From foeclan at winternet.com Sun Oct 1 00:10:53 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837]Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) In-Reply-To: <39D6BBCA.6F97C4E3@uswest.net> Message-ID: Possibly an odd question, but did you rerun ldconfig and/or check to see if libxpm was in a path it finds (/etc/ld.so.conf in Slackware, at least). There should be a line that says /usr/X11R6/lib. Another issue might be who you're compiling it as. If you're doing it as root, try logging in as your normal user account, do the configure and make, then su to root and make install. libXpm might be in your path, but not root's. If those fail, try configure with these options: --with-xpm-includes=DIR --with-xpm-library=DIR --with-xpm Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Dave Sherman wrote: > Yes, I suspected this might be an issue, and made a couple of soft links > from the actual library files (in /usr/X11R6/something) to /usr/lib. > Perhaps I overlooked something -- I will take a close look on Sunday > afternoon, if I have the time. > > Dave > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Oct 1 00:36:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> <39D69386.1093CE6D@tcfreenet.org> <39D69E81.66CFAF06@uswest.net> <39D6AC87.E769DEBE@tcfreenet.org> <39D6BD17.FC966579@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D6CD70.34A29C89@tcfreenet.org> > match. Would I use it to run a server? Probably not. But this is my They have eServer for that. ;) Is Caldera RPM based? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 1 01:23:14 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21869] odd console message References: <200009301353.IAA09047@antares.cloudnet.com> <39D6C2AA.FB24A913@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D6D852.D7832B4D@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > > > I'm consistently getting a message on the console that's really bugging > > me. Every so often, it prints 'hdd: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 128K Cache'. > > There's no error, and I haven't noticed any problems with the drive. I'm > > running RH 7.0, but it was doing it on Pinstripe also. Any ideas?? > > Sounds like auto module loading. You using an evil automounter or > something? The modules are probably being loaded just fine, although force-loading the module may prevent the message from repeating over and over (otherwise, the module will load, then unload after a certain amount of time). Gnome has (or did have) a program that would watch the CD-ROM drive and see if anything had been loaded. Digging around in the Gnome control panel would probably give you an option to disable automatic loading/playing of CDs. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eagles may soar, but / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ weasels don't get sucked \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) into jet engines. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Oct 1 09:17:35 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21900] windows fdisk crash --can't recover windows Message-ID: A friend wanted to dual boot with linux and her already installed windows 98. She installed Mandrake 7.0, but it was the early version with the buggy resize in DiskDrake and so her windows partition got destroyed in the resizing. Now we can't get windows fdisk is work to put her windows back. I've tried booting with a linux rescue disk and deleting all the partitions. Rebooting, but when I delete add or view partitions in windows fdisk (two different versions) it just hangs. I tried making a win95 32bit partition (full size, 8gig) in linux and that works. I can copy files, but windows won't see it. I did fdisk /mbr and no luck. I made a 1gig dos partition and formated it, no dice. By default the hard drive is sectors=63, cylinders=1099 heads=64. I went to the bias and saw a second configuration with heads=15 and tons of cylinders. I repeated all the above sets with linux fdisk with those hd settings, but still no luck. This is a new sony lapton and I get do a hard drive wipe from the bias. Any ideas? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Sun Oct 1 10:01:44 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21900] windows fdisk crash --can't recover windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > settings, but still no luck. This is a new sony lapton and I get do a hard > drive wipe from the bias. Any ideas? Did you try Sony's recover disk? Andy > > Thanks, > > Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Oct 1 09:59:21 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21900] windows fdisk crash --can't recover windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > settings, but still no luck. This is a new sony lapton and I get do a hard > > drive wipe from the bias. Any ideas? > > Did you try Sony's recover disk? Yup, the disk says that error, no partition detected or something like that. If you say continue it says creating partition C: and hangs. If you say no, you are at a dos prompt and can run fdisk and watch it crash. I'm really stumpted, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Oct 1 10:15:24 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21900] windows fdisk crash --can't recover windows In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 09:59:21AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001001101524.D11423@ringworld.org> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 which will erase the MBR and the partition table. If fdisk still dont work, seek professional help. :) * Ben Luey [001001 10:06]: > > > settings, but still no luck. This is a new sony lapton and I get do a hard > > > drive wipe from the bias. Any ideas? > > > > Did you try Sony's recover disk? > > Yup, the disk says that error, no partition detected or something like > that. If you say continue it says creating partition C: and hangs. If you > say no, you are at a dos prompt and can run fdisk and watch it crash. > > I'm really stumpted, > > Ben > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm thinking it is something about lba and linux formating it in a different configuration than windows can recognize, but I dunno. Quite weird. Ben > > * Ben Luey [001001 10:06]: > > > > settings, but still no luck. This is a new sony lapton and I get do a hard > > > > drive wipe from the bias. Any ideas? > > > > > > Did you try Sony's recover disk? > > > > Yup, the disk says that error, no partition detected or something like > > that. If you say continue it says creating partition C: and hangs. If you > > say no, you are at a dos prompt and can run fdisk and watch it crash. > > > > I'm really stumpted, > > > > Ben > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 1 12:18:02 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21905] screen & nfs Message-ID: I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 after reading that NFS is very broken for cross-platform mounting in <=2.2.14. When I recompiled the kernel I turned on unix98 PTY's and support for /dev/pts. Now when I run screen it gives me an error telling me that I need to be connected to a terminal. A who shows me logged in on tty2. If I su to root and run screen it works fine, no complaints. Screen is SUID on this box though. What's it's problem? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sun Oct 1 13:56:07 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> <39D69386.1093CE6D@tcfreenet.org> <39D69E81.66CFAF06@uswest.net> <39D6AC87.E769DEBE@tcfreenet.org> <39D6BD17.FC966579@uswest.net> <39D6CD70.34A29C89@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D788C7.D3799037@uswest.net> Yes, Caldera is RPM based. You may not know it, but they were the original developers of RPM, in partnership with Redhat. Dave Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > match. Would I use it to run a server? Probably not. But this is my > > They have eServer for that. ;) Is Caldera RPM based? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sun Oct 1 13:58:07 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837]Yourguys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: Message-ID: <39D7893F.29E37FC7@uswest.net> Thanks for the info. I was just starting to look at those options myself, so I am glad to have someone confirm them. I was doing everything as root, but I could certainly try your idea, simply su-ing to root for the compile portion of the job. Dave Michael Vieths wrote: > > Possibly an odd question, but did you rerun ldconfig and/or check to see > if libxpm was in a path it finds (/etc/ld.so.conf in Slackware, at least). > There should be a line that says /usr/X11R6/lib. > > Another issue might be who you're compiling it as. If you're doing it as > root, try logging in as your normal user account, do the configure and > make, then su to root and make install. libXpm might be in your path, but > not root's. > > If those fail, try configure with these options: > > --with-xpm-includes=DIR > --with-xpm-library=DIR > --with-xpm > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Yes, I suspected this might be an issue, and made a couple of soft links > > from the actual library files (in /usr/X11R6/something) to /usr/lib. > > Perhaps I overlooked something -- I will take a close look on Sunday > > afternoon, if I have the time. > > > > Dave > > > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bradyh at bitstream.net Sun Oct 1 15:09:57 2000 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D586CE.4E353424@tcfreenet.org> References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001001145817.00a5b100@mail.bitstream.net> >Nick B wrote: > > > > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > > The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. > > ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 > >Why does this sound like spam to me? Ahem. Anyway. > >Afterstep baby! > >http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/th33m.jpg I've been using Helix-Gnome lately and I've been very happy with it. It was incredibly easy to install and it looks great. I switched from Enlightenment to Sawfish and I've been fairly happy with that too. Sawfish has a few quirks but I'm sure it will be straightened out before long. As I see it there aren't any huge differences between Gnome and KDE but KDE looks too much like the Mac and my perception is that Gnome is the "geekier" of the two so I'm all over that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something really stupid." - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada") --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 1 15:44:12 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21909] XMPS? (DivX ;-) on Linux) Message-ID: <39D7A21C.105507B6@tc.umn.edu> I'm curious if anyone has seen what happened to the XMPS project (basically a rip-off of XMMS doing video instead of audio). They were the ones that seemed to have the best luck getting DivX ;-) (the codec, not the disc) going under Linux. Of course, it was through a convoluted process involving running Wine on the Windows DLLs, but it (sort of) worked. Anyway, the site where it used to be [http://www-eleves.enst-bretagne.fr/~chavarri/xmps/] has been non-existant for quite a while... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Clarvoiants meeting / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ canceled due to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) unforseen events. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Oct 1 16:13:08 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:37:51PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001001161308.A65247@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Why start one when there already is one? Mike Horwath runs one through his domain, geeks.org. You can send email to freebsd-users-request@geeks.org with help as the body to figure out how to subscribe (it's a mailman administered list - I don't know how to subscribe to them off the top of my head). You can also prolly find more info at www.geeks.org. Gabe On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:37:51PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > > > Do any of you know it well? I have some questions. > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Oct 1 16:14:37 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <39D6C279.FEEDB3@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:50:01PM -0500 References: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> <20000930015607.E23309@wookimus.net> <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org> <20000930094941.B60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D6C279.FEEDB3@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001001161437.B65247@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Yes, NSD. If you've never used IRIX, it's an uber-daemon that handles NIS,DNS, and other network related daemons. If you do a chkconfig --list rhnsd on RH7 you'll see it there. I haven't read any docs on it yet. Gabe On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:50:01PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Yeah, but IRIX had it first. RedHAt copied it. Also, if any one noticed, > > I see RedHat has also copied NSD from IRIX. Interesting... > > NSD? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Oct 1 16:18:57 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21905] screen & nfs In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 12:18:02PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001001161857.C65247@sorry.cs.umn.edu> What are the perms on your tty* devices? Screen is always installed SUID, IIRC. Gabe On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 12:18:02PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 after reading that NFS is very broken for > cross-platform mounting in <=2.2.14. When I recompiled the kernel I > turned on unix98 PTY's and support for /dev/pts. Now when I run screen it > gives me an error telling me that I need to be connected to a terminal. A > who shows me logged in on tty2. If I su to root and run screen it works > fine, no complaints. Screen is SUID on this box though. > > What's it's problem? > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 1 17:07:36 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21905] screen & nfs In-Reply-To: <20001001161857.C65247@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Who: adam tty2 - 1:28pm 3:56m 1.09s 0.02s sh /usr/X11R6/ ls -l /dev/tty?: crw------- 1 adam staff 4, 0 Jan 14 2000 /dev/tty0 crw--w--w- 1 root root 4, 1 Oct 1 13:28 /dev/tty1 crwx-w---- 1 adam tty 4, 2 Oct 1 13:29 /dev/tty2 crw--w--w- 1 root root 4, 3 Oct 1 13:28 /dev/tty3 crw--w--w- 1 root root 4, 4 Oct 1 13:28 /dev/tty4 crw--w--w- 1 root root 4, 5 Oct 1 13:28 /dev/tty5 crw--w--w- 1 root root 4, 6 Oct 1 13:28 /dev/tty6 crw-rw-rw- 1 adam staff 4, 7 Jul 17 1994 /dev/tty7 crw-rw-rw- 1 adam staff 4, 8 Jul 17 1994 /dev/tty8 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 9 Jul 18 1994 /dev/tty9 But aren't I supposed to be using ptyX now anyways? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > What are the perms on your tty* devices? > > Screen is always installed SUID, IIRC. > > Gabe > > On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 12:18:02PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 after reading that NFS is very broken for > > cross-platform mounting in <=2.2.14. When I recompiled the kernel I > > turned on unix98 PTY's and support for /dev/pts. Now when I run screen it > > gives me an error telling me that I need to be connected to a terminal. A > > who shows me logged in on tty2. If I su to root and run screen it works > > fine, no complaints. Screen is SUID on this box though. > > > > What's it's problem? > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sun Oct 1 20:07:36 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD References: <20001001161308.A65247@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001401c02c0d$26eae860$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Go to this site and subscribe. http://mailman.Geeks.ORG/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD > Why start one when there already is one? Mike Horwath runs one through his > domain, geeks.org. You can send email to freebsd-users-request@geeks.org > with help as the body to figure out how to subscribe (it's a mailman > administered list - I don't know how to subscribe to them off the > top of my head). You can also prolly find more info at www.geeks.org. > > Gabe > > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:37:51PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > > > > > Do any of you know it well? I have some questions. > > > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sun Oct 1 20:11:18 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD References: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> <39D6BB8A.6708F841@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <002101c02c0d$ab0c9760$0100a8c0@veldy.net> > Dare we make a BSD arm of TCLUG? Opening up TCLUG to all open source > unixish OS's might be... worthwhile. But starting infighting would be > bad... > I am sure that we all (or most) are mature enough here to handle it. I am a BSD advocate - and have been for a couple of years. My firewall is [still] running FreeBSD (4.1.1 currently). I have been meaning to move it over to Linux for JDK1.3.0 support - but I haven't found a distribution that comes close to meet my needs/desires/quirks. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Sun Oct 1 20:44:32 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21916] Ultra 160 SCSI / U2W compatability Message-ID: Shopping for a new SCSI drive has me a bit confused, since vendors have multiple drives from the save vendor at pretty similar prices -- Only $20 difference between 7200 RPM U2W (DPSS-318350) and 10000 RPM Ultra 160 (DDVS-T18350) 18G IBM drives. I am intending to put this in a system that has a U2W controller and 2 other U2W drives. Can someone verify for me that Ultra 160 SCSI drives will fall back and perform happily on an Ultra 2 wide controller? Of course I welcome any additional comments on these drives in particular. Thanks, Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Sun Oct 1 21:33:26 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 09:11:23PM -0500 References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001001213326.C5917@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 09:11:23PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > I use Gnome/Enlightenment at home so I can show off the > blinky-whoop-de-sh*t to non-linux users, but I like fvwm2. twm was > starting to grow on me also. go fvwm2! I've started playing with the xfce environment lately (and its WM, xfwm); and I must say I like it. it has a CDE-like panel, and a very Windows-ish feel in the buttons and keybindings (which isn't entirely a bad thing, tho not my personal choice). I use fvwm2 because: a. it's lightweight. on my P166/48M box, E was thrashing terribly, but fvwm2 causes no such problems. b. it's reliable. yeah, there's a bug or two in it; but unlike GNOME/E (at least for me) it doesn't crash on a regular basis. c. I like the way I can customize the buttons and keybindings. I'm sure I could do that to some other WMs as well, and possibly more easily; but I've got it set up to where I like it, and I see no reason to change now that everything works for me. :) d. I like being perverse at times. :) I really like some of the things that other WMs have (shapeable window borders, theme engines, and nifty dock apps); but I don't miss them emough to want to change right now. :) Window managers are some of the most personal choices that anyone does to their system; and one of the huge advantages of X over MS Windows. Many people also see the variety as a downfall of Linux, because it's hard for newbies to choose the right one for them, and it's virtually impossible to do idiot-level support for all the window managers out there (things like 'move your cursor down to the Start button...'). Some would say that in order to 'win the desktop war', we have to standardize on one WM/environment. Personally, I think that if that's what must be done, I don't want to 'win' the war. Help people come up to our level if they will; rather than drag us all down to their level and use one manager/environment that's "Good Enough" for most of us. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gone2pot at ispchannel.com Sun Oct 1 21:49:10 2000 From: gone2pot at ispchannel.com (Ken Russell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21918] windows fdisk crash-can't recover windows Message-ID: <39D7F7A5.899EA5F1@ispchannel.com> Ben, I'm an ultra newbie. Brain dead moron of a newbie, but I have gone through what you're going through about a million times. If you can, try to re-install Linux using EXPERT mode. I know what you're thinking, just flow with me for a second because it works for me EVERY time and I've had the exact same messages you've had trying to reinstall Doze. When you get to the disk partitioning section, pick 1 Meg for the swap file, about 11Meg for the "/" and for the rest of the drive, select FAT32 or DOS partition or whatever the Linux install partitioning hoodingus allows. I usually pick the grow-the-disk-to-max selection. When it comes to selection of what you want to install, select the individual package switch. Mandrake 7.0 will let you select/deselect as many packages as you want. DESELECT EVERYTHING except the kernel (follow your nose through the package lists and you'll find Kernel as a choice. Select YES to formatting and fixing bad blocks. Let her rip until it's finished installing. When it gets to the end and the reboot stuff, let it reboot, log in as root then type halt. Stick your Doze CD in the drive. Turn that Sony back on (then maybe quickly stick the Doze CD in). F2 to BIOS and select auto config for your hdd and select boot from the CD for your boot sequencing. At the start, select start with CD ROM support and you should get a C: and sometimes, I get an A: prompt with what's left of the drive. Run FDISK from the CD and you should be able to regroup and at least make a primary partition. Try to reinstall Doze even if all you have is the A: drive it will reformat it and after THAT format, you should get your MBR and be able to rerun fdisk to get the whole drive (less the tiny Linux partitions) back to reinstall Doze. It's bizarre and pretty ridiculous sounding but it's worked for me quite a few million times. Blanket apologies if it doesn't work, but shoot before you spend a few hundred bucks, at least give it a try. Ken Russell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Oct 1 22:24:55 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: <39D6BB8A.6708F841@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:20:26PM -0500 References: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> <39D6BB8A.6708F841@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001001222455.H23309@wookimus.net> On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:20:26PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Dare we make a BSD arm of TCLUG? Opening up TCLUG to all open source > unixish OS's might be... worthwhile. But starting infighting would > be bad... Dare we say, TC-BUG. He he. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Opening up TCLUG to all open source > > unixish OS's might be... worthwhile. But starting infighting would > > be bad... > > Dare we say, TC-BUG. He he. > I'd be happy to host seperate lists for BSD, TCBSD? I think we would need to do a poll to see how the TCLUG would like to deal with BSD, other open OSs on this list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Oct 1 23:49:55 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: <20001001233628.E31981@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 11:36:28PM -0500 References: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> <39D6BB8A.6708F841@tcfreenet.org> <20001001222455.H23309@wookimus.net> <20001001233628.E31981@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001001234955.A22919@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 11:36:28PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting ^chewie (chewie@wookimus.net): >I think we would need to do a poll to see how the TCLUG would like to deal with >BSD, other open OSs on this list. Anything open should be allowed on the list. Anything windows (unless it's samba related is not) and perpetrators must refermat thier HDD and install windows. hehe -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Oct 2 00:37:59 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe References: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> <39D6BB8A.6708F841@tcfreenet.org> <20001001222455.H23309@wookimus.net> <20001001233628.E31981@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39D81F37.E9BA7A1E@tcfreenet.org> > I'd be happy to host seperate lists for BSD, TCBSD? > > I think we would need to do a poll to see how the TCLUG would like to deal with > BSD, other open OSs on this list. I don't like the idea of reading a lot of very BSD specific stuff on a linux list. But still there's a lot of overlap in user space... I have yet to get around to playing with any BSD yet so... whatever. Heh. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 06:57:00 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21905] screen & nfs In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 05:07:36PM -0500 References: <20001001161857.C65247@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001002065700.A66409@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > But aren't I supposed to be using ptyX now anyways? > *shrug* You're the one who said you were on tty2. From those perms it sure looks like you are. Gabe > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > What are the perms on your tty* devices? > > > > Screen is always installed SUID, IIRC. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 12:18:02PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 after reading that NFS is very broken for > > > cross-platform mounting in <=2.2.14. When I recompiled the kernel I > > > turned on unix98 PTY's and support for /dev/pts. Now when I run screen it > > > gives me an error telling me that I need to be connected to a terminal. A > > > who shows me logged in on tty2. If I su to root and run screen it works > > > fine, no complaints. Screen is SUID on this box though. > > > > > > What's it's problem? > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 07:00:26 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21916] Ultra 160 SCSI / U2W compatability In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:44:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001002070026.C66409@sorry.cs.umn.edu> They should. Hell, it should work on a 5 MB/s SCSI-I controller if the manufacturer stuck to the SCSI spec. Gabe On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:44:32PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Shopping for a new SCSI drive has me a bit confused, since vendors have > multiple drives from the save vendor at pretty similar prices -- Only $20 > difference between 7200 RPM U2W (DPSS-318350) and 10000 RPM Ultra 160 > (DDVS-T18350) 18G IBM drives. I am intending to put this in a system that > has a U2W controller and 2 other U2W drives. > > Can someone verify for me that Ultra 160 SCSI drives will fall back and > perform happily on an Ultra 2 wide controller? Of course I welcome any > additional comments on these drives in particular. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 2 07:32:18 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations References: <02ee01c02a56$75085bd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Message-ID: <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com> I came home last night to a dead motherboard. Terribly sad. Now I have to upgrade!!! Anyone have any recommendations? I would like to get something this week so possibly I need to purchase locally. At any rate, I want to keep my hard drives, sound, video, and ethernet cards. I guess I'm looking for a motherboard, with processor and memory installed in a new case (my current case is circa 1990, and it doubles as my helicopter landing pad...). Case: Midtower w/ accessible bays for 2 CD drives and a floppy CPU: Something in the 650Mhz or better range Memory: 128Mb or better Mainboard: I don't need any ISA slots, all PCI is good. I want an AGP port and good USB support... Anyone have recommendations about what works well with Linux, and where to buy it. This system will never run Windows (or CPM, or other legacy OS's)... Whoo Hoo!!! A new toy^H^H^Hcomputer system! Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 2 07:38:33 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever References: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39D881C9.88B4AB49@structural-wood.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Picked this up aff loki.misc: > > ---- > > One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT > is superior to > any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. > > I would have told the co-worker that NT is so incredible it can turn his whole computer into a dinsosaur... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 07:48:28 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 07:32:18AM -0500 References: <02ee01c02a56$75085bd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001002074828.E66409@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, I've been boycotting Intel for a long while, so I recommend an Athlon. A 600 mHz one is only around $100 or so. ASUS mobo's are top of the line and I've had great experience with their Athlon mobos. RAM is, well, RAM. I've never had a problem with the cheap, generic stuff. As far as cases go, I used to be totally sold on Inwin cases (I have a Q500A full-tower), but if you want a _really_ kickass case, go with a SuperMicro. I swear they make the sturdiest, coolest cases. I expecially like their 760. It's designed for a dual Xeon system, so with a little ATX mobo and a single CPU, there is plenty of room to move around in it. Though, once again, it's a full-tower case (which I prefer - I don't know much about mid-towers). Though, for what it's worth, my next machine will be a dual G4 Mac, so I can't really be relied on to be up-to-date on PC tech :). Gabe On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 07:32:18AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I came home last night to a dead motherboard. Terribly sad. > Now I have to upgrade!!! > > Anyone have any recommendations? I would like to get something > this week so possibly I need to purchase locally. > > At any rate, I want to keep my hard drives, sound, video, and ethernet cards. > I guess I'm looking for a motherboard, with processor and memory installed > in a new case (my current case is circa 1990, and it doubles as > my helicopter landing pad...). > > Case: Midtower w/ accessible bays for 2 CD drives and a floppy > > CPU: Something in the 650Mhz or better range > > Memory: 128Mb or better > > Mainboard: I don't need any ISA slots, all PCI is good. I want an AGP port > and good USB support... > > Anyone have recommendations about what works well with Linux, and where to > buy it. This system will never run Windows (or CPM, or other legacy OS's)... > > Whoo Hoo!!! A new toy^H^H^Hcomputer system! > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhallgren at abaton.com Mon Oct 2 08:09:07 2000 From: jhallgren at abaton.com (Jeff Hallgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations References: <02ee01c02a56$75085bd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <39D888F3.9D6A5C20@abaton.com> Hey Kent, Tom's Hardware Guide: Mainboard Guide - Socket A Is Coming: Test of 10 Boards http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q3/000919/index.html get the pieces locally at: http://www.nanosys1.com/ or http://www.tranmicro.com/ Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Anyone have any recommendations? I would like to get something > this week so possibly I need to purchase locally. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Oct 2 06:41:07 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21916] Ultra 160 SCSI / U2W compatability Message-ID: <0G1S000PXX6KUN@mail1.supervalu.com> Yes, of course. SCSI is both backwards and forwards compatible, just like IDE is. Nick -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 2 08:29:07 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D62C6F.4D0F883C@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D88DA3.DD86BD4B@structural-wood.com> I use fvwm2 at work, gnome at home. When I setup a newbie Windows convert I give the KDE. Running any app on any window manager works fine, and there is so little real difference between the different widget sets who can really care? I run gnome apps, kde apps, raw X apps, CDE apps. What difference does it make? Nick B wrote: > > (I hate to sound like I'm spamming, but...) > > Tryout KDE 2.0. Its probably one of the coolest GUI's I've ever ran > across. Not much competes with it. > > /me kills Gnome after seeing its horad GTK widgets > > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Up until now, I've been running kde 1 and it works fine. But I'm > > thinking of switching to AfterStep. I know I will lose some of the > > "integrated desktop" functionality, but I really don't use it much > > anyway -- most of my work is done in an xterm. > > > > Any opinions on full desktop environs vs. "plain" window managers? > > > > Dave > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > Hands down: Fvwm2. Windowmaker comws in a close second. > > > > > > Gabe > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 2 08:42:00 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: I'm also going to recomend the Athlon route, on an Asus board. you can pickup a Duron 600/board/fan for around $200 from www.vikingcomputers.net or from general nanosystems, or tran micro. tho you may want to go for a full blown tbird system.. don't go super cheap on the ram.. get some nicer PC133 ram.. it's only 20-30$ more (at 128mb) and you'll get a much more stable system. i've had lots of random segfault problems when a board and ram don't mix well.. www.1stchoicememory.com is good about matching ram to boards.. just email them what board you have (or are getting) and they will match it to correct memory timings. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I came home last night to a dead motherboard. Terribly sad. > Now I have to upgrade!!! > > Anyone have any recommendations? I would like to get something > this week so possibly I need to purchase locally. > > At any rate, I want to keep my hard drives, sound, video, and ethernet cards. > I guess I'm looking for a motherboard, with processor and memory installed > in a new case (my current case is circa 1990, and it doubles as > my helicopter landing pad...). > > Case: Midtower w/ accessible bays for 2 CD drives and a floppy > > CPU: Something in the 650Mhz or better range > > Memory: 128Mb or better > > Mainboard: I don't need any ISA slots, all PCI is good. I want an AGP port > and good USB support... > > Anyone have recommendations about what works well with Linux, and where to > buy it. This system will never run Windows (or CPM, or other legacy OS's)... > > Whoo Hoo!!! A new toy^H^H^Hcomputer system! > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From escargo at anubis.network.com Mon Oct 2 09:04:45 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM Message-ID: <200010021404.JAA29315@rainier.network.com> I am using XFCE. I have also used Blackbox, and I probably will again once I figure out better how to configure my dialup connections. dsc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 2 09:06:53 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations References: Message-ID: <39D8967D.6E699CDB@ltiflex.com> I picked up a MSI board with a AMD Athlon 700. The board is very solid, and I haven't had any issues running the ram from my old system (pc-100) on it. This board does have onboard sound, but it's easily disabled (compated to my vortex-2, the onboard sound is a bit of an imporvment.) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 2 09:07:22 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 07:32:18AM -0500 References: <02ee01c02a56$75085bd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001002090722.G28945@ringworld.org> * Kent Schumacher [001002 07:33]: > Case: Midtower w/ accessible bays for 2 CD drives and a floppy Either enlight or inwin. > CPU: Something in the 650Mhz or better range Athlon Socket A 700. > Memory: 128Mb or better 128mb of pc133. > Mainboard: I don't need any ISA slots, all PCI is good. I want an AGP port > and good USB support... Microstar's Socket A mobo is really awesome. Not only does it have diagnostic leds ( a set of four) it has two usb root hubs (so if you buy a case with a connector on the front for usb, you can hook it to the motherboard. The mobo has a ton of PCI slots. Also, be sure to upgrade the bios as soon as you get it. Theres a couple fixes youll want (ie: nvidia card fixes) Ask Andy Zbikowski about the microstar... if you need mroe info -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Its just a farking hardware clock that comes back and tells the cpu, "hey there, could you, uh, wait, were not quite ready yet over here." Its a performance thing, your cpu might have to wait cycles sometimes. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Seems Creative has bought up Aureal. http://www.vortexofsound.com/news.htm If they don't support the old cards, hopefully they'll be kind enough to at least release the specs, then again they might want to make sure the Live doesn't have any competitiors. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 2 09:19:53 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21936] Aureal In-Reply-To: <39D89883.44F19DBE@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: yes.. i heard something about creative buying aureal up.. I'm still waiting for the driver source to get released. and then maybe I can put my V2 superqaud back in my linux box. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Owners of Aureal cards, there may still be hope. Seems Creative has bought > up Aureal. > > http://www.vortexofsound.com/news.htm > > If they don't support the old cards, hopefully they'll be kind enough to at > least release the specs, then again they might want to make sure the Live > doesn't have any competitiors. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 2 09:27:18 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations References: <02ee01c02a56$75085bd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> <39D88052.33FC42BA@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <39D89B46.D2B4D0F1@innominatus.com> I just ordered an MSI 694D Pro. (Didnt want to wait for the ABIT VP6) Since I havent installed it yet I cant make a recommendation based on personal experiance but only the specs and Tomshardware review. http://tw.msi.com.tw/showroom/mainboard/eng/694dpro.htm http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q3/000911/index.html It has some pretty impressive specs. Dual Processors up to 2gb ram 4 ATA/66 drives 4 ATA/100 drives no ISA 5 PCI/1AGP/1CNR 4 USB! 2 Firewire! Onboard sound that can be disabled if you get the -AR version the ATA/100 is also a RAID controller. (no linux support for this promise raid controller yet!) This board has alot of stuff going for it. Toms hardware did a review of it and it faired pretty well. I ordered this and a PIII 850 I hope to clock atleast to a Gig. Then I can just add another PIII850 later on. Kent Schumacher wrote: > I came home last night to a dead motherboard. Terribly sad. > Now I have to upgrade!!! > > Anyone have any recommendations? I would like to get something > this week so possibly I need to purchase locally. > > At any rate, I want to keep my hard drives, sound, video, and ethernet cards. > I guess I'm looking for a motherboard, with processor and memory installed > in a new case (my current case is circa 1990, and it doubles as > my helicopter landing pad...). > > Case: Midtower w/ accessible bays for 2 CD drives and a floppy > > CPU: Something in the 650Mhz or better range > > Memory: 128Mb or better > > Mainboard: I don't need any ISA slots, all PCI is good. I want an AGP port > and good USB support... > > Anyone have recommendations about what works well with Linux, and where to > buy it. This system will never run Windows (or CPM, or other legacy OS's)... > > Whoo Hoo!!! A new toy^H^H^Hcomputer system! > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 09:29:50 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. > ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 I use WindowMaker to manage xterms. (Well, actually, transparent/shaded aterms.. same diff, though.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 2 09:42:52 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21936] Aureal In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 09:19:53AM -0500 References: <39D89883.44F19DBE@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001002094252.J23309@wookimus.net> On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 09:19:53AM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > yes.. i heard something about creative buying aureal up.. I'm still > waiting for the driver source to get released. and then maybe I can put > my V2 superqaud back in my linux box. Well, after Ben bought his Aureal for his Windoze DVD player (which has since been replaced with a real DVD player, IIRC), I just had to have this cool new card (relatively new at the time). I knew it had Linux drivers so OSS would work. Imagine my heart break when I heard that Aureal was filing Chapter 11?! *sigh* At the time, I needed drivers for the 2.4 series of kernels, so I dug around and found a useful site. It seems that some avid Aureal users have taken up the flag of supporting the drivers on their own! I hope to see these brave souls receive support from Creative in the future: SourceForge: Linux Aureal Driver Project Site: https://sourceforge.net/projects/aureal/ Home Page: http://aureal.sourceforge.net Downloads: https://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=8109 -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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OK. New poll on the website. Please take a second to vote. http://www.mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 10:29:11 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > The problem is, there's no way to choose more than one, say, the first and > the last items. Then take the obvious, and choose the last one! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Oct 2 10:25:58 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: <970499308.39d8a4eccaa44@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: > > I think we would need to do a poll to see how the TCLUG would like to > > deal with > > BSD, other open OSs on this list. > > OK. New poll on the website. Please take a second to vote. > http://www.mn-linux.org The problem is, there's no way to choose more than one, say, the first and the last items. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 10:33:36 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <970500816.39d8aad07ef54@www.fandre.com> Quoting andy@theasis.com: http://www.mn-linux.org > > The problem is, there's no way to choose more than one, say, the first > and > the last items. Vote twice, I guess. (Remove the cookie or use another machine) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 10:33:06 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe References: <970500816.39d8aad07ef54@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <004b01c02c86$11031b70$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Or log in as another user? You can create as many as you like. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Clay Fandre To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe > Quoting andy@theasis.com: > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > The problem is, there's no way to choose more than one, say, the first > > and > > the last items. > > Vote twice, I guess. (Remove the cookie or use another machine) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 10:41:35 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: <004b01c02c86$11031b70$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> References: <970500816.39d8aad07ef54@www.fandre.com> <004b01c02c86$11031b70$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <970501295.39d8acafcaa45@www.fandre.com> Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" : > Or log in as another user? You can create as many as you like. > But let's not abuse this, or I will have to start keeping track of the IP you vote from. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 10:51:40 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe References: <970500816.39d8aad07ef54@www.fandre.com> <004b01c02c86$11031b70$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <970501295.39d8acafcaa45@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <000c01c02c88$a973d910$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Use dial-up :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe > Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" : > > > Or log in as another user? You can create as many as you like. > > > > But let's not abuse this, or I will have to start keeping track of the IP you > vote from. ;-) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 2 10:48:55 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 09:29:50AM -0500 References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001002104855.B14978@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 09:29:50AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > I use WindowMaker to manage xterms. (Well, actually, transparent/shaded > aterms.. same diff, though.) Performance-wise, how does aterm compare to Eterm for doing the transparent/ shade bit? That's basically how I run my Eterms (transparent, 50% shading), but when the root window changes, it takes a couple seconds for all the Eterms to update. (0.9.x is a vast improvement over 0.8.x WRT updating, though...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at popmail.com Mon Oct 2 11:00:33 2000 From: lxy at popmail.com (lxy@popmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21869] odd console message Message-ID: > Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > > Brian wrote: > > > > > > I'm consistently getting a message on the console that's really bugging > > > me. Every so often, it prints 'hdd: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 128K Cache'. > > > There's no error, and I haven't noticed any problems with the drive. I'm > > > running RH 7.0, but it was doing it on Pinstripe also. Any ideas?? > > > > Sounds like auto module loading. You using an evil automounter or > > something? I believe I'm running supermount. By using the word 'evil' to describe it, I can guess what what your thoughts are on it :-). I'm considering disabling it just because I can pop in a CD and if it's in a good mood, and the temperature's right, and pluto is lined up perfectly with our moon and the sun, it will autoload. It refuses to dismount, which I don't know if that's by design or related to the above conditions. I like the idea of an automounter, are there any out there that actually work as documented? :-) .................................... Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 11:06:12 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: <970501295.39d8acafcaa45@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Or log in as another user? You can create as many as you like. > > > > But let's not abuse this, or I will have to start keeping track of the IP you > vote from. ;-) Ah, but what about those of us who have access to many many many IP's on unique networks? :P -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 11:06:52 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <20001002104855.B14978@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Performance-wise, how does aterm compare to Eterm for doing the transparent/ > shade bit? That's basically how I run my Eterms (transparent, 50% shading), > but when the root window changes, it takes a couple seconds for all the > Eterms to update. (0.9.x is a vast improvement over 0.8.x WRT updating, > though...) I switched from Eterm to aterm because it's a helluva lot quicker, and a helluva lot leaner (about the same footprint as a xterm with no special fun stuff) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 11:25:58 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21920] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21919] TCBUG...hehe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <970503958.39d8b716f1b43@www.fandre.com> Quoting Nate Carlson : > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Or log in as another user? You can create as many as you like. > > > > > > > But let's not abuse this, or I will have to start keeping track of the > IP you > > vote from. ;-) > > Ah, but what about those of us who have access to many many many IP's on > unique networks? :P Fine. I am going to make everyone log in to vote. Happy? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 2 11:22:33 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations References: <39D8967D.6E699CDB@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39D8B649.4E2BA638@structural-wood.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > I picked up a MSI board with a AMD Athlon 700. The board is very solid, and > I haven't had any issues running the ram from my old system (pc-100) on it. > This board does have onboard sound, but it's easily disabled (compated to my > vortex-2, the onboard sound is a bit of an imporvment.) > Is this the MS-6195 Pro, or the MS-6330 K7TPRO? BTW: Thanks everyone for all the responses... Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 11:33:59 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21954] No more RH on sparc Message-ID: <970504439.39d8b8f730d57@www.fandre.com> So how many of you are running RH on sparc hardware? Good thing I switched to debian-sparc last month. :-) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/02/1216219&mode=thread --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 2 11:54:16 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21925] New mainboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <39D8B649.4E2BA638@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 11:22:33AM -0500 References: <39D8967D.6E699CDB@ltiflex.com> <39D8B649.4E2BA638@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001002115415.I28945@ringworld.org> * Kent Schumacher [001002 11:24]: > Is this the MS-6195 Pro, or the MS-6330 K7TPRO? 6330, the one at general nanosystems. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Last i checked, i was not an idiot :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 2 11:57:08 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21956] Ben is idiot In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 11:55:34AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001002115708.J28945@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [001002 11:55]: > I'd just like to say, for the record, that when calling ben an idiot.. you > should be specific to which ben. Last i checked, i was not an idiot :) So sure of yourself how do you know if your an idiot if your too confident to know otherwise? Or what? ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Except one) I added this link to the poll a little late. http://archives.real-time.com/tclug-list/2000/Sep/msg00907.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Oct 2 12:08:44 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21956] Ben is idiot References: <970506260.39d8c014aae78@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39D8C11C.917332DD@mn.uswest.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Quoting Ben Kochie : > > > I'd just like to say, for the record, that when calling ben an idiot.. > > you > > should be specific to which ben. Last i checked, i was not an idiot :) Taking this non-Linux thread further: Now is it your considered opinion that Ben is a general idiot across all subject lines or just in specific areas? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 12:49:23 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21956] Ben is idiot In-Reply-To: <39D8C11C.917332DD@mn.uswest.net> References: <970506260.39d8c014aae78@www.fandre.com> <39D8C11C.917332DD@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <970508963.39d8caa353035@www.fandre.com> Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > Taking this non-Linux thread further: > > Now is it your considered opinion that Ben is a general idiot across all > subject lines or just in specific areas? Sounds like a new web-poll to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Oct 2 13:19:23 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21869] odd console message References: Message-ID: <39D8D1AB.CC774C5C@tcfreenet.org> > I believe I'm running supermount. By using the word 'evil' to describe it, I > can guess what what your thoughts are on it :-). I'm considering disabling it > just because I can pop in a CD and if it's in a good mood, and the > temperature's right, and pluto is lined up perfectly with our moon and the sun, > it will autoload. It refuses to dismount, which I don't know if that's by design > or related to the above conditions. I like the idea of an automounter, are there > any out there that actually work as documented? :-) Supermount is nice when it works, but half the time it just seems to hang refusing to mount or unmount. :P Anyway, I like autofs, the kernel one. ;) Set it up and symlink /mnt/cdrom* floppy etc over to /misc whatever. Heck, set it up to auto NFS mount cdrom2, cdrom3, cdrom4 etc from other machines in the house... ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Oct 2 13:20:24 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21936] Aureal References: <39D89883.44F19DBE@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39D8D1E8.9AFD2C40@tcfreenet.org> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Owners of Aureal cards, there may still be hope. Seems Creative has bought > up Aureal. > > http://www.vortexofsound.com/news.htm > > If they don't support the old cards, hopefully they'll be kind enough to at > least release the specs, then again they might want to make sure the Live > doesn't have any competitiors. Creative doesn't exactly fill me with hope... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Oct 2 14:12:02 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21963] PCI / PCMCIA linkage - the update In-Reply-To: <20000925143349.A14241@real-time.com> References: <00db01c02725$6ce67650$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001002135703.00a28e90@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Here is some interesting info for anyone who followed this thread last week. As you may recall, I have a Toshiba Satellite 105CS notebook with two PCMCIA slots. When I compiled a kernel without PCI support, the PCMCIA on the notebook would die in flames. I had assumed that this notebook had no PCI bus, because in all of the manufacturer's literature there was no mention of a PCI bus. I made the assumption that Toshiba would tend to mention whether or not the unit had a PCI bus; but upon reading the literature, I found no mention of either ISA or PCI busses. So from the manufacturer's literature, you cannot deduce the presence or absence of either type of bus. My assumption of no PCI bus was (I felt) confirmed by the Linux kernel boot messages which said, simply: PCI: No PCI bus detected (or something like this). Seems pretty straightforward. At this point in time, I think it is safe to say that PCMCIA support does not work in any fashion on my Toshiba without PCI support compiled into my kernel, and that PCMCIA is not inherently linked to PCI in the Linux kernel, as the kernel will (apparently) support ISA PCMCIA controllers, with no PCI support available. I would like some verification of this. So my current conclusions are three: 1) My Toshiba notebook has a PCI bus, upon which resides my PCMCIA controller. 2) The Linux kernel is incapable of detecting my Toshiba's PCI bus 3) The Linux kernel's ability to detect the PCI bus in my case is not interfering with the kernel's ability to support a PCMCIA controller on that bus. I can't say that I really like any of these conclusions, especially #2 & #3. Anyone have a better answer or answers? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cleyda at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 15:18:12 2000 From: cleyda at yahoo.com (Charles Leyda) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21964] Unix S V4 Compiler vs RH linux Message-ID: <20001002201812.7631.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Considering replacing AT&T Unix S v 4 with RH Linux 6.2. Everthing Seems to Work except for some 3rd Party software for UPS and Print Filters that is an ext of the Risch Text Format. The source will not compile and the binary from Unix will not excute. Any Solutions?? chuck leyda Chanhasen Mn Phone 949 1000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 15:24:00 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc Message-ID: <20001002152400.K14394@real-time.com> Ouch! I am hurt. Redhat is not going to support Sparc. This sucks for me, since we have several sparcs running linux. Shouldn't I be able to cd SRPMS and rpm --rebuild *.rpm and get a Sparc 7.0 version? I have not looked, but anyone know how many ExclusiveArch: i386 packages are in 7.0? If I put up a Sparc20, with a couple Gb of disk and 128+ Mb of RAM, are there are any other sparc people who would be willing to help make a Sparc AND Ultra version of RH 7.0? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 15:27:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October Message-ID: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> I asked Clay for approval to post this: Since October starts the time of hibernation, ie many people start to spend more time indoors. Real Time is offering a special deal on DSL to make those long indoor hours more bearable. 640K DSL 6 host subnet No resale $25/month Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list You'll have to be able to get USWorst/Qworst DSL. Sorry. :-( You can send mail to sales@real-time.com for more info. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 15:27:23 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21967] Name resolution not working - solved. Message-ID: <20001002202723.29243.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I sent couple of emails earlier last week about my problem with Mandrake 7.1 and how my name resolution was not working. Anyway, I installed "named" locally and pointed /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 and now it is working. -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 15:34:07 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem Message-ID: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem service. Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc ? Thanks, -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 15:34:12 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc References: <20001002152400.K14394@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00c501c02cb0$20fc0f30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> They probably won't have the architecture dependent patches that purtain to the SPARC processors included in the SRPMS. So ... they may not compile. How about S.U.S.E.? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc > Ouch! I am hurt. Redhat is not going to support Sparc. This sucks for me, since > we have several sparcs running linux. > > Shouldn't I be able to cd SRPMS and rpm --rebuild *.rpm and get a Sparc 7.0 > version? > > I have not looked, but anyone know how many ExclusiveArch: i386 packages are in > 7.0? > > If I put up a Sparc20, with a couple Gb of disk and 128+ Mb of RAM, are there > are any other sparc people who would be willing to help make a Sparc AND Ultra > version of RH 7.0? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Oct 2 15:28:51 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October In-Reply-To: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> Message-ID: DSL only? No deals for ISDN or even dialup?? Andy On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > I asked Clay for approval to post this: > > Since October starts the time of hibernation, ie many people start to spend more > time indoors. Real Time is offering a special deal on DSL to make those long > indoor hours more bearable. > > 640K DSL > 6 host subnet > No resale > $25/month > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > You'll have to be able to get USWorst/Qworst DSL. Sorry. :-( > > You can send mail to sales@real-time.com for more info. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 15:32:37 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October References: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c02caf$eabce200$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> How is latency with real-time? During peak hours? Is it routed PPP? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October > I asked Clay for approval to post this: > > Since October starts the time of hibernation, ie many people start to spend more > time indoors. Real Time is offering a special deal on DSL to make those long > indoor hours more bearable. > > 640K DSL > 6 host subnet > No resale > $25/month > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > You'll have to be able to get USWorst/Qworst DSL. Sorry. :-( > > You can send mail to sales@real-time.com for more info. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 15:39:18 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Your ISP might have limited you. You could log into your router and look to see how you are trained as well. sh int wan0 That should show you how your router is trained. If set to 256/272, then try this: set int wan0 rate down 640 up 272 set int wan0 retrain write reboot Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mandar Vaze" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Hi, > > I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me > a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, > they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K > earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people > like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. > > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > service. > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc > ? > > Thanks, > -Mandar > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 15:43:06 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc In-Reply-To: <00c501c02cb0$20fc0f30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> References: <20001002152400.K14394@real-time.com> <00c501c02cb0$20fc0f30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <970519386.39d8f35a11182@www.fandre.com> Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" : > They probably won't have the architecture dependent patches that purtain > to > the SPARC processors included in the SRPMS. So ... they may not compile. > How about S.U.S.E.? The sparc-debian distro has been working great for me. Plus you would make (idiot) Ben happy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 2 15:45:15 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October In-Reply-To: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> References: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> Message-ID: <970519515.39d8f3db8b2ed@www.fandre.com> Quoting Bob Tanner : > > Since October starts the time of hibernation, ie many people start to > spend more > time indoors. Real Time is offering a special deal on DSL to make those > long > indoor hours more bearable. > > 640K DSL > 6 host subnet > No resale > $25/month > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > Does this include ISP service? Or is that another $20/month? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 15:44:58 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October References: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> <970519515.39d8f3db8b2ed@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <00f001c02cb1$a210d6e0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I would assume the ISP service IS the $25. The $29.99 for USWest applies separately and too your phoneline. Am I correct? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October > Quoting Bob Tanner : > > > > > Since October starts the time of hibernation, ie many people start to > > spend more > > time indoors. Real Time is offering a special deal on DSL to make those > > long > > indoor hours more bearable. > > > > 640K DSL > > 6 host subnet > > No resale > > $25/month > > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > > > Does this include ISP service? Or is that another $20/month? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 08:24:32 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem Message-ID: <200010021324.IAA22911@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hi all: Mandar Vaze wrote: [snip] > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > service. > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc I don't think TCLUG has one, but there are several available on the web if you look. Here's my mini-mini-HOWTO: 1. install the latest dhcpcd 2. run dhcpcd Good luck, John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 15:52:59 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21977] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October In-Reply-To: <00f001c02cb1$a210d6e0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 03:44:58PM -0500 References: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> <970519515.39d8f3db8b2ed@www.fandre.com> <00f001c02cb1$a210d6e0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001002155259.S14394@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > I would assume the ISP service IS the $25. The $29.99 for USWest applies > separately and too your phoneline. Am I correct? Yes, your USWest charges still apply. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 15:53:56 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21978] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October In-Reply-To: <970519515.39d8f3db8b2ed@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 03:45:15PM -0500 References: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> <970519515.39d8f3db8b2ed@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001002155356.T14394@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Quoting Bob Tanner : > > > > > Since October starts the time of hibernation, ie many people start to > > spend more > > time indoors. Real Time is offering a special deal on DSL to make those > > long > > indoor hours more bearable. > > > > 640K DSL > > 6 host subnet > > No resale > > $25/month > > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > > > Does this include ISP service? Or is that another $20/month? This is just ISP service, you will still need the select or deluxe dsl service from USWest. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 2 15:59:28 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> With cable, are you on Time Warner or Media One? Time Warner seems to be a bit more lax with policies. We have yet to hit a limit on the number of dynamic IPs we can pull down at a time. On the other hand, their dhcp server has been VERY flaky, I'd estimate a 25% uptime. (75% of the time we get an IP no problem, 25% of the time there are issues.) Usually when we have such issues we have to pull the plug on the cable modem and plug it back in. Recently we just gave up on it and went from our public ip's (which were still firewalled, cool stuff dieman) to private IPs. At least our little firewall will always give us an IP. Now we only have to worry about connectivity if the OpenBSD firewall crashes. (Which it does from time to time due to running a devel kernel on it) MediaOne is a bit more strict. You have to call in with you MAC address before you can get a DHCP address (maybe they do this via the web now, dieman?) and you have to pay more money to get more than one IP, which isn't a big deal if you're going to firewall yourself off from the rest of the world anyway. RoadRunner's service is maturing, so they've been chaing routing every now and then. Mostly due to AT&T buying MediaOne. I haven't been really following the routes though, other things on my mind (like Baldur's Gate II...) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 2 16:30:34 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October In-Reply-To: <20001002152718.L14394@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > 6 host subnet > No resale > $25/month > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list A) How about pre-existing Real-Time customers? B) Static IPs? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Mon Oct 2 16:37:51 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21981] so52 starmath hidden feature Message-ID: I spent an hour reading all the help I could find to write an equation in Star Office 5.2. It talks about Using Star Math, but I couldn't find how to get to the feature. Not under any pull down menus in Star Writer, or from the "desktop" or anything. I finally found out that if you go to preferences you can make a keycode load up Star Math and then I went to my doc and pressed the key code and got this very nice equations writing program working. Are there any other hidden features in Star Office that are cool, but totally hidden (quasi-inaccessible)? Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 16:51:14 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October References: Message-ID: <001b01c02cba$e2cd04c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> A six host subnet is static IPs, 6 of them. a /3 block. 8 IPs, one is the network address, one is the broadcast address and the other 6 are host addresses. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October > Hi, > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > 6 host subnet > > No resale > > $25/month > > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > > A) How about pre-existing Real-Time customers? > B) Static IPs? > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 2 17:00:29 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October In-Reply-To: <001b01c02cba$e2cd04c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: /3 should be /29, 255.255.255.248 Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > A six host subnet is static IPs, 6 of them. a /3 block. 8 IPs, one is the > network address, one is the broadcast address and the other 6 are host > addresses. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yaron" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October > > > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > 6 host subnet > > > No resale > > > $25/month > > > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > > > > > A) How about pre-existing Real-Time customers? > > B) Static IPs? > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 17:41:41 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October References: Message-ID: <001701c02cc1$ef4bb3c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Yes, you are correct. I was thinking of it in the reverse bit order. :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October > /3 should be /29, 255.255.255.248 > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > A six host subnet is static IPs, 6 of them. a /3 block. 8 IPs, one is the > > network address, one is the broadcast address and the other 6 are host > > addresses. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yaron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21966] TCLUG DSL deal for October > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > 6 host subnet > > > > No resale > > > > $25/month > > > > Must be subscribed to the TCLUG mailing list > > > > > > > > > A) How about pre-existing Real-Time customers? > > > B) Static IPs? > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Oct 2 18:37:27 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39D91C37.1664ECF4@black-hole.com> Remember, USWorst is now Qwestionable. Mandar Vaze wrote: > Hi, > > I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me > a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, > they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K > earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people > like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. > > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > service. > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc > ? > > Thanks, > -Mandar > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From atebbe at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 18:41:30 2000 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <39D91C37.1664ECF4@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 06:37:27PM -0500 References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D91C37.1664ECF4@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001002184130.U21644@real-time.com> On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 06:37:27PM -0500, BT (tobytoo@black-hole.com) wrote: > Remember, USWorst is now Qwestionable. Qworst just doesn't have the same effect that USWorst did. I like Questionable. > > Mandar Vaze wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me > > a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, > > they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K > > earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people > > like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. > > > > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > > service. > > > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc > > ? > > > > Thanks, > > -Mandar > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Amy Tanner Voice: 612.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 612.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com PGP fingerprint = 67 6C 8F DB B1 7A 8D 41 DC 7B CA 0B 28 1E 67 AD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 19:04:14 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D91C37.1664ECF4@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <001201c02ccd$7718b680$0100a8c0@veldy.net> I had EXTREMELY GOOD service using them with VISI.com. My only problem was that I wanted higher bandwidth than 256K. After I had my Concentrix (XO)/ Covad install initiated, USWest went 640K. Too late for me. That's all right, I am now getting 145 KB/s down 30 KB/s up. I would have stayed with the USWest/VISI.com deal if I would have know about the change. It would be a bit cheaper and the connection was more stable. I am sure the same goes for real-time.com. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Remember, USWorst is now Qwestionable. > > Mandar Vaze wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me > > a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, > > they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K > > earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people > > like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. > > > > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > > service. > > > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc > > ? > > > > Thanks, > > -Mandar > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 19:06:43 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21963] PCI / PCMCIA linkage - the update In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001002135703.00a28e90@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: I can't tell you definitively, but I have a couple of Satellite 100CS, and I think they also want PCI support, i.e., I support your conclusion that you have a PCI buss. Again, I haven't popped the lid far enough to identify controllers and whatnot. Phil M On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > At this point in time, I think it is safe to say that PCMCIA support does > not work in any fashion on my Toshiba without PCI support compiled into my > kernel, and that PCMCIA is not inherently linked to PCI in the Linux > kernel, as the kernel will (apparently) support ISA PCMCIA controllers, > with no PCI support available. I would like some verification of this. > > So my current conclusions are three: > > 1) My Toshiba notebook has a PCI bus, upon which resides my PCMCIA controller. > 2) The Linux kernel is incapable of detecting my Toshiba's PCI bus > 3) The Linux kernel's ability to detect the PCI bus in my case is not > interfering with the kernel's ability to support a PCMCIA controller on > that bus. > > I can't say that I really like any of these conclusions, especially #2 & > #3. Anyone have a better answer or answers? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 19:10:19 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21981] so52 starmath hidden feature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > Are there any other hidden features in Star Office that are cool, but > totally hidden (quasi-inaccessible)? I heard that it's not in the manual, but you can write your equation in LaTeX and actually export the source as a raw ASCII file, and if you're lucky LaTeX will read it fine... :P Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 2 19:46:28 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works there. Thanks for any help, Chris _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 2 20:00:08 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh boy, here they come... Computer Rent-a-hole sells components, but for used kit their prices are pretty bad. University Computers sells components and decently priced systems, but I had a bad experience with them a couple years ago and will never shop there again. I only bought 1 thing (albeit it was a $1000 system) so I may not have gotten the full experience. Sihope used to do business with them but completely stopped, for the same reasons I did. General Nanosystems (nanner b*tches) is good. very good. Tran Micro (don't have a funny name for them yet...) is right next door to Nanners, and they're pretty good too. Mr. Tran is a really cool guy, very intelligent. His family is very nice. IMHO, Nanosys is probably your best bet if you can't shop on-line. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > there. > > > Thanks for any help, > > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Oct 2 20:05:05 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: Andy Zbikowski's message of "Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:59:28 -0500" References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) - no static IPs, may be coming soon though - no services on your machine, or you get booted Advantages to cable modem - much faster I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Oct 2 20:09:07 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Once again I put my vote in for Tran micro, general nanosystems is a bit cheaper at times but with Mr. Tran you get a year warrante and better service. Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 2 20:36:25 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 08:00:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001002203625.M28945@ringworld.org> * Adam Maloney [001002 20:00]: > General Nanosystems (nanner b*tches) is good. very good. If you want *the* cheapest, and the eaisest 'tech parts' I need "blah blah" give it to me now thing. go to nano. If you wanted a warranty, go somewhere else :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001002/ab533844/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 2 21:13:17 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 08:00:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001002211317.M5917@real-time.com> > General Nanosystems (nanner b*tches) is good. very good. > > Tran Micro (don't have a funny name for them yet...) is right next door to > Nanners, and they're pretty good too. Mr. Tran is a really cool guy, very > intelligent. His family is very nice. My impression of General NanoSystems is that the geeks behind the counter are very clueful (putting the prices up on the whiteboard must have been their idea). the management and the clientele worry me, tho. Tran Micro has a very clean, friendly environment, with very competetive prices. They're the place I'd definitely go for components. (in fact I probably will go there, if I ever find a need to upgrade.. I'm much more comfortable driving a distance and paying a few dollars more [which often is rather balanced by not having to pay shipping costs] to do buisness with a Real Live Person and handle Real Goods before I pay for them, than trusting some mail-order company. as always; YMMV, caveat emptor, and don't run with scissors. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Mon Oct 2 21:14:37 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00100221152800.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I don't know what part of the city you live in, but ComputerQuest in St. Paul sells them. I don't know their phone number, but they're right on Payne Ave in St. Paul. On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > there. > > > Thanks for any help, > > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Mon Oct 2 21:19:35 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: Message-ID: <005501c02ce0$6d9bd700$6382e13f@gateway> Go to the library and pick up the latest computer user, they have a buttload of local inexpencive computer shops listed there as well as their prices. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Opp To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > there. > > > Thanks for any help, > > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Mon Oct 2 21:15:56 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. There's a file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this myself and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but until they find out, who cares? On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > Advantages to cable modem > - much faster > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Mon Oct 2 21:30:36 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a freebsd system is /var/db/dhclient.leases This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information on your box, type man dhclient.leases If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. There's a file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this myself and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but until they find out, who cares? On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > Advantages to cable modem > - much faster > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 2 21:47:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 09:30:36PM -0500 References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20001002214701.N28945@ringworld.org> Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a freebsd system > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information on your > box, type man dhclient.leases > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. There's a > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this myself > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but until > they find out, who cares? > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > - much faster > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka ATT) and they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for your MAC address. But, there are ways around that too. =P On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a freebsd = > system > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > >=20 > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information on y= > our > > box, type man dhclient.leases > >=20 > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. Ther= > e's a > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this = > myself > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but= > until > > they find out, who cares?=20 > >=20 > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > >=20 > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > - much faster > > >=20 > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep = > that > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels=20 > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that=20 > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --=20 > > Eric F Crist > > System Administrator > > Ardent-Hacker.net > >=20 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >=20 > > --=20 > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Oct 2 22:02:14 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22002] Redhat 7.x for Sparc Message-ID: Just read this on Slashdot: Update: 10/02 09:43 PM by CT: Bernhard Rosenkraenz wrote in to say "It is true that we will probably not release Red Hat Linux 7.0 for sparc. However, this does NOT mean there won't be a Red Hat Linux 7.1 or 7.2 for sparc. If, at some time, we decide to discontinue commercial sparc support, we will turn Red Hat Linux for sparc into a community effort." So there is hope for RedHat on Sparc. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 2 22:14:45 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22002] Redhat 7.x for Sparc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I seem to remember sparc or alpha support for one of the other redhat versions droping out for a while.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On 2 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > Just read this on Slashdot: > Update: 10/02 09:43 PM by CT: Bernhard Rosenkraenz wrote in to say "It is true that we will probably not release > Red Hat Linux 7.0 for sparc. However, this does NOT mean there won't be a Red Hat Linux 7.1 or 7.2 for sparc. If, at some time, we decide > to discontinue commercial sparc support, we will turn Red Hat Linux for sparc into a community effort." > > So there is hope for RedHat on Sparc. > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Oct 2 22:22:43 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: Eric F Crist's message of "Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:15:56 -0500" References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: Does that work after a reboot too? Still doesn't get me around the services issue though and gives them more reason to kick me when they find out I'm running a web server against they're AUP. Eric F Crist writes: > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. There's a > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this myself > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but until > they find out, who cares? > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > - much faster > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Oct 2 22:31:21 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > there. > > > Thanks for any help, > > > Chris In addition to those already listed, I've had reasonable (read: nothing great, but nothing bad, either) experiences with Que Computers, which has at least 2 locations, one near Eden Prairie Center, the other on Hennepin a few blocks east of Stinson. There's also a new retail store ala CompUSA (based on the looks and their job fair ad) off of Highway 100, next to Burlington Coat Factory. I don't recall the name, but they were near opening a few months back. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 22:40:28 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <002401c02ceb$ac161940$0100a8c0@cascade> That will just get you in trouble. The DHCP server doesn't know about the change you made. It will gladly reassign the IP address to somebody else - and if you are using it - that person won't be happy. Then the AUP might be enforced - and you know where that leads. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric F Crist" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. There's a > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this myself > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but until > they find out, who cares? > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > - much faster > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 2 22:42:15 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> It is not "much faster" than everybody's DSL. :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schewe" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > Advantages to cable modem > - much faster > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep that > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 3 01:05:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22008] Cube Cases? Message-ID: <20001003010542.E27909@real-time.com> Anyone know a manufacturer of cube-style case for intel hardware? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Oct 3 01:06:46 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc In-Reply-To: <970519386.39d8f35a11182@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 03:43:06PM -0500 References: <20001002152400.K14394@real-time.com> <00c501c02cb0$20fc0f30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <970519386.39d8f35a11182@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001003010646.A14013@wookimus.net> On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 03:43:06PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" : > > > They probably won't have the architecture dependent patches that > > purtain to the SPARC processors included in the SRPMS. So ... they > > may not compile. How about S.U.S.E.? > > The sparc-debian distro has been working great for me. Plus you > would make (idiot) Ben happy. He he he... Do I detect a soon-to-be Debian convert? ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm managing the > tclug-list@mn-linux.org mailing list. > > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached > at tclug-list-owner@mn-linux.org. > > Messages to you from the tclug-list mailing list seem to > have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce > message I received. > > If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, > I will remove your address from the tclug-list mailing list, > without further notice. > > I've kept a list of which messages from the tclug-list mailing list have > bounced from your address. > > Here are the message numbers: > > 21393 > > --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. > > Return-Path: <> > Received: (qmail 29153 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 2000 20:58:12 -0000 > Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:58:12 -0000 > From: MAILER-DAEMON@conjurer.real-time.com > To: tclug-list-return-21393-@mn-linux.org > Subject: failure notice > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at conjurer.real-time.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > : > 24.5.238.171 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > Giving up on 24.5.238.171. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 3 01:47:16 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22011] [Fwd: ezmlm warning] In-Reply-To: <39D980FB.3C52FD7@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:47:23AM -0500 References: <39D980FB.3C52FD7@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001003014716.F27909@real-time.com> POsted from addr not sub to list. Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > Okay, I don't understand what the heck this is about. Bob? :) > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org wrote: > > > > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org mailing list. > > > > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached > > at tclug-list-owner@mn-linux.org. > > > > Messages to you from the tclug-list mailing list seem to > > have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce > > message I received. > > > > If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, > > I will remove your address from the tclug-list mailing list, > > without further notice. > > > > I've kept a list of which messages from the tclug-list mailing list have > > bounced from your address. > > > > Here are the message numbers: > > > > 21393 > > > > --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. > > > > Return-Path: <> > > Received: (qmail 29153 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 2000 20:58:12 -0000 > > Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:58:12 -0000 > > From: MAILER-DAEMON@conjurer.real-time.com > > To: tclug-list-return-21393-@mn-linux.org > > Subject: failure notice > > > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at conjurer.real-time.com. > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > > : > > 24.5.238.171 does not like recipient. > > Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > > Giving up on 24.5.238.171. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > _______________________________________________ > Tclug-list mailing list > Tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 3 01:56:53 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00100221184301.00661@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20001002214701.N28945@ringworld.org> <00100221490600.00774@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <39D98335.FED973DC@tcfreenet.org> Eric F Crist wrote: > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka ATT) and > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for your MAC > address. > > But, there are ways around that too. =P Eh. Why piss off your supplier when you don't have to? My lease renews every few weeks or so, but its been the same IP for months. You can find me at xxiii.dyndns.org:9080 ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 3 02:02:37 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <39D9848D.A944F626@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > It is not "much faster" than everybody's DSL. :) Not anymore, it seems... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 3 02:04:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22002] Redhat 7.x for Sparc References: Message-ID: <39D984E2.FD6BD8EC@tcfreenet.org> Ben Kochie wrote: > > I seem to remember sparc or alpha support for one of the other redhat > versions droping out for a while.. MIPS and m68k seem rather dead... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net Tue Oct 3 05:36:07 2000 From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse Message-ID: <005801c02d25$be110440$14b9fed1@e8fse> Hi, I recently installed Slackware 7.1 on an HP Pavilion. I ran the x86fconfig program to set up the video and tried startx. GNOME came up ok but the mouse doesn't work. I don't really know where to start. What things should I be checking for? What's the best way to go about isolating the problem? thanks, stephen From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 3 06:34:24 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <39D9848D.A944F626@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 02:02:37AM -0500 References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> <39D9848D.A944F626@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001003063423.B17229@ringworld.org> > > It is not "much faster" than everybody's DSL. :) > Not anymore, it seems... Yes, but most of your providers aren't sitting on nearly the same resources to get internet connectivity en mass, nor are they creating a fiber network that the telcos have promised for about 3 centuries. ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Their prices were always far too high, anyways, which is why I never saw a customer in their store. General Nanosystems and Tran Micro tend to have similar prices, with Tran Micro ususally edging General Nanosystems out. Additionally, the atmosphere is much better at Tran Micro. Give Tran Micro a vote for me. :) They just opened their new Richfield store, too, its pretty snazzy. Give it a look! Nick foeclan@winternet.com, on 10/02/2000 10:31:21 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > there. > > > Thanks for any help, > > > Chris In addition to those already listed, I've had reasonable (read: nothing great, but nothing bad, either) experiences with Que Computers, which has at least 2 locations, one near Eden Prairie Center, the other on Hennepin a few blocks east of Stinson. There's also a new retail store ala CompUSA (based on the looks and their job fair ad) off of Highway 100, next to Burlington Coat Factory. I don't recall the name, but they were near opening a few months back. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 3 07:27:23 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo References: <0G1U00FIIRI5Z5@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D9D0AB.51681AD9@structural-wood.com> Thanks everyone for yesterdays motherboard advice fest. I ended up at General Nanosystem at 3:58 yesterday, left at 4:17 with a (tested) MicroStar K7T pro, an 800Mhz Athlon TBird, 128Mb PC133, and a nice case. Went home, transferred my drives and other junk, and 45 minutes later I was writing code, answering e-mail, and playing Heavy Gear II at speeds I found astounding. I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net just reported way too many problems with this board. Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. Thanks again, Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 08:05:02 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc References: <20001002152400.K14394@real-time.com> <00c501c02cb0$20fc0f30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <970519386.39d8f35a11182@www.fandre.com> <20001003010646.A14013@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <004201c02d3a$8b5d3b30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I never was a Redhat stooge anyway. I have always preferred Slackware. I like Debian and think it is the most elegant, however, the installer sucks IMO. It just is too much work to get the simple installs done. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "^chewie" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21965] Redhat and Sparc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 08:06:38 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse References: <005801c02d25$be110440$14b9fed1@e8fse> Message-ID: <006001c02d3a$c439a880$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> What device did you use? I am willing to bet you chose the wrong device. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen B Knewtson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:36 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse Hi, I recently installed Slackware 7.1 on an HP Pavilion. I ran the x86fconfig program to set up the video and tried startx. GNOME came up ok but the mouse doesn't work. I don't really know where to start. What things should I be checking for? What's the best way to go about isolating the problem? thanks, stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 08:07:56 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> <39D9848D.A944F626@tcfreenet.org> <20001003063423.B17229@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <007c01c02d3a$f2bf72c0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> XO is well equipted. I checked them out before I went with them. I would have preferred to have this same connectivity through VISI.com though :( Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Oct 3 08:20:02 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse"'s message of "Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:42:15 -0500" References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: Well considering hte fastest DSL I can get is 144k, it should be. The cable companies only seem to be able to figure out how to get 2Mbps down and 640Kbps down. That's still better that most DSL out there. It'd be nice if they could really figure out how to use it and do 5Mbps both ways. My college had that 5 years ago. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > It is not "much faster" than everybody's DSL. :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Schewe" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > - much faster > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep > that > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 3 08:23:04 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo References: <0G1U00FIIRI5Z5@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D9D0AB.51681AD9@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <39D9DDB8.CA0BA3CA@ltiflex.com> > I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net > just reported way too many problems with this board. > Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. I like my Microstar. The software included in with the board to automatically overclock the thing is fun. Yeah it's windows based, but it's still fun. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 08:25:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <00a101c02d3d$6cbe9c20$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I used to have MediaOne cable - and I rarely did over about 150 KB/s. There were sometimes that I was able to get 250 KB/s. However, now I get 140 KB/s quite regularily and it is all mine - to serve as I please :) And I was shown by the installer to be 13100 ft to 13600 ft from the CO. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schewe" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Well considering hte fastest DSL I can get is 144k, it should be. The cable > companies only seem to be able to figure out how to get 2Mbps down and 640Kbps > down. That's still better that most DSL out there. It'd be nice if they > could really figure out how to use it and do 5Mbps both ways. My college had > that 5 years ago. > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > > > It is not "much faster" than everybody's DSL. :) > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Schewe" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > - much faster > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep > > that > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 3 08:55:06 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo References: <0G1U00FIIRI5Z5@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D9D0AB.51681AD9@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <39D9E53A.6D7D131F@innominatus.com> What kind of hard drive are you using with the K7T Pro? We have about 6 of those boards from nano. And every single one of them has a serious problem with Western Digital hard drives. We switched all of them over to IBM Deskstars and now they dont give us these whack errors anymore. (I can get an example of the error if your interested.) Why they have problems with WDC drives, I have no idea. It doesnt make much sense to me, but the problem is gone (or hiding until mission critical performance is needed). I like Tran Micro alot, they even helped me carry the stuff I bought out to my car! I have worked for 2 companies that have purchased alot from General Nano. We have been dissatisfied with the quality of components they sell. We had bought 4 workstations from them, and within 2 months 2 of the 4 power supplies had blown taking the board and ram with it, and left a SWEET char mark on the case! I replaced the ram, board, and supply (pcpowercooling) and they havent had a problem since. Another of the 4's motherboards (Soyo) simply failed. I called up soyo tech support so they could tell me what the post beep code was, since they didnt put it in the manual. I let the tech hear the post beeps, "Sorry, your board done". That was all the help he could provide. I replaced that board with a Supermicro something or other. No problems since. I hope these problems are just flukes and that Nano is a good company. Kent Schumacher wrote: > Thanks everyone for yesterdays motherboard advice fest. > > I ended up at General Nanosystem at 3:58 yesterday, left > at 4:17 with a (tested) MicroStar K7T pro, an 800Mhz > Athlon TBird, 128Mb PC133, and a nice case. > > Went home, transferred my drives and other junk, and > 45 minutes later I was writing code, answering > e-mail, and playing Heavy Gear II at speeds I found > astounding. > > I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net > just reported way too many problems with this board. > Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. > > Thanks again, > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 3 08:52:31 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo Message-ID: <0G1U00JKIXXE4K@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, I believe that problem with the hard drives was a WD problem, in particular with the VIA south bridge. (Not a GNS problem). Again, Tran Micro is a top quality place. Visit 'em! Nick Reinking jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/03/2000 08:55:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo What kind of hard drive are you using with the K7T Pro? We have about 6 of those boards from nano. And every single one of them has a serious problem with Western Digital hard drives. We switched all of them over to IBM Deskstars and now they dont give us these whack errors anymore. (I can get an example of the error if your interested.) Why they have problems with WDC drives, I have no idea. It doesnt make much sense to me, but the problem is gone (or hiding until mission critical performance is needed). I like Tran Micro alot, they even helped me carry the stuff I bought out to my car! I have worked for 2 companies that have purchased alot from General Nano. We have been dissatisfied with the quality of components they sell. We had bought 4 workstations from them, and within 2 months 2 of the 4 power supplies had blown taking the board and ram with it, and left a SWEET char mark on the case! I replaced the ram, board, and supply (pcpowercooling) and they havent had a problem since. Another of the 4's motherboards (Soyo) simply failed. I called up soyo tech support so they could tell me what the post beep code was, since they didnt put it in the manual. I let the tech hear the post beeps, "Sorry, your board done". That was all the help he could provide. I replaced that board with a Supermicro something or other. No problems since. I hope these problems are just flukes and that Nano is a good company. Kent Schumacher wrote: > Thanks everyone for yesterdays motherboard advice fest. > > I ended up at General Nanosystem at 3:58 yesterday, left > at 4:17 with a (tested) MicroStar K7T pro, an 800Mhz > Athlon TBird, 128Mb PC133, and a nice case. > > Went home, transferred my drives and other junk, and > 45 minutes later I was writing code, answering > e-mail, and playing Heavy Gear II at speeds I found > astounding. > > I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net > just reported way too many problems with this board. > Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. > > Thanks again, > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net Tue Oct 3 11:16:11 2000 From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse References: <005801c02d25$be110440$14b9fed1@e8fse> <006001c02d3a$c439a880$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <000801c02d55$3f99fba0$a2c0fd3f@e8fse> This is quite possible...How do I tell what device I am using? During the install I selected a regular 2 button mouse which I am fairly sure is correct. I don't know all the things that need to be in place to use the mouse in Xwindows. This is my first time attempting this in case it doesn't show... Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 06:06 Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse > What device did you use? I am willing to bet you chose the wrong device. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen B Knewtson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:36 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse > > > Hi, > > I recently installed Slackware 7.1 on an HP Pavilion. I ran the x86fconfig > program to set up the video and tried startx. > GNOME came up ok but the mouse doesn't work. I don't really know where to > start. What things should I be checking for? > What's the best way to go about isolating the problem? > > thanks, > stephen > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 09:17:17 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <00100221490600.00774@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not to say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but if you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka ATT) and > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for your MAC > address. > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a freebsd = > > system > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > >=20 > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information on y= > > our > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > >=20 > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. Ther= > > e's a > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this = > > myself > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but= > > until > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > >=20 > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > >=20 > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > - much faster > > > >=20 > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep = > > that > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels=20 > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that=20 > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --=20 > > > Eric F Crist > > > System Administrator > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > >=20 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: > ---------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------- > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: > ---------------------------------------- > > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 09:19:54 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse References: <005801c02d25$be110440$14b9fed1@e8fse> <006001c02d3a$c439a880$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <000801c02d55$3f99fba0$a2c0fd3f@e8fse> Message-ID: <011701c02d45$00f89ba0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> in your /etc/X11/XF86Config file, you should see a reference to either /dev/mouse (which is a link to ...) or /dev/psaux. This assumes you have a PS/2 mouse, which nearly all recent modern computers have. If you are using XFree86 3.3.6 instead of XFree86 4.0.1, then the file is /etc/XF86Config. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen B Knewtson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse > This is quite possible...How do I tell what device I am using? During the > install I selected a regular 2 button mouse which I am fairly sure is > correct. I don't know all the things that need to be in place to use the > mouse in Xwindows. This is my first time attempting this in case it doesn't > show... > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 06:06 > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse > > > > What device did you use? I am willing to bet you chose the wrong device. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen B Knewtson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:36 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I recently installed Slackware 7.1 on an HP Pavilion. I ran the > x86fconfig > > program to set up the video and tried startx. > > GNOME came up ok but the mouse doesn't work. I don't really know where to > > start. What things should I be checking for? > > What's the best way to go about isolating the problem? > > > > thanks, > > stephen > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 3 09:23:11 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo References: <0G1U00JKIXXE4K@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D9EBCF.18251D26@innominatus.com> Duh.. I know that its not a GNS problem. I stated the problem I had with GNS was that they sold products with problems. And from the problems I have had, it seems alot of the products they sell have problems. Do you know more about this VIA WD problem? I have 3 Western Digital drives and I just ordered an MSI board with a VIA chipset. Hopefully I wont see the problem since my drives will use an add on Escalade 6400 ATA RAID controller, and not use the onboard IDE controller. Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Actually, I believe that problem with the hard drives was a WD problem, > in particular with the VIA south bridge. (Not a GNS problem). > > Again, Tran Micro is a top quality place. Visit 'em! > > Nick Reinking > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/03/2000 08:55:06 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo > > What kind of hard drive are you using with the K7T Pro? > We have about 6 of those boards from nano. And every single one of them > has a serious problem with Western Digital hard drives. We switched all > of them over to IBM Deskstars and now they dont give us these whack > errors anymore. (I can get an example of the error if your interested.) > Why they have problems with WDC drives, I have no idea. It doesnt make > much sense to me, but the problem is gone (or hiding until mission > critical performance is needed). > > I like Tran Micro alot, they even helped me carry the stuff I bought out > to my car! > I have worked for 2 companies that have purchased alot from General Nano. > We have been dissatisfied with the quality of components they sell. We > had bought 4 workstations from them, and within 2 months 2 of the 4 power > supplies had blown taking the board and ram with it, and left a SWEET > char mark on the case! I replaced the ram, board, and supply > (pcpowercooling) and they havent had a problem since. Another of the 4's > motherboards (Soyo) simply failed. I called up soyo tech support so they > could tell me what the post beep code was, since they didnt put it in the > manual. I let the tech hear the post beeps, "Sorry, your board done". > That was all the help he could provide. I replaced that board with a > Supermicro something or other. No problems since. > > I hope these problems are just flukes and that Nano is a good company. > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Thanks everyone for yesterdays motherboard advice fest. > > > > I ended up at General Nanosystem at 3:58 yesterday, left > > at 4:17 with a (tested) MicroStar K7T pro, an 800Mhz > > Athlon TBird, 128Mb PC133, and a nice case. > > > > Went home, transferred my drives and other junk, and > > 45 minutes later I was writing code, answering > > e-mail, and playing Heavy Gear II at speeds I found > > astounding. > > > > I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net > > just reported way too many problems with this board. > > Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. > > > > Thanks again, > > Kent > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cleyda at yahoo.com Tue Oct 3 09:20:42 2000 From: cleyda at yahoo.com (Charles Leyda) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse Message-ID: <20001003142042.24108.qmail@web3003.mail.yahoo.com> --- Stephen B Knewtson wrote: > Hi, > > I recently installed Slackware 7.1 on an HP > Pavilion. I ran the x86fconfig program to set up > the video and tried startx. > GNOME came up ok but the mouse doesn't work. I > don't really know where to start. What things > should I be checking for? > What's the best way to go about isolating the > problem? > > thanks, > stephe My linus red hat has a mousetest script that chedk your mouse configuration from the command line. Your linux shoud have yhe same. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 09:21:40 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo In-Reply-To: <39D9D0AB.51681AD9@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: How much did you pay for the board and processor? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Thanks everyone for yesterdays motherboard advice fest. > > I ended up at General Nanosystem at 3:58 yesterday, left > at 4:17 with a (tested) MicroStar K7T pro, an 800Mhz > Athlon TBird, 128Mb PC133, and a nice case. > > Went home, transferred my drives and other junk, and > 45 minutes later I was writing code, answering > e-mail, and playing Heavy Gear II at speeds I found > astounding. > > I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net > just reported way too many problems with this board. > Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. > > Thanks again, > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 09:22:55 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: Message-ID: <012501c02d45$6d53dda0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that somebdoy is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable modem. Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one had better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not to > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but if > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka ATT) and > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for your MAC > > address. > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a freebsd = > > > system > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > >=20 > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information on y= > > > our > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > >=20 > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking side of > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. Ther= > > > e's a > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This is > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done this = > > > myself > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static IP, but= > > > until > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > >=20 > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > >=20 > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > - much faster > > > > >=20 > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep = > > > that > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > >=20 > > > > > --=20 > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels=20 > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that=20 > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --=20 > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > System Administrator > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > >=20 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > >=20 > > > > > > --=20 > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Description: > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Description: > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Eric F Crist > > System Administrator > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rjb at artimex.com Tue Oct 3 09:26:58 2000 From: rjb at artimex.com (Bob Brashear) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo References: <0G1U00FIIRI5Z5@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D9D0AB.51681AD9@structural-wood.com> <39D9E53A.6D7D131F@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39D9ECB2.9CBA57DE@artimex.com> Jason J wrote: > I like Tran Micro alot, they even helped me carry the stuff I bought out > to my car! Tran Micro is getting some good reviews here. Where in Richfield (?) are they? Thanks. -- Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 09:30:50 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <012501c02d45$6d53dda0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As long as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen reassigned. I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the source. If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks for that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an OFFER with a new IP. In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a renew request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The lease time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who has what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're using. If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that somebdoy > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable modem. > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one had > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not to > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but if > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka ATT) > and > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for > your MAC > > > address. > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a > freebsd = > > > > system > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > >=20 > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information > on y= > > > > our > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > >=20 > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking > side of > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. > Ther= > > > > e's a > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This > is > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done > this = > > > > myself > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static > IP, but= > > > > until > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech > rep = > > > > that > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels=20 > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that=20 > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --=20 > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > >=20 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Description: > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Description: > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > > Eric F Crist > > > System Administrator > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 3 09:41:05 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22036] Re: Harddrives [Was: MoHappy Mobo] References: <0G1U00JKIXXE4K@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D9EBCF.18251D26@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39D9F001.8EC8F98C@ltiflex.com> > Do you know more about this VIA WD problem? I have 3 Western Digital drives > and I just ordered an MSI board with a VIA chipset. Hopefully I wont see the > problem since my drives will use an add on Escalade 6400 ATA RAID controller, > and not use the onboard IDE controller. Myself, I don't really trust WD drives. A few bad experiences in the past. I don't put much faith in Seagate drives either, but at least one of my Seagate drives has been good since I got it (and didn't fail every three mounths) Thankfully, dieman hasn't had any issues with the same drive in his machine, so it was probally my computer that was causing issues with the drive. Haven't really had any issues with my Maxtor drive. We did have an issue with the maxtor drive we were going to put in destiny.ringworld.org, but it was a really fscking bad drive. A semi-quick RMA took care of it (and got us a slightly bigger drive to boot) and we haven't had any issues with the drive running 24/7 since. I've had Zero issues with my IBM SCSI drives, nice fast and reliable. =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 09:43:05 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: Message-ID: <01af01c02d48$3e466570$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received the IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address for another week yet. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As long > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen reassigned. > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > source. > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks for > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > OFFER with a new IP. > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a renew > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The lease > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who has > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're using. > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that somebdoy > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable modem. > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one had > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not to > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but if > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka ATT) > > and > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for > > your MAC > > > > address. > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a > > freebsd = > > > > > system > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For information > > on y= > > > > > our > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer hacking > > side of > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never expire. > > Ther= > > > > > e's a > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. This > > is > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have done > > this = > > > > > myself > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit static > > IP, but= > > > > > until > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech > > rep = > > > > > that > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels=20 > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that=20 > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Content-Description: > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Content-Description: > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > System Administrator > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 3 09:35:07 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo Message-ID: <0G1V00KEK02K2L@mail1.supervalu.com> Go to www.tranmicro.com for all the MoHappy details. Nick rjb@artimex.com, on 10/03/2000 09:26:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo Jason J wrote: > I like Tran Micro alot, they even helped me carry the stuff I bought out > to my car! Tran Micro is getting some good reviews here. Where in Richfield (?) are they? Thanks. -- Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 3 10:00:01 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse References: <005801c02d25$be110440$14b9fed1@e8fse> <006001c02d3a$c439a880$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <000801c02d55$3f99fba0$a2c0fd3f@e8fse> Message-ID: <39D9F471.6E450EBC@ltiflex.com> Is it a PS or serial mouse? (PS plugs are round, serial aren't) If it's PS, you want /dev/psaux as your device, if it's serial, it's most likely /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 (unless slackware does something diferent with serial ports...like cua?) You also have to choose the protocoll of your mouse, depending on the type. Microsoft will probally work for a 2-button PS (or serial?) mouse. If you have a wheel job, that's supported as well, but I'm not going to get into it until you tell us what kind of mouse you have. Also, once you figure out where your device is you may want to change the /dev/mouse link. (rm /dev/mouse; ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse) If the mouse is really dead, put it in a sock and send it to someone who doesn't like mice. Label the box "Contents: One dead white mouse." My roomate and I made a friend across campus flip out with that one, she wouldn't even touch the sock. ;) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 3 10:02:01 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22040] irda in rh 6.2 Message-ID: I have been poking around with the IR support in redhat 6.2.. the docs just don't exist, and irlpt support just vanished sometime between 6.1 and 6.2. is anyone using ir printing in 6.2? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 10:23:51 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <01af01c02d48$3e466570$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more plausible lease time. Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the lease time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks and the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's gone and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already been leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received the > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address for > another week yet. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As long > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen reassigned. > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > source. > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks for > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a renew > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The lease > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who has > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're using. > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that > somebdoy > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable > modem. > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one > had > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not > to > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but > if > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka > ATT) > > > and > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for > > > your MAC > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a > > > freebsd = > > > > > > system > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > information > > > on y= > > > > > > our > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > hacking > > > side of > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never > expire. > > > Ther= > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. > This > > > is > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have > done > > > this = > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > static > > > IP, but= > > > > > > until > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the > tech > > > rep = > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > angels=20 > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God > that=20 > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Tue Oct 3 10:25:51 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC Message-ID: <200010031525.KAA01502@antares.cloudnet.com> Does anyone know anything about DirecPC? Currently, it's a 400K download dish, but requires a 56K connection for upload. I've heard rumors that they've got bidirectional dishes working, and in as little as 2 months should have something rolled out for the consumer. I'm holding off on getting my cable modem installed because I'd rather have the portability of a 2-way dish over cable or DSL any day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 3 10:29:42 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <00a101c02d3d$6cbe9c20$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 08:25:35AM -0500 References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> <00a101c02d3d$6cbe9c20$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001003102942.E17229@ringworld.org> I get 200-300kb/sec with less than 20ms latency to my work machine. 'nuff said. * Thomas T. Veldhouse [001003 08:25]: > I used to have MediaOne cable - and I rarely did over about 150 KB/s. There > were sometimes that I was able to get 250 KB/s. However, now I get 140 KB/s > quite regularily and it is all mine - to serve as I please :) And I was > shown by the installer to be 13100 ft to 13600 ft from the CO. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Schewe" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > Well considering hte fastest DSL I can get is 144k, it should be. The > cable > > companies only seem to be able to figure out how to get 2Mbps down and > 640Kbps > > down. That's still better that most DSL out there. It'd be nice if they > > could really figure out how to use it and do 5Mbps both ways. My college > had > > that 5 years ago. > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > > > > > It is not "much faster" than everybody's DSL. :) > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Schewe" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the tech rep > > > that > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > plausible lease time. > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the lease > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks and > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's gone > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already been > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received the > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address for > > another week yet. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As long > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen reassigned. > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > > source. > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks for > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a renew > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The lease > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who has > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're using. > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that > > somebdoy > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable > > modem. > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one > > had > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not > > to > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but > > if > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka > > ATT) > > > > and > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for > > > > your MAC > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > information > > > > on y= > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > > hacking > > > > side of > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never > > expire. > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. > > This > > > > is > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have > > done > > > > this = > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > > static > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the > > tech > > > > rep = > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 3 10:41:26 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22018] MoHappy Mobo References: Message-ID: <39D9FE26.5343864F@structural-wood.com> Adam Maloney wrote: > > How much did you pay for the board and processor? > The whole thing with tax was $600.00. I believe that broke down as: Mobo $165 Processor $200 Case $ 65 Memory $120 Actually that doesn't quite work out, but it's +/- 5% I also got an awesome looking cooling heat sink / fan included in the $600.00. (I think I'm going to get one for my head next summmer so I can be cool/k00l). Kent > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Thanks everyone for yesterdays motherboard advice fest. > > > > I ended up at General Nanosystem at 3:58 yesterday, left > > at 4:17 with a (tested) MicroStar K7T pro, an 800Mhz > > Athlon TBird, 128Mb PC133, and a nice case. > > > > Went home, transferred my drives and other junk, and > > 45 minutes later I was writing code, answering > > e-mail, and playing Heavy Gear II at speeds I found > > astounding. > > > > I looked long and hard at the ASUS A7, and the net > > just reported way too many problems with this board. > > Now that I have it, I'm glad I went with the MicroStar. > > > > Thanks again, > > Kent > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 10:43:48 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC References: <200010031525.KAA01502@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <021601c02d50$b98d4250$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Only requires a 28.8 modem for upload. 56K modems only increase download speed, upload is still maximum of 33.6 and in practice that is a 28.8 upload. Also, I would avoid wireless Internet for your PC at all costs. The latency must be horrible. I have heard that it is as much as one second. Think about it, these satellites are in a high geo-stationary orbit above the equator. A photon can circle the planet 7 times in a second. Assuming a packet is going to traverse at least the equivalent of once concentric orbit (a broad assumption) and all the electronics in between, I don't see how you could get anything less than 500 ms anyway. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC > Does anyone know anything about DirecPC? Currently, it's a 400K download > dish, but requires a 56K connection for upload. I've heard rumors that > they've got bidirectional dishes working, and in as little as 2 months > should have something rolled out for the consumer. I'm holding off on > getting my cable modem installed because I'd rather have the portability > of a 2-way dish over cable or DSL any day. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 10:45:38 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <020f01c02d50$3a9104f0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: man dhcpcd... -l leasetime Specifies (in seconds) the recommended lease time to the server. (Note that the server can override this value if it sees fit). This value is used in the DHCP_DISCOVER message. The default is infinite (0xffffffff). By default the client will request infinity, and the server will send it's configured default lease time back in the Offer. You can't force it from the client side, the server always wins (just like Awk!) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > He seemed to be talking about changing the lease time in the already > negotiated lease file. I wasn't aware you could even configure DHCP clients > to ask for a given release interval. I never saw such an option when > setting up DHCP client. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > > plausible lease time. > > > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the lease > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's > > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks and > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be > > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's gone > > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already been > > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received > the > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address > for > > > another week yet. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the > server > > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As > long > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen > reassigned. > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > > > source. > > > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks > for > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a > renew > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The > lease > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who > has > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're > using. > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that > > > somebdoy > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable > > > modem. > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are > simply > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, > one > > > had > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than > the > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is > the > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's > not > > > to > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, > but > > > if > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb > (aka > > > ATT) > > > > > and > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision > for > > > > > your MAC > > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, > on a > > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > > information > > > > > on y= > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > > > hacking > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never > > > expire. > > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your > lease. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I > have > > > done > > > > > this = > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > > > static > > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and > the > > > tech > > > > > rep = > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get > subscribers. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in > all=20 > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 10:47:49 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC In-Reply-To: <021601c02d50$b98d4250$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: Not good for gaming or interactive sessions. Mr. Spock, set your TCP_MAX_WINDOW_SIZE to kill! Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Only requires a 28.8 modem for upload. 56K modems only increase download > speed, upload is still maximum of 33.6 and in practice that is a 28.8 > upload. > > Also, I would avoid wireless Internet for your PC at all costs. The latency > must be horrible. I have heard that it is as much as one second. Think > about it, these satellites are in a high geo-stationary orbit above the > equator. A photon can circle the planet 7 times in a second. Assuming a > packet is going to traverse at least the equivalent of once concentric orbit > (a broad assumption) and all the electronics in between, I don't see how you > could get anything less than 500 ms anyway. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC > > > > Does anyone know anything about DirecPC? Currently, it's a 400K download > > dish, but requires a 56K connection for upload. I've heard rumors that > > they've got bidirectional dishes working, and in as little as 2 months > > should have something rolled out for the consumer. I'm holding off on > > getting my cable modem installed because I'd rather have the portability > > of a 2-way dish over cable or DSL any day. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From troyschmidt at mediaone.net Tue Oct 3 10:47:59 2000 From: troyschmidt at mediaone.net (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D91C37.1664ECF4@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <001601c02d51$4f335920$5665a8c0@ads.integratelecom.com> Speaking of DSL I just acquired a position at Integra Telecom working on provisioning and switching. I'm trying to get a local school setup with DSL as their pipe to the net. Unfortunately the consultant on site does not know Linux ( Red Hat 6.2 ) I know enough to be dangerous. He don't know if it is going to be a multi-homed server, however he has two nic's in the maching eth0 and eth1 is disabled. What I'm really asking is there some real good site's out there with HOWTO's on setting up DSL in a Linux enviro? Thanks, Troy ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Remember, USWorst is now Qwestionable. > > Mandar Vaze wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me > > a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, > > they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K > > earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people > > like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. > > > > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > > service. > > > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc > > ? > > > > Thanks, > > -Mandar > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 10:48:45 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: Message-ID: <024701c02d51$6aca7d30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> That is interesting. However, I have never seen a server configuration that didn't have a lease time specified in it - so in practice, it is probably meaningless to request a given lease time. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > man dhcpcd... > > -l leasetime > Specifies (in seconds) the recommended lease time > to the server. (Note that the server can override > this value if it sees fit). This value is used in > the DHCP_DISCOVER message. The default is infinite > (0xffffffff). > > By default the client will request infinity, and the server will send it's > configured default lease time back in the Offer. You can't force it from > the client side, the server always wins (just like Awk!) > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > He seemed to be talking about changing the lease time in the already > > negotiated lease file. I wasn't aware you could even configure DHCP clients > > to ask for a given release interval. I never saw such an option when > > setting up DHCP client. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client > > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time > > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > > > plausible lease time. > > > > > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the lease > > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's > > > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > > > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks and > > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be > > > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's gone > > > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they > > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will > > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already been > > > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different > > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received > > the > > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address > > for > > > > another week yet. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the > > server > > > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As > > long > > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen > > reassigned. > > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks > > for > > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > > > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a > > renew > > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The > > lease > > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > > > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who > > has > > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're > > using. > > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that > > > > somebdoy > > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable > > > > modem. > > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are > > simply > > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, > > one > > > > had > > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than > > the > > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is > > the > > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's > > not > > > > to > > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, > > but > > > > if > > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb > > (aka > > > > ATT) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision > > for > > > > > > your MAC > > > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, > > on a > > > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > > > information > > > > > > on y= > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > > > > hacking > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never > > > > expire. > > > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your > > lease. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I > > have > > > > done > > > > > > this = > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > > > > static > > > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and > > the > > > > tech > > > > > > rep = > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get > > subscribers. > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > > > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in > > all=20 > > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God > > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <39D91C37.1664ECF4@black-hole.com> <001601c02d51$4f335920$5665a8c0@ads.integratelecom.com> Message-ID: <025001c02d51$c1a87ee0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> It is just an ethernet configuration, as everything hooks up to ethernet cards. Really, you need to know the basics of setting up a TCPIP network. Perhaps you could get some advice at http://www.linux.org Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Schmidt" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Speaking of DSL I just acquired a position at Integra Telecom working on > provisioning and switching. I'm trying to get a local school setup with DSL > as their pipe to the net. > > Unfortunately the consultant on site does not know Linux ( Red Hat 6.2 ) I > know enough to be dangerous. He don't know if it is going to be a > multi-homed server, however he has two nic's in the maching eth0 and eth1 is > disabled. > > What I'm really asking is there some real good site's out there with HOWTO's > on setting up DSL in a Linux enviro? > > Thanks, > > Troy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BT" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > Remember, USWorst is now Qwestionable. > > > > Mandar Vaze wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I currently have uswest DSL, but just after sending me > > > a letter saying that now I will get 640K downstream, > > > they lowered my max speed to 256K. I used to get 670K > > > earlier, not anymore. USWest (or USWorst as people > > > like to call it) tech support wasn't of any help. > > > > > > So I'm thinking of switching to Roadrunner cable modem > > > service. > > > > > > Rather than starting DSL Vs Cable war, what I want to > > > know is that does TCLUG have a faq about RR cable > > > modem service ? and how to make it work with linux etc > > > ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Mandar > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 3 10:51:18 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC In-Reply-To: <021601c02d50$b98d4250$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: the latency is high, atleast with current directPC stuff, wireless connectsions themselvs arn't bad.. i run 802.11 stuff at work, and i get about 2.5-3ms latency across the links. (DSSS 11mb breezecom) but i'll agree, right now.. DirectPC is not that great.. tho i have heard that there is a service that provides usenet feeds over satelite, which is just download constant. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Only requires a 28.8 modem for upload. 56K modems only increase download > speed, upload is still maximum of 33.6 and in practice that is a 28.8 > upload. > > Also, I would avoid wireless Internet for your PC at all costs. The latency > must be horrible. I have heard that it is as much as one second. Think > about it, these satellites are in a high geo-stationary orbit above the > equator. A photon can circle the planet 7 times in a second. Assuming a > packet is going to traverse at least the equivalent of once concentric orbit > (a broad assumption) and all the electronics in between, I don't see how you > could get anything less than 500 ms anyway. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC > > > > Does anyone know anything about DirecPC? Currently, it's a 400K download > > dish, but requires a 56K connection for upload. I've heard rumors that > > they've got bidirectional dishes working, and in as little as 2 months > > should have something rolled out for the consumer. I'm holding off on > > getting my cable modem installed because I'd rather have the portability > > of a 2-way dish over cable or DSL any day. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 3 10:51:49 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22036] Re: Harddrives [Was: MoHappy Mobo] References: <0G1U00JKIXXE4K@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D9EBCF.18251D26@innominatus.com> <39D9F001.8EC8F98C@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39DA0095.7D463902@structural-wood.com> I've had the opportunity to buy a fair number of medium level consumer drives, and I feel like most are good with some rare but absolutely horrible cases for most of the manufacturers. The absolute best drive experience I had was with a Quantum drive which came with a five year warranty. I picked it up on discount for $400.00. I then used it as a primary drive on a data-base server, and it was used hard for 4-1/2 years. It finally went belly up, (which caused no problems). For kicks I called up Quantum and told them it was dead - they told me they had nothing comparable so they would cut me a check. Turns out the check was for their list price, so I ended getting a little more than $500.00 back. Pretty sweet, Kent Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Do you know more about this VIA WD problem? I have 3 Western Digital drives > > and I just ordered an MSI board with a VIA chipset. Hopefully I wont see the > > problem since my drives will use an add on Escalade 6400 ATA RAID controller, > > and not use the onboard IDE controller. > > Myself, I don't really trust WD drives. A few bad experiences in the past. I > don't put much faith in Seagate drives either, but at least one of my > Seagate drives has been good since I got it (and didn't fail every three > mounths) Thankfully, dieman hasn't had any issues with the same drive in his > machine, so it was probally my computer that was causing issues with the > drive. > > Haven't really had any issues with my Maxtor drive. We did have an issue > with the maxtor drive we were going to put in destiny.ringworld.org, but it > was a really fscking bad drive. A semi-quick RMA took care of it (and got us > a slightly bigger drive to boot) and we haven't had any issues with the > drive running 24/7 since. > > I've had Zero issues with my IBM SCSI drives, nice fast and reliable. =) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Oct 3 11:01:29 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22054] Debian DHCP (was Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem) In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:23:51AM -0500 References: <01af01c02d48$3e466570$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001003110129.A640@wookimus.net> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:23:51AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the > client sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that > lease time if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER > with a more plausible lease time. Yep. This is the correct way of doing it. The client *MUST* request an acceptable lease time, by protocol standards. Remember, the server, in most cases, will defer to allowing you to keep your IP if you renew your license at refresh time. The server will give the client fair warning before it thinks the lease will expire. If the client's still there and submits an ACK, the server issues an extended lease. If not, the server drops the lease back into the pool of free IP's. As Adam said, it's bad if you continue to use an IP that the server considers free; at some time the server will reassign the IP to another machine and you WILL have IP collisions. No one will be able to keep a consistent connection. For more info on how to correctly set up your dhcpcd, pump, or dhcpclient, please refer to their respective man pages or read NET3-HOWTO at http://www.linuxdoc.org. For debian users, it's fairly easy to set up dhcp on a given interface: 1. Install your preferred client 2. Configure the client for your preferred NIC ( not needed for debian systems using dhcpcd, if you're not using the init.d script ) 3. Make sure the client daemon does NOT start from init.d scripts. bash# update-rc.d -f dhcpcd remove 4. Edit your /etc/network/interfaces file to have a line like the following. ############################################################## # Added for eth0 (see interfaces(5)) iface eth0 inet dhcp ####################################################### # DHCP options ## #hostname iwantthisone ## #leasehours leasetime ## #leasetime leasetime ## #vendor vendor ## #client client_id ####################################################### # Nice way to add interface specific scripts (ipchains, # ipmasqadm, tunneling scripts, etc.) Executes these as # they come, though a neat way to do it is to use # run-parts on a *.d directory # #{pre-up|up|down|post-down} command pre-up run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_pre-up.d || true up run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_up.d || true down run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_down.d || true post-down run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_post-down.d || true # end file snippit ############################################################## 5. Execute "/etc/init.d/networking restart", or use "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" Violla... -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001003/09090041/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 11:01:33 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <024701c02d51$6aca7d30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: I think it's more commonly used to override the server's default: man dhcpd: ... It is possible to specify two lease lengths: the default length that will be assigned if a client doesn't ask for any particular lease length, and a maximum lease length. You can request a lease time such that SERVER DEFAULT < requested lease < max lease. Poorly configured DHCP servers that use the default of one day aren't optimal. Really when you setup the server you should define the default lease time that makes sense (the manpage has an example, an office environment where machines aren't added/removed frequently could be a month or more, whereas a test environment where machines are just powered on, tested, and shipped out could be 30mins). Then specify a max_time so clients that are very static (the admin's workstation, for instance) can request a much longer lease time. Anyways, it must have some use otherwise Vix would've removed it. I'd rather have the option than not have it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > That is interesting. However, I have never seen a server configuration that > didn't have a lease time specified in it - so in practice, it is probably > meaningless to request a given lease time. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > man dhcpcd... > > > > -l leasetime > > Specifies (in seconds) the recommended lease time > > to the server. (Note that the server can override > > this value if it sees fit). This value is used in > > the DHCP_DISCOVER message. The default is infinite > > (0xffffffff). > > > > By default the client will request infinity, and the server will send it's > > configured default lease time back in the Offer. You can't force it from > > the client side, the server always wins (just like Awk!) > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > He seemed to be talking about changing the lease time in the already > > > negotiated lease file. I wasn't aware you could even configure DHCP > clients > > > to ask for a given release interval. I never saw such an option when > > > setting up DHCP client. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the > client > > > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease > time > > > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > > > > plausible lease time. > > > > > > > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the > lease > > > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? > That's > > > > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > > > > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks > and > > > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will > be > > > > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's > gone > > > > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along > they > > > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client > will > > > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already > been > > > > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server > is > > > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two > different > > > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has > received > > > the > > > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP > address > > > for > > > > > another week yet. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the > > > server > > > > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. > As > > > long > > > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and > just > > > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server > can > > > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen > > > reassigned. > > > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of > the > > > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify > the > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client > asks > > > for > > > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, > then an > > > > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not > helping > > > > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send > a > > > renew > > > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. > The > > > lease > > > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if > the > > > > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know > who > > > has > > > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're > > > using. > > > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out > that > > > > > somebdoy > > > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there > cable > > > > > modem. > > > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they > are > > > simply > > > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds > this, > > > one > > > > > had > > > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger > than > > > the > > > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, > which is > > > the > > > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. > That's > > > not > > > > > to > > > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it > again, > > > but > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb > > > (aka > > > > > ATT) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the > provision > > > for > > > > > > > your MAC > > > > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the > file, > > > on a > > > > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > > > > information > > > > > > > on y= > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email > me. > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the > computer > > > > > hacking > > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to > never > > > > > expire. > > > > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your > > > lease. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. > I > > > have > > > > > done > > > > > > > this = > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a > legit > > > > > static > > > > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep > and > > > the > > > > > tech > > > > > > > rep = > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get > > > subscribers. > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, > neither > > > > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor > any=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in > > > all=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of > God > > > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ > finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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(was Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem) In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:23:51AM -0500 References: <01af01c02d48$3e466570$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001003110751.B640@wookimus.net> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:23:51AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client ...[snip]... > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is ...[snip...again]... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" ...[snip...would you look at that...]... > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server ...[oh...back to Tom].... > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: ...[guess this was important]... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" ...[hi, Eric!].... > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: ...[wonder who "you" is....]... > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: ...[hi, Eric!]... > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: ...[Hi, you!]... > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: ...[I think we found one of the "you's"]... > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe ...[another signature... Hi, Eric!]... > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist ...[there's another of our you's]... > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 ...[Hi, Eric]... > > > > > > Eric F Crist ...hmmm... All of that stuff must have really been important! -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By default dhcpcd requests 0xffffffff. It doesn't matter if the client requests something outrageous like this, the server's max_lease_time will override it anyways. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, ^chewie wrote: > On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:23:51AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the > > client sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that > > lease time if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER > > with a more plausible lease time. > > Yep. This is the correct way of doing it. The client *MUST* request > an acceptable lease time, by protocol standards. Remember, the > server, in most cases, will defer to allowing you to keep your IP if > you renew your license at refresh time. The server will give the > client fair warning before it thinks the lease will expire. If the > client's still there and submits an ACK, the server issues an extended > lease. If not, the server drops the lease back into the pool of free > IP's. > > As Adam said, it's bad if you continue to use an IP that the server > considers free; at some time the server will reassign the IP to > another machine and you WILL have IP collisions. No one will be able > to keep a consistent connection. > > For more info on how to correctly set up your dhcpcd, pump, or > dhcpclient, please refer to their respective man pages or read > NET3-HOWTO at http://www.linuxdoc.org. > > For debian users, it's fairly easy to set up dhcp on a given > interface: > > 1. Install your preferred client > 2. Configure the client for your preferred NIC ( not needed for debian > systems using dhcpcd, if you're not using the init.d script ) > 3. Make sure the client daemon does NOT start from init.d > scripts. > > bash# update-rc.d -f dhcpcd remove > > 4. Edit your /etc/network/interfaces file to have a line like > the following. > > ############################################################## > # Added for eth0 (see interfaces(5)) > iface eth0 inet dhcp > ####################################################### > # DHCP options > > ## > #hostname iwantthisone > ## > #leasehours leasetime > ## > #leasetime leasetime > ## > #vendor vendor > ## > #client client_id > > ####################################################### > # Nice way to add interface specific scripts (ipchains, > # ipmasqadm, tunneling scripts, etc.) Executes these as > # they come, though a neat way to do it is to use > # run-parts on a *.d directory > # > #{pre-up|up|down|post-down} command > > pre-up run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_pre-up.d || true > up run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_up.d || true > down run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_down.d || true > post-down run-parts /etc/interfaces/eth0_post-down.d || true > > # end file snippit > ############################################################## > > 5. Execute "/etc/init.d/networking restart", or use "ifdown eth0; ifup > eth0" > > Violla... > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 3 11:15:08 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22056] Email pet peeve time... (was Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem) In-Reply-To: <20001003110751.B640@wookimus.net> Message-ID: /me gives chad a cookie for being anal :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, ^chewie wrote: > On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:23:51AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client > ...