From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 14:41:12 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20001103144112.K15470@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 15:08:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing mailman mailing list Message-ID: <20001103150849.P15470@real-time.com> Getting this? Is this in the archive? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 15:10:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23412] .deb -> rpm = alien But .deb -> srpm ? In-Reply-To: ; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 03:03:25PM -0600 References: <20001102223549.H3754@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001103151018.Q15470@real-time.com> Quoting Kevin R. Bullock (kbullock@ringworld.org): > Out of curiosity, why do you want to do this? Why not just RPM-ize it from > the original source? (well... looking at others' work is always good, but > still...) Cuz the .deb is is only i386 and I need it to be sparc and sparc64. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 15:18:24 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems? Message-ID: <20001103151824.T15470@real-time.com> Looks like problems with the archive. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 15:20:30 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20001103152030.U15470@real-time.com> More testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 15:25:13 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing ezmlm->mailman bridge Message-ID: <20001103152513.A22580@real-time.com> Testing ezmlm->mailman bridge. Please ignore. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 3 15:27:56 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Last test. Testing new archiver. Message-ID: <20001103152756.B22580@real-time.com> Testing new archiver. http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list Last test. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Nov 3 15:26:40 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail Can't create transcript file ./xfeA3LUJ918407: Permission denie Message-ID: After upgrading to Mandrake 7.2 from 7.0, when I run sendmail as a normal user I get: Can't create transcript file ./xfeA3LUJ918407: Permission denied I tried running sendmail a sgui mail since that is the perms in /var/spool/mqueue are for group mail. But that didn't change anything. I have my perms for /var/spool/mqueue 775 with group mail. Do other mandrake 7.2 people have this problem? I've removed sendmail and reinstalled from the rpm. Any ideas how to fix this? I'm not running sendmail in daemon mode, but that shouldn't affect running /usr/sbin/sendmail. Thanks, Ben From foeclan at winternet.com Fri Nov 3 15:35:06 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23477] Free box (OT) In-Reply-To: <005701c045d9$19863720$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: I'm actually planning on bringing a pile of old 486s and such to PPL (Project for Pride and Living), who take such donations. They're an organization that trains hard-to-employ adults. They've got an ad in Computer User. You can reach them at 651-224-7019 for more information (they've likely got a web page, too, being reasonably high-profile). There're also a few other organizations in the Calendar section of Computer User, under Donations. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, > > I have an old computer I'd like to get rid of. It's an > IBM PS/ValuePoint model 6381-M30. (You can read all about > it at IBM's support web site if you like.) > > I would like to donate it to a good cause (charity, at- > risk youth, adult education, nerdy teen, etc.) so if you > know anyone who might want a machine with the following > features, please let me know. > > - Low-profile desktop machine > > - 66MHz 486, but has an OverDrive socket. I have an 83MHz > Pentium Overdrive, and may include that for an especially > worthy cause, or I'll put the chip on eBay. > > - 425MB drive, but has a new IDE controller that worked when > I tested it with a disk of 8.4GB. (IDE controller on mother- > board has 528MB limit. BIOS has 8.4GB limit.) > > - 24MB RAM, and will support 64MB > > - Built-in video (ET4000?), with VRAM upgrade to 1MB VRAM total > > - 256KB External L2 cache (VERY rare in these PC's) > > - Three ISA slots, all full > - IDE controller > - 33.6kbps Motorola modem (NOT HSP/WinModem type) > - OPTi-based sound card > > - Three drive bays, all full > - 425MB disk (connected to IDE card) > - 1.44MB floppy > - 12x ATAPI CD-ROM (connected to IDE channel on sound card) > > - (Optional) Win95 OEM version with manual and original CD > > - Connectors: Video, 2 serial, 1 parallel, PS/2 keyboard and mouse > > - Comes with (Dell) keyboard and (IBM) mouse > > 0 Monitor NOT included > > I had problems setting up Red Hat 6.2 because of the small > hard drive. The glacial speed wasn't conducive either. > > Applications for this box are left as an exercise for the > reader. > > This box stripped of cards would sell for about $10 on eBay. > > Take care, > Chris Schumann > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From rsmith at calderasystems.com Fri Nov 3 15:48:13 2000 From: rsmith at calderasystems.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Caldera Message-ID: <3A03329D.F810457E@calderasystems.com> Gabe, I work for Caldera and if you've read anything about Caldera, you'll know that it was formed as a Linux distribution company by Bryan Sparks and Ransom Love - both of whom were preaching Linux to Novell and left because they knew Linux and open source would change the future of computing. To see a list of some of Caldera's contributions to the open source community, go to http://www.caldera.com/partners/odn/contrib.html. If it weren't for Caldera, you wouldn't be using Netscape on Linux or using RPMs for package management. OpenLinux is a step above anything else you'll find out there: http://www.calderasystems.com/company/awards.html. You made a valid point about the ppt, doc, and qt files - in fact, when I found out, I sent an e-mail with a link to your comments to the product manager and he said "I will use this going forward when we do things." Thanks for your interest in Caldera. Later, Ryan Smith webmaster@caldera btw - I'm from Minnesota and actually went to the U of M for a term in HS - go Gophers! From rsmith at calderasystems.com Fri Nov 3 15:54:20 2000 From: rsmith at calderasystems.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Caldera] Message-ID: <3A03340C.AFB48C30@calderasystems.com> Bob, Pls read and forward to Gabe. Thanks, Ryan Smith webmaster@caldera -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Ryan Smith Subject: Caldera Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:48:13 -0700 Size: 1438 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001103/f886db1b/attachment.mht From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Nov 3 16:17:16 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23483] [Fwd: Caldera] In-Reply-To: <3A03340C.AFB48C30@calderasystems.com>; from rsmith@calderasystems.com on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:54:20PM -0700 References: <3A03340C.AFB48C30@calderasystems.com> Message-ID: <20001103161716.I825@ringworld.org> * Ryan Smith [001103 16:12]: > and Ransom Love - both of whom were preaching Linux to Novell and left If I get a chance, Ill find the cooperative and open source nature of ransom love on some mailing list way back when. (scarasm) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org < TheDude> vim just don't work on my system < Signal_11> TheDude: It only has two modes - typing and beep mode! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001103/dc83246f/attachment.pgp From adamm at sihope.com Fri Nov 3 16:18:40 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23483] [Fwd: Caldera] In-Reply-To: <3A03340C.AFB48C30@calderasystems.com> Message-ID: > If it weren't for Caldera, you wouldn't be using Netscape on Linux or > using RPMs for package management. He makes it sound like RPMs are a benefit somehow... Heh, Gabe using RPMs - that'll be the day Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications From kethry at winternet.com Fri Nov 3 17:48:15 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backdoor access to frontpage extension passwords? In-Reply-To: <20001103151018.Q15470@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi - I'm trying to get access to some files via a windows system, but they are stored on a linux box. It looks like they were created using front page extensions, but no one is around anymore with access to the files. Therefore, I need to reset the passwords, or create new users, but of course have to go in the back way - If I try to connect to the share via samba, I cannot do anything with these files, however, if I log into the linux box and edit the files directly, I have no problems at all. Any ideas? Thanks! Liz Burke-Scovill -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net Fri Nov 3 17:52:21 2000 From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New mailer Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001103174721.00d38c80@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I don't know if this is a result of the recent upgrade or something is. I did a search for "network" from the webpage and among all the results I tried the first few and found that they were broken. Here is a few of them: http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg02537.html http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg01309.html http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg02734.html Now here are a few that work: http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Mar/msg00235.html http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Mar/msg00210.html http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Nov/msg00796.html Just thought you would like to know John From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net Fri Nov 3 17:54:23 2000 From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re Networking Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001103175306.00aae8c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I am not having any luck getting dhcp and AT&T working. The boot process pauses at the Configuring Network Interfaces for a very long time. Then there is a long pause at Starting DHCP client daemon step. When I do an ifconfig only the Local interface appears. I have set /etc/dhcpc/config to both IFACE=eth0 and IFACE=none and it failed both times. I have set the /etc/network/interfaces iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp I am using dhcpcd. Could someone point out my problem or suggest other ideas. John ps. I am have trouble sending replies so here is a second try. My apologies if this is a repeat. From destef at destef.com Fri Nov 3 20:42:23 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery In-Reply-To: <002d01c045ff$c702cb40$0500000a@localdomain> Message-ID: <200011040241.UAA01558@mail.destef.com> you might try reinstalling a fresh OS onto a different drive, then mount your old partitions as data paratitions and attempt to fsck them with you correctly working OS. also explore the alternate superblock backups (man fsck?) to increase you chances. not sure if there are any other options out there. dont forget to check lost+found for file remnants especially if you have very important data to recover. At 07:37 PM 11/3/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, >I managed to screw up my hard drive to the point where it won't boot >anymore--fsck locks up when it tries to fix it, before that started >happening, it was corrupted already due to a bad ./configure script (not >written by me, btw) that managed to lock up my computer to the point of >making 'ps' not even work. > >In debugging that configure script I stupidly forced several hard reboots on >my computer (no real classy way to shut down a computer that can't even >figure out the pids of its processes) and now I can't get at the data on the >hard drive. Unfortunately, I had my honor's project on there (a large final >project I need to have finished to graduate from school next semester.) > >So, generally, is there some way to get at this data if the inodes are >corrupted? Without spending mucho bucks that I don't have on a data >recovery team? > >Thanks, >Dave > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 3 22:00:46 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23489] Using wine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > The wine docs say that the Windows partition must be mounted readable and > writable by the wine user. > /dev/hda1 /windows/c vfat rw 0 2 The mount command can accept parameters for group/user ownership. Change your line to this: /dev/hda1 /windows/c vfat rw,gid=,uid= 0 2 That'll make everything on /windows/c appear to be owned by uid and group . Current Wine is pretty impressive; I was able to run Excel, load, modify and even SAVE files!!! Can't print though. -Yaron -- From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Nov 3 23:08:23 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't compile nkfs-4.2.1 (man7.2) Message-ID: I've heard that caldera's kernel module nkfs is very picky about the kernel that it is compiled on, but the latest source from ftp://ftp.calderasystems.com/pub/opensource/nkfs/ says it works with 2.2.5 and up. I've got the default mandrake 7.2 source (2.2.17) installed, but when I try to compile nkfs I get: [lueyb@pclueyb nkfs-4.2.1]$ make make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/nkfs-4.2.1/src' gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DMODULE -DM ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o nkfs_driver.o n kfs_driver.c gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DMODULE -DM ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o nkfs_main.o nkf s_main.c /tmp/ccqK9gGE.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccqK9gGE.s:9: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DMODULE -DM ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o nkfs_inode.o nk fs_inode.c nkfs_inode.c:119: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type nkfs_inode.c:151: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type nkfs_inode.c: In function `nkfs_read_super': nkfs_inode.c:1523: warning: unused variable `zfiles' nkfs_inode.c:1522: warning: unused variable `flags' nkfs_inode.c: At top level: nkfs_inode.c:184: warning: `nkfs_hash_dentry' defined but not used nkfs_inode.c:197: warning: `nkfs_compare_dentry' defined but not used nkfs_inode.c:215: warning: `nkfs_delete_dentry' defined but not used nkfs_inode.c:238: warning: `nkfs_release_dentry' defined but not used nkfs_inode.c:245: warning: `nkfs_iput_dentry' defined but not used ld -r -o nkfs.o nkfs_driver.o nkfs_main.o nkfs_inode.o Anyone get nkfs to compile? Any ideas on what I can do to get it to compile? Ben From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 3 23:52:05 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery Message-ID: Tom's rootboot!!! It's basically a rescue disk with a ton of utils on it. http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html -----Original Message----- From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:42 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery you might try reinstalling a fresh OS onto a different drive, then mount your old partitions as data paratitions and attempt to fsck them with you correctly working OS. also explore the alternate superblock backups (man fsck?) to increase you chances. not sure if there are any other options out there. dont forget to check lost+found for file remnants especially if you have very important data to recover. At 07:37 PM 11/3/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, >I managed to screw up my hard drive to the point where it won't boot >anymore--fsck locks up when it tries to fix it, before that started >happening, it was corrupted already due to a bad ./configure script (not >written by me, btw) that managed to lock up my computer to the point of >making 'ps' not even work. > >In debugging that configure script I stupidly forced several hard reboots on >my computer (no real classy way to shut down a computer that can't even >figure out the pids of its processes) and now I can't get at the data on the >hard drive. Unfortunately, I had my honor's project on there (a large final >project I need to have finished to graduate from school next semester.) > >So, generally, is there some way to get at this data if the inodes are >corrupted? Without spending mucho bucks that I don't have on a data >recovery team? > >Thanks, >Dave > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Sat Nov 4 08:32:47 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23489] Using wine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > The mount command can accept parameters for group/user ownership. Change > your line to this: > > /dev/hda1 /windows/c vfat rw,gid=,uid= 0 2 > > That'll make everything on /windows/c appear to be owned by uid and > group . Thanks for the tip. That works fine. > Current Wine is pretty impressive; I was able to run Excel, load, modify > and even SAVE files!!! Can't print though. Unfortunately, my app still doesn't run. It's a very simple app (win16, no less) so I'm surprised that it doesn't work. I type: $ wine /windows/c/gmwin/gmwin.exe nothing happens for 5 seconds or so and then I get my prompt back with no error messages or anything. Anybody have any suggestions? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From kbullock at ringworld.org Sat Nov 4 09:56:33 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23483] [Fwd: Caldera] In-Reply-To: <3A03340C.AFB48C30@calderasystems.com> Message-ID: > If it weren't for Caldera, you wouldn't be using Netscape on Linux or using > RPMs for package management. Umm... I thought it was Netscape's fault that we have to use Navigator and RedHat's fault that we have to cope with RPMs. *grin* just kidding! Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From okeefe at sistina.com Sat Nov 4 09:58:08 2000 From: okeefe at sistina.com (Matt Okeefe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23486] Next TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <3A033FC9.5574E10D@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 04:44:25PM -0600 References: <3A033FC9.5574E10D@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001104095808.G21652@mail.sistina.com> Clay, give me a day or so, but I think I can get you a GFS speaker. THanks for the offer. Alot has changed since our last talk, and since GFS is now nearly production ready, this is a good time to give a more detailed technical talk. It wouldn't be the same as the last talk we gave at the lug. Regards, Matt On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 04:44:25PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > In case you haven't heard, there will NOT be a TCLUG meeting tomorrow. > There will be one next Saturday, November 11th at Benchmark Computing. > (See website for more details) The topic of the meeting is going to be > "File Systems" but I am still looking for some speakers. I already have > someone who is going to talk about LVM (and hopefully GFS. Ben?), but I > would also like to have someone talk about ext3, XFS, JFS, or anything > else related to Linux filesystems. If you are willing to talk for a few > minutes, please let me know. > > Thanks. > > Clay Fandre > cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From dchristian at macalester.edu Sat Nov 4 10:05:29 2000 From: dchristian at macalester.edu (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery References: Message-ID: <000b01c04679$0d9c2d20$0500000a@localdomain> Man, that was a life saver! Much more useful than the default redhat rescue disk! My honor's project is now safely networked off to another computer which hopefully will not have the same hard drive problems! Thanks again, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery > Tom's rootboot!!! > > It's basically a rescue disk with a ton of utils on it. > > http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery > > > you might try reinstalling a fresh OS onto a different drive, then > mount your old partitions as data paratitions and attempt to fsck > them with you correctly working OS. also explore the alternate > superblock backups (man fsck?) to increase you chances. > not sure if there are any other options out there. dont forget to > check lost+found for file remnants especially if you have very > important data to recover. > > > At 07:37 PM 11/3/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I managed to screw up my hard drive to the point where it won't boot > >anymore--fsck locks up when it tries to fix it, before that started > >happening, it was corrupted already due to a bad ./configure script (not > >written by me, btw) that managed to lock up my computer to the point of > >making 'ps' not even work. > > > >In debugging that configure script I stupidly forced several hard reboots > on > >my computer (no real classy way to shut down a computer that can't even > >figure out the pids of its processes) and now I can't get at the data on > the > >hard drive. Unfortunately, I had my honor's project on there (a large > final > >project I need to have finished to graduate from school next semester.) > > > >So, generally, is there some way to get at this data if the inodes are > >corrupted? Without spending mucho bucks that I don't have on a data > >recovery team? > > > >Thanks, > >Dave > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From veldy at veldy.net Sat Nov 4 11:58:11 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23493] can't compile nkfs-4.2.1 (man7.2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What you show below are only warnings - and these should not stop a build. Can you send the "error" that you are getting? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > I've heard that caldera's kernel module nkfs is very picky about the > kernel that it is compiled on, but the latest source from > ftp://ftp.calderasystems.com/pub/opensource/nkfs/ says it works with 2.2.5 > and up. I've got the default mandrake 7.2 source (2.2.17) installed, but > when I try to compile nkfs I get: > > [lueyb@pclueyb nkfs-4.2.1]$ make > make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/nkfs-4.2.1/src' > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer > -DMODULE -DM > ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o > nkfs_driver.o n > kfs_driver.c > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer > -DMODULE -DM > ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o > nkfs_main.o nkf > s_main.c > /tmp/ccqK9gGE.s: Assembler messages: > /tmp/ccqK9gGE.s:9: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for > .modinfo > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer > -DMODULE -DM > ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o > nkfs_inode.o nk > fs_inode.c > nkfs_inode.c:119: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type > nkfs_inode.c:151: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type > nkfs_inode.c: In function `nkfs_read_super': > nkfs_inode.c:1523: warning: unused variable `zfiles' > nkfs_inode.c:1522: warning: unused variable `flags' > nkfs_inode.c: At top level: > nkfs_inode.c:184: warning: `nkfs_hash_dentry' defined but not used > nkfs_inode.c:197: warning: `nkfs_compare_dentry' defined but not used > nkfs_inode.c:215: warning: `nkfs_delete_dentry' defined but not used > nkfs_inode.c:238: warning: `nkfs_release_dentry' defined but not used > nkfs_inode.c:245: warning: `nkfs_iput_dentry' defined but not used > ld -r -o nkfs.o nkfs_driver.o nkfs_main.o nkfs_inode.o > > Anyone get nkfs to compile? Any ideas on what I can do to get it to > compile? > > > Ben > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Nov 4 12:12:38 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23489] Using wine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Thanks for the tip. That works fine. Cool (: > Unfortunately, my app still doesn't run. It's a very simple app (win16, no > less) so I'm surprised that it doesn't work. I type: > $ wine /windows/c/gmwin/gmwin.exe What's that app supposed to do? I got Netscape 0.9 to work under Wine (: -Yaron -- From blayer at uswest.net Sat Nov 4 12:48:14 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23493] can't compile nkfs-4.2.1 (man7.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00110412525600.00448@homer> Hi Ben, Tom, Ben, did you look in the nkfs source tree for a file called nkfs.o? What you see are only warnings, and the last line looks like an error-free linker message: > > ld -r -o nkfs.o nkfs_driver.o nkfs_main.o nkfs_inode.o From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 4 13:13:10 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery Message-ID: I keep like 10 copies of that thing floating around everywhere, in my house, my car, my gym bag, work... everywhere. It's saved my ass a few times. Plus, if you screw up a windows 98 drive to the point where the windows disk checker thing dies, Tom's rootboot is about the only way to fix it (fsck.msdos). There's another one somewhere that uses 3 disks and has a copy of X on it also. I forget the name of it now. It's not nearly as useful as Tom's, but it's pretty cool. Jay -----Original Message----- From: David Christian [mailto:dchristian@macalester.edu] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:05 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery Man, that was a life saver! Much more useful than the default redhat rescue disk! My honor's project is now safely networked off to another computer which hopefully will not have the same hard drive problems! Thanks again, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery > Tom's rootboot!!! > > It's basically a rescue disk with a ton of utils on it. > > http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23490] Disaster recovery > > > you might try reinstalling a fresh OS onto a different drive, then > mount your old partitions as data paratitions and attempt to fsck > them with you correctly working OS. also explore the alternate > superblock backups (man fsck?) to increase you chances. > not sure if there are any other options out there. dont forget to > check lost+found for file remnants especially if you have very > important data to recover. > > > At 07:37 PM 11/3/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I managed to screw up my hard drive to the point where it won't boot > >anymore--fsck locks up when it tries to fix it, before that started > >happening, it was corrupted already due to a bad ./configure script (not > >written by me, btw) that managed to lock up my computer to the point of > >making 'ps' not even work. > > > >In debugging that configure script I stupidly forced several hard reboots > on > >my computer (no real classy way to shut down a computer that can't even > >figure out the pids of its processes) and now I can't get at the data on > the > >hard drive. Unfortunately, I had my honor's project on there (a large > final > >project I need to have finished to graduate from school next semester.) > > > >So, generally, is there some way to get at this data if the inodes are > >corrupted? Without spending mucho bucks that I don't have on a data > >recovery team? > > > >Thanks, > >Dave > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 4 13:44:48 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23456] Speaking of VNC... Message-ID: I just installed x2vnc at home now also. Now I can use my nice keyboard and trackball on my linux box, and just scroll the cursor off the linux desktop right into my win2k monitor sitting to the left of it. It's not slower at all, it works great. No more typing on the wrong keyboard!! Woohoo! Apparently I've been living under a rock or something since I never knew about this before. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23456] Speaking of VNC... Actually, I changed it to 800x600 and it's much better. I had a very intricate background too which I did away with. It's still noticably slower than actually being at the console, but it's not bad. VNC is sweet. I can't believe I didn't play with it sooner. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23456] Speaking of VNC... > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Hmmm, I already have mine set up like this and it's still > slow. Characters > > take nearly a half seconf to come up when typed, and menus > are slow also. > > > > I'm running 1280x1024 though, would that make a difference? > I am using > > -bgr233 also. > > > > It's probally the high-res that's slowing you down. My servers run at > 800x600 extremely fast. Some people run their workstations a > bit higher, and > it takes noticibly longer to load, espicatlly if they have a > background > wallpaper. Try setting your windows background to one solid > color. That > generally speeds things up, espically when you use the > -bgr233 option. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Nov 4 14:43:03 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] JOB? Message-ID: <00110414450700.47256@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey. I've got my CCNA and desperately need a job in the computer field. Anyone looking for someone who knows the basics of internet routing, FreeBSD/linux, apache, sendmail, Windoze/WindozeNT or know someone who does? Thanks Eric -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sat Nov 4 15:15:23 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Linux C programming books? Message-ID: I have started learning the C language recently, and I wonder if anyone on the list might have good suggestions for programming books in C that they might recommend. I like programming books that start you off in the language, but make lots of references to Linux/Unix system calls and how the kernel and modules work. I am trying to avoid for the time being spending hours and hours going over the types of programming books that merely address algorithm A and algorithm B, C, D, super advanced sorts and what not. I am interested in learning more about how Linux works through learning C. I can save the in depth algorith analysis for later. I *DO* have the O'Reilly Practical C programming book, and have been shown the Linux Programmers Bible. Something along those lines. Any other suggestions anyone can make? Thank you. - Jamie From nate at techie.com Sat Nov 4 16:03:27 2000 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 03:15:23PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001104160327.A13349@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 03:15:23PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I have started learning the C language recently, and I wonder if > anyone on the list might have good suggestions for programming books in C > that they might recommend. I like programming books that start you off in First, you should have the C Language Reference by Kernighan and Richie. It's the bible as far as the language is concerned. Second, I would recommend Beginning Linux Programming, published by Wrox Press. I wish I had bought the first edition years prior to when I bought the second edition. It covers all of the great Linux/Unix programming tools including files, sockets, IPC, dbm, shared memory, etc. It also includes some great chapters on other Linux related languages like shell, Perl and Tcl/tk. It reads well (for a programming book) and the examples are great. If you get beyond that, Professional Linux Programming was just published. It continues on into the realm of applications programming without duplicating anything that was in Beginning Linux Programming. Nate From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Nov 4 18:02:55 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My mandrake and nkfs story In-Reply-To: <00110412525600.00448@homer> Message-ID: > Ben, did you look in the nkfs source tree for a file called nkfs.o? > What you see are only warnings, and the last line looks like an error-free > linker message: > > > > ld -r -o nkfs.o nkfs_driver.o nkfs_main.o nkfs_inode.o Well, it is working now. The story is that something very bad happened to my computer while I was trying to get Xfree-4.0 to run. The computer crashed and ever since it would hang on various init scripts. I could get into single mode, but it would hand on some things in init 2. If I took them out I could get to init 2 but I couldn't get into multiuser mode. I did a ping at one point and it worked, but I couldn't stop it with contorl-c or z. I had to reboot, only the reboot scrits from control-alt-delete failed, I had to but power. Long story short, I did a fresh install of mandrake 7.2 (not ungrade) (so nice to have a separate /home partition) and now the nkfs.o module will load, whereas before it wouldn't (I that it was a compile problem, but maybe it was something else). Anyway, this has fixed my sendmail problems. The lesson, I guess is that sometimes upgrades don't work too well. Thanks for all the help, Ben From destef at destef.com Sat Nov 4 18:11:19 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011050011.SAA02517@mail.destef.com> I originally learned C++ (in college 4-5 years ago) and then when I found I prefered Linux Systems Programming I just learned what in C++ and not C and "ignored" the C++ stuff. I primarily concentrate on C these days. What distinguishes the good programmers from the average ones is the ability to unnderstand/use more complex algorithms. I'd suggest trying to not get into the habit of substituting poor algorithms to avoid having the learn them. Learn the algorithns as you learn the system calls. Also, an important part of being a good C programmer is understanding pointers and how to use them to your advantage. Here are some of the books that I've found very helpful: "The C Programming Language" (Kernighan & Ritchie, Prentice Hall) This is the "C Bible". Anyone that doesnt own this book is not a real C programmer. Written by the guys that invested C and it covers C completely. The only downside is that they dont waste any time explaining things which sometimes requires you to read a paragraph 10 or more times to really understand it. Explanations are quick and concise. Buy this book first regardless. "Systems Programming for SVR4" (O'Reilly & Associates) If you understand the basics of C, this is an excellent book to get you started with OS calls. Its for UNIX in general but Linux follows many of the system calls in this book. Highly recommended. "Practical C++ Programming" (O'Reilly & Associates) Has a lot of C++ but it contrasts it with how to do things in C so its a good resource either way. "Developing Linux Applications" (Harlow, New Riders) This is a good place to start if you want to learn about Gtk/Gdk programming. But I'd suggest getting comfortable with C and CLI systems programming first, then branch into Xwindows next. "Mastering Algorithms with C" (O'Reilly & Associates) This book covers many subjects that a textbook in college I used did. It brings O'Reilly's simplicity to the subject matter which is a huge plus. This a good algorithms/sorting/etc book. "Algorithms in C, 3rd edition" (Robert Sedgewick) An even more advanced algorithms book. I dont suggest starting here until you are looking for advance algorothm ideas. Once your ready, take a look at this book. And most of all, try the man pages for linux functions. If you know the function name the man page is a godsend for programmers. Also, if you have specific C questions, feel free to ask them. I'll do my best to answer. Jason At 03:15 PM 11/4/00 -0600, you wrote: > > > I have started learning the C language recently, and I wonder if >anyone on the list might have good suggestions for programming books in C >that they might recommend. I like programming books that start you off in >the language, but make lots of references to Linux/Unix system calls and >how the kernel and modules work. I am trying to avoid for the time being >spending hours and hours going over the types of programming books that >merely address algorithm A and algorithm B, C, D, super advanced sorts and >what not. I am interested in learning more about how Linux works through >learning C. I can save the in depth algorith analysis for later. I *DO* >have the O'Reilly Practical C programming book, and have been shown the >Linux Programmers Bible. Something along those lines. Any other >suggestions anyone can make? Thank you. > > - Jamie > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 4 19:27:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23504] My mandrake and nkfs story Message-ID: Doh, I just had an upgrade crap out on me too. Mandrake 7.1 to 7.2. My SCSI cdrom seems to have died a horrible death after half of the packages were installed. I just bought a new IDE cdrom to replace it. Hopefully the upgrade will still work. FYI, Tran Micro has 256MB PC133 Micron SDIMM's for $169, and 128MB for $79. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Luey [mailto:lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 6:03 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:23504] My mandrake and nkfs story > Ben, did you look in the nkfs source tree for a file called nkfs.o? > What you see are only warnings, and the last line looks like an error-free > linker message: > > > > ld -r -o nkfs.o nkfs_driver.o nkfs_main.o nkfs_inode.o Well, it is working now. The story is that something very bad happened to my computer while I was trying to get Xfree-4.0 to run. The computer crashed and ever since it would hang on various init scripts. I could get into single mode, but it would hand on some things in init 2. If I took them out I could get to init 2 but I couldn't get into multiuser mode. I did a ping at one point and it worked, but I couldn't stop it with contorl-c or z. I had to reboot, only the reboot scrits from control-alt-delete failed, I had to but power. Long story short, I did a fresh install of mandrake 7.2 (not ungrade) (so nice to have a separate /home partition) and now the nkfs.o module will load, whereas before it wouldn't (I that it was a compile problem, but maybe it was something else). Anyway, this has fixed my sendmail problems. The lesson, I guess is that sometimes upgrades don't work too well. Thanks for all the help, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Sat Nov 4 19:49:34 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Servers for UMN dialup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I have a friend who is trying to get Mandrake 6.2 to dialup his UMN account. We basically got it to connect so that you could ping servers, but under Windows the DNS servers were assigned dynamically so we didn't know what to set those to. I'm sure there must be someone else here who uses the UMN dialups. What do you use for the DNS? Thanks, Brent From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 4 19:56:36 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23507] DNS Servers for UMN dialup Message-ID: Back when I was using them ~3 years ago, it was: 128.101.101.101 and 134.84.84.84 -----Original Message----- From: linux@bmetzler.org [mailto:linux@bmetzler.org] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:23507] DNS Servers for UMN dialup Hello, I have a friend who is trying to get Mandrake 6.2 to dialup his UMN account. We basically got it to connect so that you could ping servers, but under Windows the DNS servers were assigned dynamically so we didn't know what to set those to. I'm sure there must be someone else here who uses the UMN dialups. What do you use for the DNS? Thanks, Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 20:05:19 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? Message-ID: <20001105020519.90400.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I have started learning the C language recently, > and I wonder if > anyone on the list might have good suggestions for > programming books in C.... Jamie, Might I suggest "Beginning Linux Programming" by Richard Stones and Neil Matthew (2nd ED. WROX PRESS PUB., ISBN 1-861002-97-1) $39.99 The other publication I might suggest is the "WHITE PAPER SERIES : The Complete LINUX KERNEL in C". It is available through your local chain book store... runs about $40.00 or so... I am putting it on the shopping list... my son wants to convert it into C++... OY! Manny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 4 20:13:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? Message-ID: >list... my son wants to convert it into C++... OY! Can't the kernel slowly be converted to C++ since everything in C is perfectly valid in C++? This would be a good way to do a nice thorough code audit also. :) Of course, I'm not a full time programmer, so I'm probably wrong. Jay -----Original Message----- From: grey Moon-Wolf [mailto:mtsqph@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I have started learning the C language recently, > and I wonder if > anyone on the list might have good suggestions for > programming books in C.... Jamie, Might I suggest "Beginning Linux Programming" by Richard Stones and Neil Matthew (2nd ED. WROX PRESS PUB., ISBN 1-861002-97-1) $39.99 The other publication I might suggest is the "WHITE PAPER SERIES : The Complete LINUX KERNEL in C". It is available through your local chain book store... runs about $40.00 or so... I am putting it on the shopping list... my son wants to convert it into C++... OY! Manny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Nov 4 21:15:49 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23507] DNS Servers for UMN dialup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 128.101.101.101 is ns1.unet.umn.edu In windows (tm) you can do Start(tm) -> Run(tm) -> winipcfg(tm) (or ipconfig(tm) depending on which "version" of Windows(tm) you have). This will tell you the current IP settings, including DNS servers. Windows is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > Hello, > I have a friend who is trying to get Mandrake 6.2 to dialup his UMN > account. We basically got it to connect so that you could ping servers, > but under Windows the DNS servers were assigned dynamically so we didn't > know what to set those to. > > I'm sure there must be someone else here who uses the UMN dialups. What > do you use for the DNS? > > Thanks, > Brent > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Nov 4 21:43:05 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23483] [Fwd: Caldera] In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 04:18:40PM -0600 References: <3A03340C.AFB48C30@calderasystems.com> Message-ID: <20001104214305.A39731@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Heh, to tell the truth, I can barely even remember this thread. I'll have to dig through the archives. I usually blurt things out and then promptly forget them and their context :) Gabe On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 04:18:40PM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > > If it weren't for Caldera, you wouldn't be using Netscape on Linux or > > using RPMs for package management. > > > He makes it sound like RPMs are a benefit somehow... > > Heh, Gabe using RPMs - that'll be the day > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Nov 4 22:57:54 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? References: Message-ID: <3A04E8D2.F3BE496F@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > >list... my son wants to convert it into C++... OY! > > Can't the kernel slowly be converted to C++ since everything in C is > perfectly valid in C++? This would be a good way to do a nice thorough code > audit also. :) > > Of course, I'm not a full time programmer, so I'm probably wrong. http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s1-4 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2000-39/0642.html Follow the thread. From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 5 01:04:32 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aviplay/avifile Message-ID: Hey, Has anyone got aviplay to compile/work under Red Hat 6.2? I couldn't get it to compile and the RPMs die with weird errors... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 5 04:13:39 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23380] TV-OUT? In-Reply-To: <20001101190442.A15043@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Tim Sandquist wrote: > Well, you'll probably win. I don't know. Still haven't managed to find a cable. I'll try The Shack tomorrow if I remember... -Yaron -- From destef at destef.com Sun Nov 5 09:02:24 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011051502.JAA03335@mail.destef.com> Ack...blasphemy!! I hope it never gets ported to C++. C compilers usually support more options that do C++ compilers. Not that that C++ cant, the compiler technology just isnt quite there yet. C code also creates smaller and faster bins and should (imho) be the preferred choice anywhere performace and bin size are needed (ie. OS's, embedded code, etc.). Leave C++ and bloatware to Microsoft!!! Cheers! At 08:13 PM 11/4/00 -0600, you wrote: >>list... my son wants to convert it into C++... OY! > >Can't the kernel slowly be converted to C++ since everything in C is >perfectly valid in C++? This would be a good way to do a nice thorough code >audit also. :) > >Of course, I'm not a full time programmer, so I'm probably wrong. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: grey Moon-Wolf [mailto:mtsqph@yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:05 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23503] Good Linux C programming books? > > > >--- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: >> >> >> I have started learning the C language recently, >> and I wonder if >> anyone on the list might have good suggestions for >> programming books in C.... > >Jamie, >Might I suggest "Beginning Linux Programming" by >Richard Stones and Neil Matthew (2nd ED. WROX PRESS >PUB., ISBN 1-861002-97-1) $39.99 >The other publication I might suggest is the "WHITE >PAPER SERIES : The Complete LINUX KERNEL in C". It is >available through your local chain book store... runs >about $40.00 or so... I am putting it on the shopping >list... my son wants to convert it into C++... OY! >Manny > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Nov 5 10:13:01 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nwclient works-ish Message-ID: So now that I've got nkfs compiled and load, and caldera's nwclient+utils-4.2.2-2 installed, I think I'm almost there. nwlogin works fine. I can authorize myself into the nds tree or individual servers. I can't seem to mount nds stuff though. When I try: sudo nwmount -t carleton -v fabio_phy.stu.acad.carleton ~/netware I get nwmount: Unable to mount errno fffffff3. Or sometimes fffffffb of ffffffff I can't find any documentation on this error (I get error nomuber ffffffff if I try to use root in case sudo causes problems). Before, I was sucessful in mounting the volume by using server=fabio volume=usr, so I thought it was the tree specficiation that wasn't working, but now I get the same error when I try to mount that way. It seems that something died, and now I can't mount netware volumes. I tried logining in and out, but that didn't fix anything. Also, is there a way to browse the netware tree (like you can from windows) to find where the printers and servers are. (slist and pqlist equivalents) I'm using Mandrake 7.2 with 2.2.17 kernel and nwclient+utils-4.2.2 Ben From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Nov 5 10:34:20 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23517] nwclient works-ish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Umm... nevermind. I just remembered about the /Netware directory it creates that lets me browse everything and have access to all the files etc. Now to test printing, Thanks, Ben On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > So now that I've got nkfs compiled and load, and caldera's > nwclient+utils-4.2.2-2 installed, I think I'm almost there. nwlogin works > fine. I can authorize myself into the nds tree or individual servers. I > can't seem to mount nds stuff though. When I try: > > sudo nwmount -t carleton -v fabio_phy.stu.acad.carleton ~/netware > > I get > > nwmount: Unable to mount errno fffffff3. Or sometimes fffffffb of > ffffffff > > I can't find any documentation on this error (I get error nomuber ffffffff > if I try to use root in case sudo causes problems). Before, I was > sucessful in mounting the volume by using server=fabio volume=usr, so I > thought it was the tree specficiation that wasn't working, but now I get > the same error when I try to mount that way. It seems that something died, > and now I can't mount netware volumes. I tried logining in and out, but > that didn't fix anything. > > Also, is there a way to browse the netware tree (like you can from > windows) to find where the printers and servers are. (slist and pqlist > equivalents) > > I'm using Mandrake 7.2 with 2.2.17 kernel and nwclient+utils-4.2.2 > > Ben > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From chrome at real-time.com Sun Nov 5 10:48:33 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23400] procmail, new mail notification In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:21:12AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001105104833.E6377@real-time.com> > Procmail is very cool! I can't believe I haven't set up something > like this before. Makes it much easier to handle all the e-mail > that I get every day. procmail is very cool, and most people here at Real-Time would die under the weight of their own e-mail without it. however, since I set up procmail to shuffle mailling-list stuff off to other mailboxes; I haven't been reading TCLUG stuff more than a couple of times a day. :( If I get ambitious, I might open another mutt session to watch my other mailboxes; but otherwise I'll probably be even less communicative than I have been lately. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Nov 5 11:56:32 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] JOB? Message-ID: <00110414464202.47256@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey. I've got my CCNA and desperately need a job in the computer field. Anyone looking for someone who knows the basics of internet routing, FreeBSD/linux, apache, sendmail, Windoze/WindozeNT or know someone who does? Thanks Eric -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net ------------------------------------------------------- -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 5 12:11:35 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23456] Speaking of VNC... References: Message-ID: <3A05A2D7.F2ED9A87@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I just installed x2vnc at home now also. Now I can use my nice keyboard and > trackball on my linux box, and just scroll the cursor off the linux desktop > right into my win2k monitor sitting to the left of it. It's not slower at > all, it works great. > > No more typing on the wrong keyboard!! Woohoo! Apparently I've been living > under a rock or something since I never knew about this before. But I just have to ask -- what happens if the 'doze box crashes? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Cogito, eggo sum." I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ think, therefore I am a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) waffle. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 5 12:13:25 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23514] aviplay/avifile References: Message-ID: <3A05A345.AF65DF1A@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > Has anyone got aviplay to compile/work under Red Hat 6.2? I couldn't get > it to compile and the RPMs die with weird errors... I got it to compile and run, but I couldn't figure out where/how to get some of the plugins, so I went and got the RPMs (turned out that the files I neeeded were on the same page as the RPMs... *shrug*) What sort of errors are you getting? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Sorry, Try Again. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 5 12:16:28 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23456] Speaking of VNC... Message-ID: Don't know. Believe it or not, I've never had this w2k box blue screen. The only time I've had them blue screen on me is when I'm using openGL stuff. Although, I have apps crash all the time, at least it doesn't take the whole box down like it would on 9x or NT. The only reason I really use it is for using Outlook and viewing videos on Sputnik7.com and iFilm.com. BTW, if you want to watch 2 hour long Anime films on the web, sputnik7.com has a ton of them. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23456] Speaking of VNC... "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I just installed x2vnc at home now also. Now I can use my nice keyboard and > trackball on my linux box, and just scroll the cursor off the linux desktop > right into my win2k monitor sitting to the left of it. It's not slower at > all, it works great. > > No more typing on the wrong keyboard!! Woohoo! Apparently I've been living > under a rock or something since I never knew about this before. But I just have to ask -- what happens if the 'doze box crashes? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Cogito, eggo sum." I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ think, therefore I am a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) waffle. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Nov 5 13:05:20 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23400] procmail, new mail notification In-Reply-To: <20001105104833.E6377@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 10:48:33AM -0600 References: <20001105104833.E6377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001105130520.A24458@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 10:48:33AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> Procmail is very cool! I can't believe I haven't set up something >> like this before. Makes it much easier to handle all the e-mail >> that I get every day. > >however, since I set up procmail to shuffle mailling-list stuff off to >other mailboxes; I haven't been reading TCLUG stuff more than a couple of >times a day. :( mutt -y is your friend. > >If I get ambitious, I might open another mutt session to watch my other >mailboxes; but otherwise I'll probably be even less communicative than I >have been lately. :) > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 5 13:47:19 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23514] aviplay/avifile In-Reply-To: <3A05A345.AF65DF1A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > What sort of errors are you getting? > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Sorry, Try Again. Heh, I tried again. Got it from CVS and now it's working fine... -Yaron -- From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net Sun Nov 5 15:37:20 2000 From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networking Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001105152852.00aaa3c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I am trying to connect my linux box to the Internet. I got it to connect once, then rebooted. Now it won't. I don't remember what I did to get it to go. I have AT&T broadband and am using pump for the dhcp and the tulip driver for the network card is loaded. According to the how-to pump needs a host name, just anything will work so I have used the example "-h fubar". So where do I add the "-h fubar" so that it is part of the boot process, and how do I get my connection to work. I notice when I do pump -h fubar the PC-Link status and the PC Link Activity will blink a couple of times (I have a 3Com external cable modem). ifconfig doesn't report the eth0, just the loopback. Please help, I was very exciting when I had it connected at one time, it was a great triumph, but now I am beaten down again. John Miller From dusk at ravendusk.org Sun Nov 5 17:02:38 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23489] Using wine In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 08:32:47AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001105170238.B29945@ravendusk.org> On Nov 04, 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Unfortunately, my app still doesn't run. It's a very simple app (win16, no > less) so I'm surprised that it doesn't work. I type: > > $ wine /windows/c/gmwin/gmwin.exe > > nothing happens for 5 seconds or so and then I get my prompt back with no > error messages or anything. Anybody have any suggestions? Yah, hmmm. Not sure how well win16 support is working these days. More effort is being put into win32, potentially at the expense of win16. You might try generating some debug logs (which can be pretty huge, depending on which debug channels you turn on). You can get a list of command-line options with $ wine --help ...and a list of debug channels with this hack: $ wine --debugmsg +xxx The "xxx" channel doesn't exist, so Wine prints out the list of valid ones. It'd be nice to be able to get that list directly. Not sure, but you may need to include your app on that command line, too. You can probably start with the "module" channel, to make sure Wine isn't bailing cuz it can't find something. You might also try the latest Wine CVS (you didn't mention which version you were running). I think wine patch submissions average at 3-5 patches per day, so development is pretty furious. (c: $ wine --debugmsg +module /windows/c/gmwin/gmwin.exe Finally, if you haven't checked out http://wine.codeweavers.com/docs lately, do so! Also, we have bugzilla up and running there too, so feel free to submit a bug report, if you can narrow it down more (your current description wouldn't be much help, of course). (c; Good luck! John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Mon Nov 6 00:04:09 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sudo problem I'm user, but with rights Message-ID: So I finally setup sudo to use instaed of suid-ing programs. But nwmount (which must be run as root) doesn't like being sudoed -- it now works (sorta) but only if I run nwmount as root. I have in sudoers: User_Alias LUEYB=lueyb Cmnd_Alias NETWARE=/usr/bin/nwmount LUEYB ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: TIME, NETWARE But when I run 'sudo nwmount -S blah blah' I get an error connecting. I think the problem is that I ran nwlogin as lueyb (as I want to), but nwmount is running as root. If I do nwlogin as root, and nwmount it works fine, but I don't want to do this. Is there a way to use sudo so I can as a normal user run nwmount with the privlidges I need, but still have it know that I'm lueyb, the one who logged on to netware? Thanks, Ben From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 00:28:04 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New mailer In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001103174721.00d38c80@pop.mn.mediaone.net>; from johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 05:52:21PM -0600 References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001103174721.00d38c80@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20001106002804.B20107@real-time.com> Quoting John Miller (johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net): > I don't know if this is a result of the recent upgrade or something is. I > did a search for "network" from the webpage and among all the results I > tried the first few and found that they were broken. Here is a few of them: > > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg02537.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg01309.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg02734.html > > Now here are a few that work: > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Mar/msg00235.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Mar/msg00210.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Nov/msg00796.html Admin error. I am working on it now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 00:28:04 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New mailer In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001103174721.00d38c80@pop.mn.mediaone.net>; from johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 05:52:21PM -0600 References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001103174721.00d38c80@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20001106002804.B20107@real-time.com> Quoting John Miller (johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net): > I don't know if this is a result of the recent upgrade or something is. I > did a search for "network" from the webpage and among all the results I > tried the first few and found that they were broken. Here is a few of them: > > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg02537.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg01309.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/Attic/All/msg02734.html > > Now here are a few that work: > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Mar/msg00235.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Mar/msg00210.html > http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/1999/Nov/msg00796.html Admin error. I am working on it now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 01:42:53 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Casette->MP3 ? Message-ID: <20001106014253.X20107@real-time.com> What is the best way to get audio casettes into MP3 format? Yes, I know the quality will suck. I am interested in taking my dictions/notes for a mini-tape recorder and MP3-ing the data and make those notes part of the project. Ie, you could cvs co my notes and listen to what I have to say, :-) Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 6 01:55:27 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23529] Casette->MP3 ? In-Reply-To: <20001106014253.X20107@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > What is the best way to get audio casettes into MP3 format? Connect the taperecorder's headphones out to the soundcards mic or line-in, and use... er. I seem to have a prog called 'record' in /usr/local/bin but I don't know where I got it... there's a 'rec' that comes with sox that'll record to a wav. Then bladeend or notlame it to MP3. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 03:08:44 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Archives are back online Message-ID: <20001106030844.A24476@real-time.com> The archives should be back online and working now. Please let me know if there are any other problems. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blayer at uswest.net Mon Nov 6 09:22:09 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:23529] Casette->MP3 ? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001106091005.00a6a100@192.168.210.18> If your cassette deck has a 'line' out (like most home stereo decks do) I'd suggest using it, as opposed to the headphone output. The signal at the headphone jack is pretty hot (not necessarily bad), but it also carries all of the noise of the output section along with it. Use the 'line' out to help maintain your S/N ratio. Also, don't discount the sonic performance of a cassette tape source. Assuming a well-adjusted deck with good heads, and a quality medium, cassette can be a very high fidelity source. Too much blame has been laid on cassettes, due to the way the tapes (and players) get treated in automotive installations. A quality cassette is quite capable of standing up to, or even outperforming a CD. Bill From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 09:48:29 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23487] backdoor access to frontpage extension passwords? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > Hi - I'm trying to get access to some files via a windows system, but they > are stored on a linux box. It looks like they were created using front > page extensions, but no one is around anymore with access to the files. > Therefore, I need to reset the passwords, or create new users, but of > course have to go in the back way - FP Extensions under Apache use standard .htaccess for authentication. Search around for htaccess in the directories. > If I try to connect to the share via samba, I cannot do anything with > these files, however, if I log into the linux box and edit the files > directly, I have no problems at all. Samba? On a web server? Hope you got a kick-butt firewall. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Nov 6 10:02:38 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X 4.01 Cursor problem Message-ID: <3A06D61E.C12FFE46@innominatus.com> I just updated with debians 4.01 deb's. I have 2 questions. 1. My cursor shows up as a big block of static. I thought I used to fix problems like that by specifying hardware or software cursor, but I dont see that kind of option in the XF86Config-4 file. 2. Where in Debian do you specify the default window manager, doesnt appear to be /etc/X11/window-managers anymore. And when did it change? From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 6 10:31:31 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23534] X 4.01 Cursor problem References: <3A06D61E.C12FFE46@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3A06DCE3.1CDA676F@ltiflex.com> > 1. My cursor shows up as a big block of static. I thought I used to fix > problems like that by specifying hardware or software cursor, but I dont > see that kind of option in the XF86Config-4 file. What video card do you have? Did you check to be sure it was supported in XFree 4.0.1 before you installed it? XFree4 dropped support for alot of older video cards (at least for the initial release) > 2. Where in Debian do you specify the default window manager, doesnt > appear to be /etc/X11/window-managers anymore. And when did it change? /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager You should probally man 8 update-alternatives before changing anything. This default is only followed if you have no .xsession (Wiht XDM) or select the Debian option with GDM. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001106/93345921/andyzb.vcf From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Nov 6 10:47:18 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail rbl FEATURE Message-ID: <20001106104718.B42520@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ok, I want to set up real-time blackholing on a mail server running sendmail 8.9.3. My major concern is what will happen if one of the lookup hosts (e.g. rbl.maps.vix.com) suddenly becomes unavailable (either because our network goes down, or the lookup host goes down). Does anyone know? Will it time out (good) or will my server stop delivering mail until it can see the lookup host again (bad)? I couldn't find any info either way and I don't feel like parsing the code at the moment :) Any info would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Nov 6 10:55:24 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23534] X 4.01 Cursor problem References: <3A06D61E.C12FFE46@innominatus.com> <3A06DCE3.1CDA676F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A06E27C.D670499F@innominatus.com> I am using a SiS 6326 or a 620, I cant remember, but both are supported. Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > 1. My cursor shows up as a big block of static. I thought I used to fix > > problems like that by specifying hardware or software cursor, but I dont > > see that kind of option in the XF86Config-4 file. > > What video card do you have? Did you check to be sure it was supported in > XFree 4.0.1 before you installed it? XFree4 dropped support for alot of > older video cards (at least for the initial release) > > > 2. Where in Debian do you specify the default window manager, doesnt > > appear to be /etc/X11/window-managers anymore. And when did it change? > > /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager > > You should probally man 8 update-alternatives before changing anything. > > This default is only followed if you have no .xsession (Wiht XDM) or select > the Debian option with GDM. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Nov 6 10:49:48 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23536] sendmail rbl FEATURE In-Reply-To: <20001106104718.B42520@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: The default action will be to accept mail, if one of the rbl servers goes down. If you have a high-enough mail volume you can sign Vix' indemnification agreement and they'll let you stealth-zone xfer the rbl zone so you can query your local server. This makes a huge speed difference if you do large volumes of mail. You can also subscribe via BGP, if you have anything that speaks it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Ok, I want to set up real-time blackholing on a mail server running > sendmail 8.9.3. My major concern is what will happen if one of the lookup > hosts (e.g. rbl.maps.vix.com) suddenly becomes unavailable (either because > our network goes down, or the lookup host goes down). Does anyone know? > Will it time out (good) or will my server stop delivering mail until it can > see the lookup host again (bad)? I couldn't find any info either way and I > don't feel like parsing the code at the moment :) Any info would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Nov 6 10:59:19 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23536] sendmail rbl FEATURE In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:49:48AM -0600 References: <20001106104718.B42520@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001106105919.C42520@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:49:48AM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > The default action will be to accept mail, if one of the rbl servers goes > down. Awesome. > > If you have a high-enough mail volume you can sign Vix' indemnification > agreement and they'll let you stealth-zone xfer the rbl zone so you can > query your local server. This makes a huge speed difference if you do > large volumes of mail. Well, I'll have to see about it. We get thousands of messages a day. I just saw this on their site too: "NOTE: we are reworking the zone transfer agreement and policy, and therefore cannot accept new requests at this time. If you would like to be notified of new developments, please let us know. We plan to have the new documents ready for release shortly." So, I'll just have to do it in "inquiry" mode for now. > > You can also subscribe via BGP, if you have anything that speaks it. Don't think I do. Thanks for the info! Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 6 11:02:52 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23536] sendmail rbl FEATURE Message-ID: > You can also subscribe via BGP, if you have anything that speaks it. >Don't think I do. Sure you do, gated speaks it, so does MRTd (not MRTG! :). Jay -----Original Message----- From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:59 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23536] sendmail rbl FEATURE On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:49:48AM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > The default action will be to accept mail, if one of the rbl servers goes > down. Awesome. > > If you have a high-enough mail volume you can sign Vix' indemnification > agreement and they'll let you stealth-zone xfer the rbl zone so you can > query your local server. This makes a huge speed difference if you do > large volumes of mail. Well, I'll have to see about it. We get thousands of messages a day. I just saw this on their site too: "NOTE: we are reworking the zone transfer agreement and policy, and therefore cannot accept new requests at this time. If you would like to be notified of new developments, please let us know. We plan to have the new documents ready for release shortly." So, I'll just have to do it in "inquiry" mode for now. > > You can also subscribe via BGP, if you have anything that speaks it. Don't think I do. Thanks for the info! Gabe -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kethry at winternet.com Mon Nov 6 12:18:36 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Frontpage extensions on linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > FP Extensions under Apache use standard .htaccess for authentication. > > Search around for htaccess in the directories. *nod* found that in about several million subdirectories! .htaccess wasn't the problem - it was the configuration references. > Samba? On a web server? Hope you got a kick-butt firewall. :) Internal only - and definitely yes. -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 12:20:51 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23541] Frontpage extensions on linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > FP Extensions under Apache use standard .htaccess for authentication. > > > > Search around for htaccess in the directories. > > *nod* found that in about several million subdirectories! .htaccess wasn't > the problem - it was the configuration references. IIRC, the one you need to be worried about is in _vti_pvt, and is actually called 'service.pwd' (oops, sorry.. brainfart. heh) if you reset that user's password, you should be able to publish with the username and pass. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 12:24:51 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23541] Frontpage extensions on linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > IIRC, the one you need to be worried about is in _vti_pvt, and is actually > > called 'service.pwd' (oops, sorry.. brainfart. heh) > > > > if you reset that user's password, you should be able to publish with the > > username and pass. > > tried that - but it uses an encryption formula, so I think there's > something I'm missing...:/ > > Thank you!!! > Liz Yeah, run 'htpasswd service.pwd ', and type in the password you'd like. :) it uses the standard apache htpasswd technique.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From kethry at winternet.com Mon Nov 6 12:47:22 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23541] Frontpage extensions on linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you! It worked like a charm -- you know I remember doing this about a year and a half ago on another system..but didn't do it often enough to remember. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > IIRC, the one you need to be worried about is in _vti_pvt, and is actually > > > called 'service.pwd' (oops, sorry.. brainfart. heh) > > > > > > if you reset that user's password, you should be able to publish with the > > > username and pass. > > > > tried that - but it uses an encryption formula, so I think there's > > something I'm missing...:/ > > > > Thank you!!! > > Liz > > Yeah, run 'htpasswd service.pwd ', and type in the password > you'd like. :) > > it uses the standard apache htpasswd technique.. > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 6 13:57:13 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23531] Archives are back online References: <20001106030844.A24476@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A070D19.D7D918FA@ltiflex.com> No matches were found for 'linux' The issue at hand is from the main page search box. That box still goes to hitdig (or whatever...) If you dig for the archives link that search works fine. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001106/66d2f9a4/andyzb.vcf From blayer at uswest.net Mon Nov 6 14:19:43 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PCMCIA IrDA port? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001106141650.00a274b0@192.168.210.18> The problem is this: I've got a laptop, slightly older, that has PCMCIA & serial ports, but no IrDA. I need to add IrDA function. Is there any such hardware available? I find none. The card does _not_ have to be Linux-compatible. I'll do whatever is necessary, even loading Windows, to make this work (I must be desperate :) TIA From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 6 14:24:53 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23531] Archives are back online References: <20001106030844.A24476@real-time.com> <3A070D19.D7D918FA@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A071395.FFFEEA5D@fandre.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > No matches were found for 'linux' > > The issue at hand is from the main page search box. That box still goes to > hitdig (or whatever...) > Sorry about that. Fixed. From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 6 15:09:36 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA and Mapped drives Message-ID: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com> I'm having some minor issues with network drives on windows 2000 that are mapped by the domain login script: The command is a basic net use T: \\server/share /persist:no The problem is that after awile windows 2000 shows the drive as disconnected. Accessing a file on the drive or double clicking on the drive seems to reestablish the drive without problem. The question is, is this a CAL saving MS trick or is SAMBA disconnecting the client? This doesn't happen with shared mapped off the Windows 2000 server. The windows 2000 users know enough to be dangerous, and cooked up a bat file to reconnect thier drives. For now this works, but there must be a better soultion. /persist:yes might do it but I haven't experimented. (Yet) Then, on the flip side of things, has anyone had troubles keeping a samba share mounted on their windows machine? I have to remount my Windows home directory every few hours. Kinda annoying but life goes on. Any insight appreaced, I'm off to search for answers... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001106/9ff48232/andyzb.vcf From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 6 15:17:33 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23548] SAMBA and Mapped drives (whoops....) References: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A071FED.9D7343F@ltiflex.com> > Then, on the flip side of things, has anyone had troubles keeping a samba > share mounted on their windows machine? I have to remount my Windows home > directory every few hours. Kinda annoying but life goes on. I actually ment a smb share on my Linux machine :) I keep my NT home directory mounted to a subdirectory of my Linux home directory. It disconnects, and files get copied to the wrong place. how irksome... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001106/92c24b38/andyzb.vcf From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Nov 6 17:02:05 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23548] SAMBA and Mapped drives References: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A07386D.35992EDA@mninter.net> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > I'm having some minor issues with network drives on windows 2000 that are > mapped by the domain login script: > The command is a basic > net use T: \\server/share /persist:no > > The problem is that after awile windows 2000 shows the drive as > disconnected. Accessing a file on the drive or double clicking on the drive > seems to reestablish the drive without problem. > > The question is, is this a CAL saving MS trick or is SAMBA disconnecting the > client? This doesn't happen with shared mapped off the Windows 2000 server. > The windows 2000 users know enough to be dangerous, and cooked up a bat file > to reconnect thier drives. For now this works, but there must be a better > soultion. /persist:yes might do it but I haven't experimented. (Yet) > As far as I know, and from a little experimentation, it's a bit of a MS trick. The drives are still mapped, and there isn't any problem or delay that I've noticed in getting to the shares/mapped drives. On the Linux samba shares, I can't say. I generally don't stay connected to a Unix samba share long enough for it to disconnect or drop. Unfortunately, don't run Linux at work. Except for on my personal laptop that is. I'll finally be able to start experimenting on my own at home with a pure Linux and Linux/MS LAN. I finally managed to upgrade to a new computer (desktop) and am going to dual boot both of them. I haven't had a chance to work on the Linux networking part at all yet with my laptop at work, so I'm new to this as well. Is there anything that I need to be concerned about in regards to having an HP Jet Direct box for my printer? Or can I just do the IP address in the host file and set it up that way? I'll be using SuSe 6.4 on all of the machines. So it'll look like this: Primary machine: SuSe 6.4/W98se, AMD T-brid 1GHz, 256MB ram, 45 GB harddrive (20 GB partitions for each OS), 10/100 3C905C NIC Secondary machine: SuSe 6.4/W98se, P200MMX, 64MB ram, 6.4 GB HD (3GB parts each), 3C905B 10mbs combo card (ethernet, coax, AUI?) Third: Laptop IBM ThinkPad, Suse 6.4, PII266, 128 MB ram, 10/100 PCMCIA 3Com NIC. BTW, haven't had a chance to work on sound or built in modem yet. Hub: 3Com 10 mbs 8 port ethernet Jet Direct box: HP Jet direct 3xx series I believe. Printer: BJC-4100 I'll be reading up on this stuff soon, just wondering if there's any precautions that I need to think of before hand. On the Jet Direct box, it does have Unix drivers. But it also assigns an IP addy to itself of 169.215.16.135 or something like that. I'm planning on this being a peer to peer network in windows, and I'll be leaving my hub, HP JD box, and printer on all the time. I want to be able to allow each machine to print without having to have all the machines on at the same time. Thanks, Shawn From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 6 18:54:45 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] x2vnc and virtual desktops Message-ID: I'm using the pager program that comes with sawfish/Helixgnome. I'm also using x2vnc so when I scroll the mouse off the left of the screen it will go into my windows box. On my linux box, if I page from a desktop on the left to one on the right it works fine, but when I try to go back, it goes over to my windows box instead. I would like to bind x2vnc to viewport 1 1, but I'm not sure how to do it. x2vnc creates an invisible 1 pixel wide window along the edge of the screen to monitor when the mouse gets to the edge. This window doesn't show up in any lists or anything, so I'm unsure how to assign any properties to it. Any ideas? I can't live without my virtual desktop setup. Jay From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net Mon Nov 6 19:10:38 2000 From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pump problem Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001106190157.00aa79b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> My poor machine can't pump up the connection to the Internet. I have Mediaone Broadband. I am using pump. I now my NIC works, it connected for a couple of minutes tonight, then the connection went down. I have been switching the connection between Linux and windows. Tonight when I switch the connection the pc link status indicator stayed on and I was able to do a little ftping and have my father connect to my web server. Then it went down. I have not been able to get it back up again. I have read the HOWTO's and I have to the host name in the config file for pump. I did have all this running for about 4 hours, then I rebooted and that was the end of it. When I issue the pump -h linux command I can watch the external lights flicker a couple of times. Someone please help!!!!!! :-( Oh BTW I am running RH 7.0 John Miller From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 19:26:18 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beer & music Message-ID: <20001106192618.A16264@real-time.com> Since others have commented on the need for a beer get-together, here's your chance. I'm will be going to the Half Time Rec on Tuesday night, to hear the Tim Malloys play. Any LUG'ers who enjoy beer & music are welcome to show up as well. here's the relevant info: you must be 21+ (sorry Nate!) The Tim Malloys do (mostly modern, mostly revolutionary [pro-IRA, anti-British]) Irish music. it's kickass great music, the way they do it. it's also usually a bit vulgar; but no more than you should expect at a bar. :) Beer available: Guiness, Harp, Bass, Kaliber, O'Douls, Leinies (?) no Sam Adams. :( juice & Red Bull as well. Warning: don't wear any clothing you don't mind smelling of smoke. it can get pretty thick by the end of the night. lots of geeks show up there; I've met Solaris admins, MVS programmers, web hacks, Doctorate-level robotics engineers, and others. it's a great time, and you can meet some really cool people. :) Directions: Go to Lexington Parkway by your best route. (I go east on 94 to St. Paul.) 5 stoplights north of Lexington, is Front Ave. turn EAST there. 3 blocks east of Lexington, on the NORTH SIDE is the Half Time Rec. the band nominally starts at 9:00pm, but I don't ever remember them starting before about 9:30. ;> I'll probably be there by 9:00 or so. If you don't know me, I'm the guy with long, curly, out-of-control red hair and a frizzy red beard, probably wearing a green & white plaid coat. ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 19:32:56 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23548] SAMBA and Mapped drives In-Reply-To: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 03:09:36PM -0600 References: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001106193256.B16264@real-time.com> > Any insight appreaced, I'm off to search for answers... I once had a problem with smb shares mounted on a Linux box disconnecting after a certain length of time. my (hackish, but functional) solution, was a cron job to do an 'ls' on the Windows share every few minutes (redirected to /dev/null). this kept me from doing backups of an empty directory. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Nov 6 20:05:05 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23546] PCMCIA IrDA port? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001106141650.00a274b0@192.168.210.18>; from blayer@uswest.net on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 02:19:43PM -0600 References: <4.2.2.20001106141650.00a274b0@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: <20001106200505.C8435@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 02:19:43PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >The problem is this: I've got a laptop, slightly older, that has PCMCIA & >serial ports, but no IrDA. I need to add IrDA function. Is there any such >hardware available? I find none. > >The card does _not_ have to be Linux-compatible. I'll do whatever is >necessary, even loading Windows, to make this work (I must be desperate :) > Hey Bill, aren't therre serial dongles available? -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 6 22:34:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23548] SAMBA and Mapped drives References: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com> <20001106193256.B16264@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A07866C.52CC3634@tcfreenet.org> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > Any insight appreaced, I'm off to search for answers... > > I once had a problem with smb shares mounted on a Linux box disconnecting > after a certain length of time. my (hackish, but functional) solution, was > a cron job to do an 'ls' on the Windows share every few minutes (redirected > to /dev/null). > > this kept me from doing backups of an empty directory. :) Why not just use an automounter? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 6 22:36:59 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23534] X 4.01 Cursor problem References: <3A06D61E.C12FFE46@innominatus.com> <3A06DCE3.1CDA676F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A0786EA.9C899BBE@tcfreenet.org> > What video card do you have? Did you check to be sure it was supported in > XFree 4.0.1 before you installed it? XFree4 dropped support for alot of > older video cards (at least for the initial release) Not so much dropped as Not Ported Yet. Anything unsupported is just waiting for someone to do so. :P From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 6 22:38:54 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23529] Casette->MP3 ? References: <4.2.2.20001106091005.00a6a100@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: <3A07875E.B0145E71@tcfreenet.org> Bill Layer wrote: > > If your cassette deck has a 'line' out (like most home stereo decks do) I'd > suggest using it, as opposed to the headphone output. The signal at the > headphone jack is pretty hot (not necessarily bad), but it also carries all > of the noise of the output section along with it. Use the 'line' out to > help maintain your S/N ratio. But all too often on cheapo equipment line outs are well below actual line out, thus have to be amplified up so much headphone is actually cleaner... From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 6 22:32:53 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23548] SAMBA and Mapped drives In-Reply-To: <3A07866C.52CC3634@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:34:52PM -0600 References: <3A071E10.725A6A41@ltiflex.com> <20001106193256.B16264@real-time.com> <3A07866C.52CC3634@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001106223253.A10972@real-time.com> > > I once had a problem with smb shares mounted on a Linux box disconnecting > > after a certain length of time. my (hackish, but functional) solution, was > > a cron job to do an 'ls' on the Windows share every few minutes (redirected > > to /dev/null). > > Why not just use an automounter? would you belive, because I hadn't fathomed that a thing such as an automounter should exist, let along *did* exist? ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From andy at theasis.com Mon Nov 6 22:38:46 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23529] Casette->MP3 ? In-Reply-To: <3A07875E.B0145E71@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: > But all too often on cheapo equipment line outs are well below actual > line out, thus have to be amplified up so much headphone is actually > cleaner... I don't buy that. Since the headphone out is amplified. I don't trust the cheapo amplifier to not add noise and distortion. Andy From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 6 22:57:21 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23529] Casette->MP3 ? References: Message-ID: <3A078BB1.B8588C81@tcfreenet.org> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > But all too often on cheapo equipment line outs are well below actual > > line out, thus have to be amplified up so much headphone is actually > > cleaner... > > I don't buy that. Since the headphone out is amplified. I don't trust the > cheapo amplifier to not add noise and distortion. Yes it will, but it may be less than the amp in your soundcard. ;) From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 7 02:31:40 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple DBs in Postgresql? Message-ID: <3A07BDEC.A18FA5B6@tcfreenet.org> So, I'm planning on developing a web site that uses user accounts, like say slashdot or something. Whats the best way to deal with this on the DB back end? I want to have a main DB with user accounts and session management and such covering the whole site, but I would like to put certain things in their own DB for sanity's sake, but I still want to do table joins with the user account tables. Is there any way to do table joins across DB's in Postgres? Or is there another sane way to deal with this? I'll throw it all in one DB if I have to. :P From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 7 09:36:26 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23561] Multiple DBs in Postgresql? In-Reply-To: <3A07BDEC.A18FA5B6@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 02:31:40AM -0600 References: <3A07BDEC.A18FA5B6@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001107093626.E9186@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 02:31:40AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > So, I'm planning on developing a web site that uses user accounts, > like say slashdot or something. Whats the best way to deal with this > on the DB back end? I want to have a main DB with user accounts and > session management and such covering the whole site, but I would > like to put certain things in their own DB for sanity's sake, but I > still want to do table joins with the user account tables. Is there > any way to do table joins across DB's in Postgres? Or is there > another sane way to deal with this? I'll throw it all in one DB if I > have to. :P If you want to have persistent users, enforce the logic that all authentication and capabilities of that user ties back to the master list, wherever you place it. Your users should be identified by a unique identifier, an integer, for integrity and congruency. Another tip I would suggest is to have a unique identifier for EVERY row of the database. You may hear some argument against this, but the space of an additional integer in the database per record will save you a LOT of time when trying to identify and reference unique records. This is very important if you want to implement any type of historical record keeping. Also consider saving true deletes for informational records in the database for "purge" events. In other words, write yourself a special routine for "purging" a table of old data. One way to do this is to provide a datatime stamp field for these critical records. To reference the "active" record, simply take the MAX(timestamp column) of the select statement for that record. Following the above two suggestions can save you a lot of time and headache. Whether or not you can cross databases depends upon whether or not you're using an application server that allows you to have multiple connections to the database. If not, you will likely be jockying your DB connection from one DB to another, saving the information retrieved in local variables. * Select user list from DB A. Process result set. Save locally. * Run "use " to switch to different db or whatever useful API is provided by your app server. * Use list to select from tables in DB B. * Process result set. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: HP J3202A.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 8150 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001107/390935f9/HPJ3202A.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Hub.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 8684 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001107/390935f9/Hub.bin From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Nov 7 11:33:13 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] speaking of voting...beer vote Message-ID: <3A083CD9.A69B9981@fruitioninc.com> I've only recieved 17 suggestions so far! (16, really, as one was a strip club). I'd like to get this started up for next thursday (the 16th). I'll have a place picked by this thursday. So I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage you to cast your recommendations here: http://www.mn-linux.org/where_is_the_beer.php Thanks! Jacque From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Nov 7 12:06:32 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23565] speaking of voting...beer vote In-Reply-To: <3A083CD9.A69B9981@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c048e5$756e56d0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > I've only recieved 17 suggestions so far! (16, really, as one was a > strip club). Now I'm trying to imagine holding a TCLUG meeting at the Skyway Lounge... From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 7 12:56:48 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23561] Multiple DBs in Postgresql? References: <0G3N0040OVQFCL@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <002101c048ec$7bc28040$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> I can think of one reason why not. If you have more than one web application - you probably don't want to duplicate the logic. I use Java and I keeps a service running that is just for authentication. I literally use the SAME logic (down to the instance) for authenicating multiple applications in different databases. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23561] Multiple DBs in Postgresql? > I'm doing the exact same thing for my own e-commerce site > (PHP + Postgres) - why are you against having user accounts > in the same database? (Just put them in a seperate table!) > > Nick Reinking > > (Feel free to e-mail me privately off the list if you have any questions.) > > > > > > > chewie@wookimus.net, on 11/07/2000 09:36:26 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23561] Multiple DBs in Postgresql? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 7 15:50:57 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23561] Multiple DBs in Postgresql? References: <3A07BDEC.A18FA5B6@tcfreenet.org> <20001107093626.E9186@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A087941.46BC02DC@tcfreenet.org> > If you want to have persistent users, enforce the logic that all > authentication and capabilities of that user ties back to the master > list, wherever you place it. Your users should be identified by a > unique identifier, an integer, for integrity and congruency. > > Another tip I would suggest is to have a unique identifier for EVERY > row of the database. You may hear some argument against this, but the > space of an additional integer in the database per record will save > you a LOT of time when trying to identify and reference unique > records. This is very important if you want to implement any type of > historical record keeping. I did take a DB design class. :P > Following the above two suggestions can save you a lot of time and > headache. Whether or not you can cross databases depends upon whether > or not you're using an application server that allows you to have > multiple connections to the database. If not, you will likely be Well, thats what the question was. Postgresql can't reference tables in different DBs in the same select statement. Someone told me mySQL can do it, but I don't like its total lack of foreign key/references constraints. I like DB integrity. :P > jockying your DB connection from one DB to another, saving the > information retrieved in local variables. I'd sooner just dump everything in the same DB. Which I suppose is what I'll be doing. I'm still concerned about dumping DB's. If so, I'll want to just dump tables that belong to a given app. Suppose I'll have to look in to proper table access control... What I don't get is what seems to be a total lack of security with psql. Anyone with a shell on the DB server can use psql to log in as any user, in particular the DB admin, and have free reign over the DB. How do I make the damn thing ask for passwords? :P From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Nov 7 22:06:34 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LOGIN Message-ID: <001107220634.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I'm running into a bit of a problem with RH6.2 and really don't know where to start (finish?). Seems yesterday this machine decided that it didn't like to run gdm, so when you login, the window just dies and you get the regular character login window, which does work. By killing gdm, you get back to the X login window, which will die again as soon as you login. I've tried moving all the login scripts (csh.cshrc, ~/.cshrc) out of the way, but nothing changes. I've hunted around in the X stuff, but didn't find anything there either. Would someone please give me some hints on where to look for clues about this or even an answer? Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 8 00:39:58 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Dead NIC? Message-ID: Hi, Kinda off topic, but has anyone had this happen to them before? I've got a 3com 3c905-TC NIC. Used to work fine, now it apparently is dropping about 25% of all packets. Movied it to another machine and it does the sam there. All the other NICs are 3coms, most of them also 905's (though various models). One reason I think it might NOT be the NIC is I've done some TCPDUMPs, and when you're pinging other machines they send out arp requests for this card every 10 seconds or so. Pinging from other nics doesn't do that. Anyone have any ideas before I go get a new 3com? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 8 01:51:30 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Solutions, pgp5, mutt and =20 Message-ID: <20001108015130.F14692@real-time.com> Anyone using network solutions as their reg-auth with guardian? Several months ago, when Network Solutions started to support pgp5, something broke for me. When I pgp sign a message using mutt with pgp5, I get a return message from Network Solutions say my form has error messages on pretty much every line. The error is saying "=20" is an invalid character. Which I found to be a space. So, if I tr -s spaces and make sure blank lines are just cr, things work ok, but what a pain in the ass. Anyone ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 06:06:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23569] LOGIN References: <001107220634.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A0941C4.32A81261@fandre.com> HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > Hi > > I'm running into a bit of a problem with RH6.2 and really don't know where to > start (finish?). Seems yesterday this machine decided that it didn't like to > run gdm, so when you login, the window just dies and you get the regular > character login window, which does work. By killing gdm, you get back to the X > login window, which will die again as soon as you login. I've tried moving > all the login scripts (csh.cshrc, ~/.cshrc) out of the way, but nothing > changes. I've hunted around in the X stuff, but didn't find anything there > either. > > Would someone please give me some hints on where to look for clues about this > or even an answer? First of all you want to find out if it is user specific or not. I usually create a new account and see if I can log in with that. If I can't, I know it's not a user problem. Next look in the log files for any hints of errors. The gdm logs on a RH box are usually in /var/gdm, so see if there are any messages that might give you some ideas. Failing that, try to remove and reinstalling the gdm RPM. From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 06:10:03 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian sound problems Message-ID: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> I have a system that I dual boot between Debian and RH 7. I'm using the same /boot, thus I am also using the same kernel image and modules. My problem is that my sound works great in RH7 (using esd), but in Debian it's choppy and slow. The problem is only with esd though. If I kill esd I works fine. Is there a problem with esd on Debian? I've got Helix Gnome installed and have a Via82cxxx built-in soundcard. Anyone else having problems like this? From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 8 07:02:37 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I ran a shop with all 3c905b's and never had a problem, but here it seems that I've had 2 of these things go bad on me in about 6 months. I had problems similar to what you describe. My web-cache server was using one and we were seeing LOTS of errors on the interface. We moved it around on different switches and cables, but finally ended up replacing the card. We only saw it happen when there was a lot of data. This machine does about 2MByte/s sustained. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Kinda off topic, but has anyone had this happen to them before? > > I've got a 3com 3c905-TC NIC. Used to work fine, now it apparently is > dropping about 25% of all packets. Movied it to another machine and it > does the sam there. All the other NICs are 3coms, most of them also 905's > (though various models). > > One reason I think it might NOT be the NIC is I've done some TCPDUMPs, and > when you're pinging other machines they send out arp requests for this > card every 10 seconds or so. Pinging from other nics doesn't do that. > > Anyone have any ideas before I go get a new 3com? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 8 07:21:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 12:39:58AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001108072132.A47385@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I've seen it with a 905B. A former roomate of mine had one in his machine and one day, it started acting up. Eventually it got to the point that if he even sent a packet through it, it would panic his kernel. It was silly as hell. IIRC, the card had to be replaced. Gabe On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 12:39:58AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Kinda off topic, but has anyone had this happen to them before? > > I've got a 3com 3c905-TC NIC. Used to work fine, now it apparently is > dropping about 25% of all packets. Movied it to another machine and it > does the sam there. All the other NICs are 3coms, most of them also 905's > (though various models). > > One reason I think it might NOT be the NIC is I've done some TCPDUMPs, and > when you're pinging other machines they send out arp requests for this > card every 10 seconds or so. Pinging from other nics doesn't do that. > > Anyone have any ideas before I go get a new 3com? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Leave everything to me!!" - Powdered Toast Man in "Powdered Toast Man" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:14 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 8 11:31:05 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oki OL600e & Linux? Message-ID: <0011081142100D.00274@Billbob_linux> I've come across an issue that I'd like to solve, but I need a little advice before I start to go nuts with it. I've got an Oki OL600e LED page printer, which as far as I can tell, is not supported in Linux. The 600e is supposed to have an HPIIp emulation mode, but whenever I try to print a document, the text is spread out over multiple pages. Searching the net, I have found several other users with the same issue, none of whom have solved it yet. Here is what I believe to be the problem: The Ol600e does not have a physical control panel, but instead uses an (annoying) desktop control panel that runs under Windows. If you try to close the 600e control panel, the software complains and warns that "printing might not work correctly" with the panel closed. My guess is that on power-up, the 600e is not using the HPII emulation mode, but rather the proprietary Okidata 600e mode. or, there is some other magic that the panel performs to initialize the printer. Note that the OL400e (and others perhaps) use this same control scheme. I guess it was to save the cost of real control hardware. Does anyone know A) What sort of data is being sent by the panel to configure the printer, or how I might discover this myself? and B) what would it take to create a Linux (X or console) version of the Control Panel applet. It would seem that once the protocol was learned, that the actual control applet would be a piece of cake; all it does is allow you to change parameters, and then it forwards them to the printer when you hit OK. Anyone feel like getting involved? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 8 11:56:28 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web video project (paying work) In-Reply-To: <0011081142100D.00274@Billbob_linux> References: <0011081142100D.00274@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <0011081236450F.00274@Billbob_linux> I have been asked to bid on a project to serve up web video from several cameras, to be installed at a sports facility in the metro area. I personally know the project director, and he has asked only me to bid (so far), so the odds of getting the job are very good. My skills are such that I can do a lot of this work myself, but having never done a web video project, I would like one experienced person to partner with, 50/50. Obviously, I intend to use Linux for the service. The net result of the project, is to produce a website where the video from any of the cameras may be viewed. The facility has a 640K DSL line with a fixed IP. This is not for streaming, full-motion video, but frames updated once every few seconds. We will be specifying and possibly furnishing all the equipment, including the cameras, server, cables & switch. The financial rewards could be substantial for both partners. I will be speaking with the director in the next weeks, and I want to be in a "can-do" position at that time. Anyone have experience & interest in getting involved? Please contact me off list, and let me know your technical strengths & weaknesses so we can determine if we have a match. -- Bill Layer From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 8 13:05:55 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? Message-ID: <20001108190555.14473.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> FWIW I used to run the labs at Duluth Business Univ. and before I got there the stock card they put in was the 3C905B-TX. (And an earlier 905 variant) We had no end of trouble under Win 95 with some of these cards. In many machines (maybe 20%-30%) they would occasionally "lose contact" with the network. The only way regain a connection was to shutdown (not restart) the system, count to 15 or 20, and reboot. This worked 99% of the time. The other 1% required doing the process twice. (Usually because the wait was not long enough.) Take what you will from that information. Personally I would replace your card with an equivilant Linksys card. At DBU we switched to Linksys while I was there and only one failure and that was a DOA card. Jack On Tue, 07 November 2000, Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > Kinda off topic, but has anyone had this happen to them before? > > I've got a 3com 3c905-TC NIC. Used to work fine, now it apparently is > dropping about 25% of all packets. Movied it to another machine and it > does the sam there. All the other NICs are 3coms, most of them also 905's > (though various models). > > One reason I think it might NOT be the NIC is I've done some TCPDUMPs, and > when you're pinging other machines they send out arp requests for this > card every 10 seconds or so. Pinging from other nics doesn't do that. > > Anyone have any ideas before I go get a new 3com? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 8 13:23:01 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: <20001108190555.14473.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: On 8 Nov 2000 jack@jacku.com wrote: > FWIW I used to run the labs at Duluth Business Univ. and before I got > there the stock card they put in was the 3C905B-TX. (And an earlier > 905 variant) We had no end of trouble under Win 95 with some of these > cards. In many machines (maybe 20%-30%) they would occasionally "lose > contact" with the network. The only way regain a connection was to > shutdown (not restart) the system, count to 15 or 20, and reboot. This > worked 99% of the time. The other 1% required doing the process twice. > (Usually because the wait was not long enough.) > > Take what you will from that information. Personally I would replace > your card with an equivilant Linksys card. At DBU we switched to > Linksys while I was there and only one failure and that was a DOA > card. I've had bad luck with driver support on Linksys. IMHO, Netgear or Intel is the way to go. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 8 13:27:49 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: <20001108190555.14473.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: That reminds me, some more information on our problems with these cards: One of our machines would disappear from the network every day or two as well. It always happened at night (which I believe can be linked to more web surfing at that time, which leads to more traffic on that server). We were able to fix it by unplugging the cable and plugging it back in (which caused the interface to go up-down). We tried forcing it to 10MBit but that made no difference. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On 8 Nov 2000 jack@jacku.com wrote: > FWIW I used to run the labs at Duluth Business Univ. and before I got there the stock card they put in was the 3C905B-TX. (And an earlier 905 variant) We had no end of trouble under Win 95 with some of these cards. In many machines (maybe 20%-30%) they would occasionally "lose contact" with the network. The only way regain a connection was to shutdown (not restart) the system, count to 15 or 20, and reboot. This worked 99% of the time. The other 1% required doing the process twice. (Usually because the wait was not long enough.) > > Take what you will from that information. Personally I would replace your card with an equivilant Linksys card. At DBU we switched to Linksys while I was there and only one failure and that was a DOA card. > > Jack > > On Tue, 07 November 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Kinda off topic, but has anyone had this happen to them before? > > > > I've got a 3com 3c905-TC NIC. Used to work fine, now it apparently is > > dropping about 25% of all packets. Movied it to another machine and it > > does the sam there. All the other NICs are 3coms, most of them also 905's > > (though various models). > > > > One reason I think it might NOT be the NIC is I've done some TCPDUMPs, and > > when you're pinging other machines they send out arp requests for this > > card every 10 seconds or so. Pinging from other nics doesn't do that. > > > > Anyone have any ideas before I go get a new 3com? > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Nov 8 13:44:42 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We were having some problems with this when I was doing some systems integration on our print servers. This was with Linksys LNE100TX, but I recall it happening on some 3COM cards as well. If we left it to Auto-detect the 10/100 and Full/Half duplex, it would occasionally flake out on us, but if we manually set them, it worked fine. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > That reminds me, some more information on our problems with these cards: > > One of our machines would disappear from the network every day or two as > well. It always happened at night (which I believe can be linked to more > web surfing at that time, which leads to more traffic on that server). We > were able to fix it by unplugging the cable and plugging it back in (which > caused the interface to go up-down). We tried forcing it to 10MBit but > that made no difference. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On 8 Nov 2000 jack@jacku.com wrote: > > > FWIW I used to run the labs at Duluth Business Univ. and before I got there the stock card they put in was the 3C905B-TX. (And an earlier 905 variant) We had no end of trouble under Win 95 with some of these cards. In many machines (maybe 20%-30%) they would occasionally "lose contact" with the network. The only way regain a connection was to shutdown (not restart) the system, count to 15 or 20, and reboot. This worked 99% of the time. The other 1% required doing the process twice. (Usually because the wait was not long enough.) > > > > Take what you will from that information. Personally I would replace your card with an equivilant Linksys card. At DBU we switched to Linksys while I was there and only one failure and that was a DOA card. > > > > Jack > > > > On Tue, 07 November 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Kinda off topic, but has anyone had this happen to them before? > > > > > > I've got a 3com 3c905-TC NIC. Used to work fine, now it apparently is > > > dropping about 25% of all packets. Movied it to another machine and it > > > does the sam there. All the other NICs are 3coms, most of them also 905's > > > (though various models). > > > > > > One reason I think it might NOT be the NIC is I've done some TCPDUMPs, and > > > when you're pinging other machines they send out arp requests for this > > > card every 10 seconds or so. Pinging from other nics doesn't do that. > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas before I go get a new 3com? > > > > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Nov 8 15:36:34 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Back on to topic. How do you get the things to work under linux anyways? I have a pack of them given to me with a couple of low end pentium systems. It would be nice to use them as linux boxes. Colin Kilbane From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 8 15:47:13 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Not free CD from Appgen In-Reply-To: <973704811.1229.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> References: <973704811.1229.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <0011081554390P.00274@Billbob_linux> I guess I should have seen it coming - the old addage never fails: If it sounds too good to be true, it invariably is. I saw an add for Appgen software on p 15 of the Nov 2000 issue of Linux Journal. The add offers a "free" applications CD, in fact the add uses the word "free" three times. So naturally, I called for my FREE CD, and I was told that "While the CD is free, we are asking $9.95 for shipping and handling". That must be one d*mn heavy CD! Sorry, but where I come from, a free CD means a CD without associated costs. I told them as much before I hung up. Probably a bad move to bait-and-switch the Linux community... -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 16:07:02 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A09CE86.24721429@fandre.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > The steps to make-kpkg go something like this: > make menuconfig > make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image > make-kpkg modules_image (this builds extra modules in /usr/src/modules. The > Debian packages for lm-sensors, alsa-source, i2c, and PCMICA extract to > /usr/src/moduels.) OK. It make a deb file for the kernel, lm-sensors and i2c, but no alsa. What do I need to do for alsa support? From ben at nerp.net Wed Nov 8 16:15:41 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23584] Not free CD from Appgen In-Reply-To: <0011081554390P.00274@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: yea.. that's kinda lame, it's probably "free of licensing costs" but not "handling" charges.. oh well.. less sales for them on another note.. vikingelectronics is COOL!.. i gota get a big red emergency phone for my house. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > I guess I should have seen it coming - the old addage never fails: If it sounds > too good to be true, it invariably is. I saw an add for Appgen software on p 15 > of the Nov 2000 issue of Linux Journal. The add offers a "free" applications CD, > in fact the add uses the word "free" three times. So naturally, I called for my > FREE CD, and I was told that "While the CD is free, we are asking $9.95 for > shipping and handling". That must be one d*mn heavy CD! > > Sorry, but where I come from, a free CD means a CD without associated costs. I > told them as much before I hung up. Probably a bad move to bait-and-switch the > Linux community... > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Nov 8 16:26:50 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <3A09CE86.24721429@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A09D32A.41373DF6@ltiflex.