for thoes that interested in working further on a project, I have just finished setting up Listar to work with my qmail install. I *just* finished it, how ever I was able to subscribe and reply from a couple of accounts. I'll get the details worked out tomorrow.... to subscribe, send am email to tclug_freegeek at sodatrain.com with a subject of 'subscribe' thank you, I am excited about such a priject, and I hope that we can take this somewhere. I think it would be a great way to use our valueable skill set and apply it somewhere where there may not be a lot of money for it. See you on the list, duncan ps. if you have any questions, feel free to email me off list.