their position and filled their shoes if they were lucky > > > enough and willing to rape and pillage everything in their path for a > > > few years. > > > > agreed. But they've done a great deal to get computers as main-stream as > > they are, and as latent result, cheaper. > > I disagree with that. in a more competetive marketplace, I think computer > prices would have fallen even faster, and we'd have *far* better OSes on > average. > > Linux might not have gotten anywhere quickly, tho. the sheer vileness of > the Windows OS has spurred a lot of people to go to Linux. If MS sold > everyone Xenix instead (as they were planning to, back in DOS 3.0 days); > we'd have decent commercial desktop OSes, and there would be a lot less > incentive to get away from MS. > > I'm often not entirely convinced that cheap computers are a good thing... > we have a lot more people using them; but the average technical inclination > of the users is declining exponentially, and the problem of marketing > triumphing over technology is exacerbated, not to mention the increased > legal attention brought to bear on the computing world (the DMCA, the > attempts to regulate Internet content, etc). > > I'm not entirely convinced that personal computers have made most people's > lives noticeably better. it's certainly made them able to do more work; but > does that actually result in a better quality of life? I don't believe so. > It may make things worse, by increasing the stress on people to do more > with their lives. It's allowed corporations to scale larger and span > farther; but has this done much more than make them able to swallow up > smaller companies? (which is not always a bad thing, but often is). > some of us, of course, wouldn't be nearly as well-off without > computers. it's an outlet for geeks, and a way for us to socialize, away > from a society that often would rather not have us. for us, computers do a > world of good; but the computing world is no longer just 'our' playground. > > Carl Soderstrom. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Dec 14 23:18:33 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i think you should probably use vfat instead, it is how mount knows fat32 partitions... -munir On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, johndmiller wrote: > This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out > there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 > machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have > linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the > HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount > did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. > > there is a couple of files that he would like off of it before I reinstall > his OS back on there. > > Any ideas > > TIA > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From jack at jacku.com Fri Dec 14 23:29:26 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121423095600.00847@geezer> On Friday 14 December 2001 21:49, johndmiller wrote: > This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out > there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 > machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have > linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the > HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount > did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. > > there is a couple of files that he would like off of it before I reinstall > his OS back on there. > > Any ideas > > TIA > John Miller Try mounting it as type vfat. If that doesn't work then its probably really, really hosed. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From rsinland at gvtel.com Sat Dec 15 01:00:10 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms References: <200112150342.fBF3geT23056@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C1ADEB6.8080402@gvtel.com> Jay W. Anderson wrote: > This is exactly what I'm dealing with currently, and my first thought > when I read Tim's post. > > I thing what Phil said: > > ... > "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." > > Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my > hands on the keyboard -... > > has a lot to do with this as well. What bothers me the most is not > the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working in AutoCAD > all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm straining to > reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of the upper > back and neck. > > Jay > Like I said, I bet if you go to a chiro, they will find one or more knots in your back and neck.. What they did for me was hook me up to what I called a "fencer" A dealybob that would shock the muscles with electric impulses and cause them to fatigue and relax. There is a more tech name for it, but at times it feels like hitting an electric fence, hence my nick name :) Inferencser (sp) comes to mind, something like that anyway... I just learned to live with it, though I had to give up playing guitar :) No loss to the world there :) And as far as the rest goes, mousing is prolly worse then keyboarding as far as agravating it. RS From florin at iucha.net Sat Dec 15 01:02:28 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus In-Reply-To: ; from john@mn.mediaone.net on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:49:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011214234056.B2250@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:49:15PM -0600, johndmiller wrote: > This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out > there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 > machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have > linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the > HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount > did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. > > there is a couple of files that he would like off of it before I reinstall > his OS back on there. 1. Connect a new harddrive, with bigger size than the existing one. 2. Boot with a linux floppy, I recommend toms' floppy at http://www.toms.net/rb/ 3. Make a backup by mounting a partition on the new harddrive in /mnt and then dd if=/dev/hd of=/mnt/backup bs=2M 4. Boot with DOS and ran Norton Disk Doctor. If that doesn't fix it, it is really hosed (probably both FAT zones are corrupted). 5. If not fixed, restore the hdd image and go to data recovery specialists. florin (*) You should use the entry for the harddrive itself, like /dev/hda, /dev/hdc instead of partition like /dev/hda1... -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011215/9618345b/attachment.pgp From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Sat Dec 15 01:14:56 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms References: <200112150342.fBF3geT23056@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C1AE529.5080803@baldwin-telecom.net> That is one thing that I like about my GoldTouch keyboard. The mouse can be kept closer to the middle. I have tried other keybaords to help with this (integrated pointers) put they didn't work as well as a mouse. Jay W. Anderson wrote: > This is exactly what I'm dealing with currently, and my first thought > when I read Tim's post. > > I thing what Phil said: > > ... > "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." > > Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my > hands on the keyboard -... > > has a lot to do with this as well. What bothers me the most is not > the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working in AutoCAD > all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm straining to > reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of the upper > back and neck. > > Jay > > On 14 Dec 01, at 7:19, Robert Sinland wrote: > > >>My bet is that if you saw a chiropracter you would find that >>you had some knots in your muscles right around the shoulder >>blades on your back. When these occur they pinch the nerves >>that are connected to the fingers, and among other things cause numbness. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From blayer at qwest.net Sat Dec 15 01:22:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <01121422045200.01870@edith> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1008257944.6488.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20011214160024.B18345@real-time.com> <01121422045200.01870@edith> Message-ID: <20011215004909.0dda5ca5.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:04:52 -0600 "Kelly Black" wrote: > Sorry, I'm Way Off Topic, but, > > Wild thought about evolution in the computer market: > How many companies made computers when you were a kid that > were vastly different and forced the "other guys" to play > catch up... Re: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version Subject creep epitomized.. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From blayer at qwest.net Sat Dec 15 01:24:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011215005612.4c866848.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:49:15 -0600 (CST) "johndmiller" wrote: > This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out > there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 > machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have > linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the > HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount > did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. Win32 drives should be mountable as MSDOS, but of course without LFN support etc etc. Did you try 'mount -t vfat /dev/hd? /mnt/hd? ? If it won't mount as a vfat drive, something has probably corrupted the FAT (file allocation table) or the filesystem itself. AFAIK, DOS/FAT16/FAT32 keep two copies of the FAT on the drive, but I am not sure how to order the Linux vfat filesystem driver to try the second FAT, rather than the first. Maybe that is in the manpage? :)) -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 15 02:31:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D230@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> My right shoulderblade has been getting a tingling feeling and numbness over the last couple of months, I wonder if this has something to do with it. It doesn't hurt, but it's very noticable, and very annoying. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sinland [mailto:rsinland@gvtel.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms > > > Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > > This is exactly what I'm dealing with currently, and my > first thought > > when I read Tim's post. > > > > I thing what Phil said: > > > > ... > > "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." > > > > Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my > > hands on the keyboard -... > > > > has a lot to do with this as well. What bothers me the most is not > > the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working > in AutoCAD > > all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm > straining to > > reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of > the upper > > back and neck. > > > > Jay > > > Like I said, I bet if you go to a chiro, they will find one > or more knots > > in your back and neck.. What they did for me was hook me up > to what I > called a "fencer" A dealybob that would shock the muscles > with electric > impulses and cause them to fatigue and relax. There is a > more tech name > for it, but at times it feels like hitting an electric fence, > hence my > nick name :) > Inferencser (sp) comes to mind, something like that anyway... > I just learned to live with it, though I had to give up > playing guitar :) > No loss to the world there :) > And as far as the rest goes, mousing is prolly worse then > keyboarding as > far as agravating it. > RS > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sat Dec 15 02:34:04 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yolinux...a resource heaven. Message-ID: <200112150734.fBF7Ygu27502@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Just wanted to share a nice resource for newbies like myself. It also contains info for the more knowledgable among us. See it at: www.yolinux.com Enjoy... From john at mn.mediaone.net Sat Dec 15 06:30:05 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you for all input. I have tried to mount it as vfat and get the same error. I will try the dd idea, if it works great, other wise he ends up with another 10 gig HD and that is ok too. John Miller On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > i think you should probably use vfat instead, it is how mount knows fat32 > partitions... > > -munir > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, johndmiller wrote: > > > This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out > > there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 > > machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have > > linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the > > HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount > > did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. > > > > there is a couple of files that he would like off of it before I reinstall > > his OS back on there. > > > > Any ideas > > > > TIA > > John Miller > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Sat Dec 15 07:14:06 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI? Message-ID: <20011215120637.19151.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hmm. I can see an obvious problem there - try putting the keyboard in front of you monitor, around belly-button height, and type with your fingers. That pain should clear right up. :) Cheers, Paul "I've got a pretty wide frame, my sholders->arms->hands etc are in better alignment for the natural keyboards than most people. Normal keyboards are a pain in the ass. -- Scott Dier" From doughanson at mediaone.net Sat Dec 15 07:35:27 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:33:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? References: <01113017190600.01082@Romana> Message-ID: <000b01c17a04$bae34940$0400a8c0@mshome.net> The Fest is next Saturday :), Wine tomorrow. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Stallings" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? > Are we still on for the Installfest tomorrow? Where precisely will it be? > --Ben (hastily downloading Yellow Dog 2.1) > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Dec 15 10:17:24 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <3C1ADEB6.8080402@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <200112151335.fBFDZ9T31005@sprite.real-time.com> On 14 Dec 01, at 23:25, Robert Sinland wrote: > Jay W. Anderson wrote: [,,,] > Like I said, I bet if you go to a chiro, Been there > they will find one or more knots in your back and neck.. Yup > What they did for me was hook me up to what I called a "fencer" Done that. > for it, but at times it feels like hitting an electric fence, hence my > nick name :) My thoughts exactly. > though I had to give up playing guitar :) > No loss to the world there :) You could probably take it up again and use the muscles of my back and neck :-/ > And as far as the rest goes, mousing is prolly worse then keyboarding as > far as agravating it. My point exactly. I was seconding Phil and your comments and just trying to point out other things to look at besides the style of keyboard and/or pointing device. enough for now... Jay From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Dec 15 10:25:13 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D230@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200112151339.fBFDdUT31113@sprite.real-time.com> On 15 Dec 01, at 1:23, Austad, Jay wrote: > > My right shoulderblade has been getting a tingling feeling and numbness over > the last couple of months, I wonder if this has something to do with it. It > doesn't hurt, but it's very noticable, and very annoying. I would get it looked at. You description of your symptoms very much match my own, Jay From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 15 10:44:15 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 root partition? Message-ID: <20011215091810.473327e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I added ext3 journals to my ext2 filesystems last night (finally upgraded to debian's 2.4.16 kernel), rebooted with an fstab reflecting the changes, and it almost worked. All of my filesystems except for / are mounted as ext3. The kernel detected the filesystem on my root partition as ext2. Is there an appropriate way to kick the kernel into mounting it as ext3? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you're not confused, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you're not paying \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) attention. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I first noticed it when I began using Win 3.1 and didn't know the keyboard shortcuts yet. It took me a while to narrow it down to the mouse, but once I changed the mouse to the left side, it got better in about a month. Now I use the mouse as little as possible -- never did like the rodents, anyway :) -- and haven't had a problem for about a year. HTH James From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Dec 15 11:19:05 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what is the exact error message? what is the command that you are using? which partition is it? in recent times i have not come across any virusses this distructive (it would seem like our precious customers AKA users, virus writers are getting less technical) -munir On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, johndmiller wrote: > Thank you for all input. I have tried to mount it as vfat and get the > same error. I will try the dd idea, if it works great, other wise he ends > up with another 10 gig HD and that is ok too. > > John Miller > From wilson at visi.com Sat Dec 15 11:22:32 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <200112150342.fBF3geT23056@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > What bothers me the most is not > the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working in AutoCAD > all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm straining to > reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of the upper > back and neck. One thing that I think is cool about the Happy Hacking Keyboard (though I've never tried one) is that the mouse is a lot closer to the keys when you remove the numeric keypad. If they made an ergonomic Happy Hacking keyboard, I'd go for it. http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhkbindex.html -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From wilson at visi.com Sat Dec 15 11:24:28 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <3C1AE529.5080803@baldwin-telecom.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, James Stauffer wrote: > That is one thing that I like about my GoldTouch keyboard. The mouse > can be kept closer to the middle. I have tried other keybaords to help > with this (integrated pointers) put they didn't work as well as a mouse. OK, that looks cool. Sort of what I suggested in my previous post about an ergonomic happy hacking keyboard. Of course, $160 is nothing to sneeze at. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From david.hadley at applisaurus.com Sat Dec 15 13:24:23 2001 From: david.hadley at applisaurus.com (David Hadley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <20011214163038.B5537@rephil.org> References: <15386.17994.162369.628960@cash.mwagner.org> <20011214163038.B5537@rephil.org> Message-ID: <1008440478.18470.2.camel@dhadley-host6> I'm not going to disagree with you, but I would like to comment that those ladies were only typing for eight hours a day. Maybe the comparison would be more fair if they got out of bed, hit the keyboard and mouse to check mail and news, went to work, typed all day, came home, got a page, typed more, then started working on their own projects at the keyboard, and rolled into bed a few hours before they did it again. 8 hours on a keyboard a day? Isn't that called vacation? dh On Fri, 2001-12-14 at 16:30, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 12:34:50PM -0600, Matt Wagner wrote: > > Timothy Wilson writes: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and > > > tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches > > > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > > > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) > > > > Tim, > > > > I started to get this a while back also. > > > > My wife -- who is an architect and spends a lot of time in front of > > the computer with Autocad -- gave me a set of her strap-on wrist > > guards. They have worked perfectly. > > Here's a curmudgeonly point of view, not inconsistent with your report. > > RSI / Carpal Tunnel / whatever, is just the name given to a symptom > that is a result of the development of a population of undisciplined/unskilled > typists large enough to need to name their symptoms. > > No, I'm not picking on anyone or calling anyone unskilled. > > But, the fact remains that I had a great-aunt who was a member of a > typing pool for decades, back around the middle of the last century. > She typed something around 120 w.p.m., as did anyone else who worked > there, and they did it for eight hours a day, every day. For years. > Not one of them ever had to quit or even complained of these > symptoms. And there were many thousands of professional typists > employed all through not just our country, but the world, and it took > the invention of the computer to bring to the forefront of the public > consciousness the malady known as RSI or Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. > > The difference is that the trained professionals were all told one > important thing when learning to type: > > "Sit up straight and KEEP YOUR WRISTS UP." > > Whenever I find myself getting sloppy, or slouching, or resting my > hands on the keyboard -- and I use a laptop a lot -- I lift my wrists > up and continue, and they get better. And that's the same thing your > wife's wrist things force to happen. So, whatever works for you. :) > > Next time: "Health Food Makes Me Sick." > > -- > "Trying to do something with your life is like > sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 15 13:25:19 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D231@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Make sure you get him a virus scanner the next time around. :) I suggest Norton AV 2002. Much better than McAfee, and it's autoupdate feature actually works all the time. http://www.centralcommand.com is supposed to have a good one too, but I haven't tried it. Norton is nice because it scans any file that hits the hard drive. Just for kicks, I got myself a copy of that virus that used readme.eml, and as soon as it hit the drive, Norton quarantined it, I tried everything I could think of to execute that virus, but nothing worked. Norton is a good product. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:20 AM > To: TC-LUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] win98 and virus > > > what is the exact error message? what is the command that you are > using? which partition is it? in recent times i have not come > across any > virusses this distructive (it would seem like our precious > customers AKA > users, virus writers are getting less technical) > > -munir > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, johndmiller wrote: > > > Thank you for all input. I have tried to mount it as vfat > and get the > > same error. I will try the dd idea, if it works great, > other wise he ends > > up with another 10 gig HD and that is ok too. > > > > John Miller > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 15 13:29:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D232@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You could get one of these and not use your mouse at all: http://www.naturalpoint.com Only $99, so it's almost worth it just to play with. Note that you can get 2 of them to get "depth perception" and use it 3d also. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: james [mailto:jspinti@rr.mn.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms > > > On Saturday 15 December 2001 01:23 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > > My right shoulderblade has been getting a tingling feeling > and numbness > > over the last couple of months, I wonder if this has > something to do with > > it. It doesn't hurt, but it's very noticable, and very annoying. > > > I find that every several months I have to switch "mouse > arms" if I am using > the mouse very much. I first noticed it when I began using > Win 3.1 and > didn't know the keyboard shortcuts yet. It took me a while > to narrow it down > to the mouse, but once I changed the mouse to the left side, > it got better in > about a month. > > Now I use the mouse as little as possible -- never did like > the rodents, > anyway :) -- and haven't had a problem for about a year. > > HTH > > James > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 15 13:33:16 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <200112150342.fBF3geT23056@sprite.real-time.com>; from Jay W. Anderson on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:42:37PM -0600 References: <3C19FC7F.EEC0803@gvtel.com> <200112150342.fBF3geT23056@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011215123306.A7860@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:42:37PM -0600, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > has a lot to do with this as well. What bothers me the most is not > the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working in AutoCAD > all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm straining to > reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of the upper > back and neck. This is the main reason why I think the mouse sucks as a UI device. The trackpoint is a bearable alternative. I don't mind arcane control key bindings and macro sequences -- it may take a while to learn them, but that just keeps the mind alive and keeps one's hands over the home keys resulting in fewer demands on the users movable parts. Ergonomically, without moving the ESC key binding, Emacs wins over vi. Does anyone know of a Linux program similar to QuickKeys? (I've looked before but never seen one.) Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Sat Dec 15 13:55:41 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms References: Message-ID: <3C1BA1E6.9080303@baldwin-telecom.net> Thankfully my company bought 2 for me (one for at work and one for telecommuting). :-) Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, James Stauffer wrote: > > >>That is one thing that I like about my GoldTouch keyboard. The mouse >>can be kept closer to the middle. I have tried other keybaords to help >>with this (integrated pointers) put they didn't work as well as a mouse. >> > > OK, that looks cool. Sort of what I suggested in my previous post about an > ergonomic happy hacking keyboard. Of course, $160 is nothing to sneeze at. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Dec 15 14:25:34 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 root partition? In-Reply-To: <20011215091810.473327e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011215091810.473327e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011215195956.GA29611@wookimus.net> On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 09:18:10AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > I added ext3 journals to my ext2 filesystems last night (finally > upgraded to debian's 2.4.16 kernel), rebooted with an fstab reflecting > the changes, and it almost worked. All of my filesystems except for / > are mounted as ext3. The kernel detected the filesystem on my root > partition as ext2. > > Is there an appropriate way to kick the kernel into mounting it as > ext3? /etc/fstab needs to have the filetype "auto" instead of ext2 selected. Also, ext3 has to be compiled monolithically into the kernel... no modules. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011215/1db2fc4c/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Dec 15 14:29:03 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X just died on my Debian unstable box In-Reply-To: <20011214190534.A6797@sherohman.org> References: <20011213044218.GA18828@lemongecko.org> <20011213192744.GD3908@wookimus.net> <20011214190534.A6797@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011215200551.GB29611@wookimus.net> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 07:05:35PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Yes, Debian is an evolving creature, debconf in particular. > > I don't think Dan's problem had anything to do with debconf, but > rather with the woody/sid X servers which don't seem to care if you > have a working XF896Config or not, but instead want to ask you some > questions (which do, admittedly, end up in debconf's database, but > that doesn't make it a debconf issue) Wow, you're splitting hairs here. It is not a debconf issue as a tool, but as an implementation for those packages. Read debian-devel for the full story. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011215/d82c3bac/attachment.pgp From houle at citilink.com Sat Dec 15 16:32:52 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office Message-ID: Does anyone know a projected date when Star Office 6.0 is supposed to be released from Beta version to something ready for prime time? From jack at jacku.com Sat Dec 15 17:39:57 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121516544400.00861@geezer> On Saturday 15 December 2001 10:36, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > What bothers me the most is not > > the typing, but sitting and using the mouse while working in AutoCAD > > all day. If I have the keyboard where it should be, I'm straining to > > reach and hold/work the mouse which effects the muscles of the upper > > back and neck. > > One thing that I think is cool about the Happy Hacking Keyboard (though > I've never tried one) is that the mouse is a lot closer to the keys when > you remove the numeric keypad. If they made an ergonomic Happy Hacking > keyboard, I'd go for it. > > http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhkbindex.html > > -Tim I had a HHKB up in Duluth. For a long time our main server was in a cabinet in the corner of one of the classrooms. In order to get Monitor, Keyboard, and case in the space normally used by a 25" or 27" TV (it was a lockable AV rolling cabinet.) We got a Happy Hacking Keyboard. Once you get used to the "missing" keys or more correctly the overlays (shift, control, function) that get you delete instead of backspace, arrow keys, etc its not a bad little keyboard. (Emphasis on the little.) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From houle at citilink.com Sat Dec 15 17:44:23 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Writers Wanted ! Message-ID: I am looking for original articles about Linux or Open Source for possible publication in The Twin Cities PC Users (TC/PC) group newsletter called "The Digital Viking." They should be original content and not using another persons copyrighted material. Could range from short articles about some useful URL's to more lengthy articles. This is not intended to be a one time situation, but ongoing monthly as our newsletter is published. As President of TC/PC I am tying to spread the word about Linux and Open Source. The newsletter is distributed to about 400 local members and also to User Groups throughout the country in an exchange program. To view a sample of the newsletter please visit the TC/PC website at http://www.tcpc.com and look for the link to "Digital Viking Newsletter" in a pdf format. Articles may be submitted to: terry@tcpc.com TC/PC would be the final judge if any article is published. Thanks for helping spread the word about Open Source. Terry Houle President Twin Cities PC Users Group terry@tcpc.com http://www.tcpc.com From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sat Dec 15 17:48:37 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Star Office In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200112152319.fBFNJ7u04973@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I have only heard in Q1 of 2002. It may not be released as a free product. Discussion on the OpenOffice list indicates SUN will attach a reasonable price to Star Office. On Saturday 15 December 2001 03:29 pm, you wrote: > Does anyone know a projected date when Star Office 6.0 is supposed to be > released from Beta version to something ready for prime time? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:32:50 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... Message-ID: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> anyone know how to fix a sound prob i'm having .... digital sound works on my pc all the time... but i have a DVDrom ... and a CDburner... both of which will not play sound... the pc recognizes the audio... and will open a CD player... but no sound... what's the deal.. SuSE7.3 sB live sound card also... my DVDrom will not play DVD's... and my CDburner... will not browse a cd... it just wants to burn... any help would be cool thanks jw From xyz at simail.com Sat Dec 15 19:51:56 2001 From: xyz at simail.com (xyz@simail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ¥»¤ë¯S»ù Message-ID: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> ´I¿A¤ì¤u¸ËæC¦æ *************************** ¥»¤uµ{¬I§@¶µ¥Ø *************************** ¤ì§@¸ËæC¡Bª÷ÄÝÃþ¡B¨¾¤õ«Ø§÷Ãþ ¾À¯ÈÃþ¡Bµ¡Ã®Ãþ¡B¦a¿jÃþ ¦a´àÃþ¡B¦Ê¸­µ¡Ãþ¡B§ß¤âÃþ ªÅ¶¡³W¹º³]­p¡Bªd§@³¡¥÷¡B¨¾¤ô§ìº| ¤ô¹qºû­×¡B´ºÆ[³W¹º¡B ³y´º¶éÃÀ ******************************* ¥»¤ë¯S»ù¡G ­q°µ¦çÃo¤@¤Ø3500¤¸¡A¼Æ¶q¦³­­¡A ½æ§¹¬°¤î¡C paper@maiil.siillk.com.tw ·NªÌ½Ð¬¢¡G0928-976283 0928-976283 À¹¥ý¥Í¬¢ From rudie at sihope.com Sat Dec 15 19:56:20 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> Message-ID: <20011215190325.0b9dc478.rudie@sihope.com> First thing that comes to mind - the audio cable that is supposed to go from the cd-rom/burner/DVD to your sound card. If it is there, try reversing the cable at either end. Any chance the box dual-boots and you can test in WinBlows? Just tested on my RedHat 7.2 install with SB Live! Works like a charm. Hope this helps. On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:12:39 -0600 Jeremy Wilson wrote: > anyone know how to fix a sound prob i'm having .... digital sound works > on my pc all the time... but i have a DVDrom ... and a CDburner... both > of which will not play sound... the pc recognizes the audio... and will > open a CD player... but no sound... what's the deal.. > > SuSE7.3 > sB live sound card -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@sihope.com | rudie@fastcomputers.tv http://fastcomputers.tv "Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." - Carl Jung From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Dec 15 20:47:53 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> Message-ID: <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Is ... your audio ... cable ... hooked up ... correctly .... ? Do ... you have .... the .... proper software .... installed ... ? Are ... all ... the ... elipses ... really ... neccesary ... ? On Sat, 2001-12-15 at 18:12, Jeremy Wilson wrote: > anyone know how to fix a sound prob i'm having .... digital sound works > on my pc all the time... but i have a DVDrom ... and a CDburner... both > of which will not play sound... the pc recognizes the audio... and will > open a CD player... but no sound... what's the deal.. > > SuSE7.3 > sB live sound card > > also... my DVDrom will not play DVD's... and my CDburner... will not > browse a cd... it just wants to burn... > > any help would be cool > > thanks > > jw > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From houle at citilink.com Sat Dec 15 20:54:57 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) Message-ID: As President of the Twin Cities PC Users group I am going to try and devote one Saturday a month to Linux. Currently our Systems on Saturday group meets every Saturday in Bloomington near the Mall of America. Generally we discuss Windows since that is all most of us know or are trying to learn. I would like to include Linux once per month or at least on a periodic basis. It would all be dependent on someone to lead the SIG and share their Linux knowledge and skills with some of us want-a-bees. Great proficiency with Linux would not be required since anyone would probably know more than most of us. We have about 375 members and publish a monthly newsletter called the Digital Viking. A copy of the newsletter and more information about us could be found on our web site at: http://www.tcpc.com . It could be an opportunity for someone to enhance their speaking or teaching skills. We do have a projector but Linux is not on our machine at this time. Would be preferable if the person/s brough their own laptop to use. Our meeting room probably holds a max of 40 people and generally 20 may show up to most Saturday's. Assume it would be difficut for me to get a person to do it every month and would therfore like to develop a list of possible SIG leaders for a Saturday. That way there could be a rotation of some kind or possibly we just do it every few months depending on the number of people willing to do it. To not discourage our group it would be best just to use GUI and not the command line to scare people off. We meet from 9AM to about 11:30 AM. If you would like more clarification please contact me or to put your name on the list as a "potential SIG leader". Regretably no compensation is available except for the satifaction or skill development you get. Terry Houle President Twin Cities PC Users Group terry@tcpc.com http://www.tcpc.com From blayer at qwest.net Sat Dec 15 22:52:28 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ¥»¤ë¯S»ù In-Reply-To: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> ... and now this is your post on drugs ... On ?P????, 16 ?Q?G?? 2001 05:27:24 xyz@simail.com wrote: > ?I?A???u???C?? > *************************** > ???u?{?I?@???? > *************************** > ???@???C?B???????B?????????? > ???????B???????B?a?j?? > ?a?????B?????????B?????? > ?????W???]?p?B?d?@?????B???????| > ???q?????B???[?W???B ?y?????? > ******************************* > ?????S???G > > ?q?????o?@??3500???A???q?????A > ?????????C > paper@maiil.siillk.com.tw > ?N???????G0928-976283 > 0928-976283 ???????? > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From lbehrens at boolion.com Sat Dec 15 22:56:20 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: RSI symptoms Message-ID: What the heck.... my $.02 before the thread finally dies..... About the great aunt.... she was probably typing on a manual typewriter, at least for most of her career. (How many people remember those? And yes, you can type 120+ wpm on one of those--my mom could too. What can you say, but "Wow.") BIG difference in how your hands work compared to an electric/keyboard. The Mayo study. Whatever. Maybe it's not called CTS, RSI, or ????, but there's definite pain in my wrists and arms after a day of heavy-duty typing. And obviously, I'm not the only one. (Yeah, the Mayo is a great hospital. But every once in a while they release the results of a study, and you wonder how the heck they came to their conclusions.) As for positioning of the keyboard and mouse, I've found that I have much, much less pain if the keyboard is flat (break off those damn riser pegs if you have to!--they are a big part of the problem), right in front of me, and down low enough that my forearms are level or even angled downward slightly. And the mouse needs to be right next to the keyboard, at the same level as the keyboard. If you've got a keyboard tray that's only wide enough for the keyboard, get rid of it and adjust the height of your chair. Having the keyboard and mouse at different heights is just as bad or worse than the riser pegs on the keyboard. If the mouse is really giving you a bad time, do as others suggest and replace it with a different device--a trackball, touch pad, tablet, or even a touch screen. (Yeah, the last one is a pretty spendy option, but it might work for you.) Interestingly, the wrist pads also seem to aggravate the problem, probably because their very nature adds even more pressure to the wrist area. And lastly, you may want to ask your employer for one of those split keyboards that attach your office chair, especially if you can't get a decent desk that was actually made for typing. (Most are way too high.) These keyboards are expensive, but I know people for whom it made a big improvement. Lee Behrens From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 15 23:50:30 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: ; from Terry Houle on Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 08:25:08PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 08:25:08PM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > To not discourage our group it would be best just to use GUI and not > the command line to scare people off. Sorry, but I just lost all interest. There's no more reason to stay away from the command line than there is to stay away from GUIs entirely. It's a little like teaching people to drive, but not to make left turns, since 3 rights will do fine and are easier. You might look for people that can make it interesting, though. -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From phil at rephil.org Sat Dec 15 23:53:53 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <1008440478.18470.2.camel@dhadley-host6>; from David Hadley on Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 12:21:18PM -0600 References: <15386.17994.162369.628960@cash.mwagner.org> <20011214163038.B5537@rephil.org> <1008440478.18470.2.camel@dhadley-host6> Message-ID: <20011215225507.B8677@rephil.org> On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 12:21:18PM -0600, David Hadley wrote: > I'm not going to disagree with you, but I would like to comment that > those ladies were only typing for eight hours a day. Maybe the > comparison would be more fair if they got out of bed, hit the keyboard I recognize the humor intended in your post, but there's something to be said for the number of keystrokes made in a minute vs. time spent in front of a keyboard. E-mail is way slower than typing-pool type typing and programming is even worse. How 'bout if you don't have a phone, aren't allowed to talk to others when you're not on break, can't drink coffee at your desk, and don't have to think about what you're typing much? I think 8 hours at 120 w.p.m. is probably worth about a week of the days you mention. Good thing programmers don't get paid by the keystroke! Wait -- maybe that's what M$ is up to after all -- it would explain an awful lot. ;) -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Sun Dec 16 00:53:02 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> yes the audio cable is hooked up right. my cdrecorder will play cd audio. it is hooked up with the cd audio connector on my card. then the DVD rom is using the CD SPDIF connector. it does work in winblows . just now in linux. From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Sun Dec 16 02:55:06 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> Message-ID: <3C1C53C8.EE79D20F@charter.net> testing filters From eng at pinenet.com Sun Dec 16 06:02:04 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nice Linux controller web site Message-ID: <01C185F1.302DB940.eng@pinenet.com> Maybe it was mentioned before, but anyway here is a really fine controller web site with heavy Linux emphasis; http://www.beyondlogic.org/ This area of Linux is really taking off. The USB interface for controllers seems to offer outstanding "user mode" improvements over the standard parallel and serial port 8 bit interrupt control "real mode." Great tutorials are provided, and great cheap (even prototyping) USB controller hardware is reviewed. Several USB/serial,parallel converters are described. Lots of Linux controller software is also available. The serial port UART is still great for the DTE end, but the host side should certainly use USB. From houle at citilink.com Sun Dec 16 07:10:26 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> Message-ID: My only reason for the comment about GUI vs. command line is that I want to engage our group in Linux and make sure they see how easy it can be. I think some of the command line is necessary and want to have some of that in there also but I just want to make sure they get a healthy dose of the GUI to see they can make it work form there. If I am fortunate enough to get four or five volunteers and most talk about the GUI and some get more under the hood with the command line that is great. I do want to try and learn and understand some of that also. I just don't want it overbearing at the beginning as I try and draw people into Linux. Regretably much of the TCLUG general meetings and mail list is above my understaning. I want to try and use this forum to educate and promote for the average user. I think it would be good for TC/PC and I think it might draw in TCLUG people like myself to help fill a void. The bottom line is further promotion of Linux. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 08:25:08PM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > To not discourage our group it would be best just to use GUI and not > the command line to scare people off. Sorry, but I just lost all interest. There's no more reason to stay away from the command line than there is to stay away from GUIs entirely. It's a little like teaching people to drive, but not to make left turns, since 3 rights will do fine and are easier. You might look for people that can make it interesting, though. From mwagner at mysql.com Sun Dec 16 10:34:10 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> Message-ID: <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> Phil Mendelsohn writes: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 08:25:08PM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > > > To not discourage our group it would be best just to use GUI and not > > the command line to scare people off. > > Sorry, but I just lost all interest. There's no more reason to stay > away from the command line than there is to stay away from GUIs > entirely. It's a little like teaching people to drive, but not to > make left turns, since 3 rights will do fine and are easier. > > You might look for people that can make it interesting, though. Phil, Your comment is a classic example of the topic of this Newsforge article from a little over a week ago: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/12/05/1259245&mode=thread Making Linux look harder than it is Thursday December 06, 04:34 AM EST [ GNU/Linux ] - By Robin "Roblimo" Miller - Many "gurus" teaching new users about Linux make it look harder than it needs to be, and apparently fail to explain that yes, you can make PowerPoint-style presentations in Linux, you can view Web Pages that use Flash animation and other "glitz" features, and that you can manage all your files though simple "point, click, drag and drop" visual interfaces. Could the biggest problem with Linux usability be that most of the people teaching newbies to use Linux are too smart and know too much? .... Continues .... Isn't the point to get newbies interested -- and converted away from the Microsoft stuff -- to show them that there is an alternative. The point is not to rub their nose in what might be too complicated for them in the beginning. I mean, yeah I learned Linux via the "fundamentalist" approach as well (almost 6 yrs ago now). But if I am to ever convince my parents that they don't need Windows2000 + MS Office + IE just to check their Yahoo! email 3 times per week and maybe type-up a recipe with Word -- then I better damn well NOT force them to use the friggin command-line from the start! :) I understand your point... But I think this attitude may be one factor in what keeps Linux from expanding. :-\ Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From blayer at qwest.net Sun Dec 16 12:09:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011216103459.087503d4.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:41:14 -0600 "Terry Houle" wrote: > My only reason for the comment about GUI vs. command line is that I want to > engage our group in Linux and make sure they see how easy it can be. I > think some of the command line is necessary and want to have some of that in > there also but I just want to make sure they get a healthy dose of the GUI > to see they can make it work form there. um, and to exactly which of the many Linux GUIs are you specifically referring? KDE, Gnome, ICEwm, WindowMaker, Blackbox etc etc? There is no single standard GUI for Linux. Learning to use a Linux GUI is really not any different from learning to use a new (elaborate) piece of software _under_ a Windows GUI. While at first one might be in the dark, a little common sense, exploration and trial & error will get things done. It's also important to remember that you don't need to be a Linux user to read the Help for a Linux program.. From blayer at qwest.net Sun Dec 16 12:17:56 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:55:50 -0600 (CST) "Matt Wagner" wrote: > Many "gurus" teaching new users about Linux make it look harder than > it needs to be, and apparently fail to explain that yes, you can make > PowerPoint-style presentations in Linux, you can view Web Pages that > use Flash animation and other "glitz" features, and that you can > manage all your files though simple "point, click, drag and drop" > visual interfaces. (lightly editied stream of conciousness... beware) I'm not sure how helpful this line of thought actually is. Yes, you can do most of these things in Linux, but for the most part, you can do them more easily and with better support and integration under Windows. If we are trying to tell Windows users "Look, you can do almost everything you want, almost as well as in Windows" I don't think that we will be winning too many new converts. Until Microsoft is forced from their monopolistic fortress, we as Linux users will still be using b-grade knockoffs of popular daily-driver Windows softwares. That is harsh, but it's reality. I don't have a 1GB vmware installation because I think it's a neat idea. I have it, because sometimes, I just simply need Windows. Word, Excel, Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc etc. And the MS OS/software bundling strategy has certainly made the road difficult for everyone else. It's hard to sell someone on the 'free' nature of Linux, when they have already unwittingly purchased a copy of a Microsoft operating system when they got that new PC. I don't throw my money away (well, only on drink), and I don't expect Windows users to be any more inclined than I. Sorry if I'm such the devil's advocate here, but I really feel the need to refine and focus the lines of thought into more productive patterns. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 16 12:25:07 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> Message-ID: <20011216112332.4195af18.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jeremy Wilson wrote: > > yes the audio cable is hooked up right. my cdrecorder will play cd > audio. it is hooked up with the cd audio connector on my card. then the > DVD rom is using the CD SPDIF connector. it does work in winblows . just > now in linux. Then, either that input is muted, or you need to set up some `routing' (this could be true if you have an SB Live! or some other over-complicated sound card ;-) Start up a mixer (gmix comes with Gnome, I'm sure KDE has kmix or something similar), and make sure that CD inputs have decent volume. If you actually have an SB Live, you might have to download a utility to fix any broken routing. Last time I checked, it was kind of messy to use and set up, but it should work. I can give some pointers if that's the case. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Droughts are because god / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ didn't pay his water bill. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011216/32e1e21b/attachment.pgp From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sun Dec 16 13:54:20 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> References: <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200112161925.fBGJPMu15298@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > I'm not sure how helpful this line of thought actually is. Yes, you can do > most of these things in Linux, but for the most part, you can do them more > easily and with better support and integration under Windows. If we are > trying to tell Windows users "Look, you can do almost everything you want, > almost as well as in Windows" I don't think that we will be winning too > many new converts. Until Microsoft is forced from their monopolistic > fortress, we as Linux users will still be using b-grade knockoffs of > popular daily-driver Windows softwares. That is harsh, but it's reality. Bill, I agree with the above statement, however as a Linux newbie, I had little prior knowledge of the command line before installing my first distro. Windows is easier to use for the average desktop user. However, Linux is closing the gap and may someday eclipse Windows. As a new user I wanted to "get on board" before Linux became popular on the desktop. I have since learned the basics of the command line. Yes there are still a few things I cannot accomplish without Windows but IMO, now is a great time to learn about Linux, command line or not. Many Windows users are simply unaware the command line is still a minimal requirement in Linux. It is a very powerful tool. But a GUI is easier and I would venture to say KDE is leading the race. I think any interested Windows users would gladly learn about an alternative OS such as Linux. My primary reason to use Linux was cost; I was tired of paying too much for software apps and OS upgrades. I still pay for my Linux distros, but at a more reasonable rate. So there are incentives, even though limitations exist with the "Linux desktop". I would certainly be willing to give Windows users the chance to at least see Linux in action. Whether I convert users or not, it would at least increase thier awareness of the Linux OS. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sun Dec 16 14:47:52 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> What kind of users do you have at TCPC? Are they gamers? Office workers? Hobbyists? "Power" users? Obviously some groups would be more interested in Linux than others. On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 11:05, Bill Layer wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:55:50 -0600 (CST) > "Matt Wagner" wrote: > > > Many "gurus" teaching new users about Linux make it look harder than > > it needs to be, and apparently fail to explain that yes, you can make > > PowerPoint-style presentations in Linux, you can view Web Pages that > > use Flash animation and other "glitz" features, and that you can > > manage all your files though simple "point, click, drag and drop" > > visual interfaces. > > (lightly editied stream of conciousness... beware) > > I'm not sure how helpful this line of thought actually is. Yes, you can do > most of these things in Linux, but for the most part, you can do them more > easily and with better support and integration under Windows. If we are > trying to tell Windows users "Look, you can do almost everything you want, > almost as well as in Windows" I don't think that we will be winning too > many new converts. Until Microsoft is forced from their monopolistic > fortress, we as Linux users will still be using b-grade knockoffs of > popular daily-driver Windows softwares. That is harsh, but it's reality. > > I don't have a 1GB vmware installation because I think it's a neat idea. I > have it, because sometimes, I just simply need Windows. Word, Excel, > Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc etc. > > And the MS OS/software bundling strategy has certainly made the road > difficult for everyone else. It's hard to sell someone on the 'free' > nature of Linux, when they have already unwittingly purchased a copy of a > Microsoft operating system when they got that new PC. I don't throw my > money away (well, only on drink), and I don't expect Windows users to be > any more inclined than I. > > Sorry if I'm such the devil's advocate here, but I really feel the need to > refine and focus the lines of thought into more productive patterns. > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Sun Dec 16 14:57:28 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011216103459.087503d4.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <20011216103459.087503d4.