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > > The steps to make-kpkg go something like this: > > make menuconfig > > make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image > > make-kpkg modules_image (this builds extra modules in /usr/src/modules. The > > Debian packages for lm-sensors, alsa-source, i2c, and PCMICA extract to > > /usr/src/moduels.) > > OK. It make a deb file for the kernel, lm-sensors and i2c, but no alsa. > What do I need to do for alsa support? You grabbed the alsa-source package right? (apt-get install alsa-source, not apt-get source alsa) You should get a debconf dialog asking you to select the drivers and the like you want make-kpkg to compile. The next thing to do is cd to /usr/src and type tar xvfz alsadriver.tar.gz because it seems that the package maintainer forgot to put that in the installation scripts, and there's nothing but a changelog in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source. :) Try make-kpkg again, if still a no go, check /usr/src/modules/alsadriver/debian/README and other related documentation. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 8 16:56:53 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys (was: dead NIC) Message-ID: Hi, Yeah, so I got a Linksys LNE100TX (has a Tested with Linux sticker on the box). I understand it uses the DE4x5 driver... so I rebuilt 2.2.17 with DE4x5 support - and it doesn't see the NIC. I don't even see any messages about the kernel trying to initialize it. I know these cards work with Linux. Anyone have any hints? -Yaron -- From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Nov 8 17:05:15 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23588] Linksys (was: dead NIC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mine came with the Linux driver on a floppy. It uses the DECchip Tulip (dc21x4x) driver (at that point, they said to replace tulip.c with the one on the disk, but I believe the tulip driver that comes with the kernel works with it now). Otherwise, you should be able to track it down on their website. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Yeah, so I got a Linksys LNE100TX (has a Tested with Linux sticker on the > box). I understand it uses the DE4x5 driver... so I rebuilt 2.2.17 with > DE4x5 support - and it doesn't see the NIC. I don't even see any messages > about the kernel trying to initialize it. I know these cards work with > Linux. Anyone have any hints? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Nov 8 17:09:28 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23588] Linksys (was: dead NIC) References: Message-ID: <3A09DD28.EBDA0A72@ltiflex.com> Linksys cards are kinda interesting. The LNE100TX has four different versions, each version has a slightly different windows driver. On the plus side, they all use the tulip driver under Linux. :) The instructions from linksys should tell you to use the tulip driver in the latest linux kernel, but they do provide the source code for the driver, in case you're only way to get the latest triver is via your nic. The other Linksys card I have (10baseT/COAX combo) uses the nek2-pci driver. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 17:26:38 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <3A09CE86.24721429@fandre.com> <3A09D32A.41373DF6@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A09E12E.6BF1B8C0@fandre.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > What do I need to do for alsa support? > > You grabbed the alsa-source package right? (apt-get install alsa-source, not > apt-get source alsa) You should get a debconf dialog asking you to select > the drivers and the like you want make-kpkg to compile. The next thing to do > is cd to /usr/src and type tar xvfz alsadriver.tar.gz because it seems that > the package maintainer forgot to put that in the installation scripts, and > there's nothing but a changelog in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source. :) > Yup, that was it. Had to gunzip/untar the file. Thanks. From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Wed Nov 8 17:44:43 2000 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23588] Linksys (was: dead NIC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Yeah, so I got a Linksys LNE100TX (has a Tested with Linux sticker on the > >-Yaron > > If you got one of the new really cheap LNE100TXs (like $15 mine was) you probably got a revision 4. I had to use the nice new tulip at http://www.scyld.com/network/updates.html - Ryan From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Wed Nov 8 18:04:36 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23569] LOGIN Message-ID: <001108180436.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Clay Thanks for the reply. At least I found the log files! In the gdm logfile was a complaint from glib, and in the regular logfile there was an entry about pwent (part of PAM) returning NULL so :0 was aborted. So, I replaced gdm, pam, and glib with no results (It still dies on login). The gdm and pam packages also verified, but I replaced them anyway. I noticed that it complains the gdm logfile about there not being a user 42. This shouldn't be a big problem as I have another machine without it and it still succeeds. I created the user from the password file of a machine that works (I don't know enough about Linux to do any fancy modifications, so the installations should be the same) and also created the home dir. Didn't help. There's a difference between the logfiles of machines that work and those that dont: the successful one says that it's doing SetKeyboard and then claims it succeeds. Any ideas? Thanks Ed Hoeffner From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 18:48:01 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A09F441.F1DDAE19@fandre.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > From time to time, yes. Lately though sound has been fine (Espically > suprising since I now play Quake 3 under Linux.) You could try libesd-alsa0 > instead of libesd0. (My onboard Via sound is supported through Alsa, if this > doesn't apply to you, ignore me!) OK. I got alsa working with my onbord via. Thanks BTW. But when I try to install libesd-alsa0 it wants to remove just about every helixgnome package. How do I install it while keeping my helixgnome? # apt-get install libesd-alsa0 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: bug-buddy codecommander dia eog esound gaim-gnome gdm gedit ghex glade-gnome gmc gnapster gnome-applets gnome-bin gnome-card-games gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-games gnome-gataxx gnome-glines gnome-gnibbles gnome-gnobots2 gnome-gnometris gnome-gnomine gnome-gnotravex gnome-gtali gnome-gturing gnome-gv gnome-help gnome-iagno gnome-iconedit gnome-mahjongg gnome-media gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-pim gnome-pim-conduits gnome-same-gnome gnome-session gnome-stones gnome-terminal gnome-utils gnome-xbill gnomeicu gnucash gnumeric gqview grdb gtop helix-sweetpill libcapplet0 libesd0 libgdk-pixbuf2 libglade-gnome0 libgnome-pilot0 libgnome32 libgnomeprint11 libgnomeprint6 libgnomesupport0 libgnomeui32 libgnorba27 libgnorbagtk0 libgtkhtml4 libzvt2 memprof pan rep-gtk sawfish sawfish-gnome sawfish-themes task-helix-core task-helix-gnome xchat-gnome xmms xmms-vorbis The following NEW packages will be installed: libesd-alsa0 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 75 to remove and 32 not upgraded. Need to get 15.5kB of archives. After unpacking 93.2MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Heck no! From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net Wed Nov 8 19:15:54 2000 From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting network connected Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001108183907.00d4de20@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I am have great difficultly getting my network card to come up. I have an internal NIC that uses the tulip driver. I have checked the proc/pci and found the card listed in there. When I do an lsmod I find tulip installed. When I do an ifconfig eth0 up, it returns fine. When I do ifconfig again it lists the information minus the inet address. When I do the lsmod again tulip reports "Used by 1". The IRQ is 5 and io base address is 8c00. No other device is conflicting with the IRQ. Now correct me if I am wrong but should not the light on the back of the card turn on when the card is brought up. If so, why is it not coming on. Even when it is connected to my external cable modem it doesn't turn on. I am running Debian 2.2. I have read, among other things, an article from Byte magazine which I found a link to in the mailing list archive. Some one please help, I have been working on this for a couple of weeks and am getting discouraged. John From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Nov 8 21:27:11 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23588] Linksys (was: dead NIC) In-Reply-To: 's message of "Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:44:43 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Take a look at the website for the tulip drivers and the mail archives for the tulip mailing list. You will have varying amounts of success with one of these cards under Linux. Such as not working in a 100Mpbs environment. They work fine under OpenBSD, FreeBSD and Windoze. writes: > >Yeah, so I got a Linksys LNE100TX (has a Tested with Linux sticker on the > > > >-Yaron > > > > > > If you got one of the new really cheap LNE100TXs (like $15 mine was) you > probably got a revision 4. I had to use the nice new tulip at > http://www.scyld.com/network/updates.html > > - > > Ryan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Nov 8 21:28:34 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23588] Linksys (was: dead NIC) In-Reply-To: 's message of "Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:44:43 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Forgot the web address: http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Nov 8 21:33:33 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems In-Reply-To: <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 10:39:14AM -0600 References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001108213333.A5070@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 10:39:14AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: >>From time to time, yes. Lately though sound has been fine (Espically > >The steps to make-kpkg go something like this: >make menuconfig >make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image >make-kpkg modules_image (this builds extra modules in /usr/src/modules. The They must have changed make-kpkg then it never used to need the module_image. I by FAR prefer make bzlilo anyway unless I am going to scp the .deb. to many machines (i.e. in a cluster) >Debian packages for lm-sensors, alsa-source, i2c, and PCMICA extract to >/usr/src/moduels.) >cd /usr/src >dpkg -i kernel-image-version.deb modules-image-version.deb >Cross fingers and reboot. > >-- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 >21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 >Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 21:35:16 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <20001108213333.A5070@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <3A0A1B74.DFD434E@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > They must have changed make-kpkg then it never used to need the module_image. > > I by FAR prefer make bzlilo anyway unless I am going to scp the .deb. to many > machines (i.e. in a cluster) > So you are alive. You gonna show us all how cool GFS is on Saturday or what? From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 8 21:47:41 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <3A09F441.F1DDAE19@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A0A1E5D.6D23A9E5@fandre.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > > From time to time, yes. Lately though sound has been fine (Espically > > suprising since I now play Quake 3 under Linux.) You could try libesd-alsa0 > > instead of libesd0. (My onboard Via sound is supported through Alsa, if this > > doesn't apply to you, ignore me!) > > OK. I got alsa working with my onbord via. Thanks BTW. But when I try to > install libesd-alsa0 it wants to remove just about every helixgnome > package. How do I install it while keeping my helixgnome? > Figured it out. # apt-get install esound-alsa So I got alsa loaded now, but I still am having problems playing mp3s. I can play wavs fine, but mp3s have a fast clicking in the background. I've tried xmms and alsaplayer and I get the same results. From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Nov 8 22:21:40 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems In-Reply-To: <3A0A1B74.DFD434E@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:35:16PM -0600 References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <20001108213333.A5070@ares.usinternet.com> <3A0A1B74.DFD434E@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001108222140.A5472@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:35:16PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >So you are alive. You gonna show us all how cool GFS is on Saturday or >what? > Heh, I sent a mail to the list abotu that but my work address apparently isn't on the allow list anymore. I need to know wheat you guys wanna see, a: really technical discussion, slides no demo b. not quite as technical with a vmware demo / tutorial. My demo cluster is being used for memexpd lock server failover testing so I can't roll a little cluster, but a vmware demo is damn near as cool. You guys make the call, it's be myself and one other guy. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 8 22:34:20 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys thing Message-ID: Hi, Well, I got it to work... kinda pissed that this card doesn't work with the regular kernel module and requires it's own driver. Hopefully (if there's a new 2.2.*) it'll be built-in. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Nov 9 00:15:41 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23584] Not free CD from Appgen In-Reply-To: <0011081554390P.00274@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Sorry, but where I come from, a free CD means a CD without associated costs. What's supposed to be on that CD, anyway? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 9 01:16:43 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Solutions just sucks.... Message-ID: <20001109011643.A27814@real-time.com> Network Solutions Sucks! I am tring to get guardian crap work again. I thought maybe the problem with PGP 5.0, so I upgraded(?) to GNUPG, I get the same problem. > Thank you for contacting Network Solutions. Bite me! :-) > We have received your message, but are unable to process it at this > time. The most likely reasons why this may have happened are listed > below. Please review this list and compare the possible errors with > your message. If possible, correct the error and re-send your e-mail > to Network Solutions. > >> 5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: HD307-ORG > >> 5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Role Account > >> 5c. Name(Last, First)...............:=20 > >> 5d. Organization Name...............:=20 > >> 5e. Street Address..................:=20 > >> 5f. City............................:=20 > >> 5g. State...........................:=20 > >> 5h. Postal Code.....................:=20 > >> 5i. Country.........................:=20 > >> 5j. Phone Number....................:=20 > >> 5k. Fax Number......................:=20 > >> 5l. E-Mailbox.......................:=20 Here it is, all the =20 on the lines with no info. Any ideas what is cause this and how to get rid of it? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 9 06:25:25 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS Demo (Was Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems) References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <20001108213333.A5070@ares.usinternet.com> <3A0A1B74.DFD434E@fandre.com> <20001108222140.A5472@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <3A0A97B5.E75A426A@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Heh, I sent a mail to the list abotu that but my work address apparently isn't > on the allow list anymore. > > I need to know wheat you guys wanna see, > > a: really technical discussion, slides no demo > b. not quite as technical with a vmware demo / tutorial. > > My demo cluster is being used for memexpd lock server failover testing so I > can't roll a little cluster, but a vmware demo is damn near as cool. > > You guys make the call, it's be myself and one other guy. I will leave it up to you, unless other members have an opinion. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 9 08:00:18 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing References: Message-ID: <002e01c04a55$64ab5700$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Which card is that? I believe all the Linksys PCI (10/100TX up to version 4.1) cards are now supported by the tulip driver. As of kernel 2.2.14. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing > Hi, > > Well, I got it to work... kinda pissed that this card doesn't work with > the regular kernel module and requires it's own driver. Hopefully (if > there's a new 2.2.*) it'll be built-in. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From destef at destef.com Thu Nov 9 08:10:37 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20001109011643.A27814@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200011091410.IAA02846@mail.destef.com> For the record, I went through tons of headaches with Network Solutions way back when when I needed to make DNS nameserver changes to my domain. Lots of automated emails that didnt appear to tell me anything right or wrong. Took months to resolve so I'm not surprised Bob. Have your tried to call them?? hehehe...I bet you get a busy signal everytime too...just like I did. Maybe the competition these days will make them shape up. Jason At 01:16 AM 11/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >Network Solutions Sucks! > >I am tring to get guardian crap work again. I thought maybe the problem with PGP >5.0, so I upgraded(?) to GNUPG, I get the same problem. > >> Thank you for contacting Network Solutions. > >Bite me! :-) > >> We have received your message, but are unable to process it at this >> time. The most likely reasons why this may have happened are listed >> below. Please review this list and compare the possible errors with >> your message. If possible, correct the error and re-send your e-mail >> to Network Solutions. > >Windoze and PGP> > > > >> >> 5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: HD307-ORG >> >> 5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Role Account >> >> 5c. Name(Last, First)...............:=20 >> >> 5d. Organization Name...............:=20 >> >> 5e. Street Address..................:=20 >> >> 5f. City............................:=20 >> >> 5g. State...........................:=20 >> >> 5h. Postal Code.....................:=20 >> >> 5i. Country.........................:=20 >> >> 5j. Phone Number....................:=20 >> >> 5k. Fax Number......................:=20 >> >> 5l. E-Mailbox.......................:=20 > >Here it is, all the =20 on the lines with no info. Any ideas what is cause this >and how to get rid of it? > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From tsandqui at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 09:17:55 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: <200011091410.IAA02846@mail.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 08:10:37AM -0600 References: <20001109011643.A27814@real-time.com> <200011091410.IAA02846@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <20001109091755.B31255@yahoo.com> NetSol is horrible to work with. We had to deal with them about a month ago. I think the best thing to do is call them like Jason said. Just put it on speaker phone and wait it out, eventually someone answers. The problem is, way too often the person that answers doesn't have a clue. Once in a while you get someone that knows something. Do you have to use NetSol for this? I'm assuming you do cause you would have switched registrars by now if you could, I'm sure. Good luck. Tim On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 08:10:37AM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: > For the record, I went through tons of headaches with Network > Solutions way back when when I needed to make DNS nameserver > changes to my domain. Lots of automated emails that didnt appear > to tell me anything right or wrong. Took months to resolve so I'm not > surprised Bob. > > Have your tried to call them?? hehehe...I bet you get a busy signal > everytime too...just like I did. Maybe the competition these days will > make them shape up. > > Jason > > > At 01:16 AM 11/9/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Network Solutions Sucks! > > > >I am tring to get guardian crap work again. I thought maybe the problem > with PGP > >5.0, so I upgraded(?) to GNUPG, I get the same problem. > > > >> Thank you for contacting Network Solutions. > > > >Bite me! :-) > > > >> We have received your message, but are unable to process it at this > >> time. The most likely reasons why this may have happened are listed > >> below. Please review this list and compare the possible errors with > >> your message. If possible, correct the error and re-send your e-mail > >> to Network Solutions. > > > > >Windoze and PGP> > > > > > > > >> >> 5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: HD307-ORG > >> >> 5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Role Account > >> >> 5c. Name(Last, First)...............:=20 > >> >> 5d. Organization Name...............:=20 > >> >> 5e. Street Address..................:=20 > >> >> 5f. City............................:=20 > >> >> 5g. State...........................:=20 > >> >> 5h. Postal Code.....................:=20 > >> >> 5i. Country.........................:=20 > >> >> 5j. Phone Number....................:=20 > >> >> 5k. Fax Number......................:=20 > >> >> 5l. E-Mailbox.......................:=20 > > > >Here it is, all the =20 on the lines with no info. Any ideas what is cause > this > >and how to get rid of it? > > > >-- > >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Nov 9 09:04:16 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20001109011643.A27814@real-time.com> Message-ID: what mail client are you using.. i've been using pine to do all of my recent NSI changes. (god, what a hassle) it could be a characterset problem.. *shrug* Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Network Solutions Sucks! > > I am tring to get guardian crap work again. I thought maybe the problem with PGP > 5.0, so I upgraded(?) to GNUPG, I get the same problem. > > > Thank you for contacting Network Solutions. > > Bite me! :-) > > > We have received your message, but are unable to process it at this > > time. The most likely reasons why this may have happened are listed > > below. Please review this list and compare the possible errors with > > your message. If possible, correct the error and re-send your e-mail > > to Network Solutions. > > Windoze and PGP> > > > > > >> 5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: HD307-ORG > > >> 5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Role Account > > >> 5c. Name(Last, First)...............:=20 > > >> 5d. Organization Name...............:=20 > > >> 5e. Street Address..................:=20 > > >> 5f. City............................:=20 > > >> 5g. State...........................:=20 > > >> 5h. Postal Code.....................:=20 > > >> 5i. Country.........................:=20 > > >> 5j. Phone Number....................:=20 > > >> 5k. Fax Number......................:=20 > > >> 5l. E-Mailbox.......................:=20 > > Here it is, all the =20 on the lines with no info. Any ideas what is cause this > and how to get rid of it? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 9 08:51:21 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23584] Not free CD from Appgen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00110909051301.00189@Billbob_linux> He he.. > What's supposed to be on that CD, anyway? For the life of me I can't tell, Yaron. The marketing is so intentionally obscure that it's difficult to discern exactly what they are (or are not) giving away. I read some of the info on their site, and from what I can tell, they create and deploy network based applications, which use a Java thin client on the workstation side. This is the heart of their cross-platform solution. Here is a snip from their site: Who says there are no applications for Linux? Appgen PowerWindows general business and accounting applications are Linux-native, and have been since 1997. These are the first, and only, Linux accounting applications to be IBM Netfinity ServerProven, and PowerWindows was awarded the "Best Office Solution" by the Editors of Linux Journal in the Penguin Playoffs at Comdex/Linux Business Expo in Fall 1999. The Appgen Linux Java client, introduced earlier this year, means "No Windows Necessary". Now, small-to-midsize businesses can have all the benefits of GUI in a pure Linux environment. And, PowerWindows applications support both GUI PCs or character mode terminals, simultaneously. From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Nov 9 09:13:43 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing In-Reply-To: <002e01c04a55$64ab5700$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Which card is that? I believe all the Linksys PCI (10/100TX up to version > 4.1) cards are now supported by the tulip driver. As of kernel 2.2.14. That's what it is, (LNE100TX), but compiling tulip into the kernel had no impact. Compiling it as a module and trying to modprobe/insmod it said "Device or resource busy". Compiling the source they provided produced two modules - tulip.o and pci-scan.o. tulip.o requires the other module be insmodded first. I might've missed making that one in the kernel... anyone know where that is? It doesn't really matter since this is on my wife's machine, so it doesn't get the kernel updated as often. -Yaron -- From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Thu Nov 9 09:37:18 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:13:43 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Read my previous post about going to the tulip driver page. There are new drivers there that are really easy to compile for any 2.2 kernel. They use the new pci-scan module so if you load modules, pay attention to that. Yaron writes: > Hi, > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Which card is that? I believe all the Linksys PCI (10/100TX up to version > > 4.1) cards are now supported by the tulip driver. As of kernel 2.2.14. > > That's what it is, (LNE100TX), but compiling tulip into the kernel had no > impact. Compiling it as a module and trying to modprobe/insmod it said > "Device or resource busy". > > Compiling the source they provided produced two modules - tulip.o and > pci-scan.o. tulip.o requires the other module be insmodded first. I > might've missed making that one in the kernel... anyone know where that > is? > > It doesn't really matter since this is on my wife's machine, so it doesn't > get the kernel updated as often. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 9 10:44:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing References: Message-ID: <005e01c04a6c$52bfd180$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> What is the chip version (it will be 1.0, 2.0, 4.0, or 4.1)? I know for sure that the first two versions work - and I am 90% certain the latter two do (I saw the chip, Macronix in the tulip.c source code a couple months back). I know for sure the latter two versions work with FreeBSD as the dc driver - which is a tulip based driver. Chances are you have somehow loaded an incorrect module and it is not working - but it is using the resources. I think the de4x5 driver might load for some tulip based cards - but not work very well if at all (The old 10baseT Asante cards would work with either driver). Perhaps you could look through you logs (or use dmesg) to see if any other driver has been loaded. I believe the version 1.0 and version 2.0 cards will show up as "Lite-On 82c168 PNIC" and "Lite-On PNIC-II" cards respectively. The version 4.0 and 4.1 cards will show up as "ADMtek Comet" cards. I am not 100% sure about which version is which card - but it should be close. My version 2 card shows up as : "Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.10 (September 6, 2000)" "eth0: Lite-On PNIC-II rev 37 at 0xdc00, xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx, IRQ 11." (changed the MAC :) This is from the 2.4.0-test10 kernel - but it works fine with all kernels back to 2.2.14. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing > Hi, > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Which card is that? I believe all the Linksys PCI (10/100TX up to version > > 4.1) cards are now supported by the tulip driver. As of kernel 2.2.14. > > That's what it is, (LNE100TX), but compiling tulip into the kernel had no > impact. Compiling it as a module and trying to modprobe/insmod it said > "Device or resource busy". > > Compiling the source they provided produced two modules - tulip.o and > pci-scan.o. tulip.o requires the other module be insmodded first. I > might've missed making that one in the kernel... anyone know where that > is? > > It doesn't really matter since this is on my wife's machine, so it doesn't > get the kernel updated as often. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Thu Nov 9 10:54:23 2000 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23602] Linksys thing In-Reply-To: <005e01c04a6c$52bfd180$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: I have two LNE100TXs. The old one (version 2) worked fine with the stock 2.2.17 tulip. For the new one (4) I had to get the fresh tulip from http://www.scyld.com/network/updates.html I used the src rpm. It worked fine except I did get errors from depmod -a regarding one of the new drivers (I forget which one), which I promptly removed, and the error went away. - Ryan From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Nov 9 11:03:43 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Helix Gnome luser question Message-ID: <14858.55535.341000.27126@htc.honeywell.com> I just installed Helix Gnome on my PC at home and have been pretty happy with it. I was using KDE before and find Helix better if only because it returns me to the old familiar double-click behaviors! BUT I'm having one show-stopper that keeps me from switching over. Gnome doesn't seem to have a nice modem manager like KPPP (they have a modem lights applet, but it doesn't do any modem or connection config, so is pretty losing by comparison). I'd be happy to keep using kppp with gnome but, at least with sawfish, this doesn't work. Why? because kppp is supposed to be swallowed by the task-bar, leaving a display and a place to click to close the ppp connection. So...... 1. Is there an alternative gnome app that provides as much function as kppp does? (Is gppp-wvdial a good alternative?) 2. Alternatively, is there some way to make sawfish be more clever about the way it treats a kde app like kppp? Thanks! r From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 9 11:53:07 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] esound daemon v.s. 128+MB RAM (was Re: [TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems) In-Reply-To: <3A0A1E5D.6D23A9E5@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:47:41PM -0600 References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <3A09F441.F1DDAE19@fandre.com> <3A0A1E5D.6D23A9E5@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001109115307.B28331@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:47:41PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > So I got alsa loaded now, but I still am having problems playing mp3s. I > can play wavs fine, but mp3s have a fast clicking in the background. > I've tried xmms and alsaplayer and I get the same results. If you have >= 128MB RAM in your system, esd has problems. There is a patch to fix this available, but I'm not sure. You'll have to search for the esd website and read up on the lists. I do know it's available, however. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001109/45e3a24c/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 9 11:56:17 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23570] OT: Dead NIC? In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 07:02:37AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001109115617.C28331@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 07:02:37AM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > I ran a shop with all 3c905b's and never had a problem, but here it seems > that I've had 2 of these things go bad on me in about 6 months. I had > problems similar to what you describe. My web-cache server was using one > and we were seeing LOTS of errors on the interface. We moved it around on > different switches and cables, but finally ended up replacing the card. > > We only saw it happen when there was a lot of data. This machine does > about 2MByte/s sustained. I've had recent problems with the 3c59x.o driver with the Debian 2.2.17 kernel package. The only way to get my NIC (a 3com 3c905B-TX) to work was to boot to 2.0.36, download the kernel source, and compile it monolithically myself (make-kpkg, of course). Not sure why this problem exists -- haven't bothered to research it. I haven't noticed any packet drops or problems since. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001109/31e617e1/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 9 11:59:56 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23616] esound daemon v.s. 128+MB RAM (was Re:[TCLUG:23573] Debian sound problems) References: <3A09429B.944A4FAE@fandre.com> <3A0981B2.A099DC4@ltiflex.com> <3A09F441.F1DDAE19@fandre.com> <3A0A1E5D.6D23A9E5@fandre.com> <20001109115307.B28331@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A0AE61C.AA0A7E0B@fandre.com> Chewie wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:47:41PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > So I got alsa loaded now, but I still am having problems playing mp3s. I > > can play wavs fine, but mp3s have a fast clicking in the background. > > I've tried xmms and alsaplayer and I get the same results. > > If you have >= 128MB RAM in your system, esd has problems. There is a > patch to fix this available, but I'm not sure. You'll have to search > for the esd website and read up on the lists. I do know it's > available, however. Is this only on debian? Because it works fine for me in RH 6.2 and RH7. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 9 13:49:59 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20001109091755.B31255@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 09:17:55AM -0600 References: <20001109011643.A27814@real-time.com> <200011091410.IAA02846@mail.destef.com> <20001109091755.B31255@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001109134959.H14335@real-time.com> Quoting Tim Sandquist (tsandqui@yahoo.com): > NetSol is horrible to work with. > > We had to deal with them about a month ago. > I think the best thing to do is call them like Jason said. > Just put it on speaker phone and wait it out, eventually > someone answers. The problem is, way too often the person > that answers doesn't have a clue. Once in a while you get > someone that knows something. > > Do you have to use NetSol for this? I'm assuming you do cause > you would have switched registrars by now if you could, I'm sure. For this particular case, yes. I have to use NetSol. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 9 13:50:26 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 09:04:16AM -0600 References: <20001109011643.A27814@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001109135026.I14335@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > what mail client are you using.. i've been using pine to do all of my > recent NSI changes. (god, what a hassle) it could be a characterset > problem.. *shrug* > mutt 1.2i -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 9 14:05:52 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <00110909051301.00189@Billbob_linux> References: <00110909051301.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> I have Wine running on a Slackware 7.1 box. Windows apps are running fine, but I cannot get any network function. For instance, mIRC cannot find a server. Everyone I ask says that "it just works".. yet it doesn't work for me. Anyone else had this? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 9 14:08:24 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Items for sale In-Reply-To: <00110909051301.00189@Billbob_linux> References: <00110909051301.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <0011091431190A.00189@Billbob_linux> Stuff for sale, please respond off list. Trades potentially accepted.. 1) Linux/UNIX box - Compaq ProlineaMT: Pentium ODP @ 83Mhz, 32MB RAM, 420MB HD, PS/2 mouse & KB, parallel port, 2 serial ports, 10baseT NIC, FD1830 SCSI host adapter, 4X SCSI CD-ROM. New CMOS battery. This machine was my first Linux box, and has been extremely stable at all times. Case is very solid, in great shape, and well designed for easy access. $150.00 2) Matched PAIR Intel Pentium II XEON 450-1MB CPUs. The stepping numbers on these CPUs match, making them suitable for a dual-processor system. They are used, but in perfect condition. $250.00 or best offer -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 9 14:38:53 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23615] new Helix Gnome luser question References: <14858.55535.341000.27126@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <3A0B0B5D.D4649039@tc.umn.edu> > 2. Alternatively, is there some way to make sawfish be more clever > about the way it treats a kde app like kppp? One (admittedly half-baked) solution is to run with two panels -- one KDE taskbar and one for Gnome. I'm not exactly sure how to set that up, but it should be possible. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't count your Electoral / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Votes before they're cast. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From wilson at visi.com Thu Nov 9 15:08:22 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20001109134959.H14335@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Do you have to use NetSol for this? I'm assuming you do cause > > you would have switched registrars by now if you could, I'm sure. > > For this particular case, yes. I have to use NetSol. Since I may be registering a domain for myself in the next week or so, I wonder if someone can recommend a registrar other than NetSol. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Nov 9 15:09:06 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] autofs + smbfs Message-ID: <3A0B1272.B479CC3B@ltiflex.com> Following up on the suggestion, I got autofs working for my samba shares. Unfourtanately, the documentation was a bit dated. Anyway, here's a quick rundown of what it actually took: # Sample /etc/auto.master file # Format of this file: # mountpoint map options # For details of the format look at autofs(8). #/var/autofs/misc /etc/auto.misc /mnt/NTDomain /etc/auto.ltiflex # auto.ltiflex # This is an automounter map and it has the following format # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage username -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=null,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=600,workgroup=NTDOMAIN ://NTserver01/username$ archives -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=null,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=644,workgroup=NTDOMAIN ://NTServer02/archives$ install -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=null,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=644,workgroup=NTDOMAIN ://server02/install$ common -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=null,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=644,workgroup=NTDOMAIN ://server01/common apps -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=null,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=644,workgroup=NTDOMAIN ://server01/apps The good: I don't have to keep remounting my NT home share. The bad: The automounter doesn't recongize the $, so I had to add a share names to the NT servers that didn't have dollar signs. NT Password is outputted in plain text to /var/log/debug, /var/log/auth.log, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/daemon.log every time a share is mounted. NT Password is kept in plain text in /etc/auto.NTDOMAIN. Suggestion on how to stop that behavior are welcome. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Nov 9 15:12:47 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th Message-ID: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> Hi Folks - We'll be kicking things off at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis around 5:30 - 8. They have a back area of the bar near the pools tables and darts that we've reserved. Minors are allowed until 9pm. Here's the Specs: Town Hall Brewery 1430 Washington Ave S at: Cedar Ave Minneapolis Phone: Phone (612) 339-8696 here's the map: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapolis&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696&map_it.x=32&map_it.y=13 I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. Please email me if you are thinking of attending. I need to let the bar know how many are coming, asap. Thanks and hope to see you there! Jacque From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 9 15:16:09 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:08:22PM -0600 References: <20001109134959.H14335@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001109151609.L49630@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I registered through www.dotster.com. Pretty reasonably priced. Gabe On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:08:22PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Do you have to use NetSol for this? I'm assuming you do cause > > > you would have switched registrars by now if you could, I'm sure. > > > > For this particular case, yes. I have to use NetSol. > > Since I may be registering a domain for myself in the next week or so, I > wonder if someone can recommend a registrar other than NetSol. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Nov 9 15:14:43 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> References: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <00110915145400.30701@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I'll probably be there... On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Hi Folks - > > We'll be kicking things off at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis > around 5:30 - 8. They have a back area of the bar near the pools tables > and darts that we've reserved. Minors are allowed until 9pm. > > Here's the Specs: > > Town Hall Brewery > 1430 Washington Ave S > at: Cedar Ave > Minneapolis > Phone: Phone > (612) 339-8696 > > here's the map: > http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapolis&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696&map_it.x=32&map_it.y=13 > > I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. > > Please email me if you are thinking of attending. I need to let the bar > know how many are coming, asap. > > Thanks and hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 9 15:15:44 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> References: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux> Uh, maybe I am a little bit thick... > We'll be kicking things off at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis > around 5:30 - 8. They have a back area of the bar near the pools tables > and darts that we've reserved. Minors are allowed until 9pm. Is this happening *tonight* ? Bill Layer Sales Technician From andy at theasis.com Thu Nov 9 15:22:11 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: > Is this happening *tonight* ? Not according to the Subject line Andy > > > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Nov 9 15:21:59 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutionsjust sucks.... References: Message-ID: <3A0B1577.13A65C9C@ltiflex.com> > > Since I may be registering a domain for myself in the next week or so, I > wonder if someone can recommend a registrar other than NetSol. > > -Tim ringworld.org: Network Soultions (only registar at the time...too much depending on the domain to deal with transfering it else where.) g33ks.net: opensrs.net itouthouse.com: gkg.net I think the gkg was something like $12-15/year. So far, I've had no troubles with it. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 9 15:22:59 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutionsjust sucks.... References: Message-ID: <3A0B15B3.A16AC542@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Do you have to use NetSol for this? I'm assuming you do cause > > > you would have switched registrars by now if you could, I'm sure. > > > > For this particular case, yes. I have to use NetSol. > > Since I may be registering a domain for myself in the next week or so, I > wonder if someone can recommend a registrar other than NetSol. I know a guy who went through http://www.register.com and he loves it. Online info modification, cheap, and they will even do your DNS. From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 9 15:24:02 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:15:44PM -0600 References: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001109152402.B22145@sherohman.org> On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:15:44PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > Uh, maybe I am a little bit thick... > Is this happening *tonight* ? No, you just forgot to read the Subject: header. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 9 15:23:38 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <20001109152402.B22145@sherohman.org> References: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109152402.B22145@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <0011091524060G.00189@Billbob_linux> DOH! > > Is this happening *tonight* ? > > No, you just forgot to read the Subject: header. Bill Layer From andy at theasis.com Thu Nov 9 15:29:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutionsjust sucks.... In-Reply-To: <3A0B15B3.A16AC542@fandre.com> Message-ID: > > I know a guy who went through http://www.register.com and he loves it. > Online info modification, cheap, and they will even do your DNS. I've used register.com, and changes are generally easier than with NSI -- with NSI it always takes me a few tries. Their DNS isn't awesome tho -- sometimes their servers have gotten hit so hard that they can't find a name. Andy From mjn at umn.edu Thu Nov 9 15:30:46 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another MP3 player for your car... Message-ID: Just saw it on /. and I thought i would share: http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/ ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From psp at printwareinc.com Thu Nov 9 15:30:41 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutionsjust sucks.... Message-ID: <20001109213041566.AAA292@sumo> >ringworld.org: Network Soultions (only registar at the time...too much >depending on the domain to deal with transfering it else where.) What's the problem with transferring? Can't they transfer that without an outage? "Go ahead and transfer, but you'll be offline for three weeks"? Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Thu Nov 9 15:34:49 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <003101c04a94$e305d780$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > > Is this happening *tonight* ? Wish is was tonight :/ __________________________________________ * Jon Erickson * * NEI College of Technology * * 763.782.7342 * *------------------------------------------* From ben at nerp.net Thu Nov 9 15:39:10 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23637] Another MP3 player for your car... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yea.. i've seen this one. an interesting idea.. turn a normal IDE drive sled into a player.. quality is on the so-so side.. but it's far cheaper than my empeg :) on a side note.. empeg recently merged with S3's Rio division, i guess the empeg guys designed the software for the Rio Reciver home unit.. empeg's good tech guys, and S3's manufacturing.. sounds like a good deal to me. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, mjn wrote: > Just saw it on /. and I thought i would share: > > http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/ > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From bosco at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 9 15:52:33 2000 From: bosco at tc.umn.edu (Bosco) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:97] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th References: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <001301c04a97$5e2d0620$c0200bce@pclink.com> Jacque, I've never attended a TCLUG meeting before, but I'm very interested in becoming involved with the users' group. Is it appropriate for new or interested folks to attend this meeting? If so, I'd very much like to come. Thanks, Greg Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: "TCLUG Announcement list" ; Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:12 PM Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:97] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th > Hi Folks - > > We'll be kicking things off at the Town Hall Brewery in Minneapolis > around 5:30 - 8. They have a back area of the bar near the pools tables > and darts that we've reserved. Minors are allowed until 9pm. > > Here's the Specs: > > Town Hall Brewery > 1430 Washington Ave S > at: Cedar Ave > Minneapolis > Phone: Phone > (612) 339-8696 > > here's the map: > http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity _map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&ci ty=Minneapolis&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=% 28612%29+339-8696&map_it.x=32&map_it.y=13 > > I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. > > Please email me if you are thinking of attending. I need to let the bar > know how many are coming, asap. > > Thanks and hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-announce-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-announce-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Nov 9 16:01:55 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutionsjust sucks.... In-Reply-To: <3A0B1577.13A65C9C@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:21:59PM -0600 References: <3A0B1577.13A65C9C@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001109160155.O3002@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [001109 15:22]: > I think the gkg was something like $12-15/year. So far, I've had no troubles gkg seems to be a good netsol-feeling-like registar (in professionalism, well. if you think of netsol back in the day, when they weren't nearly as evil.) but without the CRAP that you get from netsol these days. I'm pretty impressed with them. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org < TheDude> vim just don't work on my system < Signal_11> TheDude: It only has two modes - typing and beep mode! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001109/c9710ec6/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Nov 9 16:04:43 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutionsjust sucks.... In-Reply-To: <20001109213041566.AAA292@sumo>; from psp@printwareinc.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:30:41PM -0600 References: <20001109213041566.AAA292@sumo> Message-ID: <20001109160443.Q3002@ringworld.org> * Phil Plumbo [001109 15:32]: > >ringworld.org: Network Soultions (only registar at the time...too much > >depending on the domain to deal with transfering it else where.) > > What's the problem with transferring? Can't they transfer that without an > outage? > "Go ahead and transfer, but you'll be offline for three weeks"? Well, its scary still right now. There have been absoulte horror stories, and there are no gaurentees that you will *keep* your domain if someone messes up. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org < TheDude> vim just don't work on my system < Signal_11> TheDude: It only has two modes - typing and beep mode! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:39:10PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001109160618.R3002@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [001109 15:40]: > good tech guys, and S3's manufacturing.. sounds like a good deal to me. Whowa, did you ever have some of the S3 cards? Plus, S3 did go on a suing spree a couple years back, That goes in line with the 'people who cant make the most money, need to find technologies and patent them, then sue the industry' thing. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org < TheDude> vim just don't work on my system < Signal_11> TheDude: It only has two modes - typing and beep mode! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> References: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> Message-ID: <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux> Working fine from out here in Hudstone, Bob. On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Tell me it's not so, but I cannot traceroute to google! > > Are they down? > -- Bill Layer From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 9 16:32:44 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 04:25:30PM -0600 References: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001109163244.Y8084@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (b.layer@vikingelectronics.com): > Working fine from out here in Hudstone, Bob. > > > On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Tell me it's not so, but I cannot traceroute to google! > > > > Are they down? > > % nslookup www.goggle.com Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 206.10.252.1 Name: www.goggle.com Address: 216.246.45.18 $ traceroute 216.246.45.18 traceroute to 216.246.45.18 (216.246.45.18), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 fe0-0-core-1 (206.10.252.254) 0.494 ms 0.367 ms 0.241 ms 2 sl-gw10-chi-5-1.sprintlink.net (144.228.52.125) 20.145 ms 11.214 ms 11.159 ms 3 sl-bb22-chi-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.10.102) 11.330 ms 11.821 ms 11.166 ms 4 sl-bb22-fw-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.18.122) 59.335 ms 35.026 ms 31.652 ms 5 sl-bb20-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.226) 34.127 ms 84.066 ms 79.704 ms 6 sl-bb21-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.18.62) 87.487 ms 113.255 ms 106.854 ms 7 sl-gw15-ana-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.166) 87.727 ms 56.711 ms 73.306 ms 8 sl-softwar-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.192.46) 94.881 ms 77.848 ms 70.325 ms 9 l0.hood.softaware.com (209.85.0.11) 92.474 ms 68.341 ms 57.837 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 9 16:34:50 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 04:25:16PM -0600 References: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001109163450.C22145@sherohman.org> On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 04:25:16PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Tell me it's not so, but I cannot traceroute to google! I'm currently getting DNS lookup failures for linuxtoday.com and am unable to contact freshmeat.net. I suspect some section of the net is down. (But I can get to google just fine...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Nov 9 16:39:31 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux> References: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <00110916411301.30927@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I can ping, but cannot traceroute here in Roseville: ---PING INFO--- bash-2.03$ ping -c 10 goggle.com PING goggle.com (216.246.45.18): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=87.185 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=88.058 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=87.562 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=94.388 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=4 ttl=52 time=95.262 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=5 ttl=52 time=86.887 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=6 ttl=52 time=86.413 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=7 ttl=52 time=93.247 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=8 ttl=52 time=93.463 ms 64 bytes from 216.246.45.18: icmp_seq=9 ttl=52 time=91.665 ms --- goggle.com ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 86.413/90.413/95.262/3.328 ms ---END PING INFO--- ---TRACEROUTE INFO--- bash-2.03$ traceroute goggle.com traceroute to goggle.com (216.246.45.18), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 gateway (63.228.57.6) 0.884 ms 0.858 ms 0.803 ms 2 loop1.mpls-dsl-gw8.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.4.254) 19.697 ms 19.422 ms 18.768 ms 3 103.fa4-0-0.mpls-agw2.mpls.uswest.net (207.225.140.126) 202.963 ms 179.634 ms 169.037 ms 4 gig2-0.mpls-gw1.mpls.uswest.net (207.225.159.218) 19.991 ms 20.590 ms 19.316 ms 5 500.Serial0-0-1.GW2.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.106.209) 21.343 ms 20.735 ms 22.035 ms 6 152.ATM4-0.XR1.CHI1.ALTER.NET (146.188.209.122) 30.145 ms 31.323 ms 30.019 ms 7 195.ATM3-0.TR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (146.188.208.214) 31.191 ms 30.644 ms 31.305 ms 8 106.ATM7-0.TR1.LAX2.ALTER.NET (146.188.136.138) 203.524 ms 204.335 ms 196.650 ms 9 199.ATM6-0.XR1.LAX4.ALTER.NET (146.188.248.241) 88.144 ms 89.642 ms 88.804 ms 10 193.ATM6-0.GW6.LAX4.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.153) 89.575 ms 88.997 ms 89.541 ms 11 softawareoc3-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.200.214) 87.537 ms 84.133 ms 85.654 ms 12 l0.hood.softaware.com (209.85.0.11) 89.636 ms 91.633 ms 90.857 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * bash-2.03$ ---END TRACEROUTE INFO--- On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Working fine from out here in Hudstone, Bob. > > > On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Tell me it's not so, but I cannot traceroute to google! > > > > Are they down? > > > -- > Bill Layer > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Nov 9 16:52:03 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Open source mp3 broadcast Message-ID: <3A0B2A93.ADAFD7F0@tcfreenet.org> Okay, got icecast server up on perkinz.org. Currently sourced from my xmms with liveice. Playing the entire contents of my HD. Mp3 encoder's a cracked copy of mp3enc though. *cough* http://www.perkinz.org:8000 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 9 16:47:52 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <00110916411301.30927@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> References: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux> <00110916411301.30927@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <0011091649350M.00189@Billbob_linux> This is almost as good as my not reading the subject line about beer... > bash-2.03$ traceroute goggle.com > traceroute to goggle.com (216.246.45.18), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets That's "Google", not "Goggle" :p -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From andy at theasis.com Thu Nov 9 17:01:46 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Tell me it's not so, but I cannot traceroute to google! > > Are they down? I think it's network issues on exodus. Andy From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Nov 9 17:06:17 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <0011091649350M.00189@Billbob_linux> References: <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> <00110916411301.30927@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <0011091649350M.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <00110917090400.31074@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Ok, here are the results from my connection in Roseville for the correct site this time: ---PING INFO--- bash-2.03$ ping -c 10 google.com PING google.com (64.208.34.100): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=134.395 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=114.259 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=123.070 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=108.751 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=108.920 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=5 ttl=49 time=115.111 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=6 ttl=49 time=121.262 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=7 ttl=49 time=113.965 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=8 ttl=49 time=146.881 ms 64 bytes from 64.208.34.100: icmp_seq=9 ttl=49 time=117.310 ms --- google.com ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 108.751/120.392/146.881/11.354 ms ---END PING INFO ---TRACEROUTE INFO--- bash-2.03$ traceroute google.com traceroute to google.com (64.208.32.100), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 gateway (63.228.57.6) 0.910 ms 0.827 ms 0.828 ms 2 loop1.mpls-dsl-gw8.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.4.254) 18.993 ms 20.061 ms 19.374 ms 3 103.fa4-0-0.mpls-agw2.mpls.uswest.net (207.225.140.126) 20.768 ms 20.537 ms 20.045 ms 4 gig3-0.mpls-gw2.mpls.uswest.net (207.225.159.251) 19.424 ms 20.042 ms 20.063 ms 5 s3-0-1.minneapol1-cr1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.246.253) 316.862 ms 36.507 ms 362.550 ms 6 s5-0-9.chcgil1-cr4.bbnplanet.net (4.24.6.189) 31.189 ms 30.687 ms 31.299 ms 7 p7-1.chcgil1-ba2.bbnplanet.net (4.24.5.245) 30.700 ms 29.324 ms 31.321 ms 8 p7-0.chcgil1-br2.bbnplanet.net (4.24.5.237) 30.672 ms 31.359 ms 30.616 ms 9 p4-0.chcgil1-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.5.225) 30.056 ms 31.337 ms 29.940 ms 10 so-4-1-0.chcgil2-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.9.69) 34.676 ms 33.319 ms 32.625 ms 11 p1-0.chcgil2-cr11.bbnplanet.net (4.24.6.22) 31.263 ms 30.025 ms 31.290 ms 12 p3-0.bstnma1-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.6.86) 50.576 ms 51.801 ms 50.478 ms 13 p7-0.bstnma1-ba1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.7.118) 51.844 ms 51.795 ms 51.782 ms 14 p0-0-0.bstnma1-cr5.bbnplanet.net (4.24.4.202) 54.534 ms 60.582 ms 58.409 ms 15 ar1.bos1.gblx.net (4.24.89.2) 67.714 ms 72.479 ms 78.273 ms 16 pos2-0-155M.cr2.BOS1.gblx.net (206.132.247.53) 77.619 ms 90.299 ms 85.566 ms 17 pos4-0-2488M.cr1.SNV3.gblx.net (208.50.169.74) 117.429 ms 111.988 ms 109.361 ms 18 pos0-0-2488M.hr2.SNV3.gblx.net (208.178.255.121) 110.770 ms 120.749 ms 107.434 ms 19 192.168.51.3 (192.168.51.3) 109.439 ms 148.785 ms 104.770 ms 20 64.208.39.246 (64.208.39.246) 104.470 ms 105.066 ms 106.807 ms 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * bash-2.03$ ---END TRACEROUTE INFO On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > This is almost as good as my not reading the subject line about beer... > > > bash-2.03$ traceroute goggle.com > > traceroute to goggle.com (216.246.45.18), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > > That's "Google", not "Goggle" :p > > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 9 17:20:44 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23650] Open source mp3 broadcast In-Reply-To: <3A0B2A93.ADAFD7F0@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 04:52:03PM -0600 References: <3A0B2A93.ADAFD7F0@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001109172044.D22145@sherohman.org> On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 04:52:03PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay, got icecast server up on perkinz.org. Currently sourced from my > xmms with liveice. Playing the entire contents of my HD. Mp3 encoder's a > cracked copy of mp3enc though. *cough* > > http://www.perkinz.org:8000 How does one access it? My assumption that I could just hit "+ URL" on my copy of XMMS and give it that address appears to be incorrect. Netscape goes off into space as well if I feed it that URL (with or without the :8000, so if you're running an httpd on :80, it could just be a network problem). -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 9 17:23:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... Message-ID: http://www.joker.com I've been using them for some time, and for DNS, I use granitecanyon.com. Joker charges $13 a year to register your domain, and granitecanyon.com is free. Joker is based out of Germany, but they work just as well as any other registrar, and they have a web interface that works pretty well. They need to hire a web designer because their site looks like crap, but I've registered at least 4 .com's through them and I've had no problems at all. Plus, you can't beat the $13 price tag. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: psp@printwareinc.com [mailto:psp@printwareinc.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network > Solutionsjust sucks.... > > > >ringworld.org: Network Soultions (only registar at the > time...too much > >depending on the domain to deal with transfering it else where.) > > What's the problem with transferring? Can't they transfer > that without an > outage? > "Go ahead and transfer, but you'll be offline for three weeks"? > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: > 651-456-1400 > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: > 651-454-3684 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From wilson at visi.com Thu Nov 9 17:29:55 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23615] new Helix Gnome luser question In-Reply-To: <14858.55535.341000.27126@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > BUT I'm having one show-stopper that keeps me from switching over. > Gnome doesn't seem to have a nice modem manager like KPPP (they have a > modem lights applet, but it doesn't do any modem or connection config, > so is pretty losing by comparison). Hmmm. My Helix-Gnome setup includes v 1.2.3 of "Modem Lights Applet" which is dialing my ISP quite nicely. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From destef at destef.com Thu Nov 9 18:12:45 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: <0011091649350M.00189@Billbob_linux> References: <00110916411301.30927@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20001109162516.U8084@real-time.com> <0011091626060L.00189@Billbob_linux> <00110916411301.30927@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <200011100012.SAA03474@mail.destef.com> Many of you may already know this but its common for traceroute to not answer from certain routers even though the connection is fine. This has to do with blocking the TTL expiring ICMP messages generated from the UDP packets sent during a traceroute. In other words, traceroute is a bad tool to use verify connectivity. Ping is better assuming the host isnt firewalling it. When in doubt, use nmap! :) unless, of course, you are scanning my network....then dont use nmap. :) At 04:47 PM 11/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >This is almost as good as my not reading the subject line about beer... > >> bash-2.03$ traceroute goggle.com >> traceroute to goggle.com (216.246.45.18), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > >That's "Google", not "Goggle" :p > > >-- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > > >+----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > >+----------------------------------+ > >"Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 9 19:20:48 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? Message-ID: > I think it's network issues on exodus. > > Andy Exodus? Have network issues? Never. > -----Original Message----- > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? > > > > > Tell me it's not so, but I cannot traceroute to google! > > > > Are they down? > > I think it's network issues on exodus. > > Andy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From wilson at visi.com Thu Nov 9 20:30:55 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a font Message-ID: Hey everyone, On my old Mandrake 7.1 system I had a font called, IIRC, Kenyan Coffee. I wonder if someone who's running Mandrake could check and see if that font's included with Mandrake or if I'm imagining things. I used that font to create a logo with the GIMP and I need to change some things on it. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Nov 9 21:54:45 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 07:20:48PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001109215445.S3002@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001109 19:21]: > > I think it's network issues on exodus. > Exodus? Have network issues? Never. Heh. sourceforge *had* some boxes there, until they went down for 2 days or so because of 'issues'. When we got the va tour when we met some people at lwce, they had everything at VA. I dont know if they moved anything back. Supposedly someone figured out the en password and had some fun. Or so the rumors fly. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org < TheDude> vim just don't work on my system < Signal_11> TheDude: It only has two modes - typing and beep mode! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001109/5ad217ef/attachment.pgp From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Nov 9 23:30:17 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 02:05:52PM -0600 References: <00110909051301.00189@Billbob_linux> <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 02:05:52PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >I have Wine running on a Slackware 7.1 box. Windows apps are running fine, but >I cannot get any network function. For instance, mIRC cannot find a server. >Everyone I ask says that "it just works".. yet it doesn't work for me. Anyone >else had this? why would you use mIrc over epic, bitchx, xchat? Of all things you'd need on a linux box taht are windows only I'd think an irc would be the least. > > -- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Nov 9 23:38:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23650] Open source mp3 broadcast References: <3A0B2A93.ADAFD7F0@tcfreenet.org> <20001109172044.D22145@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A0B89E8.718E996@tcfreenet.org> > How does one access it? My assumption that I could just hit "+ URL" on my > copy of XMMS and give it that address appears to be incorrect. Netscape goes > off into space as well if I feed it that URL (with or without the :8000, so > if you're running an httpd on :80, it could just be a network problem). Might have been down because no one was listening and I needed some CPU power. :P www. may or may not be messing it up. http://perkinz.org:8000 in winamp/xmms whatever. Do it quick and you might actually get something. :P From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Nov 9 23:33:27 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23626] Beer Meeting Number One- Thursday Novemeber 16th In-Reply-To: <0011091524060G.00189@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:23:38PM -0600 References: <3A0B134E.DE86B5D2@fruitioninc.com> <0011091516280E.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109152402.B22145@sherohman.org> <0011091524060G.00189@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001109233327.B424@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:23:38PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >DOH! I missed it too, it's kinda truncated in Mutt :-) I'll be there. Should be a ball. > >> > Is this happening *tonight* ? >> >> No, you just forgot to read the Subject: header. > >Bill Layer > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 10 00:27:02 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? Message-ID: We had ALOT of equipment with them, not anymore. They really hassle you when you want to move your equipment out, go to http://www.exodussucks.com They tried to pull the same crap with us. Plus, their pricing sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:55 PM Cc: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23645] Goggle down? * Austad, Jay [001109 19:21]: > > I think it's network issues on exodus. > Exodus? Have network issues? Never. Heh. sourceforge *had* some boxes there, until they went down for 2 days or so because of 'issues'. When we got the va tour when we met some people at lwce, they had everything at VA. I dont know if they moved anything back. Supposedly someone figured out the en password and had some fun. Or so the rumors fly. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org < TheDude> vim just don't work on my system < Signal_11> TheDude: It only has two modes - typing and beep mode! From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 10 08:37:00 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> References: <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> > why would you use mIrc over epic, bitchx, xchat? Of all things you'd need on a > linux box taht are windows only I'd think an irc would be the least. This isn't about a favorite IRC client, it's about furthering my knowledge of all things Linux, in this case, WINE. While I agree that there are better solutions for running Windows apps in Linux, WINE is still important (and fairly interesting, too). FWIW, I use BitchX, and once in a while, Xchat. Never tried EPIC, heard it's good. Considering moving away from BX, as I am too lame to read BitchX.doc ;) -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Nov 10 08:56:07 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 08:37:00AM -0600 References: <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Why move away from BitchX? I have yet to find an IRC client that I like better. Hail BitchX, Gabe On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 08:37:00AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > > why would you use mIrc over epic, bitchx, xchat? Of all things you'd need on a > > linux box taht are windows only I'd think an irc would be the least. > > This isn't about a favorite IRC client, it's about furthering my knowledge of > all things Linux, in this case, WINE. While I agree that there are better > solutions for running Windows apps in Linux, WINE is still important (and > fairly interesting, too). > > FWIW, I use BitchX, and once in a while, Xchat. Never tried EPIC, heard it's > good. Considering moving away from BX, as I am too lame to read BitchX.doc ;) > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blutgens at usinternet.com Fri Nov 10 09:16:11 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 08:37:00AM -0600 References: <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001110091611.A11533@ares.usinternet.com> On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 08:37:00AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >> why would you use mIrc over epic, bitchx, xchat? Of all things you'd need on a >> linux box taht are windows only I'd think an irc would be the least. > >This isn't about a favorite IRC client, it's about furthering my knowledge of >all things Linux, in this case, WINE. While I agree that there are better >solutions for running Windows apps in Linux, WINE is still important (and >fairly interesting, too). O.k. sheesh Bill you had me scared for a minnute. I thought maybe the LUG was going to have to plan an "Intervention" :-) > >FWIW, I use BitchX, and once in a while, Xchat. Never tried EPIC, heard it's >good. Considering moving away from BX, as I am too lame to read BitchX.doc ;) > >-- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 10 09:20:16 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <20001110091611.A11533@ares.usinternet.com> References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110091611.A11533@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <00111009284203.00187@Billbob_linux> > O.k. sheesh Bill you had me scared for a minnute. I thought maybe the LUG was > going to have to plan an "Intervention" :-) I might be on crack over here in Frogtown, but I'd use Debian before I resorted to a Win32 IRC client . -- Bill Layer From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 10 09:29:16 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BitchX - was Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00111009344404.00187@Billbob_linux> y0, On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Why move away from BitchX? I have yet to find an IRC client that I like > better. Because the documentation for BX blows goats, especially the online help. I like BX quite a bit too, but what good is the World's Greatest IRC client, if I can't use it to it's full potential? BitchX.doc is a joke... do you know of a comprehensive document? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Nov 10 09:44:42 2000 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <20001110091611.A11533@ares.usinternet.com> References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001110093759.00be8840@mail.bitstream.net> Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like I've been doing that is. And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep such bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. Thanks, Brady From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 10 09:34:59 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Caldera NetWare client on Slackware-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00111009430205.00187@Billbob_linux> I gave up on trying to find any information on setting up the Caldera NetWare client on non-Caldera (and non-RedHat) systems, so I figured it out myself, and hacked up a little document on it. I still have one fairly annoying issue to solve (clean shutdown), and I am sure that one of the smart shell programmers on the list will be able to fix it quickly. If it's ok, I'd like to post the HOWTO & modified nwclient script to the list, for comment, correction and review. If I can solve the shutdown issue, I am prepared to submit the revised document to the Linux Documentation Project. I will happily credit whomever is able to solve the shutdown issue. Without objection, I'll post it in a half-hour. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From andy at theasis.com Fri Nov 10 09:46:24 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001110093759.00be8840@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like I've > been doing that is. ntpdate or xntp3 > And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep such > bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I > went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an > extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an > hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. The OS only reads the time from the hardware clock. There's a very nice explanation in the docs for the above programs. Andy > > Thanks, > Brady From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Nov 10 09:54:17 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23669] BitchX - was Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <00111009344404.00187@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 09:29:16AM -0600 References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00111009344404.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001110095417.G51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, there's the usual documentation here http://www.bitchx.org/docs.html and there's a little bit of stuff here http://www.infonet.ee/BitchX/ but it's still a bit sketchy... What do you need to do that you can't figure out? Just found this too. Fairly comprehensive: http://www.bitchx.com/online-help.php Gabe On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 09:29:16AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > y0, > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Why move away from BitchX? I have yet to find an IRC client that I like > > better. > > Because the documentation for BX blows goats, especially the online help. I > like BX quite a bit too, but what good is the World's Greatest IRC client, if I > can't use it to it's full potential? BitchX.doc is a joke... do you know of a > comprehensive document? > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjn at umn.edu Fri Nov 10 09:53:57 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001110093759.00be8840@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like I've > been doing that is. i just use rdate. I used a script like this: #!/usr/bin/perl $RDATE="/usr/bin/rdate -s 128.101.101.101"; $RDATE; And made an entry in crontab for root to update it twice a day. Anyone else have better suggestions? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 10 09:50:39 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23669] BitchX - was Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE In-Reply-To: <20001110095417.G51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <00111009344404.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110095417.G51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00111009512006.00187@Billbob_linux> Gabe - This is more than I have ever found. Thanks for these links! BitchX Rex. On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Well, there's the usual documentation here > > http://www.bitchx.org/docs.html > > and there's a little bit of stuff here > > http://www.infonet.ee/BitchX/ > > but it's still a bit sketchy... What do you need to do that you can't > figure out? > > Just found this too. Fairly comprehensive: > > http://www.bitchx.com/online-help.php > > Gabe > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 09:29:16AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > > y0, > > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > > Why move away from BitchX? I have yet to find an IRC client that I like > > > better. > > > > Because the documentation for BX blows goats, especially the online help. I > > like BX quite a bit too, but what good is the World's Greatest IRC client, if I > > can't use it to it's full potential? BitchX.doc is a joke... do you know of a > > comprehensive document? > > > > -- > > Bill Layer > > Sales Technician > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From mjn at umn.edu Fri Nov 10 09:55:13 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23671] Caldera NetWare client on Slackware-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <00111009430205.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: > I gave up on trying to find any information on setting up the Caldera NetWare > client on non-Caldera (and non-RedHat) systems, so I figured it out myself, and > hacked up a little document on it. I still have one fairly annoying issue to > solve (clean shutdown), and I am sure that one of the smart shell programmers on > the list will be able to fix it quickly. > > If it's ok, I'd like to post the HOWTO & modified nwclient script to the list, > for comment, correction and review. If I can solve the shutdown issue, I am > prepared to submit the revised document to the Linux Documentation Project. I > will happily credit whomever is able to solve the shutdown issue. > I am using the Caldera client on RH but I'd be interested in what it takes to get it working on another flavor of Linux... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From veldy at veldy.net Fri Nov 10 10:12:03 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: Message-ID: <007f01c04b30$f73f2d40$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> I have yet to find a nice piece of documentation to get these to work. Everytime I try I get information from a server, I get some sort of error - usually telling me that the server does not support NTP. I have visited many websites - and it appears to me that you need to register with a server before they will let you download time data. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like I've > > been doing that is. > > ntpdate or xntp3 > > > And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep such > > bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I > > went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an > > extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an > > hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. > > The OS only reads the time from the hardware clock. > There's a very nice explanation in the docs for the above programs. > > Andy > > > > > Thanks, > > Brady > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From mkroska at readynetgo.com Fri Nov 10 10:14:36 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <007f01c04b30$f73f2d40$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: I use a 1 liner in /etc/cron.weekly/ to keep things "timely" here. The gov't server is as accurate as I feel necessary: rdate -s time.nist.gov and set the perms to 770, owned by root, good to go! You could of course run it daily, but weekly seems frequent enough. MK On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I have yet to find a nice piece of documentation to get these to work. > Everytime I try I get information from a server, I get some sort of error - > usually telling me that the server does not support NTP. > > I have visited many websites - and it appears to me that you need to > register with a server before they will let you download time data. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > > > > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > > > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like > I've > > > been doing that is. > > > > ntpdate or xntp3 > > > > > And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep > such > > > bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I > > > went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an > > > extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an > > > hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. > > > > The OS only reads the time from the hardware clock. > > There's a very nice explanation in the docs for the above programs. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brady > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From veldy at veldy.net Fri Nov 10 10:28:22 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: <007f01c04b30$f73f2d40$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: <009201c04b33$3eccd340$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Never mind - I need to use the -s argument apparently [to ntpdate]. ntpdate -s time.nist.gov Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > I have yet to find a nice piece of documentation to get these to work. > Everytime I try I get information from a server, I get some sort of error - > usually telling me that the server does not support NTP. > > I have visited many websites - and it appears to me that you need to > register with a server before they will let you download time data. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > > > > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > > > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like > I've > > > been doing that is. > > > > ntpdate or xntp3 > > > > > And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep > such > > > bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I > > > went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an > > > extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an > > > hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. > > > > The OS only reads the time from the hardware clock. > > There's a very nice explanation in the docs for the above programs. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brady > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Nov 10 10:30:16 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: Message-ID: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> ntpdate adjusts the speed of the clock. This avoids problems with changing the time. It recommends that you run ntpdate every hour or two. I chose every two as my time does not drift much at all. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark K" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > I use a 1 liner in /etc/cron.weekly/ to keep things "timely" here. The > gov't server is as accurate as I feel necessary: > rdate -s time.nist.gov > and set the perms to 770, owned by root, good to go! > You could of course run it daily, but weekly seems frequent enough. > > MK > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > I have yet to find a nice piece of documentation to get these to work. > > Everytime I try I get information from a server, I get some sort of error - > > usually telling me that the server does not support NTP. > > > > I have visited many websites - and it appears to me that you need to > > register with a server before they will let you download time data. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > > > > > > > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > > > > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like > > I've > > > > been doing that is. > > > > > > ntpdate or xntp3 > > > > > > > And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep > > such > > > > bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I > > > > went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an > > > > extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an > > > > hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. > > > > > > The OS only reads the time from the hardware clock. > > > There's a very nice explanation in the docs for the above programs. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brady > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From jack at jacku.com Fri Nov 10 10:32:52 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:23619] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23604] Network Solutions just sucks.... Message-ID: <20001110163252.20078.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> FWIW when I registered jacku.com I "parked" it with DomainDirect (one of the TUCOWS group). At the time I needed to register with NetSol but now they do it themselves. You can just register through them or go for the full services package which includes: domain parking, e-mail and url forwarding, and a bunch of other services. Jack On Thu, 09 November 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Do you have to use NetSol for this? I'm assuming you do cause > > > you would have switched registrars by now if you could, I'm sure. > > > > For this particular case, yes. I have to use NetSol. > > Since I may be registering a domain for myself in the next week or so, I > wonder if someone can recommend a registrar other than NetSol. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Nov 10 10:35:52 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23669] BitchX - was Re: [TCLUG:23621] Network access in WINE References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110085607.C51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00111009344404.00187@Billbob_linux> <20001110095417.G51967@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A0C23E8.4BCE4717@ltiflex.com> Here's a quickie so BitchX doesn't proclaim you to be lame: export IRCNICK=YourNickHere export IRCNAME="Name, Quote, Whatever" export IRCSERVER=irc.debian.org -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 10 10:44:34 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23625] autofs + smbfs In-Reply-To: <3A0B1272.B479CC3B@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:09:06PM -0600 References: <3A0B1272.B479CC3B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001110104434.I28331@wookimus.net> On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:09:06PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Following up on the suggestion, I got autofs working for my samba shares. > Unfourtanately, the documentation was a bit dated. Just a bit? > Anyway, here's a quick rundown of what it actually took: > # Sample /etc/auto.master file > # Format of this file: > # mountpoint map options > # For details of the format look at autofs(8). > #/var/autofs/misc /etc/auto.misc > /mnt/NTDomain /etc/auto.ltiflex OK. This looks fine. > # auto.ltiflex > # This is an automounter map and it has the following format > # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location > # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage > username > -fstype=smbfs,username=username,password=null,netbiosname=wsname,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=600,workgroup=NTDOMAIN ..[snip].. > The good: > I don't have to keep remounting my NT home share. > > The bad: > The automounter doesn't recongize the $, so I had to add a share names to > the NT servers that didn't have dollar signs. > NT Password is outputted in plain text to /var/log/debug, /var/log/auth.log, > /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/daemon.log every time a share is mounted. > NT Password is kept in plain text in /etc/auto.NTDOMAIN. OK. Zibby. You've almost got the answer, although you overlooked the smbclient and related manpages. In particular, you forgot about the PASSWD environment variable. By providing this environment variable in the /etc/init.d/autofs script, you effectively remove it from all log files. The disadvantage is that you can only mount with the given uid/gid. IOW, it's not a true representation as to who mounted the files. If you're trying to roll this out to everyone, and you want to preserve the uid/gid of the person accessing the files, it won't scale. The line I added was: test -f /etc/auto.NTDOMAIN.passwd && source /etc/auto.NTDOMAIN.passwd Of course, auto.NTDOMAIN.passwd would have the plain text password. Change user permissions to the file to 700. Personally, I would mount the RO filesystems in the manner described above, then use smbclient for user-specific RW access to the shares. Or, if you're hosting these shares with NFS as well, connect via NFS instead. If that's not a problem for you, no biggie. Consider creating a user for your machine name for these mounts so you could at least track WHERE the changes were made from. Also, remember that automount uses NFS wildcards and aliases. Included in these are the '*', the '&', and yes, the '$'. Pick up the "Managing NFS and NIS" by O'Reily publishing for more details. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001110/ab091779/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 10 10:53:13 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:11:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23615] new Helix Gnome luser question In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 05:29:55PM -0600 References: <14858.55535.341000.27126@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20001110105313.K28331@wookimus.net> On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > BUT I'm having one show-stopper that keeps me from switching over. > Gnome doesn't seem to have a nice modem manager like KPPP (they > have a modem lights applet, but it doesn't do any modem or > connection config, so is pretty losing by comparison). On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 05:29:55PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hmmm. My Helix-Gnome setup includes v 1.2.3 of "Modem Lights Applet" which > is dialing my ISP quite nicely. As Tim indicated, Modem Lights Applet "does" have connect/disconnect capabilities. I believe it either ties into pon/poff, or more recently with Debian, ifup ppp0, ifdown ppp0. Switch over or no, you should learn how to edit your ppp scripts by hand anyway. You should have a number of /etc/ppp/peer/* files for the different servers you connect to and a number of differnet /etc/chatscripts/* that correspond with those /etc/ppp/peer/* files. Likewise, learn how to add your passwords to /etc/ppp/pam-secrets file. If you're using Debian, you can tie in the ppp? interface names to different call providers using the /etc/network/interfaces configuration file. IOW, you're not learning how to use your system if you're relying on KPPP. If you're using Linuxconf, you're submitting yourself to yet another crutch. Weene yourself off of these tools, as they will stop you from "switching over." If you're still hell-bent on using a graphical button to call your provider, I'm sure you can find something out there. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23685] local mysql References: Message-ID: <00b601c04b38$98dc4c80$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> I am not sure why you are looking for a localhost directory, there isn't likely to be one. That is the same as address 127.0.0.1. Also, MySQL runs on port 3306 by default. GL Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Astleford" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: [TCLUG:23685] local mysql hey guys, i cant get mandrake 7 to find mysql on the localhost, connection fails(port 111) whenever i run mysqladmin or mysql utilities. Plus, a very dumb question, where the hell is the localhost directory, i need to replace the content and I cant find it! Thanks! Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group brettastleford@visi.com From parker at mi-recordz.com Fri Nov 10 11:06:16 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23685] local mysql In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Brett Astleford wrote: > hey guys, > > i cant get mandrake 7 to find mysql on the localhost, connection fails(port 111) whenever i run mysqladmin or mysql utilities. Plus, a very dumb question, where the hell is the localhost directory, i need to replace the content and I cant find it! It would probably help if you pasted your command and the subequent error message. Sometimes it's not apparenent what a person is attempting to do and it's equally difficult to ask the correct questions. > Thanks! > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > brettastleford@visi.com > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 10 11:12:46 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] local mysql In-Reply-To: ; from ghettobretto@hotmail.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 10:59:29AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001110111246.Y22429@real-time.com> Quoting Brett Astleford (ghettobretto@hotmail.com): > hey guys, > > i cant get mandrake 7 to find mysql on the localhost, connection fails(port > 111) whenever i run mysqladmin or mysql utilities. Plus, a very dumb > question, where the hell is the localhost directory, i need to replace the > content and I cant find it! Port 111 is sunrpc. MySQL stuff should be be connecting to that port. I cannot remember if NIS needs to have portmapper, which runs on port 111. Anyone on this? If you are running NIS and somethings foobar'd then you'd get something like this error message. They default rpm for MySQL puts everything into /var/lib/mysql I am not sure what you mean by localhost directory. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Nov 10 11:35:36 2000 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23685] local mysql In-Reply-To: Message-ID: By localhost directory I take it you mean the root for apache? If so, take a look in /home/httpd/html/, this is where Redhat puts it, so I'd expect Mandrake to be similar. It should also be defined in your httpd.conf file. Jeff On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Brett Astleford wrote: > hey guys, > > i cant get mandrake 7 to find mysql on the localhost, connection > fails(port 111) whenever i run mysqladmin or mysql utilities. Plus, a > very dumb question, where the hell is the localhost directory, i need > to replace the content and I cant find it! > > Thanks! > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > brettastleford@visi.com > From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Nov 10 12:16:30 2000 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] login problem In-Reply-To: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001110115418.00be13a0@mail.bitstream.net> I made a couple changes to my system and now I can't login. I added a line to my /etc/profile file and I made a change to the /etc/passwd file to have root use bash instead of sh. After I changed the /etc/passwd file I logged in from another console and I was able to get in ok but after logging out my main console I couldn't get back in. When I login as root it says: Last login: Sat Oct 21 21:19:53 on tty1 You have new mail. Then it gives me a blinking cursor but no prompt and it doesn't respond to keystrokes except ctrl-alt-del. When I telnet in and try to login as another user I get a message that says "sh: ulimit: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted". Any suggestions? (Besides don't do that again?) From mjn at umn.edu Fri Nov 10 12:15:46 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP... Message-ID: All of this talk of time synchro got me to fiddling around with NTP. I was wondering if anyone knows a good resource for simple NTP configuration. All of the pages I have been too are quite cryptic and I have yet to discover one foolproof to determine if my configuration is 1) correct and 2) actually working. Suggestions? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From andy at theasis.com Fri Nov 10 12:19:22 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <009201c04b33$3eccd340$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: That's weird -- I've never encountered that. I merely do: [myotis:~]$ sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov 10 Nov 12:14:53 ntpdate[3684]: adjust time server 192.43.244.18 offset 0.000864 sec That sets your system clock. You'll then want to write that to the hardware clock, so you don't end up way off in the event of a reboot. [myotis:~]$ sudo hwclock --systohc Andy > Never mind - I need to use the -s argument apparently [to ntpdate]. > > ntpdate -s time.nist.gov > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > > > I have yet to find a nice piece of documentation to get these to work. > > Everytime I try I get information from a server, I get some sort of > error - > > usually telling me that the server does not support NTP. [. . .] > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 10 12:22:22 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 12:15:46PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001110122222.H30556@real-time.com> Quoting mjn (mjn@umn.edu): > All of this talk of time synchro got me to fiddling around with NTP. I > was wondering if anyone knows a good resource for simple NTP > configuration. All of the pages I have been too are quite cryptic and > I have yet to discover one foolproof to determine if my configuration is > 1) correct and 2) actually working. Under redhat, it simple: /etc/ntp.conf Add your time sources (what ntp calls stratum) server ns.nts.umn.edu server nss.nts.umn.edu server navobs1.wustl.edu server 137.192.2.5 server 137.192.240.5 Please note, you need to ask permission to use the above listed ntp servers. This is the list of servers to query for time sources. /etc/ntp/step-tickers ns.nts.umn.edu nss.nts.umn.edu navobs1.wustl.edu 137.192.2.5 137.192.240.5 These are the hosts to query on boot to get the average time and synchronize your clock to. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Fri Nov 10 12:23:00 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 12:19:22PM -0600 References: <009201c04b33$3eccd340$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: <20001110122300.B26071@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 12:19:22PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > [myotis:~]$ sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov > 10 Nov 12:14:53 ntpdate[3684]: adjust time server 192.43.244.18 offset 0.000864 sec > > That sets your system clock. You'll then want to write that to the > hardware clock, so you don't end up way off in the event of a reboot. > > [myotis:~]$ sudo hwclock --systohc Although you need to hwclock manually when you use rdate, ISTR that ntpdate updates the hwclock automagically. (I use xntpd now instead of ntpdate, though, so I could recall incorrectly.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 10 12:28:42 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Caldera NetWare client on Slackware mini-HOWTO Message-ID: <00111012304809.00187@Billbob_linux> Ok, here it is. Even if you are not interested in Novell, I would really appreciate any input on this.. 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Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23615] new Helix Gnome luser question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14860.25585.462393.45622@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "TW" == Timothy Wilson writes: TW> On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: >> BUT I'm having one show-stopper that keeps me from switching >> over. Gnome doesn't seem to have a nice modem manager like >> KPPP (they have a modem lights applet, but it doesn't do any >> modem or connection config, so is pretty losing by comparison). TW> Hmmm. My Helix-Gnome setup includes v 1.2.3 of "Modem Lights TW> Applet" which is dialing my ISP quite nicely. The difference is that Modem Lights really isn't a comprehensive application for managing modem/ppp communications. It's an applet that lets you view Modem status. And it lets you invoke a script (ppp-on, ppp-off). But as far as I could tell (I might have missed something), it doesn't help you configure those scripts. On the other hand, the kppp application not only helps you track modem usage, it also helps set up connections. And it easily handles connections to multiple ISPs. This seems like something modem lights really isn't up to. Or is it? Do you have a way to handle multiple dial-ups with modem lights? It's just the difference between a user friendly app and an applet with a bunch of stuff left as an exercise to the reader. I'm willing to do that sometimes --- after all, i use linux, not windows, but in this case it seems like a useless step backwards for me to take. Best, R From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Nov 10 15:13:08 2000 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23690] login problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001110115418.00be13a0@mail.bitstream.net> References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001110150758.00be9f00@mail.bitstream.net> Sorry to be a bother - I figured it out myself. Booted into runlevel 1, undid the changes and it was fine. >I made a couple changes to my system and now I can't login. I added a >line to my /etc/profile file and I made a change to the /etc/passwd file >to have root use bash instead of sh. After I changed the /etc/passwd file >I logged in from another console and I was able to get in ok but after >logging out my main console I couldn't get back in. > >When I login as root it says: >Last login: Sat Oct 21 21:19:53 on tty1 >You have new mail. >Then it gives me a blinking cursor but no prompt and it doesn't respond to >keystrokes except ctrl-alt-del. > >When I telnet in and try to login as another user I get a message that >says "sh: ulimit: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted". > >Any suggestions? (Besides don't do that again?) From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 10 16:40:34 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mutt and allow_8bit Message-ID: <20001110164034.A17591@real-time.com> What does this mean in simpler terms: allow_8bit Type: boolean Default: yes Controls whether 8-bit data is converted to 7-bit using either Quoted- Printable or Base64 encoding when sending mail. I don't understand what this means. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Nov 10 17:18:23 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23698] Mutt and allow_8bit In-Reply-To: <20001110164034.A17591@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 04:40:34PM -0600 References: <20001110164034.A17591@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001110171823.Z3002@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001110 16:40]: > Controls whether 8-bit data is converted to 7-bit using either Quoted- Printable Back in the day, some mail systems had issues sending out 8-bit messages. They would strip the last bit. 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I thought maybe the LUG was >> going to have to plan an "Intervention" :-) > >I might be on crack over here in Frogtown, but I'd use Debian before I resorted >to a Win32 IRC client . > :-) not on crack. I'd say you finally saw the light!! -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From destef at destef.com Fri Nov 10 17:23:10 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001110093759.00be8840@mail.bitstream.net> References: <20001110091611.A11533@ares.usinternet.com> <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <200011102322.RAA04633@mail.destef.com> At 09:44 AM 11/10/00 -0600, you wrote: >Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 >server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like I've >been doing that is. crontab entry: 00 * * * * root /usr/sbin/ntpdate -b navobs1.wustl.edu > /dev/null (yes this is once an hour...see below) Dont forget to run "setclock" to set your RTC to the time polled from ntpdate. > >And speaking of which - does anyone know why Linux boxes seem to keep such >bad time? I had one machine here that I hadn't looked at for awhile...I >went in and checked the time on it and it was 2 years off! This is an >extreme example but my servers seem to invariable lose or gain about an >hour a week which can mess with cron jobs. My server's time drift is about 11 seconds/day which is terrible. I sync up every hour. I use a window app to code and when I save the file it saves to a samba-shared dir. The timestamp of the file is based on the clock on my windows machine. I've had several experiences where the time drifted so much in between hourly sync's that "make" complained that the time is skewed. I've noticed accurate time problems on other linux boxes i have too. Windows doesnt "seem" to have the same problem. I've not investigated but I wonder if the correlation is true... Jason > >Thanks, >Brady > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Fri Nov 10 20:05:15 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Interface madness Message-ID: I am reading an O'Reilly book, "TCP/IP Network Administration", and there is something said which does not make any sense to me. Is there someone who might be able to explain the meaning behind this: TCP/IP CH 6 - Configuring the Interface "When networking protocols work only with a single kind of physical network, there is no need to identify the network interface to the software. The software knows what the interface MUST be; no configuration issues are left for the administrator." This doesn't make sense to me, because if I set up a machine with an ethernet card in it, I still have to configure that interface. I tell it what IP address to use. Even if I only have one ethernet card, and no other interfaces installed, this is so. Why would they say something like this? What do they mean that if there is only one physical interface it doesn't need to be configured? From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 10 22:46:09 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23702] Interface madness References: Message-ID: <3A0CCF11.5280AE36@tc.umn.edu> Could it mean that you have a localhost and a local server (one kind) and any network connection you make to it does not use your network interface (which is true, localhost connections wouldn't use the ethernet card by default) Just one way of interpreting... Apu Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I am reading an O'Reilly book, "TCP/IP Network Administration", and > there is something said which does not make any sense to me. Is there > someone who might be able to explain the meaning behind this: > > TCP/IP CH 6 - Configuring the Interface > > "When networking protocols work only with a single kind of physical > network, there is no need to identify the network interface to the > software. The software knows what the interface MUST be; no configuration > issues are left for the administrator." > > This doesn't make sense to me, because if I set up a machine with an > ethernet card in it, I still have to configure that interface. I tell it > what IP address to use. Even if I only have one ethernet card, and no > other interfaces installed, this is so. Why would they say something like > this? What do they mean that if there is only one physical interface it > doesn't need to be configured? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Fri Nov 10 21:17:47 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23702] Interface madness In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 08:05:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001110211747.A15606@ares.usinternet.com> On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 08:05:15PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am reading an O'Reilly book, "TCP/IP Network Administration", and >there is something said which does not make any sense to me. Is there >someone who might be able to explain the meaning behind this: > > TCP/IP CH 6 - Configuring the Interface > > "When networking protocols work only with a single kind of physical >network, there is no need to identify the network interface to the >software. The software knows what the interface MUST be; no configuration >issues are left for the administrator." It means you don't need to tell your browser, ftp client, or whatever that it needs to use eth0. It knows it needs to follow a certain path and the tcp/ip stack handles that. I would need to look at it ini more contextext in order to say for certain that this is what the ?aragraph means but this is my guess. > > This doesn't make sense to me, because if I set up a machine with an >ethernet card in it, I still have to configure that interface. I tell it >what IP address to use. Even if I only have one ethernet card, and no >other interfaces installed, this is so. Why would they say something like >this? What do they mean that if there is only one physical interface it >doesn't need to be configured? > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From mjn at umn.edu Fri Nov 10 22:29:47 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple NICs Message-ID: Ok here is what I think is a tricky situation and I was wondering if anyone might have ideas about what I am doing wrong... We are using Veritas Backup Exec on an NT host to backup the RH box, a few Novell servers, and a few NT servers. Awhile back we decided to remove the backup traffic from the production network and build a small network inside the office on which only backup traffic would travel. After a couple of bumps in the road with the first server on said backup network, everything seemed to be working. This evening we installed the new NIC in the RH box. Rebooted and, after tweaking my ipchains a bit, the NIC was up on the backup network and working ok. Put an entry in /etc/hosts for the backup server and I could ping it via the /etc/hosts entry or its backup network IP. The strange part is this: Backup Exec cannot see the RH box, even though you can ping RH from the box running BE over the backup network. If i switch the interface it broadcasts to the backup server on, it pops up in Backup Exec without a problem. But it will not show up on the backup network. According to the DOCs for Backup Exec it uses TCP/IP for the Unix/Linux client. I have a feeling that i am missing something quite simple. If anyone wants, I can send along my IPchains script too (I wouldn't mind if a few folks took a gander at it as i am not sure it is the best configuration I could have...). If more clarification is needed...let me know. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From destef at destef.com Sat Nov 11 09:13:23 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23702] Interface madness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011111512.JAA05366@mail.destef.com> I believe the book is mistakenly referring to a "protocol" as the layer 2 protocol (ethernet, token ring, etc.). We usually view a protocol as a layer 3 (ip) or higher (tcp, udp, etc.). This is just a guess but assuming their protocol ls a layer 2 protocol would make the statement correct--meaning, you dont have to "configure" and ethernet card to talk the ethernet protocol. Jason At 08:05 PM 11/10/00 -0600, you wrote: > > > I am reading an O'Reilly book, "TCP/IP Network Administration", and >there is something said which does not make any sense to me. Is there >someone who might be able to explain the meaning behind this: > > TCP/IP CH 6 - Configuring the Interface > > "When networking protocols work only with a single kind of physical >network, there is no need to identify the network interface to the >software. The software knows what the interface MUST be; no configuration >issues are left for the administrator." > > This doesn't make sense to me, because if I set up a machine with an >ethernet card in it, I still have to configure that interface. I tell it >what IP address to use. Even if I only have one ethernet card, and no >other interfaces installed, this is so. Why would they say something like >this? What do they mean that if there is only one physical interface it >doesn't need to be configured? > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From destef at destef.com Sat Nov 11 09:18:46 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23705] Multiple NICs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011111517.JAA05375@mail.destef.com> This sounds silimar to a problem we've experienced before with multiple nics on a machine...Its a hard one to explain but it has to do with having the route table mess things up when trying to talk to the local subnet. Take a look at the route table and follow the rules for a given packet and see if the packet is being routed through the wrong interface and thus off to the wrong subnet. This one had our NT guys confused for a while But the again...NT...confused...whats the difference. hehe. Let me know if this helps... At 10:29 PM 11/10/00 -0600, you wrote: >Ok here is what I think is a tricky situation and I was wondering if >anyone might have ideas about what I am doing wrong... > >We are using Veritas Backup Exec on an NT host to backup the RH box, a few >Novell servers, and a few NT servers. > >Awhile back we decided to remove the backup traffic from the production >network and build a small network inside the office on which only backup >traffic would travel. > >After a couple of bumps in the road with the first server on said backup >network, everything seemed to be working. > >This evening we installed the new NIC in the RH box. Rebooted and, after >tweaking my ipchains a bit, the NIC was up on the backup network and >working ok. Put an entry in /etc/hosts for the backup server and I could >ping it via the /etc/hosts entry or its backup network IP. > >The strange part is this: Backup Exec cannot see the RH box, even though >you can ping RH from the box running BE over the backup network. If i >switch the interface it broadcasts to the backup server on, it pops up in >Backup Exec without a problem. But it will not show up on the backup >network. According to the DOCs for Backup Exec it uses TCP/IP for the >Unix/Linux client. > >I have a feeling that i am missing something quite simple. If anyone >wants, I can send along my IPchains script too (I wouldn't mind if a few >folks took a gander at it as i am not sure it is the best configuration I >could have...). > >If more clarification is needed...let me know. > >____________________________ >Mike Neuharth >ADCS Technology Specialist >http://www.umn.edu/adcs > >E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu >Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com >http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ >____________________________ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Nov 11 10:05:15 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23695] Caldera NetWare client on Slackware mini-HOWTO In-Reply-To: <00111012304809.00187@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: My understanding about the proper shut-down is that this is a known problem with the nkfs module, but the people are Caldera don't really care -- it has been a known problems for 1-2 years. Unfortunately, this means that if ipx or something fails, and nwclient can't fix itself, you must reboot to get that module unloaded and reloaded. Thanks for writting the howto -- info on getting nwclient working is sparse. Ben On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, here it is. Even if you are not interested in Novell, I would really > appreciate any input on this.. I don't think it's even been spellchecked :-) > > -- > Bill Layer > From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sun Nov 12 13:37:02 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A little network theory Message-ID: Just want to make sure I am understanding what I am reading. I am going through the Red Hat Documentation on IP aliasing. I am on a class C network, and the IP address assigned to my NIC is 204.221.252.105, but now I also want it to start answering requests for the IP 204.221.252.106. I do have IP aliasing enabled in the kernel. Would I simply type: root# ifconfig eth0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up (note I did not identify a virtual ethernet device. I am assuming I would not need to since I am not spanning two different networks.) I would try this, but I need to make sure I know what I am doing before I request my additional IP and start screwing up the network my machine is running on. Thanks. - Jamie From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 12 13:41:31 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23709] A little network theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > root# ifconfig eth0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > (note I did not identify a virtual ethernet device. I am assuming I > would not need to since I am not spanning two different networks.) No, you still need to use a different interface for different IP addresses, so you'd have to go: root# ifconfig eth0:0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up -Yaron -- From adamm at sihope.com Sun Nov 12 13:49:07 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23709] A little network theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nope, each different IP needs a different virtual ethernet interface, so you'd want to do: ifconfig eth0:0 204.whatever Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Just want to make sure I am understanding what I am reading. I am > going through the Red Hat Documentation on IP aliasing. I am on a class > C network, and the IP address assigned to my NIC is 204.221.252.105, but > now I also want it to start answering requests for the IP 204.221.252.106. > I do have IP aliasing enabled in the kernel. Would I simply type: > > root# ifconfig eth0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > > (note I did not identify a virtual ethernet device. I am assuming I > would not need to since I am not spanning two different networks.) > > I would try this, but I need to make sure I know what I am doing before > I request my additional IP and start screwing up the network my machine is > running on. Thanks. > > - Jamie > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sun Nov 12 14:06:56 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23709] A little network theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So if I wanted to use THREE ips, I would have to set up virtual interfaces starting first with eth0:0, then the next IP would be eth0:1 then eth0:2 etc for each additional IP? On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > root# ifconfig eth0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > > (note I did not identify a virtual ethernet device. I am assuming I > > would not need to since I am not spanning two different networks.) > > No, you still need to use a different interface for different IP > addresses, so you'd have to go: > > root# ifconfig eth0:0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 12 14:31:12 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23709] A little network theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > So if I wanted to use THREE ips, I would have to set up virtual > interfaces starting first with eth0:0, then the next IP would be eth0:1 > then eth0:2 etc for each additional IP? Yup, that's it. -Yaron -- From adamm at sihope.com Sun Nov 12 14:39:32 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23709] A little network theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yuppers. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > So if I wanted to use THREE ips, I would have to set up virtual > interfaces starting first with eth0:0, then the next IP would be eth0:1 > then eth0:2 etc for each additional IP? > > > > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > root# ifconfig eth0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > > > (note I did not identify a virtual ethernet device. I am assuming I > > > would not need to since I am not spanning two different networks.) > > > > No, you still need to use a different interface for different IP > > addresses, so you'd have to go: > > > > root# ifconfig eth0:0 204.221.252.106 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 12 15:37:12 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <00110914082209.00189@Billbob_linux> <20001109233017.A424@ares.usinternet.com> <00111008425000.00187@Billbob_linux> <4.2.0.58.20001110093759.00be8840@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <3A0F0D88.A963AB5D@tcfreenet.org> Brady Hegberg wrote: > > Does anybody have advice for keeping the time correct on a Redhat 6.2 > server? Besides going in manually and correcting it once a week like I've > been doing that is. I've got a cron job set up to 'rdate -s nss.nts.umn.edu' and 'hwclock --systohc' every month... From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sun Nov 12 19:00:55 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind Bound: Bewilderment Message-ID: I am trying to install my first nameserver on my Linux box. I am reading my Red Hat documentation like a good little newbie does before he asks questions, and I even did a Google search beforehand. QUESTION: Which rpms do I use if I want to install bind on my box? ls *bind* on my red hat install disk lists four RPMS's: bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm Which of these do I use? And does anyone know where I can get good documentation for it's installation on Linux? I would have thought some documentation would explain the functions of each of these RPM's, but I guess I am wrong. It is so fun being a newbie in the Linux jungle! : ) Thanks. From tsandqui at yahoo.com Sun Nov 12 19:28:48 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 07:00:55PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001112192848.A3666@yahoo.com> On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 07:00:55PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install my first nameserver on my Linux box. I am reading > my Red Hat documentation like a good little newbie does before he asks > questions, and I even did a Google search beforehand. > > QUESTION: > Which rpms do I use if I want to install bind on my box? > ls *bind* on my red hat install disk lists four RPMS's: > > bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm > bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm > > Which of these do I use? And does anyone know where I can get good > documentation for it's installation on Linux? I would have thought some > documentation would explain the functions of each of these RPM's, but I > guess I am wrong. It is so fun being a newbie in the Linux > jungle! : ) Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org you need bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm and bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind is a seperate service. One of the best books on the subject is O'Reilly's DNS and BIND. There is also a BIND howto on linuxdoc.org. Tim From mauvehead at nerp.net Sun Nov 12 19:36:26 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment References: Message-ID: <3A0F459A.21E61C2C@nerp.net> I recently setup BIND 9.0 on my server at work. I would say you check out 9 for the fun of it. I belive 9.0.1 came out just the other day as well. As for rpm's, I've had a hell of a time trying to find any recently when I was searching for a friend. I use debian my self so I dont know any places besides rpmfind.net to get them, but that website never works for me. I always get errors while trying to login. Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > I am trying to install my first nameserver on my Linux box. I am reading > my Red Hat documentation like a good little newbie does before he asks > questions, and I even did a Google search beforehand. > > QUESTION: > Which rpms do I use if I want to install bind on my box? > ls *bind* on my red hat install disk lists four RPMS's: > > bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm > bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm > > Which of these do I use? And does anyone know where I can get good > documentation for it's installation on Linux? I would have thought some > documentation would explain the functions of each of these RPM's, but I > guess I am wrong. It is so fun being a newbie in the Linux > jungle! : ) Thanks. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net From ben at nerp.net Sun Nov 12 19:38:11 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: first off.. there is a new bind exploit.. you might want to find rpm's for 8.2.2p7 :) you are going to need several of those packages: bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm this will install the base bind server bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm you'll also want this, contains various utilities bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm being new to bind, you probably won't need this ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm has nothing to do with bind, ypbind is for yp.. part of the NIS authentication system. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install my first nameserver on my Linux box. I am reading > my Red Hat documentation like a good little newbie does before he asks > questions, and I even did a Google search beforehand. > > QUESTION: > Which rpms do I use if I want to install bind on my box? > ls *bind* on my red hat install disk lists four RPMS's: > > bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm > bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm > > Which of these do I use? And does anyone know where I can get good > documentation for it's installation on Linux? I would have thought some > documentation would explain the functions of each of these RPM's, but I > guess I am wrong. It is so fun being a newbie in the Linux > jungle! : ) Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 12 19:44:29 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment Message-ID: Yes, definitely get 8.2.2-P7. P5 and earlier have a nasty DoS exploit. If you're just using the nameserver for lookups, I think you need the caching-nameserver package also. It's just basic config files that set up bind to just be a caching nameserver. You should be able to find it in the RPMS directory on the CD with a "ls -l cach*". Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment first off.. there is a new bind exploit.. you might want to find rpm's for 8.2.2p7 :) you are going to need several of those packages: bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm this will install the base bind server bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm you'll also want this, contains various utilities bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm being new to bind, you probably won't need this ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm has nothing to do with bind, ypbind is for yp.. part of the NIS authentication system. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install my first nameserver on my Linux box. I am reading > my Red Hat documentation like a good little newbie does before he asks > questions, and I even did a Google search beforehand. > > QUESTION: > Which rpms do I use if I want to install bind on my box? > ls *bind* on my red hat install disk lists four RPMS's: > > bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm > bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm > > Which of these do I use? And does anyone know where I can get good > documentation for it's installation on Linux? I would have thought some > documentation would explain the functions of each of these RPM's, but I > guess I am wrong. It is so fun being a newbie in the Linux > jungle! : ) Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 12 20:16:55 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio CD burning Message-ID: Hey, Ok, I've been making copies of my CDs to keep in the car. I've been using cdparanoia to rip the audio, and then cdrecord to burn them back to a new CD. However, this puts a 2-second delay between tracks, which is annoying the heck out of me, especially on live CDs. I remember seeing a program that lets you control this once, but I don't remember what it was called. Anyone? -Yaron -- From adamm at sihope.com Sun Nov 12 20:45:16 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RPM's are bad, mmmkay? Here are 2 reasons why I think you should build it yourself: 1) it's good learning experience. Someday you'll be on a system that doesn't have any fancy package management :) 2) 8.2.2-P5 is vulnerable to a denial-of-service attack, you can send named-zxfr requests to an 8.2.2-p5 installation and crash it, even if you have zone transfers off. Go to ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind and grab 8.2.2-P7 (latest stable). It's dirt easy to compile and install, just follow the directions. Now when you actually get it installed we can help you figure out how to do your zone files. Oh, ypbind is the Yellow Pages, aka NIS. It's not related to BIND. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install my first nameserver on my Linux box. I am reading > my Red Hat documentation like a good little newbie does before he asks > questions, and I even did a Google search beforehand. > > QUESTION: > Which rpms do I use if I want to install bind on my box? > ls *bind* on my red hat install disk lists four RPMS's: > > bind-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm bind-utils-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm > bind-devel-8.2.2_P5-9.i386.rpm ypbind-3.3-28.i386.rpm > > Which of these do I use? And does anyone know where I can get good > documentation for it's installation on Linux? I would have thought some > documentation would explain the functions of each of these RPM's, but I > guess I am wrong. It is so fun being a newbie in the Linux > jungle! : ) Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sun Nov 12 20:51:05 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning References: Message-ID: <3A0F5718.18D946AD@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Try: cdrecord -audio -dao track* The -dao [disk at once] should eliminate the gap between tracks. Charlie Yaron wrote: > Ok, I've been making copies of my CDs to keep in the car. I've been using > cdparanoia to rip the audio, and then cdrecord to burn them back to a new > CD. > > However, this puts a 2-second delay between tracks, which is annoying the > heck out of me, especially on live CDs. > > I remember seeing a program that lets you control this once, but I don't > remember what it was called. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 12 21:13:26 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > However, this puts a 2-second delay between tracks, which is annoying the > heck out of me, especially on live CDs. > > I remember seeing a program that lets you control this once, but I don't > remember what it was called. > > Anyone? The way we used to do it was a direct SCSI copy. If you have a different cd drive and burner, you might try doing something as simple as dd. Disclaimer: I know it can be done under Linux, but I haven't myself. Some of the standard primitive commands might be too primitive -- sometimes cdrecord or others use little things like double buffering. But, discs are cheap enough these days that you could afford an experiment or two. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 12 22:00:05 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning In-Reply-To: <3A0F5718.18D946AD@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Charles Fulton wrote: > The -dao [disk at once] should eliminate the gap between tracks. Excellent, that works. Thanks! -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 12 22:02:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > The way we used to do it was a direct SCSI copy. If you have a different > cd drive and burner, you might try doing something as simple as dd. Except I can never seem to dd off an audio CD. I get: # dd if=/dev/hdc of=audio.img dd: /dev/hdc: Input/output error 0+0 records in 0+0 records out Same happens with the SCSI CDROM drive. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 12 22:35:41 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning Message-ID: You cannot do a direct copy with audio. I think there is an explanation why on the cdrecord website. -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:02 PM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning Hi, On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > The way we used to do it was a direct SCSI copy. If you have a different > cd drive and burner, you might try doing something as simple as dd. Except I can never seem to dd off an audio CD. I get: # dd if=/dev/hdc of=audio.img dd: /dev/hdc: Input/output error 0+0 records in 0+0 records out Same happens with the SCSI CDROM drive. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 13 02:19:25 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23716] Bind Bound: Bewilderment References: Message-ID: <3A0FA40D.8377889B@tcfreenet.org> Adam Maloney wrote: > > RPM's are bad, mmmkay? > > Here are 2 reasons why I think you should build it yourself: > > 1) it's good learning experience. Someday you'll be on a system that > doesn't have any fancy package management :) Learn to build RPMs. Make RPM your bitch. From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 13 02:27:13 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning References: Message-ID: <3A0FA5E1.6E4CDA55@tcfreenet.org> > > The way we used to do it was a direct SCSI copy. If you have a different > > cd drive and burner, you might try doing something as simple as dd. > > Except I can never seem to dd off an audio CD. I get: You either need to rip it to wav with cdparanoia, or use cdrdao which can do direct copies. I highly recommend having both cdrecord and cdrdao. cdrecord is quick and easy for burning plain ISOs, cdrdao does raw disk copies/images, can handle the .cue files various windoze programs like, and lets you customise track padding on audio CDs per track. Harder to use, but far more powerful. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 13 02:21:50 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning In-Reply-To: <3A0FA5E1.6E4CDA55@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > You either need to rip it to wav with cdparanoia, Man, that is pure genius. Why didn't I think of that??? q: -Yaron -- From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 13 08:11:58 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23702] Interface madness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the "When..." condition is what's confusing you. For instance, SLIP? On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > TCP/IP CH 6 - Configuring the Interface > > "When networking protocols work only with a single kind of physical > network, there is no need to identify the network interface to the > software. The software knows what the interface MUST be; no configuration > issues are left for the administrator." > > This doesn't make sense to me, because if I set up a machine with an > ethernet card in it, I still have to configure that interface. I tell it > what IP address to use. Even if I only have one ethernet card, and no > other interfaces installed, this is so. Why would they say something like > this? What do they mean that if there is only one physical interface it > doesn't need to be configured? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Nov 13 10:44:54 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23615] new Helix Gnome luser question In-Reply-To: <20001110105313.K28331@wookimus.net> References: <20001110105313.K28331@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <14864.6790.632000.957977@htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "C" == Chewie writes: C> On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: >> BUT I'm having one show-stopper that keeps me from switching over. >> Gnome doesn't seem to have a nice modem manager like KPPP (they >> have a modem lights applet, but it doesn't do any modem or >> connection config, so is pretty losing by comparison). Advice removed.... C> IOW, you're not learning how to use your system if you're relying on C> KPPP. If you're using Linuxconf, you're submitting yourself to yet C> another crutch. Weene yourself off of these tools, as they will stop C> you from "switching over." Thanks for the advice. I accept the argument above. My only response is that there are a lot of things for linux users to comprehend. There are a bunch of other things I'm digging into right now that interest me more. We all have to make our different choices about what is worth our time. Personally, getting the right arguments to pppd just doesn't interest me that much, compared with the other things I could spend hours on. kppp works, and debugging failed connections isn't one of the things that floats my boat. One end of the spectrum is made up of people who want to use Windows 98 and have everything done for them. The other end of the spectrum is people like Linus, who want to write the whole operating system. Most of us are somewhere in between.... Best, R From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Nov 13 09:49:34 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Security Update RPM Installation Question Message-ID: <007801c04d89$52968b70$1000a8c0@cschumann> Hi all, I've recently been using rpmfind to install updates packages on a RH6.2 machine, and I'm having a little trouble. I would imagine a lot of you have gotten around this seemingly simple issue. It's all about shared library requirements. For example, I tried "rpmfind --upgrade rpmfind", and one of the packages it gets is bzip2-1.0.1-3.i386.rpm. When I attempt to install it with "rpm -Uvh bz...", I am told that libbz2.so.0 is needed. When I try to use rpmfind.net to get that, I'm told it is in bzip2-0.9.5d-2. I downloaded that, but it is already installed. Further, rpmfind.net states that both versions both provide and require a version of the libbz2 library. Here are the libraries I need to install these upgrade packages: - libc.so.6(GLIBC-2.2) - glibc >= 2.1.92 - db1 = 1.85 - libproc.so.2.0.6 - libbz2.so.0 - ncurses = 5.0 - libncurses.so.4 Hints, pointers and walkthroughs glady appreciated. Many thanks, Chris Schumann From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 13 10:24:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla M18 and SSL Message-ID: <20001113102442.F704@real-time.com> Is there a way to activate SSL in Mozilla M18? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Nov 13 09:33:17 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23733] Mozilla M18 and SSL In-Reply-To: <20001113102442.F704@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 10:24:42AM -0600 References: <20001113102442.F704@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001113093316.A1438@sam.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 10:24:42AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is there a way to activate SSL in Mozilla M18? > Go under the Debug menu and choose "Install PSM". Then follow the directions on the page it brings you to. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Nov 13 11:46:17 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of the servers is down. For example... ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate time.enough.org I have found that time servers are not always responsive and the above works around that. Another problem I've run into (although I've not researched it) is that ntpdate seems to fail when the system time is several years off. Kent "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > ntpdate adjusts the speed of the clock. This avoids problems with changing > the time. It recommends that you run ntpdate every hour or two. I chose > every two as my time does not drift much at all. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark K" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct > > > > > I use a 1 liner in /etc/cron.weekly/ to keep things "timely" here. The > > gov't server is as accurate as I feel necessary: > > rdate -s time.nist.gov > > and set the perms to 770, owned by root, good to go! > > You could of course run it daily, but weekly seems frequent enough. > > > > MK > > > (trimmed) From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Nov 13 12:23:21 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600 References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > the servers is down. For example... > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate time.enough.org > I don't think this makes any sense. The second expression only procedes if the first expression returns true. So, in order for this entire expression to finish, each one of the sub-expressions must exit normally. So, you're just setting your time 3 times and if first expression fails, your time doesn't get set at all. Or, I could be completely wrong about the behavior of &&. It seems to me that you'd want to be using some sort of logical OR here (maybe ||, but I'm not sure if that's a valid operator in shell). Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Hey archvillian!! Take a taste of my hypercorrosive croutons!!" - Powdered Toast Man in "Powdered Toast Man" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 13 12:26:09 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: You're right. Although, I believe Kent probably meant to use ||. ntpdate time.nist.gov || echo "Damn this piece of..." On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate time.enough.org > > > I don't think this makes any sense. The second expression only procedes if > the first expression returns true. So, in order for this entire expression > to finish, each one of the sub-expressions must exit normally. So, you're > just setting your time 3 times and if first expression fails, your > time doesn't get set at all. > > Or, I could be completely wrong about the behavior of &&. It seems to me > that you'd want to be using some sort of logical OR here (maybe ||, but > I'm not sure if that's a valid operator in shell). > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 13 12:26:32 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 12:23:21PM -0600 References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001113122631.A14974@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 12:23:21PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate time.enough.org > > > I don't think this makes any sense. The second expression only procedes if > the first expression returns true. So, in order for this entire expression > to finish, each one of the sub-expressions must exit normally. So, you're > just setting your time 3 times and if first expression fails, your > time doesn't get set at all. > > Or, I could be completely wrong about the behavior of &&. It seems to me > that you'd want to be using some sort of logical OR here (maybe ||, but > I'm not sure if that's a valid operator in shell). You are correct and || is valid (easy test: `false || echo "OR is valid"`). However, ntp/ntpdate has a better way of doing this: ntpdate time.nist.gov for.a.good.time.call.gov time.enough.org This will cause ntpdate to query all three servers, determine which one(s) look reliable (if any server is off by huge amounts from the others or from the local clock, ntp will declare it insane and ignore it), and produce a much, much more reliable time than if you query each one in sequence. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Nov 13 12:46:46 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A103716.B67CC091@structural-wood.com> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate time.enough.org > > > I don't think this makes any sense. The second expression only procedes if > the first expression returns true. So, in order for this entire expression > to finish, each one of the sub-expressions must exit normally. So, you're > just setting your time 3 times and if first expression fails, your > time doesn't get set at all. > > Or, I could be completely wrong about the behavior of &&. It seems to me > that you'd want to be using some sort of logical OR here (maybe ||, but > I'm not sure if that's a valid operator in shell). > > Gabe You're right, I meant || (two vertical bars). Let's check the excuse list... I'm drunk || I'm getting senile || It's monday || Someone has hijacked my e-mail address Really, Kent From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 13 13:09:56 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23733] Mozilla M18 and SSL Message-ID: The nightly builds seem much more stable than M18. Go here to find a good nightly (seems to be down at the moment, hrm): http://www.mozillazine.org/build_comments > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Crumley [mailto:crumley@fields.space.umn.edu] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23733] Mozilla M18 and SSL > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 10:24:42AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Is there a way to activate SSL in Mozilla M18? > > > > Go under the Debug menu and choose "Install PSM". > Then follow the directions on the page it brings you > to. > > -- > Jim Crumley | > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Nov 13 13:36:22 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WINE vs. VM-Ware Message-ID: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> Out of curiosity, did this past week's meeting cover VM-Ware, or will I be lucky enough to get a chance to make it to another meeting in which it will be covered? In using Windows apps that have not yet been ported over to Linux, would I be better off running Wine or VM-Ware, or a combination of the two? I'm not very familiar with either one, but in looking at Wine's database, some of the programs that I have aren't supported under it. I do have the Wine admin handbook, but have yet to read it. I like the idea of running VM-Ware because, if I understand this correctly, it's a Windows install on top of Linux. Yet, on the other hand, I've also heard of a lot of instability with VM-Ware. Could anyone share some insight on some of the differences between the two, and make a recommendation of what might best be suited to my needs? Some of the apps that I'm running use a lot of Active-X. Or is it Direct-X? So hard to remember which of the two it is... To many X's and E's in today's terminology. Thanks, Shawn From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Nov 13 13:54:50 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware In-Reply-To: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net>; from fjorn@mninter.net on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 01:36:22PM -0600 References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20001113135450.B10936@knicknack.net> It's been a long time since I tried anything under Wine, but I run VMWare all the time. The only instability I see running Windows under VMWare is the same instability I would expect to see running Windows directly on the hardware. Linux under VMWare runs like a champ. Eric On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 01:36:22PM -0600, Fjorn wrote: > Out of curiosity, did this past week's meeting cover VM-Ware, or will I > be lucky enough to get a chance to make it to another meeting in which > it will be covered? > > In using Windows apps that have not yet been ported over to Linux, would > I be better off running Wine or VM-Ware, or a combination of the two? > I'm not very familiar with either one, but in looking at Wine's > database, some of the programs that I have aren't supported under it. I > do have the Wine admin handbook, but have yet to read it. > > I like the idea of running VM-Ware because, if I understand this > correctly, it's a Windows install on top of Linux. Yet, on the other > hand, I've also heard of a lot of instability with VM-Ware. > > Could anyone share some insight on some of the differences between the > two, and make a recommendation of what might best be suited to my > needs? Some of the apps that I'm running use a lot of Active-X. Or is > it Direct-X? So hard to remember which of the two it is... To many X's > and E's in today's terminology. > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Nov 13 13:50:55 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware In-Reply-To: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> Message-ID: <00111313561207.00533@Billbob_linux> Hi, > I like the idea of running VM-Ware because, if I understand this > correctly, it's a Windows install on top of Linux. Yet, on the other > hand, I've also heard of a lot of instability with VM-Ware. Word on the street is that neTRAVERSE Win4Lin is currently the best solution for running Win32 apps under Linux. http://www.winforlin.com They are still accepting beta testers for the next version, so this is a good time to get some free, fully-functional action. I got a beta license, but I haven't had time to install it yet. I run WINE, and FWIW, it seems like a pretty sketchy program - a lot of promise, but still needs some serious krausening. A lof of stuff that is supposed to work, doesn't. See my previous post about network access issues under WINE. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From parker at mi-recordz.com Mon Nov 13 13:54:11 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware In-Reply-To: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> Message-ID: Hi, > Out of curiosity, did this past week's meeting cover VM-Ware, or will I > be lucky enough to get a chance to make it to another meeting in which > it will be covered? I don't know anything about wine but concerning VMWare the product is going to be sold to many of us at a higher price than what was previously offered...maybe students will still get the discount. I've used VMWare on a development and testing machine where I needed to preserve a pristine environment...if install of application being tested fails, don't write the session to disk. It's really pretty great for this type of use. It allowed me to run several linux variants and bsd. My experinece is that VMWare definitely performs well on a PII 450 with 128 ram while compiling mysql in the virtual machine but on a similar machine with a celeron 450 it was miserably slow. This could well have been my own misguided configuration. Ultimately, concerning performance, I think VMWare performs like a charm with the right hardware. Never used wine. Ron > In using Windows apps that have not yet been ported over to Linux, would > I be better off running Wine or VM-Ware, or a combination of the two? > I'm not very familiar with either one, but in looking at Wine's > database, some of the programs that I have aren't supported under it. I > do have the Wine admin handbook, but have yet to read it. > > I like the idea of running VM-Ware because, if I understand this > correctly, it's a Windows install on top of Linux. Yet, on the other > hand, I've also heard of a lot of instability with VM-Ware. > > Could anyone share some insight on some of the differences between the > two, and make a recommendation of what might best be suited to my > needs? Some of the apps that I'm running use a lot of Active-X. Or is > it Direct-X? So hard to remember which of the two it is... To many X's > and E's in today's terminology. > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 13 14:16:17 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <20001113135450.B10936@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3A104C11.7EFC78E@ltiflex.com> When you look at it, WINE is free but with that you also get limited support, but WINE does have better DirectX support than both Win4Lin and VMWare. Win4Lin and VMWare don't emulate windows, instead they emulate a computer. The benifit is that you can get almost every feature the OS supports, but bad is they are a bit more hardware intensive. Win4Lin isn't at hardware intensive as VMWare, but, you're limited to running Windows 9X Virtual Machines. VMware has a few variants. They recently announced VMWare Express, which is a dumbed down VMWare that was made compete with Win4Lin in both price and features. With VMWare express, you're limited to Windows 9X, but the price is under $100. With full blown VMWare you can run just about any OS that runs on Intel. MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, Win9X, NT4, Windows 2000, BSDs, etc. (I belive ME isn't officially supported yet...but it still might work.) Win4Lin's goals are a bit different than VMWare's as well. Win4Lin's goal is to run every business application they can with minimal amount of overhead. VMWare's aim is to fully suppoer all the features of the guest OS. (Including Multimedia like QuickTime, DirectX, etc.) VMWare is getting closer to that goal with each release, QuickTime video actually looks decent on the latest release (sounds aweful though!). I use VMWare myself. Mainly for getting to sites that are broken in Netscape/Mozilla. I have Office 2000 installed under it as well just incase I can't get a file to convert decently. I also use it for testing NT/2000 server and workstation setups. At one point I had an NT4 BDC running under vmware. I have yet to install a UNIX os under VMWare, and have yet to see the need (though playing with Solaris or Free/Open/Net BSD might be fun...) Hope that helps you make a decision. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Nov 13 15:23:40 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <00111313561207.00533@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <3A105BDC.F07745F2@mninter.net> Bill Layer wrote: > Word on the street is that neTRAVERSE Win4Lin is currently the best solution for > running Win32 apps under Linux. > > http://www.winforlin.com Checking them out as well. > I run WINE, and FWIW, it seems like a pretty sketchy program - a lot of > promise, but still needs some serious krausening. A lof of stuff that is > supposed to work, doesn't. See my previous post about network access issues > under WINE. > --Still giving them a thought, will do more additional research. Do recall that topic going around. Ron wrote: My experinece is that VMWare definitely performs well on a PII 450 with 128 ram while compiling mysql in the virtual machine but on a similar machine with a celeron 450 it was miserably slow. This could well have been my own misguided configuration. Ultimately, concerning performance, I think VMWare performs like a charm with the right hardware. --For me, at this point, I'm going to say that hardware may be a non-issue. I'm looking at doing this on an AMD Athlon 1GHz, 256MB ram, and a 45GB hard drive. But can never tell really until it's done. Eric wrote: It's been a long time since I tried anything under Wine, but I run VMWare all the time. The only instability I see running Windows under VMWare is the same instability I would expect to see running Windows directly on the hardware. Linux under VMWare runs like a champ. --Does this include the nasty little "can't shut the pc down regardless of how many patches are applied" to Windows? That's the primary problem I'm running into right now is that the dang thing hangs on the stupid closing windows screen. I've disabled tons of stuff, and also the nic wake on lan capability. Hopefully that won't be an issue. Andy wrote: When you look at it, WINE is free but with that you also get limited support, but WINE does have better DirectX support than both Win4Lin and VMWare. --I think there's been a vast amount of documentation on it lately. Could be wrong though. Understandable on the support thing though. Win4Lin and VMWare don't emulate windows, instead they emulate a computer. The benifit is that you can get almost every feature the OS supports, but bad is they are a bit more hardware intensive. --Sorry, but don't seem to understand this. Isn't emulating a computer and emulating windows about the same? Sorta new to this stuff, so not quite comprehending it exactly. Win4Lin's goals are a bit different than VMWare's as well. Win4Lin's goal is to run every business application they can with minimal amount of overhead. VMWare's aim is to fully suppoer all the features of the guest OS. (Including Multimedia like QuickTime, DirectX, etc.) VMWare is getting closer to that goal with each release, QuickTime video actually looks decent on the latest release (sounds aweful though!). --Going by this, VMWare would be better suited for my needs. I'm not running a lot of business apps, as it's on my home machine. E-mail, office stuff, and the like I do in Linux. Primarily what I do in Windows is games, and some scanning stuff. Haven't configured my scanner to Linux yet, also have yet to see Omni-Page pro type apps in Linux. Thanks for all the tips and suggestions. Shawn From paschuman at uswest.net Mon Nov 13 15:25:31 2000 From: paschuman at uswest.net (Peter Schuman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <00111313561207.00533@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <3A105C4B.D3F6B245@uswest.net> This sounds like fun. I'm messing with Winlinux 2000, which installs a version of Slackware to run under DOS as supplied by Win98 (NOT in a DOS box). So, installing Windoze to run under Winlinux running partially under Windows could be --- interesting. So far, it appears that the trick may be managing to patch the kernel and get it to run. So far, any attempts to patch the kernel (or recompile it) have resulted in such fun messages as "kernel panic." Fortunately, Winlinux is invoked by a desktop link that is partially controlled through a Windows-based configuration program (NOTHING like xconfigurator, etc, but it DOES set linux up enough to start up and run). The configuration program can divert linux to a different kernel image file, so it's easier than it might be to try out customized ones, even with the Windows reboot (Naptime!) in between OSs. Bill Layer wrote: > Hi, > > > I like the idea of running VM-Ware because, if I understand this > > correctly, it's a Windows install on top of Linux. Yet, on the other > > hand, I've also heard of a lot of instability with VM-Ware. > > Word on the street is that neTRAVERSE Win4Lin is currently the best solution for > running Win32 apps under Linux. > > http://www.winforlin.com > > They are still accepting beta testers for the next version, so this is a good > time to get some free, fully-functional action. I got a beta license, but I > haven't had time to install it yet. [Snip!]-- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > -- Peter Schuman paschuman@uswest.net Vegetarians eat vegetables: Beware of humanitarians! From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Nov 13 15:33:24 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware In-Reply-To: <3A105BDC.F07745F2@mninter.net>; from fjorn@mninter.net on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 03:23:40PM -0600 References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <00111313561207.00533@Billbob_linux> <3A105BDC.F07745F2@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20001113153324.C10936@knicknack.net> On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 03:23:40PM -0600, Fjorn wrote: > Eric wrote: > It's been a long time since I tried anything under Wine, but I run > VMWare all the time. The only instability I see running Windows under > VMWare is the same instability I would expect to see running Windows > directly on the hardware. Linux under VMWare runs like a champ. > > --Does this include the nasty little "can't shut the pc down regardless > of how many patches are applied" to Windows? That's the primary problem > I'm running into right now is that the dang thing hangs on the stupid > closing windows screen. I've disabled tons of stuff, and also the nic > wake on lan capability. Hopefully that won't be an issue. > Unfortunately, that is the primary problem I have. I do also have trouble occasionally logging out as a particular user, but not as another, so that may have something to do with the apps (mostly administration type) that I'm running as that user. Eric From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Nov 13 22:15:18 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23750] New Qchex Service for Quicken Users ! In-Reply-To: <200011140359.eAE3x5q05931@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from mailresponse2@g7ps.com on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:59:06AM +0000 References: <200011140359.eAE3x5q05931@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001113221518.B61450@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Woo hoo! Someone loves us so dearly they subscribed us to list Quicken mailing list :) Gabe On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:59:06AM +0000, News Publishing wrote: > ELECTRONIC NEWS RELEASE > *** using e-mail keeps us informed and protects our natural resources *** > > November 13, 2000 - San Diego, California > > Qchex.com introduces a new financial convenience service for institutions, businesses and individuals: > Qchex! > http://www.qchex.com > > The unique payment solution (patent pending) allows users to securely manage their bank account > information on the internet as well as instantly send and receive paper checks. Qchex is based on > distributing checks via e-mail. Recipients receive check notification and are linked to a secure server for > download and instant print of the check for bank deposit. Once printed, the sender will receive instant > confirmation that payment was received. > > Qchex can be used for any personal and business purpose, such as paying vendors, utility companies, > credit cards, payroll, funding investments, internet purchases, memberships or sending money to family > members and friends. Various FREE programs are available for individuals, businesses and institutions > wanting to accept Qchex integrated with their payment system. > > Users can choose from three service plans: > > Plan 1: 50 Checks FREE per month, no monthly service charge > Plan 2: 250 Checks FREE per month* and $5 monthly service charge > Plan 3: 500 Checks FREE per month*, database upload for automated check distribution and $20 monthly > service charge. > > *Any checks beyond the included FREE amounts are 5 cents each. > > Unlike offerings from other financial institutions the service does not incur excessive interest, hidden fees > or penalties, limitations of use, or involvement of costly credit card transactions. Both senders and > receivers of payment benefit from Qchex and share significant cost savings. Protection of privacy and > security are maintained carefully with state-of-the-art policies and technology. To start and setup Qchex > takes entering a name, an e-mail address and specifying a password. That's it! > > For a live Qchex demo click on the following link: > http://www.qchex.com > > Yours truly, > > Qchex.com > Public Relations > Feedback@qchex.com > > > > Note: > If you WANT to receive information about Qchex and new developments in the future, please click on the > following link: > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_ae.asp?e=tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > If you do NOT WANT to hear about Qchex and related news in the future, please click on the following > link: > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_de.asp?e=tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Nov 13 22:16:15 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23750] New Qchex Service for Quicken Users ! In-Reply-To: <200011140359.eAE3x5q05931@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from mailresponse2@g7ps.com on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:59:06AM +0000 References: <200011140359.eAE3x5q05931@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001113221615.C61450@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Oh, it's _Qchex_ I guess.... annoying. Gabe On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:59:06AM +0000, News Publishing wrote: > ELECTRONIC NEWS RELEASE > *** using e-mail keeps us informed and protects our natural resources *** > > November 13, 2000 - San Diego, California > > Qchex.com introduces a new financial convenience service for institutions, businesses and individuals: > Qchex! > http://www.qchex.com > > The unique payment solution (patent pending) allows users to securely manage their bank account > information on the internet as well as instantly send and receive paper checks. Qchex is based on > distributing checks via e-mail. Recipients receive check notification and are linked to a secure server for > download and instant print of the check for bank deposit. Once printed, the sender will receive instant > confirmation that payment was received. > > Qchex can be used for any personal and business purpose, such as paying vendors, utility companies, > credit cards, payroll, funding investments, internet purchases, memberships or sending money to family > members and friends. Various FREE programs are available for individuals, businesses and institutions > wanting to accept Qchex integrated with their payment system. > > Users can choose from three service plans: > > Plan 1: 50 Checks FREE per month, no monthly service charge > Plan 2: 250 Checks FREE per month* and $5 monthly service charge > Plan 3: 500 Checks FREE per month*, database upload for automated check distribution and $20 monthly > service charge. > > *Any checks beyond the included FREE amounts are 5 cents each. > > Unlike offerings from other financial institutions the service does not incur excessive interest, hidden fees > or penalties, limitations of use, or involvement of costly credit card transactions. Both senders and > receivers of payment benefit from Qchex and share significant cost savings. Protection of privacy and > security are maintained carefully with state-of-the-art policies and technology. To start and setup Qchex > takes entering a name, an e-mail address and specifying a password. That's it! > > For a live Qchex demo click on the following link: > http://www.qchex.com > > Yours truly, > > Qchex.com > Public Relations > Feedback@qchex.com > > > > Note: > If you WANT to receive information about Qchex and new developments in the future, please click on the > following link: > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_ae.asp?e=tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > If you do NOT WANT to hear about Qchex and related news in the future, please click on the following > link: > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_de.asp?e=tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 13 22:17:26 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spam my fault In-Reply-To: <20001113221615.C61450@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 10:16:15PM -0600 References: <200011140359.eAE3x5q05931@acm.cs.umn.edu> <20001113221615.C61450@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001113221726.A18762@real-time.com> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > Oh, it's _Qchex_ I guess.... annoying. Spam is my fault. I have mailman open to ezmlm and they slipped a message in via that route. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ben at nerp.net Mon Nov 13 23:09:51 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23753] Spam my fault In-Reply-To: <20001113221726.A18762@real-time.com> Message-ID: the bastards, anyone care to hunt them down with pitchforks and torches? :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > > Oh, it's _Qchex_ I guess.... annoying. > > Spam is my fault. I have mailman open to ezmlm and they slipped a message in via > that route. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 13 23:53:14 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23753] Spam my fault Message-ID: Lately, I've been seeing alot of spammers sending out messages on how some stock is going to go Gangbusters and everyone needs to buy now. This, of course, drives the price of the stock up. The SEC considers it securities fraud and takes it very seriously. The spammers link to our site since we provide free financial info. We have nothing to do with the spam, but I get hundreds of complaints some days. You know what the best way to get back at someone who does this is?? Track them down and report them to the SEC. The SEC freezes their assets until the investigation is complete. I hate spammers. I never though I'd say this, but I love the SEC. :) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23753] Spam my fault the bastards, anyone care to hunt them down with pitchforks and torches? :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > > Oh, it's _Qchex_ I guess.... annoying. > > Spam is my fault. I have mailman open to ezmlm and they slipped a message in via > that route. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Nov 14 00:02:34 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware In-Reply-To: <3A104C11.7EFC78E@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 02:16:17PM -0600 References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <20001113135450.B10936@knicknack.net> <3A104C11.7EFC78E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001114000234.A20253@real-time.com> > With full blown VMWare you can run just about any OS that runs on Intel. > MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, Win9X, NT4, Windows 2000, BSDs, etc. (I belive ME isn't > officially supported yet...but it still might work.) WinME will *work* under VMware, but not perfectly. the video drivers are only /mostly/ compatible; and networking is a bit shaky (PPTP connections die instantly). the sucky part of VMware is that games that use DirectX won't work on it. :( so you need a separate box to play Diablo 2 on. :( > I have yet to install a UNIX os under VMWare, and have yet to see > the need (though playing with Solaris or Free/Open/Net BSD might be fun...) I use it at work for development environments; so I can maintain a clean environment to work with. best trick that VMWare allows you to do: 1. install your OS and apps 2. shut it down 3. tar & bz2 all the files in the appropriate VMware subdirectory (all 4 of them.. nice and simple). 4. when your original install gets too crufty, blow it away and untar your saved disk image. :) OpenBSD's net-install floppy doesn't support the emulated AMD network card, unfortunately (tho the CD supposedly does). :( haven't tried any of the other BSDs. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Nov 14 00:02:59 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TVOUT success (really!) Message-ID: Haha! I got TVOUT working with my Matroc G400. Didn't really take very long either! All you have to do is (A) Get Matrox to mail you the TVOUT cable for the secondary head (free BTW). Then you setup a second monitor with a refresh rate of 60Hz and put Option "Tv" in the Device section. I'm running it with xinerama now. Ok. Here is the sick part. In order to test this, I have connected the TVOUT into my BT848 Capture card, and am using XawTV to view my other screen on the current screen. I'll make a screen capture now... http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-1.jpg is what it looks like to me. http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-2.jpg is presumably how X sees things (: Sad thing is for the applicatin I'm planning I do NOW want xinerama. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Tue Nov 14 00:14:23 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hahahaha.. my roomie says "is this guy local? i need to take a baseball bat to his face for something so silly" I dunno if i agree with that kind of violence, but you deserve some kind of punishment for being so geeky :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > Haha! I got TVOUT working with my Matroc G400. Didn't really take very > long either! All you have to do is (A) Get Matrox to mail you the TVOUT > cable for the secondary head (free BTW). Then you setup a second monitor > with a refresh rate of 60Hz and put > > Option "Tv" > > in the Device section. > > I'm running it with xinerama now. > > Ok. Here is the sick part. > > In order to test this, I have connected the TVOUT into my BT848 Capture > card, and am using XawTV to view my other screen on the current > screen. I'll make a screen capture now... > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-1.jpg is what it looks like to me. > http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-2.jpg is presumably how X sees things (: > > Sad thing is for the applicatin I'm planning I do NOW want xinerama. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 14 00:17:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) Message-ID: Ok, that's pretty sweet. What happens if you move the TV window off the left side of the screen into itself?? :) -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:03 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) Haha! I got TVOUT working with my Matroc G400. Didn't really take very long either! All you have to do is (A) Get Matrox to mail you the TVOUT cable for the secondary head (free BTW). Then you setup a second monitor with a refresh rate of 60Hz and put Option "Tv" in the Device section. I'm running it with xinerama now. Ok. Here is the sick part. In order to test this, I have connected the TVOUT into my BT848 Capture card, and am using XawTV to view my other screen on the current screen. I'll make a screen capture now... http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-1.jpg is what it looks like to me. http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-2.jpg is presumably how X sees things (: Sad thing is for the applicatin I'm planning I do NOW want xinerama. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Nov 14 00:19:50 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, that's pretty sweet. What happens if you move the TV window off the > left side of the screen into itself?? :) Oh, you can't get it ALL the way onto itself (obviously) but it does start doing that infinite tunnel thing. (of course I tried!) -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Nov 14 00:21:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > hahahaha.. my roomie says "is this guy local? i need to take a baseball > bat to his face for something so silly" I dunno if i agree with that > kind of violence, but you deserve some kind of punishment for being so > geeky :) Er... in my own mind I'll change that to "I need to give him a whole lot of cash cause he's so cool". Besides... I needed to test this thing out and I don't have a cable that'll reach the TV right now. How about asking your roomie to bring me one? (: -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 14 00:25:21 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) Message-ID: Must have geeky screenshot of infinite tunnel... :) -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:20 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) Hi, On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, that's pretty sweet. What happens if you move the TV window off the > left side of the screen into itself?? :) Oh, you can't get it ALL the way onto itself (obviously) but it does start doing that infinite tunnel thing. (of course I tried!) -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Nov 14 00:38:08 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Must have geeky screenshot of infinite tunnel... :) Sorry dude, I don't feel like restarting X again - I'm in the middle of several things (; maybe tomorrow? -Yaron -- From fjorn at mninter.net Tue Nov 14 05:08:11 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <20001113135450.B10936@knicknack.net> <3A104C11.7EFC78E@ltiflex.com> <20001114000234.A20253@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A111D1B.B6E61CC5@mninter.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > the sucky part of VMware is that games that use DirectX won't work > on it. :( so you need a separate box to play Diablo 2 on. :( > D'oh! There goes my idea of playing a lot of really cool Windows games on the stability of Linux. Oh well, still be good to play around with WMWare/Win4Lin/Wine and see what trouble I get into. > I use it at work for development environments; so I can maintain a > clean environment to work with. best trick that VMWare allows you to do: > 1. install your OS and apps > 2. shut it down > 3. tar & bz2 all the files in the appropriate VMware subdirectory > (all 4 of them.. nice and simple). > 4. when your original install gets too crufty, blow it away and untar your > saved disk image. :) > Sorta like a Ghost image then. Cool none the less, far better than reloading the whole system over again. Shawn From bgilbertson at stonel.com Tue Nov 14 07:15:52 2000 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware References: <3A1042B6.F96F3508@mninter.net> <20001113135450.B10936@knicknack.net> <3A104C11.7EFC78E@ltiflex.com> <20001114000234.A20253@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A113B08.9952DB82@stonel.com> Hello all, Been following the list a while but this is my first post. Came across another VM Ware look alike but haven't tried it. Looks to be in the $100 range. http://www.flashvos.com/ Bob Gilbertson Principal Development Engineer StoneL Corp. www.stonel.com Fergus Falls, MN Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > With full blown VMWare you can run just about any OS that runs on Intel. > > MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, Win9X, NT4, Windows 2000, BSDs, etc. (I belive ME isn't > > officially supported yet...but it still might work.) > > WinME will *work* under VMware, but not perfectly. the video drivers > are only /mostly/ compatible; and networking is a bit shaky (PPTP > connections die instantly). > > the sucky part of VMware is that games that use DirectX won't work > on it. :( so you need a separate box to play Diablo 2 on. :( > > > I have yet to install a UNIX os under VMWare, and have yet to see > > the need (though playing with Solaris or Free/Open/Net BSD might be fun...) > > I use it at work for development environments; so I can maintain a > clean environment to work with. best trick that VMWare allows you to do: > 1. install your OS and apps > 2. shut it down > 3. tar & bz2 all the files in the appropriate VMware subdirectory > (all 4 of them.. nice and simple). > 4. when your original install gets too crufty, blow it away and untar your > saved disk image. :) > > OpenBSD's net-install floppy doesn't support the emulated AMD network card, > unfortunately (tho the CD supposedly does). :( haven't tried any of the other BSDs. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Tue Nov 14 07:25:01 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A103716.B67CC091@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3A113D2D.829053BB@fandre.com> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > You're right, I meant || (two vertical bars). Let's check the excuse list... > > I'm drunk || I'm getting senile || It's monday || Someone has hijacked my e-mail address > No, no. In this case, you really want to use &&. I'm drunk && I'm getting senile && It's monday && Someone has hijacked my e-mail address From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 09:32:34 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 12:02:59AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001114093234.A6160@yahoo.com> I don't think that helps me at all. I have a Mystique G200 with TVout. I don't think I can have a separate display on the tvout. One of these days I'll have to get a G400 or a G450. I thought about trying tvout with my BT848. I think my next attempt will use the bt848. It was a pain moving my machine downstairs next to the tv. Tim On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 12:02:59AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Haha! I got TVOUT working with my Matroc G400. Didn't really take very > long either! All you have to do is (A) Get Matrox to mail you the TVOUT > cable for the secondary head (free BTW). Then you setup a second monitor > with a refresh rate of 60Hz and put > > Option "Tv" > > in the Device section. > > I'm running it with xinerama now. > > Ok. Here is the sick part. > > In order to test this, I have connected the TVOUT into my BT848 Capture > card, and am using XawTV to view my other screen on the current > screen. I'll make a screen capture now... > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-1.jpg is what it looks like to me. > http://www.yaron.org/pic/tvout-2.jpg is presumably how X sees things (: > > Sad thing is for the applicatin I'm planning I do NOW want xinerama. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 14 11:43:20 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware Message-ID: > D'oh! There goes my idea of playing a lot of really cool > Windows games > on the stability of Linux. Oh well, still be good to play around with > WMWare/Win4Lin/Wine and see what trouble I get into. You can play some Direct X games under Wine. Starcraft works, and I'm pretty sure someone got Diablo 2 working also. > -----Original Message----- > From: Fjorn [mailto:fjorn@mninter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:08 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware > > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > the sucky part of VMware is that games that use > DirectX won't work > > on it. :( so you need a separate box to play Diablo 2 on. :( > > > D'oh! There goes my idea of playing a lot of really cool > Windows games > on the stability of Linux. Oh well, still be good to play around with > WMWare/Win4Lin/Wine and see what trouble I get into. > > > I use it at work for development environments; so I > can maintain a > > clean environment to work with. best trick that VMWare > allows you to do: > > 1. install your OS and apps > > 2. shut it down > > 3. tar & bz2 all the files in the appropriate VMware subdirectory > > (all 4 of them.. nice and simple). > > 4. when your original install gets too crufty, blow it away > and untar your > > saved disk image. :) > > > > Sorta like a Ghost image then. Cool none the less, far better than > reloading the whole system over again. > > > Shawn > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From fjorn at mninter.net Tue Nov 14 12:33:57 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware References: Message-ID: <3A118595.4F23FD37@mninter.net> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > You can play some Direct X games under Wine. Starcraft works, and I'm > pretty sure someone got Diablo 2 working also. > The older games for the most part I've noticed work. Diablo 2 haven't played yet. In a way, I'm sorta doing a protest against them. It took them what, 4 years to come out with D2? It was in production for 75% fo that time. It was constantly being pushed back, and therefore continually making me more ticked off at them. Now, I see D2, and it's not that much different from the original. The newer games, particularly Everquest, are ones that interest me on getting ported. If the people keep looking at the old ones, then there won't be much push to get the new ones ported over or even somewhat released for the Linux OS. That's a large part of the problem that Mac faced, and continues to face. If they were lucky enough to get the game to be developed for Mac OS (because of either demand for it or the developers wanted to get money from an extra market), it was 6 months down the line, and sometimes the product wasn't as good. In rare cases, it was better. From gje at visi.com Tue Nov 14 12:37:57 2000 From: gje at visi.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23742] WINE vs. VM-Ware In-Reply-To: <3A118595.4F23FD37@mninter.net> Message-ID: Bah! Diablo II is awesome! /* Greg Evans Minneapolis, MN - gje@visi.com cens@geeks.org "Freedom is more important then happiness" - Tom Robbins */ On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Fjorn wrote: > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > You can play some Direct X games under Wine. Starcraft works, and I'm > > pretty sure someone got Diablo 2 working also. > > > > The older games for the most part I've noticed work. Diablo 2 haven't > played yet. In a way, I'm sorta doing a protest against them. It took > them what, 4 years to come out with D2? It was in production for 75% fo > that time. It was constantly being pushed back, and therefore > continually making me more ticked off at them. Now, I see D2, and it's > not that much different from the original. > > The newer games, particularly Everquest, are ones that interest me on > getting ported. If the people keep looking at the old ones, then there > won't be much push to get the new ones ported over or even somewhat > released for the Linux OS. That's a large part of the problem that Mac > faced, and continues to face. If they were lucky enough to get the game > to be developed for Mac OS (because of either demand for it or the > developers wanted to get money from an extra market), it was 6 months > down the line, and sometimes the product wasn't as good. In rare cases, > it was better. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From phil80 at netscape.net Tue Nov 14 13:08:33 2000 From: phil80 at netscape.net (Philip Forst) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux RAS + Novell Netware Network Message-ID: <20001114190834.28147.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Hello all. OK, I have Linux Mandrake 7.1 running on a Compaq Proliant 1600R server – PIII-550 & 256 MB RAM. This machine is intended to provide DHCP, DNS, Web server, and RAS services. I have a Digi Acceleport RAS 4 card and its drivers properly installed. I realize that I have to properly configure pppd and mgetty for employees to dial into the machine. The intent is that employees will dial into the Linux machine and reach the entire network. Hopefully this can be accomplished by having the Linux box using AutoPPP option and forwarding the connection/packets to the Novell server so users can log in there. In effect, the Linux box will act as a pass through. The catch is that it is a Novell Netware network. The network is running via IP, not IPX. Also, Ipv4 forwarding is enabled on the Linux machine. I do not want to add user accounts to the Linux box. Users’ computers are using Win95 and Win98 dial-up networking to call in. So,… (1) Is installing and configuring ncpfs or something similar on the Linux machine the only way to make this setup work? Office employees are not extremely computer literate. In effect, it is best for them to hit the “Connect” button on their dial-up networking and then eventually get the same Novell login screen as they see in the office. (2) Is it possible to make this work without giving every office employee an account on the Linux machine and then manually updating the password file all the time? Is there a way to automatically sync a Linux and Novell Network password file? I do not currently have any Windows NT servers. So, sacrificing a computer to NT is not a desirable option. Any assistance that you can provide is appreciated. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 14 13:15:26 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23770] Linux RAS + Novell Netware Network Message-ID: Can you make the linux box authenticate them against LDAP or RADIUS? I'm sure Novell provides LDAP, not sure about RADIUS though. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Forst [mailto:phil80@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:09 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:23770] Linux RAS + Novell Netware Network > > > Hello all. > > OK, I have Linux Mandrake 7.1 running on a Compaq Proliant > 1600R server - > PIII-550 & 256 MB RAM. This machine is intended to provide > DHCP, DNS, Web > server, and RAS services. I have a Digi Acceleport RAS 4 > card and its drivers > properly installed. > > I realize that I have to properly configure pppd and mgetty > for employees to > dial into the machine. The intent is that employees will > dial into the Linux > machine and reach the entire network. Hopefully this can be > accomplished by > having the Linux box using AutoPPP option and forwarding the > connection/packets to the Novell server so users can log in > there. In effect, > the Linux box will act as a pass through. The catch is that > it is a Novell > Netware network. The network is running via IP, not IPX. Also, Ipv4 > forwarding is enabled on the Linux machine. > > I do not want to add user accounts to the Linux box. Users' > computers are > using Win95 and Win98 dial-up networking to call in. So,... > > > (1) Is installing and configuring ncpfs or something > similar on the Linux > machine the only way to make this setup work? Office > employees are not > extremely computer literate. In effect, it is best for them > to hit the > "Connect" button on their dial-up networking and then > eventually get the same > Novell login screen as they see in the office. > > (2) Is it possible to make this work without giving every > office employee an > account on the Linux machine and then manually updating the > password file all > the time? Is there a way to automatically sync a Linux and > Novell Network > password file? > > I do not currently have any Windows NT servers. So, > sacrificing a computer > to NT is not a desirable option. > > Any assistance that you can provide is appreciated. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Nov 14 14:04:52 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23770] Linux RAS + Novell Netware Network References: <20001114190834.28147.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <3A119AE4.FF9C00DD@ltiflex.com> Dunno if this will help you too much, but a quick google search for pam netware turned up this page: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/modules.html There are modules that will let you auth agnist your netware boxes, but you might still have to have a account on the linux machine ( adduser --disabled-passwd username + set shell to /bin/false ) or set the password to complete gibberish and change /etc/pam.d/ppp to use the netware modules and login and everything else use the standard mosules. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From dchristian at macalester.edu Tue Nov 14 15:17:07 2000 From: dchristian at macalester.edu (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A103716.B67CC091@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <001f01c04e80$41ee71a0$0500000a@localdomain> > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate time.enough.org > > > Aren't error codes returned as numbers other than 0 and a regular exit a 0? If that's the case, and 0 is treated as false, then you *do* want to use && for this. Thanks, Dave From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 14 15:31:46 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <001f01c04e80$41ee71a0$0500000a@localdomain>; from dchristian@macalester.edu on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:17:07PM -0600 References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A103716.B67CC091@structural-wood.com> <001f01c04e80$41ee71a0$0500000a@localdomain> Message-ID: <20001114153146.M62225@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ah, in C, 0 means false and 1 means true, but in UNIX in general, a program that exits with _no_ error returns 0, and otherwise returns non-0. It makes sense if you think of the fact that it returns with whether or not it returned false. Did I have an error? No - return 0 (error false) Yes - return non-0 (error true) It took me a little while to see this logic :) Gabe On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:17:07PM -0600, David Christian wrote: > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate > time.enough.org > > > > > Aren't error codes returned as numbers other than 0 and a regular exit a 0? > > If that's the case, and 0 is treated as false, then you *do* want to use && > for this. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 14 15:35:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <001f01c04e80$41ee71a0$0500000a@localdomain>; from dchristian@macalester.edu on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:17:07PM -0600 References: <009901c04b33$825fb6e0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> <3A1028E9.EE1C4A33@structural-wood.com> <20001113122321.F59565@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A103716.B67CC091@structural-wood.com> <001f01c04e80$41ee71a0$0500000a@localdomain> Message-ID: <20001114153532.N62225@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ok, never mind my reply, since I just repeated what you said, but I still think it should be ||. && is not the same as & (and is not the same as && in java, say). If you have make dep && make clean && make bzImage for example, make clean only runs if make dep returned 0 and make bzImage only runs if make clean returned 0. In the time setting context, he had ntpdate server1 && ntpdate server2 && ntpdate server3 So, ntpdate server2 only runs if ntpdate server1 exited 0, in which case the time is already set, so the entire expression is retundant. Gabe On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:17:07PM -0600, David Christian wrote: > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate > time.enough.org > > > > > Aren't error codes returned as numbers other than 0 and a regular exit a 0? > > If that's the case, and 0 is treated as false, then you *do* want to use && > for this. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From thouck at thouck.com Tue Nov 14 15:34:48 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct In-Reply-To: <001f01c04e80$41ee71a0$0500000a@localdomain> Message-ID: I believe the && and || merely looks at output. For instance, if an error occurs, something is output to standard error. For example: $> ps aux | grep 'mysqld' | ( grep -v 'grep' && echo "MySQL is running" ) || echo "MySQL is not running!" and $> cat /var/log/messages 1>/dev/null || echo "Hey! You're not root!" Timothy On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, David Christian wrote: > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:46:17AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > I typically string 3 or four servers coupled by &&'s in case one of > > > > the servers is down. For example... > > > > > > > > ntpdate time.nist.gov && ntpdate for.a.good.time.call.gov && ntpdate > time.enough.org > > > > > Aren't error codes returned as numbers other than 0 and a regular exit a 0? > > If that's the case, and 0 is treated as false, then you *do* want to use && > for this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 14 16:00:44 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23670] keeping time correct References: Message-ID: <3A11B60B.73999B52@tcfreenet.org> Timothy Houck wrote: > > I believe the && and || merely looks at output. For instance, if an error > occurs, something is output to standard error. No, its the return code. 0 for success, !=0 for failure. Remember kids, only one way to succeed, many ways to fail. Basic C programming, people. :P From ghettobretto at hotmail.com Tue Nov 14 15:51:59 2000 From: ghettobretto at hotmail.com (Brett Astleford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ram Message-ID: how do I get drake 7.0 to recognize more ram? Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group bastleford@platinumdg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001114/30039665/attachment.htm From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Nov 14 16:12:36 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23778] ram References: Message-ID: <3A11B8D4.7FBF72CE@ltiflex.com> Notice: Skip Tip 1 and you can just skip the whole message. Tip 1: Search the tclug-list archives. :) Tip 2: Since I'm in a good mood today: If you're having problems with ram not being detected (or a video card shares system ram...) you need to tell the kernel at boot by manually entering it (use for testing) or putting it il lilo.conf (after testing.) The syntax is: LILO boot: Linux mem=256M (where linux is the name of your kernel) In lilo.conf (edit and run lilo before rebooting): append="mem=256M" Replace 256 with the amount of RAM in your system. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From cbidler at talkware.net Tue Nov 14 16:22:59 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris H. Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23778] ram References: Message-ID: <3A11BB43.F1BF0CB1@talkware.net> Brett Astleford wrote: > > how do I get drake 7.0 to recognize more ram? > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > bastleford@platinumdg.com as root: vi /etc/lilo.conf Is should look similar to this: boot=/dev/sda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 default=linux image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0-t10 label=linux read-only root=/dev/sda2 add---->append="mem=M" Then run lilo to re-build your boot block. you should be good to go. <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 14 17:55:41 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenBSD won't install. Message-ID: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> So, had anyone actually managed to get OpenBSD to install? I've tried on four different machines, and all it does is hang 'stalled' at 2% when installing base27.tgz. I've tried FTP installs and CDROM installs and local disk partition installs and several different mirrors and both 2.7 and 2.6. Same result. !@#$ POS. From cbidler at talkware.net Tue Nov 14 17:57:11 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris H. Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A11D157.CBC1BD4A@talkware.net> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > So, had anyone actually managed to get OpenBSD to install? I've tried on > four different machines, and all it does is hang 'stalled' at 2% when > installing base27.tgz. I've tried FTP installs and CDROM installs and > local disk partition installs and several different mirrors and both 2.7 > and 2.6. Same result. !@#$ POS. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org I some trouble installing 2.6/2.7 on a 486/66, but IIRC the problems were all related to me trying to get the 2.6 installer to 'see' the 2.7 packages, which I was attempting to get around having to rip a CD-ROM out of a workstation to bootstrap this little box. Finally, I went the CD install route with no trouble. I don't really remember much about the process, tho, so I guess that's not too helpful. But it *can* work! :) -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 14 18:06:27 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cut-over Message-ID: <20001114180627.M19517@real-time.com> What : Schedule maintenance When : 14-Nov-2000 01:00 CST Length : estimated 15 mins Why : Upgrade(?) to mailman for mailing list Details ------- Well, the time has come to cut over the tclug-list mailing list to mailman. I'll miss ezmlm, but I want to push the admin of mailing list accounts out to you the user and mailman does a great job of that. The other tclug lists will stay on ezmlm until after a production testing period of the new this list. I am think December 1st. The archives will stay at the same url. http://archives.real-time.com/tclug-list/ Now, the domain names will be wacked until we get all lists of the old software. Bottom line, you can still use the mn-linux.org addresses, but when the list sends stuff out it will come from real-time.com until everything is cut-over. Finally the webadmin part of the list is here: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list It uses a fake cert just to keep your info private. I have had issues with the fake certs with Mozilla M18 and nightly builds. Just a warning. As I previously stated this url will change to a mn-linux.org domain once the cut-over is complete. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner ; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 05:55:41PM -0600 References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001114185836.A63539@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Sure... Works just fine for me. Does it stall at _exactly_ the same place everytime? Gabe On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 05:55:41PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > So, had anyone actually managed to get OpenBSD to install? I've tried on > four different machines, and all it does is hang 'stalled' at 2% when > installing base27.tgz. I've tried FTP installs and CDROM installs and > local disk partition installs and several different mirrors and both 2.7 > and 2.6. Same result. !@#$ POS. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 14 19:35:10 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> <20001114185836.A63539@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A11E84E.4C2920FD@tcfreenet.org> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Sure... Works just fine for me. Does it stall at _exactly_ the same place > everytime? Yes. From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 14 19:49:22 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with wine Message-ID: <3A11EBA2.D69A01C5@tcfreenet.org> Can't get Flash 5 running like I wanted, complains about OLE 2.0 not working. But Winamp runs pretty well. http://seg.perkinz.org/random/winamp-wine.jpg That bendy logo thing eats a lot of CPU, without it it runs about 7-8% CPU. (Native xmms is under %1 mind you ;) From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Nov 14 21:10:22 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:35:10 -0600" References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> <20001114185836.A63539@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A11E84E.4C2920FD@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Perhaps you have bad memory or something like this? Seems odd that it's _exactly_ the same spot. I've got 2.7 installed and it worked the first try, did it via ftp too. Callum Lerwick writes: > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > Sure... Works just fine for me. Does it stall at _exactly_ the same place > > everytime? > > Yes. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 14 21:33:28 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> <20001114185836.A63539@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A11E84E.4C2920FD@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A120408.8AA56410@tcfreenet.org> Jon Schewe wrote: > > Perhaps you have bad memory or something like this? Seems odd that it's > _exactly_ the same spot. I've got 2.7 installed and it worked the first try, > did it via ftp too. Like I said, three totally different machines. Hmmm, come to think of it the only constant is the HD. Its never caused me problems before... Someone got any 200-1gb drives they want to get rid of? ;P From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 14 21:34:45 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23787] Fun with wine References: <3A11EBA2.D69A01C5@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A120455.A69D072D@tcfreenet.org> Hmmm. Seems lightwave runs pretty well. http://seg.perkinz.org/random/lightwave-wine.jpg Understatement of the year. Pardon me while I go insane with glee... From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 14 21:29:17 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Password Manager in Netscape 6.0 or Mozilla nightly builds Message-ID: <20001114212917.B2258@real-time.com> Anyone able to get the password manager to work under Mozilla nightly builds? How about Netscape 6.0? Can't get it to work in either. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Nov 14 22:07:02 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OPENSSH Message-ID: <001114220702.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I'm trying to install openssh on RH6.2 and seem to be going nowhere. Has anyone seen the following problem: gcc -O2 -Wall -I/usr/openssl/include -I. -I. -DETCDIR=\"/usr/ssh/etc\" -DSSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/ssh/bin/ssh\" -DSSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/ssh/libexec/ssh/ssh-askpass\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c -o bsd-arc4random.o bsd-arc4random.c In file included from openbsd-compat.h:20, from includes.h:92, from bsd-arc4random.c:30: bsd-strsep.h:7: parse error before `__extension__' bsd-strsep.h:7: parse error before `(' In file included from openbsd-compat.h:23, from includes.h:92, from bsd-arc4random.c:30: fake-getaddrinfo.h:20: redefinition of `struct addrinfo' In file included from openbsd-compat.h:25, from includes.h:92, from bsd-arc4random.c:30: fake-socket.h:14: redefinition of `struct sockaddr_storage' fake-socket.h:29: redefinition of `struct in6_addr' fake-socket.h:30: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union fake-socket.h:30: parse error before `.' fake-socket.h:35: redefinition of `struct sockaddr_in6' make: *** [bsd-arc4random.o] Error 1 I'm stuck on the first one as there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the files mentioned. The other part I don't get is the __extension__, as I don't see that anywhere. Any help PLEASE!! Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Nov 14 23:38:42 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 05:55:41PM -0600 References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001114233842.A13934@ares.usinternet.com> On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 05:55:41PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >So, had anyone actually managed to get OpenBSD to install? I've tried on >four different machines, and all it does is hang 'stalled' at 2% when >installing base27.tgz. I've tried FTP installs and CDROM installs and >local disk partition installs and several different mirrors and both 2.7 >and 2.6. Same result. !@#$ POS. > I installed it on my laptop, even got my cardbus pcmcia ethernet card working! Till I broke the end off the card :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Nov 14 23:39:28 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 09:10:22PM -0600 References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> <20001114185836.A63539@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A11E84E.4C2920FD@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001114233928.B13934@ares.usinternet.com> On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 09:10:22PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: >Perhaps you have bad memory or something like this? Seems odd that it's >_exactly_ the same spot. I've got 2.7 installed and it worked the first try, >did it via ftp too. Sounds like a bad cd to me, but not sure why the ftp install would barf. > >Callum Lerwick writes: > >> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >> > >> > Sure... Works just fine for me. Does it stall at _exactly_ the same place >> > everytime? >> >> Yes. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> > >-- >Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe >For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels >nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any >powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all >creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that >is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 >NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 15 00:03:07 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla gunzipping Message-ID: Hey... Anyone know how to get Mozilla to STOP GUNZIPPING all the .gz files I DL with it? It is ANNOYING THE HELL out of me... if it'd at least strip the .gz extention. Took me a while to figure it out, I thought it was breaking the files en-route! -Yaron -- From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Nov 15 07:33:11 2000 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23791] Password Manager in Netscape 6.0 or Mozilla nightly builds References: <20001114212917.B2258@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A129097.8020402@qwest.net> PM works fine in 4 separate installs of Netscape 6 for me. Dave Sherman Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone able to get the password manager to work under Mozilla nightly builds? > > How about Netscape 6.0? > > Can't get it to work in either. -- "...[W]e preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:23-24) From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Nov 15 07:49:55 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:33:28 -0600" References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> <20001114185836.A63539@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A11E84E.4C2920FD@tcfreenet.org> <3A120408.8AA56410@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: I've got a couple of 200MB maxtor SCSI drives. Callum Lerwick writes: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Perhaps you have bad memory or something like this? Seems odd that it's > > _exactly_ the same spot. I've got 2.7 installed and it worked the first try, > > did it via ftp too. > > Like I said, three totally different machines. Hmmm, come to think of it > the only constant is the HD. Its never caused me problems before... > > Someone got any 200-1gb drives they want to get rid of? ;P > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 08:05:25 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH In-Reply-To: <001114220702.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 10:07:02PM -0600 References: <001114220702.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001115080525.B64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ed, what version of OpenSSH are you trying to install? Are you sure you downloaded the "portable" source (usually named something like openssh-2.3.0p1.tar.gz - note the p1). The normal OpenSSH source (tarball doesn't have a p1 in it's name) will only flowlessly compile on OpenBSD. Gabe On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 10:07:02PM -0600, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to install openssh on RH6.2 and seem to be going nowhere. Has anyone > seen the following problem: > > gcc -O2 -Wall -I/usr/openssl/include -I. -I. -DETCDIR=\"/usr/ssh/etc\" > -DSSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/ssh/bin/ssh\" > -DSSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/ssh/libexec/ssh/ssh-askpass\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c > -o bsd-arc4random.o bsd-arc4random.c > > In file included from openbsd-compat.h:20, > from includes.h:92, > from bsd-arc4random.c:30: > bsd-strsep.h:7: parse error before `__extension__' > bsd-strsep.h:7: parse error before `(' > In file included from openbsd-compat.h:23, > from includes.h:92, > from bsd-arc4random.c:30: > fake-getaddrinfo.h:20: redefinition of `struct addrinfo' > In file included from openbsd-compat.h:25, > from includes.h:92, > from bsd-arc4random.c:30: > fake-socket.h:14: redefinition of `struct sockaddr_storage' > fake-socket.h:29: redefinition of `struct in6_addr' > fake-socket.h:30: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > fake-socket.h:30: parse error before `.' > fake-socket.h:35: redefinition of `struct sockaddr_in6' > make: *** [bsd-arc4random.o] Error 1 > > I'm stuck on the first one as there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the > files mentioned. The other part I don't get is the __extension__, as I don't > see that anywhere. > > Any help PLEASE!! > > Thanks > > Ed Hoeffner > 1-271 BSBE > 312 Church St. SE > Mpls, MN 55455 > hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu > 612-625-2115 > 612-625-2163 fax > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From GT150000 at exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com Wed Nov 15 08:27:24 2000 From: GT150000 at exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com (Terfa, Girma) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:98] Cut-over Message-ID: <0657C422A954D21180B400E02925243006B25D25@SUSDAYTE52> Hi Bob, I tried to remove myself unsuccessfully from "tclug-list-digest-help@mn-linux.org" list. Is there any way you can help me with? I am using my work place email and you know some companies "rule" :) Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:00 PM To: tclug-announce@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:98] Cut-over What : Schedule maintenance When : 14-Nov-2000 01:00 CST Length : estimated 15 mins Why : Upgrade(?) to mailman for mailing list Details ------- Well, the time has come to cut over the tclug-list mailing list to mailman. I'll miss ezmlm, but I want to push the admin of mailing list accounts out to you the user and mailman does a great job of that. The other tclug lists will stay on ezmlm until after a production testing period of the new this list. I am think December 1st. The archives will stay at the same url. http://archives.real-time.com/tclug-list/ Now, the domain names will be wacked until we get all lists of the old software. Bottom line, you can still use the mn-linux.org addresses, but when the list sends stuff out it will come from real-time.com until everything is cut-over. Finally the webadmin part of the list is here: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list It uses a fake cert just to keep your info private. I have had issues with the fake certs with Mozilla M18 and nightly builds. Just a warning. As I previously stated this url will change to a mn-linux.org domain once the cut-over is complete. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 15 08:39:18 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111508412502.00186@Billbob_linux> Hey Yourself ;) > Anyone know how to get Mozilla to STOP GUNZIPPING all the .gz files I DL > with it? It is ANNOYING THE HELL out of me... if it'd at least strip the > .gz extention. Took me a while to figure it out, I thought it was breaking > tthe files en-route! Shift+left-click -or- right-click > save link as. Works for me when the .gz gets loaded as text. -- Bill Layer From Hampton_Bruce/Milestone at mail.milestonesystems.com Wed Nov 15 08:53:27 2000 From: Hampton_Bruce/Milestone at mail.milestonesystems.com (Hampton_Bruce/Milestone@mail.milestonesystems.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing RH 6.2 - getting Signal 7 Message-ID: I'm trying to install RH 6.2 on a machine that was running NT 4.0 I NEVER get the GUI for the install, or any mouse curstor. The bigger problem is at various times during the install it's reported that it received a signal 7 and it reboots. It usually happens during the final few minutes after all of the packages are installed. So, when it boots, it tells me it can't find the OS. It's a Compaq P 120 server - once upon a time ran file and print services. All diagnostics don't seem to point to any wrong with the hardware. Thanks in advance. Bruce Hampton From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 15 08:57:59 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: <00111508412502.00186@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Shift+left-click -or- right-click > save link as. Works for me when the .gz > gets loaded as text. Nonono... it's downloading the file fine, not opening it as text, but it's gunzipping it on the way. Shiftclick and SaveAs don't help ): -Yaron -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Nov 15 09:23:56 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Reminder Message-ID: <3A12AA8C.4F15C5B1@fruitioninc.com> Hi - Just a reminder that there will be an informal meeting tomorrow, Thursday, November 18th from 5:30 pm - 8 pm at the Town Hall Brewery. Minors are welcome until 9pm. Details: Town Hall Brewery 1430 Washington Ave S at: Cedar Ave Minneapolis Phone: Phone (612) 339-8696 here's the map: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapolis&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696&map_it.x=32&map_it.y=13 I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. Hope to see you there! Jacque From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 09:25:45 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23791] Password Manager in Netscape 6.0 or Mozilla nightly buildsr In-Reply-To: <20001114212917.B2258@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 09:29:17PM -0600 References: <20001114212917.B2258@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001115092544.A16895@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 09:29:17PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone able to get the password manager to work under Mozilla nightly builds? Yes, its been working for me for months under Solaris. I don't use it that often under Linux, but there shouldn't be much difference. And the nightly that I'm using right now is three weeks old, so there may have been regression. > How about Netscape 6.0? Haven't tried Netscape 6.0. > Can't get it to work in either. How does it fail? What are you trying to do? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 15 09:17:46 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111509290100.00196@Billbob_linux> Wow, On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Nonono... it's downloading the file fine, not opening it as text, but it's > gunzipping it on the way. Shiftclick and SaveAs don't help ): Ok, here is the Mozilla build that I am using. I think this is one of the nightly builds, but the crack is clouding my mind right ATM. [Mozilla] Mozilla M18 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001109 My Mozilla does not behave in the same way as you are describing - I just downloaded a tar.gz to make sure. Not to become alarmed, but something tells me that in a previous life, you killed something important . Bill Layer Sales Technician From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Nov 15 09:33:44 2000 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Heya, I did get OpenBSD to install, but it insists on ordering the nic cards it's way rather than my way, and I'm having problems with routing as a result. The ftp install is pretty slick, but it took me a while to find a server that was reliable. The IP was 128.10.252.10, and the path was /pub/os/OpenBSD/2.7/i386. The 'os' part is different from the OpenBSD default that you get prompted with. I'm trying to build a firewall (much like you I assume), and am having problems. The machine has 3 nic cards, a 3COM PCI 10/100 card, and two 3COM ISA 10 Mbit cards. My goal is to put the PCI card on the internal protected network connected to a 10/100 switch, use one of the ISA cards as the connection to the router (a little Cisco 675 with DSL service), and the other as the connection to a little 8 port 10 Mbit switch for a DMZ. I've got 5 usable IP addresses, so I want to use one for the card connected to the router, one for the card connected to the DMZ, and then the rest for a few small linux boxes in the DMZ. I'm planning on using a 10.x.x.x address for the other port on the firewall, and then using that range for the protected LAN and doing NAT for those boxes. The problems I'm having are as follows: OpenBSD sees the PCI card first, and insists on using that card as the connection to the router. If I set up the routing tables manually I can probably get around that, but it seems to be a bit of a pain. Anyway, as the order of the cards really doesn't matter for my application I decided to just use the order OpenBSD seems to favor. If I can track down another one of those ISA cards I'll just replace th PCI card with a 10 Mbit card and not worry about it. Now my next problem, just to test, I set up a very relaxed set of IP filtering rules (basically pass everything from any port to any other port). Machines in the DMZ can ping the port they are connected to, and they can even ping the protected LAN port, but they can't reach the PCI card to get out to the rest of the world. I figure I've still got a problem with the routing tables. Anyway, does anyone know of a good resource for configuring routing on xBSD? The theory is the same as for linux, but the syntax is different enough that I'm getting confused. I did pick up "Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls" (I forget the publisher/author, the book isn't infront of me), and it's been very helpful. Sadly though, it just barely touches on routing, and indicates that the dynamic routing should be just fine. It also covers OpenBSD 2.5 rather than 2.7. Jeff On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > So, had anyone actually managed to get OpenBSD to install? I've tried on > four different machines, and all it does is hang 'stalled' at 2% when > installing base27.tgz. I've tried FTP installs and CDROM installs and > local disk partition installs and several different mirrors and both 2.7 > and 2.6. Same result. !@#$ POS. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 09:37:10 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 12:03:07AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001115093710.B16895@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 12:03:07AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hey... > > Anyone know how to get Mozilla to STOP GUNZIPPING all the .gz files I DL > with it? It is ANNOYING THE HELL out of me... if it'd at least strip the > .gz extention. Took me a while to figure it out, I thought it was breaking > the files en-route! > Have you looked at Bugzilla? If not take a look at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35956 . Its a more complicated bug than one would think. What happens to the gzipped files is different depending on the way that the web server is serving the file and how you download it with Mozilla. For now the bug has been put off while the Mozilla team deals with the underlying issues. If this bug annoys you, I suggest that you vote for it. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 09:49:30 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 09:33:44AM -0600 References: <3A11D0FD.3C1CFEE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001115094930.F64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, this isn't a BSD list, but I'll reply anyway in the hopes this may help others as well. :) On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 09:33:44AM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > The problems I'm having are as follows: > > OpenBSD sees the PCI card first, and insists on using that card > as the connection to the router. If I set up the routing tables > manually I can probably get around that, but it seems to be a bit > of a pain. Anyway, as the order of the cards really doesn't > matter for my application I decided to just use the order OpenBSD > seems to favor. If I can track down another one of those ISA > cards I'll just replace th PCI card with a 10 Mbit card and not > worry about it. > > Now my next problem, just to test, I set up a very relaxed set > of IP filtering rules (basically pass everything from any port > to any other port). Machines in the DMZ can ping the port they > are connected to, and they can even ping the protected LAN port, > but they can't reach the PCI card to get out to the rest of the > world. I figure I've still got a problem with the routing tables. No, nothing to do with your routing tables, AFAIK. If you want any traffic to get routed to your "live" NIC, you need to setup NAT to send the traffic over to that NIC. Just like you setup NAT for route from your 10.0.0.0 network to your live NIC, you'll need to setup NAT to route your DMZ traffic to your live NIC. I haven't done this personally, but it seems this would be the only way to do it. > > Anyway, does anyone know of a good resource for configuring > routing on xBSD? The theory is the same as for linux, but the > syntax is different enough that I'm getting confused. rtfm route > > I did pick up "Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls" (I forget > the publisher/author, the book isn't infront of me), and it's > been very helpful. Sadly though, it just barely touches on > routing, and indicates that the dynamic routing should be just > fine. It also covers OpenBSD 2.5 rather than 2.7. Yes, it's an amazing book. I believe they have an example with a network that is much like yours. Did you look at that? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cf352197 at ohiou.edu Wed Nov 15 09:56:47 2000 From: cf352197 at ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suspend to Disk References: Message-ID: <3A12B23F.6090406@ohiou.edu> Anyone have any luck with suspending a linux box to disk? If I suspend to disk and restore the system works but a few things are flaky. X takes a little longer to start, there will be a screen blanker enabled in X (it is the xset blanker) with a time-out of 0 or some such so that the screen blinks on and off as I move the mouse. I also noticed that in same-gnome the marbles? don't rotate smoothly. A reboot fixes it but it will sit on "sending processes the term signal" for a while before the system goes down. This is a RH7 box. But I've had this problem on RH6.2 with various kernel versions and kernel options. Any ideas? Charlie From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Nov 15 10:26:14 2000 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: <20001115094930.F64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Well, this isn't a BSD list, but I'll reply anyway in the hopes this may > help others as well. :) [snip] Thanks, much appreciated. If I can't make some progress on it I'm planning on posting to the OpenBSD mailing list, once I finish re-reading everything I can get my hands on that might be relevant. > No, nothing to do with your routing tables, AFAIK. If you want any traffic > to get routed to your "live" NIC, you need to setup NAT to send the traffic > over to that NIC. Just like you setup NAT for route from your 10.0.0.0 > network to your live NIC, you'll need to setup NAT to route your DMZ > traffic to your live NIC. I haven't done this personally, but it seems > this would be the only way to do it. [snip] Ahh, I hadn't considered that I might need to do NAT for the DMZ. > rtfm route [snip Believe me, I have been, and will continue to do so. > Yes, it's an amazing book. I believe they have an example with a network > that is much like yours. Did you look at that? You betcha. I've read that book front to back several times now. It's a great reference. They also mention some example IPF scripts on their companion website that should be just about exactly what I'm looking for, but the website seems to no longer be current (I could find examples dealing with two NIC cards, but not with three, but I'll continue searching, it was getting very late when I was out there looking the other night). > Gabe Jeff From fjorn at mninter.net Wed Nov 15 11:02:16 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (root) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D'oh! wiped out file.... Message-ID: <3A12C198.8E698F16@mninter.net> In my simple maneuvering of trying to get my zip to be recognized, I whacked my /etc/fstab file.... It's a parallel Zip100 drive BTW. Also, doing this on SuSe 6.4 Following directions, here's what I did: # modprobe ppa (get a device busy or unavailable) # modprobe imm (didn't get any message, and heard the drive engage slightly. So I took it as that was the right one) # mkdir -p /mnt/zip # ln /dev/sda4 /dev/zip Now, here's where I messed up... Using vi, I went in and looked at the /etc/fstab file. Exiting out of there, and thinking I was doing good by following directions typed in the following command: # echo '/dev/zip /mnt/zip vfat noauto,user 0 0' \>>/etc/fstab When I did a more on it to see if the changes took place, I noticed that it whacked the original lines in there for the other devices. Like a dummy, I didn't write anything down as to the file contents. Any suggestions on what I can do? Or am I doomed to having to reload because I whacked a critical file? Shawn From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 15 11:02:13 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... In-Reply-To: <3A12C198.8E698F16@mninter.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, root wrote: > In my simple maneuvering of trying to get my zip to be recognized, I > whacked my /etc/fstab file.... Do you not know what partitions you had on that drive at all? If not, try booting from a rescue disc and thing fdisking the drive to see the partitions. Then start mounting them to see what's on them, and just rebuild /etc/fstab. -Yaron -- From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 11:23:16 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:26:14AM -0600 References: <20001115094930.F64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001115112316.C7781@yahoo.com> On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:26:14AM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Well, this isn't a BSD list, but I'll reply anyway in the hopes this may > > help others as well. :) > > [snip] > > Thanks, much appreciated. If I can't make some progress on it > I'm planning on posting to the OpenBSD mailing list, once I finish > re-reading everything I can get my hands on that might be > relevant. > > > No, nothing to do with your routing tables, AFAIK. If you want any traffic > > to get routed to your "live" NIC, you need to setup NAT to send the traffic > > over to that NIC. Just like you setup NAT for route from your 10.0.0.0 > > network to your live NIC, you'll need to setup NAT to route your DMZ > > traffic to your live NIC. I haven't done this personally, but it seems > > this would be the only way to do it. > > [snip] > > Ahh, I hadn't considered that I might need to do NAT for the DMZ. > > > rtfm route > > [snip > > Believe me, I have been, and will continue to do so. > > > Yes, it's an amazing book. I believe they have an example with a network > > that is much like yours. Did you look at that? > > You betcha. I've read that book front to back several times > now. It's a great reference. They also mention some example IPF > scripts on their companion website that should be just about > exactly what I'm looking for, but the website seems to no longer > be current (I could find examples dealing with two NIC cards, but > not with three, but I'll continue searching, it was getting very > late when I was out there looking the other night). > > > Gabe > > Jeff > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Don't forget to enable port forwarding: net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf Also, since OpenBSD picks interface names by the card type can you reorder by card type? or do all the 3coms show up the same (I've only messed with m68k stuff)? I was pondering getting the Building Firewalls... book but I was short on cash. I've used the FAQ on the OpenBSD site quite a bit. There is also an ipf howto as well. http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ It's mostly ipf stuff, but it might help. From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Nov 15 11:10:03 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: <00111509290100.00196@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > My Mozilla does not behave in the same way as you are describing - I just > downloaded a tar.gz to make sure. Not to become alarmed, but something tells me > that in a previous life, you killed something important . > > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > Hmm, I must've helped kill it. I get the same thing. I just assume it's a tar file by the time it gets to me now, so if they ever fix it, it'll confuse me. Wishing the penalties-for-pissing-off-each-God database would be open-sourced, Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 11:26:09 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: <00111509290100.00196@Billbob_linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 09:17:46AM -0600 References: <00111509290100.00196@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <20001115112609.D7781@yahoo.com> On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 09:17:46AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > Wow, > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Nonono... it's downloading the file fine, not opening it as text, but it's > > gunzipping it on the way. Shiftclick and SaveAs don't help ): > > Ok, here is the Mozilla build that I am using. I think this is one of the > nightly builds, but the crack is clouding my mind right ATM. > > [Mozilla] > Mozilla M18 > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001109 > > My Mozilla does not behave in the same way as you are describing - I just > downloaded a tar.gz to make sure. Not to become alarmed, but something tells me > that in a previous life, you killed something important . > > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org I used to have that problem but now I am running the same build Bill is using. It seems they have fixed it (at least in some cases). Try a nightly. Tim From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 15 11:04:58 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111511103507.00196@Billbob_linux> Hi Shawn, > > In my simple maneuvering of trying to get my zip to be recognized, I > > whacked my /etc/fstab file.... Plenty of ways to fix this... for one, if you haven't rebooted, just type 'mount' which will show you which partitions are currently mounted, and where. You can then rewrite the fstab based on that info, and the sample fstab below (given for form & syntax). Just plug in your partition names. /dev/hda2 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda4 /usr ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1 /mnt/fat32-c vfat defaults 1 0 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro,user 0 0 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrw iso9660 noauto,ro,user 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 noauto,user 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 If you want to see a list of available partitions, you can 'cat /proc/partitions' to see what's there. Not sure about other distros, but with slackware, you can just pull the default fstab out of the A package, and edit that. You do NOT need to reinstall. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 15 11:12:31 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111511212808.00196@Billbob_linux> Hee hee, > Hmm, I must've helped kill it. I get the same thing. I just assume it's > a tar file by the time it gets to me now, so if they ever fix it, it'll > confuse me. Pretty interesting bug actually. Related to server-side configuration (see previous post in thread), as I regularly d/l tar.gz with Mozilla, and haven't seen it yet. > Wishing the penalties-for-pissing-off-each-God database would be > open-sourced, "This is because I kicked you, isn't it? (tortise nods)" For the Simpson's fans out there... -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Nov 15 11:23:50 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder References: <3A12AA8C.4F15C5B1@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <3A12C6A6.82D4FCAC@fruitioninc.com> Oops..I meant the 16th! Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi - > > Just a reminder that there will be an informal meeting tomorrow, > Thursday, November 18th from 5:30 pm - 8 pm at the Town Hall Brewery. > Minors are welcome until 9pm. > > Details: > > Town Hall Brewery > 1430 Washington Ave S > at: Cedar Ave > Minneapolis > Phone: Phone > (612) 339-8696 > > here's the map: > > http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapolis&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696&a > I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. > > Hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-announce-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-announce-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 15 11:26:00 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Activing new mailing list Message-ID: <20001115112600.F2717@real-time.com> I am going to activate the new mailing list. I delayed this last step until today, so I am here and awake if there are any problems. A few of you might get some duplicates as both lists will be active for several minutes. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Nov 15 11:30:15 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... References: <3A12C198.8E698F16@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A12C827.16502F3@ltiflex.com> If you haven't rebooted yet, don't! :) Type mount, note which devices are mounted where. less /proc/swaps Note which device is your swap device. Here's an example fstab: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hda5 /var ext2 rw 0 2 /dev/hda6 /usr ext2 rw 0 2 /dev/hda7 /home ext2 rw 0 2 If you've allready rebooted, find aa rescue disk and mount each partition to fogure out what is mounter where. Good luck, create backup before editing, and learn vi (or some other editor) instead of echo. ;) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Nov 15 11:30:54 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23815] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder In-Reply-To: <3A12C6A6.82D4FCAC@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: Hmm, I thought 2004 was planning ahead a little too far... ;) Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Oops..I meant the 16th! > > Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > Hi - > > > > Just a reminder that there will be an informal meeting tomorrow, > > Thursday, November 18th from 5:30 pm - 8 pm at the Town Hall Brewery. > > Minors are welcome until 9pm. > > > > Details: > > > > Town Hall Brewery > > 1430 Washington Ave S > > at: Cedar Ave > > Minneapolis > > Phone: Phone > > (612) 339-8696 > > > > here's the map: > > > > http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapolis&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696&a > > I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > > Jacque > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-announce-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-announce-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Nov 15 11:29:50 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suspend to Disk References: <00111511212808.00196@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <3A12C80E.7010504@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Has anyone had luck with suspending a linux machine to disk? I've got a laptop here that will suspend but some things act flaky when a resume. The xset screen blanker gets enable with a timout of zero or some such so that my display blinks on and off as I move the mouse. I've also noticed that in same-gnome the marbles don't rotate smoothly. X and Top take longer to start but seem to behave normally otherwise. The system beeps from PCMCIA and bash are also elongated. This is RH7 but I saw the same thing in RH6.2 with various kernel versions and kernel options. I've tried running with the minimal userland services but not luck. Any ideas out there? Charlie From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 11:34:12 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23781] OpenBSD won't install. In-Reply-To: <20001115112316.C7781@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:23:16AM -0600 References: <20001115094930.F64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001115112316.C7781@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001115113412.K64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Also, since OpenBSD picks interface names by the card type can you reorder > by card type? or do all the 3coms show up the same (I've only messed with > m68k stuff)? > When you have multiple cards of the same type, OBSD will then resort to a naming scheme like Linux does. Since he has 3 3Com's, each interface name will began with "xe" and that xe will be followed by a number, which is based on each cards slot number. So, his PCI NIC becomes xe0 and his ISA NICs become xe1 and xe2. At least I think this is how it works. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 15 11:35:33 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23819] Suspend to Disk In-Reply-To: <3A12C80E.7010504@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>; from cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 12:29:50PM -0500 References: <00111511212808.00196@Billbob_linux> <3A12C80E.7010504@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <20001115113532.D22584@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 12:29:50PM -0500, Charles Fulton wrote: > Has anyone had luck with suspending a linux machine to disk? Yep! > I've got a laptop here that will suspend but some things act flaky when > a resume. On my laptop, the video card seems to freak out if I suspend in X. I just work around it by hitting Ctrl-Alt-F9 to get a text display (I have log messages going to tty9) before closing the cover. Not 100% working and arguably not that elegant, but it avoids having to reboot all the time... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Nov 15 11:46:02 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23819] Suspend to Disk References: <00111511212808.00196@Billbob_linux> <3A12C80E.7010504@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <20001115113532.D22584@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A12CBDA.4020101@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> It doesn't seem to matter where I suspend from. From X or from a console or even from the text login prompt, at all has the same effect. Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 12:29:50PM -0500, Charles Fulton wrote: > >> Has anyone had luck with suspending a linux machine to disk? > > > Yep! > >> I've got a laptop here that will suspend but some things act flaky when >> a resume. > > > On my laptop, the video card seems to freak out if I suspend in X. I just > work around it by hitting Ctrl-Alt-F9 to get a text display (I have log > messages going to tty9) before closing the cover. > > Not 100% working and arguably not that elegant, but it avoids having to > reboot all the time... > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 13:11:52 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Message-ID: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> Why the hell can't PalmOS get installed/upgraded from Linux? Is it really that hard to make a ROM flasher program for our favorite OS? And why the heck do I have to download a Windows program to be able to download the PalmOS 3.5 I just payed for? Why can't they just give netscape a cookie and tell me where to go to download... Strangely, they note that I'm not running Windows or MacOS, so I can't(!) use their Java downloader. Then they tell me to get the standalone executable downloader utility.. blargfoo!! -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Program too small for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From fjorn at mninter.net Wed Nov 15 14:26:21 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A12F16D.42697424@mninter.net> Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Why the hell can't PalmOS get installed/upgraded from Linux? Is it > really that hard to make a ROM flasher program for our favorite OS? And > why the heck do I have to download a Windows program to be able to > download the PalmOS 3.5 I just payed for? Why can't they just give > netscape a cookie and tell me where to go to download... > > Strangely, they note that I'm not running Windows or MacOS, so I > can't(!) use their Java downloader. Then they tell me to get the > standalone executable downloader utility.. blargfoo!! > Umm, look at this month's Linux Magazine. They talk about how things have improved so much for the Palm-Linux connections. At least I think it's the Linux Magazine. From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 15:00:53 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In-Reply-To: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 01:11:52PM -0600 References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001115150053.E8077@yahoo.com> Don't ya hate it when people write Java that only works on select platforms? What's the point of using java? sorry, had to get my rant in there. On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Why the hell can't PalmOS get installed/upgraded from Linux? Is it > really that hard to make a ROM flasher program for our favorite OS? And > why the heck do I have to download a Windows program to be able to > download the PalmOS 3.5 I just payed for? Why can't they just give > netscape a cookie and tell me where to go to download... > > Strangely, they note that I'm not running Windows or MacOS, so I > can't(!) use their Java downloader. Then they tell me to get the > standalone executable downloader utility.. blargfoo!! > > > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Program too small for > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 14:47:43 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH In-Reply-To: <001115143603.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600 References: <001115143603.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001115144743.P64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You may as well compile 2.3.0p1. I just compiled it one a default RH6.2 install (well, I had to install OpenSSL first, of course) and it compiled just fine. Beside, OpenSSH just announced a bug in versions < 2.3.0 that allows people to arbitrarily open X authentication through you, or some such evil thing. The notice came out a couple days ago. Sadly, I've deleted it, but I'm sure it's on their page somewhere. Gabe On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Hi > > Thanks for the reply. I'm installing 2.2.0p1. I've managed to install it on 2 > versions of Irix, but not without a few difficulties. Now this. I'm figuring I > must've run configure wrong since it really shouldn't be as difficult as it has > been, but I can't see how. I was hoping some of you guys would've seen this > before. Oh well... > > Thanks again > > Ed Hoeffner -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 15:23:41 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: TCPHPUG November Meeting Message-ID: <20001115212341.13964.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Reminder... > We have confirmed that our next meeting will be on Thursday November > 16th at 6:30 pm. The location will again be Dunn Brother's Coffee > Shop > in Downtown Minneapolis > > Dunn Brothers coffee shop > 201 3rd Ave S > Minneapolis, MN > > As of yet, we don't have an official topic. If you have a > suggestion, > please post it to the TCPHPUG mailing list. > > There are links to the mailing list and the map to Dunn Brothers on > the > TCPHPUG homepage: http://www.moewes.com/tcphp.php3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 15 14:39:23 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive thing Message-ID: Hey, anyone ever hear back form them, or is it just me? -Yaron -- From fjorn at mninter.net Wed Nov 15 14:24:57 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... References: <3A12C198.8E698F16@mninter.net> <3A12C827.16502F3@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A12F119.FCE2767B@mninter.net> > If you've allready rebooted, find aa rescue disk and mount each partition to > fogure out what is mounter where. Good luck, create backup before editing, > and learn vi (or some other editor) instead of echo. ;) > As soon as I whacked the fstab file, I didn't reboot. In working with Unix at work (though really just a beginner) and from the limited knowledge of Linux, I knew that it wouldn't take effect until I rebooted. Thanks to those who helped, I managed to rebuild the fstab file. Looked at about 3 different printouts, and figured out the rest. The only thing now is that I lost my cdrom desktop link in gnome, and it won't come back now. Though, I do have my zip working, with a shortcut link to boot! Typically, I do use vi everyday at work. Don't know why, but I did vi in and look at the fstab file first. But as I said, being a good newbie, I was following directions when it said to echo that line into fstab. Learned a few things on this one.... Thanks, Shawn From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Nov 15 15:01:40 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> <20001115150053.E8077@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A12F9B4.9DB541BE@mn.uswest.net> Tim Sandquist wrote: > > Don't ya hate it when people write Java that only works on select platforms? > What's the point of using java? > > sorry, had to get my rant in there. > Because I can write better Linux-specific Java in a shorter period of time that I can write poorer quality Linux-specific C/C++? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 15 15:10:55 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux PalmOS upgrade util (was:rant) In-Reply-To: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <0011151536400D.00196@Billbob_linux> Well, > Why the hell can't PalmOS get installed/upgraded from Linux? That doesn't make much real sense to me.. the connection to the PalmOS device is a simple serial interface. Any task that Win32 can perform with a serial interface, can also be done in Linux (only better :). Since the OS upgrade is just a serial transfer, I image that the Linux pilot-link suite should be fully capable of this, with only a little hacking. Heck, you might be able to do it with minicom... The question in my mind is, what is the 'magic bullet' that turns a run-of-the-mill app install or data fetch into a flash-OS programming operation? If this is not already documented, it should be possible to log the entire transaction between the PC and the PalmOS device performing an OS upgrade (Win32 SoftICE?), and then begin reverse-engineering the procedure from that data. I doubt there is any form of encryption used. Or maybe I'm oversimplifying it.. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Nov 15 15:52:35 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> <20001115150053.E8077@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A1305A3.766C504E@ltiflex.com> Tim Sandquist wrote: > > Don't ya hate it when people write Java that only works on select platforms? > What's the point of using java? > Look! We use Java! We're buzzword complient! We're not exactly Java complient...but we're buzzword complient! -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 15 16:08:41 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive thing In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:39:23PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001115160841.B23033@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:39:23PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > anyone ever hear back form them, or is it just me? I haven't. Guess it fell through. Either that or they just don't like us... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Nov 15 16:36:52 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH In-Reply-To: <20001115144743.P64642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000001c04f54$8ce2e0e0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Yes, their was a OPENSSH vunerability reported a few days ago. This is taken from the BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM mailing list: *snip* Hostile servers can force OpenSSH clients to do agent or X11 forwarding 1. Systems affected: All versions of OpenSSH prior to 2.3.0 are affected. 2. Description: If agent or X11 forwarding is disabled in the ssh client configuration, the client does not request these features during session setup. This is the correct behaviour. However, when the ssh client receives an actual request asking for access to the ssh-agent, the client fails to check whether this feature has been negotiated during session setup. The client does not check whether the request is in compliance with the client configuration and grants access to the ssh-agent. A similar problem exists in the X11 forwarding implementation. 3. Impact: Hostile servers can access your X11 display or your ssh-agent. 4. Short Term Solution: Clear both the $DISPLAY and the $SSH_AUTH_SOCK variable before connecting to untrusted hosts: % unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK; unset DISPLAY; ssh host 5. Solution: Upgrade to OpenSSH-2.3.0 or apply the attached patch. OpenSSH-2.3.0 is available from www.openssh.com. 6. Credits: Thanks to Jacob Langseth for pointing out the X11 forwarding issue. *snip* > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com]On Behalf Of > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:48 PM > To: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > You may as well compile 2.3.0p1. I just compiled it one a default RH6.2 > install (well, I had to install OpenSSL first, of course) and it compiled > just fine. Beside, OpenSSH just announced a bug in versions < 2.3.0 that > allows people to arbitrarily open X authentication through you, or some > such evil thing. The notice came out a couple days ago. Sadly, I've > deleted it, but I'm sure it's on their page somewhere. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600, > HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > Hi > > > > Thanks for the reply. I'm installing 2.2.0p1. I've managed to > install it on 2 > > versions of Irix, but not without a few difficulties. Now this. > I'm figuring I > > must've run configure wrong since it really shouldn't be as > difficult as it has > > been, but I can't see how. I was hoping some of you guys > would've seen this > > before. Oh well... > > > > Thanks again > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more > derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more > repugnant to reason, > and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." > - Thomas Paine > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 15 17:04:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: Speaking of OpenSSH, does anyone know how to make it do DES for a cipher? Right now, it will use only 3DES and Blowfish. I was going to recompile it and try to enable DES as a cipher, but I don't see where I can do that. I know I should use 3des, but I have a piece of network equipment that will only let me ssh in using DES. I don't want to have to use my windows box anymore to ssh in with SecureCRT. Also, I noticed the commercial version of ssh for unix will not use DES either. I should be able to do: ssh -c des host.whatever.com Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:48 PM > To: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > You may as well compile 2.3.0p1. I just compiled it one a > default RH6.2 > install (well, I had to install OpenSSL first, of course) and > it compiled > just fine. Beside, OpenSSH just announced a bug in versions > < 2.3.0 that > allows people to arbitrarily open X authentication through > you, or some > such evil thing. The notice came out a couple days ago. Sadly, I've > deleted it, but I'm sure it's on their page somewhere. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600, > HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > Hi > > > > Thanks for the reply. I'm installing 2.2.0p1. I've managed > to install it on 2 > > versions of Irix, but not without a few difficulties. Now > this. I'm figuring I > > must've run configure wrong since it really shouldn't be as > difficult as it has > > been, but I can't see how. I was hoping some of you guys > would've seen this > > before. Oh well... > > > > Thanks again > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, > there is no more > derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more > repugnant to reason, > and more contradictory to itself than this thing called > Christianity." > - > Thomas Paine > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 15 17:04:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: Speaking of OpenSSH, does anyone know how to make it do DES for a cipher? Right now, it will use only 3DES and Blowfish. I was going to recompile it and try to enable DES as a cipher, but I don't see where I can do that. I know I should use 3des, but I have a piece of network equipment that will only let me ssh in using DES. I don't want to have to use my windows box anymore to ssh in with SecureCRT. Also, I noticed the commercial version of ssh for unix will not use DES either. I should be able to do: ssh -c des host.whatever.com Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:48 PM > To: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > You may as well compile 2.3.0p1. I just compiled it one a > default RH6.2 > install (well, I had to install OpenSSL first, of course) and > it compiled > just fine. Beside, OpenSSH just announced a bug in versions > < 2.3.0 that > allows people to arbitrarily open X authentication through > you, or some > such evil thing. The notice came out a couple days ago. Sadly, I've > deleted it, but I'm sure it's on their page somewhere. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600, > HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > Hi > > > > Thanks for the reply. I'm installing 2.2.0p1. I've managed > to install it on 2 > > versions of Irix, but not without a few difficulties. Now > this. I'm figuring I > > must've run configure wrong since it really shouldn't be as > difficult as it has > > been, but I can't see how. I was hoping some of you guys > would've seen this > > before. Oh well... > > > > Thanks again > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, > there is no more > derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more > repugnant to reason, > and more contradictory to itself than this thing called > Christianity." > - > Thomas Paine > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 18:55:03 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: <001115185503.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Thanks to Gabe Turner and Jon Erickson for passing along the info on OpenSSH. It slid in like a charm. I did the cut and paste thing for the configure statement and the rest of the compilation went without an issue. In order to make up for this ease of installation, it is not allowing any logins. It just says "Permission denied, please try again". Doesn't matter if it's a mortal or not, the same response is returned. All users can login to the machine, so it doesn't seem like it's an issue there. Any ideas? Thanks again Ed Hoeffner From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 19:03:10 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH In-Reply-To: <001115185503.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 06:55:03PM -0600 References: <001115185503.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001115190310.B66352@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Did you start the ssh daemon (will prolly be in /usr/local/sbin/sshd)? Gabe On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 06:55:03PM -0600, HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Hi > > Thanks to Gabe Turner and Jon Erickson for passing along the info on OpenSSH. > It slid in like a charm. I did the cut and paste thing for the configure > statement and the rest of the compilation went without an issue. In order to > make up for this ease of installation, it is not allowing any logins. It just > says "Permission denied, please try again". Doesn't matter if it's a mortal or > not, the same response is returned. All users can login to the machine, so it > doesn't seem like it's an issue there. Any ideas? > > Thanks again > > Ed Hoeffner > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 18:57:14 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux PalmOS upgrade util (was:rant) References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> <0011151536400D.00196@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <3A1330EA.939C7717@tc.umn.edu> Bill Layer wrote: > > Well, > > > Why the hell can't PalmOS get installed/upgraded from Linux? > > That doesn't make much real sense to me.. the connection to the PalmOS device > is a simple serial interface. Any task that Win32 can perform with a > serial interface, can also be done in Linux (only better :). Since the OS > upgrade is just a serial transfer, I image that the Linux pilot-link suite > should be fully capable of this, with only a little hacking. Heck, you might be > able to do it with minicom... > > The question in my mind is, what is the 'magic bullet' that turns a > run-of-the-mill app install or data fetch into a flash-OS programming > operation? If this is not already documented, it should be possible to log the > entire transaction between the PC and the PalmOS device performing an OS > upgrade (Win32 SoftICE?), and then begin reverse-engineering the procedure from > that data. I doubt there is any form of encryption used. > > Or maybe I'm oversimplifying it.. As far as I can tell, you're basically correct. The basic process is this: the Palm reboots in `debug' mode, the desktop and Palm do some negotiation over the serial cable and begin transferring the ROM. Once the transfer is done, the Palm resets again and (hopefully) starts up.. One problem is that Palm distributes their OS updates (at least 3.3, dunno about 3.5 (yet)) in executables rather than in zip files. The other is that I doubt many people have access to information about how the debug mode works (at least, not many people who are not under NDA or something). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Shin: a device for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ finding furniture in the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) dark. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 15 19:13:45 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive thing References: <20001115160841.B23033@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A1334C9.B23272E7@fandre.com> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:39:23PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > > anyone ever hear back form them, or is it just me? > > I haven't. Guess it fell through. Either that or they just don't like us... I sent in the list of names and haven't heard back. Guess Dave's right. Bet they just don't like us. I will send him an email and try to find out what's going on. Clay From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 19:28:43 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: <001115192843.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Gabe Yup. ps -ef shows it's actually running, and restarting it didn't help. About the only thing I didn't try was a reboot, but I can't imagine what difference that would make -- afterall, it ain't winders! Thanks Ed From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Nov 15 19:18:57 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipx disappears from /proc/net/ipx_interface Message-ID: I have ipx compiled as a module that is loading fine on my mandrake 7.0 (stock) 2.2.17 kernel. I have ipx configured with auto_interface and primary off and manually do /sbin/ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.3 It seems to work. I got the 802.3 settings from my macs in public labs here on the network. It all works fine, but often I notice ipx isn't working. When I cat /proc/net/ipx_interface there are no listings. If I manually add it, ipx works again, but unfortatenly my netware (nwclient-4.2) stuff can't be restarted after an ipx failure and I have to reboot. Any ideas why ipx just disappears and why I have to re setup it up? There are no ipx related log messages -- no collisions or anything. Thanks, Ben From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 19:42:20 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) References: Message-ID: <3A133B7C.D1E60027@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > Haha! I got TVOUT working with my Matroc G400. Didn't really take very > long either! All you have to do is (A) Get Matrox to mail you the TVOUT > cable for the secondary head (free BTW). Then you setup a second monitor > with a refresh rate of 60Hz and put > > Option "Tv" > > in the Device section. I was looking at the docs earlier, and it seemed to say that you have to run that head at 640x480 to get tv out working -- is that true? Or do you just need it going at 60 Hz? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Fad: In one era and out / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the other \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 15 22:38:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [rte@real-time.com: Sendmail Relaying Denied] Message-ID: <20001115223818.Y19367@real-time.com> I hate ORBS! ----- Forwarded message from Real Time Log Watcher ----- > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:35:59 -0600 > From: Real Time Log Watcher > To: sunnet-manager@real-time.com > Subject: Sendmail Relaying Denied > > Nov 15 22:35:59 enchanter sendmail[27385]: eAG4ZxV27385: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=relaytest.orbs.vuurwerk.nl [194.178.232.55], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Nov 16 00:58:20 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... References: <3A12C198.8E698F16@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A13858C.CF3B52D1@tcfreenet.org> > # echo '/dev/zip /mnt/zip vfat noauto,user 0 0' \>>/etc/fstab > > When I did a more on it to see if the changes took place, I noticed that > it whacked the original lines in there for the other devices. And I bet I know why. Why is there a slash before >> ? The slash would have escaped the first > from the shell, sending it on the command line to echo. The shell then sees just one >, which means wipe out the contents of the file with whats being piped. Two >> means to append to the end... From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 16 11:38:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... Message-ID: The line most likely should have read: echo '/dev/zip /mnt/zip vfat noauto,user 0 0' \ >>/etc/fstab In this case, the "\" is a line continuation character. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... > > > > # echo '/dev/zip /mnt/zip vfat noauto,user 0 0' \>>/etc/fstab > > > > When I did a more on it to see if the changes took place, I > noticed that > > it whacked the original lines in there for the other devices. > > And I bet I know why. Why is there a slash before >> ? The slash would > have escaped the first > from the shell, sending it on the > command line > to echo. The shell then sees just one >, which means wipe out the > contents of the file with whats being piped. Two >> means to append to > the end... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 15 19:46:29 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23795] Mozilla gunzipping References: Message-ID: <3A133C75.EBD75090@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > Hey... > > Anyone know how to get Mozilla to STOP GUNZIPPING all the .gz files I DL > with it? It is ANNOYING THE HELL out of me... if it'd at least strip the > .gz extention. Took me a while to figure it out, I thought it was breaking > the files en-route! Netscape is a bit weird about that too.. I try to download with wget whenever possible (just right-click on a link, go to `Copy Location', then open an xterm and type `wget ' and then middle-click to paste the location). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How many of you believe / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ in telekinesis? Raise \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) my hand! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Nov 15 21:31:17 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH References: <001115192843.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A135505.9EF97FFC@neicoltech.org> HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Gabe > > Yup. ps -ef shows it's actually running, and restarting it didn't help. About > the only thing I didn't try was a reboot, but I can't imagine what difference > that would make -- afterall, it ain't winders! When you try to connect to the ssh server from the ssh client, does it prompt you for a password or does it just give you the "Permission Denied" message. If you're trying to use password authentication, check the /etc/ssh_config (client) and the /etc/sshd_config (server) and make sure that password authentication is set to "yes". If you change the sshd_config file, you'll have to kill -HUP the sshd process before any changes will take place. Anybody else have some suggestions for him. Jon From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Nov 16 01:00:14 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23757] TVOUT success (really!) In-Reply-To: <3A133B7C.D1E60027@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > I was looking at the docs earlier, and it seemed to say that you have to > run that head at 640x480 to get tv out working -- is that true? Or do > you just need it going at 60 Hz? Oh, yeah, I didn't mention, it needs to be 640x480. In fact I've tried forcing it to do more and it still does 640x480.... -Yaron -- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 16 12:52:51 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [rte@real-time.com: Sendmail Relaying Denied] In-Reply-To: <20001115223818.Y19367@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:38:18PM -0600 References: <20001115223818.Y19367@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001116125251.A67844@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hehe... Get used to it... I get a ton of these daily. When you've 3 class-C's of live hosts, they _all_ get probed by ORBS... Gabe On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:38:18PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I hate ORBS! > > ----- Forwarded message from Real Time Log Watcher ----- > > > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:35:59 -0600 > > From: Real Time Log Watcher > > To: sunnet-manager@real-time.com > > Subject: Sendmail Relaying Denied > > > > Nov 15 22:35:59 enchanter sendmail[27385]: eAG4ZxV27385: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=relaytest.orbs.vuurwerk.nl [194.178.232.55], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "What's the big sleep, Ren?" "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Nov 16 07:43:05 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH - des -not 3des In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's an option now as "-c des." This was added in 2.3.0 for compatability with Cisco IOS' ssh feature as it only uses des encryption. Peter Lukas On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Speaking of OpenSSH, does anyone know how to make it do DES for a cipher? > Right now, it will use only 3DES and Blowfish. I was going to recompile it > and try to enable DES as a cipher, but I don't see where I can do that. > > I know I should use 3des, but I have a piece of network equipment that will > only let me ssh in using DES. I don't want to have to use my windows box > anymore to ssh in with SecureCRT. Also, I noticed the commercial version of > ssh for unix will not use DES either. > > I should be able to do: > ssh -c des host.whatever.com > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:48 PM > > To: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Cc: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > > > > You may as well compile 2.3.0p1. I just compiled it one a > > default RH6.2 > > install (well, I had to install OpenSSL first, of course) and > > it compiled > > just fine. Beside, OpenSSH just announced a bug in versions > > < 2.3.0 that > > allows people to arbitrarily open X authentication through > > you, or some > > such evil thing. The notice came out a couple days ago. Sadly, I've > > deleted it, but I'm sure it's on their page somewhere. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600, > > HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. I'm installing 2.2.0p1. I've managed > > to install it on 2 > > > versions of Irix, but not without a few difficulties. Now > > this. I'm figuring I > > > must've run configure wrong since it really shouldn't be as > > difficult as it has > > > been, but I can't see how. I was hoping some of you guys > > would've seen this > > > before. Oh well... > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > > Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > > of Minnesohta > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, > > there is no more > > derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more > > repugnant to reason, > > and more contradictory to itself than this thing called > > Christianity." > > - > > Thomas Paine > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Nov 16 07:43:05 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH - des -not 3des In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's an option now as "-c des." This was added in 2.3.0 for compatability with Cisco IOS' ssh feature as it only uses des encryption. Peter Lukas On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Speaking of OpenSSH, does anyone know how to make it do DES for a cipher? > Right now, it will use only 3DES and Blowfish. I was going to recompile it > and try to enable DES as a cipher, but I don't see where I can do that. > > I know I should use 3des, but I have a piece of network equipment that will > only let me ssh in using DES. I don't want to have to use my windows box > anymore to ssh in with SecureCRT. Also, I noticed the commercial version of > ssh for unix will not use DES either. > > I should be able to do: > ssh -c des host.whatever.com > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:48 PM > > To: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Cc: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > > > > You may as well compile 2.3.0p1. I just compiled it one a > > default RH6.2 > > install (well, I had to install OpenSSL first, of course) and > > it compiled > > just fine. Beside, OpenSSH just announced a bug in versions > > < 2.3.0 that > > allows people to arbitrarily open X authentication through > > you, or some > > such evil thing. The notice came out a couple days ago. Sadly, I've > > deleted it, but I'm sure it's on their page somewhere. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:36:03PM -0600, > > HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. I'm installing 2.2.0p1. I've managed > > to install it on 2 > > > versions of Irix, but not without a few difficulties. Now > > this. I'm figuring I > > > must've run configure wrong since it really shouldn't be as > > difficult as it has > > > been, but I can't see how. I was hoping some of you guys > > would've seen this > > > before. Oh well... > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > > Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > > of Minnesohta > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, > > there is no more > > derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more > > repugnant to reason, > > and more contradictory to itself than this thing called > > Christianity." > > - > > Thomas Paine > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Nov 16 14:32:26 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: <001116143226.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Jon Thanks. I received another reply from David Abraham which was your basic rtfm as I had missed the part about pam setup. I fixed that piece, so the demon wouldn't start at all. To answer the question, it would prompt for the password and then fail, as if the password given was incorrect. Now, I might not be able to type the user/pass combination correctly in 10 tries... The only complaint it gave was that RSA generation would fail. This turned out to be because the dir /etc/ssh didn't exist. Once that was created, all things, at least presently, are working! Thanks for the hint that solved the problem. Ed Hoeffner HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > Gabe > > Yup. ps -ef shows it's actually running, and restarting it didn't help. About > the only thing I didn't try was a reboot, but I can't imagine what difference > that would make -- afterall, it ain't winders! When you try to connect to the ssh server from the ssh client, does it prompt you for a password or does it just give you the "Permission Denied" message. If you're trying to use password authentication, check the /etc/ssh_config (client) and the /etc/sshd_config (server) and make sure that password authentication is set to "yes". If you change the sshd_config file, you'll have to kill -HUP the sshd process before any changes will take place. Anybody else have some suggestions for him. Jon From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Nov 16 09:04:56 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux PalmOS upgrade util (was:rant) References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> <0011151536400D.00196@Billbob_linux> <3A1330EA.939C7717@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A13F798.60CDC425@ltiflex.com> > One problem is that Palm distributes their OS updates (at least 3.3, > dunno about 3.5 (yet)) in executables rather than in zip files. The > other is that I doubt many people have access to information about how > the debug mode works (at least, not many people who are not under NDA or > something). If they are a self-extracting Zip file the Linux zip/unzip can unzip them. You're outta luck if they're is some propitary installer format. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Thu Nov 16 09:10:13 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH In-Reply-To: <001115192843.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000201c04fdf$519b2fc0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> You may want to take a look at the /etc/ssh_config (client) and /etc/sshd_config (server) files. If you're trying to use password authentication, make sure you have a line in both the config files like this: PasswordAuthentication yes I posted something to this effect last night but I guess it didn't make it to the list. Anybody else have some suggestions? Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com]On Behalf Of > HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:29 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Cc: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > Gabe > > Yup. ps -ef shows it's actually running, and restarting it didn't > help. About > the only thing I didn't try was a reboot, but I can't imagine > what difference > that would make -- afterall, it ain't winders! > > Thanks > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 16 09:30:39 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Speaking of OpenSSH, does anyone know how to make it do DES for a cipher? > Right now, it will use only 3DES and Blowfish. I was going to recompile it > and try to enable DES as a cipher, but I don't see where I can do that. > > I know I should use 3des, but I have a piece of network equipment that will > only let me ssh in using DES. I don't want to have to use my windows box > anymore to ssh in with SecureCRT. Also, I noticed the commercial version of > ssh for unix will not use DES either. > > I should be able to do: > ssh -c des host.whatever.com > > Jay Cool, you actually got a network appliance that uses ssh instead of telnet? (Heck, even DES ssh is far better than telnet..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 16 15:09:21 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux PalmOS upgrade util (was:rant) In-Reply-To: <3A13F798.60CDC425@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > One problem is that Palm distributes their OS updates (at least 3.3, > > dunno about 3.5 (yet)) in executables rather than in zip files. The > > other is that I doubt many people have access to information about how > > the debug mode works (at least, not many people who are not under NDA or > > something). > > If they are a self-extracting Zip file the Linux zip/unzip can unzip them. > You're outta luck if they're is some propitary installer format. WINE? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thouck at thouck.com Thu Nov 16 10:20:02 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In-Reply-To: <20001115150053.E8077@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Because, silly, they want it to run like crap. :) On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Tim Sandquist wrote: > Don't ya hate it when people write Java that only works on select platforms? > What's the point of using java? > > sorry, had to get my rant in there. > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > > Why the hell can't PalmOS get installed/upgraded from Linux? Is it > > really that hard to make a ROM flasher program for our favorite OS? And > > why the heck do I have to download a Windows program to be able to > > download the PalmOS 3.5 I just payed for? Why can't they just give > > netscape a cookie and tell me where to go to download... > > > > Strangely, they note that I'm not running Windows or MacOS, so I > > can't(!) use their Java downloader. Then they tell me to get the > > standalone executable downloader utility.. blargfoo!! > > > > > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Program too small for > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 16 11:13:17 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipx disappears from /proc/net/ipx_interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111611184004.00275@Billbob_linux> Hi Ben, > /sbin/ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.3 Here are the lines from my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 that I use to set up my IPX interface: # OK, time to configure the IPX interface echo "Configuring eth0 as primary IPX interface..." echo "IPX Frame type 802.2 : IPX Network address 0x00000000" ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.2 0x00000000 The 0x00000000 parameter basically tells the IPX protocol to auto-discover the address of the local IPX network. I do know that the address is 0x00000202, so I could just as well plug that value in, but autodiscovery works in this instance, and I figured why mess with it. You seem to omit the parameter entirely, and I am not sure what effect that might have. - Bill Layer Sales Technician From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 16 11:35:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: Did you create a key? I thought the 'make install' would do that, but maybe it didn't. Information on how to do it is at http://www.openssh.com Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu [mailto:HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:29 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Cc: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH > > > Gabe > > Yup. ps -ef shows it's actually running, and restarting it > didn't help. About > the only thing I didn't try was a reboot, but I can't imagine > what difference > that would make -- afterall, it ain't winders! > > Thanks > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 16 11:38:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... Message-ID: The line most likely should have read: echo '/dev/zip /mnt/zip vfat noauto,user 0 0' \ >>/etc/fstab In this case, the "\" is a line continuation character. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23808] D'oh! wiped out file.... > > > > # echo '/dev/zip /mnt/zip vfat noauto,user 0 0' \>>/etc/fstab > > > > When I did a more on it to see if the changes took place, I > noticed that > > it whacked the original lines in there for the other devices. > > And I bet I know why. Why is there a slash before >> ? The slash would > have escaped the first > from the shell, sending it on the > command line > to echo. The shell then sees just one >, which means wipe out the > contents of the file with whats being piped. Two >> means to append to > the end... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 16 11:59:07 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla nightly build and DOM viewer? Message-ID: <20001116115907.R19367@real-time.com> Anyone been able to get Mozilla's nightly build to NOT core when you use the DOM viewer under Debug? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 16 12:07:25 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speeding up sendmail? Message-ID: <20001116120725.T19367@real-time.com> I want to speed up sendmail delivery. Doing a ps on the mailing list server I get alot of sendmail process in rcpt mode. sendmail: server localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] child wait sendmail: eAGI1Qx17095 localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]: rcpt TO: So, it looks like it's sitting waiting to do it's rcpt command. I set the confTO_RCPT to 2 mins, hoping that would speed things up, but it doesn't. Just wanted to verify that sendmail is sitting waiting for rcpt and that changing confTO_RCPT show speed things up. Any other recommendations on how to make sendmail a little faster on delivery? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fjorn at mninter.net Thu Nov 16 16:11:40 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux PalmOS upgrade util (was:rant) References: Message-ID: <3A145B9C.7ACBCCBC@mninter.net> Just got my December 2000 issue of Linux magazine the other day, and they describe in detail how to use Palm on Linux. Page 66, article entitled "Giving your Palm the Bird" Haven't read it, as I'm still in the old paper and pen mode. Besides, haven't found a need to drop money for a Palm yet either. From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Nov 16 16:14:56 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speeding up sendmail? In-Reply-To: <20001116120725.T19367@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any other recommendations on how to make sendmail a little faster on delivery? Upgrade to qmail *dons asbestos suit* (: -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Nov 16 16:25:25 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23792] OPENSSH Message-ID: <001116162525.202db237@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Jay Turns out that was the problem, only with a twist. The key couldn't be generated because the dir it's kept in wasn't there (/etc/ssh). For some reason, the install didn't do that. Once made by hand, all went just fine. I thought I posted a resolution message, but I guess not. Sorry about that. The ol' brain just ain't what it used to be! Thanks Ed From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 16 18:21:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speeding up sendmail? Message-ID: > Upgrade to qmail *dons asbestos suit* (: I agree. If you need speed, you need qmail. I can saturate a DS3 with outgoing mail using 2 qmail boxes. It does well on incoming mail also. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:15 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Speeding up sendmail? > > > Hi, > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Any other recommendations on how to make sendmail a little > faster on delivery? > > Upgrade to qmail *dons asbestos suit* (: > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rpl_DEL at flashcom.net Thu Nov 16 19:07:43 2000 From: rpl_DEL at flashcom.net (R P) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder References: <3A12AA8C.4F15C5B1@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <000701c05032$caa1eb90$1bf4bc40@bada> Hi - I stopped by the Town Hall Brewery. How is one to know whom is there for the get together? tks bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: "TCLUG Announcement list" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder > Hi - > > > Just a reminder that there will be an informal meeting tomorrow, > Thursday, November 18th from 5:30 pm - 8 pm at the Town Hall Brewery. > Minors are welcome until 9pm. > > Details: > > Town Hall Brewery > 1430 Washington Ave S > at: Cedar Ave > Minneapolis > Phone: Phone > (612) 339-8696 > > here's the map: > > http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.h tml&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapol is&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696& map_it.x=32&map_it.y=13 > > I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. > > > > Hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-announce-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-announce-help@mn-linux.org > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Nov 16 23:14:20 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't find video IRQ Message-ID: Hey, I just bought a new MBoard and CPU (Tyan K7 S2380/Athlon 750). I installed it in my machine, enabled IRQ for the display card in the BIOS and booted... but Linux doesn't see the IRQ! So X won't run because it's trying to use the agpgart and the new MGA drivers for X4.0.1... When booting the machine it DOES display the IRQ it has assigned the display card (7, btw), and cat /proc/interrupts shows nothing using IRQ7. Anyone? -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 17 03:21:48 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video IRQ found! Message-ID: Hi, Apparenlty Tyan USUALLY make cool motherboards, but the 2380 is a bit of a miss. The BIOS label it comes with is labeled v1.02, but you actually need to flash it up to 1.02... and then it sstops killing Matrox cards. Anyway, X is back, wooooooooo. -Yaron -- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 07:13:37 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New PC software: VersaCheck 2001 ! In-Reply-To: <200011170226.eAH2QuP26365@sprite.real-time.com>; from mailresponse2@g7ps.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 02:29:04AM +0000 References: <200011170226.eAH2QuP26365@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001117071337.A69729@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Note: > To Opt-In on future VersaCheck information, please click on the following link: > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_ae.asp?e=tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To Opt-Out on future VersaCheck information, please click on the following link: > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_de.asp?e=tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Heh, this part amuses me the most. I thought it was illegal (in many places) to send spam _before_ someone has already opted in. If you Opt-In, you'll get more spam. If you _don't_ Opt-Out, you'll get more spam... Bah! If you Opt-Out, they'll say, "Woo hoo! Valid email address ripe for the spamming!" and they'll sell it off and you'll get more spam. Spammers die now. Apparently, some evil spammer just ran an address harvesting script on our web site (www.smi.umn.edu), so I've been fighting off spam for the last couple of weeks. I'm _really_ getting sick of it. Oh, so much spam to out www and various user support aliases. Grrrrr.... Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ben at nerp.net Fri Nov 17 08:04:33 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New PC software: VersaCheck 2001 ! In-Reply-To: <20001117071337.A69729@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: more reason to hunt them down with pitchforks. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > Note: > > To Opt-In on future VersaCheck information, please click on the following link: > > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_ae.asp?e=tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > To Opt-Out on future VersaCheck information, please click on the following link: > > http://www.globalzon2k.com/scripts/mfm_de.asp?e=tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Heh, this part amuses me the most. I thought it was illegal (in many > places) to send spam _before_ someone has already opted in. If you > Opt-In, you'll get more spam. If you _don't_ Opt-Out, you'll get more > spam... Bah! If you Opt-Out, they'll say, "Woo hoo! Valid email address > ripe for the spamming!" and they'll sell it off and you'll get more spam. > Spammers die now. > > Apparently, some evil spammer just ran an address harvesting > script on our web site (www.smi.umn.edu), so I've been fighting off spam > for the last couple of weeks. I'm _really_ getting sick of it. Oh, so > much spam to out www and various user support aliases. Grrrrr.... > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 17 08:59:52 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PalmOS upgrade solved? In-Reply-To: <3A1330EA.939C7717@tc.umn.edu> References: <3A12DFF8.8942498B@tc.umn.edu> <0011151536400D.00196@Billbob_linux> <3A1330EA.939C7717@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00111709193700.00582@Billbob_linux> Ok, I am certain beyond any doubt that we can accomplish this. > One problem is that Palm distributes their OS updates (at least 3.3, > dunno about 3.5 (yet)) in executables rather than in zip files. I was just playing with the Palm upgrade installer in a hexeditor, looking at the structure of the file, when something dawned on me. We don't NEED to ferret the flashfile out at all... The PalmOS emulators all include a tool that will download the flash OS from a Palm device as a binary PALM.ROM file to be used in the emulator. All we need to do, is find a unit that has already been flashed by a windows or Mac user, and liberate the ROM with the emulator tools :) For that matter, once we have a copy of the ROM, we could diff it against the flash utility, and create a simple executable that extracts the ROM file from the util. This would eliminate any legal isses involved with distributing copyrighted ROM images... Step one accomplished? The > other is that I doubt many people have access to information about how > the debug mode works (at least, not many people who are not under NDA or > something). I have CodeWarrior for PalmOS (an older version...) and I am guessing that since it is a developer's tool, the debug mode is documented therein. PalmOS, unlike Win32, is considered to be an open API. It's been a while since I looked over the materials, but I remember thorough coverage. Stumbling block - my programming skills are out-of-date, and I make no bones about it. Is someone interested in pursuing a project to make the PalmOS devices ever more linux-friendly? I think this is a worthy effort... -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 17 09:20:28 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux PalmOS upgrade util (was:rant) In-Reply-To: <3A145B9C.7ACBCCBC@mninter.net> References: <3A145B9C.7ACBCCBC@mninter.net> Message-ID: <00111709284300.00662@Billbob_linux> Hi Shawn, On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Just got my December 2000 issue of Linux magazine the other day, and > they describe in detail how to use Palm on Linux. Using the Palm on linux is really no big secret anymore. With Jpilot running as an X frontend for the pilot-link suite, linux support for the Palm is quite good. For that matter, the USB synching HandSpring Visor also works well, using a serial emulation driver built in to the 2.4.0 kernel. I'm not sure if the handspring driver is contained in 2.2.17 or not. Once again, Jpilot and pilot-link work great, synching on device /dev/visor, rather than /dev/ttyS?. One quirk of using the Handsping, is that you must first press the hotsync button on the Visor's USB cradle, before invoking the hotsync operation from the PC side, else pilot-link will fail to detect the visor, and the sych operation will bomb. Palm & Linux is a match made in heaven, IMO :) Page 66, article > entitled "Giving your Palm the Bird" Haven't read it, as I'm still in > the old paper and pen mode. Besides, haven't found a need to drop money > for a Palm yet either. Would you mind reading the article, and look if you can find any comments on perforing an OS upgrade from Linux? I'd hate to waste time re-inventing the wheel, so to speak, if this has already been solved. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 09:35:49 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla nightly build and DOM viewer? In-Reply-To: <20001116115907.R19367@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:59:07AM -0600 References: <20001116115907.R19367@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001117093548.A3729@ham.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:59:07AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone been able to get Mozilla's nightly build to NOT core when you use the DOM > viewer under Debug? It doesn't dump core for me, but it doesn't do anything either. Looking through the source, it seems like the chrome file that is referenced doesn't exist. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From foeclan at winternet.com Fri Nov 17 09:37:33 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PalmOS upgrade solved? In-Reply-To: <00111709193700.00582@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: > I have CodeWarrior for PalmOS (an older version...) and I am guessing that since > it is a developer's tool, the debug mode is documented therein. PalmOS, unlike > Haven't looked into this yet, since I was temporarily sated by PocketC, but does Palm have an SDK one can acquire that has all this info? The debug mode on the Palm can be accessed by holding 'down' on the up-down directional dealy while you hit the Reset button. It's documented in the Windows version of the software update under the 'More info' section (and is, incidentally, the way to flash a working ROM into a former store demo version.) > Stumbling block - my programming skills are out-of-date, and I make no bones > about it. Is someone interested in pursuing a project to make the PalmOS > devices ever more linux-friendly? I think this is a worthy effort... > I might have some interest, in my copious spare time, but from the looks of it, things're already pretty well covered with pilot-link and jpilot. > Bill Layer Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 17 09:46:46 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT FS: KT7 RAID, 900MHz Athlon, 256MB RAM Message-ID: <002f01c050ad$982c7ab0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Hi all, I bought some parts that are not quite compatible with my video card of choice just yet, so the system runs pretty unstable for me. I'm sure this is just a compatability issue, and other people rave about these items. They are: - Abit KT7-RAID motherboard $150 OBO Very tweakable. Unfortunately, I'm apparently not gifted enough to tweak it correctly. - AMD 900MHz Athlon Thunderbird CPU $165 OBO Seems like a nice fast CPU. - (Qty. 2) Micron 128MB, PC133, CAS2 SDRAM, no parity $140 OBO for both All items are less than two months old and will be put back in their original containers, or left assembled as you wish. (That Athlon heat sink clip isn't so tough if you use a big screwdriver.) First offer of $450 takes all. I will consider all offers until some time next week... probably until after Thanksgiving. Chris Schumann From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 17 09:47:29 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PalmOS upgrade solved? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111709492900.00666@Billbob_linux> Hi Michael, > > Stumbling block - my programming skills are out-of-date, and I make no bones > > about it. Is someone interested in pursuing a project to make the PalmOS > > devices ever more linux-friendly? I think this is a worthy effort... > > > I might have some interest, in my copious spare time, but from the looks > of it, things're already pretty well covered with pilot-link and jpilot. Synch & data exchange are certainly well-covered, but it's the flash-OS upgrade process that is in question... I certainly wouldn't want to duplicate the work of Jpilot & pilot-link. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 17 10:03:27 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT FS: KT7 RAID, 900MHz Athlon, 256MB RAM In-Reply-To: <002f01c050ad$982c7ab0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > I bought some parts that are not quite compatible with > my video card of choice just yet, You suck! I just bought all that stuff last night!!! (: what card do yu have? It's not a Matrox, is it? (: > - (Qty. 2) Micron 128MB, PC133, CAS2 SDRAM, no parity $140 OBO for both Dude, GNS and Tranmicro are selling those for like $65. > First offer of $450 takes all. Again, you're a day late, this sucks (: I've 'teaked' this board till 4am, I don't feel like returning it now. -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 09:58:09 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PalmOS upgrade solved? References: <00111709492900.00666@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <3A155591.6B8C9634@tc.umn.edu> Bill Layer wrote: > > Synch & data exchange are certainly well-covered, but it's the flash-OS upgrade > process that is in question... I certainly wouldn't want to duplicate the work > of Jpilot & pilot-link. > I know I had seen this a long time ago, though I had thought it had disappeared (and it doesn't matter if you can't get the actual ROM image anyway, like when it's stuck inside a Windows binary) OS Flash: http://bodotill.suburbia.com.au/osflash/osflash.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't count your / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Electoral Votes before \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) they're cast. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Nov 17 10:37:54 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PalmOS upgrade solved? In-Reply-To: <3A155591.6B8C9634@tc.umn.edu> References: <00111709492900.00666@Billbob_linux> <3A155591.6B8C9634@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00111710414202.00666@Billbob_linux> Oh you're no fun, > I know I had seen this a long time ago, though I had thought it had > disappeared (and it doesn't matter if you can't get the actual ROM image > anyway, like when it's stuck inside a Windows binary) > > OS Flash: http://bodotill.suburbia.com.au/osflash/osflash.html Heh, I knew that this had to have been done already. Seemed too simple... Apparently, you answered your own question, Mike ;) -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Nov 17 10:44:47 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder References: <3A12AA8C.4F15C5B1@fruitioninc.com> <000701c05032$caa1eb90$1bf4bc40@bada> Message-ID: <3A15607E.CF8B26A9@fruitioninc.com> There was a group of maybe 8 of us. Around 7 there may have been about 5-6 of us. We were in the back by the couches and fireplace. ( I believe I mentioned this area in the first email ). Unfortunately, there were about 2 other groups meeting that night. In the future I will bring a little sign. Sorry about that... Jacque R P wrote: > Hi - > > I stopped by the Town Hall Brewery. > How is one to know whom is there for the get together? > > tks > bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Urick" > To: "TCLUG Announcement list" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:23 AM > Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder > > > Hi - > > > > > > Just a reminder that there will be an informal meeting tomorrow, > > Thursday, November 18th from 5:30 pm - 8 pm at the Town Hall Brewery. > > Minors are welcome until 9pm. > > > > Details: > > > > Town Hall Brewery > > 1430 Washington Ave S > > at: Cedar Ave > > Minneapolis > > Phone: Phone > > (612) 339-8696 > > > > here's the map: > > > > > http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.h > tml&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00006065&address=1430+Washington+Ave+S&city=Minneapol > is&state=&postal_code=55454&cross_street=Cedar+Ave&phone=%28612%29+339-8696& > map_it.x=32&map_it.y=13 > > > > I believe they vaildate parking for the lot shared with the holiday inn. > > > > > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > > Jacque > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-announce-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-announce-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bexley at daily.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 11:44:39 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get problems In-Reply-To: <973874717.22343.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3A151A25.31089.56615AD@localhost> Hi Has anyone else run into problems with postgresql when using apt- get to upgrade distibuntions on Debian? My debian box has been out of service for a while and I'd like to revive it. Since 2.2 is now out, it did an "apt-get dist-upgrade". It went along just find for a ling time, but then crapped out on postgresql with the message that the post-install script was failing. I tried to uninstall it by hand, so an then reinstall it, but I couldn't quite get it to go. I know that when you are installing it tells you to log on as postgres and run postgresql-dump. I tried to do this, but I had already deleted the old dat directory, so there was nothing to dump. I don't really plan to use this package, but apt-get seems to really want to install it. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks! Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Online Webmaster The Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 11:53:12 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail question Message-ID: <20001117175312.21070.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's one for all you qmail magicians... How do you clean out the queue and start over? Situation: I had qmail 1.03 installed on a redhat 6.2 box and messages kept queueing, to the point it filled up /var filesystem. qmail-qstat showed over 1700 messages queued I've read most of the qmail docs and been to the qmail FAQ and website and didn't find an answer. Here's what I tried: /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail stop # remove the messages find /var/qmail/queue/info -type f -exec rm -f {} \; find /var/qmail/queue/mess -type f -exec rm -f {} \; find /var/qmail/queue/local -type f -exec rm -f {} \; /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail-start This manually cleaned out the queue and qmail-qstat then showed 0 messages queued. But after a period of time (about a day), it filled up /var again and there were a large number of messages queued. I even tried a clean re-install of qmail and it did the same thing. qmail did work initially on this box, as I went through the tests listed in one of the qmail docs and they all worked ok. I'm running sendmail now because it works and I didn't have time to mess with qmail filling up /var daily. I do have qmail running flawlessly on other systems, but would like to know the answer to this question in the event it happens again. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. -scot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 17 12:00:51 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla nightly build and DOM viewer? In-Reply-To: <20001117093548.A3729@ham.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:35:49AM -0600 References: <20001116115907.R19367@real-time.com> <20001117093548.A3729@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001117120051.M4166@real-time.com> Quoting Jim Crumley (crumley@belka.space.umn.edu): > On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:59:07AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone been able to get Mozilla's nightly build to NOT core when you use the DOM > > viewer under Debug? > > It doesn't dump core for me, but it doesn't do anything either. > Looking through the source, it seems like the chrome file that > is referenced doesn't exist. > What nightly build are you using? I snaffed the 16-Nov build. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Nov 17 12:05:30 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get problems References: <3A151A25.31089.56615AD@localhost> Message-ID: <3A15736A.B3CC521C@ltiflex.com> If you're not planning on using postgresql and you don't have any data in it, the simplest thing to do would be to get rid of it. apt-get remove package. apt-get --purge remove package will completely purge the package (remove databases, config files, etc.) A standard remove usually leaves the configs and other info behind. If anything trying to remove the package will tell you what depends on it. Maybe you want to keep it around after all. The other option would be to go into dselect and put the package on hold (=) and try apt-get dselect-upgrade. apt will respect any holds, and most everything will move to the new version. You should still clean up those odd depends and do a full dist-upgrade. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Nov 17 12:10:10 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail question In-Reply-To: <20001117175312.21070.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com>; from blackcrow77@yahoo.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:53:12AM -0800 References: <20001117175312.21070.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001117121010.A26486@knicknack.net> You might also need to clean the remote part of the queue with find /var/qmail/queue/remote -type f -exec rm -f {} \; Do you know what is filling up the queue? I almost wonder if someone isn't using you as a relay. Eric On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:53:12AM -0800, ravenmaster wrote: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Here's one for all you qmail magicians... > > How do you clean out the queue and start over? > > Situation: > > I had qmail 1.03 installed on a redhat 6.2 box and messages kept > queueing, to the point it filled up /var filesystem. > > qmail-qstat showed over 1700 messages queued > > I've read most of the qmail docs and been to the qmail FAQ and website > and didn't find an answer. > > Here's what I tried: > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail stop > # remove the messages > find /var/qmail/queue/info -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > find /var/qmail/queue/mess -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > find /var/qmail/queue/local -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail-start > > This manually cleaned out the queue and qmail-qstat then showed 0 > messages queued. But after a period of time (about a day), it filled > up /var again and there were a large number of messages queued. I even > tried a clean re-install of qmail and it did the same thing. > > qmail did work initially on this box, as I went through the tests > listed in one of the qmail docs and they all worked ok. I'm running > sendmail now because it works and I didn't have time to mess with qmail > filling up /var daily. I do have qmail running flawlessly on other > systems, but would like to know the answer to this question in the > event it happens again. > > Any suggestions would be much appreciated. > -scot > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Nov 17 12:11:43 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get problems In-Reply-To: <3A151A25.31089.56615AD@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Benjamin Exley wrote: > Has anyone else run into problems with postgresql when using apt- > get to upgrade distibuntions on Debian? My debian box has been > out of service for a while and I'd like to revive it. Since 2.2 is now > out, it did an "apt-get dist-upgrade". It went along just find for a ling > time, but then crapped out on postgresql with the message that the > post-install script was failing. > > I tried to uninstall it by hand, so an then reinstall it, but I couldn't > quite get it to go. I know that when you are installing it tells you to > log on as postgres and run postgresql-dump. I tried to do this, but I > had already deleted the old dat directory, so there was nothing to > dump. > > I don't really plan to use this package, but apt-get seems to really > want to install it. Anyone have any ideas? Then remove the package... if you're not going to use postgresql, why bother having it? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Nov 17 12:11:43 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get problems In-Reply-To: <3A151A25.31089.56615AD@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Benjamin Exley wrote: > Has anyone else run into problems with postgresql when using apt- > get to upgrade distibuntions on Debian? My debian box has been > out of service for a while and I'd like to revive it. Since 2.2 is now > out, it did an "apt-get dist-upgrade". It went along just find for a ling > time, but then crapped out on postgresql with the message that the > post-install script was failing. > > I tried to uninstall it by hand, so an then reinstall it, but I couldn't > quite get it to go. I know that when you are installing it tells you to > log on as postgres and run postgresql-dump. I tried to do this, but I > had already deleted the old dat directory, so there was nothing to > dump. > > I don't really plan to use this package, but apt-get seems to really > want to install it. Anyone have any ideas? Then remove the package... if you're not going to use postgresql, why bother having it? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 12:21:48 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla nightly build and DOM viewer? In-Reply-To: <20001117120051.M4166@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 12:00:51PM -0600 References: <20001116115907.R19367@real-time.com> <20001117093548.A3729@ham.space.umn.edu> <20001117120051.M4166@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001117122147.B1755@ham.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 12:00:51PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jim Crumley (crumley@belka.space.umn.edu): > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 11:59:07AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Anyone been able to get Mozilla's nightly build to NOT core when you use the DOM > > > viewer under Debug? > > > > It doesn't dump core for me, but it doesn't do anything either. > > Looking through the source, it seems like the chrome file that > > is referenced doesn't exist. > > > > What nightly build are you using? > > I snaffed the 16-Nov build. 14-Nov under Solaris. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 17 12:32:49 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail question Message-ID: Why is your queue filling up so quickly? You are using tcpserver and have entries in /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts right? If not, spammers are probably relaying through you. I use qmail to send out our financial subscription lists to millions of people a day, and I only have 1130 messages sitting in my queue right now. These are almost all bounces. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:10 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] qmail question > > > You might also need to clean the remote part of the queue with > find /var/qmail/queue/remote -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > > Do you know what is filling up the queue? I almost wonder if someone > isn't using you as a relay. > > Eric > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:53:12AM -0800, ravenmaster wrote: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Here's one for all you qmail magicians... > > > > How do you clean out the queue and start over? > > > > Situation: > > > > I had qmail 1.03 installed on a redhat 6.2 box and messages kept > > queueing, to the point it filled up /var filesystem. > > > > qmail-qstat showed over 1700 messages queued > > > > I've read most of the qmail docs and been to the qmail FAQ > and website > > and didn't find an answer. > > > > Here's what I tried: > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail stop > > # remove the messages > > find /var/qmail/queue/info -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > > find /var/qmail/queue/mess -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > > find /var/qmail/queue/local -type f -exec rm -f {} \; > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail-start > > > > This manually cleaned out the queue and qmail-qstat then showed 0 > > messages queued. But after a period of time (about a day), > it filled > > up /var again and there were a large number of messages > queued. I even > > tried a clean re-install of qmail and it did the same thing. > > > > qmail did work initially on this box, as I went through the tests > > listed in one of the qmail docs and they all worked ok. I'm running > > sendmail now because it works and I didn't have time to > mess with qmail > > filling up /var daily. I do have qmail running flawlessly on other > > systems, but would like to know the answer to this question in the > > event it happens again. > > > > Any suggestions would be much appreciated. > > -scot > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 17 12:33:16 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT FS: KT7 RAID, 900MHz Athlon, 256MB RAM References: <200011171801.eAHI1QP04566@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <006301c050c4$da4f8330$1000a8c0@cschumann> > From: Yaron > You suck! I just bought all that stuff last night!!! (: > > what card do yu have? It's not a Matrox, is it? (: It's an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon. > > - (Qty. 2) Micron 128MB, PC133, CAS2 SDRAM, no parity $140 OBO for both > > Dude, GNS and Tranmicro are selling those for like $65. They are selling CAS3 parts for that price, and I don't know what the CAS2 goes for today. When I bought it a few weeks ago, they were $85 each... and as I wrote, "OBO." > > First offer of $450 takes all. > > Again, you're a day late, this sucks (: I've 'teaked' this board till 4am, > I don't feel like returning it now. Welcome to the club, Chris From lxy at homer.espressocom.com Fri Nov 17 12:14:19 2000 From: lxy at homer.espressocom.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder In-Reply-To: <3A15607E.CF8B26A9@fruitioninc.com> from "Jacqueline Urick" at Nov 17, 2000 10:44:47 AM Message-ID: <200011171814.MAA25671@homer.espressocom.com> > There was a group of maybe 8 of us. Around 7 there may have been about 5-6 of > us. We were in the back by the couches and fireplace. ( I believe I mentioned > this area in the first email ). > > Unfortunately, there were about 2 other groups meeting that night. In the future > I will bring a little sign. Is the Town Hall Brewery going to be the official Beer Meeting facility or is it going to move around? I personally thought it was a great place to have it, but what do I know. I didn't even finish my beer. -Brian From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 12:43:21 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT FS: KT7 RAID, 900MHz Athlon, 256MB RAM In-Reply-To: <006301c050c4$da4f8330$1000a8c0@cschumann>; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 12:33:16PM -0600 References: <200011171801.eAHI1QP04566@sprite.real-time.com> <006301c050c4$da4f8330$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <20001117124321.D69729@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > > > Dude, GNS and Tranmicro are selling those for like $65. > > They are selling CAS3 parts for that price, and I don't > know what the CAS2 goes for today. When I bought it a few weeks > ago, they were $85 each... and as I wrote, "OBO." > Not true. TranMicro is selling 128MB sticks of PC133 Micron SDRAM. It's CAS2. I just bought 2 sticks last week. At least my bios _says_ it's CAS2. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Nov 17 12:45:12 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:99] Beer Meeting Reminder References: <200011171814.MAA25671@homer.espressocom.com> Message-ID: <3A157CB8.DA51E034@fruitioninc.com> To be fair, we're going to move around the metro. But since its every 2 weeks I'm sure we'll be getting back there. I was really pleased with the place, too. I felt they were very accomodating. In addition, I'm still taking suggestions for places in the metro. Email me privately. Thanks, Jacque Brian wrote: > > There was a group of maybe 8 of us. Around 7 there may have been about 5-6 of > > us. We were in the back by the couches and fireplace. ( I believe I mentioned > > this area in the first email ). > > > > Unfortunately, there were about 2 other groups meeting that night. In the future > > I will bring a little sign. > > Is the Town Hall Brewery going to be the official Beer Meeting facility > or is it going to move around? I personally thought it was a great place > to have it, but what do I know. I didn't even finish my beer. > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Fri Nov 17 12:47:27 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail problem Message-ID: <200011171847.MAA02133@antares.cloudnet.com> Is anyone here a qmail pro? I set up qmail on my box using the Mail Admin HOWTO which gave me the quick and cheesy way to set up qmail. It worked great, except it wouldn't route mail from the TLD. hostname.domain.com I could send mail between users@host.domain.com, but users@domain.com wouldn't route. This machine wasn't on a network so I couldn't test outside mail routing. Then I did something really stupid. I went into /etc/sysconfig/network and changed my hostname.domain.com. After reconfiguring qmail, nothing works. I did the ./config-fast host.domain.com so it updated all the /var/qmail/control/ files and a cat /var/qmail/control/* all looks good. Any idea why it wouldn't route to the TLD and now it won't send at all? -Brian From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 17 13:15:06 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail problem Message-ID: Put: domain.com in these files: /var/qmail/control/defaultdomain /var/qmail/control/defaulthost /var/qmail/control/plusdomain Restart qmail and it should work. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@antares.cloudnet.com] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] qmail problem > > > Is anyone here a qmail pro? > > I set up qmail on my box using the Mail Admin HOWTO which gave me the > quick and cheesy way to set up qmail. It worked great, > except it wouldn't > route mail from the TLD. > > hostname.domain.com > > I could send mail between users@host.domain.com, but users@domain.com > wouldn't route. This machine wasn't on a network so I couldn't test > outside mail routing. > > Then I did something really stupid. I went into > /etc/sysconfig/network > and changed my hostname.domain.com. After reconfiguring > qmail, nothing > works. > > I did the ./config-fast host.domain.com so it updated all the > /var/qmail/control/ files and a cat /var/qmail/control/* all > looks good. > Any idea why it wouldn't route to the TLD and now it won't > send at all? > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 17 13:15:06 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qmail problem Message-ID: Put: domain.com in these files: /var/qmail/control/defaultdomain /var/qmail/control/defaulthost /var/qmail/control/plusdomain Restart qmail and it should work. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@antares.cloudnet.com] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] qmail problem > > > Is anyone here a qmail pro? > > I set up qmail on my box using the Mail Admin HOWTO which gave me the > quick and cheesy way to set up qmail. It worked great, > except it wouldn't > route mail from the TLD. > > hostname.domain.com > > I could send mail between users@host.domain.com, but users@domain.com > wouldn't route. This machine wasn't on a network so I couldn't test > outside mail routing. > > Then I did something really stupid. I went into > /etc/sysconfig/network > and changed my hostname.domain.com. After reconfiguring > qmail, nothing > works. > > I did the ./config-fast host.domain.com so it updated all the > /var/qmail/control/ files and a cat /var/qmail/control/* all > looks good. > Any idea why it wouldn't route to the TLD and now it won't > send at all? > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cop7586 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 17 15:11:54 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches Message-ID: Can anybody recommend a good 10/100Mbps switching hub? I was thinking about using a NetGear FS108. Thanks, Chris Opp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From wilson at visi.com Fri Nov 17 15:17:24 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /var/spool/samba setup Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm working on getting Samba configured on my Debian server. The software is installed, but there's no /var/spool/samba directory created automatically. Is there a special command for creating a spooling directory? If not, what ownership and perms do I need? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 15:20:40 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: ; from cop7586@hotmail.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:11:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001117152040.H69729@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I just ordered an FS108. I've always been impressed with thier FS105's, so I thought I'd get a 108. I should get it on Monday or Tuesday. Gabe On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:11:54PM -0600, Chris Opp wrote: > > Can anybody recommend a good 10/100Mbps switching hub? I was thinking about > using a NetGear FS108. > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Happy Happy Happy! Joy Joy Joy!!" - Stimpson J. Cat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andy at theasis.com Fri Nov 17 15:17:42 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Can anybody recommend a good 10/100Mbps switching hub? I was thinking about > using a NetGear FS108. I have one of those and I love it. One thing that's attractive is the lights on each port, which are arranged to let you determine what's going on from across the room. Don't know who has it locally at a sensible price, so I recommend mail order. Andy > Thanks, > > Chris Opp From wilson at visi.com Fri Nov 17 15:27:28 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: Hey everybody, DSL is finally available in my neighborhood and my line is scheduled to go live 11/27. I thought this would be a good opportunity to document the process and various do's and donts for people who would like to have a simple network at home with DSL. The first question is, should I stick to the Cisco 675's built-in NAT/firewall capabilities or roll my own with a separate Linux box? I think it would be instructive to consider some pros and cons. Here's my setup, which I think would be typically of the average, non-professional Linux geek. I'll have two computers at home. The first is a workstation dual-booting Linux and Win9x. The second is Linux only and will provide whatever network services I need. At this point I plan to have a simple Web page (I bought my own domain) and provide listservs for family and friends. I can find an old 486 (or better) to use as a dedicated firewall with no problem. Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall debate? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Nov 17 15:35:13 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:27:28PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001117153513.I69729@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall > debate? > It's a no-brainer: Setup your own firewall. The 675 can only hold 10 filtering rules. Once you've blocked all non-routable networks, you've got no room for anything else. Check the TCLUG archives for a discussion we had about this a few months back (IIRC). Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Happy Happy Happy! Joy Joy Joy!!" - Stimpson J. Cat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dchristian at macalester.edu Fri Nov 17 15:31:29 2000 From: dchristian at macalester.edu (David Christian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... References: Message-ID: <008201c050dd$bf647440$0500000a@localdomain> You need to roll your own firewall if you want to set up a web page--the cisco firewall (as far as I can see) does not allow you to open ports. If I'm wrong about this I'd really be interested in knowing how--it's been an obnoxious problem for me for a while. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... > Hey everybody, > > DSL is finally available in my neighborhood and my line is scheduled to go > live 11/27. I thought this would be a good opportunity to document the > process and various do's and donts for people who would like to have a > simple network at home with DSL. The first question is, should I stick to > the Cisco 675's built-in NAT/firewall capabilities or roll my own with a > separate Linux box? I think it would be instructive to consider some pros > and cons. > > Here's my setup, which I think would be typically of the average, > non-professional Linux geek. I'll have two computers at home. The first is a > workstation dual-booting Linux and Win9x. The second is Linux only and will > provide whatever network services I need. At this point I plan to have a > simple Web page (I bought my own domain) and provide listservs for family > and friends. I can find an old 486 (or better) to use as a dedicated > firewall with no problem. > > Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall > debate? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Nov 17 15:36:01 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wouldn't have a problem using the 675 to do the NAT, but I wouldn't use it as the firewall just because it's not powerful/configurable enough. I have a routed block so I'm not doing NAT, but none of my customers have any problems with it. Some of them are even doing some pretty complicated static NAT entries. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everybody, > > DSL is finally available in my neighborhood and my line is scheduled to go > live 11/27. I thought this would be a good opportunity to document the > process and various do's and donts for people who would like to have a > simple network at home with DSL. The first question is, should I stick to > the Cisco 675's built-in NAT/firewall capabilities or roll my own with a > separate Linux box? I think it would be instructive to consider some pros > and cons. > > Here's my setup, which I think would be typically of the average, > non-professional Linux geek. I'll have two computers at home. The first is a > workstation dual-booting Linux and Win9x. The second is Linux only and will > provide whatever network services I need. At this point I plan to have a > simple Web page (I bought my own domain) and provide listservs for family > and friends. I can find an old 486 (or better) to use as a dedicated > firewall with no problem. > > Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall > debate? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From adamm at sihope.com Fri Nov 17 15:38:04 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <008201c050dd$bf647440$0500000a@localdomain> Message-ID: You need to create static NAT entries to tell the router where to send incoming packets. The syntax varies based on which release of CBOS you're using, but it's something like: set nat static set nat static 204.204.204.1 80 10.0.0.2 80 would send all incoming packets destined for 204.204.204.1 (your IP address on the internet) to 10.0.0.2 (your webserver) on port 80. RTFM for the syntax. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, David Christian wrote: > You need to roll your own firewall if you want to set up a web page--the > cisco firewall (as far as I can see) does not allow you to open ports. If > I'm wrong about this I'd really be interested in knowing how--it's been an > obnoxious problem for me for a while. > > Thanks, > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Wilson" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:27 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... > > > > Hey everybody, > > > > DSL is finally available in my neighborhood and my line is scheduled to go > > live 11/27. I thought this would be a good opportunity to document the > > process and various do's and donts for people who would like to have a > > simple network at home with DSL. The first question is, should I stick to > > the Cisco 675's built-in NAT/firewall capabilities or roll my own with a > > separate Linux box? I think it would be instructive to consider some pros > > and cons. > > > > Here's my setup, which I think would be typically of the average, > > non-professional Linux geek. I'll have two computers at home. The first is > a > > workstation dual-booting Linux and Win9x. The second is Linux only and > will > > provide whatever network services I need. At this point I plan to have a > > simple Web page (I bought my own domain) and provide listservs for family > > and friends. I can find an old 486 (or better) to use as a dedicated > > firewall with no problem. > > > > Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall > > debate? > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mkroska at readynetgo.com Fri Nov 17 15:41:43 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We've used several of the NetGear switching products, specifically, the FS516 and FE516. Both have been great performers and purchased at very reasonable prices. We've installed many of these on customer sites also, each with great results too. We buy lots of stuff from www.mwave.com great prices, and they don't screw you on shipping. Right now the FS524 is priced at $421.97 and in stock! (I should work for them...) Unless you need the port management of a 3Com or Cisco, it's the way to go. MK On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > Can anybody recommend a good 10/100Mbps switching hub? I was thinking about > using a NetGear FS108. > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Nov 17 15:59:37 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /var/spool/samba setup References: Message-ID: <3A15AA49.C47E72B0@ltiflex.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I'm working on getting Samba configured on my Debian server. The software is > installed, but there's no /var/spool/samba directory created > automatically. Is there a special command for creating a spooling > directory? If not, what ownership and perms do I need? What do you need such a directory for? The Debian samba package pretty much work out of the box, and share home directories and printers by default. Print jobs get spooled to tmp. If you want to define parameters for a printer you add a share (but keep the printers share) [hp4050] path = /tmp writeable = Yes create mask = 0700 guest ok = Yes printable = Yes printer = hp4k-acct printer driver = HP LaserJet 4000 Series PS oplocks = No share modes = No Something like that anyway. Change the path to where you want the job to spool. Permission wise, samba runs as root, so the spool directory has to be readable by root. You probally want to give them permissions similar to /var/spool/lpd... ow, my foot is asleep... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 17 16:33:45 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: ; from cop7586@hotmail.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:11:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001117163345.N15370@real-time.com> Quoting Chris Opp (cop7586@hotmail.com): > > Can anybody recommend a good 10/100Mbps switching hub? I was thinking about > using a NetGear FS108. Bay Networks 450T -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Fri Nov 17 17:03:34 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:41:43PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001117170334.E29861@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:41:43PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > Unless you need the port management of a 3Com or Cisco, it's the way to > go. There's this guy on eBay who's been offering 24-port 3Com switches with a starting bid of a penny lately... One of 'em just closed half an hour or so ago at ~$260. Two days left on the next one and it's currently at $66. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 17 17:04:00 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:36:01PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001117170400.R15370@real-time.com> Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > I wouldn't have a problem using the 675 to do the NAT, but I wouldn't use > it as the firewall just because it's not powerful/configurable enough. I > have a routed block so I'm not doing NAT, but none of my customers have > any problems with it. Some of them are even doing some pretty complicated > static NAT entries. Unless things have changed the 675 does not do NAT, it only does PAT, thus it forces you to have an intern LAN of 10.0.0.1. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From adamm at sihope.com Fri Nov 17 17:10:31 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <20001117170400.R15370@real-time.com> Message-ID: I've never tried it using something other than 10.0.0.x/24, but in CBOS 2.3.x at least it lets you specify the internal IP address, which would lead me to believe that you could use any address space on the inside that you wanted. But again, I've never tried it so I don't know. There were enhancements to it's translation features listed on the CBOS 2.3 release notes, so maybe they did implement true NAT. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > > I wouldn't have a problem using the 675 to do the NAT, but I wouldn't use > > it as the firewall just because it's not powerful/configurable enough. I > > have a routed block so I'm not doing NAT, but none of my customers have > > any problems with it. Some of them are even doing some pretty complicated > > static NAT entries. > > Unless things have changed the 675 does not do NAT, it only does PAT, thus it > forces you to have an intern LAN of 10.0.0.1. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Fri Nov 17 17:14:18 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: <20001117170334.E29861@sherohman.org> Message-ID: I have a 3com 24-port, 10 megabit switch (SuperStack II PS Hub 40) that I'll give to anyone who wants to come get it from me up in Ham Lake. (I can be persuaded to haul it over to Blaine.) Anyone who's interested contact me off the list: andy@theasis.com Andy From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 17 17:30:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches Message-ID: As far as price goes, the netgear FS108 is by far the best deal. If you search at pricescan.com, you can find them for less than $180 or so. Plus, they have an internal power supply, so you don't need to have that great big transformer blocking 3 outlets on your power strip. We have a few at work and one at home. Before we had our new office cabled, we had about 20 netgear FS108's (1 for each person because most people have several machines), and about 20 Intel 8 port switches. All of the Netgears still work, most people took them home since we don't need them anymore, but half of the Intel's died and got returned to buy.com. If you wanna spend some cash, get yourself a cisco 2900 series. Avoid intel switches at all costs. I have a 510T at home, and it screws up it's ARP table all the time. I also have a little Intel 8 port switch that has a fan in it with bad bearings so it constantly wakes me up in the middle of the night. Plus, certain Sun onboard ethernet controllers will not work with some Intel switches. There's a firmware upgrade for the Sun machines that this affects, however, Sun's documentation actually recommends upgrading to a better switch. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:04 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Switches > > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:41:43PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > Unless you need the port management of a 3Com or Cisco, > it's the way to > > go. > > There's this guy on eBay who's been offering 24-port 3Com > switches with a > starting bid of a penny lately... One of 'em just closed > half an hour or so > ago at ~$260. Two days left on the next one and it's > currently at $66. > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft > senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- > W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G > e* h+ r++ y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 17 17:39:11 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: For the most part, the NAT capabilities in the 675 work, but the amount of stuff you can really do with it sucks. I was using an AMD 486 overclocked to 160mhz with 2 3c905b's in it for awhile. Most linux distributions include all of the IP masquerading modules already, so you just have to read the IP-masq howto and basically copy the config that's in there. If you want to run any servers behind the firewall, you will need to get ipmasqadm so you can do port forwarding. There is also a PPTP module that you will need if you plan on establishing a VPN connection from your inside network to somewhere else on the net. There are modules to handle just about every weird protocol with the linux solution, including FTP, ICQ, and quake. I'm using a cisco 3640 with the IOS firewall feature set now, but it kinda sucks compared to the linux box. I just picked up a PIX 520 though, so we'll see how that works. Cisco still doesn't have a fixup for PPTP. As long as I can pass IPSec through the PIX, I'll be fine though. :) I may eventually end up switching back to the linux box because it's much more configurable than just about any other solution. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:11 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... > > > I've never tried it using something other than 10.0.0.x/24, > but in CBOS > 2.3.x at least it lets you specify the internal IP address, > which would > lead me to believe that you could use any address space on > the inside that > you wanted. But again, I've never tried it so I don't know. > There were > enhancements to it's translation features listed on the CBOS > 2.3 release > notes, so maybe they did implement true NAT. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > > > I wouldn't have a problem using the 675 to do the NAT, > but I wouldn't use > > > it as the firewall just because it's not > powerful/configurable enough. I > > > have a routed block so I'm not doing NAT, but none of my > customers have > > > any problems with it. Some of them are even doing some > pretty complicated > > > static NAT entries. > > > > Unless things have changed the 675 does not do NAT, it only > does PAT, thus it > > forces you to have an intern LAN of 10.0.0.1. > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Fri Nov 17 18:10:15 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011180008.SAA13332@mail.destef.com> I got DSL from USWaste 2 years ago and within 3 months my redhat 5.2 server was hacked into (via buggy NFS) due to no firewall. I used ipfwadm for another year and that worked fine (no need to firewall windows services cause you cant do anything). I have my own subnet so NAT and proxy provided solutions I didnt want to use. I didnt want to use a 10-net and I didnt want to rely on the limitation of the 675 to try to make something work. I eventually took a seperate linux box (a p133) and wrote my own firewall program that is completely passive on the network. It basically works like a 2-port switch that can filter out packets. It sits between the router and my hub and neither device knows the firewall is there because its transparent. I also added packet queueing and prioritization (why stop at just firewalling). Now if someone FTP's a file and sucks up my bandwidth and I do a ping I get 700+ms but my counterstrike packets move along at <100ms (unaffected). As I need more features (like more complex firewalling rules) I just add the features. I've been using it for about 6 months now and it works great. And its 100% secure. Neither NIC has a MAC address or IP address so there is absolutely no way for the firewall to get hacked into. Still a few quirks to hammer out when I get time, but nothing too serious. Next feature to add is bandwidth throttling (CAR if your a cisco fan)... All it takes to make this work is a 486 or higher box with 8-16MB, 2 NICs and redhat 6.0+. Let me know if anyone's interested in more details...(and no, the source code has NOT been released...yet). BTW, the 675 has a habit of locking up occasionally when the DSL lines goes down for some reason meaning that when the DSL line comes back up the router still wont forward. I've had to reboot it and the line comes back no problem. Happened 3-4 times in 2 years...nothing too serious. At 03:27 PM 11/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hey everybody, > >DSL is finally available in my neighborhood and my line is scheduled to go >live 11/27. I thought this would be a good opportunity to document the >process and various do's and donts for people who would like to have a >simple network at home with DSL. The first question is, should I stick to >the Cisco 675's built-in NAT/firewall capabilities or roll my own with a >separate Linux box? I think it would be instructive to consider some pros >and cons. > >Here's my setup, which I think would be typically of the average, >non-professional Linux geek. I'll have two computers at home. The first is a >workstation dual-booting Linux and Win9x. The second is Linux only and will >provide whatever network services I need. At this point I plan to have a >simple Web page (I bought my own domain) and provide listservs for family >and friends. I can find an old 486 (or better) to use as a dedicated >firewall with no problem. > >Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall >debate? > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tim at tneu.visi.com Fri Nov 17 13:18:21 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SiS 620 Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !@#!@#$@#!#$#$ Argh! I'm trying to install an ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 128 into a PC-Chips 748MR motherboard. When I install the card, the on-board shared memory graphics adapter releases its memory, (indicating to me that the on-board video is disabled). However, there is no option in the bios to disable the SiS620 video, and the manual does not list any available jumper to disable the onboard video. My problem is, when I try to run the TV Tuner application, it says it can't find the ATI Video card. I confess that this particular box is not currently running linux (although it has been in the past). (it's running 95) Unfortunately, the ATI AIW video capturing and TV-Out do not work with the current Linux GATOS port, and I'd really like use these features. Any ideas anyone? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ I was wondering if anyone on the list has successfully configured sendmail on their RH 6.2 box to receive mail in the following fashion: {any user}@mydomain.com goes to user jschmoe ------ I have read the sendmail-cf docs on my box and have checked out the sendmail.org bit on virtual hosting, but without success. This is what I did: After adding the sendmail-cf rpm to my box, I went to /etc/mail and I performed the following: I made a file called "mailfile" which had one line in it: @getsetnet.net jamie I saved the file and then performed the following action: [root@floyd /mail]$ makemap hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable < mailfile I then restarted sendmail. It failed. I restarted it again. It said "OK". Howevver, when I tried sending mail to "james@getsetnet.net" I received the following error: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. james@getsetnet.net Reporting-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:26 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;james@getsetnet.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 ... User unknown Does anyone have *ANY* ideas? I have been working on and off on this one for quite some time. - Jamie From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Fri Nov 17 23:16:00 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail on RH6.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00111723164102.55760@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Dude, email me personally and I can help you set it up. Eric ecrist@ardent-hacker.net <--my domain, my mail server, running Sendmail On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, you wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on the list has successfully configured > sendmail on their RH 6.2 box to receive mail in the following fashion: > > {any user}@mydomain.com > > goes to user jschmoe > > ------ > > I have read the sendmail-cf docs on my box and have checked out the > sendmail.org bit on virtual hosting, but without success. This is what I > did: > > After adding the sendmail-cf rpm to my box, I went to /etc/mail and > I performed the following: > > > I made a file called "mailfile" which had one line in it: > > @getsetnet.net jamie > > I saved the file and then performed the following action: > > > [root@floyd /mail]$ makemap hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable < mailfile > > > I then restarted sendmail. It failed. I restarted it again. It said > "OK". > > Howevver, when I tried sending mail to "james@getsetnet.net" I received > the following error: > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > > Delivery to the following recipients failed. > > james@getsetnet.net > > > > > Reporting-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com > Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:26 -0800 > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;james@getsetnet.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 ... User unknown > > > > Does anyone have *ANY* ideas? I have been working on and off on this > one for quite some time. > > > > - Jamie > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From adamm at sihope.com Sat Nov 18 10:25:46 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail on RH6.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can use virtusertable to accomplish this. in sendmail.cw: FEATURE(virtuser)dnl (I think - RTFM first) then create a file /etc/mail/virtusertable (or /etc/virtusertable): bill@yourdomain.com bill bob@yourdomain.com bob @yourdomain.com joeuser Also see http://www.telekomnet.com, click on "ISP Community" under the Communities section, and look for an article about basic Sendmail configuration. It goes over this, and I hear it's pretty good :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has successfully configured > sendmail on their RH 6.2 box to receive mail in the following fashion: > > {any user}@mydomain.com > > goes to user jschmoe > > ------ > > I have read the sendmail-cf docs on my box and have checked out the > sendmail.org bit on virtual hosting, but without success. This is what I > did: > > After adding the sendmail-cf rpm to my box, I went to /etc/mail and > I performed the following: > > > I made a file called "mailfile" which had one line in it: > > @getsetnet.net jamie > > I saved the file and then performed the following action: > > > [root@floyd /mail]$ makemap hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable < mailfile > > > I then restarted sendmail. It failed. I restarted it again. It said > "OK". > > Howevver, when I tried sending mail to "james@getsetnet.net" I received > the following error: > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > > Delivery to the following recipients failed. > > james@getsetnet.net > > > > > Reporting-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com > Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:26 -0800 > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;james@getsetnet.