??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly
setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam?
I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL.

Gabe

On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote:
> I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL
> customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts.
> 
> 
> Ben Kochie wrote:
> 
> > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd
> > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users
> > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP.
> > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in
> > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be
> > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just
> > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem
> > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS
> > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck
> > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?)
> >
> > Thank You,
> >         Ben Kochie (ben at nerp.net)
> >
> > *-----------------------*  [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ]
> > | Unix/Linux Consulting |  [ Haiku Error Message:          ]
> > |  PC/Mac Repair        |  [  Chaos reigns within.         ]
> > |   Networking          |  [  Reflect, repent, and reboot. ]
> > | http://nerp.net       |  [  Order shall return.          ]
> > *-----------------------*  [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ]
> >
> >  "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote:
> >
> > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago.  The order was
> > > placed in June.  The due-date kept getting pushed until January.  Then the
> > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground
> > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig).  Finally in April they were able to
> > > install.  10 months, life really must be better here.
> > >
> > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" -
> > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the
> > > "Yes I agree" recordings).  They've been targetting asian and latino
> > > americans.
> > >
> > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse at qwest.net > /dev/null.  They don't
> > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites.  There's talk on NANAE about an
> > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP.
> > >
> > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and
> > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the
> > > incumbents.
> > >
> > > Don't even get me started on billing.  I have to initial every telco bill
> > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in
> > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...).  I have
> > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things
> > > add up.
> > >
> > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD!
> > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD!
> > >
> > > Adam Maloney
> > > Systems Administrator
> > > Sihope Communications
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this
> > > > time.  They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could
> > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date.  I went through hell the
> > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have
> > > > any troubles.  Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have
> > > > every single month for the last 15 months.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead at nerp.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN
> > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more
> > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't
> > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to
> > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till
> > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random
> > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob Brashear wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that
> > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield
> > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show
> > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these
> > > > > twits.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Bob Brashear                        voice: 612-374-4643
> > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis     email: rjb at artimex.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the
> > > > > stars!"
> > > > >
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