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01121614151900.01932@geezer> On Sunday 16 December 2001 10:34, Bill Layer wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:41:14 -0600 > > "Terry Houle" wrote: > > My only reason for the comment about GUI vs. command line is that I want > > to > > > engage our group in Linux and make sure they see how easy it can be. I > > think some of the command line is necessary and want to have some of > > that in > > > there also but I just want to make sure they get a healthy dose of the > > GUI > > > to see they can make it work form there. > > um, and to exactly which of the many Linux GUIs are you specifically > referring? KDE, Gnome, ICEwm, WindowMaker, Blackbox etc etc? There is no > single standard GUI for Linux. Learning to use a Linux GUI is really not > any different from learning to use a new (elaborate) piece of software > _under_ a Windows GUI. While at first one might be in the dark, a little > common sense, exploration and trial & error will get things done. It's > also important to remember that you don't need to be a Linux user to read > the Help for a Linux program.. Maybe what can be done is different presenters with different GUIs. Since one of the things we "preach" about Linux is flexibility. Then maybe part of this introduction should show just that. While I'll use SuSE with KDE, Bill would use Slackware with ICEwm, and somebody else uses Debian and Gnome. Anyway mark me down as interested in being one of the presenters. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Sun Dec 16 15:52:01 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> <20011216112332.4195af18.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3C1D0E20.D3010A03@charter.net> i checked with gamix. the CD volume is up . yet, no sound from the DVD rom. the cdrecorder works fantastically. just the stupid DVD rom. as for the utility for Linux for SB live. would i get that from the SB live site??? thanks for your help jeremy From phil at rephil.org Sun Dec 16 15:53:43 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: ; from Terry Houle on Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 06:41:14AM -0600 References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011216151745.A16820@rephil.org> On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 06:41:14AM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > My only reason for the comment about GUI vs. command line is that I want to > engage our group in Linux and make sure they see how easy it can be. And my point is that there are many people who find Windows to be a handicap to getting work done, but can't put their finger on how or why. The reason is because they don't even know what a command line is. To say that you can show them Linux but not a command line for risk of scaring them is to say that you won't risk enlightening them either. As to Mr. Wagner's comment that *my* attitude is somehow responsible for fettering the growth of Linux, that's almost as bass-ackwards. (no offense.) You can't try teach a pig to sing -- it's futile and annoys the pig. Whether Linux or Windows, if someone wants to get a job done and is interested in how, they won't mind learning a new way of thought. If new thought scares them, then they are most likely going to be annoyed pigs. Choosing songs they like better won't make better music. ;) I recommend not limiting your speakers ahead of time, and let your groups work out how comfortable with topics they are as part of discussion. Maybe the time for the command line is not right off at the first meeting, but don't censor it. Cheers, Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Sun Dec 16 15:55:23 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> Message-ID: <3C1D0FCA.BE8C8622@charter.net> could the problem not be my sound card. But my Hitachi DVD rom drive?? i've noticed other problems with this drive in Linux.. when i used to use Xroast for burning CD's the program would not recognize the DVD rom as a read device. So i could not burn from my DVD rom directly to my Yamaha burner. and when i do a CDRECORD -SCANBUS there is no device ID for my DVD rom drive. is there another command i can do to find out the address for my DVD rom drive currently it is /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd or the media versions of these i can access it to get files off of a CD but i cannot use it to play music. or DVD's . thanks again for your help jw From bradyh at bitstream.net Sun Dec 16 15:59:44 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) Message-ID: <1008534856.1651.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I'm not sure how helpful this line of thought actually is. Yes, you can do > most of these things in Linux, but for the most part, you can do them more > easily and with better support and integration under Windows. If we are > trying to tell Windows users "Look, you can do almost everything you want, > almost as well as in Windows" I don't think that we will be winning too > many new converts. Until Microsoft is forced from their monopolistic > fortress, we as Linux users will still be using b-grade knockoffs of > popular daily-driver Windows softwares. That is harsh, but it's reality. This may be true for some applications but definitely not for others. My favorite thing about Linux is how someone will say "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Evolution had this cool feature?" and two weeks later it does. That will never happen with Outlook or any MS app for that matter. I think because of open source most commercial software is not yet available for Linux (though I bet it will be eventually) or not as good on Linux but I think most shareware type applications are better on Linux because of the cooperative atmosphere. Brady From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 16 17:49:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BTCLUG=5D_=A5=BB=A4=EB=AFS=BB=F9?= In-Reply-To: <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 10:36:25PM -0600 References: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): > ... and now this is your post on drugs ... > > On ?P????, 16 ?Q?G?? 2001 05:27:24 > xyz@simail.com wrote: I'm not sure how this got past the spam filters. I do know that for several hours I was not able to rsync to ORBZ database. But that doesn't explain how it got past the only subscribers can post to the list logic. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Sun Dec 16 19:00:09 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?b?pbuk669Tu/k=?= In-Reply-To: <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> References: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011217000618.78AC84769@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> Well, I know I have accidently posted with the wrong email address before, and it has made it on. Sounds like it may not be working... Jay On Sunday 16 December 2001 05:05 pm, you wrote: > Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): > > ... and now this is your post on drugs ... > > > > On ?P????, 16 ?Q?G?? 2001 05:27:24 > > xyz@simail.com wrote: > > I'm not sure how this got past the spam filters. I do know that for several > hours I was not able to rsync to ORBZ database. But that doesn't explain > how it got past the only subscribers can post to the list logic. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #15 A: The Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Q: What was the greatest achievement in taxidermy? From dutchman at uswest.net Sun Dec 16 19:01:45 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Question Message-ID: <3C1D3688.C51FDAD9@uswest.net> I have a question on modem detection. I installed a modem on a RH7.2 system. Upon bootup, Kudzu detected the modem and configured the modem. If I do a lspci, I see the modem in the listing. How do I figure out which /dev/ttyS* it is parked on. I have going through the Linux Modem-HOWTO. I tried probing using setserial but all it tells me is that I have UART 16550A on ttyS0, ttyS1 and unknown on ttyS2 and ttyS3. Is there a file that Kudzu wrote the configuration to or when setserial is run on startup? I looked in the standard places such as serial.conf but there was no joy. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Dec 16 19:51:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011216103459.087503d4.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <20011216103459.087503d4.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011216185626.U4695@ringworld.org> * Bill Layer [011216 12:10]: > someone to demonstrate KDE to a bunch of Windows users. This is a simple Yeah, becase gnome is so hard to use. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Dec 16 19:55:23 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011216190030.V4695@ringworld.org> * Bill Layer [011216 12:21]: > most of these things in Linux, but for the most part, you can do them more > easily and with better support and integration under Windows. If we are I would love to create something like "Linux XP" that has total intergration and barely a command line in sight. However, I have no time to do so, and I mostly focus my efforts on things that help me at work, which is providing a stable linux end-user desktop to techically inclined researchers. Perhaps someday I'll have a chance to work on something I would give my grandmother, but until then I'm still giving them windows. :| (WinXP is really amazing for people who are just starting out.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From rsinland at gvtel.com Sun Dec 16 20:11:51 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Question References: <3C1D3688.C51FDAD9@uswest.net> Message-ID: <3C1D4AAC.10800D3E@gvtel.com> I know a way, pretty kludgy but worked for me. I disabled my onboard serial ports in the bios. Then as Linux booted I watched the Uart beeing detected on ttys4 or whatever. Set the modem to that and it took off. RS Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I have a question on modem detection. I installed a modem on a RH7.2 > system. Upon bootup, Kudzu detected the modem and configured the > modem. If I do a lspci, I see the modem in the listing. How do I > figure out which /dev/ttyS* it is parked on. I have going through the > Linux Modem-HOWTO. I tried probing using setserial but all it tells me > is that I have UART 16550A on ttyS0, ttyS1 and unknown on ttyS2 and > ttyS3. Is there a file that Kudzu wrote the configuration to or when > setserial is run on startup? I looked in the standard places such as > serial.conf but there was no joy. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sun Dec 16 20:13:27 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Question In-Reply-To: <3C1D3688.C51FDAD9@uswest.net> References: <3C1D3688.C51FDAD9@uswest.net> Message-ID: <1008552841.13847.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Ummm... If it's PCI, it's probably one of the infamous WinModems. You could try looking about on http://www.linmodems.org/, but don't get your hopes up. On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 18:04, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I have a question on modem detection. I installed a modem on a RH7.2 > system. Upon bootup, Kudzu detected the modem and configured the > modem. If I do a lspci, I see the modem in the listing. How do I > figure out which /dev/ttyS* it is parked on. I have going through the > Linux Modem-HOWTO. I tried probing using setserial but all it tells me > is that I have UART 16550A on ttyS0, ttyS1 and unknown on ttyS2 and > ttyS3. Is there a file that Kudzu wrote the configuration to or when > setserial is run on startup? I looked in the standard places such as > serial.conf but there was no joy. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tl at assimilated.org Sun Dec 16 20:14:56 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A5?= =?iso-8859-1?B?u6Trr1O7+Q==?= In-Reply-To: <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> References: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011217012852.GA13624@assimilated.org> On Dec 16 at 05:05PM Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): >> ... and now this is your post on drugs ... >> On ?P????, 16 ?Q?G?? 2001 05:27:24 >> xyz@simail.com wrote: > I'm not sure how this got past the spam filters. I do know that > for several hours I was not able to rsync to ORBZ database. But > that doesn't explain how it got past the only subscribers can post > to the list logic. I was kind of wondering why someone would go to the trouble of signing up for an english speaking mailing list, and then proceed to spam it in another language... -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain From peter-clark at tides.com Sun Dec 16 21:12:55 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: Spam filters was Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A5=BB=A4=EB=AFS=BB=F9?= In-Reply-To: <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> References: <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200112170204.fBH24eo264300@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> On Sunday 16 December 2001 17:05, you wrote: > Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): > > ... and now this is your post on drugs ... > > > > On ?P????, 16 ?Q?G?? 2001 05:27:24 > > xyz@simail.com wrote: > > I'm not sure how this got past the spam filters. I do know that for several > hours I was not able to rsync to ORBZ database. But that doesn't explain > how it got past the only subscribers can post to the list logic. Bob: Look at my address. Now look at the subscriber database. You'll notice that peter-clark@tides.com is not listed. pc451@yahoo.com is listed, however. Ever since you included the filter that excludes all Hotmail and Yahoo accounts from posting, I just switched addresses when posting. (Yea for Kmail, it takes care of that automagically!) So all the list messages go in to Yahoo and out through "Tides". So while I heartily agree that you should exclude messages from non-subscribers, could you PLEASE allow mail from Yahoo and Hotmail (since, if non-subscribers aren't allowed to post, the problem of throw-away accounts disappears)? And give the list warning, so that people like me can configure their MUAs appropriately? Thanks, :Peter From houle at citilink.com Sun Dec 16 21:17:18 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: TCPC is generally middle age to retired probably many office workers. Some are computer consultants but probably just your average Joe that are not computer experts. We do have people interested in Linux, including myself, and I want to try and provide that forum. I believe it would also interest TCLUG people that are just starting out and are not admins or expert users. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of ScanMan Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:49 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) What kind of users do you have at TCPC? Are they gamers? Office workers? Hobbyists? "Power" users? Obviously some groups would be more interested in Linux than others. On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 11:05, Bill Layer wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:55:50 -0600 (CST) > "Matt Wagner" wrote: > > > Many "gurus" teaching new users about Linux make it look harder than > > > From dutchman at uswest.net Sun Dec 16 21:58:00 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Question References: <3C1D3688.C51FDAD9@uswest.net> <1008552841.13847.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3C1D6210.B11B3BA3@uswest.net> No, it is a Rockwell HCF 56K V90 FaxModem. ScanMan wrote: > Ummm... If it's PCI, it's probably one of the infamous WinModems. You > could try looking about on http://www.linmodems.org/, but don't get your > hopes up. > > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 18:04, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I have a question on modem detection. I installed a modem on a RH7.2 > > system. Upon bootup, Kudzu detected the modem and configured the > > modem. If I do a lspci, I see the modem in the listing. How do I > > figure out which /dev/ttyS* it is parked on. I have going through the > > Linux Modem-HOWTO. I tried probing using setserial but all it tells me > > is that I have UART 16550A on ttyS0, ttyS1 and unknown on ttyS2 and > > ttyS3. Is there a file that Kudzu wrote the configuration to or when > > setserial is run on startup? I looked in the standard places such as > > serial.conf but there was no joy. > > > > -- > > Perry Hoekstra > > E-Commerce Architect > > Talent Software Services > > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sun Dec 16 21:59:35 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <3C1D0FCA.BE8C8622@charter.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> <3C1D0FCA.BE8C8622@charter.net> Message-ID: <200112170316.fBH3Fxu26345@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > use Xroast for burning CD's the program would not recognize the DVD rom > as a read device. > i can access it to get files off of a CD but i cannot use it to play > music. or DVD's . Xcdroast will only recognize scsi devices. You must create scsi emulation for you dvd device. Please check www.yolinux for the cdrw howto's. As to your lack of audio, there has been a lot of discussion on the Mandrake list concerning this exact problem. I have discovered using an ide cdrw device with scsi emulation along with devfs will cause my ide dvd drive to not recognize any audio cd's. I'm not sure if your using devfs, but this is a confirmed and repeatable problem and could be the cause. My 2 cents... From dutchman at uswest.net Sun Dec 16 22:12:26 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question Message-ID: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> I recant my previous statement. I thought WinModems were only Lucent, PCTel or some 3Com/Robotics chips. After ScanMan brought up the Winmodem concept, I went to the Linmodem site and found my modem configuration under the Controllerless. Aaaaaarrrrrgh! A scourge on Windows-specific hardware. I, of cource, include HP in that curse with their DeskJet and proprietary driver technology. I apologize for taking up the bandwith. By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website promises a help file with the next release. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sun Dec 16 22:54:08 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008561473.13860.23.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Perhaps someone could demonstrate how to install Linux, and then answer questions about what it can do, and what programs it runs. On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 20:21, Terry Houle wrote: > TCPC is generally middle age to retired probably many office workers. Some > are computer consultants but probably just your average Joe that are not > computer experts. We do have people interested in Linux, including myself, > and I want to try and provide that forum. I believe it would also interest > TCLUG people that are just starting out and are not admins or expert users. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of ScanMan > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) > > > What kind of users do you have at TCPC? Are they gamers? Office workers? > Hobbyists? "Power" users? Obviously some groups would be more interested > in Linux than others. > > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 11:05, Bill Layer wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:55:50 -0600 (CST) > > "Matt Wagner" wrote: > > > > > Many "gurus" teaching new users about Linux make it look harder than > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mpaulsen at charter.net Sun Dec 16 22:55:58 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] orbz In-Reply-To: <20011216170536.B6662@real-time.com> References: <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> <200112160055.fBG0tqT04814@sprite.real-time.com> <20011215223625.13e1b18a.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011216214017.02ef8d40@pop.charter.net> orbz.org. It's dead, Jim. It was announced a while ago on NANAE -- maybe two weeks? I didn't see the post right away and don't recall the date. The reason given was untenable bandwidth charges due to DoS attacks. I haven't seen anything to indicate that they're planning to return. When orbs.org went away some (or at least one) of the people providing secondary DNS got tired of queries and returned positive responses on all queries to try to get people to wake up and stop wasting their bandwidth. If you confirm that they are offline you may want to stop orbz queries ASAP. If you are still able to pull a zone from them I'd check to see if it has changed in the last week. There's a fairly comprehensive list of similar services listed at www.openrbl.org. You'll note that visi.com has one up and running. Their policies may not fit your objectives, but I can tell you that the guy running the list knows what he's doing. And there's always Vernon Schryver's DCC http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ - Mike. At 05:05 PM 12/16/01, you wrote: >Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net): > > ... and now this is your post on drugs ... > > > > On ?P????, 16 ?Q?G?? 2001 05:27:24 > > xyz@simail.com wrote: > >I'm not sure how this got past the spam filters. I do know that for several >hours I was not able to rsync to ORBZ database. But that doesn't explain >how it >got past the only subscribers can post to the list logic. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sun Dec 16 23:00:06 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Question In-Reply-To: <3C1D6210.B11B3BA3@uswest.net> References: <3C1D3688.C51FDAD9@uswest.net> <1008552841.13847.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <3C1D6210.B11B3BA3@uswest.net> Message-ID: <1008562270.2982.1.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 21:10, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > No, it is a Rockwell HCF 56K V90 FaxModem. The Rockwell HCF is a winmodem. Sorry. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sun Dec 16 23:11:07 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question In-Reply-To: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> References: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> Message-ID: <1008562995.2978.6.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 21:37, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I, of cource, include HP in that curse with > their DeskJet and proprietary driver technology. Proprietary? AFAIK, their drivers are Free Software. http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ > By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on > how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website > promises a help file with the next release. I found gcombust much easier to use. http://freshmeat.net/projects/gcombust/ From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Mon Dec 17 07:27:49 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus Message-ID: Try using Red Hat's sysadmin BBC?? > ---------- > From: johndmiller[SMTP:john@mn.mediaone.net] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:49 PM > To: TC-LUG > Subject: [TCLUG] win98 and virus > > This is not a Linux question but with all the knowledge and kindness out > there I am hoping someone will be able to give a hand. My dad's win 98 > machine got the magistr virus and an no longer boot from the HD. I have > linux on a floppy and booted the computer from that and tried to mount the > HD but linux complained that it did not know the filesystem type. Mount > did try to mount it as a MSDOS system but couldn't. > > there is a couple of files that he would like off of it before I reinstall > his OS back on there. > > Any ideas > > TIA > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 17 08:17:59 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <200112161853.fBGIrvT17057@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: It would be a good idea for presenters to get together and assemble a list of topics for a series of linux presentations. The following are some linux topic ideas. 1. Comparison of Linux Distributions (RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, Slackware, ...) 2. Office Productivity Software (StarOffice, KOffice, AbiWord, OpenOffice, ...) 3. Desktop Environments (Gnome, KDE, WindowMaker, Sawmill, fvwm2, twm, ...) 4. Server Capabilities (web server, file server, print server, mail server database server -- Apache, Samba, Sendmail, Postfix, Postgresql, MySQL, InterBase/Firebird, ...) 5. Client and Networking Capabilities (file and print services, web browsers, X, vnc, ipchains/iptables, ...) 6. System Administration Overview (file system layout, webmin, linuxconf, vnc, ssh, distro specific tools, ...) 7. Software Development (gcc, gdb, perl, python, java, CodeWarrior, NetBeans, Kylix/Delphi, ...) 8. Commercial Software (Oracle, DB2, Sybase, games, IDEs, ...) It would also probably be a good idea to create a questionnaire for TCPC members that asks which linux topics they would be most interested in seeing for future presentations. Count me in as someone willing to do presentations ("potential SIG leader"). Joel On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 Terry Houle wrote: > As President of the Twin Cities PC Users group I am going to try and devote > one Saturday a month to Linux. Currently our Systems on Saturday group > meets every Saturday in Bloomington near the Mall of America. Generally we > discuss Windows since that is all most of us know or are trying to learn. I > would like to include Linux once per month or at least on a periodic basis. > It would all be dependent on someone to lead the SIG and share their Linux > knowledge and skills with some of us want-a-bees. Great proficiency with > Linux would not be required since anyone would probably know more than most > of us. We have about 375 members and publish a monthly newsletter called > the Digital Viking. A copy of the newsletter and more information about us > could be found on our web site at: http://www.tcpc.com . > It could be an opportunity for someone to enhance their speaking or teaching > skills. We do have a projector but Linux is not on our machine at this time. > Would be preferable if the person/s brough their own laptop to use. Our > meeting room probably holds a max of 40 people and generally 20 may show up > to most Saturday's. > Assume it would be difficut for me to get a person to do it every month and > would therfore like to develop a list of possible SIG leaders for a > Saturday. That way there could be a rotation of some kind or possibly we > just do it every few months depending on the number of people willing to do > it. To not discourage our group it would be best just to use GUI and not > the command line to scare people off. We meet from 9AM to about 11:30 AM. > If you would like more clarification please contact me or to put your name > on the list as a "potential SIG leader". Regretably no compensation is > available except for the satifaction or skill development you get. > > > Terry Houle > President > Twin Cities PC Users Group > terry@tcpc.com > http://www.tcpc.com From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 17 09:17:55 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <20011214145049.E4695@ringworld.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D22D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <01121414130702.00215@bleys> <20011214145049.E4695@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01121708555100.00483@bleys> On Friday 14 December 2001 14:50, Scott Dier wrote: > * Shawn [011214 14:40]: > > It's quite possible that some people are more prone to this than others. > > I was giving my personal experience as well as the accounts of some > > others that > > I've got a pretty wide frame, my sholders->arms->hands etc are in better > alignment for the natural keyboards than most people. Normal keyboards > are a pain in the ass. I'm not a "small" person by any means either. For me, it's personal preference as well as what I'm accustomed to for using natural keyboards. Use what works best for you I say. Shawn From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Dec 17 09:41:36 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] RSI symptoms Message-ID: Yes, only kinda. These are demanding folks, not easy going types. The only way to get _some_ of them to use such a thing would be to make them think it was all their idea. That's not to say it couldn't be done or is not worth the effort. They could use one for testing and pass it around. That said, they _don't_ want to carry _any_ peripherals around with them, so it may be a tough sell. Finding a laptop keyboard that didn't "suck" took a lot of time and effort on my part. Next time I will try to do a search on laptop vendors and delegate the task. :-/ >>> hick0088@tc.umn.edu 12/14/01 05:35PM >>> Heh.. That's funny. Kinda. However, in a case like that, it might be worth looking into a chording keyboard like what some people have with their wearables. But who knows, maybe that would just make things worse.. From uak at nerp.net Mon Dec 17 09:45:39 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I like this idea of a list of topics. Here is my added $.02: On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote: - Define "Operating System". - What _is_ Linux. Perhaps a very short historical perspective inserted here. Perhaps focus on what a user will _see_. Show them what you are talking about. When I first started out, I found it frustrating to have a group of hovering geeks talk about their Distro preferences. Chose one and just start from there. [Maybe don't even tell them (unless they ask) about other Distros at first.] You all can fight about which one it would be (RH), but introduce new things to your audience gradually. They will already see "very different" things if you show them different Desktop Environments. You can introduce them to "a version of Linux called [your disputed disto goes here]." Stay above the kernel for now. :) > 1. Comparison of Linux Distributions (RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, > Slackware, ...) > 2. Office Productivity Software (StarOffice, KOffice, AbiWord, OpenOffice, > ...) > 3. Desktop Environments (Gnome, KDE, WindowMaker, Sawmill, fvwm2, twm, > ...) For some in this audience, you will have do define what a "server" is before you go on to this topic. > 4. Server Capabilities (web server, file server, print server, mail server > database server -- Apache, Samba, Sendmail, Postfix, Postgresql, MySQL, > InterBase/Firebird, ...) Can you speak of these topics in terms other than "Client," "Networking," and "Server"? Maybe stick to their functions: "You can print..." "You can search for things on the Internet..." Forget ipchains/iptables... Think of the top three things that a user wants to do. Show them how to do those three things, or even one of them, and they will feel like they accomplished something. > 5. Client and Networking Capabilities (file and print services, web > browsers, X, vnc, ipchains/iptables, ...) _________________________________________________________ This depth is for another audience or the future of this audience. > 6. System Administration Overview (file system layout, webmin, linuxconf, > vnc, ssh, distro specific tools, ...) You would spend all of your time defining what these terms mean, and no one in the audience is programming. > 7. Software Development (gcc, gdb, perl, python, java, CodeWarrior, > NetBeans, Kylix/Delphi, ...) Again, what is Oracle, what is DB2, what is Sybase, what are IDEs?... > 8. Commercial Software (Oracle, DB2, Sybase, games, IDEs, ...) > > It would also probably be a good idea to create a questionnaire for TCPC > members that asks which linux topics they would be most interested in > seeing for future presentations. How do they know what Linux topics are out there? How about "Name three things that you would like to know how to do, using a Linux machine, that you do not know how to do yet?" uak PS. This makes me imagine trying to teach a young kid violin by playing a recording of Perlman playing some flashy technical piece and you look to your student and say "See what you can do with your violin?!" From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Mon Dec 17 10:04:48 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question In-Reply-To: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> References: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20011217.14095200@gromit.> I always preferred Eclipt Roaster, finding it "more friendly" to work with. I'm not saying it's better, just that I liked the way it works better, "fits" in my brain better. Petre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/16/01, 9:37:47 PM, "Perry Hoekstra" wrote regarding [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question: > I recant my previous statement. I thought WinModems were only Lucent, > PCTel or some 3Com/Robotics chips. After ScanMan brought up the > Winmodem concept, I went to the Linmodem site and found my modem > configuration under the Controllerless. Aaaaaarrrrrgh! A scourge on > Windows-specific hardware. I, of cource, include HP in that curse with > their DeskJet and proprietary driver technology. > I apologize for taking up the bandwith. > By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on > how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website > promises a help file with the next release. > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Mon Dec 17 10:12:35 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: X-CD-Roast Was: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question In-Reply-To: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> Message-ID: > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on > how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website > promises a help file with the next release. I am assuming that _the_ website to which you are refering is: http://www.xcdroast.org/ uak From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Dec 17 10:43:16 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 root partition? In-Reply-To: <20011215195956.GA29611@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 01:59:56PM -0600 References: <20011215091810.473327e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011215195956.GA29611@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011217100146.G28211@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 01:59:56PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 09:18:10AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I added ext3 journals to my ext2 filesystems last night (finally > > upgraded to debian's 2.4.16 kernel), rebooted with an fstab reflecting > > the changes, and it almost worked. All of my filesystems except for / > > are mounted as ext3. The kernel detected the filesystem on my root > > partition as ext2. > > > > Is there an appropriate way to kick the kernel into mounting it as > > ext3? > > /etc/fstab needs to have the filetype "auto" instead of ext2 selected. > Also, ext3 has to be compiled monolithically into the kernel... no > modules. Not exactly true. I have an ext3 / and am using an ext3fs module. If you do so, you need to make an initrd image for your kernel. man mkinitrd. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Mon Dec 17 11:36:03 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008607000.2978.29.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Do you want presentations (Linux does this, this and this. The End.) or something more like a tutorial, where the guy would actually show how to do things? On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 07:12, Joel T Schneider wrote: > It would be a good idea for presenters to get together and assemble a list > of topics for a series of linux presentations. The following are some > linux topic ideas. > > 1. Comparison of Linux Distributions (RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, > Slackware, ...) > 2. Office Productivity Software (StarOffice, KOffice, AbiWord, OpenOffice, > ...) > 3. Desktop Environments (Gnome, KDE, WindowMaker, Sawmill, fvwm2, twm, > ...) > 4. Server Capabilities (web server, file server, print server, mail server > database server -- Apache, Samba, Sendmail, Postfix, Postgresql, MySQL, > InterBase/Firebird, ...) > 5. Client and Networking Capabilities (file and print services, web > browsers, X, vnc, ipchains/iptables, ...) > 6. System Administration Overview (file system layout, webmin, linuxconf, > vnc, ssh, distro specific tools, ...) > 7. Software Development (gcc, gdb, perl, python, java, CodeWarrior, > NetBeans, Kylix/Delphi, ...) > 8. Commercial Software (Oracle, DB2, Sybase, games, IDEs, ...) > > It would also probably be a good idea to create a questionnaire for TCPC > members that asks which linux topics they would be most interested in > seeing for future presentations. > > Count me in as someone willing to do presentations ("potential SIG > leader"). > > Joel > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 Terry Houle wrote: > > As President of the Twin Cities PC Users group I am going to try and devote > > one Saturday a month to Linux. Currently our Systems on Saturday group > > meets every Saturday in Bloomington near the Mall of America. Generally we > > discuss Windows since that is all most of us know or are trying to learn. I > > would like to include Linux once per month or at least on a periodic basis. > > It would all be dependent on someone to lead the SIG and share their Linux > > knowledge and skills with some of us want-a-bees. Great proficiency with > > Linux would not be required since anyone would probably know more than most > > of us. We have about 375 members and publish a monthly newsletter called > > the Digital Viking. A copy of the newsletter and more information about us > > could be found on our web site at: http://www.tcpc.com . > > It could be an opportunity for someone to enhance their speaking or teaching > > skills. We do have a projector but Linux is not on our machine at this time. > > Would be preferable if the person/s brough their own laptop to use. Our > > meeting room probably holds a max of 40 people and generally 20 may show up > > to most Saturday's. > > Assume it would be difficut for me to get a person to do it every month and > > would therfore like to develop a list of possible SIG leaders for a > > Saturday. That way there could be a rotation of some kind or possibly we > > just do it every few months depending on the number of people willing to do > > it. To not discourage our group it would be best just to use GUI and not > > the command line to scare people off. We meet from 9AM to about 11:30 AM. > > If you would like more clarification please contact me or to put your name > > on the list as a "potential SIG leader". Regretably no compensation is > > available except for the satifaction or skill development you get. > > > > > > Terry Houle > > President > > Twin Cities PC Users Group > > terry@tcpc.com > > http://www.tcpc.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter-clark at tides.com Mon Dec 17 11:38:50 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB weirdness Message-ID: <200112171642.fBHGgqw262768@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> I started testing out the 2.4.16 kernel a couple weeks ago when it first came out. I have compiled it several times without incident. Then, last Friday, I went to recompile it and suddenly USB doesn't work. The error message I get in /var/log/messages is: --- Dec 17 10:28:22 localhost kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 2 Dec 17 10:28:25 localhost kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Dec 17 10:28:25 localhost kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 3 Dec 17 10:28:28 localhost kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout -- This was when I plugged in my DiskOnKey, but the same thing happens when I plug in the printer or scanner. I've gone over all the usual suspect; I've alternately tried compiling mass storage, printer, and scanner support into the kernel or as modules. I switched between usb-uhci.o (the VIA chipset support) and uhci.o (the JE driver) with the same results. I compiled both as modules and tried loading and unloading each one in turn to see if I would get different results. I tried compiling verbose error messages into the kernel, just to see if I could get more of a clue, but the same error resulted. Google wasn't much help, either. Any ideas? TIA, :Peter From veldy at veldy.net Mon Dec 17 12:00:09 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP and Outlook/Netscape Message-ID: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> Hello all. I am trying to setup a system to allow a roaming profile for both addressbook and possible bookmarks (for web browser) using OpenLDAP. I am having an incredibly tough time finding any sort of useful documentation on how to set this up. I have clients that are using both Outlook Express and Netscape (for mail and web), with the possible addition of Outlook in the future. Can somebody point me to a link that provides a useful tutorial on setting this up? I have found the Linux HOWTO on this subject less than satisfactory (for instance, for the life of me, I can not delete data I have created -- hmm, in spite of password and proper DN configuration). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Dec 17 12:15:23 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] Debian stable In-Reply-To: <20011214161824.A5537@rephil.org> Message-ID: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:52PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > stable => Bush > > frozen => Gore > > unstable => Nader > > woody => Clinton Don't forget potato => Perot :-) -Brian From veldy at veldy.net Mon Dec 17 12:47:27 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow TCLUG lists? Message-ID: <00aa01c18723$964f5070$3028680a@tgt.com> I posted a question to this list over one hour ago and it still does not show in the archives and it has not been sent out to the list. Anybody comment on this? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From amy at real-time.com Mon Dec 17 12:56:10 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP and Outlook/Netscape In-Reply-To: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:14:24AM -0600 References: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011217120549.D24823@real-time.com> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:14:24AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > Hello all. > > I am trying to setup a system to allow a roaming profile for both > addressbook and possible bookmarks (for web browser) using OpenLDAP. I am > having an incredibly tough time finding any sort of useful documentation on > how to set this up. I have clients that are using both Outlook Express and > Netscape (for mail and web), with the possible addition of Outlook in the > future. > > Can somebody point me to a link that provides a useful tutorial on setting > this up? I have found the Linux HOWTO on this subject less than > satisfactory (for instance, for the life of me, I can not delete data I have > created -- hmm, in spite of password and proper DN configuration). I found this URL helpful: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/using.html I used it to setup a roaming server but haven't really tested it much. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From fritchie at snookles.com Mon Dec 17 12:57:37 2001 From: fritchie at snookles.com (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: Message of "Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:21:29 CST." Message-ID: <200112171806.fBHI6OC52297@snookles.snookles.com> Nothing quite like noticing an interesting thread half a week after it started. Note: I am not a physician. >>>>> "tw" == Timothy Wilson writes: tw> Hi everyone, Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some tw> very mild numbness and tingling in my left index finger. Also, it tw> occasionally twitches very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Yup. It's not "carpal tunnel syndrome", however, since the nerve that controls your pinkie and (part of?) ring finger doesn't go through the carpal tunnel in your wrist. Those fingers are controlled by the ulnar nerve, aka the "funny bone" nerve. tw> Is it time to shell out 300 clams on that Kinesis keyboard? tw> (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) Perhaps. I've noticed several other people who have mentioned that "ergo" keyboards are really expensive. 'Tis true, however ... ... I've been dealing with RSI for 5 years now. It started out as ulnar nerve problems: tingling progressing to numbness (!) in both pinkies, loss of grip strength. My Kinesis keyboard has helped deal with that problem. Are they expensive? Yup. Are they expensive compared to *not* being able to *work*? No way. Several other people here have mentioned that Keyboard X has helped solve their problems... ... but special keyboards aren't the only part of the solution. Several other people have mentioned setting up the entire work space correctly: monitor height, desk height, chair, etc. A funky keyboard won't help of those other things are dorked-up. YMMV, but I and several college buddies & colleagues who've had RSI problems have found that taking frequent breaks is very important. My wife almost always forgets to take breaks, and she regrets it at the end of a long work day mousing & typing. Many RSI problems seem to be related, to some degree, with circulation problems. Here's what I do, YMMV: 1. Take a lot of breaks, dammit! Set an egg timer. Use "xwrits", http://www.lcdf.org/xwrits/. Do whatever it takes to get your ass out of your chair on a regular basis. I'm recovering from tendinitis right now; I've had "xwrits" force me to take breaks every *20* minutes. When I'm healthy, it's every 55 minutes. 2. When you take a break, get up. Move around. Do not sit. You don't need to go jogging. The things I've found most useful to do are: a. Windmill my arms in both directions. The longer I take between doing this, the more my shoulders creak & pop when I do it. b. Shoulder shrugs, rotating in both directions. I'd do these as part of choir warmups, and they work well to help relax shoulder & upper back muscles at work, too. c. Refill my water/coffee/soda/whever beverage. d. Occasionally try to reach my toes to stretch my lower back. e. Take long lunch breaks, compensating by starting a bit earlier or working later. A single 8-9 hour work sprint is more likely to cause injury. 3. Know when to stop working for the day. This is *very* important. Most RSI injuries are injuries to "soft tissue": muscles, cartilage, tendons, nerves. Soft tissue injuries often take a long time to provoke 'cause they often can take a lot of abuse. But they get their revenge because they take much, much longer to heal: it's common to take 4-5 times longer to heal than it took to create the injury. So, if you're feeling tingling, numbness, or pain, you gotta stop. Right there. Now. If you continue to work, you're only going to make the injury worse. Keep that 4-5X healing time factor in mind if you're thinking of working through the pain: you're making a bargain with the devil.... 4. Anti-inflammatory drugs can help, for *limited* periods of time. Ibuprofen and sodium naproxin (spelling?), aka Advil and Alleve, can help lessen the symptoms. When taken on a regular basis, they can reduce the swelling that can make soft tissue injuries even worse. However, using these drugs is also a devil's bargain: they will dork-up your liver if you take them for long periods of time. Take the label seriously. Do *not* ignore the label, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. (Then, do **not** ignore your doctor.) Most soft tissue injuries have only one sure-fire treatment: don't use the affected tissues. At all. Nada. Nothing. Unfortunately, that isn't an option most of the time. I just started a new job. I couldn't take 3 weeks off to do nothing(*). Heck, I don't get 3 weeks of vacation per year. Instead, I've been doing *no* hobby hacking. I've been doing almost no personal email correspondence. I'm taking a huge number of breaks per day at work. I've been leaving work, quite early on some days, when my arms start to say, "You're done for the day". ... My tendinitis recovery is now in month #4. It sucks. Recovery is slow, waaaay to slow for impatient me. But it's *better* than the alternative. I've burned a lot of today's keystroke quota on this message, but I hope it helps. -Scott (*) Of course, my hobby is hacking code. Taking a vacation to do "nothing" means not hacking. That is damn difficult to do. "Nothing" also means not doing other things that can aggravate the soft tissue injury. Don't put a new rain gutter on the house: that weekend hurt. Don't recalk the bathtub: that evening hurt. Don't knead bread dough without a mixer: that evening hurt. Don't take a new surround sound amplifier out of its box: that evening hurt. ... When it comes to a bad RSI injury, doing "nothing" successfully is surprisingly difficult to do. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Dec 17 13:16:31 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ext3 root partition? In-Reply-To: <20011217100146.G28211@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <20011215091810.473327e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011215195956.GA29611@wookimus.net> <20011217100146.G28211@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011217122702.B4695@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [011217 10:48]: > do so, you need to make an initrd image for your kernel. man mkinitrd. (depending on which distribution your using, than could be a redhat-ism or a debian-ism. Or other -ism.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net The desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape. -Fortune Cookie From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Dec 17 14:17:48 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow TCLUG lists? In-Reply-To: <00aa01c18723$964f5070$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <00aa01c18723$964f5070$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <58659.198.74.20.78.1008616275.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> > I posted a question to this list over one hour ago and it still does > not show in the archives and it has not been sent out to the list. > Anybody comment on this? My best bet would be that that is because of the lkml archive injection, some emails do not make it for weeks sometimes, -munir > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 17 14:32:24 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question In-Reply-To: <1008562995.2978.6.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> <1008562995.2978.6.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011217193231.GC12442@wookimus.net> On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 10:23:14PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 21:37, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I, of cource, include HP in that curse with > > their DeskJet and proprietary driver technology. > > Proprietary? AFAIK, their drivers are Free Software. > http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ I believe Perry is referring to the cursed Deskjet 720/820/1020 Series. In order to use these color deskjet printers, you need to use the reverse engineered pnm2ppa drivers. Debian packages them (oh, wait...I'm the maintainer *grin*). And I believe you can find them at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pnm2ppa/ -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011217/3271c8d0/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Mon Dec 17 14:38:33 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP and Outlook/Netscape In-Reply-To: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:14:24AM -0600 References: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011217120644.E24823@real-time.com> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:14:24AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > Hello all. > > I am trying to setup a system to allow a roaming profile for both > addressbook and possible bookmarks (for web browser) using OpenLDAP. I am > having an incredibly tough time finding any sort of useful documentation on > how to set this up. I have clients that are using both Outlook Express and > Netscape (for mail and web), with the possible addition of Outlook in the > future. > > Can somebody point me to a link that provides a useful tutorial on setting > this up? I have found the Linux HOWTO on this subject less than > satisfactory (for instance, for the life of me, I can not delete data I have > created -- hmm, in spite of password and proper DN configuration). Sorry - try this URL instead: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Mon Dec 17 14:58:14 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP and Outlook/Netscape In-Reply-To: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <1008620625.2978.38.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Warning- don't use outlook! It's just one big, huge security hole. Eudora, Netscape Mail, Pegasus.... On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 11:14, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Hello all. > > I am trying to setup a system to allow a roaming profile for both > addressbook and possible bookmarks (for web browser) using OpenLDAP. I am > having an incredibly tough time finding any sort of useful documentation on > how to set this up. I have clients that are using both Outlook Express and > Netscape (for mail and web), with the possible addition of Outlook in the > future. > > Can somebody point me to a link that provides a useful tutorial on setting > this up? I have found the Linux HOWTO on this subject less than > satisfactory (for instance, for the life of me, I can not delete data I have > created -- hmm, in spite of password and proper DN configuration). > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 17 15:38:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <3C1D0E20.D3010A03@charter.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <3C1C3636.DB2072FE@charter.net> <20011216112332.4195af18.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3C1D0E20.D3010A03@charter.net> Message-ID: <20011217130450.50bd0845.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jeremy Wilson wrote: > > i checked with gamix. the CD volume is up . yet, no sound from the DVD > rom. the cdrecorder works fantastically. just the stupid DVD rom. as > for the utility for Linux for SB live. would i get that from the SB live > site??? At the moment, it looks like you have to get it through the CVS repository at opensource.creative.com. http://opensource.creative.com/cvs.html Just because Creative has that site doesn't mean that they help the developers a whole lot, unfortunately. But, in other news, someone finally found out how to get the infrared receiver on LiveDrive IRs (it came with the SB Live Platinum 5.1) and the Audigy's drive bay thing to work. The utility below doesn't do much -- just prints out the button you press on the remote, but it works. Funny that the IR port is a Midi device ;-) http://www.seaga.org/~mystran/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 22: Your request is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ only theoretically \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) possible. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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'cept Eudora can sometimes be caught using IE as the HTML rendering engine, which opens up a whole other can of worms.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I think I've forgotten this / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ before. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011217/8d8fd9c7/attachment.pgp From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 17 16:26:00 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <200112171853.fBHIrIT00348@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Maybe it would be a good idea to query the audience prior to each presentation, to assess their level of technical knowledge. We could prepare some slides that cover fundamental concepts and possibly skip those slides if the audience doesn't need them. My thinking was that each topic on the list would be a separate presentation. The audience for each topic could be different. For some topics (such as linux distros), it might be good to have multiple speakers, one for each sub-topic. Joel On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 uak@nerp.net wrote: > > I like this idea of a list of topics. Here is my added $.02: > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Joel T Schneider wrote: > > - Define "Operating System". > - What _is_ Linux. Perhaps a very short historical perspective > inserted here. > > Perhaps focus on what a user will _see_. Show them what you are talking > about. When I first started out, I found it frustrating to have a group > of hovering geeks talk about their Distro preferences. Chose one > and just start from there. [Maybe don't even tell them (unless they ask) > about other Distros at first.] You all can fight about which one it would > be (RH), but introduce new things to your audience gradually. They will > already see "very different" things if you show them different Desktop > Environments. You can introduce them to "a version of Linux called [your > disputed disto goes here]." Stay above the kernel for now. :) > > > 1. Comparison of Linux Distributions (RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, > > Slackware, ...) > > 2. Office Productivity Software (StarOffice, KOffice, AbiWord, OpenOffice, > > ...) > > 3. Desktop Environments (Gnome, KDE, WindowMaker, Sawmill, fvwm2, twm, > > ...) > > For some in this audience, you will have do define what a "server" is > before you go on to this topic. > > 4. Server Capabilities (web server, file server, print server, mail server > > database server -- Apache, Samba, Sendmail, Postfix, Postgresql, MySQL, > > InterBase/Firebird, ...) > > Can you speak of these topics in terms other than "Client," "Networking," > and "Server"? Maybe stick to their functions: > "You can print..." "You can search for things on the Internet..." > Forget ipchains/iptables... Think of the top three things that a user > wants to do. Show them how to do those three things, or even one of them, > and they will feel like they accomplished something. > > > 5. Client and Networking Capabilities (file and print services, web > > browsers, X, vnc, ipchains/iptables, ...) > > _________________________________________________________ > This depth is for another audience or the future of this audience. > > > 6. System Administration Overview (file system layout, webmin, linuxconf, > > vnc, ssh, distro specific tools, ...) > > You would spend all of your time defining what these terms mean, and no > one in the audience is programming. > > 7. Software Development (gcc, gdb, perl, python, java, CodeWarrior, > > NetBeans, Kylix/Delphi, ...) > > Again, what is Oracle, what is DB2, what is Sybase, what are IDEs?... > > 8. Commercial Software (Oracle, DB2, Sybase, games, IDEs, ...) > > > > It would also probably be a good idea to create a questionnaire for TCPC > > members that asks which linux topics they would be most interested in > > seeing for future presentations. > How do they know what Linux topics are out there? How about "Name three > things that you would like to know how to do, using a Linux > machine, that you do not know how to do yet?" > > uak > PS. This makes me imagine trying to teach a young kid violin by playing a > recording of Perlman playing some flashy technical piece and you look to > your student and say "See what you can do with your violin?!" From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 17 16:49:05 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: <01121516544400.00861@geezer> References: <01121516544400.00861@geezer> Message-ID: <01121717094301.00996@bleys> On Saturday 15 December 2001 16:54, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > I had a HHKB up in Duluth. For a long time our main server was in a cabinet > in the corner of one of the classrooms. In order to get Monitor, Keyboard, > and case in the space normally used by a 25" or 27" TV (it was a lockable > AV rolling cabinet.) We got a Happy Hacking Keyboard. Once you get used to > the "missing" keys or more correctly the overlays (shift, control, > function) that get you delete instead of backspace, arrow keys, etc its not > a bad little keyboard. (Emphasis on the little.) It's not quite as small, but I have an IBM keyboard with the touch stick in the middle of the keys like what their laptops have. I like it, but don't use it that often because of having a KVM switch. I brought it to the installfest, if some of you remember. It also has a plug on the bottom for in case if you want to use an external mouse. Shawn From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 17 17:22:34 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:21:29PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011217161505.Z21450@real-time.com> > Over the last week or so I've been experiencing some very mild numbness and > tingling in my left index finger. Also, it occasionally twitches > very slightly. Is this an early sign of RSI? Is it time to shell out 300 > clams on that Kinesis keyboard? (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) here's my experience with this sort of thing: 1. most important thing I've learned: keep your arms in line with your hands. i.e. if the back of your hand is in line with the back of your arm, you're 10x less likely to get RSI. - most standard keyboards are not amenable to this - most mice suck even worse. most of them force you to bend your wrist up, in order to cover the mouse with your fingers in the right place. 2. I was getting tingling and numbness in my right pinky finger, so I went out and bought a Kinesis Ergo Essential keyboard. CSI Ergonomics (www.csiergonomics.com) is a local company that sells them. $200, 6 weeks of practice later, it was a real improvement. it actually forced me to learn to type properly (rather than hunting-and-pecking really fast); and the wrist rests (actually palm rests, as it should be) keep my arms aligned properly for reduced strain (see item 1.). I think the Kinesis keyboards are a worthwhile thing; and I know of a bunch of other people who like them as well. they do take some learning; but once that's over with, you'll be glad you did it. the other nice thing is that they dissuade other people from using your keyboard. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Mon Dec 17 18:48:02 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions... Message-ID: When is the next meeting? When is the next Installfest? How would one update RPM's for security when all they have is a slow dial-up connection?? I would love to get all the latest updates of the packages I have installed on my system so I don't have any security holes, but it would take for ever over a modem connection. Is there a place I could take my computer and hook it up to a highspeed connection and do this? The Installfest would be an obvious place, but I missed the one in Dec. and it looks like we only have them every 4-5 months. Any ideas? Thanks Clinton Hegney c_hegney@gelco.com chegney@highstream.net From blayer at qwest.net Mon Dec 17 18:58:22 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hey Andy, re: CD-RW drives, laptop.. Message-ID: <20011217165733.2353b283.blayer@qwest.net> I can't locate your email address. Please mail me off-list when you get this, I need to ask you a few questions. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 17 19:50:43 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011217185521.2f2b22e6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bah.. forgot the URL: http://www.tummy.com/krud/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't buy furs, it takes / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ trees to make protest \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) signs. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011217/8fa38b08/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 17 19:51:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow TCLUG lists? In-Reply-To: <00aa01c18723$964f5070$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:52:22AM -0600 References: <00aa01c18723$964f5070$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011217185526.W8582@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > I posted a question to this list over one hour ago and it still does not > show in the archives and it has not been sent out to the list. Anybody > comment on this? Sure... % uptime 6:50pm up 52 days, 22:40, 1 user, load average: 11.44, 10.73, 10.31 Over 29,899 message enqueued for delivery. $ cat archives.real-time.com | grep '17/Dec/2001' | wc -l 3517488 Yes, that is 3.5 million hits just today. The box is very, very busy. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From phil at rephil.org Mon Dec 17 20:23:57 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions... In-Reply-To: ; from Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 04:46:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011217193755.A19861@rephil.org> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 04:46:38PM -0600, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > Is there a place I could take my computer and hook it up to a > highspeed connection and do this? The Installfest would be an > obvious place, but I missed the one in Dec. and it looks like we > only have them every 4-5 months. Any ideas? There are a couple of coffee houses / internet places that you could go, but I bet you can find another LUGnut who would let you borrow some bandwidth. I've got DSL at home, and would offer to let you come over, but after Christmas would probably be better. If no one can offer something sooner, e-mail me. Cheers, Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From houle at citilink.com Mon Dec 17 21:01:11 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <1008607000.2978.29.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Bob Tanner gave a presentation on Saturday. Now would like to move a little into the actual world and see some of it in action. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of ScanMan Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:37 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) Do you want presentations (Linux does this, this and this. The End.) or something more like a tutorial, where the guy would actually show how to do things? O > > > From wilson at visi.com Mon Dec 17 21:31:37 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow TCLUG lists? In-Reply-To: <20011217185526.W8582@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > I posted a question to this list over one hour ago and it still does not > > show in the archives and it has not been sent out to the list. Anybody > > comment on this? > > % uptime > 6:50pm up 52 days, 22:40, 1 user, load average: 11.44, 10.73, 10.31 > > Over 29,899 message enqueued for delivery. I must have missed it a few weeks ago, but at the risk of sounding like an idiot...what is this box doing anyway? I keep hearing about linux-kernel injections (sounds like some weird innoculation to me), but I don't recall hearing an explanation of exactly what was going on. Would someone enlighten me? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 17 21:32:33 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:07 2005 Subject: HP's fickleness (was Re: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question) In-Reply-To: <1008621248.2979.41.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> <1008562995.2978.6.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011217193231.GC12442@wookimus.net> <1008621248.2979.41.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011218024455.GB488@wookimus.net> Chewie wrote: > I believe Perry is referring to the cursed Deskjet 720/820/1020 > Series. In order to use these color deskjet printers, you need to use > the reverse engineered pnm2ppa drivers. Debian packages them (oh, > wait...I'm the maintainer *grin*). And I believe you can find them > at: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/pnm2ppa/ On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 02:34:07PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > Why would they open-source one driver, but force ppl to reverse engineer > the other one? It has to do with HP's unmovable position that providing the specs to the technology used in said DJ models would compromise the security of their position in the market. Why else do large companies play "hide the perl"? Consult the email archives for pnm2ppa for more details. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You could call your local cable company..... > > There are a couple of coffee houses / internet places that you could > go, but I bet you can find another LUGnut who would let you borrow > some bandwidth. I've got DSL at home, and would offer to let you come > over, but after Christmas would probably be better. If no one can > offer something sooner, e-mail me. > > Cheers, > Phil > > -- > "Trying to do something with your life is like > sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Based on the number of people who showed up last time, I say let's do again in the nearer future. Every other month instead of Q:ly? Ah!, and there is beer this week, isn't there? Jacque, where are you? uak On 17 Dec 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 19:37, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 04:46:38PM -0600, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > > > > Is there a place I could take my computer and hook it up to a > > > highspeed connection and do this? The Installfest would be an > > > obvious place, but I missed the one in Dec. and it looks like we > > > only have them every 4-5 months. Any ideas? > > You could call your local cable company..... From houle at citilink.com Mon Dec 17 22:34:54 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chaska LUG Message-ID: I understand there may be a new Linux User Group out in the Chaska or SW area. Does anyone know anything about them and if they have a website. From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 17 22:35:54 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011218034721.GA26584@wookimus.net> On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 01:49:29PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > What kind of users do you have at TCPC? Are they gamers? Office workers? > Hobbyists? "Power" users? Obviously some groups would be more interested > in Linux than others. > > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 11:05, Bill Layer wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:55:50 -0600 (CST) > > "Matt Wagner" wrote: ...[cut 45 lines of unreferenced text]... $%@$#%@^%%@#TDWFGEWFGH@!%%^!#@$ <--- Notice the NOISE. That's what 45 lines of unreferenced text is! PEOPLE! Edit your friggin emails. We all get a copy of every email sent to the list. If you're not replying to a direct quote, DON'T QUOTE! It's really simple. Go into your favorite email client and specify DON'T INCLUDE QUOTE BY DEFAULT. I'm getting highly motivated to start scoring emails based on Noise:Line ratio; destination: /dev/null. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011217/a0e82e89/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 17 22:37:00 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 07:53:06PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > Is ... your audio ... cable ... hooked up ... correctly .... ? > Do ... you have .... the .... proper software .... installed ... ? > Are ... all ... the ... elipses ... really ... neccesary ... ? > > On Sat, 2001-12-15 at 18:12, Jeremy Wilson wrote: > > anyone know how to fix a sound prob i'm having .... digital sound works > > on my pc all the time... but i have a DVDrom ... and a CDburner... both > > of which will not play sound... the pc recognizes the audio... and will > > open a CD player... but no sound... what's the deal.. > > > > SuSE7.3 > > sB live sound card > > > > also... my DVDrom will not play DVD's... and my CDburner... will not > > browse a cd... it just wants to burn... > > > > any help would be cool > > > > thanks > > > > jw > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ...how...about...all...the...extra...quoted...text.... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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People might buy their printers and use different drivers! > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 02:34:07PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > > Why would they open-source one driver, but force ppl to reverse engineer > > the other one? > > It has to do with HP's unmovable position that providing the specs to > the technology used in said DJ models would compromise the security of > their position in the market. Why else do large companies play "hide > the perl"? Consult the email archives for pnm2ppa for more details. From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Dec 17 23:17:21 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Eeeaaaasy Idiot Ben, easy! :) > > Will we have more frequent installfests? Based > on the number of people who showed up last time, I say let's do again in > the nearer future. Every other month instead of Q:ly? > Well the problem is that we don't always have a space for the installfest. So as space becomes available, installfests will be held. > Ah!, and there is beer this week, isn't there? Jacque, where are you? > Yes, we're working out some details. But fear not, there will be a beer meeting this week. :) ~j From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Mon Dec 17 23:21:01 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <20011218034721.GA26584@wookimus.net> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218034721.GA26584@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1008651533.2978.86.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> What's wrong, do you have a 5k disk quota on your mail server or something? As a flagrant display of insolence, I needlessly quote Chad C. Walstrom: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 01:49:29PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > > What kind of users do you have at TCPC? Are they gamers? Office workers? > > Hobbyists? "Power" users? Obviously some groups would be more interested > > in Linux than others. > > > > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 11:05, Bill Layer wrote: > > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:55:50 -0600 (CST) > > > "Matt Wagner" wrote: > > ...[cut 45 lines of unreferenced text]... > > $%@$#%@^%%@#TDWFGEWFGH@!%%^!#@$ <--- Notice the NOISE. That's what 45 > lines of unreferenced text is! PEOPLE! Edit your friggin emails. We > all get a copy of every email sent to the list. If you're not replying > to a direct quote, DON'T QUOTE! > > It's really simple. Go into your favorite email client and specify > DON'T INCLUDE QUOTE BY DEFAULT. I'm getting highly motivated to start > scoring emails based on Noise:Line ratio; destination: /dev/null. > From thomas at stderr.net Tue Dec 18 00:05:05 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 09:50:46PM -0600 References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011218060958.O96643@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 09:50:46PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: [Cut] > ...how...about...all...the...extra...quoted...text.... What about the all the text you sent once MORE! And all the OTHER mails. Why not try to give a nice hint in private mail instead of writing back to the list each time? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 18 00:06:28 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008652300.1687.10.camel@minime> On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 21:44, uak wrote: > Eeeaaaasy Idiot Ben, easy! :) It's nice to see I've progressed from "Asshole Ben" to "Idiot Ben" > Will we have more frequent installfests? Based > on the number of people who showed up last time, I say let's do again in > the nearer future. Every other month instead of Q:ly? Sounds fine to me. > Ah!, and there is beer this week, isn't there? Jacque, where are you? > Actually I'm working on this one with Jacque, if all goes well it'll be at "The Borealis" in dinkytown. The GM will hold a "Beer Tasting" for us. They have a ridiculous amount of different types of imported beers. Something for all tastes. Good food too! -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011218/1ddfa67a/attachment.pgp From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 18 00:07:40 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1008652388.2978.102.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 21:50, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > ...how...about...all...the...extra...quoted...text.... I know, don't you just love it! Here's some more for ya: On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 21:50, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah > blah blah! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Dec 18 00:25:46 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chaska LUG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011217234714.N3931-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> That would be cool for me! On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > I understand there may be a new Linux User Group out in the Chaska or SW > area. Does anyone know anything about them and if they have a website. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Tue Dec 18 00:37:34 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200112180604.fBI64Du24542@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > My thinking was that each topic on the list would be a separate > presentation. The audience for each topic could be different. For some > topics (such as linux distros), it might be good to have multiple > speakers, one for each sub-topic. I think this is a good idea. My objective is to bring a new user's experiences to the presentation. I don't want to deter the experts among us, but I feel it would be important to have someone with this perspective present at the meetings. From tl at assimilated.org Tue Dec 18 01:21:11 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) In-Reply-To: <1008651533.2978.86.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218034721.GA26584@wookimus.net> <1008651533.2978.86.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011218063023.GA7316@assimilated.org> On Dec 17 at 10:58PM ScanMan wrote: > What's wrong, do you have a 5k disk quota on your mail server or > something? mails are already a bit slow in arriving due to the kernel injection blah blah blah, and so on... a few kb snipped off of each email is the least we can do to help out :) -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Dec 18 02:52:13 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability References: Message-ID: <3BDFE617.A5076FEB@acm.org> "Bob W. Anderson" wrote: > Hi: > > I'm planning on getting a new computer and would appreciate any feedback > re: the Linux compatibility of the hardware. > > Athlon 1.2G-C CPU with K7S5a mb, heatsink, fan. > 512MB PC2100 DDR memory > GeForce2 MX 400 64MB AGP Video card > IBM 40G 7200 rpm HD > Mid Tower ATX Case w/AMD approved 300w PS Spend the money and get a case that is well laid out. Most overlooked part of most builds, seems like. I have a full tower that is poorly laid out and it has cost me many, many hours of work trying to fit new hardware in. Paul From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 18 07:36:01 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) For TCLUG: M$ Antitrust/Intellectual property Message-ID: <20011218125528.GD14033@fandre.com> ----- Forwarded message from pj2-455 ----- As many of you may be aware from /. and other sources, the public comment period on the Microsoft Antritrust case is currently open. In addition, there are many issues regarding Intellectual Property which are currently critically important. In response to these issues, a new group has formed for three purposes: pass along information on the Microsoft Antritrust commenting period, pass those along to the MN Attorney General's office to assist in their non-settlement with Microsoft, and to host an Intellectual Property Summit here in the Cities sometime in the Spring. To faciltite these, a group has formed on Yahoogroups: "MN intellectual property rights summit." The website is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mnipsummit/ and from there you can sign up for the mailing list, and once you're a member you can access the archive of what has gone before. Please feel free to join us. If you don't care to join us, the MS/DOJ settlement is here: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f9400/9495.htm http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms-settle.htm#submit Information on how to actually comment, including snail/e-mail addresses and fax numbers. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_index.htm I think this is the main index for all of the MS/DOJ documentation that is currently on-line. Sincerely, Karen Swanberg ----- End forwarded message ----- From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Dec 18 08:15:26 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: X-CD-Roast Was Message-ID: <3C1F416B.D29680DB@uswest.net> >From: "uak" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" >Subject: X-CD-Roast Was: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:28:00 -0600 (CST) > > > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on > > how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website > > promises a help file with the next release. >I am assuming that _the_ website to which you are refering is: >http://www.xcdroast.org/ Yes, I did look at the site. All that is there is a FAQ which is of almost no help whatsoever. I was hopeing someone knew of an online Linux Journal article or something along those lines that explained the program. I tried to Google but the sheer amount of material made it almost impossible to find anything useful. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Dec 18 08:54:56 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (jspinti@dart.dartdist.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chaska LUG In-Reply-To: <20011217234714.N3931-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> from "Shane Kinney" at Dec 18, 1 02:19:27 am Message-ID: <10112181342.AA17350@dart.dartdist.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 401 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011218/08668033/attachment.pot From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Dec 18 09:33:13 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (Tim Neu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: X-CD-Roast Was In-Reply-To: <3C1F416B.D29680DB@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Yes, I did look at the site. All that is there is a FAQ which is of > almost no help whatsoever. I was hopeing someone knew of an online > Linux Journal article or something along those lines that explained the > program. I tried to Google but the sheer amount of material made it > almost impossible to find anything useful. I know this is going to sound weird, but here goes anyway. Have you tried XCDRoast? It is so easy to use, it's no wonder that no one has bothered to document it. It is easier than most windows CD-ROM burning software packages to use. My brother in law used XCDRoast to make Music Collection CDs without ever having seen a CD-ROM burner before. (he was barely PC literate at the time) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- All of the problems associated with Intellectual property can easily be resolved by keeping those who believe in it on a strict diet of Intellectual bread and water. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from tl@assimilated.org on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:30:23AM -0600 References: <20011215224851.A8677@rephil.org> <15388.50182.462408.960063@cash.mwagner.org> <20011216110510.68cfacdd.blayer@qwest.net> <1008532169.2421.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218034721.GA26584@wookimus.net> <1008651533.2978.86.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218063023.GA7316@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011218093325.A813@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:30:23AM -0600, tim lupfer wrote: > On Dec 17 at 10:58PM ScanMan wrote: > > What's wrong, do you have a 5k disk quota on your mail server or > > something? > > mails are already a bit slow in arriving due to the kernel injection The main reason it annoys me is because, if you don't trim your quotes, then I have to scroll through 5000 pages of quoted text in order to find out whether any of it is referenced or not. Quite obnoxious. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From nate at techie.com Tue Dec 18 10:36:10 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: X-CD-Roast Was In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 08:30:22AM -0600 References: <3C1F416B.D29680DB@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20011218094618.A3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 08:30:22AM -0600, Tim Neu wrote: > Have you tried XCDRoast? It is so easy to use, it's no wonder that no one > has bothered to document it. > > It is easier than most windows CD-ROM burning software packages to use. Another "easy to use" cd burning package is gcombust. I don't know why I picked it over xcdroast, but IMHO it's really easy to use and works well. Nate From nate at techie.com Tue Dec 18 11:50:10 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material Message-ID: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 For the sake of everyone on the list. Please read the above document. If you decide not to follow the guidelines therein, you will be marked as a troll and treated accordingly. Thank you, Nate Straz From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Tue Dec 18 12:53:15 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: X-CD-Roast Was In-Reply-To: <20011218094618.A3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <3C1F416B.D29680DB@uswest.net> <20011218094618.A3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200112181751.fBIHpJu24854@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > Another "easy to use" cd burning package is gcombust. I don't know why > I picked it over xcdroast, but IMHO it's really easy to use and works > well. Heck if your using KDE try KonCD. It is super easy to use and I have found it to be very stable. It also recognizes IDE devices. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 18 13:01:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material In-Reply-To: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 11:01:05AM -0600 References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 11:01:05AM -0600, Nate Straz wrote: > http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 > > For the sake of everyone on the list. Please read the above document. > If you decide not to follow the guidelines therein, you will be marked > as a troll and treated accordingly. Please note that, in violation of the referenced RFC's guideline that text should be wrapped at 65 or fewer characters, your previous message included two lines of 71 characters each. I guess that makes you a troll... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Dec 18 13:29:58 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux trainers wanted (SIG Leader) Message-ID: No, I think he is objecting to having to look over the email on the off chance that the sender inserted some text there or had some good reason for including it at all. Including usless text doesn't just waste bandwidth, it wastes other peoples time. Seen in that light, it's a rude affront to the rules of netiquette. My $0.02. >>> scanman@scanman.mine.nu 12/17/01 10:58PM >>> What's wrong, do you have a 5k disk quota on your mail server or something? From fertch at mninter.net Tue Dec 18 14:10:20 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Modem Question In-Reply-To: <1008562995.2978.6.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <3C1D688B.B258F598@uswest.net> <1008562995.2978.6.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <01121813473602.00743@bleys> On Sunday 16 December 2001 22:23, ScanMan wrote: > On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 21:37, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I, of cource, include HP in that curse with > > their DeskJet and proprietary driver technology. > > Proprietary? AFAIK, their drivers are Free Software. > http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ Was going to say that I just bought an HP Deskjet 630c printer for $35 from CompUSA. Mandrake said it was compatible. > > > By the way, anyone know where I can find a website with instructions on > > how to use Xcdroast? None come with the software and the website > > promises a help file with the next release. > > I found gcombust much easier to use. > http://freshmeat.net/projects/gcombust/ Cool, need to look at this once I get my burner into my desktop asap... Shawn From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 18 14:42:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Friggin' laser --- printer Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D254@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone have an extra laser printer with network port they'd like to get rid of cheap? I don't have a printer at home, and it would be very nice to have one. I don't need color or anything, just a decent quality printer with an ethernet port. Jay From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Dec 18 15:21:41 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound probs... In-Reply-To: <1008652388.2978.102.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> <1008652388.2978.102.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011218142934.08faf440.spencer@autonomous.tv> Isn't this just getting ridiculous???? can't we all just get a long [lart] sylpheedCLAWS rawks btw On 17 Dec 2001 23:13:08 -0600 "ScanMan" wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 21:50, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > ...how...about...all...the...extra...quoted...text.... > > I know, don't you just love it! > Here's some more for ya: > > On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 21:50, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah > > blah blah! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > > blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Tue Dec 18 17:41:17 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material In-Reply-To: <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org> References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <1008715531.2978.138.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 12:07, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Please note that, in violation of the referenced RFC's guideline > that text should be wrapped at 65 or fewer characters, your > previous message included two lines of 71 characters each. I > guess that makes you a troll... Not only this, but, he did not include his e-mail address in his signature. He has now made 2 voilations in just one post; he is obviously a troll. His was one of the most offensive messages I have ever read! Not only are these rules way too strict, there are so many I can't even remember them all. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 18 18:15:29 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] RSI symptoms In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 08:51:41AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011218104047.L13651@real-time.com> > Finding a laptop keyboard that didn't "suck" took > a lot of time and effort on my part. Next time I will try > to do a search on laptop vendors and delegate the > task. what laptop did you eventually settle on? I liked Phil Mendelsohn's comment that if you keep your wrists up; it makes a world of difference in wrist strain. This goes along with my experience that keeping one's hands in line with one's arms, makes the difference in getting or not getting wrist strain. But as someone else pointed out, yeah; it takes a lot more effort. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Dec 18 18:49:53 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] RSI symptoms Message-ID: <011218182910.23604dae@dcmir.med.umn.edu> I've taken the keyboard and tilted it 45 deg downward when it got really bad. Helped quite a bit. Cumbersome at first, but somewhat useful after you get used to it. For me, at least, the worst seems to be having your wrists bent backwards, even slightly. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Dec 18 19:36:58 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <000701c187ef$3641cce0$47646496@dart> - Mail should have a subject heading which reflects the content of the message. Better mark almost everybody on the list as a troll then :) James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Straz" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material > http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 > > For the sake of everyone on the list. Please read the above document. > If you decide not to follow the guidelines therein, you will be marked > as a troll and treated accordingly. > > Thank you, > Nate Straz From nate at techie.com Tue Dec 18 19:48:25 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material In-Reply-To: <1008715531.2978.138.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain>; from scanman@scanman.mine.nu on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 04:45:31PM -0600 References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org> <1008715531.2978.138.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011218194002.A12814@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 04:45:31PM -0600, ScanMan wrote: > Not only are these rules way too strict, there are so many I > can't even remember them all. If you want to get some historical perspective and reactions to this RFC, search Google Groups from October 1995 on for "RFC 1855." I think it would be an interesting short research paper to see what kind of comments this RFC got and what revisions might be made to bring it up to date. Nate nate@techie.com :P From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Dec 18 20:38:55 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material In-Reply-To: <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600 References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011218132518.A18374@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 11:01:05AM -0600, Nate Straz wrote: > > http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 > > > > For the sake of everyone on the list. Please read the above document. > > If you decide not to follow the guidelines therein, you will be marked > > as a troll and treated accordingly. > > Please note that, in violation of the referenced RFC's guideline > that text should be wrapped at 65 or fewer characters, your > previous message included two lines of 71 characters each. I > guess that makes you a troll... LMAO! http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p45.html -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <000701c187ef$3641cce0$47646496@dart> References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <000701c187ef$3641cce0$47646496@dart> Message-ID: <20011219021440.GA4316@assimilated.org> On Dec 18 at 12:09PM James Spinti wrote: > > - Mail should have a subject heading which reflects > the content of the message. > Better mark almost everybody on the list as a troll then :) Huh? -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain From nate at techie.com Tue Dec 18 21:31:27 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Important reading material In-Reply-To: <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600 References: <20011218110105.B3676@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011218120737.D813@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011218134259.A14292@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 11:01:05AM -0600, Nate Straz wrote: > > http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 > > > > For the sake of everyone on the list. Please read the above document. > > If you decide not to follow the guidelines therein, you will be marked > > as a troll and treated accordingly. > > Please note that, in violation of the referenced RFC's guideline > that text should be wrapped at 65 or fewer characters, your > previous message included two lines of 71 characters each. I > guess that makes you a troll... Heh heh, and I even read that portion before sending. :P The concensus I've seen from other mailing lists (mostly linux-kernel) is that as long as you don't go over 80 characters per line, you won't get yelled at. I've set my line length to 72 because it fills most of the terminal window and gives a few people some room to quote me before it pushes 80 characters and gets annoying. But if you're still quoting something from 5 emails ago, the discussion probably hasn't moved very far. Nate Marked as a troll for violating the line length rule in http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Dec 18 21:45:55 2001 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP and Outlook/Netscape References: <007101c1871e$46dc0ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> <1008620625.2978.38.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011217150857.0b3c17ee.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3C1F9EEF.78E7D6B2@citilink.com> I've also found that under certain instances Eudora's html engine doesn't display all of a message sent from outpuke unless you turn on the outlook viewer. Very annoying! No response from Qualcomm when they were notified of the bug either... Christopher Gahlon Mike Hicks wrote: > > ScanMan wrote: > > > > Warning- don't use outlook! It's just one big, huge security hole. > > Eudora, Netscape Mail, Pegasus.... > > 'cept Eudora can sometimes be caught using IE as the HTML rendering > engine, which opens up a whole other can of worms.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I think I've forgotten this > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ before. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Dec 18 21:53:13 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Friggin' laser --- printer In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D254@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: someone wwas trying to get rid of an old 486 server at the installfest (sorry but i am bad with names, speak up man!) now you only need a printer, get the $50 HP Deskjet 630 that was mentioned in another email and you are good to go, if you absolutely need laser try Materials Processing or junkyard for older LJ 3s and 4s -munir On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have an extra laser printer with network port they'd like to get > rid of cheap? I don't have a printer at home, and it would be very nice to > have one. I don't need color or anything, just a decent quality printer > with an ethernet port. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From jack at jacku.com Tue Dec 18 21:55:27 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Friggin' laser --- printer In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D254@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D254@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01121821470000.00847@geezer> On Tuesday 18 December 2001 13:44, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have an extra laser printer with network port they'd like to > get rid of cheap? I don't have a printer at home, and it would be very > nice to have one. I don't need color or anything, just a decent quality > printer with an ethernet port. > > Jay I was in the MPC Surplus Store today for other reasons, but I think they had some laser printers. Don't know about price or ethernet ports. But they might also have a cheap printserver box to go with it. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From blayer at qwest.net Tue Dec 18 23:44:56 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Friggin' laser --- printer In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D254@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D254@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011218152325.3c730a9c.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:44:11 -0600 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Does anyone have an extra laser printer with network port they'd like to get> rid of cheap? I don't have a printer at home, and it would be very nice to> have one. I don't need color or anything, just a decent quality printer> with an ethernet port. Have spare Okidata OL series LED (laser) page printers.. but neither has the ethernet port.. Maybe you can find an HP JetDirect or a ethernet port for the Okidata (?) -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From pauljrech at acm.org Wed Dec 19 02:41:35 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? References: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BDFE872.10E14AC3@acm.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011030/tc/tech_intel_napster_dc_2.html > > "In any case, using Linux is not much cheaper than Windows 2000. Although Linux > as an operating system is free, the real costs are related to the computers, and > support and maintenance, he said." > > I might be blinded by by religion and this group my not have the ability to let > the religion go, but can anyone look outside the box on this and comment? > > My perspective is Linux is much cheaper then Windows. Even if you pay for a > distro you are starting out ahead. Add the virus resistence, stability, > reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be have a better TOC then > Win2k. Linux is far cheaper in the place your expenses are highest. Labor. Every single UNIX/Linux shop I've been too, in 13 years in IT, did more with fewer people. At least a 2 to 1 ratio, but usually higher. This is a complete myth perpetuated by Windows people to justify their poor systems. From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Dec 19 08:29:28 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Friggin' laser --- printer References: Message-ID: <003b01c18893$074c5e60$1e02a8c0@zippy> Free to a good home: 66 mhz - 486 box, 20 mb memory, ~300 mb disk, 3 & 5" floppies, 10T NIC card, Nice BIG case, Caldara open linux installed. Add serial mouse, monitor and away you go - slowly. markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net someone wwas trying to get rid of an old 486 server at the installfest (sorry but i am bad with names, speak up man!) From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Dec 19 09:38:12 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft and security (now that's an oxymoron!) References: <003b01c18893$074c5e60$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <000601c1889e$1da13900$47646496@dart> Good article/editorial on M$ lack of security, etc. in this week's Network Computing Online: http://www.nwc.com/buzzcut/bc16dec01.html James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Dec 19 10:27:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq Message-ID: I got a really funny e-mail from Novell this morning. Novell has launched Netware 6 and in Novell's words, "Here we go again. Another release of NetWare, another round of misinformation from you-know-who". Well, Novell has decided to fight back and set up a forum for the sole purpose of anti-MS ranting. Each week the best rant is picked and the poster wins an iPaq courtesy of Novell. www.whytheylie.com -Brian From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Dec 19 10:42:20 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [NORLUG] vote vote vote] Message-ID: <3C20B6E2.105@sodatrain.com> Got this off the Northfield LUG list... Go vote! -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: John Abbott Subject: [NORLUG] vote vote vote Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:34:20 -0600 (CST) Size: 2362 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/c4936335/NORLUGvotevotevote.mht From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Wed Dec 19 11:21:59 2001 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question Message-ID: Hi all, I would be most grateful for any help with this as I know just enough to be truly dangerous. I'll try to be brief but I have a number of questions. I have a dual boot RedHat Linux 7.2 / Win98 system. It is a long story, but I am currently left with an area of unpartitioned space in the "middle" of my hard drive. I'd like to fill at least part of it with a FAT32 partition readable by both systems. The installation guide, being a bit useless, simply says to use fdisk. Possibly useful machine-specific info is at the bottom of this message. My questions are: 1) The new partition need not be bootable; can I ignore this 1024 cylinder limit thing then? 2) Does my version of Win98 or my bios place restrictions on the size of the partition I can create? Where would I look to find an answer? 3) I tentatively tried to use RH's fdisk to create a new partition but didn't save the partition table. I couldn't see how to make it of type "Win95 VFAT" rather than of type "Linux". Should this be a worry or does this change after somehow formatting the new partition? Maybe what I need is a rough outline of which commands I need to consider executing? Note, RH 7.2 doesn't seem to ship with cfdisk, more's the pity. 4) For example, what is the linux command for "formatting" the drive as FAT32? 5) When I create this new partition, the linux drive assignments hda1 -- hda9 or so won't be in order based on the cylinders they occupy. I can reorder this using fdisk. Should I? If so, I realize I will have to change my /etc/fstab to reflect the new numbering. Are there any other places I'd need to change things? I use grub as a boot loader; since /boot and / won't move I assume it will still work regardless. 6) My hope is that if I ever need to increase the size of /, I could use partition magic to reduce the size of the new windows partition and then do a linux reinstall and create a new, larger / (likely to occur only in a future upgrade of the operating system from cdrom). I only have partition magic ver 4, but would upgrade to 5 if that is necessary. Would this work or is this a bad idea? People tend to avoid making promises about fips, but would fips be a better alternative? Thanks very much for any help on any of the above. Rob "I'm not a systems administrator, I just play one at home" Leduc ---------- Award bios version 4.51 copywrite 1998 Win98 version 4.something, RedHat Linux 7.2. The bios reports the hard drive is working in LBA mode. Linux fdisk reports the partition table as disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2055 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065*512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 268 215678+ b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 269 2055 14354077+ 5 Extended /dev/hda5 269 274 48132 83 Linux (my /boot) /dev/hda6 275 835 4506201 83 Linux (my / ) /dev/hda7 1415 1447 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda8 1448 2055 4883728+ 83 Linux (my /home) It is perhaps not too late to consider a totally different partitioning scheme, except that I'd like to keep hda1 and hda8 from getting trashed. From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Wed Dec 19 12:50:55 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report Message-ID: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Just thought I would pass this along: To my complete suprise I was contacted and interviewed via email/phone, by David LaGesse from US News and World Report for an article he is writing concerning Linux and opensource software. As a part of his research, he is exclusively running Mandrake Linux at work for two weeks on his desktop while being networked to the company LAN. The article will tackle the question if Linux and opensource software has made progress in the desktop user arena. Something like: "can joe user install and use Linux and opensource software at home without being a *nix guru or dual booting constanly into Windows for better applications." He was a complete newbie, but thus far reports little trouble getting along without Microsoft products. From our conversation, he seemed to have a positive experience with Linux and opensource applications. Good news... From blayer at qwest.net Wed Dec 19 13:10:14 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011219121513.549d7884.blayer@qwest.net> (Reader's note: I'm in a really foul mood until further notice. Film at 11.) On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:28:29 -0600 (CST) "Brian" wrote: > I got a really funny e-mail from Novell this morning. Novell has launched> Netware 6 and in Novell's words, "Here we go again. Another release of> NetWare, another round of misinformation from you-know-who". So with Netware 6 - what are the options for Linux client access? Is there a supported NetWare client yet? -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Dec 19 14:22:17 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Netware 6 Crossplatform Details Message-ID: Yeah, does anyone know if NSS has stabilized (not "You can use it, but you can't do this or that yet") and does it have good VFAT, NFS, and HFS personalities yet. Will it come with NFS, SMB, and Appletalk server modules that don't suck (like interacting strangely with other software or service packs). I am curious and have no recent information. >>> blayer@qwest.net 12/19/01 12:15PM >>> So with Netware 6 - what are the options for Linux client access? Is there a supported NetWare client yet? From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 19 14:41:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: Fwd: Re: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question Message-ID: <20011219134506.B13414@iucha.net> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 10:17:31AM -0600, Robert Leduc wrote: > > number of questions. I have a dual boot RedHat Linux 7.2 / Win98 > system. It is a long story, but I am currently left with an area > of unpartitioned space in the "middle" of my hard drive. I'd like > to fill at least part of it with a FAT32 partition readable by > both systems. > > The installation guide, being a bit useless, simply says to use > fdisk. Possibly useful machine-specific info is at the bottom of > this message. My questions are: > > 1) The new partition need not be bootable; can I ignore this > 1024 cylinder limit thing then? Yes. > 2) Does my version of Win98 or my bios place restrictions on the > size of the partition I can create? Where would I look to find > an answer? No. Down. > 3) I tentatively tried to use RH's fdisk to create a new > partition but didn't save the partition table. I couldn't see > how to make it of type "Win95 VFAT" rather than of type "Linux". > Should this be a worry or does this change after somehow > formatting the new partition? Maybe what I need is a rough > outline of which commands I need to consider executing? Note, RH > 7.2 doesn't seem to ship with cfdisk, more's the pity. In fdisk type t for "type" and then select b for "Win95 FAT32". > 4) For example, what is the linux command for "formatting" the > drive as FAT32? mkdosfs > 5) When I create this new partition, the linux drive assignments > hda1 -- hda9 or so won't be in order based on the cylinders they > occupy. I can reorder this using fdisk. Nope. Partition Magic can do it. > Should I? Nope. > If so, I > realize I will have to change my /etc/fstab to reflect the new > numbering. Are there any other places I'd need to change things? Nope. > I use grub as a boot loader; since /boot and / won't move I > assume it will still work regardless. Yes. > 6) My hope is that if I ever need to increase the size of /, I > could use partition magic to reduce the size of the new windows > partition and then do a linux reinstall and create a new, larger > / (likely to occur only in a future upgrade of the operating > system from cdrom). I only have partition magic ver 4, but would > upgrade to 5 if that is necessary. Would this work or is this a > bad idea? People tend to avoid making promises about fips, but > would fips be a better alternative? Do you keep all the eggs in the same partition? That's bad... If you need more space just mount the new partititon in /home, /var, whatever (of course after copying the old stuff onto it). > Thanks very much for any help on any of the above. You're welcome! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/db3d6059/attachment.pgp From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Dec 19 14:44:48 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question In-Reply-To: ; from robertl@ccbr.umn.edu on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 10:17:31AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011219135902.B16365@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 10:17:31AM -0600, Robert Leduc wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would be most grateful for any help with this as I know just > enough to be truly dangerous. I'll try to be brief but I have > a number of questions. I have a dual boot RedHat Linux 7.2 / > Win98 system. It is a long story, but I am currently left with > an area of unpartitioned space in the "middle" of my hard > drive. I'd like to fill at least part of it with a FAT32 > partition readable by both systems. > > The installation guide, being a bit useless, simply says to use > fdisk. Possibly useful machine-specific info is at the bottom > of this message. My questions are: > > 1) The new partition need not be bootable; can I ignore this > 1024 cylinder limit thing then? Yep. > > 2) Does my version of Win98 or my bios place restrictions on > the size of the partition I can create? Where would I look to > find an answer? Mostly depends on how old your machine is. If fairly recent vintage, you should be OK. I notice your BIOS is Award from 1998. Check the Award site. Perhaps there are BIOS updates. Perhaps there is documentation to let you know how large a partition you can create. My daughter's system only allowed 8GB partitions until I upgraded her BIOS. > > 3) I tentatively tried to use RH's fdisk to create a new > partition but didn't save the partition table. I couldn't see > how to make it of type "Win95 VFAT" rather than of type > "Linux". Should this be a worry or does this change after > somehow formatting the new partition? Maybe what I need is a > rough outline of which commands I need to consider executing? > Note, RH 7.2 doesn't seem to ship with cfdisk, more's the pity. Press 't' in fdisk to change a partition type. 'L' lists the available types of partitions. Type 'c' is a Win95 Fat32 partition. > > 4) For example, what is the linux command for "formatting" the > drive as FAT32? Check out 'mkdosfs'. You will type something like: mkdosfs -v -F 32 /dev/hdax > > 5) When I create this new partition, the linux drive > assignments hda1 -- hda9 or so won't be in order based on the > cylinders they occupy. I can reorder this using fdisk. Should > I? If so, I realize I will have to change my /etc/fstab to > reflect the new numbering. Are there any other places I'd need > to change things? I use grub as a boot loader; since /boot and > / won't move I assume it will still work regardless. Don't need to worry about the order of the drive assignments. Leave them alon with hda9 in the middle. It will work fine. > > 6) My hope is that if I ever need to increase the size of /, I > could use partition magic to reduce the size of the new windows > partition and then do a linux reinstall and create a new, > larger / (likely to occur only in a future upgrade of the > operating system from cdrom). I only have partition magic ver > 4, but would upgrade to 5 if that is necessary. Would this > work or is this a bad idea? People tend to avoid making > promises about fips, but would fips be a better alternative? I think that is Partition Magic is a good way to go. Check the docs to make sure it will do what you want. > > Thanks very much for any help on any of the above. > > Rob "I'm not a systems administrator, I just play one at home" Leduc > ---------- > Award bios version 4.51 copywrite 1998 > Win98 version 4.something, RedHat Linux 7.2. > > The bios reports the hard drive is working in LBA mode. > > Linux fdisk reports the partition table as > > disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2055 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065*512 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 268 215678+ b Win95 FAT32 > /dev/hda2 269 2055 14354077+ 5 Extended > /dev/hda5 269 274 48132 83 Linux (my /boot) > /dev/hda6 275 835 4506201 83 Linux (my / ) > /dev/hda7 1415 1447 265041 82 Linux swap > /dev/hda8 1448 2055 4883728+ 83 Linux (my /home) > > It is perhaps not too late to consider a totally different > partitioning scheme, except that I'd like to keep hda1 and hda8 > from getting trashed. > -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dacross at nwc.edu Wed Dec 19 14:46:53 2001 From: dacross at nwc.edu (David Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report In-Reply-To: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> My guess is that he'll run into trouble spots with streaming media, and any java applications in a browser. RealPlayer for Linux stinks. It crashes RH 7.2 EVERY time, even during the install. Of course there is no Windows Media player, so I have no options but .mp3 downloads. Nothing streaming. Configuring java with Konqeror is no joy and even when it is finished I find that the blank gray boxes that should be applets or .jsps are a common problem with Sun's java. Netscape 4.x does fine, but Netscape 6.2 can't run it's own java installer and Konqeror dead ends with the aforementioned problem. Using it on a network? Not even Novell's iFolder or iPrint applets work, so are Linux distros keeping up with where networking is moving? I love Linux, but these are some distinct problems that will keep a lot of users away with MS JVM and Windows Media Player ready to go with IE. On Wednesday 19 December 2001 12:03 pm, you wrote: > Just thought I would pass this along: > > To my complete suprise I was contacted and interviewed via email/phone, by > David LaGesse from US News and World Report for an article he is writing > concerning Linux and opensource software. As a part of his > research, he is exclusively running Mandrake Linux at work for two weeks on > his desktop while being networked to the company LAN. The article will > tackle the question if Linux and opensource software has made progress in > the desktop user arena. Something like: "can joe user install and use > Linux and opensource software at home without being a *nix guru or dual > booting constanly into Windows for better applications." He was a complete > newbie, but thus far reports little trouble getting along without Microsoft > products. From our conversation, he seemed to have a positive experience > with Linux and opensource applications. Good news... > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- David Cross http://web.nwc.edu/~dacross Email to Pager: 6125792680@page.metrocall.com Telephone: (651) OAT-DIET Fax: (253) 322-3223 *********************** What Life Means to Me As a high school student I discovered I wanted more than where my life was heading. Even though I didn't drink alcohol, I went to drinking parties each weekend and they became my life. I loved the party atmosphere and the feeling of getting away with something. I found that the rest of the week was just space that had to be filled so that I could get to the weekend. Strangely enough, some friends challenged me to read the Bible for half an hour each day and I took them up on it. When I read the Bible I realized that my life was really empty. The best thing about my life was simply going to these parties, but I wanted more than that. As I read the Bible, I realized more than just the emptiness of my life. I realized that if I gave my life to Jesus Christ, I could get a grip on meaning in my life and I could even help others. One of the struggles I had with this was that I didn't like church. I'd never found a church that was the "perfect church" and I didn't have an interest in looking. However, those same friends that challenged me to read the Bible challenged me to try going to church each week. I decided that since those friends were right about reading the Bible and the meaning that Jesus gave my life, I guessed they might be right about church, too, so I gave it a try. I went to church with those friends and I found a real place that I loved to be. I loved learning so much about Christ that my half hour Bible reading grew into hours each day. I finally felt that I had found the meaning that I was looking for. It wasn't because I was reading so much or because I went to my church's youth group. The meaning I found was in learning so much more about Jesus Christ each time I opened the Bible or met with other Christians. Jesus became my closest friend and I wanted to spend as much time with Him as I could. One thing that I knew I needed to leave behind was the wild parties. Surprisingly, God helped me to leave them all at once. He even gave me the chance to tell some of my friends from those parties about Christ and Christ changed some of their lives, too. Honestly, Christ has given me a reason to live. The change he has made in my life is dramatic proof that He is real and that He made me new just as the Bible says He would do. I know the difference He has made in my life, so I want to give others the truth that makes people new. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 19 15:09:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D262@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Sweet, for bashing MS, you win an Ipaq complete with an MS operating system on it. Maybe they should have wiped them and installed linux before giving them out. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:15 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq > > > (Reader's note: I'm in a really foul mood until further > notice. Film at > 11.) > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:28:29 -0600 (CST) > "Brian" wrote: > > > I got a really funny e-mail from Novell this morning. Novell has > launched> Netware 6 and in Novell's words, "Here we go again. Another > release of> NetWare, another round of misinformation from > you-know-who". > > So with Netware 6 - what are the options for Linux client > access? Is there a supported NetWare client yet? > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Wed Dec 19 15:11:44 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Message-ID: Has anyone gotten this to install? When I try to install it, the default kernel config does not work and I get kernel panic errors which look like they are referring to the USB subsystem. RedHat 7.0 worked just fine. How can I do an install with the 7.2 CD and modify the kernel during setup? Any help would be appreciated. (Embedded Clinton Hegney image moved Level II Helpdesk to file: Analyst pic00491.jpg) Gelco Information Network c_hegney@gelco.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pic00491.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1284 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/9aab878a/pic00491.jpg From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Wed Dec 19 15:45:23 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks... Message-ID: to all who responded to my question regarding updating RPMs with my slow connection. Phil and ScanMan, thanks for offering a place to bring my PC and connect to a highspeed line for access. I do have a NIC in my box and just need to turn on eth0 with DHCP, it is ready to go. I may contact you after the new year sometime. Ben, I would love to contact my cable company and get highspeed access, but the cost is a little more than I can take right now. (Embedded Clinton Hegney image moved Level II Helpdesk to file: Analyst pic17553.jpg) Gelco Information Network c_hegney@gelco.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pic17553.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1284 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/00f30024/pic17553.jpg From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Wed Dec 19 16:10:19 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... Message-ID: Bill, how much do you want for one of those?? Are they in working condition? 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In-Reply-To: <20011219204942.GC17875@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:49:42PM -0600 References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> <20011218060958.O96643@io.stderr.net> <20011219204942.GC17875@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011219220257.D11834@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:49:42PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > What about the all the text you sent once MORE! And all the OTHER mails. > > Why not try to give a nice hint in private mail instead of writing back > > to the list each time? > > I did that on purpose to prove a point. Obviously it didn't translate > well in your sarcasm interpretor. There's a new upstream version at > ftp://find.humor.here.org/pub/sarcint/sarcint-cvs-20011218.tar.gz. I'm just saying: On one side people say "We have to be nice to newbies", when someone (Hi Ben :-)) flames/tells someone to rtfm, but we _still_ want them to be aware of more or less unspoken rules about how you communicate on a mailinglist (Yes, I know the URL you posted) and the TCLUG site doesn't even have anything about how to "act" on the list. I'm not saying it's the site-maintainers fault, 'cause you can't have every bit of information out there on the site. > Why don't I just send it as a private email? Public humiliation of > offendors on an email list bring public attention to a public problem. > Send email to a list, play by the rules of netiquette. Public humiliation goes right against what some people on this list want to happen to newcomers. It's very likely that another potential user will be lost if people tell her/him to "go learn how to quote or you'll end in my kill-filter" or similar not-so-harsh comments. In my opinion our time is better spent mailing the "offenders" off-list and explaining in non-technical terms why it's bad. > Regardless, I'm playing around with scoring in procmail. I'll soon have > a working ruleset for Mail/tclug/list/2001-12/hall-of-shame/. I'll also > be experimenting with adding X-Procmail-Score: headers to all emails I > receive. Something to quote with. ;-) Perhaps we should write up a > Netiquette Hall of Shame scoreboard for www.mn-linux.org ;-) It would only be fun if the list manager attached such headers instead of them just landing in your inbox. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Dec 19 16:17:33 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Browser Java and Streaming Media on Linux, was:Linux/Opensource interview for USN and WR Message-ID: And those problems should be solved. It is nice, however, that "Promiscuous Automatic Execution" didn't make the list, though. ;-) What is the state of "browser" java on Linux? What options for streaming media does Linux have? >>> dacross@nwc.edu 12/19/01 02:01PM >>> >I love Linux, but these are some distinct problems that will keep a lot of >users away with MS JVM and Windows Media Player ready to go with IE. From dacross at nwc.edu Wed Dec 19 16:47:03 2001 From: dacross at nwc.edu (David Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200112192215.fBJMFXO03109@sequoia.nwc.edu> On Wednesday 19 December 2001 02:20 pm, you wrote: > Has anyone gotten this to install? RH 7.2 has been fantastic for me except the problems I noticed in an earlier post. The install was much easier than any Windows installation has ever been for me. I didn't have to configure sound card, video card or network card. RedHat did it for me so that I was up and running after reboot. -- David Cross *********************** What Life Means to Me As a high school student I discovered I wanted more than where my life was heading. Even though I didn't drink alcohol, I went to drinking parties each weekend and they became my life. I loved the party atmosphere and the feeling of getting away with something. I found that the rest of the week was just space that had to be filled so that I could get to the weekend. Strangely enough, some friends challenged me to read the Bible for half an hour each day and I took them up on it. When I read the Bible I realized that my life was really empty. The best thing about my life was simply going to these parties, but I wanted more than that. As I read the Bible, I realized more than just the emptiness of my life. I realized that if I gave my life to Jesus Christ, I could get a grip on meaning in my life and I could even help others. One of the struggles I had with this was that I didn't like church. I'd never found a church that was the "perfect church" and I didn't have an interest in looking. However, those same friends that challenged me to read the Bible challenged me to try going to church each week. I decided that since those friends were right about reading the Bible and the meaning that Jesus gave my life, I guessed they might be right about church, too, so I gave it a try. I went to church with those friends and I found a real place that I loved to be. I loved learning so much about Christ that my half hour Bible reading grew into hours each day. I finally felt that I had found the meaning that I was looking for. It wasn't because I was reading so much or because I went to my church's youth group. The meaning I found was in learning so much more about Jesus Christ each time I opened the Bible or met with other Christians. Jesus became my closest friend and I wanted to spend as much time with Him as I could. One thing that I knew I needed to leave behind was the wild parties. Surprisingly, God helped me to leave them all at once. He even gave me the chance to tell some of my friends from those parties about Christ and Christ changed some of their lives, too. Honestly, Christ has given me a reason to live. The change he has made in my life is dramatic proof that He is real and that He made me new just as the Bible says He would do. I know the difference He has made in my life, so I want to give others the truth that makes people new. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 19 16:50:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Please please remove the image that you attach to every email. It's more annoying that the people who automatically attach .vcf business cards to every email. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com [mailto:Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... > > > > Bill, how much do you want for one of those?? Are they in > working condition? > > > (Embedded Clinton Hegney > image moved Level II Helpdesk > to file: Analyst > pic00491.jpg) Gelco Information > Network > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > > > From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 19 17:48:09 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: netiquette cont. (was Re: [TCLUG] Sound probs...) In-Reply-To: <20011219220257.D11834@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 10:02:57PM +0100 References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> <20011218060958.O96643@io.stderr.net> <20011219204942.GC17875@wookimus.net> <20011219220257.D11834@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011219165218.C13414@iucha.net> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 10:02:57PM +0100, Thomas Eibner wrote: > I'm just saying: On one side people say "We have to be nice to newbies", > when someone (Hi Ben :-)) flames/tells someone to rtfm, but we _still_ > want them to be aware of more or less unspoken rules about how you > communicate on a mailinglist (Yes, I know the URL you posted) and > the TCLUG site doesn't even have anything about how to "act" on the list. > I'm not saying it's the site-maintainers fault, 'cause you can't have > every bit of information out there on the site. Most of it is common sense, that unfortunately is not so common. Do not write in an e-mail something that you wouldn't say in person. [Hi Ben :-(] > > Why don't I just send it as a private email? Public humiliation of > > offendors on an email list bring public attention to a public problem. Why stop at public humiliation? Maybe we should outright stone them. Wookie, please add *newbie*@* to your killfile and shut up, ok? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Dec 19 18:36:59 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: netiquette cont. (was Re: [TCLUG] Sound probs...) In-Reply-To: <20011218060958.O96643@io.stderr.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> <20011218060958.O96643@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011219204942.GC17875@wookimus.net> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 06:09:59AM +0100, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 09:50:46PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > [Cut] > > ...how...about...all...the...extra...quoted...text.... > > What about the all the text you sent once MORE! And all the OTHER mails. > Why not try to give a nice hint in private mail instead of writing back > to the list each time? I did that on purpose to prove a point. Obviously it didn't translate well in your sarcasm interpretor. There's a new upstream version at ftp://find.humor.here.org/pub/sarcint/sarcint-cvs-20011218.tar.gz. Why don't I just send it as a private email? Public humiliation of offendors on an email list bring public attention to a public problem. Send email to a list, play by the rules of netiquette. Regardless, I'm playing around with scoring in procmail. I'll soon have a working ruleset for Mail/tclug/list/2001-12/hall-of-shame/. I'll also be experimenting with adding X-Procmail-Score: headers to all emails I receive. Something to quote with. ;-) Perhaps we should write up a Netiquette Hall of Shame scoreboard for www.mn-linux.org ;-) Anyway, back to work... or lunch. Yeah, lunch would be good. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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NDS of course is X.500 standard, not Active directory (what the hell is a "forest"? How is there a container that's more "root" than root?) so I have nothing against that. -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Wed Dec 19 18:51:50 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011219175454.69214895.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:20:51 -0600 Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > Has anyone gotten this to install? Not I. I have a CD that I burned from a downloaded .iso image. The CD rom boots fine on my #1 machine, but on #2 (It's a Compaq..) neither the CD nor the floppy will boot. The CD just sits and spins forever, and the floppy gives me SYSLINUX: Boot failed. Naturally, Slackware 8.0 installed fine (booting from CD). I'd sure appreciate any insight, -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 19 19:32:54 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report In-Reply-To: <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> References: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> Message-ID: <1008799262.2982.247.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Mandrake comes with RealPlayer, Java, and Flash pre-installed. It also comes with a player for ASF streams. On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 14:01, David Cross wrote: > My guess is that he'll run into trouble spots with streaming media, and any > java applications in a browser. > > RealPlayer for Linux stinks. It crashes RH 7.2 EVERY time, even during the > install. Of course there is no Windows Media player, so I have no options but > .mp3 downloads. Nothing streaming. > > Configuring java with Konqeror is no joy and even when it is finished I find > that the blank gray boxes that should be applets or .jsps are a common > problem with Sun's java. Netscape 4.x does fine, but Netscape 6.2 can't run > it's own java installer and Konqeror dead ends with the aforementioned > problem. > > Using it on a network? Not even Novell's iFolder or iPrint applets work, so > are Linux distros keeping up with where networking is moving? > > I love Linux, but these are some distinct problems that will keep a lot of > users away with MS JVM and Windows Media Player ready to go with IE. > > On Wednesday 19 December 2001 12:03 pm, you wrote: > > Just thought I would pass this along: > > > > To my complete suprise I was contacted and interviewed via email/phone, by > > David LaGesse from US News and World Report for an article he is writing > > concerning Linux and opensource software. As a part of his > > research, he is exclusively running Mandrake Linux at work for two weeks on > > his desktop while being networked to the company LAN. The article will > > tackle the question if Linux and opensource software has made progress in > > the desktop user arena. Something like: "can joe user install and use > > Linux and opensource software at home without being a *nix guru or dual > > booting constanly into Windows for better applications." He was a complete > > newbie, but thus far reports little trouble getting along without Microsoft > > products. From our conversation, he seemed to have a positive experience > > with Linux and opensource applications. Good news... > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 19 19:40:07 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <200112192215.fBJMFXO03109@sequoia.nwc.edu> References: <200112192215.fBJMFXO03109@sequoia.nwc.edu> Message-ID: <1008804326.2978.257.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 16:15, David Cross wrote: > > -- > > David Cross > > *********************** > > What Life Means to Me > > blah blah bla blather blather blather I think this is the most obnoxious sig I've ever seen. Not only is it 10 times longer than the actual message, it's completely unrelated to anything. It's great that you love jesus and whatnot, but please don't drag that onto this list. From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Dec 19 19:41:05 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting December 20th Message-ID: Hey folks! Thanks to the planning efforts of (idiot) Ben, we'll be meeting at the Borealis Cafe tomorrow night 6-8pm. All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting See you there! Jacque From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 19 19:42:00 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008794125.2979.167.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 10:17, Robert Leduc wrote: > 1) The new partition need not be bootable; can I ignore this > 1024 cylinder limit thing then? Yup. > 2) Does my version of Win98 or my bios place restrictions on the > size of the partition I can create? Where would I look to find > an answer? Nope. > 3) I tentatively tried to use RH's fdisk to create a new > partition but didn't save the partition table. I couldn't see > how to make it of type "Win95 VFAT" rather than of type "Linux". > Should this be a worry or does this change after somehow > formatting the new partition? Maybe what I need is a rough > outline of which commands I need to consider executing? Note, RH > 7.2 doesn't seem to ship with cfdisk, more's the pity. You use the "t" command to change the type of a partition in fdisk. > 4) For example, what is the linux command for "formatting" the > drive as FAT32? Formatting the drive under Linux is not recommended. After creating the partition with fdisk, you should reboot and format under Windows. > 5) When I create this new partition, the linux drive assignments > hda1 -- hda9 or so won't be in order based on the cylinders they > occupy. I can reorder this using fdisk. Should I? If so, I > realize I will have to change my /etc/fstab to reflect the new > numbering. Are there any other places I'd need to change things? > I use grub as a boot loader; since /boot and / won't move I > assume it will still work regardless. It's ok to have partitions in the wrong order. Fdisk may warn you about it, but there is nothing dangerous about it. > 6) My hope is that if I ever need to increase the size of /, I > could use partition magic to reduce the size of the new windows > partition and then do a linux reinstall and create a new, larger > / (likely to occur only in a future upgrade of the operating > system from cdrom). I only have partition magic ver 4, but would > upgrade to 5 if that is necessary. Would this work or is this a > bad idea? People tend to avoid making promises about fips, but > would fips be a better alternative? I heartily recommend GNU parted. It can do everything Partition Magic can do, and it's free. > Thanks very much for any help on any of the above. You're welcome! From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 19 19:58:34 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008809787.2982.262.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> You're welcome. As another option, you could tell me what you want, and I could download it and burn it to a CD for you, then you could pick it up or I could mail it to you. On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 14:33, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > to all who responded to my question regarding updating RPMs with my slow > connection. Phil and ScanMan, thanks for offering a place to bring my PC > and connect to a highspeed line for access. I do have a NIC in my box and > just need to turn on eth0 with DHCP, it is ready to go. I may contact you > after > the new year sometime. Ben, I would love to contact my cable company and > get highspeed access, but the cost is a little more than I can take right > now. From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Dec 19 20:10:15 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D262@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <003001c188f2$32786a20$1e02a8c0@zippy> Not to worry, you can install it yourself after you get the box. I have been following the linix-iPaq thing. Free to a good home. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008opwireless.xml Very cool. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq Sweet, for bashing MS, you win an Ipaq complete with an MS operating system on it. Maybe they should have wiped them and installed linux before giving them out. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:15 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Rant about MS, win an iPaq > > > (Reader's note: I'm in a really foul mood until further > notice. Film at > 11.) > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:28:29 -0600 (CST) > "Brian" wrote: > > > I got a really funny e-mail from Novell this morning. Novell has > launched> Netware 6 and in Novell's words, "Here we go again. Another > release of> NetWare, another round of misinformation from > you-know-who". > > So with Netware 6 - what are the options for Linux client > access? Is there a supported NetWare client yet? > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy_wilson at charter.net Wed Dec 19 20:13:17 2001 From: jeremy_wilson at charter.net (Jeremy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session Message-ID: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> I would start this email with an apology to those of you i offended by placing multiple <.> at the end of sentences or thoughts. Although i find myself doing that quite often lately, when i'm trying to collect my thoughts, i am still sorry that it offended some of you. Now with that said, I would also like to say that those people who griped about a petty thing like that are the same reason i am leaving this mailing list and going elsewhere to get my Linux help. I find it rude and appulsive that a person would pick suck a petty thing to complain about. If you have nothing better to do with your time, except read a mailing list on email, in cyber-world and reply to it with pathetically rude and childish remarks you really need to obtain an application for your local community college, fill it out, and take some interpersonnal communication classes. These inexpensive classes will help you well, MAKE FRIENDS IN THE REAL WORLD, thus when people make a simple mistake in email, you will take it at that, a simple mistake, correct the person and go on in your life without ever thinking twice about it. For those of you who helped me while on this mailing list I am very thankful for your help and would ask that the help continue in private emails. Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing list, the rest of you need to get a grip Mike Hicks Rodd Ahrenstorff K Hinze <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list would appreciate it thankyou JW From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Dec 19 20:20:35 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> My guess is a windows mail client. It's all well and good to shame someone who may not even realize how limited the facilities are with some of the list subscribers. Still . . . A big chunk of the computer populace has come expect image rich e-mail. I share this stuff seamlessly with most of my mostly "computer clueless" customers. Blame it on point-and-click crowd if you must. They don't seem to view it as a big deal. I don't think it should be. Does any linux client allow you to tack on wallpaper? Or render it properly when viewing the mail? (Yes, I know - Netscape. I was thinking of something that runs a little quicker and has a little better mail tools) Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... Please please remove the image that you attach to every email. It's more annoying that the people who automatically attach .vcf business cards to every email. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com [mailto:Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... > > > > Bill, how much do you want for one of those?? Are they in > working condition? > > > (Embedded Clinton Hegney > image moved Level II Helpdesk > to file: Analyst > pic00491.jpg) Gelco Information > Network > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 19 20:31:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Repo rt Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D263@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I use IBM's JRE. It seems to work much better than Sun's. > Configuring java with Konqeror is no joy and even when it is > finished I find > that the blank gray boxes that should be applets or .jsps are > a common > problem with Sun's java. Netscape 4.x does fine, but Netscape > 6.2 can't run > it's own java installer and Konqeror dead ends with the > aforementioned > problem. From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Dec 19 20:43:58 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008798502.15980.9.camel@conflict.autonomous.tv> I think it is the .jpg in your .sig. That is causing you alot of problems with your kernel. -- nosig From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 19 20:45:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian's SourceForge package; cvs modules stuff Message-ID: <20011219154604.Q31615@real-time.com> Any of you debian user able to install sourceforge and make it work? If so, can you yank out the cvs loginfo file and any script it runs? I'd like to copy their cvs commit messages. Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Dec 19 20:58:57 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <200112192215.fBJMFXO03109@sequoia.nwc.edu>; from dacross@nwc.edu on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 04:15:33PM -0600 References: <200112192215.fBJMFXO03109@sequoia.nwc.edu> Message-ID: <20011219203113.A19841@Mail> > -- > > David Cross > > *********************** > > What Life Means to Me > I have to admit, that is an awfully long sig. You should really know better. Some people actually pay for bandwidth and such. That is like a $2 signature. Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 From doughanson at mediaone.net Wed Dec 19 21:09:23 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> Message-ID: <004201c188ff$3465a840$0400a8c0@mshome.net> I tend to agree... Gripes about: Mail clients, Newbies, Lack of knowledge, and the "GOD LIKE" attitude of some of the members does not lead to a friendly environment!!! I myself have been snipped for using "that" email client not clipping my posts! I joined this group to discover the great and wonderful world of Linux., not to have some ass**** bash me for my lack of knowledge!!!! Most of the members (99%) have been more than wonderful, going out of there way to help someone. It is too bad that a few bad apples blah blah blah.... I myself really like the group, Meetings, Installfest, Beer meetings, this is a good thing.... Jeremy's post should make a few people think of how to treat others! Not everyone is a "Super Linux Geek"! I dunno, lest I ramble, maybe we should all look at WHY we are here in the first please!!! (flame away) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Wilson" To: "MNlinux" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session > I would start this email with an apology to those of you i offended by > placing multiple <.> at the end of sentences or thoughts. Although i > find myself doing that quite often lately, when i'm trying to collect my > thoughts, i am still sorry that it offended some of you. > > Now with that said, I would also like to say that those people who > griped about a petty thing like that are the same reason i am leaving > this mailing list and going elsewhere to get my Linux help. I find it > rude and appulsive that a person would pick suck a petty thing to > complain about. If you have nothing better to do with your time, except > read a mailing list on email, in cyber-world and reply to it with > pathetically rude and childish remarks you really need to obtain an > application for your local community college, fill it out, and take some > interpersonnal communication classes. These inexpensive classes will > help you well, MAKE FRIENDS IN THE REAL WORLD, thus when people make a > simple mistake in email, you will take it at that, a simple mistake, > correct the person and go on in your life without ever thinking > twice about it. > > > For those of you who helped me while on this mailing list I am very > thankful for your help and would ask that the help continue in private > emails. > > Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing > list, the rest of you need to get a grip > > Mike Hicks > Rodd Ahrenstorff > K Hinze > > > > <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is > human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list > would appreciate it > > thankyou > > JW > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 19 21:14:08 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net>; from jeremy_wilson@charter.net on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 07:11:45PM -0600 References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> Message-ID: <20011219204132.D13414@iucha.net> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 07:11:45PM -0600, Jeremy Wilson wrote: > Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing > list, the rest of you need to get a grip > > Mike Hicks > Rodd Ahrenstorff > K Hinze Gee... thanks... Now, shoud I be sad or happy that I am not worth a shit? I find a lot of noise lately on the list, but this message doesn't help in any way. And insulting the whole list because a couple of people pissed you off means that you haven't read your own message. Have a nice day, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/460c8dee/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Wed Dec 19 21:29:22 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Netware 6 Crossplatform Details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have't touched NDS recently but when I last looked root *is* root. That is, except that NDS is partitioned so if you imagine that sections of the tree are sliced into chunks then you end up with a root partition. Also, the partitions are replicated to other servers (not *all* servers, just as needed. this is where a NDS architect is needed) and each replica ring has a master partition. If the master dies then a secondary partition can be promoted to master. All of that exists at a meta layer just above the NDS heirarchical structure. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > > blayer@qwest.net 12/19/01 12:15PM >>> > > > So with Netware 6 - what are the options for Linux client access? Is > > > there a supported NetWare client yet? > > > I am curious and have no recent information. > > Last I heard the linux client is still in that "kinda sorta maybe if it's > raining on Thursday wearing blue socks" phase. Novell introduced its > e-directory for linux product and I have no idea what it does. I think it > allows you to manage your linux machines with the styling of NDS (or > e-directory or whatever they call it). NDS of course is X.500 standard, > not Active directory (what the hell is a "forest"? How is there a > container that's more "root" than root?) so I have nothing against > that. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8IU2GfexLsowstzcRAicvAKCCXs+/1MVpDtsgP5hpXiGHlsS4CQCffKtj 1nobgJZgbqYje27b81H07ew= =MkuK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc at ds6.net Wed Dec 19 21:43:23 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions... In-Reply-To: ; from Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 04:46:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011219155803.A28785@flanders.digsol.net> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 04:46:38PM -0600, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > When is the next meeting? > > When is the next Installfest? > > How would one update RPM's for security when all they have is a slow > dial-up connection?? I would love to get all the latest updates of the > packages I have installed on my system so I don't have any security holes, > but it would take for ever over a modem connection. Is there a place I > could take my computer and > hook it up to a highspeed connection and do this? The Installfest would be > an obvious place, but I missed the one in Dec. and it looks like we only > have them every 4-5 months. Any ideas? > Just find a local rsync server with your favorite dist and let cron get a little bit each night for you. Within a couple days you'll have all the latest packages and theres no waiting when you want to install. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 19 22:26:54 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... In-Reply-To: <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <1008818632.2203.0.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Evolution does, for one. On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 19:29, Mark Browne wrote: > Does any linux client allow you to tack on wallpaper? > Or render it properly when viewing the mail? > (Yes, I know - Netscape. I was thinking of something that > runs a little quicker and has a little better mail tools) From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 19 22:54:02 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1008820336.1667.2.camel@minime> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 14:33, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > to all who responded to my question regarding updating RPMs with my slow > connection. Phil and ScanMan, thanks for offering a place to bring my PC > and connect to a highspeed line for access. I do have a NIC in my box and > just need to turn on eth0 with DHCP, it is ready to go. I may contact you > after > the new year sometime. Ben, I would love to contact my cable company and > get highspeed access, but the cost is a little more than I can take right > now. It's inconceivable that someone would expect a person to let a perfect stranger into their home and on their network. and get that damn image out of your sig. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/a6dd620d/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 19 22:55:07 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <004201c188ff$3465a840$0400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> <004201c188ff$3465a840$0400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <1008820705.1667.4.camel@minime> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 20:37, Doug Hanson wrote: > I tend to agree... Gripes about: Mail clients, Newbies, Lack of knowledge, > and the "GOD LIKE" attitude of some of the members does not lead to a > friendly environment!!! I myself have been snipped for using "that" email > client not clipping my posts! This is mostly because people have been asking politely for these things to stop for quite some time. None of the requests have been out of line, or out of the norm for lists like this. I joined this group to discover the great and > wonderful world of Linux., not to have some ass**** You said "ass" why **** over the "hole"? Seems kinda silly. > Not everyone is a "Super Linux Geek"! > I dunno, lest I ramble, maybe we should all look at WHY we are here in the > first please!!! (flame away) I'm here for the SPAM, long sigs, and untrimmed posts. Which I might add you forgot to trim yours :-) -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/57acfa67/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 19 22:56:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:14 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... In-Reply-To: <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <1008820836.1666.6.camel@minime> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 19:29, Mark Browne wrote: > My guess is a windows mail client. Since we're on the topic of "netiquette" lately I just thought I'd let you know that you "highjacked" a thread and didn't trim your post. 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Just thought I'd point out on list in case someone might not check the webpage that there will be a beer tasting (10.00) of a few different "winter" brews. The bar we'll be at has probably a hundred different imports, good food, and interesting music :-) > > All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting > > See you there! > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've spent my share of time helping out as well. And if there was a way to show "intent" in emails you'd see that most of what you all think is flames from people, really isn't. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/0acf5cb1/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 19 23:18:22 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... In-Reply-To: <1008818632.2203.0.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> <1008818632.2203.0.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1008823222.1667.22.camel@minime> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 21:23, ScanMan wrote: > Evolution does, for one. Me too. It's still a touch silly though. I mean, it's email, not a webpage. And with the large number of people on the list who choose to use text only email readers (or have to because they don't run X) it's quite rude to add all that formatting. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/79c13be5/attachment.pgp From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Dec 19 23:19:35 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> Message-ID: You didn't offend me at all until this message Jeremy. Just because I may not be on your "worth a shit" list, doesn't mean I or several others need to "get a grip". I'm a relative newbie to linux, and lurk on here learning quite a bit from time to time. This only made you sound as pathetic as the rest of the stupid emails over the last several days. And while I agree that a few people on here do need to "get a grip" (and we all know who they are I think), going to another mailing list won't get rid of emails like what we've all seen lately. I'm on 7 of them of various things (both linux and non-linux related), and they all have extreme out of place threads like this every so often. Think this is bad try getting on IRC for a length of time hehehe. And I think there are several more than 3 people on here that are "worth a shit". I've talked to several knowledgeable and kind folks on here, and seen several others helping other people. I don't think it's fair to judge the whole list because of a few people. And while I agree that trimming posts and things like that are nice for everybody, not everybody will automatically know or do it. For some this may be the first mailing list they've ever joined, and all the bitching and personal attacks won't help any. I just looked around the tclug site and saw nothing in the way of list etiquette or rules or anything of the like (at least not that I could find). Maybe if enough people are worried about this, someone should put together a list of general guidelines or rules of etiquette for the list (several lists do). Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Wilson Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:12 PM To: MNlinux Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session I would start this email with an apology to those of you i offended by placing multiple <.> at the end of sentences or thoughts. Although i find myself doing that quite often lately, when i'm trying to collect my thoughts, i am still sorry that it offended some of you. Now with that said, I would also like to say that those people who griped about a petty thing like that are the same reason i am leaving this mailing list and going elsewhere to get my Linux help. I find it rude and appulsive that a person would pick suck a petty thing to complain about. If you have nothing better to do with your time, except read a mailing list on email, in cyber-world and reply to it with pathetically rude and childish remarks you really need to obtain an application for your local community college, fill it out, and take some interpersonnal communication classes. These inexpensive classes will help you well, MAKE FRIENDS IN THE REAL WORLD, thus when people make a simple mistake in email, you will take it at that, a simple mistake, correct the person and go on in your life without ever thinking twice about it. For those of you who helped me while on this mailing list I am very thankful for your help and would ask that the help continue in private emails. Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing list, the rest of you need to get a grip Mike Hicks Rodd Ahrenstorff K Hinze <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list would appreciate it thankyou JW _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at rr.mn.com Wed Dec 19 23:20:54 2001 From: jspinti at rr.mn.com (james) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20011219175454.69214895.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011219175454.69214895.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <040b749520414c1FE3@mail3.mn.rr.com> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:20:51 -0600 > > Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > > Has anyone gotten this to install? > I have it running right here from a downloaded iso. But, when I tried to install it on a machine at work, it blew out 2/3 of the way through and trashed the bootloader. I had to install Mandrake to get LILO back (no, I don't keep a boot disk, shame on me...) James From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Wed Dec 19 23:28:35 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> Message-ID: <1008820030.2203.18.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 19:11, Jeremy Wilson wrote: > I would start this email with an apology to those of you i offended by > placing multiple <.> at the end of sentences or thoughts. Although i > find myself doing that quite often lately, when i'm trying to collect my > thoughts, i am still sorry that it offended some of you. We are provinding you with free, no strings attached help. It's irritating when you don't even have the respect to make your posts clear and understandable. > Now with that said, I would also like to say that those people who > griped about a petty thing like that are the same reason i am leaving > this mailing list and going elsewhere to get my Linux help. I find it > rude and appulsive that a person would pick suck a petty thing to > complain about. If you have nothing better to do with your time, except > read a mailing list on email, in cyber-world and reply to it with > pathetically rude and childish remarks you really need to obtain an > application for your local community college, fill it out, and take some > interpersonnal communication classes. These inexpensive classes will > help you well, MAKE FRIENDS IN THE REAL WORLD, thus when people make a > simple mistake in email, you will take it at that, a simple mistake, > correct the person and go on in your life without ever thinking > twice about it. You seem very insecure, I think you could benifit from some counseling or psychotherapy. Perhaps there was some childhood trauma that makes you go off the deep end when someone comments on your use of punctuation. > For those of you who helped me while on this mailing list I am very > thankful for your help and would ask that the help continue in private > emails. > > Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing > list, the rest of you need to get a grip > > Mike Hicks > Rodd Ahrenstorff > K Hinze Thank you for dragging this conversation into the gutter with your use of profanity. I'm sure everyone here will benifit from knowing that they are not "worth a shit". > <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is > human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list > would appreciate it The subtle implication of bestality is a nice touch. So, in summary, everyone is not worth a shit, and I need a girlfriend (human or otherwise) because you cannot type correctly. You might want to enroll in one of those interpersonnal communication classes yourself, buddy. > thankyou You're welcome. See how nice that was? Maybe you coyuld learn to do the same thing. From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 19 23:32:59 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <1008804326.2978.257.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <200112192215.fBJMFXO03109@sequoia.nwc.edu> <1008804326.2978.257.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1008820243.1666.0.camel@minime> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 17:25, ScanMan wrote: > I think this is the most obnoxious sig I've ever seen. Not only is it 10 > times longer than the actual message, it's completely unrelated to > anything. It's great that you love jesus and whatnot, but please don't > drag that onto this list. > Agreed, and the guy who has the stupid vikings image in his sig is obviously trying to pull someones chain too. Both of these people should be sent to remedial email class. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011219/2fe7c255/attachment.pgp From tl at assimilated.org Wed Dec 19 23:57:05 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: netiquette cont. (was Re: [TCLUG] Sound probs...) In-Reply-To: <20011219165218.C13414@iucha.net> References: <3C1BE6F7.74541F95@charter.net> <1008467586.1748.125.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011218035046.GB26584@wookimus.net> <20011218060958.O96643@io.stderr.net> <20011219204942.GC17875@wookimus.net> <20011219220257.D11834@io.stderr.net> <20011219165218.C13414@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20011220044932.GA12128@assimilated.org> On Dec 19 at 04:52PM Florin Iucha wrote: [...] > Why stop at public humiliation? Maybe we should outright stone them. Wookie, > please add *newbie*@* to your killfile and shut up, ok? please add *wookie*@* to your killfile and shut up, ok? (sorry, I couldn't resist) -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Dec 20 00:08:18 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <004201c188ff$3465a840$0400a8c0@mshome.net>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 08:37:01PM -0600 References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> <004201c188ff$3465a840$0400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <20011219231711.A19453@Mail> > I dunno, lest I ramble, maybe we should all look at WHY we are here in the > first please!!! (flame away) > burn baby burn > > Mike Hicks > > Rodd Ahrenstorff > > K Hinze > > granted these are good souls.i suspect if you check the archives you might find a few more. > > > > > > <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is > > human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list > > would appreciate it wtf is this ^^^^^^. If you don't agree with someone use your delete fascility. sheesh. it is not like this if freekin prison... <---- superfolous elipise. Maybe santa will bring some of you some procmail filters....[inside joke]HAHAHAHAHA /me is cynical Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011220/5e0868cf/attachment.pgp From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Dec 20 00:26:32 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <040b749520414c1FE3@mail3.mn.rr.com> References: <20011219175454.69214895.blayer@qwest.net> <040b749520414c1FE3@mail3.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1008826423.5864.