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 ... User unknown > > > > Does anyone have *ANY* ideas? I have been working on and off on this > one for quite some time. > > > > - Jamie > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Sat Nov 18 11:13:33 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > For the most part, the NAT capabilities in the 675 work, but the amount of > stuff you can really do with it sucks. OK, I'll buy that. I'm not opposed to rolling my own firewall. It's just a matter of how much time I have to devote to the effort. That brings up the next question. Do I need a dedicated firewall sitting between the 675 and my switch (I ordered a NetGear FS105 from mwave.com yesterday) or can I use the server that I plan to use for Web and email and put two NICs in it to achieve the same effect? (At least I think that second option would work.) Comments? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From andy at theasis.com Sat Nov 18 11:26:36 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > That brings up the next question. Do I need a dedicated firewall sitting > between the 675 and my switch (I ordered a NetGear FS105 from mwave.com > yesterday) or can I use the server that I plan to use for Web and email and > put two NICs in it to achieve the same effect? (At least I think that second > option would work.) > > Comments? Depends on how strict you want your fw to be. For maximum protection, firewall should be dedicated. In fact, make as much of it as possible read-only. You can find immense amounts of stuff online, but if you like books, get Linux Firewalls by Robert L. Zeigler (New Riders). If nothing else, go to a bookstore and read the Intro and first chapter for some philosophy. Andy > > -Tim From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 18 14:07:27 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: The firewall should definitely be dedicated for maximum security. If you run a mailserver on it, and someone breaks in through the mailserver, then they would have full access to your network. Check out http://www.linuxrouterproject.org. You can use one of their boot floppies to make a firewall. You can customize the floppies also to add or remove features. You don't even need a hard drive in the machine with this. Jay -----Original Message----- From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:27 AM To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... > > That brings up the next question. Do I need a dedicated firewall sitting > between the 675 and my switch (I ordered a NetGear FS105 from mwave.com > yesterday) or can I use the server that I plan to use for Web and email and > put two NICs in it to achieve the same effect? (At least I think that second > option would work.) > > Comments? Depends on how strict you want your fw to be. For maximum protection, firewall should be dedicated. In fact, make as much of it as possible read-only. You can find immense amounts of stuff online, but if you like books, get Linux Firewalls by Robert L. Zeigler (New Riders). If nothing else, go to a bookstore and read the Intro and first chapter for some philosophy. Andy > > -Tim _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 18 14:38:49 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: Oops, make that http://www.linuxrouter.org -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:07 PM To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... The firewall should definitely be dedicated for maximum security. If you run a mailserver on it, and someone breaks in through the mailserver, then they would have full access to your network. Check out http://www.linuxrouterproject.org. You can use one of their boot floppies to make a firewall. You can customize the floppies also to add or remove features. You don't even need a hard drive in the machine with this. Jay -----Original Message----- From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:27 AM To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... > > That brings up the next question. Do I need a dedicated firewall sitting > between the 675 and my switch (I ordered a NetGear FS105 from mwave.com > yesterday) or can I use the server that I plan to use for Web and email and > put two NICs in it to achieve the same effect? (At least I think that second > option would work.) > > Comments? Depends on how strict you want your fw to be. For maximum protection, firewall should be dedicated. In fact, make as much of it as possible read-only. You can find immense amounts of stuff online, but if you like books, get Linux Firewalls by Robert L. Zeigler (New Riders). If nothing else, go to a bookstore and read the Intro and first chapter for some philosophy. Andy > > -Tim _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Nov 18 17:42:56 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <200011180008.SAA13332@mail.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 06:10:15PM -0600 References: <200011180008.SAA13332@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <20001118174256.A74809@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 06:10:15PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: > I got DSL from USWaste 2 years ago and within 3 months my redhat > 5.2 server was hacked into (via buggy NFS) due to no firewall. I used > ipfwadm for another year and that worked fine (no need to firewall windows > services cause you cant do anything). I have my own subnet so NAT and > proxy provided solutions I didnt want to use. I didnt want to use a 10-net > and I didnt want to rely on the limitation of the 675 to try to make > something work. I eventually took a seperate linux box (a p133) and > wrote my own firewall program that is completely passive on the network. > It basically works like a 2-port switch that can filter out packets. It > sits between the router and my hub and neither device knows the firewall > is there because its transparent. I also added packet queueing and > prioritization (why stop at just firewalling). Now if someone FTP's a > file and sucks up my bandwidth and I do a ping I get 700+ms but my > counterstrike packets move along at <100ms (unaffected). As I need > more features (like more complex firewalling rules) I just add the features. > I've been using it for about 6 months now and it works great. And its > 100% secure. Neither NIC has a MAC address or IP address so there > is absolutely no way for the firewall to get hacked into. Still a few quirks > to hammer out when I get time, but nothing too serious. > You didn't have to write this yourself. It sounds to me like an ethernet bridge. Can be done easily in OpenBSD by setting up the bridge0 device and putting your filtering rules in /etc/ipf.rules. It's one of the coolest capabilities I've seen in OpenBSD. Hopefully, something similar will be implemented in the 2.4 Linux kernel. Anyone know if Linux is already capable of bridging like this? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From destef at destef.com Sat Nov 18 18:27:14 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <20001118174256.A74809@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <200011180008.SAA13332@mail.destef.com> <200011180008.SAA13332@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <200011190025.SAA14405@mail.destef.com> A bridge is exactly what it is and it gives me the ability to insert code to process the packets any I want. Plus, it only took about 8 hours to write the firewall and maybe another 8 hours to adding multithreaded queueing and prioritization so it wasnt much of an investment in time (but a good learning experience). I tried linux bridging with ipchains and neither would work together, they only worked on their own. Plus, your alternate solution is BSD not linux. heh. If the program you mention can prioritize certain packets over others, do bandwidth throttling on any traffic pattern, provide a web interface to view the stats in realtime, and modify the rules table on-the-fly via a web interface then I'd be interested. Some additional features I plan to add: 1. Fake RST-ACK blocked ports to port scanners. For example, if you nmap a firewalled port nmap tells you its firewalled because it doesnt reveive a RST-ACK when its probed. If the firewall will send the RST-ACK to the port scanner on behalf of the firewalled box then a port scanning program wont even be able to tell if you have your network firewalled. 2. NAT through a bridge. In *theory* when I forward packets I could replace an "internet IP" with a 10-net IP and then back to an internet IP on the way out. Certain boxes could have a 10-net but still have a unique IP on the Internet, others could be proxied through 1 IP. This could potentially allow 10-net boxes full internet access with no configuration needed on clients. This would give NAT/proxied machines the benefits of all the other features of this program. And the best thing is that you dont need to rely on Cisco routers to handle these features even if they could. Of course, some of these ideas are future ideas and may exist already in other packages but my goal is to integrate all these features into a single transparent bridge (using my algorithms).Plus, its a good learning experience in the process. If anyone knows of any linux transparent firewalls that they know to work I'd be interesting in hearing about it. Jason At 05:42 PM 11/18/00 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 06:10:15PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: >> >You didn't have to write this yourself. It sounds to me like an ethernet >bridge. Can be done easily in OpenBSD by setting up the bridge0 device and >putting your filtering rules in /etc/ipf.rules. It's one of the coolest >capabilities I've seen in OpenBSD. Hopefully, something similar will be >implemented in the 2.4 Linux kernel. Anyone know if Linux is already >capable of bridging like this? > >Gabe > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Nov 18 20:11:54 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: Another great feature would be to have packets matching a certain rule to get passed to a plugin for processing. For example, PPTP packets could get passed to a plugin that replaces the internal IP with the external one on the way out, and vice-versa on the way in. What would be even better is multiple interface support, where you assign each interface a different security level. The outside interface would be 0, and the inside would be 100. DMZ's could be anything in between. By default, higher security levels would be able to get to lower ones, but not the other way around. Adding this support and NAT capabilities would make it have the same functionality as a cisco PIX firewall (except for the PPTP thing). Maybe it's time to whack your code up on sourceforge.net and start a project. Once it's up and working properly, you give the code away under the GPL, but charge for support services if businesses need them. This is how the makers of MySQL and Bind make their money. I don't know yet if Oracle is free for commercial use, but they were throwing around the idea since 70% of their revenue is generated from support contracts and calls. If you could fit the project on a boot floppy, and make a nice command line interface, you'd make a very nice free alternative to very expensive commercial firewalls. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 6:27 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... A bridge is exactly what it is and it gives me the ability to insert code to process the packets any I want. Plus, it only took about 8 hours to write the firewall and maybe another 8 hours to adding multithreaded queueing and prioritization so it wasnt much of an investment in time (but a good learning experience). I tried linux bridging with ipchains and neither would work together, they only worked on their own. Plus, your alternate solution is BSD not linux. heh. If the program you mention can prioritize certain packets over others, do bandwidth throttling on any traffic pattern, provide a web interface to view the stats in realtime, and modify the rules table on-the-fly via a web interface then I'd be interested. Some additional features I plan to add: 1. Fake RST-ACK blocked ports to port scanners. For example, if you nmap a firewalled port nmap tells you its firewalled because it doesnt reveive a RST-ACK when its probed. If the firewall will send the RST-ACK to the port scanner on behalf of the firewalled box then a port scanning program wont even be able to tell if you have your network firewalled. 2. NAT through a bridge. In *theory* when I forward packets I could replace an "internet IP" with a 10-net IP and then back to an internet IP on the way out. Certain boxes could have a 10-net but still have a unique IP on the Internet, others could be proxied through 1 IP. This could potentially allow 10-net boxes full internet access with no configuration needed on clients. This would give NAT/proxied machines the benefits of all the other features of this program. And the best thing is that you dont need to rely on Cisco routers to handle these features even if they could. Of course, some of these ideas are future ideas and may exist already in other packages but my goal is to integrate all these features into a single transparent bridge (using my algorithms).Plus, its a good learning experience in the process. If anyone knows of any linux transparent firewalls that they know to work I'd be interesting in hearing about it. Jason At 05:42 PM 11/18/00 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 06:10:15PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: >> >You didn't have to write this yourself. It sounds to me like an ethernet >bridge. Can be done easily in OpenBSD by setting up the bridge0 device and >putting your filtering rules in /etc/ipf.rules. It's one of the coolest >capabilities I've seen in OpenBSD. Hopefully, something similar will be >implemented in the 2.4 Linux kernel. Anyone know if Linux is already >capable of bridging like this? > >Gabe > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From destef at destef.com Sat Nov 18 22:24:12 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011190422.WAA14589@mail.destef.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001118/f84a87ff/attachment.html From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 19 01:59:48 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telephony Stuff References: <200011190422.WAA14589@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <3A178874.20B5F003@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know how this internet telephony work ? I would like to know how expensive it is to set it up and what kind of hardware and software I need. My goal is to see if I can get around the long distance companies to make international calls in carrier grade quality. any thoughts ? .... Apu From jts at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 19 03:54:51 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: <3A17A369.C046EF59@tc.umn.edu> Why not use both Cisco 675 _and_ Linux firewalling? In my home network, I'm using the 675's NAT to forward port 80's TCP traffic to a web server and everything else to a firewall. Because the web server is on the "DMZ" network (outside of the inner firewall), the machines behind the firewall are protected even if the web server gets 'sploited. Last December I put together a short presentation on the Linux Router Project (LRP) for TCLUG. The notes from that presentation, including some information about configuring the Cisco 675, are available at: http://joelschneider.org/lrp/ Although those notes definitely show signs of age, much of the information is still relevant/useful. A 486 firewall machine should have no trouble handling the bandwidth of a DSL line (mine's a 486/33). Joel Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everybody, > > DSL is finally available in my neighborhood and my line is scheduled > to go live 11/27. I thought this would be a good opportunity to > document the process and various do's and donts for people who would > like to have a simple network at home with DSL. The first question > is, should I stick to the Cisco 675's built-in NAT/firewall > capabilities or roll my own with a separate Linux box? I think it > would be instructive to consider some pros and cons. > > Here's my setup, which I think would be typically of the average, > non-professional Linux geek. I'll have two computers at home. The > first is a workstation dual-booting Linux and Win9x. The second is > Linux only and will provide whatever network services I need. At > this point I plan to have a simple Web page (I bought my own domain) > and provide listservs for family and friends. I can find an old 486 > (or better) to use as a dedicated firewall with no problem. > > Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux > firewall debate? > > -Tim From eric at urbanrage.com Sun Nov 19 10:37:18 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... References: <200011190422.WAA14589@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <3A1801BE.7B4919CA@urbanrage.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: [snip] > If anyone has any experience with pariticipating in linux development > "projects" I'd be interested in hearing any tips on how to manage > one (assuming I have the time). > > Jason If you are actually going to release it under GPL or other public license then I highly recommend using SourceForge. SourceForge supplies cvs servers, compile farms, mailing lists, multiple developer support and a whole load of other options all for free. Basically their requirement is that the software is open source. http://www.sourceforge.net Eric eric@urbanrage.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 19 10:53:01 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23721] Audio CD burning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > You cannot do a direct copy with audio. I think there is an explanation why > on the cdrecord website. Sorry this is a late reply, and not a helpful one, but this is not correct. One can do a direct SCSI copy of audio. However, it may require a program with a more (or *less!*) sophisticated low-level driver. In other words, your comment is a software, not hardware restriction. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 19 10:59:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards Message-ID: If anyone has an old PII 350 or two laying around that they'd like to sell, please drop me a line. I'd like to get ahold of it today for a project that I'm working on. I also need 2 intel EtherExpress Pro cards with the i82559 chip on them. More if you've got them. Thanks. Jay From destef at destef.com Sun Nov 19 12:27:47 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <3A1801BE.7B4919CA@urbanrage.com> References: <200011190422.WAA14589@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <200011191826.MAA15350@mail.destef.com> Maybe I dont understand the open source idea, but my biggest concern is someone taking my code, making a few modifications, and re-releasing it with their name on it and taking credit. Can anyone help explain this a little more? Thanks, Jason At 10:37 AM 11/19/00 -0600, you wrote: >Jason DeStefano wrote: >[snip] >> If anyone has any experience with pariticipating in linux development >> "projects" I'd be interested in hearing any tips on how to manage >> one (assuming I have the time). >> >> Jason > >If you are actually going to release it under GPL or other public >license then I highly recommend using SourceForge. > >SourceForge supplies cvs servers, compile farms, mailing lists, multiple >developer support and a whole load of other options all for free. >Basically their requirement is that the software is open source. > >http://www.sourceforge.net > >Eric > eric@urbanrage.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Nov 19 12:55:56 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PalmOS upgrade solved? References: <00111709492900.00666@Billbob_linux> <3A155591.6B8C9634@tc.umn.edu> <00111710414202.00666@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: <3A18223C.2C28180D@tc.umn.edu> Bill Layer wrote: > > Oh you're no fun, > > > I know I had seen this a long time ago, though I had thought it had > > disappeared (and it doesn't matter if you can't get the actual ROM image > > anyway, like when it's stuck inside a Windows binary) > > > > OS Flash: http://bodotill.suburbia.com.au/osflash/osflash.html > > Heh, I knew that this had to have been done already. Seemed too simple... > Apparently, you answered your own question, Mike ;) Well, sort of. The OS Flash program appears to be one that you install on the Palm device itself, rather than a program that runs on the host system and communicates with the Palm's debugger. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Back Up My Hard Drive? I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Can't Find The Reverse \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Switch! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 19 14:04:41 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: If you release your code under the GPL, no one can remove your name from the code. Someone can take the code and modify it, but they must give you credit for it. Normally, if someone wants to modify your code and fork it off as a separate project, they will ask your permission first. Most likely, no one will want to fork the code, but instead will just submit patches to you so you can integrate it into your project. Probably the best thing to do would be to add module functionality to the code so others can just write plugins for it. If you put your project up on sourceforge, you are the lead developer on it. You can add other developers for the project if you want others working on it. -----Original Message----- From: Jason DeStefano To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Sent: 11/19/00 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Maybe I dont understand the open source idea, but my biggest concern is someone taking my code, making a few modifications, and re-releasing it with their name on it and taking credit. Can anyone help explain this a little more? Thanks, Jason At 10:37 AM 11/19/00 -0600, you wrote: >Jason DeStefano wrote: >[snip] >> If anyone has any experience with pariticipating in linux development >> "projects" I'd be interested in hearing any tips on how to manage >> one (assuming I have the time). >> >> Jason > >If you are actually going to release it under GPL or other public >license then I highly recommend using SourceForge. > >SourceForge supplies cvs servers, compile farms, mailing lists, multiple >developer support and a whole load of other options all for free. >Basically their requirement is that the software is open source. > >http://www.sourceforge.net > >Eric > eric@urbanrage.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 19 17:05:57 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail on RH6.2 In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 10:25:46AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001119170557.A28929@real-time.com> > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has successfully configured > > sendmail on their RH 6.2 box to receive mail in the following fashion: > > > > {any user}@mydomain.com In your sendmail.mc: FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl In /etc/mail/virtusertable # one user basic@us.netrek.org tanner@real-time.com # alias all to one @company.com tanner@real-time.com # substitue one to one @isp.com %1@real-time.com -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Nov 19 15:58:26 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 10:59:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001119155826.B19539@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001119 11:06]: > I also need 2 intel EtherExpress Pro cards with the i82559 chip on them. > More if you've got them. Did they stop making these or soemthign? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001119/155cd8f6/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Sun Nov 19 10:06:52 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Switches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, I've already parted with this. cheers, Andy > I have a 3com 24-port, 10 megabit switch (SuperStack II PS Hub 40) that > I'll give to anyone who wants to come get it from me up in Ham Lake. (I > can be persuaded to haul it over to Blaine.) > Andy From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 19 22:04:32 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards Message-ID: >Did they stop making these or soemthign? I don't think so. I just wanted to see if anyone had any used ones. I didn't want to go trek around looking for some and paying full price if I didn't have to. Micro Center didn't have any 3com or Intel cards when I was there yesterday. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:58 PM Cc: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards * Austad, Jay [001119 11:06]: > I also need 2 intel EtherExpress Pro cards with the i82559 chip on them. > More if you've got them. Did they stop making these or soemthign? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sun Nov 19 18:08:22 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail on RH6.2 In-Reply-To: <20001119170557.A28929@real-time.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the help with Sendmail. Fortunately I was able to get everything working. Just needed that nudge to get over the top of things : ) - Jamie On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has successfully configured > > > sendmail on their RH 6.2 box to receive mail in the following fashion: > > > > > > {any user}@mydomain.com > > In your sendmail.mc: > > FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl > > In /etc/mail/virtusertable > > # one user > basic@us.netrek.org tanner@real-time.com > # alias all to one > @company.com tanner@real-time.com > # substitue one to one > @isp.com %1@real-time.com > > > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 20 00:59:52 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] typing odd characters Message-ID: Under windows, if I hold down alt, and hit 164 on the keypad, it will type an n with a squiggly thing above it. How do I do this under linux? Apparently my spanish speaking friends get all huffy-puffy when I don't use the correct characters even though they know what I mean. :) Jay From destef at destef.com Mon Nov 20 07:39:07 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] typing odd characters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011201337.HAA16283@mail.destef.com> At 12:59 AM 11/20/00 -0600, you wrote: >Under windows, if I hold down alt, and hit 164 on the keypad, it will type >an n with a squiggly thing above it. How do I do this under linux? Telnet to a linux box from windows program like netterm and do the ALT-trick. :) > >Apparently my spanish speaking friends get all huffy-puffy when I don't use >the correct characters even though they know what I mean. :) Aww gees...tell them to write in english and that problem will go away! :) > >Jay >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 20 08:06:57 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail on RH6.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't you mean "fetchmail"? On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has successfully configured > sendmail on their RH 6.2 box to receive mail in the following fashion: > > {any user}@mydomain.com > > goes to user jschmoe > > ------ > > I have read the sendmail-cf docs on my box and have checked out the > sendmail.org bit on virtual hosting, but without success. This is what I > did: > > After adding the sendmail-cf rpm to my box, I went to /etc/mail and > I performed the following: > > > I made a file called "mailfile" which had one line in it: > > @getsetnet.net jamie > > I saved the file and then performed the following action: > > > [root@floyd /mail]$ makemap hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable < mailfile > > > I then restarted sendmail. It failed. I restarted it again. It said > "OK". > > Howevver, when I tried sending mail to "james@getsetnet.net" I received > the following error: > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > > Delivery to the following recipients failed. > > james@getsetnet.net > > > > > Reporting-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com > Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:26 -0800 > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;james@getsetnet.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 ... User unknown > > > > Does anyone have *ANY* ideas? I have been working on and off on this > one for quite some time. > > > > - Jamie > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 20 08:34:13 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] typing odd characters References: Message-ID: <3A193665.CD284ADD@ltiflex.com> Under GNOME there's an applet called the Character Picker. It has little buttons that will put special characters on your clipboard. Kinda cumbersome, but it works until you figure out how to do it from the keyboard. (Dunno how myself...) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 20 08:48:08 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] typing odd characters References: Message-ID: <3A1939A8.7F435E1B@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Under windows, if I hold down alt, and hit 164 on the keypad, it will type > an n with a squiggly thing above it. How do I do this under linux? > > Apparently my spanish speaking friends get all huffy-puffy when I don't use > the correct characters even though they know what I mean. :) The easier thing to do under Linux is to set up the Windows keys to have different behaviors. I think the trick is to set up XFree86 with a pc104 keyboard, and the `nodeadkeys' option turned on. One of the Windows keys (I think it's the one on the right) will be turned into a `compose' key, where you can hit compose, then n, then ~ and get the right result (unfortunately, I can't demonstrate because my X setup is moderately borked right now..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Does the reverse side / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ also have a reverse side? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Nov 20 08:51:54 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telephony Stuff In-Reply-To: <3A178874.20B5F003@tc.umn.edu> References: <200011190422.WAA14589@mail.destef.com> <3A178874.20B5F003@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00112009034501.00271@Billbob_linux> Hi, On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Does anyone know how this internet telephony work ? Quite nicely, with sufficient bandwidth.. You need about a 28.8K segment of bandwidth to carry a high-quality full-duplex voice connection. I would like to know > how expensive it is to set it up and what kind of hardware and software > I need. My goal is to see if I can get around the long distance > companies to make international calls in carrier grade quality. any > thoughts ? .... The best hardware solution I have seen for for dedicated VOIP is the InterStar IP Star by DSG technology. You need a minimum of two boxes, at a cost of around $200 US per box. The IP Star presents a standard 10/100 RJ-45 UTP interface for data, and an RJ-11C interface for an analog (POTS) telephone device. In effect, you can plug an old-fashioned analog telephone into this box and place calls across the LAN or internet by dialing the IP address of the remote box. There are also solutions for VOIP to landline, and vice-versa. The management of DSG also seems quite responsive: I phoned them about a firmware bug that I discovered in the unit, and the software engineer literally corrected it on-the-fly, offering his thanks & apologies. I have tried the system with fax machines, and fax worked fine across the LAN. Lag was in the milliseconds, and voice quality was comperable to a cordless telephone. The only competing product that offered as much performance was the Multu-VOIP from Multi-Tech (made right here in good old MN). But at 5x the cost, the IP Star was the obvious price / performance choice. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 20 11:37:45 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <3A17A369.C046EF59@tc.umn.edu>; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:54:51AM -0600 References: <3A17A369.C046EF59@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001120113745.C729@wookimus.net> Timothy Wilson wrote: Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux firewall debate? On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:54:51AM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > Why not use both Cisco 675 _and_ Linux firewalling? Actually, this suggestion is the best one to go with, although I disagree with how Joel has implemented it; albeit slightly at best. Under Joel's suggestion, the network would look like this: ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 | [ DSL ]------[ HUB ] | +--------------+ (DMZ) | | [ WEB Server] [ Firewall ] | (Private Net) This is not alltogether bad, but the side affect is that any additional filtering of traffic to the web server must be accomplished through the DSL modem. This modem has a grand total of 10 filter rules. If you have only one static IP address allocated to you, then you are forced to deal with the Cisco's NAT. Linux IPChains (2.2) or IPTables (2.4) is infinitely more flexible on how you handle packet filtering, routing, and forwarding. If you feel you would like to use this power, you can do one of two things: 1) Manage the port forwarding at the Linux firewall ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 | [ DSL ]--------[ Firewall ] | [ HUB ] | +-------------+-------------+ | | [ WEB Server] (Private Net) 2) Add another network card to the firewall and have a "server" subnet/DMZ ( Internet ) <#1> | [ DSL ] | <#2> [ Firewall ] <#3> (DMZ) | | (Private Net) <#4> +-----------+ +--------[ HUB ] | | [ WEB Server] ... Now, notice how all traffic is flowing through the firewall. This gives you an amount of control and flexibility far beyond that which you could achieve through the DSL modem alone. Through these suggestions, you would need only one NAT rule at the Cisco: forward all traffic destined for the Cisco to the firewall. Now, the nets #2, #3, and #4 can be configure in many different ways. It all depends upon what your ISP has given you. If the ISP gave you only one IP address, either static or dynamic, your DSL router must use NAT to forward any requests to other machines. If you've received a /30 Internet subnet, you have two "useable" IP addresses. You must assign one to your DSL router and you have one left for your firewall. If you're given a /29, or 6 "useable" IP addresses, you could actually make your DMZ a bridged network off your firewall (which is something I'm working on configuring at my house). Well, you have a lot of choices depending on what you've been allocated. I personally want my Linux firewall handling the bulk of the filtering and NAT rules, if not all of them. I simply don't trust the Cisco, nor do I like it's limited resources. Anyway, good luck! -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I do this under linux? > > Telnet to a linux box from windows program like netterm and do the > ALT-trick. :) > > > > >Apparently my spanish speaking friends get all huffy-puffy when I don't use > >the correct characters even though they know what I mean. :) > > Aww gees...tell them to write in english and that problem will go away! :) > > > > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 20 10:49:00 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] typing odd characters In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 12:59:52AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001120104900.B729@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 12:59:52AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Under windows, if I hold down alt, and hit 164 on the keypad, it will type > an n with a squiggly thing above it. How do I do this under linux? > > Apparently my spanish speaking friends get all huffy-puffy when I don't use > the correct characters even though they know what I mean. :) If you're in X, use the US-International keyboard map. This means any time you type the special accent or quote characters, you'll need to hit them twice to get the actual quote character. Still, it allows you to do weird things like the umlauts, accents, and backticks, etc. I'm not sure exactly WHICH map it is. You can select this keyboard while using XF86Setup or xf86config. There's probably some other ways to set it. Otherwise, use the character picker method. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001120/24cb522e/attachment.pgp From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Nov 20 11:01:53 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] typing odd characters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Under windows, if I hold down alt, and hit 164 on the keypad, it will type > an n with a squiggly thing above it. How do I do this under linux? > > Apparently my spanish speaking friends get all huffy-puffy when I don't use > the correct characters even though they know what I mean. :) You could also modify your console and/or X keymaps to make right-alt do fun things. I don't remember how I learned, but I believe there is a good HOWTO out there. To modify the X map, xkeycaps is indispensible. I don't know of any such tool for console though... Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Nov 20 11:56:39 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mylex Acceleraid 170 References: <3A1939A8.7F435E1B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A1965D7.3324FE31@structural-wood.com> OK, I bought myself a Mylex Acceleraid 170 Raid, and a couple of 10k u160 36Mb drives and set up a RAID 1 config. I wanted to be able to run the same kernel I was running on other machines (2.2.17) and I wasn't able to find a distro that would install directly to the RAID array, so I installed to a SCSI drive attached to a BusTek KT958. After the install I fdisked the RAID array, made appropriate filesystems, copied the filesystems from the BusTek SCSI drive to the RAID array, modified lilo to boot from the RAID array, shut the machine off, yanked the power from the drive connected to the BusTek, rebooted and voila', I booted from the RAID array. I was feeling pretty smug until I removed the BusTek card from the PCI bus (which wasn't connected to any drives). When I did this and powered up, the LILO prompt never appeared - just a bunch of linefeeds (at least thats how it appeared - the cursor walked to the bottom of the screen, and then the Mainboard BIOS messages scrolled off the top). Bemused I put the BusTek card back on the PCI slot (again, nothing attached), powered up, and I booted from the RAID array without problem. Too weird for my besotted brain - anyone have any thoughts? Kent From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Mon Nov 20 12:16:52 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] control ls --color use of colors Message-ID: How can I contorl what colors ls uses for directory, links and files when I use the ls --color option? Thanks, Ben From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Nov 20 12:32:08 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Colors in LS Message-ID: <00112012331009.00274@Billbob_linux> Hi Ben, Look at the LS_COLORS env variable, and man dircolors -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 20 12:39:43 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telephony Stuff Message-ID: Actually, I just set up Speak Freely with xspeakfree last night. It works well if your sound card drivers support full duplex on the card. Using GSM compression, the voice stream is only 2.0K/sec. Make sure when you compile Speak Freely, you add the -DLINEAR_NEEDED option to the makefile or your sound quality will sound like a chainsaw (95% of all Linux boxes will need this), and remove the -DHALF_DUPLEX option if your card AND DRIVER supports full duplex. Delay over my DSL to the U of MN was roughly 1 second, no jitter though. Of course, you don't get a POTS gateway if that's what you're looking for. Cisco makes some sweet IP phones now also if you're into spending some cashola. Probably cheaper than a traditional phone system, especially if you have many remote sites. If anyone's interested in messing with Speak Freely later tonight, drop me a line. I won't be able to mess with it until after 9 or so though. I still haven't set up encryption. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:52 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Telephony Stuff > > > Hi, > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Does anyone know how this internet telephony work ? > > Quite nicely, with sufficient bandwidth.. You need about a > 28.8K segment of > bandwidth to carry a high-quality full-duplex voice connection. > > I would like to know > > how expensive it is to set it up and what kind of hardware > and software > > I need. My goal is to see if I can get around the long distance > > companies to make international calls in carrier grade quality. any > > thoughts ? .... > > The best hardware solution I have seen for for dedicated VOIP > is the InterStar > IP Star by DSG technology. You need a minimum of two boxes, > at a cost of around > $200 US per box. The IP Star presents a standard 10/100 RJ-45 > UTP interface for > data, and an RJ-11C interface for an analog (POTS) telephone > device. In effect, > you can plug an old-fashioned analog telephone into this box > and place calls > across the LAN or internet by dialing the IP address of the > remote box. There > are also solutions for VOIP to landline, and vice-versa. The > management of DSG > also seems quite responsive: I phoned them about a firmware bug that I > discovered in the unit, and the software engineer literally > corrected it > on-the-fly, offering his thanks & apologies. > > I have tried the system with fax machines, and fax worked > fine across the LAN. > Lag was in the milliseconds, and voice quality was comperable > to a cordless > telephone. The only competing product that offered as much > performance was > the Multu-VOIP from Multi-Tech (made right here in good old > MN). But at 5x the > cost, the IP Star was the obvious price / performance choice. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 20 12:40:24 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] control ls --color use of colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > How can I contorl what colors ls uses for directory, links and files when > I use the ls --color option? /etc/DIR_COLORS or the environment variable "LS_COLORS". -Yaron -- From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Nov 20 13:05:46 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix Message-ID: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> Anyone ever run McAfee on a linux/Unix box? Granted, according to the documentation and realization, it really only for windows file infections on the system and samba shares. From an administrator's stand, this looks nasty to administer. One wouldn't be too bad, as you have to download and manually install the updates. But, when you're dealing with multiple servers, sheesh! Anyways, anyone running McCrappy on their servers or boxes? It's been mandated that all Unix type machines must run it here at work. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 20 13:10:25 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix In-Reply-To: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Fjorn wrote: > Anyone ever run McAfee on a linux/Unix box? I ran it on Slowaris for a while but the darn thing kept segfaulting during installation. Eventually I manged to get it to install manually and then it'd segfault on .ppt files or soemthing... it was just totally unreliable for me. -Yaron -- From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Nov 20 13:23:53 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0011201328090D.00274@Billbob_linux> Oh my! > > Anyone ever run McAfee on a linux/Unix box? MacAfee - The worst antivirus for Win32, coming to a platform near you! :) Is there any way to convince them otherwise? Why not use a modern Antivirus product like AVX (www.avp.com) instead of a backwards, broken piece of junk like Crapafee? Even Norton products would be preferable.. -- Bill Layer From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 20 13:29:49 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] control ls --color use of colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You simply need to fiddle with the LS_COLORS environment variable. It looks fairly self-explanatory: "..fi=00:di=01;ln=01..." are entries for file, directory, link... some format like 'X*=##[;##][:]'? On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > How can I contorl what colors ls uses for directory, links and files when > I use the ls --color option? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 20 13:29:49 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] control ls --color use of colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You simply need to fiddle with the LS_COLORS environment variable. It looks fairly self-explanatory: "..fi=00:di=01;ln=01..." are entries for file, directory, link... some format like 'X*=##[;##][:]'? On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > How can I contorl what colors ls uses for directory, links and files when > I use the ls --color option? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 20 13:38:20 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix References: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A197DAC.BD4D383B@ltiflex.com> I have it running away. Basically it just scans my windows drives while I'm sleeping from a cron job. Bad part is once or twice I was playing Quake 3 at that hour. I haven't updated the virus patterns in awile though. I think it should be possible to update the virus files semi-automatically. All you need to do is grab the tar file and extract it to the directory where uvscan is installed. (I double checked this by updating the the files. :) Just do this while uvscan isn't running. The command I run from cron is actually a shell script... #!/bin/sh /usr/local/uvscan/uvscan -c -d /usr/local/uvscan -p -r --summary / > /var/log/uvscan.log I should set it up to e-mail me the info, but this is just my home machine so I don't really care enough. :) Anyway, you could have it installed on one machine and just run it via nfs, or set up a rsync/cvs/ftp/whatever server and have your cronjob grab the latest patterns before scanning. Simply mirror ftp.mcafee.com/pub/datfiles/english/ (All you need to do is grap the tar file, seems they only keep one tar file in the directory at a time.) If you have Windows users mapping drives off the server, it's probally a good idea to have a virus scanner running on the server. The virus won't do anything to the server, but the Windows clients will be able to mess with files shared by the server. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Nov 20 14:56:16 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix In-Reply-To: <200011202022.OAA02831@homer.espressocom.com> References: <200011202022.OAA02831@homer.espressocom.com> Message-ID: <0011201455590H.00274@Billbob_linux> Well, > Speaking of virus software coming to linux, I seem to remember an > annoncement from Computer Associates (the fine feathered coders of > Inoculan and ArcServ) that they were working on linux ports. Does anyone > know anything about their progress? Not sure about that one, but the efforts of the Central Command (AVP/ AVX) folks in this department are the best news yet, IMO. AVX offers both scanner and daemon versions of the Linux software, and even an X frontend to the command line. For those of you unfamilair with AVX, it is far and above any other Win32 antivirus in terms of functionality, coverage, and use of resources. Imagine NAV5, but running at 20% the load. Get it for free while it lasts at : ftp://ftp.avx.com/linavx/linavx-2.0.0-i386.tar.gz -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 20 15:49:42 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix In-Reply-To: <0011201328090D.00274@Billbob_linux> Message-ID: How does the McAfee scanner detect virii? I'm assuming it has an internal database of "suspicious combinations of instructions" that it extracted from it's list of known virii, and just checks executables/files for instances of suspicious instruction combinations. I can't think of a way it would work otherwise -- please enlighten me. If this is true for DOS/Win, is it the same for Linux? I've only used virus scanners on Linux when it was an SMB server and had Windows clients using it. Does it have a database of linux virii to scan for? I always wondered how they detected virii and not just "fdisk" or "regedit". (Of course, most of Windows should raise alarms anyway) On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Oh my! > > > > Anyone ever run McAfee on a linux/Unix box? > > MacAfee - The worst antivirus for Win32, coming to a platform near you! :) > > Is there any way to convince them otherwise? Why not use a modern Antivirus > product like AVX (www.avp.com) instead of a backwards, broken piece > of junk like Crapafee? Even Norton products would be preferable.. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From adamm at sihope.com Mon Nov 20 16:10:21 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm no expert on this, but as far as I know it works something like this: the normal scan checks each file against a "signature" database. It doesn't contain any actual instructions from specific viruses, but it has a fingerprint of each virus that it can search for in files. This might be some sort of checksum, or it might be actual plaintext (well, ascii). Their is also something known as a heuristic (sp?) scan, that guesses whether a certain file is (or contains) a virus. The Heuristic scans are less forgiving and frequently flag innocent files (like fdisk). The heuristic scan looks for common virus traits, like self-replication. It used to be pretty straightforward - you search in .exe, .com, and .bat's for nasty looking code and take care of it. Nowadays Exploder will execute any damn piece of vbs code it can get it's grimy little hands on. I remember telling people 3 or 4 years ago that no, you can't get a virus simply by reading an e-mail message. Outhouse has changed all that. Thanks a lot Microsoft. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > How does the McAfee scanner detect virii? I'm assuming it has an internal > database of "suspicious combinations of instructions" that it extracted > from it's list of known virii, and just checks executables/files for > instances of suspicious instruction combinations. > > I can't think of a way it would work otherwise -- please enlighten me. > > If this is true for DOS/Win, is it the same for Linux? I've only used > virus scanners on Linux when it was an SMB server and had Windows clients > using it. Does it have a database of linux virii to scan for? > > I always wondered how they detected virii and not just "fdisk" or > "regedit". (Of course, most of Windows should raise alarms anyway) > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Oh my! > > > > > > Anyone ever run McAfee on a linux/Unix box? > > > > MacAfee - The worst antivirus for Win32, coming to a platform near you! :) > > > > Is there any way to convince them otherwise? Why not use a modern Antivirus > > product like AVX (www.avp.com) instead of a backwards, broken piece > > of junk like Crapafee? Even Norton products would be preferable.. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spaltzer at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 16:31:44 2000 From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telephony Stuff Message-ID: <20001120223144.931.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Hello, Good info and links can be found here. http://www.linuxtelephony.org/ I have used this progam under Windows, but not Linux. http://www.speakfreely.org/ Computer to computer is probably the best (only) solution for international calls. Some programs like www.DialPad.com are computer to phone solutions, but it is only serviced in the US, and under the Windows OS. My best advice, get 2 good headsets and use a computer to computer solution like Speakfreely. -Steve --- Bill Layer wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Does anyone know how this internet telephony work ? > > Quite nicely, with sufficient bandwidth.. You need about a 28.8K segment of > bandwidth to carry a high-quality full-duplex voice connection. > > I would like to know > > how expensive it is to set it up and what kind of hardware and software > > I need. My goal is to see if I can get around the long distance > > companies to make international calls in carrier grade quality. any > > thoughts ? .... > > The best hardware solution I have seen for for dedicated VOIP is the > InterStar > IP Star by DSG technology. You need a minimum of two boxes, at a cost of > around > $200 US per box. The IP Star presents a standard 10/100 RJ-45 UTP interface > for > data, and an RJ-11C interface for an analog (POTS) telephone device. In > effect, > you can plug an old-fashioned analog telephone into this box and place calls > across the LAN or internet by dialing the IP address of the remote box. There > are also solutions for VOIP to landline, and vice-versa. The management of > DSG > also seems quite responsive: I phoned them about a firmware bug that I > discovered in the unit, and the software engineer literally corrected it > on-the-fly, offering his thanks & apologies. > > I have tried the system with fax machines, and fax worked fine across the > LAN. > Lag was in the milliseconds, and voice quality was comperable to a cordless > telephone. The only competing product that offered as much performance was > the Multu-VOIP from Multi-Tech (made right here in good old MN). But at 5x > the > cost, the IP Star was the obvious price / performance choice. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From destef at destef.com Mon Nov 20 17:18:43 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mylex Acceleraid 170 In-Reply-To: <3A1965D7.3324FE31@structural-wood.com> References: <3A1939A8.7F435E1B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200011202316.RAA16871@mail.destef.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001120/b7d1735c/attachment.html From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Mon Nov 20 19:21:21 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels References: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> <3A197DAC.BD4D383B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A19CE11.BF826605@neicoltech.org> After many hours of scouring the internet trying to figure out why my linux box only recognizes only 64Mb of my 128Mb RAM, I found an article with the solution. It seems to be an issue with my mainboard (Gigabyte GA-71XE). In a post on linuxhardware.com, someone upgraded to a 2.3.99pre6 kernel and it solved the memory issue. I know enough about linux to know that 2.3.x is a beta kernel and I am willing to upgrade in order to utilize an extra 64Mb of RAM. I haven't found any good documentation on using a beta kernel. Any suggestions\cautions? btw, I've built kernels before, just not a beta one yet. I have tried many things to solve this problem: appending lines to the lilo.conf file, passing parameters to the kernel on install, and switching the DIMM chip into different slots to name a few. Thanks, Jon From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 20 18:36:05 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels Message-ID: Have you tried typing this at the LILO prompt: linux mem=128M If that works, you need to to put an append statement in /etc/lilo.conf and re-run /sbin/lilo Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Erickson [mailto:jon.erickson@neicoltech.org] > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:21 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels > > > After many hours of scouring the internet trying to figure out why my > linux box only recognizes only 64Mb of my 128Mb RAM, I found > an article > with the solution. It seems to be an issue with my mainboard > (Gigabyte > GA-71XE). In a post on linuxhardware.com, someone upgraded to a > 2.3.99pre6 kernel and it solved the memory issue. I know enough about > linux to know that 2.3.x is a beta kernel and I am willing to > upgrade in > order to utilize an extra 64Mb of RAM. I haven't found any good > documentation on using a beta kernel. Any suggestions\cautions? > > btw, I've built kernels before, just not a beta one yet. I have tried > many things to solve this problem: appending lines to the lilo.conf > file, passing parameters to the kernel on install, and switching the > DIMM chip into different slots to name a few. > > Thanks, > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 20 18:50:07 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bsidentd released! Message-ID: <3A19C6BF.FD930897@tcfreenet.org> At about 3am last night, after a few hours coding I released bsidentd 0.9 on freshmeat, a hack of nullidentd that returns a randomly generated username, rather than a constant name. Good for avoiding ban scripts on IRC... http://freshmeat.net/projects/bsidentd/ And I already got some patches in email and am working on releasing a v.0.9.1, whee... From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Mon Nov 20 19:54:30 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels References: Message-ID: <3A19D5D6.F88CF4C4@neicoltech.org> Yes, that's the first thing that I tried. Thanks tho ;) "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Have you tried typing this at the LILO prompt: > > linux mem=128M > > If that works, you need to to put an append statement in /etc/lilo.conf and > re-run /sbin/lilo > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Erickson [mailto:jon.erickson@neicoltech.org] > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:21 PM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels > > > > > > After many hours of scouring the internet trying to figure out why my > > linux box only recognizes only 64Mb of my 128Mb RAM, I found > > an article > > with the solution. It seems to be an issue with my mainboard > > (Gigabyte > > GA-71XE). In a post on linuxhardware.com, someone upgraded to a > > 2.3.99pre6 kernel and it solved the memory issue. I know enough about > > linux to know that 2.3.x is a beta kernel and I am willing to > > upgrade in > > order to utilize an extra 64Mb of RAM. I haven't found any good > > documentation on using a beta kernel. Any suggestions\cautions? > > > > btw, I've built kernels before, just not a beta one yet. I have tried > > many things to solve this problem: appending lines to the lilo.conf > > file, passing parameters to the kernel on install, and switching the > > DIMM chip into different slots to name a few. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 20 19:50:39 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels In-Reply-To: <3A19CE11.BF826605@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Jon Erickson wrote: > documentation on using a beta kernel. Any suggestions\cautions? It's pretty much the same as building a regular kernel. If you want to avoid the unstableness, 2.4.0 should be out in a month or so. In the meantime, grab 2.4.0-test10 (the latest right now) from ftp.us.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.0-test10.tar.gz Build as usual - but first read Documentation/Changes. This will point you towards any subsystems you might need to upgrade (for example, modutils and e2fs utilities). It will tell you how to check what version you have and where to get the newer versions. Other than that, make [whatever]config && make dep && make [b]zImage etc are the same. Good luck, -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Nov 20 19:56:13 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TIME Message-ID: <001120195613.202ed0f4@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I'm installing xntp on RH6.2 and am having trouble with the timezone. Ntp starts up and syncs with my server (date on both will say 19:11 at the same time), but the RH system says it's EST. If I define TZ to be "America/Chicago" (the output from tzselect), it changes to CST, but the time will shift to an hour before (server=19:11 while RH=18:11). I've tried putting "America/Chicago" in /usr/local/etc/zoneinfo/TZ, but that had no effect, so maybe I'm not understanding the purpose of that file. rpm -qf /usr/local/etc/zoneinfo says that the file is not owned by any package. Would someone please clue me in on how to get this working correctly? I'd really prefer to not reinstall at this point because of other installed things which I'd rather not have to redo. Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 01:27:54 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office 10? Message-ID: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> Ok, I sure wish I could have been at the party the night before the sales/marketing dorks at Microsoft came up with Office 10. They MUST have been totally buzzed in the morning (STILL!) to push this software model. Sheesh. http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Nov 21 02:14:36 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office 10? In-Reply-To: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, I sure wish I could have been at the party the night before the > sales/marketing dorks at Microsoft came up with Office 10. What I want to know is, ok, if I have Office "2000", isn't Office "10" a downgrade? I mean, it's like, 1990 less!!! -Yaron -- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 21 06:58:11 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office 10? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 02:14:36AM -0600 References: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001121065811.A79887@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hehe... That reminds me of the latest Panny Arcade (for those of you who don't read it, check it out): http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-11-20&res=l Gabe On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 02:14:36AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Ok, I sure wish I could have been at the party the night before the > > sales/marketing dorks at Microsoft came up with Office 10. > > What I want to know is, ok, if I have Office "2000", isn't Office "10" a > downgrade? I mean, it's like, 1990 less!!! > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 21 08:00:18 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels References: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> <3A197DAC.BD4D383B@ltiflex.com> <3A19CE11.BF826605@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <002901c053c3$627162a0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> 2.3.99pre6 is a pre 2.4 kernel. Use 2.4.0-test10. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Erickson" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: [TCLUG] linux beta kernels > After many hours of scouring the internet trying to figure out why my > linux box only recognizes only 64Mb of my 128Mb RAM, I found an article > with the solution. It seems to be an issue with my mainboard (Gigabyte > GA-71XE). In a post on linuxhardware.com, someone upgraded to a > 2.3.99pre6 kernel and it solved the memory issue. I know enough about > linux to know that 2.3.x is a beta kernel and I am willing to upgrade in > order to utilize an extra 64Mb of RAM. I haven't found any good > documentation on using a beta kernel. Any suggestions\cautions? > > btw, I've built kernels before, just not a beta one yet. I have tried > many things to solve this problem: appending lines to the lilo.conf > file, passing parameters to the kernel on install, and switching the > DIMM chip into different slots to name a few. > > Thanks, > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 21 03:28:55 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards References: Message-ID: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > >Did they stop making these or soemthign? > > I don't think so. I just wanted to see if anyone had any used ones. I > didn't want to go trek around looking for some and paying full price if I > didn't have to. Micro Center didn't have any 3com or Intel cards when I was > there yesterday. Why 3com or Intel? They're pathetically overpriced. I'm personally a fan of Linksys, they go for around $15 these days. Netgear goes for about the same, though I don't think they have the guaranteed compatibility of Linksys. You can get off brand cards with the same chipsets as Netgear for $10... The price of networking hardware these days just blows my mind... From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 17:38:27 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Why 3com or Intel? They're pathetically overpriced. I'm personally a fan > of Linksys, they go for around $15 these days. Netgear goes for about > the same, though I don't think they have the guaranteed compatibility of > Linksys. You can get off brand cards with the same chipsets as Netgear > for $10... > > The price of networking hardware these days just blows my mind... I've had the exact opposite luck; NetGear's worked everywhere I try it, and I've had nothing but compatibility problems with LinkSys.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 17:45:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck Message-ID: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> I have to say I am very disappointed at mailman's performance with sendmail. Especially qrunner and how it works. I am running sendmail with 10 queues, but it looks like mailman only userstands 1 queue. If a message is not deliverable for whatever reason, mailman puts files into a directory called qfiles. Then onces every minute a process called qrunner is invoked to walk the qfiles directory trying to re-deliver the messages. What sucks is qrunner just tries to deliver each message one at a time. If message 5 takes forever on the rcpt to: command, no other messages deliveries are attempted because qrunner sits on message 5 until it times out. I have turned the rcpt to timeout down to 2mins, but I am still constantly running 1000+ message in the qfiles directory. Anyone ideas on speeding things up? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wilson at visi.com Mon Nov 20 22:24:14 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <20001120113745.C729@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Chewie wrote: > Linux IPChains (2.2) or IPTables (2.4) is infinitely more flexible on > how you handle packet filtering, routing, and forwarding. If you feel > you would like to use this power, you can do one of two things: > > 1) Manage the port forwarding at the Linux firewall > > ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 > | > [ DSL ]--------[ Firewall ] > | > [ HUB ] > | > +-------------+-------------+ > | | > [ WEB Server] (Private Net) I think I'll take this approach. It seems like a reasonable compromise between security and convenience. I'm considering giving Coyote Linux a try for my firewall. (http://www.coyotelinux.com/) I like the idea of using a little 486 and no HD. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 21 18:00:37 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:28:55AM -0600 References: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001121180037.Q19539@ringworld.org> * Callum Lerwick [001121 17:36]: > Why 3com or Intel? They're pathetically overpriced. I'm personally a fan > of Linksys, they go for around $15 these days. Netgear goes for about The PNIC cards drop more packets under high loads. The old Tulip's were much better, but they dont make em anymore. And the 19.99$ realtek cards? well, 2x the IO of a 3com or intel. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 21 18:01:42 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 05:38:27PM -0600 References: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001121180142.R19539@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [001121 17:47]: > I've had the exact opposite luck; NetGear's worked everywhere I try > it, and I've had nothing but compatibility problems with LinkSys.. The new FA311TX cards didn't have drivers for a while until the linux network driver guy got one out, now whats his name again? Ive got two of them in my bsd box, they rule. Not horrid cards. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 21 18:08:40 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: References: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <200011220006.SAA18084@mail.destef.com> I really like the NetGear's over the Intel's. The nerwer netgears use a different chipset than what they originals did (original was a Digital 2114x). I've had a netgear point me to a faulty switch that would lose its port link for very breif periods. Under normal circumstances I never would have know it to be a problem but the tulip driver with a 2114x chip will report when the link heartbeat fails--even if only for a fraction of a second. Attention to details like this sold me on those cards. The newer ones with a different chip still uses the tulip driver but I havnt tested to see if the heartbeat sense is still there. I've had consistantly seen a bit lower performace with intel cards doing a samba file xfer from linux to 98 when compared with the netgear solution. For the average Joe there's not much of a difference but when you look at $20 vs $80 for *at worst* a comprable performing card, i choose the netgear. My .02 worth... At 05:38 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> Why 3com or Intel? They're pathetically overpriced. I'm personally a fan >> of Linksys, they go for around $15 these days. Netgear goes for about >> the same, though I don't think they have the guaranteed compatibility of >> Linksys. You can get off brand cards with the same chipsets as Netgear >> for $10... >> >> The price of networking hardware these days just blows my mind... > >I've had the exact opposite luck; NetGear's worked everywhere I try >it, and I've had nothing but compatibility problems with LinkSys.. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 21 18:08:35 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 05:45:42PM -0600 References: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001121180834.S19539@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001121 17:58]: > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? can we see your mm_cfg.py? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 21 18:15:48 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 05:45:42PM -0600 References: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001121181547.T19539@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001121 17:58]: > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? Modify: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail' and, perhaps, QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15) QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300 You might want the QRUNNER to process more messages each time if you think it can. Lastly, MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 5 *might* help. Don't know. theres some warnings around it in the confing files :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 21 18:17:06 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards Message-ID: Netgear cards usually work well for me. Tulip cards have always sucked though. I want some EEPro100 cards because the thing I'm using them for only supports those. I've always preferred 3com cards though because I've never had problems with them, and I remember most of the speed/duplex options you can pass to it. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:38 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Why 3com or Intel? They're pathetically overpriced. I'm > personally a fan > > of Linksys, they go for around $15 these days. Netgear goes > for about > > the same, though I don't think they have the guaranteed > compatibility of > > Linksys. You can get off brand cards with the same > chipsets as Netgear > > for $10... > > > > The price of networking hardware these days just blows my mind... > > I've had the exact opposite luck; NetGear's worked everywhere I try > it, and I've had nothing but compatibility problems with LinkSys.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 21 18:20:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: <200011220006.SAA18084@mail.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:08:40PM -0600 References: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> <200011220006.SAA18084@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <20001121182004.V19539@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001121 18:18]: > a samba file xfer from linux to 98 when compared with the netgear samba wasn't optimised for 98 performance :) Also, where the hell are you paying 80 dollars, I never pay more than 40. and 35 is about right. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 21 18:22:16 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: <20001121180142.R19539@ringworld.org> References: <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <200011220020.SAA18113@mail.destef.com> Donald Becker? At 06:01 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >* Nate Carlson [001121 17:47]: >> I've had the exact opposite luck; NetGear's worked everywhere I try >> it, and I've had nothing but compatibility problems with LinkSys.. > >The new FA311TX cards didn't have drivers for a while until the linux >network driver guy got one out, now whats his name again? > >Ive got two of them in my bsd box, they rule. Not horrid cards. > >-- >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > >"You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, >Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." > -Ben Folds Five > Battle Of Who Could Care Less >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 18:24:07 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20001121180834.S19539@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:08:35PM -0600 References: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> <20001121180834.S19539@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001121182407.E21209@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [001121 17:58]: > > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? > > can we see your mm_cfg.py? > # -*- python -*- # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. """This is the module which takes your site-specific settings. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 18:32:13 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm, sendmail and synchronous DNS resolution Message-ID: <20001121183213.I21209@real-time.com> Well the mailman faq says to turn off synch DNS resolution. Time for the sendmail book. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 21 18:36:21 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck Message-ID: > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? qmail + ezmlm-idx + multilog. Install the big-concurrency patch to qmail before you install it, set the concurrency to 300 or so. Multilog bypasses syslog for mail logging and takes nearly no cpu. My only bottleneck while using this setup was my nameserver couldn't keep up, so I installed djbdns and allocated 100MB of RAM to it. A list with 10,000 subscribers will go out completely in about a minute. Ezmlm will handle bounces automatically and remove them from the list. Every aspect of it is totally customizable, and it has some pretty good security options also. You can also enable a remote management over email option. You can also set it up so the lists are held in a MySQL database, of course IMHO that's just something else which could break and it's not necessary unless you have REALLY huge lists. It's definitely not straightforward to set up, but once it's working, it works great. I handle a couple million of messages per day on my setup and haven't had a problem with it for over 3 months, which was when I first set it up. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck > > > I have to say I am very disappointed at mailman's performance > with sendmail. > Especially qrunner and how it works. > > I am running sendmail with 10 queues, but it looks like > mailman only userstands > 1 queue. > > If a message is not deliverable for whatever reason, mailman > puts files into a > directory called qfiles. > > Then onces every minute a process called qrunner is invoked > to walk the qfiles > directory trying to re-deliver the messages. > > What sucks is qrunner just tries to deliver each message one > at a time. If > message 5 takes forever on the rcpt to: command, no other > messages deliveries > are attempted because qrunner sits on message 5 until it times out. > > I have turned the rcpt to timeout down to 2mins, but I am > still constantly > running 1000+ message in the qfiles directory. > > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 21 18:36:21 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck Message-ID: > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? qmail + ezmlm-idx + multilog. Install the big-concurrency patch to qmail before you install it, set the concurrency to 300 or so. Multilog bypasses syslog for mail logging and takes nearly no cpu. My only bottleneck while using this setup was my nameserver couldn't keep up, so I installed djbdns and allocated 100MB of RAM to it. A list with 10,000 subscribers will go out completely in about a minute. Ezmlm will handle bounces automatically and remove them from the list. Every aspect of it is totally customizable, and it has some pretty good security options also. You can also enable a remote management over email option. You can also set it up so the lists are held in a MySQL database, of course IMHO that's just something else which could break and it's not necessary unless you have REALLY huge lists. It's definitely not straightforward to set up, but once it's working, it works great. I handle a couple million of messages per day on my setup and haven't had a problem with it for over 3 months, which was when I first set it up. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck > > > I have to say I am very disappointed at mailman's performance > with sendmail. > Especially qrunner and how it works. > > I am running sendmail with 10 queues, but it looks like > mailman only userstands > 1 queue. > > If a message is not deliverable for whatever reason, mailman > puts files into a > directory called qfiles. > > Then onces every minute a process called qrunner is invoked > to walk the qfiles > directory trying to re-deliver the messages. > > What sucks is qrunner just tries to deliver each message one > at a time. If > message 5 takes forever on the rcpt to: command, no other > messages deliveries > are attempted because qrunner sits on message 5 until it times out. > > I have turned the rcpt to timeout down to 2mins, but I am > still constantly > running 1000+ message in the qfiles directory. > > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 18:28:08 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [barry@digicool.com: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck] Message-ID: <20001121182808.G21209@real-time.com> Here is what the developers have to say about the poor performance. ----- Forwarded message from "Barry A. Warsaw" ----- > > >>>>> "BT" == Bob Tanner writes: > > BT> I have turned the rcpt to timeout down to 2mins, but I am > BT> still constantly running 1000+ message in the qfiles > BT> directory. > > BT> Any ideas on speeding things up? > > See the FAQ question #2: > > http://www.list.org/faq.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 18:49:20 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20001121181547.T19539@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:15:48PM -0600 References: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> <20001121181547.T19539@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001121184920.A23433@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [001121 17:58]: > > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? > > Modify: > > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' > SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail' Can you comment on the warning about using this? I saw this in my research but between the security warning and it seems to hint that it's slower doing this: SECURITY WARNING: Because this module uses os.popen(), it goes through the shell. This module does not scan the arguments for potential exploits and so it should be considered unsafe for production use. For performance reasons, it's not recommended either -- use the SMTPDirect delivery module instead. > and, perhaps, > > QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15) > QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300 > > You might want the QRUNNER to process more messages each time if you > think it can. > > Lastly, > > MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 5 > > *might* help. Don't know. theres some warnings around it in the confing > files :) > -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 21 18:49:20 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20001121181547.T19539@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:15:48PM -0600 References: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> <20001121181547.T19539@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001121184920.A23433@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [001121 17:58]: > > Anyone ideas on speeding things up? > > Modify: > > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' > SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail' Can you comment on the warning about using this? I saw this in my research but between the security warning and it seems to hint that it's slower doing this: SECURITY WARNING: Because this module uses os.popen(), it goes through the shell. This module does not scan the arguments for potential exploits and so it should be considered unsafe for production use. For performance reasons, it's not recommended either -- use the SMTPDirect delivery module instead. > and, perhaps, > > QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15) > QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300 > > You might want the QRUNNER to process more messages each time if you > think it can. > > Lastly, > > MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 5 > > *might* help. Don't know. theres some warnings around it in the confing > files :) > -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Nov 21 07:56:14 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mylex Acceleraid 170 References: <3A1939A8.7F435E1B@tc.umn.edu> <200011202316.RAA16871@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <3A1A7EFE.4A58FE29@structural-wood.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: > > If I'm understanding you right I think it sounds like the boot > loader didnt get transferred to the raid partition. The boot loader > is *usually* installed on the MBR of the boot drive (/dev/hda if its > IDE). Without it, linux wont load. I dont think running lilo after > changing the boot drive will install the boot loader to the MBR > of the other drive. So when you pull your BusTek drive out you > lose your boot loader on that drive's MBR and therefore it cant > boot cause it doesnt exist on the new drive. Thanks for the reply. I had already written the MBR on the RAID, and the RAID drive boots with no other *drives* in the system. What the RAID drive won't do is boot without the BusTek card in the system. Note that the BusTek card doesn't have any drives attached to it, it is just in there for no reason (other than the fact that it magically makes the RAID array boot...). Oh, to get lilo to write to any drive, change the directive boot=/dev/sda to whatever drive you want the MBR written to. (boot=/dev/sdb, etc...) > > Unfortunately I dont know how to fix this (assuming this is your > problem). I just know that I've had problems trying to boot off > a drive that wasnt the orginal boot drive I installed to. My solution > was to never create a situation where I had that problem. :) > > Beyond that, I'm clueless. :) Hey, that's the way it oughta be... Kent > > At 11:56 AM 11/20/00 -0600, you wrote: > >OK, I bought myself a Mylex Acceleraid 170 Raid, and a couple of > >10k u160 36Mb drives and set up a RAID 1 config. I wanted to > >be able to run the same kernel I was running on other machines > >(2.2.17) and I wasn't able to find a distro that would install > >directly to the RAID array, so I installed to a SCSI drive > >attached to a BusTek KT958. After the install I fdisked the > >RAID array, made appropriate filesystems, copied the filesystems > >from the BusTek SCSI drive to the RAID array, modified lilo to > >boot from the RAID array, shut the machine off, yanked the power > >from the drive connected to the BusTek, rebooted and voila', > >I booted from the RAID array. > > > >I was feeling pretty smug until I removed the BusTek card > >from the PCI bus (which wasn't connected to any drives). > >When I did this and powered up, the LILO prompt never appeared - > >just a bunch of linefeeds (at least thats how it appeared - the > >cursor walked to the bottom of the screen, and then the > >Mainboard BIOS messages scrolled off the top). > > > >Bemused I put the BusTek card back on the PCI slot (again, > >nothing attached), powered up, and I booted from the RAID > >array without problem. > > > >Too weird for my besotted brain - anyone have any thoughts? > >Kent > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com From thouck at thouck.com Tue Nov 21 08:14:44 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office 10? In-Reply-To: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> Message-ID: As if Microsoft products didn't vaporize fast enough, now their latest excuses will be "Have you renewed your subscription this year? No? Try asking someone on Usenet." On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, I sure wish I could have been at the party the night before the > sales/marketing dorks at Microsoft came up with Office 10. > > They MUST have been totally buzzed in the morning (STILL!) to push this software > model. > > Sheesh. > > http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 21 08:27:27 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Office 10? In-Reply-To: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200011211425.IAA17678@mail.destef.com> Yeah, Office 10 is a stupid name but I've sure microsoft realized that if they are going to have new versions as often as they do that the 2000 scheme wont work..."Office 2001", "Office 2001.5", etc. errr... wait, is that a service pack or an upgrade...or both...or neither...hell i cant tell anymore.... I've been preaching the software subscription thing for big products like office (anything that sells for more than $100) for years. I'll never pay full price because it will be obsolete too soon. This is a better model for a product with a stupid name. I bought VC++4.0 years ago with my hard earned cash and by the time I got around to using it VC++5.0 was out. That time around I "borrowed" a copy (I wasnt gonna throw my money away again) and I went out and bought the big-ass 4 volume set of book for VC++5.0. By the time I got around to using that VC++6.0 was out so my books were pretty much useless. I gave up. Its a neverending cycle and software companies need to do something about it. I went to coding in Linux, less of a headache to keep up with the programming feature updates...and they're free. At 01:27 AM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >Ok, I sure wish I could have been at the party the night before the >sales/marketing dorks at Microsoft came up with Office 10. > >They MUST have been totally buzzed in the morning (STILL!) to push this software >model. > >Sheesh. > >http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 21 20:29:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman with sendmail = performance bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20001121184920.A23433@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:49:20PM -0600 References: <20001121174542.R21604@real-time.com> <20001121181547.T19539@ringworld.org> <20001121184920.A23433@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001121202901.W19539@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001121 19:04]: > SECURITY WARNING: Because this module uses os.popen(), it goes through the > shell. This module does not scan the arguments for potential exploits and so > it should be considered unsafe for production use. For performance reasons, > it's not recommended either -- use the SMTPDirect delivery module instead. Oh neat! I didn't know about that one, There shouldn't be an issue with postfix, however for speed. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 21 20:42:05 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: PII 350 and Intel EEpro100 cards In-Reply-To: <20001121182004.V19539@ringworld.org> References: <200011220006.SAA18084@mail.destef.com> <3A1A4057.B65F801@tcfreenet.org> <200011220006.SAA18084@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <200011220240.UAA18266@mail.destef.com> Netbios is netbios....how do you "optimize" it anyway? Netbios is a MS protocol which implies an MS OS. I'd assume that whoever wrote samba had in mind that it would most likely be talking to MS boxes otherwise why use it? I've been able to get up to 7.5MBytes/sec at ideal times doing big file transfers. Thats about 60-65Mbits/sec from linux to 98 with no tweaking. Thats optimized enough for me! :) Heh...as for the price, well, thats what i *used* to pay from places like CDW for Intel eepro100 cards. Havnt bought any for a long time so Im sure they've come down. Plus, when we buy at work we usually pay the traditional corporate markup cost too. So your telling me places like Best Buy are selling Intel nic's for $35? Cheers At 06:20 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >* Jason DeStefano [001121 18:18]: >> a samba file xfer from linux to 98 when compared with the netgear > >samba wasn't optimised for 98 performance :) > >Also, where the hell are you paying 80 dollars, I never pay more than >40. and 35 is about right. > >-- >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > >"You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, >Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." > -Ben Folds Five > Battle Of Who Could Care Less >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 21 20:48:21 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mylex Acceleraid 170 In-Reply-To: <3A1A7EFE.4A58FE29@structural-wood.com> References: <3A1939A8.7F435E1B@tc.umn.edu> <200011202316.RAA16871@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <200011220246.UAA18275@mail.destef.com> so for the record, if i make a root partiton on a spare drive and copy all the files over to mirror a normal drive, then set boot=/dev/hda (or whatever), run "lilo", swap the drives, and reboot my machine it will automatically boot on the new drive? In other words, setting "boot=/dev/sda" and running "lilo" is the equvilent of that question during install that askes where you would like to install the boot loader (which usually i pick /dev/sda)? Jason At 07:56 AM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >Jason DeStefano wrote: >> >> If I'm understanding you right I think it sounds like the boot >> loader didnt get transferred to the raid partition. The boot loader >> is *usually* installed on the MBR of the boot drive (/dev/hda if its >> IDE). Without it, linux wont load. I dont think running lilo after >> changing the boot drive will install the boot loader to the MBR >> of the other drive. So when you pull your BusTek drive out you >> lose your boot loader on that drive's MBR and therefore it cant >> boot cause it doesnt exist on the new drive. > >Thanks for the reply. I had already written the MBR on the RAID, >and the RAID drive boots with no other *drives* in the system. What >the RAID drive won't do is boot without the BusTek card in the system. >Note that the BusTek card doesn't have any drives attached to it, it >is just in there for no reason (other than the fact that it magically >makes the RAID array boot...). > >Oh, to get lilo to write to any drive, change the directive > >boot=/dev/sda > >to whatever drive you want the MBR written to. (boot=/dev/sdb, etc...) > >> >> Unfortunately I dont know how to fix this (assuming this is your >> problem). I just know that I've had problems trying to boot off >> a drive that wasnt the orginal boot drive I installed to. My solution >> was to never create a situation where I had that problem. :) >> >> Beyond that, I'm clueless. :) > >Hey, that's the way it oughta be... >Kent > > From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 21 21:26:26 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall followup: DNS server In-Reply-To: <20001120113745.C729@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Chewie wrote: > Linux IPChains (2.2) or IPTables (2.4) is infinitely more flexible on > how you handle packet filtering, routing, and forwarding. If you feel > you would like to use this power, you can do one of two things: > > 1) Manage the port forwarding at the Linux firewall > > ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 > | > [ DSL ]--------[ Firewall ] > | > [ HUB ] > | > +-------------+-------------+ > | | > [ WEB Server] (Private Net) As I mentioned previously, I think I'll go with this setup. What if I want to run my own DNS? Does that change things? If the 675 is getting my static IP and asigning a private IP to the firewall, how will DNS work? Will I have to buy an additional IP or two in order to act as my own primary DNS? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From andy at theasis.com Tue Nov 21 22:13:07 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall followup: DNS server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > As I mentioned previously, I think I'll go with this setup. What if I want > to run my own DNS? Does that change things? If the 675 is getting my static > IP and asigning a private IP to the firewall, how will DNS work? Will I have > to buy an additional IP or two in order to act as my own primary DNS? Well, you probably can't buy a single IP -- chances are you'll have to go with a block of 8 (a /29), 6 of which are usable. The answer to the DNS question depends on which computers will use it. If you want the world to see those names, you'll likely have to get a block of IPs to assign to the hosts that will get them (i.e., the web server in the DMZ, and anything else you put out there). Also potentially visible to the world is the exterior-facing interface of your linux firewall. But it's preferable to keep that obscure, and unnamed. The other use for DNS in your setup is on the internal, private network. If you just want computers in there to know each other, you can set up a nameserver that maps names to the LAN hosts. Of course it can also serve those hosts by performing/caching lookups on domains out in the cloud, You can come up with a mixture of these two strategies. One approach worth understanding was explained in a recent Linux Journal article (maybe 2 or 3 months ago?) Andy > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Nov 21 12:29:58 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] $200 Linux PDA? In-Reply-To: <20001121065811.A79887@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> <20001121065811.A79887@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <0011211232470C.00187@Billbob_linux> I remember reading about a under $200 b&w Linux PDA.. is this the Agenda VR3 (still to be released), or is there another product already available? http://www.agendacomputing.com/ The VR3 sounds awfully cool; kernel 2.4, XFree86, bash etc. Anyone know more? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 21 23:59:43 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall followup: DNS server Message-ID: If you want to run you own DNS server which is authoritative for your domain, it must be on a box with a public IP. You cannot put it behind a firewall that does NAT. Apparently Bind 9 was supposed to have something which would allow it to serve out responses to queries if it was being NAT'd, but I haven't heard much about it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:13 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] firewall followup: DNS server > As I mentioned previously, I think I'll go with this setup. What if I want > to run my own DNS? Does that change things? If the 675 is getting my static > IP and asigning a private IP to the firewall, how will DNS work? Will I have > to buy an additional IP or two in order to act as my own primary DNS? Well, you probably can't buy a single IP -- chances are you'll have to go with a block of 8 (a /29), 6 of which are usable. The answer to the DNS question depends on which computers will use it. If you want the world to see those names, you'll likely have to get a block of IPs to assign to the hosts that will get them (i.e., the web server in the DMZ, and anything else you put out there). Also potentially visible to the world is the exterior-facing interface of your linux firewall. But it's preferable to keep that obscure, and unnamed. The other use for DNS in your setup is on the internal, private network. If you just want computers in there to know each other, you can set up a nameserver that maps names to the LAN hosts. Of course it can also serve those hosts by performing/caching lookups on domains out in the cloud, You can come up with a mixture of these two strategies. One approach worth understanding was explained in a recent Linux Journal article (maybe 2 or 3 months ago?) Andy > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 22 00:07:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] $200 Linux PDA? Message-ID: This was on Slashdot awhile back and I think it's what you are refering to. However, http://www.pocketlinux.com has linux for both the compaq Ipaq and the "under $200" Vtech Helio, maybe the Cassiopiea now also. I haven't tried it yet though. One of the cool things about it is that programs written for it are in Java, so they will run on anything with pocketlinux, regardless of architecture. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:30 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] $200 Linux PDA? I remember reading about a under $200 b&w Linux PDA.. is this the Agenda VR3 (still to be released), or is there another product already available? http://www.agendacomputing.com/ The VR3 sounds awfully cool; kernel 2.4, XFree86, bash etc. Anyone know more? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Tue Nov 21 15:38:30 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? References: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> <20001121065811.A79887@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and running? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From drew at usfamily.net Tue Nov 21 14:59:35 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System Up Time References: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> <3A197DAC.BD4D383B@ltiflex.com> <3A19CE11.BF826605@neicoltech.org> <002901c053c3$627162a0$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> Message-ID: <3A1AE237.473282A6@usfamily.net> Is there a command that will tell you how long your system has been up and running? -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001121/f40b3807/drew.vcf From Marc.Olivier at Co.Ramsey.MN.US Tue Nov 21 15:31:28 2000 From: Marc.Olivier at Co.Ramsey.MN.US (Olivier, Marc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle 8i, MySQL and PHP Message-ID: Hello. I have a Linux machine at home, and I have SUSE up and running. However, I cannot figure out how to load Oracle 8i, PHP or how to access mySQL on my machine. I found and downloaded some directions for loading Oracle 8i, but they made no sense to me. Are there other directions or maybe even an Installfest that can be organized around these issues? I would like to be able to create and deploy an online database in a Linux environment, and I'd like to use Oracle because the name has clout in business circles. I have been able to meet some success under Windows using ASP to interact with MS Access 97 database through a web page, and I hear PHP is just as good (or better) in a Linux environment. The more I can use well, the better. Thank you for your attention to this matter. From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 22 01:37:01 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... Message-ID: <3A1B779D.F70069D7@tc.umn.edu> (slow response -- just catching up with Monday's email) The "DMZ" style setup isolates the publicly accessible server(s) from the internal network. Its advantage is that, because the server(s) are on the other side of the firewall, it's not necessary to open a potential avenue of attack on machines behind the firewall by having the firewall do port forwarding, thereby exposing services that could potentially be exploited. DNS and email servers might also be placed in the "DMZ". Putting three NIC cards in the firewall machine looks like a more secure approach, though. Cool idea! Beyond turning off telnet and web access, I hadn't really thought much about not trusting the 675. I suppose the web server itself could do some packet filtering... In any case, it's very comforting to have some decent protection. Joel Chewie wrote: > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Anyone care to contribute some thoughts on the 675 vs. Linux > firewall debate? > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:54:51AM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > > Why not use both Cisco 675 _and_ Linux firewalling? > > Actually, this suggestion is the best one to go with, although I > disagree with how Joel has implemented it; albeit slightly at best. > Under Joel's suggestion, the network would look like this: > > ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 > | > [ DSL ]------[ HUB ] > | > +--------------+ (DMZ) > | | > [ WEB Server] [ Firewall ] > | > (Private Net) > > This is not alltogether bad, but the side affect is that any > additional filtering of traffic to the web server must be accomplished > through the DSL modem. This modem has a grand total of 10 filter > rules. If you have only one static IP address allocated to you, then > you are forced to deal with the Cisco's NAT. =20 > > Linux IPChains (2.2) or IPTables (2.4) is infinitely more flexible on > how you handle packet filtering, routing, and forwarding. If you feel > you would like to use this power, you can do one of two things: > > 1) Manage the port forwarding at the Linux firewall > > ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 > | > [ DSL ]--------[ Firewall ] > | > [ HUB ] > | > +-------------+-------------+ > | | > [ WEB Server] (Private Net) > > 2) Add another network card to the firewall and have a "server" > subnet/DMZ > > ( Internet ) <#1> > | > [ DSL ] > | <#2> > [ Firewall ] > <#3> (DMZ) | | (Private Net) <#4> > +-----------+ +--------[ HUB ] > | | > [ WEB Server] ... > > Now, notice how all traffic is flowing through the firewall. This > gives you an amount of control and flexibility far beyond that which > you could achieve through the DSL modem alone. Through these > suggestions, you would need only one NAT rule at the Cisco: > forward all traffic destined for the Cisco to the firewall. > > Now, the nets #2, #3, and #4 can be configure in many different ways. > It all depends upon what your ISP has given you. If the ISP gave you > only one IP address, either static or dynamic, your DSL router must > use NAT to forward any requests to other machines. If you've received > a /30 Internet subnet, you have two "useable" IP addresses. You must > assign one to your DSL router and you have one left for your firewall. > If you're given a /29, or 6 "useable" IP addresses, you could actually > make your DMZ a bridged network off your firewall (which is something > I'm working on configuring at my house). > > Well, you have a lot of choices depending on what you've been > allocated. I personally want my Linux firewall handling the bulk of > the filtering and NAT rules, if not all of them. I simply don't trust > the Cisco, nor do I like it's limited resources. =20 > > Anyway, good luck! From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 22 00:24:37 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:38:30PM -0600 References: <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> <20001121065811.A79887@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20001122002437.B22868@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:38:30PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and > running? Is this a trick question? Try `uptime`. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 22 00:27:05 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System Up Time Message-ID: 'uptime' will do it. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:00 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] System Up Time Is there a command that will tell you how long your system has been up and running? -- If the things I say offend you then they were probably meant to do so. Andrew Nemchenko E-mail: drew@usfamily.net Work: 952-932-4081 Home: 651-681-8572 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Nov 22 00:36:29 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... References: <3A17A369.C046EF59@tc.umn.edu> <20001120113745.C729@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A1B696D.1F1B27DC@tcfreenet.org> > This is not alltogether bad, but the side affect is that any > additional filtering of traffic to the web server must be accomplished > through the DSL modem. This modem has a grand total of 10 filter > rules. If you have only one static IP address allocated to you, then > you are forced to deal with the Cisco's NAT. One thing to think about is logging. Personally, I log all rejected packets. Last I checked, cheapie dedicated firewall boxen can't log... From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 22 00:29:47 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System Up Time In-Reply-To: <3A1AE237.473282A6@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Is there a command that will tell you how long your system has been up and > running? uptime -Yaron -- From sos at zjod.net Wed Nov 22 01:08:13 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> from "Andrew Nemchenko" at Nov 21, 2000 03:38:30 PM Message-ID: <200011220708.BAA26692@zjod.net> Andrew Nemchenko asked: > > Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and > running? Yes, "uptime". It's in the procps RPM. From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 22 01:50:21 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ALSA Message-ID: Hi, Well, apparently the build-in soundcard the Tyan 2380 comes with is a piece of junk (via82cxxx or whatever), and won't play sampling rates like 44100, so I can't get sound out of MPEG files (and I just found a bunch of Tex Avery MPEGS!!!). So I think I'll give ALSA a try. Anyone here using it? with kernel 2.4.0-test* ? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 02:03:33 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail Message-ID: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> Ok, after several hours and several posts, I got mailman running close to the same speed (ok a 4 hour sample is not good enough to really says this) as ezmlm/qmail. FIRST, let me say the hardware mailman is running on is 4 times the machine I was running tclug on before, but, my goal was to get mailman running better then it use to. Ok, first, I use sendmail as the MTA, use many of you yelled at me about this and YES qmail and zmail step all over sendmail for performance. But I like sendmail for it's ability to EASILY incorporate MAPS stuff and I have been using sendmail for many years. Here is what I did to get sendmail tuned for a mailing list. I added the following to my .mc file (we all use .mc files right?!) define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') define(`confTO_INITIAL', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_CONNECT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_ICONNECT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_HELO', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_RCPT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `1h')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `30m')dnl The confTO stuff is in your README.cf file or sendmail's web site. More or less they turn down the amount of time sendmail waits for certain parts of the SMTP conversation. IMHO, the default are WAY to long. The biggest performance boost is the define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') statment. This let's sendmail look into /var/spool/mqueue for all directories (and only directories) that start with a lower case 'q'. Being an old admin, I stretched my imagination and just created 10 directories like this: # cd /var/spool/mqueue # mkdir q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 # chown root.mail q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 # chmod 755 q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 Restart sendmail and you got 10 queues ready for parallel processing. The mailq program will verify this for you. # mailq /var/spool/mqueue/q1 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q2 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q3 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q4 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q5 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q6 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q7 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q8 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q9 is empty /var/spool/mqueue/q0 is empty Total Requests: 0 Next tune your mailman mm_cfg.py file. Add the following lines: # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 # Two other qrunner resource management variables. The first controls the # maximum lifetime of any single qrunner process, and the second controls the # maximum number of messages a single qrunner process will, er, process. # Exceeding either limit causes qrunner to exit, reclaiming system resources # and deleting the lock. Other qrunners will then process the remaining # messages. Set either to None to inhibit this resource check. QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = None QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = None The SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is the most important tuning you can do. Setting it low to something like 10 really breaks the delivery up and lets sendmail parallel-process the delivery. The QRUNNER stuff just makes sure your qfiles don't get to big. This works will for me, instead of the 1000+ message in the qfiles area I am at 0 (yes zero) now and mail is flowing nicely. If you have any questions, comments let me know. Thanks. Keywords: sendmail mailman tuning FAST delivery -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 22 06:49:44 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To firewall or not to firewall... In-Reply-To: <3A1B779D.F70069D7@tc.umn.edu>; from jts@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:37:01AM -0600 References: <3A1B779D.F70069D7@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001122064944.A82845@sorry.cs.umn.edu> But you can have more than one subnet behind your firewall. One for your DMZ, and one for machines you don't want accessible from the outside. Gabe On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:37:01AM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > (slow response -- just catching up with Monday's email) > > The "DMZ" style setup isolates the publicly accessible server(s) from > the internal network. Its advantage is that, because the server(s) are > on the other side of the firewall, it's not necessary to open a > potential avenue of attack on machines behind the firewall by having the > firewall do port forwarding, thereby exposing services that could > potentially be exploited. DNS and email servers might also be placed in > the "DMZ". > > Putting three NIC cards in the firewall machine looks like a more secure > approach, though. Cool idea! > > Beyond turning off telnet and web access, I hadn't really thought much > about not trusting the 675. I suppose the web server itself could do > some packet filtering... > > In any case, it's very comforting to have some decent protection. > > Joel > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross." - John Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 22 06:50:18 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall followup: DNS server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you're in PPP mode, the router gets your static IP and then everything behind it has a private non-routable IP. So you'd have to setup a static NAT entry to forward DNS requests to the IP of the DNS server. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Chewie wrote: > > > Linux IPChains (2.2) or IPTables (2.4) is infinitely more flexible on > > how you handle packet filtering, routing, and forwarding. If you feel > > you would like to use this power, you can do one of two things: > > > > 1) Manage the port forwarding at the Linux firewall > > > > ( Internet ) 0.0.0.0/0 > > | > > [ DSL ]--------[ Firewall ] > > | > > [ HUB ] > > | > > +-------------+-------------+ > > | | > > [ WEB Server] (Private Net) > > As I mentioned previously, I think I'll go with this setup. What if I want > to run my own DNS? Does that change things? If the 675 is getting my static > IP and asigning a private IP to the firewall, how will DNS work? Will I have > to buy an additional IP or two in order to act as my own primary DNS? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 22 07:49:05 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ALSA References: Message-ID: <3A1BCED1.BCD96D8B@fandre.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > Well, apparently the build-in soundcard the Tyan 2380 comes with is a > piece of junk (via82cxxx or whatever), and won't play sampling rates like > 44100, so I can't get sound out of MPEG files (and I just found a bunch of > Tex Avery MPEGS!!!). > > So I think I'll give ALSA a try. Anyone here using it? with kernel > 2.4.0-test* ? Yea, I'm using it with my Abit, which has a via82crapxxx. It actually works pretty well. The only problem I am having is playing MP3s via esd. (both with alsa and with the default kernel OSS support.) It's a debian problem because it works fine under RH with the same kernel/modules. I'm not sure if it's an esd problem or what. Haven't had a lot of time to play with it so that's all I can tell you. Haven't tried playing MPEG files. I can try that tonight and let you know. Clay From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Nov 22 07:50:47 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mylex Acceleraid 170 References: <3A1939A8.7F435E1B@tc.umn.edu> <200011202316.RAA16871@mail.destef.com> <200011220246.UAA18275@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <3A1BCF37.7202E962@structural-wood.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: > > so for the record, if i make a root partiton on a spare drive and > copy all the files over to mirror a normal drive, then set boot=/dev/hda > (or whatever), run "lilo", swap the drives, and reboot my machine > it will automatically boot on the new drive? > > In other words, setting "boot=/dev/sda" and running "lilo" is the > equvilent of that question during install that askes where you > would like to install the boot loader (which usually i pick /dev/sda)? > > Jason I am *guessing* that that will work, although I didn't quite do it that way (for other reasons). If this doesn't work I will tell you what I did - I'm not being cagey, I just don't want to type it up when I suspect there is no reason to. Kent > > At 07:56 AM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Jason DeStefano wrote: > >> > >> If I'm understanding you right I think it sounds like the boot > >> loader didnt get transferred to the raid partition. The boot loader > >> is *usually* installed on the MBR of the boot drive (/dev/hda if its > >> IDE). Without it, linux wont load. I dont think running lilo after > >> changing the boot drive will install the boot loader to the MBR > >> of the other drive. So when you pull your BusTek drive out you > >> lose your boot loader on that drive's MBR and therefore it cant > >> boot cause it doesnt exist on the new drive. > > > >Thanks for the reply. I had already written the MBR on the RAID, > >and the RAID drive boots with no other *drives* in the system. What > >the RAID drive won't do is boot without the BusTek card in the system. > >Note that the BusTek card doesn't have any drives attached to it, it > >is just in there for no reason (other than the fact that it magically > >makes the RAID array boot...). > > > >Oh, to get lilo to write to any drive, change the directive > > > >boot=/dev/sda > > > >to whatever drive you want the MBR written to. (boot=/dev/sdb, etc...) > > > >> > >> Unfortunately I dont know how to fix this (assuming this is your > >> problem). I just know that I've had problems trying to boot off > >> a drive that wasnt the orginal boot drive I installed to. My solution > >> was to never create a situation where I had that problem. :) > >> > >> Beyond that, I'm clueless. :) > > > >Hey, that's the way it oughta be... > >Kent > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com From destef at destef.com Wed Nov 22 07:58:27 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <20001122002437.B22868@sherohman.org> References: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> <20001121012754.M28929@real-time.com> <20001121065811.A79887@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <200011221356.HAA18893@mail.destef.com> so will "w" :) At 12:24 AM 11/22/00 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:38:30PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >> Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and >> running? > >Is this a trick question? Try `uptime`. > >-- >"Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist >"So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton >Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ >!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 22 08:11:20 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ALSA References: Message-ID: <005201c0548e$16c25e60$c70b200a@FairIsaac.com> I use ALSA with my Sound Blaster PCI512 and I use the test kernels. ALSA works very well. For better than the in kernel modules for the emu10k1 chip. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:50 AM Subject: [TCLUG] ALSA > Hi, > > Well, apparently the build-in soundcard the Tyan 2380 comes with is a > piece of junk (via82cxxx or whatever), and won't play sampling rates like > 44100, so I can't get sound out of MPEG files (and I just found a bunch of > Tex Avery MPEGS!!!). > > So I think I'll give ALSA a try. Anyone here using it? with kernel > 2.4.0-test* ? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 22 08:19:35 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Make the madness stop!!! Message-ID: <3A1BD5F7.936DFFD0@fandre.com> I'm getting tons of denies on my firewall/Masq box on my DSL line which is using IPChains to filter out almost everything. I want to make it stop because it's filling up my logs. (No, I don't want to turn of logging) I'm assuming it's doing a DNS query since it's coming from port 53, but don't really know why. My firewall box is a DNS server, but only for my internal non-routable network. Anyone have any ideas? Nov 22 08:02:27 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=161 S=0x00 I=64810 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) Nov 22 08:02:27 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64811 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64812 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=161 S=0x00 I=64813 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64814 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64815 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) This has been going on for a few days now and my log files are growing. Any idea what the ch top-level domain is? Any idea what it's doing? I assume it's trying to resolve an address of mine, but I'm blocking it. Why doesn't it time out? After a little bit of investigation I find out it's a SuSe Linux box and has a LOT running. There's got to be a exploit in here somewhere... # nmap -O -sS -v -v smtp.bycom.ch Starting nmap V. 2.12 by Fyodor (fyodor@dhp.com, www.insecure.org/nmap/) Host smtp.bycom.ch (217.24.32.10) appears to be up ... good. Initiating SYN half-open stealth scan against smtp.bycom.ch (217.24.32.10) Adding TCP port 139 (state Firewalled). Adding TCP port 22 (state Open). Adding TCP port 53 (state Open). Adding TCP port 21 (state Open). Adding TCP port 25 (state Open). Adding TCP port 138 (state Firewalled). Adding TCP port 110 (state Open). Adding TCP port 80 (state Open). The SYN scan took 9 seconds to scan 1483 ports. For OSScan assuming that port 21 is open and port 38683 is closed and neither are firewalled Interesting ports on smtp.bycom.ch (217.24.32.10): Port State Protocol Service 21 open tcp ftp 22 open tcp ssh 25 open tcp smtp 53 open tcp domain 80 open tcp http 110 open tcp pop-3 138 filtered tcp netbios-dgm 139 filtered tcp netbios-ssn TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments Difficulty=2124463 (Good luck!) Sequence numbers: C11B739 C6C2B3E CCCC545 C94066C C82B80A CEBC354 Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.1.122 - 2.1.132; 2.2.0-pre1 - 2.2.2 OS Fingerprint: TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=206AAF) T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=7C38%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MENNTNW) T2(Resp=N) T3(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=7C38%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MENNTNW) T4(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T5(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=) T6(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%Flags=AR%Ops=) PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=C0%IPLEN=164%RIPTL=148%RID=E%RIPCK=E%UCK=E%ULEN=134%DAT=E) Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 14 seconds # telnet smtp.bycom.ch 25 Trying 217.24.32.10... Connected to smtp.bycom.ch. Escape character is '^]'. 220 ns1.bycom.ch ESMTP Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3; # telnet smtp.bycom.ch 110 Trying 217.24.32.10... Connected to smtp.bycom.ch. Escape character is '^]'. +OK QPOP (version 2.53) at ns1.bycom.ch starting. <24291.974902011@ns1.bycom.ch> Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:04:25 +0100 # ftp smtp.bycom.ch Connected to smtp.bycom.ch. 220 ns1.bycom.ch FTP server (Version 6.4/OpenBSD/Linux-ftpd-0.16) ready. Name (smtp.bycom.ch:): # nslookup - smtp.bycom.ch Default Server: smtp.bycom.ch Address: 217.24.32.10 > ls bycom.ch [smtp.bycom.ch] bycom.ch. server = ns1.bycom.ch bycom.ch. server = pdc.bycom.ch bycom.ch. 217.24.32.11 bycom.ch. 217.24.32.19 bycom.ch. 217.24.32.139 bycom.ch. 217.24.32.12 bsl-du-l9 217.24.32.88 bsl-bsl-dt00-loc 217.24.32.112 smtp 217.24.32.10 bsl-bsl-st00-loc 217.24.32.110 bslst00 217.24.32.145 bsl-wlf-pk00-loc 217.24.32.2 bsldt00 217.24.32.140 bslma00 217.24.32.169 bslut00 217.24.32.141 bslgs00 217.24.32.18 bslad100 217.24.32.156 bslgs01 217.24.32.21 bsl-du1 217.24.32.79 mail 217.24.32.10 bslad300 217.24.32.157 bslsh00 217.24.32.146 bslpk00 217.24.32.185 bslme00 217.24.32.154 pdc 217.24.32.11 pdc 217.24.32.139 bsltb00 217.24.32.148 bslrr00 217.24.32.150 gc._msdcs 217.24.32.139 gc._msdcs 217.24.32.11 bslpdc 217.24.32.12 ns1 217.24.32.10 bslbkp00 217.24.32.19 bsl-wl-dt00 192.168.0.111 bsl-du-l10 217.24.32.89 bsl-du-l11 217.24.32.90 bsl-du-l12 217.24.32.91 bsl-du-l13 217.24.32.92 bsl-bsl-uu00-loc 217.24.32.1 bslprt1 192.168.0.200 bsl-du-l14 217.24.32.93 bsl-du-l15 217.24.32.94 bslprt3 192.168.0.202 bsl-pdc 217.24.32.152 bsl-du-l16 217.24.32.95 bsl-du-l17 217.24.32.96 bslprt5 192.168.0.204 bslem00 217.24.32.158 bsl-du-l18 217.24.32.97 bsl-du-l20 217.24.32.99 ts00 217.24.32.15 bsl-du-l19 217.24.32.98 bsl-du-l21 217.24.32.100 bsl-du-l22 217.24.32.101 bslad200 217.24.32.153 bsl-du-l23 217.24.32.102 bsl-du-l24 217.24.32.103 bsl-du-l25 217.24.32.104 bsl-du-l26 217.24.32.105 bsl-du-l27 217.24.32.106 bsl-du-l30 217.24.32.109 bsl-du-l28 217.24.32.107 wlf-wl-pk00 192.168.0.110 bsl-du-l29 217.24.32.108 sirdir-piiid 217.24.47.40 bsl-bsl-dt00-rem 217.24.32.113 abcfs00 217.24.32.16 bslad400 217.24.32.159 bsl-bsl-mci00 217.24.32.1 bsl-wlf-pk00-rem 217.24.47.33 bsl-wl-bc00 192.168.0.100 bsl-wl-bc01 192.168.0.101 www 217.24.32.14 bslrc00 217.24.32.155 bslmf00 217.24.32.143 bsl-du-l1 217.24.32.80 bsl-bsl-me00-loc 217.24.32.111 bsl-du-l2 217.24.32.81 bsl-du-l3 217.24.32.82 bsl-du-l4 217.24.32.83 bsl-du-l5 217.24.32.84 bsl-du-l6 217.24.32.85 bsl-du-l7 217.24.32.86 bsl-du-l8 217.24.32.87 From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 22 08:27:11 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> Message-ID: > The biggest performance boost is the define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') > statment. This let's sendmail look into /var/spool/mqueue for all directories > (and only directories) that start with a lower case 'q'. > > Being an old admin, I stretched my imagination and just created 10 directories > like this: > > # cd /var/spool/mqueue > # mkdir q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > # chown root.mail q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > # chmod 755 q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > > Restart sendmail and you got 10 queues ready for parallel processing. The mailq > program will verify this for you. > > # mailq > /var/spool/mqueue/q1 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q2 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q3 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q4 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q5 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q6 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q7 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q8 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q9 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q0 is empty > Total Requests: 0 So would doing something like this for Sendmail, running Majordomo, help as well. Or should I just use bulkmailer? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 22 08:27:11 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> Message-ID: > The biggest performance boost is the define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') > statment. This let's sendmail look into /var/spool/mqueue for all directories > (and only directories) that start with a lower case 'q'. > > Being an old admin, I stretched my imagination and just created 10 directories > like this: > > # cd /var/spool/mqueue > # mkdir q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > # chown root.mail q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > # chmod 755 q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > > Restart sendmail and you got 10 queues ready for parallel processing. The mailq > program will verify this for you. > > # mailq > /var/spool/mqueue/q1 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q2 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q3 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q4 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q5 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q6 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q7 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q8 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q9 is empty > /var/spool/mqueue/q0 is empty > Total Requests: 0 So would doing something like this for Sendmail, running Majordomo, help as well. Or should I just use bulkmailer? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Wed Nov 22 08:34:04 2000 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oracle 8i, MySQL and PHP Message-ID: Oracle puts out a nice book, it's call "Oracle starter kit for linux" you can pick it up at BN. It covers simple things like creating users and get the right permissions for the install directories. It also gets more involved about ? through the book for the more advanced user. It's a good "Get me up and running book" Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> Marc.Olivier@Co.Ramsey.MN.US 11/21/00 3:31:28 PM >>> Hello. I have a Linux machine at home, and I have SUSE up and running. However, I cannot figure out how to load Oracle 8i, PHP or how to access mySQL on my machine. I found and downloaded some directions for loading Oracle 8i, but they made no sense to me. Are there other directions or maybe even an Installfest that can be organized around these issues? I would like to be able to create and deploy an online database in a Linux environment, and I'd like to use Oracle because the name has clout in business circles. I have been able to meet some success under Windows using ASP to interact with MS Access 97 database through a web page, and I hear PHP is just as good (or better) in a Linux environment. The more I can use well, the better. Thank you for your attention to this matter. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Nov 22 08:45:09 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Make the madness stop!!! In-Reply-To: <3A1BD5F7.936DFFD0@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:19:35AM -0600 References: <3A1BD5F7.936DFFD0@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001122084509.A83090@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I'd guess someone is tryng to exploit you. I'd say let it through and, on your firewall, route it to a blackhole. Gabe On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:19:35AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > I'm getting tons of denies on my firewall/Masq box on my DSL line which > is using IPChains to filter out almost everything. I want to make it > stop because it's filling up my logs. (No, I don't want to turn of > logging) I'm assuming it's doing a DNS query since it's coming from port > 53, but don't really know why. My firewall box is a DNS server, but only > for my internal non-routable network. Anyone have any ideas? > > Nov 22 08:02:27 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 > PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=161 S=0x00 I=64810 F=0x0000 > T=47 (#32) > Nov 22 08:02:27 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 > PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64811 F=0x0000 > T=47 (#32) > Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 > PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64812 F=0x0000 > T=47 (#32) > Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 > PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=161 S=0x00 I=64813 F=0x0000 > T=47 (#32) > Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 > PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64814 F=0x0000 > T=47 (#32) > Nov 22 08:02:28 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 > PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=64815 F=0x0000 > T=47 (#32) > > This has been going on for a few days now and my log files are growing. > Any idea what the ch top-level domain is? Any idea what it's doing? I > assume it's trying to resolve an address of mine, but I'm blocking it. > Why doesn't it time out? > > > After a little bit of investigation I find out it's a SuSe Linux box and > has a LOT running. There's got to be a exploit in here somewhere... > # nmap -O -sS -v -v smtp.bycom.ch > > Starting nmap V. 2.12 by Fyodor (fyodor@dhp.com, www.insecure.org/nmap/) > Host smtp.bycom.ch (217.24.32.10) appears to be up ... good. > Initiating SYN half-open stealth scan against smtp.bycom.ch > (217.24.32.10) > Adding TCP port 139 (state Firewalled). > Adding TCP port 22 (state Open). > Adding TCP port 53 (state Open). > Adding TCP port 21 (state Open). > Adding TCP port 25 (state Open). > Adding TCP port 138 (state Firewalled). > Adding TCP port 110 (state Open). > Adding TCP port 80 (state Open). > The SYN scan took 9 seconds to scan 1483 ports. > For OSScan assuming that port 21 is open and port 38683 is closed and > neither are firewalled > Interesting ports on smtp.bycom.ch (217.24.32.10): > Port State Protocol Service > 21 open tcp ftp > 22 open tcp ssh > 25 open tcp smtp > 53 open tcp domain > 80 open tcp http > 110 open tcp pop-3 > 138 filtered tcp netbios-dgm > 139 filtered tcp netbios-ssn > > TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments > Difficulty=2124463 (Good luck!) > > Sequence numbers: C11B739 C6C2B3E CCCC545 C94066C C82B80A CEBC354 > Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.1.122 - 2.1.132; 2.2.0-pre1 - > 2.2.2 > OS Fingerprint: > TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=206AAF) > T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=7C38%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MENNTNW) > T2(Resp=N) > T3(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=7C38%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MENNTNW) > T4(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) > T5(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=) > T6(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) > T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%Flags=AR%Ops=) > PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=C0%IPLEN=164%RIPTL=148%RID=E%RIPCK=E%UCK=E%ULEN=134%DAT=E) > > > Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 14 seconds > > # telnet smtp.bycom.ch 25 > Trying 217.24.32.10... > Connected to smtp.bycom.ch. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 ns1.bycom.ch ESMTP Sendmail 8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3; > > # telnet smtp.bycom.ch 110 > Trying 217.24.32.10... > Connected to smtp.bycom.ch. > Escape character is '^]'. > +OK QPOP (version 2.53) at ns1.bycom.ch starting. > <24291.974902011@ns1.bycom.ch> > Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:04:25 +0100 > > # ftp smtp.bycom.ch > Connected to smtp.bycom.ch. > 220 ns1.bycom.ch FTP server (Version 6.4/OpenBSD/Linux-ftpd-0.16) ready. > Name (smtp.bycom.ch:): > > # nslookup - smtp.bycom.ch > Default Server: smtp.bycom.ch > Address: 217.24.32.10 > > > ls bycom.ch > [smtp.bycom.ch] > bycom.ch. server = ns1.bycom.ch > bycom.ch. server = pdc.bycom.ch > bycom.ch. 217.24.32.11 > bycom.ch. 217.24.32.19 > bycom.ch. 217.24.32.139 > bycom.ch. 217.24.32.12 > bsl-du-l9 217.24.32.88 > bsl-bsl-dt00-loc 217.24.32.112 > smtp 217.24.32.10 > bsl-bsl-st00-loc 217.24.32.110 > bslst00 217.24.32.145 > bsl-wlf-pk00-loc 217.24.32.2 > bsldt00 217.24.32.140 > bslma00 217.24.32.169 > bslut00 217.24.32.141 > bslgs00 217.24.32.18 > bslad100 217.24.32.156 > bslgs01 217.24.32.21 > bsl-du1 217.24.32.79 > mail 217.24.32.10 > bslad300 217.24.32.157 > bslsh00 217.24.32.146 > bslpk00 217.24.32.185 > bslme00 217.24.32.154 > pdc 217.24.32.11 > pdc 217.24.32.139 > bsltb00 217.24.32.148 > bslrr00 217.24.32.150 > gc._msdcs 217.24.32.139 > gc._msdcs 217.24.32.11 > bslpdc 217.24.32.12 > ns1 217.24.32.10 > bslbkp00 217.24.32.19 > bsl-wl-dt00 192.168.0.111 > bsl-du-l10 217.24.32.89 > bsl-du-l11 217.24.32.90 > bsl-du-l12 217.24.32.91 > bsl-du-l13 217.24.32.92 > bsl-bsl-uu00-loc 217.24.32.1 > bslprt1 192.168.0.200 > bsl-du-l14 217.24.32.93 > bsl-du-l15 217.24.32.94 > bslprt3 192.168.0.202 > bsl-pdc 217.24.32.152 > bsl-du-l16 217.24.32.95 > bsl-du-l17 217.24.32.96 > bslprt5 192.168.0.204 > bslem00 217.24.32.158 > bsl-du-l18 217.24.32.97 > bsl-du-l20 217.24.32.99 > ts00 217.24.32.15 > bsl-du-l19 217.24.32.98 > bsl-du-l21 217.24.32.100 > bsl-du-l22 217.24.32.101 > bslad200 217.24.32.153 > bsl-du-l23 217.24.32.102 > bsl-du-l24 217.24.32.103 > bsl-du-l25 217.24.32.104 > bsl-du-l26 217.24.32.105 > bsl-du-l27 217.24.32.106 > bsl-du-l30 217.24.32.109 > bsl-du-l28 217.24.32.107 > wlf-wl-pk00 192.168.0.110 > bsl-du-l29 217.24.32.108 > sirdir-piiid 217.24.47.40 > bsl-bsl-dt00-rem 217.24.32.113 > abcfs00 217.24.32.16 > bslad400 217.24.32.159 > bsl-bsl-mci00 217.24.32.1 > bsl-wlf-pk00-rem 217.24.47.33 > bsl-wl-bc00 192.168.0.100 > bsl-wl-bc01 192.168.0.101 > www 217.24.32.14 > bslrc00 217.24.32.155 > bslmf00 217.24.32.143 > bsl-du-l1 217.24.32.80 > bsl-bsl-me00-loc 217.24.32.111 > bsl-du-l2 217.24.32.81 > bsl-du-l3 217.24.32.82 > bsl-du-l4 217.24.32.83 > bsl-du-l5 217.24.32.84 > bsl-du-l6 217.24.32.85 > bsl-du-l7 217.24.32.86 > bsl-du-l8 217.24.32.87 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ben at nerp.net Wed Nov 22 08:46:14 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> Message-ID: of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime ;) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and > running? > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 22 09:01:12 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > ;) No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so that it's more obscure to the layman. Andy > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 22 09:09:34 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, the newbies use uptime, the wannabes cat /proc/uptime, but the real geeks can look at the memory usage to see how much has leaked, do some quick math in their heads, and determine the number of seconds the system has been running. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > ;) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and > > running? > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kethry at winternet.com Wed Nov 22 09:12:08 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know I'd opt for the alias route - - speaking of - something I've always wanted to know, but never got the nerve to ask...I'm VERY familiar with editing the .login file for use on csh, tcsh, etc...but what about bash? bash doesn't seem to operate the same way and I'm so used to my customized environmnet in tcsh, it's about the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's there? Thanks, Liz On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > ;) > > No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution > with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But > perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the > ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". > This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so > that it's more obscure to the layman. > > Andy > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 22 09:11:02 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: w | head -1 | awk '{ print $3 }' is less keystrokes than "uptime" :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > ;) > > No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution > with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But > perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the > ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". > This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so > that it's more obscure to the layman. > > Andy > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 22 09:19:53 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: BASH startup (was Re: [TCLUG] UP time trivia) References: Message-ID: <3A1BE419.E2A139A4@fandre.com> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > I know I'd opt for the alias route - - > > speaking of - something I've always wanted to know, but never got the > nerve to ask...I'm VERY familiar with editing the .login file for use on > csh, tcsh, etc...but what about bash? bash doesn't seem to operate the > same way and I'm so used to my customized environmnet in tcsh, it's about > the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's > there? > > Thanks, > Liz > Use the .bash_login (or something) From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 22 09:25:23 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > w | head -1 | awk '{ print $3 }' > > is less keystrokes than "uptime" :) > Oh, I didn't mention that real geeks have a somewhat different geometric space in which they perform keystroke counting. Andy > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > > ;) > > > > No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution > > with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But > > perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the > > ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". > > This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so > > that it's more obscure to the layman. > > > > Andy > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Wed Nov 22 09:27:10 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: true, very true.. I normaly look at w output for uptime, because i'm not normaly looking for just the uptime.. I want a quick user statistic as well. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > ;) > > No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution > with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But > perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the > ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". > This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so > that it's more obscure to the layman. > > Andy > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 22 09:18:46 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00112209231303.00187@Billbob_linux> Hi Liz, > speaking of - something I've always wanted to know, but never got the > nerve to ask...I'm VERY familiar with editing the .login file for use on > csh, tcsh, etc...but what about bash? bash doesn't seem to operate the > same way and I'm so used to my customized environmnet in tcsh, it's about > the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's > there? Systemwide environment settings for any user login on any shell are in: /etc/profile In the user's home dir, two files set up the environment: ~/.profile - universal setings for any shell login, for that user ~/.bash_profile - specific to bash logins only, for that user -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From kethry at winternet.com Wed Nov 22 09:31:06 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: BASH startup (was Re: [TCLUG] UP time trivia) In-Reply-To: <3A1BE419.E2A139A4@fandre.com> Message-ID: Ok...maybe I'm being dense - I should have specified - I'm looking to set up aliases in bash. For example, in my tcsh .login file, I have the following: alias lo logout how would I do that in .bash_profile or .bash_login, etc? When I tried, it didn't work. Thanks, Liz On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > I know I'd opt for the alias route - - > > > > speaking of - something I've always wanted to know, but never got the > > nerve to ask...I'm VERY familiar with editing the .login file for use on > > csh, tcsh, etc...but what about bash? bash doesn't seem to operate the > > same way and I'm so used to my customized environmnet in tcsh, it's about > > the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's > > there? > > > > Thanks, > > Liz > > > > Use the .bash_login (or something) > > >From the bash manpage: > On login (subject to the -noprofile option): > if /etc/profile exists, source it. > > if ~/.bash_profile exists, source it, > else if ~/.bash_login exists, source it, > else if ~/.profile exists, source it. > > On exit: > if ~/.bash_logout exists, source it. > > Non-login interactive shells: > On startup (subject to the -norc and -rcfile options): > if ~/.bashrc exists, source it. > > Non-interactive shells: > On startup: > if the environment variable ENV is non-null, expand > it and source the file it names, as if the command > if [ "$ENV" ]; then . $ENV; fi > had been executed, but do not use PATH to search > for the pathname. When not started in Posix mode, bash > looks for BASH_ENV before ENV. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 22 09:34:26 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's > there? I think you put them in .profile or .bashrc" alias ls="ls -F -a --color=tty" -Yaron -- From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 22 09:44:31 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: BASH startup (was Re: [TCLUG] UP time trivia) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > Ok...maybe I'm being dense - I should have specified - I'm looking to set > up aliases in bash. For example, in my tcsh .login file, I have the > following: > > alias lo logout > > how would I do that in .bash_profile or .bash_login, etc? When I tried, it > didn't work. Try putting your aliases in the .bashrc file... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Nov 22 09:44:13 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia References: Message-ID: <3A1BE9CD.E054E585@structural-wood.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > w | head -1 | awk '{ print $3 }' > > > > is less keystrokes than "uptime" :) > > > > Oh, I didn't mention that real geeks have a somewhat different geometric > space in which they perform keystroke counting. > > Andy > No need - that was self evident when you used the space folding pipe operator. Kent From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 22 09:55:11 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The calculation is really very simple: n / p * k where: The "raw" number of keys pressed = k The number of processes invoked with the command = n The utility of the command, where 0 is useless and 1 is useful = p Therefore we see that "w" quickly approaches an infinite number of keystrokes (even though the raw keys pressed is only 1), as the utility of the output approaches 0. I estimate the utility value to be approximately .01, or 1% useful (that is 99% of the output is useless, based on character-columns over lines cubed). The calculation for the "w" command is as follows: 1 / 1 * .01 = 100 keystrokes Whereas: w|head -1|awk '{print $3}' is: 3 / 1 * 25 = .12 keystrokes This is because there are 25 necessary raw keypresses, 3 processes invoked, and the utility is 1 or 100% useful, because we only get the output absolutely necessary for what we're doing. Note that you can also modify the equation to use Ll (LoveLaces) as the utility value, p. LoveLaces are the less accurate measure of how much certain software sucks. Lovelace's theorem is that all software sucks to some degree. Solaris sucks a couple uLl, HP BrokenView sucks 5 or 6 mLl, whereas your average Microsoft software is in the order of 10 or 20 Ll. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > w | head -1 | awk '{ print $3 }' > > > > is less keystrokes than "uptime" :) > > > > Oh, I didn't mention that real geeks have a somewhat different geometric > space in which they perform keystroke counting. > > Andy > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > > > ;) > > > > > > No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution > > > with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But > > > perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the > > > ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". > > > This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so > > > that it's more obscure to the layman. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Nov 22 10:02:30 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:25:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001122100230.A10926@knicknack.net> IIRC, single quotes have a -1 effect, braces offset 2 characters and pipes negate 4 characters. All alphanumeric characters have a weight of positive 1. Be careful of characters which are not completely formed. These so-called dimple characters can cause the Supreme Court of UN*X (aka init) to rewrite the command altogether. On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:25:23AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > w | head -1 | awk '{ print $3 }' > > > > is less keystrokes than "uptime" :) > > > > Oh, I didn't mention that real geeks have a somewhat different geometric > space in which they perform keystroke counting. > > Andy > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > > > ;) > > > > > > No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution > > > with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But > > > perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the > > > ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". > > > This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so > > > that it's more obscure to the layman. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 22 10:12:10 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: BASH startup (was Re: [TCLUG] UP time trivia) References: Message-ID: <3A1BF05A.84C9AD87@fandre.com> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > Ok...maybe I'm being dense - I should have specified - I'm looking to set > up aliases in bash. For example, in my tcsh .login file, I have the > following: > > alias lo logout alias lo="logout" From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Nov 22 12:18:14 2000 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: BASH startup (was Re: [TCLUG] UP time trivia) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001122101656.00a18870@pop.mpls.qwest.net> And the syntax is alias ls='ls -al' The single quotes are needed if the alias included an embedded space Dave At 09:44 AM 11/22/2000 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > Ok...maybe I'm being dense - I should have specified - I'm looking to set > > up aliases in bash. For example, in my tcsh .login file, I have the > > following: > > > > alias lo logout > > > > how would I do that in .bash_profile or .bash_login, etc? When I tried, it > > didn't work. > >Try putting your aliases in the .bashrc file... > >____________________________ >Mike Neuharth >ADCS Technology Specialist >http://www.umn.edu/adcs > >E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu >Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com >http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ >____________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur." From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 22 10:18:13 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Make the madness stop!!! References: <3A1BD5F7.936DFFD0@fandre.com> <20001122084509.A83090@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A1BF1C5.DB540B67@fandre.com> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > I'd guess someone is tryng to exploit you. I'd say let it through and, > on your firewall, route it to a blackhole. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:19:35AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I'm getting tons of denies on my firewall/Masq box on my DSL line which > > is using IPChains to filter out almost everything. I want to make it > > stop because it's filling up my logs. (No, I don't want to turn of > > logging) I'm assuming it's doing a DNS query since it's coming from port > > 53, but don't really know why. My firewall box is a DNS server, but only > > for my internal non-routable network. Anyone have any ideas? > > Actually if I would have paid closer attention to the logs I would have notices that my system was denying return request packets from a request my machine was sending out. (Doing a tcpdump confirmed this thought.) I checked my ipchains rules and DID have a hole opened up for DNS responses, so why was it being denied? Then I looked at the error message, which contains the IPChain rule #. Nov 22 09:38:10 maddog.matrix.comp kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=17 217.24.32.10:53 64.6.191.90:1030 L=182 S=0x00 I=29240 F=0x0000 T=47 (#32) And then I found it. Rule #32: DENY all ----l- 217.0.0.0/8 anywhere n/a This used to be a IANA reserved address range, which is why I deny it. But after checking out the IANA site, I found out that it was changed in June 2000. http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/ipv4-address-space If anyone else has this rule in your firewall config you might want to remove it. From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 22 10:18:31 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:46:14AM -0600 References: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20001122101831.B23839@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:46:14AM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > ;) Nodoby asked what we _use_ for it. However, when someone asks, "How can I find my system's up time?" the correct answer _must_ be "uptime", simply for the 'your question contains the answer' factor. Personally, I don't use any of the suggested commands directly. I run wmmon on my WindowMaker dock (and have it start automatically when I go into X): 0 keystrokes! When I'm not in X, I prefer `ud -d`, which, in addition to showing current uptime, also shows my top three recorded uptimes, thusly: genma ~$ ud -d - Uptime for genma - Now : 1 day(s), 09:00:46 running Linux 2.2.16 One : 86 day(s), 11:28:48 running Linux 2.2.9, ended Thu Dec 9 11:04:35 1999 Two : 76 day(s), 14:10:15 running Linux 2.2.14, ended Thu Jun 22 08:40:56 2000 Three: 60 day(s), 21:18:25 running Linux 2.2.16, ended Mon Sep 25 16:48:41 2000 -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 22 10:20:47 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ALSA In-Reply-To: <3A1BCED1.BCD96D8B@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yaron wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Well, apparently the build-in soundcard the Tyan 2380 comes with is a > > piece of junk (via82cxxx or whatever), and won't play sampling rates like > > 44100, so I can't get sound out of MPEG files (and I just found a bunch of > > Tex Avery MPEGS!!!). Where'd you find the Tex Avery MPEGS?!?! Gotta get me some of that! Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 22 10:25:49 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McCrappy on Linux/Unix In-Reply-To: <3A19760A.B577032B@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Fjorn wrote: > Anyone ever run McAfee on a linux/Unix box? Granted, according to the > documentation and realization, it really only for windows file > infections on the system and samba shares. From an administrator's > stand, this looks nasty to administer. One wouldn't be too bad, as you > have to download and manually install the updates. But, when you're > dealing with multiple servers, sheesh! > > Anyways, anyone running McCrappy on their servers or boxes? It's been > mandated that all Unix type machines must run it here at work. Isn't that enough reason to quit? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 22 10:35:14 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <20001122101831.B23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Personally, I don't use any of the suggested commands directly. I run wmmon > on my WindowMaker dock (and have it start automatically when I go into X): 0 > keystrokes! Aw, man -- you're in X. Doesn't that handicap your Geek Quotient by a fairly large factor? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 22 10:48:13 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:35:14AM -0600 References: <20001122101831.B23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001122104813.D23839@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:35:14AM -0600, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Aw, man -- you're in X. Doesn't that handicap your Geek Quotient by a > fairly large factor? Hell, no! X lets me have three or four shells visible at a time, with two instances of mutt hiding behind them (you can have my xterms when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers), and WindowMaker lets me dock a crapload of blinkenlights as well. Some of them are actually useful. Now, if I ran GNOME, KDE, or one of those Windows-wannabe window managers, _that_ would be non-geeky. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 10:48:52 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:27:11AM -0600 References: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001122104852.A30693@real-time.com> Quoting mjn (mjn@umn.edu): > So would doing something like this for Sendmail, running Majordomo, help > as well. Or should I just use bulkmailer? The multiple queue thing will give performance boost to any mailserver. You just need to make sure that majordomo will split the delivery list up into chunck so that sendmail and split amoungst multiple queues. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 10:48:52 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:27:11AM -0600 References: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001122104852.A30693@real-time.com> Quoting mjn (mjn@umn.edu): > So would doing something like this for Sendmail, running Majordomo, help > as well. Or should I just use bulkmailer? The multiple queue thing will give performance boost to any mailserver. You just need to make sure that majordomo will split the delivery list up into chunck so that sendmail and split amoungst multiple queues. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Nov 22 10:59:26 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: <20001122104852.A30693@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:48:52AM -0600 References: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> <20001122104852.A30693@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001122105925.A19539@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001122 10:57]: > that sendmail and split amoungst multiple queues. Or just use postfix. *smirk* -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Nov 22 11:06:06 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000201c054a6$809f9420$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') > define(`confTO_INITIAL', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_CONNECT', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_ICONNECT', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_HELO', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_RCPT', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `1h')dnl > define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `30m')dnl > > The biggest performance boost is the define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') > statment. This let's sendmail look into /var/spool/mqueue for all directories > (and only directories) that start with a lower case 'q'. > > Being an old admin, I stretched my imagination and just created 10 directories > like this: > > # cd /var/spool/mqueue > # mkdir q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > # chown root.mail q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > # chmod 755 q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > What version of sendmail are you running? Mine doesn't seem to like the multiple queues trick -- it complains that it "cannot chdir(/var/spool/mqueue/q*): No such file or directory"... I'm wondering if I should upgrade or if there's something I've overlooked. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 11:19:59 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: <000201c054a6$809f9420$650aa8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:06:06AM -0600 References: <20001122020333.A8067@real-time.com> <000201c054a6$809f9420$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20001122111959.B26100@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Hillman (ehillman@cccu.com): > What version of sendmail are you running? Mine doesn't seem to like the > multiple queues trick -- it complains that it "cannot > chdir(/var/spool/mqueue/q*): No such file or directory"... I'm wondering if I > should upgrade or if there's something I've overlooked. 8.11.1 I can put up redhat rpm's if anyone wishes. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 11:56:54 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <20001122104813.D23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Hell, no! X lets me have three or four shells visible at a time, with two > instances of mutt hiding behind them (you can have my xterms when you pry > them from my cold, dead fingers), and WindowMaker lets me dock a crapload > of blinkenlights as well. Some of them are actually useful. > > Now, if I ran GNOME, KDE, or one of those Windows-wannabe window managers, > _that_ would be non-geeky. windowmaker *drool* actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). everyone else, gnome.. *sigh* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 22 12:06:13 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > windowmaker *drool* > > actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window > manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). Actually, FVWM gets more geek points than WindowMaker by virtue of being older - the geek is giving up the newfangled ideas of possible comfort for something he or she knows how to hack like the back of their hand. That said, I switched from FVWM to WindowMaker like 4 years ago (: Had a hacked-up version of FvwmTaskBar that had an extra app area instead of the Start button and knew my mail was in $HOME/Mailbox (; -Yaron -- From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 22 12:17:28 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Windowmaker and FVWM(2?) are all fine and dandy, but you're not a man until you use twm :) I use Gnome+E for the blinky stuff to show off to non-Linux users (works to convert a couple already), but I'm using WM right now. It doesn't eat into my RAM as deep as E did. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Hell, no! X lets me have three or four shells visible at a time, with two > > instances of mutt hiding behind them (you can have my xterms when you pry > > them from my cold, dead fingers), and WindowMaker lets me dock a crapload > > of blinkenlights as well. Some of them are actually useful. > > > > Now, if I ran GNOME, KDE, or one of those Windows-wannabe window managers, > > _that_ would be non-geeky. > > windowmaker *drool* > > actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window > manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). > > everyone else, gnome.. *sigh* > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 12:22:18 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:56:54AM -0600 References: <20001122104813.D23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001122122218.B26071@real-time.com> > windowmaker *drool* > > actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window > manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). FVWM2 all the way! :) I run a somewhat more minimal layout than these: http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ but never let it be said that FVWM has to be dull. :) I once met Linus himself at a convention; and when I asked him what window manager he used on his 8-processor Xeon, he told the auditorium (of newbies) "It's one you probaby haven't heard of, it's called fvwm2." so I guess I'm in good company. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 12:40:16 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Make the madness stop!!! In-Reply-To: <3A1BD5F7.936DFFD0@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:19:35AM -0600 References: <3A1BD5F7.936DFFD0@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001122124016.C26071@real-time.com> > Any idea what the ch top-level domain is? Switzerland. 'Confederation Helvetica' (I think). hence the 'CH' country stickers on Swiss cars in Europe. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 22 12:56:54 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Make the madness stop!!! In-Reply-To: <20001122124016.C26071@real-time.com> Message-ID: These derive from ISO-3166, e.g., see http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/codlstp1/en_listp1.html There's not a perfect mapping between those Alpha-2 code elements and Internet ccTLDs, but it's at least 90% correct. Andy On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Any idea what the ch top-level domain is? > > Switzerland. 'Confederation Helvetica' (I think). hence the 'CH' country > stickers on Swiss cars in Europe. > > Carl Soderstrom. > From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 13:03:00 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 12:06:13PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001122130300.A6215@real-time.com> > Actually, FVWM gets more geek points than WindowMaker by virtue of being > older - the geek is giving up the newfangled ideas of possible comfort for > something he or she knows how to hack like the back of their hand. I experimented with a wide variety of window managers/desktop environments at various times; twm, fvwm, fvwm2, aewm, olwm, olvwm, CDE, larswm (about as mimimal as it gets), wm2, kdm/KDE, sawfish/GNOME, enlightenment/GNOME, plain enlightenment, Windowmaker, AfterStep, xfce, and fvwm95. I keep coming back to FVWM2 because it will do almost everything that's important to me (customize button function & layout, notably); and like Yaron said, I know how to make it do what I want. It's lacking a few nice features (GNOME integration, remembering window placement, keeping transient windows on top by default); but the 2.4 release (Real Soon Now...) should fix all that. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Nov 22 13:07:50 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <20001122130300.A6215@real-time.com> Message-ID: Mmmmm, AfterStep. Looks purty, _and_ you configure it by modifying lots of little text files. What more could you ask for? Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Actually, FVWM gets more geek points than WindowMaker by virtue of being > > older - the geek is giving up the newfangled ideas of possible comfort for > > something he or she knows how to hack like the back of their hand. > > I experimented with a wide variety of window managers/desktop environments > at various times; twm, fvwm, fvwm2, aewm, olwm, olvwm, CDE, larswm (about as > mimimal as it gets), wm2, kdm/KDE, sawfish/GNOME, enlightenment/GNOME, plain > enlightenment, Windowmaker, AfterStep, xfce, and fvwm95. > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 22 13:09:14 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] window managers (was: UP time?) Message-ID: > windowmaker *drool* > > actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window > manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). I used fvwm and fvwm2 up until about the time Windowmaker became usable. However, I've recently switched to Sawfish + Gnome because I miss the nice edge flipping virtual desktop that I had with fvwm. Plus, I don't have to edit several hundred lines of config to make changes like I did with fvwm. Fvwm is sweet, but sawfish + gnome is way more convenient. Plus, I still get to qualify as the biggest geek in the office because everyone else is on windows 2000. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:22 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UP time? > > > > windowmaker *drool* > > > > actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window > > manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). > > FVWM2 all the way! :) > > I run a somewhat more minimal layout than these: > http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ > but never let it be said that FVWM has to be dull. :) > > I once met Linus himself at a convention; and when I asked > him what window > manager he used on his 8-processor Xeon, he told the > auditorium (of newbies) > "It's one you probaby haven't heard of, it's called fvwm2." > > so I guess I'm in good company. :) > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 13:09:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: 'ud' (was: Re: [TCLUG] UP time?) In-Reply-To: <20001122101831.B23839@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:18:31AM -0600 References: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> <20001122101831.B23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001122130904.C6215@real-time.com> > When I'm not in X, I prefer `ud -d`, which, in addition to showing current > uptime, also shows my top three recorded uptimes, thusly: > > genma ~$ ud -d > - Uptime for genma - > Now : 1 day(s), 09:00:46 running Linux 2.2.16 > One : 86 day(s), 11:28:48 running Linux 2.2.9, ended Thu Dec 9 11:04:35 1999 > Two : 76 day(s), 14:10:15 running Linux 2.2.14, ended Thu Jun 22 08:40:56 2000 > Three: 60 day(s), 21:18:25 running Linux 2.2.16, ended Mon Sep 25 16:48:41 2000 what set of utilities does that come with? on my system, 'ud' is an LDAP query tool. man ud yields: UD(1) UD(1) NAME ud - interactive LDAP Directory Server query program SYNOPSIS ud [-Dv] [-s server] [-d debug-mask] [-l ldap-debug-mask] [-f file] ........ Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 22 13:18:02 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:26 2005 Subject: 'ud' (was: Re: [TCLUG] UP time?) In-Reply-To: <20001122130904.C6215@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:09:04PM -0600 References: <3A1AEB56.D37FAEA8@usfamily.net> <20001122101831.B23839@sherohman.org> <20001122130904.C6215@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001122131802.L23839@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:09:04PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > When I'm not in X, I prefer `ud -d`, which, in addition to showing current > > uptime, also shows my top three recorded uptimes, thusly: > > > > genma ~$ ud -d > > - Uptime for genma - > > Now : 1 day(s), 09:00:46 running Linux 2.2.16 > > One : 86 day(s), 11:28:48 running Linux 2.2.9, ended Thu Dec 9 11:04:35 1999 > > Two : 76 day(s), 14:10:15 running Linux 2.2.14, ended Thu Jun 22 08:40:56 2000 > > Three: 60 day(s), 21:18:25 running Linux 2.2.16, ended Mon Sep 25 16:48:41 2000 > > what set of utilities does that come with? on my system, 'ud' is an LDAP > query tool. Under Debian, there's a 'ud' package, which is where I got it. Looks like freshmeat has it under the name "Updee"; the output has identical content, but Updee looks more HTML-centric in its output. (My ud has an HTML output mode for putting your stats on the web, but I've never used it.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 22 13:36:43 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP3 Message-ID: Two questions: is there an RPM of PHP4 available for Redhat 6.1 yet? i checked rpmfind and came up with nothing. I am trying to install php-3.0.17-1.6.1.i386.rpm and, although the rpm installs without any complaints, when I restart httpd i get this: Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 247 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp3.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/libphp3.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif Anyone know what might be wrong? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From kethry at winternet.com Wed Nov 22 13:42:33 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: was just looking at php this morning - can you use the CVS tree to update to PHP4? there's more info available than I can remember at http://www.php.net Liz On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, mjn wrote: > Two questions: is there an RPM of PHP4 available for Redhat 6.1 yet? i > checked rpmfind and came up with nothing. > > I am trying to install php-3.0.17-1.6.1.i386.rpm and, although the rpm > installs without any complaints, when I restart httpd i get this: > > Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 247 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp3.so into > server: /etc/httpd/modules/libphp3.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif > > > Anyone know what might be wrong? > > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 22 13:43:45 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] window managers (was: UP time?) References: Message-ID: <3A1C21F1.CE0AC374@fandre.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > windowmaker *drool* > > > > actually, i'm the only one here at real-time using the manly window > > manager.. well, 'cept carl, he's using FVWM, so that counts :). > > I used fvwm and fvwm2 up until about the time Windowmaker became usable. > However, I've recently switched to Sawfish + Gnome because I miss the nice > edge flipping virtual desktop that I had with fvwm. Plus, I don't have to > edit several hundred lines of config to make changes like I did with fvwm. > Fvwm is sweet, but sawfish + gnome is way more convenient. Plus, I still > get to qualify as the biggest geek in the office because everyone else is on > windows 2000. > Why not use fvwm2 w/ gnome. Best of both worlds. The latest fvwm2 (2.3?) is gnome aware. From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Nov 22 13:46:09 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c054bc$dc98cc40$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > Anyone know what might be wrong? > I'd really suggest building PHP yourself. It's pretty easy, as these things go. The problem is that PHP has about a billion addons that you need to have libs for. The build in the RPM probably doesn't have libGD installed, or has the wrong version (you may have the pre-GIF-lawsuit libgd.so, while it expects the PNG-oriented libgd.a, or vice versa.) As I recall, the RPM version doesn't do LDAP, MySQL, PDFs, or any of the other fun things that really make PHP worth having. -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com From mend0070 at UMN.EDU Wed Nov 22 13:48:51 2000 From: mend0070 at UMN.EDU (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? Message-ID: <200011221948.NAA08542@www5.software.umn.edu> On 22 Nov 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Hell, no! X lets me have three or four shells visible at a time, with two > instances of mutt hiding behind them (you can have my xterms when you pry > them from my cold, dead fingers), and WindowMaker lets me dock a crapload > of blinkenlights as well. Some of them are actually useful. Phht. My reply is one word: screen. No, I'm not really making fun of X, but one of the things that made me a Linux convert in the first place is that I find that for most *work*, a GUI is nothin' but a way to spend time faster. I still get a bigger thrill from using color text in 80 column mode than widget this or that -- so this Thanksgivng, I'm greatful for text mode! Cheers, Phil From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Wed Nov 22 13:58:58 2000 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd Message-ID: I have a friend that forgot his root password on rh 6.2 box. can someone tell me how to get back into the box under root Thanks From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Nov 22 14:05:06 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Rodney Ray wrote: > I have a friend that forgot his root password on rh 6.2 box. can someone tell me how to get back into the box under root My Crystal Ball tells me that his password is... "1q2w3e"!!! Actually, at LILO: go "linux init=/bin/bash", then mount -oremount -orw / Then you can vi /etc/shadow and blank the password, then mount -oremount -oro / anreboot. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Wed Nov 22 14:09:59 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you are lucky.. most OS's would require booting off an install disk.. linux can be hacked from console tho.. tho you have to reboot at the lilo prompt: LILO boot: linux 1 that should bring you up in single user mode.. if it asks for a password, you are going to have to reboot and edit /etc/shadow manualy LILO boot: linux init=/bin/bash rw when booted to # prompt, you can vi /etc/shadow, remove the root password, save then mount -o remout,ro / then halt the box. 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On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Rodney Ray wrote: > I have a friend that forgot his root password on rh 6.2 box. can someone tell me how to get back into the box under root > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mkroska at readynetgo.com Wed Nov 22 14:11:51 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ooh ooh...this was a test question in the Linux class I teach...about 1/2 got it right. reboot the machine at the LILO: prompt, type "linux 1" it will boot in single user mode, not passwd needed when you get a prompt, type passwd and enter the new passwd >>>important step...remember the new passwd /sbin/shutdown -r now login as root with new passwd MK On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Rodney Ray wrote: > I have a friend that forgot his root password on rh 6.2 box. can someone tell me how to get back into the box under root > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 22 15:08:59 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VA order fullfillment? Message-ID: <20001122150859.I12258@real-time.com> Anyone else having problem with VA and order fullfillment? I have been waiting 1 month 6 days for a box. I just met with a client and they cannot even get anyone to take an order. THIS really scares me. What can be said about a business when you have money in your hand and no one will to take your order. Anyone else having problems? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 22 15:10:05 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:11:51PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:11:51PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > Ooh ooh...this was a test question in the Linux class I teach...about 1/2 > got it right. > > reboot the machine > at the LILO: prompt, type "linux 1" > it will boot in single user mode, not passwd needed Don't bet on it. The default Debian install requires the root password to boot into single-user mode. init=/bin/bash gives you a slightly less convenient environment, but it's a good deal more likely to work. (There are also BIOS passwords, LILO passwords, and a few other things which can still complicate matters on a well-secured box.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 22 15:23:03 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VA order fullfillment? In-Reply-To: <20001122150859.I12258@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:08:59PM -0600 References: <20001122150859.I12258@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001122152303.A3173@socrates> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:08:59PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Anyone else having problem with VA and order fullfillment? Yup, we ordered a rack of 16 2U SMP machines and it took them 3.5 months. And when it got here, it took the VA Rep 3 days to get it up and running. > >I have been waiting 1 month 6 days for a box. > >I just met with a client and they cannot even get anyone to take an order. THIS >really scares me. What can be said about a business when you have money in your >hand and no one will to take your order. > >Anyone else having problems? > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001122/825aebf2/attachment.pgp From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Nov 22 15:35:13 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VA order fullfillment? References: <20001122150859.I12258@real-time.com> <20001122152303.A3173@socrates> Message-ID: <3A1C3C11.844A1811@structural-wood.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:08:59PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Anyone else having problem with VA and order fullfillment? > > Yup, we ordered a rack of 16 2U SMP machines and it took them 3.5 months. And > when it got here, it took the VA Rep 3 days to get it up and running. > > > > >I have been waiting 1 month 6 days for a box. > > > >I just met with a client and they cannot even get anyone to take an order. THIS > >really scares me. What can be said about a business when you have money in your > >hand and no one will to take your order. > > > >Anyone else having problems? > > > I ordered a basic VA Linux system last year and it took a little over a month to arrive. From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Nov 22 16:11:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd References: Message-ID: <3A1C44A8.6E9F4C57@tcfreenet.org> > at the LILO: prompt, type "linux 1" You can also do "linux single" and not have to remember numbers. :P From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 16:22:27 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:10:05PM -0600 References: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001122162227.A27302@yahoo.com> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:10:05PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:11:51PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > Ooh ooh...this was a test question in the Linux class I teach...about 1/2 > > got it right. > > > > reboot the machine > > at the LILO: prompt, type "linux 1" > > it will boot in single user mode, not passwd needed > > Don't bet on it. The default Debian install requires the root password to > boot into single-user mode. > > init=/bin/bash gives you a slightly less convenient environment, but it's a > good deal more likely to work. (There are also BIOS passwords, LILO > passwords, and a few other things which can still complicate matters on a > well-secured box.) > Actually, on Redhat there is no password for single-user mode. At least there wasn't on 6.0. One of the (many) reasons I switched to debian. Having no password on single-user mode is just plain wrong. > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Nov 22 16:14:22 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd References: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A1C453E.CDDDE8A2@tcfreenet.org> > Don't bet on it. The default Debian install requires the root password to > boot into single-user mode. > > init=/bin/bash gives you a slightly less convenient environment, but it's a > good deal more likely to work. (There are also BIOS passwords, LILO > passwords, and a few other things which can still complicate matters on a > well-secured box.) Oh yeah, I did this on a slackware box before. You do indeed need "init=/bin/sh" to get past any passwords. Or an emergency boot disk, mount root and edit /etc/shadow. ;) From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Nov 22 16:55:08 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? References: Message-ID: <3A1C4ECC.58D80F37@tcfreenet.org> Michael Vieths wrote: > > Mmmmm, AfterStep. > > Looks purty, _and_ you configure it by modifying lots of little text > files. What more could you ask for? I think its time for another gratuitous screenshot. http://seg.perkinz.org/random/screen3.jpg A true geek of course only has to glance over at the gkrellm running on the third monitor to get his uptime... From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 22 16:49:26 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: <3A1C453E.CDDDE8A2@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 04:14:22PM -0600 References: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> <3A1C453E.CDDDE8A2@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001122164925.A3579@socrates> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 04:14:22PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> Don't bet on it. The default Debian install requires the root password to >> boot into single-user mode. Tom's Root/Boot is the equivalent of a bazooka in this instace. All HAIL TOM! >> >> init=/bin/bash gives you a slightly less convenient environment, but it's a >> good deal more likely to work. (There are also BIOS passwords, LILO >> passwords, and a few other things which can still complicate matters on a >> well-secured box.) > >Oh yeah, I did this on a slackware box before. You do indeed need >"init=/bin/sh" to get past any passwords. Or an emergency boot disk, >mount root and edit /etc/shadow. ;) >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean what good is a firewall if someone can walk up to a box and stick a floppy in and reboot and have root. In reality if someone can reboot and do linux single they can probably stick in a boot disk just the same. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001122/cb5c1d24/attachment.pgp From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 17:34:37 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: <20001122165058.B3579@socrates>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 04:50:59PM -0600 References: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> <20001122162227.A27302@yahoo.com> <20001122165058.B3579@socrates> Message-ID: <20001122173437.A27381@yahoo.com> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 04:50:59PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 04:22:27PM -0600, Tim Sandquist wrote: > > > >Actually, on Redhat there is no password for single-user mode. At least there > >wasn't on 6.0. One of the (many) reasons I switched to debian. Having no > >password on single-user mode is just plain wrong. > > > This is a security issue, as is the physical security of a box. I mean what > good is a firewall if someone can walk up to a box and stick a floppy in and > reboot and have root. In reality if someone can reboot and do linux single > they can probably stick in a boot disk just the same. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Good point From destef at destef.com Wed Nov 22 17:20:48 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200011222318.RAA19566@mail.destef.com> No, the real geek would cat /proc/stat, take the cpu times, add them together, divide by 100 to get seconds of uptime, divide by 60 to get mins, divide by.... Or alias "w" to "cat /proc/net/dev; vmstat; w" for a lazy way to watch some system stats quickly. Im not gonna say if I do that or not.... At 09:01 AM 11/22/00 -0600, you wrote: >> of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime >> ;) > >No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution >with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But >perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the >ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". >This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so >that it's more obscure to the layman. > >Andy > >> Thank You, >> Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Nov 22 17:27:17 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd References: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> <20001122162227.A27302@yahoo.com> <20001122165058.B3579@socrates> Message-ID: <3A1C5655.A54FB984@tcfreenet.org> > This is a security issue, as is the physical security of a box. I mean what > good is a firewall if someone can walk up to a box and stick a floppy in and > reboot and have root. In reality if someone can reboot and do linux single > they can probably stick in a boot disk just the same. But you can* lock down the console. Set up the BIOS to not boot from removable media, password the BIOS to keep people from changing that, rip out all removable media, and password lilo as well. Now, what happens when fsck happens to fail, leaving it in single user mode? Do you have a weak link in your security or not? From destef at destef.com Wed Nov 22 17:22:24 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time trivia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200011222320.RAA19571@mail.destef.com> edit /etc/bashrc for global settings and ~/.bashrc for user settings. At 09:12 AM 11/22/00 -0600, you wrote: > >I know I'd opt for the alias route - - > >speaking of - something I've always wanted to know, but never got the >nerve to ask...I'm VERY familiar with editing the .login file for use on >csh, tcsh, etc...but what about bash? bash doesn't seem to operate the >same way and I'm so used to my customized environmnet in tcsh, it's about >the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's >there? > >Thanks, >Liz > >On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > >> > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime >> > ;) >> >> No, I think the *real* geek would think of that, but opt for the solution >> with fewer keystrokes. Geek would instead go for the letter "w". But >> perhaps the excessive output would be deemed undesirable, and so the >> ultimate result would be along the lines of creating "alias u = 'uptime'". >> This has the added advantage of customizing one's personal environment so >> that it's more obscure to the layman. >> >> Andy >> >> > Thank You, >> > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >-- >Imagination is intelligence having fun... >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Wed Nov 22 17:25:19 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: BASH startup (was Re: [TCLUG] UP time trivia) In-Reply-To: References: <3A1BE419.E2A139A4@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200011222323.RAA19588@mail.destef.com> if you put "alias w="cat /proc/net/dev; vmstat; w" in /etc/bashrc then every user gets that alias. put in in ~/.bashrc and the respective user gets the alias. At 09:31 AM 11/22/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Ok...maybe I'm being dense - I should have specified - I'm looking to set >up aliases in bash. For example, in my tcsh .login file, I have the >following: > >alias lo logout > >how would I do that in .bash_profile or .bash_login, etc? When I tried, it >didn't work. > >Thanks, >Liz > >On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > >> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: >> > >> > I know I'd opt for the alias route - - >> > >> > speaking of - something I've always wanted to know, but never got the >> > nerve to ask...I'm VERY familiar with editing the .login file for use on >> > csh, tcsh, etc...but what about bash? bash doesn't seem to operate the >> > same way and I'm so used to my customized environmnet in tcsh, it's about >> > the ONLY reason I haven't played much with bash. how do you set up alias's >> > there? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Liz >> > >> >> Use the .bash_login (or something) >> >> >From the bash manpage: >> On login (subject to the -noprofile option): >> if /etc/profile exists, source it. >> >> if ~/.bash_profile exists, source it, >> else if ~/.bash_login exists, source it, >> else if ~/.profile exists, source it. >> >> On exit: >> if ~/.bash_logout exists, source it. >> >> Non-login interactive shells: >> On startup (subject to the -norc and -rcfile options): >> if ~/.bashrc exists, source it. >> >> Non-interactive shells: >> On startup: >> if the environment variable ENV is non-null, expand >> it and source the file it names, as if the command >> if [ "$ENV" ]; then . $ENV; fi >> had been executed, but do not use PATH to search >> for the pathname. When not started in Posix mode, bash >> looks for BASH_ENV before ENV. >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >-- >Imagination is intelligence having fun... >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 22 17:47:44 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: <3A1C5655.A54FB984@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 05:27:17PM -0600 References: <20001122151005.M23839@sherohman.org> <20001122162227.A27302@yahoo.com> <20001122165058.B3579@socrates> <3A1C5655.A54FB984@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001122174743.B4022@socrates> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 05:27:17PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >But you can* lock down the console. Set up the BIOS to not boot from >removable media, password the BIOS to keep people from changing that, >rip out all removable media, and password lilo as well. > This is what I meant by physical security, precisely why JUST a passworded linux single isn't enough. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. worl: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001122/ebbab132/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 22 17:51:18 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fast ethernet Message-ID: <20001122175118.B5121@sherohman.org> UPS brought me a new Linksys 10/100 switch today, so I switched everything over from my old 10 Mbps hub to the new switch. Naturally, it wasn't that easy... One machine (my main workstation, of course) didn't show a network connection. I tried another port on the switch. I tried another cable. I even tried reading the switch's manual. No clues. Then I checked dmesg on the helpless machine and found: eth0: 3Com 3c905 Boomerang 100baseT4 at... The switch is 10BaseT/100BaseTX. I assume that 100BaseT4 is an incompatible fast ether standard that lost out to TX. Right now, I've got it working by running the Boomerang into the 10M hub and uplinking that to the switch, but I don't like it. Is there any way that I can get this card to work (even if only at 10Mbps) when connected directly to the switch, or is this arrangement the best I'm going to be able to do? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From destef at destef.com Wed Nov 22 17:54:19 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <200011221948.NAA08542@www5.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200011222352.RAA19609@mail.destef.com> Im on this bandwagon...text mode all the way. I hate screwing with X and the right video hardware especially when you want to breath life into an old 486 or somthing. I use win98 for my GUI to do all the windows crap-apps and telnet to my linux boxes. If you are comfortable with a CLI then it doesnt matter if your on the box or dialed over a 9600 baud modem from India, you get the same funtionality. That to me makes a powerful system. Plus, GUI's are toys 90% of the time...ncurses lib all the way!!! :) Cheers!! At 01:48 PM 11/22/00 -0600, you wrote: >On 22 Nov 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >> Hell, no! X lets me have three or four shells visible at a time, with >two >> instances of mutt hiding behind them (you can have my xterms when you pry >> them from my cold, dead fingers), and WindowMaker lets me dock a crapload >> of blinkenlights as well. Some of them are actually useful. > >Phht. My reply is one word: screen. > >No, I'm not really making fun of X, but one of the things that made me a >Linux convert in the first place is that I find that for most *work*, a GUI >is nothin' but a way to spend time faster. I still get a bigger thrill >from using color text in 80 column mode than widget this or that -- so this >Thanksgivng, I'm greatful for text mode! > >Cheers, >Phil >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 22 18:26:04 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] root passwd In-Reply-To: <20001122165058.B3579@socrates> Message-ID: > >Actually, on Redhat there is no password for single-user mode. At least there > >wasn't on 6.0. One of the (many) reasons I switched to debian. Having no > >password on single-user mode is just plain wrong. > > > This is a security issue, as is the physical security of a box. I mean what > good is a firewall if someone can walk up to a box and stick a floppy in and > reboot and have root. In reality if someone can reboot and do linux single > they can probably stick in a boot disk just the same. Or what's to keep the dog from taking a screwdriver and yanking the HD, replacing it with one that boots Win95? My dog is just mean enough that she'd do that. Andy From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Nov 22 21:47:36 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP3 In-Reply-To: <000401c054bc$dc98cc40$650aa8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:46:09PM -0600 References: <000401c054bc$dc98cc40$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20001122214736.C19539@ringworld.org> * Eric Hillman [001122 13:47]: > > Anyone know what might be wrong? > I'd really suggest building PHP yourself. It's pretty easy, as these things go. For many people, like debian users, the *correct* way to build from source is to get your distributions *source package* and make a package with the changes to the build process, then build the package. It's really annoying to fix peoples boxen with totally broken package management. Why have it if your just gonna break it? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Nov 22 21:49:52 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fast ethernet In-Reply-To: <20001122175118.B5121@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 05:51:18PM -0600 References: <20001122175118.B5121@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001122214952.D19539@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherohman [001122 17:52]: > eth0: 3Com 3c905 Boomerang 100baseT4 at... Did youtry the 3com branded drivers? What kernel are you using? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Turns out it defaults to the AUI port (which shows up the in the boot messages... duh) but it had me scratching my head for a while. Hope this helps, Charlie From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 23 10:31:16 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fast ethernet In-Reply-To: ; from cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:06:25AM -0500 References: <20001122175118.B5121@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001123103116.A401@sherohman.org> On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:06:25AM -0500, Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > As for getting it to work, you can specify the media with ifconfig. I > don't remember the exact syntax off hand but I think it goes something > like: > > ifconfig -media 10baseT/UTP No dice... pchan /home/esper# ifconfig eth0 media 10baseT SIOCSIFMAP: Operation not supported pchan /home/esper# ifconfig eth0 media 10baseT/UTP Unknown media type. (Side question: If, for some odd reason, you should happen, as root, to enter `ifconfig eth0 down` without bothering to unmount all your NFS mounts and the log starts spewing "RPC: sendmsg returned error 101", how do you recover, assuming that ^C won't kill the ifconfig command, your window manager won't close the xterm ifconfig is running in, the steady stream of RPC errors prevents a console login (or opening a new xterm), and the ethernet interface being down prevents a remote login? Without rebooting. This is a purely hypothetical question, of course...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 23 10:34:36 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fast ethernet In-Reply-To: <20001122214952.D19539@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:49:52PM -0600 References: <20001122175118.B5121@sherohman.org> <20001122214952.D19539@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001123103436.B401@sherohman.org> Looks like I accidentally replied to this one privately the first time... On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:49:52PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Dave Sherohman [001122 17:52]: > > eth0: 3Com 3c905 Boomerang 100baseT4 at... > > Did youtry the 3com branded drivers? Nope, but, prompted by this question, I tracked them down and discovered that they support the 905B anc 905C, but not a vanilla 905. So I'm still using the standard driver that came with the kernel source. > What kernel are you using? 2.2.16 -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 24 01:28:26 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage Message-ID: Hi, Ok... here's the story. About a week ago I got a new MBoard and CPU. I used to have a FIC SD11 with a 550MHz Athlon, now I have a Tyan 2380 with a 750MHz Athlon. Other than that I have changed nothing - same hardware, asame perihps, same kernel. But now the load-avarage is pretty much ALWAYS really high (like around 4). Top shows nothing stealing the large percentage of the CPU cycles. I was happily blaming Mozilla for a while till closing it didn't help (and no, there weren't any zombie mozillas). In fact, performance with this MBoard seems to be extremely bad. Does anyone else have a Tyan 2380, or any other Tyan MBoard? Can anyone think of why this might be? I've FINALLY got the thing not to share IRQs between all the card, so I know it's not that... -Yaron -- From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Nov 24 02:08:00 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage References: Message-ID: <3A1E21E0.4F271AE1@tcfreenet.org> > But now the load-avarage is pretty much ALWAYS really high (like around > 4). Top shows nothing stealing the large percentage of the CPU > cycles. I was happily blaming Mozilla for a while till closing it didn't > help (and no, there weren't any zombie mozillas). Start up top and see whats eating CPU time. From ben at nerp.net Fri Nov 24 02:03:56 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yea.. sounds like IO wait to me, if the CPU isn't working, I/O will drive the load up 1.0 for each stuck process.. happens with tape drives. and such.. it probably is some kind of resource conflict.. that's my best guess. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Ok... here's the story. > > About a week ago I got a new MBoard and CPU. I used to have a FIC SD11 > with a 550MHz Athlon, now I have a Tyan 2380 with a 750MHz Athlon. Other > than that I have changed nothing - same hardware, asame perihps, same > kernel. > > But now the load-avarage is pretty much ALWAYS really high (like around > 4). Top shows nothing stealing the large percentage of the CPU > cycles. I was happily blaming Mozilla for a while till closing it didn't > help (and no, there weren't any zombie mozillas). > > In fact, performance with this MBoard seems to be extremely bad. > > Does anyone else have a Tyan 2380, or any other Tyan MBoard? Can anyone > think of why this might be? I've FINALLY got the thing not to share IRQs > between all the card, so I know it's not that... > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 24 02:28:44 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > yea.. sounds like IO wait to me, if the CPU isn't working, I/O will drive > the load up 1.0 for each stuck process.. happens with tape drives. and > such.. it probably is some kind of resource conflict.. that's my best > guess. Well, I don't know about resource conflicts. Like I said, no two devices are sharing IRQs, and I didn't add any new hardware so there really shouldn't be anything new happening. I don't see any IO hangups. Don't have tape drives on this machine and none of the SCSI devices are active, so unless this thing handles my single IDE drive _really_ badly, there's really nowhere for intensive IO to be taking place! Which is precisely my problem - where the heck should I be looking? There's nothing in syslog. I _know_ I've set the BIOS up for optimal values... I've had some other problems since installing this board. First, the CDR kept dying on burns, but since that no longer happens I am assuming it was the IRQ conflict. Second, and this is STILL happening, videocapture no longer works smoothly. The bt848 card is dropping frames like CRAZY. Once again, no IRQ conflicts, same exact hardware/software, _faster_ CPU and, on all accounts, this MBoard is SUPPOSED to be better than the SD11. I am desperatly trying to figure out what's wrong here so I can either (A) Know what to fix, (B) Know which component to take back to Tranmicro! Anyone thing there might be something wrong with the CPU? I'm not sig11ing on anything... any RAM/CPU test suites? -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 24 02:18:11 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage In-Reply-To: <3A1E21E0.4F271AE1@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > 4). Top shows nothing stealing the large percentage of the CPU > Start up top and see whats eating CPU time. Er. -Yaron -- From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Nov 24 05:29:22 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage References: Message-ID: <3A1E5112.1A637C9B@tcfreenet.org> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > > 4). Top shows nothing stealing the large percentage of the CPU > > Start up top and see whats eating CPU time. > > Er. I missed that part. Hmmm. Well thats odd... ;) From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Nov 24 07:33:08 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage References: Message-ID: <3A1E6E14.C2270A14@structural-wood.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > (snip, snip) > I've had some other problems since installing this board. First, the CDR > kept dying on burns, but since that no longer happens I am assuming it was > the IRQ conflict. Second, and this is STILL happening, videocapture no > longer works smoothly. The bt848 card is dropping frames like CRAZY. Once > again, no IRQ conflicts, same exact hardware/software, _faster_ CPU and, > on all accounts, this MBoard is SUPPOSED to be better than the SD11. > > I am desperatly trying to figure out what's wrong here so I can either > (A) Know what to fix, (B) Know which component to take back to Tranmicro! > > Anyone thing there might be something wrong with the CPU? I'm not > sig11ing on anything... any RAM/CPU test suites? > > -Yaron > > -- > I'm also fighting a performance problem with a different motherboard. I've been runnning some of the benchmarking software from Doug's benchmark page in the hopes that I can get a feel for what's going on. http://people.redhat.com/dledford/benchmark.html I've run tiotest, lmbench, and bonnie - all these were easy to compile and run. lmbench is comprehensive but a little opaque as to how to get it to spit out results. Once you've figured it out it can generate a lot of good result data. Here is a memory test that was recommended to me - I haven't tried it yet. http://reality.sgi.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ Good luck Kent From mtsqph at yahoo.com Fri Nov 24 08:51:31 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage Message-ID: <20001124145131.75257.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Yaron wrote: > Hi, etc., etc., > > Yaron, Please check your IRQ status, and report if you are confronting an inability of the system to resolve IRQ conflict... I would be very interested to know if you are encountering such a situation on your new board. mtsqph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 24 12:28:24 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Constatnly high load-avarage In-Reply-To: <20001124145131.75257.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > Please check your IRQ status, and report if you are > confronting an inability of the system to resolve IRQ I mentioned in the original message, there are NO IRQ conflicts. Took me a while to ocnvince the board NOT to share IRQs, but now it finally isn't. -Yaron -- From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Fri Nov 24 19:05:44 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? Message-ID: I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. Has anyone here thought about studying, or have taken the test? I must admit I was shocked by the price to take the test. $749! I wonder how they justify charging so much to administer an exam. That seems somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan Raman noodles for months now. That certification sounds good, but may take me several years to save up for that test! From mtsqph at yahoo.com Fri Nov 24 21:26:55 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? Message-ID: <20001125032655.87158.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. > Has anyone here thought > about studying, or have taken the test? > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take > the test. $749! I wonder > how they justify charging so much to administer an > exam. That seems > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan > Raman noodles for months > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me > several years to save > up for that test! > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jamie, Just go to brainbench.com... it's free... and it is one tough nut for testing. But the certificates are real. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From adamm at sihope.com Fri Nov 24 21:55:34 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: <20001125032655.87158.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: BrainBench certs are worthless in the job market. Besides the tests being too easy to cheat, the exams are poorly thought out. According to them, I'm one of the top-fifty fastest typers in America (at least I was...so long ago) The unix admin test asked me what a user ID was. I passed with flying colors. Knowing what a UID is makes me a unix admin? We've had this discussion on isp-services. Brainbench is good for a laugh, but no company will hire you for it. I don't know that the $750 RedHat test is taken any more seriously, but at least it won't be as diluted as Brainbench because it's so expensive. Brainbench became as bad as MCSE, but in 1/10th of the time. I don't know anything about the redhat exam, but let me tell you what a good certification is not. For $1000 you can go to an MCSE boot camp, memorize the possible questions and answers, and statistically only have to take the test 2 or 3 times until you get 75% (or whatever) of the answers that you remembered. Congratulations, you're an MCSE/CCNA/A+ or whatever. You'll get hired as the head of IT because of your MCSE, but you won't know anything. Maybe this is why most NT systems suck so bad - nothing but the anti-clues running the show. You know that TCP/IP is that thingy you need to install to make your NT system talk to the internet, but you don't know that it's based on a 7-layer burrito...er...model. Subnet masks are always 255.255.255.0. Event Viewer is how you troubleshoot, etc. Again, I don't know how the redhat exam is put together, so I can't say whether it's worth the money or not. I'm sure you'll do very well, but don't expect to be able to whip out a Brainbench certificate during an interview and not get laughed at. You might as well buy a degree from the Diploma Spammer (once spammed, twice LARTed). Some companies might pay for the test. Working down the hall from, and providing access to Ascolta and Techskills, I get quite a deal on tests and certs (if I only had the friggin time!). Many companies will pay for your training and certification, if it will make you more valuable to them. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. > > Has anyone here thought > > about studying, or have taken the test? > > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take > > the test. $749! I wonder > > how they justify charging so much to administer an > > exam. That seems > > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan > > Raman noodles for months > > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me > > several years to save > > up for that test! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Jamie, > Just go to brainbench.com... it's free... and it is > one tough nut for testing. But the certificates are real. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dave at droyer.org Fri Nov 24 00:31:33 2000 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recompiling a kernel on Debian Message-ID: I am finally trying to make the switch from Mandrake over to debian, and so far I have been doing fairly well, but I have a couple questions. I had to recompile the kernel to add framebuffer support for my Dell laptop. I did this using the instructions in the debian.README file in kernel-source docs (make-dpkg -revision=foo.1.0 kernel-image). Unfortunately when I did this, I lost my pcmcia modules that were previously installed from pcmcia-modules. Can anyone give me some pointers as to how to rebuild the pcmcia modules? Thanks, Dave From nitebirdz at uswest.net Sat Nov 25 00:09:56 2000 From: nitebirdz at uswest.net (Nitebirdz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. Has anyone here thought > about studying, or have taken the test? > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take the test. $749! I wonder > how they justify charging so much to administer an exam. That seems > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan Raman noodles for months > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me several years to save > up for that test! > Jamie, I took the RHCE test quite recently. It definitely is not like the MSCE stuff. You take not only a tough multiple-choice test, but also an installation test and a troubleshooting test. Here is the deal: The multiple-choice test includes around 50-75 questions or so (I don't remember the exact amount), but many of them are not as simple as they may appear to be. I thought it would be the easiest part of the test, and it ended up being the hardest... or at least the one where my score was the lowest anyway. I checked with the other guys who took the test with me, and their experience was roughly the same. You should especially distrust the questions that look really simple. The troubleshooting part of the test is really interesting. Basically, you boot into a broken system via a kickstart floppy. By broken I mean that there is something malfunctioning. Sometimes the system totally fails to boot. Some other times, it does boot but there is a partition missing, or you cannot log in, or... anything! You get four of these, and they are obviously worth 25% each. Finally, the installation part of the test consists of a list of requirements that is given to you. The list does not only include the requirement to install the OS, but also a given set of conditions: account so and so should not have a shell, you also need to configure Apache with two virtual hosts, need to set up TCP_WRAPPERS in a given way, configure anonymous FTP access, user whatever likes Gnome as the default desktop environment but user whomever prefers KDE, etc. As far as I remember, each part of the test was worth 100 points and in order to pass you need to get at least an average of 80 points. However, you cannot pass if you obtained less than 50 points in any of the three parts. All in all, I liked the experience. It's a hands-n exam, as opposed to the MSCE tests. You learn quite a bit while preparing for it. In general, I think Red Hat tried to avoid the "paper MSCE illness" and they pretty much achieved their goal. I mean, getting the RHCE does not mean by any means that you're a Red Hat Linux guru (I can testify of that myself), but it certainly guarantess that you do know how to do some basic troubleshooting and install the OS according to some specifications (and therefore, how to configure some basic services). ------------------------------------------------------ Nitebirdz ------------------------------------------------------ Thus spake the master programmer: "You can demonstrate a program for a corporate executive, but you can't make him computer literate." From nitebirdz at uswest.net Sat Nov 25 00:09:56 2000 From: nitebirdz at uswest.net (Nitebirdz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. Has anyone here thought > about studying, or have taken the test? > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take the test. $749! I wonder > how they justify charging so much to administer an exam. That seems > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan Raman noodles for months > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me several years to save > up for that test! > Jamie, I took the RHCE test quite recently. It definitely is not like the MSCE stuff. You take not only a tough multiple-choice test, but also an installation test and a troubleshooting test. Here is the deal: The multiple-choice test includes around 50-75 questions or so (I don't remember the exact amount), but many of them are not as simple as they may appear to be. I thought it would be the easiest part of the test, and it ended up being the hardest... or at least the one where my score was the lowest anyway. I checked with the other guys who took the test with me, and their experience was roughly the same. You should especially distrust the questions that look really simple. The troubleshooting part of the test is really interesting. Basically, you boot into a broken system via a kickstart floppy. By broken I mean that there is something malfunctioning. Sometimes the system totally fails to boot. Some other times, it does boot but there is a partition missing, or you cannot log in, or... anything! You get four of these, and they are obviously worth 25% each. Finally, the installation part of the test consists of a list of requirements that is given to you. The list does not only include the requirement to install the OS, but also a given set of conditions: account so and so should not have a shell, you also need to configure Apache with two virtual hosts, need to set up TCP_WRAPPERS in a given way, configure anonymous FTP access, user whatever likes Gnome as the default desktop environment but user whomever prefers KDE, etc. As far as I remember, each part of the test was worth 100 points and in order to pass you need to get at least an average of 80 points. However, you cannot pass if you obtained less than 50 points in any of the three parts. All in all, I liked the experience. It's a hands-n exam, as opposed to the MSCE tests. You learn quite a bit while preparing for it. In general, I think Red Hat tried to avoid the "paper MSCE illness" and they pretty much achieved their goal. I mean, getting the RHCE does not mean by any means that you're a Red Hat Linux guru (I can testify of that myself), but it certainly guarantess that you do know how to do some basic troubleshooting and install the OS according to some specifications (and therefore, how to configure some basic services). ------------------------------------------------------ Nitebirdz ------------------------------------------------------ Thus spake the master programmer: "You can demonstrate a program for a corporate executive, but you can't make him computer literate." From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sat Nov 25 00:46:26 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: While I certainly agree that certifications have become abused for the most part (look at the MCSE), I think that the only way to become a good admin is EXPERIENCE! I think that getting certification by no means makes someone a good admin in the least, I think it shows they know enough where once in the workplace and in an environment where problems crop up, they can start applying their book knowledge towards real life problems. You still need training in real life after the certification, but the only place to receive that is mainly through work. But who is going to hire an apprentice Unix admin?? Answer: NOBODY. The sad truth is, when you are working with this stuff at your job you learn very quickly. But it is very hard getting into the job to start true learning. That is the frustration I am dealing with right now. Especially when the government and market place is in such an upheavel, nobody wants to hire. On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > BrainBench certs are worthless in the job market. Besides the > tests being too easy to cheat, the exams are poorly thought out. > > According to them, I'm one of the top-fifty fastest typers in America (at > least I was...so long ago) > The unix admin test asked me what a user ID was. I passed with > flying colors. Knowing what a UID is makes me a unix admin? > > We've had this discussion on isp-services. Brainbench is good for a > laugh, but no company will hire you for it. I don't know that the $750 > RedHat test is taken any more seriously, but at least it won't be as > diluted as Brainbench because it's so expensive. > > > Brainbench became as bad as MCSE, but in 1/10th of the time. I don't know > anything about the redhat exam, but let me tell you what a good > certification is not. For $1000 you can go to an MCSE boot camp, memorize > the possible questions and answers, and statistically only have to take > the test 2 or 3 times until you get 75% (or whatever) of the answers > that you remembered. Congratulations, you're an MCSE/CCNA/A+ or whatever. > You'll get hired as the head of IT because of your MCSE, but you won't > know anything. Maybe this is why most NT systems suck so bad - nothing > but the anti-clues running the show. You know that TCP/IP is that thingy > you need to install to make your NT system talk to the internet, but you > don't know that it's based on a 7-layer burrito...er...model. Subnet > masks are always 255.255.255.0. Event Viewer is how you troubleshoot, > etc. > > > Again, I don't know how the redhat exam is put together, so I can't say > whether it's worth the money or not. I'm sure you'll do very well, but > don't expect to be able to whip out a Brainbench certificate during an > interview and not get laughed at. You might as well buy a degree from the > Diploma Spammer (once spammed, twice LARTed). > > > > > Some companies might pay for the test. Working down the hall from, and > providing access to Ascolta and Techskills, I get quite a deal on tests > and certs (if I only had the friggin time!). Many companies will pay for > your training and certification, if it will make you more valuable to > them. > > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > > > > --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. > > > Has anyone here thought > > > about studying, or have taken the test? > > > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take > > > the test. $749! I wonder > > > how they justify charging so much to administer an > > > exam. That seems > > > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan > > > Raman noodles for months > > > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me > > > several years to save > > > up for that test! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jamie, > > Just go to brainbench.com... it's free... and it is > > one tough nut for testing. But the certificates are real. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Nov 25 07:35:41 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS serving broken in 2.4.0-test10? Message-ID: <3A1FC02D.9047DB64@tcfreenet.org> Anyone managed to get NFS serving to work with RedHat 7.0 and kernel 2.4.0-test9/10? Its broke, and I can only assume I need newer userspace utils. But Documentation/Changes makes no mention of NFS, web searches bring up no mention of NFS breaking for anyone, and I can't even find where the hell one finds the source for the knfs userspace stuff. Blargh. I get on the server when trying to export: root@bigtime:~$ exportfs -rv exporting blipvert.local:/Ddos/music exporting blipvert.local:/Ddos/music to kernel blipvert.local:/Ddos/music: Invalid argument I also don't get why a bunch of old mounts show up in showmount: root@bigtime:~$ showmount -a localhost All mount points on localhost: xxiii.local:/Ddos xxiii.local:/home/cal/src/linux xxiii.local:/home/cal/src/linux-2.2.17-reiserfs From subb3 at attglobal.net Sat Nov 25 03:45:21 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP Message-ID: <20001125094521.A22686@attglobal.net> Hi, I am exploring about subscribing to satellite ISP services from DirectPC. If anyone is using this service, I would like to know if Linux can be used with the two-way access. Also, I would like to know the performance you are experiencing. Thank you for any info. Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Nov 25 10:24:03 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recompiling a kernel on Debian In-Reply-To: ; from dave@droyer.org on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 12:31:33AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001125102403.C79770@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 12:31:33AM -0600, David Royer wrote: >I am finally trying to make the switch from Mandrake over to debian, and >so far I have been doing fairly well, but I have a couple questions. > >I had to recompile the kernel to add framebuffer support for my Dell >laptop. I did this using the instructions in the debian.README file in >kernel-source docs (make-dpkg -revision=foo.1.0 kernel-image). >Unfortunately when I did this, I lost my pcmcia modules that were >previously installed from pcmcia-modules. Can anyone give me some >pointers as to how to rebuild the pcmcia modules? Depends on what kernel you are using. the 2.4 sources have the pcmcia stuff included. If it's a stable kernel, and you wanna use the debian stuff, you'll need kernel-source- or you can just get a tarball of the pcmcia source and do it that way. You don't _have_ to use make-kpkg, it's recommended if you wanna install the kernel you compile on many machines or if you wanna archive it for some reason. > >Thanks, > >Dave > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001125/f9c5aa0e/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Sat Nov 25 10:47:30 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP References: <20001125094521.A22686@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <002501c056ff$66ce76f0$0100a8c0@cascade> I don't personally know anybody who has it - but latency is never less than approximately 500ms. Don't expect to much interactive networking to take place. Weather will also affect your performance - it does with DirecTV. The snowstorm on election night shut our DirecTV down for about 1 hour or so - not like I needed the results that night or anything anyway :) Normally we are getting 92% reception which is very good! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Subba Rao" To: "Twin Cities Linux" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 3:45 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP > Hi, > > I am exploring about subscribing to satellite ISP services from DirectPC. > > If anyone is using this service, I would like to know if Linux can be used > with the two-way access. Also, I would like to know the performance you are > experiencing. > > Thank you for any info. > > Subba Rao > subb3@attglobal.net > http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Sat Nov 25 10:52:23 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FYI about Mailman ... Message-ID: <003b01c05700$159a8ac0$0100a8c0@cascade> FYI about the Mailman program this list runs on. I noticed that the list is running on Mailman-2.0rc1. Mailman-2.0 release is now available from you favorite GNU mirror site ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/gnu/mailman/mailman-2.0.tar.gz The upgrade is automatic and painless. Just compile as normal (same configure options) and install. It will upgrade automatically all of the lists. I am using it and am aware of no bugs. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From adamm at sihope.com Sat Nov 25 11:26:16 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not true. When I was at Internet Exposure I eventually hired an apprentice of sorts. Igor was 10 years my senior, had 2 inches and 60 pounds on me, but was hired as more or less an assistant admin. He knew basic unix, from a user standpoint (perms, file manipulation, etc) but he wanted to learn everything about unix administration. He did very well, learned extremely quickly. Eventually he became more interested in the networking side of things, and went and got his CCNA after I had left the company. Between him and one of the programmers, they were able to keep the company functioning until my replacement was found. You're right about experience though, and that's always been difficult. The only way to become good at your job is through experience, but breaking into the field to get that experience is tough. Fortunately for us, the demand for skilled tech workers is high enough that many companies will take whoever they can get. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > While I certainly agree that certifications have become abused for the > most part (look at the MCSE), I think that the only way to become a good > admin is EXPERIENCE! I think that getting certification by no means makes > someone a good admin in the least, I think it shows they know enough where > once in the workplace and in an environment where problems crop up, they > can start applying their book knowledge towards real life problems. You > still need training in real life after the certification, but the only > place to receive that is mainly through work. But who is going to hire an > apprentice Unix admin?? Answer: NOBODY. > The sad truth is, when you are working with this stuff at your job you > learn very quickly. But it is very hard getting into the job to start true > learning. That is the frustration I am dealing with right now. Especially > when the government and market place is in such an upheavel, nobody wants > to hire. > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > BrainBench certs are worthless in the job market. Besides the > > tests being too easy to cheat, the exams are poorly thought out. > > > > According to them, I'm one of the top-fifty fastest typers in America (at > > least I was...so long ago) > > The unix admin test asked me what a user ID was. I passed with > > flying colors. Knowing what a UID is makes me a unix admin? > > > > We've had this discussion on isp-services. Brainbench is good for a > > laugh, but no company will hire you for it. I don't know that the $750 > > RedHat test is taken any more seriously, but at least it won't be as > > diluted as Brainbench because it's so expensive. > > > > > > Brainbench became as bad as MCSE, but in 1/10th of the time. I don't know > > anything about the redhat exam, but let me tell you what a good > > certification is not. For $1000 you can go to an MCSE boot camp, memorize > > the possible questions and answers, and statistically only have to take > > the test 2 or 3 times until you get 75% (or whatever) of the answers > > that you remembered. Congratulations, you're an MCSE/CCNA/A+ or whatever. > > You'll get hired as the head of IT because of your MCSE, but you won't > > know anything. Maybe this is why most NT systems suck so bad - nothing > > but the anti-clues running the show. You know that TCP/IP is that thingy > > you need to install to make your NT system talk to the internet, but you > > don't know that it's based on a 7-layer burrito...er...model. Subnet > > masks are always 255.255.255.0. Event Viewer is how you troubleshoot, > > etc. > > > > > > Again, I don't know how the redhat exam is put together, so I can't say > > whether it's worth the money or not. I'm sure you'll do very well, but > > don't expect to be able to whip out a Brainbench certificate during an > > interview and not get laughed at. You might as well buy a degree from the > > Diploma Spammer (once spammed, twice LARTed). > > > > > > > > > > Some companies might pay for the test. Working down the hall from, and > > providing access to Ascolta and Techskills, I get quite a deal on tests > > and certs (if I only had the friggin time!). Many companies will pay for > > your training and certification, if it will make you more valuable to > > them. > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. > > > > Has anyone here thought > > > > about studying, or have taken the test? > > > > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take > > > > the test. $749! I wonder > > > > how they justify charging so much to administer an > > > > exam. That seems > > > > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan > > > > Raman noodles for months > > > > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me > > > > several years to save > > > > up for that test! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Jamie, > > > Just go to brainbench.com... it's free... and it is > > > one tough nut for testing. But the certificates are real. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Nov 25 11:29:07 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP In-Reply-To: <20001125094521.A22686@attglobal.net> References: <20001125094521.A22686@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <00112509450500.05990@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> As far as I know, you cannot use DirecPC with linux. They have some proprietary software to control aspects of the dish and network identification. On the other hand, it's been about 4 months since I've installed one of those, so they may have changed things. Let me know how it goes. Eric On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Hi, > > I am exploring about subscribing to satellite ISP services from DirectPC. > > If anyone is using this service, I would like to know if Linux can be used > with the two-way access. Also, I would like to know the performance you are > experiencing. > > Thank you for any info. > > Subba Rao > subb3@attglobal.net > http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Nov 25 11:30:39 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00112511311601.06312@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> If that's true, why have I not been offered a job? (hint, hint, to whomever's hiring) Eric On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Not true. When I was at Internet Exposure I eventually hired an > apprentice of sorts. Igor was 10 years my senior, had 2 inches and 60 > pounds on me, but was hired as more or less an assistant admin. He knew > basic unix, from a user standpoint (perms, file manipulation, etc) but he > wanted to learn everything about unix administration. He did very well, > learned extremely quickly. Eventually he became more interested in the > networking side of things, and went and got his CCNA after I had left the > company. Between him and one of the programmers, they were able to keep > the company functioning until my replacement was found. > > You're right about experience though, and that's always been difficult. > The only way to become good at your job is through experience, but > breaking into the field to get that experience is tough. Fortunately for > us, the demand for skilled tech workers is high enough that many companies > will take whoever they can get. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > While I certainly agree that certifications have become abused for the > > most part (look at the MCSE), I think that the only way to become a good > > admin is EXPERIENCE! I think that getting certification by no means makes > > someone a good admin in the least, I think it shows they know enough where > > once in the workplace and in an environment where problems crop up, they > > can start applying their book knowledge towards real life problems. You > > still need training in real life after the certification, but the only > > place to receive that is mainly through work. But who is going to hire an > > apprentice Unix admin?? Answer: NOBODY. > > The sad truth is, when you are working with this stuff at your job you > > learn very quickly. But it is very hard getting into the job to start true > > learning. That is the frustration I am dealing with right now. Especially > > when the government and market place is in such an upheavel, nobody wants > > to hire. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > > BrainBench certs are worthless in the job market. Besides the > > > tests being too easy to cheat, the exams are poorly thought out. > > > > > > According to them, I'm one of the top-fifty fastest typers in America (at > > > least I was...so long ago) > > > The unix admin test asked me what a user ID was. I passed with > > > flying colors. Knowing what a UID is makes me a unix admin? > > > > > > We've had this discussion on isp-services. Brainbench is good for a > > > laugh, but no company will hire you for it. I don't know that the $750 > > > RedHat test is taken any more seriously, but at least it won't be as > > > diluted as Brainbench because it's so expensive. > > > > > > > > > Brainbench became as bad as MCSE, but in 1/10th of the time. I don't know > > > anything about the redhat exam, but let me tell you what a good > > > certification is not. For $1000 you can go to an MCSE boot camp, memorize > > > the possible questions and answers, and statistically only have to take > > > the test 2 or 3 times until you get 75% (or whatever) of the answers > > > that you remembered. Congratulations, you're an MCSE/CCNA/A+ or whatever. > > > You'll get hired as the head of IT because of your MCSE, but you won't > > > know anything. Maybe this is why most NT systems suck so bad - nothing > > > but the anti-clues running the show. You know that TCP/IP is that thingy > > > you need to install to make your NT system talk to the internet, but you > > > don't know that it's based on a 7-layer burrito...er...model. Subnet > > > masks are always 255.255.255.0. Event Viewer is how you troubleshoot, > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > Again, I don't know how the redhat exam is put together, so I can't say > > > whether it's worth the money or not. I'm sure you'll do very well, but > > > don't expect to be able to whip out a Brainbench certificate during an > > > interview and not get laughed at. You might as well buy a degree from the > > > Diploma Spammer (once spammed, twice LARTed). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some companies might pay for the test. Working down the hall from, and > > > providing access to Ascolta and Techskills, I get quite a deal on tests > > > and certs (if I only had the friggin time!). Many companies will pay for > > > your training and certification, if it will make you more valuable to > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. > > > > > Has anyone here thought > > > > > about studying, or have taken the test? > > > > > I must admit I was shocked by the price to take > > > > > the test. $749! I wonder > > > > > how they justify charging so much to administer an > > > > > exam. That seems > > > > > somewhat ludicrous. I have been eating Maruchan > > > > > Raman noodles for months > > > > > now. That certification sounds good, but may take me > > > > > several years to save > > > > > up for that test! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > > > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > Jamie, > > > > Just go to brainbench.com... it's free... and it is > > > > one tough nut for testing. But the certificates are real. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Nov 25 16:59:58 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? References: <00112511311601.06312@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <3A20446E.36F12C41@tcfreenet.org> Eric F Crist wrote: > > If that's true, why have I not been offered a job? (hint, hint, to whomever's > hiring) No, hire me! ;) From nitebirdz at uswest.net Sat Nov 25 20:21:33 2000 From: nitebirdz at uswest.net (Nitebirdz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > While I certainly agree that certifications have become abused for the > most part (look at the MCSE), I think that the only way to become a good > admin is EXPERIENCE! I think that getting certification by no means makes > someone a good admin in the least, I think it shows they know enough where > once in the workplace and in an environment where problems crop up, they > can start applying their book knowledge towards real life problems. You > still need training in real life after the certification, but the only > place to receive that is mainly through work. But who is going to hire an > apprentice Unix admin?? Answer: NOBODY. > The sad truth is, when you are working with this stuff at your job you > learn very quickly. But it is very hard getting into the job to start true > learning. That is the frustration I am dealing with right now. Especially > when the government and market place is in such an upheavel, nobody wants > to hire. > True. I said that myself. Certification does not guarantee absolute knowledge of a given topic, and it definitely is no replacement for real life experience. However, from the point of view of many companies it helps weed out a lot of people. Like I said, it's a guarantee (if the certification is meaningful, and I think the RHCE is) that the holder knows at least the basics. From there on, as you explain, the guy who holds the certification can learn more. Hey, what the hell. It's no different than getting a degree in College or even becoming a certified electrician. There may be a lot of people out there who also know how to work as an electrician, but some of them actually have a certificate. It doesn't prove absolute knowledge, but it does matter. Finally, regarding your comments about how difficult it is to be given a chance... well, I'd say it is quite difficult to be given a chance as a junior system administration for example if you are trying to get to a company that doesn't really know you. On the other hand, it's not so difficult to "move up" from within. Most companies are willing to promote people from within even though they still have to learn quite a bit, among other things because it saves companies a lot of money. ------------------------------------------------------ Nitebirdz ------------------------------------------------------ Thus spake the master programmer: "You can demonstrate a program for a corporate executive, but you can't make him computer literate." From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sat Nov 25 20:37:06 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Initio driver not loading Message-ID: I just got an Initio 9100U card and I compiled the driver into the kernel and when the system boots, no scsi, not even a message from the driver saying it couldn't find the card. I recompiled my kernel with the driver as a module and still same thing. Once I get booted I insmod the module and everything's happy. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on here? Particularly why it won't load when compiled into the kernel? I've also got two other scsi cards in my system that recognize just fine, and advansys and an adaptec 1502. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From jurupari at geocities.com Sat Nov 25 21:07:09 2000 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... Message-ID: <200011260307.WAA29378@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I am using a combination of PHP4, Apache, and MySQL to access a small database on an intranet. I tried recreating the whole works on a laptop that I could use for development but I cannot get things going. I have used rpms for everything on both systems except for PHP which I compiled from source code. The server is running RedHat 6.2, while the laptop I am having trouble with is running version 7.0. I seem to have PHP running fine except for the fact that it cannot access the MySQL databases. The databases seem to work fine from the command line using the mysql client. I believe that the problem lies with RedHat 7 from what I have been able to figure out from various newsgroups. I know RedHat put out updated MySQL RPMs but they have not solved my problem. I dumped those for the latest stable RPMs from MySQL, but they do not seem to work either. I am have scoured deja.com/usenet for an answer but I have yet to find it. Has anyone else come across this and found a solution?? I could really use it! Here is my current setup: RedHat 7.0 - kernel 2.2.16-22 MySQL-3.22.32-1 (rpm) MySQL-client-3.22.32-1 (rpm) apache-1.3.14-3 (rpm) php 4.0.3pl1 (compiled with '--with-mysql' and '--with-apxs') Thanks, Mike From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 25 22:28:33 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... In-Reply-To: <200011260307.WAA29378@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from jurupari@geocities.com on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:07:09PM -0600 References: <200011260307.WAA29378@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20001125222833.A19317@real-time.com> Quoting Jurupari (jurupari@geocities.com): > Here is my current setup: > RedHat 7.0 - kernel 2.2.16-22 > MySQL-3.22.32-1 (rpm) > MySQL-client-3.22.32-1 (rpm) > apache-1.3.14-3 (rpm) > php 4.0.3pl1 (compiled with '--with-mysql' and '--with-apxs') Do you have pam_ldap and nss_ldap installed as well? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sun Nov 26 08:19:29 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? Message-ID: <20001126141929.40920.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I was thinking about studying for the RHCE test. > Jamie, Rather than brainbench... If you can find a way to swing it, do what my younger son is doing... AICS it's online you move at your own pace, (which for him is actually pretty swift) and he will end up with a Bachelors in Computer Science in about two more years... majoring in C++ no less. The total cost with him receiving life and military service credits (36 credits advance is what he got counting his time in the French Foreign Legion as well as four years in the 2nd Inf armor div. and his evaluation entry test) $7200.00 (total!) AND it is real. No maybe's about it. It is an actual degree in CS. If you can get this serious about it, check it out. Why mess with maybe? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From jurupari at geocities.com Sun Nov 26 08:45:22 2000 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... In-Reply-To: <20001125222833.A19317@real-time.com> References: <200011260307.WAA29378@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from jurupari@geocities.com on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:07:09PM -0600 Message-ID: <200011261445.JAA24226@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> From: Bob Tanner To: Jurupari Copies to: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... Send reply to: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Date sent: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:28:33 -0600 > Do you have pam_ldap and nss_ldap installed as well? I have neither installed. I exact error I am getting is as follows: Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) in /var/www/html/dbs/db- email.php on line 12. Line 12 of that php file works fine on a RH 6.2 system, and it reads as follows: $db = mysql_connect("localhost", "apache"); If I were to run the MySQL client from the command line like this 'mysql -u apache' I can connect to the server, change to the appropriate database and perform a query on it. I believe that I have the correct rights set up within the mysql database. I am not sure what the problem is. ---Here's a thought that just hit me.... The error above mentions not being able to connect to the socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' Hmmmm, the server is running and that sock file is not in /tmp. It resides in /var/lib/mysql with the databases. Is this the problem???? How could I fix it? Where do I tell PHP where the sock file is? Thank-you, Mike From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Nov 26 10:00:51 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? In-Reply-To: <20001126141929.40920.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com>; from mtsqph@yahoo.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 06:19:29AM -0800 References: <20001126141929.40920.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001126100051.B23696@ringworld.org> * grey Moon-Wolf [001126 08:20]: > real. No maybe's about it. It is an actual degree in > CS. If you can get this serious about it, check it Are they accredited by anyone? And, will employers take this as an actual degree? Last I checked, the reason we will *allways* have schools is for the interactions they cause, not the necessity of taking coursework. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X4's server isn't SUID like the old ones were; (which probaby accounts for why xserverrc files cause problems now); and I don't see any SUID files along the startx->xauth->xinit->XFree86 series. when I had it working; X _was_ running as root, however. I'm going to guess that xauth is the culprit here; but I don't know why/how. cookies are put into .Xauthority at start time. also, how does one specify to start xinerama automatically? 'startx -- +xinerama' will work; but is there a way to put that in a config file somewhere? .xserverrc would seem to be the place; but I believe that would only work if XFree86 were SUID. how have other people dealt with these problems? I would expect it's something fairly straightforward. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Sun Nov 26 10:48:15 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... In-Reply-To: <200011261445.JAA24226@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Jurupari wrote: > > Do you have pam_ldap and nss_ldap installed as well? > > I have neither installed. > > I exact error I am getting is as follows: > Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server > through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) in /var/www/html/dbs/db- > email.php on line 12. > > Line 12 of that php file works fine on a RH 6.2 system, and it reads > as follows: > $db = mysql_connect("localhost", "apache"); > > If I were to run the MySQL client from the command line like this > 'mysql -u apache' I can connect to the server, change to the > appropriate database and perform a query on it. I believe that I have > the correct rights set up within the mysql database. I am not sure > what the problem is. > > ---Here's a thought that just hit me.... The error above mentions not > being able to connect to the socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' Hmmmm, the > server is running and that sock file is not in /tmp. It resides in > /var/lib/mysql with the databases. Is this the problem???? How could > I fix it? Where do I tell PHP where the sock file is? Easy fix (maybe; not sure if it works with sockets): ln -s /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock /tmp Harder fix: change your php code to use the machine's hostname instead of localhost: $db = mysql_connect("blah.example.com", "apache"); ..which will have it communicate via TCP/IP instead of UNIX sockets. You'll have to make sure that your database has proper permissions for this to work. Not sure how to get PHP to look somewhere else for the socket file.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 26 12:04:02 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 10:47:14AM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 10:47:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >also, how does one specify to start xinerama automatically? 'startx -- >+xinerama' will work; but is there a way to put that in a config file >somewhere? .xserverrc would seem to be the place; but I believe that would >only work if XFree86 were SUID. You can't put it in .xinitrc / .xsession? #!/bin/sh xinerama & exec $WINDOWMANAGERCOMMAND Just a thought. > >how have other people dealt with these problems? I would expect it's >something fairly straightforward. > >Carl Soderstrom. >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001126/6cf3938f/attachment.pgp From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sun Nov 26 12:26:11 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE?? Message-ID: <20001126182611.66705.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Dier wrote: > * grey Moon-Wolf [001126 08:20]: > > real. No maybe's about it. It is an actual degree > in > > CS. If you can get this serious about it, check it > > Are they accredited by anyone? And, will employers > take this as an > actual degree? Last I checked, the reason we will > *allways* have > schools is for the interactions they cause, not the > necessity of taking > coursework. > They are fully accredited, and also are used by the (DANTES.. the distance learning program) military for NCOs and Officers wishing to continue their education with full credit acceptance and viable degree. Though they are only a year and a half in the pipe, they have been accredited for those continuing on to another academic institution. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 26 12:40:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP Message-ID: I played with the 2-way demo that Dish Network had at the state fair. In short, it sucked. I wasn't getting any faster than 28.8 or so for download speeds and latency to the first hop was about 750ms. They claim bandwidth should be much higher, but the latency is as good as it will get. 750ms latency means no online gaming. I'm not sure if you need special windows software to control the dish, but if you do, you can always whack up a crappy win98 box and turn on connection sharing for your linux boxen behind it (as much as that would suck). Although, Dish Network's 2-way technology is from Gilat.com, and Gilat has traditionally been providing satellite network services for Unix boxes. I know of an investment company that has a Gilat system hooked up to a Solaris box and it works fine. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:29 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP As far as I know, you cannot use DirecPC with linux. They have some proprietary software to control aspects of the dish and network identification. On the other hand, it's been about 4 months since I've installed one of those, so they may have changed things. Let me know how it goes. Eric On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Hi, > > I am exploring about subscribing to satellite ISP services from DirectPC. > > If anyone is using this service, I would like to know if Linux can be used > with the two-way access. Also, I would like to know the performance you are > experiencing. > > Thank you for any info. > > Subba Rao > subb3@attglobal.net > http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 26 12:40:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP Message-ID: I played with the 2-way demo that Dish Network had at the state fair. In short, it sucked. I wasn't getting any faster than 28.8 or so for download speeds and latency to the first hop was about 750ms. They claim bandwidth should be much higher, but the latency is as good as it will get. 750ms latency means no online gaming. I'm not sure if you need special windows software to control the dish, but if you do, you can always whack up a crappy win98 box and turn on connection sharing for your linux boxen behind it (as much as that would suck). Although, Dish Network's 2-way technology is from Gilat.com, and Gilat has traditionally been providing satellite network services for Unix boxes. I know of an investment company that has a Gilat system hooked up to a Solaris box and it works fine. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:29 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Satellite ISP As far as I know, you cannot use DirecPC with linux. They have some proprietary software to control aspects of the dish and network identification. On the other hand, it's been about 4 months since I've installed one of those, so they may have changed things. Let me know how it goes. Eric On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, you wrote: > Hi, > > I am exploring about subscribing to satellite ISP services from DirectPC. > > If anyone is using this service, I would like to know if Linux can be used > with the two-way access. Also, I would like to know the performance you are > experiencing. > > Thank you for any info. > > Subba Rao > subb3@attglobal.net > http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sun Nov 26 13:00:15 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 12:04:02PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> > You can't put it in .xinitrc / .xsession? > > #!/bin/sh > xinerama & > exec $WINDOWMANAGERCOMMAND xinerama is an XFree86 option (/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 +xinerama); so AFAIK, you can't invoke it from the command line. I would think that it should be an option in XF86Config; but I don't see it in the man page or any of the docs. maybe I'm just missing something. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jurupari at geocities.com Sun Nov 26 15:02:13 2000 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... In-Reply-To: References: <200011261445.JAA24226@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200011262102.QAA18620@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> From: Nate Carlson To: Jurupari Copies to: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 and MySQL not working... Send reply to: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Date sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 10:48:15 -0600 (CST) Thanks for the help Nate, I finally got everything going after a couple of weeks of messing with it. > Harder fix: > > change your php code to use the machine's hostname instead of localhost: > $db = mysql_connect("blah.example.com", "apache"); > > ..which will have it communicate via TCP/IP instead of UNIX > sockets. You'll have to make sure that your database has proper > permissions for this to work. I guess I don't have much of an understanding of the difference between those two comcepts, but I tried this approach first and got things going. I wasn't thrilled with changing the PHP/HTML files though, so I kept on messing with it, eventually directing PHP to the location of the mysql.sock file via the /usr/local/lib/php.ini file AND rebooting several times. Mike O O < \__/ From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 26 15:03:29 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:00:15PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:00:15PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> You can't put it in .xinitrc / .xsession? Heh, that kinda stinks. > >maybe I'm just missing something. "Using the Xinerama Extesions to Multihead XFree86 V.4.0+" http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html First result from google for xinerama, you prolly saw it already but hey, it's worth a shot. >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam Maloney wrote: > No, the newbies use uptime, the wannabes cat /proc/uptime, but the real > geeks can look at the memory usage to see how much has leaked, do some > quick math in their heads, and determine the number of seconds the system > has been running. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > of course everyone is going to say uptime, but real geeks cat /proc/uptime > > ;) > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > Is there a command that would tell you how long your system has been up and > > > running? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sun Nov 26 15:15:27 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:03:29PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> > >maybe I'm just missing something. > > "Using the Xinerama Extesions to Multihead XFree86 V.4.0+" > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html > > First result from google for xinerama, you prolly saw it already but hey, it's > worth a shot. oh. duh. . I keep forgetting about search engines. Back a few years ago; search engines were largely useless, since just about any search would yield little more than porn sites and useless personal pages. I got burned out on them eventually; and I'm still adjusting to the notion that useful stuff can be found there sometimes. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 26 15:30:21 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:15:27PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001126153021.A939@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:15:27PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >oh. duh. . heh. > >I keep forgetting about search engines. Back a few years ago; search engines >were largely useless, since just about any search would yield little more >than porn sites and useless personal pages. I got burned out on them >eventually; and I'm still adjusting to the notion that useful stuff can be >found there sometimes. Google kicks ass, they even have a linux and bsd centric search page http://www.google.com/linux http://www.google.com/bsd But from the looks of that howto, you'll just need to edit the startx script and add in the +xinerama once your XF86Config is straight. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20001126153021.A939@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:30:21PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <20001126153021.A939@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001126160249.B8052@real-time.com> > Google kicks ass, they even have a linux and bsd centric search page > http://www.google.com/linux > http://www.google.com/bsd cool. thanks for the heads-up. > But from the looks of that howto, you'll just need to edit the startx script > and add in the +xinerama once your XF86Config is straight. yep. working on that now. I'm going to also have to figure out some of the color adjustments; since these monitors are presenting rather different outputs, for the same color. (even with both at 16-bit color... not sure why it's not as bad now as it was at 8-bit color... ) now I just have to figure out why ordinary users can't launch X.. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 18:16:30 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > "Using the Xinerama Extesions to Multihead XFree86 V.4.0+" > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html > > > > First result from google for xinerama, you prolly saw it already but hey, it's > > worth a shot. > > oh. duh. . That howto is doing things The Wrong Way though. You should not need to edit startx. *cough* Not editing scripts directly if you don't need to is a good habit to get into if you use any kind of package managment system... Read startx's man page. It starts the x server via xinit. Read xinit's man page. It looks for a file called .xserverrc, just put the command line to start the X server in there. X +xinerama Ta da. I once had a set up to start up a new X server on :1 with startx from within :0 (started by xdm, 32bit multihead) that was set up for gaming. 16bit monohead w/ hardware OpenGL etc... But that got nuked in the WinME fiasco. Hmmm. From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 18:18:51 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? References: <3A217CC9.BCD314B8@thouck.com> Message-ID: <3A21A86B.42E70773@tcfreenet.org> Timothy Houck wrote: > > Naw, the real geeks don't care about uptime, or don't need to check it -- they're in > the years of uptime anyway. But... how do you brag when some punk llama starts quoting uptimes of 80 days... From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 26 19:20:06 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 06:16:30PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001126192006.A1279@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 06:16:30PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> >That howto is doing things The Wrong Way though. You should not need to >edit startx. *cough* Not editing scripts directly if you don't need to >is a good habit to get into if you use any kind of package managment >system... heh, yeah I can DEFINITELY see dpkg overwriting that file. > >Read startx's man page. It starts the x server via xinit. Read xinit's >man page. It looks for a file called .xserverrc, just put the command >line to start the X server in there. > >X +xinerama And the .xserverrc wouldn't get overwritten. good point. You should send a mail to the DOC maintainer and point that out. >Ta da. I once had a set up to start up a new X server on :1 with startx >from within :0 (started by xdm, 32bit multihead) that was set up for >gaming. 16bit monohead w/ hardware OpenGL etc... But that got nuked in >the WinME fiasco. Hmmm. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001126/f3e52f99/attachment.pgp From SloppySicilian at netzero.net Sun Nov 26 21:23:43 2000 From: SloppySicilian at netzero.net (Richie Restivo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WinModem to LinModem? Message-ID: <200011270300.eAR30lv22451@sprite.real-time.com> i have a plug and play winmodem and i can't connect to the internet.. do you know where i could get a driver that would have a winmodem driver in linux.? thanx Richie _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From wilson at visi.com Sun Nov 26 21:10:45 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WinModem to LinModem? In-Reply-To: <200011270300.eAR30lv22451@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Richie Restivo wrote: > i have a plug and play winmodem and i can't connect to the internet.. do > you know where i could get a driver that would have a winmodem driver in > linux.? thanx Hey Richie, You may be out of luck, but here's a How-To on the subject: http://walbran.org/sean/linux/linmodem-howto-all.html Good luck. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From chrome at real-time.com Sun Nov 26 21:17:30 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 06:16:30PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001126211730.A20358@real-time.com> > That howto is doing things The Wrong Way though. You should not need to > edit startx. *cough* Not editing scripts directly if you don't need to > is a good habit to get into if you use any kind of package managment > system... > > Read startx's man page. It starts the x server via xinit. Read xinit's > man page. It looks for a file called .xserverrc, just put the command > line to start the X server in there. > > X +xinerama yep. all that has indeed occurred to me. However, as I believe I mentioned in my first post; it seems that the X server binary needs to be SUID root in order for the .xserverrc file to work. (which it's not, in X4). of course, it's quite possible I'm wrong. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Sun Nov 26 21:18:22 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I keep forgetting about search engines. Back a few years ago; search > engines were largely useless, since just about any search would yield > little more than porn sites and useless personal pages. I got burned > out on them eventually; and I'm still adjusting to the notion that > useful stuff can be found there sometimes. not true! if you knew how to use a search engine a couple years ago, it would give you the results.. you just had to know how to ask it. :) *fondly remembers the days of metacrawler/altavista..* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From eric at urbanrage.com Sun Nov 26 21:37:22 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A21D6F2.EDC890F1@urbanrage.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > > "Using the Xinerama Extesions to Multihead XFree86 V.4.0+" > > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html > > > > > > First result from google for xinerama, you prolly saw it already but hey, it's > > > worth a shot. > > > > oh. duh. . > > That howto is doing things The Wrong Way though. You should not need to > edit startx. *cough* Not editing scripts directly if you don't need to > is a good habit to get into if you use any kind of package managment > system... why not just startx -- +xinerama the -- separates arguments for startx and arguments passed to the X server and if you want it the default alias your startx alias startx 'startx -- +xinerama' Eric From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 21:50:58 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless Message-ID: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> So, just saw an advert for Ricochet 128kbps wireless. So who's gonna be the first with a wireless linux box in minnesota, hmmm? ;) The geekmobile shall have a 128kbps link. oohhh yes... From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 26 21:52:17 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless In-Reply-To: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:50:58PM -0600 References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:50:58PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >So, just saw an advert for Ricochet 128kbps wireless. So who's gonna be >the first with a wireless linux box in minnesota, hmmm? ;) I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > >The geekmobile shall have a 128kbps link. oohhh yes... >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001126/200d4b2f/attachment.pgp From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 22:01:15 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> <3A21D6F2.EDC890F1@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <3A21DC8B.C271D3EA@tcfreenet.org> > why not just > startx -- +xinerama > > the -- separates arguments for startx and arguments passed to the X > server > > and if you want it the default alias your startx > > alias startx 'startx -- +xinerama' Because you should be using XDM anyway. ;) From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 22:05:16 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A21DD7C.25F304D@tcfreenet.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:50:58PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >So, just saw an advert for Ricochet 128kbps wireless. So who's gonna be > >the first with a wireless linux box in minnesota, hmmm? ;) > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. Fast enough for mp3 streaming. And GPS tracking. And bridging to a laptop with a WaveLAN card... From mauvehead at nerp.net Sun Nov 26 21:57:07 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A21DB93.4A7BA1BF@nerp.net> I sat on a 128k ISDN for over a year. Driving down the road in your car at 128k wouldn't be bad at all. More then enuff for some eterms, ns, email, and irc of course. Or get a real damn big cable and spool on the back of your truck..... nah.. Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:50:58PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >So, just saw an advert for Ricochet 128kbps wireless. So who's gonna be > >the first with a wireless linux box in minnesota, hmmm? ;) > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 26 22:06:35 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless Message-ID: I must have this for my car. Is it a directional antenna though? I wonder if I can make a smaller than 128kbps OGG/Vorbis stream. The encoder only goes down to 128kbps now, that's too fast for a 128kbps link. 112kbps might work. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:57 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless I sat on a 128k ISDN for over a year. Driving down the road in your car at 128k wouldn't be bad at all. More then enuff for some eterms, ns, email, and irc of course. Or get a real damn big cable and spool on the back of your truck..... nah.. Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:50:58PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >So, just saw an advert for Ricochet 128kbps wireless. So who's gonna be > >the first with a wireless linux box in minnesota, hmmm? ;) > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 22:24:16 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> <20001126211730.A20358@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A21E1F0.A275F056@tcfreenet.org> > yep. all that has indeed occurred to me. However, as I believe I > mentioned in my first post; it seems that the X server binary needs to be > SUID root in order for the .xserverrc file to work. (which it's not, in X4). > of course, it's quite possible I'm wrong. How things are set up on a RH7 system: cal@bigtime:~$ ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/ |grep X lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Sep 28 13:56 X -> Xwrapper -rwx--x--x 1 root root 1538632 Aug 30 14:55 XFree86 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27499 Aug 30 14:54 Xmark -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2321432 Aug 30 14:55 Xprt -rws--x--x 1 root root 6024 Aug 30 14:55 Xwrapper X is a symlink to Xwrapper which is suid. I think its a redhat securityism though. I'm pretty sure it was with XFree 3.3.x... How did you install X? Reinsall the package, or verify the package or something if you want to be sure. Or just set XFree86 SUID. :P From fjorn at mninter.net Sun Nov 26 22:23:47 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > Sure as hell beats the 56k dial up modem I'm stuck with at home. No cable modem, no DSL available yet. At last calls I made one said "We're working on it, no time frame yet." The other pretty much said "Sure, you can get cable modem. Just as soon as hell freezes over." From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 26 22:32:58 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: Message-ID: <3A21E3FA.3016BCD0@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I must have this for my car. Is it a directional antenna though? > > I wonder if I can make a smaller than 128kbps OGG/Vorbis stream. The > encoder only goes down to 128kbps now, that's too fast for a 128kbps link. > 112kbps might work. Just start your home box shoutcasting at 112kbps. Tune in in your car. Ta da, the future of radio. No need for expensive local storage in your car. "Its time for our own radio station" -- Ralph Nader. From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Nov 26 22:34:22 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless In-Reply-To: <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net>; from fjorn@mninter.net on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 10:23:47PM -0600 References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20001126223421.A2111@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 10:23:47PM -0600, Fjorn wrote: >Ben Lutgens wrote: >cable modem, no DSL available yet. At last calls I made one said "We're >working on it, no time frame yet." The other pretty much said "Sure, >you can get cable modem. Just as soon as hell freezes over." Damn, more than enough reason for me to move. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001126/70b33aec/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 27 00:06:14 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless Message-ID: >Just start your home box shoutcasting at 112kbps. Tune in in your car. >Ta da, the future of radio. No need for expensive local storage in your >car. Shoutcast or Icecast don't do Vorbis yet. MP3 sounds like crap compared to Vorbis, and you REALLY hear it on a nice car system. I burned the new limp bizkit album to CD from 160kbps mp3's, and it sounded terrible at high volume. I just bought the same CD and it doesn't have any of the distortion or crap in it at the same volume. I haven't tried encoding to Vorbis and back to CD yet, but with studio headphones, you can really hear the difference in Vorbis compared to MP3. Hrm, with Ricochet, I could run a webserver from my car that was hooked to a GPS and people could see on the webpage where my car is at all times. Maybe that's not such a good idea after all... Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:33 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I must have this for my car. Is it a directional antenna though? > > I wonder if I can make a smaller than 128kbps OGG/Vorbis stream. The > encoder only goes down to 128kbps now, that's too fast for a 128kbps link. > 112kbps might work. Just start your home box shoutcasting at 112kbps. Tune in in your car. Ta da, the future of radio. No need for expensive local storage in your car. "Its time for our own radio station" -- Ralph Nader. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Mon Nov 27 04:09:44 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] C++ the deathstar?? Message-ID: Is C++ the death star to C? I just read some news that shocked me! Page 420-421 O'Reilly "Running Linux" 3rd edition: "There's also a new kid on the block, egcs. egcs is not a completely new compiler, but is based on gcc. egcs has some advanced optimization features and is especially strong when it comes to C++ features like templates and namespaces. If you are going to do serious C++ programming, you will probably want to check it out"... (My C happy-face wrinkles repugnantly at the visual of a template, point and click object-oriented Candy Land) "The Free Software Foundation has recently announced that egcs will become their default compiler, thus replacing egcs' own ancestor gcc." !!!!!????!!!!!????? Is C on a one way trip to Hades, to join its friends B and COBOL in an icy logic tomb while fuzzy windows move into town?? - Jamie From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 27 04:32:42 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: Message-ID: <3A22384A.853B38E@tcfreenet.org> > Vorbis, and you REALLY hear it on a nice car system. I burned the new limp > bizkit album to CD from 160kbps mp3's, and it sounded terrible at high Which encoder? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 27 04:34:17 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21E3FA.3016BCD0@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A2238A9.7C29C7A@tcfreenet.org> > Just start your home box shoutcasting at 112kbps. Tune in in your car. > Ta da, the future of radio. No need for expensive local storage in your > car. Just expesive wireless service *cough* Nothing like giving yourself a dose of reality... ;) From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Nov 27 04:35:36 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? References: <3A217CC9.BCD314B8@thouck.com> <3A21A86B.42E70773@tcfreenet.org> <20001126192058.B1279@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A2238F8.6EB39083@tcfreenet.org> > You accept the fact that he is a llama and redirect all his lame ass comments > to /dev/null But how will he ever learn? And whats the point of having a 2 year uptime if you can't flaunt it? ;) From andy at theasis.com Mon Nov 27 06:03:49 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] C++ the deathstar?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is C on a one way trip to Hades, to join its friends B and COBOL > in an icy logic tomb while fuzzy windows move into town?? No, panic not. egcs is a C/C++ compiler. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 27 08:53:06 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless Message-ID: > > Vorbis, and you REALLY hear it on a nice car system. I > burned the new limp > > bizkit album to CD from 160kbps mp3's, and it sounded > terrible at high > > Which encoder? Dunno, I grabbed the mp3's from Napster. Probably Xing since everyone insists on using that crappy encoder because it's so fast. Grab oggenc and the xmms or winamp plugin from Vorbis.com and prepare to be spoiled. The only thing that sucks is the encoding process is not nearly as fast as mp3. :( Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:33 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless > > > > Vorbis, and you REALLY hear it on a nice car system. I > burned the new limp > > bizkit album to CD from 160kbps mp3's, and it sounded > terrible at high > > Which encoder? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 27 09:42:24 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: old search engines -- was: Re: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:18:22PM -0600 References: <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001127094224.A9850@real-time.com> > not true! if you knew how to use a search engine a couple years ago, it > would give you the results.. you just had to know how to ask it. :) > > *fondly remembers the days of metacrawler/altavista..* ok. Lycos Advanced Search was pretty good; since you could use all kinds of cool modifiers like ADJ, NEAR, and "". unfortunately; they dumbed it down to the lowest lusers' level; removing their differentiation from all the other search engines. now they just try to advertise better than everyone else. :( Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 27 09:46:22 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A2281CE.29EB0C54@fandre.com> Fjorn wrote: > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > > > > Sure as hell beats the 56k dial up modem I'm stuck with at home. No > cable modem, no DSL available yet. At last calls I made one said "We're > working on it, no time frame yet." The other pretty much said "Sure, > you can get cable modem. Just as soon as hell freezes over." Where the heck do you live? You try http://dlsreports.com yet? From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 27 09:49:25 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <3A21D6F2.EDC890F1@urbanrage.com>; from eric@urbanrage.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:37:22PM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> <3A21D6F2.EDC890F1@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <20001127094925.B9850@real-time.com> > why not just > startx -- +xinerama yep. tried that too. was working at first. > and if you want it the default alias your startx > > alias startx 'startx -- +xinerama' it's not a matter of making it *work* (got that done.. cheated and made XFree86 SUID root); I want to find out how it's supposed to work. :) of course, I sometimes wonder if the X people themselves know how it's supposed to work. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From rjb at artimex.com Mon Nov 27 09:51:44 2000 From: rjb at artimex.com (Bob Brashear) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> <3A2281CE.29EB0C54@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A228310.39772DD4@artimex.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Fjorn wrote: > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > > > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > > > > > > > Sure as hell beats the 56k dial up modem I'm stuck with at home. No > > cable modem, no DSL available yet. At last calls I made one said "We're > > working on it, no time frame yet." The other pretty much said "Sure, > > you can get cable modem. Just as soon as hell freezes over." > > Where the heck do you live? You try http://dlsreports.com yet? Same situation in Richfield. DSL is available if the wiring is routed directly to the central office. If not (as in my case), and wiring is routed through China, Qworst "response" is "someday, somehow". -- Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!" From rjb at artimex.com Mon Nov 27 09:53:44 2000 From: rjb at artimex.com (Bob Brashear) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> <3A2281CE.29EB0C54@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A228388.DEBD63AC@artimex.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Where the heck do you live? You try http://dlsreports.com yet? BTW, did you know that this url redirects to www.wickedpuppy.com? The "daily sex report...". -- Bob Brashear voice: 612-374-4643 The One-Off CD Shop Minneapolis email: rjb@artimex.com "The meek SHALL inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!" From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 27 10:22:45 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] C++ the deathstar?? In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:09:44AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001127102245.C21706@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:09:44AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > (My C happy-face wrinkles repugnantly at the visual of a template, point > and click object-oriented Candy Land) I'm not a C++ guy, so I may be wrong (and expect to be repeatedly and verbosely corrected if I am...), but my understanding of "templates" in the context of C++ is that they are a language construct which allows you to define generic classes (and functions?). For instance, you could create a 'sort' method which takes a generic 'pile-o-data' as a parameter and then pass it a linked list, array, collection, or any other data structure of the week (as long as it's a properly-defined pile-o-data, of course) and get it sorted. (I would imagine that this is implemented using a lot of the same logic as OO polymorphism, but, again, that's just a guess based on hearsay.) C++ templates have nothing to do with pointy clicky GUI garbage. (Neither does OO, for that matter. I think that misconception is probably the result of marketing droids who assume that the "objects" in "object-oriented" must mean "those things I can see on the screen". As usual, their grasp of the technology they mean to sell is tenuous, at best.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 27 10:22:45 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] C++ the deathstar?? In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:09:44AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001127102245.C21706@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:09:44AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > (My C happy-face wrinkles repugnantly at the visual of a template, point > and click object-oriented Candy Land) I'm not a C++ guy, so I may be wrong (and expect to be repeatedly and verbosely corrected if I am...), but my understanding of "templates" in the context of C++ is that they are a language construct which allows you to define generic classes (and functions?). For instance, you could create a 'sort' method which takes a generic 'pile-o-data' as a parameter and then pass it a linked list, array, collection, or any other data structure of the week (as long as it's a properly-defined pile-o-data, of course) and get it sorted. (I would imagine that this is implemented using a lot of the same logic as OO polymorphism, but, again, that's just a guess based on hearsay.) C++ templates have nothing to do with pointy clicky GUI garbage. (Neither does OO, for that matter. I think that misconception is probably the result of marketing droids who assume that the "objects" in "object-oriented" must mean "those things I can see on the screen". As usual, their grasp of the technology they mean to sell is tenuous, at best.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Mon Nov 27 10:23:08 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless In-Reply-To: <3A2281CE.29EB0C54@fandre.com> Message-ID: <000e01c0588e$54454500$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > Fjorn wrote: > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than > sitting in my cold ass > > > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > > > > > > > Sure as hell beats the 56k dial up modem I'm stuck with at home. No > > cable modem, no DSL available yet. At last calls I made one said "We're > > working on it, no time frame yet." The other pretty much said "Sure, > > you can get cable modem. Just as soon as hell freezes over." > > Where the heck do you live? You try http://dlsreports.com yet? I think you meant http://dslreports.com :P Jon From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 27 11:02:41 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [nate@redhat.com: Re: Red Hat Linux 7/Alpha to go live on Monday] Message-ID: <20001127110241.H30263@real-time.com> Just thought I'd share with the LUG that our mirror site now has the official Redhat 7.0 ALPHA stuff online. > > > Hi guys. The Alpha release of Red Hat Linux 7 is scheduled to go live > > > on our web site on Monday, November 25 at 11:00 am EST. > > > > Given that permissions are not available on the directory at this moment > > I assume that the above date should be Monday, November 27 rather than > > Saturday, November 25. > > > > The go live is Today November 27, at 11:00 am EST. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eric at urbanrage.com Mon Nov 27 11:16:56 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> <3A21D6F2.EDC890F1@urbanrage.com> <20001127094925.B9850@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A229708.9A1C74B2@urbanrage.com> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > why not just > > startx -- +xinerama > > yep. tried that too. was working at first. > > > and if you want it the default alias your startx > > > > alias startx 'startx -- +xinerama' > > it's not a matter of making it *work* (got that done.. cheated and made > XFree86 SUID root); I want to find out how it's supposed to work. :) If that's what you wanted :) (I must have missed an earlier part of the conversation) X doesn't need to run as root. X can run as the user but the devices (like keyboard, mouse, display buffers, and some other things maybe) need to be owned by the user that you want it to run as. So to make things simpler (the powers that be) added Xwrapper to the mix which does the suid root before calling X so the ownership issues go away. A way to see this explicitly would be to write an xdm/gdm replacement. Or if you run solaris on a sparc install opie. opie replaces login, but doesn't 100% get the permissions thing right. Eric From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 27 11:19:06 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <000e01c0588e$54454500$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <3A22978A.9C07FA01@fandre.com> Jonathan Erickson wrote: > > > Fjorn wrote: > > > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than > > sitting in my cold ass > > > > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > > > > > > > > > > Sure as hell beats the 56k dial up modem I'm stuck with at home. No > > > cable modem, no DSL available yet. At last calls I made one said "We're > > > working on it, no time frame yet." The other pretty much said "Sure, > > > you can get cable modem. Just as soon as hell freezes over." > > > > Where the heck do you live? You try http://dlsreports.com yet? > > I think you meant http://dslreports.com :P Yea, as far as you know. Anyway, I live in Andover and USWest/Qwest "Can't do nothin' for ya, man." So I had to stoop to IDSL from Rhythyms. Runs over an ISDN line and only supports 144K up/down, but it's a lot better than dial-up. From kethry at winternet.com Mon Nov 27 11:26:55 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless In-Reply-To: <3A22978A.9C07FA01@fandre.com> Message-ID: > Anyway, I live in Andover and USWest/Qwest "Can't do nothin' for ya, > man." So I had to stoop to IDSL from Rhythyms. Runs over an ISDN line > and only supports 144K up/down, but it's a lot better than dial-up. *nod* this is what we have too (live rather close to downtown St. Paul) for the same reasons - though we go through Flashcom.net - I HATE their service - they DON'T know what they're doing, and I'm afraid to set up the linux box this weekend now that we have the second IP address up and running...how's rhythyms? What IDSL router do you use? We have a Flowpoint something or other. Liz Burke-Scovill -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 27 11:41:16 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick and dirty firewall -- coyote linux Message-ID: I just installed Coyote Linux for a friend this weekend. Very cool. http://www.coyotelinux.com, click on the Free version. The only difference is that the pay version comes with a GUI for win 98 that helps you create the disk. If you view the web board, there are instructions on installing ssh on it so you don't have to telnet in to it. When you start the installer, it asks you if you are using PPPoE, PPP dialup, or ethernet for an internet connection. He was using a dialup, so it proceeded to ask me the internal addresses on the network, my ISP phone number, user/pass, whether I wanted to run a dhcp server, the COM port of my modem, etc. In all, it took about 5 minutes to set up. I also got it to install the ip_masq_icq module which doesn't come with it, I put instructions for that on the web board. It includes ipmasqadm so you can forward outside ports to inside machines (for running webservers, etc.). If you're looking for a quick and dirty masquerade box/firewall, coyote is very cool. Jay From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 27 11:50:33 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? References: <3A217CC9.BCD314B8@thouck.com> <3A21A86B.42E70773@tcfreenet.org> <20001126192058.B1279@socrates.sistina.com> <3A2238F8.6EB39083@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A229EE8.25C89D91@thouck.com> So this brings me to my next point. There are two types of gurus. 1. Those with ungodly long uptimes. However, these gurus tend to say things like "Are you crazy? Reboot? For the love of God, why?" and "Check it out! This uptime is older than my son!" They have their uptime somewhere in /etc/issue. 2. Have a daily cron job downloading the latest kernel, make && make dep && make clean && make bzImage && etc. etc. And their highest uptime is 23 hours 56 minutes. This runs regardless of the frequency of actual kernel updates. Timothy Callum Lerwick wrote: > > You accept the fact that he is a llama and redirect all his lame ass comments > > to /dev/null > > But how will he ever learn? And whats the point of having a 2 year > uptime if you can't flaunt it? ;) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 27 11:45:18 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startup hassles. In-Reply-To: <3A229708.9A1C74B2@urbanrage.com>; from eric@urbanrage.com on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:16:56AM -0600 References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> <3A21A7DE.A057373A@tcfreenet.org> <3A21D6F2.EDC890F1@urbanrage.com> <20001127094925.B9850@real-time.com> <3A229708.9A1C74B2@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <20001127114518.C20089@real-time.com> > X doesn't need to run as root. X can run as the user but the devices > (like keyboard, mouse, display buffers, and some other things maybe) > need to be owned by the user that you want it to run as. So to make > things simpler (the powers that be) added Xwrapper to the mix which does > the suid root before calling X so the ownership issues go away. I thought I detected the icy hand of Xwrapper in this mess... and of course, there still isn't any documentation on it. :( so far, your explanation is the best I've seen on it. :) thanks, Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 27 11:57:32 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <3A229EE8.25C89D91@thouck.com>; from thouck@thouck.com on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:50:33AM -0600 References: <3A217CC9.BCD314B8@thouck.com> <3A21A86B.42E70773@tcfreenet.org> <20001126192058.B1279@socrates.sistina.com> <3A2238F8.6EB39083@tcfreenet.org> <3A229EE8.25C89D91@thouck.com> Message-ID: <20001127115732.A21907@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:50:33AM -0600, Timothy Houck wrote: > 2. Have a daily cron job downloading the latest kernel, make && make dep && make > clean Seems kinda counterproductive to make dep before you make clean... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From thouck at thouck.com Mon Nov 27 12:07:54 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <20001127115732.A21907@sherohman.org> Message-ID: http://howto.tucows.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2 On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:50:33AM -0600, Timothy Houck wrote: > > 2. Have a daily cron job downloading the latest kernel, make && make dep && make > > clean > > Seems kinda counterproductive to make dep before you make clean... > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From cop7586 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 27 12:10:05 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CCNA Books? Message-ID: I have been thinking about taking the CCNA. I was thinking about buying a book. Anybody have any recommendations? Thanks, Chris Opp _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Nov 27 12:12:09 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] C++ the deathstar?? In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:09:44AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001127121209.E551@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:09:44AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > Is C++ the death star to C? I just read some news that shocked me! > When I saw this I asked the kernel hackers here at work about this. What they tell me is this in a nutshell and edited for space. a: gcc has been nearly completely integrated into egcs b: egcs compiles both C, and C++ c: Noone would do kernel/device driver or other low-level hacking in C++ So fear not young jedi, the rebelion is far from crushed. > Page 420-421 O'Reilly "Running Linux" 3rd edition: > >"There's also a new kid on the block, egcs. egcs is not a completely new >compiler, but is based on gcc. egcs has some advanced optimization >features and is especially strong when it comes to C++ features like >templates and namespaces. If you are going to do serious C++ programming, >you will probably want to check it out"... > > (My C happy-face wrinkles repugnantly at the visual of a template, point >and click object-oriented Candy Land) > > > "The Free Software Foundation has recently announced that egcs will >become their default compiler, thus replacing egcs' own ancestor gcc." > > !!!!!????!!!!!????? > > Is C on a one way trip to Hades, to join its friends B and COBOL >in an icy logic tomb while fuzzy windows move into town?? > > - Jamie > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 27 12:22:31 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: ; from thouck@thouck.com on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:07:54AM -0800 References: <20001127115732.A21907@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001127122231.B21907@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:07:54AM -0800, Timothy Houck wrote: > http://howto.tucows.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2 Funky... I'm used to make clean removing everything that has been created by make. Anyone know the reasoning behind make clean leaving the bits that make dep created alone? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Nov 27 12:23:38 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting #2, Thursday November 30th Message-ID: <3A22A6AA.4D3666A4@fruitioninc.com> Hi All - Sorry about the short notice, but this Thursday, November 30th, we'll be having yet another informal beer meeting. This time we're meeting at Billy's on Grand in St. paul. Minors will be allowed until 7pm for sure, possibly until 8. Date: Thursday, Nov 30th Time: 5:30 - 8 pm Place: Billy's on Grand 857 Grand Ave St Paul, MN 651-292-1316 Directions: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00028280&address=857+Grand+Ave&city=St+Paul&state=&postal_code=55105-3398&cross_street=&phone=%28651%29+292-1316&map_it.x=31&map_it.y=18 This time I'll bring a little TCLUG sign for the table and the reservations are for the TCLUG, so ask a server/ host if you can't find us. Hope to see you there! Jacque From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Nov 27 12:29:34 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Penguin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00112712321502.05534@Billbob_Linux> He he, this guy has more attitude than tux... http://www.sanrio.com Check out 'Badtz Maru' character bio, online games & merch. I'm hooked. I particularly enjoy the (translated directly from Japanese..?) character bio. Remember Hello Kitty? :) -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 27 12:39:39 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] C++ the deathstar?? In-Reply-To: <20001127121209.E551@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 12:12:09PM -0600 References: <20001127121209.E551@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001127123939.C1381@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 12:12:09PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > When I saw this I asked the kernel hackers here at work about this. > What they tell me is this in a nutshell and edited for space. > a: gcc has been nearly completely integrated into egcs > b: egcs compiles both C, and C++ > c: Noone would do kernel/device driver or other low-level hacking in C++ > > So fear not young jedi, the rebelion is far from crushed. Snippet from the GCC Home page[1]: In April 1999, the egcs steering committee was appointed by the FSF as the official GNU maintainer for GCC. At that time GCC was renamed from the "GNU C Compiler" to the "GNU Compiler Collection" and received a new mission statement. Currently GCC contains front-ends for C, C++, Objective C, Chill, Fortran, and Java (GCJ). With regards to egcs, it was rolled back into gcc back at release 3.95 in July of 1999[2]. In other words, there is no such thing as EGCS any more. Snippet from the g++(1)[3]: NAME g++ - GNU project C++ Compiler SYNOPSIS g++ [option | filename ]... DESCRIPTION The C and C++ compilers are integrated; g++ is a script to call gcc with options to recognize C++. gcc processes Other Links of interes: GCC FAQ-o-Matic: What is the Relationship between GCC and EGCS? http://gcc.gnu.org/fom_serv/cache/8.html Front-ends to GCC: http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/frontends.html RESOURCES ------------- [1] GCC Home Page: http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/gcc.html [2] GCC Releases: http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/releases.html [3] Manpage for g++(1) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001127/a0f6cbf4/attachment.pgp From adamm at sihope.com Mon Nov 27 13:03:08 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CCNA Books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CCNA Exam Certification Guide by Cisco Press. It's on my shelf now. It comes with a CD with the sample test. My recommendation is to read through the whole thing lightly. After each chapter take the sample test that follows it (in the book that is). Re-read the chapter till you can ace the practice part, then go on. After you've gone through the whole book then start taking the practice exam until you can pass it with a good margin of error. Then go to Sylvan and take the test. I got through the book in about a week, reading it during my CSci 1902 lectures. Before the book I was scoring about 75%, almost enough to pass. After the book I could score 90% or above each time. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Chris Opp wrote: > > > I have been thinking about taking the CCNA. I was thinking about buying a > book. Anybody have any recommendations? > > > > > Thanks, > > Chris Opp > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Nov 27 13:57:48 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2mbox converters? Message-ID: <20001127135748.A8696@socrates.sistina.com> Hey all, I am converting from sendmail / cyrus to qmail / courier. I have some imap-only users who would like to keep thier mail in tact as is. Problem is cyrus keeps things in an odd format. I need to find a utility to convert from cyrus style mailboxes to mbox or Maildir format to make the transition to the new mail server. The mbox to Maildir conversion is easy, a util comes with qmail to do just that (I really really like qmail, Dan Bernstein is my hero) so if I could get the cyrus boxes into mbox, I'd be golden. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. As I have searched every search engine I know of and turned up nothing. The documentation for cyrus sucks, and there is no mentiion anywhere of converting from those oddball mailboxes to anything else. TIA -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This gets stripped either at sendmail or by deliver (I don't recall which). You could make a fake one from the "From:" line Then cat all the files into one. Eric From ben at nerp.net Mon Nov 27 14:13:42 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better Penguin In-Reply-To: <00112712321502.05534@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: yes.. bad badtz maru, hrmmm.. http://tdavis.org/badtzmaru/ Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." From eric at urbanrage.com Mon Nov 27 14:18:55 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2mbox converters? References: <20001127135748.A8696@socrates.sistina.com> <3A22BF58.6BA1E752@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <3A22C1AF.CB304B47@urbanrage.com> eric wrote: > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > Hey all, I am converting from sendmail / cyrus to qmail / courier. > > I have some imap-only users who would like to keep thier mail in tact as is. > > Problem is cyrus keeps things in an odd format. I need to find a utility to > > convert from cyrus style mailboxes to mbox or Maildir format to make the > > transition to the new mail server. > > The two things you need to do to convert from cyrus back to mbox is > re-create the "From " header line at the beginning of each file. This > gets stripped either at sendmail or by deliver (I don't recall which). > You could make a fake one from the "From:" line > > Then cat all the files into one. > > Eric The "From " line looks like this From eric at urbanrage.com Mon Nov 27 15:07:36 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2mbox converters? References: <20001127135748.A8696@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A22CD18.6BC65392@urbanrage.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Hey all, I am converting from sendmail / cyrus to qmail / courier. > I have some imap-only users who would like to keep thier mail in tact as is. > Problem is cyrus keeps things in an odd format. I need to find a utility to > convert from cyrus style mailboxes to mbox or Maildir format to make the > transition to the new mail server. > > The mbox to Maildir conversion is easy, a util comes with qmail to do just > that (I really really like qmail, Dan Bernstein is my hero) so if I could get > the cyrus boxes into mbox, I'd be golden. > > Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. As I have searched every search > engine I know of and turned up nothing. The documentation for cyrus sucks, and > there is no mentiion anywhere of converting from those oddball mailboxes to > anything else. > try this perl script (it's ugly q&d). The only messages it failed on for me was spam that deliberately left out the From: line. It prints it's output to standard out and is non-destructive to original messages. I ran it like this perl from.pl /usr/local/cyrus/spool/user/paul/[0-9]*. > test.mbox ( I need to teach my spell checker about perl ) Eric --- cut --- #!/usr/local/bin/perl foreach $file (@ARGV) { open (TMP, $file) or do { print STDERR "Couldn't open $file : $!\n"; next; }; undef $who; undef @body; undef @header; while () { push @header, $_; chomp; if (/^From: /) { # what we want if (m/From:\s+(?:.*?)<(.*)>(?:.*)$/) { $who = $1; } else { # wasn't angled so hope for the best s/^From:\s+(.*?)(?:[()\s]+.*)$/$1/; print STDERR "From [$_]\n"; $who = $_; $who =~ tr/\"//d; # remove quotes } } last if ($_ eq "\n"); # this could burn you if blank line isn't newline last if ($_ eq "\r\n"); } @body = ; close TMP; if ((!defined($who) || ($who eq ""))) { print STDERR "Not able to determine who it's from (skipping $file)\n"; } else { $time = localtime(); print "From $who $time\n"; print @header; print "\n"; print @body; print "\n"; } } --- end cut --- > TIA > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Nov 27 12:29:32 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (Fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> <3A2281CE.29EB0C54@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A22A80C.3791E6C5@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Fjorn wrote: > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > I'd rather be able to surf from home or the office than sitting in my cold ass > > > Jeep in the winter. Sides 128kbps isn't that fast. > Where the heck do you live? You try http://dlsreports.com yet? Forest Lake. Media One stops two miles south of the house, and won't let me run a cable to their boxes. Qwest seems to think we're too far out in the boonies, yet I live right in town and 3/4 mile from the switching station there. I'd think about ISDN, but the cost is a little prohibitive. Local cable company has thought about it, but my guess is that they don't want to pay the hardware costs. US Cable if I remember correctly. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 27 16:11:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bios backup Message-ID: Ok, I have this Intel MB sitting here, and I need to take the bios off of it and flash it onto an identical board. The bios chip is not removable, so I'm hoping I can find some kind of floppy disk that will boot and suck the image down onto it. Anyone have any idea how I could do this? Preferably it would be automated since the box with the bios I need doesn't have a video card. I assume I could make a linux boot disk with console to serial port support, but I still need to know how to grab the bios image and write it back to the other board. Does the flash bios show up in /dev at all? Jay From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Nov 27 16:14:36 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bios backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not sure how to help without a monitor, but typically the flash utilities have a way to dump the BIOS to a rom file, which you could save to the floppy and then flash elsewhere. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I have this Intel MB sitting here, and I need to take the bios off of it > and flash it onto an identical board. The bios chip is not removable, so > I'm hoping I can find some kind of floppy disk that will boot and suck the > image down onto it. Anyone have any idea how I could do this? > > Preferably it would be automated since the box with the bios I need doesn't > have a video card. I assume I could make a linux boot disk with console to > serial port support, but I still need to know how to grab the bios image and > write it back to the other board. Does the flash bios show up in /dev at > all? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Nov 27 16:16:09 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless In-Reply-To: Liz Burke-Scovill's message of "Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:26:55 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Liz Burke-Scovill writes: > *nod* this is what we have too (live rather close to downtown St. Paul) > for the same reasons - though we go through Flashcom.net - I HATE their > service - they DON'T know what they're doing, and I'm afraid to set up the > linux box this weekend now that we have the second IP address up and > running...how's rhythyms? What IDSL router do you use? We have a Flowpoint > something or other. > I've got a Flowpoint for IDSL and it seems to work ok. I just give the IP to my Linux box and route all traffic through that. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Nov 27 16:14:58 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ricochet wireless In-Reply-To: Bob Brashear's message of "Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:51:44 -0600" References: <3A21DA22.9EC734B2@tcfreenet.org> <20001126215217.A1674@socrates.sistina.com> <3A21E1D3.9D713192@mninter.net> <3A2281CE.29EB0C54@fandre.com> <3A228310.39772DD4@artimex.com> Message-ID: Bob Brashear writes: > Same situation in Richfield. DSL is available if the wiring is routed > directly to the central office. If not (as in my case), and wiring is > routed through China, Qworst "response" is "someday, somehow". Got the same thing in St. Louis Park too. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Nov 27 16:30:48 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bios backup References: Message-ID: <3A22E098.81994D2D@ltiflex.com> I'm not sure what BIOS you have, but I know that Award BIOS has a flash utility that has enough command line options to backup and flash a bios from autoexec.bat (DOS boot disk) Quite useful when if your BIOS doens't flash properly or you flash the wrong version, even if you hose it there is part of the BIOS that will still look at the floppy drive and run autoexec.bat if it exisits. This feature saved my computer a couple times. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From wilson at visi.com Mon Nov 27 16:34:36 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick and dirty firewall -- coyote linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I just installed Coyote Linux for a friend this weekend. Very cool. I'm going to be trying Coyote just as soon as my DSL line is connected. (Was supposed to be up today, 11/27) > http://www.coyotelinux.com, click on the Free version. The only difference > is that the pay version comes with a GUI for win 98 that helps you create > the disk. If you view the web board, there are instructions on installing > ssh on it so you don't have to telnet in to it. Were you able to determine the difference between the stable and development versions? I didn't see anything detailing that at the Website. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 27 17:28:25 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick and dirty firewall -- coyote linux Message-ID: I grabbed version 1.22. > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:35 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Quick and dirty firewall -- coyote linux > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I just installed Coyote Linux for a friend this weekend. Very cool. > > I'm going to be trying Coyote just as soon as my DSL line is > connected. (Was > supposed to be up today, 11/27) > > > http://www.coyotelinux.com, click on the Free version. The > only difference > > is that the pay version comes with a GUI for win 98 that > helps you create > > the disk. If you view the web board, there are > instructions on installing > > ssh on it so you don't have to telnet in to it. > > Were you able to determine the difference between the stable > and development > versions? I didn't see anything detailing that at the Website. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Mon Nov 27 18:46:35 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UP time? In-Reply-To: <20001127122231.B21907@sherohman.org> References: <20001127115732.A21907@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <200011280043.SAA25122@mail.destef.com> "make dep; make clean" or "make clean; make dep" doesnt make a difference especially if you did a "make mrproper; make config" first. At 12:22 PM 11/27/00 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:07:54AM -0800, Timothy Houck wrote: >> http://howto.tucows.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2 > >Funky... I'm used to make clean removing everything that has been created by >make. Anyone know the reasoning behind make clean leaving the bits that make >dep created alone? > >-- >"Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist >"So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton >Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ >!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 27 18:46:33 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] University of Washington ipop3d and large number of email Message-ID: <20001127184633.D17864@real-time.com> Anyone having problems with University of Washington ipop3d and large number of emails? I use to think this was an Outlook problem and not being able to handle 1. Large sized email 2. Large quanity of email But Chewie says he has had to turn fetchmail down to 20 message chunks. On testing he found that 50+ messages causes ipop3d to just terminate. I am not seeing anything in the log files. We run ipop3d from inetd, with a nowait.100 to allow lots of pop processes. Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From manero at yossman.net Mon Nov 27 19:30:08 2000 From: manero at yossman.net (Anthony Collen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23871] University of Washington ipop3d and large number of email In-Reply-To: <20001127184633.D17864@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone having problems with University of Washington ipop3d and large number of > emails? > > I use to think this was an Outlook problem and not being able to handle > > 1. Large sized email > 2. Large quanity of email > > But Chewie says he has had to turn fetchmail down to 20 message chunks. On > testing he found that 50+ messages causes ipop3d to just terminate. > > I am not seeing anything in the log files. > > We run ipop3d from inetd, with a nowait.100 to allow lots of pop processes. > > Any ideas? > Try cucipop. I've noticed a general theme of suckiness coming from stuff written at Washington U. Tony From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 01:05:25 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NewBI Question References: <20001126104714.A3165@real-time.com> <20001126120402.B357@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126130015.A7570@real-time.com> <20001126150329.A820@socrates.sistina.com> <20001126151527.A8052@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A235935.614C658@tc.umn.edu> Is there a command to find the local ip without using the nameserver ? (like winipcfg sort of) Apu From ben at nerp.net Mon Nov 27 22:55:21 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NewBI Question In-Reply-To: <3A235935.614C658@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: ifconfig Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Apu wrote: > > Is there a command to find the local ip without using the nameserver ? > (like winipcfg sort of) > > Apu > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From parker at mi-recordz.com Mon Nov 27 22:54:39 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NewBI Question In-Reply-To: <3A235935.614C658@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, > Is there a command to find the local ip without using the nameserver ? > (like winipcfg sort of) ifconfig will probably give you plenty of information. $whereis ifconfig ifconfig: /sbin/ifconfig /usr/man/man8/ifconfig.8 $/sbin/ifconfig > Apu > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 28 02:11:51 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetSol, Guardian and GNU PG? Message-ID: <20001128021151.L25884@real-time.com> Anyone know if NetSol support GNU PG for the Guardian stuff? All I can find is that they support pgp 2.6 -> pgp 7.0. Now, I know I can config gpg to generate compat stuff, but what "release" of pgp is gpg? If that makes sense. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 28 02:49:24 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS Message-ID: <20001128024924.A3760@real-time.com> The ORBS people sure don't make it easy to figure out HOW to use ORBS to secure your network. MAPS has a great step-by-step. I cannot find the config on ORBS web site on how to config sendmail to use ORBS. I know I'll use something similar to the MAPS stuff, but I cannot find the IP addresses I need to snarf the data from. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 07:21:35 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS In-Reply-To: <20001128024924.A3760@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:49:24AM -0600 References: <20001128024924.A3760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001128072135.A2110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I just went to the ORBS main page and found the info in just one click. Go to www.orbs.org and click on "How do I use ORBS to protect my email?". Or, just go here http://www.orbs.org/usingindex.html :) Gabe On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:49:24AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > The ORBS people sure don't make it easy to figure out HOW to use ORBS to secure > your network. > > MAPS has a great step-by-step. I cannot find the config on ORBS web site on how > to config sendmail to use ORBS. > > I know I'll use something similar to the MAPS stuff, but I cannot find the IP > addresses I need to snarf the data from. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 28 07:38:20 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've apt-get upgraded my workstation to XFree 4.0.1, but I'm having trouble with kdm. When I put in my password I get the following error message: Startup program /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup_0 exited with non-zero status. Please contact your system administrator Please press OK to retry. I've looked at Xstartup_0 and I don't see anything fishy. I suspect a permissions problem. Any insights from the X gurus out there? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Nov 28 07:54:06 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Coyote Linux on laptop, anyone? References: <200011281323.eASDNCv03546@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000901c05942$ae5b3360$1000a8c0@cschumann> I'd like to run Coyote Linux, but why use a full box with a 250W power supply (that probably consumes 600W), when I can use this laptop with an 18W? I've got a laptop with a slightly damaged screen, but it's got two PC Card slots, and I've got two 10Mbps NICs I can use (IBM Home & Away), but I'd need a kernel with PC Card and H&A support as well. Do any of you know of places to find such info? Thanks, Chris Schumann From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Nov 28 08:03:09 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat References: <200011281323.eASDNCv03546@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000d01c05943$f0a61130$1000a8c0@cschumann> I've got a machine running RedHat 6.2, and I'm trying to install the updates suggested by RedHat. For example, there's a new version of Pine (4.30). Here's the output: # rpm -Uvh pine-4.30-2.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libk5crypto.so.3 is needed by pine-4.30-2 libkrb5.so.3 is needed by pine-4.30-2 liblber.so.1 is needed by pine-4.30-2 libldap.so.1 is needed by pine-4.30-2 libncurses.so.5 is needed by pine-4.30-2 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) is needed by pine-4.30-2 So I try to install the libs. krb5-libs-1.1.1-25 works. krb5-configs-1.1.1-25 works. krb5-libs-1.2.1-8 fails with this: # rpm -Uvh krb5-libs-1.2.1-8.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by cvs-1.10.7-7 libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by fetchmail-5.3.1-1 libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by imap-4.7-5 libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by mutt-1.0.1i-6 libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by pine-4.21-8 libkrb5.so.2 is needed by cvs-1.10.7-7 libkrb5.so.2 is needed by fetchmail-5.3.1-1 libkrb5.so.2 is needed by imap-4.7-5 libkrb5.so.2 is needed by mutt-1.0.1i-6 libkrb5.so.2 is needed by pine-4.21-8 Does this mean that krb5 is trying to remove libk5crypto.so.2 and that file is needed? I tried installing instead of updating, but I get file version conflict errors. How should I proceed? Install both? Upgrade everything? Help! Many thanks, Chris Schumann From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 28 08:11:50 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Barebones 486 firewall with Coyote In-Reply-To: <000901c05942$ae5b3360$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > I'd like to run Coyote Linux, but why use a full box with > a 250W power supply (that probably consumes 600W), when I > can use this laptop with an 18W? I'm planning to use an old Compaq Deskpro for my firewall. Without the HD it's virtually silent. Should work great with Coyote Linux. BTW, I have a bunch of these old Compaqs that I can't use. I'd be willing to let some go for a small donation to my school district's Web server fund. The specs would be: * Compaq Deskpro 33 MHz 486 ("slimline" case) * 16 MB RAM * on-board video * floppy drive * 230 MB H.D. (easily removed for barebones firewall system) * 2 NICS (3Com 3C509Bs or NE-2000 clones) (would include DOS config utilities for NICs) I'm not sure how many of these I could assemble. I guess it would depend on how many people are interested. I could also sell a couple on Ebay I suppose. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 08:20:06 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: <000d01c05943$f0a61130$1000a8c0@cschumann>; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:03:09AM -0600 References: <200011281323.eASDNCv03546@sprite.real-time.com> <000d01c05943$f0a61130$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <20001128082006.C2182@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Does this mean that krb5 is trying to remove libk5crypto.so.2 and > that file is needed? Yes, it's trying to remove the old version before installing the new. The "proper" way to install updates is to use the "freshen" flag, -F, instead of -U. What I usually do is I get all the updates I need, put them in one directory, go into the directoy and do rpm -Fvh *.rpm It will figure out what the dependencies are and install them in the correct order and everything. HTH, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen every Tarzan movie ever made!" - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjn at umn.edu Tue Nov 28 09:08:46 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logging... Message-ID: I enabled kernel logging on my Redhat 6.2 box and the entry in /etc/syslog.conf for it is: kern.* /var/log/kernel/kernel And it is logging just fine. The problem is it is also logging them to /var/log/messages/messages as well...Is this the correct behavior or is something, as i think it is, amiss? Thanks ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 09:18:22 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logging... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:08:46AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001128091822.E2182@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, you probably don't need them in both places. What does your syslog.conf file say is being logged to /var/log/messages? Is kern.* in the list? Or is it just *? Whatever it is, it should provide some clues. Gabe On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:08:46AM -0600, mjn wrote: > I enabled kernel logging on my Redhat 6.2 box and the entry in > /etc/syslog.conf for it is: > > kern.* /var/log/kernel/kernel > > And it is logging just fine. The problem is it is also logging them to > /var/log/messages/messages as well...Is this the correct behavior or is > something, as i think it is, amiss? > > Thanks > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen every Tarzan movie ever made!" - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 28 09:21:51 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS followup Message-ID: Hi everyone, At the risk of repeating myself, I'd like to get a comment or two on my plan for setting up DNS on my DSL connection. I've changed a couple things and now I'm thinking of a network like the following: (Internet)-------[ Cisco 675 ]-------[ Netgear switch ] | | | | | +-------+ [ firewall ] | Web | | | mail | | | DNS | +-------------+ +-------+ | workstation | +-------------+ I have one static IP for my connection. I have reserved a domain (qwerk.org) and would like to run my own DNS to make my Web page available at www.qwerk.org. Anybody see a problem that will keep this from working? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 28 09:32:42 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Coyote Linux on laptop, anyone? Message-ID: go to ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/ and into either the coyote/ or coyotelinux/ directory. There is source in there, including the kernel they use, and the config they used. Add pcmcia support to it, recompile it, and you should be able to drop it into you coyote/ tree and replace the one that sits there. When you build your floppy, it will copy your new kernel onto the floppy. Although, depending on what kind of cards you have, you may not need pcmcia support. Isn't that primarily for hot swapping cards? I've used standard kernel drivers for pcmcia ethernet cards before and they've worked fine. If you have cards though with no corresponding module in the standard kernel distrib, you'll obviously need to add pcmcia support. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:54 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Coyote Linux on laptop, anyone? > > > I'd like to run Coyote Linux, but why use a full box with > a 250W power supply (that probably consumes 600W), when I > can use this laptop with an 18W? > > I've got a laptop with a slightly damaged screen, but it's > got two PC Card slots, and I've got two 10Mbps NICs I can > use (IBM Home & Away), but I'd need a kernel with PC Card > and H&A support as well. > > Do any of you know of places to find such info? > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Nov 28 09:47:40 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dynamic dns client as service? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00112809474002.17824@Billbob_Linux> I just set up with what seems to be a very linux-friendly, free dynamic dns provider: dynu.com. They offer a linux client, either as source (7k) or a static binary (3k). I am running the client on a host behind my Qwest DSL. You can see a slightly modified Apache test page at http://frogtown.dynu.com. Woohoo. Currently, the client needs to be loaded manually, and passed a domain & password at startup. I'm wondering what strategy I should use to run this client as a service automatically on boot. Stuff I'm pondering: 1) Is it safe to just hack the source and embed my domain & password, or is there a more logical & secure approach to that problem? 2) As which user should the client run? It doesn't need to run as root, so should it run as 'nobody','bin', 'daemon' or some other user? 3) Which script should I use to start (& stop if need be) the client? I'm thinking /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2 (Slackware 7.1) Comments & ideas much appreciated. See you ALL at Billy's on Thursday - it's only 1/2 mile from my house, so I'll be in early... too bad Billy's doesn't have any Scotch really worth drinking ;) -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From mauvehead at nerp.net Tue Nov 28 09:50:33 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS followup References: Message-ID: <3A23D449.72E47542@nerp.net> I asume your going to do NAT behind the 675 and port forward web ports to the Web/Mail/Dns box? Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > At the risk of repeating myself, I'd like to get a comment or two on my plan > for setting up DNS on my DSL connection. I've changed a couple things and > now I'm thinking of a network like the following: > > (Internet)-------[ Cisco 675 ]-------[ Netgear switch ] > | | > | | > | +-------+ > [ firewall ] | Web | > | | mail | > | | DNS | > +-------------+ +-------+ > | workstation | > +-------------+ > > I have one static IP for my connection. I have reserved a domain > (qwerk.org) and would like to run my own DNS to make my Web page available > at www.qwerk.org. > > Anybody see a problem that will keep this from working? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 28 10:02:30 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetSol, Guardian and GNU PG? In-Reply-To: <20001128021151.L25884@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:11:51AM -0600 References: <20001128021151.L25884@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001128100230.H23696@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001128 02:12]: > Now, I know I can config gpg to generate compat stuff, but what "release" of pgp > is gpg? Since its DSA/El-Gamal... its much closer to 7.x -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cause it's the smart thing to do. > >For example, there's a new version of Pine (4.30). Here's >the output: > ># rpm -Uvh pine-4.30-2.i386.rpm >error: failed dependencies: > libk5crypto.so.3 is needed by pine-4.30-2 > libkrb5.so.3 is needed by pine-4.30-2 > liblber.so.1 is needed by pine-4.30-2 > libldap.so.1 is needed by pine-4.30-2 > libncurses.so.5 is needed by pine-4.30-2 > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) is needed by pine-4.30-2 > >So I try to install the libs. krb5-libs-1.1.1-25 works. >krb5-configs-1.1.1-25 works. krb5-libs-1.2.1-8 fails >with this: > ># rpm -Uvh krb5-libs-1.2.1-8.i386.rpm >error: failed dependencies: > libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by cvs-1.10.7-7 > libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by fetchmail-5.3.1-1 > libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by imap-4.7-5 > libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by mutt-1.0.1i-6 > libk5crypto.so.2 is needed by pine-4.21-8 > libkrb5.so.2 is needed by cvs-1.10.7-7 > libkrb5.so.2 is needed by fetchmail-5.3.1-1 > libkrb5.so.2 is needed by imap-4.7-5 > libkrb5.so.2 is needed by mutt-1.0.1i-6 > libkrb5.so.2 is needed by pine-4.21-8 > >Does this mean that krb5 is trying to remove libk5crypto.so.2 and >that file is needed? > >I tried installing instead of updating, but I get file version >conflict errors. > >How should I proceed? Install both? Upgrade everything? Help! > >Many thanks, >Chris Schumann > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Look at the script and see what is being called and make sure it's installed. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 28 10:18:39 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS followup Message-ID: If you have only one static IP, it get's assigned to the 675. Everything behind the 675 gets NAT'd. You can't run an authoritative nameserver without having a public IP on it, it won't serve out it's responses correctly. If it's just a caching nameserver for your internal use, you'll be fine. It may be overkill to have another firewall behind your 675 for your workstation, but if your running sendmail on your mailserver, it might be a good idea. :) Ideally, you'd want to get a block of IP's from your ISP (Most will give you a /29 for ~$15/mo). Then you could have a setup like: (internet, not to scale)----------[cisco 675]-----[firewall] | | [netgear switch] | | | | [workstation] [webserver/mail/caching dns] If you need an authoritative dns server to host your own domain, you'll either need to stick it between the 675 and the firewall, look at bind 9's supposed support for working in a NAT'd environment, or use a free dns service like granitecanyon.com (I use them for my personal stuff, they rule). For godsakes, don't run sendmail. Use postfix or qmail. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:51 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS followup > > > I asume your going to do NAT behind the 675 and port forward web ports > to the Web/Mail/Dns box? > > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > At the risk of repeating myself, I'd like to get a comment > or two on my plan > > for setting up DNS on my DSL connection. I've changed a > couple things and > > now I'm thinking of a network like the following: > > > > (Internet)-------[ Cisco 675 ]-------[ Netgear switch ] > > | | > > | | > > | +-------+ > > [ firewall ] | Web | > > | | mail | > > | | DNS | > > +-------------+ +-------+ > > | workstation | > > +-------------+ > > > > I have one static IP for my connection. I have reserved a domain > > (qwerk.org) and would like to run my own DNS to make my Web > page available > > at www.qwerk.org. > > > > Anybody see a problem that will keep this from working? > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 28 10:22:40 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logging... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:08:46AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001128102240.D23867@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:08:46AM -0600, mjn wrote: > I enabled kernel logging on my Redhat 6.2 box and the entry in > /etc/syslog.conf for it is: > > kern.* /var/log/kernel/kernel > > And it is logging just fine. The problem is it is also logging them to > /var/log/messages/messages as well...Is this the correct behavior or is > something, as i think it is, amiss? If they were previously being logged to /var/log/messages/messages, then all is as it should be. You've defined an additional place for those log entries to be written, but you didn't tell the old log to stop recording them. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From andy at theasis.com Tue Nov 28 10:27:26 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: <20001128101306.D3106@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: > >I've got a machine running RedHat 6.2, and I'm trying > >to install the updates suggested by RedHat. > > You know, if you where running debian it would be as simple as > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > go get cup of coffee Yeah, but the new user would have to know to do that. Just like in the redhat case he'd have to know to use rpm -Fvh *.rpm As for this automatic get thing you guys get so excited about, I've never bothered to look because I'd rather grab the rpms when it's convenient for me, and put them in a place where the other 8 computers can get at them. I don't see what's so hard about ncftp ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/pub/linux/redhat/updates/ get * > Sorry, had to be done. There are doctors who specialize in that sort of thing. > For pete's sake people, run Debian. Cause it's the smart thing to do. No, trimming your replies is the smart thing to do. Andy > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > >Many thanks, > >Chris Schumann From mjn at umn.edu Tue Nov 28 10:39:42 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... Message-ID: I am having some problems with an alias configuration on the primary interface of another box I am looking after (I did not build it). I have noticed a couple of weird things over the last couple of days and I don't know what to make of it. I noticed Monday morning, after a still unexplained reboot, that the alias on the primary interface did not come back up on its own. I think I solved this by adding the ONBOOT token to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 The problem which remains is that when i do `ifup eth0:0' I get: SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device 160.94.101.75: unknown interface: No such device SIOCADDRT: No such device usage: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases usage: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-routes Any auggestions? The primary, which is configured similarly, comes up without issue...Should i not be using ifup to initialize this interface? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From mjn at umn.edu Tue Nov 28 10:42:47 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logging... In-Reply-To: <20001128091822.E2182@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Well, you probably don't need them in both places. What does your > syslog.conf file say is being logged to /var/log/messages? Is kern.* in > the list? Or is it just *? Whatever it is, it should provide some clues. > > Gabe > I had this: # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. # Don't log private authentication messages! *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none /var/log/messages/messages Which I changed to this: # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. # Don't log private authentication messages! *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;kern.none /var/log/messages/messages I think that will take care of it, yes? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From lxy at homer.espressocom.com Tue Nov 28 10:54:08 2000 From: lxy at homer.espressocom.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: from "mjn" at Nov 28, 2000 10:39:42 AM Message-ID: <200011281654.KAA30110@homer.espressocom.com> I tried this on a Debian system once and I had the same problem. From what I can tell it doesn't like the virtual interfaces when it runs its network script. On mine, I just hacked the network script to add ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.2.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.254 when it gets restarted. Then I can ifdown and ifup all I want to. -Brian > > I am having some problems with an alias configuration on the primary > interface of another box I am looking after (I did not build it). I have > noticed a couple of weird things over the last couple of days and I don't > know what to make of it. > > I noticed Monday morning, after a still unexplained reboot, that the alias > on the primary interface did not come back up on its own. I think I > solved this by adding the ONBOOT token to > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 > > The problem which remains is that when i do `ifup eth0:0' I get: > > SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device > SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device > 160.94.101.75: unknown interface: No such device > SIOCADDRT: No such device > usage: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases > usage: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-routes > > > Any auggestions? The primary, which is configured similarly, comes up > without issue...Should i not be using ifup to initialize this interface? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Nov 28 11:15:03 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:27:26AM -0600 References: <20001128101306.D3106@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001128111503.C3640@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:27:26AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >No, trimming your replies is the smart thing to do. > Thanks for the tip. You feel better now? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Package description: --- apt-move is used to move a collection of Debian package files into a proper archive hierarchy of the form debian/dists/... It is intended as a tool to help manage the apt-get(8) file cache, but could be configured to work with any collection of Debian packages. Running apt-move periodically will assist in managing the resulting partial mirror by optionally removing obsolete packages, and creating valid local Packages.gz files. It can also optionally employ rsync(1) to build a partial or complete local mirror of a Debian binary distribution (including an ``installed-packages only'' mirror). --- So the same functionality is there, in Debian's usual RTFM kinda way... I will say I wish I had known rpm better before I gave up on Red Hat. =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 28 11:34:55 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat (and Debian) In-Reply-To: <3A23EBD1.AB5AA1F0@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 11:30:57AM -0600 References: <3A23EBD1.AB5AA1F0@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001128113455.B17864@real-time.com> Quoting Andy Zbikowski (andyzb@ltiflex.com): > > As for this automatic get thing you guys get so excited about, I've never > > bothered to look because I'd rather grab the rpms when it's convenient for > > me, and put them in a place where the other 8 computers can get at them. > > I don't see what's so hard about > > ncftp ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/pub/linux/redhat/updates/ > > get * > > Well, the difference is that apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; will upgrade > everything automaticaly, and gets the dependencies right (ummm...except in > unstable ;) If you want to download those packages for mutiple systems, > replace apt-get upgrade with apt-get -d -y upgrade and then use apt-move > tool to create a local, apt-get capible mirror. As a RedHat user, I look enviously at debian apt-* tools. But.... autorpm works pretty well for RedHat, you can look at that tool. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 28 11:44:27 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 In-Reply-To: <3A23D9B2.D4BC6EA8@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I've apt-get upgraded my workstation to XFree 4.0.1, but I'm having trouble > > with kdm. When I put in my password I get the following error message: > > > > Startup program /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup_0 exited with non-zero status. > > Please contact your system administrator > > Please press OK to retry. > > > > I've looked at Xstartup_0 and I don't see anything fishy. I suspect a > > permissions problem. Any insights from the X gurus out there? > > > I had the same problem, but with gdm. IIRC there was a package missing, > which Xstartup_0 called. Look at the script and see what is being called > and make sure it's installed. Clay, I've looked at the scripts, but I don't see anything unusual at all. It looks for the presence of /etc/nologin, but I don't have that file. I just can't see why this script is running into trouble. Any other Debian users recognize this problem? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From andy at theasis.com Tue Nov 28 11:43:23 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat (and Debian) In-Reply-To: <3A23EBD1.AB5AA1F0@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the constructive answer... I've simply never looked at autorpm, so wouldn't presume to compare it to apt-get, which I also haven't tried. > I will say I wish I had known rpm better before I gave up on Red Hat. =) Yeah, this is another case where they did a rather patchy man page. However many people don't realize that you can download a copy of the book Maximum RPM in ps form. I found this to be pretty helpful. It's also available in html at http://www.rpmdp.org/rpmbook/ There's also the RPM HOWTO 9http://www.rpm.org/RPM-HOWTO/index.html) and the RPM documentation project (under construction). Andy > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Nov 28 12:25:59 2000 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a copy of RedHat 6.2 Pro Message-ID: <200011281825.MAA08712@EleFisch.goecke-dolan.com> Hello, I am looking to get a copy of RedHat 6.2 soon. We have 3 copies on order from RedHat, but they have a backlog and it will be a few days before it will get here. So I would like to borrow a copy so I can start installing it now! I have looked around at some local stores, but I can't find RedHat 6.2 Pro. BTW. That is RedHat 6.2 Professional with the secure web server. Thanks. ==>brian. -- O O) )O) /O__ |O \ | | \ / | \ / O/ __O\ (O( (O O <|> <| | __| __/-- -- O --\-, | ,-/-- O -- --\__ |__ | |> <|> / \ / > / ) ) | / | |O (O) O| | \ | ( ( \ < \ / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brian Dolan-Goecke Brian@Goecke-Dolan.com From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Nov 28 12:34:37 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat References: <200011281801.eASI1aO19911@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <00b901c05969$e0568aa0$1000a8c0@cschumann> I tried to let this drop... > From: Ben Lutgens > --O3RTKUHj+75w1tg5 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (By the way, Ben, thanks for including all the extra fluff so we can be sure we're supposed to be set for ASCII.) > On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:27:26AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > >No, trimming your replies is the smart thing to do.=20 > > > Thanks for the tip. You feel better now? > --=20 > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ etc. So Ben, that's 25 lines I had to read to get... nothing. Thanks. Using Debian is not an option. That suggestion was also useless. Installing Debian and configuring it will NOT be faster than fixing my problem. Suggestions like those are of no help. Further, if I did switch to Debian and had to get help from the likes of you, I'd rather use Windows. Thanks for trying, Chris Schumann From thouck at thouck.com Tue Nov 28 12:36:21 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetSol, Guardian and GNU PG? In-Reply-To: <20001128021151.L25884@real-time.com> Message-ID: I believe GNUPG is a PGP-derivative, not an actual PGP version. It uses different code, and is exportable, etc. You can use GPG and PGP interchangeably, but I'm not sure what versions per se. On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know if NetSol support GNU PG for the Guardian stuff? > > All I can find is that they support pgp 2.6 -> pgp 7.0. > > Now, I know I can config gpg to generate compat stuff, but what "release" of pgp > is gpg? > > If that makes sense. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Tue Nov 28 12:36:21 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NetSol, Guardian and GNU PG? In-Reply-To: <20001128021151.L25884@real-time.com> Message-ID: I believe GNUPG is a PGP-derivative, not an actual PGP version. It uses different code, and is exportable, etc. You can use GPG and PGP interchangeably, but I'm not sure what versions per se. On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know if NetSol support GNU PG for the Guardian stuff? > > All I can find is that they support pgp 2.6 -> pgp 7.0. > > Now, I know I can config gpg to generate compat stuff, but what "release" of pgp > is gpg? > > If that makes sense. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From clay at fandre.com Tue Nov 28 13:45:56 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 References: Message-ID: <3A240B74.A0494408@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > I've apt-get upgraded my workstation to XFree 4.0.1, but I'm having trouble > > > with kdm. When I put in my password I get the following error message: > > > > > > Startup program /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup_0 exited with non-zero status. > > > Please contact your system administrator > > > Please press OK to retry. > > > > > > I've looked at Xstartup_0 and I don't see anything fishy. I suspect a > > > permissions problem. Any insights from the X gurus out there? > > > > > I had the same problem, but with gdm. IIRC there was a package missing, > > which Xstartup_0 called. Look at the script and see what is being called > > and make sure it's installed. > > Clay, > > I've looked at the scripts, but I don't see anything unusual at all. It > looks for the presence of /etc/nologin, but I don't have that file. I just > can't see why this script is running into trouble. Any other Debian users > recognize this problem? Can you paste the script? Just want to see if it's similar to the one I have. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 28 13:49:31 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! Message-ID: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> I think ORBS is wacked! They have RSS'd lists.securityfocus.com [207.126.127.68], which I believe is BUGTRAQ, right? Nov 28 13:20:38 enchanter sendmail[6094]: eASJKci06094: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=pub3.rc.vix.com [204.152.186.34], reject=553 5.3.0 ... Open spam relay at 204.152.186.34 - see http://www.orbs.org Yet, going to ORBS web site I get the following: Database Check - 204.152.186.3 204.152.186.3 is not in the main automated open relay database -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Nov 28 13:19:20 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 References: Message-ID: <3A240538.EE54EC@ltiflex.com> Stop KDM ( /etc/init.d/kdm stop ) Try starting X from the command line (no display manager) with startx or just X. Can you do this as root? Does startx work as a normal user? If the above works, we get to poke at KDM configs. If it doesn't work, X isn't configured properly. (You ran dexter right?) I'm going to make a guess that KDM is calling X and telling it to use /etc/X11/XF86Config, when it should be using /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Check /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers. /etc/X11/X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 should start the X server. (/etc/X11/X is a sym link to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86) Hope that helps a little... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 28 13:18:55 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: <20001128101306.D3106@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:13:06AM -0600 References: <200011281323.eASDNCv03546@sprite.real-time.com> <000d01c05943$f0a61130$1000a8c0@cschumann> <20001128101306.D3106@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001128131855.F1381@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:13:06AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:03:09AM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > >I've got a machine running RedHat 6.2, and I'm trying > >to install the updates suggested by RedHat. > > You know, if you where running debian it would be as simple as > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > go get cup of coffee > > > Sorry, had to be done. > > For pete's sake people, run Debian. Cause it's the smart thing to do. AMEN! Hall-all-uuu-yah! Praise the Penguin! -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001128/9d2dc342/attachment.pgp From mjn at umn.edu Tue Nov 28 13:59:19 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: <200011281654.KAA30110@homer.espressocom.com> Message-ID: > I tried this on a Debian system once and I had the same problem. From > what I can tell it doesn't like the virtual interfaces when it runs its > network script. On mine, I just hacked the network script to add > > ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.2.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.254 > > when it gets restarted. Then I can ifdown and ifup all I want to. Brian- Excuse my newbieness but what file did you edit to do this? ifcfg-eth0? Or did you just drop all of this in rc.local? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 14:07:27 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:49:31PM -0600 References: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001128140727.C2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:49:31PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I think ORBS is wacked! > > They have RSS'd lists.securityfocus.com [207.126.127.68], which I believe is > BUGTRAQ, right? > > Nov 28 13:20:38 enchanter sendmail[6094]: eASJKci06094: ruleset=check_rcpt, > arg1=, relay=pub3.rc.vix.com [204.152.186.34], reject=553 > 5.3.0 ... Open spam relay at 204.152.186.34 - see > http://www.orbs.org > > Yet, going to ORBS web site I get the following: > > Database Check - 204.152.186.3 > > 204.152.186.3 is not in the main automated open relay database > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > Well, if you look closely, you aren't even checking for the correct server in the orbs database. You left the "4" off the end... Drink some coffee and get back to us in the morning ;) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 14:11:38 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:49:31PM -0600 References: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001128141138.D2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:49:31PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I think ORBS is wacked! > > They have RSS'd lists.securityfocus.com [207.126.127.68], which I believe is > BUGTRAQ, right? > > Nov 28 13:20:38 enchanter sendmail[6094]: eASJKci06094: ruleset=check_rcpt, > arg1=, relay=pub3.rc.vix.com [204.152.186.34], reject=553 > 5.3.0 ... Open spam relay at 204.152.186.34 - see > http://www.orbs.org > > Yet, going to ORBS web site I get the following: > > Database Check - 204.152.186.3 > > 204.152.186.3 is not in the main automated open relay database Well, it doesn't appear to be an open relay... "204.152.186.34 has previously been tested by ORBS and appears to be OK. .... entry last updated 2000-08-31 04:10:54 UTC (yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss" "207.126.127.68 has previously been tested by ORBS and appears to be OK. .... entry last updated 2000-10-01 02:53:47 UTC (yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss" Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 28 14:17:27 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001128140727.C2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:07:27PM -0600 References: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> <20001128140727.C2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001128141727.B8944@real-time.com> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > Well, if you look closely, you aren't even checking for the correct server > in the orbs database. You left the "4" off the end... > > Drink some coffee and get back to us in the morning ;) What's the ORBs server to check? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dbradley at ebenx.com Tue Nov 28 14:28:56 2000 From: dbradley at ebenx.com (Dave B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat References: <20001128131855.F1381@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A241588.32D10066@ebenx.com> > Chewie wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:13:06AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:03:09AM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > > >I've got a machine running RedHat 6.2, and I'm trying > > >to install the updates suggested by RedHat. > > > > You know, if you where running debian it would be as simple as > > apt-get update > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > go get cup of coffee > > > > > > Sorry, had to be done. > > > > For pete's sake people, run Debian. Cause it's the smart thing to do. > > AMEN! Hall-all-uuu-yah! Praise the Penguin! Just as I suspected, more 'religious' wars :) I use SuSE (I'm putting on my asbestos suit ) I do seem to re-call overhearing you make a comment about Debian not getting all the dependencies right. > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://www.wookimus.net/ -- When the going gets tough, the tough use duct tape. Red Green Dave Bradley dbradley@ebenx.com From lxy at homer.espressocom.com Tue Nov 28 14:13:36 2000 From: lxy at homer.espressocom.