[snip]... > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > ...[snip...again]... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > ...[snip...would you look at that...]... > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server > > ...[oh...back to Tom].... > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > ...[guess this was important]... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > ...[hi, Eric!].... > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > ...[wonder who "you" is....]... > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > ...[hi, Eric!]... > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > ...[Hi, you!]... > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > ...[I think we found one of the "you's"]... > > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > ...[another signature... Hi, Eric!]... > > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > ...[there's another of our you's]... > > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > ...[Hi, Eric]... > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > ...hmmm... All of that stuff must have really been important! > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Oct 3 11:36:03 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 08:20:02AM -0500 References: <20001002203407.35489.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <00dd01c02cb0$d8038730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39D8F730.C890E00B@ltiflex.com> <004201c02ceb$ec470d30$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20001003113603.B675@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 08:20:02AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Well considering hte fastest DSL I can get is 144k, it should be. The cable > companies only seem to be able to figure out how to get 2Mbps down and 640Kbps > down. That's still better that most DSL out there. ...which generally just means that the bottleneck gets moved elsewhere on the network. Granted, I don't spend a lot of time moving large blocks of data around, but when my DSL was at 256k, there didn't seem to be a whole lot of sites (other than debian.org) that could fill that pipe. Now that USWest and visi have pulled their rate limiting and I can do 640k, even debian.org will frequently be unable to pump data out fast enough to fill it. A 2M or 5M connection would be serious overkill... I suppose it might help latency some and it would certainly improve multiple simultaneous transfers (unless they're all to/from the same host), but that's about it. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 3 11:57:24 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <20001003113603.B675@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > ...which generally just means that the bottleneck gets moved elsewhere on the > network. Granted, I don't spend a lot of time moving large blocks of data > around, but when my DSL was at 256k, there didn't seem to be a whole lot of > sites (other than debian.org) that could fill that pipe. Now that USWest and > visi have pulled their rate limiting and I can do 640k, even debian.org will > frequently be unable to pump data out fast enough to fill it. debian.org is very good at sucking up most of our t1 here.. get downloads of 130-150kbytes/s from there all the time. > A 2M or 5M connection would be serious overkill... I suppose it might help > latency some and it would certainly improve multiple simultaneous transfers > (unless they're all to/from the same host), but that's about it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 12:04:52 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC References: Message-ID: <025b01c02d5c$0c484d40$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> When I speak of wireless, I mean external to your LAN. In particular, a Satellite based solution. There is just too much distance involved to keep latency low. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kochie" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC > the latency is high, atleast with current directPC stuff, wireless > connectsions themselvs arn't bad.. i run 802.11 stuff at work, and i get > about 2.5-3ms latency across the links. (DSSS 11mb breezecom) > but i'll agree, right now.. DirectPC is not that great.. tho i have heard > that there is a service that provides usenet feeds over satelite, which is > just download constant. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Only requires a 28.8 modem for upload. 56K modems only increase download > > speed, upload is still maximum of 33.6 and in practice that is a 28.8 > > upload. > > > > Also, I would avoid wireless Internet for your PC at all costs. The latency > > must be horrible. I have heard that it is as much as one second. Think > > about it, these satellites are in a high geo-stationary orbit above the > > equator. A photon can circle the planet 7 times in a second. Assuming a > > packet is going to traverse at least the equivalent of once concentric orbit > > (a broad assumption) and all the electronics in between, I don't see how you > > could get anything less than 500 ms anyway. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about DirecPC? Currently, it's a 400K download > > > dish, but requires a 56K connection for upload. I've heard rumors that > > > they've got bidirectional dishes working, and in as little as 2 months > > > should have something rolled out for the consumer. I'm holding off on > > > getting my cable modem installed because I'd rather have the portability > > > of a 2-way dish over cable or DSL any day. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 12:06:04 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: Message-ID: <026d01c02d5c$378be4d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> only to lower it I would think, not to increase it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > I think it's more commonly used to override the server's default: > > man dhcpd: > ... > It is possible to specify two lease lengths: the default > length that will be assigned if a client doesn't ask for > any particular lease length, and a maximum lease length. > > You can request a lease time such that SERVER DEFAULT < requested lease < > max lease. > > Poorly configured DHCP servers that use the default of one day aren't > optimal. Really when you setup the server you should define the default > lease time that makes sense (the manpage has an example, an office > environment where machines aren't added/removed frequently could be a > month or more, whereas a test environment where machines are just powered > on, tested, and shipped out could be 30mins). Then specify a max_time so > clients that are very static (the admin's workstation, for instance) can > request a much longer lease time. > > Anyways, it must have some use otherwise Vix would've removed it. I'd > rather have the option than not have it. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > That is interesting. However, I have never seen a server configuration that > > didn't have a lease time specified in it - so in practice, it is probably > > meaningless to request a given lease time. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > man dhcpcd... > > > > > > -l leasetime > > > Specifies (in seconds) the recommended lease time > > > to the server. (Note that the server can override > > > this value if it sees fit). This value is used in > > > the DHCP_DISCOVER message. The default is infinite > > > (0xffffffff). > > > > > > By default the client will request infinity, and the server will send it's > > > configured default lease time back in the Offer. You can't force it from > > > the client side, the server always wins (just like Awk!) > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > He seemed to be talking about changing the lease time in the already > > > > negotiated lease file. I wasn't aware you could even configure DHCP > > clients > > > > to ask for a given release interval. I never saw such an option when > > > > setting up DHCP client. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the > > client > > > > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease > > time > > > > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > > > > > plausible lease time. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the > > lease > > > > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? > > That's > > > > > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > > > > > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks > > and > > > > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will > > be > > > > > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's > > gone > > > > > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along > > they > > > > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client > > will > > > > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already > > been > > > > > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server > > is > > > > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two > > different > > > > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has > > received > > > > the > > > > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP > > address > > > > for > > > > > > another week yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the > > > > server > > > > > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. > > As > > > > long > > > > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and > > just > > > > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server > > can > > > > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen > > > > reassigned. > > > > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of > > the > > > > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify > > the > > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client > > asks > > > > for > > > > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, > > then an > > > > > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not > > helping > > > > > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send > > a > > > > renew > > > > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. > > The > > > > lease > > > > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if > > the > > > > > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know > > who > > > > has > > > > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're > > > > using. > > > > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out > > that > > > > > > somebdoy > > > > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there > > cable > > > > > > modem. > > > > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they > > are > > > > simply > > > > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds > > this, > > > > one > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger > > than > > > > the > > > > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, > > which is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. > > That's > > > > not > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it > > again, > > > > but > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb > > > > (aka > > > > > > ATT) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the > > provision > > > > for > > > > > > > > your MAC > > > > > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the > > file, > > > > on a > > > > > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > on y= > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the > > computer > > > > > > hacking > > > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to > > never > > > > > > expire. > > > > > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your > > > > lease. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. > > I > > > > have > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > this = > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a > > legit > > > > > > static > > > > > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep > > and > > > > the > > > > > > tech > > > > > > > > rep = > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get > > > > subscribers. > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, > > neither > > > > > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor > > any=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in > > > > all=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of > > God > > > > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ > > finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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I am having trouble getting ppp-2.3.8 to compile with the patch for microsoft encryption junk (ppp-2.3.8-mppe-others-norc4_TH7.diff.gz). (The only version I have found a patch for)... I have the SSLeay files copied to where I am supposed to put them, but when I go to compile ppp, I get: _______________________________________ extra_crypto.o: In function 'DesEncrypt': /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:141: undefined reference to `setkey' /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:144: undefined reference to `encrypt' collect2: Id returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [pppd] Error 1 ... make: *** [all] Error 2 _______________________________________ I can get it to compile if I comment the 2 lines out in the extra_crypto.c file, but I think that this is not the way to go if you wish to have working software :-) Other details: Slack 7.1 (2.2.16) Thanks, Kelly Black _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Tue Oct 3 14:51:31 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse Message-ID: <20001003195131.10016.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> One situation I used to run into with older versions of Slack was if gsm was running for console mouse support it screwed up the mouse in X. From a console prompt issue: ps ax | grep gsm If you see a gsm running, kill the process and see if your mouse comes back. On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Stephen B Knewtson" wrote: > > Hi, > > I recently installed Slackware 7.1 on an HP Pavilion. I ran the x86fconfig program to set up the video and tried startx. > GNOME came up ok but the mouse doesn't work. I don't really know where to start. What things should I be checking for? > What's the best way to go about isolating the problem? > > thanks, > stephen Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Tue Oct 3 14:54:57 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Check with the mailing list: http://lists.schulte.org/pipermail/pptp-server/2000-August/002981.html It's been several months since I'd set it up, but I was running ppp-2.3.11 and pptpd-1.0.0-1 with the full bag 'o tricks for winnt and '98. Peter Lukas On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Kelly Black wrote: > Has anyone set up PoPToP with a recent 2.2 kernel? > > I am having trouble getting ppp-2.3.8 to compile with the patch for > microsoft encryption junk (ppp-2.3.8-mppe-others-norc4_TH7.diff.gz). > (The only version I have found a patch for)... > > I have the SSLeay files copied to where I am supposed to put them, but when > I go to compile ppp, I get: > _______________________________________ > extra_crypto.o: In function 'DesEncrypt': > /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:141: undefined reference to > `setkey' > /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:144: undefined reference to > `encrypt' > collect2: Id returned 1 exit status > make[1]: *** [pppd] Error 1 > ... > make: *** [all] Error 2 > _______________________________________ > > I can get it to compile if I comment the 2 lines out in the extra_crypto.c > file, but I think that this is not the way to go if you wish to have working > software :-) > > Other details: > Slack 7.1 (2.2.16) > > > Thanks, > Kelly Black > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 3 15:07:29 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients Message-ID: Thanks, I will give that a try, and post my results.... Kelly Black >From: Peter Lukas >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:54:57 -0500 (CDT) > >Check with the mailing list: >http://lists.schulte.org/pipermail/pptp-server/2000-August/002981.html > >It's been several months since I'd set it up, but I was running ppp-2.3.11 >and pptpd-1.0.0-1 with the full bag 'o tricks for winnt and '98. > >Peter Lukas > >On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Kelly Black wrote: > > > Has anyone set up PoPToP with a recent 2.2 kernel? > > > > I am having trouble getting ppp-2.3.8 to compile with the patch for > > microsoft encryption junk (ppp-2.3.8-mppe-others-norc4_TH7.diff.gz). > > (The only version I have found a patch for)... > > > > I have the SSLeay files copied to where I am supposed to put them, but >when > > I go to compile ppp, I get: > > _______________________________________ > > extra_crypto.o: In function 'DesEncrypt': > > /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:141: undefined reference to > > `setkey' > > /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:144: undefined reference to > > `encrypt' > > collect2: Id returned 1 exit status > > make[1]: *** [pppd] Error 1 > > ... > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > _______________________________________ > > > > I can get it to compile if I comment the 2 lines out in the >extra_crypto.c > > file, but I think that this is not the way to go if you wish to have >working > > software :-) > > > > Other details: > > Slack 7.1 (2.2.16) > > > > > > Thanks, > > Kelly Black > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 3 15:16:03 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Kelly Black wrote: > Has anyone set up PoPToP with a recent 2.2 kernel? > > I am having trouble getting ppp-2.3.8 to compile with the patch for > microsoft encryption junk (ppp-2.3.8-mppe-others-norc4_TH7.diff.gz). > (The only version I have found a patch for)... Yeah. I'll e-mail you off-list and attach all the patches you want for PPP 2.3.10. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 3 15:45:23 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22068] Re: Patches for ppp 2.3.10 to work with mppe/openssl Message-ID: Thanks Nate. I have tracked it down to a problem with Slack 7.1, as the ppp-2.3.10 compiles under Suse 6.2. Need to just figure out why now... I will post when I find the issue... Kelly >From: Nate Carlson >To: Kelly Black >Subject: Patches for ppp 2.3.10 to work with mppe/openssl >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:19:34 -0500 (CDT) > >Here'ya go. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ><< ppp-2.3.10-openssl-norc4-mppe.patch >> ><< ppp-2.3.10-mppe_stateless.patch >> ><< ppp-2.3.10-require_mppe.patch >> ><< ppp-2.3.10-strip_domain.patch >> ><< ppp-2.3.10-options >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Oct 3 15:59:40 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse In-Reply-To: <20001003195131.10016.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net>; from jack@jacku.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:51:31PM -0700 References: <20001003195131.10016.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <20001003155940.G640@wookimus.net> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:51:31PM -0700, jack@jacku.com wrote: > One situation I used to run into with older versions of Slack was if > gsm was running for console mouse support it screwed up the mouse in > X. From a console prompt issue: > > ps ax | grep gsm > > If you see a gsm running, kill the process and see if your mouse > comes back. Are you referring to General Purpose Mouse (gpm)? Or, perhaps gsm became gpm? Currently, the program I believe you are referring to is indeed gpm, and you are correct; there are conflict problems between gpm and X. You can defer mouse control entirely to gpm and then repeat the data through the /dev/gpmdata device for X. Read into the gpm documentation for more details -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What is the difference between BO and VNC? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 3 16:41:19 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC References: <200010031525.KAA01502@antares.cloudnet.com> <021601c02d50$b98d4250$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39DA527F.3AB60531@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Only requires a 28.8 modem for upload. 56K modems only increase download > speed, upload is still maximum of 33.6 and in practice that is a 28.8 > upload. > > Also, I would avoid wireless Internet for your PC at all costs. The latency > must be horrible. I have heard that it is as much as one second. Think > about it, these satellites are in a high geo-stationary orbit above the > equator. A photon can circle the planet 7 times in a second. Assuming a Yes, due to the distance involved, latency is horrible. Also, if you think sharing cable bandwidth with the neighborhood is bad, think about sattelite. You're sharing with the entire hemisphere. Sattelite is only good if landline is absolutely not possible. Apparently in phoenix they have a ground based wireless internet service. Just plop a globe antenna thing on your roof and you got a nice high bandwidth connection... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 3 16:51:11 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC References: <20001003163345.D9413@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> > But my question is still not answered. What is the difference between BO and > VNC? Don't know about BO, but VNC is an actuall X server under *NIX. In windows, BO and VNC do pretty much the same thing, but VNC tells you what it does and has an uninstaller and other nifty stuff. Even runs as a NT service so you can login via vnc instead of having to go to the workstation and login (maybe BO will do this?) It's also rather easy to forward VNC over ssh. The above could be true of BO as well, but I've never used BO and don't really care to. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 3 16:58:40 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Of course the unix client doesn't have a way to send a CTRL-ALT-DEL, so every time my Windows workstation meets it's maker I have to switch the keyboard over and finger it manually. If you're considering using BO, don't. Remember why it was released, and who released it. It may be 100% clean, but I wouldn't trust CDC to not have put something nasty in it. VNC is only good over a local network, I use it over DSL only in a pinch. PCAnywhere is much better suited to slower lines, it has better compression and optimization for low-speed. Also, the windows server is terribly inefficient because they don't have access to all the API's. The unix server is much faster, so if you can you should run the server on unix and VNC in from the windows machine. It's unseeming, but faster. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > But my question is still not answered. What is the difference between BO and > > VNC? > > Don't know about BO, but VNC is an actuall X server under *NIX. In windows, > BO and VNC do pretty much the same thing, but VNC tells you what it does and > has an uninstaller and other nifty stuff. Even runs as a NT service so you > can login via vnc instead of having to go to the workstation and login > (maybe BO will do this?) It's also rather easy to forward VNC over ssh. The > above could be true of BO as well, but I've never used BO and don't really > care to. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Oct 3 17:05:54 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500 References: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001003170554.O675@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > VNC is only good over a local network, I use it over DSL only in a pinch. It's not that bad... I've got my NT box at the office set up with a VNC server that has the polling options mostly turned off and it's pretty quick using it from home over my DSL link, provided I start the client with the -bgr233 switch. (I'm not concerned with true reproduction of colors, so...) The problems I have with it are related to the sending side - double-clicks or hitting the Windows key on my end tend to confuse the VNC server and WindowMaker intercepts keystrokes before VNC sees them and doesn't pass them on if they're mapped to local functions. But all of these problems are bandwidth-independent. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Tue Oct 3 17:12:11 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > It's also rather easy to forward VNC over ssh. Can you explain how this would be done? Thanks, Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 3 17:15:02 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC Message-ID: Dial up works, if it is a choice between driving in to work an hour away, it can be faster!!! Kelly Black >From: Dave Sherohman >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:05:54 -0500 > >On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > VNC is only good over a local network, I use it over DSL only in a >pinch. > >It's not that bad... I've got my NT box at the office set up with a VNC >server that has the polling options mostly turned off and it's pretty quick >using it from home over my DSL link, provided I start the client with the >-bgr233 switch. (I'm not concerned with true reproduction of colors, >so...) > >The problems I have with it are related to the sending side - double-clicks >or hitting the Windows key on my end tend to confuse the VNC server and >WindowMaker intercepts keystrokes before VNC sees them and doesn't pass >them >on if they're mapped to local functions. But all of these problems are >bandwidth-independent. > >-- >"Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist >"So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton >Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ >!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 3 17:18:21 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22077] PoPToP on Slack 7.1 Message-ID: ppp compiles if I stick with the stock Slack 7.1, instead of Slackware current. Hmmm... Kelly Black _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 3 17:34:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22078] RH 7.0 Message-ID: <20001003173442.A14284@real-time.com> Redhat really whacked up arpa stuff in 7.0. Nothing compiles clean anymore with you need to #include stuff from arpa! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Tue Oct 3 17:49:20 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00100317513604.02548@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Wrong, I have a cron to renew everynight, wich tells the DHCP server that my lease doesn't expire for another x weeks. The server usually acknowledges this and simply oks it, without argument. Since I'm renewing everynight, there's no reason that someone else would get my IP. It's all water under the bridge now anyway, since I have ADSL from UsWorst/Qwestionable at 768K with 8 IPs (static). Running servers with a routable network is a lot easier. On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, you wrote: > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > plausible lease time. > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the lease > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks and > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's gone > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already been > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received the > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address for > > another week yet. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As long > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen reassigned. > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > > source. > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks for > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a renew > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The lease > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who has > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're using. > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that > > somebdoy > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable > > modem. > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one > > had > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not > > to > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but > > if > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka > > ATT) > > > > and > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for > > > > your MAC > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > information > > > > on y= > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > > hacking > > > > side of > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never > > expire. > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. > > This > > > > is > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have > > done > > > > this = > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > > static > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the > > tech > > > > rep = > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 3 18:03:34 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22078] RH 7.0 In-Reply-To: <20001003173442.A14284@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Redhat really whacked up arpa stuff in 7.0. Nothing compiles clean anymore with > you need to #include stuff from arpa! Oh, they messed up a lot more than that. Or actually fixed some 'known bugs'. I've got a lot of programs refusing to compile because the workarounds which are no longer needed break the code. Pine and xlockmore come to mind, as well as the nvidia XFree kernel module. Pine+SSL is _really_ messed up, but that's probably SSL 0.9.6, which Red Hat actually doesn't install... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Oct 3 18:21:01 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500 References: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001003182101.A30887@knicknack.net> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > Of course the unix client doesn't have a way to send a CTRL-ALT-DEL, so > every time my Windows workstation meets it's maker I have to switch the > keyboard over and finger it manually. > Under X, I just hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and it works just fine. This all assumes that the Winders machine is still able to talk to the rest of the world. > If you're considering using BO, don't. Remember why it was released, and > who released it. It may be 100% clean, but I wouldn't trust CDC to not > have put something nasty in it. > > VNC is only good over a local network, I use it over DSL only in a pinch. > PCAnywhere is much better suited to slower lines, it has better > compression and optimization for low-speed. Also, the windows server is > terribly inefficient because they don't have access to all the API's. The > unix server is much faster, so if you can you should run the server on > unix and VNC in from the windows machine. It's unseeming, but faster. > I actually have reasonably good response using VNC over compressed SSH. Using my 144 k IDSL connection, a full 1024x768 screen with minimal colors paints in probably 2-3 seconds. Someone else asked about instructions. From home, I just ssh (-C) into my Linux box at work. Then running vncviewer from that box to a Winders box on the network sends the output to my display at home due to ssh's built in X redirection. There is also a way to use ssh's port redirection to do the same thing. I believe it is documented in the FAQ on VNC's web site, http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 18:37:20 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC References: <200010031525.KAA01502@antares.cloudnet.com> <021601c02d50$b98d4250$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DA527F.3AB60531@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <001501c02d92$df7a6730$0100a8c0@cascade> Doesn't it make you wonder how long it is going to take to link all this to cancer?! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22042] DirecPC > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Only requires a 28.8 modem for upload. 56K modems only increase download > > speed, upload is still maximum of 33.6 and in practice that is a 28.8 > > upload. > > > > Also, I would avoid wireless Internet for your PC at all costs. The latency > > must be horrible. I have heard that it is as much as one second. Think > > about it, these satellites are in a high geo-stationary orbit above the > > equator. A photon can circle the planet 7 times in a second. Assuming a > > Yes, due to the distance involved, latency is horrible. Also, if you > think sharing cable bandwidth with the neighborhood is bad, think about > sattelite. You're sharing with the entire hemisphere. > > Sattelite is only good if landline is absolutely not possible. > > Apparently in phoenix they have a ground based wireless internet > service. Just plop a globe antenna thing on your roof and you got a nice > high bandwidth connection... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 3 18:38:58 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem References: <00100317513604.02548@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <001c01c02d93$1a42ed10$0100a8c0@cascade> How expensive is that? USWest and some ISP internet is not known to be cheap above 256/640 K. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric F Crist" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > Wrong, I have a cron to renew everynight, wich tells the DHCP server that my > lease doesn't expire for another x weeks. The server usually acknowledges this > and simply oks it, without argument. Since I'm renewing everynight, there's no > reason that someone else would get my IP. It's all water under the bridge now > anyway, since I have ADSL from UsWorst/Qwestionable at 768K with 8 IPs > (static). Running servers with a routable network is a lot easier. > > > > On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the client > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > > plausible lease time. > > > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the lease > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's > > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks and > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be > > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's gone > > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already been > > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two different > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has received the > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address for > > > another week yet. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the server > > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As long > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen reassigned. > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > > > source. > > > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client asks for > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then an > > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a renew > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The lease > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if the > > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know who has > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're using. > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out that > > > somebdoy > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there cable > > > modem. > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are simply > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, one > > > had > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger than the > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing individual. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which is the > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. That's not > > > to > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it again, but > > > if > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb (aka > > > ATT) > > > > > and > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the provision for > > > > > your MAC > > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the file, on a > > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > > information > > > > > on y= > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > > > hacking > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to never > > > expire. > > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your lease. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I have > > > done > > > > > this = > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > > > static > > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep and the > > > tech > > > > > rep = > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get subscribers. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any=20 > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all=20 > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Tue Oct 3 19:48:35 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <001c01c02d93$1a42ed10$0100a8c0@cascade> References: <00100317513604.02548@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <001c01c02d93$1a42ed10$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <00100319494500.02723@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I can't give you exact figures, but I apy like $80 per for the 768k and then the standard fee for ISP. Then I pay another 20$/mo for the 8 IP routable network. (bwt: my network is 63.228.57.0-63.228.57.8) On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, you wrote: > How expensive is that? USWest and some ISP internet is not known to be > cheap above 256/640 K. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric F Crist" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:49 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > Wrong, I have a cron to renew everynight, wich tells the DHCP server that > my > > lease doesn't expire for another x weeks. The server usually acknowledges > this > > and simply oks it, without argument. Since I'm renewing everynight, > there's no > > reason that someone else would get my IP. It's all water under the bridge > now > > anyway, since I have ADSL from UsWorst/Qwestionable at 768K with 8 IPs > > (static). Running servers with a routable network is a lot easier. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the > client > > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time > > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more > > > plausible lease time. > > > > > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though. Did he just change the > lease > > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information? That's > > > bad. Really bad. If he changes the lease time there then the server > > > doesn't know about it. Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks > and > > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be > > > expecting a renew that it will never get. It'll assume the client's > gone > > > and put the IP back into the pool. If a new subscriber came along they > > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately. Then after a week his client will > > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already > been > > > leased. Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > Right. But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is > > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two > different > > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has > received the > > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address > for > > > > another week yet. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the > server > > > > > can reject it. The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP. As > long > > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just > > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble. The server can > > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen > reassigned. > > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the > > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client > asks for > > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then > an > > > > > OFFER with a new IP. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping > > > > > yourself at all. As soon as the lease ends your client will send a > renew > > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways. The > lease > > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if > the > > > > > server reboots you may be SOL. I believe ISC's stores the lease > > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know > who has > > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're > using. > > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something... > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out > that > > > > somebdoy > > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there > cable > > > > modem. > > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are > simply > > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain. If MediaOne then finds this, > one > > > > had > > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger > than the > > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which > is the > > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for. > That's not > > > > to > > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it > again, but > > > > if > > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me, it works. I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb > (aka > > > > ATT) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the > provision for > > > > > > your MAC > > > > > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too. =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist [001002 21:37]: > > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the > file, on a > > > > > > freebsd = > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward. For > > > > information > > > > > > on y= > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP. If you're into the computer > > > > hacking > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to > never > > > > expire. > > > > > > Ther= > > > > > > > > > e's a > > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your > lease. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server. I > have > > > > done > > > > > > this = > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully. Maybe not a legit > > > > static > > > > > > IP, but= > > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view) > > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though > > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem > > > > > > > > > > > - much faster > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep > and the > > > > tech > > > > > > rep = > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get > subscribers. > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither > > > > angels=20 > > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor > any=20 > > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in > all=20 > > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of > God > > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > > > > > > > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ > finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="unnamed" > > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="unnamed" > > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > Content-Description: > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > System Administrator > > > > > > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > > Eric F Crist > > System Administrator > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 3 19:55:11 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22085] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem In-Reply-To: <00100319494500.02723@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:48:35PM -0500 References: <00100317513604.02548@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <001c01c02d93$1a42ed10$0100a8c0@cascade> <00100319494500.02723@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20001003195511.C19487@real-time.com> Quoting Eric F Crist (ecrist@ardent-hacker.net): > I can't give you exact figures, but I apy like $80 per for the 768k and then > the standard fee for ISP. Then I pay another 20$/mo for the 8 IP routable > network. (bwt: my network is 63.228.57.0-63.228.57.8) Drop the speed to 640K and this is what you get from Real Time for $25/month during our October special. You'd still get 8 IPs total (6 usuable). No additional fee for the subnet. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Tue Oct 3 20:13:47 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC References: Message-ID: <39DA844B.10C8B19C@ringworld.org> > > It's also rather easy to forward VNC over ssh. > > Can you explain how this would be done? > ssl -L 5910:address.of.vnc.server:5900 username@firewall.tld This is assuming you have a box you can ssh into. then xvncviewer localhost:10 VNC uses ports in the 5900 range, and the default port is 5900. If you set the display to be something other than 0 on the VNC server, up the port number accordingly. [if vnc is using display five, use port 5905] Myself, I have a nice shell script with about 10 hosts in it. Pretty slick for working from home (via cable), I've fixed server and workstation problems with VNC. Great for Saturday calls. It's 8am on a Saturday man, I'm sleeping? This better be good... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Tue Oct 3 20:34:10 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC References: Message-ID: <39DA8912.8FCC4920@fandre.com> linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > It's also rather easy to forward VNC over ssh. > > Can you explain how this would be done? > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/sshvnc.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Tue Oct 3 21:34:50 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22015] Dead Mouse Message-ID: <20001004023450.4811.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Absolutely correct. I meant gpm. I just had a brain-fart while typing. On Tue, 03 October 2000, ^chewie wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:51:31PM -0700, jack@jacku.com wrote: > > One situation I used to run into with older versions of Slack was if > > gsm was running for console mouse support it screwed up the mouse in > > X. From a console prompt issue: > > > > ps ax | grep gsm > > > > If you see a gsm running, kill the process and see if your mouse > > comes back. > > Are you referring to General Purpose Mouse (gpm)? Or, perhaps gsm > became gpm? Currently, the program I believe you are referring to is > indeed gpm, and you are correct; there are conflict problems between > gpm and X. You can defer mouse control entirely to gpm and then > repeat the data through the /dev/gpmdata device for X. Read into the > gpm documentation for more details > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Oct 3 22:48:46 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: <20001003163345.D9413@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:33:45PM -0500 References: <20001003163345.D9413@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001003224846.A3842@wookimus.net> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:33:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, read back orifice FAQ and comparision. > > But my question is still not answered. What is the difference > between BO and VNC? BO only works on Windows machines, both the "server" on the "infected" machine and the "client" on the "controlling" machine. There does seem to be command line applications available for the *NIX's, but it was primative at best when last I looked. VNC is cross platform, in comparison. Likewise, it has wider applicability, though it doesn't do things like control a Windows registry entries transparently from the user. BO is designed to be an nework administrative/hacking tool for Windows platforms. VNC is designed to be a graphical thin client for X and Windows platforms, the client-server aspect applicable from both ends (you can control a *NIX X desktop from a Windows box and a Windows desktop from a *NIX X desktop). They were developed for different reasons under different development teams, so the structure of the programs are entirely different. BO == network administrators utility toolkit for Windows networks. VNC == the *NIX/Windows network adminsitrator's remote desktop control tool. Both are very powerful, and both have their uses. In both cases, they're alternatives to much more costly proprietary software. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > there. Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. I've never been to the other store(s?). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Oct 4 00:55:10 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22092] late night testing Message-ID: <20001004005510.B6011@wookimus.net> don't reply please. 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Anyone using the 'persistent store' feature, aka database backend? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 4 01:34:49 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22094] Next TCLUG meeting/Installfest Message-ID: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> PLEASE NOTE: there will NOT be a TCLUG meeting on Saturday Oct 7, 2000. Instead we will be holding another Installfest on Saturday Oct 14, 2000 at Benchmark Computer Learning Center. See the TCLUG website for the most up to date info. http://www.mn-linux.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sorry about the noise. > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've tried numerous times and I can get connected and authenticated and get the ppp0 device up, but when I send packets I get unsupported protocol, or it just doesn't go through. "Kelly Black" writes: > Has anyone set up PoPToP with a recent 2.2 kernel? > > I am having trouble getting ppp-2.3.8 to compile with the patch for > microsoft encryption junk (ppp-2.3.8-mppe-others-norc4_TH7.diff.gz). > (The only version I have found a patch for)... > > I have the SSLeay files copied to where I am supposed to put them, but when > I go to compile ppp, I get: > _______________________________________ > extra_crypto.o: In function 'DesEncrypt': > /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:141: undefined reference to > `setkey' > /usr/local/src/ppp-2.3.8/pppd/extra_crypto.c:144: undefined reference to > `encrypt' > collect2: Id returned 1 exit status > make[1]: *** [pppd] Error 1 > ... > make: *** [all] Error 2 > _______________________________________ > > I can get it to compile if I comment the 2 lines out in the extra_crypto.c > file, but I think that this is not the way to go if you wish to have working > software :-) > > Other details: > Slack 7.1 (2.2.16) > > > Thanks, > Kelly Black > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 4 07:34:39 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: barnabas@knicknack.net's message of "Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:21:01 -0500" References: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> <20001003182101.A30887@knicknack.net> Message-ID: barnabas@knicknack.net writes: > Someone else asked about instructions. From home, I just ssh (-C) > into my Linux box at work. Then running vncviewer from that box to a > Winders box on the network sends the output to my display at home due > to ssh's built in X redirection. > > There is also a way to use ssh's port redirection to do the same > thing. I believe it is documented in the FAQ on VNC's web site, > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. Mindbright also released a version of their java ssh client that hooks enables VNC to work directly over ssh, so you don't have to start up a connection in another tty, then start VNC. http://www.mindbright.com/english/technology/products/mindvnc.html -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 08:05:39 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC References: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> <20001003182101.A30887@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <39DB2B23.56D03D56@tcfreenet.org> > Mindbright also released a version of their java ssh client that hooks enables > VNC to work directly over ssh, so you don't have to start up a connection in > another tty, then start VNC. > http://www.mindbright.com/english/technology/products/mindvnc.html How can* you set up a ssh tunnel without a login? I've just done something like ssh -c "sleep 60" which gives me 60 seconds to make the connection... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 4 08:12:42 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <39DAB8B2.C45E372A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <006001c02e04$c7be7ab0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Does Tran Micro have a website? My PC's PS/2 port just died last night - which means I need to replace the entire motherboard. What a rip. Anyway, I may as well get a new case and some memory and I would like to compare them to General Nanosystems. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hicks" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > Chris Opp wrote: > > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > > there. > > Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks > closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. > > I've never been to the other store(s?). > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dschramm at mmm.com Wed Oct 4 08:14:42 2000 From: dschramm at mmm.com (dschramm@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: <8625696E.0048C15D.00@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com> http://www.tranmicro.com/ "Thomas T. Veldhouse" on 10/04/2000 08:12:42 AM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org To: cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Does Tran Micro have a website? My PC's PS/2 port just died last night - which means I need to replace the entire motherboard. What a rip. Anyway, I may as well get a new case and some memory and I would like to compare them to General Nanosystems. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hicks" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > Chris Opp wrote: > > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in the > > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an online > > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that works > > there. > > Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks > closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. > > I've never been to the other store(s?). > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Oct 4 08:14:55 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22093] Next TCLUG meeting/Installfest In-Reply-To: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bummer, I'll still be in Atlanta for ALS. How many others will be also? Andy > PLEASE NOTE: there will NOT be a TCLUG meeting on Saturday Oct 7, 2000. > Instead we will be holding another Installfest on Saturday Oct 14, 2000 > at Benchmark Computer Learning Center. See the TCLUG website for the > most up to date info. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Oct 4 08:18:01 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <006001c02e04$c7be7ab0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: www.tranmicro.com I believe. The PS/2 port dies so you have to replace the whole board? You can't convert to a serial squeaker? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Does Tran Micro have a website? My PC's PS/2 port just died last night - > which means I need to replace the entire motherboard. What a rip. Anyway, > I may as well get a new case and some memory and I would like to compare > them to General Nanosystems. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hicks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in > the > > > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an > online > > > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that > works > > > there. > > > > Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks > > closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. > > > > I've never been to the other store(s?). > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 08:22:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: Message-ID: <39DB2EFA.78331093@tcfreenet.org> Adam Maloney wrote: > > www.tranmicro.com I believe. > > The PS/2 port dies so you have to replace the whole board? You can't > convert to a serial squeaker? USB! I accidentally plugged the keyboard into the mouse port on my 486 server. It locked the console. Blah. Beware. ;) Remote reboot and it was okay though... Really odd and annoying... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 4 08:29:36 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: Message-ID: <00a301c02e07$2440d010$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I use the serial port for the occasional fax through my sportster. I don't like haveing defective hardware anyway. Compaq shit. Funny thing is that the mouse works OK under windows - then I open X-Windows (either 3.3.6 or 4.0.1 under Linux or FreeBSD) and the mouse jumps all over and gets stuck in the upper left corner. If I reboot back to Windows 2000, the login screen never comes up at that point. So, it appears there is more of a bus problem then just the port. The board has been a nightmare anyway - no BIOS options at all, and it uses the AMD750/VIA82C686A chipsets. The former sucks. I was thinking I would upgrade the board and then add SDRAM133. Why is some of the RAM "not recommended" for AMD? It only appears to be the generic stuff and it only appears to be listed that way at Tran Micro. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > www.tranmicro.com I believe. > > The PS/2 port dies so you have to replace the whole board? You can't > convert to a serial squeaker? > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Does Tran Micro have a website? My PC's PS/2 port just died last night - > > which means I need to replace the entire motherboard. What a rip. Anyway, > > I may as well get a new case and some memory and I would like to compare > > them to General Nanosystems. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Hicks" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > > > > Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here in > > the > > > > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an > > online > > > > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that > > works > > > > there. > > > > > > Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks > > > closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. > > > > > > I've never been to the other store(s?). > > > > > > -- > > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. > > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You > > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. > > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 4 08:30:49 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <39DB2EFA.78331093@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <00aa01c02e07$4ff6ff90$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Yes - a USB mouse is definitely an option. Seems like a waste of bandwidth for a simple pointing device, but then I don't use USB for anything else except my scanner. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > www.tranmicro.com I believe. > > > > The PS/2 port dies so you have to replace the whole board? You can't > > convert to a serial squeaker? > > USB! > > I accidentally plugged the keyboard into the mouse port on my 486 > server. It locked the console. Blah. Beware. ;) Remote reboot and it was > okay though... Really odd and annoying... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Oct 4 08:34:38 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22107] question about kernel compile for Red Hat Message-ID: <14811.12782.840000.288922@htc.honeywell.com> I finally did my first kernel compile over the past couple of days, and actually found it to give me a real satisfying feeling of better understanding Linux. But I have one remaining problem. When I boot up my machine, it prints a whole bunch of information about what it's doing. This seems to be some sort of RedHat-specific thing, since it doesn't appear in dmesg. What I see is a bunch of things like: Starting Kernel services [completed] ..... At any rate, one of these is Searching for new hardware [FAILED] This isn't critical to me, but bothers me a little. My guess is that there's some configuration argument to the kernel compilation that I've got wrong. I believe that this has something to do with kudzu. If anyone could point me to the solution, I'd appreciate it. thanks! R --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Oct 4 08:36:49 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <00a301c02e07$2440d010$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: Bo knows baseball, Tran knows RAM. He probably doesn't want you to use the super-cheap 133 stuff because he knows it's crap. He offers it so he can say he's got PC-133 DIMMs as cheap as the next guy, but the ultra-cheap RAM probably can't keep up at 133MHz indefinately. He would hate for you to buy an expensive Athlon system with 133MHz fsb and then have it dog because you bought el-cheapo RAM. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I use the serial port for the occasional fax through my sportster. I don't > like haveing defective hardware anyway. Compaq shit. > > Funny thing is that the mouse works OK under windows - then I open X-Windows > (either 3.3.6 or 4.0.1 under Linux or FreeBSD) and the mouse jumps all over > and gets stuck in the upper left corner. If I reboot back to Windows 2000, > the login screen never comes up at that point. So, it appears there is more > of a bus problem then just the port. The board has been a nightmare > anyway - no BIOS options at all, and it uses the AMD750/VIA82C686A chipsets. > The former sucks. I was thinking I would upgrade the board and then add > SDRAM133. > > Why is some of the RAM "not recommended" for AMD? It only appears to be the > generic stuff and it only appears to be listed that way at Tran Micro. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > www.tranmicro.com I believe. > > > > The PS/2 port dies so you have to replace the whole board? You can't > > convert to a serial squeaker? > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > Does Tran Micro have a website? My PC's PS/2 port just died last > night - > > > which means I need to replace the entire motherboard. What a rip. > Anyway, > > > I may as well get a new case and some memory and I would like to compare > > > them to General Nanosystems. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mike Hicks" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here > in > > > the > > > > > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an > > > online > > > > > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that > > > works > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks > > > > closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. > > > > > > > > I've never been to the other store(s?). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. > > > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You > > > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. > > > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 4 08:51:43 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:05:39 -0500" References: <39DA54CF.69AD975B@ltiflex.com> <20001003182101.A30887@knicknack.net> <39DB2B23.56D03D56@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Callum Lerwick writes: > > Mindbright also released a version of their java ssh client that hooks enables > > VNC to work directly over ssh, so you don't have to start up a connection in > > another tty, then start VNC. > > http://www.mindbright.com/english/technology/products/mindvnc.html > > How can* you set up a ssh tunnel without a login? I've just done > something like ssh -c "sleep 60" which gives me 60 seconds to make the > connection... You can't. You have to do something, exporting an xterm counts though. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Oct 4 09:00:56 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22110] lpd annoyance Message-ID: <39DB3818.46EE5029@innominatus.com> Can anyone tell me how to eliminate the extra sheet of paper printed on by LPD that states just for lines of information. Host: User: etc.. (BTW, I run Unstable Debian) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Oct 4 09:00:36 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22107] question about kernel compile for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <14811.12782.840000.288922@htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:34:38AM -0500 References: <14811.12782.840000.288922@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20001004090036.D80898@acm.cs.umn.edu> > > Searching for new hardware [FAILED] > That's just kudzu checking for new hardware. It's an evil demon and must be slayed. Wield chkconfig --level 2345 kudzu off and you'll slay the beast :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 4 09:09:28 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: Message-ID: <00cd01c02e0c$b6656f00$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> It says the same thing for the SDRAM100. I am thinking it does not get along well with the 200MHz FSB. I suppose there is some kind of multiplexing going on or some odd conversion. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > Bo knows baseball, Tran knows RAM. He probably doesn't want you to use > the super-cheap 133 stuff because he knows it's crap. He offers it so he > can say he's got PC-133 DIMMs as cheap as the next guy, but the > ultra-cheap RAM probably can't keep up at 133MHz indefinately. He would > hate for you to buy an expensive Athlon system with 133MHz fsb and then > have it dog because you bought el-cheapo RAM. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > I use the serial port for the occasional fax through my sportster. I don't > > like haveing defective hardware anyway. Compaq shit. > > > > Funny thing is that the mouse works OK under windows - then I open X-Windows > > (either 3.3.6 or 4.0.1 under Linux or FreeBSD) and the mouse jumps all over > > and gets stuck in the upper left corner. If I reboot back to Windows 2000, > > the login screen never comes up at that point. So, it appears there is more > > of a bus problem then just the port. The board has been a nightmare > > anyway - no BIOS options at all, and it uses the AMD750/VIA82C686A chipsets. > > The former sucks. I was thinking I would upgrade the board and then add > > SDRAM133. > > > > Why is some of the RAM "not recommended" for AMD? It only appears to be the > > generic stuff and it only appears to be listed that way at Tran Micro. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Maloney" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > > > > www.tranmicro.com I believe. > > > > > > The PS/2 port dies so you have to replace the whole board? You can't > > > convert to a serial squeaker? > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > Does Tran Micro have a website? My PC's PS/2 port just died last > > night - > > > > which means I need to replace the entire motherboard. What a rip. > > Anyway, > > > > I may as well get a new case and some memory and I would like to compare > > > > them to General Nanosystems. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mike Hicks" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to know what stores sell individual computer components here > > in > > > > the > > > > > > Twin Cities. I need to build a new system and don't want wait for an > > > > online > > > > > > order to arrive. Not CompUSA and Best Buy. No offense to anyone that > > > > works > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > Heh, I go to Tran Micro (1 block away) because they are two blocks > > > > > closer to me than General Nano (3 blocks away).. > > > > > > > > > > I've never been to the other store(s?). > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We are Pentium of Borg. > > > > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Division is futile. You > > > > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) will be approximated. > > > > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 09:27:51 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22107] question about kernel compile for Red Hat References: <14811.12782.840000.288922@htc.honeywell.com> <20001004090036.D80898@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39DB3E67.845A504F@tcfreenet.org> "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > > > > > Searching for new hardware [FAILED] > > > That's just kudzu checking for new hardware. It's an evil demon and must > be slayed. Wield > > chkconfig --level 2345 kudzu off > > and you'll slay the beast :) Why stop there? rpm -e the sucker. And linuxconfig too while your at it. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Wed Oct 4 02:00:22 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22110] lpd annoyance Message-ID: <200010040700.CAA25270@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Jason J wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to eliminate the extra sheet of paper printed on > by LPD that states just for lines of information. lpr -h --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 09:29:20 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <39DB2EFA.78331093@tcfreenet.org> <00aa01c02e07$4ff6ff90$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39DB3EC0.830A9CFA@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Yes - a USB mouse is definitely an option. Seems like a waste of bandwidth > for a simple pointing device, but then I don't use USB for anything else > except my scanner. Get one of those nice shiny glowing optical MS mice. They all do USB anyway. ;) The mouse keeping up with a 100hz refresh is a rather nice use of bandwidth... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 09:33:25 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22116] Sealing the lid. Message-ID: <39DB3FB5.B93EC4E9@tcfreenet.org> Alright, so I got LIDS and openwall setup on my firewall/server box, booting cleanly with a rather minimal setup on a Debian potato system. Anyone care to hear how I did it? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 09:34:12 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC In-Reply-To: <20001003163345.D9413@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, read back orifice FAQ and comparision. > > But my question is still not answered. What is the difference between BO and > VNC? BO doesn't actually show you the screen and let you move the mouse around, does it? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 09:36:04 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm assuming this is you trying to talk to a pptp server? If you ever get > this to work let me know. I've tried numerous times and I can get connected > and authenticated and get the ppp0 device up, but when I send packets I get > unsupported protocol, or it just doesn't go through. unsupported protocol usually means you need to apply patches on the client end to get working encryption.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Oct 4 09:33:27 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22119] where is caldera's netware client Message-ID: I want to install caldera's netware client, without installing there OpenLinux distro. Is this possible? I've searched all over their web site and I can't find there netware client -- only the docs (old download links are redirected to the docs page). Any Ideas? Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cgahlon at citilink.com Wed Oct 4 09:50:04 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22116] Sealing the lid. References: <39DB3FB5.B93EC4E9@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39DB439C.78ED19D8@citilink.com> Speak up man! I'm putting together a potato based firewall for our office and would appreciate any pointers. I picked up Robert L. Ziegler's book "Linux Firewalls". It's pretty comprehensive but doesn't mention a word about kernel patches/addons like LIDS and Openwall. Christopher Gahlon BLS Carpets 612-978-2520 Callum Lerwick wrote: > Alright, so I got LIDS and openwall setup on my firewall/server box, > booting cleanly with a rather minimal setup on a Debian potato system. > Anyone care to hear how I did it? ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Oct 4 09:49:06 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22116] Sealing the lid. References: <39DB3FB5.B93EC4E9@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39DB4362.401AA86F@structural-wood.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Alright, so I got LIDS and openwall setup on my firewall/server box, > booting cleanly with a rather minimal setup on a Debian potato system. > Anyone care to hear how I did it? ;) > > Please expound... (Really!) Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 10:00:12 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22119] where is caldera's netware client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001004095713.00a257f0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Hi, At 09:33 AM 10/4/00 -0500, you wrote: >I want to install caldera's netware client, without installing there >OpenLinux distro. Is this possible? I've searched all over their web site >and I can't find there netware client -- only the docs (old download links >are redirected to the docs page). Any Ideas? I found it on the Caldera FTP site - but be forewarned that it was not a simple matter getting it to work on other distros - in my case Slackware. I finally got it working reliably, but I had to totally discard the Caldera startup / shutdown scripts and do everything manually at boot / login time. I would be interested in a project that would make the Netware client more universal. "I find your lack of NDS support disturbing, Commander." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 10:04:02 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22123] OT: AT&T SystemV Unix 2.1 R4 hardware Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001004100017.00a26a90@pop.mpls.uswest.net> I am curious what hardware runs AT&T System V UNIX (v2.1 r4). I see repeated references to "Intel Hardware" on the web - but does this mean it works on x86 ? Any idea how I would install it? TIA, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 4 10:08:21 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Nate Carlson's message of "Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:36:04 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On 4 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > > I'm assuming this is you trying to talk to a pptp server? If you ever get > > this to work let me know. I've tried numerous times and I can get connected > > and authenticated and get the ppp0 device up, but when I send packets I get > > unsupported protocol, or it just doesn't go through. > > unsupported protocol usually means you need to apply patches on the client > end to get working encryption.. :) I am the client and I have applied all the patches to the kernel for mppe. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 10:38:13 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22093] Next TCLUG meeting/Installfest - LUNCH? In-Reply-To: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001004100539.00a25570@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Just a little thing that is on my mind, How about we come up with a plan for lunch? At a recent Installfest, I brought a lunch along only to discover that a great quantity of pizza and pop were being provided by the generous folks at RealTime. Last time around, I brought no lunch to Benchmark, and learned that none was being provided. Is it possible that the Installfest postings could also contain info as to: 1) Whether or not lunch is being provided; for volunteers or for all attending. 2) If #1 is no, could there be a group plan to order pizza, subs, Asian etc for delivery or pickup? 3) If #1 and #2 are no, what the local options are for getting food. As in, do we have any alternatives to corporate fast-food gak? At Benchmark, Byerly's is nearby, and (IMO) just about anyone can find something good to eat at Byerly's. 4) Finally, are there any locally available counselling services for cases like Ben Lutgens, who was visibly shaken after becoming aware of my eager consumption of several orders of sushi at the last Installfest? ;) Bill Always thinking.... I think. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 4 10:55:33 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22093] Next TCLUG meeting/Installfest - LUNCH? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001004100539.00a25570@pop.mpls.uswest.net> References: <4.2.2.20001004100539.00a25570@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <970674933.39db52f529824@www.fandre.com> I wouldn't mind getting a order in the morning and having something delivered. That could be part of the online registration whenever it becomes available. Clay Quoting Bill Layer : > Just a little thing that is on my mind, > > How about we come up with a plan for lunch? At a recent Installfest, I > brought a lunch along only to discover that a great quantity of pizza > and > pop were being provided by the generous folks at RealTime. Last time > around, I brought no lunch to Benchmark, and learned that none was being > > provided. Is it possible that the Installfest postings could also > contain > info as to: > > 1) Whether or not lunch is being provided; for volunteers or for all > attending. > > 2) If #1 is no, could there be a group plan to order pizza, subs, Asian > etc > for delivery or pickup? > > 3) If #1 and #2 are no, what the local options are for getting food. As > in, > do we have any alternatives to corporate fast-food gak? At Benchmark, > Byerly's is nearby, and (IMO) just about anyone can find something good > to > eat at Byerly's. > > 4) Finally, are there any locally available counselling services for > cases > like Ben Lutgens, who was visibly shaken after becoming aware of my > eager > consumption of several orders of sushi at the last Installfest? ;) > > Bill > Always thinking.... I think. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 11:05:07 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22093] Next TCLUG meeting/Installfest - LUNCH? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001004100539.00a25570@pop.mpls.uswest.net>; from blayer@uswest.net on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 10:38:13AM -0500 References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20001004100539.00a25570@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001004110507.I4620@real-time.com> > How about we come up with a plan for lunch? At a recent Installfest, I > brought a lunch along only to discover that a great quantity of pizza and > pop were being provided by the generous folks at RealTime. Last time > around, I brought no lunch to Benchmark, and learned that none was being > provided. at SCALUG, they usually go out to eat at Godfather's Pizza afterwards. I was rather surprised that this wasn't normal at TCLUG meetings. Installfests are another matter entirely, tho. Personally, I'm the sort to just starve, because it wastes less time; but even so, I'd rather be eating if other people are doing so. :) I'm all in favor of having some sort of sign-up for pizza at the installfest. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 4 11:23:46 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC Message-ID: I push F8 and get a nice pop up with options. Kelly Black >From: barnabas@knicknack.net >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:21:01 -0500 > >On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Of course the unix client doesn't have a way to send a CTRL-ALT-DEL, so > > every time my Windows workstation meets it's maker I have to switch the > > keyboard over and finger it manually. > > > >Under X, I just hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and it works just fine. This all >assumes that the Winders machine is still able to talk to the rest of >the world. > > > If you're considering using BO, don't. Remember why it was released, >and > > who released it. It may be 100% clean, but I wouldn't trust CDC to not > > have put something nasty in it. > > > > VNC is only good over a local network, I use it over DSL only in a >pinch. > > PCAnywhere is much better suited to slower lines, it has better > > compression and optimization for low-speed. Also, the windows server is > > terribly inefficient because they don't have access to all the API's. >The > > unix server is much faster, so if you can you should run the server on > > unix and VNC in from the windows machine. It's unseeming, but faster. > > > >I actually have reasonably good response using VNC over compressed >SSH. Using my 144 k IDSL connection, a full 1024x768 screen with >minimal colors paints in probably 2-3 seconds. > >Someone else asked about instructions. From home, I just ssh (-C) >into my Linux box at work. Then running vncviewer from that box to a >Winders box on the network sends the output to my display at home due >to ssh's built in X redirection. > >There is also a way to use ssh's port redirection to do the same >thing. I believe it is documented in the FAQ on VNC's web site, >http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > >Eric > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 11:39:57 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22116] Sealing the lid. References: <39DB3FB5.B93EC4E9@tcfreenet.org> <39DB439C.78ED19D8@citilink.com> Message-ID: <39DB5D5D.B0709F1C@tcfreenet.org> Alright, so you grab the latest patch and follow the instructions. I'm not going to repeat stuff. ;) On to debian implementation specifics. lidsadm has changed from the howto's though, and the whole package suffers from english-is-my-second-languagitis. :P Maybe I should volunteer to fix that. ;) To make a directory/file read only you use: lidsadm -A -o /path/or/file -j READ Looks a bit like ipchains... Protect these paths: /boot (I put vmlinuz in /boot. If you've got it in root, protect /vmlinuz. Heck, protecting / might not be a bad idea...) /lib /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/lib /etc/init.d The docs say to protect /etc itself, but debian puts stuff in subdirs so you should probably protect all them too, I haven't seen anything for making all subdirs inherit. I was slapping this up late at night so was too lazy to mess with it, but anyway protecting /etc/init.d makes lids happily let your init scripts run during startup because they're protected. Now, debian doesn't have an rc.local. I have to write a sysv init script, whee. Put a script in /etc/init.d that looks something like this: #!/bin/bash # Remove subsys lock file when stopping if [ "$1" = "stop" ] then rm -f /var/run/local exit 0 fi if [ "$1" = "start" ] then if [ -f /var/run/local ] then exit 0 fi # Create lock file touch /var/run/local /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 >/dev/console echo "Starting distributed.net client..." >/dev/console cd /usr/local/sbin/dnetc/ ./dnetc >/dev/tty9 2>&1 & cd / echo Waiting a bit before we seal the lid... # Stupid race conditions sleep 10 echo -n Sealing the lid /sbin/lidsadm -I echo . fi The last bit is the interesting bit that seals the lid. I was getting a kernel oops without the sleep. Go fig. ;P Add this local script to the end of startup with: update-rc.d local defaults 99 Now with any luck it'll start up with no complaints from lids. If you look how I have dnetc installed, I also had to protect /usr/local/sbin/dnetc/dnetc to make lids happy... I don't understand how APPEND works on directorys, it doesn't seem to inherit to the files in the dir, basically doesn't seem to do anything. What would be nice is if you could set /var/log APPEND, then give write access only to logrotate... Right now my logs are unprotected. I suppose you have to add a rule for every file, which is icky. ;P It also appears I'm not logging the new 'security' loglevel added by lids/openwall. Have to fix that... Also had a problem with something trying to load the serial module. Now that I think of it I have a getty running null modem for PPP to my Atari. Triggering the loading of serial after the lid had been shut, which disables module loading. I fixed it by adding serial to /etc/modules. Should probably protect that file... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 12:13:31 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > I am the client and I have applied all the patches to the kernel for mppe. Are you doing linux<->linux? Or Windoze<->Linux? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 4 12:24:42 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC Message-ID: Err.... make that ALT-F8 >From: "Kelly Black" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:23:46 CDT > >I push F8 and get a nice pop up with options. > >Kelly Black > > >>From: barnabas@knicknack.net >>Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC >>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:21:01 -0500 >> >>On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >> > Of course the unix client doesn't have a way to send a CTRL-ALT-DEL, so >> > every time my Windows workstation meets it's maker I have to switch the >> > keyboard over and finger it manually. >> > >> >>Under X, I just hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and it works just fine. This all >>assumes that the Winders machine is still able to talk to the rest of >>the world. >> >> > If you're considering using BO, don't. Remember why it was released, >>and >> > who released it. It may be 100% clean, but I wouldn't trust CDC to not >> > have put something nasty in it. >> > >> > VNC is only good over a local network, I use it over DSL only in a >>pinch. >> > PCAnywhere is much better suited to slower lines, it has better >> > compression and optimization for low-speed. Also, the windows server >>is >> > terribly inefficient because they don't have access to all the API's. >>The >> > unix server is much faster, so if you can you should run the server on >> > unix and VNC in from the windows machine. It's unseeming, but faster. >> > >> >>I actually have reasonably good response using VNC over compressed >>SSH. Using my 144 k IDSL connection, a full 1024x768 screen with >>minimal colors paints in probably 2-3 seconds. >> >>Someone else asked about instructions. From home, I just ssh (-C) >>into my Linux box at work. Then running vncviewer from that box to a >>Winders box on the network sends the output to my display at home due >>to ssh's built in X redirection. >> >>There is also a way to use ssh's port redirection to do the same >>thing. I believe it is documented in the FAQ on VNC's web site, >>http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. >> >> > Adam Maloney >> > Systems Administrator >> > Sihope Communications >> > >> >>Eric >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 12:43:55 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22132] Dual-Boot Problem Message-ID: <39DB6C5B.D9282471@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all: I had a working dual-boot environment between NT and Debian. I am using the BootPart utility. I had my laptop upgraded and I moved everything over using Norton Ghost. The NT booted fine but when I selected Linux from the NT Boot Commander, the BootPart utility could not find LILO. Using my rescue disk, I booted into Debian and did an /sbin/lilo, thinking that LILO needed updating because the size of the harddrive had changed. After rebooting, I still cannot boot into Debian unless I use the rescue disk. The laptop is pretty much the same: same model, larger harddrive, bigger screen. Any thoughts on what went wrong? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Oct 4 13:41:01 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22133] sending mail Message-ID: <002901c02e32$a500a7e0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Hi all, Just a small problem using the command line "mail" program. I want to be able to send a message to an internet email account. I think the "/etc/mail.rc" file needs to be edited but I'm not sure of the syntax. How do I specify the smtp server and such? Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Oct 4 13:51:30 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22133] sending mail In-Reply-To: <002901c02e32$a500a7e0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org>; from jon.erickson@neicoltech.org on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:41:01PM -0500 References: <002901c02e32$a500a7e0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <20001004135130.H80898@acm.cs.umn.edu> Well, with mail you can't specify an smtp server. It just gives the message to your locally running sendmail and then sendmail sends it off. If you're trying to send an email to joe@blah.com, you just type mail joe@blah.com The message will appear to joe as if it came from the machine that you sent it from. In order to make it appear that it came from you@yoursmtpserver.com you'll have to use a bit more sophisticated MUA. HTH, Gabe On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:41:01PM -0500, Jonathan Erickson wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a small problem using the command line "mail" program. I want to be > able to send a message to an internet email account. I think the > "/etc/mail.rc" file needs to be edited but I'm not sure of the syntax. How > do I specify the smtp server and such? > > Jon > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cleyda at yahoo.com Wed Oct 4 14:15:22 2000 From: cleyda at yahoo.com (Charles Leyda) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22123] OT: AT&T SystemV Unix 2.1 R4 hardware Message-ID: <20001004191522.12291.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill Layer wrote: > I am curious what hardware runs AT&T System V UNIX > (v2.1 r4). I see > repeated references to "Intel Hardware" on the web - > but does this mean it > works on x86 ? > > Any idea how I would install it? > > TIA, > Bill > I had unix back to V 1.0 on an Ncr 3345 sytem which was on a Micro Channel system. I think is till have the 5.25 tape cartrifdge for installation. That version would have the the Year 2000 problems. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Oct 4 14:15:52 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22133] sending mail In-Reply-To: <20001004135130.H80898@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003501c02e37$83683ee0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Thanks Gabe! Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Turner (officer) [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:52 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22133] sending mail > > > Well, with mail you can't specify an smtp server. It just gives the > message to your locally running sendmail and then sendmail sends it off. > If you're trying to send an email to joe@blah.com, you just type > > mail joe@blah.com > > The message will appear to joe as if it came from the machine > that you sent > it from. In order to make it appear that it came from > you@yoursmtpserver.com you'll have to use a bit more sophisticated MUA. > > HTH, > > Gabe > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:41:01PM -0500, Jonathan Erickson wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just a small problem using the command line "mail" program. I > want to be > > able to send a message to an internet email account. I think the > > "/etc/mail.rc" file needs to be edited but I'm not sure of the > syntax. How > > do I specify the smtp server and such? > > > > Jon > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mbp at geomtech.com Wed Oct 4 12:03:30 2000 From: mbp at geomtech.com (Mark Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions Message-ID: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the first question is: any recommendations? Specifically, I've had a Dell Inspiron 3000 (with Windows, not Linux) for several years and have liked it a lot, so I was thinking about getting an Inspiron 7500 from Dell, preloaded with Linux, so that I don't have to spend much time setting it up, and because of my good experience with Dell in the past. The problem is that for reasons that no one at Dell can tell me, they won't sell a Linux laptop with a hard drive larger than 6GB. The same laptops with Windows can have hard drives up to 20GB or maybe 30GB. Other vendors that sell laptops preloaded with Linux do offer larger disk drives. Does anyone out there have any idea why Dell might have this restriction? Are the Linux drivers for larger laptop hard drives less stable, for example? A couple of related questions: 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware will work with Linux. 2. Does anyone have any experience with support from some of the other Linux laptop companies, such as ASL or Tuxtops? Are they dependable? Can I be confident that they'll still be around to service the thing if it develops problems in a couple of years? I'd appreciate hearing any thoughts about any of these things. Thanks! --Mark Mark Phillips @ Geometry Technologies, Inc. Suite 550, 413 Wacouta St., St. Paul, MN 55101 Phone: 651-223-2884 Fax: 651-292-0014 mbp@geomtech.com http://www.geomtech.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 14:52:33 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com>; from mbp@geomtech.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:03:30PM -0500 References: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <20001004145233.P4620@real-time.com> > I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the > first question is: any recommendations? personally, I like IBMs. I like how the keyboard feels, and I prefer the joybutton to a trackpad. at my last job, we had field reps who abused their computers pretty badly, and IBMs seemed to hold up as well as any and better than most (better than Compaqs, Dells, and Zeniths). We were getting used computers tho; so our sample may have been biased. (We had a lot of Dells that were DOA; compaq screens and floppy drives tended to go bad, and Zenith screens went bad). on IBMs, when the screens went bad, at least it wasn't usually a catastrophic failure.. usually the bottom half of the screen would have a series of vertical black lines. something to do with water dripping down the face of the screen and getting into the screen casing. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 14:54:44 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Mark Phillips wrote: > I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the > first question is: any recommendations? Sony rocks. I've got a VAIO PCG-F390; Bob has the F590.. both of 'em are great. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 14:59:27 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions References: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <39DB8C1F.EF4EAD3@uswest.net> Mark, Speaking for myself, I run a dual-boot IBM ThinkPad 1400 series, and the COL 2.4 install went without a hitch. I am very new to Linux, and it was something of a relief to have such an easy install. I did consult the Linux for Laptops website: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ which had several links to ThinkPad-related installation help. I highly recommend checking there just to see what sorts of issues people have had when installing on their various laptops. If you decide to buy a pre-installed laptop, then of course it may not be an issue -- unless you decide to make any changes or update your system :-) Anyway, good luck. With your stated experience, I think you should have no trouble at all. Dave Mark Phillips wrote: > A couple of related questions: > > 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, > say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it > myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in > for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but > never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if > it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then > I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to > have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and > double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware > will work with Linux. > > 2. Does anyone have any experience with support from some of the > other Linux laptop companies, such as ASL or Tuxtops? Are > they dependable? Can I be confident that they'll still be around > to service the thing if it develops problems in a couple of years? > > I'd appreciate hearing any thoughts about any of these things. Thanks! > > --Mark > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 15:00:54 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions References: Message-ID: <39DB8C76.7B4CEB93@mn.uswest.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Mark Phillips wrote: > > I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the > > first question is: any recommendations? > I would NOT recommend Compaq. I have Debian running on an (sort-of, see earlier today post) Armada E500 and it has not been pretty. Now I believe I cannot use the internal Ethernet port on this new E500. I have no mention of support for the Mini-PCI. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 4 15:22:53 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: I just rolled out 23 new dell latitudes running linux.. they didn't come pre-installed, but other than the sound card (had to buy OSS/Linux) and the winmodem.. things worked great. (and i'm happy to say, the sales guys havn't been able to break linux yet :) i had a couple DOA's tho.. not happy about that.. tho the dell service guy (unisys) was quick, and fixed the problem.. next day service worked exactly as it was supposed to. personaly, if i had the budjet (major motivating factor in the laptop buy) that wasn't so restrictive, i would have gone with IBM thinkpad A20's with linux pre-installed.. but it's not a perfect world.. by the way.. the insperon systems are not as nice as the latitude.. I like the latitude's dual pointing device tho.. nice to be able to change between stick, and pad mouse. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Mark Phillips wrote: > > I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the > first question is: any recommendations? > > Specifically, I've had a Dell Inspiron 3000 (with Windows, not Linux) > for several years and have liked it a lot, so I was thinking about > getting an Inspiron 7500 from Dell, preloaded with Linux, so that I > don't have to spend much time setting it up, and because of my good > experience with Dell in the past. > > The problem is that for reasons that no one at Dell can tell me, > they won't sell a Linux laptop with a hard drive larger than 6GB. > The same laptops with Windows can have hard drives up to 20GB > or maybe 30GB. > > Other vendors that sell laptops preloaded with Linux do offer larger > disk drives. Does anyone out there have any idea why Dell might have > this restriction? Are the Linux drivers for larger laptop hard drives > less stable, for example? > > A couple of related questions: > > 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, > say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it > myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in > for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but > never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if > it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then > I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to > have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and > double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware > will work with Linux. > > 2. Does anyone have any experience with support from some of the > other Linux laptop companies, such as ASL or Tuxtops? Are > they dependable? Can I be confident that they'll still be around > to service the thing if it develops problems in a couple of years? > > I'd appreciate hearing any thoughts about any of these things. Thanks! > > --Mark > > Mark Phillips @ Geometry Technologies, Inc. > Suite 550, 413 Wacouta St., St. Paul, MN 55101 > Phone: 651-223-2884 Fax: 651-292-0014 > mbp@geomtech.com http://www.geomtech.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 4 15:28:44 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <39DB8C76.7B4CEB93@mn.uswest.net> References: <39DB8C76.7B4CEB93@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <970691324.39db92fc9eb24@www.fandre.com> Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > > I would NOT recommend Compaq. I have Debian running on an (sort-of, see > earlier today post) Armada E500 and it has not been pretty. Now I > believe I cannot use the internal Ethernet port on this new E500. I > have no mention of support for the Mini-PCI. > I disagree. I have an Compaq E500 also and RH7 installed on it flawlessly. It even detected the display/video and sound. But I don't have the build-in ethernet like Nate does. I'm using a xircom pcmcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Oct 4 15:30:10 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <003801c02e41$e4568040$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> I have an IBM ThinkPad 390X running linux and have been very pleased with it. The only thing that doesn't seem to be supported is the WinModem. If you go for a ThinkPad, I'd recommend getting it without the IBM 10/100 Etherjet Cardbus adapter and buy one that has more support in the linux community. I'm just about to make the change from a 390X to an A20 model and I'll post my results later to let everyone know how it goes. Jon Erickson NEI College of Technology > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Phillips [mailto:mbp@geomtech.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 12:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions > > > > I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the > first question is: any recommendations? > > Specifically, I've had a Dell Inspiron 3000 (with Windows, not Linux) > for several years and have liked it a lot, so I was thinking about > getting an Inspiron 7500 from Dell, preloaded with Linux, so that I > don't have to spend much time setting it up, and because of my good > experience with Dell in the past. > > The problem is that for reasons that no one at Dell can tell me, > they won't sell a Linux laptop with a hard drive larger than 6GB. > The same laptops with Windows can have hard drives up to 20GB > or maybe 30GB. > > Other vendors that sell laptops preloaded with Linux do offer larger > disk drives. Does anyone out there have any idea why Dell might have > this restriction? Are the Linux drivers for larger laptop hard drives > less stable, for example? > > A couple of related questions: > > 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, > say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it > myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in > for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but > never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if > it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then > I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to > have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and > double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware > will work with Linux. > > 2. Does anyone have any experience with support from some of the > other Linux laptop companies, such as ASL or Tuxtops? Are > they dependable? Can I be confident that they'll still be around > to service the thing if it develops problems in a couple of years? > > I'd appreciate hearing any thoughts about any of these things. Thanks! > > --Mark > > Mark Phillips @ Geometry Technologies, Inc. > Suite 550, 413 Wacouta St., St. Paul, MN 55101 > Phone: 651-223-2884 Fax: 651-292-0014 > mbp@geomtech.com http://www.geomtech.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 15:34:50 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions References: <39DB8C76.7B4CEB93@mn.uswest.net> <970691324.39db92fc9eb24@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39DB946A.C8018DF6@mn.uswest.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Quoting Perry Hoekstra : > > > > > I would NOT recommend Compaq. I have Debian running on an (sort-of, see > > earlier today post) Armada E500 and it has not been pretty. Now I > > believe I cannot use the internal Ethernet port on this new E500. I > > have no mention of support for the Mini-PCI. > > > > I disagree. I have an Compaq E500 also and RH7 installed on it flawlessly. It > even detected the display/video and sound. But I don't have the build-in > ethernet like Nate does. I'm using a xircom pcmcia. The Xircom PCMCIA is what I had. I was upgraded to a different level of E500 that has a Mini-PCI NIC. When I installed Debian on my earlier E500, it did not detect sound and I just have not had time to mess with it. Does Nate have an E500 with embedded NIC? What is his solution to the Mini-PCI problem? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Oct 4 15:56:50 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22146] Tracking an IP address. Message-ID: <001501c02e45$9e00af40$650aa8c0@cccu.com> I was sure this subject had come up before, but I can't find any reference to it -- does anybody have any tips on tracking down an IP address on the Internet that has no reverse-lookup entry and blocks traceroute? I'm getting an alarming number of internal attempts to access an outside website without permission, and I have no idea whether it's some evil spam or just Internet Explorer Update doing its thing... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 16:17:19 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22147] Video Servering from Linux Message-ID: <20001004161719.L8909@real-time.com> Any open source video servers for linux? Any recommendation for video server for linux (commerical or open source)? I am talking streaming video servers, not clients. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 16:18:03 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <39DB946A.C8018DF6@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > I would NOT recommend Compaq. I have Debian running on an (sort-of, see > > > earlier today post) Armada E500 and it has not been pretty. Now I > > > believe I cannot use the internal Ethernet port on this new E500. I > > > have no mention of support for the Mini-PCI. > > > > > > > I disagree. I have an Compaq E500 also and RH7 installed on it flawlessly. It > > even detected the display/video and sound. But I don't have the build-in > > ethernet like Nate does. I'm using a xircom pcmcia. > > The Xircom PCMCIA is what I had. I was upgraded to a different level of > E500 that has a Mini-PCI NIC. When I installed Debian on my earlier > E500, it did not detect sound and I just have not had time to mess with > it. Does Nate have an E500 with embedded NIC? What is his solution to > the Mini-PCI problem? I have a Sony, not a IBM. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Wed Oct 4 16:22:48 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22147] Video Servering from Linux References: <20001004161719.L8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DB9FA8.AD4291F3@usfamily.net> Doesnt real have linux video server? I have the one for windows and I think they had linux also but I'm not certain. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 16:19:43 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22146] Tracking an IP address. In-Reply-To: <001501c02e45$9e00af40$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > I was sure this subject had come up before, but I can't find any reference to > it -- does anybody have any tips on tracking down an IP address on the Internet > that has no reverse-lookup entry and blocks traceroute? I'm getting an > alarming number of internal attempts to access an outside website without > permission, and I have no idea whether it's some evil spam or just Internet > Explorer Update doing its thing... (my version of whois automagically queries the right server, in this case whois.arin.net..) [natecars@oracle natecars]$ whois 206.10.252.1 [No name] (NS3738-HST) NS.REAL-TIME.COM 206.10.252.1 Minnesota Regional Network (NETBLK-MRNET-C-BLOCK8) MRNET-C-BLOCK8 206.8.0.0 - 206.11.255.255 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. (NETBLK-REAL-TIME1) REAL-TIME1 206.10.252.0 - 206.10.253.255 To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. [natecars@oracle natecars]$ whois 'NETBLK-REAL-TIME1' Real Time Enterprises, Inc. (NETBLK-REAL-TIME1) 10181 Crosstown Circle Eden Prairie, MN 55344 US Netname: REAL-TIME1 Netblock: 206.10.252.0 - 206.10.253.255 Coordinator: Master, Host (HM170-ARIN) hostmaster@REAL-TIME.COM 612-943-8700 Record last updated on 18-Jun-1999. Database last updated on 4-Oct-2000 07:16:53 EDT. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. ...that'll at least get you to the ISP, probably.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 4 16:20:04 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22146] Tracking an IP address. In-Reply-To: <001501c02e45$9e00af40$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: whois ipaddress@whois.arin.net Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > I was sure this subject had come up before, but I can't find any reference to > it -- does anybody have any tips on tracking down an IP address on the Internet > that has no reverse-lookup entry and blocks traceroute? I'm getting an > alarming number of internal attempts to access an outside website without > permission, and I have no idea whether it's some evil spam or just Internet > Explorer Update doing its thing... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Oct 4 16:20:11 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22146] Tracking an IP address. In-Reply-To: <001501c02e45$9e00af40$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: You can do a whois using the ARIN whois server: whois ip.address@whois.arin.net you can also try a traceroute: traceroute ip.address and look at the hops immediately before the IP, that would be the internet provider(s). Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > I was sure this subject had come up before, but I can't find any reference to > it -- does anybody have any tips on tracking down an IP address on the Internet > that has no reverse-lookup entry and blocks traceroute? I'm getting an > alarming number of internal attempts to access an outside website without > permission, and I have no idea whether it's some evil spam or just Internet > Explorer Update doing its thing... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 4 16:20:35 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22147] Video Servering from Linux In-Reply-To: <20001004161719.L8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: hrm.. i thought real networks had something for linux. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any open source video servers for linux? > > Any recommendation for video server for linux (commerical or open source)? > > I am talking streaming video servers, not clients. :-) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 17:16:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22154] CDRs for installfest Message-ID: <20001004171618.U8909@real-time.com> I'll be bringing gladiator to the installfest. Mini-FAQ for installfest: Q: What is gladiator? A: A linux box with tons of disk space and a cd burner. Q: That's nice, what does that mean for me? A: Since we are mirroring debian, redhat and slackware to gladiator we can burn you a copy, if you do desire. Q: Burn a cd? A: Yes, if want to bring your CDRs we can make cds of your favorite distribution. Q: I don't want to buy 50 CDRs just for 2 CDs of my favorite distro. Can I buy CDRs at the installfest? A: Yes, I'll be selling CDRs for $1 each. Q: Will that idiot Ben be there? A: I will draw him a map with his favorite color crayon, so I think he will make it. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 4 18:02:23 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22155] Samba as WINS server Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm haven't completely exorcised the demons that are possessing my server. Now my Win95 users are unable to print, and it seems that a problem with the samba config, specifically settings for a WINS server, appears to the be the problem. Here's the log: thales:/home/wilsont# tail /var/log/nmb [2000/10/04 06:59:40, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(180) process_name_refresh_request: unicast name registration request received for name EINSTEIN<03> from IP 10.22.100.52 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. [2000/10/04 06:59:40, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(181) Error - should be sent to WINS server [2000/10/04 06:59:40, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(180) process_name_refresh_request: unicast name registration request received for name EINSTEIN<00> from IP 10.22.100.52 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. [2000/10/04 06:59:40, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(181) Error - should be sent to WINS server [2000/10/04 07:01:24, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(180) process_name_refresh_request: unicast name registration request received for name SCIENCE<00> from IP 10.22.100.58 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. What's strange is that I've never had to worry about a WINS server before. I didn't change anything. I don't currently have a WINS server set up in smb.conf. Any wisdom from Samba gurus out there? I must admit I'm rather clueless about SMB networking and WINS in particular. Must I make my server act like a WINS server to keep the Win95 clients happy? Any advice would be appreciated. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cory at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 18:26:06 2000 From: cory at real-time.com (cory@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22156] Re: Next TCLUG meeting/Installfest References: <39DBBAED.ACB13332@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DBBC8E.B82F030@real-time.com> andy@theasis .com wrote: > Bummer, I'll still be in Atlanta for ALS. > How many others will be also? > > Andy > I'll be going. I went to ALS in '99 and '98 as well. I've sort of made it my yearly vacation. Cory Hollingsworth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 4 18:59:49 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22147] Video Servering from Linux References: <20001004161719.L8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DBC475.EDF7943D@tcfreenet.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Any open source video servers for linux? > > Any recommendation for video server for linux (commerical or open source)? > > I am talking streaming video servers, not clients. :-) icecast supposedly works for any kind of stream. What are we talking here, live streaming or static files... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jh at sgi.com Wed Oct 4 19:55:15 2000 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22154] CDRs for installfest In-Reply-To: <20001004171618.U8909@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 05:16:18PM -0500 References: <20001004171618.U8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001004195515.C11943@sgi.com> Nothing against Gladiator :-), but you might also consider contacting PogoLinux. At their page for Free LINUX CDs: http://www.pogolinux.com/systems/accessories/linux/linuxcd.html they say: Note: If you belong to a Linux Users Group (LUG) that would like a large quantity of CDs to distribute, please email Customer Service for arrangements. We will gladly accomodate your request to evangelize Linux. I don't know how responsive they'll be, right now I think they're swamped with demand, as this Free LINUX CDs thing is pretty new for them. I hope they're able to stay with it! Cheers, John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 HPC Linux SGI On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 05:16:18PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'll be bringing gladiator to the installfest. > > Mini-FAQ for installfest: > > Q: What is gladiator? > > A: A linux box with tons of disk space and a cd burner. > > Q: That's nice, what does that mean for me? > > A: Since we are mirroring debian, redhat and slackware to gladiator we can burn > you a copy, if you do desire. > > Q: Burn a cd? > > A: Yes, if want to bring your CDRs we can make cds of your favorite > distribution. > > Q: I don't want to buy 50 CDRs just for 2 CDs of my favorite distro. Can I buy > CDRs at the installfest? > > A: Yes, I'll be selling CDRs for $1 each. > > Q: Will that idiot Ben be there? > > A: I will draw him a map with his favorite color crayon, so I think he will make > it. > > :-P > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 19:58:58 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22159] sparc, sparc64 and sparcv9 ? Message-ID: <20001004195858.E8909@real-time.com> Ok, what is the difference between sparc, sparc64 and sparcv9 for rpms? I just tried to compile glibc-2.1.3.21 on a ultra and it puked. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 4 20:46:02 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Nate Carlson's message of "Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:13:31 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On 4 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > > I am the client and I have applied all the patches to the kernel for mppe. > > Are you doing linux<->linux? Or Windoze<->Linux? Windows NT server, Linux client. Tried Win 2000 too, but doesn't help. I've tried 128 bit, 64 bit, state and stateless. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 21:42:00 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22161] Mailing list archives down Message-ID: <20001004214200.F8909@real-time.com> Got a problem with JServ and JDK 1.2.2 so the mailing list archives for the TCLUG are down until I can fix them. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 4 21:55:41 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG:22161] Mailing list archives down In-Reply-To: <20001004214200.F8909@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:42:00PM -0500 References: <20001004214200.F8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001004215541.G8909@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Got a problem with JServ and JDK 1.2.2 so the mailing list archives for the > TCLUG are down until I can fix them. > > Sorry. Fixed the problem. We should be back up. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Oct 4 22:58:16 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22163] Re: Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <200010050358.e953wn931562@sprite.real-time.com> On 4 Oct 00, at 12:03, Mark Phillips wrote: > A couple of related questions: > > 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, > say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it > myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in > for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but > never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if > it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then > I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to > have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and > double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware > will work with Linux. > /bin/thar > done that Insperion 7500 w/W98 preinst on 25G hd, PMagic W98 -> 18G Stuck using win apps(Autocad & MSOrf.. at work), RH 6.2 and X up and running in an afternoon (had it at the installfest at real-time, scratched RH, trying to get Debian Potatoe set up now. Let me know if you decide to go this route, I have a couple of links here somewhere that had the info on the soundcard & video. Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Oct 4 23:08:16 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22164] read an iso (no cd) Message-ID: I want to look at some file on Caldera's eDesktop (netware nds client). Unfortuntaly, I can only download the whole thing in iso form. I don't have a cd burner, nor do I want to burn the cd -- is there a way I can get access to the iso I'm downloading? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 4 23:47:10 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22164] read an iso (no cd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > I want to look at some file on Caldera's eDesktop (netware nds client). > Unfortuntaly, I can only download the whole thing in iso form. I don't > have a cd burner, nor do I want to burn the cd -- is there a way I can get > access to the iso I'm downloading? Sure. Make sure you compile your kernel with Loopback Device Support or add it in a s a module (I think it's in Block Devices?). Then do this: mount -t iso9660 -o loop filename.iso /mnt You can mount any filesystem off an image file this way. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Oct 4 23:52:53 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22154] CDRs for installfest In-Reply-To: <20001004171618.U8909@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 05:16:18PM -0500 References: <20001004171618.U8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001004235253.A13369@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 05:16:18PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >I'll be bringing gladiator to the installfest. > >Mini-FAQ for installfest: > >Q: What is gladiator? > >A: A linux box with tons of disk space and a cd burner. Alt A: Scary guy in a skirt. > >Q: That's nice, what does that mean for me? > >A: Since we are mirroring debian, redhat and slackware to gladiator we can burn >you a copy, if you do desire. Alt A: When you all realize debian is best we can make you a CD. >Q: Burn a cd? > >A: Yes, if want to bring your CDRs we can make cds of your favorite >distribution. Alt A: Yes, we can copy your win98 cd's to use as coasters for your coffee cup in your cube. Like that idiot ben does at Sistina. > >Q: I don't want to buy 50 CDRs just for 2 CDs of my favorite distro. Can I buy >CDRs at the installfest? > >A: Yes, I'll be selling CDRs for $1 each. > >Q: Will that idiot Ben be there? > >A: I will draw him a map with his favorite color crayon, so I think he will make >it. Alt A: No he'll be in Atlanta flirting with the Daemon Girls and getting intoxicated at VA's bash again. :-) >:-P > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Oct 4 23:54:38 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com>; from mbp@geomtech.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:03:30PM -0500 References: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <20001004235438.B13369@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:03:30PM -0500, Mark Phillips wrote: > >I'm in the market for a fairly high-end Linux laptop. So the >first question is: any recommendations? > I got a TuxTop 30W and it downright rocks. fair price too. A little bulky but light and has all the trimmings. Works great as a pillow too. :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Oct 4 23:58:57 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22168] Re: [Debian Mirror] Debian Mirror In-Reply-To: <200010050423.e954NS931795@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:23:21PM -0500 References: <200010050423.e954NS931795@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001004235856.E11937@ringworld.org> Ive got the mirroring started. FOr now we are a pull, 1x/day mirror. Ill need to talk to the ftp.eecs.umich.edu admins about push access. Otherwise, its downloading right now, might get done tommrow ;) Im grabbing sources and i386, anyone need any other platforms (ppc? sparc?) * Jay W. Anderson [001004 23:24]: > Scott & I have talked offline Re Reg'ing the mirror & we both feel > that we should get the mirror done before we reg it. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > debian-mirror mailing list > debian-mirror@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/debian-mirror -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now my Win95 users are unable to print, and it seems that a problem >with the samba config, specifically settings for a WINS server, appears to >the be the problem. Here's the log: > Maybe try not using a wins server. I never have used one. -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 612.670.4789 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ Internet Explorer (n): Another bug, that is, a feature that can't be turned off, in Windows. See also: monopoly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > Ive got the mirroring started. > > FOr now we are a pull, 1x/day mirror. > > Ill need to talk to the ftp.eecs.umich.edu admins about push access. > > Otherwise, its downloading right now, might get done tommrow ;) > > Im grabbing sources and i386, anyone need any other platforms (ppc? > sparc?) > > * Jay W. Anderson [001004 23:24]: > > Scott & I have talked offline Re Reg'ing the mirror & we both feel > > that we should get the mirror done before we reg it. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > debian-mirror mailing list > > debian-mirror@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/debian-mirror > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 00:03:05 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22171] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22164] read an iso (no cd) In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:08:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001005000305.C26824@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Luey (lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu): > I want to look at some file on Caldera's eDesktop (netware nds client). > Unfortuntaly, I can only download the whole thing in iso form. I don't > have a cd burner, nor do I want to burn the cd -- is there a way I can get > access to the iso I'm downloading? Don't think so unless you can get the remote site to mount the iso. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 00:08:31 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22168] Re: [Debian Mirror] Debian Mirror In-Reply-To: <20001004235856.E11937@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:58:57PM -0500 References: <200010050423.e954NS931795@sprite.real-time.com> <20001004235856.E11937@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001005000831.F26824@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > Ive got the mirroring started. > > FOr now we are a pull, 1x/day mirror. > > Ill need to talk to the ftp.eecs.umich.edu admins about push access. > > Otherwise, its downloading right now, might get done tommrow ;) > > Im grabbing sources and i386, anyone need any other platforms (ppc? > sparc?) Let's stick to intel for now. See what we have for disk. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Oct 5 00:11:22 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22168] Re: [Debian Mirror] Debian Mirror In-Reply-To: <20001005000831.F26824@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 12:08:31AM -0500 References: <200010050423.e954NS931795@sprite.real-time.com> <20001004235856.E11937@ringworld.org> <20001005000831.F26824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001005001122.F11937@ringworld.org> Thats my first thought too. Don't want to shortchange slackware :) * Bob Tanner [001005 00:09]: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > Ive got the mirroring started. > > > > FOr now we are a pull, 1x/day mirror. > > > > Ill need to talk to the ftp.eecs.umich.edu admins about push access. > > > > Otherwise, its downloading right now, might get done tommrow ;) > > > > Im grabbing sources and i386, anyone need any other platforms (ppc? > > sparc?) > > Let's stick to intel for now. See what we have for disk. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > debian-mirror mailing list > debian-mirror@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/debian-mirror -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20001005012045.G26824@real-time.com> Did slashdot get slashdotted? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 06:05:23 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22161] Mailing list archives down References: <20001004214200.F8909@real-time.com> <20001004215541.G8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DC6073.DAEA81FD@fandre.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Got a problem with JServ and JDK 1.2.2 so the mailing list archives for the > > TCLUG are down until I can fix them. > > > > Sorry. > > Fixed the problem. We should be back up. You're the best in the industry, Bob. I don't know what we would do without you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 06:22:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22154] CDRs for installfest In-Reply-To: <20001004235253.A13369@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: > > > >Q: Will that idiot Ben be there? > > > >A: I will draw him a map with his favorite color crayon, so I think he will make > >it. > > Alt A: No he'll be in Atlanta flirting with the Daemon Girls and getting > intoxicated at VA's bash again. :-) > If someone loans me a digital camera, I'd take pictures. Andy > > >:-P > > > > > >-- > >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 06:27:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22161] Mailing list archives down In-Reply-To: <39DC6073.DAEA81FD@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > You're the best in the industry, Bob. I don't know what we would do > without you. What industry is that, then? Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 5 06:44:01 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22155] Samba as WINS server In-Reply-To: <20001004224007.A10175@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 blutgens@sistina.com wrote: > >I'm haven't completely exorcised the demons that are possessing my > >server. Now my Win95 users are unable to print, and it seems that a problem > >with the samba config, specifically settings for a WINS server, appears to > >the be the problem. Here's the log: > > > Maybe try not using a wins server. I never have used one. I've never used one in the past, but now for some reason it seems like I need to for everything to work. I'm puzzled. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 5 07:16:11 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22159] sparc, sparc64 and sparcv9 ? In-Reply-To: <20001004195858.E8909@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 07:58:58PM -0500 References: <20001004195858.E8909@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001005071611.A14489@acm.cs.umn.edu> Which one were you trying to compile (sparc, sparc64, sparcv9)? Sparc seems to implicitly mean 32-bit Sparcs in this particular context. Sparc64 is, well, 64-bit Sparcs. Sparcv9 - you got me. "An Ultra" could mean any ultra. Is it an Ultra 1, 2, 5, 10, 60, or 80? Ultra 1s, 2s, 5s, and 10s are 32-bit. The rest are 64-bit, IIRC. Gabe On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 07:58:58PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, what is the difference between sparc, sparc64 and sparcv9 for rpms? > > I just tried to compile glibc-2.1.3.21 on a ultra and it puked. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 5 08:25:44 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD Message-ID: Got a quick question- I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? From what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE and I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular linux distributions. Thanks, Chris Opp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 08:33:41 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's not much they can show you on a box that would distinguish *nix and Unix-like OS's from each other. What they show you is pictures of a gui interface, and sure, BSD and Linux can use pretty much the same set. BSD has a different development team which emphasizes different things -- I'm sure others can give you details about its advantages over Linux. I don't think it's as popular, but as you've seen on this list, there are user groups, and probably a great community if you want to get into it. But you should decide how many different flavors of unix-like OSs you want to spend time on. Andy > I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It > grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my > amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? From > what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is > probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please > elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE and > I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular linux > distributions. > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 5 08:42:25 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22171] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22164] read an iso (no cd) References: <20001005000305.C26824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DC8541.D0E8D7B3@ltiflex.com> You can use the loopback filesystem to mount images of disks as disks. I haven't done it myself, so you'd have to poke the documentation. MIGHT be as simple as mount -t lo image.iso mountpoint -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 08:49:29 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: Message-ID: <011501c02ed3$15941fa0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Why don't you go to http://www.freebsd.com and have a look. I for one can say that certain things about FreeBSD are far more mature than Linux. I will give one point - all binaries in /bin and /sbin are statically linked, thus the system will always boot - even without the C libraries. To make such a distribution on Linux is problematic - because it is all based upon GNU source code - and some of the binaries from a single package reside in both /bin and /usr/bin for instance. So the same package would have to be compiled twice and only the relevent binaries copied. The licensing of the source code is much more open than the GPL - but many developers have a problem with the BSD license and many developers have a problem with the GPL. Also, the kernel is organized in a much different manner. I think the Linux kernel source is far easier to read and understand, but it is not as efficient as the BSD kernel. That is changing every day and the two are getting closer. Linux still supports more hardware - but the gap is nearly closed on that one (and out of the box - before kernel patches - FreeBSD may have Linux beat). If you have UltraDMA storage hardware, you can't beat FreeBSD. Linux does not have the ATA chipset support (with or without hendrick's patches) that FreeBSD has. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Opp" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD > > > Got a quick question- > > I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It > grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my > amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? From > what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is > probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please > elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE and > I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular linux > distributions. > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 08:58:25 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <970754305.39dc890113896@www.fandre.com> Quoting Chris Opp : > > > Got a quick question- > > I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It > grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my > amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? > From > what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is > probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please > elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE > and > I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular > linux > distributions. > *BSD (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD) are all very similar to Linux. Just as Solaris and HP-UX are. Most of the software the is distributed with Linux is easy to recompile under other UNIX's so you can make almost any UNIX look like 'outta the box' Linux. (Gnome, KDE, etc.) As for the differences, it's mainly in the underlying code. *BSD is based on the BSD code of the early 70's. Linux was written from scratch by the man himself. Also the licensing is different. Linux uses the GPL, *BSD uses the BSD license. *BSD is a little more mature since it's been around a little longer than Linux. Especially the networking code which is suppose to better. This is why many of the large FTP and WWW sites use it instead of Linux. On the other hand Linux runs on just about anything. I don't have a lot of experience with *BSD so I can't really say for sure. Anyone else have first-hand experience? Here are a few links I dig up: http://www.cdrom.com/~rab/bsd_chart.html http://www.operatingsystems.net/oses/freebsd.htm http://www.operatingsystems.net/oses/linux.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 09:06:50 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: <970754305.39dc890113896@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <013201c02ed5$82e6f620$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> > From: "Clay Fandre" > > On the other hand Linux runs on just about anything. > > NetBSD will run on more platforms than Linux will. http://www.netbsd.org Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 5 09:48:02 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, I ran FreeBSD back in the 2.x days back at another company, I have a machine or two here that run it also (unix6 - uptime 229 days!). The main difference between FreeBSD and Linux is that FreeBSD is BSD-like unix and Linux is more SysV like unix. Generally any unix that's not a *BSD is System V like. FreeBSD has more of a core team of developers, it's not as close to the bazaar model as Linux is. The most notable thing about it is that it's rock-solid. The BSD TCP stack is probably the best in the world, which is why many vendors use it for non-computer devices and many vendors base their firewall/NAT/router products on BSD code. Here are the different BSD's and what they are: FreeBSD - the "linux" of the BSD's, very good all-around OS OpenBSD - designed to be the most secure operating system, they took the BSD code and did a complete audit for buffer overflows and other nasties NetBSD - designed to be the most portable, it runs on all sorts of platforms BSD/OS - (aka BSDI) - the commercial version of BSD. They now own Walnut Creek (cdrom.com) and Slackware (well, they don't really "own" it...). FreeBSD is an excellent operating system, and I urge you to try it if you have some spare hardware lying around. My first BSD system was a 486/100 running FreeBSD 2.2.6 called Desire. Desire only did DNS and backup mail, but it was incredibly reliable. It's fairly easy to setup, but a bit different from Linux. The package management is also very cool. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > Got a quick question- > > I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It > grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my > amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? From > what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is > probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please > elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE and > I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular linux > distributions. > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 09:57:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD In-Reply-To: <013201c02ed5$82e6f620$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> References: <970754305.39dc890113896@www.fandre.com> <013201c02ed5$82e6f620$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <970757848.39dc96d872c16@www.fandre.com> Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" : > > From: "Clay Fandre" > > > > On the other hand Linux runs on just about anything. > > > > > > NetBSD will run on more platforms than Linux will. > > http://www.netbsd.org Awesome. I think I'm going to switch the group to the TCNUG. Anyone with me? How about TCFUG? TCOUG? Or maybe TCDUG (debian users group) to keep idiot Ben happy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Oct 5 10:09:04 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: <970754305.39dc890113896@www.fandre.com> <013201c02ed5$82e6f620$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <970757848.39dc96d872c16@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39DC9990.B7B99D2F@structural-wood.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Quoting "Thomas T. Veldhouse" : > > > > From: "Clay Fandre" > > > > > > On the other hand Linux runs on just about anything. > > > > > > > > > > NetBSD will run on more platforms than Linux will. > > > > http://www.netbsd.org > > Awesome. I think I'm going to switch the group to the TCNUG. Anyone with me? > > How about TCFUG? TCOUG? Or maybe TCDUG (debian users group) to keep idiot Ben happy. > TCLUGBUG... I would point out to whomever the original BSD <-> Linux poster was that the odds of finding commercial software for any flavor of BSD are a small percentage of finding commercial software for linux (which is a small percentage of .......). Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 10:11:50 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD In-Reply-To: <39DC9990.B7B99D2F@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: > > How about TCFUG? TCOUG? Or maybe TCDUG (debian users group) to keep idiot Ben happy. > > > > TCLUGBUG... TC{B,L}UG Andy > Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 10:34:40 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22063] PoPToP Use and Winblows clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > I am the client and I have applied all the patches to the kernel for mppe. > > > > Are you doing linux<->linux? Or Windoze<->Linux? > > Windows NT server, Linux client. Tried Win 2000 too, but doesn't help. I've > tried 128 bit, 64 bit, state and stateless. Ah, yeah, the pptp client under Linux has problems with encryption... ie, it doesn't work. At least, as far as I've been able to tell.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 10:35:06 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD In-Reply-To: <011501c02ed3$15941fa0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: > Why don't you go to http://www.freebsd.com and have a look. I for one can > say that certain things about FreeBSD are far more mature than Linux. > > I will give one point - all binaries in /bin and /sbin are statically > linked, thus the system will always boot - even without the C libraries. To > make such a distribution on Linux is problematic - because it is all based > upon GNU source code - and some of the binaries from a single package reside > in both /bin and /usr/bin for instance. So the same package would have to > be compiled twice and only the relevent binaries copied. i think that's more distro dependant.. but i have had very few library booting problems before, and I'd much rather have /bin/bash dynamicaly linked to save memory. I do keep a copy of staticaly linked /bin/ash around for emergency fixing. but i rarely have to use it. > > Also, the kernel is organized in a much different manner. I think the Linux > kernel source is far easier to read and understand, but it is not as > efficient as the BSD kernel. That is changing every day and the two are > getting closer. also, last time i checked, the BSD kernel is not support dynamic modules, if you need to make changes, you will have to recompile the whole thing, and reboot. > > Linux still supports more hardware - but the gap is nearly closed on that > one (and out of the box - before kernel patches - FreeBSD may have Linux > beat). linux and BSD have been sharing device drivers, and kernel code for a while now. linux took from the BSD networking code, improved on it, now linux has a very fast networkign stack. BSD has taken many device drivers from linux, Iomega Zip paralell driver comes to mind. To me, this is a good thing, sharing code is what open souce is about. > > If you have UltraDMA storage hardware, you can't beat FreeBSD. Linux does > not have the ATA chipset support (with or without hendrick's patches) that > FreeBSD has. I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about, from my understanding FreeBSD has allways had lackluster IDE support. as far as DMA mode, most distros leave DMA mode disabled by default for compatability reasons. a simple /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda turns on DMA support, making things MUCH faster > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Opp" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 8:25 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD > > > > > > > > Got a quick question- > > > > I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It > > grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my > > amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? > From > > what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is > > probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please > > elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE > and > > I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular > linux > > distributions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris Opp > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 10:36:44 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22171] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22164] read an iso (no cd) In-Reply-To: <20001005000305.C26824@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I want to look at some file on Caldera's eDesktop (netware nds client). > > Unfortuntaly, I can only download the whole thing in iso form. I don't > > have a cd burner, nor do I want to burn the cd -- is there a way I can get > > access to the iso I'm downloading? > > Don't think so unless you can get the remote site to mount the iso. :-) mount -t iso9660 -o loop -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 5 10:36:59 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant Message-ID: I apologize for the off-topic post but I have to rant about this somewhere... Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse to pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, so I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it up to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 years to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can get. Incidentally, the Hacker beer was actually quite good. The day wasn't a total loss. Although my dad lost some respect for me because I prefer imports like Dos Equis over Summit and Sam Adams. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 10:51:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: Message-ID: <018d01c02ee4$1fbc01d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I haven't found any significant memory issues with this. Staticly linked binaries are faster initially because they don't have to load support libraries. FreeBSD now uses TCSH/CSH as the root shell (before it was just CSH). I have nothing but good things to say about FreeBSD's performance. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kochie" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD > > > Why don't you go to http://www.freebsd.com and have a look. I for one can > > say that certain things about FreeBSD are far more mature than Linux. > > > > I will give one point - all binaries in /bin and /sbin are statically > > linked, thus the system will always boot - even without the C libraries. To > > make such a distribution on Linux is problematic - because it is all based > > upon GNU source code - and some of the binaries from a single package reside > > in both /bin and /usr/bin for instance. So the same package would have to > > be compiled twice and only the relevent binaries copied. > i think that's more distro dependant.. but i have had very few library > booting problems before, and I'd much rather have /bin/bash dynamicaly > linked to save memory. I do keep a copy of staticaly linked /bin/ash > around for emergency fixing. but i rarely have to use it. > > > > > Also, the kernel is organized in a much different manner. I think the Linux > > kernel source is far easier to read and understand, but it is not as > > efficient as the BSD kernel. That is changing every day and the two are > > getting closer. > also, last time i checked, the BSD kernel is not support dynamic modules, > if you need to make changes, you will have to recompile the whole thing, > and reboot. > > > > > Linux still supports more hardware - but the gap is nearly closed on that > > one (and out of the box - before kernel patches - FreeBSD may have Linux > > beat). > linux and BSD have been sharing device drivers, and kernel code for a > while now. linux took from the BSD networking code, improved on it, now > linux has a very fast networkign stack. BSD has taken many device drivers > from linux, Iomega Zip paralell driver comes to mind. To me, this is a > good thing, sharing code is what open souce is about. > > > > > If you have UltraDMA storage hardware, you can't beat FreeBSD. Linux does > > not have the ATA chipset support (with or without hendrick's patches) that > > FreeBSD has. > I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about, from my understanding > FreeBSD has allways had lackluster IDE support. as far as DMA mode, most > distros leave DMA mode disabled by default for compatability reasons. a > simple /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda turns on DMA support, making things MUCH > faster > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Opp" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 8:25 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a quick question- > > > > > > I was at the store last night and I saw freeBSD software being sold. It > > > grabbed my attention so I picked up the box and looked it over. Too my > > > amazement it looks similiar to Linux. How is BSD different from Linux? > > From > > > what I read on the box it didn't look like much. I guess that there is > > > probably more than meets the eye with this, so could someone please > > > elaborate for me? I think it was version 4.4.x or something. It had KDE > > and > > > I think GNOME and many of the same tools and programs as the popular > > linux > > > distributions. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 10:52:24 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: <019401c02ee4$41f91d00$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> If you didn't smoke, you might look your age and they might actually cart you :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > I apologize for the off-topic post but I have to rant about this > somewhere... > > Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse to > pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, so > I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it up > to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my > money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 years > to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even > matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working > theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that > morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, > which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can > get. > > Incidentally, the Hacker beer was actually quite good. The day wasn't a > total loss. Although my dad lost some respect for me because I prefer > imports like Dos Equis over Summit and Sam Adams. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mkroska at readynetgo.com Thu Oct 5 10:53:55 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Happy Birthday Adam! Welcome the the 'adult' (aged) world...the same happened to me on my 21st, it was months until I was carded...how disappointing! The funny thing is at restaurants when my wife and I go out, she looks young and she's 32 and still gets carded, what a compliment. Take these things in stride and enjoy the youth when you have it. Warmest Regards, Mark On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > I apologize for the off-topic post but I have to rant about this > somewhere... > > Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse to > pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, so > I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it up > to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my > money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 years > to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even > matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working > theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that > morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, > which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can > get. > > Incidentally, the Hacker beer was actually quite good. The day wasn't a > total loss. Although my dad lost some respect for me because I prefer > imports like Dos Equis over Summit and Sam Adams. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From psp at printwareinc.com Thu Oct 5 10:55:19 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant Message-ID: <20001005155519524.AAA339@sumo> TCBeerUG? >Incidentally, the Hacker beer was actually quite good. The day wasn't a >total loss. Although my dad lost some respect for me because I prefer >imports like Dos Equis over Summit and Sam Adams. Hacker-Pschorr is great stuff. Brewed only with malt, hops, water, or yeast, following a german law or decree from the 1500's. Np "adjuncts" like corn or rice, used a lot in megabrews (Bud). It's like a drinking beer out of a time capsule. We do have some truly great beers here in America, though. Local microbrew James Page regularly wins medals in tough national competition, this year a gold medal for their Iron Range Lager. (sigh)...so little time. 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On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > If you didn't smoke, you might look your age and they might actually cart > you :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:36 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > I apologize for the off-topic post but I have to rant about this > > somewhere... > > > > Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse to > > pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, so > > I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it up > > to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my > > money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 years > > to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even > > matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working > > theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that > > morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, > > which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can > > get. > > > > Incidentally, the Hacker beer was actually quite good. The day wasn't a > > total loss. Although my dad lost some respect for me because I prefer > > imports like Dos Equis over Summit and Sam Adams. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 5 11:00:22 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > I apologize for the off-topic post but I have to rant about this > somewhere... Well, it is obvious to me that you need to quit smoking. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Oct 5 11:02:14 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, now you must learn to love Guinness: The choice stout of Linux hackers everywhere. Congrats on the big 21! -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 5 11:14:21 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22070] Back Orifice vs VNC -- VNC tip Message-ID: <20001005161421.2982.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> I'm running vnc-3.3.3-5 RPM on Redhat. Using VNC to control a NT box remotely, hit F8 in the VNC window and you get a popup that allows you to send CTRL-ALT-DEL. >Of course the unix client doesn't have a way to send a CTRL-ALT-DEL, > so every time my Windows workstation meets it's maker I have to > switch the keyboard over and finger it manually. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Thu Oct 5 11:16:11 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c02ee7$93aebf80$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > Ah, now you must learn to love Guinness: The choice stout of Linux > hackers everywhere. > Pshaw. Grab yourself a big ol' bottle of Sheaf Stout and pour yourself a pint. You'll never look at Guiness the same way again. It's the only beer worth paying money for. (Okay, just kidding. Guiness is good too. But lemme tell ya, the Australians can do pretty amazing things with lager when they set their minds to it...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Oct 5 11:17:04 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00100511210900.00153@homer> Why would anyone from St. Paul / Minneapolis drink anything other than Summit? I crave the EPA day and night. Just bitter enough that you don't ever get sick of drinking it. And congrats on making it to the age of fermented consent. A whole new world of socially acceptable vice is your oyster. Just don't start using bad language now... On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > Ah, now you must learn to love Guinness: The choice stout of Linux > hackers everywhere. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 11:22:34 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <20001005155519524.AAA339@sumo> Message-ID: <01ae01c02ee8$78a0ac20$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> The german beer purity law also dictates that carbonation is 100% natural. Many companies have captured the expelled CO2 during fermentation and used it to carbonate the beer. That allows them to meet the spirit of the law and still clarify the beer for commercial sale. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Plumbo" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > TCBeerUG? > > >Incidentally, the Hacker beer was actually quite good. The day wasn't a > >total loss. Although my dad lost some respect for me because I prefer > >imports like Dos Equis over Summit and Sam Adams. > > Hacker-Pschorr is great stuff. Brewed only with malt, hops, water, or yeast, > following a german law or decree from the 1500's. Np "adjuncts" like corn or > rice, used a lot in megabrews (Bud). It's like a drinking beer out of a time > capsule. > > We do have some truly great beers here in America, though. Local microbrew > James Page regularly wins medals in tough national competition, this year a > gold medal for their Iron Range Lager. > > (sigh)...so little time. > > > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 5 11:23:30 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > If you didn't smoke, you might look your age and they might actually > cart you :) s/cart/card/ Of all the reasons I'm going to try to quit this month, this one is the most important :) Tom, your words will be with me whenever I have a craving, and I'll just have to look in the mirror at my stunning and boyish good looks and think about what a waste it would be to lose them to this nasty habit. err... > atleast we got adam to smoke something a little lighter than the camel > wides he was on for a while :) We equate them to tailpipes - bigger than some cigars. > Well, it is obvious to me that you need to quit smoking. You noticed that my striking beauty was slowly fading? > Ah, now you must learn to love Guinness: The choice stout of Linux > hackers everywhere. Congrats on the big 21! I thought it was a given that I enjoy Guiness, I'm Irish. Hey - I'm Irish, I live in St. Paul, maybe I'm one of those drunks that the Gov was talking about that designed the roads... > Happy Birthday Adam! > Welcome the the 'adult' (aged) world... Thanks everyone. I've been on the list for awhile now and while we've had our arguments, flames, rants and distro wars I still enjoy tclug. even though I work at an all-BSD ISP. And Slackware still rules :) Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 11:23:59 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> Message-ID: <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I could just learn to make a nice Summit clone. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > Why would anyone from St. Paul / Minneapolis drink anything other than Summit? I > crave the EPA day and night. Just bitter enough that you don't ever get sick of > drinking it. > > And congrats on making it to the age of fermented consent. A whole new world of > socially acceptable vice is your oyster. Just don't start using bad > language now... > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you > wrote: > Ah, now you must learn to love Guinness: The choice stout of Linux > > hackers everywhere. > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Oct 5 11:21:33 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22206] Removable IDE hard drive bays cheap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00100511245601.00153@homer> I was just out at MPC Electronics in Eagan, and they had a load of removable IDE hard drive bays (the standard type) at the best price I have ever seen locally: Complete bay and 1 insert - $7.50 / each Extra inserts - $5.00 / each Condition is excellent, but no keys were available (oh well). They were going fast, I nabbed two of each. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Oct 5 11:29:50 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <00100511210900.00153@homer> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Why would anyone from St. Paul / Minneapolis drink anything other than > Summit? Because I'm from Wisconsin? *Ducks for cover* ;-) (But I work in St. Paul!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Oct 5 11:26:17 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <00100511321002.00153@homer> It's amazingly great :) By the way, I think Summit distributors had an across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their regular price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. Woohoo! On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I could just > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 11:40:13 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: <39DCAEED.ABB65F2F@usfamily.net> > I really Prefer Erdinger Weisse Beir an Excelent German beer, however I is quite difficult to find in Minnesota. :-(``` ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 5 11:39:23 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: <39DCAEBB.5732FA8D@ltiflex.com> Ben Kochie wrote: > > atleast we got adam to smoke something a little lighter than the camel > wides he was on for a while :) > Stop smoking, your computer will thank you. The insides of computer cases get really nasty really quick when people smoke near them. Well, this message related the whole thread to something that was almost on topic anyway. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 11:45:33 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <39DCAEBB.5732FA8D@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39DCB02D.49E5358C@usfamily.net> Who cares it so close to friday that it doesnt matter if it relates to anything or not Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > atleast we got adam to smoke something a little lighter than the camel > > wides he was on for a while :) > > > > Stop smoking, your computer will thank you. The insides of computer cases > get really nasty really quick when people smoke near them. Well, this > message related the whole thread to something that was almost on topic > anyway. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 11:46:58 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22212] hypermail takes forever? Message-ID: Hey all... I'm trying to convert a mail archive to hypermail, and am wondering why it's taking so damn long. The single mail folder that I fed to it is just under 600k, and has approximately 1500 messages. It's been crunching away at 98% of the PII-300 CPU for over 90 mins, and still hasn't finished. I ran it on a P-III 500 with a much smaller mail folder, only about 10 messages, and it still took over a half hour. Does this jive with anyone else's experiences? The command line I'm using is: [soup:~/tmp]$ time hypermail -p -m ~/tmp/soup-data -d /home/soup/docs/hypermail -l soup-data Are there other choices I could try besides hypermail? Thanks, Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 11:50:01 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> Message-ID: <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack for no more than $10.99. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > It's amazingly great :) > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their regular > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > Woohoo! > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I could just > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 11:52:15 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <39DCAEED.ABB65F2F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <01da01c02eec$9eca1fe0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Contradiction of terms. In Germany it is not legal to call it beer if it is made out of wheat. I am personally a Pale Ale fan - I like all sorts of them. Another good one besides Summit is Anchor Pale Ale. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > I really Prefer Erdinger Weisse Beir an Excelent German beer, however I is > quite difficult to find in Minnesota. :-(``` > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 5 11:52:56 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <39DCAEBB.5732FA8D@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: I don't smoke indoors at all. I don't want to kill my fiance' and her fish. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > atleast we got adam to smoke something a little lighter than the camel > > wides he was on for a while :) > > > > Stop smoking, your computer will thank you. The insides of computer cases > get really nasty really quick when people smoke near them. Well, this > message related the whole thread to something that was almost on topic > anyway. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 11:56:36 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the TCLUGers to it? "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack for no > more than $10.99. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Layer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their regular > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > Woohoo! > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I could > just > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 11:54:00 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <39DCAEBB.5732FA8D@ltiflex.com> <39DCB02D.49E5358C@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <01ee01c02eec$dd618810$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Perhaps you are short on memory and it is swapping terribly. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > Who cares it so close to friday that it doesnt matter if it relates to > anything or not > > Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > atleast we got adam to smoke something a little lighter than the camel > > > wides he was on for a while :) > > > > > > > Stop smoking, your computer will thank you. The insides of computer cases > > get really nasty really quick when people smoke near them. Well, this > > message related the whole thread to something that was almost on topic > > anyway. > > > > -- > > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 11:55:52 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get a posting for two month :( I would gladly start one though. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack for no > > more than $10.99. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Layer" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their regular > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I could > > just > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 12:03:09 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer drinkers. HE He "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get a > posting for two month :( > > I would gladly start one though. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack > for no > > > more than $10.99. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Layer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their > regular > > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I > could > > > just > > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > talking.- > > > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 12:01:19 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Some of us are a bit snobby, and stick to single malt scotch. Andy On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > drinkers. HE He > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get a > > posting for two month :( > > > > I would gladly start one though. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the > > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack > > for no > > > > more than $10.99. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bill Layer" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their > > regular > > > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I > > could > > > > just > > > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > > talking.- > > > > > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Thu Oct 5 12:03:38 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris H. Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <39DCB46A.CD1644F0@talkware.net> Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > drinkers. HE He > Some of us are even home-brewing, Linux-using beer drinkers. I'd love to see a TCHBG list. :) -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 12:08:52 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: <39DCB5A4.C7C66326@usfamily.net> Yes But can you make your own?????????????? andy@theasis.com wrote: > Some of us are a bit snobby, and stick to single malt scotch. > > Andy > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > > drinkers. HE He > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get a > > > posting for two month :( > > > > > > I would gladly start one though. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the > > > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack > > > for no > > > > > more than $10.99. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bill Layer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their > > > regular > > > > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I > > > could > > > > > just > > > > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > > > talking.- > > > > > > > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 12:10:14 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> <39DCB46A.CD1644F0@talkware.net> Message-ID: <39DCB5F6.9702AEB6@usfamily.net> How about A Brew contest at the next install fest??? It is october after all and we can not waste this month of Ocroberfest. "Chris H. Bidler" wrote: > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > > drinkers. HE He > > > > Some of us are even home-brewing, Linux-using beer drinkers. I'd love > to see a TCHBG list. :) > -- > <----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net > Associate Engineer, Applications Group > Universal Talkware Corp. > > "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer > really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" > <----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 12:07:39 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <39DCB5A4.C7C66326@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Why would I want to muck around with that? It's better to just have rare malts imported direct from Scotland. Andy On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Yes But can you make your own?????????????? > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Some of us are a bit snobby, and stick to single malt scotch. > > > > Andy > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > > > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > > > drinkers. HE He > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get a > > > > posting for two month :( > > > > > > > > I would gladly start one though. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the > > > > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 12:10:12 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant - Homebrew mailing list References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <024f01c02eef$208d3380$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> OK. Here we go ... Here is my Minnesota Homebrewing list. Go here and sign-up :) http://www.veldy.net/mailman/listinfo/homebrew Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > drinkers. HE He > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get a > > posting for two month :( > > > > I would gladly start one though. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all the > > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a 12-pack > > for no > > > > more than $10.99. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bill Layer" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their > > regular > > > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if I > > could > > > > just > > > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > > talking.- > > > > > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 5 12:13:12 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22226] Try Eros... (was Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD) In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:48:02AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001005121312.A422@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:48:02AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > OpenBSD - designed to be the most secure operating system, they took > the BSD code and did a complete audit for buffer overflows and other > nasties I was reading technical papers last night -- what else is a geek supposed to do with his "spare" time -- and ran across an interesting discussion. It was on the topic of security and the differences between the popular use Access Control Lists and a Capabilities type system. [1] In short, ACL's fail miserably in many situations and are subject to all sorts of back doors. Take this popular example for instance. Your program receives input from a "read-only" file and exports its output to a "write" file. In order to access these files in UNIX or Windows, you must give the process (the program's instance) the same permissions to the file system that the user who launched the program possess. In other words, the program has access to more objects than it actually needs. Wouldn't it be simpler to say, this program only needs permissions to the input file and the output file. (Notice the period and end of sentance designation). This type of limited permissions in ACL systems is attempted with chroot() geols (or jails), where a process has it's own identity and it put into a fake root directory. This is not a good solution as it does not really fix the problem, it just isolates it to that when the security model breaks it can minimize the damage that can be done. I brought up Eros, because it is an OO-designed microkernel OS, that takes "Capability" based security to heart at every level in its design. I'm really intrigued by Eros, much more so than by HURD. Partially because I don't want to deal with RMS's evangelism on the HURD mailing list/development circle, but also because I think Eros has a more solid design. Once I clean up my home workstation (*ugh... do you think the Linux kernel developers could take any longer to solidify 2.4?), I'll be making Eros my pet OS project -- effectively kicking out HURD as my "oooo...cool! I've got to try it" system. REFERENCES ---------- [1] Capabilities Systems http://www.eros-os.org/papers/shap-thesis.ps or http://www.eros-os.org/design-notes/CapabilityPages.html and http://www.eros-os.org/design-notes/CapInvoke.html [2] Eros OS Home Page http://www.eros-os.org -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] Homebrew mailing list References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> <024f01c02eef$208d3380$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <02b701c02ef0$bce64450$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> If you sign up - when you confirm - make sure you change the To: address to homebrew-request@veldy.net instead of homebrew@veldy.net. There is a bug in the beta version of Mailman (that is the only bug that will affect this list). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant - Homebrew mailing list > OK. Here we go ... > > Here is my Minnesota Homebrewing list. Go here and sign-up :) > > http://www.veldy.net/mailman/listinfo/homebrew > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > > drinkers. HE He > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get > a > > > posting for two month :( > > > > > > I would gladly start one though. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all > the > > > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a > 12-pack > > > for no > > > > > more than $10.99. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bill Layer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their > > > regular > > > > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if > I > > > could > > > > > just > > > > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > > > talking.- > > > > > > > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Oct 5 12:35:24 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 12:01:19PM -0500 References: <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20001005123524.A6423@sherohman.org> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 12:01:19PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > Some of us are a bit snobby, and stick to single malt scotch. And some of us just (brace yourself...) don't like beer. I love wine, scotch, port, mead... Can't stand beer though. (So will that homebrew list be beer-specific or will people be discussing mead brewing as well? (I've tried it, but haven't produced anything worthwhile yet...)) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 12:46:00 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <20001005123524.A6423@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 12:35:24PM -0500 References: <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> <20001005123524.A6423@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001005124600.D4620@real-time.com> > And some of us just (brace yourself...) don't like beer. > > I love wine, scotch, port, mead... Can't stand beer though. (So will that > homebrew list be beer-specific or will people be discussing mead brewing as > well? (I've tried it, but haven't produced anything worthwhile yet...)) beer is definitely an acquired taste. I never liked the stuff much myself, until I lived in Sweden, where: a. they have good beer b. they drink a *lot* of it since then, I've learned to appreciate the varieties of beer; but I still have my limits. (FWIW, there's an English beer called 'Speckled Hen' that is truly vile stuff.. terribly bitter). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 13:09:47 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant - Homebrew mailing list References: <00100511210900.00153@homer> <01bd01c02ee8$abc9bfb0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <00100511321002.00153@homer> <01d101c02eec$4ee64fd0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB2C3.52A3689B@usfamily.net> <020501c02eed$20685850$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DCB44D.2F6FAEBF@usfamily.net> <024f01c02eef$208d3380$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <039f01c02ef7$7e6ff480$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> My last post about the off topic Homebrew list. I fixed the bug - so go ahead and sign up. Let's see if it lasts longer than a week :) I already have to subscribers!!! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant - Homebrew mailing list > OK. Here we go ... > > Here is my Minnesota Homebrewing list. Go here and sign-up :) > > http://www.veldy.net/mailman/listinfo/homebrew > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > I think its an exelent idea, I would gladly subscibe to it and even help > > maintain it if needed. After all we are just a bunch of Linux using beer > > drinkers. HE He > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > I used to have a homebrewing list. After the first week, it didn't get > a > > > posting for two month :( > > > > > > I would gladly start one though. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > Can some one please start a Home Brewing List and then subscribe all > the > > > > TCLUGers to it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Star Liquor sells it for $5.49 usually and they always sell a > 12-pack > > > for no > > > > > more than $10.99. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bill Layer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:26 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > > > > > > > > > It's amazingly great :) > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I think Summit distributors had an > > > > > > across-the-board price cut. Big Top in Midway apparently cut their > > > regular > > > > > > price from $6.29 to $5.49 a six pack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Woohoo! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > > > > > Yes!!! Summit EPA is the best damn beer on the planet. Now if > I > > > could > > > > > just > > > > > > > learn to make a nice Summit clone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > > > > > > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > > > talking.- > > > > > > > > > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 5 14:33:39 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse to > pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, so > I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it up > to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my > money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 years > to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even > matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working > theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that > morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, > which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can > get. I have a different suspicion about why you didn't get carded. Profit margin on "specialty" beers may be higher than on PBR, Bud, what have you. If you want to delve into beers futher, I might suggest that you look into the traditions of Belgian beer making. The Belgians are to beer as the French are to wine. Cheers, and congrats on another lap around the solar system. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 5 14:40:07 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Chuck Milam wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Why would anyone from St. Paul / Minneapolis drink anything other than > > Summit? > > Because I'm from Wisconsin? *Ducks for cover* Oh then you should drink Walter's - "The Beer that *Is* Beer!" I think they were only distributed in about 12 counties around Madison. You can find all sorts of funny things in the woods in Wisconsin. (take that any way you want... ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 5 14:42:57 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <39DCB5A4.C7C66326@usfamily.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Yes But can you make your own?????????????? I can neither confirm nor deny that. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 14:52:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer Message-ID: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> All of this beer talk has me thinking... Why don't we move the monthly meeting to some pub and hold it on a weeknight so I have an excuse to drink some beer. (Now that I have a kid I need an excuse) Anyone with me? Heck, we don't even need a topic then. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 14:50:39 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: So we need a venue for Clay's Linux and Draft House. Andy On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > All of this beer talk has me thinking... Why don't we move the monthly meeting > to some pub and hold it on a weeknight so I have an excuse to drink some beer. > (Now that I have a kid I need an excuse) Anyone with me? Heck, we don't even > need a topic then. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 14:58:31 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 02:52:28PM -0500 References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> > All of this beer talk has me thinking... Why don't we move the monthly meeting > to some pub and hold it on a weeknight so I have an excuse to drink some beer. > (Now that I have a kid I need an excuse) Anyone with me? Heck, we don't even > need a topic then. I'm all in favor of that. at least have a meeting some weeknight at a bar or restaurant where we can just sit, talk to our friends and maybe enjoy something to drink. no real formal organization is needed; just someone say "I'm going to be at such-and-such bar/restaurant at such-and-such time, come on over if you feel like it". that's probably the best way to do it. a bar would be good, but a restaurant might be better (so that our under-21 members can get in). Nate Carlson might even be able to show up, if his girlfriend lets him. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 14:59:14 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22237] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22159] sparc, sparc64 and sparcv9 ? In-Reply-To: <20001005071611.A14489@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 07:16:11AM -0500 References: <20001004195858.E8909@real-time.com> <20001005071611.A14489@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001005145914.D23940@real-time.com> Quoting Gabe Turner (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > Which one were you trying to compile (sparc, sparc64, sparcv9)? Sparc > seems to implicitly mean 32-bit Sparcs in this particular context. Sparc64 > is, well, 64-bit Sparcs. Sparcv9 - you got me. "An Ultra" could mean > any ultra. Is it an Ultra 1, 2, 5, 10, 60, or 80? Ultra 1s, 2s, 5s, and > 10s are 32-bit. The rest are 64-bit, IIRC. glibc < 2.2 does not support 64-bit SPARC glib >= 2.2 does support it After looking through redhat's web site I finally posted a bug and was promptly flamed for not knowing this. :-) For thoses intersted: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18373 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 15:01:13 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I'm all in favor of that. at least have a meeting some weeknight at a bar or > restaurant where we can just sit, talk to our friends and maybe enjoy > something to drink. > > no real formal organization is needed; just someone say "I'm going to be at > such-and-such bar/restaurant at such-and-such time, come on over if you feel > like it". that's probably the best way to do it. > > a bar would be good, but a restaurant might be better (so that our under-21 > members can get in). Nate Carlson might even be able to show up, if his > girlfriend lets him. :) Hey, she's never tried to stop me, I've just been more interested in spending time with her.. *grin* And yes, I am indeed under 21. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 15:09:11 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > I'm all in favor of that. at least have a meeting some weeknight at a > bar or > restaurant where we can just sit, talk to our friends and maybe enjoy > something to drink. > > no real formal organization is needed; just someone say "I'm going to be > at > such-and-such bar/restaurant at such-and-such time, come on over if you > feel > like it". that's probably the best way to do it. > > a bar would be good, but a restaurant might be better (so that our > under-21 > members can get in). Nate Carlson might even be able to show up, if his > girlfriend lets him. :) We could have it at a different location each month. I live up nor't so it would be nice to have it up there once every couple months. I would ask Nate where he wants it, but he wouldn't show up anyway... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 15:07:57 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > We could have it at a different location each month. I live up nor't so it would > be nice to have it up there once every couple months. > > I would ask Nate where he wants it, but he wouldn't show up anyway... Actually, I could probably show up, if it was a weeknight after 7 or so... Fri Night & Sat Morning are just bad for me. *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chilly at arcticzone.dhs.org Thu Oct 5 09:35:58 2000 From: chilly at arcticzone.dhs.org (Chilly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22164] read an iso (no cd) Message-ID: <200010051435.e95EZw924051@arcticzone.dhs.org> Hey there, I regularly mount iso files on startup, i put something like the following in my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file: mount -o loop (path to iso file) (mount path) I do this for 4 iso images(all the RH7.0 iso's). Makes it very convient cuz i mount them inside my ftp server. :) > I want to look at some file on Caldera's eDesktop (netware nds client). > Unfortuntaly, I can only download the whole thing in iso form. I don't > have a cd burner, nor do I want to burn the cd -- is there a way I can get > access to the iso I'm downloading? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------- http://arcticzone.dhs.org http://www.clanlostboys.com --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 5 11:07:46 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <019401c02ee4$41f91d00$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 10:52:24AM -0500 References: <019401c02ee4$41f91d00$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001005110746.F16438@titanium.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 10:52:24AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >If you didn't smoke, you might look your age and they might actually cart >you :) > cart him where? :-) -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 612.670.4789 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ Internet Explorer (n): Another bug, that is, a feature that can't be turned off, in Windows. See also: monopoly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Speaking of Minnesotan, I'm surprised no one's mentioned Premium! jacque --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 15:44:20 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22244] Way off-topic - Hype Message-ID: <970778660.39dce82433462@www.fandre.com> Well, since we are really off-topic today, I thought I would let everyone know of this new show that's going to be on the WB this Sunday. I grew up with one of the cast members who does a lot of stand-up down at the Acme. His name is Frank Caliendo and he's really funny. From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 5 15:45:37 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39DCE870.20D3FD92@fruitioninc.com> > > > We could have it at a different location each month. I live up nor't so it would > be nice to have it up there once every couple months. > > I would ask Nate where he wants it, but he wouldn't show up anyway... > I'm all for this. When I was part of webgrrls, we used to meet at restaurant/bars around the metro every other week and at coffee houses around the metro the weeks we didn't go to the bars (so the underage grrls and grrls that weren't interested in bars ) could "network". We also had a monthly formal meeting for the people on committees. Its really nice to be able to casually talk to some people about stuff you like. My only complaint about the formal meetings is you don't really get to interact with the other members. I never remember anyone's name/face combination when we introduce ourselves to the room. ~jacque --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 15:57:11 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <39DCE870.20D3FD92@fruitioninc.com> References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> <39DCE870.20D3FD92@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <970779431.39dceb27e30e4@www.fandre.com> Quoting Jacqueline Urick : > > I'm all for this. When I was part of webgrrls, we used to meet at > restaurant/bars > around the metro every other week and at coffee houses around the metro > the weeks we > didn't go to the bars (so the underage grrls and grrls that weren't > interested in > bars ) could "network". We also had a monthly formal meeting for the > people on > committees. > > Its really nice to be able to casually talk to some people about stuff > you like. My > only complaint about the formal meetings is you don't really get to > interact with > the other members. I never remember anyone's name/face combination when > we introduce > ourselves to the room. Alright. Anyone willing to organize this on a monthly basis? I NEED to have it at a place that serves beer, but a restaurant would do. I prefer the second Thursday of the month. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From roundhead666 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 5 15:52:06 2000 From: roundhead666 at hotmail.com (bla_bla_bla) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: Haft to agree w/ that one Chimale(not sure on spelling) amongsts others by the monks of belgium have the Brew down to a *T* and although I will admit Guinness Draught is higher than all else. Long live the monks!!!! "I became tuned in to a network of neurological signals... and cellular wisdoms.....radiating at a hundred of millionths per second" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip C Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse to > > pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, so > > I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it up > > to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my > > money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 years > > to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even > > matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working > > theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that > > morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, > > which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can > > get. > > I have a different suspicion about why you didn't get carded. Profit > margin on "specialty" beers may be higher than on PBR, Bud, what have you. > > If you want to delve into beers futher, I might suggest that you look into > the traditions of Belgian beer making. The Belgians are to beer as the > French are to wine. > > Cheers, and congrats on another lap around the solar system. > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 5 15:56:52 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance Message-ID: <20001005205652.21432.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> I'm running Debian (kernal 2.2.17) on a server at home: PIII 700 256MB ram with an Adaptec 29160 SCSI controller and an IBM ultra 160 hard drive. When I run hdparm -Tt /dev/sda, it reports: Timing buffer-cache reads: ...= 128 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: ...= 19.05 MB/sec I'm not expecting max performance, but 19 MB/sec is a helluva lot slower than 160 MB/sec. Anyone have any thoughts on this? mj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 15:58:40 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <39DCE870.20D3FD92@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: any chance of getting some web grrls to these meetings? :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > > > We could have it at a different location each month. I live up nor't so it would > > be nice to have it up there once every couple months. > > > > I would ask Nate where he wants it, but he wouldn't show up anyway... > > > > I'm all for this. When I was part of webgrrls, we used to meet at restaurant/bars > around the metro every other week and at coffee houses around the metro the weeks we > didn't go to the bars (so the underage grrls and grrls that weren't interested in > bars ) could "network". We also had a monthly formal meeting for the people on > committees. > > Its really nice to be able to casually talk to some people about stuff you like. My > only complaint about the formal meetings is you don't really get to interact with > the other members. I never remember anyone's name/face combination when we introduce > ourselves to the room. > > ~jacque > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Thu Oct 5 16:02:25 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970779431.39dceb27e30e4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <000f01c02f0f$8fd96d60$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > Alright. Anyone willing to organize this on a monthly basis? I NEED to > have it at a place that serves beer, but a restaurant would do. I prefer the > second Thursday of the month. As long as we're on the subject of Belgian beers (in another version of this thread) how 'bout Bryant-Lake Bowl? They have a sizable selection of Belgian brews -- although cramming more than 6 people in there at a time is a bit of a chore. There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more than a half-dozen folks seated together. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Oct 5 16:04:11 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > any chance of getting some web grrls to these meetings? :) Umm...that would certianly help with my motivation to attend. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 16:05:10 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970779431.39dceb27e30e4@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:57:11PM -0500 References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> <39DCE870.20D3FD92@fruitioninc.com> <970779431.39dceb27e30e4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001005160510.Q4620@real-time.com> > Alright. Anyone willing to organize this on a monthly basis? I NEED to > have it at a place that serves beer, but a restaurant would do. I prefer the > second Thursday of the month. "organization" is more than we need. Just pick a time and a place you'll be, announce it once a day to the list, for a couple of days beforehand, and be there at the specified time. In my experience, that's the best way to do it. no more is needed; and this way there's no onus on anyone. for instance, Adam M. & I are going to try to be at the Half Time Rec in St. Paul (on Front Ave. (or is it St?), 3 blocks E of Lexington), about 9:00pm on the Tuesday after next. there's a band called the Tim Malloys playing there (really good Irish revolutionary music), and they have Guiness, Harp, and Strongbow (cider for those who don't like beer) on tap. conversations are held at a shout because it's so loud, and you can cut the smoke with a knife by the end of the night, but it's a good time. :) anyone who wants to show up, is more than welcome. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 5 16:05:04 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> <39DCE870.20D3FD92@fruitioninc.com> <970779431.39dceb27e30e4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39DCED00.169320C6@fruitioninc.com> I'm willing to organize these events. Are we still going to have a normal meeting every month too? ~jacque PS to Ben: Most of the webgrrls weren't really girls at all, they were married professionals in their late 20's to early 40's! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 5 15:48:47 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance Message-ID: <0G1Z009AI6M1LD@mail1.supervalu.com> 160MB/sec is the maximum performance of the SCSI bus (not the hard drive). 19MB/sec is how fast the hard drive is going. The only time you're going to get something like 160MB/sec is with a bunch of Seagate X15s in a big RAID 5 config. Don't worry, you're okay. :) Nick mjj55409@yahoo.com, on 10/05/2000 03:56:52 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance I'm running Debian (kernal 2.2.17) on a server at home: PIII 700 256MB ram with an Adaptec 29160 SCSI controller and an IBM ultra 160 hard drive. When I run hdparm -Tt /dev/sda, it reports: Timing buffer-cache reads: ...= 128 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: ...= 19.05 MB/sec I'm not expecting max performance, but 19 MB/sec is a helluva lot slower than 160 MB/sec. Anyone have any thoughts on this? mj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Oct 5 16:05:29 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <000f01c02f0f$8fd96d60$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > than a half-dozen folks seated together. What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge beer selection. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 16:06:01 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance In-Reply-To: <20001005205652.21432.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yep.. that's about normal.. you are hitting DISK preformance limits.. not chain limits.. here's what I get on a 10k RPM disk on an alpha 600 with a symbios card.. you are also hitting the PCI bus limit of 133MB. this is an active box.. so the numbers are a little low :( (load is about 2 right now) Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.53 seconds = 18.13 MB/sec Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 3.06 seconds = 41.80 MB/sec that's for normal UltraWide this one is a K6-2 450, with a buslogic (mylex) scsi card, and a 7200 RPM disk (i think) (backup server, no load) Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 5.54 seconds = 11.55 MB/sec Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 3.28 seconds = 39.02 MB/sec and finaly, a dual celeron with a 7200 RPM ide drive Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.47 seconds = 18.44 MB/sec Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.49 seconds = 85.91 MB/sec all drives are fairly recent (less than 1 year old) IBM ultrastars, and IDE is a deskstar. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > I'm running Debian (kernal 2.2.17) on a server at > home: PIII 700 256MB ram with an Adaptec 29160 SCSI > controller and an IBM ultra 160 hard drive. When I run > hdparm -Tt /dev/sda, it reports: > > Timing buffer-cache reads: ...= 128 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: ...= 19.05 MB/sec > > I'm not expecting max performance, but 19 MB/sec is a > helluva lot slower than 160 MB/sec. Anyone have any > thoughts on this? > > mj > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 16:10:17 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <39DCED00.169320C6@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: awww.. oh well.. late 20's isn't bad, married is not so fun tho. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > I'm willing to organize these events. Are we still going to have a normal meeting > every month too? > > > ~jacque > > PS to Ben: Most of the webgrrls weren't really girls at all, they were married > professionals in their late 20's to early 40's! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 5 16:11:14 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <000f01c02f0f$8fd96d60$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <39DCEE72.6E64874A@fruitioninc.com> The Triple Rock on Cedar also has an awesome selection of belgian ales and I believe they let "minors" in until 9pm. They also have an incredible happy hour on the weekdays. I'm going to shy away from those tasty ( too tasty ) belgian ales..the last time I enjoyed them, I'm not sure how myslef and my bike got home in one piece. ~j Eric Hillman wrote: > > > > Alright. Anyone willing to organize this on a monthly basis? I NEED to > > have it at a place that serves beer, but a restaurant would do. I prefer the > > second Thursday of the month. > > As long as we're on the subject of Belgian beers (in another version of this > thread) how 'bout Bryant-Lake Bowl? They have a sizable selection of Belgian > brews -- although cramming more than 6 people in there at a time is a bit of a > chore. > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they do some > great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. Again, though, if > it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more than a half-dozen folks seated > together. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Thu Oct 5 16:10:59 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <39DCAF3B.2588155B@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <00de01c02f10$c2736ae0$9f02a8c0@neicoltech.org> > > My boyfriend hates Summit IPA and EPA. I love it. I like James > Page Amber or > Iron Range better than Summit, tho. Speaking of Minnesotan, I'm > surprised no > one's mentioned Premium! I've gotta send my shout out for Premium! Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gje at parrotheaven.com Thu Oct 5 16:14:35 2000 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: Message-ID: <002b01c02f11$43e3b580$e5a91a18@BEAKER> The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on weeknights, and has pool tables... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Milam" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > > than a half-dozen folks seated together. > > What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge > beer selection. > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 16:15:00 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <002b01c02f11$43e3b580$e5a91a18@BEAKER> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > weeknights, and has pool tables... *drools over the pool tables* do they let minors in? :P -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 16:15:03 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <002b01c02f11$43e3b580$e5a91a18@BEAKER>; from gje@parrotheaven.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:14:35PM -0500 References: <002b01c02f11$43e3b580$e5a91a18@BEAKER> Message-ID: <20001005161503.T4620@real-time.com> > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > weeknights, and has pool tables... I've heard of it, never been there, tho. Since I work in EP, that would be a great spot for me. Carl Soderstrom -- "Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour, teach a man to brew and he'll waste a lifetime." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Oct 5 16:17:11 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > awww.. oh well.. late 20's isn't bad, married is not so fun tho. Right. Married isn't good. But late 20's is fine w/me, since I'm an old man of 28. Heh. We're awful chatty today. Must be a slow week or something. Here's an attempt to make this message somehow related to Linux: I'm getting my "AT&T Broadband" (nice name, AT&T marketdroids) cable modem installed next week (finally!). Anyone have any experience with setting up a Linux box to work with these? I'd like to use a Linux box as a IP masq/NAT router for the other machines in the house on the home LAN. Anyone else doing this? --- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 5 16:18:07 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > *drools over the pool tables* > > do they let minors in? :P Not if they're gonna drool on the pool tables. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 16:24:45 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <970781085.39dcf19d8d9b4@www.fandre.com> Quoting Nate Carlson : > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed > beers > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > *drools over the pool tables* > > do they let minors in? :P Yea, let's make it someplace where everyone can attend. Old Chicago would be cool. Not sure about TGIF's selection of beer. And yes we will still have the regular monthly meeting on the 1st Saturday. (Although it will be really boring without beer.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 16:23:44 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yep.. have it, works fine.. normal ip_masq, no problems.. end of linux interuption, back to talking about beer and women :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Chuck Milam wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > awww.. oh well.. late 20's isn't bad, married is not so fun tho. > > Right. Married isn't good. But late 20's is fine w/me, since I'm an old > man of 28. Heh. > > We're awful chatty today. Must be a slow week or something. > > Here's an attempt to make this message somehow related to Linux: > > I'm getting my "AT&T Broadband" (nice name, AT&T marketdroids) cable modem > installed next week (finally!). > > Anyone have any experience with setting up a Linux box to work with > these? I'd like to use a Linux box as a IP masq/NAT router for the > other machines in the house on the home LAN. Anyone else doing this? > > --- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 5 16:28:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <970781308.39dcf27c1fbe8@www.fandre.com> Quoting Chuck Milam : > I'm getting my "AT&T Broadband" (nice name, AT&T marketdroids) cable > modem > installed next week (finally!). > > Anyone have any experience with setting up a Linux box to work with > these? I'd like to use a Linux box as a IP masq/NAT router for the > other machines in the house on the home LAN. Anyone else doing this? > Where do you live? Anyone know if they're serving 2-way up in Andover yet? My IDSL sucks (goes down a few times a month) and it's only 144K. More bandwidth, more bandwidth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Oct 5 16:27:05 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970781308.39dcf27c1fbe8@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Where do you live? Anyone know if they're serving 2-way up in Andover > yet? My IDSL sucks (goes down a few times a month) and it's only 144K. > More bandwidth, more bandwidth River Falls, Wisconsin. Right over the border. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Thu Oct 5 16:31:47 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c02f13$aa179450$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > > than a half-dozen folks seated together. > > What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge > beer selection. Yeah, but every time I go to one of those places I wind up attacking the waitstaff with a fork and screaming about Kenny Loggins being the spawn of Satan. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 5 16:43:07 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: I would hate to exclude some of the younger blood because of that. My biggest problem with TCSA was that I couldn't join them afterwards at the bar for drinks. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > All of this beer talk has me thinking... Why don't we move the monthly meeting > to some pub and hold it on a weeknight so I have an excuse to drink some beer. > (Now that I have a kid I need an excuse) Anyone with me? Heck, we don't even > need a topic then. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 16:47:17 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: <39DCF6E5.F8338B87@usfamily.net> Actually Guinness is like the 16 best beer in the wourld, I cant remember the first, but i know that Erdinger Weiss is the 14th. bla_bla_bla wrote: > Haft to agree w/ that one Chimale(not sure on spelling) amongsts others by > the monks of belgium have the Brew down to a *T* and although I will admit > Guinness Draught is higher than all else. Long live the monks!!!! > "I became tuned in to a network of neurological signals... and cellular > wisdoms.....radiating at a hundred of millionths per second" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip C Mendelsohn" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > Yesterday was my 21st B-day. After work I stopped by Liquor Warezhouse > to > > > pick up some fire water. I wanted Red Stripe but they didn't have any, > so > > > I grabbed a case of Hacker Pschorr just because of the name. Bring it > up > > > to the counter, the guy glances at me, rings me up, takes my > > > money...doesn't even bother to card me. God! I've been waiting 21 > years > > > to buy my "first" beer and I'm finally old enough but it doesn't even > > > matter. I still get carded buying cigarettes for god sake. My working > > > theory is that I wasn't nervous, played it cool, and hadn't shaved that > > > morning. That and I wasn't buying Old Swillwaukie or miller high-life, > > > which is what all the high-school kids drink because it's all they can > > > get. > > > > I have a different suspicion about why you didn't get carded. Profit > > margin on "specialty" beers may be higher than on PBR, Bud, what have you. > > > > If you want to delve into beers futher, I might suggest that you look into > > the traditions of Belgian beer making. The Belgians are to beer as the > > French are to wine. > > > > Cheers, and congrats on another lap around the solar system. > > Phil M > > > > -- > > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 16:45:49 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <001001c02f13$aa179450$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: ROFLOL! I love old chicacgo, ( belive we had a TCLUG meeting there once ) and I've never been attacked.. the only place i refuse to go is Fridays, the decor is awful, and the wait staff is anoying. besides too many people bringing their screaming kids Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > > > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > > > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > > > than a half-dozen folks seated together. > > > > What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge > > beer selection. > > > Yeah, but every time I go to one of those places I wind up attacking the > waitstaff with a fork and screaming about Kenny Loggins being the spawn of > Satan. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 16:51:37 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <002b01c02f11$43e3b580$e5a91a18@BEAKER> Message-ID: <39DCF7E9.4CAF2072@usfamily.net> Yes pool tables are a must Greg Evans wrote: > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Milam" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:05 PM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer > > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > > > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > > > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > > > than a half-dozen folks seated together. > > > > What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge > > beer selection. > > > > -- > > Chuck Milam > > chuck@milams.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 5 16:49:09 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <001001c02f13$aa179450$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <39DCF755.721D3DD6@fruitioninc.com> > > > Yeah, but every time I go to one of those places I wind up attacking the > waitstaff with a fork and screaming about Kenny Loggins being the spawn of > Satan. > > Wow, I thought I was the only one who did that. ~j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 5 16:50:00 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:06:01PM -0500 References: <20001005205652.21432.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001005165000.A28246@mjjtech.net> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:06:01PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > yep.. that's about normal.. you are hitting DISK preformance limits.. not > chain limits.. here's what I get on a 10k RPM disk on an alpha 600 with a > symbios card.. you are also hitting the PCI bus limit of 133MB. this is > an active box.. so the numbers are a little low :( (load is about 2 right > now) > > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.53 seconds = 18.13 MB/sec > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 3.06 seconds = 41.80 MB/sec > > that's for normal UltraWide > > this one is a K6-2 450, with a buslogic (mylex) scsi card, and a 7200 RPM > disk (i think) (backup server, no load) > > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 5.54 seconds = 11.55 MB/sec > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 3.28 seconds = 39.02 MB/sec > > and finaly, a dual celeron with a 7200 RPM ide drive > > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.47 seconds = 18.44 MB/sec > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.49 seconds = 85.91 MB/sec > > all drives are fairly recent (less than 1 year old) IBM ultrastars, and > IDE is a deskstar. > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > > > I'm running Debian (kernal 2.2.17) on a server at > > home: PIII 700 256MB ram with an Adaptec 29160 SCSI > > controller and an IBM ultra 160 hard drive. When I run > > hdparm -Tt /dev/sda, it reports: > > > > Timing buffer-cache reads: ...= 128 MB/sec > > Timing buffered disk reads: ...= 19.05 MB/sec > > > > I'm not expecting max performance, but 19 MB/sec is a > > helluva lot slower than 160 MB/sec. Anyone have any > > thoughts on this? ---end quoted text--- I've got a new IBM ultrastar 7200rpm (purchased in June). The box currently has no load. According to your numbers, I should be getting at least twice the 19MB/sec. I'm not too worried about this. But I'm trying to understand as much as I can about the hardware...I'm a programmer, not a doctor :-) I haven't noticed any performance issues, but the results of hdparm indicates to me that things could use some tuning. mj -- Michael Josephson Software Development/Web Administration mjj@mjjtech.net www.mjjtech.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 5 17:04:23 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance In-Reply-To: <20001005165000.A28246@mjjtech.net> Message-ID: I don't know who told you this, but you are getting expected numbers. according to www.storage.ibm.com. an 18ES (18.3gig 7200RPM) has the folowing specs: susstained data rate of up to 20.2 MB/sec with a 7.0ms average seek time. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/ultra/18esdata.htm you have to remember, you are limited by media transfer rates, which allways lag behind bus transfer rates, which is why i tell people that even tho their UltraDMA/66 drive is fast, it's still no faster than what can be skimed off the platters, and a 40MB Ultrawide chain will still preform just as well. I did some benchmarks of the unloaded alpha 600, and if i remember right.. I was geting over 33MB/sec out of a 10k RPM disk Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:06:01PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > yep.. that's about normal.. you are hitting DISK preformance limits.. not > > chain limits.. here's what I get on a 10k RPM disk on an alpha 600 with a > > symbios card.. you are also hitting the PCI bus limit of 133MB. this is > > an active box.. so the numbers are a little low :( (load is about 2 right > > now) > > > > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.53 seconds = 18.13 MB/sec > > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 3.06 seconds = 41.80 MB/sec > > > > that's for normal UltraWide > > > > this one is a K6-2 450, with a buslogic (mylex) scsi card, and a 7200 RPM > > disk (i think) (backup server, no load) > > > > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 5.54 seconds = 11.55 MB/sec > > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 3.28 seconds = 39.02 MB/sec > > > > and finaly, a dual celeron with a 7200 RPM ide drive > > > > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.47 seconds = 18.44 MB/sec > > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.49 seconds = 85.91 MB/sec > > > > all drives are fairly recent (less than 1 year old) IBM ultrastars, and > > IDE is a deskstar. > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > > > > > I'm running Debian (kernal 2.2.17) on a server at > > > home: PIII 700 256MB ram with an Adaptec 29160 SCSI > > > controller and an IBM ultra 160 hard drive. When I run > > > hdparm -Tt /dev/sda, it reports: > > > > > > Timing buffer-cache reads: ...= 128 MB/sec > > > Timing buffered disk reads: ...= 19.05 MB/sec > > > > > > I'm not expecting max performance, but 19 MB/sec is a > > > helluva lot slower than 160 MB/sec. Anyone have any > > > thoughts on this? > ---end quoted text--- > > I've got a new IBM ultrastar 7200rpm (purchased in June). The box currently > has no load. According to your numbers, I should be getting at least twice > the 19MB/sec. > > I'm not too worried about this. But I'm trying to understand as much as I can > about the hardware...I'm a programmer, not a doctor :-) I haven't noticed any > performance issues, but the results of hdparm indicates to me that things could > use some tuning. > > mj > -- > Michael Josephson > Software Development/Web Administration > mjj@mjjtech.net > www.mjjtech.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Oct 5 17:10:27 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <970781308.39dcf27c1fbe8@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting Chuck Milam : > > > I'm getting my "AT&T Broadband" (nice name, AT&T marketdroids) cable > > modem > > installed next week (finally!). > > > > Anyone have any experience with setting up a Linux box to work with > > these? I'd like to use a Linux box as a IP masq/NAT router for the > > other machines in the house on the home LAN. Anyone else doing this? > > > > Where do you live? Anyone know if they're serving 2-way up in Andover yet? My > IDSL sucks (goes down a few times a month) and it's only 144K. voice>More bandwidth, more bandwidth > The last time I check with AT&T/MediaOne (a few weeks ago) they said that there'd be 2-way cable up here in Andover sometime 1st Q 2001. 56k sucks, I hope they are ahead of schedule. -Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 17:11:15 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22248] Adaptec scsi performance In-Reply-To: <20001005165000.A28246@mjjtech.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > I've got a new IBM ultrastar 7200rpm (purchased in June). The box currently > has no load. According to your numbers, I should be getting at least twice > the 19MB/sec. > > I'm not too worried about this. But I'm trying to understand as much as I can > about the hardware...I'm a programmer, not a doctor :-) I haven't noticed any > performance issues, but the results of hdparm indicates to me that things could > use some tuning. How's your SCSI controller configured? Did you enable wide, etc? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Oct 5 17:13:01 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > *drools over the pool tables* > > do they let minors in? :P They used too at least. I know I had lunches there when I worked down in that area a few years ago. -Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 5 17:23:03 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some of these places won't let minors in after a certain time. I tried to get into Classics (near france and excelsior) a year or so ago and they wouldn't let me be in there after 6:00. I had no problem getting into Al's Bar down the streat though... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > > > *drools over the pool tables* > > > > do they let minors in? :P > > They used too at least. I know I had lunches there when I worked down in > that area a few years ago. > > -Brent > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 5 17:32:56 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: Message-ID: <39DD0198.EA83B844@usfamily.net> I'm sure that with enough advanced warning and a large group of people over 21 they would let minors in. Just explain what we want before hand so that they know we are comming. Adam Maloney wrote: > Some of these places won't let minors in after a certain time. I tried to > get into Classics (near france and excelsior) a year or so ago and they > wouldn't let me be in there after 6:00. I had no problem getting into > Al's Bar down the streat though... > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > > > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > > > > > *drools over the pool tables* > > > > > > do they let minors in? :P > > > > They used too at least. I know I had lunches there when I worked down in > > that area a few years ago. > > > > -Brent > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 5 17:32:46 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <39DD0198.EA83B844@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <39DD018E.644ABF68@fruitioninc.com> Yeah depending on the place..if we call ahead, minors are usually welcome until a certain hour.. Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I'm sure that with enough advanced warning and a large group of people over 21 they > would let minors in. Just explain what we want before hand so that they know we are > comming. > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Some of these places won't let minors in after a certain time. I tried to > > get into Classics (near france and excelsior) a year or so ago and they > > wouldn't let me be in there after 6:00. I had no problem getting into > > Al's Bar down the streat though... > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > > > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > > > > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > > > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > > > > > > > *drools over the pool tables* > > > > > > > > do they let minors in? :P > > > > > > They used too at least. I know I had lunches there when I worked down in > > > that area a few years ago. > > > > > > -Brent > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 5 19:57:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities Message-ID: I was reading this article on Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/04/140229&mode=nested and I thought it might be interesting to try something like this here in the twin cities area. I've seen people make directional antennas and squeeze about 7 miles out of a WaveLan card. One of the sites that the slashdot article refers to has plans for building different antennas. I'm thinking something along the lines of a large private network with wireless nodes running MRTd (http://www.mrtd.net), and points of access to the internet at large. Anyone else think this might be interesting? FYI, I live 23 stories up in downtown saint paul, so I have a pretty good view to alot of outlying areas. ---------- Jay Austad Network Administrator CBS Marketwatch 612.817.1271 austad@marketwatch.com http://cbs.marketwatch.com http://www.bigcharts.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 5 20:07:15 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: <39DCED00.169320C6@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > PS to Ben: Most of the webgrrls weren't really girls at all, they were married > professionals in their late 20's to early 40's! Um, you probably ought not just say they were "married professionals" without some indication of *what* profession. As the Yale professor wrote as a comment when a student said "the woman fell and lay prostitute at the bottom of the stairs," there is a difference between a woman who has fallen and one who has merely slipped! Sorry -- reading closely is a compulsion of mine. A couple of beers should take care of it. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 5 20:12:19 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: <39DCF6E5.F8338B87@usfamily.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Actually Guinness is like the 16 best beer in the wourld, I cant remember the > first, but i know that Erdinger Weiss is the 14th. Um, I think it's more like the rational numbers. If you rank any two beers, I bet I can always find one that ranks between them. Anyway, it's a nice problem to research. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chad at bitstream.net Thu Oct 5 20:30:40 2000 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if you're not familiar with the area. Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's not even Friday yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 4 20:30:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <39DCAEED.ABB65F2F@usfamily.net> <39DCAF3B.2588155B@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <000e01c02e6b$d6c6b920$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Another good one is RedHook ESB. I believe it is from Washington. At least, it tasted pretty good at Old Chicago in Duluth :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacqueline Urick To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > My boyfriend hates Summit IPA and EPA. I love it. I like James Page Amber or > Iron Range better than Summit, tho. Speaking of Minnesotan, I'm surprised no > one's mentioned Premium! > > jacque > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 4 20:31:49 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: <970775548.39dcdbfc8b2a7@www.fandre.com> <20001005145831.K4620@real-time.com> <970776551.39dcdfe7e57f8@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <002401c02e6c$0814cb20$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Rock Bottom Brewery!!! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Clay Fandre To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer > Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > > > I'm all in favor of that. at least have a meeting some weeknight at a > > bar or > > restaurant where we can just sit, talk to our friends and maybe enjoy > > something to drink. > > > > no real formal organization is needed; just someone say "I'm going to be > > at > > such-and-such bar/restaurant at such-and-such time, come on over if you > > feel > > like it". that's probably the best way to do it. > > > > a bar would be good, but a restaurant might be better (so that our > > under-21 > > members can get in). Nate Carlson might even be able to show up, if his > > girlfriend lets him. :) > > We could have it at a different location each month. I live up nor't so it would > be nice to have it up there once every couple months. > > I would ask Nate where he wants it, but he wouldn't show up anyway... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:00:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities References: Message-ID: <39DD3222.ED034B17@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I was reading this article on Slashdot: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/04/140229&mode=nested > > and I thought it might be interesting to try something like this here in the > twin cities area. I've seen people make directional antennas and squeeze > about 7 miles out of a WaveLan card. One of the sites that the slashdot > article refers to has plans for building different antennas. > > I'm thinking something along the lines of a large private network with > wireless nodes running MRTd (http://www.mrtd.net), and points of access to > the internet at large. Anyone else think this might be interesting? > > FYI, I live 23 stories up in downtown saint paul, so I have a pretty good > view to alot of outlying areas. Could you get a signal to a DEC Multia in an 86 Buick Century? ;) Failing that there's www.novatelwireless.com ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 5 20:59:10 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities Message-ID: Novatel is CDPD though. Not fast by any means. -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I was reading this article on Slashdot: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/04/140229&mode=nested > > and I thought it might be interesting to try something like this here in the > twin cities area. I've seen people make directional antennas and squeeze > about 7 miles out of a WaveLan card. One of the sites that the slashdot > article refers to has plans for building different antennas. > > I'm thinking something along the lines of a large private network with > wireless nodes running MRTd (http://www.mrtd.net), and points of access to > the internet at large. Anyone else think this might be interesting? > > FYI, I live 23 stories up in downtown saint paul, so I have a pretty good > view to alot of outlying areas. Could you get a signal to a DEC Multia in an 86 Buick Century? ;) Failing that there's www.novatelwireless.com ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:07:18 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities References: <39DD3222.ED034B17@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39DD33D6.250BA4D3@tcfreenet.org> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > I was reading this article on Slashdot: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/04/140229&mode=nested > > > > and I thought it might be interesting to try something like this here in the > > twin cities area. I've seen people make directional antennas and squeeze > > about 7 miles out of a WaveLan card. One of the sites that the slashdot > > article refers to has plans for building different antennas. > > > > I'm thinking something along the lines of a large private network with > > wireless nodes running MRTd (http://www.mrtd.net), and points of access to > > the internet at large. Anyone else think this might be interesting? > > > > FYI, I live 23 stories up in downtown saint paul, so I have a pretty good > > view to alot of outlying areas. > > Could you get a signal to a DEC Multia in an 86 Buick Century? ;) > > Failing that there's www.novatelwireless.com ... Hmmm. And could digital TV minidishes be useful? I keep hearing of ways to get them free... (The hook being they're useless unless you pay for service. Well, until now... ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:29:16 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities References: Message-ID: <39DD38FC.7EBFDD11@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Novatel is CDPD though. Not fast by any means. 192kps. Fast enough for IRC. And more realistically usable in a vehicle... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:31:21 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: Message-ID: <39DD3979.A140B478@tcfreenet.org> Chuck Milam wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > > than a half-dozen folks seated together. > > What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge > beer selection. How about Perkins? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:34:33 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22226] Try Eros... (was Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD) References: <20001005121312.A422@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39DD3A39.3D634145@tcfreenet.org> > design. I'm really intrigued by Eros, much more so than by HURD. > Partially because I don't want to deal with RMS's evangelism on the > HURD mailing list/development circle, but also because I think Eros > has a more solid design. So what is* the point of HURD, other than stroking RMS's ego? Why write HURD when we've got Linux, other than said reason. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Oct 5 21:35:52 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22295] Aservices stalling References: <39DD3222.ED034B17@tcfreenet.org> <39DD33D6.250BA4D3@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39DD3A88.8AD0CEF9@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> I've got a system serving up my DSL connection (RH 6.2), running DHCP and doing IP forwarding. The system will sometimes take a long time to respond to DHCP requests and ssh logins almost as if the services have gone to sleep. DHCP will give the IP address and the requesting system has access to the internet but 'ifup' doesn't report that the process has completed for an extended period. SSH will ask for the password and then hang. If I try again after a bit it works just fine. Once the connection is established everything works like it should. Why might this system be acting in such a way? Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:42:32 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: Message-ID: <39DD3C18.73243A45@tcfreenet.org> Chuck Milam wrote: > > Ah, now you must learn to love Guinness: The choice stout of Linux > hackers everywhere. http://hi.perkinz.org/pics/punchlan/ben%20doing%20something%20important.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 5 21:47:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer Message-ID: Did I hear beer?? You need a place that can seat a bunch of people?? Gasthof Zur Gemutlichkeit 2300 University Ave NE, Minneapolis, MN 55418-3499 Phone: (612)781-3860 German restarant/bar, lot's of GREAT german (and other) beers, meters of apple shots, and some of the best food ever. They have looonnngg tables that can seat over 20 people, and you can grab a whole section if you want. Very cool place. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:31 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer Chuck Milam wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > There's also the Herkimer, a restaurant & brewpub on Lyndale -- they > > do some great in-house brews and their french fries are delightful. > > Again, though, if it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more > > than a half-dozen folks seated together. > > What about one of the "Old Chicago" chain restaurants? They have a huge > beer selection. How about Perkins? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 5 21:50:52 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities Message-ID: For vehicles, this is great, but the speed still isn't there. I wish they'd roll out Ricochet here, 128kbps wireless. I'm thinking more of a large private network, mainly for fun, but also for those who can't get DSL or a cable modem. I don't mind sharing mine with a couple of people, as long as it's not saturated all day. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Novatel is CDPD though. Not fast by any means. 192kps. Fast enough for IRC. And more realistically usable in a vehicle... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 21:57:22 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: Message-ID: <39DD3F92.A17AE342@tcfreenet.org> > > I will give one point - all binaries in /bin and /sbin are statically > > linked, thus the system will always boot - even without the C libraries. To > > make such a distribution on Linux is problematic - because it is all based > > upon GNU source code - and some of the binaries from a single package reside > > in both /bin and /usr/bin for instance. So the same package would have to > > be compiled twice and only the relevent binaries copied. > i think that's more distro dependant.. but i have had very few library > booting problems before, and I'd much rather have /bin/bash dynamicaly > linked to save memory. I do keep a copy of staticaly linked /bin/ash > around for emergency fixing. but i rarely have to use it. cal@bigtime:~$ ldd /bin/bash libtermcap.so.2 => /lib/libtermcap.so.2 (0x4001d000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40021000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40024000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) cal@bigtime:~$ ldd /sbin/init libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001d000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) Why is dynamic stuff in /bin and /sbin a problem? The libraries are in /lib, which should be on the root partition as well. If / is hosed you've got bigger problems than worrying about static binaries... > > Also, the kernel is organized in a much different manner. I think the Linux > > kernel source is far easier to read and understand, but it is not as > > efficient as the BSD kernel. That is changing every day and the two are > > getting closer. Show me the numbers, otherwise its just talk. ;) > > Linux still supports more hardware - but the gap is nearly closed on that > > one (and out of the box - before kernel patches - FreeBSD may have Linux > > beat). BSD did USB before linux, you can give it that much... > linux and BSD have been sharing device drivers, and kernel code for a > while now. linux took from the BSD networking code, improved on it, now > linux has a very fast networkign stack. BSD has taken many device drivers > from linux, Iomega Zip paralell driver comes to mind. To me, this is a > good thing, sharing code is what open souce is about. Ummm, what about the differing licenses? GPL/LGPL stuff certainly can't go into BSD, dunno about the other way. I did see the e2fs stuff in BSD in a clearly seperate source tree though... > > If you have UltraDMA storage hardware, you can't beat FreeBSD. Linux does > > not have the ATA chipset support (with or without hendrick's patches) that > > FreeBSD has. > I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about, from my understanding > FreeBSD has allways had lackluster IDE support. as far as DMA mode, most > distros leave DMA mode disabled by default for compatability reasons. a > simple /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda turns on DMA support, making things MUCH > faster Linux kernel 2.2 does have that "Use DMA by default" kernel compile option... And Linux claims to be the first OS with UDMA100 support. BSD didn't get there first did they? ;) And just to bash Linux a little, the VM in 2.2 really does suck ass. I'm considering going to 2.4 now that a certain filesystem eating bug has been fixed and a much improved VM is in and apparently working. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rjb at artimex.com Thu Oct 5 22:26:47 2000 From: rjb at artimex.com (Robert Brashear) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer References: Message-ID: <39DD4677.F1B32914@artimex.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Did I hear beer?? You need a place that can seat a bunch of people?? > > Gasthof Zur Gemutlichkeit > 2300 University Ave NE, > Minneapolis, MN 55418-3499 > Phone: (612)781-3860 > > German restarant/bar, lot's of GREAT german (and other) beers, meters of > apple shots, and some of the best food ever. They have looonnngg tables > that can seat over 20 people, and you can grab a whole section if you want. > Very cool place. > > Jay You're right. Great place! Just have to deal with the waitress screaming "ziggy zaggy, ziggy zaggy , hoi, hoi, hoi!" Bob Brashear --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 22:57:44 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22283] wireless networking in the Twin Cities References: Message-ID: <39DD4DB8.75FB7D37@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > For vehicles, this is great, but the speed still isn't there. I wish they'd > roll out Ricochet here, 128kbps wireless. Mmmmm... Is that actually out now? Last I heard it was still 28.8... > I'm thinking more of a large private network, mainly for fun, but also for > those who can't get DSL or a cable modem. I don't mind sharing mine with a > couple of people, as long as it's not saturated all day. :) Yeah well I'm thinking of putting a Multia in my car initally for mp3, then taking things to their logical conclusion... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 5 23:11:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22154] CDRs for installfest References: <20001004171618.U8909@real-time.com> <20001004195515.C11943@sgi.com> Message-ID: <39DD510C.E5D5243@tcfreenet.org> John Hesterberg wrote: > > Nothing against Gladiator :-), but you might also consider contacting > PogoLinux. At their page for Free LINUX CDs: Ick. Only RH6.2. We're supposed to be getting people upgraded to RH7 and debian potato. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 23:26:49 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:47:46PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001005232649.U5917@real-time.com> > Did I hear beer?? You need a place that can seat a bunch of people?? > > Gasthof Zur Gemutlichkeit > 2300 University Ave NE, > Minneapolis, MN 55418-3499 > Phone: (612)781-3860 > > German restarant/bar, lot's of GREAT german (and other) beers, meters of > apple shots, and some of the best food ever. They have looonnngg tables > that can seat over 20 people, and you can grab a whole section if you want. > Very cool place. naah... gotta go to the Original! the Gasthof Zur Gemutlichkeit in Montrose is *far* better! (not least because it's only 15 minutes from my house instead of an hour.) ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 5 23:36:38 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22226] Try Eros... (was Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD) In-Reply-To: <39DD3A39.3D634145@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:34:33PM -0500 References: <20001005121312.A422@wookimus.net> <39DD3A39.3D634145@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001005233638.V5917@real-time.com> > So what is* the point of HURD, other than stroking RMS's ego? Why write > HURD when we've got Linux, other than said reason. ;) because people *can*, that's the primary reason why. ;) in theory, HURD's microkernel design is more efficient, more secure, and more flexible than a monolithic kernel. it's a nice theory. even Linus himself once said something along the lines that if it had been a bit farther along in development, he wouldn't have written Linux. however, HURD is one of those things that seems to be the technology of the future -- always has been, always will be. Monolithic kernels so far have worked a lot better in practice than microkernels do (depending on who you talk to and what examples they use). My understanding of the problems with HURD, is that performance is terrible, due to the context switches between processes. (supposedly it's about 10x faster to compile the HURD kernel on Linux, than to do it on HURD itself.) if anyone can correct me, please do; I'm genuinely curious. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Oct 6 00:01:51 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22226] Try Eros... (was Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD) References: <20001005121312.A422@wookimus.net> <39DD3A39.3D634145@tcfreenet.org> <20001005233638.V5917@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39DD5CBF.6A7308EA@tcfreenet.org> > My understanding of the problems with HURD, is that performance is terrible, > due to the context switches between processes. (supposedly it's about 10x > faster to compile the HURD kernel on Linux, than to do it on HURD itself.) > if anyone can correct me, please do; I'm genuinely curious. Which is the exact reason Linus stated microkernels suck. The context switching kills your performance badly. How does QNX handle this, or does it? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From roundhead666 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 00:07:31 2000 From: roundhead666 at hotmail.com (bla_bla_bla) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant References: <39DCF6E5.F8338B87@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Just to keep it off topic: >Actually Guinness is like the 16 best beer in the wourld Well if that is true then why drink anything less? and whos standards are we useing anyways? see ya in the pub!! A toast to thee Eyerisch!! roundy p.s. I am the newbie to the group, been sittin back for months and lurking. Now due to the fact that I like Beer I felt compelled to relay a little on something I know a lot (more than i should) about. In the future (near) I hope to contribute some knowledge to the list. As I have gathered quite a lot in the last months. Maybe I will crawl out of the shell and visit the linux homies on the next meeting. A wish.... All meetings need Beer, wine and some Glen Levit ..... nite all --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 6 00:32:41 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22234] Monthly meeting needs beer In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 05:23:03PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001006003241.C23061@ringworld.org> It's odd. I got into the LWCE VA party (oops!) with no problems. ('twas a 21-only party, stupid SJ laws.) Depends on whos gonna card you, right? :) * Adam Maloney [001005 17:23]: > Some of these places won't let minors in after a certain time. I tried to > get into Classics (near france and excelsior) a year or so ago and they > wouldn't let me be in there after 6:00. I had no problem getting into > Al's Bar down the streat though... > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Greg Evans wrote: > > > > The Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie serves their own brewed beers > > > > which are pretty good, has a huge room that isn't very crowded on > > > > weeknights, and has pool tables... > > > > > > *drools over the pool tables* > > > > > > do they let minors in? :P > > > > They used too at least. I know I had lunches there when I worked down in > > that area a few years ago. > > > > -Brent > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Again, though, if > it's a busy night, we'd have trouble getting more than a half-dozen folks seated > together. Hey Hey Hey, Rudolfs BBQ is a nice spot, franklin and lyndale. The Brew selection is quite nice and (Guinness on tap) ooooh those Wings, forget fries. + they can serve a 20+ crowd easily in the bar or the restruant. and there is a happy hour everday 4-7pm and 10-1am for those who would like to save a buck or two. l8tr bla*bla*bla roundy "I became turned off taking a premium....wiping my hieniken....and leaving a summit" hehehe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Oct 6 08:16:57 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: <39DD3F92.A17AE342@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <003c01c02f97$b49c4040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> > cal@bigtime:~$ ldd /bin/bash > libtermcap.so.2 => /lib/libtermcap.so.2 (0x4001d000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40021000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40024000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) > cal@bigtime:~$ ldd /sbin/init > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001d000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) > > Why is dynamic stuff in /bin and /sbin a problem? The libraries are in > /lib, which should be on the root partition as well. If / is hosed > you've got bigger problems than worrying about static binaries... If you ever upgrade your C library - things do not always go well. It can be a pain in the but to roll that back. The BSD's are built to be entirely upgradable from source code. Linux does not work that way. Just remember the upgrade from libc5 to glibc. Also, if you keep /bin and /sbin static, you don't have to include the C libraries on the root partition. They really belong on the usr partition anyway I would think - as they are required by binaries that are linked after a system is already installed. You can argue this point anyway you want - and who would be right or wrong - probably nobody. I happen to like this choice though. > > > > Also, the kernel is organized in a much different manner. I think the Linux > > > kernel source is far easier to read and understand, but it is not as > > > efficient as the BSD kernel. That is changing every day and the two are > > > getting closer. > > Show me the numbers, otherwise its just talk. ;) I have read it over the last few months in many places. If you want to verify it, go ahead, if you don't that is fine. I don't ask anybody to take me at my word, but for myself, I know it is true. As far as the kernel source code goes, I have looked through both, and the Linux kernel source is far easier to read. Since this is pro Linux, I don't suspect you will argue that point ;) > > BSD did USB before linux, you can give it that much... They did SB Live! and UltraDMA33,66,100 before Linux as well. They also did networking before Linux :) > > > linux and BSD have been sharing device drivers, and kernel code for a > > while now. linux took from the BSD networking code, improved on it, now > > linux has a very fast networkign stack. BSD has taken many device drivers > > from linux, Iomega Zip paralell driver comes to mind. To me, this is a > > good thing, sharing code is what open souce is about. > > Ummm, what about the differing licenses? GPL/LGPL stuff certainly can't > go into BSD, dunno about the other way. I did see the e2fs stuff in BSD > in a clearly seperate source tree though... If you look around the Linux source tree (perhaps kernel and certainly userland) you will find lots of code that is under the BSD license. > > > > If you have UltraDMA storage hardware, you can't beat FreeBSD. Linux does > > > not have the ATA chipset support (with or without hendrick's patches) that > > > FreeBSD has. > > > I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about, from my understanding > > FreeBSD has allways had lackluster IDE support. as far as DMA mode, most > > distros leave DMA mode disabled by default for compatability reasons. a > > simple /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda turns on DMA support, making things MUCH > > faster > > Linux kernel 2.2 does have that "Use DMA by default" kernel compile > option... That is DMA, not UltraDMA aka ATA. FreeBSD as of version 4.0 has totally rewritten the IDE support so that it uses UltraDMA 33, 66 and 100 as well as other versions such as WDMA (?) and the early forms. I once saw some bonnie benchmarks posted (to freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) that had UltraDMA performance outperforming all other unices and I believe Windows 98. > > And Linux claims to be the first OS with UDMA100 support. BSD didn't get > there first did they? ;) Certainly they did in a release mode. UDMA100 is supported in FreeBSD 4.1 (and maybe 4.0). There is no release version of Linux 2.2.17 or earlier that has ANY UDMA66 or better support. > > And just to bash Linux a little, the VM in 2.2 really does suck ass. I'm > considering going to 2.4 now that a certain filesystem eating bug has > been fixed and a much improved VM is in and apparently working. ;) FreeBSD 4.x just had its VM rewritten and that is why it is so much faster than previous versions. There have been "testemonials" that it is the fasted operating system that some people have ever used. You can take that with a grain of salt though. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Oct 6 11:45:42 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration Message-ID: I upgraded from RedHat 6.2 to 7.0 on my laptop, and when prompted to try the "default" desktop and window manager settings, I accepted. That meant going from enlightement to sawfish, which I'm happy to try. After playing around with the configuration settings, I can't get the mouse focus / window behavior to work the way I want: I use a sloppy focus, so that moving the mouse into a window focuses on that window, and the focus remains there until the mouse enters another window. I got that part to work fine in sawfish. The part I can't get is to bring the window to the front if I click once on the titlebar. I've played around with many of the mouse focus settings, and can't determine which one, if any, will do that. That means I'm forced to either move the window, or click on the icon on the menubar to bring a window forward. Is it possible to do this in sawfish? If so, how? Thanks, Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 6 11:57:13 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration References: Message-ID: <39DE0469.65887A9B@ltiflex.com> The default is right click on the titlebar. I seem to remember that being changalbe, but can't find the option right now. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 6 12:09:59 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22312] [Fw: Re: [pptp-server] pptp client, Win2k server - problems!] Message-ID: Here's options to get PPTP client working with a W2K server w/ encryption.. cool. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:51:49 -0500 From: Jerry Vonau To: Elijah Smith Cc: "'pptp-server@lists.schulte.org'" Subject: Re: [pptp-server] pptp client, Win2k server - problems! Hi All: This is my ppp options: lock noauth debug user USER >required for password PASSWORD >MS chap and above (sorry Adam, I was right) noauth +chap +chapms +chapms-v2 mppe-40 mppe-128 mppe-stateless start the clint form the command line: /usr/sbin/pptp SERVERIP lock noauth debug user USERNAME +chapms-v2 mppe-128 mppe-stateless noauth Replace the UPPERCASE with your info. Jerry Vonau Network Administrator Winnipeg Motor Express\ Ram Messenger Elijah Smith wrote: > > > To recap - I'm getting a "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests" error > when trying to connect with a pptp client to a win2k server. > > there were several suggestions to change "AUTH" to "NOAUTH" in the ppp > options file. So I did this. Let me ask everyone, though - as a > client, should I include: > > +chap > +chapms > +chapms-v2 > mppe-40 > mppe-128 > mppe-stateless > > or are those not useful as a client? > > Anyway, I'm still getting the same timeout problem, but now the > request being sent looks like this: > > ...sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 > ] > ...last message repeated 9 times > ...LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests > > So, the bit is gone, but it's still dying. > > Thanks to everyone that responded, I really appreciate it! Any other > suggestions? > > Thanks! > > eli > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Vonau > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:12 AM > To: Elijah Smith > Cc: 'pptp-server@lists.schulte.org' > Subject: Re: [pptp-server] pptp client, Win2k server - problems! > > check your ppp options file if this is a client , change AUTH to > NOAUTH > > Jerry > > Elijah Smith wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, everyone - I'm trying to connect to my Windows 2000 router at > work > > with my firewall/router Linux box at home. I'm almost there - so > > close I can smell it - but I can't figure out this problem. I've > read > > back through the archives of this list, as well, but haven't seen > any > > answers to this problem... > > > > my client is: > > > > RedHat Linux 6.2 > > pppd 2.3.8 with all patches installed > > pptp 1.0.2 > > > > and the server's Win2k. I can connect with a Win98 client, no > > problem. But when I try to connect using pptp, I get: > > > > ...Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttya0 > > ...Sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 > 0xe6251907> \ > > ...last message repeated 9 times > > ...LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests > > > > ...with no other interesting messages occuring. Win2k just doesn't > > seem to be responding. However, in the Win2k log file, I get a > > warning: > > > > "The user connected to port VPN3-4 has been disconnected because the > > > authentication process did not complete within the required amount > of > > time." > > > > So, I'm pretty stumped. Has anyone else out there seen this happen, > > > or have any insight? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > Eli Smith _______________________________________________ pptp-server maillist - pptp-server@lists.schulte.org http://lists.schulte.org/mailman/listinfo/pptp-server List services provided by www.schulteconsulting.com! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 6 12:10:15 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22313] [Fw: RE: [pptp-server] pptp client, Win2k server - problems!] Message-ID: ...and here's some patches. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Eastep To: Elijah Smith Cc: "'pptp-server@lists.schulte.org'" Subject: RE: [pptp-server] pptp client, Win2k server - problems! Eli, Thus spoke Elijah Smith: > > To recap - I'm getting a "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests" error when > trying to connect with a pptp client to a win2k server. > > there were several suggestions to change "AUTH" to "NOAUTH" in the ppp > options file. So I did this. Let me ask everyone, though - as a client, > should I include: > > +chap > +chapms > +chapms-v2 > mppe-40 > mppe-128 > mppe-stateless > > or are those not useful as a client? > > Anyway, I'm still getting the same timeout problem, but now the request > being sent looks like this: > > ..sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 > ] > ...last message repeated 9 times > ...LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests > > So, the bit is gone, but it's still dying. > > > Thanks to everyone that responded, I really appreciate it! Any other > suggestions? > I have a patch for pptp-linux 1.0.2 that corrects problems with these symptoms at: ftp://seawall.sourceforge.net/pub/Seawall/patches/callid.patch -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Eastep's First Principle of Computing: ICQ #60745924 \ "Any sane computer will tell you how it teastep@evergo.net \ works if you ask it the proper questions" Shoreline, Washington USA \___________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pptp-server maillist - pptp-server@lists.schulte.org http://lists.schulte.org/mailman/listinfo/pptp-server List services provided by www.schulteconsulting.com! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 6 13:33:10 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration References: Message-ID: <39DE1AE6.80DE3FC2@fandre.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I upgraded from RedHat 6.2 to 7.0 on my laptop, and when prompted to try > the "default" desktop and window manager settings, I accepted. > That meant going from enlightement to sawfish, which I'm happy to try. > > After playing around with the configuration settings, I can't get the > mouse focus / window behavior to work the way I want: > > I use a sloppy focus, so that moving the mouse into a window focuses on > that window, and the focus remains there until the mouse enters another > window. I got that part to work fine in sawfish. > > The part I can't get is to bring the window to the front if I click once > on the titlebar. I've played around with many of the mouse focus settings, > and can't determine which one, if any, will do that. That means I'm forced > to either move the window, or click on the icon on the menubar to bring a > window forward. > > Is it possible to do this in sawfish? If so, how? Control-Center --> Sawfish window manager --> Shortcuts --> Title Then edit "Button3-Off" "Raise lower window and transients" and change it to "Button1-Off". Personally I like to click on a window to raise it, so I added the following to Shortcuts --> Window. "Button1-Click1" "Raise window and pass through click" This will also allow you to click on the titlebar to raise the window. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Oct 6 13:41:16 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration In-Reply-To: <39DE1AE6.80DE3FC2@fandre.com> Message-ID: > > Is it possible to do this in sawfish? If so, how? > > Control-Center --> Sawfish window manager --> Shortcuts --> Title > Then edit "Button3-Off" "Raise lower window and transients" and change > it to > "Button1-Off". That did the trick. Thanks a lot... > Personally I like to click on a window to raise it, so I added the > following to Shortcuts --> Window. > "Button1-Click1" "Raise window and pass through click" > > This will also allow you to click on the titlebar to raise the window. Since the first one did that, whas does this second thing do? I guess I don't really understand the "pass through" bit. Also, how can I modify the scrollbars? I'm not happy with how wide they are, plus the color is kind of yucky. Thanks again, Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 13:59:43 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22316] For Sale Message-ID: I have a quantity of four Sun Ultra 1 systems. There are two 170Mhz systems and two 200Mhz systems. All come with as follows: 128MB of memory 20" Monitor Keyboard Mouse Creator 3D graphics card 2 GB HD CD Floppy The 170Mhz is going for $1300, and the 200Mhz is selling for $1500. If interested give me a call at 651 687 9435 ext. 22 Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Oct 6 14:10:47 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! Message-ID: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Subject says it all. Since, Redhat 7.0 was such a bomb, do you think real-time will be mirroring SUSE in the future :?) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 6 16:00:32 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22316] For Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: damn.. i wouldn't mind one of those.. a little spendy for a 200mhz box with IDE tho. the 20" monitor is a bonus tho. too bad i'm broke :( Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > I have a quantity of four Sun Ultra 1 systems. There are two 170Mhz systems > and two 200Mhz systems. > > All come with as follows: > > 128MB of memory > 20" Monitor > Keyboard > Mouse > Creator 3D graphics card > 2 GB HD > CD > Floppy > > > The 170Mhz is going for $1300, and the 200Mhz is selling for $1500. If > interested give me a call at 651 687 9435 ext. 22 > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Oct 6 16:05:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22316] For Sale In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:00:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001006160541.A92920@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ummm.. Ultra 1's aren't IDE. They and the Ultra 2's were the last _real_ Sparc workstations, IMHO. They have SBUS and the full 9 yards. The Ultra 5s and 10s, OTOH, have IDE :( Gabe On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > damn.. i wouldn't mind one of those.. a little spendy for a 200mhz box > with IDE tho. the 20" monitor is a bonus tho. too bad i'm broke :( > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > I have a quantity of four Sun Ultra 1 systems. There are two 170Mhz systems > > and two 200Mhz systems. > > > > All come with as follows: > > > > 128MB of memory > > 20" Monitor > > Keyboard > > Mouse > > Creator 3D graphics card > > 2 GB HD > > CD > > Floppy > > > > > > The 170Mhz is going for $1300, and the 200Mhz is selling for $1500. If > > interested give me a call at 651 687 9435 ext. 22 > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Oct 6 16:43:09 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22316] For Sale In-Reply-To: <20001006160541.A92920@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Ummm.. Ultra 1's aren't IDE. They and the Ultra 2's were the last _real_ > Sparc workstations, IMHO. They have SBUS and the full 9 yards. The Ultra > 5s and 10s, OTOH, have IDE :( Yeah, it's very, VERY sad. A few months ago I had to put an IDE HDD in an Ultra5, I felt dirty. On the other hand, it was a second HDD so I _did_ have to hack the box to make room for it (no floppy for YOU!) -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 6 16:46:27 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22316] For Sale In-Reply-To: <20001006160541.A92920@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: really? hrm.. i thought the one was an IDE box.. oh.. well.. it's still kinda expensive, even with the 20" monitor Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Ummm.. Ultra 1's aren't IDE. They and the Ultra 2's were the last _real_ > Sparc workstations, IMHO. They have SBUS and the full 9 yards. The Ultra > 5s and 10s, OTOH, have IDE :( > > Gabe > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > damn.. i wouldn't mind one of those.. a little spendy for a 200mhz box > > with IDE tho. the 20" monitor is a bonus tho. too bad i'm broke :( > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a quantity of four Sun Ultra 1 systems. There are two 170Mhz systems > > > and two 200Mhz systems. > > > > > > All come with as follows: > > > > > > 128MB of memory > > > 20" Monitor > > > Keyboard > > > Mouse > > > Creator 3D graphics card > > > 2 GB HD > > > CD > > > Floppy > > > > > > > > > The 170Mhz is going for $1300, and the 200Mhz is selling for $1500. If > > > interested give me a call at 651 687 9435 ext. 22 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Oct 6 19:20:18 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22119] where is caldera's netware client References: Message-ID: <39DE6C42.55174AD8@black-hole.com> I probably have it on one of my distros, v2.3, v2.4 and kernal 2.4 eval distro. Ben Luey wrote: > I want to install caldera's netware client, without installing there > OpenLinux distro. Is this possible? I've searched all over their web site > and I can't find there netware client -- only the docs (old download links > are redirected to the docs page). Any Ideas? > > Ben > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 6 19:41:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration References: Message-ID: <39DE7138.E58B4796@fandre.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Since the first one did that, whas does this second thing do? > I guess I don't really understand the "pass through" bit. Pass through means to pass the click onto the application. Without the passthrough, the first click would raise the window but not do anything with the application (like selecting text or something) so you would have to click it again once the application is raised to have it do something. It's obvious if you try this with the right mouse button and netscape, since the right button brings up a menu. > > Also, how can I modify the scrollbars? I'm not happy with how wide they > are, plus the color is kind of yucky. The size and colors are controlled through: Control Center->Sawfish->Apprearance and then change the Frame Style(Theme). Make sure you have the sawfish-themes RPM installed so you get a bunch to choose from. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 6 19:46:53 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Subject says it all. > > Since, Redhat 7.0 was such a bomb, do you think real-time will be mirroring > SUSE in the future :?) Why is RH7 such a bomb? Or do you mean 'the bomb'? Hee Hee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 19:55:04 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> Message-ID: <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> There have been all sorts of bugs reported about it. They even out did Microsoft on this one :) Upgrades ended up formatting hard drives - glibc wasn't even remotely compatible to many apps. Many things simply broke. People mention that they can't wait to try SUSE, but they might wait for their laptops to recover from Redhat 7.0. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Subject says it all. > > > > Since, Redhat 7.0 was such a bomb, do you think real-time will be mirroring > > SUSE in the future :?) > > Why is RH7 such a bomb? Or do you mean 'the bomb'? Hee Hee > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Oct 6 19:57:17 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration In-Reply-To: <39DE7138.E58B4796@fandre.com> Message-ID: > > The size and colors are controlled through: > Control Center->Sawfish->Apprearance and then change the Frame > Style(Theme). > > Make sure you have the sawfish-themes RPM installed so you get a bunch > to choose from. Does the version matter? I don't find sawfish-themes on any of the install or powertools disks, but it does have sawfish-themer, which I gather is for building themes. Rpmfind.net has sawfish-thems-0.2-0_helix_1-i386.rpm.... Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Oct 6 20:39:54 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22327] Network troubles (SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable) Message-ID: <20001006203954.A12971@knicknack.net> I just got a new system (Asus A7V mobo, 800 MHz Athalon processor, Matrox G400) and am trying to install a network card that I already had on hand. I have installed Slackware 7.1 (kernel 2.2.16). The card is a Kingston card based on the RealTek RTL8139 chip. The driver modules loads fine, although it reports the card at IRQ 0 (yes, that's zero). When I try to ifconfig the eth0 interface, however, it reports the messages: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable". I have the same card in another machine which works fine and this card also works fine under Windows ME in this machine. I also tried a Netgear card (Tulip chip) that I had in another machine and saw the same message. For this reason, I'm guessing its a Linux software issue with this motherboard, but haven't been able to find anything yet. Any suggestions either as to the problem or as to where to look? Thanks. Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 6 20:47:48 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration References: Message-ID: <39DE80C4.B88CF1C3@fandre.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > The size and colors are controlled through: > > Control Center->Sawfish->Apprearance and then change the Frame > > Style(Theme). > > > > Make sure you have the sawfish-themes RPM installed so you get a bunch > > to choose from. > > Does the version matter? I don't think so. > I don't find sawfish-themes on any of the install or powertools disks, > but it does have sawfish-themer, which I gather is for building themes. > > Rpmfind.net has sawfish-thems-0.2-0_helix_1-i386.rpm.... You can also go to sawfish.themes.org and pick a theme and put it in /usr/share/sawfish/themes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 6 20:54:12 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > There have been all sorts of bugs reported about it. They even out did > Microsoft on this one :) Are you going by what was posted on /.? From what I hear the bug list is not as bad as it sounded. The insider info from RH (yes, I do have my sources) is that there are only 250 list bugs right now in the database, and half of those probably aren't even real bugs. > > Upgrades ended up formatting hard drives - glibc wasn't even remotely > compatible to many apps. Many things simply broke. Haven't had a problem yet. User error? > > People mention that they can't wait to try SUSE, but they might wait for > their laptops to recover from Redhat 7.0. I'm not really saying the RH7 is great, (I do love debian) but it's not as bad as people are saying it is. All of RH .0 releases have been 'bleeding edge', but that is because they push the envelope. Remeber when they released it with glibc? Everyone complained and thought they we're stupid for doing so. But then everyone else joined. Stick with 6.2 if you want stability. Or go with debian, but if you want the latest and greatest RH7 is really pretty good. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 21:03:13 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22327] Network troubles (SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable) References: <20001006203954.A12971@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <000601c02f39$95c60d80$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Try disabling PNP mode in the BIOS and see what happens. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "TCLUG List" Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:39 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22327] Network troubles (SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable) > I just got a new system (Asus A7V mobo, 800 MHz Athalon processor, > Matrox G400) and am trying to install a network card that I already > had on hand. I have installed Slackware 7.1 (kernel 2.2.16). > > The card is a Kingston card based on the RealTek RTL8139 chip. The > driver modules loads fine, although it reports the card at IRQ 0 (yes, > that's zero). When I try to ifconfig the eth0 interface, however, it > reports the messages: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily > unavailable". > > I have the same card in another machine which works fine and this card > also works fine under Windows ME in this machine. > > I also tried a Netgear card (Tulip chip) that I had in another machine > and saw the same message. > > For this reason, I'm guessing its a Linux software issue with this > motherboard, but haven't been able to find anything yet. Any > suggestions either as to the problem or as to where to look? > > Thanks. > > Eric > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 21:04:08 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> Message-ID: <000f01c02f39$b69c1ea0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> I ran across a couple myself. It didn't even detect my tulip based card :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > There have been all sorts of bugs reported about it. They even out did > > Microsoft on this one :) > > Are you going by what was posted on /.? From what I hear the bug list is > not as bad as it sounded. The insider info from RH (yes, I do have my > sources) is that there are only 250 list bugs right now in the database, > and half of those probably aren't even real bugs. > > > > > Upgrades ended up formatting hard drives - glibc wasn't even remotely > > compatible to many apps. Many things simply broke. > > Haven't had a problem yet. User error? > > > > > People mention that they can't wait to try SUSE, but they might wait for > > their laptops to recover from Redhat 7.0. > > I'm not really saying the RH7 is great, (I do love debian) but it's not > as bad as people are saying it is. All of RH .0 releases have been > 'bleeding edge', but that is because they push the envelope. Remeber > when they released it with glibc? Everyone complained and thought they > we're stupid for doing so. But then everyone else joined. Stick with 6.2 > if you want stability. Or go with debian, but if you want the latest and > greatest RH7 is really pretty good. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Fri Oct 6 21:15:16 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration References: Message-ID: <39DE8734.4AF78824@ringworld.org> > > Does the version matter? Yes. For some themes anyway. Some older themes don't work with the latest version. If they're all rolled into a package, they should all work. Actually, themes should go in ~/.sawfish/themes, unless of course you want everybody to have access to them, which isn't always and option. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 5 21:27:43 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> <000f01c02f39$b69c1ea0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <001201c02f3d$02027580$0100a8c0@veldy.net> And now the GCC steering commitee has issued a statement that pretty much reprimands Redhat for using the gcc-2.96 snapshot. I think they are just in a hurry for new features instead of tested features. That really is too bad. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! > I ran across a couple myself. It didn't even detect my tulip based card :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay Fandre" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > > > There have been all sorts of bugs reported about it. They even out did > > > Microsoft on this one :) > > > > Are you going by what was posted on /.? From what I hear the bug list is > > not as bad as it sounded. The insider info from RH (yes, I do have my > > sources) is that there are only 250 list bugs right now in the database, > > and half of those probably aren't even real bugs. > > > > > > > > Upgrades ended up formatting hard drives - glibc wasn't even remotely > > > compatible to many apps. Many things simply broke. > > > > Haven't had a problem yet. User error? > > > > > > > > People mention that they can't wait to try SUSE, but they might wait for > > > their laptops to recover from Redhat 7.0. > > > > I'm not really saying the RH7 is great, (I do love debian) but it's not > > as bad as people are saying it is. All of RH .0 releases have been > > 'bleeding edge', but that is because they push the envelope. Remeber > > when they released it with glibc? Everyone complained and thought they > > we're stupid for doing so. But then everyone else joined. Stick with 6.2 > > if you want stability. Or go with debian, but if you want the latest and > > greatest RH7 is really pretty good. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Oct 6 21:28:48 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22327] Network troubles (SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable) In-Reply-To: <000601c02f39$95c60d80$0100a8c0@veldy.net>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:03:13PM -0500 References: <20001006203954.A12971@knicknack.net> <000601c02f39$95c60d80$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <20001006212848.B12971@knicknack.net> Thanks. That did it. Eric On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:03:13PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Try disabling PNP mode in the BIOS and see what happens. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "TCLUG List" > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:39 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:22327] Network troubles (SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily > unavailable) > > > > I just got a new system (Asus A7V mobo, 800 MHz Athalon processor, > > Matrox G400) and am trying to install a network card that I already > > had on hand. I have installed Slackware 7.1 (kernel 2.2.16). > > > > The card is a Kingston card based on the RealTek RTL8139 chip. The > > driver modules loads fine, although it reports the card at IRQ 0 (yes, > > that's zero). When I try to ifconfig the eth0 interface, however, it > > reports the messages: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily > > unavailable". > > > > I have the same card in another machine which works fine and this card > > also works fine under Windows ME in this machine. > > > > I also tried a Netgear card (Tulip chip) that I had in another machine > > and saw the same message. > > > > For this reason, I'm guessing its a Linux software issue with this > > motherboard, but haven't been able to find anything yet. Any > > suggestions either as to the problem or as to where to look? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Eric > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Fri Oct 6 22:30:31 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! Message-ID: <20001007033031.8965.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> I've been using SuSE since I got a copy of 5.3 as part of a set from LSL (or was it Linux Central). I bought the boxed set of 6.2 last year and picked up 7.0 Professional a couple of weeks ago. I got the Pro because I wanted to play with KDE2, VMWare(I finally have a system that can handle it), and Enhydra. I can't get high speed access yet in my area (ATT says RSN...) Installed with out a hitch. I added a new drive to the system as part of an upgrade so did a new install instead of upgrading the old install. The only issue was with the ALSA drivers. Since SuSE includes a copy of OSS on the CD-ROM I installed that and every thing is fine. Of course this means a full copy of SuSE 6.2 is available to anyone who wants it. ;-) FWIW I've got the Caldera LTP on my laptop just for kicks. Jack On Fri, 06 October 2000, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Subject says it all. > > Since, Redhat 7.0 was such a bomb, do you think real-time will be mirroring > SUSE in the future :?) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From troyschmidt at mn.mediaone.net Sat Oct 7 11:44:48 2000 From: troyschmidt at mn.mediaone.net (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22090] dsl availability map References: Message-ID: <01f201c0307d$e7eb32d0$3d0c1f18@sucubus> dslreports.com will let you know how far you are from a DSLAM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schewe" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22090] dsl availability map > I remember once somebody posted a URL to a map that shows the CO's that > support DSL and where they're located and the exchanges they serve. Does that > map still exist, or can someone tell me where to find the information? I'm > looking a buying a house and want to make sure DSL is available there. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dave at droyer.org Fri Oct 6 18:32:46 2000 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <200010041703.MAA19028@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: Sorry for comming a bit late here, but I have a Dell Inspiron 7500 dual-booting Win & Mandrake 7.something. I purchased the thing with Windows pre-installed from Dell. It wasn't very difficult getting Linux up and running on it. The biggest problem, like usual, was getting X setup and working. It was definately worth the trouble though. X is beautiful running at 1400x1048!! There's a good site packed with a bunch of pointers at: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/ It doesn't seem to be responding at the minute, but hopefully it's just temporary. (That or bounce over to google and search for "Dell inspiron Linux" and take a look at some of the results. On to your specific questions... > 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, > say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it > myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in > for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but > never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if > it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then > I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to > have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and > double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware > will work with Linux. > I just ran the default Mandrake 7.1 install, then grabbed the XF86Config file from the site above, tweaked it a bit, and was off and running. There were no problems at all. If you want my config file, or need some pointers or help, let me know. Dave Royer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:25:39 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration References: Message-ID: <39DF78B3.42436BD8@tcfreenet.org> > Also, how can I modify the scrollbars? I'm not happy with how wide they > are, plus the color is kind of yucky. Scrollbars in what? Thats a widget set problem. Which program... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:27:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> Message-ID: <39DF791F.64BDBB74@tcfreenet.org> > Are you going by what was posted on /.? From what I hear the bug list is > not as bad as it sounded. The insider info from RH (yes, I do have my > sources) is that there are only 250 list bugs right now in the database, > and half of those probably aren't even real bugs. And I can tell at least 50 of them are reports for the same damn bug... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:28:17 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> <000f01c02f39$b69c1ea0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <39DF7951.51DC5FD1@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > I ran across a couple myself. It didn't even detect my tulip based card :) Detected mine... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Oct 7 14:29:16 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! In-Reply-To: <39DF7951.51DC5FD1@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: 6.2 detects mine. 7.0 does not. Linksys 10/100 Version 2. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > I ran across a couple myself. It didn't even detect my tulip based card :) > > Detected mine... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:37:04 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> <000f01c02f39$b69c1ea0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <001201c02f3d$02027580$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <39DF7B60.1664C107@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > And now the GCC steering commitee has issued a statement that pretty much > reprimands Redhat for using the gcc-2.96 snapshot. I think they are just in > a hurry for new features instead of tested features. That really is too > bad. Thats gotta be the most evil thing they did. Can't even compile the kernel with it. They plop an older version named kgcc in for kernel development... root@bigtime:~$ kgcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-glibc21-linux/egcs-2.91.66/specs gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release) root@bigtime:~$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.0) Heh. They even tagged it Red Hat. Of course, Red Hat does own Cygnus now, which makes finding Cygwin hidden in RedHat's website somewhere impossible to find except with a search. Blah... Userspacewise I've had no problem, XMMS and SDL and friends have compiled flawlessly. Which makes me very very happy, and glad I microwaved my Mandrake CD... g++ is pretty messed up though. It has the headers at least. ;) But it tends to crash on bad code, rather than giving any useful errors and terminating gracefully. Though it still at least gives you a line number... Makes it kind of scary to use for newbie C++ development. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:37:57 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> Message-ID: <39DF7B95.F28B2287@tcfreenet.org> Clay Fandre wrote: > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Subject says it all. > > > > Since, Redhat 7.0 was such a bomb, do you think real-time will be mirroring > > SUSE in the future :?) > > Why is RH7 such a bomb? Or do you mean 'the bomb'? Hee Hee Other than a buggy installer, I'm very very happy with it myself, citizen... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:40:43 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: Message-ID: <39DF7C3B.3998490A@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > 6.2 detects mine. 7.0 does not. Linksys 10/100 Version 2. Weird. I believe thats what I have. I've never had to mess with mine. Worked since install. tulip.c:v0.91g-ppc 7/16/99 becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0xd400, 00:A0:CC:24:D3:D4, IRQ 11. eth0: MII transceiver #1 config 3100 status 7829 advertising 01e1. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:42:31 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions References: Message-ID: <39DF7CA7.1CB24052@tcfreenet.org> > setup and working. It was definately worth the trouble though. X is > beautiful running at 1400x1048!! Are you saying the LCD goes that high? No way, I want one. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 7 14:45:16 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22179] freeBSD References: <39DD3F92.A17AE342@tcfreenet.org> <003c01c02f97$b49c4040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39DF7D4C.3E32A574@tcfreenet.org> > FreeBSD 4.x just had its VM rewritten and that is why it is so much faster > than previous versions. There have been "testemonials" that it is the > fasted operating system that some people have ever used. You can take that > with a grain of salt though. Which is why linux ripped it off. Heh heh... ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sat Oct 7 17:14:22 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:37:04 -0500" References: <007c01c02fc9$22d796a0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39DE727D.D721CC1E@fandre.com> <004701c02f30$1040ed00$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DE8244.54E56B1@fandre.com> <000f01c02f39$b69c1ea0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <001201c02f3d$02027580$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39DF7B60.1664C107@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Callum Lerwick writes: > Heh. They even tagged it Red Hat. Of course, Red Hat does own Cygnus > now, which makes finding Cygwin hidden in RedHat's website somewhere > impossible to find except with a search. Blah... It's easy to find if you remember the address, http://cygnus.sourceware.com -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Sat Oct 7 18:33:19 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration In-Reply-To: <39DF78B3.42436BD8@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: > > Also, how can I modify the scrollbars? I'm not happy with how wide they > > are, plus the color is kind of yucky. > > Scrollbars in what? Thats a widget set problem. Which program... The program I was using at the time was gnome-terminal. I'm trying Eterm now. The pointer to widgets helps a bit... but how in general do I investigate widget issues? I don't have any idea what widget sets are used by any program, and don't have a clue where to look go change various parameters. Thanks, Andy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Oct 6 18:53:52 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! References: <39DF7C3B.3998490A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <000e01c02ff0$ae0e4080$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Oh - it works - I just had to add the entry myself to /etc/conf.modules and then configure it using their famouse "GUI Tools". Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22317] SUSE 7.0 is available now! > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > 6.2 detects mine. 7.0 does not. Linksys 10/100 Version 2. > > Weird. I believe thats what I have. I've never had to mess with mine. > Worked since install. > > tulip.c:v0.91g-ppc 7/16/99 becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov > eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0xd400, 00:A0:CC:24:D3:D4, IRQ 11. > eth0: MII transceiver #1 config 3100 status 7829 advertising 01e1. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jurupari at geocities.com Sat Oct 7 21:04:23 2000 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22350] OT : BSD's Message-ID: <200010080204.WAA17496@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Could someone briefly explain to me what the difference is between the various BSD operating systems?? FreeBSD OpenBSD NetBSD Are there others as well?? Thanks, Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Sat Oct 7 22:08:31 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22350] OT : BSD's References: <200010080204.WAA17496@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <39DFE52F.187E959F@fandre.com> Jurupari wrote: > > Could someone briefly explain to me what the difference is between > the various BSD operating systems?? > > FreeBSD > OpenBSD > NetBSD > > Are there others as well?? http://archives.real-time.com/tclug-list/2000/Oct/msg00293.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jurupari at geocities.com Sun Oct 8 06:43:44 2000 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200010081143.HAA11254@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Send reply to: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date sent: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:40:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip C Mendelsohn To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22192] OT: booze rant > > > Why would anyone from St. Paul / Minneapolis drink anything other than > > > Summit? > > > > Because I'm from Wisconsin? *Ducks for cover* > > Oh then you should drink Walter's - "The Beer that *Is* Beer!" > > I think they were only distributed in about 12 counties around > Madison. You can find all sorts of funny things in the woods in > Wisconsin. (take that any way you want... ;) I am not much of a drinker, and I have never had Walter's, but I think that must be about some of the worst beer you can find. Here is why I say this... When I was a youngster, me and some of the kids in the neighborhood collected beer cans. Whenever I could, I would try to get my dad to buy something that came in a cool looking can. On one trip to the cabin in Wisconsin I managed to get him to buy some Walter's at a small gas/food/bait store. It was a warm evening, he had a long week, he couldn't wait to have a cold one. We get to the lake, unpack, and he is ready to relax... he goes for the Walter's takes one big gulp. Before he gets it all down he starts spitting it up.... starts cussing like mad (which was very rare). It was the only time I ever saw him dump out a beer that wasn't warm. The rest of the Walter's was emptied out as well, and that was just about the last beer he every bought just so I could get the can. Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Sun Oct 8 10:18:05 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP Message-ID: Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that Slack comes with minicom. Heres a log of what kPPP does: ATZ ;turn on modem OK ;response from modem ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net OK ;response from modem After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 8 10:43:58 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Slackware good is. It does come w/ Minicom. You also probably want to use pppd and set it up with pppsetup, which was written by a friend of mine. I was able to set it up on my own before I was really into Linux, so it's pretty painless if your modem cooperates. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > Slack comes with minicom. > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > ATZ ;turn on modem > OK ;response from modem > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > OK ;response from modem > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 8 10:44:11 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP Message-ID: Is anyone bringing Mandrake to the installfest? From ben at nerp.net Sun Oct 8 10:56:31 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wait a sec.. let me get this strait, you want to change distros because you are missing minicom? thats just a _weeee_ bit silly, I could understand the kPPP problem, but changing distro's just for one program is just not right. (even tho i can't stand caldera, the principal of the thing still holds) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > Slack comes with minicom. > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > ATZ ;turn on modem > OK ;response from modem > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > OK ;response from modem > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Sun Oct 8 11:13:27 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP In-Reply-To: ; from minibiker@prontomail.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:18:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001008111327.D20874@real-time.com> > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) glad to see I'm not the only one who couldn't get kppp to work. it did exactly the same thing to me. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 8 11:26:48 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP Message-ID: This sounds like the installfest has been standardized on Caldera? Is that true? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:57 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP wait a sec.. let me get this strait, you want to change distros because you are missing minicom? thats just a _weeee_ bit silly, I could understand the kPPP problem, but changing distro's just for one program is just not right. (even tho i can't stand caldera, the principal of the thing still holds) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > Slack comes with minicom. > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > ATZ ;turn on modem > OK ;response from modem > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > OK ;response from modem > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Sun Oct 8 11:30:55 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any preference on version of Slack? I've got the shiney packaged version of 7.0 and a burned copy of 7.1 (can bring 'em both). If all you want is minicom, you can just download the .tgz file from www.slackware.com. Click on 'packages', and it's in the a1 (base) section as minicom.tgz. If you've got a copy of pkgtool, just installpkg minicom.tgz. If not, you can tar -zxvf it and copy the files by hand. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Slackware good is. It does come w/ Minicom. You also probably want to > use pppd and set it up with pppsetup, which was written by a friend of > mine. I was able to set it up on my own before I was really into Linux, > so it's pretty painless if your modem cooperates. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of > > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > > Slack comes with minicom. > > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > > > ATZ ;turn on modem > > OK ;response from modem > > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > > OK ;response from modem > > > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) > > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 8 11:46:56 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Slack 7.0.0 was missing some important things for yp, so I've coasterized all my slack-7 CD's and I'm only using 7.1 now. 7.1 Also has the currently non-exploitable version of wu-ftpd, which is what you want since I'm seeing ftpd scans to my entire netblock about twice a week. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > Any preference on version of Slack? I've got the shiney packaged version > of 7.0 and a burned copy of 7.1 (can bring 'em both). If all you want is > minicom, you can just download the .tgz file from www.slackware.com. > Click on 'packages', and it's in the a1 (base) section as minicom.tgz. If > you've got a copy of pkgtool, just installpkg minicom.tgz. If not, you > can tar -zxvf it and copy the files by hand. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Slackware good is. It does come w/ Minicom. You also probably want to > > use pppd and set it up with pppsetup, which was written by a friend of > > mine. I was able to set it up on my own before I was really into Linux, > > so it's pretty painless if your modem cooperates. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > > > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of > > > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > > > Slack comes with minicom. > > > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > > > > > ATZ ;turn on modem > > > OK ;response from modem > > > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > > > OK ;response from modem > > > > > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) > > > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Oct 8 11:53:08 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what? how did you get that out of what I said.. the installfest is not standardized on anything? that's a silly idea.. linux distros are installed based on their usefullness in a situation, and the personal tastes of the person installing. we arn't going to force anyone to install anything. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > This sounds like the installfest has been standardized on Caldera? Is that > true? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:57 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP > > > wait a sec.. let me get this strait, you want to change distros because > you are missing minicom? thats just a _weeee_ bit silly, I could > understand the kPPP problem, but changing distro's just for one program is > just not right. (even tho i can't stand caldera, the principal of the > thing still holds) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a > (burned) copy of > > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. > Someone told me that > > Slack comes with minicom. > > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > > > ATZ ;turn on modem > > OK ;response from modem > > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > > OK ;response from modem > > > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have > an external modem btw) > > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cory at real-time.com Sun Oct 8 12:13:29 2000 From: cory at real-time.com (cory@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22362] Re: Linux laptop questions References: <39E0A949.AF02CDFF@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E0AB39.BDB77372@real-time.com> David wrote: > Sorry for comming a bit late here, but I have a Dell Inspiron 7500 > dual-booting Win & Mandrake 7.something. I purchased the thing with > Windows pre-installed from Dell. It wasn't very difficult getting Linux > > up and running on it. The biggest problem, like usual, was getting X > setup and working. It was definately worth the trouble though. X is > beautiful running at 1400x1048!! > > There's a good site packed with a bunch of pointers at: > http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/ > > It doesn't seem to be responding at the minute, but hopefully it's just > temporary. (That or bounce over to google and search for "Dell inspiron > > Linux" and take a look at some of the results. > > On to your specific questions... > > > 1. If I got a Dell Inspiron 7500 preloaded with Windows (and with, > > say, a 20GB hard drive), and then tried to install Linux on it > > myself, can anyone tell me what kind of experience I'd be in > > for? I've installed Linux on a lot of desktops and servers but > > never any laptops, so I'm OK with putzing with it a bit, but if > > it'll take me a week to get X up and running, for example, then > > I'd rather pay someone else to do it. Also, I don't want to > > have to spend a lot of time in advance checking and > > double-checking the specs to make sure that all the hardware > > will work with Linux. > > > I just ran the default Mandrake 7.1 install, then grabbed the XF86Config > > file from the site above, tweaked it a bit, and was off and running. > There were no problems at all. If you want my config file, or need some > > pointers or help, let me know. > > Dave Royer Sorry, I haven't been following this thread until now. I just purchased an Inspiron 7500 with Linux preinstalled from Dell. Maybe you want to ask them to install the system dual boot. I'd be somewhat surprised if they wouldn't do this for you considering they sell the Inspiron 7500 with Red Hat Linux 6.2 installed as an option. The machine works very well with Linux. The only complaint I have is, even though this machine has never seen MS Windows a day of it's life, it came with the stupid "Designed for Windows" sticker on it. I left it on though just for the irony. Cheers. Cory. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Oct 7 12:40:17 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP References: Message-ID: <001401c03085$a81b02e0$0100a8c0@cascade> I believe even 7.1 has a wu-ftpd that is exploitable. I recieved a Bugtraq email on it about a week ago. It mentioned getting a new package out of the current tree. It upgrades to the .1 version. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP > Slack 7.0.0 was missing some important things for yp, so I've coasterized > all my slack-7 CD's and I'm only using 7.1 now. 7.1 Also has the > currently non-exploitable version of wu-ftpd, which is what you want > since I'm seeing ftpd scans to my entire netblock about twice a week. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > > > Any preference on version of Slack? I've got the shiney packaged version > > of 7.0 and a burned copy of 7.1 (can bring 'em both). If all you want is > > minicom, you can just download the .tgz file from www.slackware.com. > > Click on 'packages', and it's in the a1 (base) section as minicom.tgz. If > > you've got a copy of pkgtool, just installpkg minicom.tgz. If not, you > > can tar -zxvf it and copy the files by hand. > > > > Michael Vieths > > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > Slackware good is. It does come w/ Minicom. You also probably want to > > > use pppd and set it up with pppsetup, which was written by a friend of > > > mine. I was able to set it up on my own before I was really into Linux, > > > so it's pretty painless if your modem cooperates. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > > > > > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a (burned) copy of > > > > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. Someone told me that > > > > Slack comes with minicom. > > > > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > > > > > > > ATZ ;turn on modem > > > > OK ;response from modem > > > > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > > > > OK ;response from modem > > > > > > > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have an external modem btw) > > > > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bradyh at bitstream.net Sun Oct 8 13:19:30 2000 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22310] sawfish focus configuration In-Reply-To: <39DF78B3.42436BD8@tcfreenet.org> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001008131643.00955100@mail.bitstream.net> The appearance of the scrollbars often depends on what Sawfish theme you're using. Try a few different themes and see what happens. Say, since we're on the topic of Sawfish. Does anybody know how to make Sawfish ignore the Gnome panel when maximizing a window? I can't find a setting in either Gnome or Sawfish... Thanks, Brady > > Also, how can I modify the scrollbars? I'm not happy with how wide they > > are, plus the color is kind of yucky. > >Scrollbars in what? Thats a widget set problem. Which program... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something really stupid." - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada") --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Oct 8 14:24:17 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22365] Hacked Message-ID: <39E0C9E1.65897272@black-hole.com> My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track him? I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco 675 and a netgear RT311 router. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Oct 8 14:25:07 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: <39E0C9E1.65897272@black-hole.com> Message-ID: probably wu-ftpd, as adam mentioned.. there has been a rash of wu-ftpd related exploits, i saw an advisory a couple weeks ago on caldera Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > him? > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 8 14:48:13 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: <39E0C9E1.65897272@black-hole.com> Message-ID: $10 says it's ftpd. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > him? > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 8 14:50:55 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP Message-ID: Doh. Nevermind. I just got out of bed when I read that. :) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:53 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP what? how did you get that out of what I said.. the installfest is not standardized on anything? that's a silly idea.. linux distros are installed based on their usefullness in a situation, and the personal tastes of the person installing. we arn't going to force anyone to install anything. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > This sounds like the installfest has been standardized on Caldera? Is that > true? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:57 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22353] Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP > > > wait a sec.. let me get this strait, you want to change distros because > you are missing minicom? thats just a _weeee_ bit silly, I could > understand the kPPP problem, but changing distro's just for one program is > just not right. (even tho i can't stand caldera, the principal of the > thing still holds) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > Someone bring a copy of Slackware and RedHat to the installfest, I need a > (burned) copy of > > both...Caldera didnt come with minicom, and kPPP doesnt dial right. > Someone told me that > > Slack comes with minicom. > > Heres a log of what kPPP does: > > > > ATZ ;turn on modem > > OK ;response from modem > > ATDT6122527007 ;dial mr.net > > OK ;response from modem > > > > After that, kPPP insists on sitting there and pooping on itself...(I have > an external modem btw) > > -Blake (Pizza is Linux compatable) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 8 14:53:18 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, I said earlier that I was seeing scans twice a week or more. The kiddies are pretty ballsy...last week I had a MediaOne luser that scanned 209.98.16/19 - every host on my network and all of my customers. He would connect to port 21, check what kind of ftpd it was running, then disconnect. When I reported him to MediaLose, I included all 1000 lines of logs from the IP's my servers and network were occupying. My LARTs were answered with a nice "we nuked him" reply. Some kid in Korea on an OLD linux box scanned me a couple weeks ago. The admins in .kr don't really care. I almost sent him a "WE ARE WATCHING YOU" message to his syslogd (which was open), but I didn't. I'm going soft, any self-respecting BOFH would've made his monitor smoke or something. Losin' my nerve I guess. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > probably wu-ftpd, as adam mentioned.. there has been a rash of wu-ftpd > related exploits, i saw an advisory a couple weeks ago on caldera > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > > > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > > him? > > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 8 15:01:14 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked Message-ID: Look at /var/log/xferlog and look in /home/ftp and see if there's any extra directories. If they knew what they were doing they would have removed the extra directories that got created and wiped the log, but it's usually some script kiddie who has no clue what he's doing. If the MKDIR's are logged, you'll be able to tell where they were coming from. Hopefully they were dumb enough to do it from their own machine. If you can find their IP, you'll want to notify the owner of that IP block because some of their machines may have been compromised. Also, CERT has a nice little article somewhere about rootkits and finding if they installed one. Some have config files hidden in /dev that will give away the attackers IP. If you're running Bind older than 8.1.2, they could've used the IXFR exploit. Look in the directory that holds your zone files for a directory called ADMROCKS/. Also check your /etc/inetd.conf and see if they appended anything to it. Jay Austad Network Administrator CBS Marketwatch -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:48 PM To: tclug-list Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked $10 says it's ftpd. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > him? > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Oct 8 15:54:20 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked References: Message-ID: <39E0DEFC.1C540A12@black-hole.com> the xferlog is clean, as in empty, and the secure log has no mention of a pbadmin logging in since i reinstalled on the 5th.. Do you have the url for CERT? I should mentionthat my mobo is going wonky on me too. the battery that holds the cmos is dead from the looks of it, it keeps defaulting my bios, but that only started after i shut down this afternoon. where do i find my bind version? "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Look at /var/log/xferlog and look in /home/ftp and see if there's any extra > directories. If they knew what they were doing they would have removed the > extra directories that got created and wiped the log, but it's usually some > script kiddie who has no clue what he's doing. If the MKDIR's are logged, > you'll be able to tell where they were coming from. Hopefully they were > dumb enough to do it from their own machine. If you can find their IP, > you'll want to notify the owner of that IP block because some of their > machines may have been compromised. > > Also, CERT has a nice little article somewhere about rootkits and finding if > they installed one. Some have config files hidden in /dev that will give > away the attackers IP. > > If you're running Bind older than 8.1.2, they could've used the IXFR > exploit. Look in the directory that holds your zone files for a directory > called ADMROCKS/. Also check your /etc/inetd.conf and see if they appended > anything to it. > > Jay Austad > Network Administrator > CBS Marketwatch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:48 PM > To: tclug-list > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked > > $10 says it's ftpd. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > > > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > > him? > > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 8 16:00:49 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked Message-ID: The xferlog is probably clean because I don't think it logs anonymous users by default. Can you upload files anonymously to your machine or make directories anonymously? CERT is http://www.cert.org To find your version of bind do: named -v Make sure you look at your /etc/inetd.conf and see if anything was added and check in the /var/named or /etc/named.d. Here is the link to the named vulnerability: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-03.html This exploit requires the attacker to have control of a DNS server somewhere that is authoritative for a valid domain. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:tobytoo@black-hole.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:54 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked the xferlog is clean, as in empty, and the secure log has no mention of a pbadmin logging in since i reinstalled on the 5th.. Do you have the url for CERT? I should mentionthat my mobo is going wonky on me too. the battery that holds the cmos is dead from the looks of it, it keeps defaulting my bios, but that only started after i shut down this afternoon. where do i find my bind version? "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Look at /var/log/xferlog and look in /home/ftp and see if there's any extra > directories. If they knew what they were doing they would have removed the > extra directories that got created and wiped the log, but it's usually some > script kiddie who has no clue what he's doing. If the MKDIR's are logged, > you'll be able to tell where they were coming from. Hopefully they were > dumb enough to do it from their own machine. If you can find their IP, > you'll want to notify the owner of that IP block because some of their > machines may have been compromised. > > Also, CERT has a nice little article somewhere about rootkits and finding if > they installed one. Some have config files hidden in /dev that will give > away the attackers IP. > > If you're running Bind older than 8.1.2, they could've used the IXFR > exploit. Look in the directory that holds your zone files for a directory > called ADMROCKS/. Also check your /etc/inetd.conf and see if they appended > anything to it. > > Jay Austad > Network Administrator > CBS Marketwatch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:48 PM > To: tclug-list > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked > > $10 says it's ftpd. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > > > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > > him? > > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 8 16:24:23 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked Message-ID: I found a decent book for securing your network called "Hack Proofing your Network". Has some BS in it, but overall it's a very good book. Covers alot of background. Basically, it's a howto on how to break into your own network, because if you can, someone else can. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1928994156/o/qid=971039356/sr=8-1/ref =aps_sr_b_1_3/002-8010958-9596017 I even got my girlfriend to start reading it. If you're not interested in security, it's still an interesting read. I've been doing network and Unix security for the last couple of years and I still found some helpful things in it. For now though, everyone should make sure they shutdown things they don't need. Comment out anything you don't need in /etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd. Run nmap against your machine to see what ports are open, shutdown anything you don't need. If you need to run a nameserver, either run bind as a non-priveledged user in a chrooted environment, or grab a copy of djbdns from http://cr.yp.to. If you need a mailserver, I don't suggest sendmail at all. Use qmail or postfix. I'm sure I'll probably get some flames for that, but sendmail is a security nightmare waiting to happen. Disable telnet and get ssh running. There's a bunch of other things you can do, but this should ward off almost all script kiddies. If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits against Unix machines too. :) Our office network gets over 200 portscans per day, and our webserver farm gets thousands. If nothing else, snort should be able to scare you into caring about security. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:01 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked The xferlog is probably clean because I don't think it logs anonymous users by default. Can you upload files anonymously to your machine or make directories anonymously? CERT is http://www.cert.org To find your version of bind do: named -v Make sure you look at your /etc/inetd.conf and see if anything was added and check in the /var/named or /etc/named.d. Here is the link to the named vulnerability: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-03.html This exploit requires the attacker to have control of a DNS server somewhere that is authoritative for a valid domain. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:tobytoo@black-hole.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:54 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked the xferlog is clean, as in empty, and the secure log has no mention of a pbadmin logging in since i reinstalled on the 5th.. Do you have the url for CERT? I should mentionthat my mobo is going wonky on me too. the battery that holds the cmos is dead from the looks of it, it keeps defaulting my bios, but that only started after i shut down this afternoon. where do i find my bind version? "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Look at /var/log/xferlog and look in /home/ftp and see if there's any extra > directories. If they knew what they were doing they would have removed the > extra directories that got created and wiped the log, but it's usually some > script kiddie who has no clue what he's doing. If the MKDIR's are logged, > you'll be able to tell where they were coming from. Hopefully they were > dumb enough to do it from their own machine. If you can find their IP, > you'll want to notify the owner of that IP block because some of their > machines may have been compromised. > > Also, CERT has a nice little article somewhere about rootkits and finding if > they installed one. Some have config files hidden in /dev that will give > away the attackers IP. > > If you're running Bind older than 8.1.2, they could've used the IXFR > exploit. Look in the directory that holds your zone files for a directory > called ADMROCKS/. Also check your /etc/inetd.conf and see if they appended > anything to it. > > Jay Austad > Network Administrator > CBS Marketwatch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:48 PM > To: tclug-list > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked > > $10 says it's ftpd. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > > > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > > him? > > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Oct 8 16:58:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 04:24:23PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001008165801.D674@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001008 16:24]: > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits On the flipside, if you have (tens of) thousands to throw away, check out NFR and anzen flightjacket. Yeah, its a windows frontend, but the backend is openbsd, and its helped us *immensely* at cs.umn.edu in finding out whats going on with 'strange' traffic, or other such problems. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With snort, updates happen hourly (a new visions.conf is generated each hour on whitehats.com). The nice thing about NFR and Cisco's thing is it's pretty much already configured and ready to go. Snort requires alot of screwing around to get alerting and reporting working as you'd like it to. However, the beta version of snort has mysql support and there is a nifty web based frontend for doing reporting somewhere on CERT's website. Pricing on NFR was around $30,000 per license, and pricing on Cisco's was even more because you needed a "probe" box and you also needed the reporting box. At cs.umn.edu, were you only sniffing traffic going to/from your border router(s), or were you sniffing *ALL* internal traffic? I haven't really devised a way to sniff all of our internal traffic since there's WAY over 1000Mbit/sec of traffic going on on any of our VLAN's at any one time. Since over 70% of all compromises come from employees, it would be better to have it on the inside networks, but I guess that's what gratuitous use of firewalls is for. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:58 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked * Austad, Jay [001008 16:24]: > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits On the flipside, if you have (tens of) thousands to throw away, check out NFR and anzen flightjacket. Yeah, its a windows frontend, but the backend is openbsd, and its helped us *immensely* at cs.umn.edu in finding out whats going on with 'strange' traffic, or other such problems. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 8 17:18:54 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22376] Re: HACKED Message-ID: Through some wierd coincidence some .nl kiddie just scanned my entire block again. LARTs away, but .nl doesn't really care. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Oct 8 17:23:53 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 05:10:36PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001008172353.E674@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001008 17:11]: > At cs.umn.edu, were you only sniffing traffic going to/from your border > router(s), or were you sniffing *ALL* internal traffic? Right now we only watch (since this is not capture, but stats and some data) border traffic, because NFR doesn't have a GigE product. Airvox (sp?) is supposedly going to have a GigE capapible IDS box. Another amusing product is some of the stuff toplayer has that is going to be putting flows into an sql database. :) Not enough time to talk about it all right now, ill type some stuff up in a few weeks when I see more of it. Disclaimer: I dont speak for the University of Minnesota, I am speaking in context of professionals conversing information. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since over 70% of all compromises come from employees, it > would be better to have it on the inside networks, but I guess that's what > gratuitous use of firewalls is for. :) Most of our internal detection is done via watching syslog off of a logserver. (well, more than that is done, but thats the bulk of it.) It would be *nice* to get all internal traffic, but if we have an internal machine compromise it usually shows up nice and quick via NFR and cricket, cause 80% of the time its some kid who starts pegging our internet connection. :P Really, it seems the focus right now is securing borders, with the idea that securing internally is useless without it. (note: I dont speak for the University of Minnesota, my opinions are not the opinions of the Regents, etc.) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This will give you a good idea of whose > > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits > > On the flipside, if you have (tens of) thousands to throw away, check > out NFR and anzen flightjacket. Yeah, its a windows frontend, but the > backend is openbsd, and its helped us *immensely* at cs.umn.edu in > finding out whats going on with 'strange' traffic, or other such > problems. > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 8 17:58:21 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22380] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: <39E0C9E1.65897272@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 02:24:17PM -0500 References: <39E0C9E1.65897272@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001008175821.B19615@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (tobytoo@black-hole.com): > My system was hacked last night, I was shut down from 10 pm until about > 9 this morning, when I rebooted I had a new account called pbadmin on my > login screen, before I just blow this acount away I would like to find > out how he got into my system. Any suggestions on how to back track > him? > I'm running caldera 2.4edesktop, with a dsl connection through a cisco > 675 and a netgear RT311 router. Do you run tripwire? Do you have *.deug in your syslog.conf being logged somewhere? Do you run swatch? Do you have swatch print to hardcopy any "unusual" things? If they are good and you only syslog to your local machine and no hard copy more then likely all traces of the hack go erased. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Oct 8 18:09:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked In-Reply-To: <39E0F592.DB1DBB5E@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 05:30:42PM -0500 References: <20001008165801.D674@ringworld.org> <39E0F592.DB1DBB5E@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001008180904.G674@ringworld.org> I read the whole thread? :) * Brian [001008 17:29]: > Well Scott since it's just me sitting here at home I don't think that NFR and > Anzen Flightjascket are feasable. > > > Scott Dier wrote: > > > * Austad, Jay [001008 16:24]: > > > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > > > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > > > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits > > > > On the flipside, if you have (tens of) thousands to throw away, check > > out NFR and anzen flightjacket. Yeah, its a windows frontend, but the > > backend is openbsd, and its helped us *immensely* at cs.umn.edu in > > finding out whats going on with 'strange' traffic, or other such > > problems. > > > > -- > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dave at droyer.org Sun Oct 8 04:35:49 2000 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22137] Linux laptop questions In-Reply-To: <39DF7CA7.1CB24052@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Yep...I've got it running that as a default! It rocks! On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > setup and working. It was definately worth the trouble though. X is > > beautiful running at 1400x1048!! > > Are you saying the LCD goes that high? No way, I want one. ;) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Oct 9 00:55:10 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22365] Hacked References: Message-ID: <39E15DBE.746F1117@tcfreenet.org> > Some kid in Korea on an OLD linux box scanned me a couple weeks ago. The > admins in .kr don't really care. I almost sent him a "WE ARE WATCHING > YOU" message to his syslogd (which was open), but I didn't. I'm going > soft, any self-respecting BOFH would've made his monitor smoke or > something. Losin' my nerve I guess. Its old? Teardrop it. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Oct 9 07:08:43 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> I gave MicroCenter a visit this weekend - they're not too far from me. However, I was only mildly impressed. While they have a _huge_ selection of stuff (beating Borders, General Nanosystems, and CompUSA), they have CompUSA-ish prices. For a company that makes their money moving large quantities of goods, I wasn't that impressed. Ooo! Speaking of good deals, tho, CompUSA has a special on the Iomega 4x4x6x External USB burner (for only $200). Supposedly, it works with the 2.4 USB stuff and cdrdao. Good news to hear, especially for us laptop owners. :) Nick Reinking chad@bitstream.net, on 10/05/2000 08:30:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if you're not familiar with the area. Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's not even Friday yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 9 08:57:01 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22386] Installfest Registration Message-ID: <20001009135701.7143.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> I've updated the TCLUG installfest registration form. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/register.php If you plan on attending, please fill out the entire form. This will help the volunteers help you most effectively during this upcoming installfest this Saturday Oct 14, 2000. More info about the install fest is found on the main TCLUG web page: http://www.mn-linux.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 9 08:57:01 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22387] Installfest Registration Message-ID: <20001009135701.7143.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> I've updated the TCLUG installfest registration form. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/register.php If you plan on attending, please fill out the entire form. This will help the volunteers help you most effectively during this upcoming installfest this Saturday Oct 14, 2000. More info about the install fest is found on the main TCLUG web page: http://www.mn-linux.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Oct 9 09:36:11 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? Yep. Call here is KF9FR. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 9 09:46:40 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39E1DA50.212149D7@innominatus.com> I also went to MicroCenter. I was very impressed. I thought there prices were very competitive considering there is no shipping costs for me to pay and you have a local point for returns. Those things easily make up for the 1 or 2 dollars more I would pay for an item. They had some sweet deals on Maxtor 15 Gig drives for like $70. And a 8x CDRW for $120. They are going to see alot of business from me! Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > I gave MicroCenter a visit this weekend - they're not too far from me. > > However, I was only mildly impressed. While they have a _huge_ selection > of stuff (beating Borders, General Nanosystems, and CompUSA), they have > CompUSA-ish prices. > > For a company that makes their money moving large quantities of goods, > I wasn't that impressed. > > Ooo! Speaking of good deals, tho, CompUSA has a special on the Iomega > 4x4x6x External USB burner (for only $200). Supposedly, it works with the 2.4 > USB stuff and cdrdao. Good news to hear, especially for us laptop owners. :) > > Nick Reinking > > chad@bitstream.net, on 10/05/2000 08:30:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > you're not familiar with the area. > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > not even Friday yet. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 9 09:43:00 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: Now all we need to do is get them to stay open 24 hours. :) -----Original Message----- From: Jason J [mailto:jasonj@innominatus.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:47 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? I also went to MicroCenter. I was very impressed. I thought there prices were very competitive considering there is no shipping costs for me to pay and you have a local point for returns. Those things easily make up for the 1 or 2 dollars more I would pay for an item. They had some sweet deals on Maxtor 15 Gig drives for like $70. And a 8x CDRW for $120. They are going to see alot of business from me! Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > I gave MicroCenter a visit this weekend - they're not too far from me. > > However, I was only mildly impressed. While they have a _huge_ selection > of stuff (beating Borders, General Nanosystems, and CompUSA), they have > CompUSA-ish prices. > > For a company that makes their money moving large quantities of goods, > I wasn't that impressed. > > Ooo! Speaking of good deals, tho, CompUSA has a special on the Iomega > 4x4x6x External USB burner (for only $200). Supposedly, it works with the 2.4 > USB stuff and cdrdao. Good news to hear, especially for us laptop owners. :) > > Nick Reinking > > chad@bitstream.net, on 10/05/2000 08:30:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > you're not familiar with the area. > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > not even Friday yet. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 9 09:48:03 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <39E1DA50.212149D7@innominatus.com> References: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> <39E1DA50.212149D7@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <971102883.39e1daa37a133@www.fandre.com> Quoting Jason J : > I also went to MicroCenter. I was very impressed. I thought there prices > were very > competitive considering there is no shipping costs for me to pay and you > have a > local point for returns. Those things easily make up for the 1 or 2 > dollars more I > would pay for an item. They had some sweet deals on Maxtor 15 Gig drives > for like > $70. And a 8x CDRW for $120. What type of CDRW? IDE? I want to get a CDRW, but I don't want to pay too much since I'm on a tight budget. What are some brands that will burn the cheap CDs you can get at BB and CompUSA? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 9 09:56:29 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: Message-ID: <39E1DC9D.6D370139@innominatus.com> We actually asked them if they were planning on it. And they sorta said they would if there was demand for it. And we mentioned that places like Frys(sp?) in Arizona are 24hrs. So hopefully if they do good business here, they will go 24hrs. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Now all we need to do is get them to stay open 24 hours. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason J [mailto:jasonj@innominatus.com] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > I also went to MicroCenter. I was very impressed. I thought there prices > were very > competitive considering there is no shipping costs for me to pay and you > have a > local point for returns. Those things easily make up for the 1 or 2 dollars > more I > would pay for an item. They had some sweet deals on Maxtor 15 Gig drives for > like > $70. And a 8x CDRW for $120. > > They are going to see alot of business from me! > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > I gave MicroCenter a visit this weekend - they're not too far from me. > > > > However, I was only mildly impressed. While they have a _huge_ selection > > of stuff (beating Borders, General Nanosystems, and CompUSA), they have > > CompUSA-ish prices. > > > > For a company that makes their money moving large quantities of goods, > > I wasn't that impressed. > > > > Ooo! Speaking of good deals, tho, CompUSA has a special on the Iomega > > 4x4x6x External USB burner (for only $200). Supposedly, it works with the > 2.4 > > USB stuff and cdrdao. Good news to hear, especially for us laptop owners. > :) > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > chad@bitstream.net, on 10/05/2000 08:30:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > > you're not familiar with the area. > > > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > > not even Friday yet. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 9 09:58:47 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <971102883.39e1daa37a133@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > What type of CDRW? IDE? I want to get a CDRW, but I don't want to pay too much > since I'm on a tight budget.? Diapers don't come cheap, do they? :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 9 09:58:43 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: rkes@microcenter.com is the email address for the store in St. Louis park. Email them and tell them you want 24 hours! I just did. -----Original Message----- From: Jason J [mailto:jasonj@innominatus.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:56 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? We actually asked them if they were planning on it. And they sorta said they would if there was demand for it. And we mentioned that places like Frys(sp?) in Arizona are 24hrs. So hopefully if they do good business here, they will go 24hrs. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Now all we need to do is get them to stay open 24 hours. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason J [mailto:jasonj@innominatus.com] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > I also went to MicroCenter. I was very impressed. I thought there prices > were very > competitive considering there is no shipping costs for me to pay and you > have a > local point for returns. Those things easily make up for the 1 or 2 dollars > more I > would pay for an item. They had some sweet deals on Maxtor 15 Gig drives for > like > $70. And a 8x CDRW for $120. > > They are going to see alot of business from me! > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > I gave MicroCenter a visit this weekend - they're not too far from me. > > > > However, I was only mildly impressed. While they have a _huge_ selection > > of stuff (beating Borders, General Nanosystems, and CompUSA), they have > > CompUSA-ish prices. > > > > For a company that makes their money moving large quantities of goods, > > I wasn't that impressed. > > > > Ooo! Speaking of good deals, tho, CompUSA has a special on the Iomega > > 4x4x6x External USB burner (for only $200). Supposedly, it works with the > 2.4 > > USB stuff and cdrdao. Good news to hear, especially for us laptop owners. > :) > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > chad@bitstream.net, on 10/05/2000 08:30:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > > you're not familiar with the area. > > > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > > not even Friday yet. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 9 10:07:10 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39E1DF1E.EDBA5E65@structural-wood.com> Are you interested in an afternoon lake walk on Wednesday or Thursday and then a run over to this new Micro Center? Kent > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > you're not familiar with the area. > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > not even Friday yet. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 9 10:13:38 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: Message-ID: <39E1E0A2.E052983F@structural-wood.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Now all we need to do is get them to stay open 24 hours. :) > > And sell pizza and mountain dew... (Yeah, yeah, I know beer is the drink of the day, but I have to maintain some limits on my fantasies) Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Oct 9 10:00:42 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: <0G2600DGH54505@mail1.supervalu.com> Like I said - they have a big selection, but their prices are still MSRP prices for most things - not the online prices you're used to. :( Check them out, they're kind of nifty, tho. Nick kent@structural-wood.com, on 10/09/2000 10:07:10 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Are you interested in an afternoon lake walk on Wednesday or Thursday and then a run over to this new Micro Center? Kent > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > you're not familiar with the area. > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > not even Friday yet. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Oct 9 10:23:01 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <39E1E0A2.E052983F@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Now all we need to do is get them to stay open 24 hours. :) > > > > > And sell pizza and mountain dew... The SAM's club of the computer world. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Oct 9 10:24:20 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <39E1DC9D.6D370139@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <001a01c03204$fee76750$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > > > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > > > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. Yeah, get there quickly if you can -- I was there last night and they were celebrating their grand opening by giving away blank CDs -- a friend and I managed to snag a half-dozen just by walking in and out a couple times. They were also selling power strips for 99 cents, so naturally I stocked up for winter. The book selection is pretty good, and I noticed they've got about a rack's worth of Linux-related software. The one thing I really liked though is all the hardware odds'n'ends are right by the door -- network cable, crimpers, AC adaptors, batteries and other things you're likely to need on short notice. So the browsers tend to head towards the back of the store where the software & PCs are, while those of us who just need to grab a spare set of RJ45 connectors and hit the road are in & out in no time. Also, they're right around the corner from a homebrewing supply company. How convenient is that? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brianj at subrad.com Mon Oct 9 10:33:29 2000 From: brianj at subrad.com (Brian J. Ackermann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, does anybody out there have either the redhat or windows static version they could email me? I can't download anything from whitehats.com (page not found..) looks like they are reworking their setup right now.... Thanks. Brian > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits > against Unix machines too. :) Our office network gets over 200 portscans > per day, and our webserver farm gets thousands. If nothing else, snort > should be able to scare you into caring about security. :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 9 10:27:03 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <001a01c03204$fee76750$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <012d01c03205$614597f0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> There is a homebrewing supply company in St. Louis Park? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hillman" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > > > > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > > > > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > > Yeah, get there quickly if you can -- I was there last night and they were > celebrating their grand opening by giving away blank CDs -- a friend and I > managed to snag a half-dozen just by walking in and out a couple times. They > were also selling power strips for 99 cents, so naturally I stocked up for > winter. > > The book selection is pretty good, and I noticed they've got about a rack's > worth of Linux-related software. The one thing I really liked though is all the > hardware odds'n'ends are right by the door -- network cable, crimpers, AC > adaptors, batteries and other things you're likely to need on short notice. So > the browsers tend to head towards the back of the store where the software & PCs > are, while those of us who just need to grab a spare set of RJ45 connectors and > hit the road are in & out in no time. > > Also, they're right around the corner from a homebrewing supply company. How > convenient is that? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 9 10:28:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? Message-ID: >Also, they're right around the corner from a homebrewing supply company. How >convenient is that? Mmmm, beer and computers. Which homebrew store is that? I need to pick up some cider supplies. :) -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hillman [mailto:ehillman@cccu.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:24 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > > > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > > > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. Yeah, get there quickly if you can -- I was there last night and they were celebrating their grand opening by giving away blank CDs -- a friend and I managed to snag a half-dozen just by walking in and out a couple times. They were also selling power strips for 99 cents, so naturally I stocked up for winter. The book selection is pretty good, and I noticed they've got about a rack's worth of Linux-related software. The one thing I really liked though is all the hardware odds'n'ends are right by the door -- network cable, crimpers, AC adaptors, batteries and other things you're likely to need on short notice. So the browsers tend to head towards the back of the store where the software & PCs are, while those of us who just need to grab a spare set of RJ45 connectors and hit the road are in & out in no time. Also, they're right around the corner from a homebrewing supply company. How convenient is that? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 9 10:29:53 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked Message-ID: http://www.snort.org -----Original Message----- From: Brian J. Ackermann [mailto:brianj@subrad.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:33 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked Hey, does anybody out there have either the redhat or windows static version they could email me? I can't download anything from whitehats.com (page not found..) looks like they are reworking their setup right now.... Thanks. Brian > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits > against Unix machines too. :) Our office network gets over 200 portscans > per day, and our webserver farm gets thousands. If nothing else, snort > should be able to scare you into caring about security. :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Oct 9 10:31:00 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <012d01c03205$614597f0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <001f01c03205$ed7d96f0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > There is a homebrewing supply company in St. Louis Park? Yep, right around the corner from the Micro Center. Actually they sell both homebrewing and hydroponics equipment -- catering to the hardcore homebrewer who wants to grow their own hops, no doubt... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brianj at subrad.com Mon Oct 9 10:38:20 2000 From: brianj at subrad.com (Brian J. Ackermann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You know what....www.snort.org works just fine.... Ignore previous post... > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian J. Ackermann [mailto:brianj@subrad.com] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked > > > Hey, does anybody out there have either the redhat or windows > static version > they could email me? I can't download anything from > whitehats.com (page not > found..) looks like they are reworking their setup right now.... > > Thanks. > > Brian > > > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits > > against Unix machines too. :) Our office network gets over 200 > portscans > > per day, and our webserver farm gets thousands. If nothing else, snort > > should be able to scare you into caring about security. :) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 9 10:30:48 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> <39E1DF1E.EDBA5E65@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <39E1E4A8.6EC992EA@structural-wood.com> Oh crap, sorry about that folks - that was a note to a friend I take walks with... Of course if everyone on the group wants to walk the lake and then descend on Micro CEnter I wouldn't object to that either. My god, I thought I was beyond embarrassment Kent Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Are you interested in an afternoon lake walk on Wednesday or Thursday and > then a run over to this new Micro Center? > > Kent > > > > > I just visited Micro Center in St. Louis Park. It was right off of Highway > > 100 and 36th Street West (next to Burlington Coat Factory). I think it's > > only been open for a couple days. It still had that new store smell. > > > > It's a pretty cool place. It's what you'd get if you took the best parts > > of Border's, CompUSA, and General Nano and put them under one roof. It's > > about the size of a CompUSA, maybe a little smaller. The prices were > > pretty decent. The location kinda blows, expect to do a couple u-turns if > > you're not familiar with the area. > > > > Man, Dark Angel and a cool new computer store in the same week, and it's > > not even Friday yet. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brianj at subrad.com Mon Oct 9 10:39:01 2000 From: brianj at subrad.com (Brian J. Ackermann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: heh...just found it before you linked me....thanks though....! > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:30 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked > > > http://www.snort.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian J. Ackermann [mailto:brianj@subrad.com] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22400] RE: [TCLUG] Hacked > > > Hey, does anybody out there have either the redhat or windows > static version > they could email me? I can't download anything from > whitehats.com (page not > found..) looks like they are reworking their setup right now.... > > Thanks. > > Brian > > > If you're feeling really adventurous, set up snort > > (http://www.whitehats.com/ids). This will give you a good idea of whose > > banging on your door. It's funny to see people running windows exploits > > against Unix machines too. :) Our office network gets over 200 > portscans > > per day, and our webserver farm gets thousands. If nothing else, snort > > should be able to scare you into caring about security. :) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 9 10:47:43 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <39E1E4A8.6EC992EA@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:30:48AM -0500 References: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> <39E1DF1E.EDBA5E65@structural-wood.com> <39E1E4A8.6EC992EA@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001009104743.D30014@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:30:48AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Oh crap, > > sorry about that folks - that was a note to a friend I take walks with... Well, given that a "lake walk" would, presumably, involve spending a significant amount of time outdoors, I had a feeling it wasn't intended for the list... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 9 10:51:46 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? References: <0G25009KVX7PMU@mail1.supervalu.com> <39E1DF1E.EDBA5E65@structural-wood.com> <39E1E4A8.6EC992EA@structural-wood.com> <20001009104743.D30014@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <016601c03208$d504e990$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Hey - laptops work just fine outdoors! :) So does the Diamond RIO. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? > On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:30:48AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Oh crap, > > > > sorry about that folks - that was a note to a friend I take walks with... > > Well, given that a "lake walk" would, presumably, involve spending a > significant amount of time outdoors, I had a feeling it wasn't intended > for the list... > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 11:05:12 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? Message-ID: Sure do. Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black. My station is not up right now, as I am in the process of moving. If you are running Linux, you should try AX25 on it, lots of fun! Kelly Black KB0GBJ >From: Jamie Ostrowski >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 9 11:09:52 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? References: Message-ID: <018101c0320b$5c9a0280$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the Ham Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Black" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > Sure do. Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black. > > My station is not up right now, as I am in the process of moving. If you > are running Linux, you should try AX25 on it, lots of fun! > > Kelly Black > KB0GBJ > > > >From: Jamie Ostrowski > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 9 11:16:55 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? In-Reply-To: <018101c0320b$5c9a0280$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: A screaming 9600 baud over 2 meter I believe. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the Ham > Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Black" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > > > Sure do. Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black. > > > > My station is not up right now, as I am in the process of moving. If you > > are running Linux, you should try AX25 on it, lots of fun! > > > > Kelly Black > > KB0GBJ > > > > > > >From: Jamie Ostrowski > > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >Subject: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 9 11:23:14 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? References: Message-ID: <01b001c0320d$3daebf80$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> What sort of equipment does this interface with? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > A screaming 9600 baud over 2 meter I believe. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the Ham > > Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly Black" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > > > > > > Sure do. Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black. > > > > > > My station is not up right now, as I am in the process of moving. If you > > > are running Linux, you should try AX25 on it, lots of fun! > > > > > > Kelly Black > > > KB0GBJ > > > > > > > > > >From: Jamie Ostrowski > > > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >Subject: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 11:23:21 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? Message-ID: Packet radio is like setting up a network card with a ham radio. It allows you to use your radio equipment to join in a network on the air. A local club runs TCP/IP over it using the reserved 44.x.x.x address space to allow a gateway from this otherwise disconnected network to the Internet at large (The club is called twinslan) site is: www.twinslan.org. Give it a look see to see what I am talking about. (Crud! they apparently are in process of updating as not much on the site) Try http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/pkthome.html for info on packet radio, and other data transmissions..) Kelly Black KB0GBJ >From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:09:52 -0500 > >Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the Ham >Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kelly Black" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:05 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > > > Sure do. Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black. > > > > My station is not up right now, as I am in the process of moving. If >you > > are running Linux, you should try AX25 on it, lots of fun! > > > > Kelly Black > > KB0GBJ > > > > > > >From: Jamie Ostrowski > > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >Subject: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 11:24:30 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? Message-ID: Ahhh, but the connection fees are cheap once the equipment is paid off!!! >From: Adam Maloney >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:16:55 -0500 (CDT) > >A screaming 9600 baud over 2 meter I believe. > >Adam Maloney >Systems Administrator >Sihope Communications > >On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the Ham > > Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly Black" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > > > > > > Sure do. Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black. > > > > > > My station is not up right now, as I am in the process of moving. If >you > > > are running Linux, you should try AX25 on it, lots of fun! > > > > > > Kelly Black > > > KB0GBJ > > > > > > > > > >From: Jamie Ostrowski > > > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >Subject: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey do we have any ham radio operators on this list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 9 11:31:49 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971109109.39e1f2f5bbfe4@www.fandre.com> Quoting Timothy Wilson : > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > What type of CDRW? IDE? I want to get a CDRW, but I don't want to pay > too much > > since I'm on a tight budget.? > > Diapers don't come cheap, do they? :-) Diapers? That formula is expensive as hell too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gje at parrotheaven.com Mon Oct 9 11:35:53 2000 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22417] Seen this before? Message-ID: <001501c0320e$fe05d560$a5be1a18@BEAKER> I tried installing RedHat 6.2 on a Compaq Presario 7000 with an Athalon 900 cpu in it yesterday and the install went fine, but now it won't boot. During the "Disabling CPUID Serial Number" phase I get a GPF and it hangs. No way around it. /* Greg Evans - gje@parrotheaven.com, cens@geeks.org "Freedom is more important than happiness." -Tom Robbins */ From lxy at popmail.com Mon Oct 9 11:32:33 2000 From: lxy at popmail.com (lxy@popmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? Message-ID: > Ahhh, but the connection fees are cheap once the equipment is paid off!!! Doesn't cheap == free? > >A screaming 9600 baud over 2 meter I believe. Maybe I'm ignorant, I've never set up packet radio. Isn't it possible to do 19.2K over 2 meter? Btw, I'm KCØIOG. > > > Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the Ham > > > Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. .................................... Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Mon Oct 9 04:19:53 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22417] Seen this before? Message-ID: <200010090919.EAA31836@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hi all: "Greg Evans" wrote: > I tried installing RedHat 6.2 on a Compaq Presario 7000 with an > Athalon 900 cpu in it yesterday and the install went fine, but now ^***BLAM*** > During the "Disabling CPUID Serial Number" phase I get a GPF and > it hangs. No way around it. A hit on Google yields e.g. http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-hardware%40senator-bedfellow.mit.edu/msg03397.html Thanks for asking this interesting question! J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 12:36:14 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? Message-ID: Yes it is. The local club (Twinslan) was kicking around higher speed packet radio, but not enough interest existed. A backbone for forwarding messages runs at 19.2Kb/s I think, so it should be possible to extend that. The higher baud rates puts a higher demand on your radio equipment (delays due to transmit circuits becomes a major factor at higher rates). Kelly (KB0GBJ) Black >From: lxy@popmail.com >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22382] Any hams in here do packet radio? >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:32:33 -0500 (CDT) > > > Ahhh, but the connection fees are cheap once the equipment is paid >off!!! > >Doesn't cheap == free? > > > >A screaming 9600 baud over 2 meter I believe. > >Maybe I'm ignorant, I've never set up packet radio. Isn't it possible to >do >19.2K over 2 meter? > >Btw, I'm KCØIOG. > > > > > Anyone care to elaborate on what Packet Radio is? I am aware of the >Ham > > > > Radio reference, but I am curious about more details. > > >.................................... >Get your own free email account from >http://www.popmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From david.evans at utoronto.ca Mon Oct 9 13:52:03 2000 From: david.evans at utoronto.ca (David Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22417] Seen this before? References: <001501c0320e$fe05d560$a5be1a18@BEAKER> Message-ID: <39E213D3.7FD6D36B@utoronto.ca> This is caused because the kernel tries to disable the the unique identifier on pentuim IIIs. You can pass "x86_serial_nr=1" to the kernel (ie at the LILO prompt enter "linux x86_serial_nr=1", assuming your linux image is labeled "linux") to disable this feature/bug. In /etc/lilo.conf you can add "append = "x86_serial_nr=1"" under the image which linux boots from in order to always pass this argument. This assumes your using lilo to boot. Newer kernels don't seem to have this problem. I'm using 2.2.17 and it boots without passing this argument on my Duron. Good luck, David Evans Greg Evans wrote: > > I tried installing RedHat 6.2 on a Compaq Presario 7000 with an Athalon 900 cpu in it yesterday and the install went fine, but now it won't boot. During the "Disabling CPUID Serial Number" phase I get a GPF and it hangs. No way around it. > > /* Greg Evans - gje@parrotheaven.com, cens@geeks.org > "Freedom is more important than happiness." -Tom Robbins */ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 9 15:48:18 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22422] RedHat Responds... Message-ID: <971124498.39e22f12a6054@www.fandre.com> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-09-005-21-NW-CY-RH I created a new TCLUG webpoll if you're interested... http://www.mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Oct 9 15:46:43 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22422] RedHat Responds... In-Reply-To: <971124498.39e22f12a6054@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > I created a new TCLUG webpoll if you're interested... "First post...ah.., vote!" -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 9 16:35:29 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs Message-ID: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com> Here's the situation... I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get their e-mail, what have you. So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to Visi, since we get our T1 from them. Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple connections at one time is a plus though. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 9 16:36:05 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22425] anybody use coda? Message-ID: Hi everyone, Has anyone put the coda filesystem through its paces? It sure looks cool. I especially like the disconnected mode. It would be great for laptops. You can read more at http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ Later, Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 9 16:40:05 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs In-Reply-To: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: I went with UUnet.. being atleast minimaly linux friendly.. talked to a network tech there.. his company laptop dials in with linux great. tho i don't think that's very important for andy's uses.. but hey.. they claim "2000 PoP's nation wide" Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Here's the situation... > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > their e-mail, what have you. > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > connections at one time is a plus though. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 9 16:59:16 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs In-Reply-To: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Here's the situation... > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > their e-mail, what have you. > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > connections at one time is a plus though. IBM. All the way. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Mon Oct 9 17:19:45 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks Message-ID: <93338868B0E94D115A250005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> I got kPPP to dial...settings were messed up. Took me a while to figure out how to setup my nameserver. However, when I have Netscape, the stupid irc client that comes with Caldera, and a file browser open at the same time for like 4 mins, the HD sits there and spins itself, my mouse barely moves, and I am forced to slam (restart) the thing. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING!? It runs at like...sub 386 speeds! (this is another reason why I want slack) Also, how do I get Linux to see my dos HD? Linux and dos are on seperate disks. The installfest will be a blast. Use the IRC server. -Blake (Hold on, let me boot up my TV.) ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 9 17:27:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22425] anybody use coda? In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:36:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001009172704.A9718@real-time.com> > Has anyone put the coda filesystem through its paces? It sure looks cool. I > especially like the disconnected mode. It would be great for laptops. You > can read more at http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ it does look interesting, but they do warn that it's not fit for production use. it's more of an academic test-bed than anything else. Intermezzo supposedly is a lot leaner (and maybe safer) than coda. dunno exactly what the status of it is, tho. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 9 17:34:12 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22425] anybody use coda? In-Reply-To: <20001009172704.A9718@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Has anyone put the coda filesystem through its paces? It sure looks cool. I > > especially like the disconnected mode. It would be great for laptops. You > > can read more at http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ > > it does look interesting, but they do warn that it's not fit for production > use. it's more of an academic test-bed than anything else. The impression I got was that they don't recommend it for 100s of clients. It sounds like the folks working on it use it extensively. The idea of caching documents on a laptop for use in disconnected mode and then having changes automatically reintegrated when the laptop is reconnected is really cool. And the performance can't be any worse than NFS. :-) I think I'll give it a whirl after I burn myself some potato CDs at the installfest. > Intermezzo supposedly is a lot leaner (and maybe safer) than coda. dunno > exactly what the status of it is, tho. The intermezzo home is at http://inter-mezzo.org/ I'll check it out. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 9 17:53:30 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you meen AT&T, IBM sold it's dialup.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Here's the situation... > > > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > > their e-mail, what have you. > > > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > > connections at one time is a plus though. > > IBM. All the way. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 9 17:54:47 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks In-Reply-To: <93338868B0E94D115A250005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: yep.. caldera sucks.. stick with something like redhat or debian.. or maybe mandrake.. slack is kinda not good on the user side of things, or the server side for that matter. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > I got kPPP to dial...settings were messed up. Took me a while to figure out how to setup my > nameserver. However, when I have Netscape, the stupid irc client that comes with Caldera, > and a file browser open at the same time for like 4 mins, the HD sits there and spins itself, > my mouse barely moves, and I am forced to slam (restart) the thing. WHY IS THIS > HAPPENING!? It runs at like...sub 386 speeds! (this is another reason why I want slack) > Also, how do I get Linux to see my dos HD? Linux and dos are on seperate disks. > The installfest will be a blast. Use the IRC server. > -Blake (Hold on, let me boot up my TV.) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Mon Oct 9 17:59:30 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks In-Reply-To: <93338868B0E94D115A250005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: Create a directory to mount your winfroze partition, obviously I'm fond of naming it /winfroze. Then you should be able to do: mount /dev/hdc1 /winfroze That of course depends on your hdd being ide, and being the primary master on the secondary ide channel. It also depends on your kernel having support for msdos/vfat either compiled in or available in module form. If you want it mounted automagically add this to your /etc/fstab: /dev/hdc1 /winfroze vfat defaults 1 1 Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Mon Oct 9 18:05:38 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > yep.. caldera sucks.. stick with something like redhat or debian.. or > maybe mandrake.. slack is kinda not good on the user side of things, or > the server side for that matter. Whaddya mean slack isn't good on the user or server side of things? We all know what a fine product RH 7 is, which has really convinced me to never use it for anything vital. As for the user side, debian is quite painful for new users as I have been trying to help one out with it recently. Mandrake is.. well, nevermind. I've heard and seen enough of this list to convince me that instead of it being based off RH, RH is now probably based off Mandrake. Sweet, sweet Smack on the other hand.. it doesn't give you all kinds of handy tools to make managing a system a two second job (and a day long ordeal after it's screwed things up), it just keeps things simple and clean. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Mon Oct 9 17:40:24 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks References: <93338868B0E94D115A250005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: <39E24958.FA4D435B@uswest.net> Au contraire, mon frere! Sign up for the Caldera users list. It's the best tech support I've experienced for Linux. eDesktop 2.4 runs slick as snot on my IBM ThinkPad 1400 (Celeron 366, 64 MB RAM, 1024 x 768 x 24 bpp on 14.1" LCD). Dave Blake wrote: > I got kPPP to dial...settings were messed up. Took me a while to figure out how to setup my > nameserver. However, when I have Netscape, the stupid irc client that comes with Caldera, > and a file browser open at the same time for like 4 mins, the HD sits there and spins itself, > my mouse barely moves, and I am forced to slam (restart) the thing. WHY IS THIS > HAPPENING!? It runs at like...sub 386 speeds! (this is another reason why I want slack) > Also, how do I get Linux to see my dos HD? Linux and dos are on seperate disks. > The installfest will be a blast. Use the IRC server. > -Blake (Hold on, let me boot up my TV.) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- "...[W]e preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:23-24) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 9 18:27:52 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes.. and when i'm admining 80 machines, i don't have time for slackware, and I have not personaly evaluated rh7. It's not what I consider production, and redhat 6.2 isn't what i consider old junk.. redhat 6.2 has been very stable for all my needs, and it's useable on all my hardware. tho I still use debian on the server side of things. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Scott wrote: > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > yep.. caldera sucks.. stick with something like redhat or debian.. or > > maybe mandrake.. slack is kinda not good on the user side of things, or > > the server side for that matter. > > Whaddya mean slack isn't good on the user or server side of > things? We all know what a fine product RH 7 is, which has really > convinced me to never use it for anything vital. As for the user side, > debian is quite painful for new users as I have been trying to help one > out with it recently. Mandrake is.. well, nevermind. I've heard and seen > enough of this list to convince me that instead of it being based off RH, > RH is now probably based off Mandrake. > Sweet, sweet Smack on the other hand.. it doesn't give you all kinds > of handy tools to make managing a system a two second job (and a day long > ordeal after it's screwed things up), it just keeps things simple and > clean. > > Scott > -- ossuary.net -- > "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 9 19:26:19 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 05:53:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001009192619.D5864@ringworld.org> Which is too bad. I used OS/2 back in the day to access IBM's dialups. That ruled, back when win3.11 could barely use the internet, you could connect with IBM in *seconds*. * Ben Kochie [001009 17:53]: > you meen AT&T, IBM sold it's dialup.. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Here's the situation... > > > > > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > > > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > > > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > > > their e-mail, what have you. > > > > > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > > > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > > > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > > > connections at one time is a plus though. > > > > IBM. All the way. > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > Which is too bad. I used OS/2 back in the day to access IBM's dialups. > > That ruled, back when win3.11 could barely use the internet, you could > connect with IBM in *seconds*. > > > * Ben Kochie [001009 17:53]: > > you meen AT&T, IBM sold it's dialup.. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > > Here's the situation... > > > > > > > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > > > > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > > > > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > > > > their e-mail, what have you. > > > > > > > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > > > > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > > > > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > > > > connections at one time is a plus though. > > > > > > IBM. All the way. > > > > > > -- > > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 9 22:16:45 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22425] anybody use coda? Message-ID: I was thinking of using it's replication features to distribute video files to our servers in different parts of the country. Doesn't look ready for production use though, so until it is I've got some sweet rsync action goin on. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:34 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22425] anybody use coda? On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Has anyone put the coda filesystem through its paces? It sure looks cool. I > > especially like the disconnected mode. It would be great for laptops. You > > can read more at http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ > > it does look interesting, but they do warn that it's not fit for production > use. it's more of an academic test-bed than anything else. The impression I got was that they don't recommend it for 100s of clients. It sounds like the folks working on it use it extensively. The idea of caching documents on a laptop for use in disconnected mode and then having changes automatically reintegrated when the laptop is reconnected is really cool. And the performance can't be any worse than NFS. :-) I think I'll give it a whirl after I burn myself some potato CDs at the installfest. > Intermezzo supposedly is a lot leaner (and maybe safer) than coda. dunno > exactly what the status of it is, tho. The intermezzo home is at http://inter-mezzo.org/ I'll check it out. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 9 22:20:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs Message-ID: You can always buy a PRI and get yourself a whole bunch of dialups, you can get an 800 number on it too. Of course, then you have to buy the PRI card for your router if you don't already have one, and you still have to pay for the line. Many of our travelling users are using our corporate ATT account. Seems to work well. Haven't heard anyone complain except for that time someone tried to attach a 40MB powerpoint file to an email and send it over the dialup. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:54 PM To: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs you meen AT&T, IBM sold it's dialup.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Here's the situation... > > > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > > their e-mail, what have you. > > > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > > connections at one time is a plus though. > > IBM. All the way. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 10 00:35:15 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22441] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs In-Reply-To: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:35:29PM -0500 References: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001010003515.B16188@real-time.com> Quoting Andy Zbikowski (andyzb@ltiflex.com): > Here's the situation... > > I'm tired of maintaining the one dial up line that will let users dial in to > our network at a measly 33.6. It's rather impractical when you have sales > people dialing in via their calling cards to hit up the citrix server, get > their e-mail, what have you. > > So I'm looking for a nation-wide ISP. The biggest issue is how many hops to > Visi, since we get our T1 from them. > > Anyone have any suggestions? All I need is a (corporate?) dial up account. > No need of web-space or e-mail. Unlimited hours and allowing mutiple > connections at one time is a plus though. I love Sprint. Visi has at least 1 DS3 from Sprint. Sprint GURANTEES an avg of 70ms across their network. Sprint has a nation-wide analog network. I love Sprint. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 10 00:56:25 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22441] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs In-Reply-To: <20001010003515.B16188@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 12:35:15AM -0500 References: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com> <20001010003515.B16188@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001010005625.E5864@ringworld.org> > Sprint GURANTEES an avg of 70ms across their network. Not from a modem :) But still, this is good to know. I was poking through their IP dialup (non-eartlink) services today, looks nice. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm having trouble believing it too... I really want to know how the mechanics of this thing would work. it stinks a bit like the 'e-mail tax' hoax. how would they charge merchants? per-SSL'ed packet that went across their network? per packet period? how would they know where to bill a merchant; would they only bill merchants who colo/vhost in their facilities? (which would drive people away from them *really* fast) trying to track down the billing address of "Bob & Martha's Bait, Bobbers, & Bullets" to charge them 50 cents for the $10 of buisness they did, seems like a waste of effort. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From eric at urbanrage.com Tue Oct 10 08:38:16 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs References: <39E23A21.E39F684E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39E31BC8.6C950AC@urbanrage.com> PSI has nation wide and international pops, they support modem and isdn on their dialups. They have a good nation wide backbone and many different kinds of connection plans. Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 10 08:42:21 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22443] 1 more reasons to go DSL In-Reply-To: <20001010033853.A19732@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 03:38:53AM -0500 References: <20001010033853.A19732@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001010084221.F5864@ringworld.org> And if you think this is *reliable* reporting, I'm amused. Its probally a reuters screwup by some intern. 20$ the cnn story is based off the reuters wire report. AT&T is *never* quoted in the whole thing. Next time i hear some ISP or Telco is doing something stupid, but probally a rumor in the news, ill be sure to post it here. * Bob Tanner [001010 03:39]: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001009/bs/att_dc_1.html > http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/09/technology/att/ > > This is so lame, I can't believe it! > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These are the companies I've talked with about getting dialup from in different states: Sprint AT&T Genuity (BBN Planet) UUNet (MCI Worldcom) Cable and Wireless Frontier/GlobalCenter Even for just a few accounts, the prices are fairly competitive for each, and if you have T-x service, they may be able to give a break in the price.....but if your going through VISI and want to connect more quickly to that backbone, I'd look at Sprint or UUNet. Genuity seemed higher in price than the other 2. Just my thoughts! MK On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, eric wrote: > PSI has nation wide and international pops, they support modem and isdn > on their dialups. They have a good nation wide backbone and many > different kinds of connection plans. > > Eric > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 10 08:54:08 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22448] Memory Message-ID: <0G27003KAWON2J@mail1.supervalu.com> I just thought I'd let you all know that it seems General Nanosystems and Tran Micro are having a price war on memory ATM. Prices are... unbelievably low, that's all I can say. :) Nick -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nolanjm at juno.com Tue Oct 10 09:18:27 2000 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22449] ham radio Message-ID: <20001010.091828.-291265.0.nolanjm@juno.com> I'm a ham but not into packet, but I can probably answer some questions. Ka 0pfz On 9 Oct 2000 03:47:23 -0000 tclug-list-digest-help@mn-linux.org writes: > > tclug-list Digest 9 Oct 2000 03:47:23 -0000 Issue 744 > > Topics (messages 22351 through 22383): > > OT : BSD's > 22351 by: Clay Fandre > > OT: booze rant > 22352 by: "Jurupari" > > Slackware/Caldera/Installfest/kPPP > 22353 by: "Blake" > 22354 by: Adam Maloney > 22355 by: "Austad, Jay" > 22356 by: Ben Kochie > 22357 by: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > 22358 by: "Austad, Jay" > 22359 by: Michael Vieths > 22360 by: Adam Maloney > 22361 by: Ben Kochie > 22363 by: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > 22368 by: "Austad, Jay" > > Linux laptop questions > 22362 by: cory@real-time.com > 22383 by: David Royer > > sawfish focus configuration > 22364 by: brady > > Hacked > 22365 by: Brian > 22366 by: Ben Kochie > 22367 by: Adam Maloney > 22369 by: Adam Maloney > 22370 by: "Austad, Jay" > 22371 by: Brian > 22372 by: "Austad, Jay" > 22373 by: "Austad, Jay" > 22374 by: Scott Dier > 22375 by: "Austad, Jay" > 22376 by: Adam Maloney > 22377 by: Scott Dier > 22378 by: Scott Dier > 22379 by: Brian > 22381 by: Scott Dier > > [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22365] Hacked > 22380 by: Bob Tanner > > Any hams in here do packet radio? > 22382 by: Jamie Ostrowski > > Administrivia: > > To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: > tclug-list-digest-subscribe@mn-linux.org > > To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: > tclug-list-digest-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > To post to the list, e-mail: > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 10 09:23:18 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22443] 1 more reasons to go DSL References: <20001010033853.A19732@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E32656.C0E9FD4C@ltiflex.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001009/bs/att_dc_1.html > http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/09/technology/att/ > > This is so lame, I can't believe it! All is not lost, the announcment didn't help their stock price any. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 10 09:05:30 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21990] Computer stores in the Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <20001009104743.D30014@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:30:48AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Oh crap, > > > > sorry about that folks - that was a note to a friend I take walks with... > > Well, given that a "lake walk" would, presumably, involve spending a > significant amount of time outdoors, I had a feeling it wasn't intended > for the list... Outdoors? Oh -- you must mean "the big room." -- one of my fave old hacker terms. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 10 10:05:41 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory Message-ID: http://www.tranmicro.com 128MB of PC133 for $94? Not too shabby. -----Original Message----- From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:54 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22448] Memory I just thought I'd let you all know that it seems General Nanosystems and Tran Micro are having a price war on memory ATM. Prices are... unbelievably low, that's all I can say. :) Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 10 10:14:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22448] Memory References: Message-ID: <00f901c032cc$cf578330$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> What brand? The generic stuff is known to cause problems with Athlon processors. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory > http://www.tranmicro.com > > 128MB of PC133 for $94? Not too shabby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com > [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22448] Memory > > > I just thought I'd let you all know that it seems General > Nanosystems and Tran Micro are having a price war on > memory ATM. Prices are... unbelievably low, that's all I can > say. :) > > Nick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 10 11:07:57 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory Message-ID: Says "brand name", but doesn't say what brand. I bought a 64MB stick about a year ago there and it was Samsung. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:15 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22448] Memory What brand? The generic stuff is known to cause problems with Athlon processors. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory > http://www.tranmicro.com > > 128MB of PC133 for $94? Not too shabby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com > [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22448] Memory > > > I just thought I'd let you all know that it seems General > Nanosystems and Tran Micro are having a price war on > memory ATM. Prices are... unbelievably low, that's all I can > say. :) > > Nick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Oct 10 11:17:54 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22443] 1 more reasons to go DSL References: <20001010033853.A19732@real-time.com> <20001010073951.H20874@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E34132.44A53729@usfamily.net> They are doing this in many countries in Europe. They charge for data transfer across the telephone lines. All they have to do I have some type of paket sniffer to see what youre sending and where and then they will charge you. They dont have to charge the merchant they can just add it to your monthly phone/internet bill. Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001009/bs/att_dc_1.html > > http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/09/technology/att/ > > > > This is so lame, I can't believe it! > > I'm having trouble believing it too... I really want to know how the > mechanics of this thing would work. it stinks a bit like the 'e-mail tax' > hoax. > how would they charge merchants? per-SSL'ed packet that went across their > network? per packet period? how would they know where to bill a merchant; > would they only bill merchants who colo/vhost in their facilities? (which > would drive people away from them *really* fast) trying to track down the > billing address of "Bob & Martha's Bait, Bobbers, & Bullets" to charge them > 50 cents for the $10 of buisness they did, seems like a waste of effort. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 10 10:59:18 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory Message-ID: <0G280061V2H657@mail1.supervalu.com> I've bought memory at Tran Micro many times, and it has always been Micron memory. NIck austad@marketwatch.com, on 10/10/2000 11:07:57 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory Says "brand name", but doesn't say what brand. I bought a 64MB stick about a year ago there and it was Samsung. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:15 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22448] Memory What brand? The generic stuff is known to cause problems with Athlon processors. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22448] Memory > http://www.tranmicro.com > > 128MB of PC133 for $94? Not too shabby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com > [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22448] Memory > > > I just thought I'd let you all know that it seems General > Nanosystems and Tran Micro are having a price war on > memory ATM. Prices are... unbelievably low, that's all I can > say. :) > > Nick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Oct 10 11:38:40 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards Message-ID: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all: My laptop, up to a week ago, was running a Xircom 10/100 PCMCIA card. Now I have a Intel Etherexpress Pro 100/B, 10/100 MBit/s autosensing chip on the Mini-PCI bus, and it works (according to various sources) with the standard Intel driver. I don't have something like kudzu to autodetect a hardware change (running Debian), so how do I get it to recognize the new lan chip? From some searching, I understand that the Intel EE Pro is support by the current 2.2.1* kernel. I did an ifconfig and it lists a tap0 along with lo but no eth0. Is cardmgr waiting for me to insert a new PCMCIA card in order to supply networking and prevents any type of detection of the Intel card on the PCI bus? Thank you, -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 12:15:22 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks Message-ID: Slack is kind of excellent when it comes to learning what is actually going on. If you don't want to know, you should run something else. Kelly Black >From: Ben Kochie >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:54:47 -0500 (CDT) > >yep.. caldera sucks.. stick with something like redhat or debian.. or >maybe mandrake.. slack is kinda not good on the user side of things, or >the server side for that matter. > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] >| Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] >| PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] >| Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] >| http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > I got kPPP to dial...settings were messed up. Took me a while to figure >out how to setup my > > nameserver. However, when I have Netscape, the stupid irc client that >comes with Caldera, > > and a file browser open at the same time for like 4 mins, the HD sits >there and spins itself, > > my mouse barely moves, and I am forced to slam (restart) the thing. WHY >IS THIS > > HAPPENING!? It runs at like...sub 386 speeds! (this is another reason >why I want slack) > > Also, how do I get Linux to see my dos HD? Linux and dos are on seperate >disks. > > The installfest will be a blast. Use the IRC server. > > -Blake (Hold on, let me boot up my TV.) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 10 12:52:48 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks Message-ID: I ran slackware back in the 1.3 days. It was definitely a good distribution to learn what was going on then... I haven't used it recently though. I had it set up to autodial the U of MN modem pool everyday during the hours I was at school so I could get to it from school. It was nice when they didn't meter your access at all... -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Black [mailto:blackk100@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:15 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks Slack is kind of excellent when it comes to learning what is actually going on. If you don't want to know, you should run something else. Kelly Black >From: Ben Kochie >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22428] Caldera sucks >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:54:47 -0500 (CDT) > >yep.. caldera sucks.. stick with something like redhat or debian.. or >maybe mandrake.. slack is kinda not good on the user side of things, or >the server side for that matter. > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] >| Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] >| PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] >| Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] >| http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > > > I got kPPP to dial...settings were messed up. Took me a while to figure >out how to setup my > > nameserver. However, when I have Netscape, the stupid irc client that >comes with Caldera, > > and a file browser open at the same time for like 4 mins, the HD sits >there and spins itself, > > my mouse barely moves, and I am forced to slam (restart) the thing. WHY >IS THIS > > HAPPENING!? It runs at like...sub 386 speeds! (this is another reason >why I want slack) > > Also, how do I get Linux to see my dos HD? Linux and dos are on seperate >disks. > > The installfest will be a blast. Use the IRC server. > > -Blake (Hold on, let me boot up my TV.) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From theixian at unrest.cx Tue Oct 10 13:34:02 2000 From: theixian at unrest.cx (The Ixian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> did you, by chance, compile your kernel with eepro support? if you have compiled the driver as a module you need to load it first (remember to unload your current driver, if applicable) once it is loaded run ifconfig and set your default gateway and you are ready to go. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Those who respect the law or enjoy sausages should never watch either one being made. -- Otto von Bismarck --------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key can be found at http://opeth.unrest.cx/pgp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards : Greet the sun all: : : My laptop, up to a week ago, was running a Xircom 10/100 PCMCIA card. : Now I have a Intel Etherexpress Pro 100/B, 10/100 MBit/s autosensing : chip on the Mini-PCI bus, and it works (according to various sources) : with the standard Intel driver. I don't have something like kudzu to : autodetect a hardware change (running Debian), so how do I get it to : recognize the new lan chip? From some searching, I understand that the : Intel EE Pro is support by the current 2.2.1* kernel. I did an ifconfig : and it lists a tap0 along with lo but no eth0. Is cardmgr waiting for : me to insert a new PCMCIA card in order to supply networking and : prevents any type of detection of the Intel card on the PCI bus? : : Thank you, : : -- : Perry Hoekstra : E-Commerce Architect : Talent Software Services : dutchman@mn.uswest.net : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Oct 10 14:38:05 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> Message-ID: <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> The Ixian wrote: > > did you, by chance, compile your kernel with eepro support? No, I have not touched the kernel > if you have compiled the driver as a module you need to load it first > (remember to unload your current driver, if applicable) > once it is loaded run ifconfig and set your default gateway and you are > ready to go. The module eepro100 exists in the modules directory. I did an insmod on the module and saw it loaded through lsmod and there is no modules dependencies within modules.dep. There is not a current network driver loaded because it was coming through the PCMCIA card. I would like to have the module loaded automatically. Does anyone know within Debian what the appropriate rc script is to issue an insmod? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 10 14:48:49 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <00f801c032f3$26f97be0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> You create an entry in /etc/conf.modules (or /etc/modules.conf) that aliases the driver to the interface. alias eepro100 eth0 I believe this is the syntax. I usually load modules explicitly instead of letting kmod do it, so it has been awhile since I attempted it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hoekstra" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards > The Ixian wrote: > > > > did you, by chance, compile your kernel with eepro support? > > No, I have not touched the kernel > > > if you have compiled the driver as a module you need to load it first > > (remember to unload your current driver, if applicable) > > once it is loaded run ifconfig and set your default gateway and you are > > ready to go. > > The module eepro100 exists in the modules directory. I did an insmod on > the module and saw it loaded through lsmod and there is no modules > dependencies within modules.dep. There is not a current network driver > loaded because it was coming through the PCMCIA card. I would like to > have the module loaded automatically. Does anyone know within Debian > what the appropriate rc script is to issue an insmod? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 15:11:05 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 02:38:05PM -0500 References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001010151105.A30316@yahoo.com> pcmcia-cs doesn't use the same modules as normal network cards do. What I'd do is get the newest version of pcmcia-cs http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ and compile/install it yourself. David Hinds has done an awesome job of setting up PCMCIA drivers for linux. Read the PCMCIA-HOWTO file that comes with pcmcia-cs. I wish all machines had pcmcia slots. It's awesome being able to take out one card, plop in another and not even fall off the network. In my experience with NT you had to install drivers each time you put a new card in, even if it was just in the other slot. Tim On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 02:38:05PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > The Ixian wrote: > > > > did you, by chance, compile your kernel with eepro support? > > No, I have not touched the kernel > > > if you have compiled the driver as a module you need to load it first > > (remember to unload your current driver, if applicable) > > once it is loaded run ifconfig and set your default gateway and you are > > ready to go. > > The module eepro100 exists in the modules directory. I did an insmod on > the module and saw it loaded through lsmod and there is no modules > dependencies within modules.dep. There is not a current network driver > loaded because it was coming through the PCMCIA card. I would like to > have the module loaded automatically. Does anyone know within Debian > what the appropriate rc script is to issue an insmod? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 10 15:01:40 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <20001010151105.A30316@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 03:11:05PM -0500 References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> <20001010151105.A30316@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001010150140.A9718@real-time.com> > I wish all machines had pcmcia slots. It's awesome being able to > take out one card, plop in another and not even fall off the network. > In my experience with NT you had to install drivers each time you > put a new card in, even if it was just in the other slot. Win98 sometimes makes you reinstall drivers when you change your IP address. ;> (I think it's just a nag feature, to make sure you have the original media or something. there's no other good explanation for it). Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 15:40:20 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <20001010150140.A9718@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 03:01:40PM -0500 References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> <20001010151105.A30316@yahoo.com> <20001010150140.A9718@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001010154020.A30378@yahoo.com> On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 03:01:40PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I wish all machines had pcmcia slots. It's awesome being able to > > take out one card, plop in another and not even fall off the network. > > In my experience with NT you had to install drivers each time you > > put a new card in, even if it was just in the other slot. > > Win98 sometimes makes you reinstall drivers when you change your IP address. > ;> (I think it's just a nag feature, to make sure you have the original > media or something. there's no other good explanation for it). > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org I'm suprised they haven't put credit card readers into PC's yet so when you move the mouse you have to scan your card to pay M$ for your 'Mouse Movement License'(TM). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Oct 10 16:10:15 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> <00f801c032f3$26f97be0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39E385B7.8708FAEA@mn.uswest.net> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > You create an entry in /etc/conf.modules (or /etc/modules.conf) that aliases > the driver to the interface. > > alias eepro100 eth0 > > I believe this is the syntax. I usually load modules explicitly instead of > letting kmod do it, so it has been awhile since I attempted it. > Should I have seen a reference to eth0 when the system started up? I looked at the /var/log/messages file and could see no reference to eth0. Doing an ifconfig revealed only lo and tap0. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Oct 10 17:14:07 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <39E385B7.8708FAEA@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 04:10:15PM -0500 References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> <00f801c032f3$26f97be0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39E385B7.8708FAEA@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001010171407.A8082@ares.usinternet.com> On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 04:10:15PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > >Should I have seen a reference to eth0 when the system started up? I >looked at the /var/log/messages file and could see no reference to >eth0. Doing an ifconfig revealed only lo and tap0. > Sounds to me like you'd learn alot more by reading the how-to. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 10 18:21:08 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards Message-ID: If it's a pcmcia card you're putting in, you shouldn't be using the modules that come with the kernel, you should be using the ones with card services. If card services is running, it should detect and bring up your card as soon as you pop it in. Of course, I had a toshiba laptop that required you to have it in on boot or it wouldn't work. jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@usinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:14 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 04:10:15PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > >Should I have seen a reference to eth0 when the system started up? I >looked at the /var/log/messages file and could see no reference to >eth0. Doing an ifconfig revealed only lo and tap0. > Sounds to me like you'd learn alot more by reading the how-to. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Oct 10 21:27:51 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? Message-ID: Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? Here's my reasoning. I have a nice AGP video card that for my box and I want to continue to use it for my display. Someone gave me a PCI TV tuner card that I'd also like to use. Trouble is it only has 2MB video RAM, so I don't want to use it as my primary display. I also don't have a second decent monitor so I figured since I can export displays in XFree86 and all, how about putting both cards in, running an X display on each, then exporting the window of the TV turner program to my main display, on the nice AGP card, and I can have the best of both worlds. Will this work? I haven't tried it, but I'd like some data on this before I take down my machine for it. URLs are good as well, I haven't done much of a search on this yet. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 10 21:35:38 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 10 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one > machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? That is very, VERY interesting, especially now that I have the dualhead Matrox and only one monitor... Hmm. X does support multiple adapters and monitors, so you might be able to specify which device to use with each configuration, and run X with displays set as :0.0 and :0.1. Also, look into Frame Buffer devices. That way you can definetly point to different devices. Sorry I don't have any more concrete advice. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 22:06:42 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22471] Installafest Message-ID: This is going to be my first Installafest. Now I don't have anything in particular that I want to install or upgrade, does it matter if I just come and watch? Is this ok? I am thinking that once I get there I will see something that interests me. Thanks, Chris Opp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 10 22:13:34 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you can get a cheap mechanical switch at compUSA or something.. that should work.. shouldn't cost more than $40 or so.. cables and stuff Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On 10 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one > machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? > > Here's my reasoning. I have a nice AGP video card that for my box and I want > to continue to use it for my display. Someone gave me a PCI TV tuner card > that I'd also like to use. Trouble is it only has 2MB video RAM, so I don't > want to use it as my primary display. I also don't have a second decent > monitor so I figured since I can export displays in XFree86 and all, how about > putting both cards in, running an X display on each, then exporting the window > of the TV turner program to my main display, on the nice AGP card, and I can > have the best of both worlds. Will this work? I haven't tried it, but I'd > like some data on this before I take down my machine for it. URLs are good as > well, I haven't done much of a search on this yet. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hutera at mediaone.net Tue Oct 10 22:25:25 2000 From: hutera at mediaone.net (Steven Hutera) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22473] Questions About Postfix and e-mail Message-ID: <39E3DDA5.9D91FDA@mediaone.net> I have a question. I'm running postfix and qpopper Iam having problems trying to give my virtual domains e-mail. I'm using the aliases file in /etc. I would like to give more then 1 virtual domain the same user name for e-mail. With my current setup I can only have one e-mail address for info, sales, webmaster ect. I would like to setup it up so that i could use info@abc.com and info@xyz.com etc. What is the magic I need to perform to make this happen?? Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Oct 10 22:32:54 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Ben Kochie's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:13:34 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: But then I can only watch TV or work on code, I want to do both at the same time. Nice thought though. Ben Kochie writes: > you can get a cheap mechanical switch at compUSA or something.. that > should work.. shouldn't cost more than $40 or so.. cables and stuff > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Oct 10 22:33:16 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:35:38 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Do I need to tell my BIOS something special to know which card is master or something like that? Yaron writes: > Hi, > > On 10 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one > > machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? > > That is very, VERY interesting, especially now that I have the dualhead > Matrox and only one monitor... > > Hmm. > > X does support multiple adapters and monitors, so you might be able to > specify which device to use with each configuration, and run X with > displays set as :0.0 and :0.1. > > Also, look into Frame Buffer devices. That way you can definetly point to > different devices. > > Sorry I don't have any more concrete advice. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Oct 10 22:56:48 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem In-Reply-To: <39E3DDA5.9D91FDA@mediaone.net> Message-ID: I decided to try SuSE 7.0 but have run into a little hang up. The install gets so far as 'initializing /home' and then there is a flash (looks like it's starting an X server) and it hangs. I've got a laptop with a Trident Cyber video chipset. It's always been a little finicky with X and I think that's the problem. Is there a text install or maybe some way to pass parameters to the X server so it doesn't choke? Thanks, Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 10 23:22:24 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? References: Message-ID: <39E3EB00.51BC618B@tc.umn.edu> Jon Schewe wrote: > > Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one > machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? Well, there are a few monitors that allow multiple inputs. One of my roommates has one that lets you switch between BNC connectors and a regular VGA input. This would still require you to get a new monitor, which probably defeats the whole purpose... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I think, therefore I am. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ I think. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 10 23:25:05 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? References: Message-ID: <39E3EBA1.6C03CA0E@tc.umn.edu> Jon Schewe wrote: > > But then I can only watch TV or work on code, I want to do both at the same > time. Nice thought though. If you want to do that, I'd just suggest getting a cheapo monitor for the TV card. All but the worst monitors are better than TVs anyway... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ My other computer is an / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ abacus. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 11 01:14:41 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 10 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > Do I need to tell my BIOS something special to know which card is master or > something like that? Is one AGP and the other PCI? Most BIOSes have a setting for that (Primary Display is selectable). If not, um, I guess whichever the machine sees first would work... I never really tried this, I just think it sounds cool. Gonna have to give it a try with the Martox, except that as far as I can tell it shows up as ONE display adapter. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 11 03:56:51 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> <00f801c032f3$26f97be0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39E385B7.8708FAEA@mn.uswest.net> <20001010171407.A8082@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39E42B53.D46D8DC3@mn.uswest.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 04:10:15PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > >Should I have seen a reference to eth0 when the system started up? I > >looked at the /var/log/messages file and could see no reference to > >eth0. Doing an ifconfig revealed only lo and tap0. > > > Sounds to me like you'd learn alot more by reading the how-to. Which one? I have gone through the PCMCIA How-To but it really doesn't apply because I am try to get the onboard Ethernet to work, not a PCMCIA card. In addition, I have gone through the various pertinant chapters in "Running Linux" in order to "get a clue" but have had no great revelations. I have poked around my Red Hat 6.2 installation on my home workstation but it basically showed my what Tom Veldhouse described. That in conf.modules, I have an alias to eth0 for the tulip module. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Service dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 11 03:57:52 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: Message-ID: <39E42B90.2CED55ED@mn.uswest.net> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > If it's a pcmcia card you're putting in, you shouldn't be using the modules > that come with the kernel, you should be using the ones with card services. > If card services is running, it should detect and bring up your card as soon > as you pop it in. Of course, I had a toshiba laptop that required you to > have it in on boot or it wouldn't work. I am trying to get the embedded, onboard Ethernet to work, not a PCMCIA card. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Service dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 11 07:18:00 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22471] Installafest References: Message-ID: <39E45A78.8F62BBC@fandre.com> Chris Opp wrote: > > This is going to be my first Installafest. Now I don't have anything in > particular that I want to install or upgrade, does it matter if I just come > and watch? Is this ok? I am thinking that once I get there I will see > something that interests me. Absolutly. Watching other users is one of the best ways to learn. And don't be afraid to ask what others are doing. Since these things are usually pretty chaotic, you need to be aggressive when you first get there. Pull up a chair next to someone and ask them what they're doing. Nobody will mind. We're just one big family. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 11 07:51:27 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <39E42B53.D46D8DC3@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Which one? I have gone through the PCMCIA How-To but it really doesn't > apply because I am try to get the onboard Ethernet to work, not a PCMCIA > card. In addition, I have gone through the various pertinant chapters > in "Running Linux" in order to "get a clue" but have had no great > revelations. I have poked around my Red Hat 6.2 installation on my home > workstation but it basically showed my what Tom Veldhouse described. > That in conf.modules, I have an alias to eth0 for the tulip module. Is this a RedHat box? If so, create the alias in conf.modules/modules.conf, and then create a file called /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 with the following: DEVICE=eth0 IPADDR=192.168.100.1 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.100.0 BROADCAST=192.168.100.255 ONBOOT=yes ..use your own settings, of course. Or, you can run linuxconf, and do it all from there. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cleyda at yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 08:20:16 2000 From: cleyda at yahoo.com (Charles Leyda) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group Message-ID: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> I just recent added my name to the mail list for this group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers and 9 pc. I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of using Linux to replace Unix ??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 11 08:26:59 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Mike Hicks's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:25:05 -0500" References: <39E3EBA1.6C03CA0E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Mike Hicks writes: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > But then I can only watch TV or work on code, I want to do both at the same > > time. Nice thought though. > > If you want to do that, I'd just suggest getting a cheapo monitor for > the TV card. All but the worst monitors are better than TVs anyway... Good point. Guess all I need now is a long weekend and some docs. Anyone got any pointers? -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 11 08:28:36 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Mike Hicks's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:22:24 -0500" References: <39E3EB00.51BC618B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Mike Hicks writes: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one > > machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? > > Well, there are a few monitors that allow multiple inputs. One of my > roommates has one that lets you switch between BNC connectors and a > regular VGA input. This would still require you to get a new monitor, > which probably defeats the whole purpose... Pretty much. I'm trying to minimize the amount of space my system takes up in my bedroom, so I don't want an extra tower there just for the TV card. I'd rather not have the extra monitor too and just export the display to my main monitor, but if I have to, I can use an old 14" and stick it somewhere. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 11 08:30:16 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yes.. I have been running linux for 4-5 years now, and my company runs just about all our user workstations on linux. we develop new apps, in C and java, to run on different systems ranging from sales automation/reporting, to robotic controls, to inventory control. We also use linux in the offices, to provide terminal emulation to our aging unix server (DG/UX) and we have been pricing new software systems to replace this server with a nice dual or quad processor Linux server. tho we don't have the funds to do such a project right now.. we are considering purchasing a copy of our database engine (progres) that will run on linux. and port our software to the new version so that we can replace the aging Data General hardware. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Charles Leyda wrote: > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mthoren at mttcc.com Wed Oct 11 08:28:58 2000 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39E46B1A.642D30B8@mttcc.com> Charles Leyda wrote: > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Charles, I work in the electric utility business and have seen linux take an ever increasing role in SCADA (supervisory control and data acquisition), DMS (distribution management) and as consoles. I have seen utilities replace expensive workstations that were used only as consoles and in their place - dual monitor linux boxes. All of my customers have linux running somewhere and they all have plans on continuing to increase their presence. It just makes good business sense - low cost and highly flexible (box can be used for development, as a server, or simply as a console) and less hassle with licenses. Matt. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 11 08:39:08 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: Message-ID: <39E46D7C.70EDEDA8@mn.uswest.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Which one? I have gone through the PCMCIA How-To but it really doesn't > > apply because I am try to get the onboard Ethernet to work, not a PCMCIA > > card. In addition, I have gone through the various pertinant chapters > > in "Running Linux" in order to "get a clue" but have had no great > > revelations. I have poked around my Red Hat 6.2 installation on my home > > workstation but it basically showed my what Tom Veldhouse described. > > That in conf.modules, I have an alias to eth0 for the tulip module. > > Is this a RedHat box? > > If so, create the alias in conf.modules/modules.conf, and then create a > file called /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 with the following: > > DEVICE=eth0 > IPADDR=192.168.100.1 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > NETWORK=192.168.100.0 > BROADCAST=192.168.100.255 > ONBOOT=yes > > ..use your own settings, of course. Or, you can run linuxconf, and do it > all from there. No, my workstations at home are RedHat. I was just poking around to see how they were setup. The laptop under discussion is Debian. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Oct 11 09:09:33 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22471] Installafest References: <39E45A78.8F62BBC@fandre.com> Message-ID: <39E4749D.E8825C81@ltiflex.com> > We're just one big family. Daddy, tell Ben to stop touching me. sorry, couldn't resist. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Oct 11 09:13:12 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39E47578.668ABBC0@structural-wood.com> Charles Leyda wrote: > > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? > > _ Hi Charles- I also am a 'one man shop' Unix user. We went from text-terminals running off an HP system in the 80's, to text-terminals running off an x86 SCO system, to X-terminals running off of x86 UnixWare and Sparc Solaris boxes. We are down to one UnixWare box (with a backup mirror) and one Solaris box (with a backup mirror). We will be decommissioning the UnixWare box and moving all apps from the Solaris box (excepting Autocad) to Linux by the end of November. We have had test Linux servers running for over a year. We have 1 Windows machine that is accessible to anyone on their X-terminal via VNC, but it is used solely for translating wierd format windows files that are sent to us via e-mail and to run a structural analysis program that is unavailable on non-legacy computers (grin). Oh, our business is the same size as yours - about 100 employees. 40 X-terminals, 40 printers/plotters/label printers. Linux is on a par with UnixWare for stability - actually the OS seems slightly better, and since I can choose from a wide range of hardware I feel I can make Linux a lot more stable than UnixWare. Note that I currently expect uptimes of 6 months with UnixWare without any incidents - I am guessing Linux will approach my Solaris box, which is typically 12 months without incidents - most incidents in the life of my Solaris box have been related to external events outside the box (like, gee I wonder what this power cord is connected to...). So, in answer to your question - yes, I am seriously going to replace Unix with Linux. Hypercaffienatedly, Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Oct 11 09:36:30 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used to work for an ISP that was all Linux. A fall-out with management ended my employment. We started with 1 Proliant running SCO, then NT. When I left there were a dozen servers running Slackware and 6 or 7 workstations running Mandrake (no, I didn't sell out, the decision to go with Mandrake was out of my hands). I feel that in the right hands Linux is a viable alternative to commercial unix. I had very stable systems and rarely had problems. Every once in awhile I'd come across hardware that didn't support Linux (Linux supported the hardware, but the vendor wouldn't give us tech support) but those were few and far between. I had a slack 3.4 (maybe earlier) box doing mail, DNS and radius (sendmail, BIND, livingston, respectively). A couple machines that backed up those services, and a crapload of web servers. I believe Real-Time is also all Linux, and they seem pretty successful. I'm sure they would agree with what I've said. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Charles Leyda wrote: > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Wed Oct 11 10:30:02 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22473] Questions About Postfix and e-mail In-Reply-To: <39E3DDA5.9D91FDA@mediaone.net> Message-ID: You use the virtual domains file, usually found at /etc/postfix/virtual. Here's an example of what you could enter: abc.com ABC domain info@abc.com realusername blah@abc.com realusername xyz.com XYZ domain info@xyz.com realusername blah@xyz.com realusername Then you'll have to run 'postmap /etc/postfix/virtual' and then 'postfix reload'. Everything should work after that. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 11 11:01:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group Message-ID: When I was job hunting last year, I interviewed at harmon glass (too many cubicles for me). The ran Unixware at the time and were talking about replacing it all with Linux. Around 500 remote stores would get their SCO ripped out and replaced, and a bunch of local stuff. I don't know if they actually went through with it, but they were talking seriously about it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:37 AM To: MINN LINUX USERS Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group I used to work for an ISP that was all Linux. A fall-out with management ended my employment. We started with 1 Proliant running SCO, then NT. When I left there were a dozen servers running Slackware and 6 or 7 workstations running Mandrake (no, I didn't sell out, the decision to go with Mandrake was out of my hands). I feel that in the right hands Linux is a viable alternative to commercial unix. I had very stable systems and rarely had problems. Every once in awhile I'd come across hardware that didn't support Linux (Linux supported the hardware, but the vendor wouldn't give us tech support) but those were few and far between. I had a slack 3.4 (maybe earlier) box doing mail, DNS and radius (sendmail, BIND, livingston, respectively). A couple machines that backed up those services, and a crapload of web servers. I believe Real-Time is also all Linux, and they seem pretty successful. I'm sure they would agree with what I've said. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Charles Leyda wrote: > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 11 11:05:00 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? Message-ID: Have you tried just downloading and running TV tuner software yet? Just plug your monitor into the AGP card, start the tuner software, and hopefully it will work. That particular card you have with the tuner doesn't render directly to the screen, it has to go through software first. I suspect the video portion of that card and the TV tuner are not really integrated at all. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:29 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? Mike Hicks writes: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Yes you read hte subject line correctly I want to have two video cards in one > > machine and 1 monitor. Is this possible? > > Well, there are a few monitors that allow multiple inputs. One of my > roommates has one that lets you switch between BNC connectors and a > regular VGA input. This would still require you to get a new monitor, > which probably defeats the whole purpose... Pretty much. I'm trying to minimize the amount of space my system takes up in my bedroom, so I don't want an extra tower there just for the TV card. I'd rather not have the extra monitor too and just export the display to my main monitor, but if I have to, I can use an old 14" and stick it somewhere. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 11 11:07:32 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com>; from cleyda@yahoo.com on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 06:20:16AM -0700 References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001011110732.A4673@sherohman.org> On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 06:20:16AM -0700, Charles Leyda wrote: > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. Huh? Why would a "one man shop" include 100 people? I'd call that a 100-man shop... > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? Don't think that we're not serious about Linux just because we have fun with it. When we joke about linux taking over the world, most of us are at least half-serious... - This list is hosted by Real-Time Enterprises, a linux-centric ISP - Some of us use linux on the job. Many (most?) of the rest are hoping to find jobs using it in the relatively near future. - I consider linux to be Yet Another Unix. Although it's not entitled to the trademark, I have yet to see any reason for thinking it in any way inferior to the commercial unices. - I've heard that linux is taking over the commercial unix world, not only by replacing unix installations, but also in that commercial unices are moving towards standardizing on linux-compatibility. But I haven't seen any hard data or official statements to back that up. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Wed Oct 11 11:10:33 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011110732.A4673@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:07:32AM -0500 References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> <20001011110732.A4673@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001011111033.E31643@ravendusk.org> On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > - I've heard that linux is taking over the commercial unix world, not only by > replacing unix installations, but also in that commercial unices are moving > towards standardizing on linux-compatibility. But I haven't seen any hard > data or official statements to back that up. You mean like the IBM/Redhat deal announced today on slashdot? http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/business/current/redhat10.htm John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 11 11:35:35 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011111033.E31643@ravendusk.org>; from dusk@ravendusk.org on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:10:33AM -0500 References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> <20001011110732.A4673@sherohman.org> <20001011111033.E31643@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: <20001011113535.D4673@sherohman.org> On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:10:33AM -0500, John R. Sheets wrote: > On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > - I've heard that linux is taking over the commercial unix world, not only by > > replacing unix installations, but also in that commercial unices are moving > > towards standardizing on linux-compatibility. But I haven't seen any hard > > data or official statements to back that up. > > You mean like the IBM/Redhat deal announced today on slashdot? Not quite... My impresstion is that such a deal would, effectively, mean getting rid of (or at least de-emphasizing) AIX and replacing it with RH. The rumors I was referring to would be more along the lines of AIX being kept at center stage, but made more linux-like. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 11 12:42:59 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again Message-ID: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Here is the lowdown from slashdot. It appears that the uptime of an out-of-the-box RedHat 7 machine can be no more than 3 weeks without the subsequently released fix. Herz writes: "I got this email today from Red Hat. RH7 will crash out of the box in 3 weeks! The new Update Agent provided with Red Hat Linux 7.0 contains a daemon, rhnsd, which periodically polls Red Hat Network for updates. This daemon leaks file descriptors. On a default installation, all available file descriptors will be used by rhnsd in approximately three weeks, making the system unusable." The Red Hat folks have also provided a fix, though -- updated packages for those who want to use their update network, and the two-line method of disabling per machine for those who don't. After all, everyone wants uptime > 3 weeks, eh? And you don't need to wait for a "service pack," either. Need I say more? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Oct 11 12:49:59 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again References: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39E4A847.E81CA7B8@structural-wood.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Here is the lowdown from slashdot. It appears that the uptime of an > out-of-the-box RedHat 7 machine can be no more than 3 weeks without the > subsequently released fix. > > Herz writes: "I got this email today from Red Hat. RH7 will crash out of the > box in 3 weeks! The new Update Agent provided with Red Hat Linux 7.0 > contains a daemon, rhnsd, which periodically polls Red Hat Network for > updates. This daemon leaks file descriptors. On a default installation, all > available file descriptors will be used by rhnsd in approximately three > weeks, making the system unusable." The Red Hat folks have also provided a > fix, though -- updated packages for those who want to use their update > network, and the two-line method of disabling per machine for those who > don't. After all, everyone wants uptime > 3 weeks, eh? And you don't need to > wait for a "service pack," either. > > Need I say more? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > RedHat has finally acheived feature parity with Microsoft... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Oct 11 12:51:37 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs References: Message-ID: <39E4A8A9.AF493CC@ltiflex.com> Ben Kochie wrote: > > I went with UUnet.. being atleast minimaly linux friendly.. talked to a > network tech there.. his company laptop dials in with linux great. tho i > don't think that's very important for andy's uses.. but hey.. they claim > "2000 PoP's nation wide" I envy you, being able to seel Linux like that. Must be nice. How in the world did you ever manage it? :p (How are those NCD's anyway? Specs? Price? etc? Our old server systems are being retired ASAP, cause the one that was hosting Citrix just blew up, and I'm not talking NT blew up, I'm taking sparks and smoke.) Anyway, if you get a chance sometime in the near future could you to a traceroute off your UUnet dial-up to sgw-rogers.ltiflex.com. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 11 13:24:25 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22502] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com>; from cleyda@yahoo.com on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 06:20:16AM -0700 References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001011132425.K19761@real-time.com> Quoting Charles Leyda (cleyda@yahoo.com): > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > and 9 pc. > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > using Linux to replace Unix ??? Thinking? Been there and done that. Real Time was a 100% solaris shop, we are now 99% Linux shop. Still got 2 Windoze machines, 1 for the sales guys laptop and another for the Web developer. But all our core machines are running inte/alpha/sparc linux. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 11 14:02:20 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again References: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39E4B93C.CB1F2BDE@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Here is the lowdown from slashdot. It appears that the uptime of an > out-of-the-box RedHat 7 machine can be no more than 3 weeks without the > subsequently released fix. > > Herz writes: "I got this email today from Red Hat. RH7 will crash out of the > box in 3 weeks! The new Update Agent provided with Red Hat Linux 7.0 > contains a daemon, rhnsd, which periodically polls Red Hat Network for > updates. This daemon leaks file descriptors. On a default installation, all > available file descriptors will be used by rhnsd in approximately three > weeks, making the system unusable." The Red Hat folks have also provided a > fix, though -- updated packages for those who want to use their update > network, and the two-line method of disabling per machine for those who > don't. After all, everyone wants uptime > 3 weeks, eh? And you don't need to > wait for a "service pack," either. > > Need I say more? What if you didn't install the auto update bullshiz? ;) 2:00pm up 5 days, 18:29, 2 users, load average: 1.38, 1.21, 1.11 Hmmm, I haven't played counterstrike in too long... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 11 14:04:15 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> <20001011110732.A4673@sherohman.org> <20001011111033.E31643@ravendusk.org> <20001011113535.D4673@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <39E4B9AF.A04D985E@tcfreenet.org> > Not quite... My impresstion is that such a deal would, effectively, mean > getting rid of (or at least de-emphasizing) AIX and replacing it with RH. > The rumors I was referring to would be more along the lines of AIX being kept > at center stage, but made more linux-like. What about making Linux more AIX like? *ahem* IBM's apparently working on kernel debugging features for Linux, among other things... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Oct 11 14:04:41 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <20001011113535.D4673@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <001201c033b6$1c4dd060$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > Not quite... My impresstion is that such a deal would, effectively, mean > getting rid of (or at least de-emphasizing) AIX and replacing it with RH. > The rumors I was referring to would be more along the lines of > AIX being kept > at center stage, but made more linux-like. Quoting Irving Wladawsky-Berger, "The man in charge of IBM's Linux efforts" in Linux Magazine: "[Linux] is better than almost any operating system for environments that are highly dedicated," he says, "But for it to handle a very dynamic transaction database environment...that's where you need a lot of kernel work...so I can see a world where Linux becomes the main operating system on IA-64, except for those environments that have these very dynamic characteristics, and in those cases, you would then use AIX." I read this yesterday and thought it was relevant to this thread. The rest of the interview is on the web at http://www.linux-mag.com/online/iv_irvingwb_01.html if your interested. Jon Erickson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Wed Oct 11 14:29:31 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22502] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> <20001011132425.K19761@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E4BF9B.802F7CA2@uswest.net> Bob, Any reason you dont educate your employees how to use Linux as a desktop? I can see me not running Linux all the time because I play games in Windows. Is it the fact that you dont see it ready yet? If you need a good, fast, GUI for Linux try out KDE 2.0 (release is October 23). I'm using Linux 100% on my laptop (this computer) and its a P133 /w 64megs ram, handles it great (even with KDE 2.0 running). Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Charles Leyda (cleyda@yahoo.com): > > I just recent added my name to the mail list for this > > group. I am an one man shop Unix User of 20 years in a > > small Job Shop employing 100 people using NCR Computer > > with digi boards and 40 wyse terminal and 14 printers > > and 9 pc. > > I have been seriously look at Linux to replace it. I > > had hope to obtain info from this group to aid in the > > conversion. This appears to be a group of fun people > > that like to eat and drink at their meetings. Is there > > anybody in this group that is seriosly thinking of > > using Linux to replace Unix ??? > > Thinking? Been there and done that. > > Real Time was a 100% solaris shop, we are now 99% Linux shop. Still got 2 > Windoze machines, 1 for the sales guys laptop and another for the Web developer. > But all our core machines are running inte/alpha/sparc linux. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 11 14:31:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? References: Message-ID: <39E4C028.FFAAB53F@tcfreenet.org> > Here's my reasoning. I have a nice AGP video card that for my box and I want > to continue to use it for my display. Someone gave me a PCI TV tuner card > that I'd also like to use. Trouble is it only has 2MB video RAM, so I don't > want to use it as my primary display. I also don't have a second decent > monitor so I figured since I can export displays in XFree86 and all, how about > putting both cards in, running an X display on each, then exporting the window > of the TV turner program to my main display, on the nice AGP card, and I can > have the best of both worlds. Will this work? I haven't tried it, but I'd > like some data on this before I take down my machine for it. URLs are good as > well, I haven't done much of a search on this yet. What brand/model tuner card is it? Is it even stupported by Linux? Its unlikely it can transfer to another card. Slap a cheap monitor on it, or invest in a bt848 based tuner, which is designed to display to any card... Here's my own multihead setup, with a Hauppage capture card: http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/screen2.jpg And what I have to do to keep all the cards cool: http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/cooling.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 11 14:33:03 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards References: <39E34610.BA822D99@mn.uswest.net> <00d101c032e8$a9a24780$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> <39E3701D.203A1F4B@mn.uswest.net> <20001010151105.A30316@yahoo.com> <20001010150140.A9718@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E4C06F.A04E943F@tcfreenet.org> > Win98 sometimes makes you reinstall drivers when you change your IP address. > ;> (I think it's just a nag feature, to make sure you have the original > media or something. there's no other good explanation for it). An attempt to prevent trojans was my guess, but who knows... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 11 14:43:57 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again References: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39E4B93C.CB1F2BDE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <000601c033bb$99d38110$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Nice if you know this BEFORE you deploy. That is what client testing is for - but you should be able to rely on the Redhat name for a certain level of reliability - and apparently the name is not worth very much right now. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Here is the lowdown from slashdot. It appears that the uptime of an > > out-of-the-box RedHat 7 machine can be no more than 3 weeks without the > > subsequently released fix. > > > > Herz writes: "I got this email today from Red Hat. RH7 will crash out of the > > box in 3 weeks! The new Update Agent provided with Red Hat Linux 7.0 > > contains a daemon, rhnsd, which periodically polls Red Hat Network for > > updates. This daemon leaks file descriptors. On a default installation, all > > available file descriptors will be used by rhnsd in approximately three > > weeks, making the system unusable." The Red Hat folks have also provided a > > fix, though -- updated packages for those who want to use their update > > network, and the two-line method of disabling per machine for those who > > don't. After all, everyone wants uptime > 3 weeks, eh? And you don't need to > > wait for a "service pack," either. > > > > Need I say more? > > What if you didn't install the auto update bullshiz? ;) > > 2:00pm up 5 days, 18:29, 2 users, load average: 1.38, 1.21, 1.11 > > Hmmm, I haven't played counterstrike in too long... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 11 14:50:59 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22510] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again In-Reply-To: <000601c033bb$99d38110$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:43:57PM -0500 References: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39E4B93C.CB1F2BDE@tcfreenet.org> <000601c033bb$99d38110$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Nice if you know this BEFORE you deploy. That is what client testing is > for - but you should be able to rely on the Redhat name for a certain level > of reliability - and apparently the name is not worth very much right now. What I don't get is why everyone is so ticked off. First, 6.2 is rock solid. So, unless you want bleeding edge. Stay on 6.2. Second, that the open source mantra of release early, release often. Learn it. LIVE IT, but respect it. Living by this mantra can have some side effects. My personal opinion is all the heat RedHat is getting is going to cause them to have very long (ala 2.4 kernel) release cycles. I'd rather have a rapid release cycle, followed by a flurry of bug fixes then a stagnate distribution. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 11 15:07:48 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22510] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again In-Reply-To: <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:50:59PM -0500 References: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39E4B93C.CB1F2BDE@tcfreenet.org> <000601c033bb$99d38110$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001011150748.A5010@sherohman.org> On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:50:59PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'd rather have a rapid release cycle, followed by a flurry of bug fixes then a > stagnate distribution. I agree, but there needs to be some explicit statement of what's a rapid release and what's been tested and fixed. Something along the lines of Debian's stable/unstable designations. Then there's the question of how broadly 'release early, release often' applies. Should the early and potentially buggy releases be pushed out to the masses or just made available for download by those who know enough to watch freshmeat? While I can't answer that from a philosophical standpoint, I have to say that, on a practical level, the latter is preferable. The people who just install what their distro gives them and don't know (or care) to go out and get the latest leading-edge stuff off the web or an ftp site are also the people who are most likely to complain (and will complain the loudest) about anything that doesn't work. Also, what happens to 6.x now? Will there ever be a Red Hat 6.3 or will they now be supporting only the 7.x series? If 6.x is left for dead, how is that any different than MS forcing everyone to upgrade to their latest bugware by dropping support for the previous version? (Note the _if_. I am not saying that RH is doing that. I am asking; I honestly don't know the answer. I don't follow RH and I'm not trying to start a distro holy war.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Oct 11 15:09:39 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22424] [OT] ISPs References: <39E4A8A9.AF493CC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39E4C903.BBD20DB1@ltiflex.com> Good lord that did not go to the list...sigh...stupid stupid stupid...oh well, we all make mistakes. Some are just more consistent than others. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 11 15:16:58 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22510] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again References: <00d201c033aa$b2fd1040$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <39E4B93C.CB1F2BDE@tcfreenet.org> <000601c033bb$99d38110$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000601c033c0$36888d30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> > First, 6.2 is rock solid. So, unless you want bleeding edge. Stay on 6.2. > > Second, that the open source mantra of release early, release often. Learn it. > LIVE IT, but respect it. Living by this mantra can have some side effects. > > My personal opinion is all the heat RedHat is getting is going to cause them to > have very long (ala 2.4 kernel) release cycles. > > I'd rather have a rapid release cycle, followed by a flurry of bug fixes then a > stagnate distribution. I totally agree. However, the file descriptor bug is an example of pushing it "too" quick. The proper audits would easily have caught that one. If I am allowed to infer, I am betting that have a terrible QA team, and instead they have relied upon their developers unit testing (which is probably exceptionally good). Debian is a great example of the opposite extreme. They release so pitifully slow that most people are running "unstable". I think that Redhat simply should have used "blessed" software unless they develop it themselves (I am excluding the fact that they purchased Cygnus). Using gcc-2.96, which is never to be released and not binary compatible, is not something they should have done. Put an RPM on rawhide for that. They undermine any indication of quality and instead give the impression of open arteries. If I wanted the bleeding edge, I would probably compile it myself on a known stable system. What it comes down too is that they wanted to release something, but there was not really anything new to release. It is a selling point to be able to say they have bumped up a version number on this package or that. And the anti-Redhat ramble goes on ... Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 11 15:21:39 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22510] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again In-Reply-To: <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com> Message-ID: exactly.. I also wonder what everyone is complaining about.. RH7 hasn't even hit my desk on plastic copies, and people are tearing it to shreds.. all my user systems are running something between rh 6 and 6.2, and it will be december before i have time to eval 7.0 to the point that I want to upgrade.. which is when it will become much more stable. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Nice if you know this BEFORE you deploy. That is what client testing is > > for - but you should be able to rely on the Redhat name for a certain level > > of reliability - and apparently the name is not worth very much right now. > > What I don't get is why everyone is so ticked off. > > First, 6.2 is rock solid. So, unless you want bleeding edge. Stay on 6.2. > > Second, that the open source mantra of release early, release often. Learn it. > LIVE IT, but respect it. Living by this mantra can have some side effects. > > My personal opinion is all the heat RedHat is getting is going to cause them to > have very long (ala 2.4 kernel) release cycles. > > I'd rather have a rapid release cycle, followed by a flurry of bug fixes then a > stagnate distribution. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 11 15:30:10 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:31:52 -0500" References: <39E4C028.FFAAB53F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Callum Lerwick writes: > What brand/model tuner card is it? Is it even stupported by Linux? Its > unlikely it can transfer to another card. Slap a cheap monitor on it, or > invest in a bt848 based tuner, which is designed to display to any > card... It's a miroVideo 20TD Live card. I've done some looking and it appears to be supported, but no definitive answers yet. Figured that xawtv should be able to export it's window, since it's just another X application. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Oct 11 16:02:41 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again In-Reply-To: <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001f01c033c6$985df710$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > What I don't get is why everyone is so ticked off. > > First, 6.2 is rock solid. So, unless you want bleeding edge. Stay on 6.2. > > Second, that the open source mantra of release early, release often. Learn it. > LIVE IT, but respect it. Living by this mantra can have some side effects. > Amen. I'd actually like to see RedHat formalize what seems to be their default release pattern -- x.0: bleeding-edge stuff that's not recommended for production but is fine for RH users who just want the latest version of XFree86 and don't mind being part of the Open Source community's worldwide QA team and loading a ton o' patches besides... x.1: about as stable as any ordinary Windows release. Any bugs will probably be obscure, affecting mostly folks with a particular combination of hardware or whatever. x.2: production quality. So long as folks continue to be able to download or purchase x.2 versions until the next iteration comes out, this is a cycle I can live with, and preferable (I think) to running a trickle of incremental upgrades on an almost daily basis. Admittedly, though, this is a pretty major bug... Although perhaps there's something to be said for the fact that a runaway program on RH7.0 takes *three weeks* to run out of file descriptors... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 11 17:46:44 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22499] RH7 is proven unworthy yet again In-Reply-To: <20001011145059.Y19761@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > What I don't get is why everyone is so ticked off. I have to agree. It's starting to annoy me that everyone's picking the hell out of RedHat. To the point of gloating. So Red Hat's update agent might hang or crash your box. You can TURN IT OFF, and, if you're one of the very, very few who actually USE the auto update feature, rerun it when the fix comes out. Red Hat is, indeed, the Microsoft of the Linux world - because it is getting ripped to shreads for anything they do. I wish people would give them a rest. This is NOT Microsoft - you don't HAVE to use Red Hat. I have got to say this, though. UNIX, I don't care which UNIX, be it SunOS, Solaris, IRIX, minix, Ultrix, and, yes, Linux of ANY distribution. They have, and always will, have buggy releases. Errors. Crashes. Hangs. Even if they do years of bug testing. it will still happen. That's what patches are for, and that's what SysAdmins have to know how to WORK AROUND. I'm sorry, I hate to lash out this way, but if having one bad daemon on a distribution makes it unusable for you, maybe you shouldn't be using UNIX. Or a computer. Maybe try a typewriter. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 11 18:07:46 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22502] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22484] The mission 0f the Mn Linux group In-Reply-To: <39E4BF9B.802F7CA2@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:29:31PM -0500 References: <20001011132016.12740.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> <20001011132425.K19761@real-time.com> <39E4BF9B.802F7CA2@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001011180746.D18514@real-time.com> > Bob, > Any reason you dont educate your employees how to use Linux as a desktop? because we generally know how to do it already. ;> perhaps you misunderstood. there are 2 employees who use Windows on their desktop; I think the reasons for this are primarialy personal choice, and for some software they need (Diablo 2). Those of us who are Linux fiends (which is to say, everyone else) are running it on our desktops; with whatever environment/window manager we prefer. Everything from my minimalist fvwm2, to Bob's tricked-out Sawmill/Gnome rig. >I can > see me not running Linux all the time because I play games in Windows. Is it the > fact that you dont see it ready yet? If you need a good, fast, GUI for Linux try > out KDE 2.0 (release is October 23). I'm using Linux 100% on my laptop (this > computer) and its a P133 /w 64megs ram, handles it great (even with KDE 2.0 > running). it's been ready for a very long time, for the work we do here, since we use term windows and web browsers for nearly everything. VMWare was the last thing needed, so we can still use a few Windows bookkeeping apps, without the hassle of a second computer or rebooting. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 21:15:02 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux Message-ID: I have been thinking about adding some more horsepower to my linux box. Upgrade from a k6-2 400 to a whopping 900Mhz Athon slot A.... Has there been problems running these motherboards and CPUs with Linux? It's kinda funny, I hardly use my windows box anymore. Maybe I should change it over to linux.... Chris Opp Building Block Computers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 11 21:18:51 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: nope.. Athlon's work great in linux Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > I have been thinking about adding some more horsepower to my linux box. > Upgrade from a k6-2 400 to a whopping 900Mhz Athon slot A.... Has there been > problems running these motherboards and CPUs with Linux? It's kinda funny, I > hardly use my windows box anymore. Maybe I should change it over to > linux.... > > > Chris Opp > Building Block Computers > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 11 21:25:14 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > nope.. Athlon's work great in linux Not a Linux issue, but what about potential power supply problems. It's my understanding that Athlons are more fussy about power supplies and RAM than the Pentiums. I would make sure that the power supply would be adequate before I put in a new motherboard/Athlon combo. That said, I'd take an Athlon over a Pentium III any day. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 11 21:46:31 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i'll agree to that one.. a school i know bought a bunch of duron systems.. and they bought a cheaper case than I told them too, and they've blown up 2 powersupplies so far Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > nope.. Athlon's work great in linux > > Not a Linux issue, but what about potential power supply problems. It's > my understanding that Athlons are more fussy about power supplies and RAM > than the Pentiums. I would make sure that the power supply would be adequate > before I put in a new motherboard/Athlon combo. That said, I'd take an > Athlon over a Pentium III any day. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 11 21:54:48 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux References: Message-ID: <000b01c033f7$c9135540$0100a8c0@cascade> No problems, except since you need to buy a new mainboard anyway, you should upgrade to a Socket A instead of a Slot A. The CPU will be a little cheaper and the board has a better upgrade path. Socket A goes beyond the 1 Gig level and Slot A is limited to 1 Gig. I just upgraded my board to the ABIT KA7-100 (Slot A) because I intended to keep using my old Athlon 600, which was slot A. I have been using it with Linux and FreeBSD for over a year without a problem. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Opp" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux > > > I have been thinking about adding some more horsepower to my linux box. > Upgrade from a k6-2 400 to a whopping 900Mhz Athon slot A.... Has there been > problems running these motherboards and CPUs with Linux? It's kinda funny, I > hardly use my windows box anymore. Maybe I should change it over to > linux.... > > > Chris Opp > Building Block Computers > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Wed Oct 11 22:00:55 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22524] jdk1.2.2 RPM's fer Red Hat 6.2 Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get the RPM for jdk1.2.2? All the links I have found are obsolete. THX --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Oct 11 22:09:54 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22525] XF86Config Message-ID: Hey all, I just picked up a new 21" monitor. The 15" was killing my eyes at 1024x768, and I wanted more desktop real-estate. A few weeks ago I tried upgrading to XFree 4. It didn't work well, and I believe it was because they didn't have accelerated drivers for my card (ATI Mach64 3D Rage Pro Blinky-Whoop-de-Shoot-integrated-web-server-makes-breakfast-or-lunch thingy). Anyways, so I was trying to get X to support my new monitor. It handles 30-107 horiz and 50-160 vert, up to 1800x1600. I tried running XF86Setup, but it would get into the X cross-hatch screen and wouldn't load the config program (whether I chose to use the existing config or not had no effect). Then I tried using xf86config, which seems to be generating a config that X can't read. I figured it had something to do with my attempted upgrade to X4. After the failed upgrade I copied the original slack packages back over and copied my original XF86Config back. So basically my question is, how do I configure X now? I want 1280x1024, maybe 1600x1200 (depends on how tiny that gets...). Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 11 22:22:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? References: <39E4C028.FFAAB53F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39E52E88.EA498F3C@tcfreenet.org> > It's a miroVideo 20TD Live card. I've done some looking and it appears to be > supported, but no definitive answers yet. Figured that xawtv should be able > to export it's window, since it's just another X application. Ah, but its not a normal program. At least for the bt848 it sets up the capture card to write to the video card's framebuffer. Its then all handled with bus mastered PCI DMA. Which means the card has to support it. Going through the CPU would eat a ton of cycles and most likely won't be able to keep up to 30fps. How the miro does it is a good question... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 11 22:49:40 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem Message-ID: <20001012034940.15167.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Hi Charlie. There most certainly is a text based install process. Look at the CD-ROM jacket and see if there is a reference to "Installation with menu-driven YaST1". This is the older install application. (Its also still the primary administration/configuration tool.) I'm running SuSE 7 Pro and its on the sleeve for CD-ROM #2. (If you're running the Personnal Edition I've not seen that so I'm not sure where the notes would be.) I looked in the Quick Install Guide and didn't see a reference to YaST1. FWIW I had to use the boot floppy to get started (Using a BIOS manager on an XL harddrive that doesn't allow boot from CD)and I had a choice for Text or Graphical installer. You could always do it that way. I'm planning to be at the Installfest on Saturday so if you can be there I'd be glad to help. Good Luck. Jack On Tue, 10 October 2000, Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > > I decided to try SuSE 7.0 but have run into a little hang up. > > The install gets so far as 'initializing /home' and then there is a flash > (looks like it's starting an X server) and it hangs. > > I've got a laptop with a Trident Cyber video chipset. It's always been a > little finicky with X and I think that's the problem. > > Is there a text install or maybe some way to pass parameters to the X > server so it doesn't choke? > > Thanks, > Charlie > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 11 22:54:53 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22525] XF86Config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > So basically my question is, how do I configure X now? I want 1280x1024, > maybe 1600x1200 (depends on how tiny that gets...). Well, uh, did you get X fully downgraded back to 3.*? If so, does xf86config still not work? On another note, there's really no reason for X4.0+ not to work, and definetly none for it to have LESS support for your card than 3.3.6. I would give it another try. Since xf86config won't really generate really hires configs, try using a program like kvidiogen which will generate modelines you can stick in XF86Config. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 22:59:17 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux Message-ID: I guess then that one of the only differences other than the obvious slot to socket configuration is that the athlons have more L2 cache than the durons. Slashdot has an article about AMD coming out with a dual slot A motherboard using the new AMD-760MP chipset. So I wonder then are the Althons going to be reserved for performance workstations and possibily servers, and durons for PCs? Not that it really matters, but how do the Durons benchmark against the Athlons? Chris >From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:54:48 -0500 > >No problems, except since you need to buy a new mainboard anyway, you >should >upgrade to a Socket A instead of a Slot A. The CPU will be a little >cheaper >and the board has a better upgrade path. Socket A goes beyond the 1 Gig >level and Slot A is limited to 1 Gig. I just upgraded my board to the ABIT >KA7-100 (Slot A) because I intended to keep using my old Athlon 600, which >was slot A. I have been using it with Linux and FreeBSD for over a year >without a problem. > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Opp" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:15 PM >Subject: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux > > > > > > > > I have been thinking about adding some more horsepower to my linux box. > > Upgrade from a k6-2 400 to a whopping 900Mhz Athon slot A.... Has there >been > > problems running these motherboards and CPUs with Linux? It's kinda >funny, >I > > hardly use my windows box anymore. Maybe I should change it over to > > linux.... > > > > > > Chris Opp > > Building Block Computers > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 11 23:02:52 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22524] jdk1.2.2 RPM's fer Red Hat 6.2 In-Reply-To: Jamie Ostrowski's message of "Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:00:55 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Will JDK 1.3 do? http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download-linux.html Either way it's on Sun's website under products & APIs. Jamie Ostrowski writes: > Does anyone know where I can get the RPM for jdk1.2.2? All the links I > have found are obsolete. THX > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Thu Oct 12 00:02:09 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22525] XF86Config References: Message-ID: <39E545D0.C3E5D021@talkware.net> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > So basically my question is, how do I configure X now? I want 1280x1024, > > maybe 1600x1200 (depends on how tiny that gets...). > > Well, uh, did you get X fully downgraded back to 3.*? If so, does > xf86config still not work? > > On another note, there's really no reason for X4.0+ not to work, and > definetly none for it to have LESS support for your card than 3.3.6. I > would give it another try. > > Since xf86config won't really generate really hires configs, try using a > program like kvidiogen which will generate modelines you can stick in > XF86Config. I've got X4.01 running on my work machine with a Mach64-based Rage Pro. Sadly, it appears that the driver for that card is *weak*, to say the least. Not only will it not do OpenGL acceleration properly (Q3A demo runs at ~1.5seconds/frame), but when I set my default resolution to 1600x1200, I get a 'resolution not supported by driver' crash-error. No good. -- <------------------------Chris H. Bidler, Internet Helper Monkey-------------------------> The drive banged 3-4 times the head against its endrun, maybe to BE SURE it was there ... "*Beep TAka TAka TAka TAka -whirr- ..." -- simulated persona = "The Cube", node #251, of http://www.forum2000.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 12 00:21:06 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22525] XF86Config References: Message-ID: <39E54A42.B562DC3D@tcfreenet.org> > So basically my question is, how do I configure X now? I want 1280x1024, > maybe 1600x1200 (depends on how tiny that gets...). XFree86 -configure? Never tried it myself, not sure how it works... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 01:57:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: <20001012015749.G32750@real-time.com> What are some of the better (best?) GUI mail clients for linux these days? I was an elm, now mutt fan, so I have not done much with the GUI mail clients. Any recommendations? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 01:59:31 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22534] New ISOs for RH7? Message-ID: <20001012015931.H32750@real-time.com> Anyone see/hear why there are new ISOs for RH? releases/guinness/SRPMS/iso/7.0-respin-SRPMS.iso What is respin? Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 12 02:40:12 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22534] New ISOs for RH7? In-Reply-To: <20001012015931.H32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone see/hear why there are new ISOs for RH? > > releases/guinness/SRPMS/iso/7.0-respin-SRPMS.iso > > What is respin? Can you loopback-mount it and look for a readme? Is the ISO of a different size? etc. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 02:45:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22536] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22534] New ISOs for RH7? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:40:12AM -0500 References: <20001012015931.H32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001012024518.K32750@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Anyone see/hear why there are new ISOs for RH? > > > > releases/guinness/SRPMS/iso/7.0-respin-SRPMS.iso > > > > What is respin? > > Can you loopback-mount it and look for a readme? Is the ISO of a different > size? etc. There is a discussion on the official redhat mirror mailing list now. Seems to me like the admin is dodging the questions asked by us (the official mirrors). Umm, no I cannot mount it yet, it's still transfering. If you want to see the discussion: http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/redhat-mirror/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 12 04:11:46 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22536] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22534] New ISOs for RH7? References: <20001012015931.H32750@real-time.com> <20001012024518.K32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E58052.BAA8C0D5@tcfreenet.org> > There is a discussion on the official redhat mirror mailing list now. Seems to > me like the admin is dodging the questions asked by us (the official mirrors). > > Umm, no I cannot mount it yet, it's still transfering. Should still be able to mount it, the directory info comes first. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From morgul at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 04:30:54 2000 From: morgul at real-time.com (Morgul Nazgul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <20001012015749.G32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: If you like KDE, I think kmail is very good. In fact, I think it is one of the best applications for KDE...and KDE2 RC2 just came out. Aterm seems to support some type of a menu that performs keystrokes when you click on them. Other xterm clones might do that too, I'm not sure. Ross On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > What are some of the better (best?) GUI mail clients for linux these days? > > I was an elm, now mutt fan, so I have not done much with the GUI mail clients. > > Any recommendations? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From morgul at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 05:14:20 2000 From: morgul at real-time.com (Morgul Nazgul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22525] XF86Config In-Reply-To: <39E545D0.C3E5D021@talkware.net> Message-ID: I've had a lot of problems getting Xfree 4.0.1 running with my voodoo3. I followed the instructions for the minimal install, which I originally thought was my mistake. After I had 3.3.6 gone and 4.0.1 installed I tried to configure it automatically with 'xf86cfg' which I think just runs 'XFree86 -configure'. The screen flickered and up came the GUI config. Shortly after that, it quit and returned to just the standard background. I killed X and looked back at the log and it couldn't find my mouse (which is a standard 3-button serial and detected it fine under 3.3.6). I edited the file it generated and when I re-ran X, it worked fine. However it would only go in 640x480x8. Then I tried 'xf86config' because I've never had a problem with that in the past. Then I found out there isn't an entry for the voodoo3. So after a few minutes of changing things I finally got it to load up in 1280x1024x24. But the DRI module wasn't loading. Reading README.DRI showed me how to load it and enable it for all users. Besides that, I found the document fairly worthless. Also, it mentions there should be kernel modules, a 'glxinfo' app, and a 'gears' app. I checked the FILES file for them but they weren't anywhere in the release. On dri.sourceforge.net I found glxinfo and gears. After getting that and running glxinfo, I noticed that it was only using the software renderer (indirect). Snooping around in the CVS I found the kernel modules in: xc/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/linux/drm/kernel/ I retrieved that directory and ran make. It generated tdfx.o which I copied to the misc module directory. Then re-ran X and glxinfo. This time it fully detected my voodoo3. So after a week I got XFree 4.0.1 fully working. I hope I just missed a lot of documentation that made this easier, because it shouldn't be that difficult to setup. However, since this isn't their current version, it doesn't have to completely work. Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Oct 12 07:11:33 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux References: Message-ID: <39E5AA75.62DDA062@structural-wood.com> The Durons don't do all that badly, but they are slightly slower. There is a very complete benchmarking report on Tom's Hardware that compares the Duron, Athlon, and TBird. After reading it and seeing the minimal price difference between families I went with the T-Bird (800Mhz Athlon for $190). Kent Chris Opp wrote: > > I guess then that one of the only differences other than the obvious slot to > socket configuration is that the athlons have more L2 cache than the durons. > Slashdot has an article about AMD coming out with a dual slot A motherboard > using the new AMD-760MP chipset. So I wonder then are the Althons going to > be reserved for performance workstations and possibily servers, and durons > for PCs? Not that it really matters, but how do the Durons benchmark against > the Athlons? > > Chris > > >From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >To: > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux > >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:54:48 -0500 > > > >No problems, except since you need to buy a new mainboard anyway, you > >should > >upgrade to a Socket A instead of a Slot A. The CPU will be a little > >cheaper > >and the board has a better upgrade path. Socket A goes beyond the 1 Gig > >level and Slot A is limited to 1 Gig. I just upgraded my board to the ABIT > >KA7-100 (Slot A) because I intended to keep using my old Athlon 600, which > >was slot A. I have been using it with Linux and FreeBSD for over a year > >without a problem. > > > >Tom Veldhouse > >veldy@veldy.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Opp" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:15 PM > >Subject: [TCLUG:22519] Athlon and Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking about adding some more horsepower to my linux box. > > > Upgrade from a k6-2 400 to a whopping 900Mhz Athon slot A.... Has there > >been > > > problems running these motherboards and CPUs with Linux? It's kinda > >funny, > >I > > > hardly use my windows box anymore. Maybe I should change it over to > > > linux.... > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > Building Block Computers > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Oct 12 07:17:28 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem In-Reply-To: <20001012034940.15167.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: > There most certainly is a text based install process. Look at the CD-ROM > jacket and see if there is a reference to "Installation with menu-driven > YaST1". This is the older install application. (Its also still the > primary administration/configuration tool.) I'm running SuSE 7 Pro and > its on the sleeve for CD-ROM #2. (If you're running the Personnal > Edition I've not seen that so I'm not sure where the notes would be.) I worked around it by using an external monitor... it picked out a nice refresh rate (it even worked on the LCD) and all went well. I not familiar with the SuSE way of doing things but what I have is the "trial version" from their FTP. I guess they don't release "real" versions for download anymore? > I'm planning to be at the Installfest on Saturday so if you can be there I'd > be glad to help. That's a bit of a drive from Ohio. ;) I joined the list during the SGI fiasco and stayed on cause it has to be one of the better LUGs I've seen. Thanks, Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 07:58:06 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22525] XF86Config In-Reply-To: <39E54A42.B562DC3D@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:21:06AM -0500 References: <39E54A42.B562DC3D@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001012075806.J20874@real-time.com> > XFree86 -configure? Never tried it myself, not sure how it works... it's XFree86's own built-in autoconfigurator. it'll generate a very minimal, but functional XF86Config file. man X run XFree86 -configure grab the resulting XF86Config file, and put it in the appropriate place man XF86Config, and figure out how to hack up the file by hand to make it do what you want. it's somewhat easier to read a 4.x config file than a 3.x. alternatively, wait a while for the config tools to catch up with X development; or for the fancy X4 GUI config tool to actually *do something* useful. anyone remember XFree86 2? how bad was it? how bad was the upgrade to X3? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 08:17:04 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22469] 2 video cards 1 monitor? In-Reply-To: <39E3EBA1.6C03CA0E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > But then I can only watch TV or work on code, I want to do both at the same > > time. Nice thought though. > > If you want to do that, I'd just suggest getting a cheapo monitor for > the TV card. All but the worst monitors are better than TVs anyway... Sorry if I'm jumping in late, but to run multiple inputs to the same monitor (assuming it's analog) is much more complex than just plugging in. You have to make sure that there is synchronization. In T.V. we used to call this gen lock -- you can't mix video signals willy-nilly -- they have to have synchronized blanking intervals (i.e., go back to the top left at the same time.) Unless you're handy enough at surplus electronics that you'd have known the answer anyway, you'll end up spending as much on things to make it work as if you'd just bought a new cheap monitor. I have seen some TV cards that let you open a window with the TV in it though -- isn't that close to what you want? I believe that's more of a software / firmware soln. HTH, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From John.Fraser at mhdi.org Thu Oct 12 08:40:34 2000 From: John.Fraser at mhdi.org (John Fraser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22544] Video card recommendations needed Message-ID: <39E5BF52.762F0073@MHDI.org> Help! I bought a couple systems from General Nanosystems, and found that the SIS video cards are not fully supported by RedHat. Can anyone give me very specific video card models that are fast, but reasonably priced that they know General Nanosystems sells so I can ask specifically for something that WILL work? They don't do much linux I'm afraid.. Please reply to me directly if possible since I get the digest only once/day. Thanks, John Fraser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Oct 12 08:45:14 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22545] Micro Center References: Message-ID: <39E5C06A.7079DC54@structural-wood.com> Last night I made the pilgrimage to Micro Center to see what it was, and surprise, surprise - they had a pretty good selection of linux games! I actually think they had all of the linux games that are available. I bought one mostly to support the cause - I love games but never seem to get the time to play them. They also had a couple of linux based firewalls, half a dozen different distributions (isn't it funny that the bulk of commercial linux products are simply the OS...), and codewarrior. Best of all they had a stuffed Tux - I think I'll go back with my son and make him carry it to the checkout so I don't feel embarrassed buying a stuffed toy. Pricing seemed to be slightly less than MSR prices - about the same as a lot of on-line stores. The secret shopper, Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 08:59:06 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: <39E5C3AA.8A17F493@tc.umn.edu> There's Mahogany: http://www.wxwindows.org/Mahogany/ Haven't tried it yet myself though. They're eventually supposed to release a Win32 version as well... Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 12 08:48:55 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: Message-ID: <39E5C147.F86497F5@ltiflex.com> There aren't any. Ant lest no good ones that do IMAP. I just use netscape mail, it supports imap ssl and ldap and most of the other features I want in a mail client. GnuPG would be nice though. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Oct 12 08:56:20 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22544] Video card recommendations needed References: <39E5BF52.762F0073@MHDI.org> Message-ID: <39E5C304.DDF750EC@innominatus.com> We use just about all SiS video cards at work, both in workstations and in our (not yet released) internet appliance, and we run Red Hat. What SiS did you get? John Fraser wrote: > Help! > > I bought a couple systems from General Nanosystems, and found that the SIS video cards are not fully supported by RedHat. Can anyone give me very specific video card models that are fast, but reasonably priced that they know General Nanosystems sells so I can ask specifically for something that WILL work? They don't do much linux I'm afraid.. > > Please reply to me directly if possible since I get the digest only once/day. > > Thanks, John Fraser > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 09:32:24 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22545] Micro Center In-Reply-To: <39E5C06A.7079DC54@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:45:14AM -0500 References: <39E5C06A.7079DC54@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001012093224.F18514@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:45:14AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Last night I made the pilgrimage to Micro Center to see what > it was, and surprise, surprise - they had a pretty good > selection of linux games! I actually think they had all > of the linux games that are available. Nate C. & I went there yesterday, on scouting expedition. I poked at a vaio 505 for quite a while, looked at the 22" Mac flat-screen, and was surprised to see FreeBSD 4.1, bundled with Applixware. ($99). not a bad place, as computer stores go. the staff at least gave the impression of being clueful; apparently being smart enough to leave Nate & I alone when we started talking hardcore-linux-geek. ;> (We were looking at graphics tablets, and I think I saw a salesdroid start to pay attention to us. When we started talking about kernels and USB support, he just melted back into the scenery.) ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 09:42:21 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22545] Micro Center In-Reply-To: <20001012093224.F18514@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:32:24AM -0500 References: <39E5C06A.7079DC54@structural-wood.com> <20001012093224.F18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001012094221.B5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Nate C. & I went there yesterday, on scouting expedition. I poked at a vaio > 505 for quite a while, looked at the 22" Mac flat-screen, and was surprised Eeenteresting... Do they sell Apple's there? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Hey Guedo! It's all so clear to me now. I am the keeper of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. Get it?" - Ren Hoek in "In the Army" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 09:44:32 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <39E5C3AA.8A17F493@tc.umn.edu>; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:59:06AM -0500 References: <39E5C3AA.8A17F493@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001012094432.G18514@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:59:06AM -0500, Joel Schneider wrote: > There's Mahogany: > > http://www.wxwindows.org/Mahogany/ > > Haven't tried it yet myself though. They're eventually supposed to > release a Win32 version as well... I tried it a couple of times, a few months ago. it looks like it has potential, but right now it's buggy crap. I looked for a GUI mail client as well; but couldn't find any that were really functional. I think there's one called Postoffice, being developed by some guy in the Netherlands for his company; but I lost the link to it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 10:04:54 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22545] Micro Center In-Reply-To: <20001012094221.B5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:42:21AM -0500 References: <39E5C06A.7079DC54@structural-wood.com> <20001012093224.F18514@real-time.com> <20001012094221.B5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001012100454.J18514@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:42:21AM -0500, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Nate C. & I went there yesterday, on scouting expedition. I poked at a vaio > > 505 for quite a while, looked at the 22" Mac flat-screen, and was surprised > > Eeenteresting... Do they sell Apple's there? yaha. got a whole room of them. the 22" was off in a completely different part of the store for some reason, tho. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Oct 12 10:15:39 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22544] Video card recommendations needed In-Reply-To: <39E5BF52.762F0073@MHDI.org>; from John.Fraser@mhdi.org on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:40:34AM -0500 References: <39E5BF52.762F0073@MHDI.org> Message-ID: <20001012101539.B21560@ringworld.org> * John Fraser [001012 08:42]: > Help! > > I bought a couple systems from General Nanosystems, and found that the SIS video cards are not fully supported by RedHat. Can anyone give me very specific video card models that are fast, but reasonably priced that they know General Nanosystems sells so I can ask specifically for something that WILL work? They don't do much linux I'm afraid.. Im surprised about this, SiS has put out drivers for all their stuff AFAIK. Even the onboard FastEthernet card was supported! -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ant lest no good ones that do IMAP. I just use netscape mail, it supports imap ssl and ldap and most of the other features I want in a mail client. GnuPG would be nice though. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 12 11:18:15 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22544] Video card recommendations needed References: <39E5BF52.762F0073@MHDI.org> <20001012101539.B21560@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <39E5E447.F68A8D31@ltiflex.com> The SiS lineup looks something like this: SiS 300 SiS 3D Pro AGP SiS 530 SiS 540 SiS 5597 SiS 5598 SiS 620 SiS 630 SiS 6326 SiS SG86C201 SiS SG86C205 SiS SG86C215 SiS SG86C225 All the above cards are supported in XFree86 3.3.6. 4.0.1 may not support all of them, or maybe it supports more. I don't know. What do you mean "not fully supported?" You're 3D Pro AGP doesn't have 3D support under Linux? Well, the only cards that do have 3D acceleration are nVidia (TNT2, geForce...) 3DfX (all the vodoo line to different degrees) and Matrox (G200 and G400). Beyond that 3D support is scarce. If your problem is getting X to start and your card is in the above list, you're probally pusing your monitor out of range. Adjust the timings according to the manual for optimal performence. (I couldn't push my monitor past 1152x864 until I specified the horizontal and vertical sync rates. Now I can push it up to 1600x1200, but that gets really hard to read on an aging 17" display.) For business enviorments I'd go with a G200. 3D on the card isn't bad, but it doesn't compare with a TNT2, G400, or a geForce. I think my G200 did 2D better than my TNT2 though. Too bad G200 OpenGL drivers were so flaky when the TNT2's came out or I could have held out for a geForce. Half Life on LDS is only amusing for a few moments. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 12 11:27:48 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22556] Bob's Re: Re: Re: Thing (was: Re: [TCLUG:22536] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22534] New ISOs for RH7?) In-Reply-To: <20001012024518.K32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob, Each time you reply to a message your mailer adds another "Re: [TCLUG:xxxxx]" to the begining of the Subject. So it gets kinda impossible to see what the subject is without actually reading your messages, at least in Pine. This is a recent thing, just thought you might like to know (: -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 12 11:31:46 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: Message-ID: <39E5E772.D5621165@ltiflex.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Try these: > http://www.muhri.net/pronto/ Written in Perl? Crazy... > http://zamolxe.csis.ul.ie/Magellan/index.php3 (outlook clone, not > completely stable yet, but probably the best) Doesn't look too bad. Haven't tried it. > http://althea.sourceforge.net Avoid avoid avoid. At least until these guys figure out automake, configure, and the like. Their default makefile needs a bit of customization. > http://www.helixcode.com/apps/evolution.php3 (very unstable, but will be > cool) Oh but it's painful. Big bloated outlookish app. Not at all what I need or want. The camel libiary is still far from useful. Couple others you might want to look at are Spruce and Balsa. Spruce has definite posiblities. (I think one of the Evolution [maybe former] developers wrote it. The mail libiary is alot simpler than Evolutions and the client is quite stable and usable. IMAP support leaves a bit to be desired though. Pretty good otherwise. Balsa is ok, but there are definitly better mailers. Balsa uses libmutt. libmutt is on bad crack. Maybe someday I'll learn enough C to write my own client. By that time something that does everything I want will probally be out though. ;) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 12 11:37:41 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <39E5E772.D5621165@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: What about XFMail? I used it for awhile, but it was kind of confusing, it ended up eating my inbox one day. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Try these: > > http://www.muhri.net/pronto/ > Written in Perl? Crazy... > > > http://zamolxe.csis.ul.ie/Magellan/index.php3 (outlook clone, not > > completely stable yet, but probably the best) > > Doesn't look too bad. Haven't tried it. > > > http://althea.sourceforge.net > > Avoid avoid avoid. At least until these guys figure out automake, configure, > and the like. Their default makefile needs a bit of customization. > > > http://www.helixcode.com/apps/evolution.php3 (very unstable, but will be > > cool) > Oh but it's painful. Big bloated outlookish app. Not at all what I need or > want. The camel libiary is still far from useful. > > Couple others you might want to look at are Spruce and Balsa. Spruce has > definite posiblities. (I think one of the Evolution [maybe former] > developers wrote it. The mail libiary is alot simpler than Evolutions and > the client is quite stable and usable. IMAP support leaves a bit to be > desired though. Pretty good otherwise. > > Balsa is ok, but there are definitly better mailers. Balsa uses libmutt. > libmutt is on bad crack. Maybe someday I'll learn enough C to write my own > client. By that time something that does everything I want will probally be > out though. ;) > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 11:41:21 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 11:37:41AM -0500 References: <39E5E772.D5621165@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001012114121.N18514@real-time.com> > What about XFMail? I used it for awhile, but it was kind of confusing, it > ended up eating my inbox one day. I couldn't get that thing to compile when I looked at it. > > Balsa is ok, but there are definitly better mailers. Balsa uses libmutt. > > libmutt is on bad crack. Maybe someday I'll learn enough C to write my own > > client. By that time something that does everything I want will probally be > > out though. ;) it looks like there's been a *lot* of people with that same ambition. one of them even joked that writing one's own mail client was some sort of a rite of passage for programmers. I think the mutt people have it right when they say "all mail clients suck, but this one sucks less." Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 12 11:53:52 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: <0G2B00B44TLJFL@mail1.supervalu.com> Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) Nick -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Thu Oct 12 11:58:31 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <0G2B00B44TLJFL@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) Or in your case Eudora natively under win2k, heathen. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 12 12:06:06 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: <0G2B00BENU6EFL@mail1.supervalu.com> Hmph. Well if Linux had the warm fuzzy goodness of Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, Streamline, Fontographer, Dreamweaver, and IE5, I'd use Linux as my primary no problem. Sadly, it doesn't. ::pout pout:: Nick -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 12:18:33 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <0G2B00B44TLJFL@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 11:53:52AM -0500 References: <0G2B00B44TLJFL@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> > Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) IMHO, Agent (www.forteinc.com) is the best Windows mailer/newsreader. it's what kept me from moving over to Linux for a couple of years. it's one of the most stable Windows programs i've seen; it's *fast* (even when dealing with huge amounts of messages on older boxen); and it's *very* fast to use. (has a lot of the same keybindings as mutt). also has a very good filtering/killfile/sorting capability. the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( (I asked). it supposedly runs very well under WINE; but in my experience it locked up every time I tried to access the network. may be a WINE issue. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Thu Oct 12 12:29:14 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( (I asked). I've bugged them about a Linux/*nix port every six months or so for the past couple of years. They always reply with some statement cooked up by the marketing department. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 12 12:28:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: What I'd really like is a Linux mail client that I can point at our crappy exchange server and have my calendar, memos, rules, and all that other fun stuff work. The only reason I really need to use win2k is for Outlook's scheduling stuff. I forget who this was, but there were two different projects to make a Unix based MS Exchange clone. That would be great news for mail admins who get thrown into a bad Exchange situation. Still leaves the problem of a decent client though. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client > Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) IMHO, Agent (www.forteinc.com) is the best Windows mailer/newsreader. it's what kept me from moving over to Linux for a couple of years. it's one of the most stable Windows programs i've seen; it's *fast* (even when dealing with huge amounts of messages on older boxen); and it's *very* fast to use. (has a lot of the same keybindings as mutt). also has a very good filtering/killfile/sorting capability. the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( (I asked). it supposedly runs very well under WINE; but in my experience it locked up every time I tried to access the network. may be a WINE issue. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 12:35:41 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: ; from pope@ossuary.net on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:29:14PM -0500 References: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001012123541.U18514@real-time.com> > > the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( (I asked). > > I've bugged them about a Linux/*nix port every six months or so for > the past couple of years. They always reply with some statement cooked up > by the marketing department. argh. clueful app engineers, sucky marketing. they're doomed for sure. :( does Applixware have any mail stuff? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 12 12:36:17 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: <0G2B00BHJVK8XE@mail1.supervalu.com> Even 6 months ago, Agent ran nearly flawlessly under Wine. It was a beautiful thing to behold. :) Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 12 12:48:44 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> <20001012123541.U18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E5F97C.A5355E68@ltiflex.com> > > does Applixware have any mail stuff? > Yes, id does. Is it worthwile? Definitly not. It's there mostly so you can click the mail button in any aplix app like you can do with MS Office. It works about as well too. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 12 12:53:16 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <0G2B00BHJVK8XE@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:36:17PM -0500 References: <0G2B00BHJVK8XE@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001012125316.W18514@real-time.com> > Even 6 months ago, Agent ran nearly flawlessly under Wine. > > It was a beautiful thing to behold. :) that's what everyone tells me. :) it just happened to shit on me. :( I'm happy enough with mutt and pan right now, to not go back, tho. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Oct 12 13:08:04 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted Message-ID: <009201c03477$5e429bb0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Hi all, I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, it's not a very popular board. ($$$) Where might I check to get this gizmo? Local, mail-order and Internet shops are acceptable. Alternatively, another motherboard might do the job, but I'd really like to have 64-bit PCI so I can run Ultra160 SCSI at full speed. Dual CPU's would be nice, but not necessary. Thanks, Chris Schumann --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 13:24:31 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted Message-ID: Try www.pricewatch.com if you haven't already. Hopefully, that will guide you in the right direction. Chris Opp Building Block Computers >From: "Chris Schumann" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: >Subject: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:08:04 -0500 > >Hi all, > >I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think >the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, >it's not a very popular board. ($$$) > >Where might I check to get this gizmo? Local, mail-order and >Internet shops are acceptable. > >Alternatively, another motherboard might do the job, but I'd >really like to have 64-bit PCI so I can run Ultra160 SCSI at >full speed. Dual CPU's would be nice, but not necessary. > >Thanks, >Chris Schumann > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 13:39:21 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted In-Reply-To: <009201c03477$5e429bb0$1000a8c0@cschumann>; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:04PM -0500 References: <009201c03477$5e429bb0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <20001012133921.F5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hmmm... Seems like the 370DL3 is much more attainable. AFAICT, the only difference between the 370DL3 and 370DE6 is that the 370DL3 can take 4 GB of ECC Ram... SuperMicro makes surpersweet boards, IMHO. How do their dual flip-chip boards perform? I know that people are having difficulties getting Quake 3 and other closed-source "made with SMP in mind" programs to work on boards from other makers (ABIT, Tyan, MIS, etc). Gabe On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:04PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think > the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, > it's not a very popular board. ($$$) > > Where might I check to get this gizmo? Local, mail-order and > Internet shops are acceptable. > > Alternatively, another motherboard might do the job, but I'd > really like to have 64-bit PCI so I can run Ultra160 SCSI at > full speed. Dual CPU's would be nice, but not necessary. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 13:49:11 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted In-Reply-To: <20001012133921.F5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:39:21PM -0500 References: <009201c03477$5e429bb0$1000a8c0@cschumann> <20001012133921.F5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001012134911.G5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Actually, no. The only difference is that the 370DL3 has the "ServerSet III" chipset, or some such. Other than that, they're identical. Gabe On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:39:21PM -0500, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Hmmm... Seems like the 370DL3 is much more attainable. AFAICT, the only > difference between the 370DL3 and 370DE6 is that the 370DL3 can take 4 GB > of ECC Ram... > > SuperMicro makes surpersweet boards, IMHO. How do their dual flip-chip > boards perform? I know that people are having difficulties getting Quake 3 > and other closed-source "made with SMP in mind" programs to work on boards > from other makers (ABIT, Tyan, MIS, etc). > > Gabe > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:04PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think > > the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, > > it's not a very popular board. ($$$) > > > > Where might I check to get this gizmo? Local, mail-order and > > Internet shops are acceptable. > > > > Alternatively, another motherboard might do the job, but I'd > > really like to have 64-bit PCI so I can run Ultra160 SCSI at > > full speed. Dual CPU's would be nice, but not necessary. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris Schumann > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more > derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, > and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." > - Thomas Paine > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 13:52:15 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted In-Reply-To: <009201c03477$5e429bb0$1000a8c0@cschumann>; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:04PM -0500 References: <009201c03477$5e429bb0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <20001012135215.H5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You may want to check out the places on this site: http://www.supermicro.com/WhereToBuy.htm Specifically here, maybe: http://www.supermicro.com/WhereToBuy.htm#US Central One place listed is in Burnsville. You could call them up and see if they can get the board for you. HTH, Gabe On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:04PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think > the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, > it's not a very popular board. ($$$) > > Where might I check to get this gizmo? Local, mail-order and > Internet shops are acceptable. > > Alternatively, another motherboard might do the job, but I'd > really like to have 64-bit PCI so I can run Ultra160 SCSI at > full speed. Dual CPU's would be nice, but not necessary. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Thu Oct 12 14:16:31 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: <0G2B00BHJVK8XE@mail1.supervalu.com> <20001012125316.W18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E60E0F.CBC47C27@uswest.net> Check out KMail from KDE 2.0 (which is released October 23rd). Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Even 6 months ago, Agent ran nearly flawlessly under Wine. > > > > It was a beautiful thing to behold. :) > > that's what everyone tells me. :) it just happened to shit on me. :( > I'm happy enough with mutt and pan right now, to not go back, tho. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Thu Oct 12 14:18:46 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <39E60E0F.CBC47C27@uswest.net> Message-ID: Run pine or mutt in an Eterm. That's all the gui a kid needs. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 12 14:28:00 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: <39E5C147.F86497F5@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39E610C0.8A6B809E@tcfreenet.org> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > There aren't any. Ant lest no good ones that do IMAP. I just use netscape > mail, it supports imap ssl and ldap and most of the other features I want in > a mail client. GnuPG would be nice though. Anyone tried Spruce lately? Someone told me it was usable now... ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 12 14:28:17 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted In-Reply-To: <20001012135215.H5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > You may want to check out the places on this site: > > http://www.supermicro.com/WhereToBuy.htm I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard. I've heard good things about the Asus A7V (is that right?). Is there an Athlon option with Supermicro boards? In what ways are they superior? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 12 14:35:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted References: Message-ID: <017201c03483$991dc8c0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> If you are going to use Athlon - I recommend ABIT boards KA7 for Slot A and KT7 for Socket A. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > You may want to check out the places on this site: > > > > http://www.supermicro.com/WhereToBuy.htm > > I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard. I've heard good things about > the Asus A7V (is that right?). Is there an Athlon option with Supermicro > boards? In what ways are they superior? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 12 14:48:17 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:28:17PM -0500 References: <20001012135215.H5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001012144817.I5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard. I've heard good things about > the Asus A7V (is that right?). Is there an Athlon option with Supermicro > boards? In what ways are they superior? > > -Tim > I don't think SuperMicro makes any Athlon boards. I didn't necessarily say they were superior. In my experience, their boards have been really rock-solid. If I had tried every board from every board maker in existance, only then could I decide who's boards are superior :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 12 15:27:31 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: <39E5C147.F86497F5@ltiflex.com> <39E610C0.8A6B809E@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39E61EB3.4FFA3EA7@ltiflex.com> I just compiled the CVS version. Todays CVS version doesn't work. The stable release is pretty usable though, as long as you don't use IMAP. Spruce appears to hang while connecting to the IMAP server (GTK doesn't refresh.) but it's still working, and as soon as all the headers are retrived it becomes usable again. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 12 15:35:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted Message-ID: http://www.pricescan.com is also good. I like it better than pricewatch. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Chris Opp [mailto:cop7586@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:25 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted Try www.pricewatch.com if you haven't already. Hopefully, that will guide you in the right direction. Chris Opp Building Block Computers >From: "Chris Schumann" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: >Subject: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:08:04 -0500 > >Hi all, > >I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think >the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, >it's not a very popular board. ($$$) > >Where might I check to get this gizmo? Local, mail-order and >Internet shops are acceptable. > >Alternatively, another motherboard might do the job, but I'd >really like to have 64-bit PCI so I can run Ultra160 SCSI at >full speed. Dual CPU's would be nice, but not necessary. > >Thanks, >Chris Schumann > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 12 15:42:50 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22583] A message from Bob (on RH7) Message-ID: <971383370.39e6224a88bdb@www.fandre.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/12/163218&mode=thread --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 12 17:54:57 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22583] A message from Bob (on RH7) References: <971383370.39e6224a88bdb@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <001401c0349f$71b585e0$0100a8c0@cascade> Yep - saw that. I have to agree with everything he said except that one comparison to Microsoft IS fair - and that is to expect [major] BUGS in a Redhat release. Developers are capable of doing their own blood letting without Redhat giving knives to the naive. Translated ... if I want bleeding edge, I will go get the pieces I am interested in and add them myself. The components can be made available, no sense putting the entire system on it. Why didn't they just use a 2.4pre kernel while they were at it? Answer is ... Alan Cox, a Redhat employee, wouldn't let them :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: "TCLUG List" Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22583] A message from Bob (on RH7) > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/12/163218&mode=thread > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Thu Oct 12 22:54:26 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? Message-ID: Any hamfests coming up here this fall. I remember going to a big one they always had in the fall. This was about 10 years ago! Haven't been to one in a LONG time, and would like to get back in the swing of things now that I am finally done with college. THX. 73's - Jme N0KWJ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Thu Oct 12 23:09:35 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem Message-ID: <20001013040935.565.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> One thing I've found is that SuSE is good at getting X configured. Actually they have always called the free version an "evaluation" version since the 5.2 days. Its the same as the for sale version except it doesn't have the 1500+ rpms of extra software. Jack On Thu, 12 October 2000, Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > I worked around it by using an external monitor... it picked out a nice > refresh rate (it even worked on the LCD) and all went well. I not > familiar with the SuSE way of doing things but what I have is the "trial > version" from their FTP. > > I guess they don't release "real" versions for download anymore? > > Thanks, > Charlie Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Thu Oct 12 23:38:42 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? Message-ID: <20001013043842.4547.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Go here and find out all you could want to know! http://www.hamfestmn.org/ I'll probably go. I always find something at the flea market. (One of these days I'll get some of the paper for that photo priniter I got last year. ;-) I remember a couple of years ago a friend and I almost bought two old Sun workstations (Motorola 68K Processor and 4Mb RAM) for $75! The problem was getting them back to Duluth(where I lived at the time). I don't have enough room in my Neon for 2 19" (or was it 21") monitors. Have fun! Jack On Thu, 12 October 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > Any hamfests coming up here this fall. I remember going to a big one > they always had in the fall. This was about 10 years ago! Haven't been to > one in a LONG time, and would like to get back in the swing of things now > that I am finally done with college. THX. 73's > > - Jme > > N0KWJ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Oct 13 06:27:14 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem In-Reply-To: <20001013040935.565.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: On 12 Oct 2000 jack@jacku.com wrote: > One thing I've found is that SuSE is good at getting X configured. > > Actually they have always called the free version an "evaluation" version > since the 5.2 days. Its the same as the for sale version except it > doesn't have the 1500+ rpms of extra software. That doesn't seem to be quite the case any longer. It didn't offer anything about partitioning the drive or even formatting a partition. It only saw that there was some space on the windows partition and installed some big files (ala BeOS). A core file, a home file and a swap file. It would seem the evaluation version runs from these files and that's all there is to it. I'm burning the 3 CDs of the new Debian now. ;) Thanks, Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Fri Oct 13 07:10:54 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ED95@ipserver2.interplastic.com> HP was working on a linux mail server and client that was supposed to have much of the functionality of exchange. They had it packaged for RH. I don't remember what it was called, but you could probably search on their site and find it. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:28 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client What I'd really like is a Linux mail client that I can point at our crappy exchange server and have my calendar, memos, rules, and all that other fun stuff work. The only reason I really need to use win2k is for Outlook's scheduling stuff. I forget who this was, but there were two different projects to make a Unix based MS Exchange clone. That would be great news for mail admins who get thrown into a bad Exchange situation. Still leaves the problem of a decent client though. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client > Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) IMHO, Agent (www.forteinc.com) is the best Windows mailer/newsreader. it's what kept me from moving over to Linux for a couple of years. it's one of the most stable Windows programs i've seen; it's *fast* (even when dealing with huge amounts of messages on older boxen); and it's *very* fast to use. (has a lot of the same keybindings as mutt). also has a very good filtering/killfile/sorting capability. the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( (I asked). it supposedly runs very well under WINE; but in my experience it locked up every time I tried to access the network. may be a WINE issue. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Fri Oct 13 07:59:41 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... Message-ID: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net> Hey all - Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over 4 years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I have decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my hobby into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming shop in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, and all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to keep coding, in C++ if possible. Dave Sherman (not Sherohman :-)) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 08:11:06 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? Message-ID: What kind of computer equipment have they had in the past? I'm looking for Sun Microsystems stuff. Would it be worth my while to go if all I am looking for is computer related and not HAM? Thanks, Chris >From: jack@jacku.com >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? >Date: 12 Oct 2000 21:38:42 -0700 > >Go here and find out all you could want to know! > >http://www.hamfestmn.org/ > >I'll probably go. I always find something at the flea market. (One of these >days I'll get some of the paper for that photo priniter I got last year. >;-) > >I remember a couple of years ago a friend and I almost bought two old Sun >workstations (Motorola 68K Processor and 4Mb RAM) for $75! The problem was >getting them back to Duluth(where I lived at the time). I don't have enough >room in my Neon for 2 19" (or was it 21") monitors. > >Have fun! >Jack > >On Thu, 12 October 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Any hamfests coming up here this fall. I remember going to a big one > > they always had in the fall. This was about 10 years ago! Haven't been >to > > one in a LONG time, and would like to get back in the swing of things >now > > that I am finally done with college. THX. 73's > > > > - Jme > > > > N0KWJ > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 13 08:42:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... In-Reply-To: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net> References: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net> Message-ID: <971444548.39e71144c8338@www.fandre.com> Quoting Dave Sherman : > Hey all - > > Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over 4 > years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I have > decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my hobby > into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming shop > in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, and > all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, > which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to > keep coding, in C++ if possible. > You know we do have a tclug-jobs mailing list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Oct 13 08:42:02 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... In-Reply-To: <971444548.39e71144c8338@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:42:28AM -0500 References: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net> <971444548.39e71144c8338@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001013084202.C8884@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Also, I saw some UNIX devel positions on Veritas' web site. They're just over in Roseville. www.veritas.com Gabe On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:42:28AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting Dave Sherman : > > > Hey all - > > > > Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over 4 > > years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I have > > decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my hobby > > into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming shop > > in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, and > > all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, > > which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to > > keep coding, in C++ if possible. > > > > You know we do have a tclug-jobs mailing list. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 13 08:45:26 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released Message-ID: <971444726.39e711f635b75@www.fandre.com> Who's willing to fix this damn application and make it a little faster? Anyone? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/13/1246234&mode=thread --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 13 08:45:26 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <971444726.39e711f635b75@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: all i have to say is "YAY! /. effect!" Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@www.openoffice.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Who's willing to fix this damn application and make it a little faster? Anyone? > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/13/1246234&mode=thread > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 13 08:52:30 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <971444726.39e711f635b75@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Who's willing to fix this damn application and make it a little > faster? Anyone? I am, but it would probably not make anyone happy, since it would look too much like Vim when I was done. ;) Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 13 09:01:17 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971445677.39e715ad24a04@www.fandre.com> Quoting Philip C Mendelsohn : > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Who's willing to fix this damn application and make it a little > > faster? Anyone? > > I am, but it would probably not make anyone happy, since it would look > too > much like Vim when I was done. ;) What do you mean? That would be awesome. VIM RULES!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 13 08:57:14 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem References: Message-ID: <39E714BA.F4B48BB2@ltiflex.com> > > That's a bit of a drive from Ohio. ;) I joined the list during the SGI > fiasco and stayed on cause it has to be one of the better LUGs I've seen. > Oh c'mon, only 13 hours! >> Actually they have always called the free version an "evaluation" version >> since the 5.2 days. Its the same as the for sale version except it >> doesn't have the 1500+ rpms of extra software. > That doesn't seem to be quite the case any longer. It didn't offer > anything about partitioning the drive or even formatting a partition. It > only saw that there was some space on the windows partition and installed > some big files (ala BeOS). A core file, a home file and a swap file. It > would seem the evaluation version runs from these files and that's all > there is to it. > That's quite a beparture from doing umsdos. Guess it works, mount some drive images, off you go. No repartioning necissary. Don't like it, boot back to windows and wipe the files. Not a bad idea for new users, might get a bit better performance compared to umsdos too. I would hope that you just missed an option, I'd like to have a chice in the matter. > I'm burning the 3 CDs of the new Debian now. ;) Excellent. But, why does everyone think they need CDs? 3 to 5 floppies is all you really need. You don't even need floppies if you have a windows partition to store the root and driver disks on. The Debian installer is much imporved, no more 13 disks needed to install the base. Once your network connection is going, it can fetch the base, and kick you into tasksel or dselect (or just apt it all!) I suppose if you are on a modem there are definite advantages if your on a modem, then again ask dieman how long it takes to install Debian on a 14.4! =) (didn't yo install FreeBSD off a 14.4 as well?) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Oct 13 09:00:05 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released References: <971444726.39e711f635b75@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <004101c0351d$e46630c0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I am downloading the source right now via cvs. It seems to be a lot of IDL. So that is your answer - it is all a bunch of CORBA objects in all likelyhood. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: "TCLUG List" Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:45 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released > Who's willing to fix this damn application and make it a little faster? Anyone? > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/13/1246234&mode=thread > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 13 09:07:15 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971446035.39e71713900c2@www.fandre.com> Quoting Ben Kochie : > all i have to say is "YAY! /. effect!" > > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to complete your request. > > Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@www.openoffice.org > and > inform them of the time the error occurred, and > anything you might have done that may have caused the error. Hmmm. Hope it's a hardware problem and not a OS problem. From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Oct 13 09:09:24 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22601] Re: OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted References: <971436493.20055.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <000f01c0351f$31c4e720$1000a8c0@cschumann> Actually the BIG difference between 370DLx and 370DE6 is that the 370DLx boards have no AGP slot. The other choice is the PIIIDMx series. They are very similar, except 1) They have Intel i840 chipset 2) That i840 gives the boards UDMA66 IDE vs. 370DLx's UDMA33 3) They have Slot 1 connectors 4) Seem to be a bit cheaper and can be more easily found Hmmm. PIIIDM6 might be the way to go. Thanks to all for the pointers so far. Chris Schumann ======== From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:39:21 -0500 To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20001012133921.F5878@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22570] OT: Motherboard Recommendations Wanted Hmmm... Seems like the 370DL3 is much more attainable. AFAICT, the only difference between the 370DL3 and 370DE6 is that the 370DL3 can take 4 GB of ECC Ram... SuperMicro makes surpersweet boards, IMHO. How do their dual flip-chip boards perform? I know that people are having difficulties getting Quake 3 and other closed-source "made with SMP in mind" programs to work on boards from other makers (ABIT, Tyan, MIS, etc). Gabe On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:04PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm planning on building my next system, and so far, I think > the Supermicro 370DE6 will do the job nicely. Unfortunately, > it's not a very popular board. ($$$) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 13 09:32:27 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released References: <971446035.39e71713900c2@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39E71CFB.E9385834@ltiflex.com> Hey that netcraft thing is neat. www.ringworld.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) Debian/GNU PHP/4.0.2 mod_ssl/2.6.4 OpenSSL/0.9.4 mod_perl/1.24 on Linux www.cnn.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris 2/7 www.sun.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 on Solaris 2/7 Netscape-Enterprise is also being used by BMW, Dilbert, Playboy, Sybase, Ferrari, and Walt Disney. www.ebay.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4 or Windows 98 www.hotmail.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 www.amazon.com is running Stronghold/2.4.2 Apache/1.3.6 C2NetEU/2412 (Unix) on Linux (someone had to find a somewhat redeming quality somewhere, right?) www.ibm.com is running IBM-Planetwide/10.45 Domino-Go-Webserver/4.6 on AIX www.wal-mart.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP2 on HP-UX www.sgi.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on IRIX www.redhat.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.6.6 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on Linux www.freebsd.org is running Apache/1.3.x (Unix) on FreeBSD www.netbad.com is running Apache/1.2.6 FrontPage/3.0.4 on BSD/OS Here's a kicker though: www.openbsd.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 mod_perl/1.21 on Solaris 2/7 Fun toy... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 13 09:43:43 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <39E71CFB.E9385834@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:32:27AM -0500 References: <971446035.39e71713900c2@www.fandre.com> <39E71CFB.E9385834@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001013094343.B18514@real-time.com> > Here's a kicker though: > www.openbsd.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 mod_perl/1.21 on > Solaris 2/7 interesting. still, take a look at this: http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html netcrafts results are not guaranteed to be correct. :) can someone who understands this stuff better than myself poke at it, and see if netcraft is right? Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 13 09:52:56 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... Message-ID: SGI had some linux jobs on their website about 2 days ago, mostly administration though I think. -----Original Message----- From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:42 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... Also, I saw some UNIX devel positions on Veritas' web site. They're just over in Roseville. www.veritas.com Gabe On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:42:28AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting Dave Sherman : > > > Hey all - > > > > Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over 4 > > years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I have > > decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my hobby > > into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming shop > > in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, and > > all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, > > which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to > > keep coding, in C++ if possible. > > > > You know we do have a tclug-jobs mailing list. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 13 09:57:18 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released Message-ID: I heard that microsoft made some modifications to hotmail to make it look like it was running windows 2000, even though it's still running Unix. There's some interesting stuff I could tell you about MS, but I think I'd get in trouble. :) -----Original Message----- From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:32 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released Hey that netcraft thing is neat. www.ringworld.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) Debian/GNU PHP/4.0.2 mod_ssl/2.6.4 OpenSSL/0.9.4 mod_perl/1.24 on Linux www.cnn.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris 2/7 www.sun.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 on Solaris 2/7 Netscape-Enterprise is also being used by BMW, Dilbert, Playboy, Sybase, Ferrari, and Walt Disney. www.ebay.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4 or Windows 98 www.hotmail.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 www.amazon.com is running Stronghold/2.4.2 Apache/1.3.6 C2NetEU/2412 (Unix) on Linux (someone had to find a somewhat redeming quality somewhere, right?) www.ibm.com is running IBM-Planetwide/10.45 Domino-Go-Webserver/4.6 on AIX www.wal-mart.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP2 on HP-UX www.sgi.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on IRIX www.redhat.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.6.6 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on Linux www.freebsd.org is running Apache/1.3.x (Unix) on FreeBSD www.netbad.com is running Apache/1.2.6 FrontPage/3.0.4 on BSD/OS Here's a kicker though: www.openbsd.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 mod_perl/1.21 on Solaris 2/7 Fun toy... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 13 10:07:41 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971449661.39e7253dea617@www.fandre.com> Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > I heard that microsoft made some modifications to hotmail to make it > look > like it was running windows 2000, even though it's still running Unix. > > There's some interesting stuff I could tell you about MS, but I think > I'd > get in trouble. :) Awwww, comeon. We won't tell anyone. Promise. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From morgul at real-time.com Fri Oct 13 10:09:48 2000 From: morgul at real-time.com (Morgul Nazgul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been going to the hamfests for about 10 years. Lately they have been becoming worthless. It now costs $9 to get in (up $2 from last year) and $5 or $6 to park. So just for the privledge of looking at anything, you pay at least $14. Their used stuff is becoming more and more worthless. Why buy someone's old 20x cdrom when you can get a earthquake generator mitsumi for $40. General nanosystems usualy shows up from what I remember so I guess there is that. Last year all I bought was an infomagic cd set and a mac quadra (which didnt work but I think the 68040 does -- just makes the startup noise). Maybe it will be better this year but I don't think I will find out. As far as sun stuff goes, there is usually something there. Ross On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > What kind of computer equipment have they had in the past? I'm looking for > Sun Microsystems stuff. Would it be worth my while to go if all I am looking > for is computer related and not HAM? > > > Thanks, > > > Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at popmail.com Fri Oct 13 10:09:44 2000 From: lxy at popmail.com (lxy@popmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? Message-ID: > What kind of computer equipment have they had in the past? I'm looking for > Sun Microsystems stuff. Would it be worth my while to go if all I am looking > for is computer related and not HAM? Usually, yes. I was at the one in St. Cloud a few months back and it is literally a garage sale for nerds. It's wonderful. I picked up a 10Mbit switch and an HP Jetdirect print server for $15. I saw 4 GB hard drives for $20. There's a lot of IT people involved with ham radio and therefore you can usally find some good hardware at these things. I'd suggest going, but get there early to grab all the good deals. .................................... Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Oct 13 10:08:56 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22476] Laptop SuSE install problem In-Reply-To: <39E714BA.F4B48BB2@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: > > That doesn't seem to be quite the case any longer. It didn't offer > > anything about partitioning the drive or even formatting a partition. It > > only saw that there was some space on the windows partition and installed > > some big files (ala BeOS). A core file, a home file and a swap file. It > > would seem the evaluation version runs from these files and that's all > > there is to it. > > That's quite a beparture from doing umsdos. Guess it works, mount some drive > images, off you go. No repartioning necissary. Don't like it, boot back to > windows and wipe the files. Not a bad idea for new users, might get a bit > better performance compared to umsdos too. I would hope that you just missed > an option, I'd like to have a chice in the matter. I don't think I missed an option... it just did it that way. In fact the files got created without it asking me a single thing. The only option I had was to set up accounts and X. Well, ok, I got to pick a time zone too. I have a nice empty partition that was begging for ReiserFS. Oh well, Debian it is I guess. > Excellent. But, why does everyone think they need CDs? 3 to 5 floppies is > all you really need. You don't even need floppies if you have a windows > partition to store the root and driver disks on. The Debian installer is > much imporved, no more 13 disks needed to install the base. Once your > network connection is going, it can fetch the base, and kick you into > tasksel or dselect (or just apt it all!) > > I suppose if you are on a modem there are definite advantages if your on a > modem, then again ask dieman how long it takes to install Debian on a 14.4! > =) (didn't yo install FreeBSD off a 14.4 as well?) I've got DSL but I'm impatient... I look at it like: I can start ncftp in a background download of the ISO on the gateway box, shut off my laptop and go to bed. Then I burn 'em to a few CDRWs and if it sucks, I can reuse the disks. RH7 was on CDRWs ;) Plus I feel better if I have some kind of media with the OS on it. But that's probably just post traumatic stress disorder from using windoze. Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Oct 13 10:10:51 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <971449661.39e7253dea617@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: > Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > > > I heard that microsoft made some modifications to hotmail to make it > > look > > like it was running windows 2000, even though it's still running Unix. > > > > There's some interesting stuff I could tell you about MS, but I think > > I'd > > get in trouble. :) > > Awwww, comeon. We won't tell anyone. Promise. I think what happened is that they started the "migration" to Win2k. Basically the front end is windows but all of the real work is still done by FreeBSD. Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Oct 13 10:12:32 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... In-Reply-To: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net>; from dcsherman@uswest.net on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:59:41AM -0500 References: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001013101232.A11932@sherohman.org> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:59:41AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Dave Sherman (not Sherohman :-)) So I take it I'm not the only one who's gotten confused occasionally about who said what? ("WTF? I didn't post anything like that... Oh, it's from that Dave Sherman guy, not me.") -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 13 10:20:01 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: really? where? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > SGI had some linux jobs on their website about 2 days ago, mostly > administration though I think. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... > > > Also, I saw some UNIX devel positions on Veritas' web site. They're just > over in Roseville. > > www.veritas.com > > Gabe > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:42:28AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Quoting Dave Sherman : > > > > > Hey all - > > > > > > Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over 4 > > > years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I have > > > decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my hobby > > > into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming shop > > > in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, and > > > all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, > > > which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to > > > keep coding, in C++ if possible. > > > > > > > You know we do have a tclug-jobs mailing list. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space > Madness" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Oct 13 10:21:56 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22613] KDE question Message-ID: <20001013102156.A9093@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ok, got a KDE question for all you KDE users out there. I'm running RH7 and using whatever version of KDE comes with it (1.something). Question: How can I specify application specific settings in KDE? Scenerio: I love transparent, borderless terms. I kicked around Konsole for awhile, but I found no way to make it transparent, let alone borderless. So, I can make rxvt transparent, but KDE insists on puting a border on it. Now, what I want to do is set it so that all instances of rxvt don't get wrapped in a border with a title bar and all that junk. I looked through the KDE config files and looked through all their help pages. Anyone know how to accomplish this? KDE _has_ to support it... I mean, even WindowMaker allows application specific settings, forchrizake! :) TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 13 10:30:47 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba Message-ID: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> I just had a kinda wierd experience. I copied a boatload of files from a NT server to a Linux Samba server. (The method was mount the share on my linux workstation and create a tarball of the files, then scp them to the file server.) Anyway, the when I looked at the files through windows they all appeared as hidden files. I should have check the UNIX permissions, but didn't. Just turned off the hidden atribute via windows explorer. Anybody have any ideas as to why something like that would happen? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 13 10:34:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... Message-ID: Pick "minnesota" and put linux for a keyword. http://www.sgi.com/employment/f_opportunity.html -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:20 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... really? where? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > SGI had some linux jobs on their website about 2 days ago, mostly > administration though I think. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... > > > Also, I saw some UNIX devel positions on Veritas' web site. They're just > over in Roseville. > > www.veritas.com > > Gabe > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:42:28AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Quoting Dave Sherman : > > > > > Hey all - > > > > > > Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over 4 > > > years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I have > > > decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my hobby > > > into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming shop > > > in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, and > > > all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, > > > which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to > > > keep coding, in C++ if possible. > > > > > > > You know we do have a tclug-jobs mailing list. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space > Madness" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 13 10:49:06 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 18 positions: 17 engineering, (2 managers) 1 intern admin.. darn.. nothing in my range.. oh well Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Pick "minnesota" and put linux for a keyword. > > http://www.sgi.com/employment/f_opportunity.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:20 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... > > > really? where? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > SGI had some linux jobs on their website about 2 days ago, mostly > > administration though I think. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:42 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... > > > > > > Also, I saw some UNIX devel positions on Veritas' web site. They're just > > over in Roseville. > > > > www.veritas.com > > > > Gabe > > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:42:28AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Quoting Dave Sherman : > > > > > > > Hey all - > > > > > > > > Well, I find myself looking for a new job. I am a programmer with over > 4 > > > > years of experience, but none of it in Unix/Linux. And now, since I > have > > > > decided to go job shopping, I was thinking I might try and turn my > hobby > > > > into a profession. Anybody here know of a Linux or Unix programming > shop > > > > in the Twin Cities, who needs a coder? I've only just begun looking, > and > > > > all the Unix/Linux stuff I've seen so far is for sysadmin positions, > > > > which is probably beyond my skillset at this point. I'd really like to > > > > keep coding, in C++ if possible. > > > > > > > > > > You know we do have a tclug-jobs mailing list. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > > Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" > > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space > > Madness" > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Fri Oct 13 10:57:01 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <20001013094343.B18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001101c0352e$39395400$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > > Here's a kicker though: > > www.openbsd.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 > mod_perl/1.21 on > > Solaris 2/7 > > interesting. still, take a look at this: > http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html > > netcrafts results are not guaranteed to be correct. :) > > can someone who understands this stuff better than myself poke at it, and > see if netcraft is right? Not sure if Netcraft is right but using OS fingerprinting in nmap, I got the same results (OS only). > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Oct 13 11:05:06 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba In-Reply-To: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:30:47AM -0500 References: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001013110506.B4746@knicknack.net> In the smb.conf file there is an option, map hidden, which, if true, uses the executable by others bit (0001) on Un*x files as the hidden bit for DOS files. I think it is off by default. You may want to check whether you really want to use it. Eric On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:30:47AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > I just had a kinda wierd experience. I copied a boatload of files from a NT > server to a Linux Samba server. (The method was mount the share on my linux > workstation and create a tarball of the files, then scp them to the file > server.) > > Anyway, the when I looked at the files through windows they all appeared as > hidden files. I should have check the UNIX permissions, but didn't. Just > turned off the hidden atribute via windows explorer. Anybody have any ideas > as to why something like that would happen? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 11:38:52 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22619] Corell Linux Message-ID: In the news recently Corel has made plans to be bought out by Microsoft. I was just wondering what people thought about that? Do you think that they are sell outs? Chris _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 13 11:58:00 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba References: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> <20001013110506.B4746@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <39E73F18.2B910DC8@ltiflex.com> barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > > In the smb.conf file there is an option, map hidden, which, if true, > uses the executable by others bit (0001) on Un*x files as the hidden > bit for DOS files. I think it is off by default. You may want to > check whether you really want to use it. > Don't remember why I turned that option on, but I really don't want it on I guess. (I think dotfiles were showing up in the users home directories and I was tryind different settings, and didn't turn that one back off.) Anyway, that cleared it up. My user can see all his documents now. Thanks. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Oct 13 12:52:36 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba In-Reply-To: <39E73F18.2B910DC8@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:58:00AM -0500 References: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> <20001013110506.B4746@knicknack.net> <39E73F18.2B910DC8@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001013125236.A5664@knicknack.net> Are you familiar with the veto option? It allows you to specify files which will never be seen by the SMB client. I use qmail and since it's mail spool is under the user's home directory, I was planning to use the veto option to hide that directory from them. BTW, I just finished reading the O'Reilly Samba book, which is the only reason I know this stuff. I highly recommend it. Eric On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:58:00AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > > > > In the smb.conf file there is an option, map hidden, which, if true, > > uses the executable by others bit (0001) on Un*x files as the hidden > > bit for DOS files. I think it is off by default. You may want to > > check whether you really want to use it. > > > > Don't remember why I turned that option on, but I really don't want it on I > guess. (I think dotfiles were showing up in the users home directories and I > was tryind different settings, and didn't turn that one back off.) > > Anyway, that cleared it up. My user can see all his documents now. Thanks. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Fri Oct 13 13:25:18 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? Message-ID: <20001013182518.24473.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> It depends. ;-) A wide variety of stuff is sold and it seems to change every year. The real "bargins" are usually in the "flea market" area where people buy a table for $15-$25 and sell what they've got. One year I sold an entire Amiga 2000 setup plus a couple of printers and a large amount of software at this event. I then turned around and bought the parts to rebuild a 386SX into a 486SLC. (This was several years ago. :-) The question you need to ask yourself is, "Do I want to spend $8 to sort through a lot of crap to see if there's anything I want?" All I can say is some years there are some really interesting things for sale and some years its all junk. But there is plenty of computer equipment for sale. Its the Hamfest AND Computer Expo. Jack On Fri, 13 October 2000, "Chris Opp" wrote: > > > > > > What kind of computer equipment have they had in the past? I'm looking for > Sun Microsystems stuff. Would it be worth my while to go if all I am looking > for is computer related and not HAM? > > > Thanks, > > > Chris > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 13 13:40:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <20001013094343.B18514@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:43:43AM -0500 References: <971446035.39e71713900c2@www.fandre.com> <39E71CFB.E9385834@ltiflex.com> <20001013094343.B18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001013134001.B9238@ringworld.org> Ya know. if you go to their website you find out they are sponsered (for free) by sunsite AB. sunsite AB runs, gasp, solaris. End of story. You want free bandwidth, you get what they give. * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [001013 09:44]: > > Here's a kicker though: > > www.openbsd.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 mod_perl/1.21 on > > Solaris 2/7 > > interesting. still, take a look at this: > http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html > > netcrafts results are not guaranteed to be correct. :) > > can someone who understands this stuff better than myself poke at it, and > see if netcraft is right? > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would hope that you just missed > an option, I'd like to have a chice in the matter. It is faster, I changed my zipslack laptop's /usr directory to a loopback mount because tabbing was so damn slow. Plus UMSDOS has yet to be updated to play nicely with VFAT. You can either have UMSDOS long names or VFAT, but not both... :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Fri Oct 13 14:01:32 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22619] Corell Linux In-Reply-To: ; from cop7586@hotmail.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:38:52AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001013140132.B12730@ravendusk.org> On Friday, October 13, 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > In the news recently Corel has made plans to be bought out by Microsoft. I > was just wondering what people thought about that? Do you think that they > are sell outs? Err, not even close! Microsoft invested in Corel with "non-voting" shares. MS does not want Corel to die (just like it doesn't want Apple to die), or even to buy it out. The fewer major competitors MS has, the more likely it'll get nailed for monopolistic behavior. One theory is that MS's investment in Corel is an under-the-table settlement of their past lawsuits against MS. John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From phil80 at netscape.net Fri Oct 13 14:08:09 2000 From: phil80 at netscape.net (Philip Forst) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22626] Establishing Directory Permissions for FTP Uploads Message-ID: <20001013190809.6727.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Hello all. I am using Mandrake 7.1 w/kernel 2.2.15-secure and Apache 1.3.12-12mdk to learn more about serving web sites. Anyway, I have created a user -- Fred for purposes of this conversation -- specifically for administering the web site. Fred only belongs to one group I have created - "web." I can upload files to Fred's home directory without a problem. I've created a partition -- /www -- whose sole purpose is to be the directory where all web sites are kept (i.e. all Apache document roots lead to some point in this directory). I created this when I installed Mandrake. The problem is that root is both the owner and group that has control over /www. Thus, Fred is unable to upload anything to /www. I have used chmod to change file permissions in the past, but can not seem to properly use it to change the owner and group controlling /www. How do I do this? P.S. Just to be clear, /www is a partition just like /var and /usr that was formatted during the Mandrake install. My intent here is noty only to create a "box" that if some were to break in to, they could go no further than the /www partition but also cut down on the necessity of logging is as root. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 13 14:08:46 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22619] Corell Linux In-Reply-To: <20001013140132.B12730@ravendusk.org>; from dusk@ravendusk.org on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:01:32PM -0500 References: <20001013140132.B12730@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: <20001013140846.C9238@ringworld.org> * John R. Sheets [001013 14:03]: > On Friday, October 13, 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > In the news recently Corel has made plans to be bought out by Microsoft. I > > was just wondering what people thought about that? Do you think that they > > are sell outs? > One theory is that MS's investment in Corel is an under-the-table > settlement of their past lawsuits against MS. I do like this though: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-10/lw-10-corel.html Read the part about .NET and linux. It's an interview with Corel's CEO -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thus, Fred is unable to upload anything to /www. I have used chmod to > change file permissions in the past, but can not seem to properly use it to > change the owner and group controlling /www. How do I do this? > Well, you have some options: 1) give fred ownership of /www chown fred.web /www 2) give the web group group-ownership of /www and then make the directory setGID chgrp web /www ; chmod g+rwx /www ; chmod g+s /www HTH, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Let's take a closer look, shall we? What's this? AHHH! An ingrowned dunclaw! Disqualified!!!! Take him away!" -- Judge "YOW!! I spent months pushing in that dunclaw!!" -- George Liquor - Stimpy fails George Liquor in "Dog Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Fri Oct 13 15:06:15 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22619] Corell Linux In-Reply-To: <20001013140846.C9238@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:08:46PM -0500 References: <20001013140132.B12730@ravendusk.org> <20001013140846.C9238@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001013150615.D12730@ravendusk.org> On Friday, October 13, 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > I do like this though: > > http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-10/lw-10-corel.html > > Read the part about .NET and linux. It's an interview with Corel's CEO Yeah, a cute little read. I wonder if they'll try to use Wine to integrate .NET with Linux. Hmmmm.... John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Oct 13 15:13:37 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22619] Corell Linux References: <20001013140132.B12730@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: <39E76CF1.7A59B94C@structural-wood.com> "John R. Sheets" wrote: > > On Friday, October 13, 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > In the news recently Corel has made plans to be bought out by Microsoft. I > > was just wondering what people thought about that? Do you think that they > > are sell outs? > > Err, not even close! Microsoft invested in Corel with "non-voting" > shares. MS does not want Corel to die (just like it doesn't want Apple > to die), or even to buy it out. The fewer major competitors MS has, the > more likely it'll get nailed for monopolistic behavior. > > One theory is that MS's investment in Corel is an under-the-table > settlement of their past lawsuits against MS. > > John > > I suspect it is a combination of several reasons, no single one of which would be enough to justify the purchase alone. Non-voting stock is a pretty silly concept when the company will go bankrupt without the capital the stock represents. "I think your company is becoming a bad investment because of your focus on Linux, I think I'm going to need to sell your shares short..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 13 17:36:43 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <20001013134001.B9238@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:40:01PM -0500 References: <971446035.39e71713900c2@www.fandre.com> <39E71CFB.E9385834@ltiflex.com> <20001013094343.B18514@real-time.com> <20001013134001.B9238@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001013173643.K18514@real-time.com> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:40:01PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > Ya know. if you go to their website you find out they are sponsered (for > free) by sunsite AB. > > sunsite AB runs, gasp, solaris. > > End of story. > > You want free bandwidth, you get what they give. ah, gotcha. I figured it was something like that. :) thanks, I knew someone would find the explanation. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Oct 13 17:45:54 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: Mulberry 2.0 is out in late alpha for linux. There are still working on some bugs, but the interface is very GUI and similiar to the windows version, which is nice. It has a disconnect mode and sync features, which is very nice to imap over dialup. www.cyrusoft.com The final version won't be free though, Ben On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) > > IMHO, Agent (www.forteinc.com) is the best Windows mailer/newsreader. it's > what kept me from moving over to Linux for a couple of years. it's one of > the most stable Windows programs i've seen; it's *fast* (even when dealing > with huge amounts of messages on older boxen); and it's *very* fast to use. > (has a lot of the same keybindings as mutt). > also has a very good filtering/killfile/sorting capability. > > the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( (I asked). > > it supposedly runs very well under WINE; but in my experience it locked up > every time I tried to access the network. may be a WINE issue. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 13 18:07:50 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 05:45:54PM -0500 References: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001013180750.O18514@real-time.com> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 05:45:54PM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > Mulberry 2.0 is out in late alpha for linux. There are still working on > some bugs, but the interface is very GUI and similiar to the windows > version, which is nice. It has a disconnect mode and sync features, which > is very nice to imap over dialup. how reliable is it? I remember when Winona State was trying to get away from command-line mail access (ca. 1996), and they put Mulberry (admittedly, an older version) on a lot of pc's in the labs. I tried it a few times, and found it to be extremely unreliable. after crashing a few times, an leaving my mailbox in a questionable state, I forswore IMAP mailers and went back to using PMDF and a text editor to read/write mail. (which was also a lot faster and less clunky, IMHO). took some serious change (long-distance dial-up) to even convince me that a POP3 mailer (Agent) was a Good Thing (sometimes). right now I'm using Mutt/vi, reading mail directly on my ISP's mailserver. Just like the Good Old Days. :) I'm much happier with this arrangement than most anything else. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 13 18:16:02 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22634] OT: answering service amusement Message-ID: <20001013181602.Q18514@real-time.com> This is forwarded from the SCALUG list, where it got a ton of laughs. so even tho it's of questionable relation to Linux; there's a pile of geek humor in it. :) > This comes highly recommended as a stress reliever... > > If you want a good laugh do the following...trust me you will laugh > You must do this! > National Discount Brokers > 1. dial 800-888-3999 > 2. listen to the options > 3. when you hear #7 hit 7 > Every company should have an option #7. if for some reason you get a live person at the other end, tell them "I wanted to hear the duck!". ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 13 19:09:10 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22635] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released In-Reply-To: <971444726.39e711f635b75@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 08:45:26AM -0500 References: <971444726.39e711f635b75@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001013190910.C32515@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Who's willing to fix this damn application and make it a little faster? > Anyone? > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/13/1246234&mode=thread Only they port the code to gnome, the bloat of the application (size and speed) will be fixed. Much of the GUI of SO is IN the application. Pull that out to shared gnome libs and you will get a smaller application. We can debate gnome's speed on another thread. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Fri Oct 13 19:16:45 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: Well, I went a long time ago (about 10 years ago when I was just a 15 yr old) so my knowledge is a bit dated. But I do remember they used to have odd computer gear there. I would DOUBT that they have Sun Microsystem gear there. But since we are on the subject I thought I might ask you...do you know where I might find old Sun Microsystem stuff? There are a few used computer shops that are computer recycling places I got info on that I want to try sometime soon. One is on Pilot Knob Road (sorry but the name is on a notepad I have at school). If I find they have a lot of good stuff there, I will let you know. Someone told me that the place is filled from floor to ceiling with used old computers. Sounds like a field day to me! : ) - Jamie > > > > > What kind of computer equipment have they had in the past? I'm looking for > Sun Microsystems stuff. Would it be worth my while to go if all I am looking > for is computer related and not HAM? > > > Thanks, > > > Chris > > > >From: jack@jacku.com > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? > >Date: 12 Oct 2000 21:38:42 -0700 > > > >Go here and find out all you could want to know! > > > >http://www.hamfestmn.org/ > > > >I'll probably go. I always find something at the flea market. (One of these > >days I'll get some of the paper for that photo priniter I got last year. > >;-) > > > >I remember a couple of years ago a friend and I almost bought two old Sun > >workstations (Motorola 68K Processor and 4Mb RAM) for $75! The problem was > >getting them back to Duluth(where I lived at the time). I don't have enough > >room in my Neon for 2 19" (or was it 21") monitors. > > > >Have fun! > >Jack > > > >On Thu, 12 October 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any hamfests coming up here this fall. I remember going to a big one > > > they always had in the fall. This was about 10 years ago! Haven't been > >to > > > one in a LONG time, and would like to get back in the swing of things > >now > > > that I am finally done with college. THX. 73's > > > > > > - Jme > > > > > > N0KWJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From phil80 at netscape.net Fri Oct 13 19:39:34 2000 From: phil80 at netscape.net (Philip Forst) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question Message-ID: <20001014003935.7343.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> I have a server -- AMD K6-2 400 with 96MB RAM and Mandrake 7.1 -- on which I would like to install Open SSH 2.2.0. I know all of the packages that are necessary to get SSH going. The problem: OpenSSH-server-2.2.0p1 requires OpenSSH-2.2.0p1 be installed. OpenSSH-2.2.0p1, however, will not install unless rpmlib(versioned dependencies 3.0.3-1 or older is installed). My Mandrake install already has 3.0.4 installed but still will not let the rpmlib be installed. Aside from going to a differnet piece of software for encryption, how does one get around this impass? Is is wise to uninstall rpmlib 3.0.4 and then install the older 3.0.3? Any assistance you can provide is appreciated. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Fri Oct 13 22:56:26 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question In-Reply-To: <20001014003935.7343.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: Why not just compile openssh from scratch and not even bother jumping through the flaming hoops of rpm? Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Fri Oct 13 23:24:19 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client References: <20001012121833.Q18514@real-time.com> <20001013180750.O18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39E7DFF3.13A0154C@ringworld.org> I've tried Mulburry. It's interface is...interesting. Personally, I don't much care for it. Personally, I like the three plane setup. One for the folder list, one for message headers, and the preview plane. From experience, most users will be just a little confuzzled by Mulburry. Belive me, I did tech support for the campus clusters when it was first rolled out. All I can say about it is that it works, espically for an enviorment where people are hopping from computer to computer to computer. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Oct 14 00:53:42 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question In-Reply-To: <20001014003935.7343.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: Compile it from source? :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On 13 Oct 2000, Philip Forst wrote: > I have a server -- AMD K6-2 400 with 96MB RAM and Mandrake 7.1 -- on which I > would like to install Open SSH 2.2.0. I know all of the packages that are > necessary to get SSH going. > > The problem: OpenSSH-server-2.2.0p1 requires OpenSSH-2.2.0p1 be installed. > OpenSSH-2.2.0p1, however, will not install unless rpmlib(versioned > dependencies 3.0.3-1 or older is installed). My Mandrake install already > has 3.0.4 installed but still will not let the rpmlib be installed. > > Aside from going to a differnet piece of software for encryption, how does > one get around this impass? Is is wise to uninstall rpmlib 3.0.4 and then > install the older 3.0.3? > > Any assistance you can provide is appreciated. Thank you. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Sat Oct 14 03:52:06 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba In-Reply-To: <20001013125236.A5664@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 12:52:36PM -0500 References: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> <20001013110506.B4746@knicknack.net> <39E73F18.2B910DC8@ltiflex.com> <20001013125236.A5664@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20001014085206.A17558@attglobal.net> On 0, barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > Are you familiar with the veto option? It allows you to specify files > which will never be seen by the SMB client. I use qmail and since > it's mail spool is under the user's home directory, I was planning to > use the veto option to hide that directory from them. > > BTW, I just finished reading the O'Reilly Samba book, which is the > only reason I know this stuff. I highly recommend it. > > Eric > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:58:00AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > > > > > > In the smb.conf file there is an option, map hidden, which, if true, > > > uses the executable by others bit (0001) on Un*x files as the hidden > > > bit for DOS files. I think it is off by default. You may want to > > > check whether you really want to use it. > > > > > > > Don't remember why I turned that option on, but I really don't want it on I > > guess. (I think dotfiles were showing up in the users home directories and I > > was tryind different settings, and didn't turn that one back off.) > > > > Anyway, that cleared it up. My user can see all his documents now. Thanks. > > > I have just tried the following veto option in Samba config. veto files = /.*/ This is to hide all the dot files. At first I tried to use "hide dot files" option and that did not work. Then I did try the "veto files" option. That does not hide the dot files. How can you hide the .qmail* files and other dot files in the "veto files", using a wildcard character? -- Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 14 10:06:11 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client Message-ID: Yes it was/is called HP Openmail. Installed and ran it. It is good! It is also a hard one to sell to the higher-ups if you are in a F.U.D. filled environment (fear, uncertainty, and doubt)... It has almost all of the functionality of Exchange (except it does not keep the mail in one big database, it splits up the users server storage.) Kelly Black P.S. I don't work for HP. I just tried out the product and found its command line approach to management under Linux far superior to Exchanges click button and check box from the server refreshing. Lots of command line tools (cronable, return errors, can set up mail aliases to do remote admin, etc... a good way to go if you ask me!) >From: Ryan Ware >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" >Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:10:54 -0500 > >HP was working on a linux mail server and client that was supposed to have >much of the functionality of exchange. They had it packaged for RH. I >don't remember what it was called, but you could probably search on their >site and find it. > >Ryan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:28 PM >To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' >Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client > > >What I'd really like is a Linux mail client that I can point at our crappy >exchange server and have my calendar, memos, rules, and all that other fun >stuff work. The only reason I really need to use win2k is for Outlook's >scheduling stuff. > >I forget who this was, but there were two different projects to make a Unix >based MS Exchange clone. That would be great news for mail admins who get >thrown into a bad Exchange situation. Still leaves the problem of a decent >client though. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:19 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client > > > > Another good option is to run Eudora under WINE. :) > >IMHO, Agent (www.forteinc.com) is the best Windows mailer/newsreader. it's >what kept me from moving over to Linux for a couple of years. it's one of >the most stable Windows programs i've seen; it's *fast* (even when dealing >with huge amounts of messages on older boxen); and it's *very* fast to use. >(has a lot of the same keybindings as mutt). >also has a very good filtering/killfile/sorting capability. > >the company, unfortunately, doesn't plan on porting to Linux right now. :( >(I asked). > >it supposedly runs very well under WINE; but in my experience it locked up >every time I tried to access the network. may be a WINE issue. > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 14 10:13:50 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? Message-ID: I fully agree with your assesment. Unless you are going for an antique, it is not the place to go. Lot's of people selling broken stuff (if it worked most cheap ham ops would keep it in service 'till it broke!) Kelly Black >From: Morgul Nazgul >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22585] Hey hammers, any hamfests coming up? >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:09:48 -0500 (CDT) > >I've been going to the hamfests for about 10 years. Lately they have been >becoming worthless. It now costs $9 to get in (up $2 from last year) and >$5 or $6 to park. So just for the privledge of looking at >anything, you pay at least $14. Their used stuff is becoming more and >more worthless. Why buy someone's old 20x cdrom when you can get a >earthquake generator mitsumi for $40. General nanosystems usualy shows up >from what I remember so I guess there is that. Last year all I bought was >an infomagic cd set and a mac quadra (which didnt work but I think the >68040 does -- just makes the startup noise). Maybe it will be better this >year but I don't think I will find out. As far as sun stuff goes, there >is usually something there. > > Ross > > > > >On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > What kind of computer equipment have they had in the past? I'm looking >for > > Sun Microsystems stuff. Would it be worth my while to go if all I am >looking > > for is computer related and not HAM? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Oct 14 15:07:37 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22644] C compiler Message-ID: <39E8BD09.550FAF82@black-hole.com> Any suggestions on a decent C compiler? Is GNU Cash compatible with KDE or is a Gnome only utility. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Oct 14 16:40:22 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22644] C compiler In-Reply-To: <39E8BD09.550FAF82@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 03:07:37PM -0500 References: <39E8BD09.550FAF82@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001014164022.A49653@reality.cs.umn.edu> Well, umm, I've never had any problems with gcc. :) I don't know anything about GNU Cash, but from the name of it, it doesn't sound like a C compiler to me. Gabe On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 03:07:37PM -0500, Brian wrote: > Any suggestions on a decent C compiler? > Is GNU Cash compatible with KDE or is a Gnome only utility. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "What's the big sleep, Ren?" "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Oct 14 15:34:40 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22644] C compiler References: <39E8BD09.550FAF82@black-hole.com> <20001014164022.A49653@reality.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39E8C360.31BBA2B3@black-hole.com> Sorry Gabe, the GNUCash was a seperate question, kinda popped into my head while I was writing. "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > Well, umm, I've never had any problems with gcc. :) I don't know anything > about GNU Cash, but from the name of it, it doesn't sound like a C compiler > to me. > > Gabe > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 03:07:37PM -0500, Brian wrote: > > Any suggestions on a decent C compiler? > > Is GNU Cash compatible with KDE or is a Gnome only utility. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "What's the big sleep, Ren?" > "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" > - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Sat Oct 14 16:10:02 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22644] C compiler In-Reply-To: <39E8BD09.550FAF82@black-hole.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > Any suggestions on a decent C compiler? > Is GNU Cash compatible with KDE or is a Gnome only utility. gcc comes with every linux dist, it's cosmic law. As for GNU Cash, like any program, if you have the proper libs installed for it the program really doesn't care what desktop you may or may not be running. At least for the most part; some apps designed for gnome do dumb shit like assuming you want a gnome control panel running. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From parker at mi-recordz.com Sat Oct 14 18:11:44 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22644] C compiler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > gcc comes with every linux dist, it's cosmic law. True, but it doesn't install by default on, certain distros, preconfigured server installations. Know what I talkin' 'bout? :) Go figure, I guess. Ron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Oct 14 22:55:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question References: Message-ID: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> Scott wrote: > > Why not just compile openssh from scratch and not even bother jumping > through the flaming hoops of rpm? Why not build your own OpenSSH RPM and not have to worry about what was on whoever built the RPM's machine? :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 15 03:36:38 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22650] How Do I change X Screen resolution References: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39E96C96.D52983ED@tc.umn.edu> It's a simple question, How do I set the display of my monitor to 1024 x 768, which is now 800 x 600 (ugly!). I am using FVWM2 desktop on freeBSD 4.1 Any help appreciated. Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Oct 15 03:45:12 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22651] Cisco 675 Message-ID: <200010150845.e9F8jkj26739@sprite.real-time.com> Anyone have any experience with cisco 675 debug mode? It seems that my 675 has corrupted itself. I've d/l'd a new .ima into it but when I try to flash it into the proper location I get the message: FLASH memory at fef00000 is not blank" Any hints? Qwestionable wants to sell me a new one & I really don't want to shell out again. Thanks, Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 15 05:46:31 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22651] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <200010150845.DAA08622@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: > es 6 erase sector 6 Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Anyone have any experience with cisco 675 debug mode? It seems that > my 675 has corrupted itself. I've d/l'd a new .ima into it but when > I try to flash it into the proper location I get the message: > FLASH memory at fef00000 is not blank" > > Any hints? Qwestionable wants to sell me a new one & I really don't > want to shell out again. > > Thanks, > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Sun Oct 15 07:18:13 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba In-Reply-To: <20001014085206.A17558@attglobal.net>; from subb3@attglobal.net on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:52:06AM +0000 References: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> <20001013110506.B4746@knicknack.net> <39E73F18.2B910DC8@ltiflex.com> <20001013125236.A5664@knicknack.net> <20001014085206.A17558@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20001015071813.A7989@knicknack.net> Hmmmm. I tried setting veto files = /.*/Maildir*/ and it worked for me, at least using smbclient to view the share. Did you either wait for Samba to re-read the smb.conf file or did you HUP smbd to cause it to do so? What version of Samba are you running? Eric On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:52:06AM +0000, Subba Rao wrote: > I have just tried the following veto option in Samba config. > > veto files = /.*/ > > This is to hide all the dot files. At first I tried to use "hide dot files" > option and that did not work. Then I did try the "veto files" option. That > does not hide the dot files. How can you hide the .qmail* files and other dot > files in the "veto files", using a wildcard character? > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cgahlon at citilink.com Sun Oct 15 08:13:36 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22651] Cisco 675 References: <200010150843.DAA09671@citycenter.citilink.com> Message-ID: <39E9AD80.396E006A@citilink.com> Try this URL it has some help on recovering from a faulty CBOS upgrade... http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ Chris Gahlon "Jay W. Anderson" wrote: > Anyone have any experience with cisco 675 debug mode? It seems that > my 675 has corrupted itself. I've d/l'd a new .ima into it but when > I try to flash it into the proper location I get the message: > FLASH memory at fef00000 is not blank" > > Any hints? Qwestionable wants to sell me a new one & I really don't > want to shell out again. > > Thanks, > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Oct 15 08:33:53 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22651] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: References: <200010150845.DAA08622@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: <200010151334.e9FDYQj29352@sprite.real-time.com> I've done es 0-6 and the is still three of four chars in fef00000 & fef00010 Jay On 15 Oct 00, at 5:46, Adam Maloney wrote: > > es 6 > > erase sector 6 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Sun Oct 15 08:46:30 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22650] How Do I change X Screen resolution References: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> <39E96C96.D52983ED@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39E9B536.9FAE1F6A@fandre.com> Apu wrote: > > It's a simple question, > > How do I set the display of my monitor to 1024 x 768, which is now 800 x 600 > (ugly!). I am using FVWM2 desktop on freeBSD 4.1 > Any help appreciated. Edit your XF86Config file. It's usually located in /etc/X11. Look towards the bottom and add your desired resolution to the Modes line. Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Oct 15 10:08:47 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22651] Cisco 675 References: Message-ID: <200010151509.e9FF9Sj29922@sprite.real-time.com> I resolved this & am back up Thanks for the help Jay On 15 Oct 00, at 8:33, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > I've done es 0-6 and the is still three of four chars in fef00000 & > fef00010 > > Jay > > On 15 Oct 00, at 5:46, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > es 6 > > > > erase sector 6 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Oct 15 11:38:12 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <20001013180750.O18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: I can't really speak of the linux version -- I haven't used it much and it is still alpha, but the pc/mac version is what we use in all our public labs at Carleton. It isn't perfect, but I've found it quite reliable unless you open it at the same time you open netscape, in which case it crashes before you can login. Ben > how reliable is it? I remember when Winona State was trying to get away from > command-line mail access (ca. 1996), and they put Mulberry (admittedly, an older > version) on a lot of pc's in the labs. I tried it a few times, and found it > to be extremely unreliable. after crashing a few times, an leaving my mailbox > in a questionable state, I forswore IMAP mailers and went back to using PMDF > and a text editor to read/write mail. (which was also a lot faster and less > clunky, IMHO). > > took some serious change (long-distance dial-up) to even convince me that a > POP3 mailer (Agent) was a Good Thing (sometimes). > > right now I'm using Mutt/vi, reading mail directly on my ISP's mailserver. Just > like the Good Old Days. :) I'm much happier with this arrangement than most > anything else. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Sun Oct 15 07:48:24 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22614] Hidden files with samba In-Reply-To: <20001015071813.A7989@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 07:18:13AM -0500 References: <39E72AA7.C5004BCF@ltiflex.com> <20001013110506.B4746@knicknack.net> <39E73F18.2B910DC8@ltiflex.com> <20001013125236.A5664@knicknack.net> <20001014085206.A17558@attglobal.net> <20001015071813.A7989@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20001015124824.F17558@attglobal.net> On 0, barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > Hmmmm. I tried setting > veto files = /.*/Maildir*/ > and it worked for me, at least using smbclient to view the share. > > Did you either wait for Samba to re-read the smb.conf file or did you > HUP smbd to cause it to do so? What version of Samba are you running? > > Eric > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:52:06AM +0000, Subba Rao wrote: > > I have just tried the following veto option in Samba config. > > > > veto files = /.*/ > > > > This is to hide all the dot files. At first I tried to use "hide dot files" > > option and that did not work. Then I did try the "veto files" option. That > > does not hide the dot files. How can you hide the .qmail* files and other dot > > files in the "veto files", using a wildcard character? > > > The version is 2.0.7. The SIGHUP to the deamon did not reread the smb.conf. I stopped and restarted the daemon and it then worked fine. Now the dot files are not listed for the smb clients. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sun Oct 15 12:19:44 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question References: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <001e01c036cc$1c6e68c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Go visit http://www.rpm.org and take a look around. This is not a trivial process, and it involves creating a spec file and a sample build. I have attached an example spec file I have built a spec for mawk-1.3.3 awhile back. You will want to add a %config entry with your /etc/rc.d/init.d file and the corresponding files so that sshd will start up. Also, make sure that you create the server side DSA and RSA keys on startup if they don't exist. I have built such a package in the past, but I seem to have misplaced the spec file. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question > Scott wrote: > > > > Why not just compile openssh from scratch and not even bother jumping > > through the flaming hoops of rpm? > > Why not build your own OpenSSH RPM and not have to worry about what was > on whoever built the RPM's machine? :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gone2pot at ispchannel.com Sun Oct 15 12:34:31 2000 From: gone2pot at ispchannel.com (Ken Russell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22661] Samba Error Message-ID: <39E9EAA7.47AAE3D8@ispchannel.com> Whenever I type smbstatus, I now get the following: "Couldn't open status file /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK" I've stopped, then restarted /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb start, but still get the message, and of course and I can't smbmount any drives from my doze boxes. I get a good ping from both doze ip addreses, but can't mount them. The dozers are all configured TCP/IP correctly with the correct file and print sharing stuff. My smb.conf file (I think) has all the right stuff in it but wouldn't know for sure if there were neon signs flashing, "Kenny, you moron, here's the problem." If you have any suggestions, remember to type slowly. I'm a VERY newbie Linux user. TIA Ken Russell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 15 21:12:03 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22661] Samba Error Message-ID: I have seen that one before Ken. When I ran in to it, the lock file did not exist as the error stated. I did a touch /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK to create it, and then started SAMBA, and seemed to work after that. Not sure what condition caused the lock file to get nuked, but after creating an empty one, it was happy. Kelly Black >From: Ken Russell >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" >Subject: [TCLUG:22661] Samba Error >Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:34:31 -0500 > >Whenever I type smbstatus, I now get the following: > >"Couldn't open status file /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK" > >I've stopped, then restarted /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb start, but still get >the message, and of course and I can't smbmount any drives from my doze >boxes. I get a good ping from both doze ip addreses, but can't mount >them. The dozers are all configured TCP/IP correctly with the correct >file and print sharing stuff. My smb.conf file (I think) has all the >right stuff in it but wouldn't know for sure if there were neon signs >flashing, "Kenny, you moron, here's the problem." > >If you have any suggestions, remember to type slowly. I'm a VERY newbie >Linux user. > >TIA > >Ken Russell > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Oct 15 21:37:09 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question References: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> <001e01c036cc$1c6e68c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <39EA69D5.6E188ACB@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Go visit http://www.rpm.org and take a look around. This is not a trivial > process, and it involves creating a spec file and a sample build. I have Yes it is a trivial process since since 2.x .spec files seem to be standard out of the box, as well as src.rpms. Grab the src.rpm and 'rpm --rebuild openssh-2.2.0p1-2.src.rpm' ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/rpm/openssh-2.2.0p1-2.src.rpm You'll need OpenSSL installed before you can compile OpenSSH. Get that at: http://www.openssl.org/source/ rpm -tb should work on it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 15 22:02:07 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22664] GeForce with X 4.01 and Mandrake Message-ID: Does anyone have Mandrake running with an Nvidia Geforce and X 4? I have it sorta working, but the DRI and other modules are not loading. I know most of that stuff has to be loaded in a certain order. Can you send me your config if you have it? Thanks. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 9:37 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Go visit http://www.rpm.org and take a look around. This is not a trivial > process, and it involves creating a spec file and a sample build. I have Yes it is a trivial process since since 2.x .spec files seem to be standard out of the box, as well as src.rpms. Grab the src.rpm and 'rpm --rebuild openssh-2.2.0p1-2.src.rpm' ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/rpm/openssh-2.2.0p1-2. src.rpm You'll need OpenSSL installed before you can compile OpenSSH. Get that at: http://www.openssl.org/source/ rpm -tb should work on it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Oct 15 22:27:48 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22664] GeForce with X 4.01 and Mandrake In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 10:02:07PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001015222748.M9238@ringworld.org> Yeah. I do pretty good here with debian, and some other stuff compiled up to get to X4 and stuff. Do you have the kernel module working first? Can it load ok? Secondly, do you have a dump of your Xfree86 logfile? * Austad, Jay [001015 22:02]: > Does anyone have Mandrake running with an Nvidia Geforce and X 4? I have it > sorta working, but the DRI and other modules are not loading. I know most > of that stuff has to be loaded in a certain order. Can you send me your > config if you have it? > > Thanks. > > Jay > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wanted to get someone's working config so I wouldn't have to screw around with it too much. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:28 PM To: Austad, Jay Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22664] GeForce with X 4.01 and Mandrake Yeah. I do pretty good here with debian, and some other stuff compiled up to get to X4 and stuff. Do you have the kernel module working first? Can it load ok? Secondly, do you have a dump of your Xfree86 logfile? * Austad, Jay [001015 22:02]: > Does anyone have Mandrake running with an Nvidia Geforce and X 4? I have it > sorta working, but the DRI and other modules are not loading. I know most > of that stuff has to be loaded in a certain order. Can you send me your > config if you have it? > > Thanks. > > Jay > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Oct 15 22:57:47 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22667] Testing...bouncing still? Message-ID: <20001015225747.J24693@wookimus.net> Just seeing if I've screwed up my Postfix install... Shut up, Scott! -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from somewhere else? Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 15 23:15:59 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22669] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 11:23:56PM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001015231559.C16799@real-time.com> Quoting Apu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu): > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I > observed that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > called them they told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. > (which is kinda high on top of $50). > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better > service from somewhere else? Install another NIC card in box1 ($30). Make box1 run ipchains (or iptables if kernel 2.4+). http://heaven.hamline.edu/LDP/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html Setup IP masquarding. http://members.home.net/ipmasq/ If you have some services running on box2 (which is now a non-routable IP) you can do port forwarding. http://howto.real-time.com/realtime/PortForwarding/tclugpres/ Or, find a nice ISP and get DSL. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Oct 15 23:17:57 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22664] GeForce with X 4.01 and Mandrake In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 10:52:57PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001015231756.N9238@ringworld.org> Uh, oh, your using the 2d driver? I dont have any experience with that, just the closed-source driver from nvidia. * Austad, Jay [001015 22:53]: > Yes, the module that comes with Mandrake loads OK. I just reinstalled my > machine, so I don't have the logs anymore. I wanted to get someone's > working config so I wouldn't have to screw around with it too much. :) > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:28 PM > To: Austad, Jay > Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22664] GeForce with X 4.01 and Mandrake > > > Yeah. I do pretty good here with debian, and some other stuff compiled > up to get to X4 and stuff. > > Do you have the kernel module working first? Can it load ok? > > Secondly, do you have a dump of your Xfree86 logfile? > > * Austad, Jay [001015 22:02]: > > Does anyone have Mandrake running with an Nvidia Geforce and X 4? I have > it > > sorta working, but the DRI and other modules are not loading. I know most > > of that stuff has to be loaded in a certain order. Can you send me your > > config if you have it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Jay > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I called them they > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > top of $50). > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > somewhere else? > > Apu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 01:07:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:05:04AM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001016010749.F16799@real-time.com> Quoting BT (tobytoo@black-hole.com): > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my > nic cards, the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > Apu wrote: > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I > > observed that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > > called them they I think you missed the point. It looks like this cable company is detected more then 1 IP allocated to his link, so they are blocking it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 01:07:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22673] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:05:04AM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001016010749.F16799@real-time.com> Quoting BT (tobytoo@black-hole.com): > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my > nic cards, the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > Apu wrote: > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I > > observed that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > > called them they I think you missed the point. It looks like this cable company is detected more then 1 IP allocated to his link, so they are blocking it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 16 01:22:12 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> BT, Approximately how much do you think would cost me to get a router and hub runnig ? How many IP addresses can I have ? BT wrote: > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my nic cards, > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > Apu wrote: > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > > top of $50). > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > > somewhere else? > > > > Apu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 16 01:13:08 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22673] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <20001016010749.F16799@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:07:49AM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <20001016010749.F16799@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001016011308.Q9238@ringworld.org> Which cable ISP is this? If its TimeWarner, you get 5 IP's with your standard service. With Mediaone, its one ip, delegated from their DHCP server. IMO, run a NAT box for either. * Bob Tanner [001016 01:08]: > Quoting BT (tobytoo@black-hole.com): > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my > > nic cards, the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I > > > observed that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > > > called them they > > > > I think you missed the point. It looks like this cable company is detected more > then 1 IP allocated to his link, so they are blocking it. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How many IP addresses can I have ? Why pay anything when linux can do it by itself? Unless you are (gasp!) running Windoze and brain sucking the TCLUG for idea. Do we need to strip Ben of his title? :-) Using your existing linux box and another nic card you can get the functionality of the netgear router for $30 (cost of a nic card). I assume you already have a hub since you have multi computers, if not, you can use a twist cable between your linuxbox and it's new nic card and your other machine. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 16 06:05:57 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22677] Temporary failure in name resolution Message-ID: <39EAE115.8469CED0@fandre.com> I'm getting a Temporary failure in name resolution error when I try to ssh or telnet to another box on my local home network. (ftp works fine) And it's only when I connect to the machines on my local network. I can connect to anything outside my network without a problem. I'm running debian woody with a local DNS server for my internel network. All my RH boxes work fine, but none of my debian woody boxes work. Is this a problem with debian woody? I tried putting the host/address in /etc/hosts and that didn't help. I can connect with the IP address just fine. Anyone got a clue? ac:/home/cfandre# ssh carter ssh: carter: Temporary failure in name resolution ac:/home/cfandre# --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From okeefe at sistina.com Mon Oct 16 06:32:36 2000 From: okeefe at sistina.com (Matt Okeefe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22678] [Fwd: TCSA meeting October 19] In-Reply-To: <39EAE1B1.36113499@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:08:33AM -0500 References: <39EAE1B1.36113499@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001016063236.C10846@mail.sistina.com> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:08:33AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > For all of you that missed the talk on GFS a few months ago, here's your > second change. All TCLUG members are invited to this TCSA meeting this > Thursday night. Seating might be limited, so you should probably get > there a little early. There is more information about the GFS project (a cluster file system for Linux) on the Web at www.sistina.com/gfs > > And for all of you beer drinkers, the TCSA usually goes out for a few > afterwards. Free beer, courtesy of Sistina Software. Hope you all can make it. Ken Preslan will be at the TCSA meeting as well; he is the lead developer for GFS. Matt O'Keefe Sistina Software, Inc. > > Dave Bianchi wrote: > > > > The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to > > discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in > > the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to > > the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ > > > > TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. > > > > Next Meeting: > > > > Topic: GFS and Linux Storage Clustering > > Speaker: Matthew T. O'Keefe, Sistina Software > > Date/Time: October 19, 2000 7:00 pm > > Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) > > > > Synopsis: > > > > The Global File System (GFS) is a shared disk cluster file > > system for Linux. GFS supports journaling and recovery > > from client failures. GFS cluster nodes physically share > > the same storage by means of Fibre Channel or shared SCSI > > devices. The file system appears to be local on each node > > and GFS synchronizes file access across the cluster. GFS > > is fully symmetric, that is, all nodes are equal and there > > is no server which may be a bottleneck or single point of > > failure. GFS uses read and write caching while maintaining > > full UNIX file system semantics. > > > > This talk will describe GFS and how it can be used to build > > storage clusters based upon shared storage, and the impact > > of storage clustering on application-level web and file > > services. > > > > More information about GFS can be found at > > http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ > > > > About the Speaker: > > > > Matthew O'Keefe received his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering > > from Purdue University in 1990. He taught and performed > > research in storage systems and simulation at the University > > of Minnesota until 2000, when he founded Sistina Software, a > > company specializing in Linux storage management software. > > > > We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), > > 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of > > the building. > > > > Tentative Meeting Schedule > > > > November 16, 2000 LISA paper preview, Steven Levy > > December 21, 2000 Cancelled > > January 18, 2001 LISA 2000 Highlights > > > > Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): > > > > The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 > > University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal > > building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are > > distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza > > is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car > > Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and > > University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. > > > > - From the South (35W) > > > > Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in > > the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. > > Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, > > proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > > > - From the North (35W) > > > > Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on > > Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. > > Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > > > - From the West (94/394) > > > > Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far > > left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on > > Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed > > 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > > > - From the East (94) > > > > Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 > > exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto > > University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your > > right. > > > > - Parking > > > > Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in > > front of the building along University Ave. > > > > - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/about_offices_upp.html > > > > For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: > > > > http://www.tcsa.org/ > > > > To subscribe to the TCSA mailing list (from a Unix system): > > > > echo "subscribe tcsa" | mailx majordomo@tcsa.org > > > > For any other information, please send email to: > > > > info@tcsa.org > > > > or contact: > > > > Dave Bianchi 651-644-7843 > > > > -- > > Dave Bianchi Collective Technologies > > djb@colltech.com A Pencom Company > > djb@tc.umn.edu http://www.colltech.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 16 06:33:47 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: yep.. that's normal for cable modems.. you have 3 choices: #1: buy the IP from them.. (don't do it) #2: setup a linux machine to do IP_MASQ #3: purchase a dedicated NAT box from compUSA.. netgear box for $150 Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Apu wrote: > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > top of $50). > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > somewhere else? > > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 16 06:37:10 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22673] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <20001016010749.F16799@real-time.com> Message-ID: actualy bob.. this is AT&T/mediaone cable that does this.. (timewarner just uses DHCP, you can take as many IP's as you want) and it's actualy just picking the mac address, and only leting one at a time go through.. (with some 5 min timeout or something) this is the way it works, last i checked.. (i know it works for one-way like this.. but i forget how 2 way works... i thought i remember having to register our mac address) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting BT (tobytoo@black-hole.com): > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my > > nic cards, the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I > > > observed that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > > > called them they > > > > I think you missed the point. It looks like this cable company is detected more > then 1 IP allocated to his link, so they are blocking it. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Oct 16 06:56:56 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22682] OpenBsd question answered Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ED9F@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Openbsd is on Solaris. You can find out about it on their site in FAQ. I thought it was weird when I first discovered netcraft too. 8.18 - Why does www.openbsd.org run on Solaris? Although none of the developers think it is particularly relevent, this question comes up frequently enough in the mailling lists that it is answered here. www.openbsd.org and the main OpenBSD ftp site are hosted at a SunSITE at the University of Alberta, Canada. These sites are hosted on a large Sun system, which has access to lots of storage space and Internet bandwidth. The presence of the SunSITE gives the OpenBSD group access to this bandwidth. This is why the main site runs here. Many of the OpenBSD mirror sites run OpenBSD, but since they do not have guaranteed access to this large amount of bandwidth, the group has chosen to run the main site at the University of Alberta SunSITE. [Back to Main Index] [To Section 7.0 - Keyboard controls] [ -----Original Message----- From: Jon Erickson [mailto:jon.erickson@neicoltech.org] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:57 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22594] StarOffice source released > > Here's a kicker though: > > www.openbsd.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 > mod_perl/1.21 on > > Solaris 2/7 > > interesting. still, take a look at this: > http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html > > netcrafts results are not guaranteed to be correct. :) > > can someone who understands this stuff better than myself poke at it, and > see if netcraft is right? Not sure if Netcraft is right but using OS fingerprinting in nmap, I got the same results (OS only). > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 16 07:16:02 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Add a NIC to 1 machine and have it do NAT for the 2nd one. Everything will appear to come from the 1st machine. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Apu wrote: > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > top of $50). > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > somewhere else? > > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 16 07:19:32 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my nic cards, > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > Apu wrote: > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > > top of $50). > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > > somewhere else? > > > > Apu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Oct 16 07:23:54 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39EAF35A.93AD641F@black-hole.com> My Router cost me $149 at compusa, the reason for the hub is the netgear RT311 has only 1 output port, since I already had a hub. I know there are routers out there with up to 5 outputs and they run about $179 or so. Not sure on the price of hubs but it shouldn't be over $30-$40 for a 10T 5 port hub, so it's your call on whether you go a multi port router or router hub setup. Apu wrote: > BT, > Approximately how much do you think would cost me to get a router and hub runnig ? How many > IP addresses can I have ? > > BT wrote: > > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my nic cards, > > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > > > top of $50). > > > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > > > somewhere else? > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Oct 16 07:27:59 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <20001016013041.H16799@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39EAF44F.CBC23832@black-hole.com> I'm running dual boot and no more room in my box for another card, besides it was quick, easy, and I had extra money, I don't get to say that very often. I need to build a new box, I'm thinking dual PIII this time, unless I can find a quad board. Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Apu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu): > > BT, Approximately how much do you think would cost me to get a router and hub > > runnig ? How many IP addresses can I have ? > > Why pay anything when linux can do it by itself? > > Unless you are (gasp!) running Windoze and brain sucking the TCLUG for idea. > > Do we need to strip Ben of his title? :-) > > Using your existing linux box and another nic card you can get the functionality > of the netgear router for $30 (cost of a nic card). I assume you already have a > hub since you have multi computers, if not, you can use a twist cable between > your linuxbox and it's new nic card and your other machine. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 16 08:09:22 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question References: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> <001e01c036cc$1c6e68c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39EA69D5.6E188ACB@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <002201c03772$4df95840$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> That is not rolling your own RPM - that is rerolling somebody elses RPM. I believe the question was how to roll your own. What is the point of recompiling somebody elses RPM other than optimizations? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Go visit http://www.rpm.org and take a look around. This is not a trivial > > process, and it involves creating a spec file and a sample build. I have > > Yes it is a trivial process since since 2.x .spec files seem to be > standard out of the box, as well as src.rpms. Grab the src.rpm and 'rpm > --rebuild openssh-2.2.0p1-2.src.rpm' > > ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/rpm/openssh-2.2.0p1-2. src.rpm > > You'll need OpenSSL installed before you can compile OpenSSH. Get that > at: > > http://www.openssl.org/source/ > > rpm -tb should work on it... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 16 08:11:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003901c03772$97419170$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> either set up a box that runs NAT with two network cards, or go with DSL that allows multiple static IP addresses - or pay the $15 per month extra :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apu" To: Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > top of $50). > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > somewhere else? > > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 16 08:12:44 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22673] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <20001016010749.F16799@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004a01c03772$c5db31d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I think this guys router runs DHCP - so he is only using 1 IP address. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22673] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > Quoting BT (tobytoo@black-hole.com): > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my > > nic cards, the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I > > > observed that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > > > called them they > > > > I think you missed the point. It looks like this cable company is detected more > then 1 IP allocated to his link, so they are blocking it. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 16 08:17:19 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <20001016013041.H16799@real-time.com> <39EAF44F.CBC23832@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <007b01c03773$6a2f10d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Wait for the dual Athlons :) Should be anytime now. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" To: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > I'm running dual boot and no more room in my box for another card, besides it was > quick, easy, and I had extra money, I don't get to say that very often. I need to > build a new box, I'm thinking dual PIII this time, unless I can find a quad board. > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Apu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu): > > > BT, Approximately how much do you think would cost me to get a router and hub > > > runnig ? How many IP addresses can I have ? > > > > Why pay anything when linux can do it by itself? > > > > Unless you are (gasp!) running Windoze and brain sucking the TCLUG for idea. > > > > Do we need to strip Ben of his title? :-) > > > > Using your existing linux box and another nic card you can get the functionality > > of the netgear router for $30 (cost of a nic card). I assume you already have a > > hub since you have multi computers, if not, you can use a twist cable between > > your linuxbox and it's new nic card and your other machine. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From btpier at visi.com Mon Oct 16 08:30:19 2000 From: btpier at visi.com (Bryce T. Pier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <20001012015749.G32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000501c03775$3b4a4bc0$6400000a@tarenth> How about exmh (www.beedub.com/exmh)? It's not nearly as GUI as outlook, eduora, etc. but it's written in TK/TCL and has a lot of nice features. I've been running exmh on my old sparc2 at work for 3-4 years and it's been wonderful. I was getting 300+ messages a day for a while and it handled it well. -- Bryce T. Pier btpier@visi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client > > > What are some of the better (best?) GUI mail clients for > linux these days? > > I was an elm, now mutt fan, so I have not done much with the > GUI mail clients. > > Any recommendations? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Oct 16 08:31:59 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <007b01c03773$6a2f10d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:17:19AM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <20001016013041.H16799@real-time.com> <39EAF44F.CBC23832@black-hole.com> <007b01c03773$6a2f10d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <20001016083159.A16065@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Heh. They've been saying that since last fall. That new Mamba thing Micron came up with looks kick-ass though... I want dual Athlons bad... Gabe On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:17:19AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Wait for the dual Athlons :) Should be anytime now. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross." - John Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 16 08:44:02 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <20001016013041.H16799@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39EB0622.8DBF3DC2@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > Using your existing linux box and another nic card you can get the functionality > of the netgear router for $30 (cost of a nic card). I assume you already have a > hub since you have multi computers, if not, you can use a twist cable between > your linuxbox and it's new nic card and your other machine. >> Yes bob I was thinking about it. ! but not sure how to set it up. Apu > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 16 08:36:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <20001016013041.H16799@real-time.com> <39EAF44F.CBC23832@black-hole.com> <007b01c03773$6a2f10d0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> <20001016083159.A16065@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00ad01c03776$1b156730$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Ahh ... but they just demonstrated a dual-Athlon system last week or so. It should be stablizing and we should see a board soon if all goes well. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > Heh. They've been saying that since last fall. That new Mamba thing > Micron came up with looks kick-ass though... I want dual Athlons bad... > > Gabe > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:17:19AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Wait for the dual Athlons :) Should be anytime now. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of > the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross." > > - John Adams > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gone2pot at ispchannel.com Mon Oct 16 09:00:28 2000 From: gone2pot at ispchannel.com (Ken Russell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22695] Samba Error Message-ID: <39EB09FC.25B29261@ispchannel.com> Wow, "touch /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK" worked like a champ. Thank you very much Kelly!!! R/ Ken Russell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Oct 16 10:05:20 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001016095640.00a2dda0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> I'd just like to say that I think Saturday's Installfest was a great success. I'd like to personally thank everyone who attended, whether they came bearing help or questions. As usual, I learned a fair number of useful things, and I don't that I am alone in this. I also enjoyed the opportunity to meet a new batch of TCLUGers f2f. (Ben's?) in-dash MP3 player was perhaps my technological highlight of the day, and has provided me with some inspiration to build a dedicated MP3 playing system for my home. See the next post for more on the MP3 project... Thanks again, and see you all at the next meeting and/or Installfest! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 16 10:09:36 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001016095640.00a2dda0@pop.mpls.uswest.net>; from blayer@uswest.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:05:20AM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20001016095640.00a2dda0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001016100936.R9238@ringworld.org> http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ * Bill Layer [001016 10:08]: > I'd just like to say that I think Saturday's Installfest was a great > success. I'd like to personally thank everyone who attended, whether they > came bearing help or questions. As usual, I learned a fair number of useful > things, and I don't that I am alone in this. I also enjoyed the opportunity > to meet a new batch of TCLUGers f2f. (Ben's?) in-dash MP3 player was > perhaps my technological highlight of the day, and has provided me with > some inspiration to build a dedicated MP3 playing system for my home. See > the next post for more on the MP3 project... > > Thanks again, and see you all at the next meeting and/or Installfest! > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ > > * Bill Layer [001016 10:08]: > > I'd just like to say that I think Saturday's Installfest was a great > > success. I'd like to personally thank everyone who attended, whether they > > came bearing help or questions. As usual, I learned a fair number of useful > > things, and I don't that I am alone in this. I also enjoyed the opportunity > > to meet a new batch of TCLUGers f2f. (Ben's?) in-dash MP3 player was > > perhaps my technological highlight of the day, and has provided me with > > some inspiration to build a dedicated MP3 playing system for my home. See > > the next post for more on the MP3 project... > > > > Thanks again, and see you all at the next meeting and/or Installfest! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 16 10:25:25 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success References: <4.2.2.20001016095640.00a2dda0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <20001016100936.R9238@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <39EB1DE5.BF0880EC@ltiflex.com> Scott Dier wrote: > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/images/20001015-set1_10_800x600.jpg Sure, you can fix a broken link in mailman in 20 seconds but do you take to time to simply rotate a freaking picture so I don't have to hurt my neck? Nooooo! -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 16 10:35:17 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: <20001016100936.R9238@ringworld.org> References: <4.2.2.20001016095640.00a2dda0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <20001016100936.R9238@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <971710517.39eb203579d08@www.fandre.com> Quoting Scott Dier : > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ What type of MP3 player is that, and where can I get one? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 16 10:37:22 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: <971710517.39eb203579d08@www.fandre.com> References: <4.2.2.20001016095640.00a2dda0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <20001016100936.R9238@ringworld.org> <971710517.39eb203579d08@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <971710642.39eb20b23f39c@www.fandre.com> Quoting Clay Fandre : > Quoting Scott Dier : > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ > > What type of MP3 player is that, and where can I get one? Nevermind. http://www.empeg.com/ Are there any other car MP3 players worth looking into? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 16 10:41:30 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: <39EB1DE5.BF0880EC@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:25:25AM -0500 References: <20001016100936.R9238@ringworld.org> <39EB1DE5.BF0880EC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001016104130.T9238@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [001016 10:26]: > Scott Dier wrote: > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/images/20001015-set1_10_800x600.jpg > > Sure, you can fix a broken link in mailman in 20 seconds but do you take to > time to simply rotate a freaking picture so I don't have to hurt my neck? > Nooooo! Yeah, someone needs to mod GPhoto's UI to provide for a tag-for-postprocessing thing. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001016/4c511ada/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Oct 16 10:38:53 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net> The elegance of the in-dash MP3 player has finally pushed me over the edge, and I feel the need to join the ranks of MP3 listening geeks worldwide. (A personal note, this is extremely irregular for me, I am a dyed-in-the-wool analog nerd - my stereo has 30 vacuum tubes, and NO transistors anywhere... also, no CD player; I still use a magnetic phonograph as my source). But I digress.... I'm looking for a mini-distro that will work as a dedicated MP3 player - kind of an "instant MP3 player, just add your own kernel" approach. I'm initially discounting the UMSDOS approach, as it is generally considered an inferior filesystem - but might there be some speed advantages to using a DOS or FAT32 filesystem for a dedicated MP3 system? What about defragmenting DOS / FAT32 filesystems under linux? I would expect the player to be controlled from a simple telnet (or SSH? you tell me the advantages / disadvantages of either approach) and possibly a dumb terminal running on a serial port. In this way, the player could be commanded from any machine on my LAN (read: in my house), or from the terminal. I suppose an IRDA port on the machine, and a generic remote-control might also be a very nice feature to implement... So my first questions are, does such a distro already exist? It seems like everything needed would fit on several floppies... What sort of Linux software exists for 'jukebox' type MP3 playing, from the command line? For managing all of the MP3 files? Has someone else already done this, such that I can just focus on my hardware issues and not ask any more questions about software or OS? On the subject of hardware, have there been any A/B listening tests of various soundcard's audio quality? Are there any true "high end" soundcards - meaning cards that use film caps instead of electrolytics, low noise / low inductance resistors, low-noise op-amps, extra EMF / RF shielding, decent design & metallurgy in the audio connectors etc ? Finally, does anyone have a mini-case upon which I can start the hardware portions of this project? It will need space for a CD-ROM and at least 2 ISA slots - to take the soundcard and NIC. Onboard video would be fine. 1 Serial port is also a requirement. From what I gather, I should not need more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. I have _plenty_ of good stuff to trade for the right case combo. I would appreciate any comments on using a portion of RAM as a RAMdisk to act as a playback 'queue' to prevent drop-outs during disk access. Sorry this post got long, thanks for the bandwidth, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 16 10:51:04 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22704] empeg/mp3 players (was installfest) In-Reply-To: <971710642.39eb20b23f39c@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: hehe.. i take it you saw the price list.. yes, there are a couple other projects, and some commercial ones. (for car stereo) Rockford (or was it pioneer) has a in-dash mp3 jukebox, based on a 8 slot smartmedia reader.. i think it's lame as hell. Aiwa has a indash MP3-CD player.. havn't heard good or bad about it yet.. there are a couple other custom-made type empeg competitors.. but they use stuff like ESS sound chips, and other low-end hardware. if you want more info on the empeg.. just email me. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting Clay Fandre : > > > Quoting Scott Dier : > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ > > > > What type of MP3 player is that, and where can I get one? > > Nevermind. > > http://www.empeg.com/ > > Are there any other car MP3 players worth looking into? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 16 10:58:23 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: there are some projects out there allready for this kind of project.. i saw one on /. the other day.. you are going to need more CPU time for decoding, especialy if you want to make the system skip-proof. rumor has it.. the empeg guys are doing a home-stereo thing. things you should consider.. atleast a p200 CPU or equivilent.. you may want to display output on a TV set, and consider consumer IR (normal home remotes) for controlers. there are several web-based playlist managers, that would work for web-based controls. (and you could do such a thing on the TV set) depending on what you do.. high end sound cards will cost you a bundle.. I suggest providing SPIDIF output, PC hardware has too much noise in it.. when i had a PC attached to my stereo system, i used an optical cable, and a coax-digital cable from it to play mp3's (optical) and DVD's (coax) to my yamaha reciver, which has the DAC's in it.. it sounded very nice, no 60hz buz, or other wierd things.. i've seen a lot of cheap to expensive soundcards that passthrough CPU noise, drive seeking, network traffic.. it can be REALLY anoying. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > The elegance of the in-dash MP3 player has finally pushed me over the edge, > and I feel the need to join the ranks of MP3 listening geeks worldwide. (A > personal note, this is extremely irregular for me, I am a dyed-in-the-wool > analog nerd - my stereo has 30 vacuum tubes, and NO transistors anywhere... > also, no CD player; I still use a magnetic phonograph as my source). > > But I digress.... > > I'm looking for a mini-distro that will work as a dedicated MP3 player - > kind of an "instant MP3 player, just add your own kernel" approach. I'm > initially discounting the UMSDOS approach, as it is generally considered an > inferior filesystem - but might there be some speed advantages to using a > DOS or FAT32 filesystem for a dedicated MP3 system? What about > defragmenting DOS / FAT32 filesystems under linux? > > I would expect the player to be controlled from a simple telnet (or SSH? > you tell me the advantages / disadvantages of either approach) and possibly > a dumb terminal running on a serial port. In this way, the player could be > commanded from any machine on my LAN (read: in my house), or from the > terminal. I suppose an IRDA port on the machine, and a generic > remote-control might also be a very nice feature to implement... > > So my first questions are, does such a distro already exist? It seems like > everything needed would fit on several floppies... What sort of Linux > software exists for 'jukebox' type MP3 playing, from the command line? For > managing all of the MP3 files? Has someone else already done this, such > that I can just focus on my hardware issues and not ask any more questions > about software or OS? > > On the subject of hardware, have there been any A/B listening tests of > various soundcard's audio quality? Are there any true "high end" soundcards > - meaning cards that use film caps instead of electrolytics, low noise / > low inductance resistors, low-noise op-amps, extra EMF / RF shielding, > decent design & metallurgy in the audio connectors etc ? > > Finally, does anyone have a mini-case upon which I can start the hardware > portions of this project? It will need space for a CD-ROM and at least 2 > ISA slots - to take the soundcard and NIC. Onboard video would be fine. 1 > Serial port is also a requirement. From what I gather, I should not need > more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. I have > _plenty_ of good stuff to trade for the right case combo. I would > appreciate any comments on using a portion of RAM as a RAMdisk to act as a > playback 'queue' to prevent drop-outs during disk access. > > Sorry this post got long, thanks for the bandwidth, > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 16 11:06:21 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22706] Installafest Message-ID: I to want to thank everyone who took me under their wing and gave me guidance. TCLUG has alot of talented and brillant members. I had alot of fun and it was great meeting new people. Lastly, how do I become a member? Hopefully, no weird innitation rights... Thanks, Chris Opp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 16 06:08:33 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22678] [Fwd: TCSA meeting October 19] Message-ID: <39EAE1B1.36113499@fandre.com> For all of you that missed the talk on GFS a few months ago, here's your second change. All TCLUG members are invited to this TCSA meeting this Thursday night. Seating might be limited, so you should probably get there a little early. And for all of you beer drinkers, the TCSA usually goes out for a few afterwards. Dave Bianchi wrote: > > The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to > discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in > the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to > the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ > > TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. > > Next Meeting: > > Topic: GFS and Linux Storage Clustering > Speaker: Matthew T. O'Keefe, Sistina Software > Date/Time: October 19, 2000 7:00 pm > Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) > > Synopsis: > > The Global File System (GFS) is a shared disk cluster file > system for Linux. GFS supports journaling and recovery > from client failures. GFS cluster nodes physically share > the same storage by means of Fibre Channel or shared SCSI > devices. The file system appears to be local on each node > and GFS synchronizes file access across the cluster. GFS > is fully symmetric, that is, all nodes are equal and there > is no server which may be a bottleneck or single point of > failure. GFS uses read and write caching while maintaining > full UNIX file system semantics. > > This talk will describe GFS and how it can be used to build > storage clusters based upon shared storage, and the impact > of storage clustering on application-level web and file > services. > > More information about GFS can be found at > http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ > > About the Speaker: > > Matthew O'Keefe received his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering > from Purdue University in 1990. He taught and performed > research in storage systems and simulation at the University > of Minnesota until 2000, when he founded Sistina Software, a > company specializing in Linux storage management software. > > We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), > 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of > the building. > > Tentative Meeting Schedule > > November 16, 2000 LISA paper preview, Steven Levy > December 21, 2000 Cancelled > January 18, 2001 LISA 2000 Highlights > > Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): > > The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 > University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal > building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are > distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza > is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car > Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and > University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. > > - From the South (35W) > > Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in > the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. > Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, > proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > - From the North (35W) > > Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on > Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. > Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > - From the West (94/394) > > Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far > left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on > Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed > 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > - From the East (94) > > Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 > exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto > University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your > right. > > - Parking > > Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in > front of the building along University Ave. > > - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/about_offices_upp.html > > For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: > > http://www.tcsa.org/ > > To subscribe to the TCSA mailing list (from a Unix system): > > echo "subscribe tcsa" | mailx majordomo@tcsa.org > > For any other information, please send email to: > > info@tcsa.org > > or contact: > > Dave Bianchi 651-644-7843 > > -- > Dave Bianchi Collective Technologies > djb@colltech.com A Pencom Company > djb@tc.umn.edu http://www.colltech.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Oct 16 11:14:42 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest In-Reply-To: ; from cop7586@hotmail.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:06:21AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001016111442.C16065@sorry.cs.umn.edu> There is no membership, per se. If you're on the list and participate, I'd consider you a member. Gabe On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:06:21AM -0500, Chris Opp wrote: > > I to want to thank everyone who took me under their wing and gave me > guidance. TCLUG has alot of talented and brillant members. I had alot of fun > and it was great meeting new people. Lastly, how do I become a member? > Hopefully, no weird innitation rights... > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross." - John Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 11:27:00 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22704] empeg/mp3 players (was installfest) In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:51:04AM -0500 References: <971710642.39eb20b23f39c@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001016112700.A4961@yahoo.com> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:51:04AM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > hehe.. i take it you saw the price list.. yes, there are a couple other > projects, and some commercial ones. (for car stereo) > > Rockford (or was it pioneer) has a in-dash mp3 jukebox, based on a 8 slot > smartmedia reader.. i think it's lame as hell. > > Aiwa has a indash MP3-CD player.. havn't heard good or bad about it yet.. > Kenwood also has one. Before too long most of the big names will probably have one. Most of the big name stereo companies' mp3 players seem to be based on CD-R's. I'm still not sure which I like better, the CD-R route or the harddrives. (the empeg uses laptop harddrives) Tim > there are a couple other custom-made type empeg competitors.. but they use > stuff like ESS sound chips, and other low-end hardware. > > if you want more info on the empeg.. just email me. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Quoting Clay Fandre : > > > > > Quoting Scott Dier : > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/installfest/ > > > > > > What type of MP3 player is that, and where can I get one? > > > > Nevermind. > > > > http://www.empeg.com/ > > > > Are there any other car MP3 players worth looking into? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From okeefe at sistina.com Mon Oct 16 06:32:36 2000 From: okeefe at sistina.com (Matt Okeefe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22678] [Fwd: TCSA meeting October 19] In-Reply-To: <39EAE1B1.36113499@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:08:33AM -0500 References: <39EAE1B1.36113499@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001016063236.C10846@mail.sistina.com> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:08:33AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > For all of you that missed the talk on GFS a few months ago, here's your > second change. All TCLUG members are invited to this TCSA meeting this > Thursday night. Seating might be limited, so you should probably get > there a little early. There is more information about the GFS project (a cluster file system for Linux) on the Web at www.sistina.com/gfs > > And for all of you beer drinkers, the TCSA usually goes out for a few > afterwards. Free beer, courtesy of Sistina Software. Hope you all can make it. Ken Preslan will be at the TCSA meeting as well; he is the lead developer for GFS. Matt O'Keefe Sistina Software, Inc. > > Dave Bianchi wrote: > > > > The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to > > discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in > > the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to > > the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ > > > > TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. > > > > Next Meeting: > > > > Topic: GFS and Linux Storage Clustering > > Speaker: Matthew T. O'Keefe, Sistina Software > > Date/Time: October 19, 2000 7:00 pm > > Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) > > > > Synopsis: > > > > The Global File System (GFS) is a shared disk cluster file > > system for Linux. GFS supports journaling and recovery > > from client failures. GFS cluster nodes physically share > > the same storage by means of Fibre Channel or shared SCSI > > devices. The file system appears to be local on each node > > and GFS synchronizes file access across the cluster. GFS > > is fully symmetric, that is, all nodes are equal and there > > is no server which may be a bottleneck or single point of > > failure. GFS uses read and write caching while maintaining > > full UNIX file system semantics. > > > > This talk will describe GFS and how it can be used to build > > storage clusters based upon shared storage, and the impact > > of storage clustering on application-level web and file > > services. > > > > More information about GFS can be found at > > http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ > > > > About the Speaker: > > > > Matthew O'Keefe received his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering > > from Purdue University in 1990. He taught and performed > > research in storage systems and simulation at the University > > of Minnesota until 2000, when he founded Sistina Software, a > > company specializing in Linux storage management software. > > > > We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), > > 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of > > the building. > > > > Tentative Meeting Schedule > > > > November 16, 2000 LISA paper preview, Steven Levy > > December 21, 2000 Cancelled > > January 18, 2001 LISA 2000 Highlights > > > > Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): > > > > The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 > > University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal > > building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are > > distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza > > is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car > > Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and > > University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. > > > > - From the South (35W) > > > > Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in > > the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. > > Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, > > proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > > > - From the North (35W) > > > > Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on > > Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. > > Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > > > - From the West (94/394) > > > > Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far > > left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on > > Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed > > 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. > > > > - From the East (94) > > > > Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 > > exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto > > University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your > > right. > > > > - Parking > > > > Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in > > front of the building along University Ave. > > > > - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/about_offices_upp.html > > > > For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: > > > > http://www.tcsa.org/ > > > > To subscribe to the TCSA mailing list (from a Unix system): > > > > echo "subscribe tcsa" | mailx majordomo@tcsa.org > > > > For any other information, please send email to: > > > > info@tcsa.org > > > > or contact: > > > > Dave Bianchi 651-644-7843 > > > > -- > > Dave Bianchi Collective Technologies > > djb@colltech.com A Pencom Company > > djb@tc.umn.edu http://www.colltech.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 16 11:15:53 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22457] Switching Ethernet Cards In-Reply-To: <39E46D7C.70EDEDA8@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 08:39:08AM -0500 References: <39E46D7C.70EDEDA8@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001016111553.A13138@wookimus.net> On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 08:39:08AM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > No, my workstations at home are RedHat. I was just poking around to see > how they were setup. The laptop under discussion is Debian. First. Make sure you can get your card to work manually. Then, configure your pcmcia scripts in /etc/init.d/pcmcia to only start the card services but NOT initialize the eth0 device. Then, in /etc/network/interfaces add an entry for your eth0 card... # A snippet from the interfaces file... # # A PCMCIA ethernet DHCP client: # # iface eth0 inet dhcp # noauto # # (note, this won't work unless you specifically change the file # /etc/pcmcia/network to look more like: # # if [ -r ./shared ] ; then . ./shared ; else . /etc/pcmcia/shared ; fi # get_info $DEVICE # case "$ACTION" in # 'start') # /sbin/ifup $DEVICE # ;; # 'stop') # /sbin/ifdown $DEVICE # ;; # esac # exit 0 # # This works fine for the author, but isn't a supported configuration) Debian has gone to using "ifup" and "ifdown" to enable and disable your ethernet and networking devices. Read up on these tools. Walk through the init scripts so you understand what's happening. If you learn anything in working with any Linux system, you'll learn how to read bash scripts. ;-) See also: interfaces(5), ifup(8), ifdown(8), /etc/init.d/networking, /etc/network/*, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-[txt|html]/NET3-HOWTO.[txt|html].gz, ../etc... -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Oh wait, that's the procedure for watching TPM isn't it? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 16 11:18:47 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest In-Reply-To: <20001016111442.C16065@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Gabe, you forgot to tell him about the shaving cream and eggs... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > There is no membership, per se. If you're on the list and participate, I'd > consider you a member. > > Gabe > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:06:21AM -0500, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > I to want to thank everyone who took me under their wing and gave me > > guidance. TCLUG has alot of talented and brillant members. I had alot of fun > > and it was great meeting new people. Lastly, how do I become a member? > > Hopefully, no weird innitation rights... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris Opp > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of > the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross." > > - John Adams > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 12:00:47 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net>; from blayer@uswest.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:38:53AM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001016120047.B9419@real-time.com> > I'm looking for a mini-distro that will work as a dedicated MP3 player - > kind of an "instant MP3 player, just add your own kernel" approach. there have been a few such things on Freshmeat. I know I saw mention of a single-floppy distro like that. here's a few relevant links I found (but haven't looked at, so /caveat emptor/). http://freshmeat.net/projects/irmp3/ http://freshmeat.net/projects/moof/ Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Mon Oct 16 12:12:46 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (drew@usfamily.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22704] empeg/mp3 players (was installfest) Message-ID: <200010161717.e9GHHJj10086@sprite.real-time.com> If anyone cares Apex makes a DVD/MP3 player, (all those mp3s youre storing on cd's right now can be played by this thing) Last time I checked Best Buy had them for $180. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 16 12:20:22 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off Message-ID: Whenever you see that much packet loss on a local network, it's usually mismatched duplex. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:20 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with my nic cards, > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > Apu wrote: > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently I observed > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called them they > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is kinda high on > > top of $50). > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better service from > > somewhere else? > > > > Apu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 16 12:26:43 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net>; from blayer@uswest.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:38:53AM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20001016122643.H6930@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:38:53AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > From what I gather, I should not need > more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. A data point for you: I've built a MP3 jukebox out of a P100. Running mpg123 on the console (i.e., no X overhead) sucks ~20% CPU. I would suggest you consider a P60 or maybe a DX4/100 as you minimum hardware rather than going for the DX2/66. (The P100 is also capable of ripping/encoding new mp3s while playing without causing any skips in playback. Another nice feature you may want to have avaliable...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 16 12:30:43 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? Message-ID: I planned on making one for my car awhile back, the only thing stopping me was finding the lcd touchscreen that would fit in my dash for a decent price (8" diagonal). I planned on putting the touchscreen in the dash an mounting a small pc in the back with a radio card, gps, and the datalogger cable for my engine computer. I was going to do a gtk based interface with tabs at the top to switch between radio, mp3, gps, and engine stats (no engine programming though because the software for that is windows based). If anyone knows where I can get an active matrix 8" touchscreen, let me know. Dual scan would suck for a car because of the viewing angle, and when it's cold out you would be able to read it at all. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 10:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? there are some projects out there allready for this kind of project.. i saw one on /. the other day.. you are going to need more CPU time for decoding, especialy if you want to make the system skip-proof. rumor has it.. the empeg guys are doing a home-stereo thing. things you should consider.. atleast a p200 CPU or equivilent.. you may want to display output on a TV set, and consider consumer IR (normal home remotes) for controlers. there are several web-based playlist managers, that would work for web-based controls. (and you could do such a thing on the TV set) depending on what you do.. high end sound cards will cost you a bundle.. I suggest providing SPIDIF output, PC hardware has too much noise in it.. when i had a PC attached to my stereo system, i used an optical cable, and a coax-digital cable from it to play mp3's (optical) and DVD's (coax) to my yamaha reciver, which has the DAC's in it.. it sounded very nice, no 60hz buz, or other wierd things.. i've seen a lot of cheap to expensive soundcards that passthrough CPU noise, drive seeking, network traffic.. it can be REALLY anoying. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > The elegance of the in-dash MP3 player has finally pushed me over the edge, > and I feel the need to join the ranks of MP3 listening geeks worldwide. (A > personal note, this is extremely irregular for me, I am a dyed-in-the-wool > analog nerd - my stereo has 30 vacuum tubes, and NO transistors anywhere... > also, no CD player; I still use a magnetic phonograph as my source). > > But I digress.... > > I'm looking for a mini-distro that will work as a dedicated MP3 player - > kind of an "instant MP3 player, just add your own kernel" approach. I'm > initially discounting the UMSDOS approach, as it is generally considered an > inferior filesystem - but might there be some speed advantages to using a > DOS or FAT32 filesystem for a dedicated MP3 system? What about > defragmenting DOS / FAT32 filesystems under linux? > > I would expect the player to be controlled from a simple telnet (or SSH? > you tell me the advantages / disadvantages of either approach) and possibly > a dumb terminal running on a serial port. In this way, the player could be > commanded from any machine on my LAN (read: in my house), or from the > terminal. I suppose an IRDA port on the machine, and a generic > remote-control might also be a very nice feature to implement... > > So my first questions are, does such a distro already exist? It seems like > everything needed would fit on several floppies... What sort of Linux > software exists for 'jukebox' type MP3 playing, from the command line? For > managing all of the MP3 files? Has someone else already done this, such > that I can just focus on my hardware issues and not ask any more questions > about software or OS? > > On the subject of hardware, have there been any A/B listening tests of > various soundcard's audio quality? Are there any true "high end" soundcards > - meaning cards that use film caps instead of electrolytics, low noise / > low inductance resistors, low-noise op-amps, extra EMF / RF shielding, > decent design & metallurgy in the audio connectors etc ? > > Finally, does anyone have a mini-case upon which I can start the hardware > portions of this project? It will need space for a CD-ROM and at least 2 > ISA slots - to take the soundcard and NIC. Onboard video would be fine. 1 > Serial port is also a requirement. From what I gather, I should not need > more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. I have > _plenty_ of good stuff to trade for the right case combo. I would > appreciate any comments on using a portion of RAM as a RAMdisk to act as a > playback 'queue' to prevent drop-outs during disk access. > > Sorry this post got long, thanks for the bandwidth, > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 16 12:32:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? Message-ID: I have a P90 toshiba laptop, and it won't play mp3's at all, even just using mpg123 from the console. Get yourself a used emachine for $100 and strip the guts out of it and put them in a smaller case. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:38:53AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > From what I gather, I should not need > more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. A data point for you: I've built a MP3 jukebox out of a P100. Running mpg123 on the console (i.e., no X overhead) sucks ~20% CPU. I would suggest you consider a P60 or maybe a DX4/100 as you minimum hardware rather than going for the DX2/66. (The P100 is also capable of ripping/encoding new mp3s while playing without causing any skips in playback. Another nice feature you may want to have avaliable...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 16 13:02:24 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22533] GUI mail client In-Reply-To: <20001012015749.G32750@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:57:49AM -0500 References: <20001012015749.G32750@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001016130224.B13138@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:57:49AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What are some of the better (best?) GUI mail clients for linux these > days? I was an elm, now mutt fan, so I have not done much with the > GUI mail clients. > > Any recommendations? Actually, I'm a nmh fan myself, an implementation of RAND MH. mh exemplifies one of the very basic principles of UNIX programming: "Everything is a filter." [1] It separates well the meat of the program and it's separate functions into shell executable commands. You simply do not need a UI to access and manipulate your email. The beauty of this approach in application design is that you can create any type of front end that you'd like. All the front end needs to do is provide a more user friendly interface to the shell commands. Currently, there are a number of front ends you could use: mh-e Emacs mode for mh mail xmh X11 client exmh X11 client There a MUA's that use the mh mail format, but do not require the mh mail tools to use them, probably designed for backwards compability (although, I think mh mail is as applicable today as it was when first implemented). mutt We know this wonderful curses based email client XFMail X-Forms (X11) client Personally, I like storing my email in mh format, using the mh tools when I'm in a pinch or don't feel like entring a GUI, or want to do some powerful string searching (See pick(8)). I use mutt for my everyday interface, and if I want to go GUI, I'll use XFMail. exmh is nice, but a bit cryptic to set up. Have fun! REFERENCES ---------- [1] Gancarz, M., "The UNIX Philosophy" (ISBN 1555581234) http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=4BQE1DQWL8&mscssid=2E32BW9RRSK49LQ9M41QT4DB1FJU1RE8&isbn=1555581234 -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so, just forget that I ever brought this up, it's all a dream. Chris Opp >From: Adam Maloney >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:18:47 -0500 (CDT) > >Gabe, you forgot to tell him about the shaving cream and eggs... > >Adam Maloney >Systems Administrator >Sihope Communications > >On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > There is no membership, per se. If you're on the list and participate, >I'd > > consider you a member. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:06:21AM -0500, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > I to want to thank everyone who took me under their wing and gave me > > > guidance. TCLUG has alot of talented and brillant members. I had alot >of fun > > > and it was great meeting new people. 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Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 16 13:41:01 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, we forced it down to half duplex at 10base and it still was problematic. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Whenever you see that much packet loss on a local network, it's usually > mismatched duplex. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:20 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an > ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as > their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We > opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with > my nic cards, > > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently > I observed > > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called > them they > > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is > kinda high on > > > top of $50). > > > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better > service from > > > somewhere else? > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 16 13:42:34 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22704] empeg/mp3 players (was installfest) In-Reply-To: <200010161717.MAA21142@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: I have one of these (the non-modifiable ones). For the price it's decent. It has a real problem reading disks that are just slightly dirty (more of a problem then your typical DVD player, that is...) I wanted a DVD player but I don't have an extreme home theatre setup yet, so I decided I'd buy a cheap one and when I had a good receiver, speakers, and TV I'd buy a much better one. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 drew@usfamily.net wrote: > If anyone cares Apex makes a DVD/MP3 player, (all those mp3s youre storing on cd's right now can be played by this thing) Last time I checked Best Buy had them for $180. > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 16 13:52:00 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EAF35A.93AD641F@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 07:23:54AM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <39EAF35A.93AD641F@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001016135200.C13138@wookimus.net> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 07:23:54AM -0500, BT wrote: > My Router cost me $149 at compusa, the reason for the hub is the > netgear RT311 has only 1 output port, since I already had a hub. I > know there are routers out there with up to 5 outputs and they run > about $179 or so. Not sure on the price of hubs but it shouldn't be > over $30-$40 for a 10T 5 port hub, so it's your call on whether you > go a multi port router or router hub setup. [1] Drive to Dexis. [2] Go into the back room. Pick up a 486DX33/66. $30-35 Included with mine was one ISA nic and a 250MB HD [3] Buy a cheap 10BaseT ISA NIC $5-15 [4] Download Debian floppy iso's. Make boot and driver floppies. [5] Plug in 468. Insert floppy. Install Debian base system. [6] Reboot [7] apt-get install ipmasq apt-get install ssh [8] Add this line to your lilo.conf append "ether=0x280,9,eth0 ether=0x300,10,eth1" [9] Run lilo [10] Edit your /etc/network/interfaces file # External iface eth0 inet dhcp # Internal iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.254 network 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 [11] Reboot (so that your nics can be recognized) [12] Plug in cable modem ethernet crossover to external NIC. Plug in ethernet cable to hub on internal NIC. Unplug monitor, keyboard, etc. [13] SSH into the box for administration. Have fun! ** Excluded were some details on choosing correct device modules or compiling a monolithic kernel. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your tinfoil solution just isn't cutting it. :) -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:41 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off No, we forced it down to half duplex at 10base and it still was problematic. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Whenever you see that much packet loss on a local network, it's usually > mismatched duplex. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:20 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an > ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as > their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We > opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with > my nic cards, > > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but recently > I observed > > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I called > them they > > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which is > kinda high on > > > top of $50). > > > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a better > service from > > > somewhere else? > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 16 14:15:11 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, I told them that if they brought in a 486 or better I'd install FleeBSD on it and have it be a router/firewall, but they decided to go with the "better" $5000 solution with a Compaq server and MS Proxy. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I can sell you some magic packet aligner power magnets for only $99.95. > Just wear them on your ethernet cable. Your tinfoil solution just isn't > cutting it. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:41 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > No, we forced it down to half duplex at 10base and it still was > problematic. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Whenever you see that much packet loss on a local network, it's usually > > mismatched duplex. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:20 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > > > > How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an > > ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as > > their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We > > opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > > > > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with > > my nic cards, > > > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but > recently > > I observed > > > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > called > > them they > > > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which > is > > kinda high on > > > > top of $50). > > > > > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a > better > > service from > > > > somewhere else? > > > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 16 14:17:53 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: Message-ID: <019a01c037a5$c922b380$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Sometimes the people with the money are not comfortable unless they are spending a lot of money - if it doesn't cost alot - it just can't be good :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > No, I told them that if they brought in a 486 or better I'd install > FleeBSD on it and have it be a router/firewall, but they decided to go > with the "better" $5000 solution with a Compaq server and MS Proxy. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I can sell you some magic packet aligner power magnets for only $99.95. > > Just wear them on your ethernet cable. Your tinfoil solution just isn't > > cutting it. :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:41 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > > > > No, we forced it down to half duplex at 10base and it still was > > problematic. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > Whenever you see that much packet loss on a local network, it's usually > > > mismatched duplex. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:20 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > > > > > > > How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an > > > ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as > > > their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We > > > opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > > > > > > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with > > > my nic cards, > > > > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but > > recently > > > I observed > > > > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > > called > > > them they > > > > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which > > is > > > kinda high on > > > > > top of $50). > > > > > > > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a > > better > > > service from > > > > > somewhere else? > > > > > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 16 14:54:15 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off Message-ID: This reminds me of a little story. A company that we work with also housed some of our employees out in California, and some of our remote offices VPN'd into them, and got internet access through some terrible NT proxies. One was a Netscrape proxy and the other was a MS proxy. The netscape proxy was the only one that would handle socks5 ftp programs properly, but it bluescreened about 6 times a day. And the MS-proxy machine would crash at least once a day. Alot of our people had to upload time sensitive video files to our site. I whacked up a linux box and installed squid and dante, gave it the same IP as the netscape proxy, and had one of our guys sneak it into the server room and secretly replace the netscape proxy. It was originally meant for about 10 people to use, but almost every employee of the other company started using it, over 500 of them. There were constanly over 300 ESTABLISHED connections to the box at any one time. Never ever had a problem with it, over 300 days of uptime before they took it down. They tried to block Napster because it was using so much bandwidth and they couldn't figure out how it was still getting through because they blocked it at their proxy. They finally figured out no one was using the crappy MS proxy. It took them over a month to get all of the employees switched back to their proxy before they could remove mine. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:15 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off No, I told them that if they brought in a 486 or better I'd install FleeBSD on it and have it be a router/firewall, but they decided to go with the "better" $5000 solution with a Compaq server and MS Proxy. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I can sell you some magic packet aligner power magnets for only $99.95. > Just wear them on your ethernet cable. Your tinfoil solution just isn't > cutting it. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:41 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > No, we forced it down to half duplex at 10base and it still was > problematic. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Whenever you see that much packet loss on a local network, it's usually > > mismatched duplex. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:20 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off > > > > > > How is that working for you? One of the tenants in our building bought an > > ethernet connection to us, and they're using a Netgear ethernet router as > > their gateway. I kid you not, the thing drops every other packet. We > > opened a dos prompt on their win server and ran a ping, 50% packet loss. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, BT wrote: > > > > > I picked up a netgear Gateway Router box and a net hub, got the hub with > > my nic cards, > > > the router lets use as many boxes as I want. > > > > > > Apu wrote: > > > > > > > I used to run two boxes using cable modem and a small hub, but > recently > > I observed > > > > that I cannot use them both at the same time for internet. When I > called > > them they > > > > told me that I have to purchase another IP for $15 per month. (which > is > > kinda high on > > > > top of $50). > > > > > > > > Anyone has any good suggestion for me, how to make this work or a > better > > service from > > > > somewhere else? > > > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Mon Oct 16 15:07:26 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest Message-ID: <683A64D6893A4D115A050005B80A9E19@minibiker.prontomail.com> Chris Opp...were you the college guy that sat next to me that was a Mandrake fan? If so, are you really going to dump Mandrake, or keep it? It looked like Mandrake was very user/newbie friendly, and came with lots of software. Just wondering :D (i was the 15yr old kid w/caldera at the IF) -Blake ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mauvehead at nerp.net Mon Oct 16 15:24:27 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (nate) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest References: <683A64D6893A4D115A050005B80A9E19@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: <39EB63FB.84BD9D85@nerp.net> I'm running Mandrake 7.1 on my laptop right now. I'm getting ready to drop it for Slackware which I ran long ago. Mandrake works nice for newbies but I find I run into errors trying to compile anything.. It's been ok, but if you actually try to do anything it just spits at you. I like slackware for workstations and debian for my servers. I'm a debian converted freak thanks to Ben. But I say give it a shot and see if you like it. Blake wrote: > > Chris Opp...were you the college guy that sat next to me that was a Mandrake fan? If so, are > you really going to dump Mandrake, or keep it? It looked like Mandrake was very user/newbie > friendly, and came with lots of software. Just wondering :D (i was the 15yr old kid w/caldera at > the IF) > -Blake > -- mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 16 15:25:43 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest Message-ID: Yep, that was me. Since the meeting I have been heavily pondering upgrading to slackware and being cool like everyone else. I kind of got the impression that my distro was not so good by watching people expression when I tell them what i run. Chris Opp >From: "Blake" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:26 -0500 > >Chris Opp...were you the college guy that sat next to me that was a >Mandrake fan? If so, are >you really going to dump Mandrake, or keep it? It looked like Mandrake was >very user/newbie >friendly, and came with lots of software. Just wondering :D (i was the 15yr >old kid w/caldera at >the IF) >-Blake > >______________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Mon Oct 16 15:17:55 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22731] My computer Status (or lack thereof) Message-ID: Well, for anyone that wanted to know the status on my computer (Scott) heres what I left the IF with: /dev/hda1 - Windows, was reformatted (at the IF). Will mount in Linux, but will not show the information on the disc. Will not boot. /dev/hda5 - Fat32 partition. MP3's and Programs I would like to retrieve. Mounts and shows up in Linux only. /dev/hdb1 - Linux Native partition. Boots. /dev/hdb5 - Linux Swap. Works. Now, I either need to get my burner working in Linux (I have caldera, which comes with kburn) [how do I recompile the kernel for 'generic scsi emulation'?!] or get SAMBA working so I can transfer my MP3's and programs to my 233, which I am writing this on. If I reinstall Windows 98 on /dev/hda, it will take over my MBR, which has LILO on it. Ask me for more details if you need them to help me out. PLEASE HELP ME! -Blake- ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 16 15:35:25 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off References: Message-ID: <39EB668D.13C7F042@ltiflex.com> You should check out the Netmax suite to pacify the NT proxy folks. (http://www.netmax.com) Pick your flavor: Linux or FreeBSD What you're really paying for is "we tweaked it for maximum security" and the tasty web interfaces. I've never used any of them myself, but the web interfaces look good, and those NT folks should "get it." Anybody used something from the Netmax line? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 16 16:21:39 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22704] empeg/mp3 players (was installfest) In-Reply-To: <200010161717.MAA12010@chef.nerp.net> Message-ID: yep.. i have one.. it's very pathetic when it comes to mp3 playing.. tho it doesn't sound bad Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 drew@usfamily.net wrote: > If anyone cares Apex makes a DVD/MP3 player, (all those mp3s youre storing on cd's right now can be played by this thing) Last time I checked Best Buy had them for $180. > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Oct 16 16:26:58 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22706] Installafest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > I kind of got the impression that my distro was not so good by > watching people expression when I tell them what i run. What other people think of your distro doesn't matter. If your distro does what you need it to do, then you should be happy with it. I'm a Red Hat user myself, used to run Slack in the early days (1993). I catch hell from people all the time who think Red Hat is for lamers. We all have our opinions, I guess...my box does what I need, so I'm content. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brandon at rhinoventures.com Mon Oct 16 18:25:44 2000 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <019a01c037a5$c922b380$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39EB4828.19110.125311D@localhost> That's the Apple Macintosh philosophy.... :-) On 16 Oct 2000, at 14:17, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Sometimes the people with the money are not comfortable unless they are > spending a lot of money - if it doesn't cost alot - it just can't be good :) > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brandon at rhinoventures.com Mon Oct 16 18:38:38 2000 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22736] Mandrake... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <39EB4B2E.12352.130FF8C@localhost> Well I guess I'm not cool. But if being cool depends on what distribution of Linux I install and use, I'd rather be red hot any day of the week. I like Mandrake but I've used RedHat and SuSE in the past. I like them all, but I do admire Mandrake making an effort to make hardware detection and setup easier. One thing about Mandrake is that it does like to install a bunch of crud on your machine (I only need the ONE newsreader thank you very much). You're the one who is going to be using the machine, so install what you feel comfortable with ... and believe me, that will change in 6-12 months when it comes to Linux :-) On 16 Oct 2000, at 15:25, Chris Opp wrote: > Yep, that was me. Since the meeting I have been heavily pondering upgrading to > slackware and being cool like everyone else. I kind of got the impression that > my distro was not so good by watching people expression when I tell them what > i run. Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 19:29:44 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22737] volume control under KDE/linux Message-ID: <20001016192944.N9419@real-time.com> I installed KDE on my parents' machine, and dad discovered the CD player software (dunno exactly what software it is, I never touch KDE). however, if he turns the volume control on it all the way up, it's still pretty faint. does KDE have anything equivalent to Windows' volume control? I've always had a mechanical volume knob of some sort on my sound card/speakers; usually set to "off", so I've never had to learn how to deal with volume control under linux. ;> it needs to be as GUI as possible, too; because my dad barely understands the concept of logging on. anything involving typing more than one command is probably going to be too much. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Mon Oct 16 19:42:23 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22737] volume control under KDE/linux References: <20001016192944.N9419@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000501c037d3$1d3df240$2410020a@winona.msus.edu> Under one of the Menus in the Start Bar(for lack of a better word), there is a mixer or something like that(kind of like the little horn for volume control under windows). This needs to be set to full volume, everything is set to 50% by default. Hope that kinda helps, and yes its graphical, its under the start bar/button/whatever you want to call it. Justin Cook http://kde.themes.org mailto:jsc@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22737] volume control under KDE/linux > I installed KDE on my parents' machine, and dad discovered the CD player > software (dunno exactly what software it is, I never touch KDE). however, > if he turns the volume control on it all the way up, it's still pretty faint. > does KDE have anything equivalent to Windows' volume control? > I've always had a mechanical volume knob of some sort on my sound > card/speakers; usually set to "off", so I've never had to learn how to deal > with volume control under linux. ;> > > it needs to be as GUI as possible, too; because my dad barely understands > the concept of logging on. anything involving typing more than one command > is probably going to be too much. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 16 20:27:28 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A Message-ID: <39EBAB00.6CCEB448@innominatus.com> Sorry for the "not exactly linux" post. But anyone know of a local vendor that carries Supermicro 760A cases? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Mon Oct 16 20:32:50 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:10:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A In-Reply-To: <39EBAB00.6CCEB448@innominatus.com> Message-ID: I would assume Tran & General Nano both carry it. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 16 20:34:58 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A References: Message-ID: <39EBACC2.95091237@innominatus.com> I checked both sites and they didnt have it listed. But I could be wrong. Scott wrote: > I would assume Tran & General Nano both carry it. > > Scott > -- ossuary.net -- > "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cgahlon at citilink.com Mon Oct 16 20:37:48 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A References: <39EBAB00.6CCEB448@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39EBAD6C.24851621@citilink.com> Try here. 6th one down on the list $201. http://www.aestechnology.com/products/cases.html Chris Gahlon Jason J wrote: > Sorry for the "not exactly linux" post. But anyone know of a local > vendor that carries Supermicro 760A cases? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 21:00:09 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22743] Star Office 5.2 Message-ID: <20001016210009.C12646@real-time.com> Anyone able to get Star Office 5.2 to print? Printing to a printer or file generates a vary large .ps file, but it's just blank. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 21:36:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <39EB668D.13C7F042@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:35:25PM -0500 References: <39EB668D.13C7F042@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001016213604.P9419@real-time.com> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:35:25PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > You should check out the Netmax suite to pacify the NT proxy folks. > (http://www.netmax.com) Pick your flavor: > Linux or FreeBSD > > What you're really paying for is "we tweaked it for maximum security" and > the tasty web interfaces. I've never used any of them myself, but the web > interfaces look good, and those NT folks should "get it." > > Anybody used something from the Netmax line? yep. set up a fileserver once for a customer. I can't say it's all bad; they do have a web-based interface for just about anything you want to do /with the supplied software/. I don't remember if the web interface uses SSL; I don't think so. to their compliment, they do have a (apparently) decent tape backup system included. it doesn't support anything other than SCSI tape drives out of the box; but with some knowlege and command-line tweaking, IDE tape drives can be supported as well. they have a package system, which is sort of "rpms writ large"... they bundle a lot of things together into upgrade packages. there are security updates listed on their web site; but they aren't very up to date. (that said, they're better than nothing). security-wise; they're nothing spectacular. they leave piles of unnecessary services open, just like redhat. (which is probably where it comes from). I believe there's some degree of X interface; but since the box we installed it on had an unsupported chipset at the time (intel 810); I never bothered to try it. mind you, I was working on a fileserver rather than a firewall. YMMV. as for the web interface itself, I think it's very clunky and not very intuitive. it might be easier to pick up than a command line, for those who are afraid to learn text commands; but it's far from being pretty or quick. (and it's a rather hideous shade of green). take a look at the online demo to see for yourself. they also do some wierd things with user accounts. it's not trivial to go from web-management to command-line management. I remember having problems changing user passwords on the command line (they aren't written to /etc/passwd by default; only if you give them shell access as well). user directories are under /var/ as well (buried a few layers deeper than strictly necessary, too). so yes, it's a decent tool for newbies to use; but not at all a good place to learn about linux. Also, it's like most other GUI-fied interfaces; if stuff breaks, you're in trouble. (that said, it looked fairly idiot-resistant). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Oct 16 21:45:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? References: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39EBBD64.4738098B@tcfreenet.org> Suppose I'll reveal my plans for my DEC Multia based car MP3 Player.. > kind of an "instant MP3 player, just add your own kernel" approach. I'm > initially discounting the UMSDOS approach, as it is generally considered an > inferior filesystem - but might there be some speed advantages to using a > DOS or FAT32 filesystem for a dedicated MP3 system? What about > defragmenting DOS / FAT32 filesystems under linux? UMSDOS is slower than snot. e2fs is far faster. And ReiserFS is even faster and does journaling, thus will be more resilient to being abruptly shut off... Too bad Reiserfs doesn't seem to be Alpha friendly yet. There is no reason to use FAT unless you're using DOS. ;) > I would expect the player to be controlled from a simple telnet (or SSH? > you tell me the advantages / disadvantages of either approach) and possibly > a dumb terminal running on a serial port. In this way, the player could be > commanded from any machine on my LAN (read: in my house), or from the > terminal. I suppose an IRDA port on the machine, and a generic > remote-control might also be a very nice feature to implement... Multia's have built in serial, ethernet and whatnot. I can plug it in to the LAN or serial console to a laptop as wanted. I'll be investing in Wavelan and CDPD soon as I'm rich and famous. And maybe a GPS reciever... Hmm, how to keep it powered when the car is off... > So my first questions are, does such a distro already exist? It seems like > everything needed would fit on several floppies... What sort of Linux > software exists for 'jukebox' type MP3 playing, from the command line? For > managing all of the MP3 files? Has someone else already done this, such > that I can just focus on my hardware issues and not ask any more questions > about software or OS? I'm using debian potato at the moment, debating an upgrade to Woody. I plan to make use of runlevels, a default one that boots the yet to be written jukebox system as fast as possible, and a when-not-in-the-car one that will startup networking, sshd and all that good stuff. I still want to have a full Linux setup, for future expantion. ;) (Imagine a road trip, a Multia loaded with a CDPD modem in one PCMCIA slot, Wavelan in the other, a hub hooked up to the ethernet, and all passengers with laptops...) > On the subject of hardware, have there been any A/B listening tests of > various soundcard's audio quality? Are there any true "high end" soundcards > - meaning cards that use film caps instead of electrolytics, low noise / > low inductance resistors, low-noise op-amps, extra EMF / RF shielding, > decent design & metallurgy in the audio connectors etc ? Multia's outputs are kinda noisy, turning down the damn line input certainly helps things. Cars are noisy anyway, and so's my wonderful stock audio system. The audio will tie in via a tape adapter... > Finally, does anyone have a mini-case upon which I can start the hardware > portions of this project? It will need space for a CD-ROM and at least 2 > ISA slots - to take the soundcard and NIC. Onboard video would be fine. 1 > Serial port is also a requirement. From what I gather, I should not need Multia's are small. Everything you could want built in, SCSI, IDE, Serial, parallel, audio, ethernet, a PCI slot, two PCMCIA. Only thing missing is a CDROM. I aquired a 12x SCSI cdrom at the computer sale, which will be its primary storage medium initally, and will still be useful for loading new songs on via CDRW if I ever decide to tack a nice big HD onto it. Right now its booting off the stock 300mb laptop SCSI HD... Primary user interface will be via a laptop keypad attachment, and audio cues, (Speech synthesis?) similar to the Knight Rider mp3 player. http://knightrider.linuxave.net/ Initally visual display will be forgone due to cost, unless maybe running a small 9in POS (As in Point of Sale. ;) display via an inverter proves viable. Or maybe LCD... I plan to develop the UI myself in C, making use of SDL, SDL_mixer and SMPEG. SMPEG plays mp3's using about 30% CPU time on the Multia. (166mhz 21064) Having all the hard stuff already written for you is nice. ;) I can't get mpg123 to compile right for Alpha so screw it. ;P Electrical engineering peoples, how would I measure how many watts my Multia draws? I have a mulimeter and no idea how to use it for such a task. Suppose I can just dig up a spec sheet somewhere. Using an inverter would be the easiest thing, but maybe I'll build a DC-DC converter later on... > more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. I have Way too slow. A 486-100 can just barely play mp3, using 100% CPU time, and thats using integer math, which degrades quality quite a bit. You want something P-100ish or better. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 16 21:42:32 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <20001016135200.C13138@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:52:00PM -0500 References: <39EA82DC.EC8E8130@tc.umn.edu> <39EA9A90.C9684BC8@black-hole.com> <39EA9E93.EFB1CF3B@tc.umn.edu> <39EAF35A.93AD641F@black-hole.com> <20001016135200.C13138@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20001016214232.Q9419@real-time.com> > [1] Drive to Dexis. > [2] Go into the back room. Pick up a 486DX33/66. $30-35 > Included with mine was one ISA nic and a 250MB HD I bought a stack of 486/33SXs at gov't auction for $3-10 ea. I still have a few of them. if anyone asks nicely, I'm willing to give them away (since they're mostly just taking up space in my living room right now). not sure how many I have, nor how much memory they have, and no guarantee that they won't go "snap crackle pop" when you plug them in; but hopefully they'll do someone more good than myself. :) if there's interest, I'll bring some to the next TCLUG meeting. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 07:27:24 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A In-Reply-To: <39EBAB00.6CCEB448@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:27:28PM -0500 References: <39EBAB00.6CCEB448@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001017072724.A18598@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ah, such a sweet case. The 760A is probably one of the greatest cases I have ever seen, as far as roomy-ness and easy-of-maintenence. Gabe On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:27:28PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Sorry for the "not exactly linux" post. But anyone know of a local > vendor that carries Supermicro 760A cases? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 07:31:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A In-Reply-To: <39EBAD6C.24851621@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:37:48PM -0500 References: <39EBAB00.6CCEB448@innominatus.com> <39EBAD6C.24851621@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20001017073141.B18598@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:37:48PM -0500, Christopher Gahlon wrote: > Try here. 6th one down on the list $201. > > http://www.aestechnology.com/products/cases.html > > Chris Gahlon > This is local? Their address says they're in Austin, TX. Also, $201 is a lot more than one needs to spend for the 760A. www.mwave.com has it for $152 and they're usually middle-of-the-road as far as PC-part prices go. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From btpier at visi.com Tue Oct 17 07:36:39 2000 From: btpier at visi.com (Bryce T. Pier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: <971710642.39eb20b23f39c@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <000001c03836$e5f80500$6400000a@tarenth> >Are there any other car MP3 players worth looking into? Yup! Check out the Neo 35 player. Comes with a computer bay and a car bay. For a few bucks more it comes with a stereo system bay as well. And it runs linux. http://www.twomobile.com/new_080900_neo35.html http://www.dallas.net/dereks/neofaq/ http://www.ssi.com.tw/8pdindex.htm I have a link a work that seemed to have the best price. I'll send it as well if I can find it. -- Bryce T. Pier btpier@visi.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Tue Oct 17 07:47:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22739] Supermicro 760A In-Reply-To: <20001017073141.B18598@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > This is local? Their address says they're in Austin, TX. Also, $201 is a > lot more than one needs to spend for the 760A. www.mwave.com has it for > $152 and they're usually middle-of-the-road as far as PC-part prices go. They can be found as cheap as $140, but note also that shipping alone goes $15-30, and somehow that seems to scale inversely with the price you actually pay for the case. Andy > > Gabe > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 17 08:18:42 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22743] Star Office 5.2 In-Reply-To: <20001016210009.C12646@real-time.com> Message-ID: hrm.. i have users printing with staroffice 5.2 all the time.. what printers did you set in spadmin? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone able to get Star Office 5.2 to print? > > Printing to a printer or file generates a vary large .ps file, but it's just > blank. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 17 08:19:54 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22743] Star Office 5.2 References: <20001016210009.C12646@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39EC51FA.A10EA3DD@ltiflex.com> Have you configured your printer with the printer setup thingy? Yes, they decided to reinvent the wheel for printing. At least Applixware is find with lpr. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Tue Oct 17 10:08:17 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22753] Measuring power consumption (was MP3 player) In-Reply-To: References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> The multimeter will do just fine but you will have to play one trick or another to make the necessary series connection with the power cord to measure current draw.. I have a special, short extension cord that has one conductor broken so that the meter may be inserted in series with the loop. Set the meter for the current scale and measure the current draw with the device powered on. Then, keeping the device powered on, set the meter for an AC RMS voltage scale and measure the supply voltage at the wall - it's not wise to estimate, as AC mains voltages can be anywhere between 109 and 126VAC - with 117 being nominal. Once you know current and RMS supply voltage, power (wattage) calculation is this easy: P = E * I (Where P is power (in watts), E is energy (in volts) and I is current (in amperes)) I should mention that most all (even inexpensive) meters automatically give AC voltage readings in RMS - so don't get too concerned about this issue. If the meter doesn't say otherwise, it's giving the reading in RMS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 17 10:47:59 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22737] volume control under KDE/linux In-Reply-To: <000501c037d3$1d3df240$2410020a@winona.msus.edu>; from jcook@k-lug.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 07:42:23PM -0500 References: <20001016192944.N9419@real-time.com> <000501c037d3$1d3df240$2410020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20001017104759.X9419@real-time.com> > Under one of the Menus in the Start Bar(for lack of a better word), there is > a mixer or something like that(kind of like the little horn for volume > control under windows). This needs to be set to full volume, everything is > set to 50% by default. > > Hope that kinda helps, and yes its graphical, its under the start > bar/button/whatever you want to call it. ok. thanks. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 17 10:51:06 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22753] Measuring power consumption (was MP3 player) In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: why not just use an inductive curent meter? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > The multimeter will do just fine but you will have to play one trick or > another to make the necessary series connection with the power cord to > measure current draw.. I have a special, short extension cord that has one > conductor broken so that the meter may be inserted in series with the loop. > > Set the meter for the current scale and measure the current draw with the > device powered on. Then, keeping the device powered on, set the meter for > an AC RMS voltage scale and measure the supply voltage at the wall - it's > not wise to estimate, as AC mains voltages can be anywhere between 109 and > 126VAC - with 117 being nominal. Once you know current and RMS supply > voltage, power (wattage) calculation is this easy: > > P = E * I (Where P is power (in watts), E is energy (in volts) and I is > current (in amperes)) > > I should mention that most all (even inexpensive) meters automatically give > AC voltage readings in RMS - so don't get too concerned about this issue. > If the meter doesn't say otherwise, it's giving the reading in RMS. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Oct 17 11:00:32 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22753] Measuring power consumption (was MP3 player) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh yeah, I've got one right here... Incidentally, Radio Shack has a nice little pocket meter that runs about $20. From memory it does AC/DC voltage, impedance, and continuity. It's pocket-sized, very good stocking stuffer. As I remember they go on sale every year just before christmas. I carry it around in my backpack (along with my Slackware install disks and CD) for those emergency situations where lives depend on having a multi-meter close by. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > why not just use an inductive curent meter? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > > > The multimeter will do just fine but you will have to play one trick or > > another to make the necessary series connection with the power cord to > > measure current draw.. I have a special, short extension cord that has one > > conductor broken so that the meter may be inserted in series with the loop. > > > > Set the meter for the current scale and measure the current draw with the > > device powered on. Then, keeping the device powered on, set the meter for > > an AC RMS voltage scale and measure the supply voltage at the wall - it's > > not wise to estimate, as AC mains voltages can be anywhere between 109 and > > 126VAC - with 117 being nominal. Once you know current and RMS supply > > voltage, power (wattage) calculation is this easy: > > > > P = E * I (Where P is power (in watts), E is energy (in volts) and I is > > current (in amperes)) > > > > I should mention that most all (even inexpensive) meters automatically give > > AC voltage readings in RMS - so don't get too concerned about this issue. > > If the meter doesn't say otherwise, it's giving the reading in RMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 17 10:58:21 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com> I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a Linux based X-Windows applications server. What are people out there using? Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about the groups personal experiences and opinions. Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient admin crap to do... We all have our dreams... Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 12:07:54 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:58:21AM -0500 References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001017120754.A6961@yahoo.com> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:58:21AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a > Linux based X-Windows applications server. > > What are people out there using? > > Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. > > How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? > Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? > > I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about > the groups personal experiences and opinions. > > Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock > my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to > the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient > admin crap to do... > > We all have our dreams... > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Check out NetApps. They're pretty cool. Kinda on the pricy side though. If you're going for reliability and performance I'd say it's pretty tough to beat. As far as (more) economical solutions go a linux box with external RAID would proably be the next best thing. Or if not external at least with removable drive bays. I've seen/used machines with internal (screwed down) harddrives which I think defeats the purpose of RAID. I haven't used IDE RAID before but it might be worth checking out too. Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 17 11:55:07 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: my psudo co-worker is a fan of internal raid solutions, I'm a SCSI attached raid fan.. (i am working to get a $12k disk system for work to repace 10 old 512mb disks in an old unix box, no raid) I like the fact that I can attach disks to multiple hosts, and maybe even share data with GFS. :) and I can use any old controler.. mylex or adaptec, or whatever. internal raid is cool, because it's fairly fast, and really cheap.. SAN solutions are generaly slower, atleast in my opinion. if you look at internal, look at the mylex extreme raid boards.. i've heard good things about linux support Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a > Linux based X-Windows applications server. > > What are people out there using? > > Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. > > How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? > Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? > > I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about > the groups personal experiences and opinions. > > Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock > my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to > the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient > admin crap to do... > > We all have our dreams... > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 12:06:17 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <39EC8709.A08842EA@innominatus.com> In mailservers and high performance boxen I use ICP Vortex SCSI controllers with 4 drives, 1 hot swap and 3 RAID 5. Very Expensive. Then I use Escalade 6400 for IDE RAID. High performance from cheap drives. Both are linux compatible. Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a > Linux based X-Windows applications server. > > What are people out there using? > > Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. > > How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? > Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? > > I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about > the groups personal experiences and opinions. > > Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock > my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to > the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient > admin crap to do... > > We all have our dreams... > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 12:05:16 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00ELJ3E6RR@mail1.supervalu.com> If you want good internal SCSI RAID under Linux, go with anything Mylex. However, if you want good (cheap) internal IDE RAID under Linux, go with 3ware's Escalade 6xxx series. It's yummy. Nick ben@nerp.net, on 10/17/2000 11:55:07 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories my psudo co-worker is a fan of internal raid solutions, I'm a SCSI attached raid fan.. (i am working to get a $12k disk system for work to repace 10 old 512mb disks in an old unix box, no raid) I like the fact that I can attach disks to multiple hosts, and maybe even share data with GFS. :) and I can use any old controler.. mylex or adaptec, or whatever. internal raid is cool, because it's fairly fast, and really cheap.. SAN solutions are generaly slower, atleast in my opinion. if you look at internal, look at the mylex extreme raid boards.. i've heard good things about linux support Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a > Linux based X-Windows applications server. > > What are people out there using? > > Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. > > How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? > Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? > > I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about > the groups personal experiences and opinions. > > Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock > my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to > the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient > admin crap to do... > > We all have our dreams... > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 12:28:31 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <39EB4B2E.12352.130FF8C@localhost> Message-ID: My $0.02: I've also like Mandrake 7.x and have it installed on most of my machines. The installation program has a few quirks, and it can be a disk pig, but I like some of the default settings and features. Mandrake 7.1's ability to create and install onto a ReiserFS partition is especially convenient for laptops, which tend to be rebooted relatively frequently. However, I'm tempted to switch my server machines over to Debian Potato some day, now that it includes 2.2 kernel support. (I've been too busy/lazy to mess around with it until installation ISOs became easily available) Although Slackware was once my favorite, I haven't used it for years... Joel On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Brandon Freels wrote: > ... > I like Mandrake > ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 12:45:20 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <0G2L00ELJ3E6RR@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:05:16PM -0500 References: <0G2L00ELJ3E6RR@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001017124520.D18598@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > However, if you want good (cheap) internal IDE RAID under > Linux, go with 3ware's Escalade 6xxx series. It's yummy. > I'm planning on fiddling with IDE RAID a little. I was going to go with a Promise Fasttrack 100, but this has peaked my interest. Are the Escalades an internal RAID controller or an external RAID array? It wasn't clear from their site. Also, they didn't appear to support ATA/100 (well, they didn't mention it). Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 12:44:02 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22696] Installfest declared a success In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > I'm curious, I was driving home on Friday afternoon. I was in the lane to > enter 494 east (towards 35W) on France and I was behind someone in a newer > SUV/truck thingy with the plate "BNCHMRK" (or BENCHMRK or some > variation). Can I presume that's the proprietor of Benchmark computer? Next time, just hit them and find out. :P Phil M. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 12:49:09 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001016100534.00a2a100@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > On the subject of hardware, have there been any A/B listening tests of > various soundcard's audio quality? Are there any true "high end" soundcards > - meaning cards that use film caps instead of electrolytics, low noise / > low inductance resistors, low-noise op-amps, extra EMF / RF shielding, > decent design & metallurgy in the audio connectors etc ? Bill, I'd be happy to talk about more of these issues off list, but the bottom line is that the kind of differences in finesse performance that you're talking about will never be achieved by a sound card that has the D/A contained in the harsh RFI environment found inside a computer. If you want audiophile quality, put a spigot on the back and pipe your data to a properly built box, with all the analog electrical engineering you desire, but also with a properly done clock source -- ain't that easy to find cheap, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms to talk about. Phil Mendelsohn (The hacker formerly known as Chief Engineer of Hotdish Mastering) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 13:02:18 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00ELJ3E6RR@mail1.supervalu.com> <20001017124520.D18598@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39EC942A.4B611D5@innominatus.com> Fasttrak100 is a software raid controller, The software is on a chip on the card. It is not yet supported under linux for RAID. And no, there isnt a ATA/100 Escalade yet. dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > However, if you want good (cheap) internal IDE RAID under > > Linux, go with 3ware's Escalade 6xxx series. It's yummy. > > > > I'm planning on fiddling with IDE RAID a little. I was going to go with a > Promise Fasttrack 100, but this has peaked my interest. Are the Escalades > an internal RAID controller or an external RAID array? It wasn't clear > from their site. Also, they didn't appear to support ATA/100 (well, they > didn't mention it). > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Oct 17 13:01:13 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22767] Dead mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c03864$3ceb1be0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> I was using dselect the other day on my Debian potato box and accidentally removed the gpm package (lame, I know). Now my mouse doesn't work and I'm screwed cause it boots into X on startup. I booted into single user mode and re-installed gpm. The mouse functions properly when at the command line but as soon as I boot into X, the mouse won't work anymore. I'm not familiar with the mouse or X windows configuration files yet. Anyone have some suggestions? Thanks, Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 13:14:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <0G2L00FIG5ORSE@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500 References: <0G2L00FIG5ORSE@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001017131441.E18598@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > They're really cool... They look cool... > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > plenty good). It's completely internal. Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > SCSI drive. > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my machine? The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars 1 logical drive 2 logical partitions I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through offical 3ware resellers. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 17 13:17:53 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22767] Dead mouse References: <002001c03864$3ceb1be0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <39EC97D1.16E504BD@fruitioninc.com> I had a similar problem on my potato box...the only way I could get around it was to keep gpm installed but have the process stopped after booting and before botting into X. I don't know if anyone has a better solution.. ~jacque Jon Erickson wrote: > I was using dselect the other day on my Debian potato box and accidentally > removed the gpm package (lame, I know). Now my mouse doesn't work and I'm > screwed cause it boots into X on startup. I booted into single user mode > and re-installed gpm. The mouse functions properly when at the command line > but as soon as I boot into X, the mouse won't work anymore. I'm not > familiar with the mouse or X windows configuration files yet. Anyone have > some suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Jon > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Tue Oct 17 13:25:42 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22767] Dead mouse In-Reply-To: <39EC97D1.16E504BD@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: What version of x is on pertater? If it's older than 3.3.2 it might not work due to the gpm/x dealybob. 'gpm -t pnp -R' and setting the x config to use the mousesystems protocol and /dev/gpmdata would fix that up real goodlike. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 17 13:26:58 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... References: Message-ID: <39EC99F2.A9684135@ltiflex.com> > However, I'm tempted to switch my server machines over to Debian Potato > some day, now that it includes 2.2 kernel support. (I've been too > busy/lazy to mess around with it until installation ISOs became easily > available) Debian ISOs are easily available. Check out the psudo-image kit. dieman might have the iso's built on the real-time mirror, not sure. But with debian, you don't need the ISOs unless you have a slow connection. Even still, it will probally be faster to do a network install than to download the 3 iso images because 3 iso images are 650mb (well, max a cd can hold.) Typical debian install takes maybe 250mb of packages. Here's the thing with debian, when you first do your install, just get what you need right now! Then, create yourself a daily, weekly, whatever cron job. While you're sleeping, let the cron job dial up, run apt-get update, and then apt-get -d -y install package1 package2. In the morning, run apt-get install package1 package2 (leave out the -d [download only] and -y [answer yes] flags and you're all set. Do not use the -y flag when installing or your config files WILL be overwritten without prompting.) As for install, all you need is 3 floppies (5 is you have some stranger hardware.) Get the compact rescue, root, and driver disks. If you have the outlandish hardware, you will need the fill floppies (3 driver disks) That's it. From there you should have enough to dial up to the internet (or get on the net via ether, even through a proxy) and fetch the base2_2.tgz (which comes out to be about 13 floppies if you do the floppy install). Once the base is installed, it will kick you into tasksel or dselect. If you really want a minimal box, skip both and just use apt-get to fetch your packages. ISO is not the way to go! You will realize this, yes you will... Yes, there are some reasons to have an iso around. Rescue disk. If you need a bootable CD, get something really useful like the Linuxcare bootable business card ISO. It's still smaller than the debian set, and you can start a debian network install from it. Plus you get more rescue options than the debian iso's or rescue floppies. My $0.10, where's me $0.08 change? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 13:31:49 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00GB07EPNB@mail1.supervalu.com> Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and JBOD, I think. Nick Reinking dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > They're really cool... They look cool... > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > plenty good). It's completely internal. Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > SCSI drive. > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my machine? The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars 1 logical drive 2 logical partitions I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through offical 3ware resellers. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 13:53:33 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00GB07EPNB@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39ECA02D.79DFF319@innominatus.com> Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > JBOD, I think. > > Nick Reinking > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > They're really cool... > > They look cool... > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > SCSI drive. > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > machine? > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > 1 logical drive > 2 logical partitions > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > offical 3ware resellers. > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 14:12:06 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <0G2L00GB07EPNB@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:31:49PM -0500 References: <0G2L00GB07EPNB@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001017141206.A19726@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:31:49PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. Well, I'm apparently not up on my IDE spec... Why is that? > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. Right, but that's _per drive_... > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > JBOD, I think. RAID 5 would be nice, but I can live without. I'm primarily going for speed anyway. I think their RAID 1 would be sufficient for me, though it halfs my disk space, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'll have to get 8 drives then :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 14:14:45 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <39ECA02D.79DFF319@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:53:33PM -0500 References: <0G2L00GB07EPNB@mail1.supervalu.com> <39ECA02D.79DFF319@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001017141445.A19767@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:53:33PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > Yeah, I saw that on their page. WTF is RAID 10? They don't really explain what kind of disk configuration supports it. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 14:16:30 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. Nick jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > JBOD, I think. > > Nick Reinking > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > They're really cool... > > They look cool... > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > SCSI drive. > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > machine? > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > 1 logical drive > 2 logical partitions > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > offical 3ware resellers. > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Oct 17 14:28:34 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. My understanding was that the big disadvantage to IDE was that the controllers were 'dumb' ie the CPU had to do most of the IO work. Whereas SCSI takes the load off (as well as being faster, with more devices, and just plain cooler ;) Now with something like the Escalade that does hardware IDE RAID... who's doing the IO work? Is it still the CPU or does the card take over most of the responsibility? Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 14:37:10 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39ECAA66.9A3891AE@innominatus.com> No, RAID 10 is striped parity information. Similar to RAID 5 that has a dedicated drive for parity informaiton. RAID 10 stripes the parity across all drives. If one drive fails, the replacement drive is rebuilt with the parity info from the other drives. I think there is more performance than RAID 5. 0+1 is not 10. 0+1 is 2 drives striped, and 2 more mirroring the stripe. Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > Nick > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > JBOD, I think. > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > machine? > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > 1 logical drive > > 2 logical partitions > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > Gabe > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 14:31:43 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00I1YA7D3N@mail1.supervalu.com> Because when it says ATA/66, that means 66MB/sec maximum throughput per channel. Since there is only one IBM drive per channel, you're never going to hit 66MB/sec. The only real speed limitation in this case is the speed of the PCI bus - 133MB/sec. Nick Reinking dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 02:12:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:31:49PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. Well, I'm apparently not up on my IDE spec... Why is that? > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. Right, but that's _per drive_... > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > JBOD, I think. RAID 5 would be nice, but I can live without. I'm primarily going for speed anyway. I think their RAID 1 would be sufficient for me, though it halfs my disk space, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'll have to get 8 drives then :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 14:39:24 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39ECAAEC.7E09079B@innominatus.com> Terribly sorry sir. I am wrong on my last message. I am getting all confused. Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > Nick > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > JBOD, I think. > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > machine? > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > 1 logical drive > > 2 logical partitions > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > Gabe > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 14:41:23 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> <39ECAA66.9A3891AE@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39ECAB63.EBFBE155@innominatus.com> I am sorry about that, thats the difference from RAID 4 and 5, not 5 and 10. Jason J wrote: > No, RAID 10 is striped parity information. Similar to RAID 5 that has a dedicated > drive for parity informaiton. RAID 10 stripes the parity across all drives. If one > drive fails, the replacement drive is rebuilt with the parity info from the other > drives. I think there is more performance than RAID 5. > 0+1 is not 10. 0+1 is 2 drives striped, and 2 more mirroring the stripe. > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > > > Nick > > > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > > JBOD, I think. > > > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > > machine? > > > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > > 1 logical drive > > > 2 logical partitions > > > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > > > Gabe > > > -- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > > Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 14:38:51 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00IA2AI93N@mail1.supervalu.com> Ahh, coolness. In response to CPU Util, recently, IDE drives have had lower CPU util than SCSI (because of DMA). It's mostly a driver issue, and the amount of CPU util is just a few percent, anyways. However, software RAID will seriously hurt your CPU Util. The Escalade does the IDE RAID in hardware, so it only uses a few percent of CPU to do your RAIDness. Nick jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 02:37:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories No, RAID 10 is striped parity information. Similar to RAID 5 that has a dedicated drive for parity informaiton. RAID 10 stripes the parity across all drives. If one drive fails, the replacement drive is rebuilt with the parity info from the other drives. I think there is more performance than RAID 5. 0+1 is not 10. 0+1 is 2 drives striped, and 2 more mirroring the stripe. Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > Nick > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > JBOD, I think. > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > machine? > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > 1 logical drive > > 2 logical partitions > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > Gabe > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 14:40:20 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: ; from cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:28:34PM -0400 References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001017144020.B19767@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > My understanding was that the big disadvantage to IDE was that the > controllers were 'dumb' ie the CPU had to do most of the IO work. Whereas > SCSI takes the load off (as well as being faster, with more devices, and > just plain cooler ;) > > Now with something like the Escalade that does hardware IDE RAID... who's > doing the IO work? Is it still the CPU or does the card take over most of > the responsibility? > The co-processor on the controller is handling _most_ of the I/O. From what I read about the controller, it tries to keep load off the CPU by sending/reading as much data as possible from the main memory. Well, at least that's what it sounds like. Now, if they'de just make a hardware IDE controller with on-board SIMM or DIMM slots... heh.. What a mutant of a card that would be :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 14:40:46 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00ICKALA3N@mail1.supervalu.com> Ahh, whew. I thought I was losing my edge. :P Thats a relief to hear. :) Nick jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 02:41:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories I am sorry about that, thats the difference from RAID 4 and 5, not 5 and 10. Jason J wrote: > No, RAID 10 is striped parity information. Similar to RAID 5 that has a dedicated > drive for parity informaiton. RAID 10 stripes the parity across all drives. If one > drive fails, the replacement drive is rebuilt with the parity info from the other > drives. I think there is more performance than RAID 5. > 0+1 is not 10. 0+1 is 2 drives striped, and 2 more mirroring the stripe. > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > > > Nick > > > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > > JBOD, I think. > > > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > > machine? > > > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > > 1 logical drive > > > 2 logical partitions > > > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > > > Gabe > > > -- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > > Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 14:45:37 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00IJSATE3N@mail1.supervalu.com> I believe such beasts already exist, although I can't remember the name off the top of my head. Using DMA like that is pretty smoove, it's a good RAID controller. Nick dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 02:40:20 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > My understanding was that the big disadvantage to IDE was that the > controllers were 'dumb' ie the CPU had to do most of the IO work. Whereas > SCSI takes the load off (as well as being faster, with more devices, and > just plain cooler ;) > > Now with something like the Escalade that does hardware IDE RAID... who's > doing the IO work? Is it still the CPU or does the card take over most of > the responsibility? > The co-processor on the controller is handling _most_ of the I/O. From what I read about the controller, it tries to keep load off the CPU by sending/reading as much data as possible from the main memory. Well, at least that's what it sounds like. Now, if they'de just make a hardware IDE controller with on-board SIMM or DIMM slots... heh.. What a mutant of a card that would be :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 17 14:50:43 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22786] RAID levels (Was: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories) References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> <39ECAA66.9A3891AE@innominatus.com> <39ECAB63.EBFBE155@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39ECAD93.65D6AE92@ltiflex.com> First, to the tune of Mary Had a Little Lamb: Please remember to trim your posts, trim your posts, trim your posts. Please remember to trim your posts, or I will kick your ass. That said and done, some out there might just have an inkling of what RAID (Redundand Array of Inexpensive Disks) is but get totally confused with RAID levels. Maybe some don't know what RAID is at all, who knows. (There are more expansions to RAID, that just happened to be the first to come to mind.) Here's a page I found that has a decent description of RAID and RAID levels. http://www.acnc.com/raid.html -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 17 14:53:13 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00IA2AI93N@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39ECAE29.F366EA2E@structural-wood.com> Ok, time to veer this another direction (grin). When RAID controllers are writing to the drives, are they doing it in any standard fashion? For example, if I buy a Mylex Acceleraid 150, and in five years it burns out, will I need a Mylex Acceleraid 150 to read the data from the drives? Kent Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > Ahh, coolness. > > In response to CPU Util, recently, IDE drives have had > lower CPU util than SCSI (because of DMA). It's mostly > a driver issue, and the amount of CPU util is just a few > percent, anyways. > > However, software RAID will seriously hurt your CPU Util. > The Escalade does the IDE RAID in hardware, so it only > uses a few percent of CPU to do your RAIDness. > > Nick > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 02:37:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > No, RAID 10 is striped parity information. Similar to RAID 5 that has a > dedicated > drive for parity informaiton. RAID 10 stripes the parity across all drives. If > one > drive fails, the replacement drive is rebuilt with the parity info from the > other > drives. I think there is more performance than RAID 5. > 0+1 is not 10. 0+1 is 2 drives striped, and 2 more mirroring the stripe. > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > > > Nick > > > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > > JBOD, I think. > > > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com > wrote: > > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > > machine? > > > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > > 1 logical drive > > > 2 logical partitions > > > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > > > Gabe > > > -- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > > Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 15:22:22 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22786] RAID levels (Was: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories) References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> <39ECAA66.9A3891AE@innominatus.com> <39ECAB63.EBFBE155@innominatus.com> <39ECAD93.65D6AE92@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39ECB4FE.52D54ECF@innominatus.com> Redundant Array of "Independent" Disks Andy Zbikowski wrote: > First, to the tune of Mary Had a Little Lamb: > > Please remember to trim your posts, > trim your posts, trim your posts. > Please remember to trim your posts, > or I will kick your ass. > > That said and done, some out there might just have an inkling of what RAID > (Redundand Array of Inexpensive Disks) is but get totally confused with RAID > levels. Maybe some don't know what RAID is at all, who knows. (There are > more expansions to RAID, that just happened to be the first to come to > mind.) > > Here's a page I found that has a decent description of RAID and RAID levels. > http://www.acnc.com/raid.html > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 15:18:00 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: <0G2L00J2WCBN0C@mail1.supervalu.com> No, RAID is a handy standard. As such, any RAID controller should be able to read the drive, as long as it can read the RAID level the data was written in. (I believe.) If you use RAID 1, then you can just pull the disk and pop it in anywhere. :) Nick kent@structural-wood.com, on 10/17/2000 02:53:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories -------------- next part -------------- Ok, time to veer this another direction (grin). When RAID controllers are writing to the drives, are they doing it in any standard fashion? For example, if I buy a Mylex Acceleraid 150, and in five years it burns out, will I need a Mylex Acceleraid 150 to read the data from the drives? Kent Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > Ahh, coolness. > > In response to CPU Util, recently, IDE drives have had > lower CPU util than SCSI (because of DMA). It's mostly > a driver issue, and the amount of CPU util is just a few > percent, anyways. > > However, software RAID will seriously hurt your CPU Util. > The Escalade does the IDE RAID in hardware, so it only > uses a few percent of CPU to do your RAIDness. > > Nick > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 02:37:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > No, RAID 10 is striped parity information. Similar to RAID 5 that has a > dedicated > drive for parity informaiton. RAID 10 stripes the parity across all drives. If > one > drive fails, the replacement drive is rebuilt with the parity info from the > other > drives. I think there is more performance than RAID 5. > 0+1 is not 10. 0+1 is 2 drives striped, and 2 more mirroring the stripe. > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > RAID 10 == RAID 0+1. > > > > The difference is that the Escalade does it in hardware, > > whereas the FastTrack and HighPoint do it in software. > > > > Nick > > > > jasonj@innominatus.com, on 10/17/2000 01:53:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > Escalada 6xxx does RAID 0, 1, and 10 > > > > Fasttrak does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > Highpoint does 0, 1, and 0+1 > > > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > > Try www.elinux.com or www.thelinuxstore.com. > > > > > > Also, you don't need ATA/100 at all with just one device. > > > > > > As cool and fast as those 75GXPs are, they're not going to top > > > more than 40MB/sec. Easily under 66MB/sec. > > > > > > AFAIK, you can do all the weird partitioning that you could do > > > with a real SCSI RAID controller. The only bad thing about them > > > is that they don't support RAID 5. Only RAID 0,1, and 0+1, and > > > JBOD, I think. > > > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 01:14:41 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com > wrote: > > > > The Escalade 6xxx series support ATA/66. > > > > > > Well, maybe they have an ATA/100 version planned... > > > > > > > > > > > They're really cool... > > > > > > They look cool... > > > > > > > > > > > 2-8 channels, 1 device/channel (which is why ATA/66 is > > > > plenty good). It's completely internal. > > > > > > Internal is good. I have a full tower, so I'll have the room. > > > > > > > > > > > The 3ware driver makes any RAIDed drives look like a single > > > > SCSI drive. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, the 3ware supports other cool things such as > > > > command queueing, etc. Plus, they have an onboard co-processor. > > > > (same one most SCSI RAID cards have). > > > > > > How about logical partitioning? Does the Escalade allow me to make, say, 4 > > > drives into a single logical drive and then partition that logical drive > > > into say, 3 logical partitions which all appear as seperate drives to my > > > machine? > > > > > > The reason I ask is because I was thinking about the following setup: > > > > > > 4 30GB ATA/100 Deskstars > > > 1 logical drive > > > 2 logical partitions > > > > > > I suppose I could just take the 1 logical drive and partition it through > > > the OS, but if the controller handles it for me, it's that much nicer. > > > > > > > > > > > The FastTrack card is both poorly supported, plus it doesn't > > > > have a co-processor. All it does for you is make your RAID > > > > drives look like one drive. It's still all software otherwise. > > > > > > Ah, thanks for the heads-up. > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I've heard, these cards are pretty amazingly fast. > > > > IDE is faster than SCSI for one device, since the command > > > > set is much smaller (and faster). Since there is only one device/channel > > > > on this controller... well, it's pretty amazing. Plus, it has an > > > > Alan Cox approved open source driver in 2.2.15+. > > > > > > > > > > Eenteresteeng... I'll have to give it a try. Where do you suggest I get > > > one of these controllers? It looks like one can only buy them through > > > offical 3ware resellers. > > > > > > Gabe > > > -- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > > Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > > > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > > > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > > > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 17 15:28:19 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <0G2L00J2WCBN0C@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39ECB663.1E3D3E1E@innominatus.com> I wish you could add and remove drives from an array easier than having to find a bunch of temp space and moving data! I have 2 20 gig drives in RAID 0 and I want to add a 3rd. Annoying. Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > No, RAID is a handy standard. As such, any RAID controller > should be able to read the drive, as long as it can read the RAID > level the data was written in. (I believe.) > > If you use RAID 1, then you can just pull the disk and pop it in > anywhere. :) > > Nick > > kent@structural-wood.com, on 10/17/2000 02:53:13 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: TEXT.TXT > TEXT.TXT Type: Plain Text (TEXT/PLAIN) > Encoding: 7BIT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 15:23:54 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22786] RAID levels (Was: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories) In-Reply-To: <39ECB4FE.52D54ECF@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:22:22PM -0500 References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> <39ECAA66.9A3891AE@innominatus.com> <39ECAB63.EBFBE155@innominatus.com> <39ECAD93.65D6AE92@ltiflex.com> <39ECB4FE.52D54ECF@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001017152354.D19767@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:22:22PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Redundant Array of "Independent" Disks > > No, Andy was right... It's inexpensive. It come from back in the day when a 1 GIG drive, for example, was << in price than, say, a 10 GIG drive. So, you could maybe buy 20 1 GB drives for the price of a single 10 GB. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Oct 17 15:29:24 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22786] RAID levels (Was: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories) Message-ID: <0G2L00JEHCUD0C@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, both are the correct usage. So settle down. :P It's nice to see that with IDE RAID, we're actually getting back to "inexpensive". Nick dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/17/2000 03:23:54 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22786] RAID levels (Was: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories) On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:22:22PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Redundant Array of "Independent" Disks > > No, Andy was right... It's inexpensive. It come from back in the day when a 1 GIG drive, for example, was << in price than, say, a 10 GIG drive. So, you could maybe buy 20 1 GB drives for the price of a single 10 GB. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 17 15:28:57 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22786] RAID levels (Was: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories) In-Reply-To: <20001017152354.D19767@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:23:54PM -0500 References: <0G2L00HAT9GVNG@mail1.supervalu.com> <39ECAA66.9A3891AE@innominatus.com> <39ECAB63.EBFBE155@innominatus.com> <39ECAD93.65D6AE92@ltiflex.com> <39ECB4FE.52D54ECF@innominatus.com> <20001017152354.D19767@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001017152857.F9919@real-time.com> > > Redundant Array of "Independent" Disks > > > No, Andy was right... It's inexpensive. It come from back in the day when > a 1 GIG drive, for example, was << in price than, say, a 10 GIG drive. > So, you could maybe buy 20 1 GB drives for the price of a single 10 GB. Actually, I think it's inexpensive as in "uses PC disks, rather than IBM DASD" [those 14"-platter refrigerator-sized units]. so you can buy a stack of 100MB drives at $500/ea, instead of a 1GB drive at $100,000. (ok, I pulled those figures out of my ass; but they may be vaguely reasonable for the time). too far ancient history for most of us. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 17 15:37:33 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22794] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22743] Star Office 5.2 In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 08:18:42AM -0500 References: <20001016210009.C12646@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001017153733.D14400@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > hrm.. i have users printing with staroffice 5.2 all the time.. what > printers did you set in spadmin? HP 5MP -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Tue Oct 17 16:35:41 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <39EC99F2.A9684135@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <200010172136.e9HLaCj26842@sprite.real-time.com> On 17 Oct 00, at 13:26, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > However, I'm tempted to switch my server machines over to Debian Potato > > some day, now that it includes 2.2 kernel support. (I've been too > > busy/lazy to mess around with it until installation ISOs became easily > > available) > > > Debian ISOs are easily available. Check out the pseudo--image kit. dieman > might have the iso's built on the real-time mirror, not sure. > I understand that he has built the isos with the pseudo-image kit. I do have the isos d/l'd, rxync'd & burned. I will led them out if wanted. Did the initial install on my laptop today - boot off CD. > > Yes, there are some reasons to have an iso around. Rescue disk. If you need > a bootable CD, get something really useful like the Linuxcare bootable > business card ISO. It's still smaller than the debian set, and you can start > a debian network install from it. Plus you get more rescue options than the > debian iso's or rescue floppies. > I tried the BBC install & got lost. Decided to d/l isos instead. Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Tue Oct 17 16:44:00 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <20001017213900.75C8B281D6@pyre.ossuary.net> Message-ID: I would like to make it clear that I hate Mandrake/Red Hat. I also hate pork chops and anything brown. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 17 17:18:41 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories Message-ID: Too bad there's nothing like the Veritas Volume manager for Linux. You can do all sorts of RAID reconfiguations, all with the system still up and processing data. We have 2 Sun A5100 fiber channel storage arrays with 14 disks each, and I was reconfiguring them a whole bunch of different ways to figure out what had the best performance. The whole time, the database on it was still up and processing data, although slowly sometimes. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jason J [mailto:jasonj@innominatus.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories I wish you could add and remove drives from an array easier than having to find a bunch of temp space and moving data! I have 2 20 gig drives in RAID 0 and I want to add a 3rd. Annoying. Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > No, RAID is a handy standard. As such, any RAID controller > should be able to read the drive, as long as it can read the RAID > level the data was written in. (I believe.) > > If you use RAID 1, then you can just pull the disk and pop it in > anywhere. :) > > Nick > > kent@structural-wood.com, on 10/17/2000 02:53:13 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: TEXT.TXT > TEXT.TXT Type: Plain Text (TEXT/PLAIN) > Encoding: 7BIT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 17 17:54:01 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:18:41PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> > Too bad there's nothing like the Veritas Volume manager for Linux. You can > do all sorts of RAID reconfiguations, all with the system still up and > processing data. We have 2 Sun A5100 fiber channel storage arrays with 14 > disks each, and I was reconfiguring them a whole bunch of different ways to > figure out what had the best performance. The whole time, the database on > it was still up and processing data, although slowly sometimes. take a look at the Logical Volume Manager for Linux http://linux.msede.com/lvm/ Heinz Mauelshagen was here in MN, giving a presentation at the U, earlier this year. Very interesting stuff; tho I admit most of it flew way over my head at the time. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Tue Oct 17 18:20:38 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22799] How to change the directory listing for Apache? Message-ID: <39ECDEC6.8010600@mediaone.net> Hi all, I am using apache and would like to change the directory display. I have been looking through the Apache docs but I can't seem to find what I am looking for. What I would like to do is make it so the filenames are not cut off. If you want to, take a look at my site and you'll see what I mean. (Link in sig, just click a link at the bottom of the home page.) Thanks. Also I would like to say it is good to be back on the list. I am a lurker mostly but I had gone over to the dark side for Win2k's "ease of use". Turns out, surprise suprise, that Win2k sucks like all the rest. Anyhow I have seen the light as they say. ;) Thanks again. -- Dave Erickson {gsa700@mediaone.net} http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Tue Oct 17 18:48:29 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I put together a cheep computer for my car with parts from General Nanosystems (and a few I had lying around), they had a nice integrated board sound, vid, ect.. I was able to get the board, cpu and, ram, for just over $150. the video on the board has since craped out on me, but luckily the sound still works. And don't flame me to bad for using an integrated board (it has only 3 pci, lol), I didn't want a case that was too big (made my own) and I didn't want to have to worry about cards getting loose and frying. Any questions feel free to ask me. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:33 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? I have a P90 toshiba laptop, and it won't play mp3's at all, even just using mpg123 from the console. Get yourself a used emachine for $100 and strip the guts out of it and put them in a smaller case. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22703] Dedicated MP3 distro project? On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:38:53AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > From what I gather, I should not need > more than a 486DX-2/66 with about 8-12MB of RAM to do the job. A data point for you: I've built a MP3 jukebox out of a P100. Running mpg123 on the console (i.e., no X overhead) sucks ~20% CPU. I would suggest you consider a P60 or maybe a DX4/100 as you minimum hardware rather than going for the DX2/66. (The P100 is also capable of ripping/encoding new mp3s while playing without causing any skips in playback. Another nice feature you may want to have avaliable...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Tue Oct 17 18:58:09 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22799] How to change the directory listing for Apache? References: <39ECDEC6.8010600@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <001901c03896$1b6c34e0$2410020a@winona.msus.edu> You want mod_autoindex ( i believe its called ). I think i saw a demo/howto for it... yep i did. go here: http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-09-001-01-NW-LF-SW Sorry if someone already replied to this and answered your question, im going through old messages i didnt delete for some reason or another. Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.coml ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Erickson To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22799] How to change the directory listing for Apache? > Hi all, I am using apache and would like to change the directory > display. I have been looking through the Apache docs but I can't seem to > find what I am looking for. > > What I would like to do is make it so the filenames are not cut off. If > you want to, take a look at my site and you'll see what I mean. (Link in > sig, just click a link at the bottom of the home page.) > > Thanks. > > Also I would like to say it is good to be back on the list. I am a > lurker mostly but I had gone over to the dark side for Win2k's "ease of > use". Turns out, surprise suprise, that Win2k sucks like all the rest. > > Anyhow I have seen the light as they say. ;) > > Thanks again. > > -- > Dave Erickson {gsa700@mediaone.net} > http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Tue Oct 17 19:56:03 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22799] How to change the directory listing for Apache? References: <39ECDEC6.8010600@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <39ECF523.2040001@mediaone.net> Dave Erickson wrote: > Hi all, I am using apache and would like to change the directory > display. I have been looking through the Apache docs but I can't seem > to find what I am looking for. > > What I would like to do is make it so the filenames are not cut off. > If you want to, take a look at my site and you'll see what I mean. > (Link in sig, just click a link at the bottom of the home page.) You know I have looked at that page before and I must have read right over that part. Thanks very much, I got it working the way I want it. Peace. -- Dave Erickson {gsa700@mediaone.net} http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 17 21:01:29 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:54:01PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001017210129.A14758@ringworld.org> I believe he works for sistina right now, right (looks over at the sistina guys who watch the list) * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [001017 17:54]: > > Too bad there's nothing like the Veritas Volume manager for Linux. You can > > do all sorts of RAID reconfiguations, all with the system still up and > > processing data. We have 2 Sun A5100 fiber channel storage arrays with 14 > > disks each, and I was reconfiguring them a whole bunch of different ways to > > figure out what had the best performance. The whole time, the database on > > it was still up and processing data, although slowly sometimes. > > take a look at the Logical Volume Manager for Linux > http://linux.msede.com/lvm/ > > Heinz Mauelshagen was here in MN, giving a presentation at the U, earlier > this year. Very interesting stuff; tho I admit most of it flew way over my > head at the time. :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Oct 17 21:57:45 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22805] tree(directory) based quotas in unix Message-ID: Anyone heard of anything that will do this? I'm assuming this is going to be a functionlity of the filesystem, but anything would be helpful because I may have to write it if I can't find it. The only quotas I know of under unix are based on gid or uid. Under windows they're based on directory trees. I want these tree based quotas on a unix system. Specifically a netapp box, but if I can get it somewhere else I can either use this system, perferably Solaris, or base my own code off it. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 17 22:07:32 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor Message-ID: <20001017220732.I8538@real-time.com> Besides using emacs or vim :-) What are some GUI html editors for linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 17 22:36:47 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22637] OpenSSH Install Question References: <39E92ACC.FD94525@tcfreenet.org> <001e01c036cc$1c6e68c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <39EA69D5.6E188ACB@tcfreenet.org> <002201c03772$4df95840$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39ED1ACF.3A28EA12@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > That is not rolling your own RPM - that is rerolling somebody elses RPM. I > believe the question was how to roll your own. What is the point of > recompiling somebody elses RPM other than optimizations? Compiling against the libraries that are on your* machine, not someone else's. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Oct 17 22:38:49 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <002801c038b4$eec17b20$a582e13f@gateway> Well it really depends on your use and the ammount youre willing to spend. If money is no consern then I would sudjest SAN. It has the highest reliability, however it's also the most expencive. You could get a Photon from SUN that will hold 18 10,000 rpm drives, for about $64,000 (with out the drives.) You could probably get a JBod from Rorke Data for much less than that. With SAN there is no distance limitation, unless your storage device is more then 10km away, plus you get 1gb/sec transfer rate, thats ofcource if you go with fibre. For shorter distances, you can use a copper serial cable. Although its a bit slower, its still faster than SCSI. ____________________________________________________ If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so Andrew Nemchenko drew@usfamily.net Home: 651-681-8572 Work: 952-932-4081 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Schumacher To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a > Linux based X-Windows applications server. > > What are people out there using? > > Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. > > How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? > Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? > > I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about > the groups personal experiences and opinions. > > Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock > my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to > the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient > admin crap to do... > > We all have our dreams... > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 17 22:43:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22799] How to change the directory listing for Apache? References: <39ECDEC6.8010600@mediaone.net> <001901c03896$1b6c34e0$2410020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <39ED1C74.49043C1A@tcfreenet.org> "Cook, Justin S." wrote: > > You want mod_autoindex ( i believe its called ). I think i saw a demo/howto > for it... > > yep i did. go here: > http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-09-001-01-NW-LF-SW Hmmm, did not know about this. Alternatively just writing an index.* in your CGI language of choice is possible. A friend wrote such a thing in ASP on his NT server, which I then customised and am using it http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/ for example... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 17 22:41:39 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22810] sound card recommendation Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm going to get a new sound card tomorrow. It's finally time to retire the old Soundblaster 16! I'm tired of dealing with isapnptools and sound card junk so I need a recommendation for a PCI sound card that will be well supported out of the box on a Debian system. No muss, no fuss is the name of the game. I'm not into gaming so I just need something to listen to music with. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 17 22:45:48 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22810] sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:41:39PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001017224548.F16909@ringworld.org> SB Live, or a SB ens1371 card, depending on what you need. SB ens1371 is creative ensoniq audiopci cards, 20$ generall. SB Live is a super card from what i hear. But if you just need PCM, get a ens1371. * Timothy Wilson [001017 22:42]: > Hey everyone, > > I'm going to get a new sound card tomorrow. It's finally time to retire the > old Soundblaster 16! I'm tired of dealing with isapnptools and sound card > junk so I need a recommendation for a PCI sound card that will be well > supported out of the box on a Debian system. No muss, no fuss is the name of > the game. I'm not into gaming so I just need something to listen to music > with. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Attempting to read the EULA confuses the hell out of me, so I am going to ask the list. If you use NT as the operating system for a web site, can you run your web site on just a 5-user license? Even if you take (cough) millions of hits a day on this box? Reading the EULA it seems that you have to purchase an unlimited-user license because the 'net represents unlimited users of this machine. Is the correct? The info I want seems to be in the EULA but I cannot pull it out of all the legalise that is in there. * Next Topic * Doing a similar thing for Postgres vs MySQL vs MS SQL server vs MS Access. MS Access seems to say single user, so as a db backend to a busy website, is the NT box the 1 user? Again, EULA for MS SQL Server is confusing. There seems to be issues about users and simulanteous connections. If you use MS SQL server as the back-end, do you need to have unlimited users, or will the 20-user version work for a busy web site? I'd be happy to share this with the LUG, so people will have a reference to it for other Linux vs NT sales pitches. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 17 22:50:52 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor Message-ID: Do you want something that does the html for you, like frontpage or dreamweaver? Or do you want something that just does syntax highlighting? Cooledit is a great editor, but it won't write your html for you, it just does highlighting. I don't know of any decent dreamweaveresqe programs for linux. I'd take a look at either sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net for one. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor Besides using emacs or vim :-) What are some GUI html editors for linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 17 22:54:22 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper Message-ID: I think when you license NT for 5 users, you are supposed to have no more than 5 people connected to the box at any one time viewing web pages or whatever. I think the same goes for MS-sql products. If a person accesses a page on the webserver that hits the database, they count as one user in the database. I doubt most companies abide by this rule and just buy the "cheap" 5 user license. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:49 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper Since I have never really used NT for anything, I am not sure I totally understand the licensing agreements. I am writing a paper comparing linux to nt from a cost prospective (money). Now, I see you can get NT 5-user for around $1000 list. Attempting to read the EULA confuses the hell out of me, so I am going to ask the list. If you use NT as the operating system for a web site, can you run your web site on just a 5-user license? Even if you take (cough) millions of hits a day on this box? Reading the EULA it seems that you have to purchase an unlimited-user license because the 'net represents unlimited users of this machine. Is the correct? The info I want seems to be in the EULA but I cannot pull it out of all the legalise that is in there. * Next Topic * Doing a similar thing for Postgres vs MySQL vs MS SQL server vs MS Access. MS Access seems to say single user, so as a db backend to a busy website, is the NT box the 1 user? Again, EULA for MS SQL Server is confusing. There seems to be issues about users and simulanteous connections. If you use MS SQL server as the back-end, do you need to have unlimited users, or will the 20-user version work for a busy web site? I'd be happy to share this with the LUG, so people will have a reference to it for other Linux vs NT sales pitches. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 23:00:33 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22815] RPM Message-ID: <001017230033.202a1996@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Quick newbie question about downloading patches for RH6.2. I brought all the patches from the redhat site, but when I point gnome rpm at them, it says that they don't look like an rpm package. Even the new version of rpm isn't liked. Would someone please explain what dumb thing I'm overlooking? Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 17 23:01:22 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20001017230122.C10722@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 23:07:21 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22815] RPM In-Reply-To: <001017230033.202a1996@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: I have a book that may help with the computers in mayo lab. I'll drop it off tomorrow. Colin On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Hi > > Quick newbie question about downloading patches for RH6.2. I brought all the > patches from the redhat site, but when I point gnome rpm at them, it says that > they don't look like an rpm package. Even the new version of rpm isn't liked. > Would someone please explain what dumb thing I'm overlooking? > > Thanks > > Ed Hoeffner > 1-271 BSBE > 312 Church St. SE > Mpls, MN 55455 > hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu > 612-625-2115 > 612-625-2163 fax > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Tue Oct 17 23:24:40 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22810] sound card recommendation References: Message-ID: <39ED2608.5090204@mediaone.net> Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm going to get a new sound card tomorrow. It's finally time to retire the > old Soundblaster 16! I'm tired of dealing with isapnptools and sound card > junk so I need a recommendation for a PCI sound card that will be well > supported out of the box on a Debian system. No muss, no fuss is the name of > the game. I'm not into gaming so I just need something to listen to music > with. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > I bought a "Ensoniq Audio PCI" for >$40 a year and one half ago and it has been really nice for me. It uses the 'es1371' kernel module. It works on every OS I have ever tried, Linux, NT, FreeBSD,etc... As far as quality, it is respectable. I have it hooked up to a subwoofer and a pair of JBL studio Monitors and it sounds pretty goot to me. If anyone knows of a more 'audiophile' grade card that is well supported I would love to hear about it. -- Dave Erickson {gsa700@mediaone.net} http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Tue Oct 17 23:19:18 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor References: Message-ID: <39ED24C6.2080605@mediaone.net> Austad, Jay wrote: > Do you want something that does the html for you, like frontpage or > dreamweaver? Or do you want something that just does syntax highlighting? > > Cooledit is a great editor, but it won't write your html for you, it just > does highlighting. > > I don't know of any decent dreamweaveresqe programs for linux. I'd take a > look at either sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net for one. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor > > > Besides using emacs or vim :-) > > What are some GUI html editors for linux? > Open Office 6 has an HTML editor built in. you can even swith between HTML view and WYSIWYG modes. Be warned though that you will want to go back over the code when you are done to clean it up a little. I haven't used the 'openoffice 6' that much yet but that was the case with the 'star office 5.2' version. Good Luck. BTW, who thinks Dreamweaver should be opensourced? ;))) -- Dave Erickson {gsa700@mediaone.net} http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Tue Oct 17 23:41:35 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor References: <39ED24C6.2080605@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <000701c038bd$b2094420$2410020a@winona.msus.edu> nedit has a ton of HTML macros (i forget if they are built in or add-ons). Also, bluefish is a very good html editor. Both can be found at freshmeat.net Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Erickson To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor > Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Do you want something that does the html for you, like frontpage or > > dreamweaver? Or do you want something that just does syntax highlighting? > > > > Cooledit is a great editor, but it won't write your html for you, it just > > does highlighting. > > > > I don't know of any decent dreamweaveresqe programs for linux. I'd take a > > look at either sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net for one. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:08 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor > > > > > > Besides using emacs or vim :-) > > > > What are some GUI html editors for linux? > > > Open Office 6 has an HTML editor built in. you can even swith between > HTML view and WYSIWYG modes. Be warned though that you will want to go > back over the code when you are done to clean it up a little. I haven't > used the 'openoffice 6' that much yet but that was the case with the > 'star office 5.2' version. > > Good Luck. BTW, who thinks Dreamweaver should be opensourced? ;))) > > -- > Dave Erickson {gsa700@mediaone.net} > http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Oct 17 23:41:26 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: "Andrew Nemchenko"'s message of "Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:38:49 -0500" References: <20001004063449.5489.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20001017095713.00a691b0@pop.mpls.uswest.net> <39EC771D.4B83D7E1@structural-wood.com> <002801c038b4$eec17b20$a582e13f@gateway> Message-ID: Be careful with SAN to make sure the system actually supports what you need. For instance at work we got a StorageWorks box to do our SAN since it was supposed to have support "real soon" for running both Solaris and NT on the same switch (or head depending on your terminology), just differnt volumes. That was 3 years ago. We just called them up and asked how to do it and were told you need to have two switches, one for NT and one for Solaris. "Andrew Nemchenko" writes: > Well it really depends on your use and the ammount youre willing to spend. > If money is no consern then I would sudjest SAN. It has the highest > reliability, however it's also the most expencive. You could get a Photon > from SUN that will hold 18 10,000 rpm drives, for about $64,000 (with out > the drives.) You could probably get a JBod from Rorke Data for much less > than that. With SAN there is no distance limitation, unless your storage > device is more then 10km away, plus you get 1gb/sec transfer rate, thats > ofcource if you go with fibre. For shorter distances, you can use a copper > serial cable. Although its a bit slower, its still faster than SCSI. > ____________________________________________________ > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so > > > Andrew Nemchenko > drew@usfamily.net > Home: 651-681-8572 > Work: 952-932-4081 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Schumacher > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:58 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories > > > > I'm brainstorming (with myself!) storage solutions for a > > Linux based X-Windows applications server. > > > > What are people out there using? > > > > Internal SCSI RAID, external SCSI attached RAID, NAS, SAN, ???. > > > > How do you rate things for performance, price, and reliability? > > Are there any things to be concerned about under linux? > > > > I'm not looking for definitive HOWTO's, I'm just wondering about > > the groups personal experiences and opinions. > > > > Reliability is probably primary. I would like to set it up, lock > > my office door, crawl out the window and walk down the tracks to > > the bar every day for the next five years without any inconvenient > > admin crap to do... > > > > We all have our dreams... > > Kent > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 18 00:02:53 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22821] anyone here a samba master? Message-ID: Right now, I have a linux ftp server that some of our journalists have to upload video to all day. FTP is becoming a nightmare because no one knows how to use command line ftp and don't want to learn. So we have 40 different GUI ftp programs for windows floating around and I get calls all day saying how my ftp server sucks and they can never upload stuff to it. In 100% of the cases, it's always been the "chair to keyboard interface", not my ftp server. So, my ftp server is behind a firewall from the people that want to upload to it, and the ftp ports are open. What I want to do is set up samba, and have it tell our winblows 2000 domain controllers on the network that the users are on where it is. That way, when they browse the network, they'll see it, they can click on it, and they can drop their files onto it. Has anyone made a samba box behind a firewall visible on a network on a lower security interface? I need to also deny delete permission, but allow overwrite permissions. All uploaded files will need to have default perms of 775. Is there anyway to make samba authenticate against the win2000 domain? Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Oct 18 00:03:15 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper References: Message-ID: <39ED2F13.656E5BEC@ringworld.org> To sum it all up: NT licensing will make your head spin, then hurt, and by the time it's done with you your eOpen license will be expired and it's time to renew (or upgrade to the latest version of NT), and you may start the process anew. As for linux...unlimited users at no cost, but limited support options (PHB's like support contracts, and they're not all bad...) Don't forget the support contracts from vendors who do dumb shit like base your yearly support contract on a presentage the MSRP of their current shipping version even if you are behind the curve. And up that percentage from 10 to 15% without notifiny you. There's probally a clause in our orignial contract that says they can pull that, at least I can say this crap was in place before I started. I've been dealing with MS licensing for the past month, and I still don't get it. That's costly. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 18 00:05:45 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor In-Reply-To: <20001017220732.I8538@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Besides using emacs or vim :-) > What are some GUI html editors for linux? Well, xemacs (rather than emacs) will do excellent syntax hilighting, indenting and all the purdy stuff. If you want a wysiwyg editor, there's always Netscape's Composer, or Mozilla's (lemme check if that one works. Yeah, it looks 'neat' too). I'm pretty sure Gnome/KDE come with one. Quick search on freshmeat will probably get good results. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 18 00:24:20 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... Message-ID: <39ED3404.61DC24A3@tc.umn.edu> > My $0.10, where's me $0.08 change? It seems there are a significant number of debian devotees fervently convinced of its superiority to other distros. Mention of debian in comparison to other distributions seems to invariably provoke much commentary regarding apt-get. Does this single application alone ensure debian's supremacy? I like ISOs. They are good. No amount of blather about apt-get will convince me that I don't want ISOs. In pre-debian days, when ancient Slackwares and RedHats roamed the land, it was possible to install linux via ftp using only a few floppies. So what. That being said, I find many aspects of debian interesting and appealing. Here is my (perhaps limited) list of debian's advantages: 1. Stability: avoids reliance on bleeding edge "unstable" software. 2. Security: serious effort is made to deliver a secure system and to repair security holes. 3. Ease of administration: apt-get. 4. Convenience: Easy to install a "bare-bones" system, using minimal hard drive space. Some of the disadvantages I've encountered with debian in the past are 1. Inconvenience: Typically slow to adopt nifty new features, such as kernel 2.2, available in other distros. 2. Inconvenience: Debian ISOs I've tried in the past have been missing essential "non-free" software such as Netscape. 3. Inconvenience: Able to install full distro, including a journaling file system such as ReiserFS, on a non-networked laptop computer? It would appear that, for me, the primary disadvantage of using debian has revolved around inconvenience. Is it really necessary to roll your own ISO in order to get all of the "unstable" or "non-free" features you want? Are user friendly tools available for creating customized ISOs? Debian is among the least marketed linux distributions. Its main advocates appear to be grass-roots supporters. I, for one, would be interested in having someone try to "sell" me on debian. Does debian offer advantages I'm unaware of? Can my objections be answered? (Might this be a good topic for some future TCLUG presentation?) Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 18 00:30:21 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22825] Probs with LILO and SCSI drive Message-ID: Hi, Ok, in a desperate attempt to get more diskspace without spending money, I figured I'd stick this 2.5GB SCSI drive in my machine. Although my machine already had an Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter in it, it was being used for the CDR and the scanner, not for any real storage devices. My primary boot device was still my IDE HDD. I figured I'd put Doze on the SCSI drive, since that way I can use the space under both OSes (I dualboot for games, sue me). So I unplug the IDE HDD, boot off the cdrom and install Doze on the SCSI drive. No problem. Then I plug the IDE HDD back, and add this to /etc/lilo.conf (still on the IDE drive): other=/dev/sda1 label=scsi and reboot. Lilo goes: LILO boot: scsi Loading scsi... and just sits there. So I nuke the SCSI drive, make a 32MB Ext2 partition on it, copy my /boot to that, and run lilo -b /dev/sda -l (-l is linear mode), and make SCSI my primary boot device. I get The Dreaded "LI". Anyone? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 02:47:35 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) Message-ID: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> As promised, here is my first release of NT vs Linux price comparision for a database backend web server. It's attached as a .ps and StarOffice document. Feedback would be great. Double check my facts would be great too. ANYONE with any more info on MS licensing and some time to talk to me would be awesome! This is a living document to share with all LUG members. Please help make it better. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 18 03:16:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> Message-ID: <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > As promised, here is my first release of NT vs Linux price comparision for > a database backend web server. > > It's attached as a .ps and StarOffice document. Doesn't the list strip attachments? I don't see any... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 18 03:24:18 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper References: Message-ID: <39ED5E32.EFF849AE@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I think when you license NT for 5 users, you are supposed to have no more > than 5 people connected to the box at any one time viewing web pages or > whatever. I think the same goes for MS-sql products. If a person accesses > a page on the webserver that hits the database, they count as one user in > the database. AFAIK, a 5 user license NT will actually not allow more than 5 people onto a file/print share at a time. If that spreads to IIS as well, I dunno. I would guess IIS is licensed seperately from NT itself... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 03:33:03 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22829] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) In-Reply-To: <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:16:27AM -0500 References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > > > As promised, here is my first release of NT vs Linux price comparision for > > a database backend web server. > > > > It's attached as a .ps and StarOffice document. > > Doesn't the list strip attachments? I don't see any... Heh. Yes. http://www.mn-linux.com/members/tanner -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 18 03:45:30 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22829] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org> > > Doesn't the list strip attachments? I don't see any... > > Heh. > > Yes. > > http://www.mn-linux.com/members/tanner Shouldn't that be .org? Get some sleep Bob. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 03:52:36 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22829] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) In-Reply-To: <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:45:30AM -0500 References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001018035236.B18738@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > > http://www.mn-linux.com/members/tanner > > Shouldn't that be .org? Get some sleep Bob. ;) Yes. Yes, I am sleepy. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 03:52:36 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22829] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) In-Reply-To: <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:45:30AM -0500 References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001018035236.B18738@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > > http://www.mn-linux.com/members/tanner > > Shouldn't that be .org? Get some sleep Bob. ;) Yes. Yes, I am sleepy. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Oct 17 23:28:52 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... Message-ID: <200010180428.XAA09065@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Joel T Schneider wrote: [snip] > That being said, I find many aspects of debian interesting and > appealing. Here is my (perhaps limited) list of debian's advantages: [snip] At the risk of being curmudgeonly, allow me to suggest that you should grab an orphaned 486 and try running it yourself. What have you got to lose? J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From atebbe at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 07:38:54 2000 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper In-Reply-To: <20001017224911.A10722@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:49:11PM -0500 References: <20001017224911.A10722@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001018073854.C23891@real-time.com> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:49:11PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > Since I have never really used NT for anything, I am not sure I totally > understand the licensing agreements. > > I am writing a paper comparing linux to nt from a cost prospective (money). > > Now, I see you can get NT 5-user for around $1000 list. Attempting to read the > EULA confuses the hell out of me, so I am going to ask the list. > > If you use NT as the operating system for a web site, can you run your web site > on just a 5-user license? Even if you take (cough) millions of hits a day on > this box? AFAIK, NT license does not matter for websites. NT license is for users logging in to the box (file/print, etc). However, if you have a SQLServer db, there's a $2500 thingy you're supposed to buy since you can have a ton of connections (users) to your database. This is how it was a few years ago, anyway. Don't know about Access. -- Amy Tanner Voice: 612.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 612.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com PGP fingerprint = 67 6C 8F DB B1 7A 8D 41 DC 7B CA 0B 28 1E 67 AD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 18 07:44:01 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22821] anyone here a samba master? References: Message-ID: <39ED9B11.21BF9C10@fandre.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Right now, I have a linux ftp server that some of our journalists have to > upload video to all day. FTP is becoming a nightmare because no one knows > how to use command line ftp and don't want to learn. So we have 40 > different GUI ftp programs for windows floating around and I get calls all > day saying how my ftp server sucks and they can never upload stuff to it. > In 100% of the cases, it's always been the "chair to keyboard interface", > not my ftp server. > > So, my ftp server is behind a firewall from the people that want to upload > to it, and the ftp ports are open. What I want to do is set up samba, and > have it tell our winblows 2000 domain controllers on the network that the > users are on where it is. That way, when they browse the network, they'll > see it, they can click on it, and they can drop their files onto it. > > Has anyone made a samba box behind a firewall visible on a network on a > lower security interface? I need to also deny delete permission, but allow > overwrite permissions. All uploaded files will need to have default perms > of 775. Is there anyway to make samba authenticate against the win2000 > domain? I would never allow internet access to a CIFS (or NFS) share. There are too many security holes and just isn't a wise thing to do. What about using a web interface to allow them to upload their files? I simple upload button would allow them to choose a file locally, and then have a dropdown box for the destination. It's a common interface and there is no need to anything besides a browser. I would recommend writing it in perl or php. Let me know if you need some examples to get started. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 18 08:05:46 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22810] sound card recommendation References: Message-ID: <003c01c03904$21ce3b30$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I believe the Creative Soundblaster PCI512 is a good choice. It has support (in non PNP mode) in the linux 2.2.17 kernel (emu10k1 module), and perhaps in the 2.2.16 kernel. I personally prefer the ALSA drivers, which will work in PNP mode and seem a litte more modern. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:41 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22810] sound card recommendation > Hey everyone, > > I'm going to get a new sound card tomorrow. It's finally time to retire the > old Soundblaster 16! I'm tired of dealing with isapnptools and sound card > junk so I need a recommendation for a PCI sound card that will be well > supported out of the box on a Debian system. No muss, no fuss is the name of > the game. I'm not into gaming so I just need something to listen to music > with. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Wed Oct 18 08:24:03 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor In-Reply-To: <20001017220732.I8538@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hiya. Check out Glimmer. It has syntax-highlighting in over a dozen languages, blah, blah. Kind of a CPU hog (I run it on a Pentium 90) for a text editor, but it's nice. http://glimmer.sourceforge.net Hope this helps. Timothy On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Besides using emacs or vim :-) > > What are some GUI html editors for linux? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Oct 18 08:32:51 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor In-Reply-To: <20001017220732.I8538@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Besides using emacs or vim :-) > > What are some GUI html editors for linux? You could also try SCREEM (http://www.screem.org/). It's in its beta stages, and sometimes unstable, but I used it for production work all summer. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Wed Oct 18 08:40:42 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22821] anyone here a samba master? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya. Samba behind a firewall is no problem (with the firewall's cooperation). You can announce your SMB presence easily to different subnets. The permissions system is not finely grained enough to differentiate "overwrite" and "delete" privileges, *I don't think*. I've never tried it, though, since they are (from a security standpoint) the same thing. Although I haven't used Win2000, I believe it's just another version of NT, and works the same from a security/networking standpoint. Timothy On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Right now, I have a linux ftp server that some of our journalists have to > upload video to all day. FTP is becoming a nightmare because no one knows > how to use command line ftp and don't want to learn. So we have 40 > different GUI ftp programs for windows floating around and I get calls all > day saying how my ftp server sucks and they can never upload stuff to it. > In 100% of the cases, it's always been the "chair to keyboard interface", > not my ftp server. > > So, my ftp server is behind a firewall from the people that want to upload > to it, and the ftp ports are open. What I want to do is set up samba, and > have it tell our winblows 2000 domain controllers on the network that the > users are on where it is. That way, when they browse the network, they'll > see it, they can click on it, and they can drop their files onto it. > > Has anyone made a samba box behind a firewall visible on a network on a > lower security interface? I need to also deny delete permission, but allow > overwrite permissions. All uploaded files will need to have default perms > of 775. Is there anyway to make samba authenticate against the win2000 > domain? > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 18 08:42:04 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper Message-ID: <20001018134204.17631.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Some of this has been mentioned by others but I'll give my take on it. I researched MS licensing for an unpublished article I wrote comparing support costs to licensing cost for upgrades of Win NT 4.0 to Win 2K. The first thing is that licenses come in two parts, the server license and the client access license or CAL. When you see NT server with 5 users this means that you get 5 CALs. If more users than CALs connect you get License manager errors and log hits. This can be a problem if you're hit with an ASP audit. ;-) NT server CALs extend to all NT Servers on the network. (This includes multiple domains, I think.) I suspect the same is true for SQL Server but I haven't looked into it in any detail. The result: You need 1 NT Server license (includes IIS 4 or 5) plus 1 SQL-Server with unlimited clients. In theory if you are not connecting LAN workstations to the NT server you need no CALs for it but the base package comes with 5 so you're safe. If you choose to use less than the unlimited client license for SQL-Server you may run into an issue where some user can't connect because the server only accepts X concurrent connections. Again this may be a soft meter (logging the violation) but it might not be in the current versions. My SQL-Server experience is limited (but increasing, unfortunatly). This rambled a little so let me know if I just confused the issue. Jack On Tue, 17 October 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Since I have never really used NT for anything, I am not sure I totally > understand the licensing agreements. > > I am writing a paper comparing linux to nt from a cost prospective (money). > > Now, I see you can get NT 5-user for around $1000 list. Attempting to read the > EULA confuses the hell out of me, so I am going to ask the list. > > If you use NT as the operating system for a web site, can you run your web site > on just a 5-user license? Even if you take (cough) millions of hits a day on > this box? > > Reading the EULA it seems that you have to purchase an unlimited-user license > because the 'net represents unlimited users of this machine. > > Is the correct? The info I want seems to be in the EULA but I cannot pull it out > of all the legalise that is in there. > > * Next Topic * > > Doing a similar thing for Postgres vs MySQL vs MS SQL server vs MS Access. > > MS Access seems to say single user, so as a db backend to a busy website, is the > NT box the 1 user? > > Again, EULA for MS SQL Server is confusing. There seems to be issues > about users and simulanteous connections. If you use MS SQL server as the > back-end, do you need to have unlimited users, or will the 20-user version work > for a busy web site? > > I'd be happy to share this with the LUG, so people will have a reference to it > for other Linux vs NT sales pitches. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Oct 18 09:43:26 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22762] Re: Mandrake... (Debian pitch!) References: <39ED3404.61DC24A3@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39EDB70E.C4C01F04@ltiflex.com> Firstly, I wanted to point out that not every situation needs an ISO. It seems to me that many people think they absoultely need the ISO, which isn't always the case. Being able to install via the network was a must when I was working on an older laptop that didn't have a CDROM. >advantages: > > 1. Stability: avoids reliance on bleeding edge "unstable" software. > 2. Security: serious effort is made to deliver a secure system and to > repair security holes. > 3. Ease of administration: apt-get. > 4. Convenience: Easy to install a "bare-bones" system, using minimal > hard drive space. 5. Community: Debian's IRC channel and mailing list are great and very responsive to people who need help, want to help, or just shoot the bull. > > Some of the disadvantages I've encountered with debian in the past are > > 1. Inconvenience: Typically slow to adopt nifty new features, such as > kernel 2.2, available in other distros. As with any distro, there is nothing to stop you from running any version of the kernel you want. I was running a 2.2 kernel on a slink box before I switched to potato, which was unstable at the time (very unstable do to the glibc2.0 to 2.1 upgrade...) One of the neat (well, some think so) packages in debian is make-kpkg, which makes kernel packages. Grab the source, do your make config, then make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image. Even supports cross compiling and other neat features. This is a great tool when running machines where you don't want the tools for compiling kernels installed. Build the package on another machine and scp it over. make-kpkg will even build packages for extra modules (like alsa and lm-sensors), no kernel patching necissary. Most of the time pre-packaged kernels get in my way, so I see the fact that they are included in other distros as in inconvience. (Debian can be a pain when it wants to change you over to the latest version of the package kernel, even though you compiled your own. Always put those kernel package on hold when doing a dist-upgrade. Normal upgrades ignore the kernel) I perfer to compile my own, mostly so I know what options are enabled. (I know this is true for Debian, don't know about others. The packaged kernel has APM disabled so it's not ideal to run a stock kernel on a laptop.) > 2. Inconvenience: Debian ISOs I've tried in the past have been missing > essential "non-free" software such as Netscape. I belive that the official ISOs leave out the non-free branch, though I could be wrong. The last Debian ISO I bought was 1.3 from Cheap Bytes. I seem to remember that there was the Netscape installer package, but not netscape. You had to grab the netscape archive from netscape.com and drop in in /tmp Keep in mind though that there is nothing that says you have to distribute an OS with a web browser, so maybe the fact that you have to download Netscape is a good thing. Besides, not everyone would see Netscape as essential. > 3. Inconvenience: Able to install full distro, including a journaling > file system such as ReiserFS, on a non-networked laptop computer? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the journaling portions of ReiserFS still in the developmental stages? I'd wouldn't expect (or want) debian to suport it until it is stable. Now, the following is really, truely my opinion and nothing more. Seems what you see as inconveniences are "features" that other distribuations provide, even though these features are still developmental, tempermental, unstable, or otherwise agnist the beliefs stated in Debian's Social Contract. That said, back to the ISO issue. Yes, there are situations where having a CD set is needed. The idea behind Debian's Psudo Image Kit is that it reduces the load on it's ISO mirrors. The psudo image kit will create official Debian ISO's from any Debian mirror. It's really a neat idea. Every distribution has it's strengths and shortcomings. I've seen advantages in every distribution, and weaknesses in every dist as well. I choose Debian mainly because of the network install options, and am now quite comfortable with the ways Debian does things. I imagine that I'd be just as reluctant to change from SuSE or Slackware if I was comfortable with the way they do things. RedHat is another story. One distro does not fit all. So choose your distro on what you precive to be it's strengths and weaknesses. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 09:45:27 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper In-Reply-To: <20001018073854.C23891@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Amy Tanner wrote: > AFAIK, NT license does not matter for websites. NT license is for > users logging in to the box (file/print, etc). However, if you have > a SQLServer db, there's a $2500 thingy you're supposed to buy since you > can have a ton of connections (users) to your database. This is how it > was a few years ago, anyway. Don't know about Access. I was reading _somewhere_ (don't remember where) that they changed the licensing with the release of Win2000 so that you would have to be licensed for every simultaneous web site connection. I wish I could find that article.. I think it was on /. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 18 10:53:22 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22821] anyone here a samba master? Message-ID: I'm not allowing internet access at all. The users are on a private network, but we have an even more secure network on a higher security interface which the server they need to drop files on sits. The user network is still behind a firewall. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:44 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22821] anyone here a samba master? "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Right now, I have a linux ftp server that some of our journalists have to > upload video to all day. FTP is becoming a nightmare because no one knows > how to use command line ftp and don't want to learn. So we have 40 > different GUI ftp programs for windows floating around and I get calls all > day saying how my ftp server sucks and they can never upload stuff to it. > In 100% of the cases, it's always been the "chair to keyboard interface", > not my ftp server. > > So, my ftp server is behind a firewall from the people that want to upload > to it, and the ftp ports are open. What I want to do is set up samba, and > have it tell our winblows 2000 domain controllers on the network that the > users are on where it is. That way, when they browse the network, they'll > see it, they can click on it, and they can drop their files onto it. > > Has anyone made a samba box behind a firewall visible on a network on a > lower security interface? I need to also deny delete permission, but allow > overwrite permissions. All uploaded files will need to have default perms > of 775. Is there anyway to make samba authenticate against the win2000 > domain? I would never allow internet access to a CIFS (or NFS) share. There are too many security holes and just isn't a wise thing to do. What about using a web interface to allow them to upload their files? I simple upload button would allow them to choose a file locally, and then have a dropdown box for the destination. It's a common interface and there is no need to anything besides a browser. I would recommend writing it in perl or php. Let me know if you need some examples to get started. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Oct 18 11:12:57 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22821] anyone here a samba master? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > Although I haven't used Win2000, I believe it's just another version of > NT, and works the same from a security/networking standpoint. That's not quite true. Microsoft is up to its antics again and Win2k does some things regarding authentication that break samba... I think this only affects Samba if it's acting as a Primary domain controller and doing the authentication for a domain. That's (part of) what the Samba TNG thing is about. I doubt that will be an issue for the setup in question though. Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 11:47:02 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor In-Reply-To: <39ED24C6.2080605@mediaone.net>; from gsa700@mediaone.net on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 11:19:18PM -0500 References: <39ED24C6.2080605@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20001018114702.M9919@real-time.com> > Open Office 6 has an HTML editor built in. you can even swith between > HTML view and WYSIWYG modes. Be warned though that you will want to go > back over the code when you are done to clean it up a little. I haven't > used the 'openoffice 6' that much yet but that was the case with the > 'star office 5.2' version. SO 5.1's document-to-HTML converter produced some truly vile HTML. ( tags on each line in a paragraph, f.ex.) I don't think I saw an HTML editor per se in it; just the option to save a document as HTML. Hopefully it's gotten better in 5.2 and 6.0; but I doubt it will be good enough. what we really need is a word processor that saves its files as SGML. documents are portable in the extreme (it's just marked-up plain text); and can be trivially converted to whichever other format you like (text, HTML, LaTeX, PostScript, etc). the tragedy of closed-source software, is that this need has been ignored for decades, in the interest of vendor lock-in and forced upgrades. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Wed Oct 18 11:55:27 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor References: <39ED24C6.2080605@mediaone.net> <20001018114702.M9919@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001001c03924$376bee40$2410020a@winona.msus.edu> SO 5.1's document-to-HTML converter produced some truly vile HTML. ( tags on each line in a paragraph, f.ex.) This is true. Tho i use a less bulkier word processor, Corel Wordperfect 8. I've found that their HTML exporter is really good, but it uses a few to many

's, so if you're looking for HTML converters, try Corel WP8. Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor > > Open Office 6 has an HTML editor built in. you can even swith between > > HTML view and WYSIWYG modes. Be warned though that you will want to go > > back over the code when you are done to clean it up a little. I haven't > > used the 'openoffice 6' that much yet but that was the case with the > > 'star office 5.2' version. > > SO 5.1's document-to-HTML converter produced some truly vile HTML. > ( tags on each line in a paragraph, f.ex.) > > I don't think I saw an HTML editor per se in it; just the option to save a > document as HTML. > > Hopefully it's gotten better in 5.2 and 6.0; but I doubt it will be good > enough. > > what we really need is a word processor that saves its files as SGML. > documents are portable in the extreme (it's just marked-up plain text); and > can be trivially converted to whichever other format you like (text, HTML, > LaTeX, PostScript, etc). > the tragedy of closed-source software, is that this need has been ignored > for decades, in the interest of vendor lock-in and forced upgrades. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 18 12:45:46 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper Message-ID: <20001018174546.28705.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> I was intrigued by this so I went and did a quick check. I remember reading something similar in Infoworld, I think, around the time Win2K was launched. From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 18 12:50:43 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22806] Linux HTML Editor Message-ID: <20001018175043.5859.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> I was in MicroCenter the other day to get some stuff and they have a couple of SGML/XML books (Cookbook and Filters) on the bargin shelf. Smells like a project to me. ;-) On Wed, 18 October 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > what we really need is a word processor that saves its files as SGML. > documents are portable in the extreme (it's just marked-up plain text); and > can be trivially converted to whichever other format you like (text, HTML, > LaTeX, PostScript, etc). > the tragedy of closed-source software, is that this need has been ignored > for decades, in the interest of vendor lock-in and forced upgrades. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Wed Oct 18 09:54:41 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper In-Reply-To: <20001018073854.C23891@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:49:11PM -0500, Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > > Since I have never really used NT for anything, I am not sure I totally > > understand the licensing agreements. > > > > I am writing a paper comparing linux to nt from a cost prospective (money). > > > > Now, I see you can get NT 5-user for around $1000 list. Attempting to read the > > EULA confuses the hell out of me, so I am going to ask the list. > > > > If you use NT as the operating system for a web site, can you run your web site > > on just a 5-user license? Even if you take (cough) millions of hits a day on > > this box? > > AFAIK, NT license does not matter for websites. NT license is for > users logging in to the box (file/print, etc). However, if you have > a SQLServer db, there's a $2500 thingy you're supposed to buy since you > can have a ton of connections (users) to your database. This is how it > was a few years ago, anyway. Don't know about Access. ...Which is why there is an NT port of Samba. It seems kindof stupid to run Samba on an NT box (which already talks SMB), but if you use Samba and disable the NT "Server" service, supposedly you can use a 1 user NT Server license to serve unlimited clients (since Samba is handling the users, not NT) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ I thought the list members might be interested in thie column from Nicholas Petreley. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/10/16/001016oppetreley.xml LG --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Thu Oct 19 16:57:09 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris H. Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22825] Probs with LILO and SCSI drive References: Message-ID: <39EF6E35.33C4F41F@talkware.net> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > Ok, in a desperate attempt to get more diskspace without spending money, I > figured I'd stick this 2.5GB SCSI drive in my machine. Although my machine > already had an Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter in it, it was being used for the > CDR and the scanner, not for any real storage devices. My primary boot > device was still my IDE HDD. > > I figured I'd put Doze on the SCSI drive, since that way I can use the > space under both OSes (I dualboot for games, sue me). So I unplug the IDE > HDD, boot off the cdrom and install Doze on the SCSI drive. No problem. > > Then I plug the IDE HDD back, and add this to /etc/lilo.conf (still on > the IDE drive): > > other=/dev/sda1 > label=scsi > > and reboot. Lilo goes: > > LILO boot: scsi > Loading scsi... > > and just sits there. > > So I nuke the SCSI drive, make a 32MB Ext2 partition on it, copy my /boot > to that, and run lilo -b /dev/sda -l (-l is linear mode), and make SCSI my > primary boot device. I get The Dreaded "LI". > > Anyone? > > -Yaron Did your lilo.conf on /dev/hda still have 'root=/dev/hda1' at the top of it when you ran 'lilo -b /dev/sda -l'? I've been playing around with the *opposite* problem all day (moving linux to my new Cheetah and consolidating my Doze partitions onto one IDE drive), and that was one issue I ran into. You can also try this in yer lilo.conf: disk=/dev/sda bios=0x80 disk=/dev/hda bios=0x81 to force lilo to see the SCSI drive as the 'first' drive, for testing purposes at least. Good luck! -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 18 16:57:37 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22851] Verbatim drive deal Message-ID: <971906257.39ee1cd1b4686@www.fandre.com> Verbatim Corporation has asked me to find 20 members of the LUG to test a new 3.5" MO drive. They are offering a free drive for an honest evaluation in return. Here are the requirements: 1. You have a SCSI capable system. 2. You are an experienced Linux user. (At least 3 years of Linux/UNIX experience.) (Yes, there will be a quiz) 3. You must buy me a free beer everytime you see me at a bar. If you qualify and are interested, please send me: Name Address Phone Email System Configuration (SCSI card type, Processor, etc.) Please send it to clay@fandre.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cory at real-time.com Wed Oct 18 17:13:38 2000 From: cory at real-time.com (cory@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22852] Teleconferencing? Message-ID: <39EE2092.D76DBCF4@real-time.com> Has anyone tried doing teleconferencing between a Linux box and a MS Windows box? I'm talking real time video and sound over the Internet. If so I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Wed Oct 18 17:34:44 2000 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22853] mother boards Message-ID: I have a AMD 600 Athlon and feeling the need to buy a new board so I can have my linux box back up and running. I use the box for hosting games, web server...etc.. Any suggestions? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2559 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Wed Oct 18 18:06:14 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22854] Installation problem Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA30A@mercury.abaton.com> I am having an installation problem which has me baffled. I will admit up front that I am a novice with linux, so it may be something dumb that I am overlooking. I have an older Gateway P90 box w/80MB RAM, a 3.25GB IBM DeskStar HD, an ATI Mach64GX video, and a 3Com Etherlink XL 10/100 NIC. I have been having problems installing 3 different distros, Red Hat 6.2, Mandrake 7.0, and Storm Linux 2000. The latter 2 I got for free from a magazine. The problem I am having is that (1)at varying points during the install, the system will freeze, or (2)after a successful installation will freeze during the reboot, or (3) after a successful installation and reboot, the system will freeze after running for a short time. It seems independent of whether I install X. In the case of 2 or 3 above, if I hit the reset button on the box, linux starts to boot, does an fsck and basically tells me that my filesystem has been trashed. Also, the installation process tells me that I have very little memory and if, after installation, it successfully reboots, the dmesg file reports only about 15MB of RAM. On the other hand, I am able to install Windows (NT, 98, 95, 2000) successfully and run it with no problem. Also, Windows reports seeing 77MB of RAM. Has anyone seen this problem before? I have tried several different installations, including multiple partitions/filesystems or only a single / partition/filesystem (plus a separate swap partition). Any suggestions which help me solve this problem would be most appreciated. My intent is to use this box as a firewall to my home network, which includes a Dell box running Red Hat 6.2. Thanks, Bruce ---------------------------------------------- Bruce Sielaff iMcKesson 952-814-7143 Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Wed Oct 18 18:13:45 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ASUS A7V nothing like ata100 -----Original Message----- From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:35 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards I have a AMD 600 Athlon and feeling the need to buy a new board so I can have my linux box back up and running. I use the box for hosting games, web server...etc.. Any suggestions? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2559 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Oct 18 18:17:15 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards References: Message-ID: <39EE2F7B.7BBAFD3@ringworld.org> Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > ASUS A7V nothing like ata100 > Sure there is. There's nothing like the sexy feeling of SCSI. That's why I went with an ATA66 board. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 18 18:08:25 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards References: Message-ID: <002d01c03958$517dfb50$0100a8c0@cascade> The ABIT KA7-100! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards I have a AMD 600 Athlon and feeling the need to buy a new board so I can have my linux box back up and running. I use the box for hosting games, web server...etc.. Any suggestions? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2559 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Oct 18 18:11:39 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22825] Probs with LILO and SCSI drive References: <39EF6E35.33C4F41F@talkware.net> Message-ID: <39EE2E2B.F4A8F664@ringworld.org> Here's my crazy example, see the comments for explination # begin lilo.conf # First IDE Hard Disk, Hard Disk 0 disk=/dev/hda bios=0x80 # Second IDE Hard Disk, Hard Disk 1 disk=/dev/hdb bios=0x81 # First SCSI SCSI Disk, Hard Disk 2 disk=/dev/sda bios=0x82 # Second SCSI Hard Disk, Hard Disk 3 disk=/dev/sdb bios=0X83 # Boot device boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=ext delay=20 # Current Kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17 label=2.2.17 root=/dev/sda1 read-only # My actual lilo.conf has about six more kernels listed here, for backup purposes. # Windows other=/dev/hda1 label=win table=/dev/hda # End lilo.conf Some of the lines are carry over from when I didn't have scsi. Linux ran on the primiary, windows on the slave. The lilo entry to get windows to boot was: other=/dev/hdb1 label=win table=/dev/hdb # Make windows think it's on the primiary master map-drive=0X80 to=0x81 map-drive=0X81 to=0x80 Advantage to this is reinstalling windows doesn't wipe your MBR, booting windows from a boot disk or cd-rom is troublsome though. Copy the cabs to your hard disk and there isn't much of an issue. Allright, here's an example for you. Use this IF you're first boot option is IDE hard drive (most award BIOS will present you with the different boot orders, A,C,CDROM,SCSI,etc. Some even support D, E, F...etc. so you can boot windows off any IDE drive, master or slave. For this example, you want C in front of SCSI. A and CDROM don't matter.) # begin lilo.conf # First IDE Hard Disk, Hard Disk 0 disk=/dev/hda bios=0x80 # Second IDE Hard Disk, Hard Disk 1 # If you don't have a second IDE hard drive, first scsi hard drive is hard disk 1 disk=/dev/hdb bios=0x81 # First SCSI SCSI Disk, Hard Disk 2 disk=/dev/sda bios=0x82 # Boot device boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=ext delay=20 # Current Kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17 label=2.2.17 root=/dev/hda1 read-only # Windows other=/dev/sda1 label=win table=/dev/sda # Map Hard Disk 0 to Hard Disk 1 map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 # Map Hard Disk 1 to Hard Disk 2 map-drive=0x81 to=0x82 #Map Hard Disk 2 (Scsi Drive) to Hard Disk 0 map-drive=0x82 to=0x80 # End lilo.conf I THINK that should do the trick...no promises. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Oct 18 18:13:59 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards References: <002d01c03958$517dfb50$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <39EE2EB7.A7FD0316@ringworld.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > The ABIT KA7-100! > The MSI K7T is a good board as well. What chipset does the Abit KA7 use? MSI uses Via KT133. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 18 18:17:45 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22825] Probs with LILO and SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <39EF6E35.33C4F41F@talkware.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Chris H. Bidler wrote: > Did your lilo.conf on /dev/hda still have 'root=/dev/hda1' at the top of > it when you ran 'lilo -b /dev/sda -l'? Actually, root=/dev/hda5. /boot is on /dev/sda1, I'm not moving the actual installation - I'm just trying to get LILO to be able to boot both drives. However, strangely enough... when I boot off the IDE and tell LILO to boot SCSI... well, it hangs for a while and then the BIOS skips to the next boot device, namely the SCSI drive. So it KINDA works. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 18 18:28:38 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: <38CE6285F15A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com>; from minibiker@prontomail.com on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:25:05PM -0700 References: <38CE6285F15A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: <20001018182838.K13947@sherohman.org> On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:25:05PM -0700, Blake wrote: > I installed the "Linux technology preview" with Caldera. How do I setup "generic SCSI > support"? (recompile or some chit) I need it for a burner prog. Your guess was correct: Rebuild your kernel. > (KDE2 rocks) > P.S.: NO DISTRO BASHING! Desktop manager? Desktop manager?!? We don' need no steenking desktop manager! (It's not a distro...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Wed Oct 18 18:22:02 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards In-Reply-To: <39EE2F7B.7BBAFD3@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Well yea there is SCSI, but for those of us who don't like to pay the ridiculous price for the drives IDE is just fine -----Original Message----- From: zibby@earthlink.net [mailto:zibby@earthlink.net]On Behalf Of Andrew S. Zbikowski Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22853] mother boards Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > ASUS A7V nothing like ata100 > Sure there is. There's nothing like the sexy feeling of SCSI. That's why I went with an ATA66 board. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Wed Oct 18 20:25:05 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation Message-ID: <38CE6285F15A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> I installed the "Linux technology preview" with Caldera. How do I setup "generic SCSI support"? (recompile or some chit) I need it for a burner prog. (KDE2 rocks) -Bl4k3 P.S.: NO DISTRO BASHING! ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 18 22:05:21 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation Message-ID: Rebuild your kernel. If your distro installed the kernel source, do a make xconfig, or make menuconfig. Chances are that all of the options that your running kernel have are already selected. Enable SCSI emulation, SCSI generic devices, and you MUST disable ATAPI cdrom support. Otherwise it will use ATAPI support by default and the SCSI emulation won't work. make dep && make clean && make bzlilo && make modules && make modules_install Verify that lilo.conf points to the newly installed kernel, if it doesn't, you'll have to change it so it does and re-run /sbin/lilo (this runs automatically during the make bzlilo). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:25:05PM -0700, Blake wrote: > I installed the "Linux technology preview" with Caldera. How do I setup "generic SCSI > support"? (recompile or some chit) I need it for a burner prog. Your guess was correct: Rebuild your kernel. > (KDE2 rocks) > P.S.: NO DISTRO BASHING! Desktop manager? Desktop manager?!? We don' need no steenking desktop manager! (It's not a distro...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Thu Oct 19 00:54:20 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation Message-ID: <0DD0B80D855A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> I meant the KDE2 and NO DISTRO BASHING to be two seperate statements. thanks jay. -blakis ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 18 23:22:49 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper Message-ID: <39EE7719.EC34A8AF@tc.umn.edu> > Since I have never really used NT for anything, I am not sure I totally > understand the licensing agreements. > > I am writing a paper comparing linux to nt from a cost prospective (money). The following is a couple years old and doesn't speak directly to licensing issues, but it may still be helpful. Providing Reliable NT Desktop Services by Avoiding NT Server: http://www.bell-labs.com/user/tal/papers/ntdesktop/ntdesktop/ntdesktop.html > Doing a similar thing for Postgres vs MySQL vs MS SQL server vs MS Access. What about Oracle, Sybase, Informix, and IBM (DB2)? I've seen rumors that the free version of Sybase works well under Linux... > MS Access seems to say single user, so as a db backend to a busy website, is the > NT box the 1 user? Licensing issues aside, (IMHO) MS Access shouldn't be used as a repository for mission critical data. What happens if (when) the MDB file becomes "corrupted"? Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 18 23:22:20 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies Message-ID: Hey everyone, I understand that Athlon processors are more finicky than most when it comes to power supplies. Does anyone know if it's a question of power or quality of power? If I buy an Enlight mid-tower case with a 300W power supply, will I be OK? (I'm looking at the EN7237 model, $74.99 at Tran.) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Wed Oct 18 23:34:48 2000 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22868] cpu error Message-ID: So I went out and bought a Duron cpu and MSI K7T board in hope to get my box backup and running, well. If anyone has had simular problems let me know. Error message from Redhat 6.2(fresh install) cpu amd duron processor stepping 00 enabling extened fast fpu save restore .... done. disabling cpuid serial number .. general protection fault:0000 cpu:0 eip! 0010:[] efflages 000018282 \ \ mem dump \ kernal panic: attempted to kill the idle task! in swapper task-not syncing Any help would be good. Thanks Rodney Ray --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 18 23:45:34 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22869] Trendnet external modem Message-ID: Hi *, General Nanosystems has this external modem for $54.99. Anyone familiar with it? Specs are at: http://www.trendware.com/products/cruiser/spec-TFM-560X.htm TranMicro has internal PCI modems listed, but it isn't clear which are winmodems and which are safe. See http://www.tranmicro.com/modems.htm Will the people there be able to give me a definite answer? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 18 23:54:50 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I understand that Athlon processors are more finicky than most when it comes > to power supplies. Does anyone know if it's a question of power or quality > of power? If I buy an Enlight mid-tower case with a 300W power supply, will > I be OK? (I'm looking at the EN7237 model, $74.99 at Tran.) Well... I can't say for sure. I heard they eat a lot more power. However, I _do_ know that MY power supply exploded (yes, really) a few weeks after I put an Athlon-based Mboard in my machine. Tran have a nice 333Watt PSU that's Athlon-approved. Also has more drive connectors than you can shake a dead cat at! -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 18 23:56:31 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22868] cpu error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Rodney Ray wrote: > So I went out and bought a Duron cpu and MSI K7T board in hope to get my box backup and running, well. If anyone has had simular problems let me know. Eh, no wordwrap. > cpu amd duron processor stepping 00 > enabling extened fast fpu save restore .... done. > disabling cpuid serial number .. general protection fault:0000 I'd go into the kernel and, uh, whatever it's doing with serial numbers now, make it the reverse (; Might be way off, of course. Try building the kernel with liek a 386 as the CPU type. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 19 00:04:58 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:25:05PM -0700, Blake wrote: > (KDE2 rocks) So there's a CD burning prog that comes with kde2? Good, some guy at work just converted to Linux and I didn't want to make him mkisofs/cdrecord. What's the program called? I can't find the obvious 'kcdburn' or 'kcdrec' or anything... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 18 23:59:13 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22852] Teleconferencing? In-Reply-To: <39EE2092.D76DBCF4@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 cory@real-time.com wrote: > Has anyone tried doing teleconferencing between a Linux box and a MS > Windows box? I'm talking real time video and sound over the Internet. I did a while ago. There's a program that's compatible with cuseeme, I forgot the name (qseeme? something...) What it does is it'll capture an area on the screen and send that to the other end, so I'd run xawtv, have the webcam display on that, and send THAT over... what can I say, it worked, although we didn't try audio. Yes, the other side was a Windoze box. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 19 00:45:11 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper Message-ID: Oracle works sweet under linux, however, Sybase is another story. We were using it for one of our sites for awhile and it had some issues. It would die for no reason sometimes, and sometimes take 99% of the CPU, even when no queries were executing. Didn't take much to tip it over. I've been looking at postgres lately. It's a true RDBMS, and it has some sweet features. IMHO, I don't think MySQL can really be compared with postgres or MS SQL. MySQL is nice for small projects, but lacks many features, and if you're worried about data integrity, especially after a power outage or whatever, mysql is evil. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Joel Schneider [mailto:jts@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:23 PM To: TCLUG Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper > Since I have never really used NT for anything, I am not sure I totally > understand the licensing agreements. > > I am writing a paper comparing linux to nt from a cost prospective (money). The following is a couple years old and doesn't speak directly to licensing issues, but it may still be helpful. Providing Reliable NT Desktop Services by Avoiding NT Server: http://www.bell-labs.com/user/tal/papers/ntdesktop/ntdesktop/ntdesktop.html > Doing a similar thing for Postgres vs MySQL vs MS SQL server vs MS Access. What about Oracle, Sybase, Informix, and IBM (DB2)? I've seen rumors that the free version of Sybase works well under Linux... > MS Access seems to say single user, so as a db backend to a busy website, is the > NT box the 1 user? Licensing issues aside, (IMHO) MS Access shouldn't be used as a repository for mission critical data. What happens if (when) the MDB file becomes "corrupted"? Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 19 00:48:55 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22868] cpu error Message-ID: At lilo type: linux x86_serial_nr=0 (replace "linux" with a different kernel name if necessary) After it boots, put an append statement in /etc/lilo.conf for that option you just added and run /sbin/lilo Durons don't have the intel serial number baked into it, so it hoses up the boot process. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:57 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22868] cpu error Hi, On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Rodney Ray wrote: > So I went out and bought a Duron cpu and MSI K7T board in hope to get my box backup and running, well. If anyone has had simular problems let me know. Eh, no wordwrap. > cpu amd duron processor stepping 00 > enabling extened fast fpu save restore .... done. > disabling cpuid serial number .. general protection fault:0000 I'd go into the kernel and, uh, whatever it's doing with serial numbers now, make it the reverse (; Might be way off, of course. Try building the kernel with liek a 386 as the CPU type. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 19 00:59:49 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation References: Message-ID: <39EE8DD5.B45AED03@tcfreenet.org> > running kernel have are already selected. Enable SCSI emulation, SCSI > generic devices, and you MUST disable ATAPI cdrom support. Otherwise it > will use ATAPI support by default and the SCSI emulation won't work. Don't disable it, modularise it. Then you can use it if you really need to. (cdparanoia used to not work with IDE scsi, they finally fixed that so I guess that point is moot...) Don't forget SCSI CDROM support as well, along with vendor specific extentions. And to make ide-scsi autoload all slick like, add to /etc/conf.modules: alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi You'll want to use all your cdroms through ide-scsi from now on. They'll show up on /dev/scd0, /dev/scd1, etc, change your fstab accordingly... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 19 01:02:01 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22812] Licensing of NT in a linux vs nt whitepaper References: <39EE7719.EC34A8AF@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39EE8E59.11CEE000@tcfreenet.org> > What about Oracle, Sybase, Informix, and IBM (DB2)? I've seen rumors > that the free version of Sybase works well under Linux... Its what distributed.net runs off of. Make of that what you will... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 19 01:07:24 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22854] Installation problem References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA30A@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: <39EE8F9C.177F9B9A@tcfreenet.org> > The problem I am having is that (1)at varying points during the install, the > system will freeze, or (2)after a successful installation will freeze during > the reboot, or (3) after a successful installation and reboot, the system > will freeze after running for a short time. It seems independent of whether > I install X. In the case of 2 or 3 above, if I hit the reset button on the > box, linux starts to boot, does an fsck and basically tells me that my > filesystem has been trashed. Also, the installation process tells me that I > have very little memory and if, after installation, it successfully reboots, > the dmesg file reports only about 15MB of RAM. Lets see the dmesg. You probably need a "mem=80M" on the kernel command line for one thing, since Linux isn't very good at detecting on machines with more than 64M for some reason. :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 08:05:37 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies References: Message-ID: <003701c039cd$4694f520$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I used to use a 250W power supply with a 10/100 Linksys NIC, TNT2 Ultra, DVD, CDRW, SB PCI512 and two ATA66 20GB Western Digital Drives and never had a problem. Now I have a 300W power supply with my new case and the ABIT KA-7 board and I don't have any power problems either. BTW - there is no such thing as quality of power. If you are getting 250W, that is it - you have 250W. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies > Hey everyone, > > I understand that Athlon processors are more finicky than most when it comes > to power supplies. Does anyone know if it's a question of power or quality > of power? If I buy an Enlight mid-tower case with a 300W power supply, will > I be OK? (I'm looking at the EN7237 model, $74.99 at Tran.) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 08:07:19 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22868] cpu error References: Message-ID: <004401c039cd$83b91e40$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Either do Athlons, but I never had a problem booting Redhat 6.2. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:48 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22868] cpu error > At lilo type: > linux x86_serial_nr=0 (replace "linux" with a different kernel name if > necessary) > > After it boots, put an append statement in /etc/lilo.conf for that option > you just added and run /sbin/lilo > > Durons don't have the intel serial number baked into it, so it hoses up the > boot process. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22868] cpu error > > > Hi, > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Rodney Ray wrote: > > > So I went out and bought a Duron cpu and MSI K7T board in hope to get my > box backup and running, well. If anyone has had simular problems let me > know. > > Eh, no wordwrap. > > > cpu amd duron processor stepping 00 > > enabling extened fast fpu save restore .... done. > > disabling cpuid serial number .. general protection fault:0000 > > I'd go into the kernel and, uh, whatever it's doing with serial numbers > now, make it the reverse (; > > Might be way off, of course. Try building the kernel with liek a 386 as > the CPU type. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 08:08:34 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies References: Message-ID: <004d01c039cd$b0791ca0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> > Tran have a nice 333Watt PSU that's Athlon-approved. Also has more drive > connectors than you can shake a dead cat at! Which is probably what caused your power supply to explode in the first place :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > > -Yaron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 19 08:31:26 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: <003701c039cd$4694f520$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > BTW - there is no such thing as quality of power. If you are getting 250W, > that is it - you have 250W. I should have put that in quotes. I guess what I was referring to was the overall stability of the voltages, etc. Stuff that distinguishes a cheapo power supply from a higher quality one. OTOH, I've never really had the occasion to look at it before. Maybe all power supplies do that reasonably well. I don't know. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Thu Oct 19 11:37:11 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation Message-ID: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Heres what I did, and the errors I got: make xconfig make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "xconfig". STOP. make menuconfig make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "menuconfig". STOP. make dep && make clean && make bzlilo && make modules && make modules_install make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "dep". STOP. Am I missing the source or what? I have the kernel source on a seperate cd. "Don't disable it, modularise it." Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > then, tar xvfz linux-2.2.17.tar.gz -C /usr/src You shouldn't put new kernels in /usr/src/linux. If you do you'll end up overwriting the header files which libc was compiled against. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 19 09:38:34 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: <004d01c039cd$b0791ca0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Tran have a nice 333Watt PSU that's Athlon-approved. Also has more drive > > connectors than you can shake a dead cat at! > Which is probably what caused your power supply to explode in the first > place :) What, feeling inadequate knowing there's better PSUs out there? (I don't get it). -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 09:43:06 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com>; from minibiker@prontomail.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:37:11AM -0700 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Are you running make in /usr/local/linux? What's in /usr/local/linux on your machine? There should be a bunch of directories and Makefiles and such in there. Gabe On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:37:11AM -0700, Blake wrote: > Heres what I did, and the errors I got: > > make xconfig > make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "xconfig". STOP. > make menuconfig > make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "menuconfig". STOP. > make dep && make clean && make bzlilo && make modules && make modules_install > make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "dep". STOP. > > Am I missing the source or what? I have the kernel source on a seperate cd. > > "Don't disable it, modularise it." -Blake > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 19 09:41:24 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Blake wrote: > Heres what I did, and the errors I got: > > make xconfig > make: *** NO RULE TO MAKE TARGET "xconfig". STOP. You either don't have the source or you're in the wrong directory. You should go get the newest stable kernel source from ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/linux-2.2.17.tar.gz (unless 2.2.18 came out while I was sleeping). Unpack that in /usr/local/src (tar zxvf linux-2.2.17.tar.gz). It'll create a directory called 'linux'. cd into it and then go 'make xconfig'. Good luck. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 19 09:42:37 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: <39EF085D.20F69DA5@ltiflex.com> Sounds like no kernel source to me. You can grab the kernel source from ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.17.tar.gz or ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.17.tar.bz2 then, tar xvfz linux-2.2.17.tar.gz -C /usr/src or tar xvfI linux-2.2.17.tar.bz2 -C /usr/src Now you can cd to /usr/src/linux and make menuconfig should work. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 09:56:17 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:43:06AM -0500 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:43:06AM -0500, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Are you running make in /usr/local/linux? What's in /usr/local/linux on > your machine? There should be a bunch of directories and Makefiles and > such in there. > Bah! I only had one bottle of Bawls this morning... That should be /usr/src/linux, not /usr/local/linux. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 09:58:37 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22888] Kernel Source Tree (was: Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation) In-Reply-To: <39EF0A62.EA01AAA1@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:51:14AM -0500 References: <39EF0A62.EA01AAA1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001019095837.C23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:51:14AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > then, tar xvfz linux-2.2.17.tar.gz -C /usr/src > > > > You shouldn't put new kernels in /usr/src/linux. If you do you'll end up > > overwriting the header files which libc was compiled against. > > Not on every system. Debian shoves thouse headers in /usr/include/linux. So > the command is safe on a Debian system. Sorry, distro biased command. =) > Yeah, I've always done it the historical way and thrown my src in /usr/src, but according to Linus, we should all be building our kernel in our home directories as non-root users... Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 19 09:51:14 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22888] Kernel Source Tree (was: Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation) References: Message-ID: <39EF0A62.EA01AAA1@ltiflex.com> > > then, tar xvfz linux-2.2.17.tar.gz -C /usr/src > > You shouldn't put new kernels in /usr/src/linux. If you do you'll end up > overwriting the header files which libc was compiled against. Not on every system. Debian shoves thouse headers in /usr/include/linux. So the command is safe on a Debian system. Sorry, distro biased command. =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 19 09:59:34 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22888] Kernel Source Tree (was: Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation) In-Reply-To: <20001019095837.C23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:51:14AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > > then, tar xvfz linux-2.2.17.tar.gz -C /usr/src > > > > > > You shouldn't put new kernels in /usr/src/linux. If you do you'll end up > > > overwriting the header files which libc was compiled against. > > > > Not on every system. Debian shoves thouse headers in /usr/include/linux. So > > the command is safe on a Debian system. Sorry, distro biased command. =) Redhat too... > Yeah, I've always done it the historical way and thrown my src in /usr/src, > but according to Linus, we should all be building our kernel in our home > directories as non-root users... This is recommended safer practice for any compile; or, for that matter any operation at all: don't do it as root if you don't have to! Andy > > Gabe > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nolanjm at juno.com Thu Oct 19 10:17:01 2000 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22893] Re: tclug-list Digest 19 Oct 2000 13:32:31 -0000 Issue 754 PS quality Message-ID: <20001019.101703.-459007.0.nolanjm@juno.com> when referring to quality of power I think you need to remember that ripple output is what is commonly meant. For any critical apps you want the ripple to be very low preferrably pure DC. This can be checked with an o-scope. If you stay away from the cheapies you will probably be ok. also remember these PS are now switching, (no transformers) so you really can't repair them without special equip. Jerry ET USPS ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 19 10:41:17 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22893] Re: PS quality In-Reply-To: <20001019.101703.-459007.0.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: > low preferrably pure DC. This can be checked with an o-scope. So, does that mean that you can use an o-scope software app on a linux box? And (to be facetious) would it be possible to rig a setup so that you could perform this test on the linux box in which that PS is installed? Andy > If you stay away from the cheapies you will probably be ok. also > remember these PS are now switching, (no transformers) so you really > can't repair them without special equip. Jerry ET USPS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 19 10:44:01 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 09:56:17AM -0500 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001019104401.O8232@real-time.com> > Bah! I only had one bottle of Bawls this morning... > > That should be /usr/src/linux, not /usr/local/linux. > > Gabe so do you get yours through Thinkgeek as well? or have you found another (cheaper?) source? we drink pretty impressive quantities of it around here. has anyone figured out anything cool to do with the bottles? they've got such a unique design, it seems a shame to just recycle them for the glass. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 19 10:44:48 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22888] Kernel Source Tree References: <39EF0A62.EA01AAA1@ltiflex.com> <20001019095837.C23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39EF16F0.AD57E008@ltiflex.com> While we're kinda on the subject, haw about a compiling your kernel on debian howto? This isn't exactly official, but it's how I do it. I use /usr/src/ because that's where make-kpkg expects to find the stuff. My new kernel procedure is: grab source (usually from kernel.org, or just something I grab when selecting packages for the first time.) rm /usr/src/linux mkdir /usr/src/kernel-source-version ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-version /usr/src/linux chown -R root:src /usr/src/linux make menuconfig (or make xconfig) as a normal user in the src group. sudo make-kpkg --revision=whatever kernel_image sudo make-kpkg modules_image mv /lib/modules/kernel-version /lib/moules/kernel-version.old (if you're recompiling the same kernel version) dpkg -i kernel-image-version_revision_i386.deb modules-image-version_revision_i386.deb *** modules_image This target allows you to build all packages under /usr/src/modules, but does not create the source or diff files, and does not create and sign a changes file. This is the only modules related option you need if you just want to compile the add on modules image files for installation on one or more machines. *** The modules image builds my alsa drivers as well as i2c and lm-sensors, which are in the debian packages alsa-source, i2c-source, and lm-sensors-source. Follow the documentation that comes with each packages. Other things I could build but don't are: kernel_headers, kernel_doc, and if you want to break your system today, libc-kheaders (this image is for the libc maintainers, as it builds the package that will update /usr/include/linux). There are probally ways to refine the process, but as it is, it works and that's all I need on my home system. There was a time when I didn't use the make-kpkg tool, but make-kpkg is faster than make dep; make modules; make modules install; make bzImage; etc. Yup, I got lazy. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 10:59:15 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] In-Reply-To: <20001019104401.O8232@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 10:44:01AM -0500 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019104401.O8232@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001019105915.E23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > so do you get yours through Thinkgeek as well? or have you found another > (cheaper?) source? > > we drink pretty impressive quantities of it around here. > > has anyone figured out anything cool to do with the bottles? they've got > such a unique design, it seems a shame to just recycle them for the glass. > Yeah, I got it through Thinkgeek, but never again. I can't afford their outrageous shipping prices (it came to $38 for a case!). I'm trying to get the ACM chapter at the U of M to contact the only Bawls distributor in Minnesota (some place out in Roseville off 36). Then I'd be able to buy a case off them occassionally. I drink 2 bottles a day minimum and am afraid of what will happen if I stop :) I had to give up coffee though. I swear it was eating my stomach away. Anyway, I bet since Realtime is a business, you could call up the distributor and say that you want to stock Bawls for your employees. In theory, they have no reason not to deny you access to the sweetness that is Bawls. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 19 11:05:20 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] Message-ID: <0G2O00JN1PY1DB@mail1.supervalu.com> Um... $38 is not an unreasonable amount for a case to cost for shipping. Most places will charge that much. (I have bought many cases online, as usually online cost of case+shipping is still usually less than local cost of case + sales tax). Nick Reinking dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/19/2000 10:59:15 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] > > so do you get yours through Thinkgeek as well? or have you found another > (cheaper?) source? > > we drink pretty impressive quantities of it around here. > > has anyone figured out anything cool to do with the bottles? they've got > such a unique design, it seems a shame to just recycle them for the glass. > Yeah, I got it through Thinkgeek, but never again. I can't afford their outrageous shipping prices (it came to $38 for a case!). I'm trying to get the ACM chapter at the U of M to contact the only Bawls distributor in Minnesota (some place out in Roseville off 36). Then I'd be able to buy a case off them occassionally. I drink 2 bottles a day minimum and am afraid of what will happen if I stop :) I had to give up coffee though. I swear it was eating my stomach away. Anyway, I bet since Realtime is a business, you could call up the distributor and say that you want to stock Bawls for your employees. In theory, they have no reason not to deny you access to the sweetness that is Bawls. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 19 11:09:35 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] In-Reply-To: <20001019105915.E23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 10:59:15AM -0500 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019104401.O8232@real-time.com> <20001019105915.E23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001019110935.P8232@real-time.com> > Yeah, I got it through Thinkgeek, but never again. I can't afford their > outrageous shipping prices (it came to $38 for a case!). I'm trying to get > the ACM chapter at the U of M to contact the only Bawls distributor in > Minnesota (some place out in Roseville off 36). Then I'd be able to buy a > case off them occassionally. I drink 2 bottles a day minimum and am afraid > of what will happen if I stop :) I had to give up coffee though. I swear > it was eating my stomach away. I think we got it slightly cheaper than that; but only because we bought a good quantity of it. Have to ask Nate. it does seem easier on your guts than Mt.Dew. I had an ulcer for a while, from drinking too much Mt.Dew on an empty stomach. :( > Anyway, I bet since Realtime is a business, you could call up the > distributor and say that you want to stock Bawls for your employees. In > theory, they have no reason not to deny you access to the sweetness that is > Bawls. hmm.. it's a thought. do you know the name/# of the local distributor? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 11:23:52 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] In-Reply-To: <20001019110935.P8232@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 11:09:35AM -0500 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019104401.O8232@real-time.com> <20001019105915.E23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019110935.P8232@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001019112352.F23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > hmm.. it's a thought. > do you know the name/# of the local distributor? > No, I don't recall the name, but it's on the Bawls website somewhere. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 11:35:52 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22903] DNS delegation Message-ID: <20001019113552.A31946@yahoo.com> Does anyone know how to set up domain name delegation? I want to set up a nameserver on the internet that will do reverse lookups for a chunk of IP's. My upstream ISP has already delegated the IP's to me but do I need to do anything more than that? I heard that I need to register the in-addr.arpa address. Who do I register that with, the registrar I registered my domain name with? Thanks in advance. Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 19 11:24:34 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] In-Reply-To: <20001019112352.F23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 11:23:52AM -0500 References: <3CD285E5EA5A4D115A450005B80A2E33@minibiker.prontomail.com> <20001019094306.A23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019095617.B23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019104401.O8232@real-time.com> <20001019105915.E23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001019110935.P8232@real-time.com> <20001019112352.F23983@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001019112434.Q8232@real-time.com> > No, I don't recall the name, but it's on the Bawls website somewhere. www.bawls.com is Under Construction, but I called their phone #, and got the info: All Saints Brands 2241 Hwy 36 W. Frontage St. Roseville, MN 55113 651-636-3666 Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 19 11:18:14 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22829] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22826] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) In-Reply-To: <20001018035236.B18738@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:52:36AM -0500 References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org> <20001018035236.B18738@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001019111814.D484@wookimus.net> Those are very useful comparisons, especially for smaller businesses with tight budgets. I think to convince the larger companies or companies with a love affair with Microsoft, you'll need more data to convince them that Linux is the right solution. There are a number of things to consider when building a database-driven website. Security, as in firewalls, administration costs (remote admin of Linux as opposed to physical access needed for NT, or hacky and insecure software), scalability (purchase of additional servers), high availability services, service integration, such as LDAP services, IMAP services, etc. Has anyone here tried to replace hardware on an NT box? I know Zibby understands the difficulty I'm going to elude to. Whereas replacing hardware on Linux can as simple as powering off the machine, swapping the hardware, and powering up, NT has never been as simple. NT's Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) is largely inflexible. In order to replace a motherboard on an NT box, you must back the system up to tape. Shutdown the box. Replace the motherboard. Reinstall the operating system, and then restore from tape EXCEPT the device drivers (*.sys files). Frankly, I'd rather have to compile a new driver than have to reinstall an entire OS (which, with NT may take an excess of 8 hours). The difference in administration costs alone make the $7k+ difference in software cost seem like child's play. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I have bought > many cases online, as usually online cost of case+shipping is still > usually less than local cost of case + sales tax). > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 10/19/2000 10:59:15 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] > > > > > so do you get yours through Thinkgeek as well? or have you found another > > (cheaper?) source? > > > > we drink pretty impressive quantities of it around here. > > > > has anyone figured out anything cool to do with the bottles? they've got > > such a unique design, it seems a shame to just recycle them for the glass. > > > Yeah, I got it through Thinkgeek, but never again. I can't afford their > outrageous shipping prices (it came to $38 for a case!). I'm trying to get > the ACM chapter at the U of M to contact the only Bawls distributor in > Minnesota (some place out in Roseville off 36). Then I'd be able to buy a > case off them occassionally. I drink 2 bottles a day minimum and am afraid > of what will happen if I stop :) I had to give up coffee though. I swear > it was eating my stomach away. > > Anyway, I bet since Realtime is a business, you could call up the > distributor and say that you want to stock Bawls for your employees. In > theory, they have no reason not to deny you access to the sweetness that is > Bawls. > > Gabe > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 19 11:28:35 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22829] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org> <20001018035236.B18738@real-time.com> <20001019111814.D484@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39EF2133.6E8FD982@ltiflex.com> It's not just NT, replacing the motherboard on any windows system warrents a reinstall. Windows 9x (and ME) will at least boot and run, but they seem to do it in an unstable fashion. Example: OpenGL stuff worked fine on my old motherboard. Swapped boards, and even trying to fire up something OpenGL destablized windows to the point of rebooting. Linux didn't care, at all. The only issue with Linux I've has is flashing the Motherboard BIOS. For some reason Linux really didn't like that and wouldn't boot, and the partitions we're all intact. NT is beyond all hope when it comes to hardware changes. But then again it's NT, if you're changing the moterboard on it it's probally time to just reinstall the OS anyway. If I haven't said enough yet, try figuring out how to get read+write access to an NTFS filesystem without starting NT. If I could figure that one out I'd be able easily pull some data off Sparky the Server's RAID array. Yes, when I say Sparky I mean it. This server died with sparks and a puff of smoke. The motherboard is charred in places. Looks like 768MB out of 1024MB or RAM survived the experience. Anyone know a good method of checking processors? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 19 11:46:19 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22829] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) Message-ID: <0G2O00KDNRUB6W@mail1.supervalu.com> I'm not sure what problems you people are having. I've changed multiple motherboards on NT4/NT5 without problems at all. Hmm. WinXX is a problem, tho - but you should be okay as long as you swap with a mobo that has the same north/south bridge. Nick Reinking andyzb@ltiflex.com, on 10/19/2000 11:28:35 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22829] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) It's not just NT, replacing the motherboard on any windows system warrents a reinstall. Windows 9x (and ME) will at least boot and run, but they seem to do it in an unstable fashion. Example: OpenGL stuff worked fine on my old motherboard. Swapped boards, and even trying to fire up something OpenGL destablized windows to the point of rebooting. Linux didn't care, at all. The only issue with Linux I've has is flashing the Motherboard BIOS. For some reason Linux really didn't like that and wouldn't boot, and the partitions we're all intact. NT is beyond all hope when it comes to hardware changes. But then again it's NT, if you're changing the moterboard on it it's probally time to just reinstall the OS anyway. If I haven't said enough yet, try figuring out how to get read+write access to an NTFS filesystem without starting NT. If I could figure that one out I'd be able easily pull some data off Sparky the Server's RAID array. Yes, when I say Sparky I mean it. This server died with sparks and a puff of smoke. The motherboard is charred in places. Looks like 768MB out of 1024MB or RAM survived the experience. Anyone know a good method of checking processors? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Oct 19 11:54:39 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22829] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) References: <20001018024735.A9591@borca.ravenloft.real-time.com> <39ED5C5B.5ABBB9C1@tcfreenet.org> <20001018033303.B16867@real-time.com> <39ED632A.8866A2C7@tcfreenet.org> <20001018035236.B18738@real-time.com> <20001019111814.D484@wookimus.net> <39EF2133.6E8FD982@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39EF274F.A6D2FC8A@innominatus.com> My experience with changing motherboards with windows 9x and NT and linux 9x: I always remove all motherboard resources in the device manager, and any others that are going bye-bye, before shutting down the last time with that board. After the new board is in, it redetects all the new resources. There shouldn't be any duplicates or anything. 95% of the time that works fine. NT: I do nothing. Shutdown the box, replaced the board. Powered up and everything was fine. I have done this twice. Once from a Single Pentium 100, changed to a Dual Pentium 133. Once from a Pentium 133, changed to Pentium II 266 (this box now runs Debian only). Although I MAY have reinstalled the last service pack installed, but I cant remember. Linux: I just make sure that any drivers the new board needs are compiled into the kernel before shutting down for the last time. Replace the board, and go. I havent reinstalled (format, reload all software) my main computer since DOS 5. I still have my DOS directory with all sorts of DOS based viewers and things. Norton Commander, svga.exe (viewer), all the DOS based archiving programs, etc. I upgraded to DOS 6.22, then Win3.11, then Win95, then Win95 OSR2, then Win98, then 98SE, then Windows 2000 with dual boot Debian. There have been about 5 or 6 total hardware changes. But the data and such is still there. This is just my experience. Not making any claims, or giving advice. You can all think I am crazy if you like. Andy Zbikowski wrote: > It's not just NT, replacing the motherboard on any windows system warrents a > reinstall. Windows 9x (and ME) will at least boot and run, but they seem to > do it in an unstable fashion. Example: OpenGL stuff worked fine on my old > motherboard. Swapped boards, and even trying to fire up something OpenGL > destablized windows to the point of rebooting. Linux didn't care, at all. > The only issue with Linux I've has is flashing the Motherboard BIOS. For > some reason Linux really didn't like that and wouldn't boot, and the > partitions we're all intact. > > NT is beyond all hope when it comes to hardware changes. But then again it's > NT, if you're changing the moterboard on it it's probally time to just > reinstall the OS anyway. If I haven't said enough yet, try figuring out how > to get read+write access to an NTFS filesystem without starting NT. If I > could figure that one out I'd be able easily pull some data off Sparky the > Server's RAID array. Yes, when I say Sparky I mean it. This server died with > sparks and a puff of smoke. The motherboard is charred in places. Looks like > 768MB out of 1024MB or RAM survived the experience. Anyone know a good > method of checking processors? > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Thu Oct 19 11:45:05 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22829] NT vs Linux (Price Comparision for database backend Web Server) In-Reply-To: <0G2O00KDNRUB6W@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <000e01c039eb$eec24220$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > WinXX is a problem, tho - but you should be okay as long as you swap > with a mobo that has the same north/south bridge. > Ah, so it's a feng shui thing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 19 11:48:56 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] Message-ID: I think it's probably the same distributor that sells Red Bull. If you haven't tried Red Bull yet, you must. Most bars in downtown MPLS have started to carry it, and Joe's Market by the U of MN has it. It's about $2 a can, but well worth it. Has about as much caffiene as coffee, but also has taurine and glucoronolactone. I drank 3 cans at first avenue one night and I couldn't fall asleep until 5am. It has been banned in clubs in the UK because everyone mixes it with vodka and extremely wired drunk people are not good. There were too many fights and stupid stuff happening, so it got banned from clubs. A friend of mine lives over there and she's really annoyed by that. It basically tastes like liquified Smarties, really tasty, and you can smell it across the room when someone opens a can. It smells really good. I'm addicted. Jay -----Original Message----- From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:24 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22897] Bawls [was Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation] > hmm.. it's a thought. > do you know the name/# of the local distributor? > No, I don't recall the name, but it's on the Bawls website somewhere. Gabe -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren? Wherever you have nerve endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Ren's Toothache" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 19 12:14:29 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22888] Kernel Source Tree (was: Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation) In-Reply-To: <39EF0A62.EA01AAA1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Not on every system. Debian shoves thouse headers in /usr/include/linux. So > the command is safe on a Debian system. Sorry, distro biased command. =) Actually, Red Hat 7 also fixes this, but still. (: -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 19 12:16:08 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22888] Kernel Source Tree (was: Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Yeah, I've always done it the historical way and thrown my src in /usr/src, > > but according to Linus, we should all be building our kernel in our home > > directories as non-root users... > This is recommended safer practice for any compile; or, for that matter > any operation at all: don't do it as root if you don't have to! Non-root, sure, but I'm not doing that in my homedir. Too much of a mess there anyway... I just have /usr/local/src chowned to my regular user. On my home system, anyway. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 19 12:26:37 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22912] Posting FAQ Message-ID: <20001019122637.D4142@real-time.com> I am getting many posts to the tclug-list from addressess not subscribed to the list. The result is these message get rejected. If you want to post from an address not subscribed to the list, please send me email with the list of addresses you wish to post from. I'll add these addresses to the "allow" file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 19 12:37:16 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22913] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22903] DNS delegation In-Reply-To: <20001019113552.A31946@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 11:35:52AM -0500 References: <20001019113552.A31946@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001019123716.C5096@real-time.com> Quoting Tim Sandquist (tsandqui@yahoo.com): > Does anyone know how to set up domain name delegation? > > I want to set up a nameserver on the internet that will > do reverse lookups for a chunk of IP's. My upstream > ISP has already delegated the IP's to me but do I need > to do anything more than that? I heard that I need to > register the in-addr.arpa address. Who do I register > that with, the registrar I registered my domain name with? If your isp has done they job, they should have delegated the zone to you and made the appropriate changes at arin. I use swip and it's use could fill a complete day of talking . :-0 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 12:38:29 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies References: Message-ID: <001d01c039f3$65d66740$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> It is not likely a power supply will vary in the power it supplies. However, the ability of a power supply to supply maximum power for a very long time before failing is probably what determines the quality of a power supply. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > BTW - there is no such thing as quality of power. If you are getting 250W, > > that is it - you have 250W. > > I should have put that in quotes. I guess what I was referring to was the > overall stability of the voltages, etc. Stuff that distinguishes a cheapo > power supply from a higher quality one. OTOH, I've never really had the > occasion to look at it before. Maybe all power supplies do that reasonably > well. I don't know. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 12:39:22 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies References: Message-ID: <002401c039f3$8577a1e0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> I was talking about the cat. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies > Hi, > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > Tran have a nice 333Watt PSU that's Athlon-approved. Also has more drive > > > connectors than you can shake a dead cat at! > > Which is probably what caused your power supply to explode in the first > > place :) > > What, feeling inadequate knowing there's better PSUs out there? (I don't > get it). > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Oct 19 12:43:28 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22913] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22903] DNS delegation In-Reply-To: <20001019123716.C5096@real-time.com> Message-ID: /me cringes at the thought of SWIP... All you should need to do is configure BIND with the in-addr.arpa zone that you've been delegated and go to it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > If your isp has done they job, they should have delegated the zone to you and > made the appropriate changes at arin. I use swip and it's use could fill a > complete day of talking . :-0 > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 13:04:33 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22917] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22903] DNS delegation In-Reply-To: <20001019123716.C5096@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 12:37:16PM -0500 References: <20001019113552.A31946@yahoo.com> <20001019123716.C5096@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001019130433.A32053@yahoo.com> On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 12:37:16PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Tim Sandquist (tsandqui@yahoo.com): > > Does anyone know how to set up domain name delegation? > > > > I want to set up a nameserver on the internet that will > > do reverse lookups for a chunk of IP's. My upstream > > ISP has already delegated the IP's to me but do I need > > to do anything more than that? I heard that I need to > > register the in-addr.arpa address. Who do I register > > that with, the registrar I registered my domain name with? > > If your isp has done they job, they should have delegated the zone to you and > made the appropriate changes at arin. I use swip and it's use could fill a > complete day of talking . :-0 > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 I was hoping that was the case. I was poking around at ARIN and they mention that all the delegation stuff should be done by the upstream isp. That makes things easier for me. Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 19 13:32:02 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22852] Teleconferencing? References: <39EE2092.D76DBCF4@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39EF3E22.55DC1264@usfamily.net> I've done it over a win to win box, I cant say that I really want to do it with linux because it will take too much time to get working, and I'm not sure how to get it working. I have a USB camera, so first I will have to get USB working and then the Camera on USB working, and If you can do that the rest should be Easy. cory@real-time.com wrote: > Has anyone tried doing teleconferencing between a Linux box and a MS > Windows box? I'm talking real time video and sound over the Internet. > > If so I'd like to hear about it. > > Thanks. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rchanson at printcraftinc.com Thu Oct 19 14:09:31 2000 From: rchanson at printcraftinc.com (Hanson, Bob C. (PC)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22919] Memory Message-ID: <4EC96B864C1CD211BBC500805FE6FDBC06A7B3E6@mail.taylorcorp.com> How do I get a Red Hat 6.2 system to recognize all the memory in the system? It currently only shows 64MB, but actually has 128MB installed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Oct 19 14:15:47 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22919] Memory In-Reply-To: <4EC96B864C1CD211BBC500805FE6FDBC06A7B3E6@mail.taylorcorp.com>; from rchanson@printcraftinc.com on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 02:09:31PM -0500 References: <4EC96B864C1CD211BBC500805FE6FDBC06A7B3E6@mail.taylorcorp.com> Message-ID: <20001019141547.J19927@sherohman.org> On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 02:09:31PM -0500, Hanson, Bob C. (PC) wrote: > How do I get a Red Hat 6.2 system to recognize all the memory in the system? > It currently only shows 64MB, but actually has 128MB installed. Add the line append="mem=127M" to /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo, and reboot. (It's safer to force it to 1 MB less than is actually installed because some BIOSes use the top MB for their own purposes. You'd probably be OK setting it to 128, but if you have any odd problems after doing so, back it down to 127.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 15:18:00 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: <003701c039cd$4694f520$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > BTW - there is no such thing as quality of power. If you are getting 250W, > that is it - you have 250W. Not exactly. Mostly parts is parts when it comes to buying power supplies, but there's a lot more to this story than that. I'll suggest taking it off list if anyone really wants to open the can of worms. It's really an electrical engineering thing. (Counterexample: 1A at 10V is 10W, but so is 10A at 1V. But we're talking about the dynamics of energy storage and transfer in a switching mode P.S. -- there's a little more math involved. Then we can talk about local decoupling at the board, yada, yada.) But, I agree, that if you go to a store and buy a big enough supply, that should probably take care of your immediate concerns. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 15:24:18 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: <001d01c039f3$65d66740$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > It is not likely a power supply will vary in the power it supplies. Oh, Veldy, someday I must visit your planet. ;) I never would have made a living in electronics had that been true (not that I'm saying power supplies are bad or unreliable.) Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 15:18:40 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: <004d01c039cd$b0791ca0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Tran have a nice 333Watt PSU that's Athlon-approved. Also has more drive > > connectors than you can shake a dead cat at! > > Which is probably what caused your power supply to explode in the first > place :) Yeah, I've never had good luck shaking dead cats, either. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 15:31:05 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies References: Message-ID: <007001c03a0b$827d39b0$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> My planet is nice and cozy thank you. You still a student at the University? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip C Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > It is not likely a power supply will vary in the power it supplies. > > Oh, Veldy, someday I must visit your planet. ;) I never would have made a > living in electronics had that been true (not that I'm saying power > supplies are bad or unreliable.) > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Oct 19 18:02:11 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22912] Posting FAQ In-Reply-To: <20001019122637.D4142@real-time.com> References: <20001019122637.D4142@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00101918054500.00338@homer> Arrggghh... what did I do wrong?? > If you want to post from an address not subscribed to the list, please send me > email with the list of addresses you wish to post from. > I'll add these addresses to the "allow" file. I've sent my request for this twice now, and I also left Bob a voice mail re: this situation. I also sent Bob a third mail asking if there was some issue that prevented him from adding my work host. I have gotten exactly zero replies from all my messages, and I'm starting to feel like the new id10t on the TCLUG list. Any suggestions? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brandon at rhinoventures.com Thu Oct 19 18:34:29 2000 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <006701c03a0b$58439810$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: <39EF3EB5.27283.6ECE6E@localhost> On 19 Oct 2000, at 15:53, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Yeah - but it is quite simple. You are going to have a 120V (this is a > > fixed value) > > Put a meter on your wall outlet, and see how fixed it is, especially in > the summer. Plus or minus 10% is very acceptable, and 20% isn't unheard > of. You never know when NSP is going to sag a little or a lot. This is why I use Line Conditioners on outlets which supply my electronic toys. Brownouts can be a bugger. :-) Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 19 18:55:14 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22930] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22912] Posting FAQ In-Reply-To: <00101918054500.00338@homer>; from blayer@uswest.net on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 06:02:11PM -0500 References: <20001019122637.D4142@real-time.com> <00101918054500.00338@homer> Message-ID: <20001019185514.K19317@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@uswest.net): > I've sent my request for this twice now, and I also left Bob a voice mail re: > this situation. I also sent Bob a third mail asking if there was some issue > that prevented him from adding my work host. I have gotten exactly zero > replies from all my messages, and I'm starting to feel like the new id10t on > the TCLUG list. > > Any suggestions? Sure, I'll take the idiot award. If I also can get under appreciated overworked admin award. :-P Here are my suggestions: 1. You get a real ISP who properly masq your domain name. 2. You get a real ISP who does not bounce the 2 replies I sent to you via email on : From blayer@uswest.net Fri Sep 1 15:22:33 2000 Subject: my emails From b.layer@vikingelectronics.com Thu Oct 12 09:14:25 2000 Subject: please add this host -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 19 15:29:54 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies References: Message-ID: <006701c03a0b$58439810$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Yeah - but it is quite simple. You are going to have a 120V (this is a fixed value) across the power supply unless there is a short. Thus, the only thing that changes is Amperage availability. Assuming the power supply is not shorted or open and it is actually producing 250W, you can be sure you have the power required (which is at most 250W). It doesn't take electrical engineering to get that far (P = I*V = I^2*R). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip C Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > BTW - there is no such thing as quality of power. If you are getting 250W, > > that is it - you have 250W. > > Not exactly. Mostly parts is parts when it comes to buying power > supplies, but there's a lot more to this story than that. I'll suggest > taking it off list if anyone really wants to open the can of worms. It's > really an electrical engineering thing. (Counterexample: 1A at 10V is > 10W, but so is 10A at 1V. But we're talking about the dynamics of energy > storage and transfer in a switching mode P.S. -- there's a little more > math involved. Then we can talk about local decoupling at the board, > yada, yada.) > > But, I agree, that if you go to a store and buy a big enough supply, that > should probably take care of your immediate concerns. > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Thu Oct 19 19:21:50 2000 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Dan Willenbring) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown Message-ID: Hello everyone, I just wanted to pipe up and let everyone know about The Stomping Grounds grand opening (www.thestompinggrounds.com) this Saturday. I went and took a look at it last weekend, they had some preview thing, and it looks real nice. They have some very nice high end systems, and... errm well at least their servers are running Linux =) Dan Willenbring --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Thu Oct 19 20:17:55 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22862] SCSI emulation Message-ID: <20001020011755.26731.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Go to your favorite magazine shop (or better send the guy) and get a copy of the Sept/Oct issue of Maximum Linux. Cover: Learn to Burn in big red letters. They reference KreateCD in the GUI frontends section. I haven't got it running yet but I've been solving other issues and hope to get to that real soon now. ;-) On Wed, 18 October 2000, Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:25:05PM -0700, Blake wrote: > > > (KDE2 rocks) > > So there's a CD burning prog that comes with kde2? Good, some guy at work > just converted to Linux and I didn't want to make him > mkisofs/cdrecord. What's the program called? I can't find the obvious > 'kcdburn' or 'kcdrec' or anything... > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 19 15:53:05 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies In-Reply-To: <006701c03a0b$58439810$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Yeah - but it is quite simple. You are going to have a 120V (this is a > fixed value) Put a meter on your wall outlet, and see how fixed it is, especially in the summer. Plus or minus 10% is very acceptable, and 20% isn't unheard of. You never know when NSP is going to sag a little or a lot. > across the power supply unless there is a short. Thus, the > only thing that changes is Amperage availability. This assumes that the switcher is working in the first place. If your switch clock freq. isn't within tolerances, the integral of the voltage w.r.t. time varies, and so does the output voltage. If you have problems with filter caps (and caps are the *least* predictable component made) your output voltage will vary. In a linear mode supply, there's a few ways that the regulator can get out of whack too. > Assuming the power supply > is not shorted or open and it is actually producing 250W, you can be sure > you have the power required (which is at most 250W). It doesn't take > electrical engineering to get that far (P = I*V = I^2*R). You don't take into account the stiffness of the regulator or the dynamics of the load -- hard drives spinning up and down, fans, what have you. It's not a binary on/off situation. I'm still not saying that you're going to run into trouble by buying the right size P.S. at (insert store here). But, I've repaired gear with both linear and switched mode power supplies, and seen problems occur. I've even seen problems when someone puts what they think is a brand-new, good P.S. in a box, but it turns out that some ancillary spec was not sufficient -- so there are some 250W supplies that *might* not work in certain circumstances. These *STILL* should be non-issues in everyday life, but I don't agree that every one will *never* have *any* problem. It ain't that big a deal. Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 19 21:07:18 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22933] Installing Debian with ATA-100 Message-ID: Hey everyone, I bit the bullet and picked up a Asus A7V board and Athlan 800 CPU today. Can anyone give me a heads up on which Debian install floppies will be kosher with the Promise ATA-100 controller? An aside: the ATA-100 controller shows up as a SCSI controller in the Win98 Device manager. Interesting. Or not... -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 19 18:20:56 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22928] serial port device Message-ID: Awhile back, I saw a little pocket size device that opened up and had a small keyboard and small dot matrix lcd display. It had a standard RS-232 serial port on it also. You could plug it into a router or whatever and use it as a terminal console. Basically, it was just a pocket serial terminal. Does anyone know who made these and where I can get a couple. They were cheap, like $99 or so. Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 19 22:46:31 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown Message-ID: Mmmm, Stevie Case. I have the issue of a certain magazine produced by Hugh Heffner that she was in. Very nice. I'm only a couple blocks away from this place. I guess I found a new way to waste my life away. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Dan Willenbring [mailto:DJWILLENBRIN@stthomas.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:22 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown Hello everyone, I just wanted to pipe up and let everyone know about The Stomping Grounds grand opening (www.thestompinggrounds.com) this Saturday. I went and took a look at it last weekend, they had some preview thing, and it looks real nice. They have some very nice high end systems, and... errm well at least their servers are running Linux =) Dan Willenbring --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 19 22:59:48 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder what ever happened to the original lan-party place downtown.. back in 98 there was one.. wasn't doing very well.. hard to keep up with cost of new boxes. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Dan Willenbring wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I just wanted to pipe up and let everyone know about The Stomping Grounds > grand opening (www.thestompinggrounds.com) this Saturday. I went and took a > look at it last weekend, they had some preview thing, and it looks real > nice. They have some very nice high end systems, and... errm well at least > their servers are running Linux =) > > Dan Willenbring > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 20 00:32:39 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22936] defenestration? Message-ID: <39EFD8F7.E8703E17@tc.umn.edu> When looking up the word "defenestration" on dictionary.com today, I received an unexpected surprise: defenestration n. An act of throwing someone or something out of a window. or... 5. The act of completely removing Micro$oft Windows from a PC in favor of a better OS (typically Linux). I found the fact that dictionary.com's response to this query included the (misspelled?) word "Micro$oft" to be oddly pleasing... Reference: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=defenestration Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Oct 20 01:07:01 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22936] defenestration? In-Reply-To: <39EFD8F7.E8703E17@tc.umn.edu>; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:32:39AM -0500 References: <39EFD8F7.E8703E17@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001020010700.A21520@sherohman.org> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:32:39AM -0500, Joel Schneider wrote: > When looking up the word "defenestration" on dictionary.com today, I > received an unexpected surprise: > > defenestration > n. > An act of throwing someone or something out of a window. > > or... > > 5. The act of completely removing Micro$oft Windows from a PC in > favor of a better OS (typically Linux). > > I found the fact that dictionary.com's response to this query included > the (misspelled?) word "Micro$oft" to be oddly pleasing... You forgot to mention that the #5 definition above is from the Jargon File section of the page, which makes the M$ spelling understandable, perhaps even expected. If only it were from the American Heritage Dictionary's definition... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 20 12:06:25 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:54:01PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:54:01PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > take a look at the Logical Volume Manager for Linux > http://linux.msede.com/lvm/ > > Heinz Mauelshagen was here in MN, giving a presentation at the U, earlier > this year. Very interesting stuff; tho I admit most of it flew way over my > head at the time. :) I've used, and love, LVM in both the development kernel, 2.4, and the stable kernel+patches, 2.2.17 + rawio + lvm 0.8final. It's a WONDERFUL tool that solves all of my partitioning problems and desires. Let's say you have one harddrive, but you'd like to have a separate parition for a number of mount points in your filesystem: ------------------------------ Desired Partition ------------------------------ / /dev/sda3 /boot /dev/sda1 swap /dev/sda2 ------------------------------ (LVM Partitions /dev/sda4) ------------------------------ /usr /dev/vg01/lv_usr /home /dev/vg01/lv_home /home/cvs /dev/vg01/lv_home_cvs /home/ftp /dev/vg01/lv_home_ftp /tmp /dev/vg01/lv_tmp /usr/src /dev/vg01/lv_src /usr/local /dev/vg01/lv_local /var /dev/vg01/lv_var /var/cache/cdiso /dev/vg01/lv_var_cache_cdiso This may seem like overkill for one drive, but if you think about it, the directories that contain files that are changing often (relatively speaking) should be separated from those that are not to combat the fragmentation that will obviously happen. /usr/src, /usr/local, /home, /home/cvs, /var, /tmp are quite dynamic, but /usr, /, and /boot don't change that often. Why subject these the /usr to fragmentation from compiling your kernels in /usr/src, for example. The other great thing about LVM is that it doesn't matter WHAT filesystem you use on each Logical Volume parition. The LV acts as if it were any other system parition; it is a block device that you have complete control over. Also notice that I don't have to worry about logical partitions on the disk. Now, if I want to add a new disk and, say, migrate /home/ftp to it, I can do so simply by paritioning that ENTIRE disk as a physical volume. I can skip the fdisk step entirely, allowing me to use the otherwise reserved administration space on the disk. I can add that physical volume to volume group vg01 if I desire, or start an entirely new VG. You don't necessarily have to understand the entire LVM system to use it in a practical sense, but it is quite powerful and quite flexible. Just like ReiserFS, LVM *can* be installed on the root parition. All in all, LVM is a VERY nice complimentary service to any disk management solution. RAID, "RAID-less" striping, loop back devices, etc. It's all very very cool. ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can add that physical > volume to volume group vg01 if I desire, or start an entirely new VG. This ability alone makes it worth going to LVM. Never again do you need to move all of your data somewhere else when your partition fills up. All you need to do it throw another disk at it, and whammo- more space! That's how HP-UX does its filessystems by default and it make life so much easier. Anyone know if it is possible to resize logical volumes on the fly in Linux? (ala HP's Online JFS) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Oct 20 12:23:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:06:25PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20001020122332.A27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu> WOW! This seems exactly like the AIX LVM. Can you resize the partitions whever you want without loosing data and without rebooting? If not, then I'd say this is more like SGIs XLV LVM which is just basically software RAID. Gabe > > I've used, and love, LVM in both the development kernel, 2.4, and the > stable kernel+patches, 2.2.17 + rawio + lvm 0.8final. It's a > WONDERFUL tool that solves all of my partitioning problems and > desires. Let's say you have one harddrive, but you'd like to have a > separate parition for a number of mount points in your filesystem: > > ------------------------------ > Desired Partition > ------------------------------ > / /dev/sda3 > /boot /dev/sda1 > swap /dev/sda2 > ------------------------------ > (LVM Partitions /dev/sda4) > ------------------------------ > /usr /dev/vg01/lv_usr > /home /dev/vg01/lv_home > /home/cvs /dev/vg01/lv_home_cvs > /home/ftp /dev/vg01/lv_home_ftp > /tmp /dev/vg01/lv_tmp > /usr/src /dev/vg01/lv_src > /usr/local /dev/vg01/lv_local > /var /dev/vg01/lv_var > /var/cache/cdiso /dev/vg01/lv_var_cache_cdiso > > This may seem like overkill for one drive, but if you think about it, > the directories that contain files that are changing often (relatively > speaking) should be separated from those that are not to combat the > fragmentation that will obviously happen. /usr/src, /usr/local, > /home, /home/cvs, /var, /tmp are quite dynamic, but /usr, /, and /boot > don't change that often. Why subject these the /usr to > fragmentation from compiling your kernels in /usr/src, for example. > > The other great thing about LVM is that it doesn't matter WHAT > filesystem you use on each Logical Volume parition. The LV acts as if > it were any other system parition; it is a block device that you have > complete control over. > > Also notice that I don't have to worry about logical partitions on the > disk. > > Now, if I want to add a new disk and, say, migrate /home/ftp to it, I > can do so simply by paritioning that ENTIRE disk as a physical volume. > I can skip the fdisk step entirely, allowing me to use the otherwise > reserved administration space on the disk. I can add that physical > volume to volume group vg01 if I desire, or start an entirely new VG. > > You don't necessarily have to understand the entire LVM system to use > it in a practical sense, but it is quite powerful and quite flexible. > Just like ReiserFS, LVM *can* be installed on the root parition. > > All in all, LVM is a VERY nice complimentary service to any disk > management solution. RAID, "RAID-less" striping, loop back devices, > etc. It's all very very cool. ;-) > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://www.wookimus.net/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Oct 20 12:24:45 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39F07FDD.74454769@structural-wood.com> Well, I've been plowing through all the stuff that was thrown out here and I've got some questions. Those of you using the 3ware Escalade controllers - how are you using them? RAID0 / RAID1 / ???. Are you pushing them hard? What kernel are you using? Are there detectable performance issues? Has anyone tried the hot swap / hot spare that has recently become available? I'm kind of wandering around my office muttering "it's too good to be true". So what are the gotcha's with the Escalade board (so compared to a Mylex Acceleraid 150/170). The thought of spending less money on the hard drives (and more on the CPU/ Memory) has got me hoping the escalade board will work for me... Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Oct 20 12:46:35 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <39F07FDD.74454769@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:24:45PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> <39F07FDD.74454769@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001020124635.C27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, I just ordered a 4-port Escalade from eLinux. It's on back order so I dunno when I'll get it. I also picked up some hot-swap ATA-* drive bays. When I get it all up and running (I'll have 2 45 GB IBM 75GXPs in RAID0 in it to start), I'll send a progress report out to the list. If it works out well, I'm going to get an 8-port card and run 8 14 GB IBMs in a RAID10 config... Should be cool. Gabe On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:24:45PM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Well, I've been plowing through all the stuff that was thrown out here and > I've got some questions. > > Those of you using the 3ware Escalade controllers - how are you using them? > RAID0 / RAID1 / ???. Are you pushing them hard? What kernel are you using? > Are there detectable performance issues? Has anyone tried the hot swap / > hot spare that has recently become available? > > I'm kind of wandering around my office muttering "it's too good to be true". > So what are the gotcha's with the Escalade board (so compared to a Mylex > Acceleraid 150/170). > > The thought of spending less money on the hard drives (and more on the CPU/ > Memory) has got me hoping the escalade board will work for me... > > Kent > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Oct 20 12:47:35 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > I'm trying to compile tuxracer on redhat 7, (with nvidia drivers installed > for GL) anyone had any luck getting it to work? On a related note, anyone get the GL drivers and nVidia working well under RH7? I've got them all installed but OpenGL apps are _s_l_o_w_. Yes, there's only one libGL*, and it's nvidia's. Yes, I've loaded the kernel module. Yes, I'm loading nvidia's glx module for X. Yes, I'm using Driver "nvidia" and not "nv". (; -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Oct 20 13:11:52 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> <39F07FDD.74454769@structural-wood.com> <20001020124635.C27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39F08AE7.D2132B55@innominatus.com> Order it from dvdirect.com. Thats where I got mine. They are in stock, resonably priced, and very fast service. I paid $230 for it. dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Well, I just ordered a 4-port Escalade from eLinux. It's on back order so > I dunno when I'll get it. I also picked up some hot-swap ATA-* drive bays. > When I get it all up and running (I'll have 2 45 GB IBM 75GXPs in RAID0 in it to > start), I'll send a progress report out to the list. If it works out well, > I'm going to get an 8-port card and run 8 14 GB IBMs in a RAID10 config... > Should be cool. > > Gabe > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:24:45PM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Well, I've been plowing through all the stuff that was thrown out here and > > I've got some questions. > > > > Those of you using the 3ware Escalade controllers - how are you using them? > > RAID0 / RAID1 / ???. Are you pushing them hard? What kernel are you using? > > Are there detectable performance issues? Has anyone tried the hot swap / > > hot spare that has recently become available? > > > > I'm kind of wandering around my office muttering "it's too good to be true". > > So what are the gotcha's with the Escalade board (so compared to a Mylex > > Acceleraid 150/170). > > > > The thought of spending less money on the hard drives (and more on the CPU/ > > Memory) has got me hoping the escalade board will work for me... > > > > Kent > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Fri Oct 20 13:02:10 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <972062184.39f07de88394d@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:16:24PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> <972062184.39f07de88394d@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001020130210.A23316@ares.usinternet.com> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:16:24PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >Quoting ^chewie : >> > >This ability alone makes it worth going to LVM. Never again do you need to move >all of your data somewhere else when your partition fills up. All you need to do >it throw another disk at it, and whammo- more space! That's how HP-UX does its >filessystems by default and it make life so much easier. > >Anyone know if it is possible to resize logical volumes on the fly in Linux? >(ala HP's Online JFS) > Yes, Heize does a really cool demo with online resizing with LVM via reiserfs online fs resizing. resizing the filesystem and logical volumes are two different animals so you _will_ need a fs (i.e. reiser, ext3, Tux2, GFS) that can comply. I'll pass along all of your rave reviews to Heinze, he always like to hear that people like his LVM. Soon, it'll be cluster aware too :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 20 12:51:45 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hrmm.. really? what GL apps have you tried.. after upgrading to the NV drivers/GLX, xscreensaver GL stuff got a LOT faster.. and looks nice. I'm running a fresh install (yesterday) of rh7 on a dual 400 celeron, with a viper V770 (TNT2) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > I'm trying to compile tuxracer on redhat 7, (with nvidia drivers installed > > for GL) anyone had any luck getting it to work? > > On a related note, anyone get the GL drivers and nVidia working well under > RH7? I've got them all installed but OpenGL apps are _s_l_o_w_. Yes, > there's only one libGL*, and it's nvidia's. Yes, I've loaded the kernel > module. Yes, I'm loading nvidia's glx module for X. Yes, I'm using Driver > "nvidia" and not "nv". (; > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Fri Oct 20 13:19:44 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c03ac2$5244c940$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > Mmmm, Stevie Case. I have the issue of a certain magazine produced by Hugh > Heffner that she was in. Very nice. > Huh? I understood she was dumped from the issue. They used some of the pics on their site but not in the mag. At least, that's what they said on Old Man Murray -- I never bothered to actually check. Silicone annoys me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Oct 20 13:33:37 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown References: <001d01c03ac2$5244c940$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <39F09000.C4B65556@fruitioninc.com> I just think its funny they picked that pic of her to advert their gaming center, esp since the other two guys are just unprofessional snapshots. There's plenty pics of Stevie that are more, uh, real. I doubt she's going to show up looking like that tomorrow. I don't know her tho, I could be wrong. Its only a few blocks away from my apt, tho. I may just check it out. I remember that other place downtown, I always meant to check it out. > > At least, that's what they said on Old Man Murray -- I never bothered to > actually check. Silicone annoys me. > > I guess you aren't interested in becoming borg, eh? ~jacque --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Fri Oct 20 13:39:57 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: <39F09000.C4B65556@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <001e01c03ac5$253543f0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > > > At least, that's what they said on Old Man Murray -- I never bothered to > > actually check. Silicone annoys me. > > > > > > I guess you aren't interested in becoming borg, eh? > That's siliCON, which I am strongly in favor of. SiliCONE is a plastic which contains the chemical element silicon. http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/silicon.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Oct 20 13:45:17 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <39F08AE7.D2132B55@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:11:52PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> <39F07FDD.74454769@structural-wood.com> <20001020124635.C27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39F08AE7.D2132B55@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001020134517.D27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Cool! Thanks for the tip. I just cancelled my order with eLinux and reordered from dvdirect. I didn't order from there originally because it was listed as $251.99. But when you click on it, the price magically becomes the sale price of $230 :) They should change that so people know what their sale prices are at first glance. Gabe On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:11:52PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Order it from dvdirect.com. Thats where I got mine. They are in stock, resonably > priced, and very fast service. > > I paid $230 for it. > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Well, I just ordered a 4-port Escalade from eLinux. It's on back order so > > I dunno when I'll get it. I also picked up some hot-swap ATA-* drive bays. > > When I get it all up and running (I'll have 2 45 GB IBM 75GXPs in RAID0 in it to > > start), I'll send a progress report out to the list. If it works out well, > > I'm going to get an 8-port card and run 8 14 GB IBMs in a RAID10 config... > > Should be cool. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:24:45PM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Well, I've been plowing through all the stuff that was thrown out here and > > > I've got some questions. > > > > > > Those of you using the 3ware Escalade controllers - how are you using them? > > > RAID0 / RAID1 / ???. Are you pushing them hard? What kernel are you using? > > > Are there detectable performance issues? Has anyone tried the hot swap / > > > hot spare that has recently become available? > > > > > > I'm kind of wandering around my office muttering "it's too good to be true". > > > So what are the gotcha's with the Escalade board (so compared to a Mylex > > > Acceleraid 150/170). > > > > > > The thought of spending less money on the hard drives (and more on the CPU/ > > > Memory) has got me hoping the escalade board will work for me... > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" > > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Fri Oct 20 14:00:31 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22634] OT: answering service amusement References: <20001013181602.Q18514@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39F0964F.E7D60E34@usfamily.net> ohh man this is no longer working, I loved this thing I was using it 3 to 4 times a day. Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > This is forwarded from the SCALUG list, where it got a ton of laughs. > so even tho it's of questionable relation to Linux; there's a pile of > geek humor in it. :) > > > This comes highly recommended as a stress reliever... > > > > If you want a good laugh do the following...trust me you will laugh > > You must do this! > > National Discount Brokers > > 1. dial 800-888-3999 > > 2. listen to the options > > 3. when you hear #7 hit 7 > > Every company should have an option #7. > > if for some reason you get a live person at the other end, tell them "I > wanted to hear the duck!". ;> > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Oct 20 13:44:18 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown References: <001e01c03ac5$253543f0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <39F09282.70B3D328@fruitioninc.com> > > > That's siliCON, which I am strongly in favor of. SiliCONE is a plastic which > contains the chemical element silicon. > oh thats my bad for reading too quicky! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Oct 20 14:28:08 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > hrmm.. really? what GL apps have you tried.. after upgrading to the NV > drivers/GLX, xscreensaver GL stuff got a LOT faster.. and looks nice. I'm > running a fresh install (yesterday) of rh7 on a dual 400 celeron, with a > viper V770 (TNT2) Well, xscreensaver and xlock... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Oct 20 14:39:32 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22956] Thingy Message-ID: I can't believe I'm programming in a language that recognizes "Thingy" as a data type. From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 20 12:45:12 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer Message-ID: I'm trying to compile tuxracer on redhat 7, (with nvidia drivers installed for GL) anyone had any luck getting it to work? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 20 15:42:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown Message-ID: I have it somewhere. There was a whole layout. Maybe the subscription version was different from the newsstand version?? Jay -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hillman [mailto:ehillman@cccu.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:20 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown > > Mmmm, Stevie Case. I have the issue of a certain magazine produced by Hugh > Heffner that she was in. Very nice. > Huh? I understood she was dumped from the issue. They used some of the pics on their site but not in the mag. At least, that's what they said on Old Man Murray -- I never bothered to actually check. Silicone annoys me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 20 13:14:55 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22948] LVM In-Reply-To: <972062184.39f07de88394d@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:16:24PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> <972062184.39f07de88394d@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001020131455.L4484@wookimus.net> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:16:24PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone know if it is possible to resize logical volumes on the fly > in Linux? (ala HP's Online JFS) Yep. Go to the lvm site. Click on the email list archives. Search for 'online resize'. There are tools available to tie in online resizing of ext2 and reiserfs, I believe. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was down, but back up now. > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > This is forwarded from the SCALUG list, where it got a ton of laughs. > > so even tho it's of questionable relation to Linux; there's a pile of > > geek humor in it. :) > > > > > This comes highly recommended as a stress reliever... > > > > > > If you want a good laugh do the following...trust me you will laugh > > > You must do this! > > > National Discount Brokers > > > 1. dial 800-888-3999 > > > 2. listen to the options > > > 3. when you hear #7 hit 7 > > > Every company should have an option #7. > > > > if for some reason you get a live person at the other end, tell them "I > > wanted to hear the duck!". ;> > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. > > Andrew Nemchenko > > E-mail: drew@usfamily.net > Work: 952-932-4081 > Home: 651-681-8572 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net -Mathew --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nolanjm at juno.com Fri Oct 20 16:34:35 2000 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22959] Re 755 PS quality Message-ID: <20001020.163435.-461263.0.nolanjm@juno.com> I don't know about o-scope software apps, but I think atx boards have this monitoring capability built in. If you can set your system to give alarm perhapsthat would save you. Jerry (electronics tech) retired ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Fri Oct 20 17:15:39 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22854] Installation problem Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA31A@mercury.abaton.com> The last install attempt trashed my file system. I will have to try another install as soon as I have a chance and send the contents of dmesg if I can get far enough in the install to access it. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:07 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22854] Installation problem > The problem I am having is that (1)at varying points during the install, the > system will freeze, or (2)after a successful installation will freeze during > the reboot, or (3) after a successful installation and reboot, the system > will freeze after running for a short time. It seems independent of whether > I install X. In the case of 2 or 3 above, if I hit the reset button on the > box, linux starts to boot, does an fsck and basically tells me that my > filesystem has been trashed. Also, the installation process tells me that I > have very little memory and if, after installation, it successfully reboots, > the dmesg file reports only about 15MB of RAM. Lets see the dmesg. You probably need a "mem=80M" on the kernel command line for one thing, since Linux isn't very good at detecting on machines with more than 64M for some reason. :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). The information contained in this message may be private and confidential, and may also be subject to the work product doctrine. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 20 18:41:44 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? Message-ID: <20001020184144.W12786@real-time.com> This is a problem I have been struggling with for some time. Many productivity appplications are moving to the web, but the single biggest problem I can see is printing. Sure, you can have great looking html, but when you print it from the browser, it just sucks. Many applications store their data in a database, but as LDAP get more press, many thing in a database might (should?) move to LDAP. Are there any open source tools that will help you write reports using a database or directory server as a data repository? Ideally, you could save the reports as pdf, since that seems to be universal enough. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Oct 20 19:13:55 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? In-Reply-To: <20001020184144.W12786@real-time.com> Message-ID: hrm.. you could write some perl scripts to output html.. and use an html->ps converter.. or html->pdf. (or as carl says.. sgml :) there are also a few crystal style report writers out there for unix.. tho they are very expensive.. couple thousand.. but they have direct db access for a lot of big ones.. like oracle or sybase so you don't have to use ODBC Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > This is a problem I have been struggling with for some time. > > Many productivity appplications are moving to the web, but the single biggest > problem I can see is printing. > > Sure, you can have great looking html, but when you print it from the browser, > it just sucks. > > Many applications store their data in a database, but as LDAP get more press, > many thing in a database might (should?) move to LDAP. > > Are there any open source tools that will help you write reports using a > database or directory server as a data repository? > > Ideally, you could save the reports as pdf, since that seems to be universal > enough. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From morgul at real-time.com Fri Oct 20 19:51:07 2000 From: morgul at real-time.com (Morgul Nazgul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is this with xfree 4.0/4.0.1? If it is, try 'glxinfo' and see which renderer it is using. If it says "indirect" then it is using software. Also, the table displayed at the botton should be fairly large. The 'glxinfo' program can be found at dri.sourceforge.net. You should check to make sure you are loading the "dri" module and that the permissions in the XF86Config for dri is set as well. Here is part of mine (I have voodoo3 though): ----------------begin----------------- Section "Module" Load "dri" Load "GLcore" Load "glx" SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" EndSubSection Load "dbe" Load "xie" EndSection # Sets DRI permissions for all users Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection ------------------end---------------------- Ross On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Yaron wrote: > > On a related note, anyone get the GL drivers and nVidia working well under > RH7? I've got them all installed but OpenGL apps are _s_l_o_w_. Yes, > there's only one libGL*, and it's nvidia's. Yes, I've loaded the kernel > module. Yes, I'm loading nvidia's glx module for X. Yes, I'm using Driver > "nvidia" and not "nv". (; > > > -Yaron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 20:44:06 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:13:55PM -0500 References: <20001020184144.W12786@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001020204406.A10780@yahoo.com> Also, I remember seeing that php had some pdf stuff in it. Didn't look at it too deeply but that might be worth looking at. If you are gonna use ldap it probably wouldn't take much to set up a perl script to process an ldif file. Dunno. Sounds like a fun project though. Man, I wish I had more time. Tim On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:13:55PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > hrm.. you could write some perl scripts to output html.. and use an > html->ps converter.. or html->pdf. (or as carl says.. sgml :) > there are also a few crystal style report writers out there for unix.. tho > they are very expensive.. couple thousand.. but they have direct db access > for a lot of big ones.. like oracle or sybase so you don't have to use > ODBC > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > This is a problem I have been struggling with for some time. > > > > Many productivity appplications are moving to the web, but the single biggest > > problem I can see is printing. > > > > Sure, you can have great looking html, but when you print it from the browser, > > it just sucks. > > > > Many applications store their data in a database, but as LDAP get more press, > > many thing in a database might (should?) move to LDAP. > > > > Are there any open source tools that will help you write reports using a > > database or directory server as a data repository? > > > > Ideally, you could save the reports as pdf, since that seems to be universal > > enough. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kethry at winternet.com Fri Oct 20 20:41:40 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This isn't something I've done myself, but what about having the scripts dump the output to xml, where you can include the printer specifications, or at least printing specifications in the report? then you wouldn't have to go through two conversions, and you could include output specs for online or print media? Liz Burke-Scovill On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > hrm.. you could write some perl scripts to output html.. and use an > html->ps converter.. or html->pdf. (or as carl says.. sgml :) > there are also a few crystal style report writers out there for unix.. tho > they are very expensive.. couple thousand.. but they have direct db access > for a lot of big ones.. like oracle or sybase so you don't have to use > ODBC > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > This is a problem I have been struggling with for some time. > > > > Many productivity appplications are moving to the web, but the single biggest > > problem I can see is printing. > > > > Sure, you can have great looking html, but when you print it from the browser, > > it just sucks. > > > > Many applications store their data in a database, but as LDAP get more press, > > many thing in a database might (should?) move to LDAP. > > > > Are there any open source tools that will help you write reports using a > > database or directory server as a data repository? > > > > Ideally, you could save the reports as pdf, since that seems to be universal > > enough. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kethry at winternet.com Fri Oct 20 20:49:48 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > This isn't something I've done myself, but what about having the scripts > dump the output to xml, where you can include the printer specifications, > or at least printing specifications in the report? then you wouldn't have > to go through two conversions, and you could include output specs for > online or print media? er - um...online and/or print media..... > > > Many applications store their data in a database, but as LDAP get more press, > > > many thing in a database might (should?) move to LDAP. Or at least be searchable via LDAP, again something I'm only now getting into, and i don't understand it fully - but if you have an LDAP server set up, you could run queries against the directory server, which would then pull info from the data sources themselves - regardless of which server they're on. In other words, my understanding is that the data repository is not on the directory server itself, but rather that the directory server is the means by which that data repository is accesible, regardless of it's structure (ie., Oracle, MySQL, etc)...that way your information doesn't get duplicated, increasing the possibility of loss of data integrity, etc...With perl's DBI module allowing access to most types of data sources out there, you stand to have an incredible reporting application there - especially if it's robust enough to handle both online and print viewing.... I echo the other person that said it earlier, if only I'd had more time!!! Liz Burke-Scovill -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Oct 20 21:09:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? References: <20001020184144.W12786@real-time.com> <20001020204406.A10780@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c03b03$f029dd30$0100a8c0@cascade> You can use JSP, XML, XSL using Cocoon to produce PDF as well :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sandquist" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? > Also, I remember seeing that php had some pdf stuff in it. Didn't look > at it too deeply but that might be worth looking at. > > If you are gonna use ldap it probably wouldn't take much to set up a > perl script to process an ldif file. > > Dunno. Sounds like a fun project though. > Man, I wish I had more time. > > Tim > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:13:55PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > hrm.. you could write some perl scripts to output html.. and use an > > html->ps converter.. or html->pdf. (or as carl says.. sgml :) > > there are also a few crystal style report writers out there for unix.. tho > > they are very expensive.. couple thousand.. but they have direct db access > > for a lot of big ones.. like oracle or sybase so you don't have to use > > ODBC > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > This is a problem I have been struggling with for some time. > > > > > > Many productivity appplications are moving to the web, but the single biggest > > > problem I can see is printing. > > > > > > Sure, you can have great looking html, but when you print it from the browser, > > > it just sucks. > > > > > > Many applications store their data in a database, but as LDAP get more press, > > > many thing in a database might (should?) move to LDAP. > > > > > > Are there any open source tools that will help you write reports using a > > > database or directory server as a data repository? > > > > > > Ideally, you could save the reports as pdf, since that seems to be universal > > > enough. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bobdove at pipeline.com Fri Oct 20 21:48:22 2000 From: bobdove at pipeline.com (Bob W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22969] "unsafe mouse" ??? Message-ID: <9n02vsc02jslpjl7rp8ippjp0qri82hktf@4ax.com> Hello. Finally got Mandrake Linux 7.1 installed. Ran last night, but tonight I have no mouse. I read in one of the logs that my "unsafe mouse" had been uninstalled. Can I get it (Logitech optical) back? Is there any way to navigate in Linux without a mouse? How do I reinstall a mouse? Bob W. Anderson Newport, MN --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 20 21:49:53 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22757] Raid and other storage stories In-Reply-To: <20001020122332.A27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:23:32PM -0500 References: <20001017175401.K9919@real-time.com> <20001020120625.J4484@wookimus.net> <20001020122332.A27199@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001020214952.D30171@ringworld.org> If you use it with a filesystem that is able to do this, sure. Its not 'easy' last time i checked, but it consists of telling the FS, like reiserfs, what the new size is and to reduce to it, then tell lvm to reduce. you can do it the other way by making it larger, and then tell the fs to extend. So yes, if your fs can do it, yes. you can. * dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [001020 12:21]: > WOW! This seems exactly like the AIX LVM. Can you resize the partitions > whever you want without loosing data and without rebooting? If not, then > I'd say this is more like SGIs XLV LVM which is just basically software > RAID. > > Gabe > > > > I've used, and love, LVM in both the development kernel, 2.4, and the > > stable kernel+patches, 2.2.17 + rawio + lvm 0.8final. It's a > > WONDERFUL tool that solves all of my partitioning problems and > > desires. Let's say you have one harddrive, but you'd like to have a > > separate parition for a number of mount points in your filesystem: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Desired Partition > > ------------------------------ > > / /dev/sda3 > > /boot /dev/sda1 > > swap /dev/sda2 > > ------------------------------ > > (LVM Partitions /dev/sda4) > > ------------------------------ > > /usr /dev/vg01/lv_usr > > /home /dev/vg01/lv_home > > /home/cvs /dev/vg01/lv_home_cvs > > /home/ftp /dev/vg01/lv_home_ftp > > /tmp /dev/vg01/lv_tmp > > /usr/src /dev/vg01/lv_src > > /usr/local /dev/vg01/lv_local > > /var /dev/vg01/lv_var > > /var/cache/cdiso /dev/vg01/lv_var_cache_cdiso > > > > This may seem like overkill for one drive, but if you think about it, > > the directories that contain files that are changing often (relatively > > speaking) should be separated from those that are not to combat the > > fragmentation that will obviously happen. /usr/src, /usr/local, > > /home, /home/cvs, /var, /tmp are quite dynamic, but /usr, /, and /boot > > don't change that often. Why subject these the /usr to > > fragmentation from compiling your kernels in /usr/src, for example. > > > > The other great thing about LVM is that it doesn't matter WHAT > > filesystem you use on each Logical Volume parition. The LV acts as if > > it were any other system parition; it is a block device that you have > > complete control over. > > > > Also notice that I don't have to worry about logical partitions on the > > disk. > > > > Now, if I want to add a new disk and, say, migrate /home/ftp to it, I > > can do so simply by paritioning that ENTIRE disk as a physical volume. > > I can skip the fdisk step entirely, allowing me to use the otherwise > > reserved administration space on the disk. I can add that physical > > volume to volume group vg01 if I desire, or start an entirely new VG. > > > > You don't necessarily have to understand the entire LVM system to use > > it in a practical sense, but it is quite powerful and quite flexible. > > Just like ReiserFS, LVM *can* be installed on the root parition. > > > > All in all, LVM is a VERY nice complimentary service to any disk > > management solution. RAID, "RAID-less" striping, loop back devices, > > etc. It's all very very cool. ;-) > > > > -- > > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > > http://www.wookimus.net/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suspect it might be available at Borders or Micros-Center. It gets 4 stars at fatbrain. One of the topics listed: Produce high-quality printed pages from Web-hosted XML or HTML pages Have Fun! Jack Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 20 22:34:59 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22867] Athlons and power supplies Message-ID: >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > It is not likely a power supply will vary in the power it supplies. > >Oh, Veldy, someday I must visit your planet. ;) I never would have made a >living in electronics had that been true (not that I'm saying power >supplies are bad or unreliable.) > >Cheers, >Phil M Never trust a power supply. They seem nice at first, but will eventually let you down! Kelly Black Hmmm. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 00:06:08 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Message-ID: Does anyone know where this Exchange Plugin for the Samba code can be found? Sounds like it would be fun to play with. I heard about it in the latest Samba Newsletter, but could not find it anywhere. http://kt.linuxcare.com/samba/latest.epl The reference was... Note that I've not included Exchange plugins here. I think I would consider that to be a separete project (beyond this scope). Is this Samba vaporware, or am I just mis-reading this. Kelly Black (I need to get new e-mail if MS is moving this free mail crap to W2K) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sat Oct 21 00:22:59 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22974] No telnetd Message-ID: I have a server running with Red Hat 6.2 on it. I can telnet the local loopback IP address and get a telnet session with the machine, but what I am baffled that I don't have a telnetd running in the process table. I thought Linux had a telnetd running to support telnet sessions with clients. What gives? - Jme --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Oct 21 00:30:11 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22974] No telnetd In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 12:22:59AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001021003011.A28874@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Telnetd runs through inetd. When you get a telnet request, inetd starts the telnet daemon. When you're not getting telnet requests, inetd shuts off the daemon. rtfm inetd for more info. Gabe On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 12:22:59AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I have a server running with Red Hat 6.2 on it. I can telnet the local > loopback IP address and get a telnet session with the machine, but what I > am baffled that I don't have a telnetd running in the process table. I > thought Linux had a telnetd running to support telnet sessions with > clients. What gives? > > - Jme > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Oct 21 00:29:17 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins In-Reply-To: ; from blackk100@hotmail.com on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 12:06:08AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001021002917.I30171@ringworld.org> Thats because they dont exist. You have been reading a developers list, this was in refrence to a roadmap for future revisions of samba(-tng). * Kelly Black [001021 00:06]: > Does anyone know where this Exchange Plugin for the Samba code can be found? > Sounds like it would be fun to play with. I heard about it in the latest > Samba Newsletter, but could not find it anywhere. > > http://kt.linuxcare.com/samba/latest.epl > > The reference was... > > Note that I've not included Exchange plugins here. I think I would consider > that to be a separete project (beyond this scope). > > Is this Samba vaporware, or am I just mis-reading this. > > Kelly Black > (I need to get new e-mail if MS is moving this free mail crap to W2K) > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kelly Black >From: Scott Dier >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >CC: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:29:17 -0500 > >Thats because they dont exist. > >You have been reading a developers list, this was in refrence to a >roadmap for future revisions of samba(-tng). > >* Kelly Black [001021 00:06]: > > Does anyone know where this Exchange Plugin for the Samba code can be >found? > > Sounds like it would be fun to play with. I heard about it in the >latest > > Samba Newsletter, but could not find it anywhere. > > > > http://kt.linuxcare.com/samba/latest.epl > > > > The reference was... > > > > Note that I've not included Exchange plugins here. I think I would >consider > > that to be a separete project (beyond this scope). > > > > Is this Samba vaporware, or am I just mis-reading this. > > > > Kelly Black > > (I need to get new e-mail if MS is moving this free mail crap to W2K) > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > >-- >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. ><< attach3 >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 01:07:28 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Message-ID: Is this just a plugin so that Microsoft LookOut! users can just point their mail program at the samba box for an exchange server? The protocol that exchange uses between it and it's mail clients is a firewall administrators nightmare. It uses like 3 or 4 different ports, both UDP and TCP, and uses RPC (so you have to edit the registry on the exchange server to bind the rpc ports to 2 specific ports). Looks like MS is finally starting to think about the firewall nightmares they create, win2k uses port 445/tcp for drive/folder sharing now. It still opens the old ones, but you don't need them, it's just for backwards compatibility with nt and 9x. I wish they would fix that horrid protocol, then I wish someone would come out with a decent exchange clone for unix, with clustering and all that fun stuff. Set it up once and let it run... Jay -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Black [mailto:blackk100@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:59 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Right. But does any code exist? It would be fun to torture an NT server running Exchange. Kelly Black >From: Scott Dier >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >CC: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:29:17 -0500 > >Thats because they dont exist. > >You have been reading a developers list, this was in refrence to a >roadmap for future revisions of samba(-tng). > >* Kelly Black [001021 00:06]: > > Does anyone know where this Exchange Plugin for the Samba code can be >found? > > Sounds like it would be fun to play with. I heard about it in the >latest > > Samba Newsletter, but could not find it anywhere. > > > > http://kt.linuxcare.com/samba/latest.epl > > > > The reference was... > > > > Note that I've not included Exchange plugins here. I think I would >consider > > that to be a separete project (beyond this scope). > > > > Is this Samba vaporware, or am I just mis-reading this. > > > > Kelly Black > > (I need to get new e-mail if MS is moving this free mail crap to W2K) > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > >-- >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. ><< attach3 >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 01:08:41 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer Message-ID: I'm still having trouble with mine also, except I have an Nvidia Geforce. I know I'm missing some libs because glxinfo dies with a missing lib error, and I can't compile things that use opengl. Quake and terminus won't even start either. If I remove glut and mesa from my system completely, what do I need to grab and compile or make links to to get it all working right? Do I have to load the dri module with the geforce? What other modules? Jay -----Original Message----- From: Morgul Nazgul [mailto:morgul@real-time.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:51 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer Is this with xfree 4.0/4.0.1? If it is, try 'glxinfo' and see which renderer it is using. If it says "indirect" then it is using software. Also, the table displayed at the botton should be fairly large. The 'glxinfo' program can be found at dri.sourceforge.net. You should check to make sure you are loading the "dri" module and that the permissions in the XF86Config for dri is set as well. Here is part of mine (I have voodoo3 though): ----------------begin----------------- Section "Module" Load "dri" Load "GLcore" Load "glx" SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" EndSubSection Load "dbe" Load "xie" EndSection # Sets DRI permissions for all users Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection ------------------end---------------------- Ross On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Yaron wrote: > > On a related note, anyone get the GL drivers and nVidia working well under > RH7? I've got them all installed but OpenGL apps are _s_l_o_w_. Yes, > there's only one libGL*, and it's nvidia's. Yes, I've loaded the kernel > module. Yes, I'm loading nvidia's glx module for X. Yes, I'm using Driver > "nvidia" and not "nv". (; > > > -Yaron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 01:16:08 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Message-ID: Yeah, kinda sucks. I am in the process of getting browsing to work on a brain dead Win98 box talking to a VPN box outside of a firewall (PoPToP on Linux). I can't wait to add rules for the impending Exchange server at work.. Ugh... Kelly Black >From: "Austad, Jay" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" >Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:07:28 -0500 > >Is this just a plugin so that Microsoft LookOut! users can just point their >mail program at the samba box for an exchange server? > >The protocol that exchange uses between it and it's mail clients is a >firewall administrators nightmare. It uses like 3 or 4 different ports, >both UDP and TCP, and uses RPC (so you have to edit the registry on the >exchange server to bind the rpc ports to 2 specific ports). Looks like MS > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Oct 21 01:21:51 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes Message-ID: <20001021012151.A28959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Argh! I just attempted an upgrade to CBOS 2.2. Well, It downloaded the image fine, but when the router rebooted, I got this: Hello! Operation fault at 100d76c0, subtype 01 Fault record is saved at 100d85e0 100d76c0 : 00fff090 .word 0x00fff090 So, I dug through the list archives and found a page that explains how to fix it: http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know where I can get 2.1? TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From morgul at real-time.com Sat Oct 21 03:39:45 2000 From: morgul at real-time.com (Morgul Nazgul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm still having trouble with mine also, except I have an Nvidia Geforce. > > I know I'm missing some libs because glxinfo dies with a missing lib error, > and I can't compile things that use opengl. Quake and terminus won't even > start either. > > If I remove glut and mesa from my system completely, what do I need to grab > and compile or make links to to get it all working right? Do I have to load > the dri module with the geforce? What other modules? > > Jay > Which libraries are you missing? In case you didn't know about the command 'ldd ' will tell you. When I upgraded from 3.3.6 to 4.0.1 I removed ALL of my old "libGL.so*" and "libMesaGL.so*" libraries. Only keep "libGLU*" and "libglut*" around. Depending on where you like your libraries, I put them in /usr/lib. Also, just incase any old programs were linked to "libMesaGL.so*", you might want to make some symlinks to "libGL.so" as well. Then make sure you have "/usr/X11R6/lib" (or where ever the XF4 libraries are) in ld.so.conf and then run 'ldconfig'. After that, try 'ldd glxinfo' again. I appologise if you already know how to do this. As far as which modulse to load, you need to load the DRI module if you want to use 3D acceleration. If you are only planning on running 3D apps under root, then you do not need that extra section for DRI that specified permissions. I found out about that in README.DRI, which for me, was under "/var/X11R6/lib/doc". Be careful about some of those docs though, they aren't completely accurate. Also, dri.sourceforget.net has a link to "libGLU", glide3x w/ DRI support, and a couple other things. Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 20 21:38:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22968] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22961] Report Writing Components? In-Reply-To: <001401c03b03$f029dd30$0100a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 09:09:26PM -0500 References: <20001020184144.W12786@real-time.com> <20001020204406.A10780@yahoo.com> <001401c03b03$f029dd30$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20001020213849.A12786@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > You can use JSP, XML, XSL using Cocoon to produce PDF as well :) > Yeah, I have played with FOP, but it seems complex. I did not think printing/postscript/pdf was so much work. Oh the days of ASCII printouts on greenbar! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Oct 21 07:42:05 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <20001021012151.A28959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200010211242.e9LCgcG11609@sprite.real-time.com> Gabe - I just went through this last weekend. My Cisco booted up to that message after I moved it, so I had to wipe the old IOS & install 2.2 luckily I still had dial up access... es 0 -> es 6 set nvram erase wr rb df 10008000 (XMODEM File Transfer) RECORD file size x'fered pb 10008000 fee00000 let'r rip... The one thing that isn't mentioned in the upgrade docs is _set_nvram_erase_ ( got this from a qwest service tech ). The other thing that I did was to leave it powered down for several hours. If you want to see what is at that location, check out the link regarding "How to recover lost passwords" When the location comes up empty, the install should go fine HTH Jay On 21 Oct 00, at 1:21, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Argh! I just attempted an upgrade to CBOS 2.2. Well, It downloaded the > image fine, but when the router rebooted, I got this: > > Hello! > Operation fault at 100d76c0, subtype 01 > Fault record is saved at 100d85e0 > 100d76c0 : 00fff090 .word 0x00fff090 > > So, I dug through the list archives and found a page that explains how to > fix it: > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ > > Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was > 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know > where I can get 2.1? > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Sat Oct 21 09:16:43 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 01:07:28AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001021091643.A11626@yahoo.com> Check this link out: http://www.arrayservices.com/projects/Exchange-HOWTO/html/book1.html It's not Exchange compatible, but it probably has similar functionality. I wouldn't know I've had very little exposure to Exchange. The project uses sendmail and ldap for email and directory services. Both sendmail and ldap can 'cluster'. Tim On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 01:07:28AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Is this just a plugin so that Microsoft LookOut! users can just point their > mail program at the samba box for an exchange server? > > The protocol that exchange uses between it and it's mail clients is a > firewall administrators nightmare. It uses like 3 or 4 different ports, > both UDP and TCP, and uses RPC (so you have to edit the registry on the > exchange server to bind the rpc ports to 2 specific ports). Looks like MS > is finally starting to think about the firewall nightmares they create, > win2k uses port 445/tcp for drive/folder sharing now. It still opens the > old ones, but you don't need them, it's just for backwards compatibility > with nt and 9x. > > I wish they would fix that horrid protocol, then I wish someone would come > out with a decent exchange clone for unix, with clustering and all that fun > stuff. Set it up once and let it run... > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly Black [mailto:blackk100@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:59 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins > > > Right. But does any code exist? It would be fun to torture an NT server > running Exchange. > > Kelly Black > > > >From: Scott Dier > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >CC: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:29:17 -0500 > > > >Thats because they dont exist. > > > >You have been reading a developers list, this was in refrence to a > >roadmap for future revisions of samba(-tng). > > > >* Kelly Black [001021 00:06]: > > > Does anyone know where this Exchange Plugin for the Samba code can be > >found? > > > Sounds like it would be fun to play with. I heard about it in the > >latest > > > Samba Newsletter, but could not find it anywhere. > > > > > > http://kt.linuxcare.com/samba/latest.epl > > > > > > The reference was... > > > > > > Note that I've not included Exchange plugins here. I think I would > >consider > > > that to be a separete project (beyond this scope). > > > > > > Is this Samba vaporware, or am I just mis-reading this. > > > > > > Kelly Black > > > (I need to get new e-mail if MS is moving this free mail crap to W2K) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > >-- > >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > ><< attach3 >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 09:27:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes Message-ID: You don't need to upgrade incrementally. I went from 2.0.1 to 2.3.5 Cisco Broadband Operating System CBOS (tm) 675 Software (C675-I-M), Version v2.3.5.012 - Release Software Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled May 9 2000 15:20:16 NVRAM image at 0x10359090 I'd use 2.3.5 if I were you. It fixes alot of bugs and it's the only version the SNMP works properly on. If you followed ciscos instructions on how to do the upgrade, and it told you to erase section 5 of the flash, it was wrong. You should only erase up to section 4. Apparently there is a way to fix it, but I'm not sure how. There was no document on cisco's site on how to do it, you'll have to either open a case with cisco or find it on a website somewhere. Or tell qwest that you router is broken and try to get them to send you a new one for free. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 1:22 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes Argh! I just attempted an upgrade to CBOS 2.2. Well, It downloaded the image fine, but when the router rebooted, I got this: Hello! Operation fault at 100d76c0, subtype 01 Fault record is saved at 100d85e0 100d76c0 : 00fff090 .word 0x00fff090 So, I dug through the list archives and found a page that explains how to fix it: http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know where I can get 2.1? TIA, Gabe -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 09:42:18 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Message-ID: I'm talking a drop in replacement for Exchange though. Make it use RADIUS or some other method to authenticate against the windows domain (radius is probably the easiest way), make it talk to a database that supports replication and transactions (oracle or postgres) and clustering for storing mailboxes, make all of the calendar and scheduling crap work. Users shouldn't have to change any settings at all when it gets dropped in, and no features work differently. You wouldn't believe what MS want's for licensing fees on Exchange. They charge by mailbox, and the quote at my last job was around $100 per mailbox. I left before they could implement it, but then they went with Lotus notes on Solaris instead. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Sandquist [mailto:tsandqui@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:17 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Check this link out: http://www.arrayservices.com/projects/Exchange-HOWTO/html/book1.html It's not Exchange compatible, but it probably has similar functionality. I wouldn't know I've had very little exposure to Exchange. The project uses sendmail and ldap for email and directory services. Both sendmail and ldap can 'cluster'. Tim On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 01:07:28AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Is this just a plugin so that Microsoft LookOut! users can just point their > mail program at the samba box for an exchange server? > > The protocol that exchange uses between it and it's mail clients is a > firewall administrators nightmare. It uses like 3 or 4 different ports, > both UDP and TCP, and uses RPC (so you have to edit the registry on the > exchange server to bind the rpc ports to 2 specific ports). Looks like MS > is finally starting to think about the firewall nightmares they create, > win2k uses port 445/tcp for drive/folder sharing now. It still opens the > old ones, but you don't need them, it's just for backwards compatibility > with nt and 9x. > > I wish they would fix that horrid protocol, then I wish someone would come > out with a decent exchange clone for unix, with clustering and all that fun > stuff. Set it up once and let it run... > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly Black [mailto:blackk100@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:59 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins > > > Right. But does any code exist? It would be fun to torture an NT server > running Exchange. > > Kelly Black > > > >From: Scott Dier > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >CC: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:29:17 -0500 > > > >Thats because they dont exist. > > > >You have been reading a developers list, this was in refrence to a > >roadmap for future revisions of samba(-tng). > > > >* Kelly Black [001021 00:06]: > > > Does anyone know where this Exchange Plugin for the Samba code can be > >found? > > > Sounds like it would be fun to play with. I heard about it in the > >latest > > > Samba Newsletter, but could not find it anywhere. > > > > > > http://kt.linuxcare.com/samba/latest.epl > > > > > > The reference was... > > > > > > Note that I've not included Exchange plugins here. I think I would > >consider > > > that to be a separete project (beyond this scope). > > > > > > Is this Samba vaporware, or am I just mis-reading this. > > > > > > Kelly Black > > > (I need to get new e-mail if MS is moving this free mail crap to W2K) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > >-- > >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > ><< attach3 >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sat Oct 21 09:42:33 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins In-Reply-To: "Austad, Jay"'s message of "Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:07:28 -0500" References: Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > The protocol that exchange uses between it and it's mail clients is a > firewall administrators nightmare. It uses like 3 or 4 different ports, > both UDP and TCP, and uses RPC (so you have to edit the registry on the > exchange server to bind the rpc ports to 2 specific ports). Looks like MS > is finally starting to think about the firewall nightmares they create, > win2k uses port 445/tcp for drive/folder sharing now. It still opens the > old ones, but you don't need them, it's just for backwards compatibility > with nt and 9x. You mean they changed the ports from 138 and 139 to 445? -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Oct 21 09:42:34 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22990] Services needed Message-ID: <200010211444.e9LEiOG12558@sprite.real-time.com> OK, I've finally decided to take the plunge. I'm taking up Real- Times offer for ISP services w/ my own IP block & have registered a domain name. What services will I have to provide for myself with this setup? I assume: MTA (sendmail, qmail or the like) DNS (caching or otherwise)? proxy? (squid ) possibly www & ftp (not anonymous) at some point (apache & one of the ftpd's ) Anything else that I should consider? Thanks, Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Oct 21 09:31:33 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200010211432.e9LEW5G12451@sprite.real-time.com> I erased section 5 with apparently no major ill effects. WMMV Where did you find 2.3.5? THe only thing that I could find last weekend was 2.2.0 on qwests website. Jay On 21 Oct 00, at 9:27, Austad, Jay wrote: > You don't need to upgrade incrementally. I went from 2.0.1 to 2.3.5 > Cisco Broadband Operating System > CBOS (tm) 675 Software (C675-I-M), Version v2.3.5.012 - Release Software > Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled May 9 2000 15:20:16 > NVRAM image at 0x10359090 > > I'd use 2.3.5 if I were you. It fixes alot of bugs and it's the only > version the SNMP works properly on. > > If you followed ciscos instructions on how to do the upgrade, and it told > you to erase section 5 of the flash, it was wrong. You should only erase up > to section 4. Apparently there is a way to fix it, but I'm not sure how. > There was no document on cisco's site on how to do it, you'll have to either > open a case with cisco or find it on a website somewhere. Or tell qwest > that you router is broken and try to get them to send you a new one for > free. :) > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 1:22 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes > > > Argh! I just attempted an upgrade to CBOS 2.2. Well, It downloaded the > image fine, but when the router rebooted, I got this: > > Hello! > Operation fault at 100d76c0, subtype 01 > Fault record is saved at 100d85e0 > 100d76c0 : 00fff090 .word 0x00fff090 > > So, I dug through the list archives and found a page that explains how to > fix it: > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ > > Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was > 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know > where I can get 2.1? > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space > Madness" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 09:35:13 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes Message-ID: I have a cisco contract so I can download the latest and greatest from their site. Maybe it was section 6 that wasn't supposed to be erased, it was the highest numbered one, and their document incorrectly instructed to erase it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jay W. Anderson [mailto:jwanderson@uswest.net] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:32 AM To: Austad, Jay; tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes I erased section 5 with apparently no major ill effects. WMMV Where did you find 2.3.5? THe only thing that I could find last weekend was 2.2.0 on qwests website. Jay On 21 Oct 00, at 9:27, Austad, Jay wrote: > You don't need to upgrade incrementally. I went from 2.0.1 to 2.3.5 > Cisco Broadband Operating System > CBOS (tm) 675 Software (C675-I-M), Version v2.3.5.012 - Release Software > Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled May 9 2000 15:20:16 > NVRAM image at 0x10359090 > > I'd use 2.3.5 if I were you. It fixes alot of bugs and it's the only > version the SNMP works properly on. > > If you followed ciscos instructions on how to do the upgrade, and it told > you to erase section 5 of the flash, it was wrong. You should only erase up > to section 4. Apparently there is a way to fix it, but I'm not sure how. > There was no document on cisco's site on how to do it, you'll have to either > open a case with cisco or find it on a website somewhere. Or tell qwest > that you router is broken and try to get them to send you a new one for > free. :) > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 1:22 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes > > > Argh! I just attempted an upgrade to CBOS 2.2. Well, It downloaded the > image fine, but when the router rebooted, I got this: > > Hello! > Operation fault at 100d76c0, subtype 01 > Fault record is saved at 100d85e0 > 100d76c0 : 00fff090 .word 0x00fff090 > > So, I dug through the list archives and found a page that explains how to > fix it: > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ > > Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was > 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know > where I can get 2.1? > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space > Madness" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Oct 21 09:59:37 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed In-Reply-To: ; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 09:42:34AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001021095937.B23581@sherohman.org> On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 09:42:34AM -0500, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > MTA (sendmail, qmail or the like) Probably wise... (Take a look at exim, too.) > DNS (caching or otherwise)? If you've got your own domain, you'll probably want to run your own primary DNS for it and get Real-Time (or one of the free DNS services) to do secondary for you. Just read the DNS-HOWTO; it's not difficult to set up. > proxy? (squid ) *shrug* If you're into that sort of thing. I don't feel a need for a caching web proxy, but I do run a filtering proxy (junkbuster). Hardly necessary, though. > possibly www & ftp (not anonymous) at some point (apache & one of the > ftpd's ) Yeah, you're probably going to want an httpd, and apache's the tool of choice there. If you don't want to offer anon ftp and you're running ssh[1], take a look at sftp. It's basically just the ftp protocol run over an ssh connection. Very nice, friendlier than scp, and with all the security of ssh. And it's not yet-another-daemon-running-as-root. [1] You've probably heard it from Amy already, but, just in case, here it is from me: DON'T run a telnetd unless absolutely necessary. Run sshd instead. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Oct 21 10:34:24 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <200010211245.e9LCjDq13022@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:42:05AM -0500 References: <20001021012151.A28959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <200010211245.e9LCjDq13022@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001021103424.B31880@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:42:05AM -0500, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Gabe - > > I just went through this last weekend. My Cisco booted up to that > message after I moved it, so I had to wipe the old IOS & install 2.2 > luckily I still had dial up access... > > es 0 -> es 6 The following three are not valid RMON commands. I can't get to the cbos prompt, if you recall. > set nvram erase > wr > rb I've done this, but when it reboots to setup the CBOS, I get that same error. > df 10008000 (XMODEM File Transfer) > RECORD file size x'fered > pb 10008000 fee00000 > let'r rip... Any other suggestions? Anyone? This sucks :( Thanks for the help so far, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Oct 21 10:11:13 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed In-Reply-To: <20001021095937.B23581@sherohman.org> References: ; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 09:42:34AM -0500 Message-ID: <200010211527.e9LFRcG12908@sprite.real-time.com> On 21 Oct 00, at 9:59, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Probably wise... (Take a look at exim, too.) > OK > > DNS (caching or otherwise)? > > If you've got your own domain, you'll probably want to run your own primary > DNS for it and get Real-Time (or one of the free DNS services) to do > secondary for you. Just read the DNS-HOWTO; it's not difficult to set up. > > > possibly www & ftp (not anonymous) at some point (apache & one of the > > ftpd's ) > > Yeah, you're probably going to want an httpd, and apache's the tool of choice > there. > My thoughts as well > If you don't want to offer anon ftp and you're running ssh[1], take a look at > sftp. It's basically just the ftp protocol run over an ssh connection. Very > nice, friendlier than scp, and with all the security of ssh. And it's not > yet-another-daemon-running-as-root. > I'll look into this > [1] You've probably heard it from Amy already, but, just in case, here it is > from me: DON'T run a telnetd unless absolutely necessary. Run sshd instead. I did know that. But thanks for the reminder. Anything eles that I need to think about? Thanks, Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Oct 21 10:50:19 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <200010211245.e9LCjDq13022@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:42:05AM -0500 References: <20001021012151.A28959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <200010211245.e9LCjDq13022@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001021105019.D31880@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ok, I seemed to have made some headway. Concerning that URL of that USWest users page: DO NOT download the CBOS from his page. It is the thing that fucked up my router. I retried with the CBOS from USQworsts page and that seemed to work *wipes sweat from brow* Thanks for the help! Gabe On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:42:05AM -0500, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Gabe - > > I just went through this last weekend. My Cisco booted up to that > message after I moved it, so I had to wipe the old IOS & install 2.2 > luckily I still had dial up access... > > es 0 -> es 6 > set nvram erase > wr > rb > df 10008000 (XMODEM File Transfer) > RECORD file size x'fered > pb 10008000 fee00000 > let'r rip... > > The one thing that isn't mentioned in the upgrade docs is > _set_nvram_erase_ ( got this from a qwest service tech ). The other > thing that I did was to leave it powered down for several hours. If > you want to see what is at that location, check out the link > regarding "How to recover lost passwords" When the location comes up > empty, the install should go fine > > HTH > Jay > > On 21 Oct 00, at 1:21, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Argh! I just attempted an upgrade to CBOS 2.2. Well, It downloaded the > > image fine, but when the router rebooted, I got this: > > > > Hello! > > Operation fault at 100d76c0, subtype 01 > > Fault record is saved at 100d85e0 > > 100d76c0 : 00fff090 .word 0x00fff090 > > > > So, I dug through the list archives and found a page that explains how to > > fix it: > > > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/ > > > > Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was > > 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know > > where I can get 2.1? > > > > TIA, > > > > Gabe > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" > > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Oct 21 10:45:56 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <200010211539.e9LFd0q16882@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 10:35:47AM -0500 References: <200010211245.e9LCjDq13022@acm.cs.umn.edu>; <20001021103020.A31880@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <200010211539.e9LFd0q16882@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001021104556.C31880@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > It may need to have the new IOS installed. It could be that this is > an operating system message & not a debug message. How do I go about installing a new IOS? Can it be downloaded and installed similar to the cbos? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Oct 21 11:23:54 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <200010211612.LAA15988@unix1.sihope.com> Message-ID: You get a CBOS image off the net somewhere and follow the instructions :) It's pretty painless. Search for "cbos 675" in yahoo and you should find some links. I use to have a collection of all the CBOS images but I can't seem to find it... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > On 21 Oct 00, at 10:45, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > How do I go about installing a new IOS? Can it be downloaded and installed > > similar to the cbos? > > > Brain short circuit... > > I meant cbos > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Oct 21 11:11:35 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <20001021104556.C31880@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <200010211539.e9LFd0q16882@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 10:35:47AM -0500 Message-ID: <200010211612.e9LGCBG13235@sprite.real-time.com> On 21 Oct 00, at 10:45, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > How do I go about installing a new IOS? Can it be downloaded and installed > similar to the cbos? > Brain short circuit... I meant cbos Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 14:28:42 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins Message-ID: Yes, 138 and 139 stuff still works, but only for backwards compatibility. If I access a share from my win2k box to another win2k box, it uses only port 445, nothing else. I was able to access a share from my box which is inside the firewall to a box outside. I wondered why this worked, since before it required special conduits. Turns out that it only used port 445/tcp. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jon Schewe [mailto:jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:43 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22973] Samba Exchange Plugins "Austad, Jay" writes: > The protocol that exchange uses between it and it's mail clients is a > firewall administrators nightmare. It uses like 3 or 4 different ports, > both UDP and TCP, and uses RPC (so you have to edit the registry on the > exchange server to bind the rpc ports to 2 specific ports). Looks like MS > is finally starting to think about the firewall nightmares they create, > win2k uses port 445/tcp for drive/folder sharing now. It still opens the > old ones, but you don't need them, it's just for backwards compatibility > with nt and 9x. You mean they changed the ports from 138 and 139 to 445? -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 14:37:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed Message-ID: I used to run Bind for my DNS at home, and since I moved I've just been using granitecanyon.com for my domains instead. If you run bind, you have to be vigilant in watching security advisories for it, and I'm sure there's some unpublished exploits floating around for it too. If you must run a nameserver, and you want a secure alternative, try Dan Berstein's djbdns at http://cr.yp.to. However, it's a pain to set up, and if you want to modify any code, it's not commented at all. You'll spend 90% of your time trying to figure out what he's trying to do. Dan's a very ingenious programmer, he just neglects to document anything. There's still a $1000 reward for finding "any" security holes with it. Bind 9 is supposed to be much more secure than Bind 8, but I haven't tried it yet. I'd be wary of something that 99.9% of organizations have not adopted yet. It's only been out for a few weeks too. To crackers, finding an exploit in it isn't worth it yet since no one is using it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jay W. Anderson [mailto:jwanderson@uswest.net] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:11 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed On 21 Oct 00, at 9:59, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Probably wise... (Take a look at exim, too.) > OK > > DNS (caching or otherwise)? > > If you've got your own domain, you'll probably want to run your own primary > DNS for it and get Real-Time (or one of the free DNS services) to do > secondary for you. Just read the DNS-HOWTO; it's not difficult to set up. > > > possibly www & ftp (not anonymous) at some point (apache & one of the > > ftpd's ) > > Yeah, you're probably going to want an httpd, and apache's the tool of choice > there. > My thoughts as well > If you don't want to offer anon ftp and you're running ssh[1], take a look at > sftp. It's basically just the ftp protocol run over an ssh connection. Very > nice, friendlier than scp, and with all the security of ssh. And it's not > yet-another-daemon-running-as-root. > I'll look into this > [1] You've probably heard it from Amy already, but, just in case, here it is > from me: DON'T run a telnetd unless absolutely necessary. Run sshd instead. I did know that. But thanks for the reminder. Anything eles that I need to think about? Thanks, Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Sat Oct 21 15:23:02 2000 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Dan Willenbring) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: <39F09000.C4B65556@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: Actually, they had a more casual picture of her up. She was sitting in some car and had blue tinted glasses and all her clothing on, looking like your typical geek. That one showed up when they revamped their site, thinking she might have sent it to them to put up since it came from her site, but was trimmed up and has a credit on the bottom. Dan Willenbring -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Urick [mailto:jacque@fruitioninc.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:34 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown I just think its funny they picked that pic of her to advert their gaming center, esp since the other two guys are just unprofessional snapshots. There's plenty pics of Stevie that are more, uh, real. I doubt she's going to show up looking like that tomorrow. I don't know her tho, I could be wrong. Its only a few blocks away from my apt, tho. I may just check it out. I remember that other place downtown, I always meant to check it out. > > At least, that's what they said on Old Man Murray -- I never bothered to > actually check. Silicone annoys me. > > I guess you aren't interested in becoming borg, eh? ~jacque --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Oct 21 15:26:15 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 02:37:03PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001021152615.L30171@ringworld.org> Not to mention the licensing scheme he chooses. ... * Austad, Jay [001021 14:37]: > I used to run Bind for my DNS at home, and since I moved I've just been > using granitecanyon.com for my domains instead. If you run bind, you have > to be vigilant in watching security advisories for it, and I'm sure there's > some unpublished exploits floating around for it too. > > If you must run a nameserver, and you want a secure alternative, try Dan > Berstein's djbdns at http://cr.yp.to. However, it's a pain to set up, and > if you want to modify any code, it's not commented at all. You'll spend 90% > of your time trying to figure out what he's trying to do. Dan's a very > ingenious programmer, he just neglects to document anything. There's still > a $1000 reward for finding "any" security holes with it. > > Bind 9 is supposed to be much more secure than Bind 8, but I haven't tried > it yet. I'd be wary of something that 99.9% of organizations have not > adopted yet. It's only been out for a few weeks too. To crackers, finding > an exploit in it isn't worth it yet since no one is using it. > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay W. Anderson [mailto:jwanderson@uswest.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:11 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed > > > On 21 Oct 00, at 9:59, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > Probably wise... (Take a look at exim, too.) > > > OK > > > > DNS (caching or otherwise)? > > > > If you've got your own domain, you'll probably want to run your own > primary > > DNS for it and get Real-Time (or one of the free DNS services) to do > > secondary for you. Just read the DNS-HOWTO; it's not difficult to set up. > > > > > > possibly www & ftp (not anonymous) at some point (apache & one of the > > > ftpd's ) > > > > Yeah, you're probably going to want an httpd, and apache's the tool of > choice > > there. > > > My thoughts as well > > > If you don't want to offer anon ftp and you're running ssh[1], take a look > at > > sftp. It's basically just the ftp protocol run over an ssh connection. > Very > > nice, friendlier than scp, and with all the security of ssh. And it's not > > yet-another-daemon-running-as-root. > > > I'll look into this > > > [1] You've probably heard it from Amy already, but, just in case, here it > is > > from me: DON'T run a telnetd unless absolutely necessary. Run sshd > instead. > > I did know that. But thanks for the reminder. > > Anything eles that I need to think about? > > Thanks, > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps on the scale from 1-10 from 1 being avg/like me/and others, to 10, being fscking insane, i would place her about a 5-6ish. So, I dont get why they have her there, its not like shes there showing of dakatina, the game she contributed to. * Dan Willenbring [001021 15:21]: > Actually, they had a more casual picture of her up. She was sitting in some > car and had blue tinted glasses and all her clothing on, looking like your > typical geek. That one showed up when they revamped their site, thinking > she might have sent it to them to put up since it came from her site, but > was trimmed up and has a credit on the bottom. > > Dan Willenbring > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacqueline Urick [mailto:jacque@fruitioninc.com] > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown > > I just think its funny they picked that pic of her to advert their > gaming center, > esp since the other two guys are just unprofessional snapshots. There's > plenty pics > of Stevie that are more, uh, real. I doubt she's going to show up > looking like that > tomorrow. I don't know her tho, I could be wrong. > > Its only a few blocks away from my apt, tho. I may just check it out. > > I remember that other place downtown, I always meant to check it out. > > > > > At least, that's what they said on Old Man Murray -- I never bothered > to > > actually check. Silicone annoys me. > > > > > > I guess you aren't interested in becoming borg, eh? > > ~jacque > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you run bind, you have > to be vigilant in watching security advisories for it, and I'm sure there's > some unpublished exploits floating around for it too. > > If you must run a nameserver, and you want a secure alternative, try Dan > Berstein's djbdns at http://cr.yp.to. However, it's a pain to set up, and > if you want to modify any code, it's not commented at all. You'll spend 90% > of your time trying to figure out what he's trying to do. Dan's a very > ingenious programmer, he just neglects to document anything. There's still > a $1000 reward for finding "any" security holes with it. > > Bind 9 is supposed to be much more secure than Bind 8, but I haven't tried > it yet. I'd be wary of something that 99.9% of organizations have not > adopted yet. It's only been out for a few weeks too. To crackers, finding > an exploit in it isn't worth it yet since no one is using it. > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay W. Anderson [mailto:jwanderson@uswest.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:11 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22990] Services needed > > > On 21 Oct 00, at 9:59, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > Probably wise... (Take a look at exim, too.) > > > OK > > > > DNS (caching or otherwise)? > > > > If you've got your own domain, you'll probably want to run your own > primary > > DNS for it and get Real-Time (or one of the free DNS services) to do > > secondary for you. Just read the DNS-HOWTO; it's not difficult to set up. > > > > > > possibly www & ftp (not anonymous) at some point (apache & one of the > > > ftpd's ) > > > > Yeah, you're probably going to want an httpd, and apache's the tool of > choice > > there. > > > My thoughts as well > > > If you don't want to offer anon ftp and you're running ssh[1], take a look > at > > sftp. It's basically just the ftp protocol run over an ssh connection. > Very > > nice, friendlier than scp, and with all the security of ssh. And it's not > > yet-another-daemon-running-as-root. > > > I'll look into this > > > [1] You've probably heard it from Amy already, but, just in case, here it > is > > from me: DON'T run a telnetd unless absolutely necessary. Run sshd > instead. > > I did know that. But thanks for the reminder. > > Anything eles that I need to think about? > > Thanks, > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 21 16:43:09 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer Message-ID: I got glxinfo and gears working, but when I try to compile the latest version of xlock with the GL screen savers, I get: gcc -o xlock xlock.o passwd.o resource.o utils.o logout.o mode.o ras.o xbm.o color.o sound.o ant.o ball.o bat.o blot.o bouboule.o bounce.o braid.o bug.o clock.o crystal.o daisy.o dclock.o demon.o drift.o eyes.o flag.o flame.o forest.o fract.o galaxy.o geometry.o grav.o helix.o hop.o hyper.o ico.o ifs.o image.o julia.o kaleid.o laser.o life.o life1d.o life3d.o lightning.o lisa.o lissie.o loop.o marquee.o maze.o mountain.o nose.o pacman.o penrose.o petal.o puzzle.o pyro.o qix.o roll.o rotor.o shape.o sierpinski.o slip.o sphere.o spiral.o spline.o star.o strange.o swarm.o swirl.o triangle.o tube.o turtle.o voters.o wator.o wire.o world.o worm.o cartoon.o escher.o gears.o morph3d.o superquadrics.o buildlwo.o pipes.o pipeobjs.o sproingies.o sproingiewrap.o s1_b.o s1_1.o s1_2.o s1_3.o s1_4.o s1_5.o s1_6.o blank.o bomb.o random.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lSM -lICE -lXpm -lGL -lGLU -lgl -lX11 -lXext -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [xlock] Error 1 It also cannot find -lgl. Programs that are linked against libGLU.so.1 work just fine. Why can't my gcc find it? I've done an ldconfig and it had no effect. Any ideas? BTW, gears runs at over 600fps in the default window size and 110fps at 1280x1024. Sweet. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Morgul Nazgul [mailto:morgul@real-time.com] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 3:40 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm still having trouble with mine also, except I have an Nvidia Geforce. > > I know I'm missing some libs because glxinfo dies with a missing lib error, > and I can't compile things that use opengl. Quake and terminus won't even > start either. > > If I remove glut and mesa from my system completely, what do I need to grab > and compile or make links to to get it all working right? Do I have to load > the dri module with the geforce? What other modules? > > Jay > Which libraries are you missing? In case you didn't know about the command 'ldd ' will tell you. When I upgraded from 3.3.6 to 4.0.1 I removed ALL of my old "libGL.so*" and "libMesaGL.so*" libraries. Only keep "libGLU*" and "libglut*" around. Depending on where you like your libraries, I put them in /usr/lib. Also, just incase any old programs were linked to "libMesaGL.so*", you might want to make some symlinks to "libGL.so" as well. Then make sure you have "/usr/X11R6/lib" (or where ever the XF4 libraries are) in ld.so.conf and then run 'ldconfig'. After that, try 'ldd glxinfo' again. I appologise if you already know how to do this. As far as which modulse to load, you need to load the DRI module if you want to use 3D acceleration. If you are only planning on running 3D apps under root, then you do not need that extra section for DRI that specified permissions. I found out about that in README.DRI, which for me, was under "/var/X11R6/lib/doc". Be careful about some of those docs though, they aren't completely accurate. Also, dri.sourceforget.net has a link to "libGLU", glide3x w/ DRI support, and a couple other things. Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Oct 21 17:34:36 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown References: <39F09000.C4B65556@fruitioninc.com> <20001021154506.M30171@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <39F219FC.C08F685F@ringworld.org> > So, I dont get why they have her there, its not like shes > there showing of dakatina, the game she contributed to. > Sex appeal. Big brested Quake playing female. Sounds like a good opening day gimick to me. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Oct 21 17:38:39 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: <39F219FC.C08F685F@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Sex appeal. Big brested Quake playing female. $$ Syntax error, Line 1: Big Breasted Quake playing female$$ $$ Big breasted, Quake playing female $$ or $$ Big breasted female playing quake $$ $$ 15 yard penalty $$ Exit code (FFFFFT!) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sat Oct 21 18:32:59 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: <39F219FC.C08F685F@ringworld.org> Message-ID: well, my opinion of the place: it's lame.. i don't know how they are going to find the people to actualy pay for gaming like that.. no one seems to remember what happened to the last gaming place in downtown.. they couldn't keep up with the hardware.. they had to replace parts every few months to keep up with "more cool than you home box" and the stevie chick was also lame.. just wandering around flaunting her plastic breasts. oh well.. i wasn't impressed. gaming has goten too obsessive for me.. people that play like it's a sport, with only winning as a goal. i think i'll stick to my private lan parties, where we just go to have fun killing each other.. and hey.. if you top the frags.. no one really notices. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > > So, I dont get why they have her there, its not like shes > > there showing of dakatina, the game she contributed to. > > > > Sex appeal. Big brested Quake playing female. Sounds like a good opening day > gimick to me. > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. > "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." > -- Nikki Giovanni > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Oct 21 23:03:51 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22943] tuxracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Morgul Nazgul wrote: > Is this with xfree 4.0/4.0.1? If it is, try 'glxinfo' and see which > renderer it is using. 'glxinfo' does not exist on my system. Mesa/Mesa-devel is installed, as well as all the GL stuff that comes with X 4*. What's glxinfo come with? I am not loading GLcore in my current XF86Config, I'll have to try that on Monday. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 22 00:43:43 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23011] Re: "unsafe mouse" ??? Message-ID: <39F27E8F.9B25DDE0@tc.umn.edu> Bob W. Anderson wrote: > Finally got Mandrake Linux 7.1 installed. Ran last night, but tonight I > have no mouse. I read in one of the logs that my "unsafe mouse" had > been uninstalled. Can I get it (Logitech optical) back? Is there any > way to navigate in Linux without a mouse? How do I reinstall a mouse? Not sure what "unsafe mouse" means. However, the following information about keyboard navigation may be helpful. Linux supports something called "virtual consoles". Typically, six of the virtual consoles are running a character based login shell. If you're stuck in X without a mouse, you should be able to switch over to virtual console #1 by pressing Ctrl + Alt + F1 (console #2 would be Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc. -- X typically runs on console #7). From there, it should be possible to log in and take a look around, edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config file, run xf86config, or whatever. -- ============== SIGN the Linux Driver Petition: Joel Schneider http://www.libranet.com/petition.html jts@tc.umn.edu SIGN the Mars Petition: ============== http://www.thinkmars.net/petition.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Sun Oct 22 02:31:54 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown References: Message-ID: <39F297EA.B17C3E6E@ringworld.org> Private LAN parties are the best. There's nothing quite like getting slap happy tired and playing crowbar tag in Half Life... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 22 04:24:30 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23014] Slashdot is sick Message-ID: <20001022042430.D23199@real-time.com> Slashdot is sick. Anyone else getting problems about not being able to find Slashdot.pm? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 22 04:17:38 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23013] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: <20001021012151.A28959@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 01:21:51AM -0500 References: <20001021012151.A28959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001022041738.B23199@real-time.com> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > Unfortunatly, I get the same error on boot. My previous CBOS version was > 2.0.1. my guess is I should have gone 2.0.1 -> 2.1.x -> 2.2. Anyone know > where I can get 2.1? http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/tablebuild.pl/600?param=case3 IF you cannot get in, let me know I and I can download you whatever image you want. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net Sun Oct 22 07:10:17 2000 From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23014] Slashdot is sick References: <20001022042430.D23199@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001201c03c21$0dc0cb60$90b9fed1@e8fse> I have a problem loading the pages but they come up on the 1st reload. knewt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Tanner To: Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 02:24 Subject: [TCLUG:23014] Slashdot is sick > Slashdot is sick. > > Anyone else getting problems about not being able to find Slashdot.pm? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Oct 22 09:45:48 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: <39F297EA.B17C3E6E@ringworld.org> Message-ID: hahahahha.. yes.. or just throwing snarks at each other. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Private LAN parties are the best. There's nothing quite like getting slap > happy tired and playing crowbar tag in Half Life... > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. > "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." > -- Nikki Giovanni > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Oct 22 12:36:34 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown References: Message-ID: <39F325A2.15A056D7@tcfreenet.org> > hahahahha.. yes.. or just throwing snarks at each other. Buglies? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Oct 22 12:42:39 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off Message-ID: <1238220001002217423969@black-hole.com> A dual Athlon board? Really? It's actually happening this time? Sorry if I'm a bit behind, been down Puerto Rico since Mon and this is the first chance I've had to get online, 546 messeges to slogg through. ---- Original Message ---- From: veldy@veldy.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:36:35 -0500 >Ahh ... but they just demonstrated a dual-Athlon system last week or >so. It >should be stablizing and we should see a board soon if all goes well. > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:31 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem >is >ripping me off > > >> Heh. They've been saying that since last fall. That new Mamba >thing >> Micron came up with looks kick-ass though... I want dual Athlons >bad... >> >> Gabe >> >> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:17:19AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse >wrote: >> > Wait for the dual Athlons :) Should be anytime now. >> > >> > Tom Veldhouse >> > veldy@veldy.net >> > >> >> -- >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >------ >> Gabe Turner | X-President, >> UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >> U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of >Minnesota >> Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | >dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu >> >> "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal >example of >> the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- >the >Cross." >> >> - John Adams >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >----- >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sun Oct 22 12:59:33 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:22676] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:2254] Cable modem is ripping me off In-Reply-To: <1238220001002217423969@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:42:39PM -0500 References: <1238220001002217423969@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001022125933.C25253@sherohman.org> On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:42:39PM -0500, Brian Toberman wrote: > A dual Athlon board? Really? It's actually happening this time? Yeah. IIRC, it's supposed to hit the market around the end of the year. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Sun Oct 22 13:44:28 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL Message-ID: I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) both have free installation --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mauvehead at nerp.net Sun Oct 22 13:56:43 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (nate) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL References: Message-ID: <39F3386B.E38FA1E@nerp.net> You want a nice quick Internet connection to suck bandwidth and surf the web with a cozy little family linked on it, get cable. You want to run real servers, or do some hardcore gaming, you get dsl. I have both. As I do both. DSL IMHO is better and I would take a 768k sDSL over a 2mb Cable any day. My dsl is 144k iDSL so I have the Cable for my private lan to just surf and suck from the web. Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > both have free installation > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Oct 22 15:22:23 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't get DSL select...the extra $10 / month is well worth not being pooled at the DSLAM. The select destroys most of what makes DSL such a great option - no busies, no waiting to get online. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > both have free installation > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Oct 22 15:30:37 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh.. i didn't even realize that.. the DSL select is like a dialup? how lame... Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Don't get DSL select...the extra $10 / month is well worth not being > pooled at the DSLAM. The select destroys most of what makes DSL such a > great option - no busies, no waiting to get online. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > > both have free installation > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 22 17:13:33 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL Message-ID: My girlfriend has the select DSL and it sucks bigtime. You get disconnected if too many people get on, and I'm not sure if you can use a cisco 675 with it. She has the crappy intel 2100 internal atm card which only works with windows, don't get the internal card. I'm with goldengate.net right now, they have excellent pricing, and for an extra $15 a month you get a block of 8 ip's, 5 usable. However, if you plan on saturating it 24/7, go with Qwest for an ISP. They're so large they won't even notice, and Qwest's residential DSL is sustained, not burstable like most others. Although, goldengate has not turned on the burstable features yet, and hopefully they'll keep it that way. I'll switch back to Qwest if they ever do turn it on. When I had Qwest before, I had my line completely saturated for about 5 days straight, and they didn't even notice (or care). That was a 768k line too. If you plan on running any type of servers, get DSL. A friend of mine has a cable modem through Media One, he started a webserver on port 7000 and they found it and shut him off. He got it turned back on with the promise that he wouldn't ever run another server. Read the user agreement on the cable providers site, Media one says you cannot send jokes and forwards in your email, chat with more than 3 people simultaneously, and do a whole bunch of other things that normal people do. I heard they were also going to ban VPN's unless you pay for the business service which is over $100 a month. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:31 PM To: Tclug-List Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL oh.. i didn't even realize that.. the DSL select is like a dialup? how lame... Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Don't get DSL select...the extra $10 / month is well worth not being > pooled at the DSLAM. The select destroys most of what makes DSL such a > great option - no busies, no waiting to get online. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > > both have free installation > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 22 17:17:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23025] gcc can't find libs Message-ID: When I try to compile something using the -lGLU and -lgl flags, gcc says it can't find those libraries, even though I have them. I have some precompiled binaries that are linked against them and work just fine. I've done an ldconfig, but I still get the same error. Any ideas on how to fix this? I'm trying to make a GL clone of the game "SFcave" for the palmOS. That game is so addicting. Jay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sun Oct 22 21:41:11 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL References: Message-ID: <000601c03c9a$b46d3560$0100a8c0@cascade> If you actually qualify for the 640K from Qwest, I would use them with a good ISP (i.e. VISI.com, real-time and others). You will prefer DSL if you get a good provider and get enough bandwidth. That is my opinion anyway. I have personally had a Cable Modem from MediaOne and a couple of DSL providers to make my judgement. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew LaBerge" To: "Tclug-List" Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > both have free installation > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 22 22:03:26 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23027] Ghost Alternatives Message-ID: I can't remember who was looking for a Ghost alternative, but whilst reading the mail I heard about a couple of possible proggies one could use: Partimage http://partimage.sourceforge.net and udpcast (can be found via freshmeat. That is all... Kelly Black _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Oct 21 09:45:29 2000 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:22981] Cisco 675 woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200010211446.e9LEk7G12573@sprite.real-time.com> On 21 Oct 00, at 9:35, Austad, Jay wrote: I erased section 0 -> 6 & haven't had any problems. If you try to erase section 7 it comes back with the message "You don't really want to do that." Jay > Maybe it was section 6 that wasn't supposed to be erased, it was the highest > numbered one, and their document incorrectly instructed to erase it. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Oct 21 12:35:50 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22743] Star Office 5.2 In-Reply-To: <20001016210009.C12646@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Anyone able to get Star Office 5.2 to print? > > Printing to a printer or file generates a vary large .ps file, but it's just > blank. The ps files I generate from print to file for what SO52 thinks is a hp postscript laserjet (5MSi?) are fine. I cat the files to nprint and it prints fine. Good Luck, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 23 04:15:28 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: <000601c03c9a$b46d3560$0100a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 09:41:11PM -0500 References: <000601c03c9a$b46d3560$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20001023041527.R30171@ringworld.org> Since ive had enough bashing-time on this topic, i suggest you check out the archives. There are many of us who love our cable modems, and love our dsl. Whatever is out there, you have tradeoffs. And I find it cheaper for me to do it with cable and a colo, than really expensive DSL to gain the same bandwidth effect. And, yes. my latency is fine. All you gotta do is go to www.mn-linux.org, find the box on the right to search the archives and put in "cable modem dsl" IMHO, its the difference between 640k, with a static, or 2MBit or more, without. I'll take the dynamic ip, and more bandwidth, thank you. Going off and saying DSL is the only way to go is pretty bad when many of us here on the list rely on it every day with little or no problems, and enjoy the bandwidth we get from it. * Thomas T. Veldhouse [001022 21:43]: > If you actually qualify for the 640K from Qwest, I would use them with a > good ISP (i.e. VISI.com, real-time and others). > > You will prefer DSL if you get a good provider and get enough bandwidth. > That is my opinion anyway. I have personally had a Cable Modem from > MediaOne and a couple of DSL providers to make my judgement. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew LaBerge" > To: "Tclug-List" > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:44 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > > both have free installation > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's how it really breaks down: basic service $40 fee for no cable TV 10 modem rental 6 taxes 4 ---------------------------- total $60 John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 23 08:01:03 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm trying to do a Debian install on a new system. Since I don't have any sort of broadband at home I took the machine with me this weekend to use my father-in-law's cable modem connection. Unfortunately, I failed because I couldn't get an IP address using DHCP in the network configuration section of the installer. Thinking that it was potentially a problem with the cable provider not supporting Linux (DHCP worked with Windows fine on the same machine), I brought it in to school today to give it another try with my Linux network. Unfortunately, I have the same trouble. The Debian installer reports that it failed to configure the network and asks if I'd like to do it manually. I went through and typed in the settings by hand but found that the installer didn't activate the network when I was finished. It says that it will be activated when I reboot which is fine if I don't need the network for the rest of the install. Which I do! Any answers here? I'm using the latest boot floppies. I've done this before, and I'm not sure why it's not working now. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 23 08:03:26 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23031] Two Cryptonomicon questions Message-ID: Good morning *, I don't know if any of you have read Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon." I just finished it and enjoyed it very much. I have two questions, however. (Don't worry, they're not spoilers.) 1. Why does he refer to Linux as "Finux" throughout the book? 2. Does the ETC (Electric Till Corporation) in the book correspond to NCR or IBM in real life? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rjb at artimex.com Mon Oct 23 08:01:51 2000 From: rjb at artimex.com (Bob Brashear) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL References: <200010230435.XAA15675@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39F436BF.CDB14255@artimex.com> Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these twits. -- Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mauvehead at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 08:16:47 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL References: <200010230435.XAA15675@nitz.hep.umn.edu> <39F436BF.CDB14255@artimex.com> Message-ID: <39F43A3F.3A0622D4@nerp.net> I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. Bob Brashear wrote: > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > twits. > > -- > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > stars!" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 23 08:23:20 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23031] Two Cryptonomicon questions Message-ID: Neal was interviewed on Slashdot a few months back. I'm pretty sure the answer to your first question is there, not sure about the second. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:03 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG:23031] Two Cryptonomicon questions Good morning *, I don't know if any of you have read Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon." I just finished it and enjoyed it very much. I have two questions, however. (Don't worry, they're not spoilers.) 1. Why does he refer to Linux as "Finux" throughout the book? 2. Does the ETC (Electric Till Corporation) in the book correspond to NCR or IBM in real life? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 23 08:26:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL Message-ID: I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have every single month for the last 15 months. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. Bob Brashear wrote: > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > twits. > > -- > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > stars!" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Mon Oct 23 08:43:50 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: <20001023041527.R30171@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hiya. Without sounding like I'm adding to a flame... I think it's important to hear people's opinions, whether you think they are right or wrong. Please don't try to keep the list members from "Going off and saying..." whatever they want. :) I appreciate your opinion, and you are probably right. However, it is still an opinion and, just like Veldy's, must be taken as opinion. For the record, I've used cable and recently (6 months ago) switch to DSL. I prefer the DSL, although the only problem I've had with cable is the bandwidth. DSL seems more predictable and consistent. That's my opinion. Timothy On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > Since ive had enough bashing-time on this topic, i suggest you check out > the archives. There are many of us who love our cable modems, and love > our dsl. > > Whatever is out there, you have tradeoffs. And I find it cheaper for me > to do it with cable and a colo, than really expensive DSL to gain the > same bandwidth effect. > > And, yes. my latency is fine. > > All you gotta do is go to www.mn-linux.org, find the box on the right to > search the archives and put in "cable modem dsl" > > IMHO, its the difference between 640k, with a static, or 2MBit or more, > without. I'll take the dynamic ip, and more bandwidth, thank you. > > Going off and saying DSL is the only way to go is pretty bad when many > of us here on the list rely on it every day with little or no problems, > and enjoy the bandwidth we get from it. > > * Thomas T. Veldhouse [001022 21:43]: > > If you actually qualify for the 640K from Qwest, I would use them with a > > good ISP (i.e. VISI.com, real-time and others). > > > > You will prefer DSL if you get a good provider and get enough bandwidth. > > That is my opinion anyway. I have personally had a Cable Modem from > > MediaOne and a couple of DSL providers to make my judgement. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew LaBerge" > > To: "Tclug-List" > > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:44 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > I've had 2 offers for high speed internet services thrown my way but cant > > > decide which to get so I thought I'd ask the list. > > > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > > > 2 Quest DSL Select $20 (640k) > > > both have free installation > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 08:45:21 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to install. 10 months, life really must be better here. Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino americans. Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the incumbents. Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things add up. Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > every single month for the last 15 months. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > twits. > > > > -- > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > stars!" > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 23 08:50:01 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL Message-ID: http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their stories. Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. Whenever they give me trouble, I threaten the PUC and they usually give me a $50 credit on my bill or something else that seems like something they would never do. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:45 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to install. 10 months, life really must be better here. Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino americans. Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the incumbents. Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things add up. Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > every single month for the last 15 months. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > twits. > > > > -- > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > stars!" > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rjb at artimex.com Mon Oct 23 08:54:13 2000 From: rjb at artimex.com (Bob Brashear) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL References: Message-ID: <39F44305.1A66272B@artimex.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. > Whenever they give me trouble, I threaten the PUC and they usually give me a > $50 credit on my bill or something else that seems like something they would > never do. > > Jay Jay, It has been my experience that the PUC is in bed with Qworst and the other utilities. Absolutely no cooperation, or even sympathy with any complaints about service or the lack of it. Strangely, I've had no billing problems. My spidey senses are tingling! -- Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mauvehead at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 09:27:08 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL References: Message-ID: <39F44ABC.19DD4EC0@nerp.net> I fixed my problem very easily. I called KMSP. CONSUMER ACTION RESPONSE TEAM. Let's just say, USWorst was very quick to help me after that :-] Get the media to threaten to run a story about them, and USWorst will bend over backwards for you. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > stories. > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. > Whenever they give me trouble, I threaten the PUC and they usually give me a > $50 credit on my bill or something else that seems like something they would > never do. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:45 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > americans. > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > incumbents. > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > add up. > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell > the > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't > have > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > twits. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > stars!" > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Oct 23 09:29:05 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:01:03AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001023092905.A4552@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:01:03AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >Any answers here? I'm using the latest boot floppies. I've done this before, >and I'm not sure why it's not working now. > It's been my experience that if DHCP fails it's because your cable is bad. Also are you _sure_ the driver for your network card is loaded and functional? -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 09:32:47 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: <39F44ABC.19DD4EC0@nerp.net> Message-ID: I believe it was gofast.net that blew the whistle about their anti-trust ISDN practices (and only installing in upper-class areas). I also believe it was another local ISP named Sihope that filed the affidavit with the state about their DSL roll-out before the tarrif was approved. They were offering DSL before any ISP's could offer it - basically USWest.net got to jump the gun because of their relationship with the ILEC. The same day the story ran in the paper a bunch of our lines were disconnected for a few hours, no explanation from Interprise ("we don't know what happened, they just started working again!"). Driving fear into the hearts of US-West employees... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Nate Sanders wrote: > I fixed my problem very easily. I called KMSP. > > CONSUMER ACTION RESPONSE TEAM. > > Let's just say, USWorst was very quick to help me after that :-] > Get the media to threaten to run a story about them, and USWorst will > bend over backwards for you. > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > > stories. > > > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. > > Whenever they give me trouble, I threaten the PUC and they usually give me a > > $50 credit on my bill or something else that seems like something they would > > never do. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:45 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > americans. > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > incumbents. > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > add up. > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell > > the > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't > > have > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Oct 23 09:42:14 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: <200010230435.XAA15675@nitz.hep.umn.edu>; from trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu on Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 11:35:31PM -0500 References: <200010230435.XAA15675@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001023094214.S30171@ringworld.org> Ahh, you dont get CATV. See, we get Digital cable, and some even get digital phone, so like, its not that much more if your all with them. Same with Qworst, if you dont get phone from them, they tack extra taxes on too. * John J. Trammell [001023 07:05]: > Matthew LaBerge" wrote: > > > 1 AT&T Roadrunner $40 a month (1200k in 300k out) > > Right, suuuure it's only $40/month. Here's how it really breaks down: > > basic service $40 > fee for no cable TV 10 > modem rental 6 > taxes 4 > ---------------------------- > total $60 > > John > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > americans. > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > incumbents. > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > add up. > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > twits. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > stars!" > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 23 09:51:26 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP References: Message-ID: <39F4506E.FE539ABE@ltiflex.com> What type of network card are you working with? I remember that my network card didn't work in the debian installer if I had booted into windows before installing Debian (this was with an ne2k-pci) If I didn't start windows (powered down and botted windows safe mode command prompt only, or booted from floppy/cd) everything worked fine. From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 23 09:36:24 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP In-Reply-To: <20001023092905.A4552@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > It's been my experience that if DHCP fails it's because your cable is bad. > Also are you _sure_ the driver for your network card is loaded and functional? I booted into Windows and it worked fine. I'll try messing with the driver some more. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 23 10:21:47 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's References: Message-ID: <39F4578B.1119B284@innominatus.com> I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. Ben Kochie wrote: > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > americans. > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > incumbents. > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > add up. > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 10:17:47 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <39F4578B.1119B284@innominatus.com> Message-ID: Why not? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jason J wrote: > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 10:22:12 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <39F4578B.1119B284@innominatus.com> Message-ID: yes, i agree, somewhat, you should still probably smarthost relay through your ISP, but ISP's should be in charge of RBL'ing themselvs.. take an active role in spam control. but yea.. dynamics are OK to RBL.. and statics should be able to send out mail. I know our DSL at my company (funny, your DSL is more reliabale than our T1 was) should not be RBL'ed.. we have statics. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jason J wrote: > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > americans. > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > incumbents. > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > add up. > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Oct 23 10:21:53 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <39F4578B.1119B284@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500 References: <39F4578B.1119B284@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001023102153.F5722@sorry.cs.umn.edu> ??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam? I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL. Gabe On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > americans. > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > incumbents. > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > add up. > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 10:24:27 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <20001023102153.F5722@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: I think they were talking about the DUL - different list. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > ??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly > setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam? > I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL. > > Gabe > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > > americans. > > > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > > incumbents. > > > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > > add up. > > > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" > - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Oct 23 10:36:37 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's References: <39F4578B.1119B284@innominatus.com> <20001023102153.F5722@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39F45B05.532A4C9F@innominatus.com> If you are allowing relays from ANY IP in the world, then you should be blocked. But I only relay IP's I trust. Dont punish me becuase of someone in Brazil. dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > ??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly > setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam? > I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL. > > Gabe > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > > americans. > > > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > > incumbents. > > > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > > add up. > > > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" > - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 10:51:08 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <39F45B05.532A4C9F@innominatus.com> Message-ID: Statics are usually not listed in DUL because the customer generally pays for a static, so it's not likely they'll spam from that account (most spammers sign up for a cheap throw-away account and never pay their bill). If you're talking about the RBL, you won't have to worry about being listed unless you spam. If you relay-rape some machine in brazil, well, you deserve to be blacklisted. But if you don't spam you have nothing to worry about as far as the RBL goes. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jason J wrote: > If you are allowing relays from ANY IP in the world, then you should be blocked. But I > only relay IP's I trust. > > Dont punish me becuase of someone in Brazil. > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > ??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly > > setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam? > > I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > > > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > > > americans. > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > > > incumbents. > > > > > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > > > add up. > > > > > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" > > - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 11:10:15 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: is there a good sendmail addon for a centralized DUL list? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Statics are usually not listed in DUL because the customer generally > pays for a static, so it's not likely they'll spam from that account (most > spammers sign up for a cheap throw-away account and never pay their bill). > > If you're talking about the RBL, you won't have to worry about being > listed unless you spam. If you relay-rape some machine in brazil, well, > you deserve to be blacklisted. But if you don't spam you have nothing to > worry about as far as the RBL goes. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > If you are allowing relays from ANY IP in the world, then you should be blocked. But I > > only relay IP's I trust. > > > > Dont punish me becuase of someone in Brazil. > > > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > ??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly > > > setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam? > > > I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL. > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > > > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > > > > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > > > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > > > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > > > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > > > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > > > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > > > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > > > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > > > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > > > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > > > > americans. > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > > > > incumbents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > > > > add up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" > > > - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Oct 23 11:51:41 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23056] m68k Linux floppy no-boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001023113826.00a26730@pop.mpls.uswest.net> I'm working to set up m68k Linux (Debian) on a Macintosh SE/30. The SE/30 is stock, except for 32MB of RAM and an external 1GB drive. When I insert the "rescue.bin" boot floppy, the system starts to boot from the floppy, does a couple of seeks, then gives up and starts booting from the internal hard drive. I have written two different floppies, both of which verified fine. Both floppies are producing the same results. I have also tried both floppies on different SE/30s (I have two). Same results. My conclusion is that Debian sucks - JUST KIDDING :) Anyone have this distro working? PS what is meant by a Mach Kernel? Is that like a Mock Turtle? TYIA, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 12:07:38 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23056] m68k Linux floppy no-boot In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001023113826.00a26730@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: ack.. you don't dd that image.. it's not mac bootable.. loading linux/bsd on 68k macs is complicated.. you have to re-partiton it, load macOS, and then use a macOS boot loader on the kernel image... Mach Kernel is for PPC Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > I'm working to set up m68k Linux (Debian) on a Macintosh SE/30. The SE/30 > is stock, except for 32MB of RAM and an external 1GB drive. When I insert > the "rescue.bin" boot floppy, the system starts to boot from the floppy, > does a couple of seeks, then gives up and starts booting from the internal > hard drive. > > I have written two different floppies, both of which verified fine. Both > floppies are producing the same results. I have also tried both floppies on > different SE/30s (I have two). Same results. > > My conclusion is that Debian sucks - JUST KIDDING :) Anyone have this > distro working? PS what is meant by a Mach Kernel? Is that like a Mock Turtle? > > TYIA, Bill > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 12:21:33 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FEATURE(`dul')dnl Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > is there a good sendmail addon for a centralized DUL list? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Statics are usually not listed in DUL because the customer generally > > pays for a static, so it's not likely they'll spam from that account (most > > spammers sign up for a cheap throw-away account and never pay their bill). > > > > If you're talking about the RBL, you won't have to worry about being > > listed unless you spam. If you relay-rape some machine in brazil, well, > > you deserve to be blacklisted. But if you don't spam you have nothing to > > worry about as far as the RBL goes. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > > If you are allowing relays from ANY IP in the world, then you should be blocked. But I > > > only relay IP's I trust. > > > > > > Dont punish me becuase of someone in Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > > ??? If this were the case, how would anyone block against some poorly > > > > setup machine in Brazil being used as a relay to flood them with spam? > > > > I think if people leave their relays open, they should be added to the RBL. > > > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:21:47AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > > > > I host a domain off my DSL, including email. I do not think static IP's for DSL > > > > > customers should be RBL'd, just dynamic accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > yep.. i'd agree, Qwest and UUnet dialups, and cable modems should be RBL'd > > > > > > even RR should be RBL'd, there is no reason for cable, DSL, dialup users > > > > > > should need to connect to anyone, but their ISP's SMTP. > > > > > > I'll agree with adam.. CLEC's rock.. I have USLink (Qworst reseller) up in > > > > > > princeton, my rep is responsive, I can call him, wait 2 rings, and be > > > > > > either talking to him, or a customer service rep, that can handle just > > > > > > about all my problems, or can get me to someone who can.. the only problem > > > > > > they havn't been able to solve is the fact that if you call our main POTS > > > > > > line number from the 320 area code.. you get a fast busy.. what the heck > > > > > > is with that. (anyone in 320 want to give me a call to verify this?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ordered a 3rd line at my folks' house a few years ago. The order was > > > > > > > placed in June. The due-date kept getting pushed until January. Then the > > > > > > > installer came out and told me they couldn't install because the ground > > > > > > > was frozen (and they couldn't dig). Finally in April they were able to > > > > > > > install. 10 months, life really must be better here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the long distance company is on the top of the list for "slamming" - > > > > > > > that is, changing LD service w/o customers consent (and falsifying the > > > > > > > "Yes I agree" recordings). They've been targetting asian and latino > > > > > > > americans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the ISP is spam-friendly, abuse@qwest.net > /dev/null. They don't > > > > > > > nuke spammer accounts or their websites. There's talk on NANAE about an > > > > > > > RBL nomination (UU.net too) and there's talk on NANAU about a UDP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest the local telco, well, they'll surely live up to my expectations and > > > > > > > continue US-West's legacy of the qworst customer service of the > > > > > > > incumbents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't even get me started on billing. I have to initial every telco bill > > > > > > > that comes in here before we pay (apparently we recovered $1000's in > > > > > > > mischarges from a certain telephone company going unchecked...). I have > > > > > > > to wade through their ridiculous billing statements and make sure things > > > > > > > add up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Qwest bad, Deregulation GOOD! > > > > > > > Qwest bad, CLECs GOOD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got a new line at my new place, and they didn't even come out this > > > > > > > > time. They just sent me a packet of crap in the mail and told me I could > > > > > > > > plug in my equipment anytime after a certain date. I went through hell the > > > > > > > > last 2 times I ordered it, I was very surprised this time when I didn't have > > > > > > > > any troubles. Of course, they screwed up my bill though like they have > > > > > > > > every single month for the last 15 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 AM > > > > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've delt with this all too much. I spent 3 months waiting for an ISDN > > > > > > > > installation a few years ago. Many problems because of USWorst. Now more > > > > > > > > recently, I spent 6 and a half months waiting for a DSL, which wasn't > > > > > > > > even being done by QWorst, but because they resell their lines, I had to > > > > > > > > deal with them any ways. And as usual they screwed me in the butt till > > > > > > > > they were very satasfied. Apointments? I thought they just picked random > > > > > > > > days to come to my house. It sure seemed like it to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, to get DSL, Qworst has to be able to string phone lines that > > > > > > > > > don't route through texas or california to get from the CO in Richfield > > > > > > > > > to the east Richfield area. They also have to get people that will show > > > > > > > > > up for scheduled install appointments. Very bitter dealing with these > > > > > > > > > twits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 > > > > > > > > > The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the > > > > > > > > > stars!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > mauvehead@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > > > > > > > > Infected Communications Admin: irc.infected.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > > > "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" > > > > - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 23 12:36:47 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:50:01AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001023123647.A7189@real-time.com> > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > stories. > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. how does one go about complaining to the PUC? (what *is* the PUC?) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 23 12:37:21 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat Message-ID: <972322641.39f47751b4685@www.fandre.com> Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Oct 23 12:40:50 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: <20001023123647.A7189@real-time.com> Message-ID: > how does one go about complaining to the PUC? (what *is* the PUC?) Public Utilities Commission: http://www.puc.state.mn.us/ Andy > > Carl. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 23 12:40:42 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL In-Reply-To: <20001023123647.A7189@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:36:47PM -0500 References: <20001023123647.A7189@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001023124042.C8758@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:36:47PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > > stories. > > > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. > > how does one go about complaining to the PUC? (what *is* the PUC?) Public Utilities Commission. No idea how to contact 'em, though. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Oct 23 12:45:09 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL Message-ID: <0G2W00GD9991MI@mail1.supervalu.com> The PUC is the Public Utilities Commission. :) Their webpage is at http://www.puc.state.mn.us/ Nick chrome@real-time.com, on 10/23/2000 12:36:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > stories. > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. how does one go about complaining to the PUC? (what *is* the PUC?) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 23 12:58:44 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL Message-ID: You can also ask your friendly uswest customer service rep for the number for the PUC. They are required by law to give it to you. -----Original Message----- From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:45 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL The PUC is the Public Utilities Commission. :) Their webpage is at http://www.puc.state.mn.us/ Nick chrome@real-time.com, on 10/23/2000 12:36:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23020] Cable or DSL > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > stories. > > Apparently, if you complain to the PUC about them, they get an automatic > $500 fine, regardless of whether or not your complaint is valid or not. how does one go about complaining to the PUC? (what *is* the PUC?) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 23 12:45:10 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23065] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:21:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001023124510.P7225@real-time.com> Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > FEATURE(`dul')dnl > Eh? What version of sendmail are you running? In the 8.10.x and the 8.11.x this is the feature set: FEATURE(dnsbl, `dialups.mail-abuse.org', `Dialup - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/')dnl Unless you tweaked stuff in the feature directory. Cuz, here is what it says if you use that feature set: Warning: FEATURE(`rbl') is deprecated, use FEATURE(`dnsbl') instead Since we are all editing our .mc files, you should probably have this in there too :-) FEATURE(dnsbl, `rbl.maps.vix.com', `Rejected - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/')dnl FEATURE(dnsbl, `relays.mail-abuse.org', `Open spam relay - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/')dnl -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 13:47:54 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat In-Reply-To: <972322641.39f47751b4685@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: hrmm.. last i checked.. you had to boot reiser / with an ext2 /boot partition for the kernel, and maybe init.. (you can keep it mounted ro) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Oct 23 13:36:54 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23056] m68k Linux floppy no-boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001023133357.00a2aa80@192.168.210.18> Hi Ben.. Far be it from me to snap to judgement and call anyone "wrong", so rather than bringing my own potentially warped belief system further into this debate, I'll paste this excerpt from: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-m68k/2.2.16-2000-07-14/R EADME.txt ** Specific Files of Interest Using the descriptions above, you need to select the directory containing the set of files which is appropriate to the installation you are doing. You will need all of the following `.bin' images, unless marked otherwise. .../rescue.bin Rescue disk image, containing the kernel and a boot loader. .../root.bin Root disk image, containing the root file system. And this excerpt, from the same README file, which offers a suggestion as to the manner in which these files are to be used: ** Writing Image Files to Floppies You can write the *.bin disk images to floppies with dd. Replace `' with the name of the image file in the following command: dd of=/dev/fd0 if= bs=1024 It seems like I should mention that I am acquainted with the (somewhat involved, but still fairly trivial) process of installing BSD on a Macintosh - I have NetBSD running on one of the SE/30's already. I am prepared to perform a normal install (over a network, from local drive, or from a CD) but I thought it would be prudent to at least see the machine boot a "rescue floppy" once before I committed myself to the entire process. I noticed while reading the Install README, that 32bit addressing must be enabled for the normal bootloader (via MacOS) to succeed. Since 32bit addressing is *not* enabled by default on the SE/30 (this is a quirk, some say error in the SE/30 ROM), I am wondering if this is the reason that the machine would not start from the floppy. If enabled, will Mode32 persist between warm boots? I think you see what I am getting at here.. As always, Bill. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 14:16:54 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23065] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <20001023124510.P7225@real-time.com> Message-ID: arg.. sendmail 8.9.3 hrm.. i wonder if i can get a woody source upgrade to 8.10 (mmm.. debian packages :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > > FEATURE(`dul')dnl > > > > Eh? What version of sendmail are you running? > > In the 8.10.x and the 8.11.x this is the feature set: > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `dialups.mail-abuse.org', `Dialup - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/')dnl > > Unless you tweaked stuff in the feature directory. > > Cuz, here is what it says if you use that feature set: > > Warning: FEATURE(`rbl') is deprecated, use FEATURE(`dnsbl') instead > > > > > Since we are all editing our .mc files, you should probably have this in there > too :-) > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `rbl.maps.vix.com', `Rejected - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/')dnl > FEATURE(dnsbl, `relays.mail-abuse.org', `Open spam relay - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/')dnl > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 14:22:52 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23056] m68k Linux floppy no-boot In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001023133357.00a2aa80@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: that's new.. last time i tried it, you had to do the macos boot loader thing. booting directly to linux/bsd didn't work Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Hi Ben.. Far be it from me to snap to judgement and call anyone "wrong", so > rather than bringing my own potentially warped belief system further into > this debate, I'll paste this excerpt from: > > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-m68k/2.2.16-2000-07-14/R > EADME.txt > > ** Specific Files of Interest > Using the descriptions above, you need to select the directory > containing the set of files which is appropriate to the installation > you are doing. You will need all of the following `.bin' images, > unless marked otherwise. > .../rescue.bin > Rescue disk image, containing the kernel and a boot loader. > .../root.bin > Root disk image, containing the root file system. > > And this excerpt, from the same README file, which offers a suggestion as > to the manner in which these files are to be used: > > ** Writing Image Files to Floppies > You can write the *.bin disk images to floppies with dd. Replace > `' with the name of the image file in the following command: > dd of=/dev/fd0 if= bs=1024 > > It seems like I should mention that I am acquainted with the (somewhat > involved, but still fairly trivial) process of installing BSD on a > Macintosh - I have NetBSD running on one of the SE/30's already. I am > prepared to perform a normal install (over a network, from local drive, or > from a CD) but I thought it would be prudent to at least see the machine > boot a "rescue floppy" once before I committed myself to the entire process. > > I noticed while reading the Install README, that 32bit addressing must be > enabled for the normal bootloader (via MacOS) to succeed. Since 32bit > addressing is *not* enabled by default on the SE/30 (this is a quirk, some > say error in the SE/30 ROM), I am wondering if this is the reason that the > machine would not start from the floppy. If enabled, will Mode32 persist > between warm boots? I think you see what I am getting at here.. > > As always, Bill. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 23 14:38:21 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat Message-ID: I tried making everything reiserfs, it didn't work. Kernel panic because it can't read any of the partitions. It might work though if you could get the initrd image with the reiserfs module in it. Haven't tried it yet. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:48 PM To: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat hrmm.. last i checked.. you had to boot reiser / with an ext2 /boot partition for the kernel, and maybe init.. (you can keep it mounted ro) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 23 15:12:37 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 10:59:48PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001023151237.B3242@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 10:59:48PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > I wonder what ever happened to the original lan-party place > downtown.. back in 98 there was one.. wasn't doing very well.. hard > to keep up with cost of new boxes. To really make money doing this, you've got to have a marketing genius who takes building demand for the service his/her first and only priority. To be successful, they'll need to appeal to the competitive spirit and drive of some players. $5/hr is actually a very reasonable cost. Consider that it costs $7.50/race (10 laps == 5-10 minutes) at the Nascar Silicon Motor Speedway in the Mall, it's a very good deal for the amount of entertainment you get out of it. Still, gaming for an hour is not enough. They need to integrate competition into every level, where the leagues they're proposing has a first place prize that pays for most of your game time, or at least part of it. Another way to offset costs is to tie the business in to actual retail hardware sales and software sales, making the LAN a secondary income. With retailer and resale license, they can obtain hardware at a much reduced cost. Older boxes can be sold off or given off as prizes, or converted into servers, perhaps donated to schools. Imagine having a charity tournament where the participants play FOR the boxes they're on to be given to their respective non-profit organizations. There's a lot of directions they can go with this. It's just a matter of whether or not they can execute them effectively. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I created a reiser partition, > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > The site is now back up. Use the Red Hat boot disks available from the downloads page and read the docs. Reiser suggests keeping a small ext2 /boot partition on your drive. I followed the instructions and have reiserfs running on my / and /home partitions with Slackware 7.1 Good Luck! -- Dave Erickson - gsa700@mediaone.net http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 15:48:32 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23065] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: <20001023124510.P7225@real-time.com> Message-ID: Yeah, they used to use FEATURE(`RBL') and I think DUL used to be an option too (when it first was available) but they changed it in 8.10 like you said. Now they have it setup like you have - you specify any blacklist you want and just give the DNS server (dul.maps.vix.com / rbl.maps.vix.com / whatever.orbs.com). Makes it easier for those that want to run some of the lesser-known anti-spam services. I'm getting rusty in my old age :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > > FEATURE(`dul')dnl > > > > Eh? What version of sendmail are you running? > > In the 8.10.x and the 8.11.x this is the feature set: > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `dialups.mail-abuse.org', `Dialup - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/')dnl > > Unless you tweaked stuff in the feature directory. > > Cuz, here is what it says if you use that feature set: > > Warning: FEATURE(`rbl') is deprecated, use FEATURE(`dnsbl') instead > > > > > Since we are all editing our .mc files, you should probably have this in there > too :-) > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `rbl.maps.vix.com', `Rejected - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/')dnl > FEATURE(dnsbl, `relays.mail-abuse.org', `Open spam relay - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/')dnl > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cop7586 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 23 16:16:00 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? Message-ID: What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router out of it, but what other creative things can be done? Chris Opp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Mon Oct 23 15:04:55 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: <972322641.39f47751b4685@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39F499E7.5050409@mediaone.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > The site is now back up. Use the Red Hat boot disks available from the downloads page and read the docs. Reiser suggests keeping a small ext2 /boot partition on your drive. I followed the instructions and have reiserfs running on my / and /home partitions with Slackware 7.1 Good Luck! -- Dave Erickson - gsa700@mediaone.net http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 23 16:26:34 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: ; from cop7586@hotmail.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 04:16:00PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001023162634.F8758@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 04:16:00PM -0500, Chris Opp wrote: > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? I've got a P100 that makes a great MP3 box. Couple hundred MB hard drive with a few GB of mp3s NFS-mounted and a command-line player like mp3blaster, a half-decent sound card, and you're set. Side question: Anyone know a cheap way I could get this thing doing TV out? All the video cards I've been able to turn up with TV out seem to be either video editing boards (with TV in, etc.) or heavy-duty 3D accelerators. I just want something that will put text on my TV screen so I don't need to have a monitor sitting next to it. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Oct 23 16:28:34 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c03d38$32d840f0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > Not exactly creative, but I ran an in-house Quake 2 server, 4+ Eraser bots on a 486/DX100 for a while. As long as it's in console-only mode, it ran without a hitch. You could probably manage a Half-Life/Counterstrike server if you kept it to 6 or fewer players. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 23 16:25:12 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? Message-ID: A 486DX4100 with 32MB of ram can spit out 2 million emails a day using qmail (http://cr.yp.to). Firewall. 10/100 ethernet switch. (buy a couple of the 4 port intel Etherexpress cards for it and load the linux router project on it) Doorstop. A diskless Xterminal for your coffee table which displays data from your main workstation in your bedroom. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Opp [mailto:cop7586@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router out of it, but what other creative things can be done? Chris Opp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 23 17:00:26 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22931] lan-gaming center opening downtown References: <20001023151237.B3242@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39F4B4FA.A9FF1C9A@ltiflex.com> Comments can be posted here: http://forums.stomped.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=The+Stomping+Grounds&number=92&DaysPrune=30&LastLogin= Or e-mailed here: Xaiver xaiver@stomped.com Biz Guy Tawl tawl@stomped.com Team Leader Bigfoot bigfoot@stomped.com Hardware Guy Bietz bietz@stomped.com Promotions and Marketing Tawl seems to watch the forums. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Mon Oct 23 17:06:42 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For the past year and a half pyre has been hosted on a p60 w/48mb of memory. It's not setting any performance records but it's managed to sustain about a dozen users using everything from sql db's to setting up sites. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Oct 23 17:04:10 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: <001701c03d38$32d840f0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <39F4B5DA.27EED7D4@ltiflex.com> > Not exactly creative, but I ran an in-house Quake 2 server, 4+ Eraser bots on a > 486/DX100 for a while. As long as it's in console-only mode, it ran without a > hitch. You could probably manage a Half-Life/Counterstrike server if you kept > it to 6 or fewer players. I doubt you'd get up to 6 before you're processor couldn't handle it. Tried running a Team Fortress server on a DX100 at a LAN party once. It got unplayable at 4 players. Even serving HL off a p233 wasn't exactly great, but it did work decently enough. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 17:04:47 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: <20001023162634.F8758@sherohman.org> Message-ID: they make VGA->TV converters for $50 now Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 04:16:00PM -0500, Chris Opp wrote: > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > I've got a P100 that makes a great MP3 box. Couple hundred MB hard drive > with a few GB of mp3s NFS-mounted and a command-line player like mp3blaster, > a half-decent sound card, and you're set. > > Side question: Anyone know a cheap way I could get this thing doing TV out? > All the video cards I've been able to turn up with TV out seem to be either > video editing boards (with TV in, etc.) or heavy-duty 3D accelerators. I > just want something that will put text on my TV screen so I don't need to have > a monitor sitting next to it. > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Oct 23 17:06:24 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Oct 23 15:53:26 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23065] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23045] spam control, and CLEC's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can patch the .cf file by hand for you to include support for RBL and DUL if you'd like. I did it for some guy running 8.8.x once... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > arg.. sendmail 8.9.3 hrm.. i wonder if i can get a woody source upgrade > to 8.10 (mmm.. debian packages :) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > > > FEATURE(`dul')dnl > > > > > > > Eh? What version of sendmail are you running? > > > > In the 8.10.x and the 8.11.x this is the feature set: > > > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `dialups.mail-abuse.org', `Dialup - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/')dnl > > > > Unless you tweaked stuff in the feature directory. > > > > Cuz, here is what it says if you use that feature set: > > > > Warning: FEATURE(`rbl') is deprecated, use FEATURE(`dnsbl') instead > > > > > > > > > > Since we are all editing our .mc files, you should probably have this in there > > too :-) > > > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `rbl.maps.vix.com', `Rejected - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/')dnl > > FEATURE(dnsbl, `relays.mail-abuse.org', `Open spam relay - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/')dnl > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 23 17:34:25 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > they make VGA->TV converters for $50 now Who's "they"? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 23 17:45:48 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F4BF9C.52EC950C@structural-wood.com> Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup device... Ben Kochie wrote: > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > Chris Opp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Oct 23 17:57:52 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F4C270.2E53CA8D@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Chris Opp wrote: > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? 486/80 20MB made a nice CDR and Samba box (though it couldn't handle being the PDC in the dorm I lived in) It won the election by seniority after running about a month when all the Win98 machines finally died off. That made for some interesting network browsing problems. Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 23 17:59:56 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23089] sad day for decoding freedom Message-ID: <20001023175956.J7189@real-time.com> this is from the Pan newsreader's home page (www.superpimp.org). for some background; the original lawsuit was over Pan's inclusion of code to decode binaries (just like almost every other newsreader..). for clarity, I included some historical news items. ******************* October 11, 2000 - RIAA Wins Pan Lawsuit The slow-moving lawsuit between the RIAA and SuperPimpSoft has come to an unforunate end. Mere hours after today's release of Pan 0.9, United States District Judge Mark Taylor ruled against the free-software startup. In a strongly-worded 89-page ruling the Judge declared that SuperPimpSoft had wrongly encouraged copyright violation of pictures, music, and even movies by providing the ability to decode and save files posted to Usenet. Court is in recess until Friday, when it will convene to discuss injunctive and declaratory relief. Hillary Rosen, president of the RIAA, was ebullient: ``As with [the lawsuit against] mp3.com, the courts have sided with the music makers -- the dreamers of dreams -- instead of high-tech vultures." The ruling must come an embarassing blow to Napster, which purchased the free-software startup one week ago. Neither Napster nor SuperPimpSoft had any comment at press time. One Pan programmer, who refused to be named, hinted that today's release of 0.9 was no accident: "[Judge] Taylor's been hostile to us since day one. We wanted to release one final version with the [mp3] decoder.'' July 12, 2000 - Napster Buyout Talks Nothing has been signed yet, but as we're drowning in e-mail asking us about it, I've gotten permission to put up this mini-FAQ: Yes, Napster has approached us in buyout talks. Yes, Napster sees the RIAA/Pan suit as a legal asset. We can't say any more about this. Yes, Napster's legal team--including David Boies--would work with us on our RIAA suit. Yes, Pan will keep its GPL license. The talks will happen in their own sweet time, so please stop asking us about this. June 26, 2000 - RIAA Lawsuit Update The RIAA has returned to its original demand that we remove the binary decoder from Pan. They believe that since the decoder is a third-party library, our claim that it's unremovable is false. So with our July 24 court date a little less than a month away, we're back to square one. The strangest moment of the week came when one RIAA lawyer, in a moment of frustration, asked us how we'd feel if someone took Pan and gave it away to millions of users for free. After the Pan team stopped laughing, the Andover lawyers had to explain why we liked the idea so much. There's a Salon article here somewhere. :) June 17, 2000 - Pan, RIAA Updates Don't worry, we're not dead! We've been hacking away on the new version of Pan, which will be released next week. Also, the FAQ has been updated. There is still no court date yet for RIAA vs. SuperPimpSoft. Andover's lawyers -- thanks again to Andover for giving us pro bono legal aid -- have renewed negotiations with the RIAA, so there may be a happy ending to this after all. In other news, it looks like we've hit the Big Time: we're now a blip on the radar of Metallica's Lars Ulrich, who recently said ``...those [people] at Napster, Gnutella, and SuperPimpSoft ought to be in jail.'' Who said Usenet was dead? :) May 17, 2000 - RIAA Demands Decoder be Removed from Pan As reported on this page, SuperPimpSoft has been in negotiations with the RIAA to settle their lawsuit out of court. The RIAA's complaint is that Pan's article attachment decoder could be used to decode copyrighted mp3. These negotiations have fallen through. The RIAA's final offer is that they will drop the suit only if we unbundle Pan's attachment decoder from the newsreader. SuperPimpSoft is unwilling to do this: the attachment decoder is seamlessly integrated into Pan and cannot be removed. It's in defense of the right to innovate on behalf of consumers that SuperPimpSoft has made the painful decision to endure a lawsuit. We simply don't think the RIAA should be involved in product design. Our decision to stand by our principles would not have been financially possible without the help of Andover, which has generously pledged the support of their lawyers. (These are the same lawyers working with Slashdot on the Slashdot/MS/Kerberos imbroglio.) Thank You! We'll post court dates as soon as we have them. See you in court! Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 23 18:01:09 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? I'm hoping to harness a few (half dozen) 486 to see if I can't do a mini-Beowulf cluster. I would be pickled tink if I can do some computational fluid dynamics faster than the easy to get at machines at the U. (I'm not trying to compete with the supercomputing facility.) Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Oct 23 18:21:32 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm hoping to harness a few (half dozen) 486 to see if I can't do a > mini-Beowulf cluster. I would be pickled tink if I can do some > computational fluid dynamics faster than the easy to get at machines at > the U. (I'm not trying to compete with the supercomputing facility.) OK, but I'm interested in seeing how many of those 486s you'd have to assemble before you can beat a PIII (at say 750MHz). Andy > > Cheers, > Phil M > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 23 12:39:37 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23061] TCLUG quickies Message-ID: <972322777.39f477d96d9b5@www.fandre.com> I have a few TCLUG announcements: 1. The TCLUG site now has the latest linux-kernel mailing list archives. There is a seach field on the TCLUG website. (middle on the right) BTW: If anyone has any old archives of the linux-kernel list, please let me know. We can incorporate these into the archive. 2. We now have a new ftp mirror, which includes RedHat, Debian, and Slackware. It is linked off the TCLUG website in the upper right corner. 3. I put a new poll on the web. Please take a second to fill it out because I am curious. 4. We don't have anything scheduled for next's months meeting yet. If you know someone who is willing to talk, let me know. Thanks. Clay cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Oct 23 19:03:00 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP In-Reply-To: <39F4506E.FE539ABE@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 09:51:26AM -0500 References: <39F4506E.FE539ABE@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001023190300.A5836@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 09:51:26AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: >What type of network card are you working with? I remember that my network >card didn't work in the debian installer if I had booted into windows before >installing Debian (this was with an ne2k-pci) Also make sure Plau-and-pray OS is set to NO in the bios. This causes the bios to initialize all hardware (or some such) instead of expecting linux to do it since it doesn't always work. :-) > >If I didn't start windows (powered down and botted windows safe mode command >prompt only, or booted from floppy/cd) everything worked fine. > >>From the sound of it you aren't loading the correct network driver, or there >is an issue with your network driver. > >-- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 >21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 >Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Oct 23 19:04:41 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23061] TCLUG quickies In-Reply-To: <972322777.39f477d96d9b5@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:39:37PM -0500 References: <972322777.39f477d96d9b5@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001023190441.B5836@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:39:37PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >4. We don't have anything scheduled for next's months meeting yet. If you know >someone who is willing to talk, let me know. > Clay and group, sistina would like to do a proper demo of GFS in action. I am prepared to rool my mini cluster over and what-not. Lemme know if you are up for it. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Oct 23 19:05:22 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat In-Reply-To: <972322641.39f47751b4685@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:37:21PM -0500 References: <972322641.39f47751b4685@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001023190522.C5836@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:37:21PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, >copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not >found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > >There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, >but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? I have a set of boot floppies that will let you do just that :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 23 19:46:49 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > OK, but I'm interested in seeing how many of those 486s you'd have to > assemble before you can beat a PIII (at say 750MHz). That's kind of what I want to see too. I'm hypothesizing that it depends heavily on the particular problem -- I bet not too many for problems that lend themselves to parallelism kind of a thing. Given that the "To Do List" seems to grow exponentially from the middle, I hope it makes it to the top. BTW, are their any LUGers with experience doing a Beowulf? Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brandon at rhinoventures.com Mon Oct 23 20:19:43 2000 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23096] RE: Qworst.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <39F49D5F.32493.48BC82@localhost> On 23 Oct 2000, at 8:50, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://www.uswestsucks.net has a message board where people post their > stories. ...I'm still waiting for my phone books. :-( Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Oct 23 22:00:45 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23061] TCLUG quickies In-Reply-To: <20001023190441.B5836@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:39:37PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > >4. We don't have anything scheduled for next's months meeting yet. If you know > >someone who is willing to talk, let me know. > > > Clay and group, sistina would like to do a proper demo of GFS in action. I am > prepared to rool my mini cluster over and what-not. Lemme know if you are up ^^^^ Ben, is that supposed to be rule, roll, or drool? And will you be giving out, on behalf of Sistina, free T-shirts, baseball caps, bootable CDs, pens, or penguins? Andy > for it. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Oct 23 22:58:19 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23061] TCLUG quickies In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:00:45PM -0500 References: <20001023190441.B5836@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20001023225819.B763@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:00:45PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:39:37PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >4. We don't have anything scheduled for next's months meeting yet. If you know >> >someone who is willing to talk, let me know. >> > >> Clay and group, sistina would like to do a proper demo of GFS in action. I am >> prepared to rool my mini cluster over and what-not. Lemme know if you are up > ^^^^ >Ben, is that supposed to be rule, roll, or drool? Roll. >And will you be giving out, on behalf of Sistina, free T-shirts, baseball >caps, bootable CDs, pens, or penguins? Bootable cd's would be kinda dumb since we don't sell any OS's. Might be able to manage something else though. Maybe a bunch of useless windows(tm) cds. >Andy > >> for it. >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Tue Oct 24 07:43:14 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used them as voicemail boxes, and simple controllers for electronics (see the Coffee-HOWTO). Timothy On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > A 486DX4100 with 32MB of ram can spit out 2 million emails a day using qmail > (http://cr.yp.to). > > Firewall. > > 10/100 ethernet switch. (buy a couple of the 4 port intel Etherexpress > cards for it and load the linux router project on it) > > Doorstop. > > A diskless Xterminal for your coffee table which displays data from your > main workstation in your bedroom. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Opp [mailto:cop7586@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Tue Oct 24 07:53:40 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: <39F4BF9C.52EC950C@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: Hiya. Have you tried this? What kind of cable did you use and how long did it take before it broke? :) The longest I've ever tried is a 45 foot chain of serial cables ;). Not recommended... Timothy On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and > put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup > device... > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 24 07:57:41 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23101] Debian install woes (cont.) Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm still hitting the wall getting Debian installed on my new system. I'm trying to do a network install, but I keep running into trouble configuring the network. Here's a recap of what I've tried: * I've tried using DHCP on three different networks: a cable modem, and two different subnets at school. * I've tried three different NICs: a TrendNet card using the tulip chipset, a TrendNet card using the RealTek driver, and an EtherExpressPro/100 card. All have exactly the same problem. * I downloaded a network boot disk for Mandrake 7.1 to see if it was a Debian problem. I selected DHCP for configuring the network and got: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable" * I've tried the most recent Debian boot floppies and also a handy CD-ROM that I got from that meathead Ben. :-) * Everything works fine in Win98. * I downloaded and installed Storm Linux 2000 from an iso without a hitch. I'd didn't get around to configuring the network though. I'd try my bootable business card, but I've got a 48x CD-ROM drive and I don't want to send the CD spinning out of control. System details: * Asus A7V m/b with 800 MHz Athlon * 30 GB IBM ATA-100 disk (plugged into slower IDE port until I get the ATA-100 kernel patch installed) * TrendNet NIC (DEC 21140 chipset) * Matrox G400 video * USR PCI modem (hardware, not winmodem) * Creative Live! soundcard I'd appreciate any advice on this. I'm not sure what to try next. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 24 08:27:19 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23102] Car mp3 player Message-ID: <20001024082719.A8500@sorry.cs.umn.edu> For those of you looking for an affordable car mp3 player: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=205-3735 It doesn't come with a drive, but even if you have to buy a drive, it's still half the price of that other player someone pointed out. Anyone on the list ever used one of these NEO's? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "What's the big sleep, Ren?" "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 24 08:45:43 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F59287.D7B4F20D@structural-wood.com> Timothy Houck wrote: 500 feet of 10base2 coax, running at 10Mbs. Once I had grounded the ends I have had virtually no transmission errors. I'm doing this at work. I have a lot of excess old hardware and I just wired this up for kicks. Now it contributes greatly to my piece of mind (the box is out in the maintenance shed, 500 feet away from the main building), and yes it is in a locked area, and yes, I do check to make sure it is pingable, although I haven't physically looked at it for more than 6 months. Too fun, Kent > > Hiya. > > Have you tried this? What kind of cable did you use and how long did it > take before it broke? :) > > The longest I've ever tried is a 45 foot chain of serial cables ;). Not > recommended... > > Timothy > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and > > put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup > > device... > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > > > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Tue Oct 24 08:51:51 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23101] Debian install woes (cont.) References: Message-ID: <39F593F7.1BEB3119@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm still hitting the wall getting Debian installed on my new > system. I'm trying to do a network install, but I keep running into > trouble configuring the network. Here's a recap of what I've tried: > > * I've tried using DHCP on three different networks: a cable modem, and two > different subnets at school. > > * I've tried three different NICs: a TrendNet card using the tulip chipset, > a TrendNet card using the RealTek driver, and an EtherExpressPro/100 > card. All have exactly the same problem. > > * I downloaded a network boot disk for Mandrake 7.1 to see if it was a > Debian problem. I selected DHCP for configuring the network and got: > > "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable" > I'd try my bootable business card, but I've got a 48x CD-ROM drive and I > don't want to send the CD spinning out of control. > Can you burn the BBC image on a regular-size CD? Does a static IP work? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 24 09:19:29 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP In-Reply-To: <20001023190300.A5836@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Also make sure Plau-and-pray OS is set to NO in the bios. This causes the bios > to initialize all hardware (or some such) instead of expecting linux to do it > since it doesn't always work. :-) I forgot to try this this morning. I'll give it a go later. I must say, however, that I've never really had to screw around with this setting before. What will happen to Windows (it's dual-boot) if I set plug-and-play to "OFF" in the BIOS? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rydianb at hotmail.com Tue Oct 24 09:29:56 2000 From: rydianb at hotmail.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23089] sad day for decoding freedom References: <20001023175956.J7189@real-time.com> Message-ID: Perhaps you should check out section 1.5 of their FAQ. Or you could follow the link about the "strongly worded 89 page ruling" from Oct 11, 2000. http://www.superpimp.org/faq.html#General4 Ryan Bethke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: [TCLUG:23089] sad day for decoding freedom > this is from the Pan newsreader's home page (www.superpimp.org). > for some background; the original lawsuit was over Pan's inclusion of code > to decode binaries (just like almost every other newsreader..). > for clarity, I included some historical news items. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 24 09:29:47 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23030] Debian install trouble w/ DHCP References: Message-ID: <39F59CDB.58A063D7@ltiflex.com> > > What will happen to Windows (it's dual-boot) if I set plug-and-play to > "OFF" in the BIOS? > Well, it just might listen to what your BIOS is telling it about hardware. Windows might shuffle a few devices around, but beyond that, nothing. Are you going from windows to installer, or have you shut down your system then booted from the install media. If you haven't yet, try powering off your system and going directly to the installer (no windows, no dos.) Don't just reboot, turn the system off. (Do this espically if you tweak the PnP settings in your BIOS as we're allready having issues with a device that seems to have been initlized in a wacky way.) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Oct 24 09:51:06 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23102] Car mp3 player In-Reply-To: <20001024082719.A8500@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: never used the NEO.. it looks to me like a normal IDE drive sled, modified into a mp3 player.. interesting idea.. tho i have no idea what the quality of the unit is like. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > For those of you looking for an affordable car mp3 player: > > http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=205-3735 > > It doesn't come with a drive, but even if you have to buy a drive, it's > still half the price of that other player someone pointed out. Anyone on > the list ever used one of these NEO's? > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "What's the big sleep, Ren?" > "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" > - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Tue Oct 24 09:58:12 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: <39F59287.D7B4F20D@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: Kent, Nice! Great idea. I've always thought about designing a physically-secure linux box in an enclosed safe. There would only be an ethernet cable sticking out. The only problem is heat buildup... I'd need some kind of refrigeration. Ideas? Timothy On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Timothy Houck wrote: > 500 feet of 10base2 coax, running at 10Mbs. Once I had grounded the > ends I have had virtually no transmission errors. > > I'm doing this at work. I have a lot of excess old hardware and > I just wired this up for kicks. Now it contributes greatly to my piece of > mind (the box is out in the maintenance shed, 500 feet away from the main > building), and yes it is in a locked area, and yes, I do check to make sure > it is pingable, although I haven't physically looked at it for more than > 6 months. > > Too fun, > Kent > > > > > > > Hiya. > > > > Have you tried this? What kind of cable did you use and how long did it > > take before it broke? :) > > > > The longest I've ever tried is a 45 foot chain of serial cables ;). Not > > recommended... > > > > Timothy > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and > > > put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup > > > device... > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > > > > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > > > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > > > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Timothy Houck > > thouck@thouck.com > > www.thouck.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Kent Schumacher > > Structural Wood Corporation > 4000 Labore Rd. > St. Paul, MN 55110 > > Phone: (651) 426-8111 > Fax: (651) 426-6859 > e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 24 10:28:51 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23089] sad day for decoding freedom In-Reply-To: ; from rydianb@hotmail.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:29:56AM -0500 References: <20001023175956.J7189@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001024102851.K7189@real-time.com> > Perhaps you should check out section 1.5 of their FAQ. > Or you could follow the link about the "strongly worded 89 page ruling" from > Oct 11, 2000. > http://www.superpimp.org/faq.html#General4 whoops. my bad. somehow it smelled like a hoax, but did I listen to myself and check my facts, noooo... I ought to go into journalism. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 24 10:31:55 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server Message-ID: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com> Well, I finially got to play with this little Netgear printserver I picked up. All I can say is, neat! It supports LPR, SMB, and Netware (all at the same time no less.) and two physical printers (8 logical printers, each printer can have 4 different profiles.) The thing has a embedded SMB server, so when you connect to it via SMB, you'll see two printers, P1 and P2. I don't have a need for logical printers, but I assue they would show up as well. If the printer hanging off this thing worked in Linux I would have tried it out, but alas, no such luck. Netgear has a script (you can get it from their website or the included CD) As with other Netgear devices it is a heavy duty device. There is windows software included to configure the server, but the windows software is really just a front end. The printserver is configured by ftp! Ftp to the server, get CONFIG, edit the confing file, and put CONFIG. Restart the print server and you new config takes effect. Slick. There aren't many configuration issue to worry about though, the only thing I changed is the name of the print server to make it easier to remember. It configured it network settings via DHCP. (you can also upe arp or bootp...) If you don't have an automatic configuration server, you'll have to use the windows software to configure the IP address via IPX. At about half the price of an external HP JetDirect server, this thing seems to be well worth it. I hope it eliminates a few printing headaches. I have the PS110 model, there is another modle that combines the print server with a 4-port hub should you find that useful. Ok, off to see what the autogenerated printcap looks like... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 24 10:37:39 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server In-Reply-To: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:31:55AM -0500 References: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001024103739.B24597@ringworld.org> > out, but alas, no such luck. Netgear has a script (you can get it from their > website or the included CD) No linux? what? It looked like it could do it fine. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The printer I'm dealing with doesn't have any Ghostscript drivers though. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 24 10:58:28 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server References: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39F5B1A3.FA77D750@innominatus.com> www.egghead.com there are a couple of inexpensive print servers. They are both from Hawking. One is a single port and the other is a 3 port. Both support, Windows, Unix, Appletalk, and Netware printing. They are SNMP, TFTP, and HTTP managable. The single port is $70, and the 3 port is $120. They work very nicely. I just set it up for DHCP, and put its MAC addr in my DHCP server for a reserved address and bingo. No more, "Could you turn your computer on so I can print", bull crud. Single Port http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000211/03420552.htm 3 Port http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000211/03420555.htm Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Well, I finially got to play with this little Netgear printserver I picked > up. All I can say is, neat! It supports LPR, SMB, and Netware (all at the > same time no less.) and two physical printers (8 logical printers, each > printer can have 4 different profiles.) > > The thing has a embedded SMB server, so when you connect to it via SMB, > you'll see two printers, P1 and P2. I don't have a need for logical > printers, but I assue they would show up as well. > > If the printer hanging off this thing worked in Linux I would have tried it > out, but alas, no such luck. Netgear has a script (you can get it from their > website or the included CD) > > As with other Netgear devices it is a heavy duty device. > > There is windows software included to configure the server, but the windows > software is really just a front end. The printserver is configured by ftp! > Ftp to the server, get CONFIG, edit the confing file, and put CONFIG. > Restart the print server and you new config takes effect. Slick. > > There aren't many configuration issue to worry about though, the only thing > I changed is the name of the print server to make it easier to remember. It > configured it network settings via DHCP. (you can also upe arp or bootp...) > If you don't have an automatic configuration server, you'll have to use the > windows software to configure the IP address via IPX. > > At about half the price of an external HP JetDirect server, this thing seems > to be well worth it. I hope it eliminates a few printing headaches. I have > the PS110 model, there is another modle that combines the print server with > a 4-port hub should you find that useful. > > Ok, off to see what the autogenerated printcap looks like... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Oct 24 10:50:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server In-Reply-To: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:31:55AM -0500 References: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001024105041.C8500@sorry.cs.umn.edu> So, how do you upgrade the SMB server on it? Or install a new version of LPR (for example - I doubt a new lpr version would come out anytime soon, if ever). Gabe On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:31:55AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Well, I finially got to play with this little Netgear printserver I picked > up. All I can say is, neat! It supports LPR, SMB, and Netware (all at the > same time no less.) and two physical printers (8 logical printers, each > printer can have 4 different profiles.) > > The thing has a embedded SMB server, so when you connect to it via SMB, > you'll see two printers, P1 and P2. I don't have a need for logical > printers, but I assue they would show up as well. > > If the printer hanging off this thing worked in Linux I would have tried it > out, but alas, no such luck. Netgear has a script (you can get it from their > website or the included CD) > > As with other Netgear devices it is a heavy duty device. > > There is windows software included to configure the server, but the windows > software is really just a front end. The printserver is configured by ftp! > Ftp to the server, get CONFIG, edit the confing file, and put CONFIG. > Restart the print server and you new config takes effect. Slick. > > There aren't many configuration issue to worry about though, the only thing > I changed is the name of the print server to make it easier to remember. It > configured it network settings via DHCP. (you can also upe arp or bootp...) > If you don't have an automatic configuration server, you'll have to use the > windows software to configure the IP address via IPX. > > At about half the price of an external HP JetDirect server, this thing seems > to be well worth it. I hope it eliminates a few printing headaches. I have > the PS110 model, there is another modle that combines the print server with > a 4-port hub should you find that useful. > > Ok, off to see what the autogenerated printcap looks like... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "What's the big sleep, Ren?" "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Oct 24 11:45:39 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server References: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com> <20001024105041.C8500@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39F5BCB3.A281B23A@ltiflex.com> > > So, how do you upgrade the SMB server on it? Or install a new version of > LPR (for example - I doubt a new lpr version would come out anytime soon, > if ever). > Probally just have to upload the firmware via ftp to the server. You can get the firmware from www.netgear.com. This is an embedded device, so who knows what it's actually running. It talks lpr and smb. > No more "Could you turn your computer on so I can print", bull crud. That's the general idea, except this is to remedy the fact that windows (on the computer sharing the printer) crashed everytime someone printed to the shared printer. It was fun, really it was... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Oct 24 10:59:20 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F5B1D8.71C4E39@usfamily.net> An Old refrigirator??? Timothy Houck wrote: > Kent, > > Nice! Great idea. I've always thought about designing a > physically-secure linux box in an enclosed safe. There would only be an > ethernet cable sticking out. The only problem is heat buildup... I'd need > some kind of refrigeration. Ideas? > > Timothy > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Timothy Houck wrote: > > 500 feet of 10base2 coax, running at 10Mbs. Once I had grounded the > > ends I have had virtually no transmission errors. > > > > I'm doing this at work. I have a lot of excess old hardware and > > I just wired this up for kicks. Now it contributes greatly to my piece of > > mind (the box is out in the maintenance shed, 500 feet away from the main > > building), and yes it is in a locked area, and yes, I do check to make sure > > it is pingable, although I haven't physically looked at it for more than > > 6 months. > > > > Too fun, > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiya. > > > > > > Have you tried this? What kind of cable did you use and how long did it > > > take before it broke? :) > > > > > > The longest I've ever tried is a 45 foot chain of serial cables ;). Not > > > recommended... > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > > > Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and > > > > put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup > > > > device... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > > > > > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > > > > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > > > > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Timothy Houck > > > thouck@thouck.com > > > www.thouck.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Kent Schumacher > > > > Structural Wood Corporation > > 4000 Labore Rd. > > St. Paul, MN 55110 > > > > Phone: (651) 426-8111 > > Fax: (651) 426-6859 > > e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Tue Oct 24 12:02:01 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: <39F5B1D8.71C4E39@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Mmkay. I was hoping for something a little less obvious. :) Condensation is an issue with freon and other such coolants, and I can't have vents on a safe... :) Would condensation be an issue if the inside of the safe was pressurized? What about solid coolants? The safe itself is metal... I could set up a system of heat dissipation into the wall of the safe itself, and rely on something to keep the safe walls cool... Timothy On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > An Old refrigirator??? > > Timothy Houck wrote: > > > Kent, > > > > Nice! Great idea. I've always thought about designing a > > physically-secure linux box in an enclosed safe. There would only be an > > ethernet cable sticking out. The only problem is heat buildup... I'd need > > some kind of refrigeration. Ideas? > > > > Timothy > > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > Timothy Houck wrote: > > > 500 feet of 10base2 coax, running at 10Mbs. Once I had grounded the > > > ends I have had virtually no transmission errors. > > > > > > I'm doing this at work. I have a lot of excess old hardware and > > > I just wired this up for kicks. Now it contributes greatly to my piece of > > > mind (the box is out in the maintenance shed, 500 feet away from the main > > > building), and yes it is in a locked area, and yes, I do check to make sure > > > it is pingable, although I haven't physically looked at it for more than > > > 6 months. > > > > > > Too fun, > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiya. > > > > > > > > Have you tried this? What kind of cable did you use and how long did it > > > > take before it broke? :) > > > > > > > > The longest I've ever tried is a 45 foot chain of serial cables ;). Not > > > > recommended... > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > > > > > Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and > > > > > put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup > > > > > device... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > > > > > > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > > > > > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > > > > > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Timothy Houck > > > > thouck@thouck.com > > > > www.thouck.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > Kent Schumacher > > > > > > Structural Wood Corporation > > > 4000 Labore Rd. > > > St. Paul, MN 55110 > > > > > > Phone: (651) 426-8111 > > > Fax: (651) 426-6859 > > > e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Timothy Houck > > thouck@thouck.com > > www.thouck.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. > > Andrew Nemchenko > > E-mail: drew@usfamily.net > Work: 952-932-4081 > Home: 651-681-8572 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Oct 24 12:15:45 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F5C3C1.5C29851A@innominatus.com> Put a couple peltier coolers on the safe. :) Timothy Houck wrote: > Mmkay. I was hoping for something a little less obvious. :) > > Condensation is an issue with freon and other such coolants, and I can't > have vents on a safe... :) > > Would condensation be an issue if the inside of the safe was pressurized? > > What about solid coolants? The safe itself is metal... I could set up a > system of heat dissipation into the wall of the safe itself, and rely on > something to keep the safe walls cool... > > Timothy > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > An Old refrigirator??? > > > > Timothy Houck wrote: > > > > > Kent, > > > > > > Nice! Great idea. I've always thought about designing a > > > physically-secure linux box in an enclosed safe. There would only be an > > > ethernet cable sticking out. The only problem is heat buildup... I'd need > > > some kind of refrigeration. Ideas? > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > > > Timothy Houck wrote: > > > > 500 feet of 10base2 coax, running at 10Mbs. Once I had grounded the > > > > ends I have had virtually no transmission errors. > > > > > > > > I'm doing this at work. I have a lot of excess old hardware and > > > > I just wired this up for kicks. Now it contributes greatly to my piece of > > > > mind (the box is out in the maintenance shed, 500 feet away from the main > > > > building), and yes it is in a locked area, and yes, I do check to make sure > > > > it is pingable, although I haven't physically looked at it for more than > > > > 6 months. > > > > > > > > Too fun, > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiya. > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried this? What kind of cable did you use and how long did it > > > > > take before it broke? :) > > > > > > > > > > The longest I've ever tried is a 45 foot chain of serial cables ;). Not > > > > > recommended... > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Go pick up a 40 Gb hard drive, a network card, and a lot of cable and > > > > > > put the '486 out in the neighbors garage for an offsite automated backup > > > > > > device... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we use older linux boxes for file servers, or simple stuff like network > > > > > > > monitoring.. DNS, DHCP, MRTG.. and a few other things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > > > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > > > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > > > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinds of things can be done using Linux on old PCs, (i.e. 486, Pentium > > > > > > > > 100, etc)? I am already aware that you can use an older 486 to make a router > > > > > > > > out of it, but what other creative things can be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Opp > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Timothy Houck > > > > > thouck@thouck.com > > > > > www.thouck.com > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kent Schumacher > > > > > > > > Structural Wood Corporation > > > > 4000 Labore Rd. > > > > St. Paul, MN 55110 > > > > > > > > Phone: (651) 426-8111 > > > > Fax: (651) 426-6859 > > > > e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Timothy Houck > > > thouck@thouck.com > > > www.thouck.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. > > > > Andrew Nemchenko > > > > E-mail: drew@usfamily.net > > Work: 952-932-4081 > > Home: 651-681-8572 > > Pager: 612-264-1737 > > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Oct 24 13:20:15 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: ; from thouck@thouck.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:02:01AM -0700 References: <39F5B1D8.71C4E39@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20001024132014.B359@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:02:01AM -0700, Timothy Houck wrote: > Mmkay. I was hoping for something a little less obvious. :) > > Condensation is an issue with freon and other such coolants, and I can't > have vents on a safe... :) > > Would condensation be an issue if the inside of the safe was pressurized? > > What about solid coolants? The safe itself is metal... I could set up a > system of heat dissipation into the wall of the safe itself, and rely on > something to keep the safe walls cool... Well, is this still a 486 we're talking about? If so you might be able to get away with passive cooling if the safe is big enough. Or better yet make a thermal connection between the motherboard and and safe, and make the safe one big heat sink. Of course, if you did it badly you might have to worry about static discharges to the safe ;) -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Tue Oct 24 13:29:55 2000 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 Message-ID: <000f01c03de8$68e0bdc0$2f01000a@morganhunter.com> I am trying to install Redhat 7 on a Dell PowerEdge 1300 with a perc2/sc raid controller. Unfortunately Redhat does not ship with drivers for this raid controller I have looked at Dells support site and they only have the drivers for the 2.2.14 kernel I have also checked the AMI site but no luck there either. As popular of a server as the Dell PowerEdge servers are I would think that someone else would have ran into this before. PLEASE HELP!!! Thank you, Forrest Dickinson Systems Administrator Morgan Hunter Companies fdickinson@morganhunter.com From pope at ossuary.net Tue Oct 24 13:33:28 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 In-Reply-To: <000f01c03de8$68e0bdc0$2f01000a@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: The 2.2.14 drivers won't work with the 2.2.x kernel in RH? Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Tue Oct 24 14:16:27 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? In-Reply-To: <20001024132014.B359@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Good point. Doesn't anyone know if enclosing a 486 in a sealed safe would cause it to overheat over a reasonable time? If not, it's possible to cut off power to the unit every so often to let it recover. On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Jim Crumley wrote: > Well, is this still a 486 we're talking about? If so you > might be able to get away with passive cooling if the > safe is big enough. Or better yet make a thermal connection > between the motherboard and and safe, and make the safe one > big heat sink. Of course, if you did it badly you might > have to worry about static discharges to the safe ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Oct 24 14:31:33 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F5E395.B5F00056@citilink.com> I've seen quite a few 486's with plugged heatsink fans and plugged powersupply fans while working on data collection units for the DOT. They ran fine. Not quite a sealed environment, but zero airflow. Try it and find out. Chris Gahlon Timothy Houck wrote: > Good point. Doesn't anyone know if enclosing a 486 in a sealed safe would > cause it to overheat over a reasonable time? If not, it's possible to cut > off power to the unit every so often to let it recover. > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > Well, is this still a 486 we're talking about? If so you > > might be able to get away with passive cooling if the > > safe is big enough. Or better yet make a thermal connection > > between the motherboard and and safe, and make the safe one > > big heat sink. Of course, if you did it badly you might > > have to worry about static discharges to the safe ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Tue Oct 24 15:56:28 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23125] mandrake 7.2beta and MandrakeUpdate Message-ID: Does anyone know if I install Mandrake 7.2beta 2 if I can run MandrakeUpdate to get the non-beta version when it comes out, or will I have to burn a cd and make a boot disk, to an "upgrade", etc, etc? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From btpier at visi.com Tue Oct 24 17:12:10 2000 From: btpier at visi.com (Bryce T. Pier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server In-Reply-To: <39F5AB6B.93AB0345@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <001a01c03e07$756dd7c0$6400000a@tarenth> Another cool print server that I use at work is the Milan(Digi) 3410X. They cost about $140 and just have 1 parallel port and and ethernet port. It does LPR, Appletalk, Novell, SMB, and a couple of other protocols all at the same time. You set it up through telnet. They take about 5 min each to install. Great boxes. -- Bryce T. Pier SysAdmin btpier@visi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: andyzb@ltiflex.com [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:32 AM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [TCLUG:23111] [OT] Netgear Print Server > > > Well, I finially got to play with this little Netgear > printserver I picked > up. All I can say is, neat! It supports LPR, SMB, and Netware > (all at the > same time no less.) and two physical printers (8 logical > printers, each > printer can have 4 different profiles.) > > The thing has a embedded SMB server, so when you connect to > it via SMB, > you'll see two printers, P1 and P2. I don't have a need for logical > printers, but I assue they would show up as well. > > If the printer hanging off this thing worked in Linux I would > have tried it > out, but alas, no such luck. Netgear has a script (you can > get it from their > website or the included CD) > > As with other Netgear devices it is a heavy duty device. > > There is windows software included to configure the server, > but the windows > software is really just a front end. The printserver is > configured by ftp! > Ftp to the server, get CONFIG, edit the confing file, and put CONFIG. > Restart the print server and you new config takes effect. Slick. > > There aren't many configuration issue to worry about though, > the only thing > I changed is the name of the print server to make it easier > to remember. It > configured it network settings via DHCP. (you can also upe > arp or bootp...) > If you don't have an automatic configuration server, you'll > have to use the > windows software to configure the IP address via IPX. > > At about half the price of an external HP JetDirect server, > this thing seems > to be well worth it. I hope it eliminates a few printing > headaches. I have > the PS110 model, there is another modle that combines the > print server with > a 4-port hub should you find that useful. > > Ok, off to see what the autogenerated printcap looks like... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 24 21:51:42 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: Message-ID: <010001c03e2e$819fb8c0$0100a8c0@cascade> You can use option "notail" mount -o notail -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 / Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kochie" To: "TCLUG List" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > hrmm.. last i checked.. you had to boot reiser / with an ext2 /boot > partition for the kernel, and maybe init.. (you can keep it mounted ro) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, > > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: auto: not > > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs homepage, > > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Oct 24 21:52:32 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: Message-ID: <010701c03e2e$9f027510$0100a8c0@cascade> # mount -o notail -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 / # lilo # reboot Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > I tried making everything reiserfs, it didn't work. Kernel panic because it > can't read any of the partitions. It might work though if you could get > the initrd image with the reiserfs module in it. Haven't tried it yet. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:48 PM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > > > hrmm.. last i checked.. you had to boot reiser / with an ext2 /boot > partition for the kernel, and maybe init.. (you can keep it mounted ro) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser partition, > > > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: > auto: not > > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs > homepage, > > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 24 23:04:08 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23077] Creative uses for old PCs using Linux? References: Message-ID: <39F65BB8.FCE7752B@tcfreenet.org> > Would condensation be an issue if the inside of the safe was pressurized? Pressure raises the boiling point of water. It'd make it worse... > What about solid coolants? The safe itself is metal... I could set up a > system of heat dissipation into the wall of the safe itself, and rely on > something to keep the safe walls cool... Probably your best bet. Just make the safe out of aluminum, and build some kind of block to touch the wall to the CPU. A few peltiers wouldn't hurt... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 25 00:11:44 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 Message-ID: Redhat 7 uses a different glibc version, so most likely the module compiled with glibc 2.1 won't work with redhat 7's development version. Did you try the AMI megaraid driver? It works with the perc2/si. You might have to suck it up and load redhat 6.2. That's what I had to do with a few of their 2450's. It pisses me off too, they certify those servers "linux certified", but then ship some crappy proprietary driver with it and force you to load redhat 6.1 or 6.2. I've complained numerous times about it, but they could care less since we already bought the servers. I wish I would've bought the VA linux boxes like I originally wanted, they cost almost exactly the same for the exact same specs (except a Mylex RAID controller). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Scott [mailto:pope@ossuary.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:33 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 The 2.2.14 drivers won't work with the 2.2.x kernel in RH? Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 25 02:10:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 References: Message-ID: <39F68763.38D4E464@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Redhat 7 uses a different glibc version, so most likely the module compiled > with glibc 2.1 won't work with redhat 7's development version. Kernel modules have nothing to do with glibc. I've not had any problems with glibc myself. Though getting a libc5 binary running was an interesting adventure... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Oct 25 02:14:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: <010001c03e2e$819fb8c0$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <39F68870.ED455928@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > You can use option "notail" > > mount -o notail -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 / Has anyone gotten this to work? I've had no luck with it. It'll boot, but it'll just display LIL, skip the O, then go straight to Loading Linux... No chance to enter a command line, and no appends in the lilo config get appended. Not a good thing. Reiserfs started kernel panicing on my firewall, so I had an excuse to go back to e2fs... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 25 04:22:47 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 Message-ID: I read somewhere that trying to use a kernel module that was compiled against one version of glibc on a kernel that was compiled against a different version would not work at all. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:10 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23121] RedHat 7 and Dell Poweredge 1300 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Redhat 7 uses a different glibc version, so most likely the module compiled > with glibc 2.1 won't work with redhat 7's development version. Kernel modules have nothing to do with glibc. I've not had any problems with glibc myself. Though getting a libc5 binary running was an interesting adventure... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 25 06:07:18 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: <010701c03e2e$9f027510$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <39F6BEE6.96393503@fandre.com> You only need the notail option if you have /boot a reiserfs partition. (Either included in / or as a reiserfs /boot). This is because lilo has problems with the holes in the files that reiserfs makes. Making a small ext2 /boot allows you to not use the notail option. http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt20000417_63.epl#10 Also if you're using GRUB, you don't need to do this. I found a cool website that explains how to install debian on a resierfs filesystem. It even has rescue, boot and driver images available. Worked like a charm for me. http://www.psouth.com/~jjk/projects/reiser-debian/?972472457 "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > # mount -o notail -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 / > # lilo > # reboot > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:38 PM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > > > I tried making everything reiserfs, it didn't work. Kernel panic because > it > > can't read any of the partitions. It might work though if you could get > > the initrd image with the reiserfs module in it. Haven't tried it yet. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:48 PM > > To: TCLUG List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > > > > > > hrmm.. last i checked.. you had to boot reiser / with an ext2 /boot > > partition for the kernel, and maybe init.. (you can keep it mounted ro) > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser > partition, > > > > > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: > > auto: not > > > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > > > > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs > > homepage, > > > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Oct 25 07:57:15 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23135] Mason Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EE0D@IPSERVER2> Anybody have the link to the website for Mason. I ran accross it awhile back and don't remember what it was. Also, anyone running it? Thanks |Ryan Ware | |Interplastic Corporation | |651-766-3820 | Your mouse has moved! You must reboot windows for these changes to take effect. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From JMiller2 at DainRauscher.com Wed Oct 25 08:21:34 2000 From: JMiller2 at DainRauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23136] Debian Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Debian 2.2. I am looking for the CD. I purchased a book recently but it had 2.1 version. John D. Miller Dain Rauscher Application Programming Voice: (612) 547-7573 Email: jmiller2@dainrauscher.com Worry often gives a small thing a large shadow. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Oct 25 08:49:35 2000 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23136] Debian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If ISO images of the CDs would be sufficient, take a look at www.linuxiso.org. Jeff On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Miller, John wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Debian 2.2. I am looking for the > CD. I purchased a book recently but it had 2.1 version. > > John D. Miller > Dain Rauscher > Application Programming > > Voice: (612) 547-7573 > Email: jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > Worry often gives a small thing a large shadow. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 09:14:06 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23135] Mason In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EE0D@IPSERVER2>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:57:15AM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EE0D@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <20001025091406.A15922@yahoo.com> http://freshmeat.net/projects/mason/?highlight=mason Freshmeat.net has listings for tons of opensource/linux apps. On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:57:15AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > Anybody have the link to the website for Mason. I ran accross it awhile > back and don't remember what it was. Also, anyone running it? > > Thanks > > |Ryan Ware | > |Interplastic Corporation | > |651-766-3820 | > > Your mouse has moved! > You must reboot windows for these > changes to take effect. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Oct 25 09:11:43 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23139] Ahh, 2.4 is fun! Message-ID: <20001025091143.D24597@ringworld.org> http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0010.0/0631.html Anyone running test9 should go reat that :) Basically, linux is getting facist tcpip and since people have mean firewalls, it screws us unless we set that bit to 0 :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Miller, John wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Debian 2.2. I am looking for the > CD. I purchased a book recently but it had 2.1 version. > > John D. Miller > Dain Rauscher > Application Programming > > Voice: (612) 547-7573 > Email: jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > Worry often gives a small thing a large shadow. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 25 09:57:07 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: <010001c03e2e$819fb8c0$0100a8c0@cascade> <39F68870.ED455928@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <001501c03e93$d8f67900$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> You need to put -notail in your /etc/fstab as well. I have personally built an entire system based upon reiserfs (via http://www.linuxfromscratch.org). It does work. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Callum Lerwick" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > You can use option "notail" > > > > mount -o notail -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 / > > Has anyone gotten this to work? I've had no luck with it. It'll boot, > but it'll just display LIL, skip the O, then go straight to Loading > Linux... > > No chance to enter a command line, and no appends in the lilo config get > appended. Not a good thing. Reiserfs started kernel panicing on my > firewall, so I had an excuse to go back to e2fs... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 25 10:00:10 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat References: <010701c03e2e$9f027510$0100a8c0@cascade> <39F6BEE6.96393503@fandre.com> Message-ID: <001c01c03e94$45ffd550$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Neat web site. He is wrong about the notail options. It works just fine. You need to mount the root partition with -notail and also change it in /etc/fstab. After you have mounted the root partition -notail, you run lilo. As long as your /etc/fstab is updated, you will boot just fine. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > You only need the notail option if you have /boot a reiserfs partition. > (Either included in / or as a reiserfs /boot). This is because lilo has > problems with the holes in the files that reiserfs makes. Making a small > ext2 /boot allows you to not use the notail option. > http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt20000417_63.epl#10 > > Also if you're using GRUB, you don't need to do this. > > I found a cool website that explains how to install debian on a resierfs > filesystem. It even has rescue, boot and driver images available. Worked > like a charm for me. > http://www.psouth.com/~jjk/projects/reiser-debian/?972472457 > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > # mount -o notail -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 / > > # lilo > > # reboot > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Austad, Jay" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:38 PM > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > > > > > I tried making everything reiserfs, it didn't work. Kernel panic because > > it > > > can't read any of the partitions. It might work though if you could get > > > the initrd image with the reiserfs module in it. Haven't tried it yet. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > > > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:48 PM > > > To: TCLUG List > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23060] Reiserfs as root partition on RedHat > > > > > > > > > hrmm.. last i checked.. you had to boot reiser / with an ext2 /boot > > > partition for the kernel, and maybe init.. (you can keep it mounted ro) > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone running ReiserFS as a root partition? I created a reiser > > partition, > > > > > > > copied over my /, and when I try to boot off of it all I get is "auto: > > > auto: not > > > > found" (or something like that) when it should be loading init. > > > > > > > > There used to be a how-to install debian on resierfs on the resierfs > > > homepage, > > > > but that site is no more. Anyone know where that is? > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 25 11:21:29 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23143] Debian install (solved) Message-ID: Hey everyone, Thanks for the help with my installation problem. It turned out that I had to turn off the "Plug and play OS" setting in the BIOS. It worked perfectly after that. Thanks. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Oct 25 13:02:39 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23144] Help with ISO image download Message-ID: <14839.8255.445000.432126@htc.honeywell.com> I wonder if anyone on the list can give me some advice about downloading ISO images to burn. Specifically, I am downloading the ISO image for redhat 6.2 on SPARC. I have downloaded this image both from linuxiso and from the tc-lug site. I have to download it on a Windows NT box, but have taken the precaution of downloading it both using Internet Exploder and using ftp from cygwin. No matter what I do, I consistently see the following checksum: 5edc291f205ed9ba67a50d877499d479 redhat-6.2-sparc.iso 5edc291f205ed9ba67a50d877499d479 zoot-sparc.iso Sadly, this does not agree with the advertised checksum: 98c28bb250a3ce6a923a3c3db3906b37 zoot-sparc.iso So, my question is the following: 1. Is there something about NT that is causing me to download inaccurately? That seems unlikely, since I get the same result using ftp through cygwin, where I could be sure that the copy was binary mode and that Microsoft wasn't doing something "helpful" they didn't tell me about. 2. Could this be a problem with md5sum on Windows NT (cygwin), so that the image is OK, but the checksum is computed in some deviant way? Thanks! R --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Oct 25 16:26:54 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23145] accessing newsgroup Message-ID: I don't have access to a newsgroup (nntp) server. What is the best (easiest) way to be able to use pan as my newsreader. Can I run some daemon that is easy to step up that will just forward nntp requests to the necessary server -- and let pan to use localhost? The less configuration the better. Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 25 16:46:22 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23145] accessing newsgroup In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 04:26:54PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20001025164622.M22179@real-time.com> > I don't have access to a newsgroup (nntp) server. What is the best > (easiest) way to be able to use pan as my newsreader. Can I run some > daemon that is easy to step up that will just forward nntp requests to the > necessary server -- and let pan to use localhost? The less configuration > the better. do you mean that you want to set up your own news server? if you don't have access to a news server, how will your proxy get to one? leafnode may be what you're looking for. it's a one-way NNTP server (it acts like a news server to the clients; but is a client to the main news server itself). it will dynamically subscribe/unsubscribe from groups, based on whether or not you access them. check freshmeat for URLs. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Oct 25 16:54:36 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23145] accessing newsgroup In-Reply-To: <20001025164622.M22179@real-time.com> Message-ID: I've used Leafnode at home - very easy to setup and very efficient. But you still need a news server for it to feed from. You'll have to try and find one of the freebies, but they're becoming scarce because spammers are [ab]*using them. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I don't have access to a newsgroup (nntp) server. What is the best > > (easiest) way to be able to use pan as my newsreader. Can I run some > > daemon that is easy to step up that will just forward nntp requests to the > > necessary server -- and let pan to use localhost? The less configuration > > the better. > > do you mean that you want to set up your own news server? if you don't have > access to a news server, how will your proxy get to one? > > leafnode may be what you're looking for. it's a one-way NNTP server (it acts > like a news server to the clients; but is a client to the main news server > itself). it will dynamically subscribe/unsubscribe from groups, based on > whether or not you access them. > check freshmeat for URLs. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Oct 25 17:02:39 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23145] accessing newsgroup References: Message-ID: <39F7587F.33137D03@innominatus.com> I have a membership with supernews.com. I think its about $15 a month. Adam Maloney wrote: > I've used Leafnode at home - very easy to setup and very efficient. But > you still need a news server for it to feed from. You'll have to try and > find one of the freebies, but they're becoming scarce because spammers are > [ab]*using them. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > I don't have access to a newsgroup (nntp) server. What is the best > > > (easiest) way to be able to use pan as my newsreader. Can I run some > > > daemon that is easy to step up that will just forward nntp requests to the > > > necessary server -- and let pan to use localhost? The less configuration > > > the better. > > > > do you mean that you want to set up your own news server? if you don't have > > access to a news server, how will your proxy get to one? > > > > leafnode may be what you're looking for. it's a one-way NNTP server (it acts > > like a news server to the clients; but is a client to the main news server > > itself). it will dynamically subscribe/unsubscribe from groups, based on > > whether or not you access them. > > check freshmeat for URLs. > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Oct 25 17:28:19 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23135] Mason In-Reply-To: Tim Sandquist's message of "Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:14:06 -0500" References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EE0D@IPSERVER2> <20001025091406.A15922@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:57:15AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > Anybody have the link to the website for Mason. I ran accross it awhile > back and don't remember what it was. Also, anyone running it? The Twin Cities FreeNet is starting to run it. http://tcfreenet.org. I'm not sure how available it is to regular users yet. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 25 18:45:16 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23150] Running out of shared memory on a 2.2.17 kernel Message-ID: <20001025184516.V4240@real-time.com> I keep running out of shared memory under 2.2.17. With 2.3 or above the mount -t shm works great. Looking through the docs, it looks like I have to recompile the kernel when you need more shared memory segments under 2.2.x Anyone confirm/deny? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 25 20:56:01 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23150] Running out of shared memory on a 2.2.17 kernel In-Reply-To: <20001025184516.V4240@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > I keep running out of shared memory under 2.2.17. > > With 2.3 or above the mount -t shm works great. > > Looking through the docs, it looks like I have to recompile the kernel when you > need more shared memory segments under 2.2.x > > Anyone confirm/deny? This the same as file descriptors? echo 8192 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max echo 24576 > /proc/sys/fs/inode-max -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 26 10:31:31 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EE0D@IPSERVER2> <20001025091406.A15922@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39F84E52.3C9E027F@usfamily.net> Well I'm sure that this question has been asked thousands of times before but I will ask it again. I want to get Red Hat 7.0 installed. And all I have at my disposal is a fast internet connection. Solutions? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 26 10:32:43 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: <39F84E52.3C9E027F@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:31:31AM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EE0D@IPSERVER2> <20001025091406.A15922@yahoo.com> <39F84E52.3C9E027F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20001026103243.A13500@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Download the boot floppy(ies) and do an ftp install. Gbae On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:31:31AM -0500, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > Well I'm sure that this question has been asked thousands of times before but I > will ask it again. I want to get Red Hat 7.0 installed. And all I have at my > disposal is a fast internet connection. Solutions? > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 26 10:38:18 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: <39F84E52.3C9E027F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Well I'm sure that this question has been asked thousands of times before but I > will ask it again. I want to get Red Hat 7.0 installed. And all I have at my > disposal is a fast internet connection. Solutions? Hmmm... download the Debian boot floppies, boot, install, and screw redhat. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 26 10:43:48 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: Message-ID: <39F85134.B145FB5C@usfamily.net> I've never used debian so I'm kind of reluctant to try Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > Well I'm sure that this question has been asked thousands of times before but I > > will ask it again. I want to get Red Hat 7.0 installed. And all I have at my > > disposal is a fast internet connection. Solutions? > > Hmmm... download the Debian boot floppies, boot, install, and screw > redhat. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 26 10:43:55 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: <39F85134.B145FB5C@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <007c01c03f63$9153e300$ea6810ac@psinetcs.com> Don't be. apt-get will take you where you want to go. Just to go to unstable and upgrade unless you don't want to go back :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat > I've never used debian so I'm kind of reluctant to try > > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > Well I'm sure that this question has been asked thousands of times before but I > > > will ask it again. I want to get Red Hat 7.0 installed. And all I have at my > > > disposal is a fast internet connection. Solutions? > > > > Hmmm... download the Debian boot floppies, boot, install, and screw > > redhat. :) > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. > > Andrew Nemchenko > > E-mail: drew@usfamily.net > Work: 952-932-4081 > Home: 651-681-8572 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Oct 26 10:50:08 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:38:18AM -0500 References: <39F84E52.3C9E027F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20001026105008.C13500@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Hmmm... download the Debian boot floppies, boot, install, and screw > redhat. :) > Well, unless you're into cyber w/Linux distros, I'm not sure hwo this would help ;) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From JMiller2 at DainRauscher.com Thu Oct 26 11:17:09 2000 From: JMiller2 at DainRauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat Message-ID: I used to use RH but am switching to Debian. Debian has a similar package manager plus Debian has software to convert RPM to a Debian's .deb package format. Debian also claims to have a lot more software available for their system then other distros. I have order the 2.2 version from cheapbytes yesterday. 9.99 plus 8.95 for shipping. That is includes the complete 6 cd set. This also includes the source code. The lastest version (2.2), I have been told, is kernel 2.4 ready. I am hoping that there is, or will be, support for external USB Ethernet card support. John D. Miller Dain Rauscher Application Programming Voice: (612) 547-7573 Email: jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:32 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat Well I'm sure that this question has been asked thousands of times before but I will ask it again. I want to get Red Hat 7.0 installed. And all I have at my disposal is a fast internet connection. Solutions? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 26 11:38:16 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: Message-ID: <39F85DF8.8A3822D2@ltiflex.com> My general plug, if you have a fast net connection, check out Debian's Network install. Debian's package managment and Redhat's package managment aren't much alike in reality. With Debain, you should be able to, in theory, install every package [except for those that conflict, exim and sendmail can't be installed at the same time for example] and everything you install will work, and will work to the extent the package maintainer has configured it to work out fo the box. Try that with Red Hat. =) Alien, well, it works. Alien can actually create rpm, debs, or tgz. By default on Debian, it creates debs. On RedHat, RPMs. See the docs. I would recomment agnist using it unless you're dealing with some biniary only redhat package. If there is no package but you can get the source, compile it. First check debian unstable, if there is a source package there, things are easy. apt-get source package (add source URIs for unstable to /etc/apt/sources.list, deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free, don't do just a strait deb http://whatever, or you will upgrade to unstable. If you really want to, that's an option as well.) Then cd to the directory you want to compile in, and type apt-get source packagename. apt will download the source code and extract it, and apply the patches to create a debian packages. cd to where it extracted it, make any changes or extra patches, then type debian/rules binary and it will build a debian biniary package. When it's finished, cd .., dpkg -i package-name*.deb. Slick. If there are no source packages, I recomend getting stow. (Search freshmeat for stow, stow is a potato and woody package.) Stow is really simple. Get a source archive, extract, and compile with prefix=/usr/local/stow/package-name-version. then do make and make install as normal. When it's done, cd to user local stow and type stow package-name-version. Stow will automatically create symlinks in /usr/local/. To remove the package, stow -D /usr/local/stow/package-name-version; rm -rf /usr/local/stow/package-name-version. The package is removed, and you still have a nice clean system. How great is that? I'm installing RedHat right now (just for kicks...hehe) under VMware. I'm actually rather impressed with the installer for 6.1. I do wish that their ftp install was a bit more obviously documented. (I admit that I haven't look very hard.) Anyone want to point me for the docs for RedHat 7 ftp install? =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 26 12:18:26 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: <39F85DF8.8A3822D2@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39F86762.5DE0DD0@usfamily.net> I must say that its too late now because I'm allready performing the RH install. Thanks for all your help ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Thu Oct 26 13:27:30 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: <39F85DF8.8A3822D2@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Andy, I couldn't help but grimace at your post. No offense. With such a system, I can see a whole new crop of cracker attacks as a result of such ever-user-friendly, "plug-and-play"ish packages. IMHO, there is a point at which a system automates itself beyond a safe point -- trying to be more friendly to inexperienced (lazy? maybe) users. This is the whole reason we have ridiculous things like macro viruses. In contrast, I would encourage the download and compilation of the sources. Aside from what's in the compiler itself, this is total control. As slick as debs or rpms are, I can't help but feel as though they're sloppy and a "lazy" method for running (supposedly) trusted executables. Just my two cents... looking forward to a discussion. Timothy On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > aren't much alike in reality. With Debain, you should be able to, in theory, > install every package [except for those that conflict, exim and sendmail > can't be installed at the same time for example] and everything you install > will work, and will work to the extent the package maintainer has configured > it to work out fo the box. Try that with Red Hat. =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 26 13:37:28 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > I couldn't help but grimace at your post. No offense. > > With such a system, I can see a whole new crop of cracker attacks as a > result of such ever-user-friendly, "plug-and-play"ish packages. IMHO, > there is a point at which a system automates itself beyond a safe point -- > trying to be more friendly to inexperienced (lazy? maybe) users. This is > the whole reason we have ridiculous things like macro viruses. Debian actually goes through and prompts you for configuration information when you install deb's that require it. (eg, anything like exim, sendmail, etc). And if you decline to configure it, the package will not start up until you do. > In contrast, I would encourage the download and compilation of the > sources. Aside from what's in the compiler itself, this is total > control. As slick as debs or rpms are, I can't help but feel as though > they're sloppy and a "lazy" method for running (supposedly) trusted > executables. Why are they "sloppy" and "lazy"? For 99% of the programs, you end up with the exact same binary that you would building it on your box. I agree that you can run into problems (especially with RPM) of not having default configurations that are insecure, but if you are a competant sysadmin, only install the packages you need, and configure those packages properly, you really end up with the same end result. Also, what about the issue of upgradability? Would you really want to go around and compile everything on every box you admin? Would you really want to have a compiler on, let's say, a production server? I occasionally get stuck doing routine upgrades for a large number of (Redhat) boxes. Without RPM's, it would be a long and tedious process. With RPM, I can just scp the RPM's over, and run rpm -Fvh *.rpm.. of course, most of the RPM's I install are custom-rolled, to guarantee that configuration will not be overwritten and such. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 26 13:56:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: <39F85DF8.8A3822D2@ltiflex.com> <39F86762.5DE0DD0@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <39F87E42.B20B01F3@tcfreenet.org> Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > I must say that its too late now because I'm allready performing the RH install. > > Thanks for all your help Good for you. Don't let those crazy nuts get to you. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 26 13:53:10 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: <39F86762.5DE0DD0@usfamily.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I must say that its too late now because I'm allready performing the RH install. > > Thanks for all your help Hehehe.. good job. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From JMiller2 at DainRauscher.com Thu Oct 26 13:55:05 2000 From: JMiller2 at DainRauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat Message-ID: As a fairly new newbie, I currently don't have enough knowledge and, I admit I am lazy, and not enough will power to go out and learn how to install individual packages. I like to find a package and install it with no effort. With these automated packages, RPM will tell you if you need to install/upgrade dependent packages. When you uninstall the package, it will supposedly remove dependent packages that are no longer in use. With Debian, it will install dependant packages for you, if they are available. The down side to this automation is that you don't learn more about your system and how it works and I understand the concern about opening the system to security risk. I just had to add my two cents in. John D. Miller Dain Rauscher Application Programming Voice: (612) 547-7573 Email: jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Houck [mailto:thouck@thouck.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat Andy, I couldn't help but grimace at your post. No offense. With such a system, I can see a whole new crop of cracker attacks as a result of such ever-user-friendly, "plug-and-play"ish packages. IMHO, there is a point at which a system automates itself beyond a safe point -- trying to be more friendly to inexperienced (lazy? maybe) users. This is the whole reason we have ridiculous things like macro viruses. In contrast, I would encourage the download and compilation of the sources. Aside from what's in the compiler itself, this is total control. As slick as debs or rpms are, I can't help but feel as though they're sloppy and a "lazy" method for running (supposedly) trusted executables. Just my two cents... looking forward to a discussion. Timothy On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > aren't much alike in reality. With Debain, you should be able to, in theory, > install every package [except for those that conflict, exim and sendmail > can't be installed at the same time for example] and everything you install > will work, and will work to the extent the package maintainer has configured > it to work out fo the box. Try that with Red Hat. =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Oct 26 14:21:23 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23166] Packages (Was: Installing Red Hat) References: Message-ID: <39F88433.DC2409B1@ltiflex.com> From kbullock at ringworld.org Thu Oct 26 16:05:40 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > With such a system, I can see a whole new crop of cracker attacks as a > result of such ever-user-friendly, "plug-and-play"ish packages. IMHO, > there is a point at which a system automates itself beyond a safe point -- > trying to be more friendly to inexperienced (lazy? maybe) users. This is > the whole reason we have ridiculous things like macro viruses. There's a list of reasons why I think any attacks using this system are unlikely: 1) Debian watches the security of its packages' out-of-the-box configurations very closely. security.debian.org always contains the fixed versions of packages with known vulnerabilities. 2) Debian chooses its maintainers very carefully. It takes five steps, including a GPG key and a photo ID, plus a discussion of philosophy of free software. 3) Installing a package requires conscious action by a user with root access. It's not so simple as getting an e-mail and then suddenly your system is infected/compromised. 4) While it is possible and practical for users to get packages from places other than Debian's central repositories, this isn't standard practice. For example, although you can install HelixGNOME on a Debian 2.2 (current stable release) system, from Helix's own repositories, the next release of Debian will include GNOME 1.2 (a.k.a. HelixGNOME) in the distribution itself. Any package repositories that are outside of Debian's control tend to be only for bleeding-edge stuff, and then users are strongly warned that "this could mess up your system. be careful and don't run with scissors when the moon is full at high tide." :) All in all, I trust Debian to keep my packages more secure than if I'd compiled them myself, since the maintainers have time to think through security concerns. I still tweak configs and remove all unnecessary servers, of course, but on the whole I don't see security as being a major reason to argue against Debian's package management system. That doesn't mean you don't have a valid point. I also tend not to trust any organization to keep my systems secure. But Debian has proven itself to me. Anyways, enough of my opinions for now. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 26 17:36:23 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23168] Installing Red Hat GRAPHICS References: Message-ID: <39F8B1E7.9093076B@usfamily.net> I have another Problem now I'm helping a Coworker install RH 6.2 to a P120 system. We go it installed, however we are having difficulty getting the Grapghics in X running correctly. He has a STB Nitro 64 card. We can get X started but the Screen is cut in half horizontally and is doubling the image. He has some type of a Tatsung monitor, and we are also unsure about its settings. If you can sudgest something Please Do. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 26 18:19:52 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23168] Installing Red Hat GRAPHICS References: <39F8B1E7.9093076B@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <39F8BC18.765A0E1E@usfamily.net> We have it fixed allready so Ignore the last post Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I have another Problem now I'm helping a Coworker install RH 6.2 to a P120 > system. We go it installed, however we are having difficulty getting the > Grapghics in X running correctly. He has a STB Nitro 64 card. We can get X > started but the Screen is cut in half horizontally and is doubling the image. He > has some type of a Tatsung monitor, and we are also unsure about its settings. > If you can sudgest something Please Do. > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Oct 27 01:01:37 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat References: Message-ID: <39F91A41.16503D1A@tcfreenet.org> > 2) Debian chooses its maintainers very carefully. It takes five steps, > including a GPG key and a photo ID, plus a discussion of philosophy of > free software. See, it is* a cult! The first rule of Project Mayhem, is no one asks questions about Project Mayhem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Oct 27 01:05:08 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23171] netscape java problems? In-Reply-To: <39F91A41.16503D1A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: More often than not when I hit a page with java, netscape halts. I have upgraded netscape constantly but this problem remains. Is there something else that causes it to crash? Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Oct 27 01:17:42 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23171] netscape java problems? References: Message-ID: <39F91E06.1177B1C8@tcfreenet.org> Colin Kilbane wrote: > > More often than not when I hit a page with java, netscape halts. I have > upgraded netscape constantly but this problem remains. Is there something > else that causes it to crash? Nope. Keep java disabled until you really really need it. And then expect it to crash. Netscape's java support in unix blows goats. Mozilla/NS 6 may finally fix this... For that matter, disable style sheets as well. Makes a lot of sites load way faster. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Fri Oct 27 07:46:45 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23173] Mozilla 6 doesn't do SSL? Message-ID: Seems every preview version of Mozilla I get can't do https. Has anyone else noticed this? -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Fri Oct 27 07:47:48 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nate, You make a good point. They are very handy, and becoming more and more practical as systems become more complex. At the same time, security is a *very* big deal to me, and I need to know exactly what is being done on my system. While debs may allow some customized install options, you still don't know if the binary is safe. For example, I believe Redhat 7 shipped with a broken MySQL package. I also usually require some different compilation options. Sometimes I prefer static vs. shared binaries, etc. When the source takes less than 5 minutes to ./configure and compile, it's hard to give up the functionality you get from source code. RPMs and DEBs are really only good for common configurations (say, Linux i686 with standard options, among others). My point is not being made for packages you make yourself. These are obviously customized already and you have good control over these. I guess it's just personal preference. Timothy On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > > I couldn't help but grimace at your post. No offense. > > > > With such a system, I can see a whole new crop of cracker attacks as a > > result of such ever-user-friendly, "plug-and-play"ish packages. IMHO, > > there is a point at which a system automates itself beyond a safe point -- > > trying to be more friendly to inexperienced (lazy? maybe) users. This is > > the whole reason we have ridiculous things like macro viruses. > > Debian actually goes through and prompts you for configuration information > when you install deb's that require it. (eg, anything like exim, sendmail, > etc). And if you decline to configure it, the package will not start up > until you do. > > > In contrast, I would encourage the download and compilation of the > > sources. Aside from what's in the compiler itself, this is total > > control. As slick as debs or rpms are, I can't help but feel as though > > they're sloppy and a "lazy" method for running (supposedly) trusted > > executables. > > Why are they "sloppy" and "lazy"? For 99% of the programs, you end up with > the exact same binary that you would building it on your box. I agree that > you can run into problems (especially with RPM) of not having default > configurations that are insecure, but if you are a competant sysadmin, > only install the packages you need, and configure those packages properly, > you really end up with the same end result. > > Also, what about the issue of upgradability? Would you really want to go > around and compile everything on every box you admin? Would you really > want to have a compiler on, let's say, a production server? > > I occasionally get stuck doing routine upgrades for a large number of > (Redhat) boxes. Without RPM's, it would be a long and tedious > process. With RPM, I can just scp the RPM's over, and run rpm -Fvh > *.rpm.. of course, most of the RPM's I install are custom-rolled, to > guarantee that configuration will not be overwritten and such. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Fri Oct 27 08:10:43 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23166] Packages (Was: Installing Red Hat) In-Reply-To: <39F88433.DC2409B1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Andy, These are all valid points. However, I'm going to give you a scenario. You run an intranet behind a firewall. This is because there is sensitive information somewhere behind that firewall. Every workstation looks for package updates and downloads them daily. This works great for a few months. One day, a cracker breaks into server "A" which is somewhere between the firewall server and the server containing your package updates. He/she notices your automation process, and does some DNS,routing,spoofing work and suddenly everyone on your firewall is downloading a set of packages that, once installed, promptly creates a nice http tunnel straight through the firewall, allowing the cracker total access. This is assuming you have not taken encrypted data transport, just straight passive FTP. Is that what apt-get uses? On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >From a quality standpoint, it IS a good thing that you can go out and > install just about every package in debian and not have package X break > package Y, and have everything start up out of the box. > > Debian is pretty strict security wise with their default configurations. I'm > not saying you should trust them entirely though. > > If you are being lazy, yes you can use the -y switch with apt and apt will > answer yes to all the prompts created by the package maintainer. This is a > rather dargerous switch to have, but it can be extremely useful when > combined with the -d switch. > > Example: I can set up a cron job to run > apt-get update (updates the list of available packages) > apt-get -d -y upgrade (downloads upgraded packages, but takes no other > action. -y suppress the X packages upgraded, need to download XXX bytes, do > you want to continue? message) > > With that going you'll have your any security updates allready downloaded > when you pull into the office in the morning. Or you won't have to wait for > the download phase when doing an upgrade to the unstable system. This is a > rather useful cronjob if you're running debian unstable on a modem. Set it > to download the new packages while you're asleep or away from home. > > > With such a system, I can see a whole new crop of cracker attacks as a > > result of such ever-user-friendly, "plug-and-play"ish packages. > > I do belive Red Hat allready experienced this with their update system. One > of their deamons running as root had a default password for every RedHat box > or something. Good FUD material until it was pointed out ummm, MSSQL > defaults to no password on the sa account. > > If anything, the packages from the official debian archives are more secure > then those you compile yourself. Ever look into what it takes to become a > official debian maintainer? It's a lengthy process of meeting (in person) > keysigning, and what not. > > Personally, I'd rather grab my software pre-compiled from the official > debian archives than compile it myself. The end product, as stated before, > is basically the same. The debian source packages are just an added > convience. Yes, I could grab the source from freshmeat, and create my own > debian package OR just install it to /usr/local, but why should I when the > official package maintainer has made it that much easier for me? > > As for the configurations, well, if there was something really icky in a > default config in debian, the package would be updated and thrown into the > security archive or just replaced if it came from the unstable branch. Often > the software doesn't have a default config, but generates one based on your > responses. You are still encouraged to check it out and make sure everything > is ok. > > It almost sounds like you opinion is "I have to go through the code bit by > bit before it goes on my server." Well, if that's the way you like to do > things, fine by me, knock yourself out. Me, I'll take pre-packaged software > when I can get it and compile it when I need to. Maybe I should just shutup > about Linux and go install OpenBSD. :P~ > > > In contrast, I would encourage the download and compilation of the > > sources. Aside from what's in the compiler itself, this is total > > control. As slick as debs or rpms are, I can't help but feel as though > > they're sloppy and a "lazy" method for running (supposedly) trusted > > executables. > > There is a certin joy to compiling your own biniaries, but if you don't do > it in a "correct" manner, you're asking for just as much trouble as your are > by answering yes to everything. On systems that do have package managment, > you also risk breaking that package managment. If you're compiling it > yourself, it's best not to install it to /usr but to /usr/local. (The idea > behind local is that this software is specific to your local setup, and > isn't found in the "stock" distribution/package/etc.) You could also use > /opt over /usr/local, but I never really got the point of /opt. Yes, it's > optional. By that definition, everything that isn't the base system should > be in /opt. > > I don't know if you had any issues with the stow suggestion, but I really > like stow. It give you another level of control that you don't get when you > just compile and make install. And it makes it extremely easy to remove > custom compiled software. I haven't encountered anything that broke with > stows methods, even vmware was ok when I forced it to install in > /usr/local/stow/vmware (/usr/local/stow/vmware/man, > /usr/local/stow/vmware/bin, /usr/local/stow/vmware/doc, > /usr/local/stow/vmware/lib, etc...) I had to change the path at every > prompt, but I won't spend more than 10 minutes tracking down every file it > installed should I ever want to remove it. > > If you want no package control what so ever, feel free to choose slackware. > It's package managment gets to job done, but compared to an RPM or deb based > system, pretty ruidmentry. I can see the appeal there if you're installing > say, one server and you want it to be secure and you don't want anything you > don't absoutely need. If you get into mutiple servers/workstations, > managment/version control/etc are necissities in the eyes of most. > > There is yet another advantage to package managment systems. The public > servers I have here are bare minimum. No compiler, no libiaries and the > like. With debian's make-kpgk tool I can easily compile new kernels for > these servers on my workstation and scp the resultion deb to the server for > installation. > > Hmmm, enough for now me thinks. =) > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Oct 27 08:10:58 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23173] Mozilla 6 doesn't do SSL? References: Message-ID: <39F97EE2.291D5403@fandre.com> Jon Schewe wrote: > > Seems every preview version of Mozilla I get can't do https. Has anyone else > noticed this? Try installing the PSM. http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Fri Oct 27 08:25:52 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23168] Installing Red Hat GRAPHICS In-Reply-To: <39F8B1E7.9093076B@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Hi, Andy. Your /etc/X11/X file will be a symbolic link to the actual X server. To use the SVGA server (the simplest) for instance, link it to /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA. There may be other servers in /usr/X11R6/bin, depending on what you installed. Try setting it to SVGA, if it isn't already. Next, check your XF86Config file. This may be in /etc or /usr/X11R6. In the "monitor" section, you can set your refresh rates. In the "screen" section, you can set resolutions. There is a program to automate this at /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config. Keep us posted as to your progress. :) Timothy On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I have another Problem now I'm helping a Coworker install RH 6.2 to a P120 > system. We go it installed, however we are having difficulty getting the > Grapghics in X running correctly. He has a STB Nitro 64 card. We can get X > started but the Screen is cut in half horizontally and is doubling the image. He > has some type of a Tatsung monitor, and we are also unsure about its settings. > If you can sudgest something Please Do. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Fri Oct 27 08:27:01 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23168] Installing Red Hat GRAPHICS In-Reply-To: <39F8BC18.765A0E1E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Ok, ignore my attempt at helping :). On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > We have it fixed allready so Ignore the last post --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Oct 27 08:28:21 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23179] keeping your private key secure Message-ID: Good morning, Because I read my email from a number of different locations and I try to avoid sending my password in the clear, I've been opening an ssh session to Visi and reading my mail with pine. I'd rather not keep my GnuPG private key on Visi's machine, but I don't see what alternative I've got if I want to read encrypted emails. (I haven't even checked if Visi's version of pine supports GnuPG/PGP.) In general, what's a moderately paranoid person to do when it comes to keeping his private key private? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From thouck at thouck.com Fri Oct 27 08:40:26 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23171] netscape java problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Colin. I've noticed the same problem. Netscape does not start up with a Java Virtual Machine running. Once you hit a page with an applet, it will start one up. This usually takes a few seconds. Then it'll start downloading the applet. If the applet is huge, it will take a little while with no status information. This may appear to be "halted". Also, the latest JVM that Netscape uses is 1.3. I just downloaded the SDK yesterday. If your applet is written a certain way, it will consume resources and appear as "crashed". This is the result, for instance, with VNC applets on Linux. They run fine on Win 32-bit platforms. *shrug* Timothy On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Colin Kilbane wrote: > More often than not when I hit a page with java, netscape halts. I have > upgraded netscape constantly but this problem remains. Is there something > else that causes it to crash? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Oct 27 08:53:07 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23179] keeping your private key secure References: Message-ID: <39F988C3.D23C2067@innominatus.com> You could use zip-crypt on your key once or twice before putting it on visi's server. Then write a little shell scrip that will: -unzip-crypt the key -run pine -delete the unzipped key when pine exits. But your key would be uncrypted for a short time while you read your mail. Does visi let you install binaries like zipcrypt or bcrypt in your directory? Timothy Wilson wrote: > Good morning, > > Because I read my email from a number of different locations and I try to > avoid sending my password in the clear, I've been opening an ssh session to > Visi and reading my mail with pine. > > I'd rather not keep my GnuPG private key on Visi's machine, but I don't see > what alternative I've got if I want to read encrypted emails. (I haven't > even checked if Visi's version of pine supports GnuPG/PGP.) > > In general, what's a moderately paranoid person to do when it comes to > keeping his private key private? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Fri Oct 27 09:39:50 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:22590] Job seeking... In-Reply-To: <39E7073D.FA0EDEF2@uswest.net> Message-ID: try estabroo@talkware.net and/or scott@adtech.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Oct 27 10:35:39 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23152] Installing Red Hat In-Reply-To: <39F91A41.16503D1A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > 2) Debian chooses its maintainers very carefully. It takes five steps, > > including a GPG key and a photo ID, plus a discussion of philosophy of > > free software. > > See, it is* a cult! > > The first rule of Project Mayhem, is no one asks questions about Project > Mayhem. hehe... of course it is! ;p Of course, never mind the fact that Debian's free software guidelines were adopted by ESR for opensource.org... but then again, ESR is kindof a charismatic, cultist guy ;p Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Oct 27 10:37:22 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23184] OT - webhosting companies Message-ID: <39F9A132.46E0A783@fruitioninc.com> Heya- Can anyone reccomend an above average local hosting company? Unfortunately, the client is looking for an windoze environment. They were at onvoy, but are very displeased with their service and are looking to move. They are also considering either co-locating or dedicated. Thanks, Jacque --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mtsqph at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 10:39:31 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23185] using the Unix version of messenger... Message-ID: <20001027153931.62738.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I am writing from up in the north woods... I am running Mandrake 7.0 on a K6-2 233 with 15.3G's HD and 128 Megs of ram. (All on a PA-2005 MoBo and a 33.6 Hayes accura modem,..) I set up an account on Yahoo mail to avoid conflict with my wifes NS mail (she programs out of our home on a WIN box and we share the phone line), so I attempted to set up 'messenger' on yahoo. It ran once after I successfully opened the tarball and set messenger up. However I now encounter a problem with resolution of server address 'cs.yahoo.com' is the default, but I cannot for the life of me find out why this is in conflict. Anybody encounter this... or is it just the fact that the Unix version of messenger is still in beta... and I may need to download the source binaries instead? Thanks in advance. -manny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Oct 27 10:56:09 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23173] Mozilla 6 doesn't do SSL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 27 Oct 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > Seems every preview version of Mozilla I get can't do https. Has anyone else > noticed this? I've got M18, and it does SSL for me (: You need to install PSM, it should be an option under "Debug". -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 27 11:10:53 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23185] using the Unix version of messenger... References: <20001027153931.62738.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39F9A90D.42219558@ltiflex.com> > I set up an account on Yahoo mail to avoid conflict > with my wifes NS mail (she programs out of our home on > a WIN box and we share the phone line), so I attempted > to set up 'messenger' on yahoo. It ran once after I > successfully opened the tarball and set messenger up. > However I now encounter a problem with resolution of > server address '' is the default, but I > cannot for the life of me find out why this is in > conflict. Anybody encounter this... or is it just the > fact that the Unix version of messenger is still in > beta... and I may need to download the source binaries > instead? Thanks in advance. > -manny Things you could try: nslookup ns.yahoo.com should return Address: 204.71.177.33 nslookup 204.71.177.33 should return Address: 204.71.177.33 If not, check /etc/resolv.conf for and make sure your ISPs DNS servers are in there. Make sure there aren't any references to ns.yahoo.com in /etc/hosts. Are you running IPMASQ to share the phone line or is it a "Manny, get off the phone I need to check my e-mail!" type deal. Are you running Bind locally? If you are, stop bind and see what happens. Last thought, try the Java client and see if it chokes with a similar error. Everybuddy supports the Yahoo!Messagner stuff as well. Gabber might also. GTKYahoo, Gyach, Imici Messenger, and KYahoo seem to be other options (freshmeat.net is your friend.) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Oct 27 14:06:11 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23188] Debian+KDE 2.0+Konquerer+SSL Message-ID: <39F9D222.40EC759C@innominatus.com> Anyone using Debian and KDE 2.0 and Konquerer and trying to use SSL? Either the Debian KDE maintainer didnt compile Konquerer with SSL support, or there is something else I have to have installed besides OpenSSL. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Oct 27 14:12:33 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23185] using the Unix version of messenger... Message-ID: <001027141233.202a1996@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I've noticed that a different mailer here is complaining about yahoo.com not sending their banner correctly, so mails for it are backing up here. Could that be your problem? Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 14:28:43 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23188] Debian+KDE 2.0+Konquerer+SSL In-Reply-To: <39F9D222.40EC759C@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 02:06:11PM -0500 References: <39F9D222.40EC759C@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001027142843.B1924@yahoo.com> I recall reading about this somewhere. I wasn't very interested in it at the time so I don't remember it exactly. Check the debian mailing lists at http://lists.debian.org/ It has something to do with ssl not being in the US ftp sites or something. But since you already have ssl I don't know. Tim On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 02:06:11PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Anyone using Debian and KDE 2.0 and Konquerer and trying to use SSL? > > Either the Debian KDE maintainer didnt compile Konquerer with SSL > support, or there is something else I have to have installed besides > OpenSSL. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Fri Oct 27 14:26:41 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23184] OT - webhosting companies In-Reply-To: <39F9A132.46E0A783@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <000901c0404b$d5c6e300$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > Heya- > > Can anyone reccomend an above average local hosting company? > Unfortunately, the client is looking for an windoze environment. They > were at onvoy, but are very displeased with their service and are > looking to move. They are also considering either co-locating or > dedicated. > We've had good luck with Agiliti (formerly GoFast) in the past, and I know they do the co-lo thing... Although since getting bought by Agiliti they seem to be trying to reinvent themselves as an ASP, so take this with a grain of salt. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Oct 27 14:31:08 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23192] MP3s on Debian Message-ID: Hey everyone, What Debian package do I need to install to have a good MP3 encoder? I've looked through the dselect list and I can't find any. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Oct 27 14:35:02 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23193] what's tap0? Message-ID: I'm still working on getting my new box going and I notice that I've got a 'tap0' entry listed when I do an ifconfig. I have no idea where that comes from. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 27 14:48:56 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23188] Debian+KDE 2.0+Konquerer+SSL References: <39F9D222.40EC759C@innominatus.com> <20001027142843.B1924@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39F9DC28.37928C58@ltiflex.com> Tim Sandquist wrote: > > I recall reading about this somewhere. I wasn't very interested in it at > the time so I don't remember it exactly. Check the debian mailing lists > at http://lists.debian.org/ > > It has something to do with ssl not being in the US ftp sites or something. > But since you already have ssl I don't know. Make sure you have the non-us sources in /etc/apt/sources.list # Non-US Trees deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib apt-get update; apt-get install kdelibs3-crypto That should add the support Konqueror needs to do ssl stuff. I tried it myself with no real success, but I think that's because Konqueror only knows enough to shove http and ftp through a proxy server. I'll try from home in a few hours and let you know. Konqueror is a great browser though. Support for netscape plugins and Java if you have a JRE or JDK installed. Anyone tried out Java support in Konqueror with the IBM JDK? SO far I haven't gotten Konqueror to load the Citrix Java ICA client, I admit I haven't tried very hard. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Oct 27 15:00:02 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23192] MP3s on Debian References: Message-ID: <39F9DEC2.34161318@ltiflex.com> From rydianb at hotmail.com Fri Oct 27 15:08:35 2000 From: rydianb at hotmail.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23193] what's tap0? References: Message-ID: > I'm still working on getting my new box going and I notice that I've got a > 'tap0' entry listed when I do an ifconfig. I have no idea where that comes > from. > > -Tim I believe it's the ethertap driver. From drew at usfamily.net Fri Oct 27 16:24:33 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23197] Looking for Book on Linux References: Message-ID: <39F9F291.176D14E2@usfamily.net> I'm looking for a good up-to-date overall book on linux, preferably something reasonably priced, and with lots of different iformation in it. Please flood me with you sudjestions. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Oct 27 16:23:50 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23197] Looking for Book on Linux In-Reply-To: <39F9F291.176D14E2@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I'm looking for a good up-to-date overall book on linux, preferably something > reasonably priced, and with lots of different iformation in it. Please flood me > with you sudjestions. Peter Norton's Complete Guide to Linux!!! -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org