Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:52:04AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >>> Can I get an amen brother!!! >> >> "Youth, enthusiasm, and talent are no match for old age and treachery." >> ;) > > > > HAHAHA, I am not all that enthused about vorbis, I added that cause I thought > it was funny. I'd to would like to see them succeed but wouldn't hold my > breath. But has nothing to do with intelligence of the hackers, it's more a > timing issue. I think it came along to late in the game. It lacked that timing > that would guarantee that deep markey penetration. > > If someone introduced another cushy windows like OS that was better, it > wouldn't make it. Doze is too deep seeded in that market. > >> That said, I'd still like to see Vorbis do it, but I won't put any money >> on 'em. > I'd like to point out that the consumer market isn't the only place where a decent (not necessarily MPEG-AAC-killa), royalty-free encoder is going to be attractive. Think of all the game developers out there who look at Ogg/Vorbis, and then look at MP3 (cue snarling, drooling Fraunhofer lawyer pack), and think to themselves "do I really want to pay out $0.50/disc to Fraunhofer if I don't *have* to?" That's one example, but there are plenty of places where sound will need to be compressed and then distributed to the masses, other than pillaging the storehouses of popular music for our listening pleasure. If Fraunhofer really does get off their ass and start enforcing licensing agreements, all of them will be ripe for Ogg/Vorbis. If, that is, enough people are aware of the technology and willing to speak intelligently about it for a couple of minutes, so that They Who Decide(tm) are made aware of the option. Open source "evangelism" isn't always about convincing people to abandon a perfectly good solution for an equally good Free one. Sometimes it's about providing exactly what a person/company has been looking for, if they only knew where to look. :) -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler at talkware.net Associate Engineer, Sysadmin Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <---------------------------------------------------------------------->