Do you have icewm or icewm-gnome installed? Other gnome window managers in Debian: sawfish, really nice lightweight window manager. enlightenment, but just say no. Bloat bloat bloat... Window Maker, but that gets a bit strange with GNOME. I'm sure they're are others that I've overlooked. Most recent distros default to sawfish for use with GNOME, because it was designed to do that. What can be done with GNOME doesn't need to be done in Sawfish... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward