Protection against communications and computing monopolies is a very old story. In fact, Control Data Corp. had a successful run here in Minnesota for years because they won some protection from IBM's dominance. I was one of the first advertised ISPs in Minnesota in 1985. The goal was freer communications, the technology was developed to meet that goal. Maintaining a free, open, unregulated internet communications system remains a goal. That's why Linux exists. The issue is the same, just technology and people have changed greatly over the years. Computing and internet technology have become entertainment oriented. I am very happy with my slow, reliable, independent ISP. But independent ISPs face some big challenges. As a parent to 3 grown kids, your attitude is very familiar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/24/01, 10:14:08 AM, Scott Dier <dieman+tclug at ringworld.org> wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] ATT filtering and now bring in lawyers.sdm: > * Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> [010824 09:26]: > > Choosing between M$ (Qwest) and ATT is no choice. Conceeding censorship > Yes, there is. Buy a Fractional T1 and a frame relay to any ISP in the > area. Norlight, KMC, and twtelecom are three off the top of my head > that could provide the services afaik. McLeod too. > Or better yet, pick a large national tier 1 isp. > The internet is *not* a regulated space, its via cooperation. If some > ISP's don't want to do what you want, you pick another. There is no > law saying that. > Perhaps they will have to disclose what they do more, but this is > completely insane. > -- > Scott Dier <dieman at ringworld.org> <sdier at debian.org> > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos at irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list