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 22:53, james wrote: > I have it running right here from a downloaded iso. But, when I tried to > install it on a machine at work, it blew out 2/3 of the way through and > trashed the bootloader. I had to install Mandrake to get LILO back (no, I > don't keep a boot disk, shame on me...) It seems like Red Hat is having a lot of trouble with bugs, maybe you should wait for a few weeks to install their latest version. On a related note, you can boot from the Mandrake (or RedHat AFAIK) and type "rescue", it will then give you a console where you can re-install LILO without having to re-install the whole distro. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 20 00:27:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... In-Reply-To: <1008820836.1666.6.camel@minime> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> <1008820836.1666.6.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011219233831.B15257@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011219 22:58]: > On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 19:29, Mark Browne wrote: > > My guess is a windows mail client. > Since we're on the topic of "netiquette" lately I just thought I'd let > you know that you "highjacked" a thread and didn't trim your post. No, the person before him hijacked by not changing the subject and keeping a valid i-r-p. He merely resubjected, but kept a valid i-r-p. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 20 00:28:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Gripe session In-Reply-To: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> Message-ID: <20011219233946.C15257@ringworld.org> > Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing > list, the rest of you need to get a grip Please, go away. I need not to hear this filth. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Dec 20 00:29:53 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks... In-Reply-To: <1008820336.1667.2.camel@minime> References: <1008820336.1667.2.camel@minime> Message-ID: <1008824927.5864.1.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 21:52, Ben Lutgens wrote: > It's inconceivable that someone would expect a person to let a perfect > stranger into their home and on their network. I've not only concieved of it, I've offered to do it. I think that proves your statement wrong. > and get that damn image out of your sig. I have no sig! From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Dec 20 00:43:58 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <1008820030.2203.18.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain>; from scanman@scanman.mine.nu on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 09:47:10PM -0600 References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> <1008820030.2203.18.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011219235144.B19453@Mail> thishasabsolutelynothingtodowithLINUX. jezas chisto I am gonna start posting to every single thread if you fooooooos' keep this up. Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they come home, set them on > fire." > - George Carlin Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011220/d176404c/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 20 01:54:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... In-Reply-To: <20011219233831.B15257@ringworld.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> <1008820836.1666.6.camel@minime> <20011219233831.B15257@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011220003202.F15257@ringworld.org> * Scott Dier [011220 00:30]: > keeping a valid i-r-p. He merely resubjected, but kept a valid i-r-p. i-r-t, rather. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Thu Dec 20 02:56:12 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pay no attention to this post...please! Message-ID: <200112200656.fBK6uNu07129@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Well, I am so lucky NOT to be on that "shit list"!!!! I must be a Linux Newbie God. I should have known it all along. Shit, I just got interviewed by US News and World Report because I know so damn much!!! OK enough of the bull.... Jeremy I hope you will keep using Linux. I don't know what exactly send you over the edge, but I can honestly say no one on this list has teated me badly. They are hard working people willing to offer good free advice. I try to do the necessary research before blundering into my own stink pile. And when I get stuck, these people help me get out. Simple as that. One last thing. I want everyone on this list except: Mike Hicks Rodd Ahrenstorff (myself) K Hinze ...to apologize to Jeremy. You did not make the cut. LOL :) From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Thu Dec 20 03:48:23 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report In-Reply-To: <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> References: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> Message-ID: <200112200705.fBK75uu12469@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> On Wednesday 19 December 2001 02:01 pm, you wrote: > My guess is that he'll run into trouble spots with streaming media, and any > java applications in a browser. > RealPlayer for Linux stinks. My real play works fine in Mandrake 8.1 > Configuring java with Konqeror is no joy and even when it is finished I > find that the blank gray boxes that should be applets or .jsps are a common > problem with Sun's java. Netscape 4.x does fine, but Netscape 6.2 can't run > it's own java installer and Konqeror dead ends with the aforementioned > problem. I use both Konqueror and Netscape 6.2 with java and flash working fine. I even upgraded to KDE 2.2.2 and KOffice 1.1.1 with no problems. Maybe I'm lucky? From jts at tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 20 06:38:32 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: netiquette cont. (was Re: [TCLUG] Sound probs...) In-Reply-To: <200112200228.fBK2S4T07506@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Regardless, I'm playing around with scoring in procmail. I'll soon have > a working ruleset for Mail/tclug/list/2001-12/hall-of-shame/. I'll also > be experimenting with adding X-Procmail-Score: headers to all emails I > receive. Something to quote with. ;-) Perhaps we should write up a > Netiquette Hall of Shame scoreboard for www.mn-linux.org ;-) Maybe, in addition to the netiquette hall of shame, we should add a list of netiquette weenies. Or maybe netiquette bastards? Netiquette twits? This so-called netiquette discussion is sure starting to burn up a lot of my time. I hope it ends soon. Some of it seems more like antisocial behavior than netiquette to me. Joel From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Dec 20 08:17:53 2001 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report In-Reply-To: <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu>; from dacross@nwc.edu on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:01:35PM -0600 References: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> Message-ID: <20011220072246.W19907@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:01:35PM -0600, David Cross wrote: > My guess is that he'll run into trouble spots with streaming media, and any > java applications in a browser. > > RealPlayer for Linux stinks. It crashes RH 7.2 EVERY time, even during the > install. Of course there is no Windows Media player, so I have no options but > .mp3 downloads. Nothing streaming. > I've had no problems with RealPlayer on RedHat 7.2, have you tried debugging it? As for Windows Media Player many linux media players now support the various Microsoft codecs, and xmms/mpg123/mpg321 all support mp3 streaming. > Configuring java with Konqeror is no joy and even when it is finished I find > that the blank gray boxes that should be applets or .jsps are a common > problem with Sun's java. Netscape 4.x does fine, but Netscape 6.2 can't run > it's own java installer and Konqeror dead ends with the aforementioned > problem. > I've yet to bother getting java working on Mozilla, I use netscape 4.x for this. [snip, wow, that's a long sig =)] Matthew S. Hallacy poptix@irc From rechpj at bitstream.net Thu Dec 20 08:51:06 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net>; from jeremy_wilson@charter.net on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 07:11:45PM -0600 References: <3C213AD1.4F461728@charter.net> Message-ID: <20011220075227.A1088@bitstream.net> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 07:11:45PM -0600, Jeremy Wilson wrote: > Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing > list, the rest of you need to get a grip > > Mike Hicks > Rodd Ahrenstorff > K Hinze > > <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is > human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list > would appreciate it Reason #67 on why not to post like this: The Twin Cities computer business is still a fairly small world. You run into the same people over and over. Insulting a bunch of potential work colleagues is a very bad idea. Resumes get flushed all the time for this very reason. Who wants an admin that folds over this, let alone servers croaking on payday? Or a programmer who quits when her (<-- PC all the way!) program doesn't run correctly? Besides, the really interesting people in this group are the sassy ones. I'd like to meet Ben just because he says what he thinks. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Thu Dec 20 09:40:06 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session References: Message-ID: <3C21FAE1.657FE119@securecomputing.com> Doug wrote: > > You didn't offend me at all until this message Jeremy. Just because I may > not be on your "worth a shit" list, doesn't mean I or several others need to > "get a grip". I agree. I'm sure he was directing that at only the people he's had contact with, I'm sure several others were a little angry about this. > Maybe if enough people are worried about this, > someone should put together a list of general guidelines or rules of > etiquette for the list (several lists do). Might be nice if it went out in an intro e-mail when someone signed up to the list. I've seen that on other lists as well. While most experienced list participants wouldn't bother to read it, I'm sure it would get the attention of those new to mailing lists. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 20 15:59:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <1008826423.5864.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <20011219175454.69214895.blayer@qwest.net> <040b749520414c1FE3@mail3.mn.rr.com> <1008826423.5864.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1008860486.5619.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 23:33, ScanMan wrote: > On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 22:53, james wrote: > > I have it running right here from a downloaded iso. But, when I tried to > > install it on a machine at work, it blew out 2/3 of the way through and > > trashed the bootloader. I had to install Mandrake to get LILO back (no, I > > don't keep a boot disk, shame on me...) You could grab a "tom's root boot image" it's teeny (1.44 floppy image) All these problems with RH are strange to me, I'm using 7.2 iso's I snagged from the LUG mirror and have installed them on around 5 different machines with no problem what-so-ever. > It seems like Red Hat is having a lot of trouble with bugs, maybe you > should wait for a few weeks to install their latest version. On a > related note, you can boot from the Mandrake (or RedHat AFAIK) and type > "rescue", it will then give you a console where you can re-install LILO > without having to re-install the whole distro. Perhaps those of you could post EXACT hardware specs (right down to motherboard, CDROM and HDD (make, model, brand), BIOS rev, Graphics Adapter flavor and maybe we can try and riddle out the common denominator(s) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing streaming. xmms does a better job of decoding mp3s. there is an app called mplayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ that will play almost all .asf .wmv files (among other things) > > Configuring java with Konqeror is no joy and even when it is finished I find > > that the blank gray boxes that should be applets or .jsps are a common > > problem with Sun's java. Netscape 4.x does fine, but Netscape 6.2 can't run > > it's own java installer and Konqeror dead ends with the aforementioned > > problem. Install the JDK RPM of your choice and symlink the plugin into $MOZILLA_HOME/plugins/ make sure you symlink the one from the $JAVA_HOME/jre/plugin/i386/ns600 directory if you're using newer mozilla or netscape6 *shudder* As far as realplayer goes, if you dislike the realplayer version for linux you might try using the crossover plugin from codeweavers.com and installing the doze version under that. I've never tried it, but if it runs as well as the quicktime plugin does, it'd be worth the 20.00. If you think these things are bad today, you should have tried to do this stuff under linux 5 years ago. Before SDL, DRI, and X4..... -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To get a better idea of how the world of OSS works, they would like to "get their feet wet" by contributing to an existing project, and eventually starting their own. They have asked me to provide some "knowledge" and experience on how they can get started, since they know I run the TCLUG. Since I know some of you have contributed to projects more than I have, I am asking you. Does anyone have past experiences with OSS projects that you could share? Lessons learned? Thanks. -- Clay From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 21 20:08:14 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:18 2005 Subject: Non-standard mail formats - was:Re: [TCLUG] Okidata LED printer... In-Reply-To: <20011219233831.B15257@ringworld.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D266@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <006901c188f5$b732a840$1e02a8c0@zippy> <1008820836.1666.6.camel@minime> <20011219233831.B15257@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1008861391.5619.11.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 23:38, Scott Dier wrote: > No, the person before him hijacked by not changing the subject and > keeping a valid i-r-p. He merely resubjected, but kept a valid i-r-p. I stand corrected :-) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Where would I look to find > > an answer? > Nope. > > 3) I tentatively tried to use RH's fdisk to create a new > > partition but didn't save the partition table. I couldn't see > > how to make it of type "Win95 VFAT" rather than of type "Linux". > > Should this be a worry or does this change after somehow > > formatting the new partition? Maybe what I need is a rough > > outline of which commands I need to consider executing? Note, RH > > 7.2 doesn't seem to ship with cfdisk, more's the pity. > You use the "t" command to change the type of a partition in fdisk. > > 4) For example, what is the linux command for "formatting" the > > drive as FAT32? > Formatting the drive under Linux is not recommended. After creating the > partition with fdisk, you should reboot and format under Windows. > > 5) When I create this new partition, the linux drive assignments > > hda1 -- hda9 or so won't be in order based on the cylinders they > > occupy. I can reorder this using fdisk. Should I? If so, I > > realize I will have to change my /etc/fstab to reflect the new > > numbering. Are there any other places I'd need to change things? > > I use grub as a boot loader; since /boot and / won't move I > > assume it will still work regardless. > It's ok to have partitions in the wrong order. Fdisk may warn you about > it, but there is nothing dangerous about it. > > 6) My hope is that if I ever need to increase the size of /, I > > could use partition magic to reduce the size of the new windows > > partition and then do a linux reinstall and create a new, larger > > / (likely to occur only in a future upgrade of the operating > > system from cdrom). I only have partition magic ver 4, but would > > upgrade to 5 if that is necessary. Would this work or is this a > > bad idea? People tend to avoid making promises about fips, but > > would fips be a better alternative? > I heartily recommend GNU parted. It can do everything Partition Magic > can do, and it's free. > > Thanks very much for any help on any of the above. > You're welcome! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 21 20:28:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flames, trolls, etc. Mailing List Dictator Speaks. Message-ID: <20011220093357.K31615@real-time.com> Keep the flaming, trolls, etc. to a minimum. Go to IRC so you can really have it out if you must vent. I (yes me!) don't want the archives full of bitching. IRC is good for flamewars, there is generally no log of it :-) I do not want the list to degrade into a whining-fest, nor am I all the keen on splitting the list because it always dilutes each list. If you got a beef do it in PRIVATE email. Instead of just saying, "Stop doing that!" in public, send a private email, EXPLAIN how to "stop" what they are going wrong. Are you really pissed? Write the response, post-pone it, sleep on it, and re-read it in the morning. You'll see how much of an ass you where about to be and may not send it. I've done this many times. Certain people who CLAIM to be systems administrator should know better then just beat-down a user for some mailing list infractions. In most instance, ignorance is not an excuse, but let's help educate each other instead of beating each other up. Good admins know better then to pound the reply, grab the flamethrower, type furiously away, and send the mail. GREAT admins know how to help their users in a way that does not make the user feel stupid. You can replace admin with linux users. Let's keep the community together. Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 21 20:31:03 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report In-Reply-To: <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu>; from dacross@nwc.edu on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:01:35PM -0600 References: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <200112192001.fBJK1Zd02930@sequoia.nwc.edu> Message-ID: <20011220094913.B14586@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:01:35PM -0600, David Cross wrote: > RealPlayer for Linux stinks. It crashes RH 7.2 EVERY time, even during the > install. I run Debian and haven't had any problems with it. > Using it on a network? Not even Novell's iFolder or iPrint applets work, so > are Linux distros keeping up with where networking is moving? Where's that? I thought Novell was pretty much a has-been (thanks, Bill!) and I've never even heard of iFolder or iPrint before. Based on some quick googling, it looks like iFolder is a network-mounted home directory that's internet-accessible and iPrint is a reinvention (or maybe an implementation?) of the Internet Printing Protocol. Granted, NFS isn't something I'd want to run over today's internet, but it sounds like iFolder and iPrint are just NFS and CUPS for Windows. Whoopty-do. So Linux can't keep up with networking because Novell is innovating new features that Linux already has? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 21 20:32:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session In-Reply-To: <3C21FAE1.657FE119@securecomputing.com> References: <3C21FAE1.657FE119@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <1008863366.5998.7.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 08:51, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Might be nice if it went out in an intro e-mail when someone signed up > to the list. I've seen that on other lists as well. While most > experienced list participants wouldn't bother to read it, I'm sure it > would get the attention of those new to mailing lists. I contemplated this when setting up the mailing lists I manage, the I decided (being a touch cynical) that no one would read it and I'd be wasting my time. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011221/156d1bb9/attachment.pgp From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Fri Dec 21 20:34:38 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] masqerading Message-ID: <001501c1896e$b456cd80$0f617618@genx> Hello, and yes I am emailing from Outlook, sorry to all who care. I have done this before and it has been a year or so since I have done it and I am having trouble with masqerading. 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You need to use the it87.o module included with the latest lm_sensors package. However, I don't think I have some of the equations correct in the config file because the chip temp is showing 120C, and I know it's not that high. The MB temp shows like 40C to 45C depending on the system load, so I think the MB and CPU temp are switched around in the config file (I'm using the defaults). The it87.o module also requires the i2c-isa.o module. It will load without it, but you won't get any data. If anyone has any experience figuring out the sensors.conf file, let me know. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:08 AM > To: tclug-list > Cc: austad@marketwatch.com > Subject: lm-sensors w/ soyo dragon+ > > > Jay, > You ever get your lm-sensors working with your Dragon+? > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > I just emailed Soyo, and they said the chip used on the > board is the > > ite8705. The reason the adm1021 driver works is that the chip has > > some similar functions. > > > lm_sensors supports this chip in version 2.6.1. The > module is the > > > it87.o > > module. If you use this one, you may be able to get your fan stuff > > working. > > > > Let me know how it goes. I don't have time to mess > with it until > > > > later > > tonight. > > > Jay > > From clay at fandre.com Fri Dec 21 20:40:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: lm-sensors w/ soyo dragon+ In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D26B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D26B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011220171344.GI27692@fandre.com> Nevermind. This helped me out: http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/readticket.cgi?ticket=757 On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Sort of. You need to use the it87.o module included with the latest > lm_sensors package. However, I don't think I have some of the equations > correct in the config file because the chip temp is showing 120C, and I know > it's not that high. The MB temp shows like 40C to 45C depending on the > system load, so I think the MB and CPU temp are switched around in the > config file (I'm using the defaults). > > The it87.o module also requires the i2c-isa.o module. It will load without > it, but you won't get any data. If anyone has any experience figuring out > the sensors.conf file, let me know. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:08 AM > > To: tclug-list > > Cc: austad@marketwatch.com > > Subject: lm-sensors w/ soyo dragon+ > > > > > > Jay, > > You ever get your lm-sensors working with your Dragon+? > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > I just emailed Soyo, and they said the chip used on the > > board is the > > > ite8705. The reason the adm1021 driver works is that the chip has > > > some similar functions. > > > > lm_sensors supports this chip in version 2.6.1. The > > module is the > > > > it87.o > > > module. If you use this one, you may be able to get your fan stuff > > > working. > > > > > Let me know how it goes. I don't have time to mess > > with it until > > > > > later > > > tonight. > > > > Jay > > > > From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 21 20:41:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin - spam checking nirvana Message-ID: <1008875263.1663.1.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I know some of you have contributed to > projects more than I have, I am asking you. Does anyone have past > experiences with OSS projects that you could share? Lessons learned? I'd like to expand on Clay's question by asking also for "HOWTO" tips: details on learning some of the mechanics (CVS, for example) and getting into the middle of an existing code base -- I'm sure there are a few opinions on the "right" and "wrong" ways to do some of these things. Thanks! -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Sat Dec 22 14:56:10 2001 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question In-Reply-To: <1008794125.2979.167.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Thanks again to all who have replied! That was really helpful! Too caught up in holiday madness to do it now, but will make the attempt next week! Rob From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Sat Dec 22 14:59:40 2001 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <1008860486.5619.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: > All these problems with RH are strange to me, I'm using 7.2 iso's I > snagged from the LUG mirror and have installed them on around 5 > different machines with no problem what-so-ever. No problems for me, other than my own incompetance with disk partitioning. > Perhaps those of you could post EXACT hardware specs (right down to > motherboard, CDROM and HDD (make, model, brand), BIOS rev, Graphics > Adapter flavor and maybe we can try and riddle out the common > denominator(s) > My hardware is reasonably old, which made it easier. R From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Dec 22 15:03:26 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Run a program, go to jail. References: <20011221181852.GD17091@fandre.com> Message-ID: <001301c18a7a$15d665a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23477.html This link describes a fellow who downloaded a program to share in a distributed processing effort. To some, this is a punishable offense. Theft of services and all that. What makes this a relevant Linux topic for discussion is the following question: Could loading a dual boot to Linux with a "fully loaded" distro have you loading programs that violate some policy somewhere? Consider the encryption strength issue as an example. Or a FTP file server - that gets compromised? Another small point. The hapless system admin signed a page full of legalese when he started - during the "signing for the employee handbook" ritual most of us go through. In this agreement he states ahead of time, in essence, that he knows that this is bad behavior. When jobs are hard to find, I don't imagine many people refuse to sign these things, but you should at least read this stuff before you sign it. You might be surprised. Perhaps you may have already signed an evil version of one of these things and it could be used to burn ]you someday! If you even care about that sort of thing :-( Mark Browne Walks away, while mumbling to himself. markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net From dmblevins at mediaone.net Sat Dec 22 15:07:42 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project Message-ID: Hi Clay, I co-founded the OpenEJB project two years ago and am actually preparing another project to open source. Running an open source project successfully is extremely difficult. It's identical to running a product-based software company, except most the contributors aren't compensated financially. This means you have to work many times harder to get and keep good help, this also makes people less professional and less reliable. Your social skills will be challenged every step of the way. Most people who show interest in contributing, leave from boredom. The few who can earn commit privileges eventually leave because they get too busy, usually leaving a large amount of unfinished, uncommented code. You'll need to find time to accommodate everyone and help those that are trying to become a contributor, you are continuously investing time in your community. As the majority of development is done by you, all the time you spend on your community means the actual software isn't going anywhere. You need to balance both or the project is going to last. The biggest challenge is keeping your project alive until it can reach that critical ignition point where the project really takes root and finds a strong user-base. Then the game changes completely from what I've described and suddenly you're faced with an entirely new set of challenges. Now the difficulty is getting people to contribute, it's dealing with all the patches and traffic on your lists. Before you had to be extremely clever with every word you said, now you couldn't people go away if you wanted to. Most projects never reach the ignition point, though. The majority die before then. The biggest mistake made is opening the project too soon. If you can, delay announcing until you are close to the ignition point as possible. This means you have something, anything, that is useful to people, works flawlessly from end to end, and is well documented so people can get it and put it into use immediately. Only then will people start to use and become dependant on your software. Sometimes the best thing for a project that opened too soon, is just to let it die and pick it up again when you have enough time to get it working perfectly in private, then open again. Gimp was like this, the project died for an entire year before it was picked up again. To know when your project has reached the ignition point, ask yourself this question, "If I stopped work on the project and walked away from it completely, would it live or die?" If it would die, then the answer is no. Once an open source project has ignited, nobody can kill it, not even the original creator. Getting to the ignition point can take quite a long time and takes an enormous amount of personal dedication, unless your funded by IBM or Sun, or both. OpenEJB has been around for two years and it hasn't gotten there yet. JBoss, the open source EJB solution everyone has heard of, has been around for the same and is already several months past the ignition point. Although Marc and I don't get along personally, I'm happy to see them do so well. My new project will be heating things up in a month or two when it's good enough to release. I'm anxious to see what happens then. A final thing to consider is license. To be clear, GPL is _NOT_ Open Source(sm). The Open Source Initiative (Eric Raymond) and the Free Software Foundation (Richard Stallman) are two opposed groups, they don't get along too well. Apache, FreeBSD, and Mozilla have true Open Source(sm) licenses. Anything GNU is GPL free software, though the source is open, it's not an Open Source(sm) approved license -- nor will it ever be as long as Richard is alive. The book "Open Sources" by O'Reilly and Associates, is the bible of open source software. A must read for anyone becoming seriously involved in Open Source. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:19 PM > To: tclug-list > Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project > > > I'm working for a "corporate" client that wants to start an > open-source project, but lacks experience with open-source > projects and isn't sure how they operate. To get a better idea of > how the world of OSS works, they would like to "get their feet > wet" by contributing to an existing project, and eventually > starting their own. They have asked me to provide some > "knowledge" and experience on how they can get started, since > they know I run the TCLUG. Since I know some of you have > contributed to projects more than I have, I am asking you. Does > anyone have past experiences with OSS projects that you could > share? Lessons learned? > > Thanks. > > -- Clay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From DCsk8r34 at aol.com Sat Dec 22 15:12:07 2001 From: DCsk8r34 at aol.com (DCsk8r34@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Error with Xwindows Message-ID: Hello, I have Mandrake Linux 8.1 on my machine with Windows 98 also. When I go through the installation of Linux it all goes good untill configuring the color for xwindows. After I pick the colors and settings for my monitor I click "ok". After that it goes to a black screen that says: "insmod:a module named scsi_mod already exists /tmp/imm.o:int_module:no such device /tmp/ppa.o:int_module:no such device" After that my computer freezes and I have to restart. Linux still loads but not in xwindows like it is supposed to. I log into root then at the prompt I type: "startx". When I hit enter I get a message saying: "xauth: creating new authority file /root/.xauthority xauth:creating new authority file /root/.xauthority Execve failed for /x11/x (errno 2) giving up. xinit: no such file or directory (errno 2):Unabe to connect to x server xinit:no such process (errno 3): server error" My computer is a custom made 800mhz duron, 20 gig hd, 256mb ram, it has a Netgear FA311 Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter, SupraMax 56k PCI modem, AdvanceSys PCI SCSI Host Adapter, I also have a CD Burner with my computer. I have tryed installing Linux 4 times and it has the same problem everytime. Im new to Linux so getting xwindows running is pretty important. Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks. -Derek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After that it goes to a black screen that says: "insmod:a module named scsi_mod already exists /tmp/imm.o:int_module:no such device /tmp/ppa.o:int_module:no such device" After that my computer freezes and I have to restart. Linux still loads but not in xwindows like it is supposed to. I log into root then at the prompt I type: "startx". When I hit enter I get a message saying: "xauth: creating new authority file /root/.xauthority xauth:creating new authority file /root/.xauthority Execve failed for /x11/x (errno 2) giving up. xinit: no such file or directory (errno 2):Unabe to connect to x server xinit:no such process (errno 3): server error" My computer is a custom made 800mhz duron, 20 gig hd, 256mb ram, it has a Netgear FA311 Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter, SupraMax 56k PCI modem, AdvanceSys PCI SCSI Host Adapter, my graphics card is a S3 Graphics Inc ProSavage. I have tryed installing Linux 4 times and it has the same problem everytime. Im new to Linux so getting xwindows running is pretty important. Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks. -Derek From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Dec 22 15:22:41 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question In-Reply-To: <20011220.15261400@gromit.> References: <1008794125.2979.167.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <20011220.15261400@gromit.> Message-ID: <1008990853.1875.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 09:26, Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't think parted works with NTFS; does Partition Magic? He said he was running Win98. But, no, it doesn't support NTFS. From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Sat Dec 22 15:26:17 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin - spam checking nirvana In-Reply-To: <1008875263.1663.1.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <1008875263.1663.1.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011222044631.GA12026@lemongecko.org> Well, I'm not using spamassassin and Vipul's Razor in any sort of production environment (email server for me + three friends) but I really like it. I second Ben's anti-rant. :) One thing about which I'm concerned is poisoning the razor system. Based on some goofing around, it seems that the signature that razor computes is based only on the body of the message. What's to prevent someone from submitting, say, a TCLUG message to the razor system, preventing other razor-using TCLUG members from seeing the message? I'm bothered by this because the system seems "too good to be true", which makes me suspect that it really *is* too good to be true. But so far, spamassassin + razor has performed flawlessly. Perhaps I should "third" Ben's anti-rant... Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011222/cf87266e/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Sat Dec 22 15:29:46 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm-sensors w/ soyo dragon+ Message-ID: <20011220150756.GC27692@fandre.com> Jay, You ever get your lm-sensors working with your Dragon+? Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > I just emailed Soyo, and they said the chip used on the board is the > ite8705. The reason the adm1021 driver works is that the chip has some > similar functions. > > lm_sensors supports this chip in version 2.6.1. The module is the it87.o > module. If you use this one, you may be able to get your fan stuff working. > > > Let me know how it goes. I don't have time to mess with it until later > tonight. > > Jay From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sat Dec 22 15:33:20 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting December 20th Message-ID: Hey folks! Thanks to the planning efforts of (idiot) Ben, we'll be meeting at the Borealis Cafe tomorrow night 6-8pm. All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting See you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 22 15:36:49 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D26A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Now with that said, I would also like to say that those people who > griped about a petty thing like that are the same reason i am leaving > this mailing list and going elsewhere to get my Linux help. I find it > rude and appulsive that a person would pick suck a petty thing to > complain about. Actually, this is definitely one of the more useful lists I've been on. And while people complain about some things, it's usually not meant to be insulting, most of it is just sarcastic jibba-jabba. Of course, I was on the qmail mailing list for over a year, so it may have "hardened" my reaction to most of this stuff. If you are a truly masochistic person, go ahead and join the qmail mailing list. I guarantee you've never seen so much fighting, bickering, name calling, personal attacks, and attacks on people's mothers in one place. I've seen a single thread go way over a hundred separate messages, and every single message was some sort of direct insult to someone else on the list. Jay From dacross at nwc.edu Sat Dec 22 15:40:21 2001 From: dacross at nwc.edu (David Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Opensource interview for US News and World Report In-Reply-To: <1008861018.5619.5.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <200112191803.fBJI3pu19951@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <20011220072246.W19907@techmonkeys.org> <1008861018.5619.5.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <200112202246.fBKMkEL05101@sequoia.nwc.edu> On Thursday 20 December 2001 09:10 am, you wrote: > If you think these things are bad today, you should have tried to do > this stuff under linux 5 years ago. Before SDL, DRI, and X4..... I appreciate the advice to get these things working. Yeah, I started with getting interested in Linux about 3 years ago and I would say at that time Bill Gates' assesment of it being a "fringe" operating system was pretty accurate. I appreciate how far it has come, but I am eager to have more developers jump on board to make it simpler for the average user. I hate it when friends shell out $150-$200 every couple of years to upgrade to a technologically inferior OS because of the convenience of a friendly interface. David -- *********************** "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." --Jim Elliot, Missionary to the Waorani From wilson at visi.com Sat Dec 22 15:47:20 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtual domain for email Message-ID: Hi everyone, Santa's going to be delivering a domain name and little Web page to my parents this year. There's starting up a very small business and I noticed that the domain name was available and registered it. I plan to host a little Web page on my home server for them and I'm hoping to be able to handle some email with that domain as well. I've got a single static IP from Visi and I know that I can do name-based virtual hosting with Apache for the Web page. I'm wondering about the email though. My current domain is qwerk.org and I can send and receive mail through there. Can I, using a single IP address, get Postfix to handle email transparently for littlecreektrees.com as well? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 22 15:50:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netstumbler for linux?? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D288@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone know of anything like Netstumbler (netstumbler.com or .org, forget which) for linux? If not, has anyone made netstumbler work under wine? Jay From kbullock at ringworld.org Sat Dec 22 21:52:33 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More RH 7.2 Message-ID: <3C22C645.3040008@ringworld.org> Slainte -- Since the subject of RedHat 7.2 problems has come up, I also have a problem. I installed it on my second hard drive (Maxtor 6G, hdb) to play around with it, because I had heard good things about it. So I got it installed on the second try - the first time, I selected many packages, and the installer died just before starting to install packages. The second time I selected a basic standard set of packages (for a GNOME workstation) and let it go. It worked. The trouble is, it won't read either my CD-ROM or my CD-RW. The kernel seems to recognize they're there, but I can't mount any CDs (tried multiple different ones). mount seems to think the device isn't there. So here's my setup: - Epox MVP3-G2 motherboard, VIA ATA/66 chipset - K6-3/450 processor - Primary IDE chain: - 30G Maxtor HD (containing Debian, Windows, etc.) - 6G Maxtor HD (containing the RH install) - Secondary IDE chain: - Sony 8x4x32 CD-RW (hdc) - Generic CD-ROM 44X Any ideas? -- Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From tanner at real-time.com Sat Dec 22 21:56:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Plug-n-play vunerability + phone home = $$$$$ Message-ID: <20011222144905.N14555@real-time.com> Anyone ever think the plug-n-play vunerability might be an MS ploy to make people phone home to get the patch "and to put your mind at rest because all other patches will be installed automatically in the future". -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Dec 22 22:00:39 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009056449.1875.31.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 17:06, David Blevins wrote: > A final thing to consider is license. To be clear, GPL is _NOT_ Open > Source(sm). The Open Source Initiative (Eric Raymond) and the Free Software > Foundation (Richard Stallman) are two opposed groups, they don't get along > too well. > > Apache, FreeBSD, and Mozilla have true Open Source(sm) licenses. > Anything GNU is GPL free software, though the source is open, it's not an > Open Source(sm) approved license -- nor will it ever be as long as Richard > is alive. This is not true: http://opensource.org/docs/definition.html From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Dec 22 22:04:53 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Run a program, go to jail. In-Reply-To: <001301c18a7a$15d665a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <20011221181852.GD17091@fandre.com> <001301c18a7a$15d665a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <1009056537.1875.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 17:48, Mark Browne wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23477.html > > This link describes a fellow who downloaded a program to share > in a distributed processing effort. To some, this is a punishable offense. > Theft of services and all that. This is insane! He's looking at LIFE IN PRISON, for downloading a harmless program onto some computers? From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Dec 22 22:24:01 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Run a program, go to jail. In-Reply-To: <001301c18a7a$15d665a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <20011221181852.GD17091@fandre.com> <001301c18a7a$15d665a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <1009056537.1875.34.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 17:48, Mark Browne wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23477.html > > This link describes a fellow who downloaded a program to share > in a distributed processing effort. To some, this is a punishable offense. > Theft of services and all that. This is insane! He's looking at LIFE IN PRISON, for downloading a harmless program onto some computers? From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Dec 22 22:24:27 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Error with Xwindows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009057409.1875.49.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Have you tried manually specifying your video card? (no auto-detection). Also, when you first boot to the CD, instead of pressing Enter, press F1 and type "expert". On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 15:03, DCsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > Hello, I have Mandrake Linux 8.1 on my machine with Windows 98 also. When I > go through the installation of Linux it all goes good untill configuring the > color for xwindows. After I pick the colors and settings for my monitor I > click "ok". After that it goes to a black screen that says: > > "insmod:a module named scsi_mod already exists > /tmp/imm.o:int_module:no such device > /tmp/ppa.o:int_module:no such device" > > After that my computer freezes and I have to restart. Linux still loads but > not in xwindows like it is supposed to. I log into root then at the prompt I > type: "startx". When I hit enter I get a message saying: > > "xauth: creating new authority file /root/.xauthority > xauth:creating new authority file /root/.xauthority > > Execve failed for /x11/x (errno 2) > giving up. > xinit: no such file or directory (errno 2):Unabe to connect to x server > xinit:no such process (errno 3): server error" > > My computer is a custom made 800mhz duron, 20 gig hd, 256mb ram, it has a > Netgear FA311 Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter, SupraMax 56k PCI modem, AdvanceSys > PCI SCSI Host Adapter, I also have a CD Burner with my computer. I have tryed > installing Linux 4 times and it has the same problem everytime. Im new to > Linux so getting xwindows running is pretty important. Any help is greatly > appreciated, Thanks. > -Derek > > From peter-clark at tides.com Sun Dec 23 01:58:10 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200112222147.fBMLkJV103118@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> On Friday 21 December 2001 17:06, you wrote: > A final thing to consider is license. ?To be clear, GPL is _NOT_ Open > Source(sm). ?The Open Source Initiative (Eric Raymond) and the Free > Software Foundation (Richard Stallman) are two opposed groups, they don't > get along too well. > > Apache, FreeBSD, and Mozilla have true Open Source(sm) licenses. > Anything GNU is GPL free software, though the source is open, it's not an > Open Source(sm) approved license -- nor will it ever be as long as Richard > is alive. One glitch to an otherwise excellent post: the GPL *IS* an Open Source(tm) approved license. In fact, if you go to the "approved licenses page" at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/, you'll see that it is the very FIRST license listed. And there's not that much hostility between the FSF and OSI--just philosophical disagreements. And AFAIK, RMS is still alive and kicking--although maybe not kicking as hard as he was before, ever since he got a lot of flack over his comments on the Skylarov case... Hmm--is there any page that succinctly describes the differences between the licences? I'm quite familiar with the GPL, LGPL, BSD, and QPL, but not so well with the others. The legalese tends to make my eyes cross and my vision blur... :Peter From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 23 02:02:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netstumbler for linux?? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D289@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Doh, this was supposed to go to the TCWUG list.... But I assume everyone on that list is also on this one. (and I didn't didn't remove Troy from the To: list either). Wow, me and email, not getting along well today. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:15 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Troy.A Johnson > Subject: [TCLUG] Netstumbler for linux?? > > > Does anyone know of anything like Netstumbler > (netstumbler.com or .org, > forget which) for linux? > > If not, has anyone made netstumbler work under wine? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From schanno at tcfreenet.org Sun Dec 23 02:07:33 2001 From: schanno at tcfreenet.org (Terry R Schanno) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <3C22C645.3040008@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011222221925.D91978-100000@tcfreenet.org> Did you make sure that you have support for ISO 9660 installed in your kernel, and that you used the -tiso9660 option when trying to mount the drives? From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Dec 23 02:11:42 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB in recent kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have had no problems with the USB support in 2.4.16, i was using a USB mouse and Network Device for about a month without a problem, -munir On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Can anyone get USB support going in the latest kernel releases? Ever since > 2.4.16 USB adding USB support makes the build fail. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From florin at iucha.net Sun Dec 23 02:15:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <3C22C645.3040008@ringworld.org>; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 11:19:01PM -0600 References: <3C22C645.3040008@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011223002454.A10550@iucha.net> On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 11:19:01PM -0600, Kevin Bullock wrote: > Since the subject of RedHat 7.2 problems has come up, I also have a > problem. I installed it on my second hard drive (Maxtor 6G, hdb) to play > around with it, because I had heard good things about it. So I got it > installed on the second try - the first time, I selected many packages, > and the installer died just before starting to install packages. The > second time I selected a basic standard set of packages (for a GNOME > workstation) and let it go. It worked. > > The trouble is, it won't read either my CD-ROM or my CD-RW. The kernel > seems to recognize they're there, but I can't mount any CDs (tried > multiple different ones). mount seems to think the device isn't there. What commands are you using for mount? What /etc/modules.conf say? What lsmod say (before and after trying to mount a cd)? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It works. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011223/660954d2/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Sun Dec 23 02:23:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtual domain for email In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 09:08:44AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011222181325.C5447@iucha.net> On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 09:08:44AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Santa's going to be delivering a domain name and little Web page to my > parents this year. There's starting up a very small business and I > noticed that the domain name was available and registered it. I plan to > host a little Web page on my home server for them and I'm hoping to be > able to handle some email with that domain as well. > > I've got a single static IP from Visi and I know that I can do > name-based virtual hosting with Apache for the Web page. I'm wondering > about the email though. My current domain is qwerk.org and I can send > and receive mail through there. Can I, using a single IP address, get > Postfix to handle email transparently for littlecreektrees.com as well? Coming in it's easy: append littlecreektrees.com to "mydestination" in /etc/postfix/main.cf . Going out it's trickier: if that box handles email only for littlecreektrees.com then add "myorigin = littlecreektrees.com" and "append_at_myorigin = yes" to /etc/postfix/main.cf . That is called "trivial rewrite". If that box has to handle more mailhosts then... I don't know but for sure it can be done. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011223/4548c3ee/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Sun Dec 23 20:14:25 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtual domain for email In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 09:08:44AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011223011239.A3388@flanders.digsol.net> On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 09:08:44AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've got a single static IP from Visi and I know that I can do > name-based virtual hosting with Apache for the Web page. I'm wondering > about the email though. My current domain is qwerk.org and I can send > and receive mail through there. Can I, using a single IP address, get > Postfix to handle email transparently for littlecreektrees.com as well? > Can't speak for postfix but qmail hanldles them quite well marc From churchid at visi.com Sun Dec 23 20:18:00 2001 From: churchid at visi.com (Dan Churchill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question In-Reply-To: <1008990853.1875.7.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > I don't think parted works with NTFS; does Partition Magic? > > He said he was running Win98. But, no, it doesn't support NTFS. I just want to clarify which noun "it" is refering to. I think you mean parted doesn't support NTFS (I personally don't know). But I do know that Partition Magic does support NTFS in version 4 and newer. It may have supported NTFS before v.4, I don't know. From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Dec 23 20:19:52 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books Message-ID: I am interested in starting a collection of old books that cover basic microprocessor and minicomputer operation and theory. They need not be "famous" texts, most any title would be appreciated. I think that a great deal can be learned from these "obsolete" texts that shed a lot of light and appreciation on how systems operate today. Are there any sources anyone can recommend on acquiring many of the old texts that are undoubtably out of print? Thanks. - Jamie -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Dec 23 20:21:39 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: More RH 7.2 In-Reply-To: <3C22C645.3040008@ringworld.org> References: <3C22C645.3040008@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011223021411.K22432@ringworld.org> * Kevin Bullock [011222 21:54]: > The trouble is, it won't read either my CD-ROM or my CD-RW. The kernel > seems to recognize they're there, but I can't mount any CDs (tried Are you using the /dev/sdc* dev entries? Many 'modern' distributions use ide-scsi so burning is presetup. I get this effect using discover. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Dec 23 20:23:26 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Getting started with an open source project In-Reply-To: <1009056449.1875.31.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <1009056449.1875.31.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011223021554.L22432@ringworld.org> * ScanMan [011222 22:02]: > On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 17:06, David Blevins wrote: > > A final thing to consider is license. To be clear, GPL is _NOT_ Open > > Source(sm). The Open Source Initiative (Eric Raymond) and the Free Software > This is not true: http://opensource.org/docs/definition.html Which was also primarily based off of the DFSG, which definately allows GPL. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From peter-clark at tides.com Sun Dec 23 20:25:15 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB in recent kernels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200112222139.fBMLcYV94724@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> On Friday 21 December 2001 18:08, you wrote: > Hey, > > Can anyone get USB support going in the latest kernel releases? Ever since > 2.4.16 USB adding USB support makes the build fail. I've been tearing my hair out over USB as of late. The kernel builds fine (vanilla 2.4.16), but USB has been flakey, to say the least. Upon rebooting, I get errors like "usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout". I just got the 2.4.16->2.4.17 patch and will see if the new kernel improves matters. How are your builds failing? And what options are you using? For USB, mine are: CONFIG_USB=y CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y CONFIG_USB_UHCI=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m CONFIG_USB_SCANNER=m :Peter From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 23 20:27:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spamassassin - spam checking nirvana In-Reply-To: <20011222044631.GA12026@lemongecko.org> References: <1008875263.1663.1.