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: from "mjn" at Nov 28, 2000 01:59:19 PM Message-ID: <200011282013.OAA30812@homer.espressocom.com> On anything complex, I just do something like this. I'll go into my rc.local and add a command to execute my custom network script, say /etc/net.custom. My /etc/net.custom looks something like this: #------------------------------ #!/bin/bash # First bring up all interfaces ifconfig eth0 ip1 netmask mask1 ifconfig eth1 ip2 netmask mask2 ifconfig eth0:0 ip3 netmask mask3 #build routing table manually route add -net net1 netmask mask1 some-routers-ip route add -net net2 netmask mask2 route add -net net3 netmask mask3 route add default gw ip1 #firewall ipchains -F #-------------------------------- It's not standard but I find it easier to manage than all the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg*'s. All my network hacks are in one file that I can just /etc/net.custom (did you know tab completion doesn't work in e-mail?) and squash all the errors until I get it right. While we're on the subject, how do you flush the routing table? I do a 'route -f' and it just returns the help screen telling me that a 'route -f' should do the trick. Odd. -Brian From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 14:44:47 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001128141727.B8944@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:17:27PM -0600 References: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> <20001128140727.C2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001128141727.B8944@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001128144447.E2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> relays.orbs.org, I believe. Gabe On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:17:27PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > > Well, if you look closely, you aren't even checking for the correct server > > in the orbs database. You left the "4" off the end... > > > > Drink some coffee and get back to us in the morning ;) > > What's the ORBs server to check? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen every Tarzan movie ever made!" - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 28 14:54:32 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001128144447.E2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:44:47PM -0600 References: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> <20001128140727.C2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20001128141727.B8944@real-time.com> <20001128144447.E2466@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001128145432.F8944@real-time.com> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > relays.orbs.org, I believe. That is what I used. I don't understand they left off the "4" thing then. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at homer.espressocom.com Tue Nov 28 14:36:58 2000 From: lxy at homer.espressocom.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: <3A241588.32D10066@ebenx.com> from "Dave B" at Nov 28, 2000 02:28:56 PM Message-ID: <200011282036.OAA30928@homer.espressocom.com> > > > For pete's sake people, run Debian. Cause it's the smart thing to do. > > > > AMEN! Hall-all-uuu-yah! Praise the Penguin! > > Just as I suspected, more 'religious' wars :) I'm on the fence between Debian and Redhat. Redhat makes a great desktop OS and Debian makes a nice server OS (90% of what I need is on 9 floppies.. can't beat that!). I messed around with Stormix Rain and Corel ver 1 and discovered that Stormix Rain was half way decent. Is anyone running Stormix Hail? Stormix Rain made a nice desktop Debian based distro so if Hail is any better, I may be a Redhat man no more. Redhat 7.0 also made me want to reconsider. GCC 2.96 is a little too buggy for me. From mpaulsen at charter.net Tue Nov 28 15:05:07 2000 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23875] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001128143506.00a05e40@mail.charter.net> At 01:49 PM 11/28/00 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >I think ORBS is wacked! > >They have RSS'd lists.securityfocus.com [207.126.127.68], which I believe is >BUGTRAQ, right? > >Nov 28 13:20:38 enchanter sendmail[6094]: eASJKci06094: ruleset=check_rcpt, >arg1=, relay=pub3.rc.vix.com [204.152.186.34], >reject=553 >5.3.0 ... Open spam relay at 204.152.186.34 - see >http://www.orbs.org > >Yet, going to ORBS web site I get the following: > >Database Check - 204.152.186.3 > >204.152.186.3 is not in the main automated open relay database ORBS doesn't just list open relays -- it also lists networks who refuse to be tested. Refusal can be in the form of a request not to be probed or by simply blocking ORBS. In this case, there is an ongoing spat between ORBS and bugtraq's provider, Above.net. When you query ORBS you can tell whether a listing is due to an open relay or another condition by the value returned. 127.0.0.2 is for open relays, .3 is a manual entry, and .4 is untestable. This is the output for the IP in question: Query for 34.186.152.204.relays.orbs.org type=255 class=1 34.186.152.204.relays.orbs.org TXT (Text Field) untestable - above.net has multiple open relays and has blocked the ORBS tester. 34.186.152.204.relays.orbs.org A (Address) 127.0.0.4 <====< MAPS is in Above.net IP space so their IPs are also listed in ORBS. -- Mike, the guy down in Northfield who just subscribed today and is already delurking. From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 28 14:53:36 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 In-Reply-To: <3A240538.EE54EC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Try starting X from the command line (no display manager) with startx or > just X. Can you do this as root? Does startx work as a normal user? I can use startx just fine. > I'm going to make a guess that KDM is calling X and telling it to use > /etc/X11/XF86Config, when it should be using /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > > Check /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers. > /etc/X11/X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 should start the X server. > (/etc/X11/X is a sym link to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86) After lots of comments, /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers contains: :0 local /usr/bin/X11/X vt7 -deferglyphs 16 Clay asked about what the actual scripts looked like. Here they are: galileo:/etc/X11/kdm# cat Xstartup_0 #!/bin/sh # # /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup_0 # # This script is run as root after a user starts a session on :0. set -e # Call the global Xstartup script, if it exists if [ -x /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup ]; then /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup || exit $? fi # :0 specific startup commands go here exit 0 Here's the /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup file: galileo:/etc/X11/kdm# cat Xstartup #!/bin/sh # # /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup # # This script is run as root after the user logs in. # If this script exits with a return code other than 0, the user's # session will not be started. PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/X11 if grep -qs ^ignore-nologin /etc/X11/kdm/kdm.options; then if [ -f /etc/nologin ]; then if command -v xmessage > /dev/null 2>&1; then xmessage -file /etc/nologin -geometry 640x480 fi fi elif [ -f /etc/nologin ]; then if command -v /usr/bin/X11/xmessage > /dev/null 2>&1; then xmessage -file /etc/nologin -geometry 640x480 fi exit 1 fi # insert a utmp entry for the session if grep -qs ^use-sessreg /etc/X11/kdm/kdm.options; then exec sessreg -a -l $DISPLAY -u /var/run/utmp -x /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers $USER # NOTREACHED fi exit 0 Any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From DomokosZ at esi.com Tue Nov 28 15:20:15 2000 From: DomokosZ at esi.com (Zsolt Domokos) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows NT and Mandrake 7.2 dual boot Message-ID: where can I find info how to dual boot Mandrake and NT 4.0 ? I am afraid to screw up my NT install so I try to educate myself before hand. Thanks > Zsolt > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zsolt Domokos 1-612-294-0671 > Electro Scientific Industries, Inc. 1-800 826-6619 > Semiconductor Automation and Inspection > 7600 Quattro Dr. > Chanhassen, MN 55317 > USA > DomokosZ@esi.com http://www.esi.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Nov 28 15:40:26 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 References: Message-ID: <3A24264A.AF9448D0@ltiflex.com> Sorry, my bad. Reread your original message and smacked myself because KDM is working. Sorry. Have you checked ~/.xsession-errors for error messages? Or /var/log/xdm (or syslog...dun't member where kdm puts logs...) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Nov 28 15:55:51 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows NT and Mandrake 7.2 dual boot References: Message-ID: <3A2429E7.D426FE6E@ltiflex.com> > where can I find info how to dual boot Mandrake and NT 4.0 ? I am afraid to > screw up my NT install so I try to educate myself before hand. Are you planning on using the NT boot loader or LILO? Are you installing linux on one hard disk and windows on another? Same disk and different partitions? The lilo documentation should have all the information you really need, but here are my suggestions. (All using Lilo) 2 hard drive setup: Install Linux on the primiary master hard drive, windows on the primiary slave. When booting windows have lilo remap the master to the slave and slave to master. When installing either OS, remove the other drive from the IDE cable to ensure you don't repartition the wrong drive. It's also handy if you have a cd-rom or floppy LILO boot options when running NTFS. With FAT copy the install files (i386 + driverlib for nt, winXX) to the harddrive and install from there. This is probally a bit advanced but you should only need to resort to a rescue disk in the most extreme cases. If you want the dead simple soultion put NT on the primiary master and Linux on the secondary. Have Linux and NT rescue disks hands at all times. :) 1 hard drive: Install Windows on the first primiary partition and linux on a different partiton (primiary or logical it doesn't matter...Linux will boot from anywhere.) Again, have Linux and NT rescue disks handy at all times. If you are on one disk, be careful what you do when you create your linux partitions. You could wack your NT partition very easily. Search the list archives for my lilo configurations, I know I've posted them before. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From mjn at umn.edu Tue Nov 28 16:33:17 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: <200011282013.OAA30812@homer.espressocom.com> Message-ID: > It's not standard but I find it easier to manage than all the > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg*'s. All my network hacks are in one > file that I can just /etc/net.custom (did you know tab completion doesn't > work in e-mail?) and squash all the errors until I get it right. Is there a simplified version of this I can do? I don't want to abandon the ifcfg scripts altogether, I just want this to come up properly at boot time. > While we're on the subject, how do you flush the routing table? I do a > 'route -f' and it just returns the help screen telling me that a 'route > -f' should do the trick. Odd. > I do: ipchains -F input ipchains -F output ipchains -F forward Unless you have one chain which has no name (impossible) `ipchains -F' won't do a thing. There is something vague to this effect implied in the man page... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From sos at zjod.net Tue Nov 28 16:31:04 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? Message-ID: <200011282231.QAA28838@zjod.net> Anyone know what kernel versions do/don't run "native mode" (as opposed to "i386") on a Pentium 4? How about full Linux releases? thanks, -S From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 28 16:53:12 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat References: <200011281323.eASDNCv03546@sprite.real-time.com> <000d01c05943$f0a61130$1000a8c0@cschumann> <20001128082006.C2182@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A243758.5626864@tcfreenet.org> > rpm -Fvh *.rpm > > It will figure out what the dependencies are and install them in the > correct order and everything. But will it not install anything thats not already installed? :P From mjn at umn.edu Tue Nov 28 16:42:14 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > While we're on the subject, how do you flush the routing table? I do a > > 'route -f' and it just returns the help screen telling me that a 'route > > -f' should do the trick. Odd. > > > > I do: > > ipchains -F input > ipchains -F output > ipchains -F forward Please pardon my not being able to read... Regardless of my stupidity, 'route -F' in my man says: -F displays the kernel FIB routing table. The layout can be changed with -e and -ee And there is no entry to "-f"...are we crossing wires or what? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From ben at nerp.net Tue Nov 28 16:51:05 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: <200011282231.QAA28838@zjod.net> Message-ID: most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Anyone know what kernel versions do/don't run "native mode" (as opposed > to "i386") on a Pentium 4? > > How about full Linux releases? > > thanks, > > -S > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 28 17:30:34 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? References: Message-ID: <3A24401A.80C80F15@tcfreenet.org> Ben Kochie wrote: > > most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the > only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is > mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. Only because they couldn't write a spec file if their company depended on it. Apparently it doesn't... From bexley at daily.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 17:28:36 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian Message-ID: <3A23EB44.28533.3F45E7F4@localhost> So I (finally) upgraded to Potato and kernel version 2.2.17. That's good, because now I can use ipchains. Unfortunately, ipchains is moot because my network card is no longer being detected. It is an SMC Ultra (ISA). It's not finding the card when it autoprobes. I know that that's not supposed to be a good idea, it always worked before. Does anyone know where I can tell it specifically the io, irq, etc. of my card? I tried looking in /etc/modutils/aliases, but it isn't in there. I'm trying to build this beast to be my home DSL-firewall. The tricky part is that I will have a few static IPs behind it, but I also want to serve DHCP (in the 10.0.0.255 range) for when friends come over. Obviously the 10's would have to be masqed. I think I can figure that part out, but you might be getting a few more random question from me before this is over :) Thanks! Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Online Webmaster The Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 From sos at zjod.net Tue Nov 28 17:35:56 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: from "Ben Kochie" at Nov 28, 2000 04:51:05 PM Message-ID: <200011282335.RAA29374@zjod.net> Ben Kochie wrote: > > most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the > only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is > mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > Anyone know what kernel versions do/don't run "native mode" (as opposed > > to "i386") on a Pentium 4? > > > > How about full Linux releases? > > > > thanks, > > > > -S Yeah, but you gotta admit, 1.5GHz is attractively fast. At roughly $2K (base model, w/o monitor) from Dell, that's _still_ 7500Hz/penny. Memory thruput alone ought to make it scream compared to a same Hz'ed P-III. -S From ben at nerp.net Tue Nov 28 17:41:41 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: <200011282335.RAA29374@zjod.net> Message-ID: bah... some info says that the 1.2ghz tbird is still faster than the 1.5. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more > > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the > > only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is > > mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > Anyone know what kernel versions do/don't run "native mode" (as opposed > > > to "i386") on a Pentium 4? > > > > > > How about full Linux releases? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > -S > > Yeah, but you gotta admit, 1.5GHz is attractively fast. At roughly $2K > (base model, w/o monitor) from Dell, that's _still_ 7500Hz/penny. > > Memory thruput alone ought to make it scream compared to a same Hz'ed P-III. > > -S > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mtsqph at yahoo.com Tue Nov 28 17:56:10 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 Message-ID: <20001128235610.50226.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Andy, Was watching the 'Screensavers' on TechTV a bit back and heard some rather down comments on XFree86 4.0... I have a copy that in on a disc from 'Linux Format' a zine out of the UK... Have not dared to put it in the box until I could verify it's safe use with others. So... my question... Mandrake 7.1... go or no go??? Any input? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 28 18:56:00 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: <200011281654.KAA30110@homer.espressocom.com> References: Message-ID: <200011290055.SAA26434@mail.destef.com> Just for kicks does it work if you use eth0:1 instead of eth0:0? I've seen some strange things to lead me to believe that eth0:0 is somehow similar to eth0 and that the *first* vitual interface should actually be eth0:1. Worth a shot at least.... At 10:54 AM 11/28/00 -0600, you wrote: >I tried this on a Debian system once and I had the same problem. From >what I can tell it doesn't like the virtual interfaces when it runs its >network script. On mine, I just hacked the network script to add > >ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.2.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 >route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.254 > >when it gets restarted. Then I can ifdown and ifup all I want to. > >-Brian > >> >> I am having some problems with an alias configuration on the primary >> interface of another box I am looking after (I did not build it). I have >> noticed a couple of weird things over the last couple of days and I don't >> know what to make of it. >> >> I noticed Monday morning, after a still unexplained reboot, that the alias >> on the primary interface did not come back up on its own. I think I >> solved this by adding the ONBOOT token to >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 >> >> The problem which remains is that when i do `ifup eth0:0' I get: >> >> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device >> SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device >> 160.94.101.75: unknown interface: No such device >> SIOCADDRT: No such device >> usage: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases >> usage: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-routes >> >> >> Any auggestions? The primary, which is configured similarly, comes up >> without issue...Should i not be using ifup to initialize this interface? >> >> ____________________________ >> Mike Neuharth >> ADCS Technology Specialist >> http://www.umn.edu/adcs >> >> E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu >> Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com >> http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ >> ____________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Tue Nov 28 19:00:53 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows NT and Mandrake 7.2 dual boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011290100.TAA26439@mail.destef.com> a non-screwed up NT install? Isnt that an oxymoron since it come preconfigured to be screwed up out of the box?? hehehe At 01:20 PM 11/28/00 -0800, you wrote: >where can I find info how to dual boot Mandrake and NT 4.0 ? I am afraid to >screw up my NT install so I try to educate myself before hand. > >Thanks > >> Zsolt >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Zsolt Domokos 1-612-294-0671 >> Electro Scientific Industries, Inc. 1-800 826-6619 >> Semiconductor Automation and Inspection >> 7600 Quattro Dr. >> Chanhassen, MN 55317 >> USA >> DomokosZ@esi.com http://www.esi.com >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 28 18:54:33 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 References: <20001128235610.50226.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A2453C9.13B111E9@tcfreenet.org> > Was watching the 'Screensavers' on TechTV a bit back > and heard some rather down comments on XFree86 4.0... > I have a copy that in on a disc from 'Linux Format' a > zine out of the UK... Have not dared to put it in the > box until I could verify it's safe use with others. > So... my question... Mandrake 7.1... go or no go??? > Any input? Mandrake bad. Mandrake Very Bad. Use RedHat, or if you don't mind listening to that idiot ben, Debian. ;) I'm running RH7 which comes with XFree 4.0.1, running three monitors and occasionally playing Q3 on a TNT2 Ultra... From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Nov 28 18:55:09 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat References: <200011281801.eASI1aO19911@sprite.real-time.com> <00b901c05969$e0568aa0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <3A2453ED.A190258D@tcfreenet.org> > Further, if I did switch to Debian and had to get help from the > likes of you, I'd rather use Windows. Poor poor idiot ben. What have you gotten yourself into... From andy at theasis.com Tue Nov 28 20:08:42 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: <3A243758.5626864@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > rpm -Fvh *.rpm > > > But will it not install anything thats not already installed? :P -F is "freshen" and so it only updates things you have installed already. If you have rpms in the dir for packages that aren't installed, they will be ignored. Andy From jack at jacku.com Tue Nov 28 19:58:32 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian In-Reply-To: <3A23EB44.28533.3F45E7F4@localhost> References: <3A23EB44.28533.3F45E7F4@localhost> Message-ID: <00112819583200.01246@geezer> If I remember correctly (its been a 6 months since I was last in the same building with the machines that had Ultras in them.) Its similar to NE2000 style NICs and you specify the IO and IRQ on the calling line for module when it loads or as an append eth0="io=0x???" in lilo if its a kernel driver. Now I haven't used Debian in a long time so I'm not sure where you would spec it for the module. Jack On Tuesday 28 November 2000 17:28, you wrote: > So I (finally) upgraded to Potato and kernel version 2.2.17. That's > good, because now I can use ipchains. Unfortunately, ipchains is > moot because my network card is no longer being detected. It is > an SMC Ultra (ISA). It's not finding the card when it autoprobes. I > know that that's not supposed to be a good idea, it always worked > before. > > Does anyone know where I can tell it specifically the io, irq, etc. of > my card? I tried looking in /etc/modutils/aliases, but it isn't in there. > > > I'm trying to build this beast to be my home DSL-firewall. The tricky > part is that I will have a few static IPs behind it, but I also want to > serve DHCP (in the 10.0.0.255 range) for when friends come over. > Obviously the 10's would have to be masqed. I think I can figure > that part out, but you might be getting a few more random question > from me before this is over :) > > Thanks! > > Ben > ----- > Benjamin Exley > Online Webmaster > The Minnesota Daily > bexley@daily.umn.edu > (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at ringworld.org Tue Nov 28 20:14:42 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 References: <20001128235610.50226.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A246692.211BC25D@ringworld.org> XFree 4.0 is definitly a no go, and most likely where any bad reviews came from. ZDnet is far from the authoroty on Linux as well. XFree 4.0.1 is a go. Don't know anything about XFree 4.0.1 on Mandrake though. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Nov 28 20:30:10 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need a copy of RedHat 6.2 Pro In-Reply-To: <200011281825.MAA08712@EleFisch.goecke-dolan.com> Message-ID: I don't have exactly what you're looking for but I do have about 15 regular RH6.2 CDs that I burned that are free for any home. Deal is you have to take them all. I'll box 'em up and send them your way, I just would like them to see better service than my coaster collection. Mail off list if interested. Charlie On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking to get a copy of RedHat 6.2 soon. We have 3 copies > on order from RedHat, but they have a backlog and it will be a few days > before it will get here. > So I would like to borrow a copy so I can start installing it now! > I have looked around at some local stores, but I can't find RedHat 6.2 Pro. > > BTW. That is RedHat 6.2 Professional with the secure web server. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Nov 28 21:10:40 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Updating RedHat In-Reply-To: <3A243758.5626864@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 04:53:12PM -0600 References: <200011281323.eASDNCv03546@sprite.real-time.com> <000d01c05943$f0a61130$1000a8c0@cschumann> <20001128082006.C2182@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A243758.5626864@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001128211040.A4272@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 04:53:12PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > rpm -Fvh *.rpm > > > > It will figure out what the dependencies are and install them in the > > correct order and everything. > > But will it not install anything thats not already installed? :P > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Yes. -U will install stuff that's not already installed, but -F will look at what you have installed already and then apply applicable updates. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I watch bad movies in my own home because I'm insane. I've been driven mad by them, and like heroin, I keep wanting more, even though it's collapsing my heart." - Mike Nelson, MST3k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mtsqph at yahoo.com Tue Nov 28 21:43:40 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 Message-ID: <20001129034340.70077.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Andrew S. Zbikowski" wrote: > XFree 4.0 is definitly a no go, and most likely > where any bad reviews came Thanks for the word.- Manny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From mtsqph at yahoo.com Tue Nov 28 21:46:50 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 Message-ID: <20001129034650.70367.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> --- Callum Lerwick wrote: Thanks Callum, will consider your advice on RH... Presently doing MD7.1 but have no qualms about switching... Mandrake is kinda `quirky' shall we say at times! Thanks,- Manny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From sos at zjod.net Tue Nov 28 23:33:45 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: from "Ben Kochie" at Nov 28, 2000 05:41:41 PM Message-ID: <200011290533.XAA19689@zjod.net> Okay... _now_ I'm curious. Based on what I've read, the memory in the P4 is 2-3 times faster than that in the P3. Given the same clock rate on both boxes, how can the P4 be slower? -S Ben Kochie wrote: > > bah... some info says that the 1.2ghz tbird is still faster than the 1.5. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > > most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more > > > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the > > > only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is > > > mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > > Anyone know what kernel versions do/don't run "native mode" (as opposed > > > > to "i386") on a Pentium 4? > > > > > > > > How about full Linux releases? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > -S > > > > Yeah, but you gotta admit, 1.5GHz is attractively fast. At roughly $2K > > (base model, w/o monitor) from Dell, that's _still_ 7500Hz/penny. > > > > Memory thruput alone ought to make it scream compared to a same Hz'ed P-III. > > > > -S From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 00:10:31 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? Message-ID: > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the > only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is > mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. I've been using Mandrake since 6.0. I've never had problems with .1 or .2 releases, but .0 releases are evil, stay away. And don't do an upgrade, do a full install by moving stuff you need to your /home partition, and just don't format /home. I've found that it likes to install 2 different versions of some packages sometimes. Overall, Mandrake works very well, and seems to be noticably "snappier" than other distros, at least when running X. Mandrake for desktop, Debian for servers... :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:31 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? Ben Kochie wrote: > > most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the > only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is > mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. Only because they couldn't write a spec file if their company depended on it. Apparently it doesn't... _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Nov 29 00:56:00 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23875] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001128143506.00a05e40@mail.charter.net>; from mpaulsen@charter.net on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 03:05:07PM -0600 References: <20001128134931.X17864@real-time.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20001128143506.00a05e40@mail.charter.net> Message-ID: <20001129005600.M23696@ringworld.org> * Mike Paulsen [001128 15:14]: > untestable - above.net has multiple open relays and has blocked the > ORBS tester. Read as: Vixie has it right, human interaction is the way to deal with this, not some cold automatic machine. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001129/b90242a1/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Nov 29 01:00:15 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 04:51:05PM -0600 References: <200011282231.QAA28838@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20001129010015.N23696@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [001128 16:58]: > most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more > than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the P4 is an attempt to get rid of x87. If you take a look of how shitty the new proc's x87 performance is compared to supposedly 'easy to implement' SSE2 commands, the performance is a large difference. I think Intel is trying to. uh. extend, and screw it for the sake of compatibility. Only time will tell if this will work for them. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... 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The memory bandwidth, in tests, is 3x the amount of a PIII, and 2x the size of an athlon. Wozers. http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000197 Look at the table near the bottom. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001129/92513056/attachment.pgp From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Nov 29 06:47:03 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? Message-ID: <0G4S0092TE8ZAN@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, the P4 is not really an 'embrace and extend' strategy, as you suggest. They're really just trying to get rid of the really crappy x87 FPU (which is horrid). SSE2 is an ISA - the P4 is just an implementation of it. Future AMD processors will also feature SSE2. (SSE2 will be like MMX in this regard). Hurray for this! Down with x87! Nick Reinking From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 29 06:54:26 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 References: Message-ID: <3A24FC82.EA827107@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Try starting X from the command line (no display manager) with startx or > > just X. Can you do this as root? Does startx work as a normal user? > > I can use startx just fine. > > > I'm going to make a guess that KDM is calling X and telling it to use > > /etc/X11/XF86Config, when it should be using /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > > > > Check /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers. > > /etc/X11/X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 should start the X server. > > (/etc/X11/X is a sym link to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86) > > After lots of comments, /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers contains: > > :0 local /usr/bin/X11/X vt7 -deferglyphs 16 > > Clay asked about what the actual scripts looked like. Here they are: > > galileo:/etc/X11/kdm# cat Xstartup_0 > #!/bin/sh > # > # /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup_0 > # > # This script is run as root after a user starts a session on :0. > > set -e > > # Call the global Xstartup script, if it exists > if [ -x /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup ]; then > /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup || exit $? > fi > > # :0 specific startup commands go here > > exit 0 > > Here's the /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup file: > > galileo:/etc/X11/kdm# cat Xstartup > #!/bin/sh > # > # /etc/X11/kdm/Xstartup > # > # This script is run as root after the user logs in. > # If this script exits with a return code other than 0, the user's > # session will not be started. > > PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/X11 > > if grep -qs ^ignore-nologin /etc/X11/kdm/kdm.options; then > if [ -f /etc/nologin ]; then > if command -v xmessage > /dev/null 2>&1; then > xmessage -file /etc/nologin -geometry 640x480 > fi > fi > elif [ -f /etc/nologin ]; then > if command -v /usr/bin/X11/xmessage > /dev/null 2>&1; then > xmessage -file /etc/nologin -geometry 640x480 > fi > exit 1 > fi > > # insert a utmp entry for the session > if grep -qs ^use-sessreg /etc/X11/kdm/kdm.options; then > exec sessreg -a -l $DISPLAY -u /var/run/utmp -x /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers > $USER > # NOTREACHED > fi > > exit 0 > > Any ideas? > Try running each script individually. And then make sure you have everything it calls. I can't quite remember what I was missing, but I got the same error. I tracked it down by running Xstartup by itself and it told me what was actually causing it to error. From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 29 07:05:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian References: <3A23EB44.28533.3F45E7F4@localhost> Message-ID: <3A24FF18.89E087EC@fandre.com> Benjamin Exley wrote: > > So I (finally) upgraded to Potato and kernel version 2.2.17. That's > good, because now I can use ipchains. Unfortunately, ipchains is > moot because my network card is no longer being detected. It is > an SMC Ultra (ISA). It's not finding the card when it autoprobes. I > know that that's not supposed to be a good idea, it always worked > before. > > Does anyone know where I can tell it specifically the io, irq, etc. of > my card? I tried looking in /etc/modutils/aliases, but it isn't in there. > > I'm trying to build this beast to be my home DSL-firewall. The tricky > part is that I will have a few static IPs behind it, but I also want to > serve DHCP (in the 10.0.0.255 range) for when friends come over. > Obviously the 10's would have to be masqed. I think I can figure > that part out, but you might be getting a few more random question > from me before this is over :) > > Heh, it's funny that you should bring this up because I have been fighting with the same card/problem at home for a few days now. RedHat would find it and load it perfectly, but Debian2.2 wouldn't. I finally figured out that I needed to use isapnp/pnpdump to get the thing configured. Now it loads, but after a soft reboot it looses it again. A cold reboot brings it back to life. Maybe it's just my card, but that's unacceptable behavior. I will probably go down to BB and pick up a cheap LinkSys or something. FYI: # pnpdump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf Cross your fingers... # isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 29 07:07:31 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23875] Ummm, ORBS is wacked? BUGTRAQ is RSS'd! In-Reply-To: <20001129005600.M23696@ringworld.org> Message-ID: While I agree with Paul's position on why Orbs is in the wrong and MAPS is in the right, IMHO above.net is blocking Orbs testers because Vix is on the board of directors. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Mike Paulsen [001128 15:14]: > > untestable - above.net has multiple open relays and has blocked the > > ORBS tester. > > Read as: Vixie has it right, human interaction is the way to deal with > this, not some cold automatic machine. > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, > Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." > -Ben Folds Five > Battle Of Who Could Care Less > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 29 07:41:24 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: old search engines -- was: Re: [TCLUG] X4.0.1 authentication/startuphassles. In-Reply-To: <20001127094224.A9850@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > not true! if you knew how to use a search engine a couple years ago, it > > would give you the results.. you just had to know how to ask it. :) > > > > *fondly remembers the days of metacrawler/altavista..* The neat thing about altavista was (is) that there's hardware involved. Basically, they built a box that has so much RAM (TeraBytes, IIRC) that it could keep all it's searches in memory. Simple brute force. Gotta love it! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 29 08:17:50 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? Message-ID: Since the 24th of November, one of the Linux machines I have been looking after seems to be rebooting itself at 6:58 every morning. This is the only reason I figured out there is a problem with the interface configuration problem with the machine (which I fixed this morning...there was no DEVICE token in the ifcfg file). I have checked in /var/log/messages and there is no indication as to why the box restarts. I get the normal stuff listed there and then I see syslog restarting followed by the rest of the boot messages... Any idea what might be going on or where i might investigate this further? Side bar: I just developed another new problem. http failed to come up this morning given this error: httpd: cannot determine local host name. Use the ServerName directive to set it manually. I specified ServerName in httpd.conf and it works but is there any danger to adding the manual setting and what might have caused this? /etc/sysconfig/network lists the correct hostname. After some more checking i remembered that I put a pointer to this machine in /etc/hosts and removing it seems to have stopped the error from occuring...any ideas as to why a self reference in /etc/hosts would cause the hostname lookup to fail? That seems strange. Thanks... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 29 08:25:14 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /etc/hosts Message-ID: i thought I'd repost with a touch more information. Httpd fails to start only when I have an entry in /etc/hosts for the primary ipaddress of the machines and only when that entry contains the fqdn... Thanks... _____ httpd: cannot determine local host name. Use the ServerName directive to set it manually. I specified ServerName in httpd.conf and it works but is there any danger to adding the manual setting and what might have caused this? /etc/sysconfig/network lists the correct hostname. After some more checking i remembered that I put a pointer to this machine in /etc/hosts and removing it seems to have stopped the error from occuring...any ideas as to why a self reference in /etc/hosts would cause the hostname lookup to fail? That seems strange. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Nov 29 10:34:17 2000 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: <200011282231.QAA28838@zjod.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001129082920.00a009d0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Actually, the P4 is quite different than the PPro -- but the P2 and P3 are very close to the PPro. Regarding someone else's comments in a different message: The performance issues with the P4 have been shown (at tomshardware.com) to pretty much "go away" if the application is recompiled natively for the P4 cpu. In other words, you will probably get better performance out of the various distros on a P2 or P3 than a P4, unless you recompile your kernel and ALL your apps :-( Also, the AMD chips (Athlon, Duron) will likely perform better than any P4 and P3 of the same or similar speed rating (see aceshardware.com). Nevertheless, any Linux distro *should* run on a P4. Dave At 04:51 PM 11/28/2000 -0600, you wrote: >most distributions are 386, or 486 compiled. the Pentium 4 is little more >than the PPro architecutre, which the kernel optimizes just fine for.. the >only distro that comes with all pentium-optimized (pgcc) binaries, is >mandrake, and it shows, i think it's the most unstable distro out there. > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] >| Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] >| PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] >| Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] >| http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > > > > Anyone know what kernel versions do/don't run "native mode" (as opposed > > to "i386") on a Pentium 4? > > > > How about full Linux releases? > > > > thanks, > > > > -S > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur." From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 08:48:19 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian Message-ID: I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:05 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian > > > Benjamin Exley wrote: > > > > So I (finally) upgraded to Potato and kernel version 2.2.17. That's > > good, because now I can use ipchains. Unfortunately, ipchains is > > moot because my network card is no longer being detected. It is > > an SMC Ultra (ISA). It's not finding the card when it autoprobes. I > > know that that's not supposed to be a good idea, it always worked > > before. > > > > Does anyone know where I can tell it specifically the io, > irq, etc. of > > my card? I tried looking in /etc/modutils/aliases, but it > isn't in there. > > > > I'm trying to build this beast to be my home DSL-firewall. > The tricky > > part is that I will have a few static IPs behind it, but I > also want to > > serve DHCP (in the 10.0.0.255 range) for when friends come over. > > Obviously the 10's would have to be masqed. I think I can figure > > that part out, but you might be getting a few more random question > > from me before this is over :) > > > > > > Heh, it's funny that you should bring this up because I have been > fighting with the same card/problem at home for a few days now. RedHat > would find it and load it perfectly, but Debian2.2 wouldn't. I finally > figured out that I needed to use isapnp/pnpdump to get the thing > configured. Now it loads, but after a soft reboot it looses > it again. A > cold reboot brings it back to life. Maybe it's just my card, > but that's > unacceptable behavior. I will probably go down to BB and pick > up a cheap > LinkSys or something. > > FYI: > # pnpdump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf > Cross your fingers... > # isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 08:58:22 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? Message-ID: Did you look in the crontab and see if there's anything in there that would cause it to reboot? Has the box been compromised? If you're the only person adminstering the box, I can't imagine any other way this would have started happening. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:18 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? > > > Since the 24th of November, one of the Linux machines I have > been looking > after seems to be rebooting itself at 6:58 every morning. This is the > only reason I figured out there is a problem with the interface > configuration problem with the machine (which I fixed this > morning...there > was no DEVICE token in the ifcfg file). > > I have checked in /var/log/messages and there is no > indication as to why > the box restarts. I get the normal stuff listed there and then I see > syslog restarting followed by the rest of the boot messages... > > Any idea what might be going on or where i might investigate > this further? > > > > Side bar: I just developed another new problem. http failed > to come up > this morning given this error: > > httpd: cannot determine local host name. > Use the ServerName directive to set it manually. > > I specified ServerName in httpd.conf and it works but is > there any danger > to adding the manual setting and what might have caused this? > /etc/sysconfig/network lists the correct hostname. > > After some more checking i remembered that I put a pointer to > this machine > in /etc/hosts and removing it seems to have stopped the error from > occuring...any ideas as to why a self reference in /etc/hosts > would cause > the hostname lookup to fail? That seems strange. > > Thanks... > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Wed Nov 29 08:58:03 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDM problems with XFree 4 (fixed!) In-Reply-To: <3A24FC82.EA827107@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Try running each script individually. And then make sure you have > everything it calls. I can't quite remember what I was missing, but I > got the same error. I tracked it down by running Xstartup by itself and > it told me what was actually causing it to error. OK, I got it working. In the interest of education, here's what I had to do: First, I followed Clay's advice and tried executing Xstartup directly. The script reported that it couldn't exec sessreg. There is no sessreg Debian package so I had to figure out what package contained that program. I found it by doing 'apt-cache search sessreg' which listed the xutils and xdm packages. I did an 'apt-get install xutils' and that did the trick. Thanks for the help. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Nov 29 09:00:31 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about digest format Message-ID: <14885.6671.40135.432771@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> In the old days, before the listserver changed, each digest issue would come out in a nice standard format that my email reader (Emacs w/ vm) could expand nicely into an easy-to-search mail folder. This seems to have changed. So, question: is this a standard format for which there exists an undigestifier? Thanks, R From lxy at homer.espressocom.com Wed Nov 29 08:51:41 2000 From: lxy at homer.espressocom.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: from "mjn" at Nov 28, 2000 04:33:17 PM Message-ID: <200011291451.IAA01409@homer.espressocom.com> > Is there a simplified version of this I can do? I don't want to abandon > the ifcfg scripts altogether, I just want this to come up properly at boot > time. I'm not sure how to do it using the ifcfg* scripts (the main reason I dropped them) so unless you want to add the entry into rc.local I'm no help there. > > > While we're on the subject, how do you flush the routing table? I do a > > 'route -f' and it just returns the help screen telling me that a 'route > > -f' should do the trick. Odd. > > > > I do: > > ipchains -F input > ipchains -F output > ipchains -F forward > > Unless you have one chain which has no name (impossible) `ipchains -F' > won't do a thing. There is something vague to this effect implied in the > man page... It's my understanding that doing 'ipchains -F' flushes all the exisiting ipchains. Maybe I haven't had enough Mt. Dew this morning. From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Nov 29 09:19:44 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? References: Message-ID: <3A251E90.AD41FEB@ltiflex.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Did you look in the crontab and see if there's anything in there that would > cause it to reboot? > > Has the box been compromised? If you're the only person adminstering the > box, I can't imagine any other way this would have started happening. > > Jay > Check your at tables too. Maybe some NT admin figured Linux needed to be rebooted as often as NT, but there's no cron on NT. at does work nicely for rebooting NT boxen... :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From mjn at umn.edu Wed Nov 29 09:33:39 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ifup strangeness... In-Reply-To: <200011291451.IAA01409@homer.espressocom.com> Message-ID: > > > While we're on the subject, how do you flush the routing table? I do a > > > 'route -f' and it just returns the help screen telling me that a 'route > > > -f' should do the trick. Odd. > > > > > > > I do: > > > > ipchains -F input > > ipchains -F output > > ipchains -F forward > > > > Unless you have one chain which has no name (impossible) `ipchains -F' > > won't do a thing. There is something vague to this effect implied in the > > man page... > > It's my understanding that doing 'ipchains -F' flushes all the exisiting > ipchains. Maybe I haven't had enough Mt. Dew this morning. The man says: -F, --flush Flush the selected chain. This is equivalent to deleting all the rules one by one. Which seems to imply that you have to select a chain to flush. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 29 10:31:32 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian References: Message-ID: <3A252F64.22AD4C34@fandre.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much > better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. > > Jay Problem is, all my 486's don't have no stinkin' PCI slots. :-( From bexley at daily.umn.edu Wed Nov 29 10:39:37 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: question about digest format In-Reply-To: <200011291502.eATF21Q23963@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A24DCEA.17426.42F5BFE0@localhost> > In the old days, before the listserver changed, each digest issue > would come out in a nice standard format that my email reader (Emacs > w/ vm) could expand nicely into an easy-to-search mail folder. This > seems to have changed. > > So, question: is this a standard format for which there exists an > undigestifier? Yeah I was wondering about that too. Pegasus mail used to condier each digest to be like one email with many text attachments. The cool part was that I could respond to one message at a time, instead of the whole list. As you probably have guessed, I'm sort of stuck using Pegasus here, but does anyone know if there's a way to make it work a bit better? Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Online Webmaster The Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 29 10:50:48 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: question about digest format In-Reply-To: <3A24DCEA.17426.42F5BFE0@localhost>; from bexley@daily.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:39:37AM -0600 References: <200011291502.eATF21Q23963@sprite.real-time.com> <3A24DCEA.17426.42F5BFE0@localhost> Message-ID: <20001129105048.B25860@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:39:37AM -0600, Benjamin Exley wrote: > Yeah I was wondering about that too. Pegasus mail used to > condier each digest to be like one email with many text > attachments. The cool part was that I could respond to one > message at a time, instead of the whole list. Sounds like that was probably a MIME digest. Mailman supports both plain and MIME digests; I suspect that you're receiving plain digests. Try going to your member options page for the list and changing your digest mode over to MIME. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Nov 29 11:22:33 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian In-Reply-To: <3A252F64.22AD4C34@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much > > better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. > > Problem is, all my 486's don't have no stinkin' PCI slots. :-( Simple solution. Get a bunch of 3c509s. :) (even though they're only 10Mb) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 29 11:33:53 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian References: Message-ID: <3A253E01.29C5D244@fandre.com> "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > > I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much > > > better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. > > > > Problem is, all my 486's don't have no stinkin' PCI slots. :-( > > Simple solution. Get a bunch of 3c509s. :) (even though they're only 10Mb) You offering? From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Wed Nov 29 04:15:04 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian Message-ID: <200011291015.EAA17157@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Clay Fandre opined: > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much > > better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. > > > > Jay > > Problem is, all my 486's don't have no stinkin' PCI slots. :-( PnP -- yuck. I ended up going to a recycler (MaterialsProcessing?) and getting jumpered cards. 10 Mb, but I haven't had to "fix" my firewall after the last few power outages. J From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Nov 29 13:03:54 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian In-Reply-To: <3A253E01.29C5D244@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > > > > I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much > > > > better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. > > > > > > Problem is, all my 486's don't have no stinkin' PCI slots. :-( > > > > Simple solution. Get a bunch of 3c509s. :) (even though they're only 10Mb) > > You offering? Now why would I part with any of mine when you can go down to Dexis or MPC and get your own? :) They're like $5 a piece. Actually, MPC has them at 8 for $25 right now. Even cheaper. Hmm... a trip might be in order ;) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From wilson at visi.com Wed Nov 29 13:04:41 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 Message-ID: Hi everyone, My DSL line is up and working great. I'd like to upgrade my Cisco 675 to CBOS 2.3.5, but I can't find the software anywhere. I've looked everywhere I can think of at cisco.com and qwest's site. Anybody got a pointer? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 29 13:12:47 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My DSL line is up and working great. I'd like to upgrade my Cisco 675 to > CBOS 2.3.5, but I can't find the software anywhere. I've looked everywhere I > can think of at cisco.com and qwest's site. Anybody got a pointer? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 13:18:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 Message-ID: You need a cisco account to be able to download from their site. $$$ I have the 2.3.5 image somewhere here... lemme see if I can find the right one. There's a couple of different ones for the 675, and only one of them works right. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:13 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 > > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My DSL line is up and working great. I'd like to upgrade my > Cisco 675 to > > CBOS 2.3.5, but I can't find the software anywhere. I've > looked everywhere I > > can think of at cisco.com and qwest's site. Anybody got a pointer? > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Nov 29 13:18:44 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. I saw that too. I don't plan to use the web access anyway, but I figured upgrading wasn't a bad idea. Now if I can just find the software. :-( -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From wilson at visi.com Wed Nov 29 13:23:54 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have the 2.3.5 image somewhere here... lemme see if I can find the right > one. There's a couple of different ones for the 675, and only one of them > works right. Aha! I found a bunch of images at http://gotbroadband.org/downloads.html Looks like they've got 2.3.5. I'll have to double-check to see exactly what I need. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 13:24:27 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 Message-ID: Here's what they have listed on their site, I can't remember which one worked... Filename Description Release Size 'Bytes' More Info nsrouter.c675.2.3.5.012.bin Legacy image v2.3.5.012 for 675 2.3 918230 ? c675.2.3.5.012.bin Mixed header image v2.3.5.012 for 675 2.3 918272 ? Anyone remember?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:19 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 > > > You need a cisco account to be able to download from their site. $$$ > > I have the 2.3.5 image somewhere here... lemme see if I can > find the right > one. There's a couple of different ones for the 675, and > only one of them > works right. > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:13 PM > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 > > > > > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if > it's 2.0.x - > > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > My DSL line is up and working great. I'd like to upgrade my > > Cisco 675 to > > > CBOS 2.3.5, but I can't find the software anywhere. I've > > looked everywhere I > > > can think of at cisco.com and qwest's site. Anybody got a pointer? > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > -- > > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | > http://www.zope.org/ > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 13:29:20 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 01:04:41PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001129132920.B16865@real-time.com> Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > Hi everyone, > > My DSL line is up and working great. I'd like to upgrade my Cisco 675 to > CBOS 2.3.5, but I can't find the software anywhere. I've looked everywhere I > can think of at cisco.com and qwest's site. Anybody got a pointer? Here are the release notes: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbo235rn.htm#xtocid253957 Don't know which one you need but: http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/access/600/2.3/c675.2.3.2.019.bin http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/access/600/2.3/c675.2.3.5.012.bin http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/access/600/special/cbos23/c675.2.3.5.015.bin For more go here: http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/SWSearch/SWSearch.cgi Type in 675 into the Filename field. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Nov 29 13:32:33 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00112913323308.00214@Billbob_Linux> Hi, On Wednesday 29 November 2000 13:12, you wrote: > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. Do you have an abstract on that? Don't recall what version I run, but I *don't* have web enabled... just curious. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From thouck at thouck.com Wed Nov 29 13:39:00 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: <0G4S0092TE8ZAN@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at supervalu.com? On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Actually, the P4 is not really an 'embrace and extend' strategy, as you > suggest. They're really just trying to get rid of the really crappy x87 FPU > (which is horrid). > > SSE2 is an ISA - the P4 is just an implementation of it. Future AMD processors > will also feature SSE2. (SSE2 will be like MMX in this regard). > > Hurray for this! Down with x87! > > Nick Reinking > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Wed Nov 29 13:39:00 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: <0G4S0092TE8ZAN@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at supervalu.com? On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Actually, the P4 is not really an 'embrace and extend' strategy, as you > suggest. They're really just trying to get rid of the really crappy x87 FPU > (which is horrid). > > SSE2 is an ISA - the P4 is just an implementation of it. Future AMD processors > will also feature SSE2. (SSE2 will be like MMX in this regard). > > Hurray for this! Down with x87! > > Nick Reinking > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 13:51:22 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 Message-ID: Here's the bugtraq email on it: OK, since everyone is up-in-arms over vendor notification and their response times, here's an example of what happens if you give a vendor too -much- time. ----------------- Title : Cisco 675 Web Administration Denial of Service Device: Cisco 675 DSL Router Class : Denial of Service (remote) Vendor Notified: January 10th, 2000 (Yes folks, 11 months ago) Patch Available: Nope - see below --------------------------------- The Cisco 675 DSL routers with the Web Administration Interface enabled can be crashed (hard) using a simple GET request. CBOS versions 2.0.x through 2.2.x have been found to be vulnerable. The new CBOS 2.3.x has not been tested, but there are no notes in the 2.3.x changelogs to indicate that they've fixed this problem. Effected 675s were configured in PPP mode. The 'Web Administration Interface' is enabled by default in CBOS revisions 2.0.x and 2.2.x. The Cisco 67x series of DSL routers are produced and distributed for specific telcos to offer to their clients and as such, the installation base is quite large. (To hazzard a guess, if just 20% of all Qwest DSL users are using Cisco 675s, the installation base would exceed 25,000) The DSL adapters in this series include: Cisco 673, Cisco 675, Cisco 675e, Cisco 676, Cisco 677, and Cisco 678. This advisory applies specifically to the 675 but other adapters in this series may have similar problems and should be tested for vulnerability to this type of attack. I would be interested in the results if someone has access to and can test the other adapters in this series. The CBOS codebase is an aquired OS and as such, has no relationship at all to the main Cisco IOS codebase. Fix First: Disable the Web Based Administration Interface in your 675 until a patch or CBOS revision is made available. Web Server Disable commands: (2.0.x or better) (CBOS 'enable' mode) cbos# set web disabled cbos# write cbos# reboot Exploit: First find a 675 with the Web Admin server running. Fingerprint: telnet vic.tim.ip.addr 80 Connected to vic.tim.ip.addr. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.0 401 Unauthorized Content-type: text/html WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="CISCO_WEB"

Unauthorized Access 401

Connection closed by foreign host. Now kill it: telnet vic.tim.ip.addr 80 Trying vic.tim.ip.addr... Connected to vic.tim.ip.addr. Escape character is '^]'. GET ? [LF][LF] (your telnet session dies here, and so does the router) Dead as a post: ping -c5 vic.tim.ip.addr PING vic.tim.ip.addr (vic.tim.ip.addr): 56 data bytes 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss The Cisco never recovers - it's hosed until the router is power-cycled. A simple 'GET ? \n\n' is all it takes to kill the router. In case you're wondering, I had meant to enter 'GET /', but my finger slipped on the shift key. Neat eh? VENDOR RESPONSE: None, and I'll tell you why. (Warning, long rant ahead that has nothing to do with the guts of this advisory.) I first notified 'security-alert@cisco.com' in January of this year. Got an immediate response and all seemed well. Then I didn't hear back from them for a couple of months and promptly forgot all about this. Then in April the 'Cisco IOS Software TELNET Option Handling Vulnerability' (see http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/56207) was announced. This vulnerability was very similar to the Cisco 675 problem and I re-contacted Cisco. They claimed they were "still working on replicating the error". Uh, OK, whatever. I placed it on the back-burner and promptly forgot all about it again because I didn't want to announce this vulnerability until a vendor approved fix was available. (The installation base for this adapter is humongous) Then in October of this year some discussion of a potential problem with the Cisco 678 occured on the VULN-DEV mailing list. A Cisco rep on the list had the audacity to complain about prior-notification. (Never mind that VULN-DEV is designed specifically to investigate potential vulnerabilities) Anyway, the issue was again brought before Cisco, they again promised to address this issue. The conversation on VULN-DEV prompted some private correspondence with CORE SDI. The last I heard from Cisco was actually by way of Iv?n Arce at CORE SDI who wanted more information regarding the Cisco 675 problem while he investigated the CISCO IOS and it's Web Admin bugs. (See CORE-20002510, BugTraq ID 1838) The vulnerabilities are strikingly similar even though IOS is a completely separate codebase from CBOS. Anyway, CORE got word from Cisco PSIRT that they would be addressing this issue by "mid November". Needless to say, this hasn't happened yet. This week's discussion of vendor notification and response times was just gravy. It should also be noted that since January, Cisco has released at least 2 updates to the CBOS 2.x series, without addressing this issue. (no mention of it in their changelogs, although to be fair I've yet to have the opportunity to test this bug against either 2.3.0 or 2.3.5.) CDI ____________________________________ The Web Master's Net http://www.thewebmasters.net/ "Ok spammer, I'll 'just hit delete'. You can be 'Delete'." -- Ron "SuperTroll" Ritzman, NANAE > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:33 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 > > > Hi, > > On Wednesday 29 November 2000 13:12, you wrote: > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if > it's 2.0.x - > > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > Do you have an abstract on that? Don't recall what version I > run, but I > *don't* have web enabled... just curious. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Nov 29 13:57:59 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? Message-ID: <0G4S00M4MY7TVF@mail1.supervalu.com> Erm? That is an unusual question. Your best chance of getting a supervalu.com comes from, erm, getting a job at SuperValu, Inc. Strange, strange. Nick Reinking thouck@thouck.com, on 11/29/2000 01:39:00 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com @ PMDF cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at supervalu.com? On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Actually, the P4 is not really an 'embrace and extend' strategy, as you > suggest. They're really just trying to get rid of the really crappy x87 FPU > (which is horrid). > > SSE2 is an ISA - the P4 is just an implementation of it. Future AMD processors > will also feature SSE2. (SSE2 will be like MMX in this regard). > > Hurray for this! Down with x87! > > Nick Reinking > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 14:01:42 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. does 2.3.x fix it? bugtraq didn't say. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 14:01:57 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at > supervalu.com? Work therE? :P -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 29 14:06:42 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: <00112913323308.00214@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: You can issue a "GET ? \n\n" to the thing and it'll buy the farm. kaput. The example he gave he first connected and issued a GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n, and it disconnected him because he didn't authenticate, then he connected a second time and issued the GET ? \n\n and it died. I doubt you need to do the first connection, but I haven't tried it myself. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 29 November 2000 13:12, you wrote: > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > Do you have an abstract on that? Don't recall what version I run, but I > *don't* have web enabled... just curious. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Wed Nov 29 14:08:04 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > does 2.3.x fix it? bugtraq didn't say. As soon as I can get 2.3.5 installed I'll give it a try. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From adamm at sihope.com Wed Nov 29 14:23:55 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Supposedly it does, but no one has tested it. I'm running a 2.3 version, but I didn't want to test it when I wasn't home to powercycle the router if it wasn't fixed. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if it's 2.0.x - > > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > does 2.3.x fix it? bugtraq didn't say. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ry4an at ry4an.org Wed Nov 29 14:31:31 2000 From: ry4an at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digest Frequency Message-ID: <20001129143131.A10139@roark.ry4an.org> I'm a digest subscriber to this list who's used to getting one digest mailing per day. I'm now getting digests sent two to three times a day. Is there any way I can go back to the old once a day digest behavior? Can I increase the max digest size or something? -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 29 14:32:26 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 Message-ID: You probably shouldn't have the web interface enabled anyway. Web interfaces on network hardware have traditionally been fairly buggy. If only cisco would hurry and release their aDSL card for the 2600/3600 series routers so I don't have to waste an extra IP. Or, what would be even better is if someone put EIGRP support into gated or mRTD. Toss it onto the coyote linux floppy, add IPSec support so you can encrypt your GRE tunnel, and you no longer need an expensive router at small remote offices. Of course, if someone added EIGRP support, I'm sure cisco would probably go after them. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:24 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 > > > Supposedly it does, but no one has tested it. I'm running a > 2.3 version, > but I didn't want to test it when I wasn't home to powercycle > the router > if it wasn't fixed. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Now's the time to upgrade too. In case anyone here doesn't follow > > > bugtraq, you can nuke a 675 with the web-port enabled if > it's 2.0.x - > > > 2.2.x. Requires a powercycle to get it running again. > > > > does 2.3.x fix it? bugtraq didn't say. > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 15:38:04 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's CBOS 2.3.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Supposedly it does, but no one has tested it. I'm running a 2.3 version, > but I didn't want to test it when I wasn't home to powercycle the router > if it wasn't fixed. I tested against 2.3.0 (one of our clients routers); it crashed it. (Thanks Bob T!) cbos# show version Cisco Broadband Operating System CBOS (tm) 675 Software (C675-I-M), Version v2.3.0.053 - Release Software Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Feb 13 2000 17:13:56 NVRAM image at 0x10358140 -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 17:44:28 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade Message-ID: <20001129174428.I3056@real-time.com> What : Schedule maintenance When : 29-Nov-2000 18:00 CST Length : estimated 15 mins Why : Mailman upgrade Details ------- Mailman upgrade. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 29 19:00:40 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade In-Reply-To: <20001129174428.I3056@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 05:44:28PM -0600 References: <20001129174428.I3056@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001129190039.A21614@socrates.sistina.com> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 05:44:28PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Details >------- >Mailman upgrade. > I am interested on how this goes. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001129/6602b328/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 21:24:22 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman upgrade In-Reply-To: <20001129190039.A21614@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 07:00:40PM -0600 References: <20001129174428.I3056@real-time.com> <20001129190039.A21614@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001129212422.A13789@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 05:44:28PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Details > >------- > >Mailman upgrade. > > > I am interested on how this goes. Went great. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 29 22:07:05 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pre kernel series? Message-ID: <20001129220705.D13789@real-time.com> Where can I get the pre series of kernels? I am looking for 2.2.18pre23. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 29 22:40:51 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pre kernel series? In-Reply-To: <20001129220705.D13789@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:07:05PM -0600 References: <20001129220705.D13789@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001129224051.I1381@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:07:05PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Where can I get the pre series of kernels? > > I am looking for 2.2.18pre23. Alan Cox usually maintains the pre patches to the stable kernels. This has been his historic roll, but I'm not sure if that is the dynamic still. Anyway, on a hunch, I checked out Alan's directory on the kernel.org site and found this directory: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/2.2.18pre/ In it are all the pre's you would ever want. Here's a nice list of all the hackers of the kernel and the patches they offer: http://kernelnewbies.org/patches/ -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's an official beta sometimes they end up in /pub/linux/kernel/testing >> >> I am looking for 2.2.18pre23. > >Alan Cox usually maintains the pre patches to the stable kernels. >This has been his historic roll, but I'm not sure if that is the >dynamic still. Anyway, on a hunch, I checked out Alan's directory on >the kernel.org site and found this directory: > > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/2.2.18pre/ > >In it are all the pre's you would ever want. Here's a nice list of >all the hackers of the kernel and the patches they offer: > > http://kernelnewbies.org/patches/ > >-- >Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://www.wookimus.net/ -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Like usa.net, yahoo, hotmail, blah On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > > What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at > > supervalu.com? > > Work therE? :P > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 30 06:39:43 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian References: Message-ID: <3A264A8F.977117A7@fandre.com> "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've found that spending the $10 for a cheap PCI ethernet card is much > > > > > better than spending lots of time making an old ISA card work properly. > > > > > > > > Problem is, all my 486's don't have no stinkin' PCI slots. :-( > > > > > > Simple solution. Get a bunch of 3c509s. :) (even though they're only 10Mb) > > > > You offering? > > Now why would I part with any of mine when you can go down to Dexis or > MPC and get your own? :) They're like $5 a piece. Actually, MPC has them > at 8 for $25 right now. Even cheaper. Hmm... a trip might be in order ;) > Where is MPC? From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Nov 30 10:09:37 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reminder: beer meeting TONIGHT at Billy's on Grand Message-ID: <3A267BC1.E1198AAF@fruitioninc.com> Hi - This is just a reminder that we're meeting at Billy's on Grand in St. paul, tonight. Minors will be allowed until 7pm for sure, possibly until 8. Time: 5:30 - 8 pm Place: Billy's on Grand 857 Grand Ave St Paul, MN 651-292-1316 Directions: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00028280&address=857+Grand+Ave&city=St+Paul&state=&postal_code=55105-3398&cross_street=&phone=%28651%29+292-1316&map_it.x=31&map_it.y=18 I'll have a little TCLUG sign for the table and the reservations are for the TCLUG, so ask a server/ host if you can't find us. Hope to see you tonight! Jacque -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Be there, or be rhombic! ;) Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" From mjn at umn.edu Thu Nov 30 11:32:31 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Did you look in the crontab and see if there's anything in there that would > cause it to reboot? I have checked this and can find nothing explicit which would be rebooting the computer. > Has the box been compromised? If you're the only person adminstering the > box, I can't imagine any other way this would have started happening. > I don't think so but I don't quite know what i am looking for either. Anyone have suggestions on where to start? i have been looking through the logs, even after this started happening, and there is nothing to indicate why it is rebooting. I even logged in this morning prior to that boot time and the machine did boot but there were no screen message to indicate that it was a propper restart. My ssh connection just stopped responding...might this be a hardware problem? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 30 11:35:45 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: LINUX on the AS/400 Message-ID: <20001130113545.Y30244@real-time.com> I've heard rumors of this for quite some time now; but it's good to see something finally coming to light. IBM still hasn't adopted the idea of 'release early, release often'; but at least they're putting *some* stuff out there. ----------------- LINUX IS COMING! By Mel Beckman, NEWS/400 Senior Tech Editor Linux is coming! Linux is coming! The budget operating system sweeping bookstores and the Internet is finally arriving on the AS/400. Does it matter? Is it important? Who cares? It's FREE, FREE, FREE! Now that we've gotten some politically correct Linux cheerleading out of the way, how about some straight talk about cheap software? Just what the heck is Linux, and why is it coming to the AS/400? Who invited it, anyway? Does it run RPG? AS/400 users want to know, and I'm here to tell you. Linux, the open source version of Unix, will be running on AS/400s within a year -- with IBM's blessing (and assistance). Hyperbole aside, Linux promises important new capabilities for AS/400 users: new applications, faster e-commerce delivery, and a new mission for AS/400-iSeries hardware. To understand how Linux plays in the AS/400 space, you need to know about Linux's unique position in operating system history and the details of IBM's Linux implementation. You'll then be better able to decide whether the "L" word should be in your AS/400's vocabulary. Linux: What It Is In case you've been sleeping under your car for 10 years -- or have no teenage children -- Linux is the freeware variant of Unix developed by Linus Torvalds in 1992 to run on cheap Intel hardware. With Linux, Torvalds launched the open source software movement. Linux source code is freely available to anyone, and anyone can contribute to the Linux project by writing new code and making it available to the public. Because it's free, Linux became the darling of budget-minded network programmers who were, at about the same time, helping to build the underpinnings of the modern Internet. Linux's open source code let these programmers quickly adapt the operating system to a rapidly changing Internet, providing a cheap substrate for developing new applications. Just add labor, and you could do anything. But it wasn't until the last two years that Linux broke out of its nerdy shell to become a respectable OS in enterprise networks. Linux versions appeared for virtually every hardware platform, including mainframes and the IBM PowerPC. The advent of commercial distributions of Linux -- Linux prepackaged at low cost with some minimal support and documentation -- let non-techies install and operate the renegade OS. Eventually, major hardware vendors such as Sun and SGI began shipping Linux preinstalled on their computers. Combined with the also-free open source Apache Web server, a server running Linux is both faster and more reliable than a Windows-based equivalent. Linux on the AS/400 Rochester recently publicized its plans for Linux support, promising it in the next version of OS/400 (tentatively named V5R1). IBM believes the AS/400's robust hardware and fast copper-based processors make it an attractive and competitive platform for hosting Linux, although even IBM admits that the offering targets existing AS/400 customers rather than the general Linux marketplace. IBM won't distribute Linux itself but instead is putting hooks into OS/400 to support Linux cohabitation. IBM will then give the Linux source code for those hooks to major Linux distributors, such as RedHat and SuSE. Once you have V5R1, you'll have to buy an AS/400 Linux distribution and install it yourself. Although no distributor has yet set pricing, all say they expect to follow their existing pricing, typically well under $100 plus per-hour charges for technical support. Only the most recent multiprocessor AS/400 models, the n-way iSeries line, will be able to run Linux. That's because IBM's first incarnation of AS/400 Linux requires a dedicated processor in addition to a primary processor running OS/400. Linux runs under OS/400 logical partitioning (LPAR) as a completely independent operating system. IBM says this setup is an artifact of the Linux kernel, which requires complete control of the processor on which it's running. IBM hopes to overcome this requirement in a future release, letting you allocate part of one processor, or multiple processors, to one or more Linux instances running on the same box. For now, you'll be able to run as many Linux instances as you have additional processors. Each Linux system communicates with the controlling OS/400 processor through a new internal LAN that IBM calls Virtual Ethernet. VE runs at the processor bus speed, roughly equivalent to gigabit Ethernet, but isn't limited to that speed in future incarnations. A Linux instance gets access to AS/400 hardware resources such as memory, virtual disks, CD-ROM, network cards, and communication ports via VE communications with the OS/400 partition. OS/400 oversees secure allocation of these resources, ensuring that nothing done in one partition can adversely affect any other partition (including, of course, the OS/400 partition). Is it Safe? Linux's performance and reliability are two attractive upsides to the operating system. However, Linux is still Unix, inheriting all of the limitations of the abbreviated Unix security architecture. Unix's three-level security model -- with permissions for an object owner, a single group of users, and the general public -- lacks fine-grained access controls equivalent to OS/400's capability-based resource security. Moreover, Unix has a reputation for Internet security problems, as evidenced by the hundreds of security bulletins warning of the operating system's exploitable flaws. Many of these vulnerabilities -- more then 100 reported to Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) this year alone -- afflict Linux as well. Here Linux's open source nature works against it, as hackers are free to study Linux source code for hidden flaws. Security questions naturally arise when you start talking about sliding Linux under the heretofore sacrosanct skin of an AS/400. Does OS/400 lose any of its protection when hosting Linux? Does Linux gain any of OS/400's security advantages when embedded in an AS/400? IBM's answer to both questions is "no." The interface between OS/400 and Linux is firmly under the control of OS/400. For example, when Linux accesses virtual disk storage, it's accessing a fully secured OS/400 object, which limits Linux to only the data it owns. Because IBM is running off-the-shelf Linux, however, the Linux partition itself is as vulnerable to penetration as any other Linux-based server if you don't take appropriate steps to lock down the system. Usually this means running behind a firewall or severely limiting Linux to only those TCP/IP services necessary to do its job. Why Linux on the AS/400? So why would you want to run Linux on your AS/400 rather than an external box? That's easy: total world domination. Linux running inside an AS/400 is easier to administer than multiple boxes, and the VE interconnect gives you very fast access to AS/400-resident databases and applications. You can run any of a world of Linux applications -- including many advanced e-commerce packages -- without having to deploy separate boxes and manage the networking between them. Linux-under-OS/400 also gives IBM a way out of its firewall dilemma, caused by the timely death of IBM's creaky OS/2-based Firewall for AS/400. Several state-of-the-art firewalls, Web caches, and load balancers run under Linux, letting the AS/400 operate with a modern Internet security architecture as a single turnkey system. Down the road, expect IBM to refine the Linux hosting facility, letting you run dozens -- or even hundreds -- of Linux instances on a single machine. As IBM eliminates the need to run one processor per Linux server, OS/400's Work Management component will come into its own as a cross-platform resource management tool. If you don't currently own an AS/400, will you buy one just to host Linux? Not yet. However, the AS/400's legendary reliability can only help Linux's reputation in the corporate world. It's possible -- once IBM refines the ability to run multiple Linux instances -- that AS/400 hardware may well take on a new mission as a deluxe Linux server. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Nov 30 11:38:47 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? References: Message-ID: <3A2690A7.E6431E00@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> mjn wrote: > I even logged in this morning prior to that boot time and the machine did > boot but there were no screen message to indicate that it was a propper > restart. My ssh connection just stopped responding...might this be a > hardware problem? I know that some BIOS let you set a time to power up the system. I'm not really sure what that would do if the system was already running. I assume it would do nothing but I've never played with any such thing so I can't say. You might see if the machines bios supports automatic power on/off. Charlie From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Nov 30 11:42:05 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:32:31AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001130114205.A41702@socrates.sistina.com> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:32:31AM -0600, mjn wrote: > >I even logged in this morning prior to that boot time and the machine did >boot but there were no screen message to indicate that it was a propper >restart. My ssh connection just stopped responding...might this be a >hardware problem? If the machine is working hard and the fans are crappy or don't function, it could be rebooting when it gets hot. Some bioses will do this. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001130/69bbd3f7/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Nov 30 11:50:34 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? References: <20001130114205.A41702@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A26936A.B90D7228@fruitioninc.com> My partner's box would just randomly reboot, he found out that his video card ( I think it was a diamond viper..) wasn't compatible with his motherboard and processor, an AMD 400Mhz. He got a new video card and all was fine. It hasn't done it since. ~j Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:32:31AM -0600, mjn wrote: > > > >I even logged in this morning prior to that boot time and the machine did > >boot but there were no screen message to indicate that it was a propper > >restart. My ssh connection just stopped responding...might this be a > >hardware problem? > > If the machine is working hard and the fans are crappy or don't function, it > could be rebooting when it gets hot. Some bioses will do this. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 30 11:57:34 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: LINUX on the AS/400 In-Reply-To: <20001130113545.Y30244@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:35:45AM -0600 References: <20001130113545.Y30244@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001130115734.B7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Linux, the open source version of Unix, ... Hmmm... Only half way through the first paragraph and already, they're confused... Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 30 12:08:07 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: LINUX on the AS/400 In-Reply-To: <20001130115734.B7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:57:34AM -0600 References: <20001130113545.Y30244@real-time.com> <20001130115734.B7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001130120807.A20895@real-time.com> > > Linux, the open source version of Unix, ... > > Hmmm... Only half way through the first paragraph and already, they're > confused... yeah, it's about the same level of journalspeak as I've seen from other IBM marketdroids. Some of the crap they spew about their own systems gets roundly laughed at by their own techs. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 30 12:22:13 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? Message-ID: I think this is happening every morning at exactly 6:58am though, right? Doesn't seem like a hardware problem would keep such good time. :) Rename your reboot and shutdown commands to something else. If the box stops rebooting, you'll know it's a script or program that's calling one of those two commands. shutdown and reboot may exist in more than one directory. I'm pretty sure you can't tell the machine to reboot with any other command. I know you can shut it down with 'init', but the machine won't reboot afterwards. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacqueline Urick [mailto:jacque@fruitioninc.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 11:51 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? > > > My partner's box would just randomly reboot, he found out > that his video card ( > I think it was a diamond viper..) wasn't compatible with his > motherboard and > processor, an AMD 400Mhz. He got a new video card and all was > fine. It hasn't > done it since. > > ~j > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:32:31AM -0600, mjn wrote: > > > > > >I even logged in this morning prior to that boot time and > the machine did > > >boot but there were no screen message to indicate that it > was a propper > > >restart. My ssh connection just stopped > responding...might this be a > > >hardware problem? > > > > If the machine is working hard and the fans are crappy or > don't function, it > > could be rebooting when it gets hot. Some bioses will do this. > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 30 12:43:56 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: LINUX on the AS/400 In-Reply-To: <20001130113545.Y30244@real-time.com> References: <20001130113545.Y30244@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00113012435602.00256@Billbob_Linux> Sorry, I can't resist... > ----------------- > LINUX IS COMING! Or at least breathing really hard... (hides) -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From kbullock at ringworld.org Thu Nov 30 12:48:10 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethernet card in Debian In-Reply-To: <3A264A8F.977117A7@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > > Now why would I part with any of mine when you can go down to Dexis or > > MPC and get your own? :) They're like $5 a piece. Actually, MPC has them > > at 8 for $25 right now. Even cheaper. Hmm... a trip might be in order ;) > Where is MPC? http://www.materialsprocessing.com/ 2805 West Service Road Eagan, MN 55121 Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 30 12:50:40 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:22:13PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001130125040.C7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:22:13PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I think this is happening every morning at exactly 6:58am though, right? > Doesn't seem like a hardware problem would keep such good time. :) > > Rename your reboot and shutdown commands to something else. If the box > stops rebooting, you'll know it's a script or program that's calling one of > those two commands. shutdown and reboot may exist in more than one > directory. > > I'm pretty sure you can't tell the machine to reboot with any other command. > I know you can shut it down with 'init', but the machine won't reboot > afterwards. > > Jay > 'init 6' will result in a reboot. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 30 13:11:26 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? Message-ID: > 'init 6' will result in a reboot. Probably not a good idea to rename init then. If it does reboot, it needs that command to boot properly. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:51 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:22:13PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I think this is happening every morning at exactly 6:58am > though, right? > > Doesn't seem like a hardware problem would keep such good time. :) > > > > Rename your reboot and shutdown commands to something else. > If the box > > stops rebooting, you'll know it's a script or program > that's calling one of > > those two commands. shutdown and reboot may exist in more than one > > directory. > > > > I'm pretty sure you can't tell the machine to reboot with > any other command. > > I know you can shut it down with 'init', but the machine > won't reboot > > afterwards. > > > > Jay > > > > 'init 6' will result in a reboot. > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" > - Stimpy in "Monkey > See, Monkey Don't" > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Nov 30 13:20:16 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:11:26PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001130132016.B42232@socrates.sistina.com> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:11:26PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >> 'init 6' will result in a reboot. > >Probably not a good idea to rename init then. If it does reboot, it needs >that command to boot properly. > renaming init will break more than reboot. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001130/0ede5e27/attachment.pgp From mjn at umn.edu Thu Nov 30 14:17:06 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: <20001130132016.B42232@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: > >Probably not a good idea to rename init then. If it does reboot, it needs > >that command to boot properly. > > > renaming init will break more than reboot. /var/log/cron contains: CRON (11/24-06:58:46-398) STARTUP (fork ok) Which, unfortunately corresponds to the restart of cron during boot. Where else might i find clues as to the problem? /var/log/messages seems to not be logging on a high enough level... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Nov 30 14:18:10 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3com PCMCIA NIC 'dongle' In-Reply-To: <20001130125040.C7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <20001130125040.C7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <0011301418100A.00256@Billbob_Linux> I have a 3com 3c589 PCMCIA 10baseT NIC card, but the 'dongle' is missing. If anyone has a spare dongle, I'd like to get it. Alternately, if you need the card, you can have it for the price of a 20oz Summit Beer. -- Bill Layer From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Nov 30 14:35:20 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? References: Message-ID: <3A26BA08.502BD033@ltiflex.com> Is the system doing a proper reboot or does it have to fsck the drives after it reboots? And what flavor of Linux is this BTW? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 30 14:50:07 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:17:06PM -0600 References: <20001130132016.B42232@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001130145007.G7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I guess I haven't been following the thread very closely, but have you tried looking at root's crontab? Run crontab -e as root and see what's there. Also, if this is RedHat, look at the cronjobs in /etc/cron.{hourly|daily|weekly|monthly} and see if there is anything weird in those. Gabe On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:17:06PM -0600, mjn wrote: > > >Probably not a good idea to rename init then. If it does reboot, it needs > > >that command to boot properly. > > > > > renaming init will break more than reboot. > > /var/log/cron contains: > > CRON (11/24-06:58:46-398) STARTUP (fork ok) > > Which, unfortunately corresponds to the restart of cron during > boot. Where else might i find clues as to the problem? /var/log/messages > seems to not be logging on a high enough level... > > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Hey archvillian!! Take a taste of my hypercorrosive croutons!!" - Powdered Toast Man in "Powdered Toast Man" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjn at umn.edu Thu Nov 30 15:08:57 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: <20001130145007.G7354@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > I guess I haven't been following the thread very closely, but have you > tried looking at root's crontab? Run > > crontab -e Only two scripts in there, neither of which is doing anything whackey. just logcheck and analog > as root and see what's there. Also, if this is RedHat, look at the > cronjobs in /etc/cron.{hourly|daily|weekly|monthly} and see if there is > anything weird in those. nothing strange in these either. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 30 15:15:50 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, mjn wrote: > > I guess I haven't been following the thread very closely, but have you > > tried looking at root's crontab? Run > > > > crontab -e > > Only two scripts in there, neither of which is doing anything whackey. > > just logcheck and analog > > > > as root and see what's there. Also, if this is RedHat, look at the > > cronjobs in /etc/cron.{hourly|daily|weekly|monthly} and see if there is > > anything weird in those. > > nothing strange in these either. also check /etc/crontab.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mjn at umn.edu Thu Nov 30 15:36:57 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: <3A26BA08.502BD033@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: > Is the system doing a proper reboot or does it have to fsck the drives after > it reboots? And what flavor of Linux is this BTW? Mandrake Like I stated earlier, I was logged in when the system booted this morning and I did not see any broadcast messages. i have since enabled kernel logging and hopefully that will provide some other information as to the situation. In the meantime... Here is the boot messages from /var/log/messages: Nov 29 06:01:00 www anacron[2335]: Updated timestamp for job `cron.hourly' to 2000-11-29 Nov 29 06:18:39 www -- MARK -- Nov 29 06:38:39 www -- MARK -- Nov 29 06:58:51 www syslogd 1.3-3: restart. Nov 29 06:58:51 www syslog: syslogd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.2.13-7mdksmp Nov 29 06:58:51 www syslog: klogd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Loaded 6360 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.2.13-7mdksmp. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.2.13. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Loaded 66 symbols from 4 modules. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Linux version 2.2.13-7mdksmp (root@kenobi.mandrakesoft.com) (gcc version 2$ Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Virtual Wire compatibility mode. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: OEM ID: COMPAQ Product ID: PROSIGNIA APIC at: 0xFEE00000 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Processor #1 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 16 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: I/O APIC #8 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Processors: 1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: mapped APIC to ffffe000 (fee00000) Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: mapped IOAPIC to ffffd000 (fec00000) Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Detected 398799645 Hz processor. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 398.13 BogoMIPS Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Memory: 127576k/131072k available (1100k kernel code, 424k reserved, 1580k$ Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: mtrr: v1.35a (19990819) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 100.19 usecs. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: CPU1: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 02 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: calibrating APIC timer ... Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ..... CPU clock speed is 398.8052 MHz. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ..... system bus clock speed is 99.7011 MHz. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Error: only one processor found. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: enabling symmetric IO mode... ...done. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: init IO_APIC IRQs Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: IO-APIC pin 0, 5, 9, 10WARNING: ASSIGN_IRQ_VECTOR wrapped back to 52 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: , 32, 33, 34 not connected. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: number of MP IRQ sources: 41. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: number of IO-APIC registers: 35. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: testing the IO APIC....................... Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: .... register #00: 00000000 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ....... : physical APIC id: 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: .... register #01: 00220011 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ....... : max redirection entries: 0022 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: WARNING: unexpected IO-APIC, please mail Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: to linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ....... : IO APIC version: 0011 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: .... register #02: 00000000 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ....... : arbitration: 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: .... IRQ redirection table: Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: NR Log Phy Mask Trig IRR Pol Stat Dest Deli Vect: Nov 29 06:58:52 www atd: atd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 00 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 01 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 59 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 02 0FF 0F 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 51 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 03 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 61 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 04 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 69 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 05 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 06 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 71 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 07 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 79 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 08 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 81 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 09 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 0a 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 0b 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 89 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 0c 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 91 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 0d 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 0e 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 99 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 0f 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 A1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 10 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 A9 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 11 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 B1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 12 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 B9 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 13 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 C1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 14 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 C9 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 15 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 D1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 16 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 D9 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 17 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 E1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 18 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 E9 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 19 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 F1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 1a 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 F9 Nov 29 06:58:52 www crond: crond startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 1b 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 52 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 1c 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 5A Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 1d 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 62 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 1e 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 6A Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 1f 0FF 0F 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 72 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 20 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 21 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: 22 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Nov 29 06:58:52 www inet: inetd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: .................................... done. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0080 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI: Probing PCI hardware Nov 29 06:58:52 www sshd: Starting sshd: Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I6,P0) -> 31 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I6,P1) -> 30 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I7,P0) -> 29 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI: Device 00:00 not found by BIOS Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PCI: Device 00:a0 not found by BIOS Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Initializing RT netlink socket Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Starting kswapd v 1.5 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Detected PS/2 Mouse Port. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Serial driver version 4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Nov 29 06:58:53 www sshd: sshd Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev a1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2c30-0x2c37, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: hda: COMPAQ CR-589, ATAPI CDROM drive Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: hda: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.55 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: scsi : 0 hosts. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: scsi : detected total. Nov 29 06:58:53 www rc: Starting sshd succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Partition check: Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c8xx: at PCI bus 0, device 6, function 0 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c8xx: 53c876 detected Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c8xx: at PCI bus 0, device 6, function 1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c8xx: 53c876 detected Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0: rev=0x14, base=0xc6ffcf00, io_port=0x2000, irq=31 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0: ID 7, Fast-20, Parity Checking Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0: on-chip RAM at 0xc6fff000 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0: restart (scsi reset). Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0: Downloading SCSI SCRIPTS. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-1: rev=0x14, base=0xc6ffce00, io_port=0x2400, irq=30 Nov 29 06:58:53 www sshd[420]: log: Server listening on port 22. Nov 29 06:58:53 www sshd[420]: log: Generating 768 bit RSA key. Nov 29 06:58:53 www sshd[420]: log: RSA key generation complete. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-1: NCR clock is 40037KHz, 40218KHz Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-1: ID 7, Fast-20, Parity Checking Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-1: on-chip RAM at 0xc6ffe000 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-1: restart (scsi reset). Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-1: Downloading SCSI SCRIPTS. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: scsi0 : ncr53c8xx - version 3.2a-2 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: scsi1 : ncr53c8xx - version 3.2a-2 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: scsi : 2 hosts. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Vendor: COMPAQ Model: BB00921B91 Rev: 3B05 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Vendor: COMPAQ Model: BB00921B91 Rev: 3B05 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 Nov 29 06:58:53 www lpd: lpd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0-<0,0>: tagged command queue depth set to 8 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0-<1,0>: tagged command queue depth set to 8 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17773524 [8678 MB] [8.7 $ Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: ncr53c876-0-<1,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17773524 [8678 MB] [8.7 $ Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: sdb: sdb1 sdb2 < sdb5 > Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: change_root: old root has d_count=1 Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Trying to unmount old root ... okay Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Freeing unused kernel memory: 72k freed Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: Adding Swap: 265032k swap-space (priority -1) Nov 29 06:58:54 www keytable: Loading keymap: Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: TLAN driver, v1.0, (C) 1997-8 Caldera, Inc. Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: TLAN: eth0 irq=29 io=2c20, Compaq Netelligent Integrated 10/100 TX UTP, R$ Nov 29 06:58:51 www kernel: TLAN: eth0: Starting autonegotiation. Nov 29 06:58:55 www kernel: TLAN: eth0: Autonegotiation complete. Nov 29 06:58:55 www kernel: TLAN: eth0: Link active. Nov 29 06:58:55 www kernel: TLAN: eth0: Link active. Nov 29 06:58:54 www keytable: Loading /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.kmap.gz Nov 29 06:58:54 www keytable: Loading system font: Nov 29 06:58:54 www rc: Starting keytable succeeded Nov 29 06:58:55 www sendmail: sendmail startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:56 www httpd: httpd: cannot determine local host name. Nov 29 06:58:56 www httpd: Use the ServerName directive to set it manually. Nov 29 06:58:56 www httpd: httpd startup failed Nov 29 06:58:56 www PAM_pwdb[504]: (su) session opened for user xfs by (uid=100) Nov 29 06:58:57 www PAM_pwdb[504]: (su) session closed for user xfs Nov 29 06:58:57 www xfs: xfs startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:57 www smb: smbd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:57 www smb: nmbd startup succeeded Nov 29 06:58:57 www rc: Starting agent.be succeeded Nov 29 06:58:57 www linuxconf: Linuxconf final setup Nov 29 06:58:59 www rc: Starting linuxconf succeeded Nov 29 06:58:59 www rc: Starting local succeeded ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From mjn at umn.edu Thu Nov 30 15:38:07 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > also check /etc/crontab.. > It has just the default Mandrake settings: SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin MAILTO=root HOME=/ # run-parts 01 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily 22 4 * * 0 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly 42 4 1 * * root run-parts /etc/cron.monthly ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Nov 30 15:53:10 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spontaneous reboot? Message-ID: <001130155310.20266624@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi If you're really hard up and actually have to ability to play with this machine, why not adjust the time to 6:57 (maybe a minute before it reboots) and see what happens. You can do: 1# loop: 2# date >> 3# ps -ef >> 4# goto loop at the command line. The temp file will get a little on the big side, but at least you will have a record of everything that happened up to the reboot. Hopefully, inspection of this file after will offer a clue as to the cause. Just a suggestion. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From drew at usfamily.net Thu Nov 30 16:01:37 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rlogin? References: Message-ID: <3A26CE40.D2768D98@usfamily.net> Does anyone know where I can find the rlogin server? So that I can login into my own machine from other places? I suppose that it's on the CD but what is it called? By the Way I'm using redhat. And please dont make any comments about how I should switch to debian and use something else. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Nov 30 16:11:12 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rlogin? In-Reply-To: <3A26CE40.D2768D98@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find the rlogin server? So that I can login > into my own machine from other places? I suppose that it's on the CD but > what is it called? By the Way I'm using redhat. And please dont make any > comments about how I should switch to debian and use something else. Well, at the risk of being yelled at, you should use ssh and not rlogin. Same functionality as rlogin/rsh, except secure. That said, on RedHat 7 rlogin is part of the rsh-server package. -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Nov 30 16:22:38 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rlogin? Message-ID: <001130162238.20266624@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Instead of rlogin, you'll be better off using ssh. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 30 16:42:56 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rlogin? In-Reply-To: <3A26CE40.D2768D98@usfamily.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find the rlogin server? So that I can login > into my own machine from other places? I suppose that it's on the CD but > what is it called? By the Way I'm using redhat. And please dont make any > comments about how I should switch to debian and use something else. Yup. http://www.openssh.com/portable.html -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mtsqph at yahoo.com Thu Nov 30 17:20:09 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reminder: beer meeting TONIGHT at Billy's on Grand Message-ID: <20001130232009.12498.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi - > > This is just a reminder that we're meeting at > Billy's on Grand in St. > etc... Please remember to slurp a few frosties for the Penguin heads in the trees up north... hope to get down that way some eve and meet some of you folks... sounds like there could be some lively discussion. My best to the crew... Manny (Grey Moon Wolf). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From destef at destef.com Thu Nov 30 18:36:39 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200012010036.SAA28872@mail.destef.com> You do realize that SuperValu is a grocery store and that their headquarters is here is Minnesota? They're not an email service provider so your probably out of luck. hehe. At 11:49 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Well yeah, but you know how some places give email accounts for free -- >too many to name. Just wondering. > >Like usa.net, yahoo, hotmail, blah > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: >> > What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at >> > supervalu.com? >> >> Work therE? :P >> >> -- >> Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >> http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Timothy Houck >thouck@thouck.com >www.thouck.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 30 22:47:29 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. References: <3A267BC1.E1198AAF@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <3A272D61.2FE704CC@tc.umn.edu> I was thinking to come to this meeting, meet some of you folks and enjoy some fine brewery. it took me 40 minutes to find the place (given I went to St paul 4/5 times in last 4/5 years) and my 7 week old kid had already started her alarm, and I gave up after I failed to find parking in closest three blocks. I will hopefully be able to make it next time and meet the fine people of the lug. (I will take bus of course!) Apu