From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jun 22 22:10:53 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion Message-ID: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com> On July 1st, I'll convert the TCLUG mailing lists to Mailman. I'll leave old list up for 1 week zone the mn-linux.org zone will expire. Then everyone should have the new IPs, MX for the new box. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5N3l3328872 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:47:04 -0500 Received: (qmail 3319 invoked by uid 4000); 23 Jun 2000 03:32:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 3307 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 03:32:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:17:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Taylor X-Sender: dante@cu.mol.plethora.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com In-Reply-To: <39510AC4.24494.27FFBB@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19088] Ethernet not starting Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List I don't have RH here to check locations, but you should update your module configuration file to "alias eth0 ne", then add the options with [options ne irq=xxx io=xxx]. This may be in any of the following locations: /etc/modutils/aliases (and options): preferred if present, /etc/modules.conf : next best /etc/conf.modules : pretty old, unlikely Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Jurupari wrote: > I had an Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 ISA card in my PC when I > installed RedHat 6.2. I later found out that this card will not work > with linux. > > I replaced the card with a generic NE2000 10mbit ISA card and run > linuxconf to configure the card - or so I thought. > > The card will not run when the system boots. I have been able to get > the card to run by going to the command line and doing the following: > > insmod 8390 > insmod ne irq=10 io=0x300 > /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart > > Everything works OK from that point. How to I get all of this to take > place when the system boots?? When the system comes up, lo and eth0 > are both started and I am told that they are [OK] but they really are > not. > > What files do I need to edit?? > > Thanks, > Mike Glaser > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5N3lr328893 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:47:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 3329 invoked by uid 4000); 23 Jun 2000 03:32:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 3316 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 03:32:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:17:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Taylor X-Sender: dante@cu.mol.plethora.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com In-Reply-To: <39510AC4.24494.27FFBB@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19088] Ethernet not starting Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List I don't have RH here to check locations, but you should update your module configuration file to "alias eth0 ne", then add the options with [options ne irq=xxx io=xxx]. This may be in any of the following locations: /etc/modutils/aliases (and options): preferred if present, /etc/modules.conf : next best /etc/conf.modules : pretty old, unlikely Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Jurupari wrote: > I had an Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 ISA card in my PC when I > installed RedHat 6.2. I later found out that this card will not work > with linux. > > I replaced the card with a generic NE2000 10mbit ISA card and run > linuxconf to configure the card - or so I thought. > > The card will not run when the system boots. I have been able to get > the card to run by going to the command line and doing the following: > > insmod 8390 > insmod ne irq=10 io=0x300 > /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart > > Everything works OK from that point. How to I get all of this to take > place when the system boots?? When the system comes up, lo and eth0 > are both started and I am told that they are [OK] but they really are > not. > > What files do I need to edit?? > > Thanks, > Mike Glaser > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5N5iN329107 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:44:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 5174 invoked by uid 4000); 23 Jun 2000 05:29:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 5166 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 05:29:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:36:34 -0500 From: Ben Beuchler To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20000623003634.B14503@emt-p.org> Mail-Followup-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org References: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 10:10:53PM -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 10:10:53PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > On July 1st, I'll convert the TCLUG mailing lists to Mailman. > > I'll leave old list up for 1 week zone the mn-linux.org zone will expire. Then > everyone should have the new IPs, MX for the new box. As someone who is planning on converting about 20 fairly large mailing lists from majordomo to ezmlm, why are you moving away from it? Just curious, as I was also considering mailman but felt ezmlm's tight integration with qmail was a real selling point... Thanks, Ben -- The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is naturally alarming to people who don't. -- Neal Stephenson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5N3Tx328837 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:29:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 2839 invoked by uid 4000); 23 Jun 2000 03:15:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 2831 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 03:15:19 -0000 To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org References: <00062221334100.00502@ardent-hacker.net> From: Jon Schewe Date: 22 Jun 2000 22:17:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: Eric F Crist's message of "Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:24:56 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/21.1 (Capitol Reef) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List Should be setup just like my network, I've got two ethernet cards in my firewall box, the external one gets EXT-IP, the other gets INT-IP. So here's the setup I've got. INT-IP is in the 192.168.42.* range. ROUTER is my router, when then knows to talk to the ISP's gateway. >netstat -rn Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface INT-IP 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 EXT-IP 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 lo 192.168.42.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 ROUTER 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 jpschewe@disk:~ >ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:48:C6:1F:A2 inet addr:INT-IP Bcast:192.168.42.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:4248130 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:5606251 errors:4 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:4 collisions:3489 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0xef80 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:6D:15:9A:8F inet addr:EXT-IP Bcast:137.192.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.252 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:3996917 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:15 TX packets:2851098 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:0 collisions:257 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:9 Base address:0xef40 I think one thing that really helps here is the my external IP is in a completly different range from my set of internal addresses so it's real easy to separate them. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe schewe@tcfreenet.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5N3nE328914 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:49:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 4095 invoked by uid 4000); 23 Jun 2000 03:34:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 4086 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 03:34:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:19:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Taylor X-Sender: dante@cu.mol.plethora.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org In-Reply-To: <20000622183818.M8127@real-time.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19106] PGP key generation questions Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List Doesn't sound right or safe to me, the key really needs to be generated from the account, preferably by the person most responsible for the account. Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is it possible to generate a pgp key for a different user then the one you are > logged in as? > > For instance, I am logged in as tanner, but I want to generate a pgp key for > hostmaster, can I do it in my own account and just tell hostmaster their > private pass-phrase? > > I don't want to experiment on this. I would hate to loose my (tanner) pgp > keyring. :-) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 23 00:50:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion In-Reply-To: <20000623003634.B14503@emt-p.org>; from insyte@emt-p.org on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 12:36:34AM -0500 References: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com> <20000623003634.B14503@emt-p.org> Message-ID: <20000623005049.H26830@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Beuchler (insyte@emt-p.org): > On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 10:10:53PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > On July 1st, I'll convert the TCLUG mailing lists to Mailman. > > > > I'll leave old list up for 1 week zone the mn-linux.org zone will expire. Then > > everyone should have the new IPs, MX for the new box. > > As someone who is planning on converting about 20 fairly large mailing > lists from majordomo to ezmlm, why are you moving away from it? Just > curious, as I was also considering mailman but felt ezmlm's tight > integration with qmail was a real selling point... Mailman works with qmail as well. Biggest problem is ezmlm does not have a nice way of web archiving the messages. Next problem, even with ezweb, ezmlm is no where as easy to admin as Mailman. Since we mailing lists where users are, hmmm, not technical :-) the web interface rocks. Next, qmail/ezmlm installation sucks. All these dependencies of uid and account names. Makes it really hard to compile the stuff on 1 box and deploy it on another. Especially when you don't install a development environment on your list servers. Finally, qmail/ezmlm upgrade/maintenance sucks. It never 'drops' into place. You always have to tweak something. I have done 3 upgrades of Mailman, each has been flawless. As a busy admin, this is a godsend. I will miss the security and SPEED of qmail, but from admin point and end-user point Mailman is a better product. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 23 00:54:21 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing #3 Message-ID: <20000623005421.I26830@real-time.com> -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From insyte at emt-p.org Fri Jun 23 01:10:51 2000 From: insyte at emt-p.org (Ben Beuchler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion In-Reply-To: <20000623005049.H26830@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 12:50:49AM -0500 References: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com> <20000623003634.B14503@emt-p.org> <20000623005049.H26830@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000623011051.C14503@emt-p.org> On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 12:50:49AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Mailman works with qmail as well. Is it an easy fit? I've been struggling with making our legacy majordomo lists talk to qmail. It's been a headache. > Biggest problem is ezmlm does not have a nice way of web archiving the > messages. Just curious: Did you try ezmlm-cgi at all? > I will miss the security and SPEED of qmail, but from admin point and > end-user point Mailman is a better product. I assume you will be continuing to use qmail as your MTA? I apologize for all the questions: I'm looking at making a decision in the next couple of weeks between mailman and ezmlm. One thing that concerns me about mailman is how well it will work with the qmail/vpopmail virtual domain setup. Thanks, Ben -- The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is naturally alarming to people who don't. -- Neal Stephenson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 23 01:07:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion In-Reply-To: <20000623011051.C14503@emt-p.org>; from insyte@emt-p.org on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 01:10:51AM -0500 References: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com> <20000623003634.B14503@emt-p.org> <20000623005049.H26830@real-time.com> <20000623011051.C14503@emt-p.org> Message-ID: <20000623010742.K26830@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Beuchler (insyte@emt-p.org): > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 12:50:49AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Mailman works with qmail as well. > > Is it an easy fit? I've been struggling with making our legacy majordomo > lists talk to qmail. It's been a headache. Almost as easy as ezmlm. > > Biggest problem is ezmlm does not have a nice way of web archiving the > > messages. > > Just curious: Did you try ezmlm-cgi at all? Yes, did not work very well. Was slow. It was so slow that it would cause backlogs on the tclug list when there was some heavy traffic. > > I will miss the security and SPEED of qmail, but from admin point and > > end-user point Mailman is a better product. > > I assume you will be continuing to use qmail as your MTA? No, went to sendmail, just cuz I was fustrated with qmail. > I apologize for all the questions: I'm looking at making a decision in > the next couple of weeks between mailman and ezmlm. One thing that > concerns me about mailman is how well it will work with the qmail/vpopmail > virtual domain setup. No problem. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 23 01:07:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:19120] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion In-Reply-To: <20000623011051.C14503@emt-p.org>; from insyte@emt-p.org on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 01:10:51AM -0500 References: <20000622221053.D23323@real-time.com> <20000623003634.B14503@emt-p.org> <20000623005049.H26830@real-time.com> <20000623011051.C14503@emt-p.org> Message-ID: <20000623010742.K26830@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Beuchler (insyte@emt-p.org): > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 12:50:49AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Mailman works with qmail as well. > > Is it an easy fit? I've been struggling with making our legacy majordomo > lists talk to qmail. It's been a headache. Almost as easy as ezmlm. > > Biggest problem is ezmlm does not have a nice way of web archiving the > > messages. > > Just curious: Did you try ezmlm-cgi at all? Yes, did not work very well. Was slow. It was so slow that it would cause backlogs on the tclug list when there was some heavy traffic. > > I will miss the security and SPEED of qmail, but from admin point and > > end-user point Mailman is a better product. > > I assume you will be continuing to use qmail as your MTA? No, went to sendmail, just cuz I was fustrated with qmail. > I apologize for all the questions: I'm looking at making a decision in > the next couple of weeks between mailman and ezmlm. One thing that > concerns me about mailman is how well it will work with the qmail/vpopmail > virtual domain setup. No problem. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 23 01:14:50 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19121] PGP Keyserver? Message-ID: <20000623011450.A27473@real-time.com> What is the US PGP keyserver called? Looks like BAL is dead and it's been a very long time since I had to look for one. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Jun 23 07:07:25 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19105] Alpha problems In-Reply-To: <3952BEEC.E3898ED@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: I'd need a proper null modem cable instead of just a patch cable to do that right? I've never set up serial terminal before... I looked through the HOW-TOs but it wasn't clear if I could use the Linux box as a terminal for something else. Mostly what I saw was how to set up a terminal on a Linux box serial port. Charlie On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > I changed the boot setting from NT to Digital UNIX and powered the system > > down like it asked me to. Now I don't get any output from the video card. > > The keyboard LEDs blink and it beeps just as usual but doesn't display > > anything. > > I know next to nothing about Alphas, but I'm curious if you would get > anything by connecting a laptop or something to the serial port. > Perhaps the Digital UNIX mode doesn't initialize the video card, > assuming that you're going for the headless server situation.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Vulcans have less fun. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 07:55:08 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19105] Alpha problems References: Message-ID: <39535E2C.DB95DFDC@tc.umn.edu> Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > > I'd need a proper null modem cable instead of just a patch cable to do > that right? Yes, I think you're correct. > I've never set up serial terminal before... I looked through the HOW-TOs > but it wasn't clear if I could use the Linux box as a terminal for > something else. Mostly what I saw was how to set up a terminal on a > Linux box serial port. The operating system doesn't really matter. You just need some sort of software that can talk to the serial port. I forget what Windows comes with (Hyperterminal?), but you can use minicom on Linux (often comes pre-installed). I guess the only problem is that it might be a little difficult to configure those programs. The main problem is getting the line speed set right. Most systems that I know of send data at 9600bps, 8,N,1. In the worst case, you can always try just `cat /dev/ttyS?' (and try to replace ? with the correct port number). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Radioactive halibut is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ good for fission chips. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 07:58:11 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19121] PGP Keyserver? References: <20000623011450.A27473@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39535EE3.EACBA322@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > What is the US PGP keyserver called? Looks like BAL is dead and it's been a > very long time since I had to look for one. keyserver.net? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Happiness is an OC-48, or / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ -96, or -192, or... \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Jun 23 08:46:16 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19105] Alpha problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes.. a null modem.. aka laplink cable will work just fine.. I'm not familiar with the EB164 boards, I have a couple of SX164 boards, and have worked with a few other alpha models.. they do support serial booting, what you are going to end up with is the SRM command line for digital unix, it is mostly useless for running linux, because most of the distro's don't support BSD style partition tables.. (you can't use a drive with fdisk partition tables with SRM, afaik) so you are going to want to switch back to the ARC (NT) boot mode.. or the alphabios mode (depending on what kind you have).. there is also a way to reset this functionality with firmware updates from digital.. but they can be a pain in the ass to load on some systems. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > I'd need a proper null modem cable instead of just a patch cable to do > that right? > > I've never set up serial terminal before... I looked through the HOW-TOs > but it wasn't clear if I could use the Linux box as a terminal for > something else. Mostly what I saw was how to set up a terminal on a > Linux box serial port. > > Charlie > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > > I changed the boot setting from NT to Digital UNIX and powered the system > > > down like it asked me to. Now I don't get any output from the video card. > > > The keyboard LEDs blink and it beeps just as usual but doesn't display > > > anything. > > > > I know next to nothing about Alphas, but I'm curious if you would get > > anything by connecting a laptop or something to the serial port. > > Perhaps the Digital UNIX mode doesn't initialize the video card, > > assuming that you're going for the headless server situation.. > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Vulcans have less fun. > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at usinternet.com Fri Jun 23 08:48:53 2000 From: esper at usinternet.com (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... In-Reply-To: <00062221334100.00502@ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 09:24:56PM -0500 References: <00062221334100.00502@ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20000623084853.B1905@bridgephone.net> On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 09:24:56PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > Here's the problem: I don't know how to configure PPP or whatever so that the > BSD box knows to route internet bound trafffic to the 192.168.1.1 address. I could be wrong (my DSL isn't getting hooked up until next week), but I'm pretty sure that the only place PPP is being used is 675<->USWest. Your BSD box should still be using plain TCP/IP to talk to the 675. US West | - PPP 675 | - Normal ethernet BSD | - Normal ethernet Hub | - Normal ethernet Other Oops... Waitaminnit... Just realized I answered the wrong question... To tell your BSD box to send all traffic to the outside world through the 675, just use route add -host (675's IP) dev ethN route add default gw (675's IP) where ethN is the network card that's hooked up to the 675. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Jun 23 09:24:11 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients (was Re: Windows Installers) Message-ID: <000701bfdd1e$b3824680$1000a8c0@cschumann> Hi all, Mike mentioned rolling out SSH and X client software for windows. Since most commercial applications have their own installers, I'm curious about the need for an installer at all, unless it's to install multiple packages at one go. Also, I did some hard looking at SSH clients and found only one that was licensed by RSA, and the others either mentioned that they may not be legal to use in the US, or seemed completely ignorant that they may be publishing illegal software. (And yes, I know that key RSA patents expire on September 1.) Mike and others, I'd appreciate any information you could provide on your choice of SSH client and why you chose it/them. Many thanks, Chris Schumann --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 10:10:55 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients (was Re: Windows Installers) References: <000701bfdd1e$b3824680$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <39537DFF.594CF8AA@tc.umn.edu> Is it illegal to use the RSA reference implementation? I honestly thought that that was why 'ssh' packages had a US and an International version. Isn't it possible to make secure shell without using RSA? I'm not saying they did these things, or that their products are not illegal here, I am just asking the questions. Chris Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > Mike mentioned rolling out SSH and X client software for windows. Since > most commercial applications have their own installers, I'm curious > about the need for an installer at all, unless it's to install multiple > packages at one go. > > Also, I did some hard looking at SSH clients and found only one that was > licensed by RSA, and the others either mentioned that they may not be > legal to use in the US, or seemed completely ignorant that they may be > publishing illegal software. (And yes, I know that key RSA patents > expire on September 1.) > > Mike and others, I'd appreciate any information you could provide on > your choice of SSH client and why you chose it/them. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., automobile and gun accidents." -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Fri Jun 23 11:08:45 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19106] PGP key generation questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101bfdd2d$4ee28c80$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > > Is it possible to generate a pgp key for a different user then the > one you are > > logged in as? > > > > For instance, I am logged in as tanner, but I want to generate a pgp key for > > hostmaster, can I do it in my own account and just tell hostmaster their > > private pass-phrase? > > > > I don't want to experiment on this. I would hate to loose my (tanner) pgp > > keyring. :-) Your best bet is simply to "su" to that user's account and create a keyring normally. We do that here for some systems that we want to automatically encrypt & deliver messages to on a regular basis. If you can't "su" to that account -- well, just out of curiosity, why is it that "hostmaster" won't trust you to log in as them, but *will* trust you to hold their private encryption key? Anyways, I believe you can create a second pgp keypair and export it, much like you would to move it from one PC to another. Unfortunately, I use "gpg", Gnu's free PGP replacement, so I don't know the exact commands you'd have to give it. Anyways it's much easier to just log in as the user in question and let pgp handle the keyring & whatnot. ---BEGIN PBP SIGNATURE--- Version: Pretty Bad Privacy v0.23 01 ----END PBP SIGNATURE---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 11:11:30 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... In-Reply-To: <20000623084853.B1905@bridgephone.net> Message-ID: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 09:24:56PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > > Here's the problem: I don't know how to configure PPP or whatever so that the > > BSD box knows to route internet bound trafffic to the 192.168.1.1 address. > > I could be wrong (my DSL isn't getting hooked up until next week), but I'm > pretty sure that the only place PPP is being used is 675<->USWest. Your BSD > box should still be using plain TCP/IP to talk to the 675. > > US West > | - PPP > 675 > | - Normal ethernet > BSD > | - Normal ethernet > Hub > | - Normal ethernet > Other > > Oops... Waitaminnit... Just realized I answered the wrong question... > > To tell your BSD box to send all traffic to the outside world through the > 675, just use > > route add -host (675's IP) dev ethN > route add default gw (675's IP) > > where ethN is the network card that's hooked up to the 675. You could skip the BSD box altogether, I am assuming its there for NAT, and just use the NAT on the 675. It is working fine for me. US West is in the habit of telling people they need multiple IPs but the technician I talked to at VISI was nice enough to tell me the entries to make it work on the 675(all the information you need is in the 675's manual); after having used FreeBSD for a couple of months for NAT. It works great. I have only had to restart it once in the last 6 months. I still haven't been able to get the 675's DHCP server working correctly but that would just be gratuitus sugary topping. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 23 11:42:09 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:19120] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19112] Mailman conversion In-Reply-To: <20000623010742.K26830@real-time.com> Message-ID: I would suggest postfix. It is easy to configure and it has been rumored to scale much better than sendmail. I am not sure if it is quite as configurable as sendmail - but you can do a lot with it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Ben Beuchler (insyte@emt-p.org): > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 12:50:49AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Mailman works with qmail as well. > > > > Is it an easy fit? I've been struggling with making our legacy majordomo > > lists talk to qmail. It's been a headache. > > Almost as easy as ezmlm. > > > > Biggest problem is ezmlm does not have a nice way of web archiving the > > > messages. > > > > Just curious: Did you try ezmlm-cgi at all? > > Yes, did not work very well. Was slow. It was so slow that it would cause > backlogs on the tclug list when there was some heavy traffic. > > > > I will miss the security and SPEED of qmail, but from admin point and > > > end-user point Mailman is a better product. > > > > I assume you will be continuing to use qmail as your MTA? > > No, went to sendmail, just cuz I was fustrated with qmail. > > > I apologize for all the questions: I'm looking at making a decision in > > the next couple of weeks between mailman and ezmlm. One thing that > > concerns me about mailman is how well it will work with the qmail/vpopmail > > virtual domain setup. > > No problem. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From joe_hesse at actcx.com Fri Jun 23 10:29:44 2000 From: joe_hesse at actcx.com (Joseph Hesse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19132] Hi Message-ID: <000a01bfdd27$db4bbc60$0300000a@dex> Hi, Can your remove me from the tclug-list. Its more info that I can handle at the moment. Thanks, Joe joe_hesse@actcx.com From peter at math.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 12:03:49 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients (was Re: Windows Installers) In-Reply-To: <39537DFF.594CF8AA@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: The RSA algorithm is patented in the US, but will expire 9/2000. In the meantime, you must build against the RSA Reference (RSAREF) libraries. The majority of this debacle is explained at the following locations (and many others): The "COPYING" document in the ssh source code. http://www.homeport.org/~adam/crypto/rsaref.phtml http://www.openssh.com/faq.html http://www.rsasecurity.com/ Peter Lukas On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > Is it illegal to use the RSA reference implementation? I honestly > thought that that was why 'ssh' packages had a US and an International > version. Isn't it possible to make secure shell without using RSA? I'm > not saying they did these things, or that their products are not illegal > here, I am just asking the questions. > > Chris Schumann wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Mike mentioned rolling out SSH and X client software for windows. Since > > most commercial applications have their own installers, I'm curious > > about the need for an installer at all, unless it's to install multiple > > packages at one go. > > > > Also, I did some hard looking at SSH clients and found only one that was > > licensed by RSA, and the others either mentioned that they may not be > > legal to use in the US, or seemed completely ignorant that they may be > > publishing illegal software. (And yes, I know that key RSA patents > > expire on September 1.) > > > > Mike and others, I'd appreciate any information you could provide on > > your choice of SSH client and why you chose it/them. > > > > Many thanks, > > Chris Schumann > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > automobile and gun accidents." > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From theixian at unrest.cx Fri Jun 23 12:13:29 2000 From: theixian at unrest.cx (The Ixian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19132] Hi References: <000a01bfdd27$db4bbc60$0300000a@dex> Message-ID: <009201bfdd36$5a2c04f0$0900000a@bridgephone.net> go to http://www.mn-linux.org/ to unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hesse" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19132] Hi Hi, Can your remove me from the tclug-list. Its more info that I can handle at the moment. Thanks, Joe joe_hesse@actcx.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Jun 23 13:51:44 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? Message-ID: Hi everyone, Does anyone know if it's possible to take some tables from an MS Access database and move them somehow to a PostgreSQL database? (Actually, MySQL would probably be fine too. I won't need transaction support) I'm trying to access some student data for our Web site, but it currently lives in an Access database. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Fri Jun 23 13:52:34 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19136] ntop/chroot questions Message-ID: I just started using ntop (network top) today, and it seems like a cool and useful tool. has anyone else used it/had any experience with it? I might like to leave it running for some time; but I see that it runs as root (it's installed SUID by default). I decided to try chrooting it (partly as a learning exercise with chroot); but I can't seem to make chroot work. :( here's how I have things set up so far: [root@loop /home/ntop]# ls -alF total 7 drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ./ drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 1024 Jun 23 11:26 ../ -rw------- 1 root root 123 Jun 23 12:01 .bash_history drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:30 bin/ drwx------ 3 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:51 etc/ drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 root/ drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:49 sbin/ [root@loop /home/ntop]# ls -alF * bin: total 370 drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:30 ./ drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ -rwx------ 1 root root 373176 Jun 23 13:30 bash* etc: total 3 drwx------ 3 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:51 ./ drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ drwx------ 3 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:51 ntop/ root: total 3 drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ./ drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ -rw------- 1 root root 41 Jun 23 11:30 .ntop sbin: total 253 drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:49 ./ drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ -rwx------ 1 root root 255928 Jun 23 12:42 ntop* here's what happens when I try chroot'ing, tho: [root@loop /home/ntop]# chroot /home/ntop/ sbin/ntop chroot: cannot execute sbin/ntop: No such file or directory [root@loop /home/ntop]# chroot /home/ntop/ chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory as one can see from the above listing, those files very well *are* present; and AFAIK, have the right permissions. I can launch those particular files just fine (bin/bash, sbin/ntop), when I don't chroot. what am I missing here? I'm sure it's something obvious... Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 13:56:23 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Does anyone know if it's possible to take some tables from an MS Access > database and move them somehow to a PostgreSQL database? (Actually, MySQL > would probably be fine too. I won't need transaction support) I'm trying to > access some student data for our Web site, but it currently lives in an > Access database. I don't know for sure, but you may find that it gives you some trouble. Anecdotally, my wife had to do something similar (though I think they had to try and wrestly with Visual Basic too) and the final result was that it didn't work. I hope you have better luck! Phil M. -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 14:04:35 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? References: Message-ID: <3953B4C3.F190C92A@tc.umn.edu> You can export the Access tables to flat files, transmogrify them with Perl, and then use Perl to load PostgreSQL from the transmogrified flat files. I mention the transmogrification process because Access's text output will probably need to be modified, and you might want to use another more comfortable tool to load your database (though I don't know what that would be). I am assuming that the data will live in the PostgreSQL/MySQL database and you won't keep going back to the Access file. Is this coreect? Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone know if it's possible to take some tables from an MS Access > database and move them somehow to a PostgreSQL database? (Actually, MySQL > would probably be fine too. I won't need transaction support) I'm trying to > access some student data for our Web site, but it currently lives in an > Access database. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose. -- James Earl Jones --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Jun 23 14:31:15 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? In-Reply-To: <3953B4C3.F190C92A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > You can export the Access tables to flat files, transmogrify them with > Perl, and then use Perl to load PostgreSQL from the transmogrified flat > files. I mention the transmogrification process because Access's text > output will probably need to be modified, and you might want to use > another more comfortable tool to load your database (though I don't know > what that would be). I am assuming that the data will live in the > PostgreSQL/MySQL database and you won't keep going back to the Access > file. Is this coreect? Why don't I fill everyone in a little bit on what I'm trying to do. Someone might have an idea about a better overall approach. All of the student data that our school district uses on a daily basis (grades, schedules, attendance, personal information) lives in an Oracle database at TIES, our district's ISP and creator of the TIES Student Information System (TSIS). We contract with them to provide technology services such as report card printing, scheduling, attendance, etc. I'm trying to create a Web site that uses Zope. We'd like to make some of that student data available to staff on our intranet and use other parts to allow students to view their own attendance, grades, and eventually display lists of upcoming assignments and other goodies. The easiest solution would be to use Zope's Oracle Database adaptor and connect to the TIES DB directly. They apparently don't like that idea. They will, however, make data available to use in the form of tables for MS Access--probably using a nightly mirror or something. This has been utilized for various small projects before, although I haven't been involved with it. The next easiest solution would be to connect directly to Access using ODBC. Unfortunately the ODBC Database adaptor only works on Windows. There is no Linux-compatible version. There is, however, a very nice PostgreSQL Database adaptor which brings me to the third possibility... I could install PostgreSQL on the Web server and do a nightly mirror of the Access tables to Postgres. The problem is that I don't know how to do this step. We've also considered setting up our own Oracle DB here at school. No knows anything about Oracle, however, and I don't think I have time to be full-time teacher and part-time sys admin/Webmaster/ *and* Oracle DBA. I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone might have. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 14:47:10 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? References: Message-ID: <3953BEBE.828EF74D@tc.umn.edu> They might not feel good about supplying dual formats, but you might want to ask if they could supply flat text files of the data you want. It might actually be easier for them to do. Oracle has a reputation for being solid and reliable, but not for easy administration. I think setting up some other database might be easier and less costly (in time and money). You might be able to kludge together an Access DB/"program" that would open the other Access DB, export it to flat files, then process them from there. Unfortunately, that would be relying more heavily on Windows and (especially) Access than I could recommend. Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > You can export the Access tables to flat files, transmogrify them with > > Perl, and then use Perl to load PostgreSQL from the transmogrified flat > > files. I mention the transmogrification process because Access's text > > output will probably need to be modified, and you might want to use > > another more comfortable tool to load your database (though I don't know > > what that would be). I am assuming that the data will live in the > > PostgreSQL/MySQL database and you won't keep going back to the Access > > file. Is this coreect? > > Why don't I fill everyone in a little bit on what I'm trying to do. Someone > might have an idea about a better overall approach. > > All of the student data that our school district uses on a daily basis > (grades, schedules, attendance, personal information) lives in an Oracle > database at TIES, our district's ISP and creator of the TIES Student > Information System (TSIS). We contract with them to provide technology > services such as report card printing, scheduling, attendance, etc. > > I'm trying to create a Web site that uses Zope. We'd like to make some of > that student data available to staff on our intranet and use other parts to > allow students to view their own attendance, grades, and eventually display > lists of upcoming assignments and other goodies. > > The easiest solution would be to use Zope's Oracle Database adaptor and > connect to the TIES DB directly. They apparently don't like that idea. They > will, however, make data available to use in the form of tables for MS > Access--probably using a nightly mirror or something. This has been utilized > for various small projects before, although I haven't been involved with it. > > The next easiest solution would be to connect directly to Access using ODBC. > Unfortunately the ODBC Database adaptor only works on Windows. There is no > Linux-compatible version. There is, however, a very nice PostgreSQL Database > adaptor which brings me to the third possibility... > > I could install PostgreSQL on the Web server and do a nightly mirror of the > Access tables to Postgres. The problem is that I don't know how to do this > step. > > We've also considered setting up our own Oracle DB here at school. No knows > anything about Oracle, however, and I don't think I have time to be > full-time teacher and part-time sys admin/Webmaster/ *and* Oracle DBA. > > I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone might have. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Never could an increase of comfort or security be a sufficient good to be bought at the price of liberty. -- Hillaire Belloc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 15:00:33 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? References: Message-ID: <3953C1E1.2CBA2DDF@tc.umn.edu> If you feel like buying somethign check this out: http://freshmeat.net/appindex/1999/07/26/933004474.html -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen. -- "M.T. Cicero", in a newspaper letter of 1788 touching the "militia" referred to in the Second Amendment to the Constitution. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 23 15:18:33 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? Message-ID: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com> I have been trying to contact Network Solutions via phone for the last 4 days, I get all circuits busy. Has anyone ever gotten through to these people? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From OWilliams at gillettechildrens.com Fri Jun 23 15:26:57 2000 From: OWilliams at gillettechildrens.com (O'ree Williams) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? Message-ID: I just signed up, so no, I haven't gotten through to them yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ksm at dogbrain.com Fri Jun 23 15:37:47 2000 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? In-Reply-To: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500 References: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000623153747.A25607@dogbrain.com> I had to once, i couldn't get through on the published phone number. Like you are seeing, everything is busy. I ended up calling a random extension at NSI . I got somebody who happily transferred me to where I wanted to be. Real lame - Karl On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have been trying to contact Network Solutions via phone for the last 4 days, > I get all circuits busy. Has anyone ever gotten through to these people? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Karl Morgan http://www.dogbrain.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 15:38:42 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? In-Reply-To: References: <3953B4C3.F190C92A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000623153842.00a14db0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> At 02:31 PM 6/23/00 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: >I could install PostgreSQL on the Web server and do a nightly mirror of the >Access tables to Postgres. The problem is that I don't know how to do this >step. Whatever anyone else tells you about previous steps,... When you get to the part about uploading to PostGres remember the SQL: LOAD DATA INFILE INTO If PostGress doesn't allow LOAD DATA INFILE... then switch and use MySQL. You may have to upgrade as this is a recently accepted addition to SQL as far as I can tell. The best discussion I have EVER seen on LOAD DATA INFILE ... is in the DeBOIS book on MySQL. Also there is a phpMyAdmin which is web page based which SHOULD work to make your life a LOT easier. And last, though I haven't done it yet, the whole process might be automated with a perl script.... where you just skip the ACCESS database step. I hope at least some of this helps.... gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jbevren at yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 14:52:03 2000 From: jbevren at yahoo.com (David Wood) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19132] Hi In-Reply-To: <009201bfdd36$5a2c04f0$0900000a@bridgephone.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, The Ixian wrote: > go to http://www.mn-linux.org/ to unsubscribe Actually, this is an out-of-the-ordinary day. :) It's not normally so busy. ;) -David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Jun 23 16:47:47 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19132] Hi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes.. busy days are fun.. but don't you get tired of people who never realize that sending email to ANY list will never get you off it.. or bother to read that removal is listed at the end of every email on the list? *sigh* Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, David Wood wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, The Ixian wrote: > > > go to http://www.mn-linux.org/ to unsubscribe > > Actually, this is an out-of-the-ordinary day. :) It's not normally so busy. > ;) > > -David > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 19:45:14 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients (was Re: Windows Installers) References: <000701bfdd1e$b3824680$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <3954049A.3FC9B41A@tc.umn.edu> Chris Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > Mike mentioned rolling out SSH and X client software for windows. Since > most commercial applications have their own installers, I'm curious > about the need for an installer at all, unless it's to install multiple > packages at one go. After mulling it over a little bit, I think I must have had an exceptionally low opinion of the people where I work -- I've still only met a handful of people there.. I was planning on wrapping PuTTY, perhaps along with an X-Windows package of some sort, into a little auto-install-and-make-shortcuts-and-tweak-the-registry package. > Also, I did some hard looking at SSH clients and found only one that was > licensed by RSA, and the others either mentioned that they may not be > legal to use in the US, or seemed completely ignorant that they may be > publishing illegal software. (And yes, I know that key RSA patents > expire on September 1.) I saw that warning on the PuTTY homepage, and I am somewhat concerned. I figure that if I have to, I can (hopefully) compile a `legal' version. However, I don't know if that's even much of an option with that client (has anyone bothered to compile it?) However, I do notice that the versions of ssh used on the central mail servers here at the U, along with versions in several other areas, do not link to the RSAREF libraries. Perhaps the U has a site-wide license of some kind, or maybe we're all just filthy criminals ;-) > Mike and others, I'd appreciate any information you could provide on > your choice of SSH client and why you chose it/them. I used to use TeraTerm SSH when I had to deal with Windows, but that required a lot of fiddling to get everything right. For one thing, I hate terminal windows with white backgrounds! The reverse video option never worked quite right for me. Also, TTSSH's window didn't behave like an xterm by default -- ie if you make an xterm bigger, it gives you more rows and columns (unlike normal DOS windows where making the window bigger makes the font increase in size..) PuTTY just behaves better by default. However, I kind of think it would be better for PuTTY to just be an SSH client, which would prevent users from accidentally clicking the `telnet' radio button and then complaining that they can't connect anymore... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Fraud(n): A telephone / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ number starting with \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) "1-900" [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 23 20:03:25 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients (was Re: Windows Installers) References: <000701bfdd1e$b3824680$1000a8c0@cschumann> <3954049A.3FC9B41A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <395408DD.7438CDB9@tc.umn.edu> > After mulling it over a little bit, I think I must have had an > exceptionally low opinion of the people where I work hmm.. that sounded particularly evil for some reason. lemme rephrase.. For some reason, when I posted that last message, I was having a really low opinion of the people that I was supposed to be supporting. This was a totally unjustified position, as I don't think I've even met more than 3 of the people I'm supposed to be helping. This all means that I probably won't be using an installer, unless (like I said in my previous post) I have to install X Windows software along with it, etc.. Of course, this doesn't mean that a Free installer for Windows software is a bad idea. It would be great to see good installation software on that platform -- especially something that does't dumbly try to install DirectX 4, IE 3, etc. ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A living example of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Artificial Intelligence. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Jun 23 21:21:17 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000623153842.00a14db0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, George Swan wrote: > Whatever anyone else tells you about previous steps,... > > When you get to the part about uploading to PostGres remember the SQL: > > LOAD DATA INFILE INTO I've seen a reference to this before. It looks very handy. I've been doing some reading about ODBC. Would someone let me know if this makes sense? There's an ODBC driver for PostgreSQL that runs on Win32. Does that mean that I can use the ODBC driver to make an Access DB a "datasouce" for the PostgreSQL server running on my Linux box? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dkleist at acm.org Sat Jun 24 07:11:16 2000 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? Message-ID: <01BFDDAB.6428BA00.dkleist@acm.org> I'm no expert, but to me it seems backwards: with an ODBC driver in Windows, you can make the Postgres a datasource in Access (that's how I've used ODBC with other server databases - no experience with Linux databases, sorry). One gotcha with ODBC: it processes a row-at-a-time. This means if you are throwing data up to the server, it processes a single row (and completes) before getting the next row. Depending on the amount of data, this can be an incredibly slow process. You may be better served following the other suggestions, dumping flat files and uploading those to use the bulk insert functions. If you want this automated, there are some shareware scheduling tools for Windows that might help out. Also, if you need help in determining how to do the Access processing, I can help with that (off-list, of course). What you are looking to do is similar to other things I've got going at work. - Dave ------- Dave Kleist | "Adventure is a sign of incompetence" dkleist@acm.org | - Vilhjalmur Stefansson On Friday, June 23, 2000 9:21 PM, Timothy Wilson [SMTP:wilson@visi.com] wrote: > I've been doing some reading about ODBC. Would someone let me know if this > makes sense? > > There's an ODBC driver for PostgreSQL that runs on Win32. Does that mean > that I can use the ODBC driver to make an Access DB a "datasouce" for the > PostgreSQL server running on my Linux box? > > -Tim > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Jun 24 10:11:36 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000623153842.00a14db0@g-swan.email.umn.edu>; from g-swan@maroon.tc.umn.edu on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:38:42PM -0500 References: <3953B4C3.F190C92A@tc.umn.edu> <3.0.5.32.20000623153842.00a14db0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000624101136.A14553@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:38:42PM -0500, George Swan wrote: > Whatever anyone else tells you about previous steps,... > > When you get to the part about uploading to PostGres remember the SQL: > > LOAD DATA INFILE INTO > > If PostGress doesn't allow LOAD DATA INFILE... then switch and use MySQL. Man. That's a pretty small feature to base your decision on the DB you wish to use. Don't you think you should at least find out what type of information will be stored/modified/updated first? Ask Tim if he's actually going to change data or if he's simply trying to display it. We should also be asking whether the data is a normalized database or a wide, un-normalized database. To answer the question as to whether PostgreSQL can do "bulk copy program" functionality, as it's commonly referred to, let's look at the PostgreSQL User's Guide. Hmm... (./user/sql-copy.htm): Name COPY -- Copies data between files and tables COPY [ BINARY ] table [ WITH OIDS ] FROM { 'filename' | stdin } [ [USING] DELIMITERS 'delimiter' ] [ WITH NULL AS 'null string' ] That's seems about right. You can access any documentation about PostgreSQL from their website at (http://www.postgres.org). 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That's a pretty small feature to base your decision on the DB > you wish to use. Don't you think you should at least find out what > type of information will be stored/modified/updated first? Ask Tim if > he's actually going to change data or if he's simply trying to display > it. We should also be asking whether the data is a normalized > database or a wide, un-normalized database. Okay. BTW, Tim, we really should be asking what type of information will be stored/modified/updated first, shouldn't we? Are you actually going to change data or are you simply trying to display it? Is the data from a normalized database (???? whaaaa???) or a wide, un-normalized DB? [chewie: "NOW CUT THAT OUT!!!"] > Name > > COPY -- Copies data between files and tables > > COPY [ BINARY ] table [ WITH OIDS ] > FROM { 'filename' | stdin } > [ [USING] DELIMITERS 'delimiter' ] > [ WITH NULL AS 'null string' ] > > That's seems about right. You can access any documentation about > PostgreSQL from their website at (http://www.postgres.org). Good luck > on your website, Tim. and now that I'm home, from DeBois: LOAD DATA [LOW_PRIORITY] [LOCAL] INFILE 'file_name' [IGNORE | REPLACE] INTO TABLE tbl_name import_options [IGNORE n LINES] [(column_list)] [(column_list)] (nest at import_options) [FIELDS [TERMINATED BY 'string'] // default '\t' [OPTIONALLY] ENCLOSED BY 'char'] // default '' [ESCAPED BY 'char']] // default '\\' [LINES TERMINATED BY 'string'] // default '\n' Just trying to be helpful. But it's saturday and I really ought to get going to HAR MAR and maul the books on postgres at Barnes and Noble. There's just something about books, ya see... fresh printed manuals.... I just can't keep my hands off 'em ... Take it light, guys. gs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 24 10:51:09 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George M Swan III) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE Message-ID: <200006241551.KAA15005@www1.software.umn.edu> > Man. That's a pretty small feature to base your decision on the DB > you wish to use. Don't you think you should at least find out what > type of information will be stored/modified/updated first? Ask Tim if > he's actually going to change data or if he's simply trying to display > it. We should also be asking whether the data is a normalized > database or a wide, un-normalized database. Yes I suppose I should have, ...but I didna know no better...... yet. :-) Seriously, chewie, what's 'normalized' and 'un-normalized mean'? (I'm headed for the 6C to B&N, so I'll pick up on this later.) gs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 24 11:29:32 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE In-Reply-To: <200006241551.KAA15005@www1.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, George M Swan III wrote: > > database or a wide, un-normalized database. > Yes I suppose I should have, > ...but I didna know no better...... yet. :-) > > Seriously, chewie, what's 'normalized' and 'un-normalized mean'? > (I'm headed for the 6C to B&N, so I'll pick up on this later.) A good quick book to look at for this is the O'Reilly MySQL & mSQL book, chapter 2. Sadly, the rest of the book is worthless. If you are going to use MySQL and need a good reference book (but nothing on normalization), by the DuBois book MySQL. It is excellent. Now, regarding normalization -- this is a fancy database way of saying that you don't repeat your data. To use a rough metaphore, it's like a function in one of your programs. Basically, you split off information which is not unique to a single record into its own table, then refer to it in the original table by a reference (in MySQL, you must use a number. Other more advanced databases have what's known as "foriegn keys" to help you out.) For example, let's say you were making a database containing recipies. One way to do it would be roughly this (this is MySQL code since it's all I know right now): create table recipies ( recipie_id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, ingredients TEXT NOT NULL, preparation TEXT NOT NULL ); This will work fine. But you're likely to repeat "flour" a lot, aren't you? And at least some of the time, you're probably going to spell it wrong, or forget it or something. That's lame. So, if we sperate out the ingredients... create table ingredient ( ingredient_id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, ingredient_name VARCHAR(255) ); ...then change the main table... create table recipies ( recipie_id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARCHAR(255), preparation TEXT NOT NULL ); ...we can then create a new table which contains both the recipie_id AND the ingredient_id to list all the ingredients which are in a single recipie: create table ingredient_in_recipie ) id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, ingredient_id INT NOT NULL, recipie_id INT NOT NULL, UNIQUE(ingredient_id, recipie_id) ); Now, I can get a list of every ingredient in a recipie -- but I can also get a list of every recipie which has an ingredient in it! That's the power of normalization: you get more flexiblity with your data. It may seem like overkill in this example, but it could be done. Hope this answered some questions instead of horribly confusing you... Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 24 11:32:14 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE In-Reply-To: <20000624101136.A14553@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, ^chewie wrote: > To answer the question as to whether PostgreSQL can do "bulk copy > program" functionality, as it's commonly referred to, let's look at > the PostgreSQL User's Guide. Hmm... (./user/sql-copy.htm): Chewie, you seem pretty up on this Postgres stuff, so I gotta question forya. I'm interested in switching from MySQL -> postgres due to transaction and ACID support. I'm also interested in running my own personal website using postgres for the same reasons. However, I don't know where to start. Can you (or anyone) recommend some good PostgreSQL books? Thanks, Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sat Jun 24 11:49:05 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found the most usefull document is the user.ps file that comes with the distro.. It is way more up to date, and complete than the docs on the web site.. chewie mentioned to me this morning that there is also a new book out, and you can download it from the postgres web site.. (postgresql.org) warning.. if you are going to print out user.ps.. it's around 400 pages.. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, ^chewie wrote: > > > To answer the question as to whether PostgreSQL can do "bulk copy > > program" functionality, as it's commonly referred to, let's look at > > the PostgreSQL User's Guide. Hmm... (./user/sql-copy.htm): > > Chewie, you seem pretty up on this Postgres stuff, so I gotta question > forya. I'm interested in switching from MySQL -> postgres due to > transaction and ACID support. I'm also interested in running my own > personal website using postgres for the same reasons. However, I don't > know where to start. Can you (or anyone) recommend some good PostgreSQL > books? > > Thanks, > Luke > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Sat Jun 24 11:52:17 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients (was Re: Windows Installers) In-Reply-To: <395408DD.7438CDB9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Universities and non-profit orgs are exempt from the patent and copyright issues in SSH (and SSH2). Peter Lukas On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > After mulling it over a little bit, I think I must have had an > > exceptionally low opinion of the people where I work > > hmm.. that sounded particularly evil for some reason. lemme rephrase.. > > For some reason, when I posted that last message, I was having a really > low opinion of the people that I was supposed to be supporting. This > was a totally unjustified position, as I don't think I've even met more > than 3 of the people I'm supposed to be helping. > > This all means that I probably won't be using an installer, unless (like > I said in my previous post) I have to install X Windows software along > with it, etc.. > > Of course, this doesn't mean that a Free installer for Windows software > is a bad idea. It would be great to see good installation software on > that platform -- especially something that does't dumbly try to install > DirectX 4, IE 3, etc. ;-) > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A living example of > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Artificial Intelligence. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Sat Jun 24 12:29:33 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19135] Access to PostgreSQL via ODBC? In-Reply-To: <01BFDDAB.6428BA00.dkleist@acm.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Dave Kleist wrote: > I'm no expert, but to me it seems backwards: with an ODBC driver in > Windows, you can make the Postgres a datasource in Access (that's how I've > used ODBC with other server databases - no experience with Linux databases, > sorry). Well that's certainly not what I'm looking for. > One gotcha with ODBC: it processes a row-at-a-time. Yikes! I don't think that would work very well. It seems like what I'll have to do is import flat files into Postgres that were exported from Access. I should have mentioned it before, but I'm interested in the data on a purely *read-only* basis. There's no reason at this stage to allow students to change their own grades, just view them. :-) I don't have a lot of information yet about the structure of the data. I'm going to dig into that next week. I'd really love to bypass Access together and upload the tables into PostgreSQL directly from Oracle. But I don't know what issues are involved with that, and I haven't talked to the people who are in charge of the Oracle DB yet. I may come back to the list in a couple days with more information and try to glean some more wisdom from the group. Thanks again. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Sat Jun 24 14:27:02 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19136] ntop/chroot questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are missing /lib in your gaol. Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I just started using ntop (network top) today, and it seems > like a cool and useful tool. has anyone else used it/had any > experience with it? > I might like to leave it running for some time; but I see that > it runs as root (it's installed SUID by default). I decided to try > chrooting it (partly as a learning exercise with chroot); but I can't > seem to make chroot work. :( > here's how I have things set up so far: > > [root@loop /home/ntop]# ls -alF > total 7 > drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ./ > drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 1024 Jun 23 11:26 ../ > -rw------- 1 root root 123 Jun 23 12:01 .bash_history > drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:30 bin/ > drwx------ 3 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:51 etc/ > drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 root/ > drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:49 sbin/ > [root@loop /home/ntop]# ls -alF * > bin: > total 370 > drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:30 ./ > drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ > -rwx------ 1 root root 373176 Jun 23 13:30 bash* > > etc: > total 3 > drwx------ 3 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:51 ./ > drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ > drwx------ 3 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:51 ntop/ > > root: > total 3 > drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ./ > drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ > -rw------- 1 root root 41 Jun 23 11:30 .ntop > > sbin: > total 253 > drwx------ 2 root root 1024 Jun 23 12:49 ./ > drwx------ 6 root root 1024 Jun 23 13:37 ../ > -rwx------ 1 root root 255928 Jun 23 12:42 ntop* > > > > here's what happens when I try chroot'ing, tho: > > [root@loop /home/ntop]# chroot /home/ntop/ sbin/ntop > chroot: cannot execute sbin/ntop: No such file or directory > > [root@loop /home/ntop]# chroot /home/ntop/ > chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory > > as one can see from the above listing, those files very well *are* > present; and AFAIK, have the right permissions. I can launch those > particular files just fine (bin/bash, sbin/ntop), when I don't chroot. > > what am I missing here? I'm sure it's something obvious... > > Carl Soderstrom > _________________________________________ > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 24 19:15:57 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George M Swan III) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE Message-ID: <200006250015.TAA18675@www2.software.umn.edu> > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, George M Swan III wrote: > > > > database or a wide, un-normalized database. > > Yes I suppose I should have, > > ...but I didna know no better...... yet. :-) > > > > Seriously, chewie, what's 'normalized' and 'un-normalized mean'? > > (I'm headed for the 6C to B&N, so I'll pick up on this later.) > > A good quick book to look at for this is the O'Reilly MySQL & mSQL > book, chapter 2. Sadly, the rest of the book is worthless. If you are > going to use MySQL and need a good reference book (but nothing on > normalization), by the DuBois book MySQL. It is excellent. > > Now, regarding normalization -- this is a fancy database way of saying > that you don't repeat your data. .... In other words a relational database optimizing performance by splitting data into several tables to minimize storage space and other things. Right??? Or is there something that keeps these two concepts separate: 1) normalized and 2) relational ??? ... also I took note of the use of the term PRIMARY KEY, which would imply indexing of the table upon which it was applied. Which in turn would make the action of LOAD DATA INFILE take much longer according to De Bois and that it's a balancing act to decide which would take less time, 1) muscling through without removing the indexing or 2) removing or desabling the indexing. And thus the importance of chewies' admonition, "[We should first ask if the database is normalized or not.]" Verrrrrrrrrry InterestingK! :-) Thanks Luke. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 24 20:02:06 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE In-Reply-To: <200006250015.TAA18675@www2.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, George M Swan III wrote: > In other words a relational database optimizing performance by splitting > data into several tables to minimize storage space and other things. > Right??? Or is there something that keeps these two concepts separate: > 1) normalized and 2) relational ??? Actually, normalized databases are _slower_ than unnormalized database. Not sure about the storage space, but it's possiblely smaller (since you use an INT to refer to the ingredient instead of TEXT). A database is relational *because* it is normalized -- the "relation" refers to the references between the tables. > ... also I took note of the use of the term PRIMARY KEY, which would imply > indexing of the table upon which it was applied. Which in turn would make > the action of LOAD DATA INFILE take much longer according to De Bois and > that it's a balancing act to decide which would take less time, 1) > muscling through without removing the indexing or 2) removing or desabling > the indexing. And thus the importance of chewies' admonition, "[We should > first ask if the database is normalized or not.]" The use of primary key is basically necessary -- it allows you to refer to each element in the table uniquely. Thus you can say: SELECT * FROM recipies WHERE recipie_id="$foo"; or somesuch thing. Basically, you want indexes (via PRIMARY KEY, UNIQUE, and/or INDEX) on any column which you use in the WHERE part of a SELECT statement. It makes your queries faster at the expense of somewhat slower inserts. But for any table I've created, the selects are more important/more used than the inserts. Have fun. Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Jun 25 01:49:49 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux Message-ID: <3955AB8D.95F866DE@tcfreenet.org> Anyone tried using a joystick with Q3 under Linux? I'm wanting to use my Panther XL. Mwahaha... http://www.pantherxl.com/index1.html Apparently, Q3 does not support joysticks directly. So I've been playing with joy2key. Its a step in the right direction. I'm working on hacking it to send mouse events for the trackball... Am I reinventing the wheel here? Or do people need this. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Jun 25 02:32:10 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux In-Reply-To: <3955AB8D.95F866DE@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 01:49:49AM -0500 References: <3955AB8D.95F866DE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000625023210.A26776@localhost> On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 01:49:49AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >Anyone tried using a joystick with Q3 under Linux? I'm wanting to use my Bah! mouse and arrows man. I had a joystick once, it's in a landfill (or wherever the trash goes) with some winidows CD's now. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From shawn at franknputer.net Sun Jun 25 10:41:19 2000 From: shawn at franknputer.net (Shawn Roske) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux Message-ID: <000e01bfdebb$ce85f780$932c1118@cb45722-a.stcloud1.mn.home.com> Arrows? double bah! everyone knows 31337 gamorz use wasd. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux >On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 01:49:49AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >>Anyone tried using a joystick with Q3 under Linux? I'm wanting to use my > >Bah! mouse and arrows man. I had a joystick once, it's in a landfill (or >wherever the trash goes) with some winidows CD's now. > > >-- >Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > >"I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." >James Bond - The World Is Not Enough >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Jun 25 13:32:03 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19166] SQL Followup In-Reply-To: ; from fran0382@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 08:02:06PM -0500 References: <200006250015.TAA18675@www2.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000625133203.A30288@wookimus.net> Just to follow up on the discussion of loading data into SQL engines, the use of keys, and the differences between normalized and unnormalized databases... Firstly, normalized v.s. unnormalized. Luke covered the topic quite well. Normalization of data is the act of breaking up data into categorical groups and assigning identifiers to the individual records of each group. Take for example, an address book. Any individual you may wish to place in an address book may have more than one email address, snail mail address, phone number, or URL. For maximum flexibility and maximum reuse of data, you break these elements into their respective tables. First, the "header" table for the individual, which contains very static information, such as their name, birthdate (if you want it), nickname, is created. A unique identifier is assigned to this individual so that you can relate this record to the other tables in the database. You then proceed to make tables for each of the other categories, address, phone, email, etc. Now, when the individual gains a new address, you simply add a record to the address table and associate it with the individual. If you had implemented this address book as one large table that contained all of these fields, what is refered to as a "wide table", you would have to edit the individual's record simply to change the address. There are other advantages to having a normalized database over a "wide" database. Changes to a normalized database have less impact on the performance of the database as a whole. Indexing, maintenance, or data locking can be segregated to a smaller portion of the database, making such activities less intrusive. To change an address in a wide database, you may have to lock the table that others may be trying to access at the same time... problem. That is unless you have more advanced locking mechanisms, such as "row-level" locking, or concurrent versioning. Yes, I know. Lots of buzz words. Just bear with me. Check out the documentation on http://www.postgres.org/ if you want to know what I'm talking about. Anyway, there are disadvantages to having a normalized database, such as the more complex queries you have to write, the greater complexity added to maintaining referential integrity (making sure you didn't delete someone from the database while leaving their address or other data just floating around). Queries may actually take longer, depending upon how many tables you're trying to join together for your query result set. (I want to see all of the addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses for Ben Kochie. I will have to join four tables to see all of this data at once. etc...) There are techniques to making these types of "reports" quicker, such as maintaining a "report table" or using views. (Views are pretty cool... Basically a virtual table.) So the real challenge in writing a database schema is deciding whether normalization is right for the application functionality you're trying to provide. For ultimate flexibility, normalization is the key. For ultimate speed, either wide tables or a combination of normalization and wide "report" tables may be the answer. What does this all have to do with Tim's problem? Not much. He doesn't get to design the database schema, and unless he wants to transform the data he gets into a normalized database (if it isn't already.) Well, I wrote enough for now... Didn't touch on keys and such, but that's a discussion for another day. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Barnholtz bbarnholtz@uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 25 13:56:35 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19167] USB WebCam References: <00062513460500.05535@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <395655E3.3D1886CE@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > I am running Mandrake 7.0 and have a IBM PCCamera USB. I am having > difficulties locating a how-to or any info on setting up my camera. Any help > would be appreciated. I think you can find the information you want at http://www.linux-usb.org I couldn't quite figure out the symbols for the different drivers, but I think the driver for your camera is in the alpha or beta stage... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ !pu dekcuf sreenigne / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tfosorciM \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Sun Jun 25 14:45:13 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts Message-ID: <200006251958.e5PJwO304906@sprite.real-time.com> Hi, I've been living with Netscape not displaying fonts correctly since I installed Linux, and I decided that it was time to fix this. I've posed the question to #linux on DalNET and EfNET but nobody seems to have a clue. So now I seek the wisdom of the TCLUG list. Why does Netscape display many common fonts (like Verdana for instance) incorrectly? For instance, if a page is written in Verdana, I see Courier or some other ugly fixed-width font. The font sizes are wrong as well, the displayed characters usually being far too small in size. An example of a page which displays totally incorrectly would be Tucows Linux, but nearly every page has at least some font display error. Any advice appreciated. TIA, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 25 14:54:44 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts In-Reply-To: <200006251943.e5PJhw902051@enchanter.real-time.com>; from blayer@uswest.net on Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 02:45:13PM -0500 References: <200006251943.e5PJhw902051@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000625145444.E1631@real-time.com> First, try here: http://heaven.hamline.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html Helps. Next, get the MS Internet fonts, I cannot remember the URL, but that help alot. - Quoting Bill Layer (blayer@uswest.net): > Hi, > > I've been living with Netscape not displaying fonts correctly since I > installed Linux, and I decided that it was time to fix this. I've posed > the question to #linux on DalNET and EfNET but nobody seems to have a > clue. So now I seek the wisdom of the TCLUG list. > > Why does Netscape display many common fonts (like Verdana for instance) > incorrectly? For instance, if a page is written in Verdana, I see Courier > or some other ugly fixed-width font. The font sizes are wrong as well, > the displayed characters usually being far too small in size. > > An example of a page which displays totally incorrectly would be Tucows > Linux, but nearly every page has at least some font display error. Any > advice appreciated. > > TIA, Bill > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Jun 25 15:13:16 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux References: <3955AB8D.95F866DE@tcfreenet.org> <20000625023210.A26776@localhost> Message-ID: <395667DC.372C145@tcfreenet.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 01:49:49AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >Anyone tried using a joystick with Q3 under Linux? I'm wanting to use my > > Bah! mouse and arrows man. I had a joystick once, it's in a landfill (or > wherever the trash goes) with some winidows CD's now. Do not underestimate the power of the Panther... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Jun 25 18:39:29 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts In-Reply-To: <20000625145444.E1631@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 02:54:44PM -0500 References: <200006251943.e5PJhw902051@enchanter.real-time.com> <20000625145444.E1631@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000625183929.A10160@localhost> Hey Bill. I don't mean to insult your intelligence cause I know you are a smart guy, but do you have some form of trutype engine installed? If so does it work? Secondly, even with all this sometimes font still look like doo-doo. This is (In my understanding) due some anti-aliasing (or lack thereof) issue. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Jun 25 21:29:43 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19173] CVSup Message-ID: <00062521352600.09758@ardent-hacker.net> Hey all. I have been trying to do a cvsup -g -L2 /standard-supfile and everything seems to go fine until the end. Absolutely EVERYTHING in the /usr/src directory is deleted and the cvsup program exits with: disconnecting from servers. Completed Successfully. The only problem is: it never down loaded the new sources. Below is the supfile I've been using. (Note: I'm running FreeBSD 3.4) Thanks for your help in advance. ____________________standard-supfile listed below______________________ # Defaults that apply to all the collections # # IMPORTANT: Change the next line to use one of the CVSup mirror sites # listed at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html. *default host=cvsup.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_RELEASE *default delete use-rel-suffix # If your network link is a T1 or faster, comment out the following line. *default compress ## Main Source Tree. # # The easiest way to get the main source tree is to use the "src-all" # mega-collection. It includes all of the individual "src-*" collections, # except the export-restricted collections. src-all # These are the individual collections that make up "src-all". If you # use these, be sure to comment out "src-all" above. #src-base #src-bin #src-contrib #src-etc #src-games #src-gnu #src-include #src-kerberosIV #src-lib #src-libexec #src-release #src-sbin #src-share #src-sys #src-tools #src-usrbin #src-usrsbin ## Export-restricted collections. # # Only people in the USA and Canada may fetch these collections. If # you are not in the USA or Canada, please use the collections in the # "secure-supfile" instead. # # The easiest way to get the export-restricted code is to use the # "cvs-crypto" mega-collection. cvs-crypto # # These are the individual collections that make up "cvs-crypto". If # you use these, be sure to comment out "cvs-crypto" above. #src-crypto #src-secure #src-sys-crypto ____________________standard-supfile listed above______________________ ---------------------------------- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Jun 25 22:40:08 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19152] LOAD DATA INFILE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > Basically, you split off information > which is not unique to a single record into its own table, then refer to > it in the original table by a reference (in MySQL, you must use a number. > Other more advanced databases have what's known as "foriegn keys" to help > you out.) Unless I'm misunderstanding the information available to me, MySQL *does* have support for foreign keys that don't have to be numbers. MySQL's relations between tables are done by what it refers to as "foreign keys." Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Sun Jun 25 22:52:10 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (andrew nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux References: <000e01bfdebb$ce85f780$932c1118@cb45722-a.stcloud1.mn.home.com> Message-ID: <002e01bfdf21$e88f8d60$158be23f@gateway> I don't know about you people but I have a killer game pad its very rare and it would be the best thing you can possibly imagine for quake but I have no idea how to get the damn thing to work with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Roske To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux > Arrows? double bah! everyone knows 31337 gamorz use wasd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:32 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux > > > >On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 01:49:49AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>Anyone tried using a joystick with Q3 under Linux? I'm wanting to use my > > > >Bah! mouse and arrows man. I had a joystick once, it's in a landfill (or > >wherever the trash goes) with some winidows CD's now. > > > > > >-- > >Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > >"I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > >James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----? > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 00:02:48 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts References: Message-ID: <3956E3F8.1680B342@tc.umn.edu> Bill Layer wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been living with Netscape not displaying fonts correctly since I > installed Linux, and I decided that it was time to fix this. I've posed > the question to #linux on DalNET and EfNET but nobody seems to have a > clue. So now I seek the wisdom of the TCLUG list. Well, everybody's been `living with it' for a while. I've never gotten the fonts to display exactly as I want, but things are not made any easier by page designers that tune their pages for their own displays. Of course, most everyone does that when they make a web page. > Why does Netscape display many common fonts (like Verdana for instance) > incorrectly? For instance, if a page is written in Verdana, I see Courier > or some other ugly fixed-width font. The font sizes are wrong as well, > the displayed characters usually being far too small in size. A large part of the problem is that the sets of fonts in Windows and Linux do not overlap. There are even largely different font sets between Linux and other Unices. In the end, web designers usually have to resort to using fonts known to exist on all platforms, or using aliases such as `serif', `sans-serif', and `monospaced'. As far as I know, there are only two or three fonts in X Windows that can be considered `full' fonts, meaning that they are able to display as normal, bold, and italic. Netscape defaults to using Times Roman, although I usually prefer Helvetica. On Windows, Helvetica is apparently not very popular, and many people use Arial (or Verdana?) instead. I believe that many fonts are encoded incorrectly, saying that they are a certain size when they really are something very different. IMHO, any 12pt font should appear to be the same size as any other 12pt font. Granted, there are certain cases (with strange and frilly fonts, for example) where this doesn't work very well. However, it's not very fun to see that 12pt Arial looks gargantuan compared to 12pt Courier, or whatever... I wish that there were some better tools for font creation under Linux and Unix. I know that some very good fonts have been created in the past (TeX fonts, for example, are of very high quality, although I understand TeX's creator shelled out a big chunk-o-change to get them made..). I know that there are a number of tools for dealing with fixed fonts (BDF and PCF for X Windows), but I haven't seen any for scalable fonts (like TrueType and Type 1). Some fonts end up looking `chunky' when they are displayed because the system is scaling fonts that were never meant to be scaled. IMHO, fixed-sized fonts have their place, but I don't really like them on web pages. However, many scalable fonts often look really crummy with the current X Windows font subsystem. Fortunately, the FreeType people are working on that problem and have done some work with `auto-hinting' [http://freetype.sourceforge.net/autohinting/], which should do a lot to make fonts look better in any X applications that use scalable fonts. Anti-aliasing is the process of `smoothing' edges by using colors that are not just white or just black. The grays in between are also used, to make the fonts look a little cleaner. There are a lot of people who complain about them, though. I'm not exactly sure why, but I think Microsoft has done the best to show why with their recent (re-)development of ClearType. Computers represent the brightness of a pixel on a linear scale, while your monitor displays color on a more logarithmic scale. If your font smoothing algorithms don't take this into account, your fonts can become much less readable. In fact, I imagine that nearly all graphics manipulation software that scales images or that deals with `blurring' is affected by this problem. I guess I didn't provide any answers, but I hope I provided a fairly accurate description of the problems... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ conquered. -- Tux \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jun 26 02:02:50 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19163] Joysticks and Q3 under linux References: <000e01bfdebb$ce85f780$932c1118@cb45722-a.stcloud1.mn.home.com> <002e01bfdf21$e88f8d60$158be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <3957001A.19C00EA@tcfreenet.org> andrew nemchenko wrote: > > I don't know about you people but I have a killer game pad its very rare and > it would be the best thing you can possibly imagine for quake but I have no > idea how to get the damn thing to work with it. If its not a trackball it can't be any good. ;) Is it supported by the joystick driver? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 07:27:01 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19173] CVSup In-Reply-To: <00062521352600.09758@ardent-hacker.net> from "Eric F Crist" at Jun 25, 2000 09:29:43 PM Message-ID: <200006261227.HAA17068@acm.cs.umn.edu> The only thing I see wrong is your tag. I use RELENG_4. And I'm not sure you can have two options on a line. delete that tag=RELENG_4_RELEASE part of that line and add a new line *default tag=RELENG_4 So, in reality, you _did_ get all of the src associated with tag "RELENG_4_RELEASE"... Unfortunately, there aren't any :) note: if you're trying to sup ports as well, you won't get any with the RELENG_4 tag as the ports are only in current. So you'll need a *default tag=. line. I usually make seperate source files for ports and src. hth Gabe > > Hey all. > > I have been trying to do a cvsup -g -L2 /standard-supfile and > everything seems to go fine until the end. Absolutely EVERYTHING in the > /usr/src directory is deleted and the cvsup program exits with: disconnecting > from servers. Completed Successfully. The only problem is: it never down > loaded the new sources. Below is the supfile I've been using. (Note: I'm > running FreeBSD 3.4) > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > ____________________standard-supfile listed below______________________ > # Defaults that apply to all the collections > # > # IMPORTANT: Change the next line to use one of the CVSup mirror sites > # listed at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html. > *default host=cvsup.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/usr > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_RELEASE > *default delete use-rel-suffix > > # If your network link is a T1 or faster, comment out the following line. > *default compress > > ## Main Source Tree. > # > # The easiest way to get the main source tree is to use the "src-all" > # mega-collection. It includes all of the individual "src-*" collections, > # except the export-restricted collections. > src-all > > # These are the individual collections that make up "src-all". If you > # use these, be sure to comment out "src-all" above. > #src-base > #src-bin > #src-contrib > #src-etc > #src-games > #src-gnu > #src-include > #src-kerberosIV > #src-lib > #src-libexec > #src-release > #src-sbin > #src-share > #src-sys > #src-tools > #src-usrbin > #src-usrsbin > > ## Export-restricted collections. > # > # Only people in the USA and Canada may fetch these collections. If > # you are not in the USA or Canada, please use the collections in the > # "secure-supfile" instead. > # > # The easiest way to get the export-restricted code is to use the > # "cvs-crypto" mega-collection. > cvs-crypto > # > # These are the individual collections that make up "cvs-crypto". If > # you use these, be sure to comment out "cvs-crypto" above. > #src-crypto > #src-secure > #src-sys-crypto > > ____________________standard-supfile listed above______________________ > > > ---------------------------------- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Jun 26 07:53:47 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts Message-ID: <0FWR00933J15JM@mail1.supervalu.com> http://dcfonline.sfu.ca/ying/linux/truetype/ has a great HOWTO on getting TrueType fonts working under X, at least for web browsing. I find that even with the correct TrueType font available, Netscape sometimes misses it (it still looks better with the default as, say, Arial). However, Mozilla always grabs the right font for me if I make it available to X. (Even weird things like Comic Sans MS). Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Mon Jun 26 09:48:16 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19180] debian: running init scripts from cron Message-ID: <39576D30.D9657047@bgea.org> Hello, I'm sure this is quite the Debian rookie question, but is there some trick to getting an init script to run from cron? I'm running a radius server that needs restarted when the users file is modified, and just rerunning the init script from cron worked fine under Mandrake but fails under Debian. I get the messages from the /etc/init.d/radiusd script that radiusd has been restarted, but the pid on the process has not changed, so I know it wasn't actually done. Running the script manually from root works fine. Am I missing some security related thing here? Let me know if I should post more detail. Thanks. -- John Hawley Network Administrator IT Services // BGEA 612.335.1334 <=> jhawley@bgea.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tre at phayze.com Mon Jun 26 09:48:48 2000 From: tre at phayze.com (Tre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19181] muh ATI RAGE FURY. Message-ID: <29220006126144848231@phayze.com> i got a quick question. i was just wondering if any one was running X w/ a ATI RAGE FURY, cuz i would like to see your conf. because im having a bit of trouble gettin my video card to work correctly. im running a VGA16 server right now, and i grow tired of it :( thanks -Tre efnet as RainMakir _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 10:12:31 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19180] debian: running init scripts from cron References: <39576D30.D9657047@bgea.org> Message-ID: <395772DF.E643B403@tc.umn.edu> John, Is it the same radius server (can you say which one)? If it is a different server altogether it may be possible for radiusd to reread its configuration files without actually stopping and starting the server. If you've confirmed that this is not the case, you may want to call a script to do your restart: /etc/init.d/radiusd stop # sleep 1 /etc/init.d/radiusd start The sleep is probably unnecessary, but it may stop some problems from occurring. HTH Troy John Hawley wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm sure this is quite the Debian rookie question, but is there some > trick to getting an init script to run from cron? I'm running a radius > server that needs restarted when the users file is modified, and just > rerunning the init script from cron worked fine under Mandrake but fails > under Debian. I get the messages from the /etc/init.d/radiusd script > that radiusd has been restarted, but the pid on the process has not > changed, so I know it wasn't actually done. Running the script manually > from root works fine. > > Am I missing some security related thing here? Let me know if I should > post more detail. Thanks. > > -- > John Hawley > Network Administrator > IT Services // BGEA > 612.335.1334 <=> jhawley@bgea.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ ...I'm going to slap the faces right off of your skulls! -- CAJ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From swanberg at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 10:42:14 2000 From: swanberg at tc.umn.edu (Karen A Swanberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients In-Reply-To: <961947525.10745.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Peter Lukas wrote >Universities and non-profit orgs are exempt from the patent and copyright >issues in SSH (and SSH2). >Peter Lukas Er, are you absolutely sure about this? I don't mean to doubt you, but SSH is a frequent topic at the netpeople meetings, and this has never come up. SSH is highly recommended by NTS, but they've been clear in saying that the patented versions are still illegal to use here. If they're incorrect, I'm sure we'd all be thrilled to know we can go with the patented versions and be legal. We do have a site licence for the commercial version (http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/site/list.html) Can you post some links about who's legal to use the patented versions? (sorry for the slow response, I'm on digest...) * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Mon Jun 26 11:39:43 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette Message-ID: I seem to be getting portscans of my network from 166.49.72.158; which, when I nmap, shows up as 'live-split.wtn.rbn.com'. this seems to be one of Real Networks' servers. what's the proper netiquette for alerting some host that they might have been compromised? Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 11:42:38 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette References: Message-ID: <395787FE.361DE55@tc.umn.edu> nmap? Are you scanning them? Or do you mean nslookup? Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I seem to be getting portscans of my network from > 166.49.72.158; which, when I nmap, shows up as > 'live-split.wtn.rbn.com'. this seems to be one of Real Networks' > servers. > > what's the proper netiquette for alerting some host that they might > have been compromised? > > Carl Soderstrom > _________________________________________ > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I had to stop driving my car for a while...the tires got dizzy... -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Mon Jun 26 12:02:31 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette In-Reply-To: <395787FE.361DE55@tc.umn.edu> References: <395787FE.361DE55@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: >nmap? Are you scanning them? Or do you mean nslookup? after I noticed it (using ntop), I took a look back at them with nmap (couldn't remember nslookup -- didn't have it installed on that machine anyway). probably a mediocre idea, I know. I wrote a polite note about it to admin@wtn.rbm.com; hope I guessed the address right. this type of situation is something that ought to be included in various security-HOWTOs. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Mon Jun 26 12:17:48 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19180] debian: running init scripts from cron References: <39576D30.D9657047@bgea.org> <395772DF.E643B403@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3957903C.2B63C9A4@bgea.org> Troy, I'm using 'radiusd-cistron-1.6.3' on both the Mandrake6.0 and the Debian2.2 server that is to be its replacement. This radiusd implementation _does_ need to be restarted (or maybe just reloaded) after a users file change. I simplified on the original post. What I'm actually doing is running a perl script from cron at 5 minute intervals that first does a diff of the users file against a previously saved version and if it detects a change, it then calls the /etc/init.d/radiusd script. I have already tried a 'restart' and a 'stop; ... sleep 2; start' and neither works. The perl script properly detects that the users file has been changed, and it executes the init script; AND I get stdout messages that the service has been stopped and started, but its lying .. the pid has not changed. Everything works as it should when the perl script is executed from the command line instead of from cron. Thats why I'm just wondering if I'm not understanding some Debian policy that is preventing the execution of the radiusd daemon's from cron. -John "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > John, > > Is it the same radius server (can you say which one)? If it is a > different server altogether it may be possible for radiusd to reread its > configuration files without actually stopping and starting the server. > If you've confirmed that this is not the case, you may want to call a > script to do your restart: > > /etc/init.d/radiusd stop > # sleep 1 > /etc/init.d/radiusd start > > The sleep is probably unnecessary, but it may stop some problems from > occurring. > > HTH > > Troy > > John Hawley wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm sure this is quite the Debian rookie question, but is there some > > trick to getting an init script to run from cron? I'm running a radius > > server that needs restarted when the users file is modified, and just > > rerunning the init script from cron worked fine under Mandrake but fails > > under Debian. I get the messages from the /etc/init.d/radiusd script > > that radiusd has been restarted, but the pid on the process has not > > changed, so I know it wasn't actually done. Running the script manually > > from root works fine. > > > > Am I missing some security related thing here? Let me know if I should > > post more detail. Thanks. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 12:27:46 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19180] debian: running init scripts from cron References: <39576D30.D9657047@bgea.org> <395772DF.E643B403@tc.umn.edu> <3957903C.2B63C9A4@bgea.org> Message-ID: <39579292.EC91B6D8@tc.umn.edu> John, Much clearer picture, but unfortunately it reveals that I am not the person with the answer (sorry). The only troubleshooting hints I can give is to examine the "lying" script carefully and the tests it uses to determine successful execution, and possibly dumping the environment from the perl script to see if that reveals any clue. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, Troy P.S. - What do you think of this radius server? Is it good/bad/ugly? Just curious. John Hawley wrote: > > Troy, > > I'm using 'radiusd-cistron-1.6.3' on both the Mandrake6.0 and the Debian2.2 > server that is to be its replacement. This radiusd implementation _does_ > need to be restarted (or maybe just reloaded) after a users file change. > > I simplified on the original post. What I'm actually doing is running a perl > script from cron at 5 minute intervals that first does a diff of the users > file against a previously saved version and if it detects a change, it then > calls the /etc/init.d/radiusd script. I have already tried a 'restart' and a > 'stop; ... sleep 2; start' and neither works. The perl script properly > detects that the users file has been changed, and it executes the init > script; AND I get stdout messages that the service has been stopped and > started, but its lying .. the pid has not changed. Everything works as it > should when the perl script is executed from the command line instead of > from cron. > > Thats why I'm just wondering if I'm not understanding some Debian policy that > is preventing the execution of the radiusd daemon's from cron. > > -John > > "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > > > John, > > > > Is it the same radius server (can you say which one)? If it is a > > different server altogether it may be possible for radiusd to reread its > > configuration files without actually stopping and starting the server. > > If you've confirmed that this is not the case, you may want to call a > > script to do your restart: > > > > /etc/init.d/radiusd stop > > # sleep 1 > > /etc/init.d/radiusd start > > > > The sleep is probably unnecessary, but it may stop some problems from > > occurring. > > > > HTH > > > > Troy > > > > John Hawley wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm sure this is quite the Debian rookie question, but is there some > > > trick to getting an init script to run from cron? I'm running a radius > > > server that needs restarted when the users file is modified, and just > > > rerunning the init script from cron worked fine under Mandrake but fails > > > under Debian. I get the messages from the /etc/init.d/radiusd script > > > that radiusd has been restarted, but the pid on the process has not > > > changed, so I know it wasn't actually done. Running the script manually > > > from root works fine. > > > > > > Am I missing some security related thing here? Let me know if I should > > > post more detail. Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ The two pillars of `political correctness' are, a) willful ignorance, and b) a steadfast refusal to face the truth -- George MacDonald Fraser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Mon Jun 26 12:46:32 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette In-Reply-To: ; from carls@agritech.com on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 12:02:31PM -0500 References: <395787FE.361DE55@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000626124632.A1268@athena.sistina.com> On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 12:02:31PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >>nmap? Are you scanning them? Or do you mean nslookup? > >after I noticed it (using ntop), I took a look back at them with nmap >(couldn't remember nslookup -- didn't have it installed on that >machine anyway). probably a mediocre idea, I know. You could have run a stealth scan -S i think. That may not even show up in the logs. > >I wrote a polite note about it to admin@wtn.rbm.com; hope I guessed >the address right. > Yes. I think winnt mail servers have default aliases to admin and administrator. if it's a linux box you can do root@foo.bar too. >this type of situation is something that ought to be included in >various security-HOWTOs. Good idea. You could write it up and submit it to the maintainers of said how-to as a proposal. I am sure the LUG'ers would be glad to submit ideas. I know I would. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Jun 26 13:53:22 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would normaly contact the 2nd level domain admin.. using the whois information, or I look to the their 2nd level domain web page, to see if there are any contact phone numbers, or email's for such thing.. also abuse@2ndlevel.dom is also common for ISP's Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I seem to be getting portscans of my network from > 166.49.72.158; which, when I nmap, shows up as > 'live-split.wtn.rbn.com'. this seems to be one of Real Networks' > servers. > > what's the proper netiquette for alerting some host that they might > have been compromised? > > Carl Soderstrom > _________________________________________ > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Jun 26 16:21:34 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19191] OpenLinux on T20 Message-ID: <000501bfdfb4$833d6750$1000a8c0@cschumann> It looks like IBM is actually taking orders for a ThinkPad T20 pre-loaded with Linux: 2647-L1U $4099 PIII 750 128M 20G 14.1T LNX The prices seems kind of outrageous, since the 92U is the same price, and has Windows 2000 and a DVD drive, but at least it's there. No Windows tax, but you pay for (I guess) the loss of economies of scale. Who's gonna buy one? Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Jun 26 17:54:44 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms Message-ID: Hey everyone, Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other text? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 26 18:03:17 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a > one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. > Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other > text? The only way to do this is by using the GET method. Then you can append the variables and their values on to the end of the link: Here's a link There is a limit to the amount of information that can be transmitted this way. It is server-dependant, and I have *never* seen hard figures. There is no way to submit a POSTed form by clicking on a link -- which in my opinion, is one of the main problems with maintaining state on the web. Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Jun 26 18:09:35 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > The only way to do this is by using the GET method. Then you can append > the variables and their values on to the end of the link: > > Here's > a link You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. It works perfectly. Thanks. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhallgren at abaton.com Mon Jun 26 18:41:31 2000 From: jhallgren at abaton.com (Jeff Hallgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms References: Message-ID: <3957EA2B.37A55012@abaton.com> another way to do it is to use a javascript url like this: Click Here or to invoke a javascript function that does pretty much the same thing.. Click There jeff Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a > one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. > Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other > text? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jun 26 19:16:03 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette References: <395787FE.361DE55@tc.umn.edu> <20000626124632.A1268@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3957F243.14A0D900@tcfreenet.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 12:02:31PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >>nmap? Are you scanning them? Or do you mean nslookup? > > > >after I noticed it (using ntop), I took a look back at them with nmap > >(couldn't remember nslookup -- didn't have it installed on that > >machine anyway). probably a mediocre idea, I know. > > You could have run a stealth scan -S i think. That may not even show up in the > logs. Shows up in mine... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Mon Jun 26 19:10:21 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms In-Reply-To: <3957EA2B.37A55012@abaton.com> Message-ID: You are correct, but this method will not work with non-Javascript enabled browsers. Safe for Windows, but a bad assumption on Linux. Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Jeff Hallgren wrote: > another way to do it is to use a javascript url like this: > Click Here > > or to invoke a javascript function that does pretty much the same > thing.. > Click There > > jeff > > > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a > > one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. > > Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other > > text? > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Mon Jun 26 20:35:18 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19184] compromised host netiquette In-Reply-To: <3957F243.14A0D900@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:16:03PM -0500 References: <395787FE.361DE55@tc.umn.edu> <20000626124632.A1268@athena.sistina.com> <3957F243.14A0D900@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000626203518.E3376@athena.sistina.com> On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:16:03PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >Shows up in mine... depends on the box and how agressively it logs. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhallgren at abaton.com Mon Jun 26 20:58:50 2000 From: jhallgren at abaton.com (Jeff Hallgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms References: Message-ID: <39580A5A.D45C64D0@abaton.com> Yeah... lynx doesn't do javascript urls, I guess having javascript is a really bad assumption. The other problem is that you don't know the contents of a form element before the user fills it in so you can't contruct the proper query string ahead of time. You have to use javascript at some point. Unless you don't actually have any form elements and then you don't need a form in the first place. Works in Netscape & Mozilla, should work in Opera with EcmaScript 1.1 (but I didn't try it cuz it kept crashing on start up). jeff Daniel Taylor wrote: > > You are correct, but this method will not work with non-Javascript enabled > browsers. Safe for Windows, but a bad assumption on Linux. > > Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, > dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Jeff Hallgren wrote: > > > another way to do it is to use a javascript url like this: > > Click Here > > > > or to invoke a javascript function that does pretty much the same > > thing.. > > Click There > > > > jeff > > > > > > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a > > > one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. > > > Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other > > > text? > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > -- > > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Mon Jun 26 21:08:50 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms References: Message-ID: <39580CB2.74F4B341@maddog.mn-linux.org> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a > one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. > Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other > text? > > -Tim You can always make your submit button an image. That way you can make it non-clunky. ;-) -- Clay Fandre Twin Cities Linux Users Group http://www.mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Mon Jun 26 22:05:26 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (Tim Neu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19201] source quench message in syslog In-Reply-To: <39580A5A.D45C64D0@abaton.com> Message-ID: Anyone know what this means? (Names changed to protect the innocent!) Jun 26 14:31:39 myhostname icmplogd: source quench from someotherhost.mydomain.com [IP.IP.IP.IP] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ A source quench is a control packet that a host sends another host to say, "Transmit the data slower." It's sent to reduce congestion. Cheers, Jeff > Anyone know what this means? > (Names changed to protect the innocent!) > > Jun 26 14:31:39 myhostname icmplogd: source quench from > someotherhost.mydomain.com [IP.IP.IP.IP] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jun 26 23:27:07 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19201] source quench message in syslog In-Reply-To: ; from teuobk@ringworld.org on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 11:12:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000626232707.D12387@ringworld.org> * Jeff Keacher [000626 23:12]: > A source quench is a control packet that a host sends another host to say, > "Transmit the data slower." It's sent to reduce congestion. > > Jun 26 14:31:39 myhostname icmplogd: source quench from > > someotherhost.mydomain.com [IP.IP.IP.IP] Yeah. the routers usually going about this when you start to pack 800kbit/sec and 300-800packets/sec sometimes probally. "Uh, could you slow down, pluha-eezzzzee?" -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Jun 27 07:05:51 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (Tim Neu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19201] source quench message in syslog In-Reply-To: <20000626232707.D12387@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Jeff Keacher [000626 23:12]: > > A source quench is a control packet that a host sends another host to say, > > "Transmit the data slower." It's sent to reduce congestion. > > > Jun 26 14:31:39 myhostname icmplogd: source quench from > > > someotherhost.mydomain.com [IP.IP.IP.IP] > > Yeah. the routers usually going about this when you start to pack > 800kbit/sec and 300-800packets/sec sometimes probally. > > "Uh, could you slow down, pluha-eezzzzee?" Huh... The box that is getting the messages is more or less idle. The message is coming from a firewall machine. I wonder if it is misconfigured - or getting the crap beat out of it from other machines... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Issuing `startx' I get the following error: _XSERVTransSocketINETCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running Fatal Server error: Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running When reporting... _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 giving up xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unableto connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. Does anyone know what this error is? The box in question is Redhat 6.1 kernel 2.2.12-20. I am using 3.3.6? version of XFree86(whichever came stock with RH 6.1) and the XFCom_Rage128 for my Xpert99 card. All of this was working fine for ~7 months. I have tried upgrading to 4.0, which did not work, and then I removed and reinstalled everything and still I have the same problem. The last time X worked properly was right before some scheduled downtime in our office. I tweaked IPchains and created a startup script for it and netsaint, rebooted a couple of times to make sure the scripts worked and then shutdown the box. My boss rebooted it and, after two days, I came in tried to log in and received this error. I have checked for a lockfile in /tmp and there are none. Nmap shows port 6000 is open and listening. I have Abacus' portsentry running but X had been working correctly with portsentry before this problem occured(my config has not changed and 6000 is not one of the monitored ports). I have configured IPchains and X was working properly with IPchains initially but i think that, given the error messages I am getting, it is the most likely culprit. Does anyone have a sample config for IPchains rules which works successfully with X? What i thought should work was: accept tcp from anywhere to localhost port 6000 I also tried: accept tcp and udp from anywhere to localhost on ports 5999:6003 (do i need a rule for xfs?) I guess the query is two fold: Is IPchains giving me this error? and What is the ideal setup for X ports in IPchains if X is only going to be used from the local machine and if it is going to be availble to anyone? Thanks ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Tue Jun 27 12:08:14 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:38:34AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000627120814.B923@athena.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:38:34AM -0500, mjn wrote: > >What i thought should work was: > >accept tcp from anywhere to localhost port 6000 > >I also tried: > >accept tcp and udp from anywhere to localhost on ports 5999:6003 > >(do i need a rule for xfs?) > Maybe the pid file in /var/run is still there. I have seen where an app didn't clean up after itself and as a result couldn't start. DHCPD did this to me once. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 12:11:42 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: <20000627120814.B923@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Maybe the pid file in /var/run is still there. I have seen where an app didn't > clean up after itself and as a result couldn't start. DHCPD did this to me > once. > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > Nothing in /var/run. In case it wasn't clear from my first post, I did mention rebooting, there are no X procs in ps. Later :) ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Tue Jun 27 12:16:34 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:11:42PM -0500 References: <20000627120814.B923@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20000627121634.D923@athena.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:11:42PM -0500, mjn wrote: >On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >Nothing in /var/run. > >In case it wasn't clear from my first post, I did mention rebooting, there >are no X procs in ps. > Hmmm. also check the tmp dir. did this happen spontaneously or after you set up ipchains? (I didn't read your first mail very well :-) what happens when you do startx as root? -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 12:23:43 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: <20000627121634.D923@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Hmmm. also check the tmp dir. did this happen spontaneously or after you set > up ipchains? (I didn't read your first mail very well :-) Yea did that. There was something about that in my first email... :) > what happens when you do startx as root? Exact same problem when doing startx as root. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 12:27:39 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... References: Message-ID: <3958E40B.735AB787@tc.umn.edu> Have you tried 'startx' with portsentry shutdown and ipchains off (rules dumped and default policy accept)? mjn wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > Hmmm. also check the tmp dir. did this happen spontaneously or after you set > > up ipchains? (I didn't read your first mail very well :-) > > Yea did that. There was something about that in my first email... :) > > > what happens when you do startx as root? > > Exact same problem when doing startx as root. > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu > Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ The same applies for other kinds of long-lasting low-level pain. [...] The body's response to being jabbed, pierced, and cut is to produce endorphins. [...] So here's my programme for breaking that cycle of dependency on Windows: get left arm tattooed with dragon motif, buy a crate of Jamaican Hot! Pepper Sauce, get nipples pierced. With any luck that will produce enough endorphins to make Windows completely redundant, and I can then upgrade to Linux and get on with things. -- Pieter Hintjens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bexley at daily.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 13:08:21 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> Hi I just installed Debain (Slink) on an old 133 I've got, and while going about locking it down I noticed that the kernel is version 2.0.36. Is this normal for a Slink install, or did I really screw something up? I did do a custom ftp install, so it's pretty possible I missed something since it's my first Debian install. Basically I noticed this when ipchains wasn't very happy, which is the main reason I'd like to have a 2.1.x kernel. Not that I can't work with ipfw I guess... Anyone have any insight? Thanks! Ben P.S. apt-get is pretty darn cool :) ----- Benjamin Exley Senior Systems Analyst Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 13:18:07 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Benjamin Exley wrote: > Hi > > I just installed Debain (Slink) on an old 133 I've got, and while going > about locking it down I noticed that the kernel is version 2.0.36. Is > this normal for a Slink install, or did I really screw something up? I > did do a custom ftp install, so it's pretty possible I missed > something since it's my first Debian install. This is the default for Debian. They go for super-stability. You'll have to upgrade to their new one, potato for the newer kernel. Or you can just download a newer kernel and recompile. It's not too bad. Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Tue Jun 27 13:20:02 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu>; from bexley@daily.umn.edu on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:08:21PM -0500 References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:08:21PM -0500, Benjamin Exley wrote: >Hi > >I just installed Debain (Slink) on an old 133 I've got, and while going >about locking it down I noticed that the kernel is version 2.0.36. Is >this normal for a Slink install, or did I really screw something up? I Yes. It's normal. read up on apt-get upgrade. If this is a production box, you can't go wrong with frozen. >did do a custom ftp install, so it's pretty possible I missed >something since it's my first Debian install. > >Basically I noticed this when ipchains wasn't very happy, which is >the main reason I'd like to have a 2.1.x kernel. Not that I can't work >with ipfw I guess... you can always download a newer kernel and build it yourself. frozen can handle a 2.4 kernel (not sure about ppp dependencies as I don't use ppp) > >Anyone have any insight? > >Thanks! > >Ben > >P.S. apt-get is pretty darn cool :) >----- >Benjamin Exley >Senior Systems Analyst >Minnesota Daily >bexley@daily.umn.edu > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From swanberg at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 14:11:54 2000 From: swanberg at tc.umn.edu (Karen A Swanberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, after doing some searching, and after significant help from friends, I found the skinny on all of this. Prior to this year, according to a friend: "Disclaimer...I'm no lawyer. Contact one for a definitive answer. The issues with ssh/ssh2 are all about patents on some of the algorithms used by the servers and clients. The patents are/were held by some combination of RSA, and the couple of folks that worked for RSA (namely, the R and S, I believe). RSA was kind enough to release a programming toolkit called RSAREF that was licensed such that individuals and non-profit organizations could use it for free. However, commercial entities were expected to buy (for a large sum of money) a commerical toolkit (called BSAFE, I think). Patents are tricky business, though. If you are an individual or non-profit entitiy residing in a juristiction covered by US pataent law, you can only run RSA patented routines from the RSAREF toolikt. You cannot, for example, run the freely available and more efficient international, indepentantly written routines as that violates the RSA patent (this goes for OpenSSH too, BTW...if you live in a US patent juristiction, you need to use RSAREF libs even with OpenSSH2)." But in March (and I had completely missed this), in response to the DDOS attacks, "SSH and SANS have granted every accredited university in the United States an unlimited, no-cost license for use of encryption software [secure shell 2.1] that eliminates clear-text transmission and provides encrypted file transfer." (from http://www.ssh.com/about/press/release01032000.html and http://www.ssh.com/products/ssh/universities.html) Sorry, Peter, you were obviously right. Hey, cool, I'm happy to be completely wrong on this one! -Karen On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > Peter Lukas wrote > >Universities and non-profit orgs are exempt from the patent and copyright > >issues in SSH (and SSH2). > > >Peter Lukas > > Er, are you absolutely sure about this? I don't mean to doubt you, but SSH > is a frequent topic at the netpeople meetings, and this has never come up. > SSH is highly recommended by NTS, but they've been clear in saying that > the patented versions are still illegal to use here. If they're incorrect, > I'm sure we'd all be thrilled to know we can go with the patented versions > and be legal. We do have a site licence for the commercial version > (http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/site/list.html) > > Can you post some links about who's legal to use the patented versions? > > (sorry for the slow response, I'm on digest...) > > * * > Karen Swanberg | > Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- > Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) > 206 Pillsbury Hall | > 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | > University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime > Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... > (612) 624-6541 | > * * > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 19:13:47 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... References: Message-ID: <3959433B.BE7AAC63@tc.umn.edu> mjn wrote: > > Issuing `startx' I get the following error: > > _XSERVTransSocketINETCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed > _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running > > Fatal Server error: > Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't > already running > > When reporting... > > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > giving up > xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unableto connect to X server > xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. > [snip] > > I have configured IPchains and X was working properly with IPchains > initially but i think that, given the error messages I am getting, it is > the most likely culprit. Does anyone have a sample config for IPchains > rules which works successfully with X? well, you may have not excluded localhost from the blocking rules. You should try running `telnet localhost 6000' when you have an X server running -- if it connects, the port is open, and you should look elsewhere to fix the problem. If the problem _is_ IPChains, you should probably look at the packet counters to see where they are getting rejected. The counters can be seen by running `ipchains -L -v' > What i thought should work was: > > accept tcp from anywhere to localhost port 6000 > > I also tried: > > accept tcp and udp from anywhere to localhost on ports 5999:6003 > > (do i need a rule for xfs?) I think xfs uses Unix sockets, but I can't remember off the top of my head.. > I guess the query is two fold: Is IPchains giving me this error? > > and > > What is the ideal setup for X ports in IPchains if X is only going to be > used from the local machine and if it is going to be availble to anyone? I prefer to block ports that I know are open by creating a rule with a command like ipchains -I input -p tcp -s \! 127.0.0.1 --dport -j REJECT ..instead of doing a total block of the input chain. if you want, you can use this as a configuration file (load it with something like `ipchains-restore < ipchains.conf'): :input ACCEPT :forward DENY :output ACCEPT -A input -s ! 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 25:25 -p 6 -j REJECT -l -A input -s ! 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 143:143 -p 6 -j REJECT -l -A input -s ! 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 515:515 -p 6 -j REJECT -l -A input -s ! 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 -p 6 -l -y -A input -s ! 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 8:8 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 -p 1 -l (beware of line wrapping..) It logs ICMP echo-requests, SYNs, and blocks and logs SMTP, IMAP, and the port the printer daemon listens on. random sidenote -- I saw today what may be a reason we write `daemon' in Unix (but I'm probably wrong). If you translate from German, or another language with umlauts, it's customary to do `ae' instead of `?' (`ä' in HTML), `oe' instead of `?', etc. So, d?mon -> daemon. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: MentalPlex(tm) has / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ determined that this is \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) not your final answer. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Tue Jun 27 20:00:51 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: <3959433B.BE7AAC63@tc.umn.edu>; from Mike Hicks on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 07:13:47PM -0500 References: <3959433B.BE7AAC63@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000627200051.B12588@ravendusk.org> On Jun 27, 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > random sidenote -- I saw today what may be a reason we write `daemon' in > Unix (but I'm probably wrong). If you translate from German, or another > language with umlauts, it's customary to do `ae' instead of `?' > (`ä' in HTML), `oe' instead of `?', etc. So, d?mon -> daemon. A quick perusal of dictionary.com debunks this theory: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=daemon [Middle English from Late Latin daemon, from Latin spirit, from Greek daimon, divine power; see da in Indo-European Roots.] NOTE: It's missing a bit of markup, particularly the "a" and "o" with a bar over it (see the web page). (c: John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 20:49:30 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? Message-ID: Hi All, My boss and I are writing an article for publication about the database backed website we made [1]. For this article, I'd like to create some diagrams of the data model and the server setup and things like that. I could do it in Photoshop or xfig, but I'm not real big on graphics anymore and don't really *want* to. I've heard about a program for Gnome called Dia (http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/dia.shtml and http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/dia.html) which seeks to emulate the functionality of the $$$ data modeling program for Windows, Visio (http://www.microsoft.com/office/visio/) which is now owned by Microsoft and part of the Office suite. Does anyone have any exprience with either of these programs (esp. Dia, because Visio costs a lot of money, so it's doubtful I could get it)? I need a compelling reason to get my boss to pursuade the IT support people to let me switch to Linux on my desktop. This *might* be it! Thanks for any input, Luke [1] I work for the University of Minnesota Libraries, www.lib.umn.edu if your curious. It's nothing special from a .com standpoint, but radical from a library standpoint. And no, going to 800x600 was NOT my idea. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Tue Jun 27 21:15:15 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms In-Reply-To: <39580A5A.D45C64D0@abaton.com> Message-ID: Uh, that is what POST and GET are for. Straight HTML. I like Clay's idea of throwing an image over the button, that can really clean up the look of a page (check NASDAQ for a sample of a page that does it that way). Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Jeff Hallgren wrote: > Yeah... lynx doesn't do javascript urls, I guess having javascript is a > really bad assumption. > The other problem is that you don't know the contents of a form element > before the user fills it in so you can't contruct the proper query > string ahead of time. You have to use javascript at some point. Unless > you don't actually have any form elements and then you don't need a form > in the first place. > Works in Netscape & Mozilla, should work in Opera with EcmaScript 1.1 > (but I didn't try it cuz it kept crashing on start up). > > jeff > > Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > > You are correct, but this method will not work with non-Javascript enabled > > browsers. Safe for Windows, but a bad assumption on Linux. > > > > Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, > > dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! > > > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Jeff Hallgren wrote: > > > > > another way to do it is to use a javascript url like this: > > > Click Here > > > > > > or to invoke a javascript function that does pretty much the same > > > thing.. > > > Click There > > > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > > > Is there a way to make an HTML form look like a normal link? I have a > > > > one-button, no input "form," but I don't want the clunky "Submit" button. > > > > Alternatively, is there a way to put the submit button in-line with other > > > > text? > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 27 21:36:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19219] wu-ftpd-2.6.0-14.6x Message-ID: <20000627213618.D31723@real-time.com> After upgrading to wu-ftpd-2.6.0-14.6x, all the uid of the files are now, just that uids. ~ftp/etc/passwd has all the right stuff, ~ftp/lib has all the libraries, but still I get the uids. I remember reading about how to fix this, but I cannot remember where. Here is what I have in ~ftp/lib: ld-2.1.1.so libc-2.1.1.so libnsl-2.1.1.so libnss_files-2.1.1.so ld-linux.so.2 libc.so.6 libnsl.so.1 libnss_files.so.2 Anyone else I need? Funny thing is that my ~ftp is non-standard, so the update would not know it is even there, so I am pretty sure things did not get overwritten in the update. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jun 27 22:04:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > Does anyone have any exprience with either of these programs (esp. Dia, > because Visio costs a lot of money, so it's doubtful I could get it)? I Well, Dia does work, but is really, really far from scaring Visio off. That said, I have used Dia to create complete, well, simple network diagrams. It is a bit annoying, but usable - and free! DL and try it. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Jun 27 22:09:16 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Luke Francl's message of "Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:49:30 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Luke Francl writes: > Hi All, > > My boss and I are writing an article for publication about the database > backed website we made [1]. For this article, I'd like to create some > diagrams of the data model and the server setup and things like that. I > could do it in Photoshop or xfig, but I'm not real big on graphics anymore > and don't really *want* to. > > I've heard about a program for Gnome called Dia > (http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/dia.shtml and > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/dia.html) which seeks to emulate the > functionality of the $$$ data modeling program for Windows, Visio > (http://www.microsoft.com/office/visio/) which is now owned by Microsoft > and part of the Office suite. > > Does anyone have any exprience with either of these programs (esp. Dia, > because Visio costs a lot of money, so it's doubtful I could get it)? I > need a compelling reason to get my boss to pursuade the IT support people > to let me switch to Linux on my desktop. This *might* be it! > You might want to look at DoME too, http://www.htc.honeywell.com/dome. I work for Honeywell so I hear a lot about it. I've used it for some applications too. Decent modeling environment. Lots of different diagrams to choose from. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe schewe@tcfreenet.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 22:07:46 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Yaron wrote: > Well, Dia does work, but is really, really far from scaring Visio > off. That said, I have used Dia to create complete, well, simple network > diagrams. It is a bit annoying, but usable - and free! Hmm. That's probably good enough. I just need to generate some simple database entity relationship diagrams. > DL and try it. I'll have to try it when I get home. I discovered there is a windows version and I downloaded that, but it didn't work at all, so I'm back to Linux, I guess :) Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 22:08:32 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19192] [OT] snazzy HTML forms References: Message-ID: <39596C30.57FEC434@tc.umn.edu> Daniel Taylor wrote: > > Uh, that is what POST and GET are for. Straight HTML. > I like Clay's idea of throwing an image over the button, that > can really clean up the look of a page (check NASDAQ for a sample > of a page that does it that way). You can also attempt some sort of user-agent detection. I'm not sure if Netscape says it will accept javascript even when it isn't enabled, but you could at least be able to turn off javascript for people who are using anything other than a `known' browser. (of course, there are those people who hack Lynx to tell the server that it's actually Netscape or IE, but they're weird ;-) There's a fair amount of information that gets passed back and forth during a normal HTTP GET/POST operation.. The trick is just figuring out how to read that information... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Oxymoron: Bosnian / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cease-Fire \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 27 22:11:57 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19224] anonymous ftp in general Message-ID: <20000627221157.F31723@real-time.com> Weird, I can remove the ls from ~ftp/bin and still I can get a directory listing. That shouldn't be possible should it? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 27 22:12:54 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Jun 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > You might want to look at DoME too, http://www.htc.honeywell.com/dome. I work > for Honeywell so I hear a lot about it. I've used it for some applications > too. Decent modeling environment. Lots of different diagrams to choose from. Ooh, this looks promising. Thanks for the link. Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Jun 27 22:41:38 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Luke Francl's message of "Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:12:54 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Luke Francl writes: > On 27 Jun 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > You might want to look at DoME too, http://www.htc.honeywell.com/dome. I work > > for Honeywell so I hear a lot about it. I've used it for some applications > > too. Decent modeling environment. Lots of different diagrams to choose from. > > Ooh, this looks promising. Thanks for the link. We've currently got some libc versioning problems so it doesn't like to run under the new libcs for some reason. If anyone can fix this, please send mail. We'd love to have this fixed, but haven't had much time do to lack of funds for hte project. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe schewe@tcfreenet.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at cfsmo.honeywell.com Wed Jun 28 07:45:28 2000 From: cfandre at cfsmo.honeywell.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19227] [Fwd: Linux Questions/ Strictly eBusiness] Message-ID: <3959F368.F22B52F6@cfsmo.honeywell.com> Michelle Kohn wrote: > > Clay, > Myself and Angie Ness were wondering if you had any recommendations of Linux > User's Groups that we should contact in the Houston, TX area? We have > several to chose from, but would like your suggestion. > > Also, I'm looking for some statistics on the growing interest level of Linux > to use in our promotions. Do you have access to any of the information? > I've look up a few websites and haven't had much luck finding actual %'s or > #'s that reflect the growing interest/sales, etc. > > Thought maybe you could help... > > Thank-you and Sincerely, > Michelle Kohn > Cygnus Expositions/ Formerly Champion Productions > 801 E. Cliff Road #201 > Burnsville, MN 55337-1534 > 800.827.8009 ext. 3344 Phone > 612.894.8252 Fax > www.strictlybusinessexpo.com Can anyone help them out? Anyone from Texas? -- Clay Fandre UNIX System Administrator Honeywell, Intl. / CAP cfandre@cfsmo.honeywell.com (763)957-3678 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 08:16:51 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> You did it right - Debian is taking its own sweet time coming out with Potato. Too bad too, because by the time it is out - everybody is going to want to go to the 2.4 kernel and they will be behind again. If history can be used to judge the future - they will be behind for over 1 year - when they will probably be behind again :) In the end - I see the only people using Debian are the gear-heads who are apt fans. Make way for Corel and Storm - the debian descendants. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Exley To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19211] debian install > Hi > > I just installed Debain (Slink) on an old 133 I've got, and while going > about locking it down I noticed that the kernel is version 2.0.36. Is > this normal for a Slink install, or did I really screw something up? I > did do a custom ftp install, so it's pretty possible I missed > something since it's my first Debian install. > > Basically I noticed this when ipchains wasn't very happy, which is > the main reason I'd like to have a 2.1.x kernel. Not that I can't work > with ipfw I guess... > > Anyone have any insight? > > Thanks! > > Ben > > P.S. apt-get is pretty darn cool :) > ----- > Benjamin Exley > Senior Systems Analyst > Minnesota Daily > bexley@daily.umn.edu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 08:18:04 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> > Yes. It's normal. read up on apt-get upgrade. If this is a production box, you > can't go wrong with frozen. > Exactly - which is exactly why they should release it before they are behind a kernel version (in their release distro) yet again. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jun 28 08:23:34 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:16:51AM -0500 References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000628082334.I12387@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [000628 08:17]: > want to go to the 2.4 kernel and they will be behind again. If history can Hint: Being 'behind' isn't allways bad. Debian 'stable' boxes taht I have setup are the most amazingly so. They have been tested to death and everything works nicely. I would feel ok setting up a debian stable box and then leaving it loose forever to some end users with minimal issues. Thats the difference. The fact that mandrake is putting x4.0 and stuff like reiserfs in there is neat for marketing, but in reality, its not usually needed but by the techies, who can figure it out on their own. Im really waiting for 4.0.1 XFree. ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at cfsmo.honeywell.com Wed Jun 28 08:38:22 2000 From: cfandre at cfsmo.honeywell.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628082334.I12387@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3959FFCE.D8982BF3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> Scott Dier wrote: > > Hint: Being 'behind' isn't allways bad. > > Debian 'stable' boxes taht I have setup are the most amazingly so. They > have been tested to death and everything works nicely. I would feel ok > setting up a debian stable box and then leaving it loose forever to some > end users with minimal issues. > > Thats the difference. > > The fact that mandrake is putting x4.0 and stuff like reiserfs in there > is neat for marketing, but in reality, its not usually needed but by the > techies, who can figure it out on their own. > > Im really waiting for 4.0.1 XFree. ;) > I agree. Putting a lot of 'bleading edge' software in a distro will have a negative impact on Linux. We all know how stable Linux can be, but if 'boxed versions' are full bugs or aren't stable, we are becoming as bad as the boys in Redmond. -- Clay Fandre UNIX System Administrator Honeywell, Intl. / CAP cfandre@cfsmo.honeywell.com (763)957-3678 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 08:46:29 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000628084629.00a1f800@g-swan.email.umn.edu> >[1] I work for the University of Minnesota Libraries, www.lib.umn.edu if >your curious. It's nothing special from a .com standpoint, but radical >from a library standpoint. And no, going to 800x600 was NOT my idea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think you mean for ***THIS*** library, Luke.... (don't you???) If you haven't already found it... ("your boss" might be able to tell you more ;-) take a look at "oss4lib" (http://www.oss4lib.org). gs gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Wed Jun 28 08:47:10 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:16:51AM -0500 References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000628084710.A6305@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:16:51AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >In the end - I see the only people using Debian are the gear-heads who are >apt fans. Make way for Corel and Storm - the debian descendants. What's a gear head? Umm, aren't Corel and Storm based on the current stable dist? Last time I tried either of them, they were a debian core with a bunch of garbage and a crappy install (by that I mean no control) And storms front end for apt was clunky and unpredictable at best. On the same note, everyone I know that runs debian, runs theunstable branch. I run frozen on our production boxes here at sistina. Debian isn't going anywhere man. It's the most popular dist among real linux enthusiasts and power users, and truth be told has by far and away the best packaging system. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Wed Jun 28 08:48:54 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:18:04AM -0500 References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:18:04AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >Exactly - which is exactly why they should release it before they are behind >a kernel version (in their release distro) yet again. Behind a kernel version? How hard is it to download a new kernel? The kernel does not make the dist. You can get that anywhere. What makes a dist are the packages that are available, how they're packaged and how stable they are. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Wed Jun 28 08:52:37 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <20000628082334.I12387@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:23:34AM -0500 References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628082334.I12387@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000628085237.C6305@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:23:34AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >Hint: Being 'behind' isn't allways bad. Amen. > >Debian 'stable' boxes taht I have setup are the most amazingly so. They >have been tested to death and everything works nicely. I would feel ok >setting up a debian stable box and then leaving it loose forever to some >end users with minimal issues. > Umm, well yeah. Due in no small part to the individuals who a.) maintain the packages b.) install and maintain the box(es) >Thats the difference. > >The fact that mandrake is putting x4.0 and stuff like reiserfs in there >is neat for marketing, but in reality, its not usually needed but by the >techies, who can figure it out on their own. > >Im really waiting for 4.0.1 XFree. ;) > Once they get done with the all the upstream patches etc. it may be worth a look. 3.3.6 works great for for now (though I would like a GeForce) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 09:08:44 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Why buy the CD at all? Most "popular" linux users, won't be downloading and installing a new kernel right away - and they certainly want to see what they hype is about. They won't get to with Debian 2.1. The latest software needs glibc-2.1.x (i.e. java2), Star Office, etc. I am on your side - I like Debian, I just think that they shouldn't be quite so anal about their release - or put more work into testing [ a little faster ]. Maybe a BSD like release schedule would be better for them. Release the 2.2 as 3.0 and let it be used as a general release and wide spread testing and the little bug reports will come in nicely for the 3.1 Stable release (yes, I know this is controversial in the BSD world as well). After all, they are developing a new branch and they haven't even released the frozen one. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Lutgens To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install > On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:18:04AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > >Exactly - which is exactly why they should release it before they are behind > >a kernel version (in their release distro) yet again. > > Behind a kernel version? How hard is it to download a new kernel? The kernel > does not make the dist. You can get that anywhere. What makes a dist are the > packages that are available, how they're packaged and how stable they are. > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 09:11:03 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084710.A6305@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <00f401bfe10a$b28beb60$dd29680a@tgt.com> > >In the end - I see the only people using Debian are the gear-heads who are > >apt fans. Make way for Corel and Storm - the debian descendants. > > What's a gear head? Umm, aren't Corel and Storm based on the current stable > dist? Last time I tried either of them, they were a debian core with a bunch > of garbage and a crappy install (by that I mean no control) And storms front > end for apt was clunky and unpredictable at best. > > On the same note, everyone I know that runs debian, runs theunstable branch. I > run frozen on our production boxes here at sistina. > > Debian isn't going anywhere man. It's the most popular dist among real linux > enthusiasts and power users, and truth be told has by far and away the best packaging system. I didn't say it was going anywhere. Slackware is also quite popular among gear heads, but it is slowly slipping away (nobody is partnering with them :). I personally don't like any of them that well (debian and slackware are the best though), so I have built my own distro. It is running on my development box now - but when it is finished and I have some reasonable way to install it (clunky boot disk with reiserfs and tar -> chroot right now) I will put it on my server to replace my BSD box. Ah - Corel and/or Storm support glibc-2.1.x and the 2.2 kernels - so I don't think they are based upon Debian stable. I was not advocating those distros - just saying that general public support of Debian will wane with these out there (if they live up to the hipe). A gear head is just what you mentioned - a power user - somebody who tinkers with the OS. BTW - just running apt-get doesn't make the system a heck of a lot different than installing an RPM - other than you didn't have to go find it. Sort of like the port system on FreeBSD but binary based (instead of source based - which I prefer). Essentially, everyone on this list is a gearhead, which is why Debian is so popular on this list. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.ent > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Wed Jun 28 09:15:07 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:08:44AM -0500 References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000628091507.G6305@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:08:44AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >Why buy the CD at all? Most "popular" linux users, won't be downloading and >installing a new kernel right away - and they certainly want to see what >they hype is about. They won't get to with Debian 2.1. The latest software >needs glibc-2.1.x (i.e. java2), Star Office, etc. {blutgens@athena}-{~/.desktop} $ ls -l /lib/libc-* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 888596 May 1 13:26 /lib/libc-2.1.3.so hmmm. Like I said. Most people run the unstable branch. Stable is for production boxes that don't need all the newest stuff (in most cases) Nor is Debian targeted at "Newbies" or they'd have a gtk install like some other dists. It's aimed at power users who want more from thier system. At least that my interpretation of it. > >I am on your side - I like Debian, I just think that they shouldn't be quite >so anal about their release - or put more work into testing [ a little >faster ]. Maybe a BSD like release schedule would be better for them. >Release the 2.2 as 3.0 and let it be used as a general release and wide >spread testing and the little bug reports will come in nicely for the 3.1 >Stable release (yes, I know this is controversial in the BSD world as well). >After all, they are developing a new branch and they haven't even released >the frozen one. > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ben Lutgens >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:48 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install > > >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:18:04AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >> > >> >Exactly - which is exactly why they should release it before they are >behind >> >a kernel version (in their release distro) yet again. >> >> Behind a kernel version? How hard is it to download a new kernel? The >kernel >> does not make the dist. You can get that anywhere. What makes a dist are >the >> packages that are available, how they're packaged and how stable they are. >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 >> >> "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." >> James Bond - The World Is Not Enough >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-----? >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 28 09:17:19 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? Message-ID: <20000628141719.68850.qmail@hotmail.com> Dia is cool, and intuitive. Give it a try. >From: Luke Francl >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: Twin Cities Linux Users Group >Subject: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:49:30 -0500 (CDT) > >Hi All, > >My boss and I are writing an article for publication about the database >backed website we made [1]. For this article, I'd like to create some >diagrams of the data model and the server setup and things like that. I >could do it in Photoshop or xfig, but I'm not real big on graphics anymore >and don't really *want* to. > >I've heard about a program for Gnome called Dia >(http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/dia.shtml and >http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/dia.html) which seeks to emulate the >functionality of the $$$ data modeling program for Windows, Visio >(http://www.microsoft.com/office/visio/) which is now owned by Microsoft >and part of the Office suite. > >Does anyone have any exprience with either of these programs (esp. Dia, >because Visio costs a lot of money, so it's doubtful I could get it)? I >need a compelling reason to get my boss to pursuade the IT support people >to let me switch to Linux on my desktop. This *might* be it! > >Thanks for any input, >Luke > >[1] I work for the University of Minnesota Libraries, www.lib.umn.edu if >your curious. It's nothing special from a .com standpoint, but radical >from a library standpoint. And no, going to 800x600 was NOT my idea. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 09:29:51 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628091507.G6305@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <013101bfe10d$5226c440$dd29680a@tgt.com> Actually, Debian is not aimed at anybody. It is just a bunch of developers working together on their favorite OS. They have done a remarkable job avoiding commercialization. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Lutgens To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install > On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:08:44AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >Why buy the CD at all? Most "popular" linux users, won't be downloading and > >installing a new kernel right away - and they certainly want to see what > >they hype is about. They won't get to with Debian 2.1. The latest software > >needs glibc-2.1.x (i.e. java2), Star Office, etc. > {blutgens@athena}-{~/.desktop} $ ls -l /lib/libc-* > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 888596 May 1 13:26 /lib/libc-2.1.3.so > > hmmm. Like I said. Most people run the unstable branch. Stable is for > production boxes that don't need all the newest stuff (in most cases) > > Nor is Debian targeted at "Newbies" or they'd have a gtk install like some > other dists. It's aimed at power users who want more from thier system. > > At least that my interpretation of it. > > > >I am on your side - I like Debian, I just think that they shouldn't be quite > >so anal about their release - or put more work into testing [ a little > >faster ]. Maybe a BSD like release schedule would be better for them. > >Release the 2.2 as 3.0 and let it be used as a general release and wide > >spread testing and the little bug reports will come in nicely for the 3.1 > >Stable release (yes, I know this is controversial in the BSD world as well). > >After all, they are developing a new branch and they haven't even released > >the frozen one. > > > >Tom Veldhouse > >veldy@veldy.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Ben Lutgens > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:48 AM > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install > > > > > >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:18:04AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >> > > >> >Exactly - which is exactly why they should release it before they are > >behind > >> >a kernel version (in their release distro) yet again. > >> > >> Behind a kernel version? How hard is it to download a new kernel? The > >kernel > >> does not make the dist. You can get that anywhere. What makes a dist are > >the > >> packages that are available, how they're packaged and how stable they are. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > >> > >> "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > >> James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >-----? > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Wed Jun 28 09:48:02 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <013101bfe10d$5226c440$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:29:51AM -0500 References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628091507.G6305@athena.sistina.com> <013101bfe10d$5226c440$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000628094802.B6729@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:29:51AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >Actually, Debian is not aimed at anybody. It is just a bunch of developers >working together on their favorite OS. They have done a remarkable job >avoiding commercialization. I stand corrected (partially) but it is definitely not "intended" for newbies as other dists are (that's probably how I should have said it. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 10:01:40 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19127] SSH Clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Far be it for NTS to actually venture into the "real world" and RTFM, but if they'd actually pull their heads out of their configs and point their browsers to the real Internet, they would discover the following information maintained by Anne Carasik (anne@ssh.com) and Steve Acheson (satch@employees.org) at: http://www.ayahuasca.net/ssh/ssh-faq.html "1.10.1 Licensing The licensing for SSH2 as of the 2.1.0 release has been completely revised. You can use Secure Shell for free if you are a university user (student, professor, staff, etc) or if you are using it for non-commercial use (playing games, checking personal email, etc.). For any commercial use, you need to have the appropriate license for Secure Shell. Click here for the current licensing information and click here for an FAQ on the licensing from SSH Communications Security. " This essentially lets them off the hook for a good portion of the application. The next hurdle is to overcome patent issues. Building against the RSA reference libraries may avoid legal entanglements (at least until September of this year *and* adding the --without-idea to their configure script (yes CSCi, "configure" can handle args!) will absolve the IDEA folks from seeking damages. "1.10.3 Patents on Cryptographic algorithms The algorithms RSA and IDEA, which are used by ssh, are claimed as patented in different countries, including the US. Linking against the RSAREF library, which is possible, may or may not make it legal to use ssh for non-commercial purposes in the US. You may need to obtain licenses for commercial use of IDEA; ssh can be configured without IDEA and works perfectly fine without it. For information on software patents in general, see the League for Programming Freedom's homepage at http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/. " If the UofM is still a nonprofit organization, they're free to use the software. My apologies for the sarcasm, but my years as a PLA at the Universe of Minnesota provided me with a degree, not in Arts but cynicism. :-) Peter Lukas On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > Peter Lukas wrote > >Universities and non-profit orgs are exempt from the patent and copyright > >issues in SSH (and SSH2). > > >Peter Lukas > > Er, are you absolutely sure about this? I don't mean to doubt you, but SSH > is a frequent topic at the netpeople meetings, and this has never come up. > SSH is highly recommended by NTS, but they've been clear in saying that > the patented versions are still illegal to use here. If they're incorrect, > I'm sure we'd all be thrilled to know we can go with the patented versions > and be legal. We do have a site licence for the commercial version > (http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/site/list.html) > > Can you post some links about who's legal to use the patented versions? > > (sorry for the slow response, I'm on digest...) > > * * > Karen Swanberg | > Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- > Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) > 206 Pillsbury Hall | > 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | > University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime > Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... > (612) 624-6541 | > * * > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 10:07:35 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19217] Visio and Dia? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been making diagrams with dia and working with Visio zealots for some time. I can say the dia's limited network objects enables the diagramer to make coherent diagrams that are free of the overuse of ligntning bolts, cisco router icons and other nonsense. Dia's ability to export to encapsulated PostScript and xml means that the visio-less can view the diagram -- in fact, virtually anyone with a web browser can be down with your diagrams. Peter Lukas On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > Hi All, > > My boss and I are writing an article for publication about the database > backed website we made [1]. For this article, I'd like to create some > diagrams of the data model and the server setup and things like that. I > could do it in Photoshop or xfig, but I'm not real big on graphics anymore > and don't really *want* to. > > I've heard about a program for Gnome called Dia > (http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/dia.shtml and > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/dia.html) which seeks to emulate the > functionality of the $$$ data modeling program for Windows, Visio > (http://www.microsoft.com/office/visio/) which is now owned by Microsoft > and part of the Office suite. > > Does anyone have any exprience with either of these programs (esp. Dia, > because Visio costs a lot of money, so it's doubtful I could get it)? I > need a compelling reason to get my boss to pursuade the IT support people > to let me switch to Linux on my desktop. This *might* be it! > > Thanks for any input, > Luke > > [1] I work for the University of Minnesota Libraries, www.lib.umn.edu if > your curious. It's nothing special from a .com standpoint, but radical > from a library standpoint. And no, going to 800x600 was NOT my idea. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 10:08:27 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628091507.G6305@athena.sistina.com> <013101bfe10d$5226c440$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628094802.B6729@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <016601bfe112$b6747690$dd29680a@tgt.com> > >Actually, Debian is not aimed at anybody. It is just a bunch of developers > >working together on their favorite OS. They have done a remarkable job > >avoiding commercialization. > > I stand corrected (partially) but it is definitely not "intended" for newbies > as other dists are (that's probably how I should have said it. > I agree. I think the same goes for Slackware. It is a more BSD influenced hackers OS. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Wed Jun 28 10:30:18 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <016601bfe112$b6747690$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 10:08:27AM -0500 References: <962123967.16199.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000627132002.A1210@athena.sistina.com> <004401bfe103$4b0910a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084854.B6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f301bfe10a$5ee2d5f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628091507.G6305@athena.sistina.com> <013101bfe10d$5226c440$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628094802.B6729@athena.sistina.com> <016601bfe112$b6747690$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000628103018.B6917@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 10:08:27AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >I agree. I think the same goes for Slackware. It is a more BSD influenced >hackers OS. > Yeah, and the only real beef I have with slack is the .tgz..... -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 28 13:28:07 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... Message-ID: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> I may send this on to debian-devel, but I haven't decided yet. I want to browse their archive first... Everyone here knows me to be as big of a Debian advocate as the next guy, but I've certainly got problems with the way they handle their distribution. My bigest pet-peeve with Debian is it's policy for package QA (or lack thereof) and it's focus on the unscaleable schema of a "distribution release". Don't get me wrong, I like the assurance of stable packages in the "stable" distribution, the committment to fixing bugs in the "frozen" distribution, and the availablity of bleeding edge in the "unstable" distribution, but I think the number and available of packages/software has outgrown this schema entirely. What is needed, IMHO, is... 1. A way to retrieve any version of a binary package at any time. 2a. A way to tag a specific version of a package based on it's lifecycle. (i.e. DEV, TEST, PROD, MAINT, DEFUNCT) 2b. A way to tag a version of a package based on the lifecycle of the actual program it contains. 3. A way to grade a package based on it's stability or lack of bugs 4. A way to install, upgrade, or remove versioned packages based on the values found in 2 and 3. 5. A way to consult the "popularity contest" scores of the package during the installation process. Advantages to this scheme... 1. Distribution "releases" would no longer need to be based on arbitrary decisions of which packages are "stable" and which are "buggy." 2. Releases (package installation lists) could be selectively built on the lifecycle tags of the packages or the software itself. For example, we could select all of the packages tagged as PROD/MAINT quality for software that is either in it's PROD/MAINT lifecycle. A more specific example would be to build a database server with the most recent PROD level package of PostgreSQL in its PROD or MAINT lifecycle. The dependency tree structure would allow us to cascade from this top-level selection down through the required packages for a minimalistic server install. 3. Tighter Quality Assurance could be maintained through this tagging scheme, as policies for tag promotion could be set and enforced. 4. Historical versions of the software package could be retrieved at any time. Increasing flexibility in recovery schemes or "oops" scenarios. Problems with this scheme, as I see them right now... 1. Saving each version of a binary and source package puts the crunch on disk-space and archive size. 2. AFAIK, there is yet to be a stable, useable tool for versioning and storing binary packages as "diffs" to cut down on the size required. 3. Of course, new tools would need to be built... (duh) If there were ever to be a revolutionary change to how OS's are installed and maintained, this would be it. Coupling the ease of use that 'apt' has given us with the quality control and flexibility that the above scheme would allow us, we could pound the market with job and quality specific installations of Debian Linux. -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 242 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000628/af04df61/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 13:51:33 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... In-Reply-To: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, ^chewie wrote: > If there were ever to be a revolutionary change to how OS's are > installed and maintained, this would be it. Coupling the ease of use > that 'apt' has given us with the quality control and flexibility that > the above scheme would allow us, we could pound the market with job > and quality specific installations of Debian Linux. You brought up some good suggestions, but as Devil's Advocate, can I make the point that standards are wonderful things, but compliance is another matter entirely. Making any version of any binary package available leaves compliance up to the given sysop, doesn't it? The real difference between the Debian distribution and any other is that they make compliance with a standard the default, and you can break away from it if you want. The alternative, esposed by the other distros is "anything goes" and everyone gets to make up their own standards. I won't make judgements about which philosophy is more successful in the end -- that largely depends on what the purpose of the computer in question is. I will say that I spend more time doing math or work on my system than surfing or gaming, so stability is more desirability to me than the age of any given component. My point is that quality control and flexibility *may* prove to be mutually exclusive. Or more likely, opposite ends of a continuum. Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jun 28 13:52:22 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... In-Reply-To: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> Message-ID: a lot of these problems will be solved in the new distributionless system that is being worked on.. allowing for many more brances of subsets of software, such as being able to use the latest and greatest PHP/apache, without having to jump full force into unstable. multiple versions of packages will be stored in the same directory structure on the main debian tree, the tree will be huge, but can be parsed down to a more useable form by simply compiling a Packages.gz and buliding an ISO.. (which i'm going to do with a package.list tonight, using utilities on the cdimage.debian.org site) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, ^chewie wrote: > I may send this on to debian-devel, but I haven't decided yet. I want > to browse their archive first... > > Everyone here knows me to be as big of a Debian advocate as the next > guy, but I've certainly got problems with the way they handle their > distribution. > > My bigest pet-peeve with Debian is it's policy for package QA (or lack > thereof) and it's focus on the unscaleable schema of a "distribution > release". Don't get me wrong, I like the assurance of stable packages > in the "stable" distribution, the committment to fixing bugs in the > "frozen" distribution, and the availablity of bleeding edge in the > "unstable" distribution, but I think the number and available of > packages/software has outgrown this schema entirely. > > What is needed, IMHO, is... > > 1. A way to retrieve any version of a binary package at any time. > > 2a. A way to tag a specific version of a package based on it's lifecycle. > (i.e. DEV, TEST, PROD, MAINT, DEFUNCT) > > 2b. A way to tag a version of a package based on the lifecycle of > the actual program it contains. > > 3. A way to grade a package based on it's stability or lack of bugs > > 4. A way to install, upgrade, or remove versioned packages based > on the values found in 2 and 3. > > 5. A way to consult the "popularity contest" scores of the package > during the installation process. > > Advantages to this scheme... > > 1. Distribution "releases" would no longer need to be based on > arbitrary decisions of which packages are "stable" and which > are "buggy." > > 2. Releases (package installation lists) could be selectively > built on the lifecycle tags of the packages or the software > itself. > > For example, we could select all of the packages tagged as > PROD/MAINT quality for software that is either in it's > PROD/MAINT lifecycle. > > A more specific example would be to build a database server > with the most recent PROD level package of PostgreSQL in its > PROD or MAINT lifecycle. The dependency tree structure would > allow us to cascade from this top-level selection down through > the required packages for a minimalistic server install. > > 3. Tighter Quality Assurance could be maintained through this > tagging scheme, as policies for tag promotion could be set and > enforced. > > 4. Historical versions of the software package could be retrieved > at any time. Increasing flexibility in recovery schemes or > "oops" scenarios. > > Problems with this scheme, as I see them right now... > > 1. Saving each version of a binary and source package puts the > crunch on disk-space and archive size. > > 2. AFAIK, there is yet to be a stable, useable tool for > versioning and storing binary packages as "diffs" to cut > down on the size required. > > 3. Of course, new tools would need to be built... (duh) > > If there were ever to be a revolutionary change to how OS's are > installed and maintained, this would be it. Coupling the ease of use > that 'apt' has given us with the quality control and flexibility that > the above scheme would allow us, we could pound the market with job > and quality specific installations of Debian Linux. > > -- > Chad "^chewie" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jun 28 14:00:46 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... References: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <022701bfe133$2ab0e140$dd29680a@tgt.com> Or - somebody could implement a ports collection very similar to that of FreeBSD :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: ^chewie To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lazer at the-bridge.net Thu Jun 29 02:09:17 2000 From: lazer at the-bridge.net (Larry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? References: <3959F368.F22B52F6@cfsmo.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <001f01bfe198$f16e9ce0$d070c7c7@h9r6a6> I am looking at testing RedHat on motherboards this weekend. Does anyone have any recommendations on a dual processor motherboard? Larry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jun 28 14:14:09 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... In-Reply-To: <022701bfe133$2ab0e140$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: debian has such a system, I have been playing with the debian source install system that is a part of apt.. it's very good. and it builds packages that you can use to distribute to clusters of identical systems, or, if you would realize that local compiling doesn't make a sigifigant difference in application preformance.. especialy with a generic ports system Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Or - somebody could implement a ports collection very similar to that of > FreeBSD :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ^chewie > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:28 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jun 28 14:15:52 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? In-Reply-To: <001f01bfe198$f16e9ce0$d070c7c7@h9r6a6> Message-ID: what kind of testing are you planning? I have an abit BP-6 dual celeron board, (will also do the new socket PIII's i belive) avaliable localy.. also, tyan makes some of the best dual boards out there. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Larry wrote: > I am looking at testing RedHat on motherboards this weekend. Does anyone > have any recommendations on a dual processor motherboard? > > Larry > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Wed Jun 28 14:18:47 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? In-Reply-To: References: <001f01bfe198$f16e9ce0$d070c7c7@h9r6a6> Message-ID: >what kind of testing are you planning? I have an abit BP-6 dual celeron >board, (will also do the new socket PIII's i belive) I belive BP6.org said that it wouldn't handle 'coppermine' chips. or at least wouldn't do it without a special adapter. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jun 28 14:19:40 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19256] [Fwd: Linux at UoM?] Message-ID: <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org> This is cool. Anyone know anything about UofM computer stores? Let me know so I can forward it on to Lance. Clay cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org "M. Lance Colvin" wrote: > > Clay - > > I'm trying to find out of the University of Minnesota has a LUG. Would > you happen to know, and would you have a contact for them? > > I'm also trying to find out if their campus computer store offers Linux > software. I've been having a hard time finding out if there is a Linux > specialist in the store and who the software buyer for the store is. > Would you have any information that may lead me to the right person? > > I appreciate the help - > > Lance Colvin > Vice President > Loki Entertainment Software --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Wed Jun 28 14:22:30 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19257] PCMCIA Message-ID: <395A5076.60131C3F@udlp.com> I'm in search of general info regarding PCMCIA support under Linux. Can anybody recommend a resource with a good definitive explanation of PCMCIA and how support for it is implemented under Linux? A web search yielded an extraordinary amount of data, but I'm hoping someone can point me to quality rather than quantity. Thanks. -- Seth Bernsen Software Engineer United Defense Phone: 612-572-4993 Fax: 612-572-4858 http://www.udlp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 28 14:26:51 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Kochie on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:52:22PM -0500 References: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000628142650.B21949@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:52:22PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > a lot of these problems will be solved in the new distributionless system > that is being worked on.. Your faith is commendable, o' Debianite. However, where can one find this discussion? I've been hitting the debian-devel list for the last hour w/o success. I know there was talk about it, and thus the seed for my proposal, but I can't find the discussion anywhere. > allowing for many more brances of subsets of software, such as being able to > use the latest and greatest PHP/apache, without having to jump full force > into unstable. multiple versions of packages will be stored in the same > directory structure on the main debian tree, the tree will be huge, but can > be parsed down to a more useable form by simply compiling a Packages.gz and > buliding an ISO.. (which i'm going to do with a package.list tonight, using > utilities on the cdimage.debian.org site) Like I said, "will be" implies that you have a lot of faith with the Debian crew, but I would like to see the actual project site, discussion archive, and perhaps the forum in which to pariticipate. Info, references my friend. -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, maybe cut off one of my little toes, but you get the picture. ;) Since slackware is the most BSD-like Linux, I think it should be the one to forge the way :) Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Wed Jun 28 14:28:48 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19257] PCMCIA References: <395A5076.60131C3F@udlp.com> Message-ID: <395A51F0.6CE0C11D@uswest.net> http://www.calderasystems.com/LDP/HOWTO/PCMCIA-HOWTO.html This may not give you the technical info you want, but it's probably the best place to start. Dave Sherman "Seth I. Bernsen" wrote: > > I'm in search of general info regarding PCMCIA support under Linux. Can > anybody recommend a resource with a good definitive explanation of > PCMCIA and how support for it is implemented under Linux? A web search > yielded an extraordinary amount of data, but I'm hoping someone can > point me to quality rather than quantity. Thanks. > > -- > Seth Bernsen > Software Engineer > United Defense > Phone: 612-572-4993 > Fax: 612-572-4858 > http://www.udlp.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jun 28 14:40:06 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... In-Reply-To: ; from Philip C Mendelsohn on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:51:33PM -0500 References: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000628144006.C21949@wookimus.net> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, ^chewie wrote: > > If there were ever to be a revolutionary change to how OS's are > > installed and maintained, this would be it. Coupling the ease of > > use that 'apt' has given us with the quality control and > > flexibility that the above scheme would allow us, we could pound > > the market with job and quality specific installations of Debian > > Linux. On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:51:33PM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > You brought up some good suggestions, but as Devil's Advocate, can I > make the point that standards are wonderful things, but compliance > is another matter entirely. Making any version of any binary > package available leaves compliance up to the given sysop, doesn't > it? In what context of compliance? Compliance on the part of the person installing the system. You mean empowering the user to choose what is best for a given situation or opinion? Yeah, that'd be a bad thing, wouldn't it. *grin* Or do you mean compliance on the part of the maintainers? Ultimately that lies within the body of the developers/maintainers. We've got a pretty faithful and enthusiastic crew supplying us with thousands of packages. How does policy change affect their enthusiasm or committment? These are rhetorical questions and can be debated as long as you would like. Instead, let's focus on the reality that any organization whose developer selection process is as formalized as Debian's, ultimately to ensure committment, would filter out those who do not wish to comply. > The real difference between the Debian distribution and any other is > that they make compliance with a standard the default, and you can > break away from it if you want. The alternative, esposed by the > other distros is "anything goes" and everyone gets to make up their > own standards. And how does my proposal operate against this? I'm simply proposing additional informational tags for identifying which meets standards and which doesn't. Releases or distributions are really based off arbitrary decisions anyway. My proposal just gives guidance and trends from which to determine which packages to include in, let's say, quarterly release mirrors. Having a repository from which to build releases is not a detriment, but an enhancement to the current Debian policy and practice. > I won't make judgements about which philosophy is more successful in > the end -- that largely depends on what the purpose of the computer > in question is. I will say that I spend more time doing math or > work on my system than surfing or gaming, so stability is more > desirability to me than the age of any given component. You're speaking of user/sysadmin choice rather than repository configuration, flexibility, and quality control. > My point is that quality control and flexibility *may* prove to be > mutually exclusive. Or more likely, opposite ends of a continuum. If selection criteria or formulas compete against eachother, then you make tradeoffs on the choices you settle upon. You are referencing, again, user or system administrator choice. My proposal talks about building an informational policy with which to TRACK and EVALUATE the appropriateness of a given package or software, not whether or not someone has the choice to use it or not. Perhaps you're trying to say that when a user is bombarded with information, dissemination of that info becomes too large of a chore than its worth. Great, rely upon others (like we do now) to make arbitrary decisions on quarterly releases from which you leech packages. Rely upon tools such as apt to help you sift through dependency and conflict issues. Rely upon enhanced tools such as apt to give you information on package popularity (which is being used today as a selection process for releases), package stability, and software lifecycle. I'm talking about information, categorization, and decision helpers, not about making decisions for the users/systems administrators. -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So we are going to be experimenting with various components to see if we can design some Red Hat servers that will allow for our clients to have internal email, security, and file storage capacity as well as backup. So that is our game plan. Our current motherboard list has a few Tyans on it. But I am curious as to if anyone else has used and had good luck with a certain motherboard. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Kochie To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? > what kind of testing are you planning? I have an abit BP-6 dual celeron > board, (will also do the new socket PIII's i belive) avaliable > localy.. also, tyan makes some of the best dual boards out there. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Larry wrote: > > > I am looking at testing RedHat on motherboards this weekend. Does anyone > > have any recommendations on a dual processor motherboard? > > > > Larry > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Wed Jun 28 15:00:23 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19263] New monitor Message-ID: <006201bfe13b$7fd5c7a0$ad82e13f@gateway> I just got my 21 inch flat screen. WOW!!! more details after I stop drroooooollllliiiinngggg ;-()~ ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 15:04:16 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19256] [Fwd: Linux at UoM?] In-Reply-To: <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org>; from Clay Fandre on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:19:40PM -0500 References: <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000628150415.A14655@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:19:40PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > This is cool. Anyone know anything about UofM computer stores? Let me > know so I can forward it on to Lance. > > Clay > cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org I think its mostly through the bookstore. http://www.computerstore.umn.edu/ A quick search of the software list shows a few Linux distros. Never bought any software there myself, but that might change if they stocked Loki titles ;). Of course it doesn't look like they stock games. And I have no idea who to contact - though there is an order "email" address on the webpage. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jun 28 15:03:53 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? In-Reply-To: <000f01bfe19e$937405c0$ec70c7c7@h9r6a6> Message-ID: I've had my best luck with tyan boards, the BP6 is a workstation motherboard, not a server.. intel also has some ok boards, not the highest preformance.. any reason you need a dual CPU system? most of your file/print/mail/backup is easily handled by a single CPU linux box.. where more money should be dumped into a good SCSI card, and some 10k RPM drives.. (i allways use IBM ultrastar drives) and i prefer to purchase dell systems for anything bigger than $5,000 something that needs better warrenty support Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Larry wrote: > We current design custom desktops with Windows. However, lots of our > clients use both Macs and PCs without a server. So we are going to be > experimenting with various components to see if we can design some Red Hat > servers that will allow for our clients to have internal email, security, > and file storage capacity as well as backup. So that is our game plan. > > Our current motherboard list has a few Tyans on it. But I am curious as to > if anyone else has used and had good luck with a certain motherboard. > > Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? > > > > what kind of testing are you planning? I have an abit BP-6 dual celeron > > board, (will also do the new socket PIII's i belive) avaliable > > localy.. also, tyan makes some of the best dual boards out there. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Larry wrote: > > > > > I am looking at testing RedHat on motherboards this weekend. Does > anyone > > > have any recommendations on a dual processor motherboard? > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Wed Jun 28 15:09:05 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <006201bfe13b$7fd5c7a0$ad82e13f@gateway> References: <006201bfe13b$7fd5c7a0$ad82e13f@gateway> Message-ID: >I just got my 21 inch flat screen. WOW!!! more details after I stop drroooooollllliiiinngggg ;-()~ don't leave us in suspense, man! give us details! make, model, max resolution, money involved... will it do 1600x1200? the usefulness of a 21" monitor is limited unless the user can take advantage of all that screen real-estate with a desktop resolution to match. I'm still waiting for a 60" 4800x2400 3-D display, myself. :) enough to fill my field of vision. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Jun 28 15:11:38 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor Message-ID: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> Yeah, I think a good deal these days are the Hitachi SuperScan 75x series of monitors. I had a 19" one that could do 1600x1200@75Hz w/ .22 dot pitch. They're pretty cheap these days, and easy on the eyes to look at. Those 21" Flat Screeners are nice... if you can spend $1000+. We get to use the Sun flat screen (21") dual-hookup built-in-switch monitors at work, and they're absolutely stunning - but cost ~$1200. (Trinitron, too) Nick carls@agritech.com, on 06/28/2000 03:09:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor >I just got my 21 inch flat screen. WOW!!! more details after I stop drroooooollllliiiinngggg ;-()~ don't leave us in suspense, man! give us details! make, model, max resolution, money involved... will it do 1600x1200? the usefulness of a 21" monitor is limited unless the user can take advantage of all that screen real-estate with a desktop resolution to match. I'm still waiting for a 60" 4800x2400 3-D display, myself. :) enough to fill my field of vision. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcoyne at software.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 15:27:15 2000 From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: > They're pretty cheap these days, and easy on the eyes to look at. Those 21" > Flat Screeners are nice... if you can spend $1000+. We get to use the Sun flat > screen (21") dual-hookup built-in-switch monitors at work, and they're > absolutely > stunning - but cost ~$1200. (Trinitron, too) Doh, I knew I should have gotten a job at supervalue. And here I am stuck on my ancient pentium 166. At least they let me run Linux. Justin Coyne Software Developer University of Minnesota --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Wed Jun 28 15:33:06 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor References: Message-ID: <007f01bfe140$11a2c620$ad82e13f@gateway> Sarcasm will get you nowhere! ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Coyne To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor > > They're pretty cheap these days, and easy on the eyes to look at. Those 21" > > Flat Screeners are nice... if you can spend $1000+. We get to use the Sun flat > > screen (21") dual-hookup built-in-switch monitors at work, and they're > > absolutely > > stunning - but cost ~$1200. (Trinitron, too) > > Doh, I knew I should have gotten a job at supervalue. And here I am stuck > on my ancient pentium 166. At least they let me run Linux. > > > Justin Coyne > Software Developer > University of Minnesota > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Wed Jun 28 15:35:29 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> References: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: aha, I think I misunderstood... I read 'flat screen' as 'flat panel'. so it's a regular CRT that you have; which just happens to have a flat face on it. I haven't seen a 21" flat-panel monitor yet (only a 20", and it would only do 1280x1024). so it sounded doubly impressive. :) (I figured your company must love you an *awful* lot to buy you something like that). :) I'm very happy with my 21" vertically-flat ViewSonic PT810 that I have at home. bought it used (www.erpcsales.com), paid < $600 for it after shipping & handling. it shows its age a bit at times; but it improved quite a bit after some use (dunno how they were using or storing it before; perhaps it was magnetized somehow). Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 16:12:45 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Justin Coyne wrote: > Doh, I knew I should have gotten a job at supervalue. And here I am stuck > on my ancient pentium 166. At least they let me run Linux. I don't even get to do that :( --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 16:15:38 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I'm very happy with my 21" vertically-flat ViewSonic PT810 that I have > at home. bought it used (www.erpcsales.com), paid < $600 for it after > shipping & handling. it shows its age a bit at times; but it improved > quite a bit after some use (dunno how they were using or storing it > before; perhaps it was magnetized somehow). Hey, I followed the link...I wonder what's wrong with these? 21" monitors for $200? What? http://www.erpcsales.com/products/specials/detail.cfm?SpecialID=76 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Jun 28 16:16:11 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor Message-ID: <0FWV00G3EW5DXQ@mail1.supervalu.com> Ah ha! That's where you're wrong! A simple uname -a reveals: Linux svho1ws22 2.2.15 #1 Tue May 30 15:54:23 CDT 2000 i686 unknown So there, pbbt! Nick jcoyne@software.umn.edu, on 06/28/2000 03:27:15 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor > They're pretty cheap these days, and easy on the eyes to look at. Those 21" > Flat Screeners are nice... if you can spend $1000+. We get to use the Sun flat > screen (21") dual-hookup built-in-switch monitors at work, and they're > absolutely > stunning - but cost ~$1200. (Trinitron, too) Doh, I knew I should have gotten a job at supervalue. And here I am stuck on my ancient pentium 166. At least they let me run Linux. Justin Coyne Software Developer University of Minnesota --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Wed Jun 28 16:51:47 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Hey, I followed the link...I wonder what's wrong with these? 21" monitors >for $200? What? >http://www.erpcsales.com/products/specials/detail.cfm?SpecialID=76 wish I knew... doesn't give any useful information that I see. my take on it is; if it looks too good to be true, it probably is. remember that there have been a lot of really *bad* 21" monitors produced throughout computing history as well. of course, if you just wanted the perverse pleasure of running 80x25 console mode on a 21"; they might be just the thing. :) it's a good feeling to do that. :) Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcoyne at software.umn.edu Wed Jun 28 16:56:49 2000 From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <0FWV00G3EW5DXQ@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: Eh, wrong in what way? Justin Coyne On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Ah ha! That's where you're wrong! A simple uname -a reveals: > > Linux svho1ws22 2.2.15 #1 Tue May 30 15:54:23 CDT 2000 i686 unknown > > So there, pbbt! > > Nick > > > > > > jcoyne@software.umn.edu, on 06/28/2000 03:27:15 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor > > > They're pretty cheap these days, and easy on the eyes to look at. Those 21" > > Flat Screeners are nice... if you can spend $1000+. We get to use the Sun > flat > > screen (21") dual-hookup built-in-switch monitors at work, and they're > > absolutely > > stunning - but cost ~$1200. (Trinitron, too) > > Doh, I knew I should have gotten a job at supervalue. And here I am stuck > on my ancient pentium 166. At least they let me run Linux. > > > Justin Coyne > Software Developer > University of Minnesota > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Wed Jun 28 18:54:45 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor References: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <001e01bfe15c$3d076980$9221a0d8@gateway> No you are right it is a flat pannel, its only about an inch thick plus the base. It is a Gateway FPD1800. 21 inch monitor 1280x1024 at 32 bits is the maximum that I can get it to but I'm sure that is can do better than that. Its running off of a "digital" NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Pro with 32 megs I tried watching a DVD movie on it, and I was very surprised to see no flicker or shaddows dragging behind moving objects. So far I'm happy. aha, I think I misunderstood... I read 'flat screen' as 'flat panel'. so it's a regular CRT that you have; which just happens to have a flat face on it. I haven't seen a 21" flat-panel monitor yet (only a 20", and it would only do 1280x1024). so it sounded doubly impressive. :) (I figured your company must love you an *awful* lot to buy you something like that). :) I'm very happy with my 21" vertically-flat ViewSonic PT810 that I have at home. bought it used (www.erpcsales.com), paid < $600 for it after shipping & handling. it shows its age a bit at times; but it improved quite a bit after some use (dunno how they were using or storing it before; perhaps it was magnetized somehow). Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mike at getbent.net Wed Jun 28 20:43:15 2000 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00062820451801.26380@Dingo> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, you wrote: While this is true relying on the packet filtering on the 675 for your firewalling can be a dicey prospect. Especially for those of you who do not put an Exec or En password on your 675's. While VISI is techinically correct a little ipchains loving here and there will help you sleep a little better at night... Another rule of thumb.... "Never rely on what USWest supposedly gives away for free... (They used to give the 675's away, don't know if they do that anymore > You could skip the BSD box altogether, I am assuming its there for NAT, > and just use the NAT on the 675. It is working fine for me. US West is > in the habit of telling people they need multiple IPs but the technician I > talked to at VISI was nice enough to tell me the entries to make it work > on the 675(all the information you need is in the 675's manual); after > having used FreeBSD for a couple of months for NAT. It works great. I > have only had to restart it once in the last 6 months. > > I still haven't been able to get the 675's DHCP server working > correctly but that would just be gratuitus sugary topping. > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu > Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wade.a.harding at ac.com Wed Jun 28 20:50:58 2000 From: wade.a.harding at ac.com (wade.a.harding@ac.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... Message-ID: Out of curiosity, anyone run CBOS 2.3.5 (or anything else higher than 2.2.0) on their 675's? Mike Nielsen 06/28/2000 08:43 PM EST Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, you wrote: While this is true relying on the packet filtering on the 675 for your firewalling can be a dicey prospect. Especially for those of you who do not put an Exec or En password on your 675's. While VISI is techinically correct a little ipchains loving here and there will help you sleep a little better at night... Another rule of thumb.... "Never rely on what USWest supposedly gives away for free... (They used to give the 675's away, don't know if they do that anymore > You could skip the BSD box altogether, I am assuming its there for NAT, > and just use the NAT on the 675. It is working fine for me. US West is > in the habit of telling people they need multiple IPs but the technician I > talked to at VISI was nice enough to tell me the entries to make it work > on the 675(all the information you need is in the 675's manual); after > having used FreeBSD for a couple of months for NAT. It works great. I > have only had to restart it once in the last 6 months. > > I still haven't been able to get the 675's DHCP server working > correctly but that would just be gratuitus sugary topping. > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu > Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From krakken at mn.mediaone.net Wed Jun 28 21:52:54 2000 From: krakken at mn.mediaone.net (Bradley Wendelboe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19251] Dual Processor Motherboard? References: <3959F368.F22B52F6@cfsmo.honeywell.com> <001f01bfe198$f16e9ce0$d070c7c7@h9r6a6> Message-ID: <395ABA06.56665446@mn.mediaone.net> Ive been using the Tyan Tiger 100 (S1832) for about 4 months now. Stock RH 6.2 was rock solid. A few patches here and there (FreeSwan VPN, APG support, ALSA drivers) and I was getting some lockups from MM, and after I added an IDE CDR (running in IDE-SCSI mode) I saw one or the other CPU "falling asleep". All has been well since I moved to 2.4-test-2. I'd say with stock RH 6.2 its a rock solid MB. This is my third Tyan MB at home, and about my 40th at work. Never had even one problem. Last time I looked, VA uses this board in their SMP servers. Larry wrote: > > I am looking at testing RedHat on motherboards this weekend. Does anyone > have any recommendations on a dual processor motherboard? > > Larry > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Jun 28 23:13:09 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... References: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> <20000628144006.C21949@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <395ACCD5.6E255C37@ringworld.org> Start with stable (or frozen). If there is something that you must have, either get the source package from unstable, or compile with --prefix=/usr/local/stow (after installing the stow package of course) Some time you just have to bite the freaking bullet and do it the slackware way. =) (BTW...almost have LTSP working on a Debian box chewie! :P) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Wed Jun 28 23:59:20 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (Tim Neu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19247] A proposal for Debian... In-Reply-To: <395ACCD5.6E255C37@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Start with stable (or frozen). If there is something that you must have, > either get the source package from unstable, or compile with > --prefix=/usr/local/stow (after installing the stow package of course) > > Some time you just have to bite the freaking bullet and do it the > slackware way. =) > > (BTW...almost have LTSP working on a Debian box chewie! :P) I do have LTSP working on Debian - with two diskless machines! (I also have reiserfs and X11 4.0 going on debian as well!) If you let me know how far you've gotten, I may be able to help. They converted right over with "alien" for me - other than configuring the files afterward, that was all I had to do. LTSP is SO cool - but the configuration and startup scripts could be done better... (at least the version I have had lots of hard coded IP addresses in the scripts). If I knew more about the "creation" side of the debian package management system, I'd submit debs for all of the modules... That could be one way to make LTSP easier to configure. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:13:09PM -0500 References: <20000628132807.A21949@wookimus.net> <20000628144006.C21949@wookimus.net> <395ACCD5.6E255C37@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000629000921.B1964@wookimus.net> On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:13:09PM -0500, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Start with stable (or frozen). If there is something that you must > have, either get the source package from unstable, or compile with > --prefix=/usr/local/stow (after installing the stow package of > course) You're so simple. ;-) > Some time you just have to bite the freaking bullet and do it the > slackware way. =) Hmm... Andy, I have a feeling that you're brushing me off. ;-) And you, of all people, a devoted Debian user! *heh* > (BTW...almost have LTSP working on a Debian box chewie! :P) -- Sweetness! ;-) I've had very little reason since leaving LTi to work on stuff like that. Especially when I don't have a bunch of old boxes laying around anymore. Heh. It's certainly a very cool and viable option over the $900+ NCD Explora's w/the $500 site-license. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20000629010644.I19523@real-time.com> Anyway to get a MHonArch database back into it's original mbox format or something that resembles the original message? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 29 02:31:24 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <00f401bfe10a$b28beb60$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:11:03AM -0500 References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084710.A6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f401bfe10a$b28beb60$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000629023124.Q12387@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [000628 09:11]: > Ah - Corel and/or Storm support glibc-2.1.x and the 2.2 kernels - so I don't > think they are based upon Debian stable. I was not advocating those > distros - just saying that general public support of Debian will wane with > these out there (if they live up to the hipe). Do you know that most packages in corel and storm are really slink and/or potato based? And that really the majority of it still comes from debian? Especially in corel-land, where all they did was add KDE, a few kde tools for debian, their installer, and used debian packages for the rest. It can only help debian. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 29 02:41:42 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19256] [Fwd: Linux at UoM?] In-Reply-To: <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org>; from cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:19:40PM -0500 References: <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000629024142.R12387@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [000628 14:21]: > > I'm trying to find out of the University of Minnesota has a LUG. Would > > you happen to know, and would you have a contact for them? > > > > I'm also trying to find out if their campus computer store offers Linux > > software. I've been having a hard time finding out if there is a Linux > > specialist in the store and who the software buyer for the store is. > > Would you have any information that may lead me to the right person? Well. I happen to run past the bookstores every so often for. well. uh. books and stuff. ;) but... I poked through the online computer store stuff and its all apple/windows programs. I think they dont really have a large linux thing going at all. Which is too bad, considering the amount of Linux machines we have in itlabs. I can run past them in the next few days if i have time on a lunch break and see if they have anything. Ill also try and see if I can get information about the buyer if possible. Pass on the contact info over to Loki for the local ACM too. Its a close definition to a LUG at the Univ of MN ;) http://acm.cs.umn.edu/contact.htm officers@acm.cs.umn.edu 612-626-1535 -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Jun 29 03:16:41 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts References: <0FWR00933J15JM@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <395B05E9.31739883@tcfreenet.org> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > http://dcfonline.sfu.ca/ying/linux/truetype/ has a great HOWTO on > getting TrueType fonts working under X, at least for web browsing. Oooold. RedHat has TT support out of the box now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Jun 29 06:54:13 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19287] FS: Dual PII-Xeon 450s (OT) In-Reply-To: <20000625145444.E1631@real-time.com> References: <200006251943.e5PJhw902051@enchanter.real-time.com> <200006251943.e5PJhw902051@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000629064622.00ada420@pop.mpls.uswest.net> I saw the thread on dual processor MBs, and since I was about to sell these on eBay, it seemed like it made sense that I should offer them to the list first. For Sale: Matched pair of Intel Pentium-II Xeon 450 (512K); perfect for dual-processor machine. If you are interested, make your best offer. I will consider interesting trades or partial cash/trade deals. If I don't get a reasonable local offer, they will go the way of eBay. Please respond OFF LIST to b.layer@vikingelectronics.com and/or blayer@uswest.net Thanks for the bandwidth, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Thu Jun 29 08:16:12 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What you probably got was a Northern hemisphere monitor that had been being used south of the equator. Once it was set with the polarity correct it recovered ;) Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > aha, I think I misunderstood... I read 'flat screen' as 'flat > panel'. so it's a regular CRT that you have; which just happens to > have a flat face on it. > > I haven't seen a 21" flat-panel monitor yet (only a 20", and it would > only do 1280x1024). so it sounded doubly impressive. :) (I figured > your company must love you an *awful* lot to buy you something like > that). :) > > I'm very happy with my 21" vertically-flat ViewSonic PT810 that I have > at home. bought it used (www.erpcsales.com), paid < $600 for it after > shipping & handling. it shows its age a bit at times; but it improved > quite a bit after some use (dunno how they were using or storing it > before; perhaps it was magnetized somehow). > > Carl Soderstrom > _________________________________________ > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Jun 29 08:38:22 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts In-Reply-To: <395B05E9.31739883@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 03:16:41AM -0500 References: <0FWR00933J15JM@mail1.supervalu.com> <395B05E9.31739883@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000629083822.B4889@localhost> On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 03:16:41AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: >> >> http://dcfonline.sfu.ca/ying/linux/truetype/ has a great HOWTO on >> getting TrueType fonts working under X, at least for web browsing. > >Oooold. RedHat has TT support out of the box now. So you are sayin that in order for someone to get TT's they should purchase a brand new RedHat and reinstall? Or maybe they could read something and go through like 10 steps, and have it done. all I gotta do is apt-get install xfstt add FOntPath unix/:7101 to XF86COnfig, put some fonts in the appropriate dir and restart xfstt and restart X. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Thu Jun 29 08:47:40 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >What you probably got was a Northern hemisphere monitor that >had been being used south of the equator. Once it was set with the >polarity correct it recovered ;) >> I'm very happy with my 21" vertically-flat ViewSonic PT810 that I have >> at home. bought it used (www.erpcsales.com), paid < $600 for it after >> shipping & handling. it shows its age a bit at times; but it improved >> quite a bit after some use (dunno how they were using or storing it >> before; perhaps it was magnetized somehow). naah, probably had been in an environment with too many plastic rulers. too much static electricity. after moving it around a bit (sort of like grounding out one's ruler by smacking it against a table); it probably discharged all the static electricity. (has anyone ever seen a BOFH excuse-of-the-day book actually put together)? Carl Soderstrom ******************************* Everything I need to know about computer administration I learned from the BOFH. bofh.ntk.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Jun 29 08:58:15 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > (has anyone ever seen a BOFH excuse-of-the-day book actually put > together)? Only in one of those daily calendar pads, which probably had some embellishment. Andy > Carl Soderstrom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 09:02:17 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... References: Message-ID: <009701bfe1d2$a2b3fe30$dd29680a@tgt.com> Nope - my ISP (VISI) will not support 2.3.5 currently. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... > > Out of curiosity, anyone run CBOS 2.3.5 (or anything else higher than > 2.2.0) on their 675's? > > > Mike Nielsen > 06/28/2000 08:43 PM EST > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... > > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > While this is true relying on the packet filtering on the 675 for your > firewalling can be a dicey prospect. Especially for those of you > who do not put an Exec or En password on your 675's. > > While VISI is techinically correct a little ipchains loving here and there > will help you sleep a little better at night... > > Another rule of thumb.... "Never rely on what USWest supposedly gives > away for free... > > (They used to give the 675's away, don't know if they do that anymore > > > You could skip the BSD box altogether, I am assuming its there for NAT, > > and just use the NAT on the 675. It is working fine for me. US West is > > in the habit of telling people they need multiple IPs but the technician > I > > talked to at VISI was nice enough to tell me the entries to make it work > > on the 675(all the information you need is in the 675's manual); after > > having used FreeBSD for a couple of months for NAT. It works great. I > > have only had to restart it once in the last 6 months. > > > > I still haven't been able to get the 675's DHCP server working > > correctly but that would just be gratuitus sugary topping. > > > > ____________________________ > > Mike Neuharth > > ADCS Technology Specialist > > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > > > E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu > > Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com > > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > > ____________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wade.a.harding at ac.com Thu Jun 29 09:12:07 2000 From: wade.a.harding at ac.com (wade.a.harding@ac.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... Message-ID: Bummer. Cisco finally did the packet filtering "correctly" in that release, based on the release notes. That release finally lets you block a range of ports with a single filter rule. Imagine: 0) allow all 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 dest-port 80 1) deny all 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 src-port 1-65535 (or whatever max is) Lock it up tight, I say... "Thomas T. Veldhouse" 06/29/2000 09:02 AM EST Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org To: cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... Nope - my ISP (VISI) will not support 2.3.5 currently. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... > > Out of curiosity, anyone run CBOS 2.3.5 (or anything else higher than > 2.2.0) on their 675's? > > > Mike Nielsen > 06/28/2000 08:43 PM EST > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... > > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > While this is true relying on the packet filtering on the 675 for your > firewalling can be a dicey prospect. Especially for those of you > who do not put an Exec or En password on your 675's. > > While VISI is techinically correct a little ipchains loving here and there > will help you sleep a little better at night... > > Another rule of thumb.... "Never rely on what USWest supposedly gives > away for free... > > (They used to give the 675's away, don't know if they do that anymore > > > You could skip the BSD box altogether, I am assuming its there for NAT, > > and just use the NAT on the 675. It is working fine for me. US West is > > in the habit of telling people they need multiple IPs but the technician > I > > talked to at VISI was nice enough to tell me the entries to make it work > > on the 675(all the information you need is in the 675's manual); after > > having used FreeBSD for a couple of months for NAT. It works great. I > > have only had to restart it once in the last 6 months. > > > > I still haven't been able to get the 675's DHCP server working > > correctly but that would just be gratuitus sugary topping. > > > > ____________________________ > > Mike Neuharth > > ADCS Technology Specialist > > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > > > E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu > > Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com > > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > > ____________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jsprague at gearworks.com Thu Jun 29 09:33:05 2000 From: jsprague at gearworks.com (Jared Sprague) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer service to my street yet. Thanks for sharing any information. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Thu Jun 29 09:35:41 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: ; from jsprague@gearworks.com on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: >Hello, >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer >service to my street yet. With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your area isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other telcos can offer DSL phone lines. > -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 29 09:42:05 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19211] debian install In-Reply-To: <20000629023124.Q12387@ringworld.org>; from Scott Dier on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 02:31:24AM -0500 References: <1081A982627@main.daily.umn.edu> <003b01bfe103$1fbf5e90$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000628084710.A6305@athena.sistina.com> <00f401bfe10a$b28beb60$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000629023124.Q12387@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000629094204.B9366@wookimus.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse [000628 09:11]: > > Ah - Corel and/or Storm support glibc-2.1.x and the 2.2 kernels - > > so I don't think they are based upon Debian stable. I was not > > advocating those distros - just saying that general public support > > of Debian will wane with these out there (if they live up to the > > hipe). Actually, this is only a marketing issue, not whether there will or will not be support to Debian. Did you know that the Corel and Storm distributions pull packages directly from the Debian archives? The only thing unique about Corel and Storm is that they add a few commercial software packages in the lot. Guess where they put them? In dedicated directories that conform to the apt-get tool. Guess where they point users for new packages? Yep, the Debian distribution. Corel may be better at providing a full mirror of Debian than Storm is, as Storm has a line for pulling Debian packages in their default sources.list. I'm not 100% about Corel's sources.list. It's been a while since I've had a chance to dig into the config on an available box. Basically, we're trying to predict what the public will do without looking at trends. Why does Debian get new users? Maybe they hear that their distribution is based on Debian and they want to hit the source rather than some watered-down mirror. Maybe they're actively searching for the best way to support the use of Free Software (TM), so they pick the only distribution who's Social Contract states that very mission. No, I don't see Debian popularity dropping any time soon. The real battle to concentrate on is the packaging systems and the policies for Quality Control. Whomever has the best scheme will come out on top. Of course, the term "best" has some strong capatilistic Darwinisms to it, but let's hope that the best technology wins rather than the most popular or the most marketed. <^chewie places his bet on Debian> I was fortunate to have friends who pointed me in the Right Direction (TM) from the start, the time when I fully committed myself to learning about Linux. Sure, I've run RedHat. I had a copy of 4.2 running for about a year, yet I didn't have the full drive until I saw how effective the 486X33 Debian firewall I installed (with the help of my friends) ran at work. At that point, I was caught hook, line, and sinker, and I haven't regretted the decision to focus my time and energy into Debian Linux. Yes, I'm a certifiable "gear head." -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just pull out the Campus directory and call the Computer Desk: Software Buyer for U of MN Bookstores: Judy McCall 612-624-4046 At 02:41 AM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >* Clay Fandre [000628 14:21]: >> > I'm trying to find out of the University of Minnesota has a LUG. Would >> > you happen to know, and would you have a contact for them? >> > >> > I'm also trying to find out if their campus computer store offers Linux >> > software. I've been having a hard time finding out if there is a Linux >> > specialist in the store and who the software buyer for the store is. >> > Would you have any information that may lead me to the right person? > >Well. I happen to run past the bookstores every so often for. well. uh. >books and stuff. ;) > >but... I poked through the online computer store stuff and its all >apple/windows programs. I think they dont really have a large linux >thing going at all. Which is too bad, considering the amount of Linux >machines we have in itlabs. I can run past them in the next few days if >i have time on a lunch break and see if they have anything. > >Ill also try and see if I can get information about the buyer if >possible. > >Pass on the contact info over to Loki for the local ACM too. Its a >close definition to a LUG at the Univ of MN ;) > >http://acm.cs.umn.edu/contact.htm > >officers@acm.cs.umn.edu 612-626-1535 > > >-- >Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet >http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > >Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > >http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Jun 29 09:47:27 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your area > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other telcos can > offer DSL phone lines. Other telcos (CLECs) can offer DSL service out of USWest COs and over USWest copper, and most importantly, they can offer different implementations of DSL. USWest uses RADSL, which has a much smaller effective range than SDSL, which is offered by someone like Covad. So if USWest can't provide you service, it's possible that Covad can, if they've moved into the correct CO. Unfortunately this hope didn't pan out for me at either of 2 locations. But certainly worth a phone call. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at usinternet.com Thu Jun 29 09:53:00 2000 From: esper at usinternet.com (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19111] Cisco 675 and my network... In-Reply-To: <009701bfe1d2$a2b3fe30$dd29680a@tgt.com> from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" at "Jun 29, 2000 09:02:17 am" Message-ID: Thomas T. Veldhouse said: > Nope - my ISP (VISI) will not support 2.3.5 currently. Is that "support" as in "it doesn't work with VISI's service" or "support" as in "if something goes wrong, they won't help you"? (I've got my 675, I've got my account with VISI, I've got a P-100 to firewall, now I'm just waiting for US West to hook up the line and the batch of 10/100 network cards I bought off eBay for the firewall to show up...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 09:54:32 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: Message-ID: <00d301bfe1d9$efa27ee0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Go checkout http://www.dslreports.com They have been excellent - and they have not been wrong yet for me or anybody I know. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared Sprague To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > Hello, > Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? > I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer > service to my street yet. > Thanks for sharing any information. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 09:56:13 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <00da01bfe1da$2bd5df60$dd29680a@tgt.com> Many do. Covad, Rythms, Northpoint ... I am covered by all of the above as well as USWest. They all have DSLAMS sitting the the USWest central office and they provision the line from USWest. However, USWest in many cases does not have dsl service in areas where these other companies do - because they have not equiped their own CO. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Lutgens To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > >Hello, > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer > >service to my street yet. > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your area > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other telcos can > offer DSL phone lines. > > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 29 10:01:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19256] [Fwd: Linux at UoM?] In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000629094601.00a88590@g-swan.email.umn.edu>; from g-swan@maroon.tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:46:01AM -0500 References: <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org> <395A4FCC.EFE0A31B@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000629024142.R12387@ringworld.org> <3.0.5.32.20000629094601.00a88590@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000629100104.S12387@ringworld.org> * George Swan [000629 09:46]: > Golly Gee Whiz! Just pull out the Campus directory and call the Computer > Desk: That would be Too Easy(tm) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Thu Jun 29 10:08:30 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <001e01bfe15c$3d076980$9221a0d8@gateway> References: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> <001e01bfe15c$3d076980$9221a0d8@gateway> Message-ID: >It is a Gateway FPD1800. >21 inch monitor >1280x1024 at 32 bits is the maximum that I can get it to but I'm sure that >is can do better than that. hmm, i can't seem to find specs for this monitor anywhere on gateway's site (which just redirects you to necx anyway). I don't see *any* 21" monitors (a few 20.1" tho); and none above 1280x1024 (except for SGI's). I'm not doubting you; I just want to know more. :) are other people out there annoyed like me, at the lack of progress the monitor companies have made towards bigger desktops? I'm sure there's some real engineering problems with building high-res CRTs bigger than 21"; and flat panel yields probably drop off exponentially with larger sizes; but it's like they aren't even *trying*. I've seen at least one company welding 4 flat panels seamlessly together; but they were only using 640x480 panels. is there a conspiracy among the monitor companies to keep us cramped on these tiny 'airplane trays'? ('desktop' is a bit too generous a term most of the time). ;> Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 10:11:34 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19256] [Fwd: Linux at UoM?] In-Reply-To: <20000629100104.S12387@ringworld.org> Message-ID: linux@math.umn.edu Peter Lukas On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * George Swan [000629 09:46]: > > Golly Gee Whiz! Just pull out the Campus directory and call the Computer > > Desk: > > That would be Too Easy(tm) > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > > http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 10:14:49 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor References: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> <001e01bfe15c$3d076980$9221a0d8@gateway> Message-ID: <013101bfe1dc$c5144d40$dd29680a@tgt.com> Gateway is known to use relabeled (with the gateway logo) Digital Research monitors. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor >It is a Gateway FPD1800. >21 inch monitor >1280x1024 at 32 bits is the maximum that I can get it to but I'm sure that >is can do better than that. hmm, i can't seem to find specs for this monitor anywhere on gateway's site (which just redirects you to necx anyway). I don't see *any* 21" monitors (a few 20.1" tho); and none above 1280x1024 (except for SGI's). I'm not doubting you; I just want to know more. :) are other people out there annoyed like me, at the lack of progress the monitor companies have made towards bigger desktops? I'm sure there's some real engineering problems with building high-res CRTs bigger than 21"; and flat panel yields probably drop off exponentially with larger sizes; but it's like they aren't even *trying*. I've seen at least one company welding 4 flat panels seamlessly together; but they were only using 640x480 panels. is there a conspiracy among the monitor companies to keep us cramped on these tiny 'airplane trays'? ('desktop' is a bit too generous a term most of the time). ;> Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Jun 29 10:05:40 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor Message-ID: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, I think there are a couple reasons why you don't see many monitors beyond 21". 1) Most people have a limited amount of desk space - as such, a 25" CRT would be difficult to fit on. 2) Most research has noted that for regular computer users, there is a big productivity increase when you go from 14/15" screens to 17", and another moderate size productivity increase when you go from 17" to 19", but not so much from 19" to 21". Because of this, there is a much smaller demand for 21" screens (by businesses), and so there isn't much incentive to make them bigger. Sharper, yes. Clearer, yes. Brighter, yes. But not really "bigger". If you want big, your best bet these days is to pick up a nice HDTV. I've seen a really nice 16:9 HDTV (like 36" I think) for $2k, that is also multisync, so you can hook it up to your computer. It even had USB ports on the front of the TV. I can't remember who it was made by, but I've seen them at Best Buy, and they do look real nice. (1080i, sadly). Nick carls@agritech.com, on 06/29/2000 10:08:30 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor >It is a Gateway FPD1800. >21 inch monitor >1280x1024 at 32 bits is the maximum that I can get it to but I'm sure that >is can do better than that. hmm, i can't seem to find specs for this monitor anywhere on gateway's site (which just redirects you to necx anyway). I don't see *any* 21" monitors (a few 20.1" tho); and none above 1280x1024 (except for SGI's). I'm not doubting you; I just want to know more. :) are other people out there annoyed like me, at the lack of progress the monitor companies have made towards bigger desktops? I'm sure there's some real engineering problems with building high-res CRTs bigger than 21"; and flat panel yields probably drop off exponentially with larger sizes; but it's like they aren't even *trying*. I've seen at least one company welding 4 flat panels seamlessly together; but they were only using 640x480 panels. is there a conspiracy among the monitor companies to keep us cramped on these tiny 'airplane trays'? ('desktop' is a bit too generous a term most of the time). ;> Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jun 29 10:20:35 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <395B6943.B12A3962@mn.uswest.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > >Hello, > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer > >service to my street yet. > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your area > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other telcos can > offer DSL phone lines. Do you have a choice on cable? I live in Lakeville and Charter Communications offer cable modems. -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Thu Jun 29 10:58:39 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> References: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <71rmls8i2htgjikm6cn4o7arra0fcqi379@4ax.com> >1) Most people have a limited amount of desk space - as such, >a 25" CRT would be difficult to fit on. Insufficient dedication to the Cause! these are probably the same strange people who have lives away from the computer screen... wierdos. ;> >2) Most research has noted that for regular computer users, there is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >a big productivity increase when you go from 14/15" screens to 17", >and another moderate size productivity increase when you go from >17" to 19", but not so much from 19" to 21". I understand this; and figured that it was the main reason we don't see really big displays... most people just don't know how to take advantage of them. tragically; most people rarely run more than one application at a time. for them, 17" is quite adequate. then you have people like us, who run >12 programs on at least 4 virtual desktops at >1280x1024 each, and think we're cramped. :) I think the big breakthrough in workspace technology will be position-sensing head-mounted displays. by turning your head; you can have an environment as big in area as you like. even those will still need 6000x2400 displays (or perhaps a pair of 4000x2400 displays, interleaved stereoscopically at the center of vision?) >If you want big, your best bet these >days is to pick up a nice HDTV. I've seen a really nice 16:9 HDTV (like >36" I think) for $2k, that is also multisync, so you can hook it up to your >computer. It even had USB ports on the front of the TV. I can't remember who >it was made by, but I've seen them at Best Buy, and they do look real nice. >(1080i, sadly). the thought did occur to me; but ~1920x1080 doesn't really seem worth it right now. maybe when I build my dream house I can get 2 or three of them; then watch TV while mucking around on my computer, sitting on a comfy chair in the living room. :) thanks! Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 11:09:31 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF Message-ID: Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want to put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help would be appreciated. __________________________________ L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and Troubleshooting Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 11:27:48 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> <395B6943.B12A3962@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <017a01bfe1e6$f6e7d760$dd29680a@tgt.com> A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is getting less than 50%. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Hoekstra To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > > >Hello, > > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? > > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer > > >service to my street yet. > > > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your area > > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other telcos can > > offer DSL phone lines. > > Do you have a choice on cable? I live in Lakeville and Charter > Communications offer cable modems. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > Consultant > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 29 11:31:18 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: General nanosystems, and also CompUSA have the aureal vortex SuperQuad.. which has optical output.. I havn't tried mine in linux yet.. but I'm going to be replacing win95 as soon as the Hollywood+ drive improves to the point of usability Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want to > put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of > those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a > new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help > would be appreciated. > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Jun 29 11:19:31 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF Message-ID: <0FWX0000WCKFOV@mail1.supervalu.com> I've used the S/PDIF port on my Sound Blaster Live! (full version/retail) under Linux, and it works nice. (at least S/PDIF output). I've sold off most of my computer, except the sound card, so let me know if you'd be interested. labmat@earthlink.net, on 06/29/2000 11:09:31 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want to put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help would be appreciated. __________________________________ L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and Troubleshooting Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Jun 29 11:34:26 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <017a01bfe1e6$f6e7d760$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: That may not be great -- may be a bit oversubscribed, or just not optimized. But it still beats the hell out of ISDN, and is presumably cheaper. Andy > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > getting less than 50%. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Perry Hoekstra > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > > > >Hello, > > > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in > Eagan? > > > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont > offer > > > >service to my street yet. > > > > > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your > area > > > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other > telcos can > > > offer DSL phone lines. > > > > Do you have a choice on cable? I live in Lakeville and Charter > > Communications offer cable modems. > > > > -- > > Perry Hoekstra > > Consultant > > Talent Software Services > > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Jun 29 11:35:36 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> <395B6943.B12A3962@mn.uswest.net> <017a01bfe1e6$f6e7d760$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <395B7AD8.F0F56BCA@mn.uswest.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > getting less than 50%. Glad I did not buckle under to the sweet song of the salesperson. I hate paying $50.00 bucks a for something like that. Trouble is, I am only in IDSL range right now. -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 11:43:24 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19315] Newbie question: box for firewall: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000629114324.00a1c8b0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Do I want a used IBM 350 with a P-100 and ether card for a (Linux) firewall--IPchains...? at $166 (30 day warranty) could I stick just about any second ether card in it, or is this a notoriously weird machine? gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 11:45:34 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess not that it really matters but how would the Aureal card stand up to my AWE64 ? __________________________________ L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and Troubleshooting Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:31 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF General nanosystems, and also CompUSA have the aureal vortex SuperQuad.. which has optical output.. I havn't tried mine in linux yet.. but I'm going to be replacing win95 as soon as the Hollywood+ drive improves to the point of usability Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want to > put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of > those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a > new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help > would be appreciated. > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From escargo at anubis.network.com Thu Jun 29 11:48:27 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19315] Newbie question: box for firewall: Message-ID: <200006291648.LAA09234@rainier.network.com> A friend of mine and I bought a pair of P-75 IBM 350s (each with a token ring card) for $100 (for the pair). They each had 32MB of memory and a 510MB disk. The only thing weird about the machine is that it doesn't have 64MB as a supported memory configuration. I did find an IBM site that had updates for it (video, BIOS, and diagnostics). I plan to put a couple of 3c509s (that I already have) in mine and use it for a firewall box. dsc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 29 11:49:18 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the aureal is a very cheap card, but works very well.. i picked up mine for $60.. I think the midi stuff on the AWE is better, but I don't do much midi anymore Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > I guess not that it really matters but how would the Aureal card stand up to > my AWE64 ? > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:31 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF > > General nanosystems, and also CompUSA have the aureal vortex > SuperQuad.. which has optical output.. I havn't tried mine in linux > yet.. but I'm going to be replacing win95 as soon as the Hollywood+ drive > improves to the point of usability > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > > Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want > to > > put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of > > those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a > > new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help > > would be appreciated. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > > Troubleshooting > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Jun 29 11:38:48 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF Message-ID: <0FWX000A1DIAOV@mail1.supervalu.com> Under Linux, you're probably better off with the AWE64 rather than the Aureal card, simply because of poor driver support. The SB Live! S/PDIF is well supported under Linux, see http://opensource.creative.com Nick labmat@earthlink.net, on 06/29/2000 11:45:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF I guess not that it really matters but how would the Aureal card stand up to my AWE64 ? __________________________________ L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and Troubleshooting Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:31 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF General nanosystems, and also CompUSA have the aureal vortex SuperQuad.. which has optical output.. I havn't tried mine in linux yet.. but I'm going to be replacing win95 as soon as the Hollywood+ drive improves to the point of usability Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want to > put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of > those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a > new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help > would be appreciated. > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Thu Jun 29 11:56:24 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A7071468F@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Hello, A very quick question what Kernel version supports USB devices? Regards, Troy Schmidt. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Jun 29 12:23:03 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A7071468F@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: The 2.3.x kernels have it in the tree... I built the modules and tried out a USB keyboard (generic) and a USB mouse (microshaft) for fun a while back. The keyboard worked no problem... the mouse didn't. Go figure. It did know that it was a mouse but not how to talk to it. So much for name brand hardware. 2.2.x doesn't have any USB out of the box so you'd have to get the module code separately and build them. The more recent distros include USB with 2.2.x kernels, so that may well be an option if you don't want to build your own kernel. Charlie On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > Hello, > > A very quick question what Kernel version supports USB devices? > > Regards, > > Troy Schmidt. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Thu Jun 29 12:26:02 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A7071468F@exchange_serve.multitech.prv>; from TFS@MULTITECH.com on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:56:24AM -0500 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A7071468F@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: <20000629122602.B889@athena.sistina.com> On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:56:24AM -0500, Troy Schmidt wrote: >Hello, > >A very quick question what Kernel version supports USB devices? > Anything after 2.2.16 should be fine. Check kernelnotes.org and then hunt around for the linuxusb sourceforge page. I know there is one. Be advised you'll prolly have to apply some backport patches unless you go much newer (e.g. unstable) kernel. The way you posted that question makes me think you aren't exactly a *nix guru, so I would suggest reading alot before you dive in headlong. On the same note the 2.399 and up kernels all have usb support and compile very cleanly. Whether they are unstable/stable is another story. I have never had any problems though. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 12:26:02 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19315] Newbie question: box for firewall: In-Reply-To: <200006291648.LAA09234@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000629122602.00a31100@g-swan.email.umn.edu> At 11:48 AM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >A friend of mine and I bought a pair of P-75 IBM 350s (each >with a token ring card) for $100 (for the pair). They each >had 32MB of memory and a 510MB disk. Hmmm. Further investigation says this has 16MB RAM and 900MB HD So I suppose it could be a little high.... >The only thing weird about the machine is that it doesn't have >64MB as a supported memory configuration. (Me: "Doiy..") does RAM affect the firewall process? Doesn't it all just pass on through? (Newbie here...) So... Do I need to boost it to 32MB Would the slots automatically be there? >I did find an IBM site that had updates for it (video, BIOS, >and diagnostics). Do I want this address? (Heh, sure I'll take it if you have it handy. Don't go diggin' though.) >I plan to put a couple of 3c509s (that I already have) in mine >and use it for a firewall box. (Opens old RH5.2 Installation manual...) 3c509 = 3Com EtherLink III? (assuming the 's' means card's') The repair guy seller says he assumes "10BaseT" (Duh!!!??) He didn't know what maker. For a second card, what about the reliability of second hand ether cards? Any notions about that? Or should I just head for NanoSystems? gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Jun 29 12:18:42 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux Message-ID: <0FWX0019ZFBK6H@mail1.supervalu.com> I've used the backport of USB for Linux 2.2 and it's worked fine for me. USB Mouse (IntelliMouse Explorer), USB Keyboard (Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro), the hub in the keyboard (see earlier), and the regular hub (Kensington). Everything seemed to work okay, although the keyboard was a bit noisy at times. Nick cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu, on 06/29/2000 12:23:03 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux The 2.3.x kernels have it in the tree... I built the modules and tried out a USB keyboard (generic) and a USB mouse (microshaft) for fun a while back. The keyboard worked no problem... the mouse didn't. Go figure. It did know that it was a mouse but not how to talk to it. So much for name brand hardware. 2.2.x doesn't have any USB out of the box so you'd have to get the module code separately and build them. The more recent distros include USB with 2.2.x kernels, so that may well be an option if you don't want to build your own kernel. Charlie On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > Hello, > > A very quick question what Kernel version supports USB devices? > > Regards, > > Troy Schmidt. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Jun 29 12:36:00 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux In-Reply-To: <0FWX0019ZFBK6H@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: I think what I had was a WheelMouse USB. Not totally for sure, I borrowed it from someone to try it out in Linux. I was using a devel kernel (I think it was a 2.3.99) so maybe the code is a little better now. The kerenl tree doesn't always reflect the latest advancements. Charlie On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > I've used the backport of USB for Linux 2.2 and it's worked > fine for me. USB Mouse (IntelliMouse Explorer), USB Keyboard > (Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro), the hub in the keyboard (see earlier), > and the regular hub (Kensington). > > Everything seemed to work okay, although the keyboard was a bit > noisy at times. > > Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Jun 29 12:24:42 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF Message-ID: <0FWX001CVFKY6H@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, the Ethernet card, the sound card, and the motherboard are just about the only things left. The ethernet card is a 3Com 3c905b PCI card. Ooo, my laptap came in, today. Here's what I got: Compaq Presario 1800-T 15" TFT screen 192MB RAM 18GB hard drive 700MHz PIII 8x DVD drive It's puuurty! Woo! Nick g-swan@maroon.tc.umn.edu, on 06/29/2000 12:29:22 PM To: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF At 11:19 AM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >I've sold off most of my computer, except the sound card, so >let me know if you'd be interested. Congratulations! What do you have left? any chance you have an ether card? (I suppose that/those would have been the first to go...) gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From escargo at anubis.network.com Thu Jun 29 12:38:19 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19315] Newbie question: box for firewall: Message-ID: <200006291738.MAA09394@rainier.network.com> > From: George Swan > > At 11:48 AM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote: > >A friend of mine and I bought a pair of P-75 IBM 350s (each > >with a token ring card) for $100 (for the pair). They each > >had 32MB of memory and a 510MB disk. > > Hmmm. Further investigation says this has 16MB RAM > and 900MB HD So I suppose it could be a little high.... > Do you mean the price is a little high? I guess it depends. We got our boxes locally from Materials Processing (http://materialsprocessing.com) surplus store. They advertise 3Com Etherlink III cards for $5 each. (These are listed as June Specials, so it's not clear how long that price will last.) > > >The only thing weird about the machine is that it doesn't have > >64MB as a supported memory configuration. > (Me: "Doiy..") does RAM affect the firewall process? > Doesn't it all just pass on through? (Newbie here...) > So... Do I need to boost it to 32MB Would the slots automatically > be there? I don't know that you need the extra memory, but it's nice to have memory for buffers, etc. The slots will recognize two 16MB SIMMs as 32MB, but not four 16MB SIMMs for 64MB. > >I did find an IBM site that had updates for it (video, BIOS, > >and diagnostics). > Do I want this address? > (Heh, sure I'll take it if you have it handy. Don't go diggin' though.) Well, you can start at www.pc.ibm.com and search or try this: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/JBAR-3TTPG3.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+PC%7CPC+350&family=IBM+PC%7CPC+350&doctype=Product+information&subtype=All If you know the type and model you can use the "Quick Path" query box on the lower left. > >I plan to put a couple of 3c509s (that I already have) in mine > >and use it for a firewall box. > (Opens old RH5.2 Installation manual...) > 3c509 = 3Com EtherLink III? (assuming the 's' means card's') That's what they used to call them. > The repair guy seller says he assumes "10BaseT" (Duh!!!??) > He didn't know what maker. > > For a second card, what about the reliability of second hand ether cards? > Any notions about that? Or should I just head for NanoSystems? I have no clue about reliability of second-hand cards. Certainly they have been handled more than new cards, but if you pay $5 for the card, you can buy 4 or 8 of them in place of a new card. dsc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 12:53:04 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: Message-ID: <01c001bfe1f2$e017e1e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> I haven't checked - but I am willing to bet latency sucks with Charter as well - which is a major reason for Broadband. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > That may not be great -- may be a bit oversubscribed, or just not > optimized. But it still beats the hell out of ISDN, and is > presumably cheaper. > > Andy > > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > > getting less than 50%. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Perry Hoekstra > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in > > Eagan? > > > > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont > > offer > > > > >service to my street yet. > > > > > > > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your > > area > > > > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other > > telcos can > > > > offer DSL phone lines. > > > > > > Do you have a choice on cable? I live in Lakeville and Charter > > > Communications offer cable modems. > > > > > > -- > > > Perry Hoekstra > > > Consultant > > > Talent Software Services > > > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 12:53:54 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> <395B6943.B12A3962@mn.uswest.net> <017a01bfe1e6$f6e7d760$dd29680a@tgt.com> <395B7AD8.F0F56BCA@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <01c701bfe1f2$fe5c72b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Yep - and if you get high latency 18 KB/s connection via cable - you are likely better off with the IDSL. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Hoekstra To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > > getting less than 50%. > > Glad I did not buckle under to the sweet song of the salesperson. I > hate paying $50.00 bucks a for something like that. Trouble is, I am > only in IDSL range right now. > > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > Consultant > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From theixian at unrest.cx Thu Jun 29 13:24:27 2000 From: theixian at unrest.cx (The Ixian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <006401bfe1f7$42b67a10$0900000a@bridgephone.net> ISDN? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > >Hello, > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer > >service to my street yet. > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your area > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other telcos can > offer DSL phone lines. > > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 13:33:18 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF In-Reply-To: <0FWX000A1DIAOV@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: As an experiment I just hooked a red LED to that digital audio output on the back of my CDROM, placed the fiber optic cable in front of it and found that it recorded the cd audio... I didn't know that it would do that, cool! __________________________________ L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and Troubleshooting Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:39 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF Under Linux, you're probably better off with the AWE64 rather than the Aureal card, simply because of poor driver support. The SB Live! S/PDIF is well supported under Linux, see http://opensource.creative.com Nick labmat@earthlink.net, on 06/29/2000 11:45:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF I guess not that it really matters but how would the Aureal card stand up to my AWE64 ? __________________________________ L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and Troubleshooting Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:31 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF General nanosystems, and also CompUSA have the aureal vortex SuperQuad.. which has optical output.. I havn't tried mine in linux yet.. but I'm going to be replacing win95 as soon as the Hollywood+ drive improves to the point of usability Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want to > put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of > those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a > new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help > would be appreciated. > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 29 13:35:48 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: that's cool.. i might have to try that Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > As an experiment I just hooked a red LED to that digital audio output on the > back of my CDROM, placed the fiber optic cable in front of it and found that > it recorded the cd audio... I didn't know that it would do that, cool! > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:39 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF > > Under Linux, you're probably better off with the AWE64 > rather than the Aureal card, simply because of poor driver > support. The SB Live! S/PDIF is well supported under Linux, > see http://opensource.creative.com > > Nick > > > > > > labmat@earthlink.net, on 06/29/2000 11:45:34 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF > > I guess not that it really matters but how would the Aureal card stand up to > my AWE64 ? > > > __________________________________ > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > Troubleshooting > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:31 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19309] SPDIF > > General nanosystems, and also CompUSA have the aureal vortex > SuperQuad.. which has optical output.. I havn't tried mine in linux > yet.. but I'm going to be replacing win95 as soon as the Hollywood+ drive > improves to the point of usability > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > > Hey guys, my stereo is going on the fritz again, just at the time I want > to > > put some music on my minidisk player. Anyone know where I can get one of > > those optical SPDIF out cards for cheap, if it means that I need to get a > > new sound card, which one should I get so it works with linux? Any help > > would be appreciated. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > L.A.B.M.A.T.: Lifelike Artificial Being Manufactured for Assassination and > > Troubleshooting > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Thu Jun 29 14:34:58 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19333] VFS: Unable to mount root fs References: Message-ID: <395BA4E2.A2A29863@bgea.org> I've been playing around with bare-metal backup/recoveries and am getting these as the last lines on the console on boot: ... kmem_create: Forcing size word alignment - nfs_fh ds: no socket drivers loaded! request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 Any ideas on what this means? This is kernel 2.3.99-pre9. I've briefly described the scenerio below. I've also done the same scenerio with a bare-bones Debian 2.1 installation with the 2.2.12 kernel and that recovery worked fine! I've played around with different combinations of boot= and root= options in lilo.conf and with flagging and unflagging the fdisk 'bootable' flag on sda1. Can't seem to get it. Is this some difference between the kernel versions or a bug in this kernel or what might I be doing wrong? Thanks for any insight. -John ################################################################### #cd / (on ramdisk created by rescue floppy) #mkdir root #mount /dev/sda1 root ... untar the archive to the reformatted harddrive. #cd /root check /root/etc/fstab check /root/etc/lilo.conf: boot=/dev/sda root=/dev/sda1 install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal prompt timeout=50 delay=20 image=/vmlinuz4 label=linux read-only # chroot /root /sbin/lilo ... this works; says 'added linux'; etc ... machine boots ok, but hangs #################################################################### -- John Hawley Network Administrator IT Services // BGEA 612.335.1334 <=> jhawley@bgea.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 29 14:58:34 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <01c001bfe1f2$e017e1e0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 12:53:04PM -0500 References: <01c001bfe1f2$e017e1e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000629145834.U12387@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [000629 12:54]: > I haven't checked - but I am willing to bet latency sucks with Charter as > well - which is a major reason for Broadband. Keep in mind, broadband != latent. Its lame ass providers that provide you latentcy ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Thu Jun 29 14:58:09 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service Message-ID: <382714698.962308689403.JavaMail.root@web586-ec.mail.com> ------Original Message------ From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: June 29, 2000 5:53:04 PM GMT Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service I haven't checked - but I am willing to bet latency sucks with Charter as well - which is a major reason for Broadband. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net Charter in general has latency problems. In St. Cloud we basically have 2 choices, either Charter or Astound. When I had a cable modem, I was using Astound and their downtime was unbearable. They were constantly having routers dropping out, and usually no techs that knew enough to reboot/reconfigure them. My friend has Charter and although has never experienced a second of downtime, has noticed major latency problems. I think Charter may have some misconfigured routers upstream that are slowing things down (routing loops and what not). My solution to this whole problem was getting ADSL :-). 99% uptime, 256k minimum speed at all times. There really is no substitute in my opinion. Ok, a T1 would be nice but $800/mo is a bit spendy :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > That may not be great -- may be a bit oversubscribed, or just not > optimized. But it still beats the hell out of ISDN, and is > presumably cheaper. > > Andy > > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > > getting less than 50%. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Perry Hoekstra > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in > > Eagan? > > > > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont > > offer > > > > >service to my street yet. > > > > > > > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF your > > area > > > > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other > > telcos can > > > > offer DSL phone lines. > > > > > > Do you have a choice on cable? I live in Lakeville and Charter > > > Communications offer cable modems. > > > > > > -- > > > Perry Hoekstra > > > Consultant > > > Talent Software Services > > > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From psp at printwareinc.com Thu Jun 29 15:09:32 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service Message-ID: <20000629200932026.AAA335@sumo> Speak of the devil. I just called Covad to see about gettign an SDSL line here in Eagan - they say that our location is covered, although "subject to verification". The sales rep rattled off a list of ISPs, which she said were my only choices: bignet, cais, exario, fastpoint, firstworld, internet communications, envoy, speakeasy, & voicenet. The only one I have ever heard about was Envoy, and I couldn't recall if that was because it was so good, or so bad. Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jun 29 15:12:48 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <20000629200932026.AAA335@sumo>; from psp@printwareinc.com on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 03:09:32PM -0500 References: <20000629200932026.AAA335@sumo> Message-ID: <20000629151248.V12387@ringworld.org> * Phil Plumbo [000629 15:11]: > choices: bignet, cais, exario, fastpoint, firstworld, internet > communications, envoy, speakeasy, & voicenet. The only one I have ever heard Speakeasy has a 3month free deal.. They use pnap for their internet access, should be really decently fast. If cable doesn't work out for me, im gonna get a fast speakeasy.net line -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jun 29 15:14:55 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <382714698.962308689403.JavaMail.root@web586-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <023201bfe206$b15c7190$dd29680a@tgt.com> My solution exactly. I have just such a system through VISI.com and USWest. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > ------Original Message------ > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: June 29, 2000 5:53:04 PM GMT > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > I haven't checked - but I am willing to bet latency sucks with Charter as > well - which is a major reason for Broadband. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > Charter in general has latency problems. In St. Cloud we basically have 2 > choices, either Charter or Astound. When I had a cable modem, I was using > Astound and their downtime was unbearable. They were constantly having > routers dropping out, and usually no techs that knew enough to > reboot/reconfigure them. My friend has Charter and although has never > experienced a second of downtime, has noticed major latency problems. I > think Charter may have some misconfigured routers upstream that are slowing > things down (routing loops and what not). My solution to this whole problem > was getting ADSL :-). 99% uptime, 256k minimum speed at all times. There > really is no substitute in my opinion. Ok, a T1 would be nice but $800/mo > is a bit spendy :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > > That may not be great -- may be a bit oversubscribed, or just not > > optimized. But it still beats the hell out of ISDN, and is > > presumably cheaper. > > > > Andy > > > > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster > than > > > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than > what > > > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He > is > > > getting less than 50%. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Perry Hoekstra > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > > > > > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:33:05AM -0500, Jared Sprague wrote: > > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service > in > > > Eagan? > > > > > >I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) > dont > > > offer > > > > > >service to my street yet. > > > > > > > > > > With DSL, the high spped phone line has to come from us west. IF > your > > > area > > > > > isn't coverd you are out of luck. Unless this has changed and other > > > telcos can > > > > > offer DSL phone lines. > > > > > > > > Do you have a choice on cable? I live in Lakeville and Charter > > > > Communications offer cable modems. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Perry Hoekstra > > > > Consultant > > > > Talent Software Services > > > > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Thu Jun 29 15:21:15 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19339] MRTG/ snmpd configuration Message-ID: <65bnlscaa5j270o9mc6i77tfck1s3mifio@4ax.com> I'm trying to generate a config file for MRTG; but AFAICT I need an snmpd to provide the information, and I seem to have snmpd misconfigured. :( I'm trying the 'cfgmaker' script; but this is what I get when I try to run it: [root@razor run]# ./cfgmaker public@localhost # Add a WorkDir: /some/path line to this file SNMP Error: Received SNMP response with error code error status: noSuchName index 1 (OID: 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.1.0) SNMPv1_Session (remote host: "localhost" [127.0.0.1].161 community: "public" request ID: 2139531833 PDU bufsize: 8000 bytes timeout: 2s retries: 5 backoff: 1) SNMPGET Problem for sysDescr sysContact sysName sysLocation ifNumber sysObjectID on public@localhost ###################################################################### # Description: # Contact: # System Name: # Location: #..................................................................... SNMP Error: Received SNMP response with error code error status: noSuchName index 1 (OID: 1.3.6.1.2.1.4.20.1.1) SNMPv1_Session (remote host: "localhost" [127.0.0.1].161 community: "public" request ID: 236229286 PDU bufsize: 8000 bytes timeout: 2s retries: 5 backoff: 1) SNMP Error: Received SNMP response with error code error status: noSuchName index 1 (OID: 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1) SNMPv1_Session (remote host: "localhost" [127.0.0.1].161 community: "public" request ID: 236229287 PDU bufsize: 8000 bytes timeout: 2s retries: 5 backoff: 1) unfortunately, I know virtually nothing about SNMP (yet); so I have little or no clue about where i'm going wrong. I looked over my networking books; and it seems that I didn't miss that much by sleeping through those classes that covered SNMP and MIBs. :) the snmpd man page is also decidedly non-helpful. is there an snmpd-HOWTO somewhere? can anyone see a simple place where I might be going wrong? Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 29 16:15:29 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: Message-ID: <001401bfe20f$27a0ce20$a582e13f@gateway> got to DSLREPORTS.com they will have a link to Northpoint wich will offer its services through several companies they say that their service is available in eagan for about $39. I live in eagan my self but dont have dsl yet. Cant afford it at the moment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared Sprague To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > Hello, > Does anyone know of a highspeed internet provider that has service in Eagan? > I just moved there and both my cable(MediaOne) and phone(USWest) dont offer > service to my street yet. > Thanks for sharing any information. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 29 16:17:23 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor References: <0FWV00F4NSN5UP@mail1.supervalu.com> <001e01bfe15c$3d076980$9221a0d8@gateway> Message-ID: <002401bfe20f$6b6dad80$a582e13f@gateway> I'll take a picture and will post it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor >It is a Gateway FPD1800. >21 inch monitor >1280x1024 at 32 bits is the maximum that I can get it to but I'm sure that >is can do better than that. hmm, i can't seem to find specs for this monitor anywhere on gateway's site (which just redirects you to necx anyway). I don't see *any* 21" monitors (a few 20.1" tho); and none above 1280x1024 (except for SGI's). I'm not doubting you; I just want to know more. :) are other people out there annoyed like me, at the lack of progress the monitor companies have made towards bigger desktops? I'm sure there's some real engineering problems with building high-res CRTs bigger than 21"; and flat panel yields probably drop off exponentially with larger sizes; but it's like they aren't even *trying*. I've seen at least one company welding 4 flat panels seamlessly together; but they were only using 640x480 panels. is there a conspiracy among the monitor companies to keep us cramped on these tiny 'airplane trays'? ('desktop' is a bit too generous a term most of the time). ;> Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 29 16:19:55 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor References: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> <71rmls8i2htgjikm6cn4o7arra0fcqi379@4ax.com> Message-ID: <002e01bfe20f$c65f89c0$a582e13f@gateway> Hey for only $17000 you can get a 50 inch flat Plasma display that has magical resolutions. That should be enough space ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor >1) Most people have a limited amount of desk space - as such, >a 25" CRT would be difficult to fit on. Insufficient dedication to the Cause! these are probably the same strange people who have lives away from the computer screen... wierdos. ;> >2) Most research has noted that for regular computer users, there is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >a big productivity increase when you go from 14/15" screens to 17", >and another moderate size productivity increase when you go from >17" to 19", but not so much from 19" to 21". I understand this; and figured that it was the main reason we don't see really big displays... most people just don't know how to take advantage of them. tragically; most people rarely run more than one application at a time. for them, 17" is quite adequate. then you have people like us, who run >12 programs on at least 4 virtual desktops at >1280x1024 each, and think we're cramped. :) I think the big breakthrough in workspace technology will be position-sensing head-mounted displays. by turning your head; you can have an environment as big in area as you like. even those will still need 6000x2400 displays (or perhaps a pair of 4000x2400 displays, interleaved stereoscopically at the center of vision?) >If you want big, your best bet these >days is to pick up a nice HDTV. I've seen a really nice 16:9 HDTV (like >36" I think) for $2k, that is also multisync, so you can hook it up to your >computer. It even had USB ports on the front of the TV. I can't remember who >it was made by, but I've seen them at Best Buy, and they do look real nice. >(1080i, sadly). the thought did occur to me; but ~1920x1080 doesn't really seem worth it right now. maybe when I build my dream house I can get 2 or three of them; then watch TV while mucking around on my computer, sitting on a comfy chair in the living room. :) thanks! Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 16:27:56 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <002e01bfe20f$c65f89c0$a582e13f@gateway> from Andrew Nemchenko at "Jun 29, 2000 04:19:55 pm" Message-ID: <20000629212756.10424.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Andrew Nemchenko allegedly wrote: > Hey for only $17000 you can get a 50 inch flat Plasma display > that has magical resolutions. That should be enough space Magical resolutions? Poking around a bit shows it goes up to 1280 horizontal. Will it do better than that? Flattened, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Thu Jun 29 16:30:40 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <002e01bfe20f$c65f89c0$a582e13f@gateway> References: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> <71rmls8i2htgjikm6cn4o7arra0fcqi379@4ax.com> <002e01bfe20f$c65f89c0$a582e13f@gateway> Message-ID: >Hey for only $17000 you can get a 50 inch flat Plasma display >that has magical resolutions. That should be enough space what do you mean by 'magical resolutions'? >3840x1440? if they are that good; where do i sign up for two of these things? :> Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Jun 29 16:44:03 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor References: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> <71rmls8i2htgjikm6cn4o7arra0fcqi379@4ax.com> <002e01bfe20f$c65f89c0$a582e13f@gateway> Message-ID: <00d101bfe213$25407320$a582e13f@gateway> Check out these http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1045-404-922830.html?st.co.1045_402.txt .pdtl http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1051-404-130609.html?st.co.1051_402.txt .pdtl http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1051-404-922712.html?st.co.1051_402.txt .pdtl http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1051-404-1401332.html?st.co.1051_402.tx t.pdtl http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1051-404-131863.html?st.co.1051_402.txt .pdtl Huh for some reason I cant find the magic monitor link but check these out while I look for it ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor >Hey for only $17000 you can get a 50 inch flat Plasma display >that has magical resolutions. That should be enough space what do you mean by 'magical resolutions'? >3840x1440? if they are that good; where do i sign up for two of these things? :> Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 18:08:22 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts References: <0FWR00933J15JM@mail1.supervalu.com> <395B05E9.31739883@tcfreenet.org> <20000629083822.B4889@localhost> Message-ID: <395BD6E6.275FBAF@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > Oooold. RedHat has TT support out of the box now. > > So you are sayin that in order for someone to get TT's they should purchase a > brand new RedHat and reinstall? Actually, I think RedHat has had built-in TrueType support for at least a year, and I'm sure at least a few other distros have followed suit (or maybe they did it before RedHat.. I dunno..) > Or maybe they could read something and go through like 10 steps, and have it > done. all I gotta do is apt-get install xfstt add FOntPath unix/:7101 to > XF86COnfig, put some fonts in the appropriate dir and restart xfstt and > restart X. IIRC, if you use RedHat's X font server, it's a (relatively) simple matter of dumping fonts in a particular directory, then running `ttmkfdir', then running `mkfontdir', then running `xset fp+ /path/to/my/fonts' (this *must* be an absolute path), and maybe `xset fp rehash'... no restart of X required... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ General Failure reading / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Jesse Berst \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 18:13:00 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> <395B6943.B12A3962@mn.uswest.net> <017a01bfe1e6$f6e7d760$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <395BD7FC.2E31FA77@tc.umn.edu> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > getting less than 50%. Yuck! Your friend should complain! Loudly! -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Dinner not ready: (A)bort / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (R)etry (P)izza \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 29 18:20:51 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19333] VFS: Unable to mount root fs References: <395BA4E2.A2A29863@bgea.org> Message-ID: <395BD9D3.B1CFFC72@tc.umn.edu> John Hawley wrote: > > I've been playing around with bare-metal backup/recoveries and am getting these > as the last lines on the console on boot: > ... > kmem_create: Forcing size word alignment - nfs_fh > ds: no socket drivers loaded! > request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted > VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01 > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 > The kernel is trying to mount your root filesystem from your first SCSI hard drive. If your hard drive is a SCSI drive, you probably forgot to compile in the driver for the SCSI controller. If you don't have SCSI drives, then you have to fix your lilo.conf to point to /dev/hda1 or whatever instead of /dev/sda1. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ She did WHAT with WHO for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ HOW MANY Mini-Oreos? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jun 29 20:39:12 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <20000629093541.A385@athena.sistina.com> <395B6943.B12A3962@mn.uswest.net> <017a01bfe1e6$f6e7d760$dd29680a@tgt.com> <395BD7FC.2E31FA77@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <395BFA40.9A4E7B76@innominatus.com> I have a couple of friends down there that get chater service. One of them was part of the beta setup. At that time he was getting 25K (And his intranet dhcp server was being relayed over charter hehehehehe, anways), but now they both are getting about 60K. Mike Hicks wrote: > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > > getting less than 50%. > > Yuck! Your friend should complain! Loudly! > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Dinner not ready: (A)bort > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (R)etry (P)izza > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Thu Jun 29 21:26:01 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19333] VFS: Unable to mount root fs References: <395BA4E2.A2A29863@bgea.org> <395BD9D3.B1CFFC72@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <395C0538.E5274E17@bgea.org> Thanks. I overlooked the obvious. The system I brought the archive over from had an ide subsystem and I thought I had enabled all the scsi stuff when I recompiled knowing I'd need it later, but forgot to actually drill down into the scsi driver section. I didn't think of it since the lilo did find the boot block on sda and started the load. -jh Mike Hicks wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > > > > I've been playing around with bare-metal backup/recoveries and am getting these > > as the last lines on the console on boot: > > ... > > kmem_create: Forcing size word alignment - nfs_fh > > ds: no socket drivers loaded! > > request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted > > VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01 > > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > > Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 > > > > The kernel is trying to mount your root filesystem from your first SCSI > hard drive. If your hard drive is a SCSI drive, you probably forgot to > compile in the driver for the SCSI controller. If you don't have SCSI > drives, then you have to fix your lilo.conf to point to /dev/hda1 or > whatever instead of /dev/sda1. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ She did WHAT with WHO for > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ HOW MANY Mini-Oreos? > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- John Hawley // Network Admin Billy Graham Evang. Assoc. 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org From openview at mindspring.com Thu Jun 29 21:37:23 2000 From: openview at mindspring.com (openview@mindspring.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service Message-ID: I've had a dial-up ISP account with Mindspring for 2 years now and been very happy with their availability and support. We have DSL from USWorst because that's all that was available before the Mindspring / Earthlink merger. Just some back of the napkin notes from using the USWorst DSL with USWorst ISP and it seems that somewhere things are over subscribed so the pipes to the net are full. Has anyone made the jump from USWorst to Mindspring / Earthlink? Do I keep the DSL service with USWorst and just move the ISP connection to Earthlink or do I get it all from Earthlink? thanks chuckc tclug-list@mn-linux.org wrote: > I have a couple of friends down there that get chater service. One of them was part of the beta setup. At that time he was getting 25K (And his intranet dhcp server was being relayed over charter hehehehehe, anways), but now they both are getting about 60K. Mike Hicks wrote: > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than > > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what > > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is > > getting less than 50%. > > Yuck! Your friend should complain! Loudly! > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Dinner not ready: (A)bort > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (R)etry (P)izza > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 00:19:54 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <20000629200932026.AAA335@sumo> Message-ID: NOT ONVOY!!!! On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Phil Plumbo wrote: > Speak of the devil. I just called Covad to see about gettign an SDSL line > here in Eagan - they say that our location is covered, although "subject to > verification". > > The sales rep rattled off a list of ISPs, which she said were my only > choices: bignet, cais, exario, fastpoint, firstworld, internet > communications, envoy, speakeasy, & voicenet. The only one I have ever heard > about was Envoy, and I couldn't recall if that was because it was so good, > or so bad. > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Jun 30 06:45:31 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19320] USB Support in Linux References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A7071468F@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> <20000629122602.B889@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <395C885B.C93A9700@tcfreenet.org> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:56:24AM -0500, Troy Schmidt wrote: > >Hello, > > > >A very quick question what Kernel version supports USB devices? > > > Anything after 2.2.16 should be fine. Check kernelnotes.org and then hunt > around for the linuxusb sourceforge page. I know there is one. Grab the backport patch at http://www.linux-usb.org/ Anyone know the proper manner to load the modules in? Here's what I have: modprobe uhci sleep 2 modprobe hid sleep 2 modprobe mousedev Without the sleeps it seems there's some odd race condition and it doesn't work. I think its the mousedev driver. I'll try commenting out the first sleep. I'm just using a USB Intellimouse Optical... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Jun 30 06:50:14 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19169] Netscape fonts References: <0FWR00933J15JM@mail1.supervalu.com> <395B05E9.31739883@tcfreenet.org> <20000629083822.B4889@localhost> Message-ID: <395C8976.9EE7D30@tcfreenet.org> > >Oooold. RedHat has TT support out of the box now. > So you are sayin that in order for someone to get TT's they should purchase a > brand new RedHat and reinstall? No, I'm saying if you're running RedHat 6.0 or newer you just have to put some fonts in the appropriate dir and restart xfstt and restart X. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 30 08:46:53 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > NOT ONVOY!!!! Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional cost. Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not that dangerous a gamble. Andy > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jh at sgi.com Fri Jun 30 08:49:36 2000 From: jh at sgi.com (jh@sgi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" at Jun 30, 2000 12:19:54 AM Message-ID: <200006301349.IAA01339@tux.americas.sgi.com> Why not Onvoy? I've been very happy with them. I also get local phone service from them now, avoiding US West altogether. I will say that when I signed up a couple of months ago, Onvoy was experiencing growing pains. A service rep I talked to was new and had to go ask someone else questions, and also when Covad installed the line, it was two people, with one in training. I think in this industry, *everyone* is growing, and you'll not find a company that doesn't have people who can report both both good and bad experiences. My personal experience is that US West sucks, and Onvoy at least wanted my business, and was sincere in trying to help me out. John Thomas T. Veldhouse writes: > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Phil Plumbo wrote: > > > Speak of the devil. I just called Covad to see about gettign an SDSL line > > here in Eagan - they say that our location is covered, although "subject to > > verification". > > > > The sales rep rattled off a list of ISPs, which she said were my only > > choices: bignet, cais, exario, fastpoint, firstworld, internet > > communications, envoy, speakeasy, & voicenet. The only one I have ever heard > > about was Envoy, and I couldn't recall if that was because it was so good, > > or so bad. > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 HPC Linux SGI --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jh at sgi.com Fri Jun 30 08:52:16 2000 From: jh at sgi.com (jh@sgi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: from "andy@theasis.com" at Jun 30, 2000 08:46:53 AM Message-ID: <200006301352.IAA01351@tux.americas.sgi.com> Onvoy may give you installation free, but they have disconnect charges, especially if you cancel early. If you have multiple options, take the time to compare plans... John andy@theasis.com writes: > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > cost. > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not > that dangerous a gamble. > > Andy > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 -- John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 HPC Linux SGI --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 09:05:27 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: Message-ID: <00be01bfe29c$3e70ab10$dd29680a@tgt.com> Or wait for three months for an alternative - versus being stuck with Onvoy for a year :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > cost. > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not > that dangerous a gamble. > > Andy > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 09:08:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <200006301349.IAA01339@tux.americas.sgi.com> Message-ID: <00c501bfe29c$aeaa38b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Onvoy (formerly known as MRNet) used to supply MediaOne - and very badly at that. They constantly had saturation problem on various links - especially the link from here to Chicago. The problem has occurred in the past so many times - that I wouldn't trust them with my business until I know that things have cleaned up a bit. I haven't heard to many bad things lately - so they may be on the right track - but I will reserve judgement for at least another 9 months - before I would ever consider a one-year contract with them. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > Why not Onvoy? I've been very happy with them. > I also get local phone service from them now, > avoiding US West altogether. > > I will say that when I signed up a couple of months ago, > Onvoy was experiencing growing pains. A service rep > I talked to was new and had to go ask someone else > questions, and also when Covad installed the line, > it was two people, with one in training. > > I think in this industry, *everyone* is growing, > and you'll not find a company that doesn't have > people who can report both both good and bad experiences. > > My personal experience is that US West sucks, > and Onvoy at least wanted my business, and was > sincere in trying to help me out. > > John > > Thomas T. Veldhouse writes: > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Phil Plumbo wrote: > > > > > Speak of the devil. I just called Covad to see about gettign an SDSL line > > > here in Eagan - they say that our location is covered, although "subject to > > > verification". > > > > > > The sales rep rattled off a list of ISPs, which she said were my only > > > choices: bignet, cais, exario, fastpoint, firstworld, internet > > > communications, envoy, speakeasy, & voicenet. The only one I have ever heard > > > about was Envoy, and I couldn't recall if that was because it was so good, > > > or so bad. > > > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > -- > John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com > Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 > HPC Linux > SGI > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 30 09:11:35 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <00be01bfe29c$3e70ab10$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: > Or wait for three months for an alternative - versus being stuck with Onvoy > for a year :) Yeah, I've been waiting 3 months for an alternative for about 2 years now. Some of us won't be reachable by cable or DSL for quite some time yet, even though both were supposed to happen before Jan 2000. Andy > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Jun 30 09:22:16 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <00be01bfe29c$3e70ab10$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <395CAD18.2D9BB678@innominatus.com> I have a 768k/768k dsl pipe from onvoy with a Flowpoint Managable Router. I am happy with the connection. I am not happy with the customer service. They tried to charge me $763 my second month of service. That included all the installation fees and modem fees again, which were waived in the first place cuz of their special DEAL. After talking with 3 rep's the bill was finally only $8, which of course is good! I like onvoy. They let you run whatever services you want, they entered a reverse dns entry for a buddy of mine's domain (which i have yet to do). The main thing I like is playing Quake III at about 30 ping on average. And when I play with my friend at the U of M Morris campus its usually 20 becuase they use mr.net. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Or wait for three months for an alternative - versus being stuck with Onvoy > for a year :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > > > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. > > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem > > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > > cost. > > > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not > > that dangerous a gamble. > > > > Andy > > > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: > 651-456-1400 > > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: > 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 09:20:23 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: Message-ID: <010701bfe29e$54a590b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Just don't snag the first because it is first - until you do your research. Usually a second and a third are sure to follow (cable Internet being the exception). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > Or wait for three months for an alternative - versus being stuck with Onvoy > > for a year :) > > Yeah, I've been waiting 3 months for an alternative for about 2 years now. > Some of us won't be reachable by cable or DSL for quite some time yet, > even though both were supposed to happen before Jan 2000. > > Andy > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Jun 30 09:26:41 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: <010701bfe29e$54a590b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: At the moment it's looking like cable will be here first, and I'll hang onto the ISDN as well, using cable for just gaming and big downloads. Not ideal, but will give me a nice little internal routing problem. Andy > Just don't snag the first because it is first - until you do your research. > Usually a second and a third are sure to follow (cable Internet being the > exception). > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 09:42:40 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: Message-ID: <012f01bfe2a1$71587da0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Why bother with ISDN if you have cable? I can see a latency - and perhaps reliability difference, but the extra costs must be horrendous. ISDN with the ISP costs is usually around $100/month alone. More so with all 128K available (both lines). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > At the moment it's looking like cable will be here first, and I'll hang > onto the ISDN as well, using cable for just gaming and big downloads. Not > ideal, but will give me a nice little internal routing problem. > > Andy > > > Just don't snag the first because it is first - until you do your research. > > Usually a second and a third are sure to follow (cable Internet being the > > exception). > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cpatten at trimodalinc.com Fri Jun 30 09:50:12 2000 From: cpatten at trimodalinc.com (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19366] VISI.COM (RE: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service) In-Reply-To: <20000629145834.U12387@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <000e01bfe2a2$7e8e5660$a7c809c0@carl> I've just been to dslreports.com, and must say that Visi.com is making a very good impression there! At least 75% of their comments are positive, which is much better than the 6 or 7 other DSL ISPs I looked at. Also, actual Visi employees monitor the comments there and respond. I'm moving in 2 weeks to a region where MediaOne only provides 1-way cable modem service, so DSL is looking very appealing right now. -- Carl Patten Soon to be ex-I.T. Manager Trimodal Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Jun 30 13:12:27 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19367] Spare parts Message-ID: <1718220006530181227716@black-hole.com> Does anyone have a use for a 17" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro monitor from a Sun Sparc station with the 3M13 connector. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Fri Jun 30 13:34:03 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19366] VISI.COM (RE: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service) In-Reply-To: "Carl Patten"'s message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:50:12 -0500" References: <000e01bfe2a2$7e8e5660$a7c809c0@carl> Message-ID: "Carl Patten" writes: > I'm moving in 2 weeks to a region where MediaOne only provides 1-way cable > modem service, so DSL is looking very appealing right now. Are they still installing 1-way cable modems? I was under the impression they would only install 2-way cable modems and if you're in a 1-way zone, too bad. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe schewe@tcfreenet.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Fri Jun 30 13:34:44 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19367] Spare parts In-Reply-To: "Brian Toberman"'s message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:12:27 -0500" References: <1718220006530181227716@black-hole.com> Message-ID: "Brian Toberman" writes: > Does anyone have a use for a 17" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro monitor from > a Sun Sparc station with the 3M13 connector. Isn't that the one for a Sparc Classic? If so yes. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe schewe@tcfreenet.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cpatte at trimodalinc.com Fri Jun 30 13:52:44 2000 From: cpatte at trimodalinc.com (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19366] VISI.COM (RE: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801bfe2c4$603337e0$a7c809c0@carl> What you say is true. I begged and pleaded and groveled. They made an exception. YMWDV[1]. -- Carl Patten [1] Your Mileage Will Definitely Vary. > -----Original Message----- > From: jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net [mailto:jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 1:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19366] VISI.COM (RE: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable > service) > > > "Carl Patten" writes: > > > I'm moving in 2 weeks to a region where MediaOne only provides > 1-way cable > > modem service, so DSL is looking very appealing right now. > > Are they still installing 1-way cable modems? I was under the > impression they > would only install 2-way cable modems and if you're in a 1-way > zone, too bad. > > -- > Jon Schewe > http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > schewe@tcfreenet.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jun 30 14:03:23 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19371] SourceForge Updates Message-ID: <20000630140323.H20695@real-time.com> Got an impressive list of SourceForge updates today. Has anyone played with SF to see if it's even possible to get it to run outside of VA's networks? The last 'release' has some many hard-coded things, it was impossible to get it to run here at Real Time. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bobdove at pipeline.com Fri Jun 30 14:50:41 2000 From: bobdove at pipeline.com (Bob W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bupls4569gkqobmeptrnvtprjqirsv591@4ax.com> Chuck: I have a friend who just went to work for what he called "U.S.Worst." He quoted their motto: "Things are bitter here." ;-) I'm just hanging around, waiting, as I'm 24000 feet front the U.S.Worst building in Cottage Grove. I'll wait. Things will happen - more cheaply. >I've had a dial-up ISP account with Mindspring for 2 years now and >been very happy with their availability and support. We have DSL >from USWorst because that's all that was available before the >Mindspring / Earthlink merger. Just some back of the napkin notes >from using the USWorst DSL with USWorst ISP and it seems that >somewhere things are over subscribed so the pipes to the net are full. > >Has anyone made the jump from USWorst to Mindspring / Earthlink? > >Do I keep the DSL service with USWorst and just move the ISP >connection to Earthlink or do I get it all from Earthlink? > >thanks >chuckc > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org wrote: >> I have a couple of friends down there that get chater service. One of them was >part of the beta setup. At that time he was getting 25K (And his intranet dhcp >server was being relayed over charter hehehehehe, anways), but now they both are >getting about 60K. > > >Mike Hicks wrote: > >> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: >> > >> > A friend of mine is using Charter in Apple Valley. It is much faster than >> > dial-up - but he is seeing 18KB/s downloads - which is far slower than what >> > they advertised (I believe it was advertised as 400Kb/s ~= 40KB/s). He is >> > getting less than 50%. >> >> Yuck! Your friend should complain! Loudly! >> >> -- >> _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Dinner not ready: (A)bort >> / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (R)etry (P)izza >> \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) >> [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Bob W. Anderson Newport, MN --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 30 14:35:10 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: <3959433B.BE7AAC63@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > well, you may have not excluded localhost from the blocking rules. You > should try running `telnet localhost 6000' when you have an X server > running -- if it connects, the port is open, and you should look > elsewhere to fix the problem. The default is to allow connects to the high ports(everything over 1020) so 5999:6003, like I set up in my rules, shouldn't be necessary. i have since removed it. I did `telnet 0 6000' from localhost and got this: Trying 0.0.0.0... Connected to 0. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. I am assuming this is an indication that the port is open and listening. `startx' still yeilds the same error. Any other ideas on why X might be broken? Side note: Anyone real savy with ipchains and want to start up a discussion on what's good/what's bad and what they'd consider a secured state for ipchains? Right now I am allowing http, ssh(I hope to get SSL working soon), ftp, and access on 6101 to one machine in our shop so Veritas can back me up(although I am unsure if the rules i set up for this are actually working correctly). I can ping out but no one can ping my machine but I don't have much more in the way of "security" on the box(excluding TCP wrappers and Portsentry). Anything else which might be beneficial as far as ipchains settings or other third party software? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Compsk8r34 at aol.com Fri Jun 30 14:51:10 2000 From: Compsk8r34 at aol.com (Compsk8r34@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 Message-ID: Hello, I am using linux mandrake 6.5 and i am trying to setup an internet connection. I made sure i dont have a winmodem. when i get everything setup using Kppp i click connect on the menu, it then comes up with a box that says "modem is not working" and when i try different ports i also get "modem is busy", if anyoen could help me out i would greatly appreciate it. Thank You Derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 30 17:39:39 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 References: Message-ID: <395D21AB.1B5A2B7C@tc.umn.edu> Derek, Your modem was not installed properly or if it was, you started a job which accessed the modem and probably exited. Go in as root to /dev and delete modem (rm modem) then run ln -s /dev/ttS0 /dev/modem [ from $..../root ] you may have to change the 0 after S to 1,2,3 until your modem gets detected. Everytime you change a number run minicmo from the command line and see if it queries the modem. You should get a message "OK" if the modem is properly installed. Don't forget to exit minicom by ctr-A then x . otherwise you may leave the modem locked again. :-} Apu Compsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > Hello, I am using linux mandrake 6.5 and i am trying to setup an internet > connection. I made sure i dont have a winmodem. when i get everything setup > using Kppp i click connect on the menu, it then comes up with a box that says > "modem is not working" and when i try different ports i also get "modem is > busy", if anyoen could help me out i would greatly appreciate it. > Thank You > Derek > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Fri Jun 30 15:55:38 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19376] Tyan K7 boards? Message-ID: people on the list have said good things about Tyan mobos, and I see that they have a K7 board now. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinityk7.html how well-supported are the IDE controller and sound chipset under Linux? I see that it comes with a 'driver disk'; which immediately makes me suspicious (since they probably aren't anything but Windows drivers...) I'm not necessarily going to run Linux on one of these things (I'm actually looking for a win98 setup here at work); but I'd like to look at the possibility down the road. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Jun 30 16:04:15 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19367] Spare parts In-Reply-To: <1718220006530181227716@black-hole.com> Message-ID: why yes I do.... I've got a sparc2 that needs a monitor! what's the deal with it? Colin Kilbane On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Brian Toberman wrote: > Does anyone have a use for a 17" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro monitor from > a Sun Sparc station with the 3M13 connector. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5UHElF12423 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:14:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 11271 invoked by uid 4000); 30 Jun 2000 17:00:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 11055 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2000 16:59:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630165956.6945.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: ravenmaster To: tclug-announce@mn-linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19365] Twin Cities PHP User Group meeting Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List Thought this might be of interest to the TCLUG group. There is a new PHP user group that recently formed in the Twin Cities. Our next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, July 13, at 6:30pm. Location: Dunn Brothers coffee shop 201 3rd Ave S Minneapolis, MN There's a conference room on the 2nd floor reserved under my name, Jenkins. Officially this is only our 2nd meeting and at this point we're not sure of the topic but hope to have one before the meeting. Chris Moewes started the group. The official web site is at: http://www.moewes.com/tcphp.php3. There's a link at the bottom of the page to signup for our mailing list. Chris also has another site that might be of interest to TCLUGers: http://www.linuxnovice.org/. If your interested in PHP, stop by and have some coffee with us. -- -scot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 30 22:33:35 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 References: Message-ID: <395D668F.EF5E3DD@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know how can I configure my time warner road runner service with linux? I also seem to have problems with ethernet card. (it's onboard and linux cannot detect it.) Any help would be greatly appreciated. apu Compsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > Hello, I am using linux mandrake 6.5 and i am trying to setup an internet > connection. I made sure i dont have a winmodem. when i get everything setup > using Kppp i click connect on the menu, it then comes up with a box that says > "modem is not working" and when i try different ports i also get "modem is > busy", if anyoen could help me out i would greatly appreciate it. > Thank You > Derek > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 21:44:08 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19366] VISI.COM (RE: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No - they do not install one-way modems anymore. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On 30 Jun 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > "Carl Patten" writes: > > > I'm moving in 2 weeks to a region where MediaOne only provides 1-way cable > > modem service, so DSL is looking very appealing right now. > > Are they still installing 1-way cable modems? I was under the impression they > would only install 2-way cable modems and if you're in a 1-way zone, too bad. > > -- > Jon Schewe > http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > schewe@tcfreenet.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 21:52:08 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19376] Tyan K7 boards? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: More than likely it has a VIA 686A chipset or the AMD 756 chipset - eithe r of which are supported by the UDMA patch that you can get from kernel.org. The BIOS is another matter - if it doesn't report things nicely - you may have to use hdparm to force the use of DMA. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > people on the list have said good things about Tyan mobos, and > I see that they have a K7 board now. > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinityk7.html > > how well-supported are the IDE controller and sound chipset under > Linux? I see that it comes with a 'driver disk'; which immediately > makes me suspicious (since they probably aren't anything but Windows > drivers...) > > I'm not necessarily going to run Linux on one of these things (I'm > actually looking for a win98 setup here at work); but I'd like to look > at the possibility down the road. > > Carl Soderstrom > _________________________________________ > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Fri Jun 30 21:56:05 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19376] Tyan K7 boards? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It has a KX133 chipset, which has the Via 686a southbridge. It works fine on my FIC SD11 motherboard in Linux. I'm not so sure about the onboard sound, though. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > More than likely it has a VIA 686A chipset or the AMD 756 chipset - eithe > r of which are supported by the UDMA patch that you can get from > kernel.org. The BIOS is another matter - if it doesn't report things > nicely - you may have to use hdparm to force the use of DMA. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > people on the list have said good things about Tyan mobos, and > > I see that they have a K7 board now. > > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinityk7.html > > > > how well-supported are the IDE controller and sound chipset under > > Linux? I see that it comes with a 'driver disk'; which immediately > > makes me suspicious (since they probably aren't anything but Windows > > drivers...) > > > > I'm not necessarily going to run Linux on one of these things (I'm > > actually looking for a win98 setup here at work); but I'd like to look > > at the possibility down the road. > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > _________________________________________ > > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 21:57:51 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 In-Reply-To: <395D668F.EF5E3DD@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: The cards MediaOne are giving out are Asante 10/100 cards - which are compatible with the tulip driver in kernels 2.2.14 and newer. You can steal the tulip.c kernel from a later kernel for use in an earlier kernel if need be. Mandrake 6.5 is certainly not new enough to contain the required kernel. Under FreeBSD (in case you are interested), the same card will use the mx driver under 3.6-RELEASE and it will use the dc driver under 4.0-RELEASE. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Apu wrote: > Does anyone know how can I configure my time warner road runner service with > linux? I also seem to have problems with ethernet card. (it's onboard and linux > cannot detect it.) Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > apu > > > Compsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > > > Hello, I am using linux mandrake 6.5 and i am trying to setup an internet > > connection. I made sure i dont have a winmodem. when i get everything setup > > using Kppp i click connect on the menu, it then comes up with a box that says > > "modem is not working" and when i try different ports i also get "modem is > > busy", if anyoen could help me out i would greatly appreciate it. > > Thank You > > Derek > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jun 30 22:01:01 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19376] Tyan K7 boards? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The onboard sound is the VIA 686a audio - which is also supported under more recent kernels. The ALSA drivers also support this audio chip (at least version 0.5.8 does. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > It has a KX133 chipset, which has the Via 686a southbridge. It works fine > on my FIC SD11 motherboard in Linux. I'm not so sure about the onboard > sound, though. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > More than likely it has a VIA 686A chipset or the AMD 756 chipset - eithe > > r of which are supported by the UDMA patch that you can get from > > kernel.org. The BIOS is another matter - if it doesn't report things > > nicely - you may have to use hdparm to force the use of DMA. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > > people on the list have said good things about Tyan mobos, and > > > I see that they have a K7 board now. > > > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinityk7.html > > > > > > how well-supported are the IDE controller and sound chipset under > > > Linux? I see that it comes with a 'driver disk'; which immediately > > > makes me suspicious (since they probably aren't anything but Windows > > > drivers...) > > > > > > I'm not necessarily going to run Linux on one of these things (I'm > > > actually looking for a win98 setup here at work); but I'd like to look > > > at the possibility down the road. > > > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > > _________________________________________ > > > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > > > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > > > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 30 22:29:29 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19384] IPCHAINS/ipmasqadm Message-ID: Hi, Oh, I've finally moved my firewall/NAT to a seperate box than my desktop. My network looks like this now: | [mail 192.168.0.1] 206.147.x.x 192.168.0.100 | [www 192.168.0.10] -DSL--[Firewall]------[Switch]----| [workstation a 192.168.0.20] | [workstation b 192.168.0.21] Now, the NAT thinggie is port-forwarding stuff over to the internal network. For example, www.yaron.org is DNSed as 206.147.x.x. The firewall forwards port 80 to the internal 192.168.0.10. This all works fine, except from th internal network. The firewall does NOT redirect stuff coming in from the internal net. I've got a couple of workarounds - /etc/hosts or hosts.txt files on the workstations, or setting up an alternate DNS for the internal network, but I'd like to have the firewall do it's thing. I'm using ipchains 1.3.9 and ipmasqadm 0.4.2, on kernel 2.2.16. IPCHAINS is ACCEPTing the packets from the internal net, but then they vanish. Here's the IPCHAINS rule: ACCEPT tcp ----l- anywhere beldaren.yaron.org any -> www And ipmasqadm: TCP beldaren.yaron.org dragon.yaron.org www www 3 10 Anyone? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From destef at mail.destef.com Wed Jun 7 12:16:13 2000 From: destef at mail.destef.com (destef@mail.destef.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS from one board to the other? Just a shot in the dark idea. Jason On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run without a video card. > I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the machine without > the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over the network, and > then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. Sometimes it will reboot > even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS that's causing it. > Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem with the hardware. > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade the BIOS and see > if that helps. I know the board will work without a video card, as many > companies who make x86 based network appliances use this exact same board. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ksm at dogbrain.com Thu Jun 1 23:07:07 2000 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18539] Tiny laptop firewall distro suggestions, please In-Reply-To: ; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 10:49:48PM -0500 References: <200006020347.WAA23239@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000601230707.A1156@dogbrain.com> coyote is just fine. I use it on a 486/33 with 12Mb ram. It boots from a single floppy, uses ipchains, and can run ssh also. No hard drive necessary. http://www.coyotelinux.com/ Regards - Karl On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 10:49:48PM -0500, Tim Sandquist wrote: > > I'd also look at Coyote linux. > Nothing against Slack but Coyote is built off LRP and is made for > routing/firewall stuff. > > I haven't tried it yet so I don't know how well it works, but > it sounds pretty cool. > From ksm at dogbrain.com Thu Jun 8 17:16:44 2000 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18672] Hidding SMTP info? In-Reply-To: <200006081344.IAA13697@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:44:32AM -0500 References: <00060805282300.04607@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <200006081344.IAA13697@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000608171644.E2197@dogbrain.com> Nullclient is a very useful configuration. But I think what bob is asking is if there is a way to change the sendmail behaviour regarding how a Received header is inserted into the message for each hop that an email might take. Other posters have asked this on comp.mail.sendmail and the answer has been that you would need to modify source code to do this. Realize that you could modify the received header in the M4, or resulting cf file but then you would most likely lose real (and perhaps valuable) header info by doing that. The inability to trace a message because you decided not to include host, ident, time info in an email header etc. - Karl On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:44:32AM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > Actually, you want to add the line > > FEATURE(nullclient, machine-you-want-to-masquerade-as.com) > > to your sendmail.mc file and then build your sendmail.cf file. Editing your cf > file directly is usually not a good idea, and it's so cryptic, why would you > want to? You'll only need a few lines in the mc file: > > divert(0)dnl > VERSIONID(`@(#)clientproto.mc 8.12 (Berkeley) 5/19/98') > > OSTYPE(solaris2) > FEATURE(nullclient, machine-you-want-to-masquerade-as.com) > > This file was derived from some of the other example mc files included with the > sendmail source. > > Gabe > > > > > There's a line in your sendmail.cf that allows you to masquerade as a particlar > > domain. > > > > For example, My line is set to masquerade as ardent-hacker.net rather than > > armageddon.ardent-hacker.net. All other machines are also masqueraded as well. > > > > goofy.ardent-hacker.net--->ardent-hacker.net > > forefront.ardent-hacker.net--->ardent-hacker.net > > and even: > > mailserver.ardent-hacker.net--->ardent-hacker.net > > > > hope this helps. > > > > Eric F Crist > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > > Our network behind the firewall has grown to a point where we now have a > > > central mail server, which all client machines relay their email to. This > > > central server then works with the firewall to securely deliver the smtp > > > traffic to the Internet. > > > > > > The problem is now there is a 'security' problem because sendmail stamps the > > > message at each hop, so our internal domain is being broadcast to the world. > > > > > > For instance, you get > > > > > > Received: (from tanner@localhost) > > > by bobs.machine.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e587MZb06706; > > > Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:22:35 -0500 > > > > > > Here you can see that our internal domain is 'machine.real-time.com' and that > > > my computer's host name is 'bobs'. > > > > > > Received: (from tanner@bobs.machine.real-time.com) > > > by mailserver.machine.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e587MZb06706; > > > Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:22:35 -0500 > > > > > > Here you can see that our internal domain is 'machine.real-time.com' and that > > > the central mail server is called mail server. > > > > > > etc, etc, etc... > > > > > > Anyone to protect this info? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Squeak! Squeak! Squeak, I tell ya Squeak!!" > - Ren Hoek in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Karl Morgan http://www.dogbrain.com From ksm at dogbrain.com Fri Jun 23 15:37:47 2000 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? In-Reply-To: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500 References: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000623153747.A25607@dogbrain.com> I had to once, i couldn't get through on the published phone number. Like you are seeing, everything is busy. I ended up calling a random extension at NSI . I got somebody who happily transferred me to where I wanted to be. Real lame - Karl On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have been trying to contact Network Solutions via phone for the last 4 days, > I get all circuits busy. Has anyone ever gotten through to these people? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Karl Morgan http://www.dogbrain.com From ksm at dogbrain.com Fri Jun 23 15:37:47 2000 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? In-Reply-To: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500 References: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000623153747.A25607@dogbrain.com> I had to once, i couldn't get through on the published phone number. Like you are seeing, everything is busy. I ended up calling a random extension at NSI . I got somebody who happily transferred me to where I wanted to be. Real lame - Karl On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have been trying to contact Network Solutions via phone for the last 4 days, > I get all circuits busy. Has anyone ever gotten through to these people? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Karl Morgan http://www.dogbrain.com