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20011222044631.GA12026@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <1009127684.8309.0.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 22:46, Dan Drake wrote: > One thing about which I'm concerned is poisoning the razor system. > Based on some goofing around, it seems that the signature that razor > computes is based only on the body of the message. What's to prevent > someone from submitting, say, a TCLUG message to the razor system, > preventing other razor-using TCLUG members from seeing the message? I _believe_ the signature is based on the entire mail and not just the headers. So it wouldn't stop you from getting another mail from a given poster, but it will prevent you from getting the same mail again. So the way it works is that the first person to submit a signature for say....a toner spam.... would prevent any other razor-check users from getting that particular spam. Since all the posts to the list are "new" or should be, this shouldn't cause a problem since theoretically we should all get the mail at approximately the same time (barring one of Bob's wicked LKML injections, or your ISP's mailserver downtime) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The original message has been altered > SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future, using > SPAM: the built-in mail filtering support in your mail reader. > SPAM: > SPAM: Content analysis details: (5.6 hits, 5 required) > SPAM: Hit! (2 points) Bulk email software fingerprints found in headers > SPAM: Hit! (1.2 points) From: does not include a real name > SPAM: Hit! (1.6 points) From: ends in numbers > SPAM: Hit! (0.8 points) BODY: /^[^<]{199,}$/m > SPAM: > SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, my /etc/postfix/sender_canonical has the following in it: timshel timshel@myprovider.com wayne wayne@hisprovider.com dylan dk@thatotherprovider.com.au @knoll.ln timshel@myprovider.com So mail `From: timshel' will be re-written to be from `timshel@myprovider.com', `From: wayne' will be re-written to `From: wayne@hisprovider.com', ..., and all other mail `From: @knoll.ln' will be re-written to be `From: timshel@myprovider.com'. Once the file has been created, create the sender_canonical.db file by running `postmap sender_canonical' from the /etc/postfix directory. Then add the following config option to your main.cf: sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical This should be all that's required to get it working. See canonical(5) for more info on the canonical and sender_canonical tables. You can also do re-writing based on regular expressions, see regexp_table(5), if you wish. --- cut here --- Hope this helps, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Dec 23 20:34:48 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem stuff Message-ID: <20011223142248.N22432@ringworld.org> I'm begenning the adventure by buying a cable modem (linksys) and trying to replace my 3com modem with it. AT&T says its supported, people in MN have said its 'easy'. I'll keep people posted when I do the changeover. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 23 20:36:41 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xwindows problem Message-ID: <20011223142538.B1394@real-time.com> On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 09:36:58PM -0500, DCsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > Hello, I have Mandrake Linux 8.1 on my machine with Windows 98 also. When I go through the installation of Linux it all goes good untill configuring the color for xwindows. After I pick the colors and settings for my monitor I click "ok". After that it goes to a black screen that says: > > "insmod:a module named scsi_mod already exists > /tmp/imm.o:int_module:no such device > /tmp/ppa.o:int_module:no such device" looks like something other than X is at fault here. rather than try to go through a complicated debugging/fixing process; I'm going to advise that the simple answer is, to try another distro. get a copy of redhat 7.2; see if that will install. if that too fails; then we try other things. :) best answer would be to bring it to an installfest; but it may be a while until the next one, since the last one was not too long ago. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dmblevins at mediaone.net Sun Dec 23 21:10:00 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project -- Interesting notes on me being wrong ;) In-Reply-To: <200112222147.fBMLkJV103118@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Peter, Thanks for your corrections, you're absolutely right. I went back to "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution" to try and figure out how I had gotten this part so backwards and rediscovered a few interesting things. It's strange how things get twisted in you head over time, has anyone ever seen that Kids In The Hall sketch "Don't Put Salt In Your Eye", its completely related to that phenomena. Anyway, here are the sources of my bogus "facts" about licenses. There is a fair amount of irony in my mistakes which I think is interesting enough to share. Bogus fact 1: GPL is not Open Source: My confusion comes from reading Bruce Perens' annotated analysis of the Open Source Definition in his chapter in "Open Sources". His annotation is of course mixed in with the actual definition, his comments are in italics, the definition itself is in regular face. In his annotations and the license analysis sections afterward cleary show his preference for BSD style licenses. Any mention of GPL terms comes with his explanation of why it is a disadvantage. As he and Eric created the Open Source Definition because they didn't agree with a few specific aspects of the GPL, it's understandable why his chapter reads more persuasively than purely informational. The Ironic part: Right there in section 10 of the Open Source Definition, it lists GNU GPL as the very first example license. Further more, if you read the Open Source Definition without Bruce's own commentary, it has a completely different tone. Bogus fact 2: Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond don't get along. This turned out to be a very interesting part of open source folklore, but one that isn't entirely without grounds. In Richard's chapter in "Open Sources", he of course promotes the free software ideal and license. Any time he refers to Open Source, he puts it in quotes as if to say so-called, or not-quite, or blatantly question it's legitimacy. He even has this to say about "Open Source", Teaching new users about freedom became more difficult in 1998, when part of the community decided to stop using the term free software and say "open-source software" instead. Some who favored this term aimed to avoid the confusion of "free" with "gratis"--a valid goal. Others, however, aimed to set aside the spirit of principle that had motivated the free software movement and the GNU project, and to appeal instead to executives and business users, many of whom hold and ideology that places profit above freedom, above community, above principle. Thus, the rhetoric of "Open Source" focuses on the potential to make high quality, powerful software, but shuns the ideas of freedom, community, and principle. --Richard Stallman, Open Sources, O'Reilly 1999, p. 69 Come on Richard, tell us what you really feel ;) I'm quite sure he and Eric could get together for lunch and have a good time, but it's quite obvious how Richard feels about the path his former free software disciple has chosen. Eric doesn't really give his side of the story in so many words, but Bruce (Open Source co-founder) addresses the issue directly. When Bruce describes how the Open Source Initiative, Definition, and the Open Source service mark was born, he does so in a much different tone than Richard. Richard Stallman later took exception to the campaign's lack of an emphasis in freedom, and the fact that as Open Source became more popular, his role in the genesis of free software, and that of his Free Software Foundation, were being ignored--he complained of being "written out of history." This situation was made worse by a tendency for people in the industry to compare Raymond and Stallman as if they were components of competing philosophies rather than people who were using different methods to market the same concept. I probably exacerbated the situation by pitting Stallman and Raymond against each other in debates at Linux Expo and Open Source Expo. It became so popular to type-cast the two as adversaries that an email debate, never intended for publication, appeared [in] the online journal Salon. At that point, I asked Raymond to tone down a dialog that it had never been his intent to enter. --Bruce Perens, Open Sources, O'Reilly 1999, p. 174 The most interesting part of Bruce's statement is that he explains part of the reason for the Stallman vs Raymond mindset, is due to "people in the industry" viewing them both as competing philosophies. This is quite ironic as Richard Stallman's own words, in the very same book, promote that exact idea. I do not think that Eric or Bruce would describe the Open Source Initiative as a group that "shuns the ideas of freedom, community, and principle." I just can't help but imagine their relationship as anything more than a mutual toleration. Perhaps one side is more willing to burry the hatchet than the other. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Peter Clark > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project > > > On Friday 21 December 2001 17:06, you wrote: > > A final thing to consider is license. ?To be clear, GPL is _NOT_ Open > > Source(sm). ?The Open Source Initiative (Eric Raymond) and the Free > > Software Foundation (Richard Stallman) are two opposed groups, > they don't > > get along too well. > > > > Apache, FreeBSD, and Mozilla have true Open Source(sm) licenses. > > Anything GNU is GPL free software, though the source is open, > it's not an > > Open Source(sm) approved license -- nor will it ever be as long > as Richard > > is alive. > > One glitch to an otherwise excellent post: the GPL *IS* an > Open Source(tm) > approved license. In fact, if you go to the "approved licenses page" at > http://www.opensource.org/licenses/, you'll see that it is the very FIRST > license listed. > And there's not that much hostility between the FSF and OSI--just > philosophical disagreements. > And AFAIK, RMS is still alive and kicking--although maybe > not kicking as > hard as he was before, ever since he got a lot of flack over his > comments on > the Skylarov case... > Hmm--is there any page that succinctly describes the > differences between the > licences? I'm quite familiar with the GPL, LGPL, BSD, and QPL, but not so > well with the others. The legalese tends to make my eyes cross > and my vision > blur... > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Mon Dec 24 14:25:59 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project Message-ID: <01C18BD5.9322A260.eng@pinenet.com> There will certainly be more competent respondents than me, but I'll offer my two cents. I'm impressed with IBM's work. Big Blue has always been forward looking and of the highest quality. Their efforts to develop (and train others to develop) Linux are very professional. I visited their many Linux development forums a few times and was encouraged to proceed beyond my skill level. -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre [SMTP:clay@fandre.com] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:19 PM To: tclug-list Subject: [TCLUG] Getting started with an open source project I'm working for a "corporate" client that wants to start an open-source project, but lacks experience with open-source projects and isn't sure how they operate. To get a better idea of how the world of OSS works, they would like to "get their feet wet" by contributing to an existing project, and eventually starting their own. They have asked me to provide some "knowledge" and experience on how they can get started, since they know I run the TCLUG. Since I know some of you have contributed to projects more than I have, I am asking you. Does anyone have past experiences with OSS projects that you could share? Lessons learned? Thanks. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 24 14:28:24 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netstumbler for linux?? Message-ID: <20011223171954.A2131@real-time.com> On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 12:15:19PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know of anything like Netstumbler (netstumbler.com or .org, > forget which) for linux? yes there is. I believe it's 'dstumbler' (or else that might be the BSD stuff...). don't remember details right now. (damn failing analog memory...) Nate Carlson knows. he plays with that stuff regularly. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From peter-clark at tides.com Mon Dec 24 14:30:10 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update Message-ID: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Well, in other news, I managed to get USB working properly. How's this for weirdness: USB would work fine under X, but if I were to switch to a text console (say vt1) I would get timeout errors. Finally, I got a clue and checked /proc/interrupts. Oddly enough, interrupt 10 was shared by both USB and NVidia. "Ah!" says I, "Check BIOS!" So after a quick slap of the hand to the head, I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, USB was not assigned an interrupt, but AGP was. One reboot later, interrupt 10 is assigned to NVidia, and 11 to USB. And there was much rejoicing. Just in case anyone cared... :Peter From peter-clark at tides.com Mon Dec 24 14:32:26 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any print guru want a free dinner? Message-ID: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Ok, I'm desperate. I've sunk to a record low. I need to turn my current Lexmark Z51 paperweight into something useful...like a printer. I have been experimenting for months with different print managers; currently I'm trying CUPS. So far, no joy. I also just tried PDQ and LPRng. No go. Yes, I know it's a crappy winprinter. It came with the marriage. :( But I have been taunted by reports on the 'net saying that such-and-such managed to get their Z51 working. Apperently, it works great in Mandrake. But I'm running Debian. (Although I am tempted to switch over to the Dark Side: if I get Mandrake, then I can get the Sims and make my wife happy, too...) Lord knows I have tried. Anyone who remembers me from the InstallFest (guy with the green case) knows that I spent half the bleedin' time trying to get the printer to print. I've tried everything I can think of, and yet it still doesn't print! I don't want to get a new printer, because I am not entirely sure that the problem is not with my system. If you're willing to have a go at it, write back ASAP! Thanks, :Peter From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Dec 24 14:34:18 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] masqerading In-Reply-To: <001501c1896e$b456cd80$0f617618@genx>; from evisuale@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 09:55:10AM -0600 References: <001501c1896e$b456cd80$0f617618@genx> Message-ID: <20011223191447.A25063@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 09:55:10AM -0600, Erick Stohr wrote: [tale of ipchains/masq woe snipped] > Do I need to do something with the output and input chains? That > is the only thing I can think that I may be missing. I have > re-looked, and not hard, through the IPCHAINS HOW-TO but did not > find what I was looking for. Thanks for any help. Some ideas: 1. is your routing on the firewall box set up correctly? 2. have a look at the IP-Masquerade-HOWTO, at e.g. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org From gmcdavid at winternet.com Mon Dec 24 14:36:12 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I am interested in starting a collection of old books that cover > basic microprocessor and minicomputer operation and theory. They need not > be "famous" texts, most any title would be appreciated. I think that a > great deal can be learned from these "obsolete" texts that shed a lot of > light and appreciation on how systems operate today. > > Are there any sources anyone can recommend on acquiring many of the > old texts that are undoubtably out of print? Thanks. You might want to look in the basement of Laurie's bookstore, downtown Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall between 9th and 10th. I have found some oldies-but-goodies there. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Dec 24 14:38:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Getting started with an open source project -- Interesting notes on me being wrong ;) In-Reply-To: References: <200112222147.fBMLkJV103118@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011223213023.P22432@ringworld.org> * David Blevins [011223 21:11]: > --Bruce Perens, Open Sources, O'Reilly 1999, p. 174 > The most interesting part of Bruce's statement is that he explains part of > the reason for the Stallman vs Raymond mindset, is due to "people in the > I just can't help but imagine their relationship as anything more than a > mutual toleration. Perhaps one side is more willing to burry the hatchet > than the other. First, trim your notes. Second, for cool historical value: http://web.archive.org/web/20011223192851/http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-1996/msg00008.html http://web.archive.org/web/19970414141107/www.debian.org/cooperation.html -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Dec 24 14:39:55 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009166915.1208.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have a couple books I probably won't ever use for anything...like my 6502 machine language programmers manual. However I won't part with my Apple II DOS manual still in the original plastic. Brady > I am interested in starting a collection of old books that cover > basic microprocessor and minicomputer operation and theory. They need not > be "famous" texts, most any title would be appreciated. I think that a > great deal can be learned from these "obsolete" texts that shed a lot of > light and appreciation on how systems operate today. > > Are there any sources anyone can recommend on acquiring many of the > old texts that are undoubtably out of print? Thanks. > > > > - Jamie > > -- > > "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Mon Dec 24 14:41:51 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Name-based virtual host config in Apache Message-ID: Hi everyone, I started what I'd assumed to be an easy task tonight, setting up a name-based virtual host on my home server. I looked at the docs and it seems very simple...too simple. :-) I've got two domains I want to host: qwerk.org and littlecreektrees.com I created /var/www/qwerk.org and /var/www/littlecreektrees.com to hold the files and set up the VirtualHost directives like so: (will add more directives later when I get it working) NameVirtualHost 208.42.140.222:80 ServerName www.qwerk.org DocumentRoot /var/www/qwerk.org ServerAlias qwerk.org *.qwerk.org ServerName www.littlecreektrees.com DocumentRoot /var/www/littlecreektrees.com ServerAlias littlecreektrees.com *.littlecreektrees.com Now when I try to hit either Web page, I get the directory listing for /var/www instead. I noticed that srm.com also has a DocumentRoot directive and I can change that to match one of the virtual hosts's DocumentRoot settings and all works well. For that host only unfortunately. Aren't the DocumentRoot directives inside a supposed to override what is given elsewhere? I tried removing the DocumentRoot from srm.conf, but that broke everything. Any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tl at assimilated.org Mon Dec 24 14:43:42 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB in recent kernels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011224063022.GA21754@assimilated.org> On Dec 21 at 06:08PM Yaron wrote: > Hey, > Can anyone get USB support going in the latest kernel releases? > Ever since 2.4.16 USB adding USB support makes the build fail. 2.4.16 and 17 + USB both compile and run flawlessly for me with a usb printer and a usb mouse. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 24 14:45:34 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions Message-ID: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> A few questions I have after I installed Debian Potato 2.2r4 for a firewall/gateway machine: 1) How do I get the second NIC card up for my external IP address? I know it's something similar to this: " ifconfig eth1 address netmask broadcast " Also, how do I get it to stay in case the system needs to be rebooted? Do I add it to rc.local? 2) For ip-chains and ip-filter, what packages do I need to install? Someone mentioned it once before, but I haven't had a chance to dig through the archives to try and find it. Also, I saw some of these options when I first started the install, but I wasn't exactly certain as to which one I needed, so I left it alone and didn't select any. I have some other questions as well, but I'll wait until I get these things figured out first. I'm also reading the "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book by O'Reilly but it's taking some time to get through it all as well.... Thanks for any help I can get on this. My apologies for being some simple questions that I or someone have asked before. Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to go through the archives to search. Shawn From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Mon Dec 24 14:51:25 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight glitch with spamassassin. [Fwd: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] xwindows problem] In-Reply-To: <1009127884.8308.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <1009127884.8308.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1009177309.3897.3.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2001-12-23 at 11:18, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Here's a valid LUG post that got snagged though. But this is partly due > to the poster having an a-typical AOLer address, and mailman headers. I > need to whitelist mn-linux.org and real-time.com it looks like. Sorry if I sound elitist, but do people with addreses like 37337HaX0R@aol.com really deserve to be able to post to the list? From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Dec 24 14:53:08 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight glitch with spamassassin. [Fwd: */*/*/*/*SPAM*/*/*/*/* [TCLUG] xwindows problem] In-Reply-To: <1009127884.8308.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <200112240921.fBO9L2426889@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> My copy of spamassassin caught your mail as spam. The **SPAM** in the subject line is what the procmail filter uses to send the spam to the caughtspam mail box. I've had enough TCLUG mail get caught due to sender having numbers in the from address and being from earthlink that I have added a rule to subtract 5 points if the subject line has TCLUG in it. Ben Lutgens said: > Here's a valid LUG post that got snagged though. But this is partly due > to the poster having an a-typical AOLer address, and mailman headers. I > need to whitelist mn-linux.org and real-time.com it looks like. > From dmblevins at mediaone.net Mon Dec 24 14:54:53 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba printer share Message-ID: My Samba printer share is behaving strangely, it mayu seem quite logical to someone else, but it's like voodoo to me. I have one user fully setup in my smbpasswd file, joecool for example, and another one in the smbpasswd but I haven't ran that change passwd tool in it yet so that user can't login to any shares yet. I have two Win2k computers that both have the joecool account, same password and everything. On one computer (a desktop), i am able to login to my home directory and install the printer 'P1100' as a network printer, and I can print too, so that's great. But on my other win2k computer (a laptop) I can't install the network 'P1100' printer but I can login to my home directory. Same user, same rights on both machines, but completely different results. The I keep getting access denied on the laptop while trying to install the printer. Anyone have a clue? But what I am really trying to do is allow any user, a guest user, to see and use the network printer. I have the printer section of my smb.conf setup with 'yes' to everything and even added the 'public = yes' to it, but no luck. I am of course restarting Samba after any changes to the smb.conf. Here is the printer section of my config: [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba browseable = yes # Set public = yes to allow user 'guest account' to print public = yes guest ok = yes writable = yes printable = yes And just to make things easy, I have the 'guest account' option in the [general] section set to joecool, so it is a valid user. Maybe that is part of the problem. Any ideas? From rechpj at bitstream.net Mon Dec 24 14:56:42 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsoldier In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:40:55PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011224062734.A906@bitstream.net> Does anyone play xsoldier? Is so, how do you kill that big ship/thing that goes back and forth at the top of the screen? Fun little game but almost nothing to be found anywhere about how to play it. Any other game recommendations for a 5 and a 6 year old would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Mon Dec 24 14:58:43 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question Message-ID: Partition Magic 5.0 or newer should support NTFS. I'm not sure about previous releases. I use 5.0 and it supports making NTFS partitions for W2K/XP for me. > On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 09:26, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I don't think parted works with NTFS; does Partition Magic? > > He said he was running Win98. But, no, it doesn't support NTFS. PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 24 15:16:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem stuff Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> This isn't a replacement though is it? Isn't it just a little NAT firewall thingy that you plug your cable modem into? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem stuff > > > I'm begenning the adventure by buying a cable modem (linksys) > and trying to replace my 3com modem with it. AT&T says its > supported, people in MN have said its 'easy'. I'll keep > people posted when I do the changeover. > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ > > ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came > up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do > you respond to some people who say you're spending too much > time on state security and not enough time on Major League > Baseball and the Twins?" > -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 > on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial > justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 24 15:18:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> There's a used book store in dinkytown down the block from Espresso Royale. In the basement, they have *tons* of old computer books from the 70's and 80's, and they are all cheap. Lots of interesting stuff there since it's near the U of MN campus. I got myself a TRS-80 assembly language book there for 50 cents. :) One day, Linux will boot off an audio tape.... Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Ostrowski [mailto:jamie@getsetnet.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books > > > > > > > I am interested in starting a collection of old books > that cover basic microprocessor and minicomputer operation > and theory. They need not be "famous" texts, most any title > would be appreciated. I think that a great deal can be > learned from these "obsolete" texts that shed a lot of light > and appreciation on how systems operate today. > > Are there any sources anyone can recommend on acquiring > many of the old texts that are undoubtably out of print? Thanks. > > > > - Jamie > > -- > > "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From houle at citilink.com Mon Dec 24 15:19:47 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown Message-ID: Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work and I have to reset. I know it is not good but the only option in Windows when it hangs up. I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is difference? From chrome at real-time.com Thu Dec 27 02:28:02 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net>; from peter-clark@tides.com on Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:56:04PM -0600 References: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011224151532.B6942@real-time.com> > interrupt, but AGP was. One reboot later, interrupt 10 is assigned to NVidia, > and 11 to USB. And there was much rejoicing. > Just in case anyone cared... in fact we do care. posts like these, about how you made something *work*, not just about how something doesn't work; make a big difference to the next guy who comes google-searching with the same problem. :) so thanks much for enlightening the rest of us. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Dec 27 02:31:38 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> References: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <1009232286.3881.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2001-12-23 at 18:56, Peter Clark wrote: > Well, in other news, I managed to get USB working properly. How's this for > weirdness: USB would work fine under X, but if I were to switch to a text > console (say vt1) I would get timeout errors. Finally, I got a clue and > checked /proc/interrupts. Oddly enough, interrupt 10 was shared by both USB > and NVidia. "Ah!" says I, "Check BIOS!" So after a quick slap of the hand to > the head, I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, USB was not assigned an > interrupt, but AGP was. One reboot later, interrupt 10 is assigned to NVidia, > and 11 to USB. And there was much rejoicing. Imagine trying to diagnose THAT one under Winblows! From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Dec 27 02:33:23 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any print guru want a free dinner? In-Reply-To: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> References: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <1009232612.23574.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2001-12-23 at 18:49, Peter Clark wrote: > I've tried everything I can think of, and yet it still doesn't print! I > don't want to get a new printer, because I am not entirely sure that the > problem is not with my system. If you're willing to have a go at it, write > back ASAP! I have a Lexmark 3200, which uses the same protocol (or so I hear) as the Z51. Although print drivers do exist for it, they are pretty useless for anything more than black text. Trying to do color results in a muddy, wet mess. Why not get a new printer? They're dirt cheap now. HP DeskJets are especially well supported. From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Dec 27 02:35:18 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsoldier In-Reply-To: <20011224062734.A906@bitstream.net> References: <20011224062734.A906@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <1009232782.3881.15.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 06:27, Paul Rech wrote: > Is so, how do you kill that big ship/thing that goes back and forth > at the top of the screen? You dodge it's laser beams while shooting the little weak spot in the middle. It will blink if you've hit he weak spot IIRC. > Any other game recommendations for a 5 and a 6 year old would be > appreciated. Xmame, or maybe Xevil. >:) From florin at iucha.net Thu Dec 27 02:49:11 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <01122402064202.00431@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 02:06:42AM -0600 References: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> Message-ID: <20011224182233.A10936@iucha.net> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 02:06:42AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > A few questions I have after I installed Debian Potato 2.2r4 for a > firewall/gateway machine: > > 1) How do I get the second NIC card up for my external IP address? I know > it's something similar to this: " ifconfig eth1 address netmask #> broadcast " Also, how do I get it to stay in case the system needs > to be rebooted? Do I add it to rc.local? /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/spoof-protect florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011227/be356df0/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Thu Dec 27 02:51:06 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: ; from houle@citilink.com on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011224182736.B10936@iucha.net> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work > and I have to reset. I know it is not good but the only option in Windows > when it hangs up. It depends. You can have bad luck... I got the box to hang on me a couple of times (*) and nothing bad happened. Of course the files I had open were more or less toasted, but the box came up fine. Ext3 in full journal mode is supposed to alleviate most of the problems. > I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is > difference? Most of the time, in this respect, no. florin (*) KDE + X driver or mozilla + X driver -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011227/9a98664f/attachment.pgp From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Thu Dec 27 02:53:04 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> References: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> Message-ID: <20011225013938.GA18736@lemongecko.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 02:06AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > 2) For ip-chains and ip-filter, what packages do I need to install? Someone Welcome to the wonder that is Debian. You should be able to do apt-get install ipchains (as root) and it will automatically tell you about other packages that need to be installed. All you'll have to do is hit 'y'. That alone would make me prefer Debian to Red Hat: virtually zero DLL hell. Some people like dselect, deity, or what have you. Use what you like; they all do more or less the same thing. Remember, though: ipchains is for 2.2 kernels, ipfilter is for 2.4 kernels. Debian stable is still using 2.2 kernels. Another tip that took me a long time to learn: "apt-cache" is your friend. Do "apt-cache search foo" to list all packages that refer to "foo" and "apt-cache show foobar" will show a description of package foobar. It beats going to debian.org all the time. Dan who would rather check email than see It's A Wonderful Life *again*... :) -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011227/246bfa90/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Dec 27 02:55:10 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm just trolling for console newsreader suggestions. I know there are plenty of standard packages out there and I figure people have already tried a few. If you know how to get pine to do news that's a bonus. Thanks in advance, Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8J/hFfexLsowstzcRAvD2AKCaJxJ3EQyemiyOx+1iwsSANl8t9QCgk4Xe 42cDW5l49qxMLWFePHVneY4= =liib -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Dec 27 02:57:13 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xsoldier In-Reply-To: <20011224062734.A906@bitstream.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Um... shoot it a bunch? That's how I've always killed it. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > Does anyone play xsoldier? > > Is so, how do you kill that big ship/thing that goes back and forth > at the top of the screen? > > Fun little game but almost nothing to be found anywhere about how > to play it. > > Any other game recommendations for a 5 and a 6 year old would be > appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- > Paul Rech > pauljrech@acm.org > rechpj@bitstream.net > prsyscon@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8J/iSfexLsowstzcRAgu0AKDE6mxcH7eA/qqAtmbMC3/7olYhdwCfagH5 Q7zrQW7NcSNDZIg0M5F2QTg= =hGMR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Dec 27 02:59:12 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well... because Linux caches so much stuff it's more likely than not to need to flush it's various caches on shutdown. Also consider that you usually run a multitude of services that keep various files open which may or may not need to be synched up. All in all, while you won't corrupt your registry in some magical way you may do damage to your file system and that can be A Bad Thing(tm)(R). If you really are locked up then you just don't have a choice so you get to cold boot anyway. This particular issue is why you should use a kernel with the sysrq support built in. I used the sequence 'SUB' to Sync all io, Unmount everything it could and reBoot. When that didn't work the system was already hosed anyway but it's an attempt to get somewhere prior to just turning things off. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work > and I have to reset. I know it is not good but the only option in Windows > when it hangs up. > I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is > difference? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8J/m4fexLsowstzcRAl0RAJ9kF9sIkA94miTn6UlfjykAvdmVcgCeMTLq 8YeZgf/LvoqUNZaLnPKN3mM= =ripK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Dec 27 03:01:44 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Name-based virtual host config in Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So here's my stripped down httpd.conf file. While it's unrelated to your problem check out ServerSignature and ServerTokens. I've got mine set so the http header does not broadcast what OS, apache rev, loaded modules I'm using. That's just information people don't need to know. Especially the modules and apache rev. Now that I'm looking at this I think the primary difference between yours and my config is that my default domain is also specified as a vhost. I seem to recall having similar issues and it's likely that I settled on that as a solution. The default server is specified in the "main" config and also mentioned in the vhost config. ServerRoot "/var/www" Port 80 ServerName www.greentechnologist.org DocumentRoot "/home/vhosts/greentechnologist/WWW" UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature Off ServerTokens ProductOnly Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all Include conf/vhost.conf # and now vhost.conf NameVirtualHost 198.144.10.226 ServerName www.greentech ...... Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I started what I'd assumed to be an easy task tonight, setting up a > name-based virtual host on my home server. I looked at the docs and it > seems very simple...too simple. :-) > > I've got two domains I want to host: qwerk.org and littlecreektrees.com > > I created /var/www/qwerk.org and /var/www/littlecreektrees.com to hold > the files and set up the VirtualHost directives like so: (will add more > directives later when I get it working) > > NameVirtualHost 208.42.140.222:80 > > > ServerName www.qwerk.org > DocumentRoot /var/www/qwerk.org > ServerAlias qwerk.org *.qwerk.org > > > > ServerName www.littlecreektrees.com > DocumentRoot /var/www/littlecreektrees.com > ServerAlias littlecreektrees.com *.littlecreektrees.com > > > Now when I try to hit either Web page, I get the directory listing for > /var/www instead. I noticed that srm.com also has a DocumentRoot > directive and I can change that to match one of the virtual hosts's > DocumentRoot settings and all works well. For that host only > unfortunately. > > Aren't the DocumentRoot directives inside a supposed to > override what is given elsewhere? I tried removing the DocumentRoot from > srm.conf, but that broke everything. > > Any ideas? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8J/4zfexLsowstzcRAh8mAJ9i3R4Ve9NtLFUvMGkhjtHO7dE8hgCgyWD8 gCbXkHrgowqr1aiNifGL3oM= =OIIA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Dec 27 03:04:37 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Name-based virtual host config in Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So here's my stripped down httpd.conf file. While it's unrelated to your problem check out ServerSignature and ServerTokens. I've got mine set so the http header does not broadcast what OS, apache rev, loaded modules I'm using. That's just information people don't need to know. Especially the modules and apache rev. Now that I'm looking at this I think the primary difference between yours and my config is that my default domain is also specified as a vhost. I seem to recall having similar issues and it's likely that I settled on that as a solution. The default server is specified in the "main" config and also mentioned in the vhost config. ServerRoot "/var/www" Port 80 ServerName www.greentechnologist.org DocumentRoot "/home/vhosts/greentechnologist/WWW" UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature Off ServerTokens ProductOnly Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all Include conf/vhost.conf # and now vhost.conf NameVirtualHost 198.144.10.226 ServerName www.greentech ...... Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I started what I'd assumed to be an easy task tonight, setting up a > name-based virtual host on my home server. I looked at the docs and it > seems very simple...too simple. :-) > > I've got two domains I want to host: qwerk.org and littlecreektrees.com > > I created /var/www/qwerk.org and /var/www/littlecreektrees.com to hold > the files and set up the VirtualHost directives like so: (will add more > directives later when I get it working) > > NameVirtualHost 208.42.140.222:80 > > > ServerName www.qwerk.org > DocumentRoot /var/www/qwerk.org > ServerAlias qwerk.org *.qwerk.org > > > > ServerName www.littlecreektrees.com > DocumentRoot /var/www/littlecreektrees.com > ServerAlias littlecreektrees.com *.littlecreektrees.com > > > Now when I try to hit either Web page, I get the directory listing for > /var/www instead. I noticed that srm.com also has a DocumentRoot > directive and I can change that to match one of the virtual hosts's > DocumentRoot settings and all works well. For that host only > unfortunately. > > Aren't the DocumentRoot directives inside a supposed to > override what is given elsewhere? I tried removing the DocumentRoot from > srm.conf, but that broke everything. > > Any ideas? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8J/4zfexLsowstzcRAh8mAJ9i3R4Ve9NtLFUvMGkhjtHO7dE8hgCgyWD8 gCbXkHrgowqr1aiNifGL3oM= =OIIA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dante at plethora.net Thu Dec 27 03:07:30 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work > and I have to reset. I know it is not good but the only option in Windows > when it hangs up. > I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is > difference? Before I get too far into this, C-A-D on a Linux box just invokes "shutdown -h now" AKA "init 0". In addition, I did a hard powerdown reboot on my system about 2 hours ago because of an apparent IDE-SCSI bug that hung my system beyond my patience to deal with it. Everything recovered cleanly, as I expected it to, but I normally shutdown using "init 0". Now the explanation for the warning (assuming Ext2fs): This is largely due to disk caching in memory. If you kill the power without flushing the buffers to disk you can end up with an inconsistent filesystem. Generally the fsck run at boot time can clean up properly, but this takes time and only works about 99% of the time. So if you kill the power a lot, you are likely to kill your system eventually. Running "sync" before killing the power improves your odds, but if you are going to that much trouble you might as well do the proper shutdown. On the plus side, I have never had a proper shutdown fail in almost 10 years of using Linux, but I have seen people's Windows 98 boxes fail to shutdown cleanly all the time. In addition, the recovery rate I saw with scandisk on Win3.1 was significantly less than the 99%+ rate I expect with ext2fsck. In conclusion, I would say that the warning is mostly due to the higher expectation of Linux users that they will be able to avoid OS reinstalls (and indeed most maintenance), if the system is merely treated properly. -- Daniel Taylor From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Dec 27 03:09:33 2001 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (ScanMan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009262271.6181.2.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 09:27, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work > and I have to reset. I know it is not good but the only option in Windows > when it hangs up. > I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is > difference? Do not power-cycle a Linux box with Ext2 unless there is absolutely no other possible way. However, you can upgrade to Ext3, which is designed to gracefully restore itself after power loss, and it takes far less time to repair than Ext2 or Windows. I'll walk you through Ext3 conversion if you want. From eric at urbanrage.com Thu Dec 27 03:11:31 2001 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions References: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> Message-ID: <3C282EF1.EC93BE0@urbanrage.com> Shawn wrote: > > A few questions I have after I installed Debian Potato 2.2r4 for a > firewall/gateway machine: > > 1) How do I get the second NIC card up for my external IP address? I know > it's something similar to this: " ifconfig eth1 address netmask #> broadcast " Also, how do I get it to stay in case the system needs > to be rebooted? Do I add it to rc.local? > add it to /etc/networks/interfaces file > 2) For ip-chains and ip-filter, what packages do I need to install? Someone > mentioned it once before, but I haven't had a chance to dig through the > archives to try and find it. Also, I saw some of these options when I first > started the install, but I wasn't exactly certain as to which one I needed, > so I left it alone and didn't select any. should be ipchains or iptables depending on the kernel you are using. debian's website has a nice package search the lets you search names and descriptions for a word to find packages. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages Hope this helps, Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps someone in Linuxland has some ideas to increase Linux awareness in the twin cities in such a setting. From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 27 03:15:31 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Name-based virtual host config in Apache In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 12:32:02AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011225092416.B16796@sherohman.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 12:32:02AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I created /var/www/qwerk.org and /var/www/littlecreektrees.com to hold > the files and set up the VirtualHost directives like so: (will add more > directives later when I get it working) > > NameVirtualHost 208.42.140.222:80 > > What file are these directives in? They look pretty much identical to the ones I've got, so I'd guess that the file containing them isn't being read. Try moving them to httpd.conf and see if it works from there. > Now when I try to hit either Web page, I get the directory listing for > /var/www instead. If vhosts are working properly, you should see the root of the first listed vhost if a request doesn't match any of the servernames or serveraliases. The overall DocumentRoot shouldn't have any effect (although I'm not surprised that it still has to be defined). The other possibility I can think of is that you built your own apache and forgot to include vhost support. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 27 04:04:31 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: ; from houle@citilink.com on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011225093819.D16796@sherohman.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? Potentially. It's still not likely to corrupt your filesystem, but linux tends to run a lot more background processes ("daemons", in unix-speak) than Windows does, so there's that much more of a chance for unwritten data to be lost. One other little detail which those stickers neglect to mention is that ctrl-alt-del doesn't work if X owns the display. You have to go back to a text console (by hitting ctrl-alt-F1 (or any Fkey from 1-6)) before ctrl-alt-del will be caught and translated to a system action. (Usually a reboot or shutdown by default in most distributions, but you can make it do anything you want by editing /etc/inittab.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blayer at qwest.net Thu Dec 27 04:10:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any print guru want a free dinner? In-Reply-To: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> References: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011225105955.1d0b12a9.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:49:03 -0600 "Peter Clark by way of Peter Clark " wrote: > Ok, I'm desperate. I've sunk to a record low. I need to turn my current > Lexmark Z51 paperweight into something useful...like a printer. > I've tried everything I can think of, and yet it still doesn't print! I > don't want to get a new printer, because I am not entirely sure that the > problem is not with my system. If you're willing to have a go at it, write > back ASAP! Heck yeah, I'll have a go at it. What have you done so far? Is the kernel properly set up for parallel port & printer support? Is CUPS set up and running properly? Have you gotten the CUPS-o-matic backend filter and ppd file for the Z51? Let me know what you know.. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From blayer at qwest.net Thu Dec 27 04:14:37 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Post-Install partition question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011225110446.5de34eda.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:25:12 -0600 "Hvidsten, Leif" wrote: > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. When posting to this list, please don't use a signature that contains more text than the body of your message (not including quoted text). It's rather pointless. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From pauljrech at acm.org Thu Dec 27 04:30:08 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: TO ALL - [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3BDFF186.8AF894AC@acm.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > You can aggregate 100Mbit cards fairly easily. How much data could you be > pumping across the link that you would actually need 1000Mbit? It's about 40GB right now. I need to copy the entire database at unscheduled times. Which means it could be in the middle of the day when 100 users are on. So I want to have as little impact as possible. It's a failover system, so there is no choice but to do the copy right away. With my current 100Mbit connection it takes about 2 hours. I'll test out the multiple 100Mbit card idea first. I suspect the drives would be overloaded by more than one stream of data, as they are on the same I/O channel. But you never can be sure until you test it out. This is very good news that I don't need the switch. I was told that I needed a switch for this. That was not my idea. Thanks to all for the info. Paul From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Dec 27 04:32:41 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Name-based virtual host config in Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011225133533.A12471@fireopal.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 12:32:02AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I started what I'd assumed to be an easy task tonight, setting up a > name-based virtual host on my home server. I looked at the docs and it > seems very simple...too simple. :-) I spent a couple of weeks tearing my hair out (and I don't have enough to do that!) on this issue. If you're doing NAT, you have to use the IP address OF THE BOX RUNNING APACHE! I kept trying to set it up using my external address, when it needed to be my 10.x.x.x address that I'd assigned to the physical box. It that doesn't do it, you'll have to tell us more about the local environment. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From phil at rephil.org Thu Dec 27 04:35:12 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: ; from Terry Houle on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011225140708.A13533@rephil.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? No, Linux is never *more* of a problem than Windows. :) What you're running into here is called asynchronous disk buffering. In Linux, when you hit "Save" in some program, the save is not necessarily written to the disk immediately. The OS builds up a little stack of things to write to disk, and when it gets to a certain size (or time since the last write) it writes to the disk. If you turn off the power or reboot, you could lose data in the buffer that you said "Save" to, but hadn't actually gotten written yet. If you're not used to the idea, this may sound loopy, but it's necessary in a true multi-tasking environment in order to keep the system running many tasks smoothly. It's also an idea that's mature and has been working right for longer than many on the list have been alive ;) The stickers are a little silly, though, but then again don't forget that Linux is a copy of an operating system that was designed when users never had physical access to the power switch. Even so, they are misleading, because there's no reason you should lose anything that was *already* on the disk at the time the power quit. > I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is > difference? Just because a process (program) crashes, there's no reason the whole system should stop under a real operating system. Windows isn't a real operating system. Linux is sufficiently close to be considered a real operating system (from a technical point of view) for many (but not all) applications. This post isn't as biased as it sounds. :) Merry Christmas, Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Thu Dec 27 04:37:12 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any print guru want a free dinner? In-Reply-To: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> References: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <01122520590800.07138@edith> Peter, I am not a Debian bitch, but a slacker (Slackware) user. I am using CUPS and Gimp-Print and found it to be a sweet setup. The Gimp-Print http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ stuff says it supports a Lexmark Z51 operationally, but I don't have one to try out. I am using CUPS with Gimp-Print (wonderfull combo!) to print to an Epson 777. I had researched getting an Lexmark Z11 working before giving up on it, but knew that the Lexmark printers were somewhat better supported by the Gimp-Print folks, so you may wish to give that a try. Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Sunday 23 December 2001 18:49, you wrote: > Ok, I'm desperate. I've sunk to a record low. I need to turn my current > Lexmark Z51 paperweight into something useful...like a printer. I have been > experimenting for months with different print managers; currently I'm > trying CUPS. So far, no joy. I also just tried PDQ and LPRng. No go. Yes, I > know it's a crappy winprinter. It came with the marriage. :( But I have > been taunted by reports on the 'net saying that such-and-such managed to > get their Z51 working. Apperently, it works great in Mandrake. But I'm > running Debian. (Although I am tempted to switch over to the Dark Side: if > I get Mandrake, then I can get the Sims and make my wife happy, too...) > Lord knows I have tried. Anyone who remembers me from the InstallFest (guy > with the green case) knows that I spent half the bleedin' time trying to > get the printer to print. > I've tried everything I can think of, and yet it still doesn't print! I > don't want to get a new printer, because I am not entirely sure that the > problem is not with my system. If you're willing to have a go at it, write > back ASAP! > Thanks, > > :Peter From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Thu Dec 27 04:38:58 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: <1009166915.1208.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1009166915.1208.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <01122521015601.07138@edith> I feel like writing some timing loops to do a song for new years on an Apple II, what was the address for poke for clicking the speaker again? Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Sunday 23 December 2001 22:08, you wrote: > I have a couple books I probably won't ever use for anything...like my > 6502 machine language programmers manual. However I won't part with my > Apple II DOS manual still in the original plastic. > > Brady From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 27 04:40:48 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Shawn wrote: | 1) How do I get the second NIC card up for my external IP address? I know Edit /etc/networking/interfaces with $EDITOR :) I think an example interfaces file can be found in /usr/share/doc/netbase. If not, the format is simple: For DHCP: iface eth0 inet dhcp For Static: iface eth0 inet static address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx network xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx For Progeny, Woody, and Sid you need to add lines to specify that you want the interface to be automatically configured on boot. So at the top of my file, I have: auto lo eth0 So the loopback deviace and eth0 are automaticaly configured. I don't thing you need this line in Potato however, and you will get an error if you put it in. | 2) For ip-chains and ip-filter, what packages do I need to install? Someone apt-get install ipchains ipmasqadm Netfilter is a 2.4 feature, and 2.4 isn't supported on Potato. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Dec 27 04:42:34 2001 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem stuff In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:34:22AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011226085651.H19907@techmonkeys.org> I've not seen any Linksys cable modems, and I'm considered (amoung friends) to be the cable modem guru locally, as for *replacing* 3Com's, you really don't want to. AT&T has been swapping the 3Com's (Tailfin/Sharkfin 3C292XX) for RCA/Thomson models that are worse, with less features, and less diagnostic information. Yes, 3Com closed their cable internet division, but that doesn't mean it's not still a quality product =) On another note, a friend and I are starting a site dedicated to broadband connections in Minnesota. Outages, problems, complaints, positive feedback, as well as contact info. Information is available at http://www.mnbroadband.org, the lists are up now, and I'm working on putting the information I have into a good format. On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:34:22AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > This isn't a replacement though is it? Isn't it just a little NAT firewall > thingy that you plug your cable modem into? > > Jay > > > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > > > > I'm begenning the adventure by buying a cable modem (linksys) > > and trying to replace my 3com modem with it. AT&T says its > > supported, people in MN have said its 'easy'. I'll keep > > people posted when I do the changeover. > > > > -- > > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 27 04:44:21 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011226152422.GA477@fandre.com> As someone who frequently overclocks all my systems, I usually get my share of "lockups" in both Windows and Linux. From personal experience, a hard reboot will cause about the same amount of problems in either OS. Both have utilities to try and fix corrupt filesystems (scandisk, fsck) but you still risk losing data. Now that linux journaled filesystems are stable, this isn't that big of an issue anymore. BTW, NTFS is kind of like a journaled filesystem. VFAT is not. On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose contents > of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get help or use > Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if > shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work > and I have to reset. I know it is not good but the only option in Windows > when it hangs up. > I know I will get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is > difference? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 27 04:46:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D292@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The ext2 filesystem in linux is mounted in asynchronous mode by default. This means that when you write something to the drive, it will be held in memory until the OS gets around to writing it to disk. It does this for performance reasons. If you shutdown your machine by just turning it off, you don't give the OS a chance to actually write that data out to disk, risking file corruption, or entire filesystem corruption. However, if you use one of the new journaling filesystems, like ReiserFS or ext3, you won't have to worry so much about it. Journaling filesystems keep a journal around of what files it needs to still update. In the event of a crash, it can go back and look at that journal to figure out what needed to be done when it crashed. You might still lose data from files recently saved, but it pretty much eliminates the possibility of corruption of the whole filesystem. You should always do a proper shutdown regardless of what filesystem you are using. > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Houle [mailto:houle@citilink.com] > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 9:28 AM > To: TCLUG Mail List > Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown > > > Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say > "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could > lose contents of hard drive. If you must restart this > system, please get help or use Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is > if Linux is more of a problem than Windows if shutdown > improperly? Sometimes in Windows even the Ctrl-Alt-Del > won't work and I have to reset. I know it is not good but > the only option in Windows when it hangs up. I know I will > get the Linux is not Windows, but wondering if there is difference? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Dec 27 04:48:04 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall Message-ID: <000f01c18e22$2d4344a0$47646496@dart> Ben, Thanks for the link (http://www.bbiagent.net/en/index.html) for the floppy based firewall. My Christmas project (one of several) was to replace my NT based firewall and this one did very nicely. The script based download is nice, but if you are going to use ISA based NICs, make sure you know the IRQ and I/O address, even though they say it can probe, that only works on PCI NICs. The administration is simple and the support via e-mail is amazing. The doco's are pretty thin, so when I sent an e-mail on the evening of the 23rd, I expected to hear sometime today or tomorrow. They replied within 2 hours! The only complaint I have is that it doesn't remember the port forwarding rules or special port blocking on reboot (or if it does, I haven't figured it out yet). It boots very nicely headless and all the admin is via a Java enabled browser on the local network --can't use Konqueror :( It is not https, so if that is a concern to anybody, don't use this one. It does DNS proxy and can be a DHCP server for the local network (I use static, so didn't try it). I am using it with RoadRunner cable and it had no problems getting the IP info. It even tells the length of the lease and renewal time. It will run on anything 386 or better with 8 MB of RAM, but I am running it on a P100 with shared video memory, so it is actually running on 7 MB and according to the stats it still has 400 KB free. I am tempted to dig out that 386 I have lying around, just to see if it will work, but I don't think I have enough memory in it :) It seems to perform well, I only have a 5 node network, but my son does some heavy downloading, and it seemed to hold up under the load. James jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 27 04:49:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D293@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > console (say vt1) I would get timeout errors. Finally, I got > a clue and > checked /proc/interrupts. Oddly enough, interrupt 10 was > shared by both USB > and NVidia. "Ah!" says I, "Check BIOS!" So after a quick slap > of the hand to > the head, I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, USB was not assigned an > interrupt, but AGP was. One reboot later, interrupt 10 is > assigned to NVidia, > and 11 to USB. And there was much rejoicing. I have the Soyo Dragon Plus board, and my video, sound, ethernet, and USB all share IRQ 11, and I have had no problems with it. Is this just on certain boards that people have trouble? Jay From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 27 04:51:41 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011226153245.GB477@fandre.com> On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I got myself a TRS-80 assembly language book there for 50 cents. :) One > day, Linux will boot off an audio tape.... Cool. Let me know if you need any help. I have 3 of those suckers in my parents basement. Plus an MC-10, which has a whopping 4k + 16k external add-on module. Wow. http://www.geocities.com/fritzfranzfeddeck/mc10.html From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Dec 27 04:54:19 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtual domain for email References: <20011223011239.A3388@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <3C29EE39.3030207@sodatrain.com> >>Postfix to handle email transparently for littlecreektrees.com as well? >> >> > Can't speak for postfix but qmail hanldles them quite well > qmail with vpopmail [http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail/] makes virtual domains extreemly easy. works great. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 27 04:56:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any print guru want a free dinner? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D294@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > their Z51 working. Apperently, it works great in Mandrake. > But I'm running > Debian. (Although I am tempted to switch over to the Dark > Side: if I get > Mandrake, then I can get the Sims and make my wife happy, > too...) NO! Don't get started on the Sims... It's like a drug. Once you're hooked, you cannot stop. You'll spend months and months trying to make the female/female relationship happen, and when it does, it's boring. I played that game for about a month, but I was smart and got off of it before I was hooked for good. Seriously, a friend of mine wasted like 6 months of his life away tending to his family on the sims. Don't do it. :) On another note though, Mandrake is a good distro. I use mandrake for my workstations (2 laptops and 2 desktops), and debian, redhat, or freebsd on servers. Jay From Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com Thu Dec 27 04:57:49 2001 From: Clint_L_Hegney at gelco.com (Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux Message-ID: I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get these setup in Linux? Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" CDRW function? Thanks for the help in advance! Clinton Hegney chegney@highstream.net c_hegney@gelco.com From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 27 04:59:39 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba printer share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011226180821.GE477@fandre.com> What version of samba are you running? Have you checked the samba logs for any info? Are you in the same groups on both W2K systems? On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, David Blevins wrote: > > My Samba printer share is behaving strangely, it mayu seem quite logical to > someone else, but it's like voodoo to me. > > I have one user fully setup in my smbpasswd file, joecool for example, and > another one in the smbpasswd but I haven't ran that change passwd tool in it > yet so that user can't login to any shares yet. > > I have two Win2k computers that both have the joecool account, same password > and everything. On one computer (a desktop), i am able to login to my home > directory and install the printer 'P1100' as a network printer, and I can > print too, so that's great. But on my other win2k computer (a laptop) I > can't install the network 'P1100' printer but I can login to my home > directory. Same user, same rights on both machines, but completely > different results. The I keep getting access denied on the laptop while > trying to install the printer. Anyone have a clue? > > But what I am really trying to do is allow any user, a guest user, to see > and use the network printer. I have the printer section of my smb.conf > setup with 'yes' to everything and even added the 'public = yes' to it, but > no luck. I am of course restarting Samba after any changes to the smb.conf. > Here is the printer section of my config: > > [printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /var/spool/samba > browseable = yes > # Set public = yes to allow user 'guest account' to print > public = yes > guest ok = yes > writable = yes > printable = yes > > > And just to make things easy, I have the 'guest account' option in the > [general] section set to joecool, so it is a valid user. Maybe that is part > of the problem. > > Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 27 05:01:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: Slight glitch with spamassassin. [Fwd: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] xwindows problem] In-Reply-To: <1009127884.8308.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <1009127884.8308.2.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011226224744.Z22432@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011223 20:31]: > Here's a valid LUG post that got snagged though. But this is partly due > to the poster having an a-typical AOLer address, and mailman headers. I > need to whitelist mn-linux.org and real-time.com it looks like. > > -----Forwarded Message----- > > > SPAM: Hit! (2 points) Bulk email software fingerprints found in headers header RATWARE ALL =~ /(?:4\.\.72\.1712\.3|ACE Contact Manager|Aristotle Mail|Avalanche|Calypso|clansoft|Cognigen|Cold Fusion|Cyber-Bomber|Crescent|DiffondiCool|Dynamic Mail Server|CTMailer|E-Broadcaster|E-mail Magnet|Ellipse Bulk Emailer|EmailBlaster|Emailer.Platinum|eMerge|Extractor|Floodgate|FlashSend|Goldrush|Group Mail |Internet Marketing|Mailcast|MailKing|MassE-Mail|massmail\.pl|Matchmaker|NetMailer|News Breaker|pop3.report|RamoMail|Ready Aim|Shopping.Planet|Stalker.s|TBBS\/TIGER|TOO BAD|TotalMailTURBO Mail|V3,1,6,1|V3,1,2,0|V3,2,2,0|V.null.\.1712\.3|WindoZ|WinNT.s.Blat|WorldMerge|YMR)/ Set your RATWARE rule like the above. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 27 05:04:18 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> References: <01122402064202.00431@bleys> Message-ID: <20011226224934.A22432@ringworld.org> * Shawn [011224 14:48]: > 1) How do I get the second NIC card up for my external IP address? I know vi /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces (perhaps in the reverse) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 27 05:06:53 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mediaone/at&t and a new modem Message-ID: <20011226214459.X22432@ringworld.org> So, I went and got the Linksys modem, took back the old one, got them to provision the new one and all *seemed* fine. I got home, no dhcp lease after trying. It appears they dropped all old provisioned DHCP leases. I called them up and bitched, they got unhappy I wasn't using windows. I called again later, told them I hooked up a brand new w2k machine with a VMWare MAC address (tee hee) and they provisioned it, worked immediately. Note to all: when making modem change, tell them your changing computers too. Give them a new MAC for your machine, change it in your network card EEPROM. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Dec 27 05:09:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: cable modem stuff In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011226214723.Y22432@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011224 15:19]: > This isn't a replacement though is it? Isn't it just a little NAT firewall > thingy that you plug your cable modem into? Full fledged cable modem. The BEFCMU10. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From peter-clark at tides.com Sat Dec 29 00:13:20 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <1009232286.3881.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> <1009232286.3881.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200112270851.fBR8pBV129700@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> On Monday 24 December 2001 16:18, you wrote: > On Sun, 2001-12-23 at 18:56, Peter Clark wrote: > > Well, in other news, I managed to get USB working properly. How's this > > for weirdness: USB would work fine under X, but if I were to switch to a > > text console (say vt1) I would get timeout errors. Finally, I got a clue > > and checked /proc/interrupts. Oddly enough, interrupt 10 was shared by > > both USB and NVidia. "Ah!" says I, "Check BIOS!" So after a quick slap of > > the hand to the head, I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, USB was not > > assigned an interrupt, but AGP was. One reboot later, interrupt 10 is > > assigned to NVidia, and 11 to USB. And there was much rejoicing. > > Imagine trying to diagnose THAT one under Winblows! Indeed. In fact, as a point of irony, I recently reinstalled Windows on my computer. I had let it sit idly on my 1GB partition for over three months, ever since it decided not to boot up. Well, I reinstalled everything, and was amazed at how often I had to reboot. Something like four or five times, and that was nothing more than a base install and installing the NVidia drivers. Now, the whole point of reinstalling Windows was so that I could view the contents of my fat-format Zip disk. I was merrily browsing the directories when the computer locked up, hard. It was beyond the reach of a three-finger salute, so I hit the reboot button. Scandisk comes up, then the Win98 splash screen, then...lock. Nothing. I'm looking at a little flying window that doesn't change, no matter how long I wait. Amazing. Windows has only been working _ONE_BLOODY_HOUR_ and it has already crashed and died. The bootlog doesn't help at all, and there's no indication as to what caused the problem. The experience, however, was enlightening, in that I learned that whatever difficulties I may face in Linux, it's a whole stinkin' swamp worse in Windows. Like I told my wife: shifting from Linux to Windows is like switching from a Ferrari to a tricycle with concrete blocks tied to the rear wheels. :Peter From peter-clark at tides.com Sat Dec 29 00:16:37 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any print guru want a free dinner? In-Reply-To: <1009232612.23574.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> References: <200112240049.fBO0nNT302962@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> <1009232612.23574.11.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200112270907.fBR97SV33172@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> On Monday 24 December 2001 16:23, you wrote: > On Sun, 2001-12-23 at 18:49, Peter Clark wrote: > > I've tried everything I can think of, and yet it still doesn't print! I > > don't want to get a new printer, because I am not entirely sure that the > > problem is not with my system. If you're willing to have a go at it, > > write back ASAP! > > I have a Lexmark 3200, which uses the same protocol (or so I hear) as > the Z51. Although print drivers do exist for it, they are pretty useless > for anything more than black text. Trying to do color results in a > muddy, wet mess. Why not get a new printer? They're dirt cheap now. HP > DeskJets are especially well supported. I have to confess something. The offer, while genuine, was mostly made in the hopes that St. Murphy* would be invoked on my behalf and miraculously fix the matter. Shortly after I sent it, I tried plugging the USB cable back into the printer, changed CUPS so that it pointed to USB, rather than parallel, and tried printing. Lo and behold, it worked! This was after I had tried both USB and parallel for several days. In fact, I still don't know what I did. But it works. You're right about the color support, of course. I just get shades of pink and red. But black works fine. I have been thinking about getting an HP 845c, since they're $100 at BestBuy (while BB tends to give me that dirty, unclean feeling, my sister _did_ give me a $25 gift certificate there for Christmas), but looking at their web site I notice that there's a Canon S300 for the same price. Need to check compatibility. Actually, right after workability in Linux, cartridge cost is the most important factor. Buy four cartridges and you can buy another printer. Someone must have told the printer people that they should take a page from Gillette and sell the razors cheap, the blades at a markup. On the other hand, I'm so relieved that I can print, even if only in B&W, that I'm a little nervous to touch the @#$%! thing. Don't want to push my luck. And that gift certificate could go a long ways toward a decent sound card... :Peter * The Murphy as in "Murphy's Law", which has a little-known, but important corollary: once anything that can go wrong, has gone wrong, giving up and asking for help is the surest way for things to go right again on their own. P.S. Would someone please explain why this kernel inject has taken over a month now? I mean, really, how much longer is this going to take??? From sos at zjod.net Sat Dec 29 00:19:38 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free to a good home... Sparc5 w/20" color monitor Message-ID: <200112270921.fBR9LeP01568@zjod.net> Doing a favor for a friend in the Eagan area... Free to a good home: Sun "pizza box" Sparc5 (128MBytes + 4GB SCSI internal disk) w/ 20" color monitor. It's currently configured as a RedHat-6.2 Linux box. No Sun software available. Contact: jot@visi.com -Steve From schanno at tcfreenet.org Sat Dec 29 00:22:38 2001 From: schanno at tcfreenet.org (Terry R Schanno) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011227034200.J68832-100000@tcfreenet.org> > I'm just trolling for console newsreader suggestions. I know there are > plenty of standard packages out there and I figure people have already > tried a few. If you know how to get pine to do news that's a bonus. For pine to do news, all you have to do is add an NNTP server to the configuration options from the main menu, and then press 'l' to bring up the list, and scroll down to the usenet part at the bottom. It's pretty easy, and it's what I use. Terry Schanno TCFN Volunteer Coordinator schanno@tcfreenet.org From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Dec 29 00:25:38 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <1009232286.3881.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 24 Dec 2001, ScanMan wrote: > > Imagine trying to diagnose THAT one under Winblows! This device is not working properly. Maybe it's a driver problem. Sorry, updating the drivers did nothing. Oh, that little exclamation point means IRQ conflict. No you may not change it. Try re-installing the drivers. Nope, those didn't work either. Maybe the hardware is bad. Updating the drivers might fix that. Reboot. New device found. Unknown device. Device is working properly. USB port found. Device is working properly, unless you were intending to use it. New device wants your old IRQ. There's a conflict. No you may not change it. Try updating the drivers. Your device is not working properly. And it goes on and on until you whip out Tom's root boot and find out what IRQs are really causing the problem. Took me nearly a week to find a sound card that got assigned to IRQ 7 automagically. Couldn't print, no sound. Modem wanted IRQ 5. Set jumpers on modem to COM4 (shared IRQ 3). Windoze conmplained and made my mouse (IRQ 4) decide to stop working. Finally got that modem onto IRQ 11 (not sure how it did that, but whatever..) the sound back to IRQ 5 and all was good. Then COM2 stopped working. Still trying to figure that out. -Brian From clay at fandre.com Sat Dec 29 00:28:36 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011227110222.GB19160@fandre.com> Have you read these yet? http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO/index.html On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get > these setup in Linux? > Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? > > Thanks for the help in advance! > > > Clinton Hegney > chegney@highstream.net > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From leif at mn.rr.com Sat Dec 29 00:32:06 2001 From: leif at mn.rr.com (Leif Hvidsten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] router stuff Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A few weeks ago I wrote in asking some general newbie stuff about the commercial firewall/routers that are currently on the market for cable/dsl subscribers. 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I know others have mentioned BBIagent before, but SmoothWall seemed like a pretty complete firewall so I thought I'd give it a try. http://www.smoothwall.org/ Leif Hvidsten PGP ID: 0x3626E2CD Key Fingerprint: 21C2 286E 8FAF 25D1 9356 923A 0D05 6DE8 3626 E2CD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPCsWTg0Fbeg2JuLNEQJ5rgCfcl7IqGcC6HKICARbK98/Ao8cBMUAnAwx kZnGNMPdso7fFhgJUwkbQbbw =YLG8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1272 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011229/947ba93b/winmail.bin From veldy at veldy.net Sat Dec 29 00:35:05 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? References: Message-ID: <003701c18edb$13281320$3028680a@tgt.com> nn, trn, tin ... Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua b. Jore" To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm just trolling for console newsreader suggestions. I know there are > plenty of standard packages out there and I figure people have already > tried a few. If you know how to get pine to do news that's a bonus. > > Thanks in advance, > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8J/hFfexLsowstzcRAvD2AKCaJxJ3EQyemiyOx+1iwsSANl8t9QCgk4Xe > 42cDW5l49qxMLWFePHVneY4= > =liib > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Sat Dec 29 00:38:04 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009460748.2349.4.camel@gromit> I've always liked eclipt roaster for burning CDs. Yes, it has an erase function for RW discs. On Wed, 2001-12-26 at 10:49, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get > these setup in Linux? > Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? > > Thanks for the help in advance! > > > Clinton Hegney > chegney@highstream.net > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Dec 29 00:41:49 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: cable modem stuff In-Reply-To: <20011226085651.H19907@techmonkeys.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011226085651.H19907@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20011227085941.D22432@ringworld.org> * Matthew S. Hallacy [011227 04:46]: > don't want to. AT&T has been swapping the 3Com's (Tailfin/Sharkfin 3C292XX) I'm going for the 'buy your own modem and get $10 back a month' idea. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sat Dec 29 00:45:36 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? In-Reply-To: ; from josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:53:39PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011227085950.A32608@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:53:39PM -0600, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > I'm just trolling for console newsreader suggestions. I know there are > plenty of standard packages out there and I figure people have already > tried a few. If you know how to get pine to do news that's a bonus. > Slrn has treated me well. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Dec 29 00:48:44 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: <01122521015601.07138@edith>; from kelly-black@attbroadband.com on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 09:01:56PM -0600 References: <1009166915.1208.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> <01122521015601.07138@edith> Message-ID: <20011227091834.C29090@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 09:01:56PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote: > I feel like writing some timing loops to do a song for new years on an Apple > II, what was the address for poke for clicking the speaker again? Disclaimer: I haven't touched an Apple ][ for... um... over 20 years and it's been about 10 since the last time I saw one. This information may be wrong. In fact, I really, really, hope it's wrong, because what does it say about me if it's correct? Anyhow, I think it was -16336. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Sat Dec 29 00:52:10 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux References: Message-ID: <3C2BB290.3090100@mn.rr.com> For burning CDs GCombust works well for me, it does have an erase CDRW function. DVD I dunno, don't own one so I never had a reason to make one work. Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get > these setup in Linux? > Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? -- It is much easier to be critical than correct. - Benjamin Disraeli From Ben at WorksCited.Net Sat Dec 29 00:54:58 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot loader woes Message-ID: <01122722554400.02613@Romana> I just bought a new 1 GHz Athlon machine today and went to install a friend's copy of Mandrake 7.2, and I wish I could say it was easy, but it's been a tremendous hassle. Never mind the way the installer crashes if you don't wait for a CD to spin up before telling it the disc is in the drive, never mind the way the installer crashes in the middle of configuring X Windows. Those are minor problems because Linux is now working. The problem is that when I went to install Windows 98 on the partition I had created for that purpose, it apparently overwrote the boot loader (GRUB). That's what I'm guessing, anyway, because GRUB didn't start and I just got a "Disk I/O error". So I fired up the Mandrake installer again and got GRUB back, and now Linux boots fine, but Windows still doesn't. Screen output looks like this: Booting 'windows' root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is fat, partition type 0xb makeactive chainloader +1 Disk I/O error Replace the disk, and then press any key So, aside from getting Mandrake 8.1, which I have every intention of doing, what can I do to resolve this issue? Thanks in advance! --Ben From Ben at WorksCited.Net Sat Dec 29 00:57:46 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: boot loader woes Message-ID: <01122801243300.02758@Romana> Sigh... please ignore my previous message. All I had to do was install Windows *before* Linux, and all is well now. It's too bad they didn't put that in the instructions. Thanks anyway! --Ben From florin at iucha.net Sat Dec 29 01:00:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux In-Reply-To: ; from Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:49:50AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011227103740.B9336@iucha.net> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:49:50AM -0600, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get > these setup in Linux? > Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? Yes. http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? CDRW is highly experimental at the moment. http://lists2.suse.com/archive/packet-writing/ patches are here: http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/packet/ and you need also udftools florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This was exactly the problem, and this should probably be in the documentation. My Web server sits behind my Cisco 675 router (which is doing NAT) in my DMZ. I put the 10.0.0.2 address in and all was well. This also solved another problem I'd been having, but hadn't sat down to figure out. Google search summary: If you're trying to do name-based virtual hosting with Apache and you're using NAT on your network, you must specify the actual IP address of the server in httpd.conf, not the external one that gets translated. Thanks Scott! -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Sat Dec 29 01:07:30 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200112271650.fBRGoiu11562@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Yes both devices are supported in Linux. You will want Xine for DVD playback and Xcdroast for CDRW burning. However, the command line also works really well for burning. See www.yolinux.com for CDRW tutorials and DVD info. On Wednesday 26 December 2001 10:49 am, you wrote: > I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get > these setup in Linux? > Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? > > Thanks for the help in advance! > > > Clinton Hegney > chegney@highstream.net > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rechpj at bitstream.net Sat Dec 29 01:10:56 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux In-Reply-To: ; from Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:49:50AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011228073053.A1015@bitstream.net> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:49:50AM -0600, Clint_L_Hegney@gelco.com wrote: > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? Try X-CD-Roast, it's almost as easy as the command line. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From shane at shell.schulte.org Sat Dec 29 19:18:20 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Sparc Message-ID: <20011229112400.Y75041-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Hey evreyone, I have recently obtained a Sparc Station 2, but I don't have a Sun moniter to hook it up to. If any of you have any Sparc Boxes that you want to sell as well as Sun Moniters, please let me know. I would gladly by them, especially if they are working condition. Let me know. Thanks! ~Shane From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Dec 29 19:21:21 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <200112270851.fBR8pBV129700@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> References: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> <1009232286.3881.5.camel@scanman.localhost.localdomain> <200112270851.fBR8pBV129700@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011229111917.A25553@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 02:50:43AM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > Now, the whole point of reinstalling Windows was so that I could view the > contents of my fat-format Zip disk. Uhm, you should be able to look at your fat-format Zip disk under Linux without too much hassle. I'd imagine (v)fat support is compiled in (or a module) for every distro's default kernel. And as far as I know Zip disks have been fully supported for quite a while (though I have no first hand knowledge - I avoid those things like the plague). Now I'm not one to get in the way of a noice Windows rants, but just in case you didn't know I'd spread the word ;). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,who's next? http://faircopyright.org From peter-clark at tides.com Sat Dec 29 21:31:00 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a new sound card Message-ID: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Santa gave me a $25 gift certificate to Best Buy, and while BB gives me that itchy, burning feeling, I thought I might as well use it. Since I'm getting tired of that crackling sound that the on-board audio makes, a real sound card would be nice. I went to Best Buy last night and spotted two possibilities: a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 PCI and Sound Blaster PCI 512. My question is this: is there any compelling reason to pay $20 more for the 512? Also, the 512 uses the emu10k1 driver--if memory serves, weren't there issues with the driver in the kernel? TIA, :Peter From houle at citilink.com Sat Dec 29 21:57:54 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Learning Linux Survey Message-ID: At the risk of showing my ignorance I probably do not understand most of what is said on this list. Trying to learn Linux at an entry level I think is difficult. When I say difficult it is cause I do not have a shoulder to look over or observe someone else. Most of the admins on here talk in command line language and I want to start with the GUI. So anyway good or bad I don't understand most. So my question is how many people on this list are like myself and maybe I am the lone ranger. Anyway if you are trying to learn Linux and don't feel you have a good place or way to do that I would like to know. I am going to try a very unofficial/unscientific survey to discover a number that may want/need more help. TO NOT BURDEN THE TCLUG LIST PLEASE SEND A REPLY OFF LIST to me at: houle@yahoo.com indicating you would like more help. So I guess the question is: I need other ways and/or help learning Linux? If this answer is "Yes" please send a "YES" or "Need Help" to houle@yahoo.com and I will collect the number and post it. I hope it is more than one . TIA Terry Houle houle@yahoo.com From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Dec 29 22:00:36 2001 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: TO ALL - [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <3BDFF186.8AF894AC@acm.org>; from pauljrech@acm.org on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 06:41:42AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3BDFF186.8AF894AC@acm.org> Message-ID: <20011228223613.Z19907@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 06:41:42AM -0600, Paul Rech wrote: > > It's about 40GB right now. > > I need to copy the entire database at unscheduled times. Which means it could > be in the middle of the day when 100 users are on. So I want to have as little > impact as possible. > It's a failover system, so there is no choice but to do the copy right away. > > With my current 100Mbit connection it takes about 2 hours. > Are you sure it's not the disks that are a bottleneck? Full 100mbit is 12MB/s which means 3333 seconds, or 55 minutes for 40GB, not counting the transport overhead, if the machines on both sides can handle it you might try one of the compaq NC3131 cards (64 bit PCI, hot swap, ethernet bonding) it comes with two 100mbit ports, and is expandable to 4 ports total via a daughterboard, all on one PCI card. You do, of course, have to be able to push and accept 48MB/s on both disks. (This will get you down to 13 minutes) > I'll test out the multiple 100Mbit card idea first. > I suspect the drives would be overloaded by more than one stream of data, as > they are on > the same I/O channel. > > But you never can be sure until you test it out. > try using hdparm, or bonnie to test disk throughput, an ATA100 IDE drive or some SCSI drives can easily do 35MB/s. 45MB/s+ is possible with ATA133 or higher end SCSI disks. > This is very good news that I don't need the switch. > I was told that I needed a switch for this. That was not my idea. > > Thanks to all for the info. > > Paul > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 29 22:03:43 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3? Message-ID: Hey, Ok, this is weird. I thought ext3 and ex2 were interchangable, so all you'd need to do to swich was compile a kernel with ext3 support, and then mount an ext2 partition as ext3. All the docs I read seem to indicate that. However, when I try moounting an ext2 partition with -t ext3, I get: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too many mounted file systems Can still mount it as ext2. This is on a debian/unstable with 2.4.17. Anyone? -Yaron -- From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Dec 29 22:07:21 2001 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D293@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 09:32:11AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D293@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011228222715.Y19907@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 09:32:11AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have the Soyo Dragon Plus board, and my video, sound, ethernet, and USB > all share IRQ 11, and I have had no problems with it. Is this just on > certain boards that people have trouble? Apprently so: [root@tranq modules]# cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 57636219 XT-PIC timer 1: 634523 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 5: 14262731 XT-PIC usb-ohci, aic7xxx, eth0, em8300 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 10: 132675674 XT-PIC EMU10K1, eth1 11: 2 XT-PIC usb-ohci, bttv 12: 1788111 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse 14: 1444372 XT-PIC ide0 15: 2575630 XT-PIC ide1 I have no problems with my hardware. - Matthew S. Hallacy > > Jay From fertch at mninter.net Sat Dec 29 22:10:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall References: <000f01c18e22$2d4344a0$47646496@dart> Message-ID: <3C2D5FB7.C6E0FC43@mninter.net> http://www.smoothwall.org Not a floppy based install. Rather a 25MB iso that is simple to install. I spent days upon days of frustration trying to build a firewall machine.... Downloaded the iso, burned it to cd at work. Came home, less than 45 minutes later I was up and running. Both nics recognized, web interface on the internal side. DHCP/DNS capabilites. SSH and VPN too. I'm very impressed at this. It's a free product, Linux based under the GNU license. I'm definately sending some money into them to help support further development. One happy camper. I have this thing running on my P-166/96MB ram machine. Scary thing is, it seems that internet connections are faster going through this and two 10Mb hubs than it is for direct connection. Either that, or I'm still in awe over the simplicity of this install. Shawn From chrome at real-time.com Sat Dec 29 22:12:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mediaone/at&t and a new modem In-Reply-To: <20011226214459.X22432@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 09:44:59PM -0600 References: <20011226214459.X22432@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011227111141.D1116@real-time.com> > I called again later, told them I hooked up a brand new w2k machine with > a VMWare MAC address (tee hee) and they provisioned it, worked > immediately. why couldn't you use the MAC of your existing Ethernet card? or did they have that marked in their database as 'watch out for this guy'? how does VMWare come up with its MAC anyway? there must be some algorithm whereby it randomly generates one, and then tests to see if that one exists somewhere else on the network... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jeffr at odeon.net Sat Dec 29 22:15:41 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtual domain for email In-Reply-To: <20011222181325.C5447@iucha.net> Message-ID: You'll need to specify a virtual_maps file. Take a look at the sample_virtual.cf file (probably in /etc/postfix/), which should get you pointed in the right direction. The virtual file will need to contain something like the following: domainname.com virtual address@domainname.com username address2@domainname.com username otherdomain.com virtual address@otherdomain.com username Whitespace is significant in this file. Don't forget to run 'postalias' on this file after you make changes (it needs to be hashed, much like /etc/aliases). Username above represents the user on the system that should get e-mail sent to that address. If you've got lots of domains that you're hosting it can be a pain to maintain, but it does allow you to do neat things like having info@domainname.com and info@otherdomain.com go to their respective domain owners (which I could never figure out how to do under sendmail, but I'm sure sendmail could do it also). You do not need to specify a virtual entry for whatever domain your box is set to respond as in /etc/postfix/main.cf. Also, if you feel like spending some money, I'd recommend a book: 'Postfix' by Richard Blum, published by SAMS. The ISBN is 0-672-32114-9. Jeff On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 09:08:44AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Santa's going to be delivering a domain name and little Web page to my > > parents this year. There's starting up a very small business and I > > noticed that the domain name was available and registered it. I plan to > > host a little Web page on my home server for them and I'm hoping to be > > able to handle some email with that domain as well. > > > > I've got a single static IP from Visi and I know that I can do > > name-based virtual hosting with Apache for the Web page. I'm wondering > > about the email though. My current domain is qwerk.org and I can send > > and receive mail through there. Can I, using a single IP address, get > > Postfix to handle email transparently for littlecreektrees.com as well? > > Coming in it's easy: append littlecreektrees.com to "mydestination" in > /etc/postfix/main.cf . > > Going out it's trickier: if that box handles email only for > littlecreektrees.com then add "myorigin = littlecreektrees.com" and > "append_at_myorigin = yes" to /etc/postfix/main.cf . That is called "trivial > rewrite". > > If that box has to handle more mailhosts then... I don't know but for > sure it can be done. > > florin > > From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Dec 29 22:18:27 2001 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Masquerading help needed Message-ID: <20011229065619.92DB31776E@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Since Roadrunner has apparently started limiting the number of dynamic IPs it'll let one cable modem get, I need to figure out a way to share the connection. I've got three machines on my home network, all of which are connected via a hub, which is also connected to the Roadrunner modem. FWIW, I'm running Mandrake 8.1 on two of the systems, including my main work system, and Windows 2000 on the third. My main system has no trouble in picking up an IP address from Roadrunner when booting; my daughter's machine is unable to. Right now, I've got my daughter's machine as 192.168.0.2 on my local net, and am running my machine with two IP addresses: the one I get from DHCP (65.25.234.54 at the moment), and a virtual IP of 192.168.0.1 -- is there some reasonable way I can use this as a gateway for 192.168.0.2, and how do I do it? The Masquerading How-To provides very clear instructions, which just don't seem to work. Any ideas? From tl at assimilated.org Sat Dec 29 22:21:13 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011227173845.GA7120@assimilated.org> On Dec 24 at 09:53PM Joshua b. Jore wrote: > I'm just trolling for console newsreader suggestions. I know there > are plenty of standard packages out there and I figure people have > already tried a few. If you know how to get pine to do news that's > a bonus. I'm a big fan of tin (www.tin.org) I've also heard good things about slrn. -- tim lupfer tl@assimilated.org familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain From schanno at tcfreenet.org Sat Dec 29 22:24:03 2001 From: schanno at tcfreenet.org (Terry R Schanno) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot loader woes In-Reply-To: <01122722554400.02613@Romana> Message-ID: <20011229030241.M11005-100000@tcfreenet.org> > The problem is that when I went to install Windows 98 on the partition I had > created for that purpose, it apparently overwrote the boot loader (GRUB). > That's what I'm guessing, anyway, because GRUB didn't start and I just got a > "Disk I/O error". So I fired up the Mandrake installer again and got GRUB > back, and now Linux boots fine, but Windows still doesn't. Screen output > looks like this: > Disk I/O error > Replace the disk, and then press any key Because of how windows handles the installation, you need to install linux AFTER you install windows. The error is from Windows rewriting the boot sector. Just another anti-competitive 'feature' of M$. Terry Schanno TCFN Volunteer Coordinator schanno@tcfreenet.org From fertch at mninter.net Sat Dec 29 22:26:50 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions References: Message-ID: <3C2B651A.F912C5F@mninter.net> Okay, I modified the /etc/network/interfaces file: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) iface eth0 inet static address 10.0.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 network 10.0.0.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 iface eth1 inet static address 65.165.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.xxx.xxx network 65.165.xxx.xxx broadcast 65.165.xxx.xxx Here's what shows from ifconfig -a: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr inet addr:10.0.0.x Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:206 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0x210 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr inet addr:65.xxx.xx.xx Bcast:65.xxx.xx.xx Mask:255.255.xxx.xxx BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 However, when I go to ping something, I can't get a response back. I get "network resource not available" On a reboot, I get the error message: SIOCSIFFLAGS resource temporarily unavailable" or something like that. I can't ping from either card, or to either internal or external network addresses. Ideas? They're 3c905b cards. One is an isa, the other pci 10Mb. > | 2) For ip-chains and ip-filter, what packages do I need to install? Someone > apt-get install ipchains ipmasqadm I didn't do this part yet, but to me trying to get packages in Debian is like trying to fill out forms in triplicate for buying a house. I went through modconf, and it was highly confusing. The nice part about it is that it gives good descriptions of what they packages are, and it warns you somewhat about the conflicts. This may sound odd to some of you, but I find Debian confusing to install. To me, it's probably the most confusing. I've been using Slackware for about a year now I think, so I'm used to it the most. I would have preferred to use Slackware, but for some reason there were a couple of things broken that I couldn't get working: wouldn't detect my 2nd nic and I couldn't get IPfilters to work with the 2.4.5 kernel. For as much as I complain about Slackware, I still prefer it over other distros. However, I'll still try and pound away on Debian to see if I can get it to work. Thanks for the help everyone, Shawn From list at slushpupie.com Sat Dec 29 22:29:38 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD and CDRW in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011229154345.2EF81C6BAB@stc-matrix.chartermi.net> DVD support should be on most every Distro now, but getting a decent player will raise a good debate just about anywhere. 2 suggestions I know work fairly well: Ogle - I handles the menu systems, I dont know others that do xine - fairly simple to install There are others, but those are the two most people seem to use. CDRW- if it is an IDE drive, read up on SCSI emulation. Beyond that, the program to use is cdrecord (included with most distros) and there are many, many GUI front ends if you wish. Jay On Wednesday 26 December 2001 10:49 am, you wrote: > I just received both for Christmas. Any tips for me when I try to get > these setup in Linux? > Are DVD drives supported and is there software out their for them? > What is the best GUI CDRW software for Linux. Does it have the "erase" > CDRW function? > > Thanks for the help in advance! > > > Clinton Hegney > chegney@highstream.net > c_hegney@gelco.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You will give someone a piece of your mind, which you can ill afford. From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Dec 30 18:32:57 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free to a good home... Sparc5 w/20" color monitor In-Reply-To: <200112270921.fBR9LeP01568@zjod.net> Message-ID: I'll take that, It'll run my NMR software well. Colin From chegney at highstream.net Sun Dec 30 18:38:15 2001 From: chegney at highstream.net (Clinton Hegney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free to a good home... Sparc5 w/20" color monitor References: <200112290753.fBT7rA510701@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C2E65C6.6060906@highstream.net> I'll take it! -- Clinton Hegney chegney@highstream.net From jack at jacku.com Sun Dec 30 18:41:07 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01122921275903.00900@geezer> On Saturday 22 December 2001 23:40, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I am interested in starting a collection of old books that cover > basic microprocessor and minicomputer operation and theory. They need not > be "famous" texts, most any title would be appreciated. I think that a > great deal can be learned from these "obsolete" texts that shed a lot of > light and appreciation on how systems operate today. > > Are there any sources anyone can recommend on acquiring many of the > old texts that are undoubtably out of print? Thanks. > > > > - Jamie Used bookstores are a place to start. Independents more so than chains like half priced books. If you find yourself in Duluth there is a store on Superior street, diagonally across from the Casino. They had some great old computer books, including some texts and lots of old manuals. I haven't hit many of the used store in the Twin Cities so I can't speak for them. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 30 18:44:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow list Message-ID: <20011229125932.S11447@real-time.com> Yes, the list is slow. As lamer says, "... wicked LKML injection ...". But sending email to the list asking if it is slow doesn't help speed things up. Also, send mail to the list asking if there is a problem with the list is not a very good idea. If the list does have a problem your trouble report will never be seen. If you think there is a problem with the list send myself email, tanner@real-time.com, if you -know- there is a problem send email to support@real-time.com. Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Dec 30 18:47:13 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strange NFS behavior Message-ID: I've got two machines running 2.4.17, this has been a problem all through 2.4.x. I have one machine, workstation, setup to mount directories off of another machine, disk. I can mount them just fine directly and with autofs. However over time I get stale NFS filehandles for no apparent reason. Neither machine was rebooted or lost a network connection. Most recently I reproduced this behavior by mounting one directory, leaving it for a long time without much activity, then checking it; everything was ok, so I mounted another directory and suddenly any files open on the first mount came up with stale NFS filehandles. So I kill off what has the open filehandles and umount the directory to clear the stale NFS filehandles. Then I try to mount the directory again and disk shows the following in the message log until I run exportfs -ra: Dec 29 22:49:32 disk rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted I've tried NFSv3 on and off and neither seems to help. I'm at wits end here. Anyone else have ideas? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From peter-clark at tides.com Sun Dec 30 18:50:14 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <20011229111917.A25553@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> <200112270851.fBR8pBV129700@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> <20011229111917.A25553@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200112300322.fBU3MSn80248@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> On Saturday 29 December 2001 11:19, you wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 02:50:43AM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > > Now, the whole point of reinstalling Windows was so that I could view the > > contents of my fat-format Zip disk. > > Uhm, you should be able to look at your fat-format Zip disk under > Linux without too much hassle. I'd imagine (v)fat support is > compiled in (or a module) for every distro's default kernel. And > as far as I know Zip disks have been fully supported for quite a > while (though I have no first hand knowledge - I avoid those > things like the plague). Thanks, but as I explained earlier, for some strange reason, my Linux box does not read fat fs Zip disks. It does (just to compound the weirdness) read vfat fs Zip disks. Also, I compiled my kernel to read both fat and vfat file systems. Very weird. Actually, I suspect that it's a problem with the Zip disk itself. As I recall, it was formated on a Mac in fat format, and when I examined it in Windows, I had to run scandisk on it to correct some errors. Eventuallly, I'll wipe it completely and put a ext2 fs on it and see how that works. :Peter From ming at evil-overlords.com Sun Dec 30 18:53:18 2001 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Weird problem Message-ID: >In the RPM database, the package doesn't have `.i386.rpm' attached to it. >Also, the version usually isn't necessary when you're removing things. >Try `rpm -e MySQL'... OK having the same problem so I looked up this thread in the archives but when I try 'rpm -e mysql* I get the jabbering that the mysql stuff isn't installed crap, and when I try to install the rpms it says that the rpms conflict with mysql stuff... Just kinda odd Jason From sos at zjod.net Sun Dec 30 19:16:46 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Sparc In-Reply-To: <20011229112400.Y75041-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> from "Shane Kinney" at Dec 29, 2001 11:26:35 AM Message-ID: <200112300505.fBU553v27940@zjod.net> Shane Kinney wrote: > > Hey evreyone, > I have recently obtained a Sparc Station 2, but I don't have a Sun moniter > to hook it up to. If any of you have any Sparc Boxes that you want to sell > as well as Sun Moniters, please let me know. I would gladly by them, > especially if they are working condition. > Let me know. > Thanks! > ~Shane > Sun sells a "Sun Interface Converter" (Sun part number 370-2068-01, a.k.a. "X465A" -- list price $75) that lets you connect a Sparc box to a regular (PS/2) keyboard & mouse. More info at: "http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=3948" They also sell a video converter that allows you to feed the monitor output from a Sparc (a male plug shaped roughly like "\00:::::0/", where "\" and "/" represent the shape of the plug's sides) to a PC-style monitor (as part number 130-3034-01 a.k.a.: "X3872A"-- list price $35). Info at: "http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=11107" Then just combine any PCs you use regularly and your new Sparc (with the above stuff attached) to something like a Belkin's OmniView and... Ta Da!... you're back to only one monitor and keyboard on your desk. Been there, done that, it works great'idly, -Steve From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 30 19:35:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Masquerading help needed In-Reply-To: <20011229065619.92DB31776E@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 12:56:19AM -0600 References: <20011229065619.92DB31776E@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011230190415.A11447@real-time.com> Quoting Joel Rosenberg (joelr@ellegon.com): > I've got three machines on my home network, all of which are connected > via a hub, which is also connected to the Roadrunner modem. FWIW, I'm > running Mandrake 8.1 on two of the systems, including my main work > system, and Windows 2000 on the third. My main system has no trouble > in picking up an IP address from Roadrunner when booting; my > daughter's machine is unable to. It mandrake a 2.2.x kernel or 2.4.x kernel? We (the list) need to know so we can walk you through ipchains (2.2.x) or iptables (2.4.x). -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From phil at rephil.org Sun Dec 30 19:43:21 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3? In-Reply-To: ; from Yaron on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:07:45PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011229234335.B24436@rephil.org> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:07:45PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Ok, this is weird. I thought ext3 and ex2 were interchangable, so all > you'd need to do to swich was compile a kernel with ext3 support, and then > mount an ext2 partition as ext3. All the docs I read seem to indicate > that. I think that ext3 is backwards compatible -- i.e., you can mount ext3 as ext2, but *not* the other way around without a juggle. I think for it to be recognized as ext3, it really has to have the journal files there. I've only been playing with them a little, but that's my current understanding. Let me know if you find otherwise. Phil -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Sun Dec 30 19:46:13 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall References: <000f01c18e22$2d4344a0$47646496@dart> <3C2D5FB7.C6E0FC43@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3C2EB84C.6010006@mn.mediaone.net> http://master-www.linuxrouter.org:8080/ LRP seems to do an OK job of firewalling. From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Dec 30 19:49:09 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:07:45PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011230005330.A16799@wookimus.net> Yaron, you have to run tune2fs to add journaling support for that partition. Then you should be able to mount the partition as ext3. You should definitely run fsck.ext2 on that partition before you run tune2fs. Clean everything up first. Then, run tune2fs to add journalling. Then remount the partition as ext3. NAME tune2fs - adjust tunable filesystem parameters on second extended filesystems SYNOPSIS tune2fs [ -l ] [ -c max-mount-counts ] [ -e errors-behavior ] [ -i interval-between- checks ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] [ -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -r reserved- blocks-count ] [ -s sparse-super-flag ] [ -u user ] [ -g group ] [ -C mount-count ] [ -L volume-name ] [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -O [^]feature[,...] ] [ -U UUID ] device HINT: Make sure you set your fs types in /etc/fstab to "auto". That way, you can still mount the parititons as ext2 on a kernel that doesn't support ext3. (Very nice for recovery operations.) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. Send email w/the Subject: "get help" From DCsk8r34 at aol.com Sun Dec 30 19:52:03 2001 From: DCsk8r34 at aol.com (DCsk8r34@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internet Connection Message-ID: <68.1912a29d.296020de@aol.com> Hello, I am using RedHat Linux 7.2 and I am trying to get connected to the Internet through xwindows using Gnome. When I goto the PPP dialer and click "connect to the internet" it gives me an error saying "Application "rp3" (process 1271) has crashed due to a fatal error. (segmentation fault)" is there a way to fix this problem or another program I can use to connect to the internet? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks -Derek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was pretty easy to set up, and the hub provides DHCP services that work well with both mandrake and 98/ME. I had a Linksys before this and it seem to work just about as well. I would still be using it but I had to give it us when my son moved out. The cool feature of the SMC is how It allows you to dial in any MAC, and it provides both network printer and modem ports. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Rosenberg" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:56 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Masquerading help needed Since Roadrunner has apparently started limiting the number of dynamic IPs it'll let one cable modem get, I need to figure out a way to share the connection. From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Dec 30 19:58:03 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:07:45PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011230081905.B6631@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:07:45PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, this is weird. I thought ext3 and ex2 were interchangable, so all > you'd need to do to swich was compile a kernel with ext3 support, and then > mount an ext2 partition as ext3. All the docs I read seem to indicate > that. > > However, when I try moounting an ext2 partition with -t ext3, I get: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, > or too many mounted file systems > > > Can still mount it as ext2. This is on a debian/unstable with 2.4.17. > Anyone? > > -Yaron > First you need to convert the ext2 system to ext3. Run: tune2fs -j /dev/ where is your disk partition, eg /dev/hda5. the tune2fs command creates a journal file and will let you mount the partition as ext3. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Dec 30 20:01:12 2001 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot loader woes In-Reply-To: <20011229030241.M11005-100000@tcfreenet.org>; from schanno@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:03:50AM -0600 References: <01122722554400.02613@Romana> <20011229030241.M11005-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20011230083702.E19907@techmonkeys.org> > Because of how windows handles the installation, you need to install linux > AFTER you install windows. The error is from Windows rewriting the boot > sector. Just another anti-competitive 'feature' of M$. > You could say the same thing about any OS that installs itself in the boot sector, that's why you need to keep rescue disks around, and learn how to re-run lilo. There is no particular order in which you must install OS's on your system, just make sure you have a boot disk into the OS that has your boot loader (grub, lilo, Proof, xosl..) Matthew S. Hallacy > Terry Schanno > TCFN Volunteer Coordinator > schanno@tcfreenet.org > From dante at plethora.net Sun Dec 30 20:05:07 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Friday 28 December 2001 22:07, you wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, this is weird. I thought ext3 and ex2 were interchangable, so all > you'd need to do to swich was compile a kernel with ext3 support, and then > mount an ext2 partition as ext3. All the docs I read seem to indicate > that. > > However, when I try moounting an ext2 partition with -t ext3, I get: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, > or too many mounted file systems > > > Can still mount it as ext2. This is on a debian/unstable with 2.4.17. > Anyone? You need to add an ext3 journal to the filesystem before you can mount it as ext3. I remember having to reach a bit for the tools yet (not in .deb's) but they weren't hard to find. Check Freshmeat and Sourceforge. > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From dante at plethora.net Sun Dec 30 20:08:45 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <3C2B651A.F912C5F@mninter.net> References: <3C2B651A.F912C5F@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Thursday 27 December 2001 12:14, you wrote: > iface eth0 inet static > address 10.0.0.xx > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 10.0.0.0 > broadcast 10.0.0.255 > > > iface eth1 inet static > address 65.165.xxx.xxx > netmask 255.255.xxx.xxx > network 65.165.xxx.xxx > broadcast 65.165.xxx.xxx > Good here. > Here's what shows from ifconfig -a: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr > inet addr:10.0.0.x Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:206 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x210 ^^^^^^^^^^ See Below. > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr > inet addr:65.xxx.xx.xx Bcast:65.xxx.xx.xx Mask:255.255.xxx.xxx > BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 ^^^^^^^^^^ Bad. If these cards are what you said, an ISA and a PCI, you have a genuine, bonafide IRQ conflict of the old scholl here. Change the IRQ on one of them and both should start working. > Ideas? They're 3c905b cards. One is an isa, the other pci 10Mb. > > > | 2) For ip-chains and ip-filter, what packages do I need to install? > > | Someone > > > > apt-get install ipchains ipmasqadm > > I didn't do this part yet, but to me trying to get packages in Debian is > like trying to fill out forms in triplicate for buying a house. I went > through modconf, and it was highly confusing. The nice part about it is > that it gives good descriptions of what they packages are, and it warns you > somewhat about the conflicts. > I still find dselect to be the best at handling the dependencies. Of course, debian was too easy for me, so I am using a minor distribution now. I'll pass on the results shortly. > This may sound odd to some of you, but I find Debian confusing to install. Debian's install still sucks. It really wins on package management and package quantity. > To me, it's probably the most confusing. I've been using Slackware for > about a year now I think, so I'm used to it the most. I would have > preferred to use Slackware, but for some reason there were a couple of > things broken that I couldn't get working: wouldn't detect my 2nd nic and I > couldn't get IPfilters to work with the 2.4.5 kernel. The second NIC problem was probably the IRQ conflict. As far as IPFilters go, I always got kernel related packages from the original sources when I was running Slackware. This was years ago, but I never could get the precompiled versions to work properly with my system... -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Dec 30 20:11:38 2001 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a new sound card In-Reply-To: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net>; from peter-clark@tides.com on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 04:23:41PM -0600 References: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011230084432.F19907@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 04:23:41PM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > the 512? Also, the 512 uses the emu10k1 driver--if memory serves, weren't > there issues with the driver in the kernel? Only if you don't have troubleshooting skills. The driver is supported very well by creative (http://opensource.creative.com) with much better control in linux than in Windows. I've had no problems with it whatsoever, the problems I've seen are due to people not willing to read the documentation for advanced features (line remapping, record input selection, etc) Matthew S. Hallacy > TIA, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- From dante at plethora.net Sun Dec 30 20:14:28 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <20011229111917.A25553@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <200112240056.fBO0uOT142392@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> <200112270851.fBR8pBV129700@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> <20011229111917.A25553@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 02:50:43AM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > > Now, the whole point of reinstalling Windows was so that I could view the > > contents of my fat-format Zip disk. > > On the other hand, one of the nice things for me with my digital camera under Linux is that it shows up as a USB-SCSI Zip drive. My system handles it cleanly, and I even have the mount point set up for it in /etc/fstab. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From jim at bleedpurple.com Sun Dec 30 20:17:21 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall References: <000f01c18e22$2d4344a0$47646496@dart> <3C2D5FB7.C6E0FC43@mninter.net> Message-ID: <011b01c1914e$52d10070$d129a541@host209> Very nice product. It also includes Squid, Snort, and support for a DMZ. I love it! Recently, they incorporated ALL fixes (1 through 6) and some additional functionality into a "Special Edition" or .99 SE. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall > http://www.smoothwall.org > > Not a floppy based install. Rather a 25MB iso that is simple to install. I > spent days upon days of frustration trying to build a firewall machine.... > Downloaded the iso, burned it to cd at work. Came home, less than 45 minutes > later I was up and running. Both nics recognized, web interface on the internal > side. DHCP/DNS capabilites. SSH and VPN too. I'm very impressed at this. > > It's a free product, Linux based under the GNU license. I'm definately sending > some money into them to help support further development. > > One happy camper. I have this thing running on my P-166/96MB ram machine. > Scary thing is, it seems that internet connections are faster going through this > and two 10Mb hubs than it is for direct connection. Either that, or I'm still > in awe over the simplicity of this install. > > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Dec 30 20:21:03 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow list In-Reply-To: <20011229125932.S11447@real-time.com> References: <20011229125932.S11447@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Yes, the list is slow. As lamer says, "... wicked LKML injection ...". But > sending email to the list asking if it is slow doesn't help speed things up. > Is there a way that we can help speed up the LKML injection? Perhaps in a distributed fashion? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From esper at sherohman.org Sun Dec 30 20:23:45 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <3C2B651A.F912C5F@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 12:14:50PM -0600 References: <3C2B651A.F912C5F@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011230102333.A19533@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 12:14:50PM -0600, shawn wrote: > However, when I go to ping something, I can't get a response back. I get "network > resource not available" On a reboot, I get the error message: SIOCSIFFLAGS > resource temporarily unavailable" or something like that. I can't ping from either > card, or to either internal or external network addresses. > > Ideas? They're 3c905b cards. One is an isa, the other pci 10Mb. Sounds to me like your kernel might not have the appropriate driver installed. Are you using the stock kernel of have you built your own? (Much as I love Debian, I've never used the stock kernels for longer than it took me to make bzImage. Over on the debian-user list, there are a lot of people who swear by the wonders of make-kpkg, but I cut my teeth on Slackware some years back and building kernels the old-fashioned way is just so easy...) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From esper at sherohman.org Sun Dec 30 20:26:24 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a new sound card In-Reply-To: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net>; from peter-clark@tides.com on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 04:23:41PM -0600 References: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011230102653.B19533@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 04:23:41PM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > I went to Best Buy last night and spotted two > possibilities: a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 PCI and Sound Blaster PCI > 512. My question is this: is there any compelling reason to pay $20 more for > the 512? IMO, no. IIRC, the SB16PCI is ES1371 based (or is it 1370?), which is the single chipset I most love to use under linux. Load the driver and It Just Works. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Dec 30 20:29:04 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: cable modem stuff In-Reply-To: <20011227085941.D22432@ringworld.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011226085651.H19907@techmonkeys.org> <20011227085941.D22432@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Matthew S. Hallacy [011227 04:46]: > > don't want to. AT&T has been swapping the 3Com's (Tailfin/Sharkfin 3C292XX) > > I'm going for the 'buy your own modem and get $10 back a month' idea. :) A few questions come to mind with this idea: - How long does it take for the investment to pay off? ie. $10/month for how many months to make up the cost of the modem. - Will the same cable modem still be useful after that much time? - What's to keep AT&T from changing the technology used so that you need to buy a new cable modem? - How long will it be before something better comes out? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From thudak at autonomous.tv Sun Dec 30 20:32:09 2001 From: thudak at autonomous.tv (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free to a good home... Sparc5 w/20" color monitor In-Reply-To: <200112270921.fBR9LeP01568@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 03:21:40AM -0600 References: <200112270921.fBR9LeP01568@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20011229181935.A78658@Ikarus> * Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net) wrote: > > Doing a favor for a friend in the Eagan area... > > Free to a good home: Sun "pizza box" Sparc5 (128MBytes + 4GB SCSI internal disk) w/ > 20" color monitor. I'll take it! I don't have a car atm but I will definitely take it. Mail me off the list. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Unix Admin http://tcos.stderr.net SMS - 6123181967@airmessage.net VM / Pager - 6123181967@airmessage.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8L0cSfexLsowstzcRAog/AJ4kgM7jr7r9+Y4uA/6rf8cBXMh2RgCgjbra WynnWMklf7lJ33ntP5bz3E8= =lOD/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sun Dec 30 20:37:32 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Sparc References: <20011229112400.Y75041-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: <002a01c19152$12dcf1a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> With an adapter you can use a multisync VGA monitor. Also you can connect to the first serial port and use that for controlling the box. I have a IPC with no keyboard or monitor that I loaded NetBSD on using the serial port to control it. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Kinney" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Sparc > Hey evreyone, > I have recently obtained a Sparc Station 2, but I don't have a Sun moniter > to hook it up to. If any of you have any Sparc Boxes that you want to sell > as well as Sun Moniters, please let me know. I would gladly by them, > especially if they are working condition. > Let me know. > Thanks! > ~Shane > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Sun Dec 30 20:40:13 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011230172621.GA8516@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:07PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > However, when I try moounting an ext2 partition with -t ext3, I get: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, > or too many mounted file systems Did you do a "tune2fs -j /dev/hda5" first? I don't know if that's the precise correct command, but you have to sprinkle some magic pixie dust on the partition to ext3-ize it. I forget if the partition can/should be mounted or not...probably not. If you're running Debian unstable, you'll have the necessary versions of e2fsprogs, etc. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011230/79f46d4e/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Dec 30 20:42:54 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strange NFS behavior Message-ID: I've got two machines running 2.4.17, this has been a problem all through 2.4.x. I have one machine, workstation, setup to mount directories off of another machine, disk. I can mount them just fine directly and with autofs. However over time I get stale NFS filehandles for no apparent reason. Neither machine was rebooted or lost a network connection. Most recently I reproduced this behavior by mounting one directory, leaving it for a long time without much activity, then checking it; everything was ok, so I mounted another directory and suddenly any files open on the first mount came up with stale NFS filehandles. So I kill off what has the open filehandles and umount the directory to clear the stale NFS filehandles. Then I try to mount the directory again and disk shows the following in the message log until I run exportfs -ra: Dec 29 22:49:32 disk rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted I've tried NFSv3 on and off and neither seems to help. I'm at wits end here. Anyone else have ideas? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Dec 30 21:33:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: cable modem stuff In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D28B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011226085651.H19907@techmonkeys.org> <20011227085941.D22432@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011230211857.B26419@ringworld.org> * Jon Schewe [011230 20:32]: > - How long does it take for the investment to pay off? ie. $10/month for how > many months to make up the cost of the modem. It was ~120 with shipping, so about a year. > - Will the same cable modem still be useful after that much time? Sure. I can't find anyone who claims DOCSIS will go away by then. > - What's to keep AT&T from changing the technology used so that you need to > buy a new cable modem? Lots, they've got lots of headend equipment and deployed equipment, along with CPE equipment that would cost an absurd amount to replace. It took forever for mediaone just to upgrade to a HFC system. Most modems are upgradable to DOCSIS 1.1 for free, via a provider firmware upload that the end user doesn't even have to do anything for. Most of the 'magic' is done in firmware afaik. From eng at pinenet.com Mon Dec 31 00:43:37 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install jest Message-ID: <01C1918D.43206FA0.eng@pinenet.com> I think Wed. or Thurs. I'll get to Midwest Electronics and install a Linux system in their showroom. (Ed wants to do it, too.) I'll use SuSE. Consider yourselves warned. Unless a real Linux expert steps up and does a real install, the task defaults to me. (There must be a high school kid out there off from school.) From eng at pinenet.com Mon Dec 31 00:46:06 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux (fuel cell) controller using SCSI Message-ID: <01C1918D.41AF2C60.eng@pinenet.com> Having looked into most possibilities, the best controller method seems to be SCSI (duh), hands down. The technology is mature. I just purchased three Adaptec 1540C ISA cards for three dollars (plus $5 S&H) over ebay. These cards have a Z80 CPU on them (same as my first PC) and are highly programmable using a standard SCSI command set. While the cards are no longer suitable for hard drive controllers, they certainly exceed needs of most uses. My understanding is that a SCSI card is really just a programmable parallel port multiplexer. For an oldster, a SCSI card in a Linux box is equivalent to the several separate 8080 and Z80 controllers networked into a central PDP11 used in the old days (without a video terminal). Our chemistry lab never did get it to work. The motherboard serial, parallel, and USB ports burden the Linux system and just don't rival having the separate real mode processor and bios of SCSI. Finally, time for some fun. From phil at rephil.org Mon Dec 31 01:33:15 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Old computer books In-Reply-To: <01122921275903.00900@geezer>; from Jack Ungerleider on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:27:59PM -0600 References: <01122921275903.00900@geezer> Message-ID: <20011231011157.A1136@rephil.org> Further OT: The oldest useful book I can find in my collection is Organick, E.J., "FORTRAN Primer," 1963. (Used 90 days ago!) Can anyone beat it? :) -- "Trying to do something with your life is like sitting down to eat a moose." --Douglas Wood From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Dec 31 02:59:43 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mediaone/at&t and a new modem In-Reply-To: <20011227111141.D1116@real-time.com> References: <20011226214459.X22432@ringworld.org> <20011227111141.D1116@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011231005511.D26419@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [011229 22:16]: > why couldn't you use the MAC of your existing Ethernet card? or did > they have that marked in their database as 'watch out for this guy'? I flip them around to avoid duplicates. Paranoia at best, I guess. VMWare randomly comes up with one with a vendor id that they own, i think. I know I can reset the one the VM uses. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Dec 31 09:07:17 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall References: <000f01c18e22$2d4344a0$47646496@dart> <3C2D5FB7.C6E0FC43@mninter.net> <011b01c1914e$52d10070$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: <007b01c19206$39a5a2a0$47646496@dart> The only problem with it is that it runs on kernel 2.2.x, so you don't have stateful packet handling. And, they say right up front that they simply pass anything through that is above port 1024, which is of course where all the trojans hide :( But, it is a very nice product, aside from that. If they were to go to 2.4.x, I would use it immediately. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Herrick" To: ; ""shawn"" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall > Very nice product. It also includes Squid, Snort, and support for a DMZ. I > love it! > > Recently, they incorporated ALL fixes (1 through 6) and some additional > functionality into a "Special Edition" or .99 SE. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shawn" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall > > > > http://www.smoothwall.org > > > > Not a floppy based install. Rather a 25MB iso that is simple to install. > I > > spent days upon days of frustration trying to build a firewall machine.... > > Downloaded the iso, burned it to cd at work. Came home, less than 45 > minutes > > later I was up and running. Both nics recognized, web interface on the > internal > > side. DHCP/DNS capabilites. SSH and VPN too. I'm very impressed at > this. > > > > It's a free product, Linux based under the GNU license. I'm definately > sending > > some money into them to help support further development. > > > > One happy camper. I have this thing running on my P-166/96MB ram machine. > > Scary thing is, it seems that internet connections are faster going > through this > > and two 10Mb hubs than it is for direct connection. Either that, or I'm > still > > in awe over the simplicity of this install. > > > > > > Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Mon Dec 31 09:10:00 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <20011230102333.A19533@sherohman.org> References: <3C2B651A.F912C5F@mninter.net> <20011230102333.A19533@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011231085220.2ebe5f97.fertch@mninter.net> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:23:33 -0600 Dave Sherohman wrote: > Sounds to me like your kernel might not have the appropriate driver > installed. Are you using the stock kernel of have you built your > own? (Much as I love Debian, I've never used the stock kernels for > longer than it took me to make bzImage. Over on the debian-user > list, there are a lot of people who swear by the wonders of > make-kpkg, but I cut my teeth on Slackware some years back and > building kernels the old-fashioned way is just so easy...) Basically, what I did was replace the cards and put two PCI cards in. One D-Link and one 3Com. Then I installed smoothwall. No hassles, no muss, no fuss. About 45 minutes and I was up and running. Not sure if I will use Debian anymore. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Slackware is much more comfortable for me, so I think I'll stick with that for my other machines. Thanks for the help. Shawn From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Dec 31 09:17:42 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virtual domain for email References: Message-ID: <3C306F0E.9030003@talkware.net> I have just recently setup a mail server that will support lots of virtual domains. It will also support having joe@domain1.com and joe@domain2.com where the 2 joe's will have different accounts. Postfix and Cyrus Basically follow this howto. I was running debian testing and i didnt need to do the berkeley db stuff or the IMSP stuff. http://dudle.linuxroot.org/docs/postfix_cyrus/mail.html#toc4 In the postfix virtual table i have to do joe@domain.com joe\\\@domain.com@domain.com instead of what the howto explains. I have been trying to get the following perl reg exp to work in place of the individual user entries in the virtual table, but postfix seg faults on this regexp. /^([^@]+)@(.+)$/ ${1}\\\@${2}\@${2} I also used Cyrus 2.1.0 beta instead of the HIERSEP cyrus (2.1.0 has the HIERSEP stuff in it and is newer). And sasl 2.0.5beta. 'apt-get source postfix' and modified it slightly based on another faq to support smtp auth. Timothy Wilson wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > [TCLUG] virtual domain for email > From: > > Timothy Wilson > Date: > > Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:08:44 -0600 (CST) > To: > > TCLUG > > To: > > TCLUG > > >Hi everyone, > >Santa's going to be delivering a domain name and little Web page to my >parents this year. There's starting up a very small business and I >noticed that the domain name was available and registered it. I plan to >host a little Web page on my home server for them and I'm hoping to be >able to handle some email with that domain as well. > >I've got a single static IP from Visi and I know that I can do >name-based virtual hosting with Apache for the Web page. I'm wondering >about the email though. My current domain is qwerk.org and I can send >and receive mail through there. Can I, using a single IP address, get >Postfix to handle email transparently for littlecreektrees.com as well? > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Dec 31 09:42:44 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problem References: <20011226214459.X22432@ringworld.org> <20011227111141.D1116@real-time.com> <20011231005511.D26419@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <00ad01c1920a$4d03afa0$47646496@dart> Over the weekend my home server died. Both the HD and the network card went at the same time :( Anyway, I took the opportunity to upgrade the system to 32 MB of EDO RAM (ransacked from other machines) and install RH 7.2. I had a backup :) of the Samba config file, dropped it in, added all the users back in, copied the data files back, etc. Everything is fine, except for the NT workstation. I added the machine using smbpasswd -a -m, it shows up nicely in the smbpasswd file, just like it should. But, when I try to log on from the NT workstation, it says that the machine is not registered with the PDC. I look in the event log, and it says the same thing. When I run NT diagnostics from the Administrative tools menu, it shows the correct machine as the PDC with the correct domain. I remember this happening to me once before, and I was able to fix it. But, now I can't remember what I did. Anybody had this problem before and remember? I think it has something to do with the new hashes in the smbpasswd file not matching the ones on the workstation, but am not sure... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Mon Dec 31 11:17:24 2001 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internet Connection In-Reply-To: <68.1912a29d.296020de@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 DCsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > Hello, I am using RedHat Linux 7.2 and I am trying to get connected to the > Internet through xwindows using Gnome. When I goto the PPP dialer and click > "connect to the internet" it gives me an error saying "Application "rp3" > (process 1271) has crashed due to a fatal error. (segmentation fault)" is > there a way to fix this problem or another program I can use to connect to > the internet? Any help is greatly appreciated. > Thanks > -Derek > I had that problem once or twice; it was intermittant. I had better luck when I went through the "Start Here" thinggummy and used the Dialup Configuration tool. That took care of detecting and setting up the modem properly and also creating the internet connection for the ppp dialer. Then the regular RH ppp-dialer worked just great. The tool is down under Programs - Internet Applications or something like that. Perhaps you've already tried this - if not and if you can't find what I'm talking about, drop me an off-list email and I'll look for the exact location on my machine at home - can't do it from work. Someday I plan on learning how to configure all of that without using the GUI helpers, but with internet I just want it to work first! Good Luck Rob From nate at techie.com Mon Dec 31 11:41:55 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a new sound card In-Reply-To: <20011230102653.B19533@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:26:53AM -0600 References: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> <20011230102653.B19533@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011231095057.A9339@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:26:53AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > IMO, no. IIRC, the SB16PCI is ES1371 based (or is it 1370?), which > is the single chipset I most love to use under linux. Load the > driver and It Just Works. While I love my ES1371-based SB Ensoniq PCI, it just doesn't compare to the Turtle Beach Montego II I had before I went all out Linux. One of the features I loved the most with that card was the hardware mixing. I could run as many sounds apps at once and they would all mix together flawlessly. Does anyone know how to get es1371 based cards to do that same thing? Nate From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Dec 31 14:17:17 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest dialup References: <200112282224.fBSMOLn25390@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> <20011230102653.B19533@sherohman.org> <20011231095057.A9339@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3C30BBD6.555FE3FC@structural-wood.com> Hi, My Mom's been using qwest as a dialup account for several years from her Linux box. Starting sometime this weekend pppd seems unable to connect. I've verified each step of the chat script, and it gets to the point where qwest is spitting out ppp connection garbage, and the local pppd seems to begin negotiating and never finishes. Does anyone have any advice or is anyone experiencing something similiar with Qwest. If she is running into a problem with Qwest/MSN, does anyone have suggestions for a new ISP? Thanks, Kent From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 31 16:06:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest dialup Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > If she is running into a problem with Qwest/MSN, does anyone > have suggestions for a new ISP? real-time.com and iexposure.net are both local, linux friendly ISP's. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 31 16:24:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing daemons Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Is anyone using linux or BSD for a router? I'm looking for a good routing daemon for freebsd. I've found routed, gated, zebra, and MRTD. Has anyone here used these? Basically, I need to do either RIP or OSPF to talk to cisco routers which will redistribute into EIGRP. Jay From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 31 17:11:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow list In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 07:43:21PM -0600 References: <20011229125932.S11447@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011231144243.F31615@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > Bob Tanner writes: > > > Yes, the list is slow. As lamer says, "... wicked LKML injection ...". But > > sending email to the list asking if it is slow doesn't help speed things up. > > > > Is there a way that we can help speed up the LKML injection? Perhaps in a > distributed fashion? > > mailman's design is very poor, it stores the archives as 1 huge mbox file. This design does not lead to a distributed processing model. The bottleneck will always be the mbox file and the write-exclusive lock to it. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Dec 31 17:25:29 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about backup software and tape changers Message-ID: <15408.58830.438745.507318@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> The other day I bought a DDS-2 tape changer, thinking that would simplify my backups. I just have a desktop workstation at home, and have been backing it up with a DDS-1 drive, using taper. As far as I can tell, taper won't exploit the changer, and the software that will is amanda. That's fine, but there seem to be two problems with amanda: 1. It's a big, complicated thing, unlike taper (which is quite adequately complicated, but not on the same scale) and 2. A full file system backup must fit onto a single tape. The second seems pretty fatal, since I'm only going to have DDS-2s (and, for the time being, would love to use my supply of DDS-1s). Now I'm going to have to split up my full, two-tape backup (I don't have that much stuff on my system, mostly text), into a bunch of smaller backups that will fit in a single tape and, worse, if I get a mess of MP3's or something, may suddenly blow past the one-tape limit and have to restructure my backups. So... is there something that will work better with a tape changer and relatively small tapes? Thanks! R From uak at nerp.net Mon Dec 31 19:34:01 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest dialup In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: I use Sihope. Ask for Adam. Adam likes Linux. tel: 952.548.2000 uak On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > If she is running into a problem with Qwest/MSN, does anyone > > have suggestions for a new ISP? > > real-time.com and iexposure.net are both local, linux friendly ISP's. From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Dec 31 19:35:34 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RealAudion and Windows Media Player clones? Message-ID: I just went out to the RealAudion site to check for new versions of the player for Linux. There's a new player out there, but it's only for Windows. So I got to thinking, are there any RealAudio or Windows Media Player clones out there for Linux? It's be nice to have another option to listen to streaming audio with. No, using something like IceCast doesn't help because I want to listen to sites that are already out there. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Mon Dec 31 19:38:35 2001 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update In-Reply-To: <200112270851.fBR8pBV129700@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > The experience, however, was enlightening, in that I > learned that whatever difficulties I may face in Linux, it's > a whole stinkin' swamp worse in Windows. Like I told my wife: > shifting from Linux to Windows is like switching from a > Ferrari to a tricycle with concrete blocks tied to the rear > wheels. > :Peter As a total newbie, the only problems I've ever had with Linux have in fact been caused by Windows ;) Rob From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Dec 31 21:42:19 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: <20011224182736.B10936@iucha.net> References: <20011224182736.B10936@iucha.net> Message-ID: <50660.198.74.20.73.1009492522.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:27:31AM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: >> Probably a dump question but I got some Linux decals that say >> "Warning:Turning off the power or pressing reset switch could lose >> contents of hard drive. If you must restart this system, please get >> help or use Ctrl-Alt-Del". My question is if Linux is more of a >> problem than Windows if shutdown improperly? Sometimes in Windows even >> the Ctrl-Alt-Del won't work and I have to reset. I know it is not >> good but the only option in Windows when it hangs up. > > It depends. You can have bad luck... > > I got the box to hang on me a couple of times (*) and nothing bad > happened. Of course the files I had open were more or less toasted, but > the box came up fine. One way to get around this is to compile the Magic SysRq Key into the kernel, check under "Kernel Hacking" This will allow you to sync your filesystems even if the kernel is mostly locked up, usually it goes like this: Alt-SysRq-S - this sync the fs, wait for done to appear or hope that it apeared if you use X Alt-SysRq-U - This umounts all filesystems and mounts them RO Alt-SysRq-B - This reboots the system more options can be found in Documentation/sysrq.txt iirc, in you kernel source directory. if you SSH into your box DO NOT use this option;-) florin, when X crashes on me most of the time i can SSH in and kill X, have you tried that? -munir From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Dec 31 22:33:49 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Qwest dialup In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011231211603.F26419@ringworld.org> * uak [011231 19:36]: > I use Sihope. Ask for Adam. Adam likes Linux. Agreed, sihope rules. If I didn't have the cable option, I would pick DSL via Sihope. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ ...one of the top CBS reporters here in the Twin Cities, came up to me and said, "Governor." Here was her question: "How do you respond to some people who say you're spending too much time on state security and not enough time on Major League Baseball and the Twins?" -Jesse Ventura, Salon interview 12.17.01 on why he thinks media are jackals and his partial justification for ignoring the 'baseball issue'. From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Dec 31 22:36:40 2001 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RealAudion and Windows Media Player clones? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020101034827.4362B1776E@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Monday 31 December 2001 06:48 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > I just went out to the RealAudion site to check for new versions of the > player for Linux. There's a new player out there, but it's only for > Windows. So I got to thinking, are there any RealAudio or Windows Media > Player clones out there for Linux? It's be nice to have another option to > listen to streaming audio with. No, using something like IceCast doesn't > help because I want to listen to sites that are already out there. Yup; there's a RealPlayer for Linux, and it's available for download from the real.com site. From eng at pinenet.com Mon Dec 31 22:38:28 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB update Message-ID: <01C19246.5B2C9920.eng@pinenet.com> For the PCI bus, IRQs are not used as exclusive switches to communicate with different add-on cards or devices. IRQs were used in the ISA bus and needed to be unique. The PCI bus as a whole has a few IRQs that are assigned, but after that the PCI bus uses "enumeration" to address each card or device separately. The process of enumeration is part of the "plug and play" setup process. I've never used the Linux stand-alone plug and play setup tool. Newer Linux distributions have far better hardware plug and play installation, but with my first Linux (SuSE 6.1), one needed to know exactly the hardware used. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [SMTP:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 9:32 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] USB update > console (say vt1) I would get timeout errors. Finally, I got > a clue and > checked /proc/interrupts. Oddly enough, interrupt 10 was > shared by both USB > and NVidia. "Ah!" says I, "Check BIOS!" So after a quick slap > of the hand to > the head, I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, USB was not assigned an > interrupt, but AGP was. One reboot later, interrupt 10 is > assigned to NVidia, > and 11 to USB. And there was much rejoicing. I have the Soyo Dragon Plus board, and my video, sound, ethernet, and USB all share IRQ 11, and I have had no problems with it. Is this just on certain boards that people have trouble? Jay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Mon Dec 31 22:44:53 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Happy New Year to you all! [eom] In-Reply-To: <50660.198.74.20.73.1009492522.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: From florin at iucha.net Mon Dec 31 22:46:07 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux shutdown In-Reply-To: <50660.198.74.20.73.1009492522.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net>; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 04:35:22PM -0600 References: <20011224182736.B10936@iucha.net> <50660.198.74.20.73.1009492522.squirrel@webmail.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20011231221619.A7164@iucha.net> On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 04:35:22PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > florin, when X crashes on me most of the time i can SSH in and kill X, have > you tried that? Definitely. But I am not using the "soft" lockups you are using. Everytime it hangs, it hangs. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011231/a04dbf45/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 31 23:23:47 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console newsreader? In-Reply-To: ; from josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 09:53:39PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011227172143.A13330@real-time.com> > I'm just trolling for console newsreader suggestions. I know there are > plenty of standard packages out there and I figure people have already > tried a few. If you know how to get pine to do news that's a bonus. > > Thanks in advance, > > Joshua b. Jore once upon a time I tried out a bunch of them... turns out they all sucked. :( they probably worked well enough back in the day when you actually *read* news, rather than just leeching/posting mp3s; and the news server was probably the same multiuser system that you were logged into; but they aren't multithreaded, and the user interfaces leave a lot to be desired. :( I think the best thing to do would be to take Pan (the only really good freenix newsreader); and build some sort of ncurses front-end to it. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Dec 31 23:39:56 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problem Message-ID: Is the machine a user? If the machine were named "pickles" you would: % adduser pickles$ and maybe escape the '$' in 'pickles$' with a backslash (\) or put the whole thing in single quotes. I think that is all that is needed. Please correct me if I am wrong, Troy >>> jspinti@dart.dartdist.com 12/31/01 08:49AM >>> Over the weekend my home server died. Both the HD and the network card went at the same time :( Anyway, I took the opportunity to upgrade the system to 32 MB of EDO RAM (ransacked from other machines) and install RH 7.2. I had a backup :) of the Samba config file, dropped it in, added all the users back in, copied the data files back, etc. Everything is fine, except for the NT workstation. I added the machine using smbpasswd -a -m, it shows up nicely in the smbpasswd file, just like it should. But, when I try to log on from the NT workstation, it says that the machine is not registered with the PDC. I look in the event log, and it says the same thing. When I run NT diagnostics from the Administrative tools menu, it shows the correct machine as the PDC with the correct domain. I remember this happening to me once before, and I was able to fix it. But, now I can't remember what I did. Anybody had this problem before and remember? I think it has something to do with the new hashes in the smbpasswd file not matching the ones on the workstation, but am not sure... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From leif at mn.rr.com Mon Dec 31 23:40:54 2001 From: leif at mn.rr.com (Leif Hvidsten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Floppy based firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Funny you should mention this firewall...I just mentioned it only in a few posts before you! I've got it running on a P-166/64MB RAM though it supposedly does run fine even on a 486. I really like the web interface and SSHing into it from work and checking the IDS logs, firewall logs, and traffic graphs. To access it from outside just enter the IP address:port into the external service access feature. Be sure to check out the Special Edition ISO that just came out on Dec. 21st. http://www.smoothwall.org --Leif From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Dec 31 23:41:53 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing daemons In-Reply-To: <20011231164345.A6455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 04:43:45PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011231164345.A6455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20011231164949.B6455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 04:43:45PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:41:30PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Is anyone using linux or BSD for a router? I'm looking for a good routing > > daemon for freebsd. I've found routed, gated, zebra, and MRTD. Has anyone > > here used these? > > > > Basically, I need to do either RIP or OSPF to talk to cisco routers which > > will redistribute into EIGRP. > > > > Jay > > I haven't tried this, but check out www.zebra.org. The web site states: > > GNU Zebra is free software (distributed under GNU Generic Public > License) that manages TCP/IP based routing protocols. It supports BGP-4 > protocol as described in RFC1771 (A Border Gateway Protocol 4) as well > as RIPv1, RIPv2 and OSPFv2. > > It looks interesting and very promising. > I'm following up my own post since I didn't notice that Jay already mentioned that he found zebra. Think of it as information for those of you who hadn't heard of it before. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Dec 31 23:43:06 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] routing daemons In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:41:30PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D2BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011231164345.A6455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:41:30PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Is anyone using linux or BSD for a router? I'm looking for a good routing > daemon for freebsd. I've found routed, gated, zebra, and MRTD. Has anyone > here used these? > > Basically, I need to do either RIP or OSPF to talk to cisco routers which > will redistribute into EIGRP. > > Jay I haven't tried this, but check out www.zebra.org. The web site states: GNU Zebra is free software (distributed under GNU Generic Public License) that manages TCP/IP based routing protocols. It supports BGP-4 protocol as described in RFC1771 (A Border Gateway Protocol 4) as well as RIPv1, RIPv2 and OSPFv2. It looks interesting and very promising. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Mon Dec 31 23:44:14 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RealAudion and Windows Media Player clones? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01123120592400.02528@edith> On Monday 31 December 2001 18:48, you wrote: > I just went out to the RealAudion site to check for new versions of the > player for Linux. There's a new player out there, but it's only for > Windows. So I got to thinking, are there any RealAudio or Windows Media > Player clones out there for Linux? It's be nice to have another option to > listen to streaming audio with. No, using something like IceCast doesn't > help because I want to listen to sites that are already out there. The BBC has been doing some testing in Ogg format: http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ Love listening to the beeb with xmms! The radio-1 streams are great, while the radio-4 streams I listened to seem to be streaming in at 40kbps just below the required encoded bit-rate (44kHz) which is way more than enough for voice, but is just what they picked. The radio-1 streams seem to be (high of around 100kbps with 44kHz encoding and the "low bandwidth" comes in at 64kbps with the same 44kHz encoding.) 73's and happy new year!! Kelly Black KB0GBJ From gmcdavid at winternet.com Mon Dec 31 23:54:57 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:34:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RealAudion and Windows Media Player clones? In-Reply-To: <20020101034827.4362B1776E@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > Yup; there's a RealPlayer for Linux, and it's available for download > from the real.com site. I am using it right now to listen to my favorite New Year's Eve radio program (WFMT Chicago's Midnight Special) via Yahoo. Working just fine! Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid