From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 01:40:42 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 References: Message-ID: <395D926A.27CA4B87@tc.umn.edu> Here is the scenerio: My one machine is running win98 with the road runner service. I have got a second pc which is quite old and I have installed linux mandrake 7 on it. It is an old dell and has the ethernet on the motherboard. Mandrake was not able to find the ethernet card. What should I do? After getting the card installed, how do I set it up for cable modem? (assuming I am using a hub for two computers). Anyone? apu "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > The cards MediaOne are giving out are Asante 10/100 cards - which are > compatible with the tulip driver in kernels 2.2.14 and newer. You can > steal the tulip.c kernel from a later kernel for use in an earlier kernel > if need be. Mandrake 6.5 is certainly not new enough to contain the > required kernel. > > Under FreeBSD (in case you are interested), the same card will use the mx > driver under 3.6-RELEASE and it will use the dc driver under 4.0-RELEASE. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Apu wrote: > > > Does anyone know how can I configure my time warner road runner service with > > linux? I also seem to have problems with ethernet card. (it's onboard and linux > > cannot detect it.) Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > apu > > > > > > Compsk8r34@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hello, I am using linux mandrake 6.5 and i am trying to setup an internet > > > connection. I made sure i dont have a winmodem. when i get everything setup > > > using Kppp i click connect on the menu, it then comes up with a box that says > > > "modem is not working" and when i try different ports i also get "modem is > > > busy", if anyoen could help me out i would greatly appreciate it. > > > Thank You > > > Derek > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Jul 1 00:17:31 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19384] IPCHAINS/ipmasqadm In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:29:29PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000701001731.A6842@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:29:29PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Oh, I've finally moved my firewall/NAT to a seperate box than my > desktop. My network looks like this now: > > | [mail 192.168.0.1] > 206.147.x.x 192.168.0.100 | [www 192.168.0.10] > -DSL--[Firewall]------[Switch]----| [workstation a 192.168.0.20] > | [workstation b 192.168.0.21] > > Now, the NAT thinggie is port-forwarding stuff over to the internal > network. For example, www.yaron.org is DNSed as 206.147.x.x. The firewall > forwards port 80 to the internal 192.168.0.10. > > This all works fine, except from th internal network. The firewall does > NOT redirect stuff coming in from the internal net. This is a shortcoming in the firewall code, but not necessarily a bug. I didn't figure this one out myself the first time around, and it isn't well documented. Basically, the ipchains and ipmasqadm tools don't allow for two-way portforwarding. Your packets simply get lost. So, what you'll need to do is set up an ipchains rule to redirect traffic destined for your Internet resolved address for the web server to a local port on the firewall. Then use a proxy to forward traffic from that local port to the web server. That is, if you still do not want to maintain a private DNS for your Intranet. > I've got a couple of workarounds - /etc/hosts or hosts.txt files on the > workstations, or setting up an alternate DNS for the internal network, but > I'd like to have the firewall do it's thing. Sorry, it simply won't. There may be other ways to get around this, but the 2.2 ipchains and ipmasqadm won't do it other than the way I described above. > I'm using ipchains 1.3.9 and ipmasqadm 0.4.2, on kernel 2.2.16. IPCHAINS > is ACCEPTing the packets from the internal net, but then they vanish. Yep. That'll happen. > Here's the IPCHAINS rule: > ACCEPT tcp ----l- anywhere beldaren.yaron.org any -> www > > And ipmasqadm: > TCP beldaren.yaron.org dragon.yaron.org www www 3 10 I'd go with either the redirect-to-local+proxy route as deployed for transparent proxying with squid. You can use the proxy daemon for just about any protocol. You could probably also set up an ssh tunnel from the local firewall port to the Intranet-based web server. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000701/f9f60861/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 1 00:31:53 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19384] IPCHAINS/ipmasqadm In-Reply-To: <20000701001731.A6842@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Hi, > This is a shortcoming in the firewall code, but not necessarily a bug. I didn't think it's a bug, I thought it's some weird configuration thing I could not find documentation for. > > I've got a couple of workarounds - /etc/hosts or hosts.txt files on the > > workstations, or setting up an alternate DNS for the internal network, but > > I'd like to have the firewall do it's thing. > Sorry, it simply won't. Good thing I have a couple of workarounds already worked out, then. > I'd go with either the redirect-to-local+proxy route as deployed for > transparent proxying with squid. That's nice for http/ftp. Not too useful for pop/imap/ssh/etc. Since my network's small, I guess hosts files will work fine. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 01:14:23 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... References: Message-ID: <395D8C3F.88B9D933@tc.umn.edu> mjn wrote: > > > well, you may have not excluded localhost from the blocking rules. You > > should try running `telnet localhost 6000' when you have an X server > > running -- if it connects, the port is open, and you should look > > elsewhere to fix the problem. > > The default is to allow connects to the high ports(everything over > 1020) so 5999:6003, like I set up in my rules, shouldn't be necessary. i > have since removed it. > > I did `telnet 0 6000' from localhost and got this: > > Trying 0.0.0.0... > Connected to 0. > Escape character is '^]'. > Connection closed by foreign host. Hmm.. well, that's interesting.. However, you should have been trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 (the local loopback IP address). Incidentally, I wonder what would happen if a person were to try to ping 0.0.0.0 (/me shudders at what *could* happen..) > I am assuming this is an indication that the port is open and > listening. `startx' still yeilds the same error. > > Any other ideas on why X might be broken? Did I say anything about xauth in my last message? That may be the culprit.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ On an electrician's / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ truck: Let Us Remove \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Your Shorts [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 10:11:37 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... In-Reply-To: <395D8C3F.88B9D933@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Hmm.. well, that's interesting.. However, you should have been trying > to connect to 127.0.0.1 (the local loopback IP address). Incidentally, > I wonder what would happen if a person were to try to ping 0.0.0.0 (/me > shudders at what *could* happen..) [root@monolith /etc]# ping 0.0.0.0 PING 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) from 127.0.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.0 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.0 ms --- 0.0.0.0 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 0.0/0.0/0.0 ms [root@monolith /etc]# telnet 127.0.0.1 6000 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to 127.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. [root@monolith /etc]# > Did I say anything about xauth in my last message? That may be the > culprit.. Well there is no active xauth process and aside from that I cannot remember where I need to go and see if I have commented it out(I remember a file in /etc but it is escaping me now). The answer is sitting just out side the left half my brain and I cannot reach it. If xauth is the culprit, what might I do to remedy the situation? Thanks ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Sat Jul 1 10:21:06 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Remember, whomever you buy service from in this area is utterly dependent on USWorst to provide them with service so that they can sell it to you. USWest obstructing service is about as likely as the ocean being wet. Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > cost. > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not > that dangerous a gamble. > > Andy > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Jul 1 11:10:16 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts Message-ID: <395E17E8.C6375ABF@black-hole.com> OK her's what's going on, I picked up 2 Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 17" monitors, model TFS6705SETK man date June 1992, they are Sparc monitors, with the 3M13 connector on back as well as 15 p VGA connector, I have been unable to get them to work with my video card. I paid $50 apece for them, they were working fine when I picked them up. I now know why he was letting me have them so cheap. The reason they were letting themgo was the Sun systems were getting 21" mitsu monitors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 12:00:54 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts In-Reply-To: <395E17E8.C6375ABF@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Do you want to try one on a sparc... Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Jul 1 13:12:05 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts In-Reply-To: <395E17E8.C6375ABF@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 11:10:16AM -0500 References: <395E17E8.C6375ABF@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000701131205.A25988@ringworld.org> * Brian T [000701 11:09]: > monitors, with the 3M13 connector on back as well as 15 p VGA 13w3 connectors. Dexis has an adaptor for 13w3->vga. Then i use a matrox g200 or 400 with CompositeSync (i made a patch for the card to do this, should be in X4.0.1, otherwise poke me for it) and a modeline and ive got a 19in composite sync monitor :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 14:00:05 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19205] X Problem... References: Message-ID: <395E3FB5.577CF1B6@tc.umn.edu> mjn wrote: > > [root@monolith /etc]# telnet 127.0.0.1 6000 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to 127.0.0.1. > Escape character is '^]'. > Connection closed by foreign host. > [root@monolith /etc]# Hmm, it looks to me as though the port is actually open, and it did open a connection (though the connection was immediately closed). If your IPchains rules were blocking connections, you would have gotten a `connection refused' message. > > Did I say anything about xauth in my last message? That may be the > > culprit.. > > Well there is no active xauth process and aside from that I cannot > remember where I need to go and see if I have commented it out(I remember > a file in /etc but it is escaping me now). The answer is sitting just out > side the left half my brain and I cannot reach it. If xauth is the > culprit, what might I do to remedy the situation? Well, xauth is not a process, it's just an authorization mechanism for X Windows. There *is* an xauth program used to generate the `cookies' used to authorize the connections. Unfortunately, I don't exactly understand how the whole thing works, and I don't know how to generate the correct values.. You should be able to run `xauth list' to see what cookies you have available on your system. I *think* that you can force X to regenerate the cookies by deleting the cookies file. It's location should be specified by the $XAUTHORITY environment variable. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm not nearly as think / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ as you confused I am. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cory at real-time.com Sat Jul 1 14:53:29 2000 From: cory at real-time.com (cory@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19395] Re: SourceForge Updates Message-ID: <395E4C39.9DBB7E83@real-time.com> Bob wrote: > Got an impressive list of SourceForge updates today. > > Has anyone played with SF to see if it's even possible to get it to run > outside of VA's networks? > > The last 'release' has some many hard-coded things, it was impossible to get > it to run here at Real Time. I haven't, but I have been coveting their web based CVS browser code for some time now. I hope to bring it into the work place some day once we have moved from RCS to CVS. What parts of SF are you interested in? There is a lot of functionality there of which I am only interested in a small portion of. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Sat Jul 1 17:39:04 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18625] Lets have even more eOne fun. In-Reply-To: <3945BBEA.900D357D@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: on 6/12/00 11:43 PM, Mike Hicks at hick0088@tc.umn.edu wrote: > "Andrew S. Zbikowski" wrote: >> >>> >>>> [1] Does your kernel have iso9660 filesystem support compiled in? >>> >>> I have no idea, how would I find out. >>> >>>> [2] Are you loading the modules needed to support the ISO fs? >>> >> >> Is your cdrom a Mitsumi LU-005, FX-001 and FX-001D? These are older, non >> standard cdroms, and would need special drivers. > > They also usually have nonstandard controllers, IIRC, and would not be > on the IDE bus. > >> If you have a standard cdrom (all new machines should...) try `modprobe >> cdrom` > > should that be something like `modprobe ide-cdrom' instead? I guess you > should just look for the correct module by running modprobe cdrom modprobe : Can't locate module cdrom modprobe ide-crom modprobe : Can't locate module ide-cdrom > > find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name "*cdrom*" > running that gives me, /lib/modules/2.2.14/cdrom >> If that didn't work, cdrom support is compile in to your kernel, or it >> isn't compiled at all. > > I'm guessing the first option, with cdrom support as a module.. > >> Are you sure your cdrom is hdc? > > this can be determined by looking at the boot logs, BTW. Try running > `dmesg', or looking in the /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/messages files. > This is my messages file: --- Jul 1 15:56:03 linux syslogd 1.3-3: restart. Jul 1 15:56:05 linux /usr/sbin/cron[135]: (CRON) STARTUP (fork ok) Jul 1 15:56:05 linux in.identd[139]: started Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.2.14 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Loaded 9053 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.2.14. Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.2.14. Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Loaded 91 symbols from 6 modules. Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.11 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: kernel build: 2.2.14 #1 Sat Mar 25 00:46:59 GMT 2000 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: PCI routing table version 1.0 at 0xfdf50 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: 00:0d.0 -> irq 5 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: 00:0d.1 -> irq 5 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: Intel PCIC probe: Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: TI 1225 PCI-to-CardBus at slot 00:0d, mem 0x68000000 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: host opts [0]: [ring] [serial pci & irq] [pci irq 5] [lat 168/176] [bus 32/34] Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: host opts [1]: [ring] [serial pci & irq] [pci irq 5] [lat 168/176] [bus 35/37] Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: ISA irqs (scanned) = 3,4,7,10,11,15 PCI status changes Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: excluding 0xcf8-0xcff Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean. Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x290-0x297 0x370-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7 Jul 1 15:56:06 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. Jul 1 15:57:23 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) Jul 1 15:59:16 linux su: (to root) lordxoi on /dev/tty1 Jul 1 15:59:16 linux PAM-unix2[189]: session started for user root, service su Jul 1 15:59:52 linux PAM-unix2[189]: session finished for user root, service su Jul 1 16:00:03 linux su: (to nobody) root on none Jul 1 16:00:03 linux PAM-unix2[298]: session started for user nobody, service su Jul 1 16:00:05 linux PAM-unix2[298]: session finished for user nobody, service su Jul 1 16:04:03 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) Jul 1 16:04:03 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 Jul 1 16:04:03 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) Jul 1 16:04:03 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 Jul 1 16:28:35 linux syslogd 1.3-3: restart. Jul 1 16:28:37 linux /usr/sbin/cron[135]: (CRON) STARTUP (fork ok) Jul 1 16:28:37 linux in.identd[139]: started Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.2.14 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Loaded 9053 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.2.14. Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.2.14. Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Loaded 91 symbols from 6 modules. Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.11 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: kernel build: 2.2.14 #1 Sat Mar 25 00:46:59 GMT 2000 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: PCI routing table version 1.0 at 0xfdf50 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: 00:0d.0 -> irq 5 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: 00:0d.1 -> irq 5 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: Intel PCIC probe: Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: TI 1225 PCI-to-CardBus at slot 00:0d, mem 0x68000000 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: host opts [0]: [ring] [serial pci & irq] [pci irq 5] [lat 168/176] [bus 32/34] Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: host opts [1]: [ring] [serial pci & irq] [pci irq 5] [lat 168/176] [bus 35/37] Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: ISA irqs (scanned) = 3,4,7,10,11,15 PCI status changes Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: excluding 0xcf8-0xcff Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean. Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x290-0x297 0x370-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7 Jul 1 16:28:38 linux kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. Jul 1 16:48:21 linux su: (to root) lordxoi on /dev/tty1 Jul 1 16:48:21 linux PAM-unix2[218]: session started for user root, service su Jul 1 16:59:40 linux PAM-unix2[218]: session finished for user root, service su Jul 1 17:01:15 linux su: (to root) lordxoi on /dev/tty1 Jul 1 17:01:15 linux PAM-unix2[264]: session started for user root, service su Jul 1 17:06:39 linux PAM-unix2[264]: session finished for user root, service su Jul 1 17:08:56 linux su: (to root) lordxoi on /dev/tty1 Jul 1 17:08:56 linux PAM-unix2[281]: session started for user root, service su Jul 1 17:20:23 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) --- I did manage to get my floppy drive working with a simple: mount /floppy but mount /cdrom didn't work --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 18:38:40 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18625] Lets have even more eOne fun. References: Message-ID: <395E8100.83E33F54@tc.umn.edu> Lord Xoi wrote: > > > should that be something like `modprobe ide-cdrom' instead? I guess you > > should just look for the correct module by running > > modprobe cdrom > > modprobe : Can't locate module cdrom > > modprobe ide-crom > > modprobe : Can't locate module ide-cdrom oops, my mistake.. perhaps you need to try `modprobe ide-cd' > >> Are you sure your cdrom is hdc? > > > > this can be determined by looking at the boot logs, BTW. Try running > > `dmesg', or looking in the /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/messages files. > > This is my messages file: [snip messages] Hmm, that looked very strange.. I didn't see (m)any ordinary boot messages. Perhaps all of that stuff got dumped into /var/log/dmesg. Either that, or run `dmesg' just after you boot.. In the boot messages, you should see something similar to this: hdd: [model name], ATAPI CDROM drive . . . hdd: hdd: ATAPI CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache ...if it's an ordinary IDE drive, at least.. > I did manage to get my floppy drive working with a simple: > > mount /floppy > > but > > mount /cdrom > > didn't work Floppies have fairly standardized controllers (at least on x86), so it's not surprising that it works. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ HAL 9000: Dave. Put down / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ those Windows disks, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Dave. DAVE! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Sat Jul 1 19:39:46 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18625] Lets have even more eOne fun. In-Reply-To: <395E8100.83E33F54@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: on 7/1/00 6:38 PM, Mike Hicks at hick0088@tc.umn.edu wrote: > Lord Xoi wrote: >> >>> should that be something like `modprobe ide-cdrom' instead? I guess you >>> should just look for the correct module by running >> >> modprobe cdrom >> >> modprobe : Can't locate module cdrom >> >> modprobe ide-crom >> >> modprobe : Can't locate module ide-cdrom > > oops, my mistake.. perhaps you need to try `modprobe ide-cd' > same response with that as well. >>>> Are you sure your cdrom is hdc? >>> >>> this can be determined by looking at the boot logs, BTW. Try running >>> `dmesg', or looking in the /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/messages files. >> >> This is my messages file: > [snip messages] > > Hmm, that looked very strange.. I didn't see (m)any ordinary boot > messages. Perhaps all of that stuff got dumped into /var/log/dmesg. > Either that, or run `dmesg' just after you boot.. > > In the boot messages, you should see something similar to this: > > hdd: [model name], ATAPI CDROM drive > . > . > . > hdd: hdd: ATAPI CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache > > ...if it's an ordinary IDE drive, at least.. > I don't see anything like that. here is the output from the 'dmesg' --- Linux version 2.2.14 (root@Laptop.suse.de) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #1 Sat Mar 25 00:46:59 GMT 2000 Detected 434324331 Hz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 865.08 BogoMIPS Memory: 62276k/65472k available (1428k kernel code, 412k reserved, 968k data, 68k init, 0k bigmem) Dentry hash table entries: 8192 (order 4, 64k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 65536 (order 6, 256k) Page cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized CPU: Intel Celeron (Mendocino) stepping 05 Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.35a (19990819) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd9b6 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 65536 bhash 65536) Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd v 1.5 Detected PS/2 Mouse Port. pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.12) Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 64000K size loop: registered device at major 7 Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.30 ide: Assuming 40MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x10e0-0x10e7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x10e8-0x10ef, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: ST36421A, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 hda: ST36421A, 6150MB w/256kB Cache, CHS=784/255/63 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 LVM version 0.8e by Heinz Mauelshagen (4/1/2000) lvm -- Driver successfully initialized md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 linear personality registered raid0 personality registered raid1 personality registered raid5 personality registered scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices scsi : 1 host. scsi : detected total. Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 Uncompressing........................done. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to unmount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 68k freed Adding Swap: 136544k swap-space (priority -1) Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.11 kernel build: 2.2.14 #1 Sat Mar 25 00:46:59 GMT 2000 options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] PCI routing table version 1.0 at 0xfdf50 00:0d.0 -> irq 5 00:0d.1 -> irq 5 Intel PCIC probe: TI 1225 PCI-to-CardBus at slot 00:0d, mem 0x68000000 host opts [0]: [ring] [serial pci & irq] [pci irq 5] [lat 168/176] [bus 32/34] host opts [1]: [ring] [serial pci & irq] [pci irq 5] [lat 168/176] [bus 35/37] ISA irqs (scanned) = 3,4,7,10,11,15 PCI status changes cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: excluding 0xcf8-0xcff cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x290-0x297 0x370-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Jul 1 21:14:51 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts References: Message-ID: <395EA59B.E0027201@black-hole.com> I would like to try them on a sparc. I'm running a STB 4400 16M video card right now, and have been unable to find a 13W3 adapter and at this point I'm not sure it would do any good. I haven't been able to get any specs for it from Mitsu. If I could get them running I'd really like to replace my 14" with a 17". But I do have 2 of these things so I still would have an extra. Colin Kilbane wrote: > Do you want to try one on a sparc... > > Colin Kilbane > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 22:36:33 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts In-Reply-To: <395EA59B.E0027201@black-hole.com> Message-ID: I have located converters. look them up at www.pimfg.com. Go to the catelog and go to page 66. Adapters are around 10 bucks and cables run from 15 to 20, if I remember correctly. They charge a 2 buck fee for orders under 100, but they have excellent prices on just about everyting, esp cabels. I have been trying to install redhat on my sparc 2 but the scan rates are confounding the only monitor that I can hook up to it using bnc. It won't even work on my sgi monitor! Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Sat Jul 1 22:42:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another source is http://www.e-cables.com/video.htm, which link you can find on Sun's own pages. Andy > I have located converters. look them up at www.pimfg.com. Go to the > catelog and go to page 66. Adapters are around 10 bucks and cables run > from 15 to 20, if I remember correctly. They charge a 2 buck fee for > orders under 100, but they have excellent prices on just about everyting, > esp cabels. > > Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 2 01:21:58 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 References: Message-ID: <395EDF86.74D03AE3@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know how can I install a 3c913 Nic card on LM? It lists under Misc (irq 10). It's been bugging me for quite a while. The problem is it does not come under ISA or PCI devices. apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Jul 1 23:38:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19403] Panther XL and Linux Q3 Message-ID: <395EC743.FEA85340@tcfreenet.org> Okay, finished my Panther XL hack to joy2key. Yay, now I can 0wn in Q3. ;) http://www.404error.com/seg/code.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 1 23:56:54 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19374] Question On Internet with Linux Mandrake 6.5 References: <395EDF86.74D03AE3@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <395ECB96.7A33DEC@tc.umn.edu> Apu wrote: > > Does anyone know how can I install a 3c913 Nic card on LM? It lists under Misc (irq > 10). It's been bugging me for quite a while. The problem is it does not come under > ISA or PCI devices. Well, 3com's site is no help here.. I ended up finding what may be the answer in Google's cache.. [http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000203/02888406.htm+3c913&hl=en] It appears that the 3c913 works with drivers for the 3c509. Of course, someone may have mistyped that, meaning that it *might* work with the 3c59x drivers that come with the Linux kernel, or maybe the 3c90x drivers produced by 3com.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Lead me not into / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ temptation, I can find \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) it myself. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Jul 2 10:31:00 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18625] Lets have even more eOne fun. In-Reply-To: ; from xoi@mn.mediaone.net on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 07:39:46PM -0500 References: <395E8100.83E33F54@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000702103100.B25988@ringworld.org> * Lord Xoi [000701 19:40]: > hda: ST36421A, ATA DISK drive > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > hda: ST36421A, 6150MB w/256kB Cache, CHS=784/255/63 Are you sure that: A) this cd-rom works. and, B) its connected to the motherboard. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Jul 2 10:33:10 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19391] RE: Spare parts In-Reply-To: <395EA59B.E0027201@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 09:14:51PM -0500 References: <395EA59B.E0027201@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000702103309.C25988@ringworld.org> * Brian Toberman [000701 21:13]: > card right now, and have been unable to find a 13W3 adapter and at this > point I'm not sure it would do any good. I haven't been able to get any > specs for it from Mitsu. If I could get them running I'd really like to Dexis has one for cheap i think. look at computercables.com and then when you buy it there tell em you saw the price on the web and you want that price ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Sun Jul 2 10:39:37 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18625] Lets have even more eOne fun. In-Reply-To: <20000702103100.B25988@ringworld.org> Message-ID: on 7/2/00 10:31 AM, Scott Dier at dieman@ringworld.org wrote: > * Lord Xoi [000701 19:40]: >> hda: ST36421A, ATA DISK drive >> ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 >> hda: ST36421A, 6150MB w/256kB Cache, CHS=784/255/63 > > Are you sure that: > > A) this cd-rom works. > and, > B) its connected to the motherboard. A: Yes, I used it to initially install Mandrake and now Suse on the machine. B: I would imagine so based upon the answer above, but I have not physically looked as the machine is difficult to get into. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Jul 2 10:58:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18625] Lets have even more eOne fun. In-Reply-To: ; from xoi@mn.mediaone.net on Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 10:39:37AM -0500 References: <20000702103100.B25988@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000702105804.D25988@ringworld.org> * Lord Xoi [000702 10:39]: > A: Yes, I used it to initially install Mandrake and now Suse on the machine. grr. so on bios bootup you can see it up on the display (it says found cdrom or something?) can you still boot a cd with it or access a cd otherwise? i dono. weird. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Jul 2 16:18:06 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19409] silly question Message-ID: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com> Am running NIS, NFS. I have a .forward and .procmailrc in my home dir which routes all my mail to my home dir. My workstations mounts the homes accordingly. if I ssh to the home dir / mail server everything works fine. But at my ws when trying to delete mail out of my mailboxes with mutt I am told that my mailbox is read only. the Mail dir and boxen are owned by me, and are not read only (as per ls -l output) As i said I can ssh into mail server and delete mail fine. But on any of the workstations I cannot. Does anyone have any idea why this might be happening? I can read and write anything else fine. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Jul 2 22:00:38 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19410] sound cards and FreeBSD Message-ID: <00070117423101.02789@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey, I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 How do I configure it? I haven't been able to find any docs that work. thanks Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 2 22:10:04 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19410] sound cards and FreeBSD Message-ID: <200007030310.e633A9n30055@sprite.real-time.com> hey i think you should try OSS (i think they can be executed in freebsd, more now that the compability is better) if not, try lookgin in the manual for the module..i think sb.o would do just fine, but im a newbie so im not sure. > > Hey, > > I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 > > How do I configure it? > > I haven't been able to find any docs that work. > > thanks > > Eric > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Jul 2 22:10:40 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19410] sound cards and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200007030310.WAA00940@ardent-hacker.net> References: <200007030310.WAA00940@ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <00070222111000.00945@ardent-hacker.net> Doesn't OSS want money? I've heard there's a simple kernel command to give, but I don't know what it is. Thanks, Eric On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, you wrote: > hey i think you should try OSS (i think they can be > executed in freebsd, more now that the compability is > better) if not, try lookgin in the manual for the module..i > think sb.o would do just fine, but im a newbie so im not > sure. > > > > > Hey, > > > > I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 > > > > How do I configure it? > > > > I haven't been able to find any docs that work. > > > > thanks > > > > Eric > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 2 22:19:07 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19410] sound cards and FreeBSD Message-ID: <200007030319.e633JCn30113@sprite.real-time.com> i dont remember very well cause its a long time since i used linux but...i think is kozmik@localhost$modprobe sb.o io=blah irq=blah try that > Doesn't OSS want money? > > I've heard there's a simple kernel command to give, but I don't know what it is. > > Thanks, > > Eric > > On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > hey i think you should try OSS (i think they can be > > executed in freebsd, more now that the compability is > > better) if not, try lookgin in the manual for the module..i > > think sb.o would do just fine, but im a newbie so im not > > sure. > > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 > > > > > > How do I configure it? > > > > > > I haven't been able to find any docs that work. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ----------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > > linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > > linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Sun Jul 2 22:54:57 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights In-Reply-To: <00070117423101.02789@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: I sure could use some assistance with getting the cdrom and X running on this machine of mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Jul 2 22:55:23 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00070222553600.00974@ardent-hacker.net> sorry, Roseville Here. On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, you wrote: > I sure could use some assistance with getting the cdrom and X running on > this machine of mine. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sun Jul 2 23:55:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There have been lawsuits about this - and USWest is not going to put their hand in that cookie jar unless they can avoid being busted. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Remember, whomever you buy service from in this area is utterly > dependent on USWorst to provide them with service so that they > can sell it to you. USWest obstructing service is about as likely > as the ocean being wet. > > Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, > dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. > > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem > > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > > cost. > > > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not > > that dangerous a gamble. > > > > Andy > > > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Jul 3 08:25:01 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19376] Tyan K7 boards? Message-ID: <0FX400MGNJ54AU@mail1.supervalu.com> FYI, Tyan pretty regularly makes crappy "consumer" level motherboards. Their K7 boards are no exception - if you want a good K7 board, your best bet is ASUS, or possibly Abit, not Tyan. If you're looking for a good SMP motherboard, they're pretty decent, but otherwise, avoid 'em. Nick carls@agritech.com, on 06/30/2000 03:55:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:19376] Tyan K7 boards? people on the list have said good things about Tyan mobos, and I see that they have a K7 board now. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/trinityk7.html how well-supported are the IDE controller and sound chipset under Linux? I see that it comes with a 'driver disk'; which immediately makes me suspicious (since they probably aren't anything but Windows drivers...) I'm not necessarily going to run Linux on one of these things (I'm actually looking for a win98 setup here at work); but I'd like to look at the possibility down the road. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jul 3 10:58:38 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 04:18:06PM -0500 References: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20000703105838.A30628@wookimus.net> On Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 04:18:06PM -0500, blutgens@sistina.com wrote: > Am running NIS, NFS. I have a .forward and .procmailrc in my home > dir which routes all my mail to my home dir. My workstations mounts > the homes accordingly. if I ssh to the home dir / mail server > everything works fine. But at my ws when trying to delete mail out > of my mailboxes with mutt I am told that my mailbox is read only. Wow. That's fucked up. I would have said that you were trying to get mail off the spool, which wouldn't have been shared via NIS, NFS. BUT, you're not doing that, so I'd check for some sort of locking mechanism that mutt may use. (i.e. the existence of a "lock" file somewhere). -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried to console in, and I couldn't connect to the modem. I power cycled it, and everything came back just fine. Has anyone else seen something like this on a 675? ------Original Message------ From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: July 3, 2000 4:55:35 AM GMT Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service There have been lawsuits about this - and USWest is not going to put their hand in that cookie jar unless they can avoid being busted. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Remember, whomever you buy service from in this area is utterly > dependent on USWorst to provide them with service so that they > can sell it to you. USWest obstructing service is about as likely > as the ocean being wet. > > Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, > dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to be. > > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a modem > > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > > cost. > > > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's not > > that dangerous a gamble. > > > > Andy > > > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 3 11:26:27 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service References: <381037298.962641075757.JavaMail.root@web446-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <00a201bfe50b$70283f30$dd29680a@tgt.com> They are known to overheat -- what type of environment do you keep it in? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > Has anyone ever experienced their Cisco 675 crashing? One morning my > internet connection was down, the activity lights on the Cisco were not > blinking (even in the case of a down line/misconfiguration the LAN light > blinks, presumably doing SNMP of some kind). I tried to console in, and I > couldn't connect to the modem. I power cycled it, and everything came back > just fine. Has anyone else seen something like this on a 675? > > ------Original Message------ > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: July 3, 2000 4:55:35 AM GMT > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19294] DSL/Cable service > > > There have been lawsuits about this - and USWest is not going to put their > hand in that cookie jar unless they can avoid being busted. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > Remember, whomever you buy service from in this area is utterly > > dependent on USWorst to provide them with service so that they > > can sell it to you. USWest obstructing service is about as likely > > as the ocean being wet. > > > > Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, > > dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! > > > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > NOT ONVOY!!!! > > > > > > Well, maybe there are problems, and service isn't what you want it to > be. > > > But ultimately you need to decide whether it's overall better than a > modem > > > (or whatever you're using now), and enough so to justify the additional > > > cost. > > > > > > Esp. if you sign up when installation and hardware are provided, it's > not > > > that dangerous a gamble. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Any recommendations? Any to avoid for certain? > > > > > > > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > > > > > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: > 651-456-1400 > > > > > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: > 651-454-3684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Jul 3 11:59:51 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000703105838.A30628@wookimus.net>; from ^chewie on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:58:38AM -0500 References: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com> <20000703105838.A30628@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000703115951.A24554@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:58:38AM -0500, ^chewie wrote: > On Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 04:18:06PM -0500, blutgens@sistina.com wrote: > > Am running NIS, NFS. I have a .forward and .procmailrc in my home > > dir which routes all my mail to my home dir. My workstations mounts > > the homes accordingly. if I ssh to the home dir / mail server > > everything works fine. But at my ws when trying to delete mail out > > of my mailboxes with mutt I am told that my mailbox is read only. > > Wow. That's fucked up. I would have said that you were trying to get > mail off the spool, which wouldn't have been shared via NIS, NFS. > BUT, you're not doing that, so I'd check for some sort of locking > mechanism that mutt may use. (i.e. the existence of a "lock" file > somewhere). It probably is mutt's file locking. Ben, what does "mutt -v" return? Mutt has various different file locking mechanisms, so to start you need to know what options you have compiled in. i don't much about file locking in mutt, but finding out which optiions you are using would be a start. You might want to take a look at the mutt users lists linked off of mutt.org. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 3 12:06:05 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000703115951.A24554@pchelka.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 11:59:51AM -0500 References: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com> <20000703105838.A30628@wookimus.net> <20000703115951.A24554@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000703120605.A709@titanium.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 11:59:51AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: >On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:58:38AM -0500, ^chewie wrote: > >It probably is mutt's file locking. Ben, what does "mutt -v" >return? Mutt has various different file locking mechanisms, >so to start you need to know what options you have compiled >in. i don't much about file locking in mutt, but finding >out which optiions you are using would be a start. > Nope, it was a NFS issue. I added nolock to my mount options in /etc/fstab and that cleared it up. Thanks for the help guys. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Mon Jul 3 12:06:23 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19263] New monitor In-Reply-To: <00d101bfe213$25407320$a582e13f@gateway> References: <0FWX00M9395OFU@mail1.supervalu.com> <71rmls8i2htgjikm6cn4o7arra0fcqi379@4ax.com> <002e01bfe20f$c65f89c0$a582e13f@gateway> <00d101bfe213$25407320$a582e13f@gateway> Message-ID: <6gh1msoqpshc9hfgbe7c76ro019vv346vm@4ax.com> >Huh for some reason I cant find the magic monitor link but check these out >while I look for it well, there's always Panoramtech.com they'll make pretty much any size you want, so it seems. (up to and including 100'x30' stadium displays; which might be available at 4000x1200, but I'm not sure) here's their low-end model: http://www.panoramtech.com/product2000/product_frm.htm 3 flat panels joined together at 3072x768. about $10,000, so they say. the PV290 model is the next size up (3x 18" flat panels at 3840x1024); at about $15,000 I think. I think it would make sense to put the panels on end, so we would have higher displays as well as wider than normal. a 3072x1280 display would allow for much taller xterms, after all. :) I think the screens on massmultiples.com's models, can be rotated vertically, tho. Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Jul 1 17:42:07 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19424] sound cards and FreeBSD Message-ID: <00070117423101.02789@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey, I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 How do I configure it? I haven't been able to find any docs that work. thanks Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Jul 3 12:41:17 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19424] sound cards and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <00070117423101.02789@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 05:42:07PM -0500 References: <00070117423101.02789@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20000703124117.A1681@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Look in /usr/src/i386/conf/LINT There should be a line in there about the psm device. You'll need to add that line to your kernel config and then recompile. Gabe On Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 05:42:07PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > > Hey, > > I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 > > How do I configure it? > > I haven't been able to find any docs that work. > > thanks > > Eric > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Jul 3 12:49:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000703120605.A709@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 12:06:05PM -0500 References: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com> <20000703105838.A30628@wookimus.net> <20000703115951.A24554@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20000703120605.A709@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20000703124932.B1681@sorry.cs.umn.edu> !!! Turning locking off is _not_ a good idea. What if you've got too seperate MUAs running on two different machines (or the same machine) both reading your mail spool? There's a good chance you could corrupt your spool. If it's a locking problem, make sure you have rpc.statd running so that mutt can flock your spool. Gabe On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 12:06:05PM -0500, blutgens@sistina.com wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 11:59:51AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:58:38AM -0500, ^chewie wrote: > > > >It probably is mutt's file locking. Ben, what does "mutt -v" > >return? Mutt has various different file locking mechanisms, > >so to start you need to know what options you have compiled > >in. i don't much about file locking in mutt, but finding > >out which optiions you are using would be a start. > > > > Nope, it was a NFS issue. I added nolock to my mount options in /etc/fstab and > that cleared it up. > > Thanks for the help guys. > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Jul 3 12:57:17 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000703124932.B1681@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 12:49:32PM -0500 References: <20000702161806.A503@titanium.sistina.com> <20000703105838.A30628@wookimus.net> <20000703115951.A24554@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20000703120605.A709@titanium.sistina.com> <20000703124932.B1681@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000703125717.A999@titanium.sistina.com> On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 12:49:32PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: >!!! Turning locking off is _not_ a good idea. What if you've got too seperate >MUAs running on two different machines (or the same machine) both reading your It's a mailbox in my home dir. I'll just have to be careful. >mail spool? There's a good chance you could corrupt your spool. If it's a >locking problem, make sure you have rpc.statd running so that mutt can flock >your spool. statd was running the whole time. the nolock option was the olny way. works fine now. flock is pretty important but the files I am opening shouldn't be used by anything else. it's only a $HOME/ -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From insyte at emt-p.org Mon Jul 3 14:16:17 2000 From: insyte at emt-p.org (Ben Beuchler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port Message-ID: <20000703141617.A18237@emt-p.org> nmap is showing me a couple of odd ports open on one of my boxes. These ports are not listed in /etc/services and I don't seem to have anything unexpected in my process table... Anyone know of a program that will identify which app/pid/whatever is listening at a specified port? Thanks, Ben -- The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is naturally alarming to people who don't. -- Neal Stephenson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 3 14:21:48 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port References: <20000703141617.A18237@emt-p.org> Message-ID: <3960E7CC.1FAABA6F@tc.umn.edu> Ben Beuchler wrote: > > nmap is showing me a couple of odd ports open on one of my boxes. These > ports are not listed in /etc/services and I don't seem to have anything > unexpected in my process table... I'd bet they're your NIS/NFS/blah stuff.. > Anyone know of a program that will identify which app/pid/whatever is > listening at a specified port? I usually use something like this: lsof | grep IPv4 which gives a pretty good list of what is open.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Energizer Bunny Arrested! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Charged with battery. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From carls at agritech.com Mon Jul 3 15:17:22 2000 From: carls at agritech.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port In-Reply-To: <3960E7CC.1FAABA6F@tc.umn.edu> References: <20000703141617.A18237@emt-p.org> <3960E7CC.1FAABA6F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <32t1ms0q7juk48m3modjpuj9qtath9ir35@4ax.com> >I usually use something like this: > > lsof | grep IPv4 which RPM has the lsof utility? I've heard it mentioned before, but none of my redhat boxen have it (and there isn't any good way to search for a specific file in a package you don't have.) Carl Soderstrom _________________________________________ Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 3 15:30:46 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port References: <20000703141617.A18237@emt-p.org> <3960E7CC.1FAABA6F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3960F7F6.DE490BA7@tcfreenet.org> > > nmap is showing me a couple of odd ports open on one of my boxes. These > > ports are not listed in /etc/services and I don't seem to have anything > > unexpected in my process table... > > I'd bet they're your NIS/NFS/blah stuff.. > > Anyone know of a program that will identify which app/pid/whatever is > > listening at a specified port? > > I usually use something like this: > > lsof | grep IPv4 > > which gives a pretty good list of what is open.. lsof -i will do it in one command. Note that this still won't show ports the kernel is using, namely kernel nfsd. Which seems to insist on running random unprivleged ports, making it a pain to firewall out. It seems to start out on 1024, but if you restart the NFS server it seems to start picking other ports... Argh. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Jul 3 15:43:11 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port In-Reply-To: <32t1ms0q7juk48m3modjpuj9qtath9ir35@4ax.com> Message-ID: > >I usually use something like this: > > > > lsof | grep IPv4 > > which RPM has the lsof utility? mine is... [nycteris:~]$ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/lsof lsof-4.45-1 Not sure where it came from, though, since I don't recall explicitly installing it. > I've heard it mentioned before, but none of my redhat boxen have it > (and there isn't any good way to search for a specific file in a > package you don't have.) I just tend to do a search on http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/, but that is oriented around packages, not individual files. There's probably a better way. Andy > Carl Soderstrom > _________________________________________ > Systems Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. > Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN > carls@agritech.com (763) 682-1091 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From insyte at emt-p.org Mon Jul 3 15:52:40 2000 From: insyte at emt-p.org (Ben Beuchler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port In-Reply-To: <32t1ms0q7juk48m3modjpuj9qtath9ir35@4ax.com>; from carls@agritech.com on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 03:17:22PM -0500 References: <20000703141617.A18237@emt-p.org> <3960E7CC.1FAABA6F@tc.umn.edu> <32t1ms0q7juk48m3modjpuj9qtath9ir35@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20000703155240.A196@emt-p.org> On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 03:17:22PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > which RPM has the lsof utility? I've heard it mentioned before, but > none of my redhat boxen have it (and there isn't any good way to > search for a specific file in a package you don't have.) I found it on Freshmeat. Ben -- The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is naturally alarming to people who don't. -- Neal Stephenson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bison at coffeebean.net Mon Jul 3 15:52:44 2000 From: bison at coffeebean.net (Carlos Sabo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19191] OpenLinux on T20 In-Reply-To: <000501bfdfb4$833d6750$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: I bought a T20 with Windows 2000 and added SuSE 6.4. The S3 Savage IX8 chip is supposedly supported by XFree86 version 3.3.6. But I had no luck getting it to work and their support people told me they don't support Linux yet. (Yes, this was after the preloaded machines appeared.) Another customer asked about the XF86Config file in the IBM Online Support forum. They haven't replied yet. I downloaded a demo for the commercial xig server. That works nicely except when you exit and go back to the console... the text gets flickery. Unfortunately my system had a bad motherboard. It will come back to me Wednesday. Carlos On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > It looks like IBM is actually taking orders for a ThinkPad T20 pre-loaded > with Linux: > > 2647-L1U $4099 PIII 750 128M 20G 14.1T LNX > > The prices seems kind of outrageous, since the 92U is the same price, and > has Windows 2000 and a DVD drive, but at least it's there. > > No Windows tax, but you pay for (I guess) the loss of economies of scale. > > Who's gonna buy one? > > Chris > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 3 16:01:02 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19435] [jholmes@psu.edu: Re: serious rh-mirror problems?] Message-ID: <20000703160102.B12330@real-time.com> Summary: RedHat's mirror is wacked, and the problem is spreading to all mirrors who have the delete enabled. I have delete enabled, but only 25%, so right now our local RedHat mirror is 25% screwed up. :-( ----- Forwarded message from Jason Holmes ----- > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:53:14 -0400 > From: Jason Holmes > Organization: none > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test2 i686) > To: Tyler Allison > Cc: mirror-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: serious rh-mirror problems? > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/681 > > Tyler Allison wrote: > > > > At 02:01 PM 7/2/00 -0400, Jason Holmes wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >I just noticed that sometime since yesterday rsync updates (at least) of > > >rh-mirror are deleting almost everything except a few directories and > > >ls-lR* files. This doesn't seem to be particular to my site - a quick > > >check of a few other sites on the mirror list show that at least > > >sunsite.utk.edu and ftp.crc.ca's updates have affected as well. ftp'ing > > >to rh-mirror and doing a 'ls' in /pub gets you nothing. Could someone > > >please see what's going on with this? > > > > Hey guys...I just double checked rh-mirror.redhat.com/redhat and it looks > > like everything is back. Can anyone confirm or have any more info? > > I never heard anything official, but it does seem to be back - my > current rsync is steadily retrieving everything that was deleted over > the weekend. > > -- > Jason Holmes > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 3 16:33:18 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19428] identifying the program listening at a port References: <20000703141617.A18237@emt-p.org> <3960E7CC.1FAABA6F@tc.umn.edu> <32t1ms0q7juk48m3modjpuj9qtath9ir35@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3961069E.6EF980D6@tcfreenet.org> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > >I usually use something like this: > > > > lsof | grep IPv4 > > which RPM has the lsof utility? I've heard it mentioned before, but > none of my redhat boxen have it (and there isn't any good way to > search for a specific file in a package you don't have.) Package 'lsof' part of the standard distrib. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sextus at visi.com Mon Jul 3 17:57:54 2000 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19437] Re: sound cards and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <00070117423101.02789@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > I have a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and FreeBSD 3.4 > How do I configure it? > I haven't been able to find any docs that work. grep pcm /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at usinternet.com Mon Jul 3 19:04:00 2000 From: esper at usinternet.com (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000703125717.A999@titanium.sistina.com> from "blutgens@sistina.com" at "Jul 3, 2000 12:57:17 pm" Message-ID: blutgens@sistina.com said: > flock is pretty important but the files I am opening shouldn't be > used by anything else. it's only a $HOME/ _Anything_ else? How does mail get into the file? (I occasionally lose messages that come in while I'm reading mail over NFS because of a lack of locking...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at usinternet.com Mon Jul 3 19:01:39 2000 From: esper at usinternet.com (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: <20000703124932.B1681@sorry.cs.umn.edu> from Gabe Turner at "Jul 3, 2000 12:49:32 pm" Message-ID: Gabe Turner said: > !!! Turning locking off is _not_ a good idea. What if you've got too seperate > MUAs running on two different machines (or the same machine) both reading your > mail spool? There's a good chance you could corrupt your spool. If it's a > locking problem, make sure you have rpc.statd running so that mutt can flock > your spool. I've got the same problem. I'm using the standard Debian mutt (version 1.0.0-2). Both machines are running rpc.statd, but I doubt that it matters, as mutt -v shows +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK Suggestions? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Jul 3 20:44:53 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19409] silly question In-Reply-To: ; from esper@usinternet.com on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 07:04:00PM -0500 References: <20000703125717.A999@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20000703204453.A22490@localhost> On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 07:04:00PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: >blutgens@sistina.com said: >> flock is pretty important but the files I am opening shouldn't be >> used by anything else. it's only a $HOME/ > >_Anything_ else? How does mail get into the file? (I occasionally lose >messages that come in while I'm reading mail over NFS because of a lack of >locking...) Nope. Not that I am aware of. I keep pretty close tabs on my logs and I seem to be getting all my mail. Sometimes I wish tat weren't that case. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Mon Jul 3 21:58:40 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19441] IRC daemons Message-ID: <00070321591600.02976@ardent-hacker.net> Anyone ever run Xnet-6 irc daemon or their services 3.0? I need some help. -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Jul 3 22:14:16 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19442] anyone run Xeena? Message-ID: No, not the warrior princess... That's Xena. Xeena is an XML editor/validator from IBM's AlphaWorks. I've started playing around with DocBook for a project I'm working on, and Xeena seems to be the only software of its type that runs on Linux. Well, it won't run on mine. :-( One problem may be that I no practically nothing about Java. I'm running this on a Debian (unstable) laptop. I've installed as much Java stuff as I can find using apt. It looks like I've got JDK 1.1 in /usr/lib/jdk1.1 When I try to run Xeena, I get the following error: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: xeena/sh at java.lang.Throwable.(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Error.(Error.java:21) at java.lang.LinkageError.(LinkageEror.java:21) at java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError.(NoClassDefFoundError.java:21) I know the program will run with JDK1.1. Anyone have any ideas about what's going on? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 3 22:40:07 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19443] ypbind broadcast: RPC: Timed out. Message-ID: <20000703224007.A19082@real-time.com> After upgrading to 6.2, I am getting the following errors in syslog: Jul 3 22:37:48 linux ypbind[1206]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out. I do not user broadcast for ypbind, and I went into the rc script and took out the --broadcast, yet ypbind still wants to broadcast. Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Jul 4 10:23:15 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19442] anyone run Xeena? In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:14:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000704102315.A23707@localhost> On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:14:16PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: >No, not the warrior princess... That's Xena. > And you'd all better stay away from her! She's my next ex-wife, she just doesn't know it yet. ;-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 4 19:13:48 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19384] IPCHAINS/ipmasqadm Message-ID: <39627DBC.57649A7B@tc.umn.edu> > | [mail 192.168.0.1] > 206.147.x.x 192.168.0.100 | [www 192.168.0.10] > -DSL--[Firewall]------[Switch]----| [workstation a 192.168.0.20] > | [workstation b 192.168.0.21] > > Now, the NAT thinggie is port-forwarding stuff over to the internal > network. For example, www.yaron.org is DNSed as 206.147.x.x. The firewall > forwards port 80 to the internal 192.168.0.10. (delayed response -- was out of town) Why not put put the ("bastion host") mail and www servers into the "DMZ" network, between the DSL router and firewall machine? This could eliminate the need for port forwarding and close potential avenues of attack on your internal network. The DSL router (Cisco 675?) should be able to handle some port forwarding. -- ============== SIGN the Linux Driver Petition: Joel Schneider http://www.libranet.com/petition.html jts@tc.umn.edu SIGN the Mars Petition: ============== http://www.thinkmars.net/petition.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Wed Jul 5 00:25:23 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <200007050525.e655PTc14128@sprite.real-time.com> hey wassup im a big linux fan and i have tried almost all flavors..anyways im new to the zone, and i wanted to know where to buy a nice, external, no-winmodem for a fair pricing...my laptop has an internal winmodem, so BUMMER... do you guys know where i can find one? i would apreciate any help given greetings Javier --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 5 03:35:19 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y References: Message-ID: <3962F347.744FE47C@tc.umn.edu> Anyone knows about any good books on linux ? Any suggestion? I am not a very beginner on Unix platforms but I need to learn more details. Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tguse at Carlson.com Wed Jul 5 01:57:30 2000 From: tguse at Carlson.com (Guse, Todd) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: Anything O'Reilly! http://www.oreilly.com/ Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Apu [SMTP:isla0005@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 3:35 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y > > Anyone knows about any good books on linux ? Any suggestion? > I am not a very beginner on Unix platforms but I need to learn more > details. > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Wed Jul 5 09:59:47 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70731F9E@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I work for Multi-Tech Systems and we sell Active PCMCIA modems and it so happens I will be attending your next SCALUG group meeting slated for this coming Saturday the 8th. I'm already bringing with me Multi-Tech Systems products to be tested in the Linux OS enviro, I can bring with me a V.90 PCMCIA card and a V.90 + 10/100 Ethernet card. Let me know, by the way these products are give aways, so even if the weather is excellent attend anyway. Later, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y hey wassup im a big linux fan and i have tried almost all flavors..anyways im new to the zone, and i wanted to know where to buy a nice, external, no-winmodem for a fair pricing...my laptop has an internal winmodem, so BUMMER... do you guys know where i can find one? i would apreciate any help given greetings Javier --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 5 10:32:21 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19450] PHP and mSQL... Message-ID: Anyone have experience or know if it is possible to connect to a remote m$SQL database using PHP from a linux box and pull data? I assume yes but my DB experience is tiny and my PHP experience is less than that. I am looking at pulling data and automatically creating some majordomo list files on our mailing list server and I want to find an easy way.... Thanks ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Jul 5 10:56:28 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y References: <200007050635.BAA18759@yoda.ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39635AAC.64F1D98C@ltiflex.com> I have a 3com/USR PCMICA Modem that I might be willing to part with for a resonable price. It's pretty much brand new, but needs to be flashed to v.90 (I could do that for you I suppose) Also have a Linksys 10/100 PCMICA NIC I'm not using... -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | "Reality is merely an illusion, 21801 Industrial Blvd | albeit a very persistent one." Rogers, MN 55374 | -- Albert Einstein ---------------Ooooo----------------------------------------- ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 5 11:30:18 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70731F9E@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > I'm already bringing with me Multi-Tech Systems products to be tested in the > Linux OS enviro, I can bring with me a V.90 PCMCIA card and a V.90 + 10/100 > Ethernet card. > > Let me know, by the way these products are give aways, so even if the > weather is excellent attend anyway. That's a good draw -- are you talking about a free modem for all attendees? Just checking, Phil Mendelsohn -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 5 12:07:19 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19450] PHP and mSQL... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, mjn wrote: > Anyone have experience or know if it is possible to connect to a remote > m$SQL database using PHP from a linux box and pull data? ^^^^^ I assume you're talking about Microsoft SQL server, right? *Supposedly* this is possible using ODBC, be we never got it to work correctly using PHP on Linux. You might have more luck if your MS SQL version is 6.5, because that is exactly the same as Sybase, and you can use the Sybase drivers to connect. But for 7.0, Microsoft changed the protocls and the Sybase drivers don't work any more. Anyway, it's hard. If you can either get ODBC or Sybase compiled in, you can use the odbc_* or sy_* (i think that's what their called) functions to get the data. You could also install PHP on an NT box, that would work well. Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Wed Jul 5 12:13:02 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732094@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Not everyone but everyone will get some Multi-Tech Systems propaganda marketing toys. -----Original Message----- From: Philip C Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:30 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > I'm already bringing with me Multi-Tech Systems products to be tested in the > Linux OS enviro, I can bring with me a V.90 PCMCIA card and a V.90 + 10/100 > Ethernet card. > > Let me know, by the way these products are give aways, so even if the > weather is excellent attend anyway. That's a good draw -- are you talking about a free modem for all attendees? Just checking, Phil Mendelsohn -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 5 12:16:48 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732094@exchange_serve.multitech.prv>; from TFS@MULTITECH.com on Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 12:13:02PM -0500 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732094@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: <20000705121648.E12488@ringworld.org> Perhaps this should be taken care of in a door-prize-raffle-style * Troy Schmidt [000705 12:15]: > Not everyone but everyone will get some Multi-Tech Systems propaganda > marketing toys. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip C Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? > Y/y > > On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > > > I'm already bringing with me Multi-Tech Systems products > to be tested in the > > Linux OS enviro, I can bring with me a V.90 PCMCIA card > and a V.90 + 10/100 > > Ethernet card. > > > > Let me know, by the way these products are give aways, so > even if the > > weather is excellent attend anyway. > > That's a good draw -- are you talking about a free modem for > all > attendees? > > Just checking, > Phil Mendelsohn > > -- > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Jul 5 12:21:27 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y In-Reply-To: <20000705121648.E12488@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > Perhaps this should be taken care of in a door-prize-raffle-style Real good idea. Andy > * Troy Schmidt [000705 12:15]: > > Not everyone but everyone will get some Multi-Tech Systems propaganda > > marketing toys. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Wed Jul 5 13:01:45 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707320C8@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> However you would like to do it. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Perhaps this should be taken care of in a door-prize-raffle-style * Troy Schmidt [000705 12:15]: > Not everyone but everyone will get some Multi-Tech Systems propaganda > marketing toys. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip C Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? > Y/y > > On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > > > I'm already bringing with me Multi-Tech Systems products > to be tested in the > > Linux OS enviro, I can bring with me a V.90 PCMCIA card > and a V.90 + 10/100 > > Ethernet card. > > > > Let me know, by the way these products are give aways, so > even if the > > weather is excellent attend anyway. > > That's a good draw -- are you talking about a free modem for > all > attendees? > > Just checking, > Phil Mendelsohn > > -- > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Wed Jul 5 13:02:32 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707320CA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Bring you business cards. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Perhaps this should be taken care of in a door-prize-raffle-style * Troy Schmidt [000705 12:15]: > Not everyone but everyone will get some Multi-Tech Systems propaganda > marketing toys. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip C Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? > Y/y > > On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > > > I'm already bringing with me Multi-Tech Systems products > to be tested in the > > Linux OS enviro, I can bring with me a V.90 PCMCIA card > and a V.90 + 10/100 > > Ethernet card. > > > > Let me know, by the way these products are give aways, so > even if the > > weather is excellent attend anyway. > > That's a good draw -- are you talking about a free modem for > all > attendees? > > Just checking, > Phil Mendelsohn > > -- > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Wed Jul 5 13:09:16 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <002601bfe6ac$22593be0$8e21a0d8@gateway> Well I can Suggest a good internal modem that was designed to work specifically with Linux (yes it works with win also) but if you're planning using it on your laptop, well its just not going to happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kozmik Krash To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:25 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y > hey wassup im a big linux fan and i have tried almost all > flavors..anyways im new to the zone, and i wanted to know > where to buy a nice, external, no-winmodem for a fair > pricing...my laptop has an internal winmodem, so BUMMER... > do you guys know where i can find one? > i would apreciate any help given > greetings > Javier > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Wed Jul 5 13:26:06 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y Message-ID: <200007051826.e65IQBI19868@sprite.real-time.com> i told you guys im new to the zone... :) i think im on the mineapolis campus, how far is it from the st Paul campus? > Well I can Suggest a good internal modem that was designed to work > specifically with Linux (yes it works with win also) but if you're planning > using it on your laptop, well its just not going to happen. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kozmik Krash > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:25 AM > Subject: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y > > > > hey wassup im a big linux fan and i have tried almost all > > flavors..anyways im new to the zone, and i wanted to know > > where to buy a nice, external, no-winmodem for a fair > > pricing...my laptop has an internal winmodem, so BUMMER... > > do you guys know where i can find one? > > i would apreciate any help given > > greetings > > Javier > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Wed Jul 5 13:28:49 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's Message-ID: <200007051828.NAA31348@antares.cloudnet.com> I'm moving into a very small apartment and I'm looking into network options. I really don't have room for 3-4 individual server boxen as my old place did and I'm trying to come up with a few options. I'm long overdue on a workstation upgrade and I figured with the extra $$ I'm saving on rent I could build really hyped up workstation. My question is this..would it be practical to have a machine running linux as a primary OS and have both NT and Novell running in VM's at the same time? I'm thinking something in terms of dual 800+Mhz processors and 256+ MB RAM. The boxen I'm replacing are essentially low-end pentiums, so I'm not looking for performance past that. I'm just wondering if it'd be possible to run multiple VM's at the same time and still keep linux running at a decent speed. Any thoughts would be appreciated. -Brian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 5 15:32:19 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y References: Message-ID: <39639B53.408F1665@tc.umn.edu> Krash, Go to the U east bank then and wait for a U Bus. It will take you to st paul campus unless it's a east bank spinner. They may not be as frequent in the summer but they are there. apu Kozmik Krash wrote: > i told you guys im new to the zone... :) i think im on the > mineapolis campus, how far is it from the st Paul campus? > > > Well I can Suggest a good internal modem that was > designed to work > > specifically with Linux (yes it works with win also) but > if you're planning > > using it on your laptop, well its just not going to > happen. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kozmik Krash > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:25 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y > > > > > > > hey wassup im a big linux fan and i have tried almost > all > > > flavors..anyways im new to the zone, and i wanted to > know > > > where to buy a nice, external, no-winmodem for a fair > > > pricing...my laptop has an internal winmodem, so > BUMMER... > > > do you guys know where i can find one? > > > i would apreciate any help given > > > greetings > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Jul 5 14:00:16 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19463] anyone run Xeena? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14691.34240.235000.692279@htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "TW" == Timothy Wilson writes: TW> No, not the warrior princess... That's Xena. TW> Xeena is an XML editor/validator from IBM's AlphaWorks. I've started playing TW> around with DocBook for a project I'm working on, and Xeena seems to be the TW> only software of its type that runs on Linux. Well, it won't run on mine. TW> :-( TW> One problem may be that I no practically nothing about Java. I'm running TW> this on a Debian (unstable) laptop. I've installed as much Java stuff as I TW> can find using apt. It looks like I've got JDK 1.1 in /usr/lib/jdk1.1 TW> When I try to run Xeena, I get the following error: TW> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: xeena/sh TW> at java.lang.Throwable.(Throwable.java:38) TW> at java.lang.Error.(Error.java:21) TW> at java.lang.LinkageError.(LinkageEror.java:21) TW> at java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError.(NoClassDefFoundError.java:21) TW> I know the program will run with JDK1.1. Anyone have any ideas about what's TW> going on? Tim, I have never tried to run Xeena, but the above looks like a very familiar error in setting the CLASSPATH environment variable. While running Xeena, this should almost certainly be set to point at either a distribution directory containing the code or, since this is IBM code, more likely should contain an absolute path pointing to a .jar file that's in the distribution. My guess would be that there's a shell script that sets this environment variable and invokes java, and that there's a pathname error somewhere in that shell script file. Best, R --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 5 14:06:26 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19446] Winmodem found.remove it? Y/y In-Reply-To: <39639B53.408F1665@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 01:32:19PM -0700 References: <39639B53.408F1665@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000705140626.F12488@ringworld.org> * Apu [000705 13:31]: > Go to the U east bank then and wait for a U Bus. It will take you to st http://www.umn.edu/parking/ look for the bus info on that site. http://www1.umn.edu/parking/busing/shuttle.htm http://www1.umn.edu/parking/busing/schcc.htm you want the campus connector bus. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 14:14:11 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's In-Reply-To: <200007051828.NAA31348@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@antares.cloudnet.com on Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 01:28:49PM -0500 References: <200007051828.NAA31348@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20000705141411.A4477@yahoo.com> I think you can run a couple VM's. You are talking VMware right? Memory is the biggest problem though. If you're gonna run linux + two VM's I'd try to get at least 512M. On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 01:28:49PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I'm moving into a very small apartment and I'm looking into network > options. I really don't have room for 3-4 individual server boxen as my > old place did and I'm trying to come up with a few options. I'm long > overdue on a workstation upgrade and I figured with the extra $$ I'm > saving on rent I could build really hyped up workstation. My question is > this..would it be practical to have a machine running linux as a primary > OS and have both NT and Novell running in VM's at the same time? I'm > thinking something in terms of dual 800+Mhz processors and 256+ MB RAM. > The boxen I'm replacing are essentially low-end pentiums, so I'm not > looking for performance past that. I'm just wondering if it'd be possible > to run multiple VM's at the same time and still keep linux running at a > decent speed. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > -Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Jul 5 14:20:24 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's References: <200007051828.NAA31348@antares.cloudnet.com> <20000705141411.A4477@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39638A78.91C7C859@ltiflex.com> Keep in mind you need processing power for each VM you have running. VMware more or less dedicates processing power and memory to each VM. So if you have 2 166 VM's on a 333 machine, you have no processing power left for your host OS. I've pulled up a 166 VM running NT4, and even that brings Linux (host os) to a near stand still on this P2/350. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | "Reality is merely an illusion, 21801 Industrial Blvd | albeit a very persistent one." Rogers, MN 55374 | -- Albert Einstein ---------------Ooooo----------------------------------------- ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 5 14:47:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19384] IPCHAINS/ipmasqadm In-Reply-To: <39627DBC.57649A7B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Joel Schneider wrote: > Why not put put the ("bastion host") mail and www servers into the "DMZ" . > The DSL router (Cisco 675?) should be able to handle some port > forwarding. I'm not running in PPP mode, thus no DMZ. Plus I heard the 675's NAT sucks. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Jul 5 16:38:12 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19468] (probably dumb) question about use of pgp and gpg Message-ID: <14691.43716.610000.617290@htc.honeywell.com> I feel a certain obligation to start using some crypto stuff, but I'm a little bewildered by the fact that there are two alternatives --- pgp and gpg --- available. gpg seems to be the preferable choice for me: 1. it is less restricted in licensing use, so I don't have to ask myself every time I use it whether a particular message is commercial or not; 2. the pgp command-line I got for linux seems much less well-documented and easy to use than the gpg that came with my red hat. Question: is gpg fully compatible with pgp so that I could use gpg happily? Or is it incompatible, in which case adopting it means that there'll be nobody I can exchange encrypted messages with? I have a document that is supposed to explain how to use gpg as a pgp replacement, but it's not very clear and does not seem up-to-date. Thanks! R P.S. If there's a suitable RTF* type response to this question, please feel free to point me to some source of information that's readily available and accept my apologies. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 5 18:44:01 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19469] Lot'o DNS bad referrals Message-ID: <20000705184401.X18826@real-time.com> Anyone else seeing lots of bad referrals? Jul 5 18:43:36 dns named[8003]: bad referral (80.196.151.in-addr.arpa !< 20.80.196.151.in-addr.arpa) Jul 5 18:43:36 dns named[8003]: bad referral (77.107.209.in-addr.arpa !< 83.77.107.209.in-addr.arpa) Jul 5 18:43:37 dns named[8003]: bad referral (176.206.in-addr.arpa !< 115.176.206.in-addr.arpa) Jul 5 18:43:37 dns named[8003]: bad referral (176.206.in-addr.arpa !< 124.176.206.in-addr.arpa) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Wed Jul 5 22:03:21 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's Message-ID: <200007060303.e6633SI23098@sprite.real-time.com> i think vmware does not support novell, however.also, i heard they're making plans with M$, so bull***t :( anyways you might look at their page. > I'm moving into a very small apartment and I'm looking into network > options. I really don't have room for 3-4 individual server boxen as my > old place did and I'm trying to come up with a few options. I'm long > overdue on a workstation upgrade and I figured with the extra $$ I'm > saving on rent I could build really hyped up workstation. My question is > this..would it be practical to have a machine running linux as a primary > OS and have both NT and Novell running in VM's at the same time? I'm > thinking something in terms of dual 800+Mhz processors and 256+ MB RAM. > The boxen I'm replacing are essentially low-end pentiums, so I'm not > looking for performance past that. I'm just wondering if it'd be possible > to run multiple VM's at the same time and still keep linux running at a > decent speed. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > -Brian > > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 5 22:03:26 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19471] Re: anyone run Xeena? In-Reply-To: <14691.34240.235000.692279@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > TW> When I try to run Xeena, I get the following error: > > TW> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: xeena/sh > TW> at java.lang.Throwable.(Throwable.java:38) > TW> at java.lang.Error.(Error.java:21) > TW> at java.lang.LinkageError.(LinkageEror.java:21) > TW> at java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError.(NoClassDefFoundError.java:21) > > TW> I know the program will run with JDK1.1. Anyone have any ideas about what's > TW> going on? > > I have never tried to run Xeena, but the above looks like a very > familiar error in setting the CLASSPATH environment variable. While > running Xeena, this should almost certainly be set to point at either > a distribution directory containing the code or, since this is IBM > code, more likely should contain an absolute path pointing to a .jar > file that's in the distribution. OK, I'm making some progress on this. It turns out that the errors I was seeting had more to do with how I was running the script that actually executes the Java code. Now when it looks like I'm doing things properly, I get: # ./xeena.sh using java in [/usr/lib/jdk1.1] Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread Could not create Java VM # Do I need to enable threads somewhere? I see on the Debian site that there's a jdk1.1-native-dev that "contains the native threads (linuxthreads) extensions to the jdk1.0-dev package." Could this be what I'm missing? -Tim BTW, I forgot to include the URL to Xeena in my initial post. You'll find it at http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/xeena/ Sorry Ben, no nudies of Lucy Lawless. :-) -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Jul 5 22:35:15 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19471] Re: anyone run Xeena? In-Reply-To: Timothy Wilson's message of "Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:03:26 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Timothy Wilson writes: > OK, I'm making some progress on this. It turns out that the errors I was > seeting had more to do with how I was running the script that actually > executes the Java code. Now when it looks like I'm doing things properly, I > get: > > # ./xeena.sh > using java in [/usr/lib/jdk1.1] > Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread > Could not create Java VM > # > > Do I need to enable threads somewhere? > > I see on the Debian site that there's a jdk1.1-native-dev that "contains the > native threads (linuxthreads) extensions to the jdk1.0-dev package." Could > this be what I'm missing? This means that the classpath is being set, but does not include classes.zip. This is only a problem with jdk < 1.2 -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe schewe@tcfreenet.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 5 23:16:43 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19384] IPCHAINS/ipmasqadm Message-ID: <3964082B.AEA2C1E6@tc.umn.edu> > Plus I heard the 675's NAT sucks. I've had no problems with it, although CBOS 2.2 or higher is required for wild card NAT: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbo220rn.htm#xtocid219236 -- ============== SIGN the Linux Driver Petition: Joel Schneider http://www.libranet.com/petition.html jts@tc.umn.edu SIGN the Mars Petition: ============== http://www.thinkmars.net/petition.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Jul 6 00:42:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19474] XFree 4.0.1 Message-ID: <39641C2A.686CB068@tcfreenet.org> Hmmm, XFree 4.0.1's out. Darn it, when's rawhide gonna get it. ;) I'm tempted to build my own RPMs... (I hate compiling X, I hate compiling X...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 6 08:37:58 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19474] XFree 4.0.1 References: <39641C2A.686CB068@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <008b01bfe74f$69df55a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> It has been giving me problems with Mesa. It doesn't build - or rather their script is in error and deletes it before it is moved. The rest of X works OK. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Callum Lerwick To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19474] XFree 4.0.1 > Hmmm, XFree 4.0.1's out. Darn it, when's rawhide gonna get it. ;) I'm > tempted to build my own RPMs... (I hate compiling X, I hate compiling > X...) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 6 10:17:43 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's In-Reply-To: <39638A78.91C7C859@ltiflex.com> References: <200007051828.NAA31348@antares.cloudnet.com> <20000705141411.A4477@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000706101743.00afb260@g-swan.email.umn.edu> A question just to clarify: You say if all the RAM is divided up, there's no processing power left for your host OS. This assumes youv've done a "host"-type setup. Any experience with the parallel setup? (I installed Linux-side VM on my Dual Boot and blindly followed the instructions, but I haven't had enough opportunity to test it yet to see the effects you've mentioned here.) gs At 02:20 PM 7/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Keep in mind you need processing power for each VM you have running. >VMware more or less dedicates processing power and memory to each VM. So >if you have 2 >166 VM's on a 333 machine, you have no processing power left for your >host OS. > >I've pulled up a 166 VM running NT4, and even that brings Linux (host >os) to a near stand still on this P2/350. > >-- > \\\|/// > \\ - - // > ( @ @ ) >----oOOo--(_)-oOOo------------------------------------------- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | http://www.ltiflex.com >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | "Reality is merely an illusion, >21801 Industrial Blvd | albeit a very persistent one." >Rogers, MN 55374 | -- Albert Einstein >---------------Ooooo----------------------------------------- > ( ) > ooooO ) / > ( ) (_/ > \ ( > \_) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Jul 6 16:59:03 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19477] Re: anyone run Xeena? In-Reply-To: References: <14691.34240.235000.692279@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <14693.295.732000.21608@htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "TW" == Timothy Wilson writes: TW> On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: .... TW> OK, I'm making some progress on this. It turns out that the errors I was TW> seeting had more to do with how I was running the script that actually TW> executes the Java code. Now when it looks like I'm doing things properly, I TW> get: TW> # ./xeena.sh TW> using java in [/usr/lib/jdk1.1] TW> Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread TW> Could not create Java VM TW> # TW> Do I need to enable threads somewhere? No, you should not need to. Threads are a native part of Java. BUT it seems like there's some built in java classes that you're not finding now. Could be that you've got the xeena libraries in now, but don't have the jdk .jar files or the classes.zip (this looks like an old version of the jdk) in the classpath. Try finding the classes.zip file in your jdk directory and adding that to the classpath. TW> I see on the Debian site that there's a jdk1.1-native-dev that "contains the TW> native threads (linuxthreads) extensions to the jdk1.0-dev package." Could TW> this be what I'm missing? You shouldn't need to use this --- there are two ways to use threads in java; you can use the internal ones, where java does the multiprocessing itself, or use native threads. The code should work whichever you use. Good luck, R --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 6 20:18:34 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's References: Message-ID: <39652FEA.36AD2B15@tc.umn.edu> Kozmik Krash wrote: > > also, i heard they're making plans with M$, so bull***t :( From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 6 20:10:46 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's References: <200007051828.NAA31348@antares.cloudnet.com> <20000705141411.A4477@yahoo.com> <39638A78.91C7C859@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39652E16.CFF5674B@tc.umn.edu> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Keep in mind you need processing power for each VM you have running. > VMware more or less dedicates processing power and memory to each VM. So > if you have 2 > 166 VM's on a 333 machine, you have no processing power left for your > host OS. > > I've pulled up a 166 VM running NT4, and even that brings Linux (host > os) to a near stand still on this P2/350. I think memory is more important than processor speed when running VMware. More CPU ticks will obviously help, but it is important to note that disk I/O is pretty evil under VMware (at least it was the last time I played with it). Any swapping will have a big impact. I'm not sure if it would be possible to run Netware in a VM, unless you use IP-only networking. However, you can get Netware for Linux, which allows you to run Netware services natively. That would remove the need for one of the VMs, and a chunk of memory and disk space along with it. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you choke a smurf, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ what color does it turn? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Jul 6 23:02:48 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's In-Reply-To: <39652E16.CFF5674B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > I'm not sure if it would be possible to run Netware in a VM, unless you > use IP-only networking. However, you can get Netware for Linux, which > allows you to run Netware services natively. That would remove the need > for one of the VMs, and a chunk of memory and disk space along with it. I may be off base here, but I believe that the only Novell stuff available for Linux these days is NDS. Quite a different beast than actual NetWare. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 6 23:25:24 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's References: Message-ID: <39655BB4.AF0668B3@tc.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > I may be off base here, but I believe that the only Novell stuff available > for Linux these days is NDS. Quite a different beast than actual NetWare. Heh, well, that would explain why I couldn't find the Caldera/Novell client software when I was looking for it last week.. However, a lot of the functionality that was in the `official' client software has been integrated into the open source alternatives in the ncpfs package. There's also some server software, MARS NWE, though I don't know how advanced it is, not to mention the fact that the homepage is largely in German. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Always glad to share my / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ ignorance - I've got \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) plenty. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tguse at Carlson.com Fri Jul 7 07:11:21 2000 From: tguse at Carlson.com (Guse, Todd) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's Message-ID: The version with windoze built in is only being sold to corporations. It is not for sale to the public. Todd Guse > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [SMTP:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:19 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's > > Kozmik Krash wrote: > > > > also, i heard they're making plans with M$, so bull***t :( > > From what I understand, the VMware folks added a product with bundles > Windows with a copy of VMware. What this means is that you can install > this particular piece of software and immediately `boot' into Windows. > Considering the fact that it takes quite a while to install Windows > under VMware, this isn't very surprising. However, I just took a look > at the website, and I don't see this product.. > > You can still get the `virgin' version of VMware, that installs a bare > VM, and there are versions available with Linux pre-installed. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ MS Windows -- From the > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people who brought you > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) EDLIN! > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Fri Jul 7 10:12:17 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's Message-ID: <384355319.962982737728.JavaMail.root@web586-ec.mail.com> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > I'm not sure if it would be possible to run Netware in a VM, unless you > use IP-only networking. However, you can get Netware for Linux, which > allows you to run Netware services natively. That would remove the need > for one of the VMs, and a chunk of memory and disk space along with it. I may be off base here, but I believe that the only Novell stuff available for Linux these days is NDS. Quite a different beast than actual NetWare. Not true. Somewhere in my many stacks of CDR's I have an incomplete download of Netware for linux, which is a completely 4.1 compliant version of Netware put out by Caldera for linux. I have been meaning to install it, but as I mentioned I am missing at least one of the RPMs. I don't remember if it's readily available on Caldera's site anymore though. -Brian ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From DomokosZ at esi.com Fri Jul 7 09:35:22 2000 From: DomokosZ at esi.com (Zsolt Domokos) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19486] pppd kppp connection problem Message-ID: <6015134CBE9CD3118B960008C7B1A2BE04B13B@MSPA1> Hello all helpful out there, I have installed Mandrake 7.1 just recently. And I have been trying to set up ppp to dial into my ISP without luck. The problem is the IP that the host send to my machine is not the same that my machine captures. I can see the IP sent by the host in the log window and when the script is done it displays: you IP is 111.222.111.222 (example) and the IP in the kpppload shown local IP is 111.222.111.2 Looks like it can not capture the whole IP. My kppp script is like: Expect sername: Send MyLoginName Expect word: Send MyPassword Expect ver> Send ppp Then I can see the sent IP. pppd starts, no connection. Quite desperate. Thank all responds Zsolt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Jul 7 10:50:37 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's In-Reply-To: <39655BB4.AF0668B3@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > I may be off base here, but I believe that the only Novell stuff available > > for Linux these days is NDS. Quite a different beast than actual NetWare. > > Heh, well, that would explain why I couldn't find the Caldera/Novell > client software when I was looking for it last week.. However, a lot of > the functionality that was in the `official' client software has been > integrated into the open source alternatives in the ncpfs package. > There's also some server software, MARS NWE, though I don't know how > advanced it is, not to mention the fact that the homepage is largely in > German. I should have been more clear. There are certainly third-party products available that will access NetWare shares, emulate Novell servers, etc. What I meant was that the only "official" Novell stuff for Linux is their new NDS 8/eDirectory products. I have used Mars_nwe. It's essentially Samba for NetWare. It works, but only with bindery emulation on your NetWare servers. With official NDS now available, I doubt that Mars_nwe will continue to be developed. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Fri Jul 7 11:00:08 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19488] auction (LOTS of cheap computers) Message-ID: <381623735.962985608658.JavaMail.root@web617-ec.mail.com> On Saturday July 15, The Wright County Government Center in Buffalo will be holding its annual auction. All the used/confiscated stuff gets auctioned and occasionally you can find some nice stuff. The MIS department usually auctions somewhere between 75-100 systems every year. This year we're auctioning off 486 machines and some Pentium 75 machines. These computers have no OS loaded so they should go relatively cheap. Monitors are not included, however there will be a large assortment of 14" VGA and 14" SVGA monitors. Most if not all of this stuff is in working condition. If anyone's interested, here's some directions: From wilson at visi.com Fri Jul 7 12:33:23 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19489] Re: anyone run Xeena? In-Reply-To: <14691.34240.235000.692279@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I have never tried to run Xeena, but the above looks like a very > familiar error in setting the CLASSPATH environment variable. While > running Xeena, this should almost certainly be set to point at either > a distribution directory containing the code or, since this is IBM > code, more likely should contain an absolute path pointing to a .jar > file that's in the distribution. > > My guess would be that there's a shell script that sets this > environment variable and invokes java, and that there's a pathname > error somewhere in that shell script file. BING, BING, BING... We have a winner! Thanks, that was the problem. Now that I can run Xeena, however, I've discovered that it's a real dog on this P150 laptop with 32 MB RAM. :-( -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jul 7 13:00:12 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19486] pppd kppp connection problem References: <6015134CBE9CD3118B960008C7B1A2BE04B13B@MSPA1> Message-ID: <001301bfe83d$33870900$218be23f@gateway> If you are using ppp then you should not even need a script visit www.usfamily.net/linux.html Its an old how to I wrote about two years ago but it should still give you all the right ideas. It should be even easyer to implement them in kppp. ----- Original Message ----- From: Zsolt Domokos To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19486] pppd kppp connection problem > Hello all helpful out there, > > I have installed Mandrake 7.1 just recently. And I have been trying to set > up ppp to dial into my ISP without luck. The problem is the IP that the host > send to my machine is not the same that my machine captures. I can see the > IP sent by the host in the log window and when the script is done it > displays: you IP is 111.222.111.222 (example) and the IP in the kpppload > shown local IP is 111.222.111.2 > Looks like it can not capture the whole IP. > My kppp script is like: > Expect sername: > Send MyLoginName > Expect word: > Send MyPassword > Expect ver> > Send ppp > > Then I can see the sent IP. pppd starts, no connection. > Quite desperate. > > Thank all responds > Zsolt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 7 18:07:53 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19489] Re: anyone run Xeena? References: Message-ID: <396662C9.B284DC9D@tc.umn.edu> I need some install help with my ethernet card and cable modem. I live in richfield. Anyone willing to help me on location in exchange of dinner/gas coupon ? Apu Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > > I have never tried to run Xeena, but the above looks like a very > > familiar error in setting the CLASSPATH environment variable. While > > running Xeena, this should almost certainly be set to point at either > > a distribution directory containing the code or, since this is IBM > > code, more likely should contain an absolute path pointing to a .jar > > file that's in the distribution. > > > > My guess would be that there's a shell script that sets this > > environment variable and invokes java, and that there's a pathname > > error somewhere in that shell script file. > > BING, BING, BING... We have a winner! Thanks, that was the problem. > > Now that I can run Xeena, however, I've discovered that it's a real dog on > this P150 laptop with 32 MB RAM. :-( > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 7 19:16:26 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's References: Message-ID: <396672DA.2054F7BA@tc.umn.edu> > I should have been more clear. There are certainly third-party products > available that will access NetWare shares, emulate Novell servers, etc. What > I meant was that the only "official" Novell stuff for Linux is their new NDS > 8/eDirectory products. Don't worry, you were clear. I was just somewhat surprised that Caldera/Novell decided to drop most of the software and go with just NDS, and I wanted to highlight some of the possible alternatives. > I have used Mars_nwe. It's essentially Samba for NetWare. It works, but only > with bindery emulation on your NetWare servers. With official NDS now > available, I doubt that Mars_nwe will continue to be developed. But NDS doesn't provide file/printer sharing, does it? I thought it was basically an authentication/information framework like NIS or LDAP. I think the Mars_nwe developers will keep working, but I don't have a crystal ball.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: We have determined / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ that this is not your \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) final answer. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Fri Jul 7 20:14:00 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19493] OpenSSH and keys Message-ID: <20000707211400.A10603@attglobal.net> Hello I was using openssh-1.2.1 for a while and recently switched to openssh-2.1.1 With the older version of openssh, I could establish connection to my server over the Internet. With the newer version, the keys that are generated by ssh-keygen do not allow me to connect to my server. The server accepts the keys generated by the older version of ssh. My ssh client is TeraTerm Pro for windows. I do not think that should make any difference. This client works fine with the old keys and the new server. I do not why the new keys are not working with the new server. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Any ideas appreciated. Thank you in advance. Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From insyte at emt-p.org Fri Jul 7 21:58:46 2000 From: insyte at emt-p.org (Ben Beuchler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19494] multiport serial cards Message-ID: <20000707215846.B12864@emt-p.org> Can anyone recommend a multiport serial card (32+ ports) that can be obtained relatively inexpensively? So far everything I've seen has been $1800 or more... Ben -- The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is naturally alarming to people who don't. -- Neal Stephenson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Jul 7 22:24:50 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19494] multiport serial cards References: <20000707215846.B12864@emt-p.org> Message-ID: <39669F02.2EE078DE@innominatus.com> My company prefers the Equinox Serial cards. http://www.equinox.com/product/multiport_main.htm 16 port PCI card is $595. We put 2 of there 16 port cards in our Terminal Servers. We have one ISDN modem attached to those servers as a remote back door into our POP network's incase the ethernet goes down. We have tried some of the Digi serial devices and they are alot more expensive and dont do as much. Ben Beuchler wrote: > Can anyone recommend a multiport serial card (32+ ports) that can be > obtained relatively inexpensively? So far everything I've seen has been > $1800 or more... > > Ben > > -- > The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who > actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite > and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is > naturally alarming to people who don't. > -- Neal Stephenson > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Jul 7 22:34:58 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19461] Multiple VM's In-Reply-To: <396672DA.2054F7BA@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > But NDS doesn't provide file/printer sharing, does it? I thought it was > basically an authentication/information framework like NIS or LDAP. I > think the Mars_nwe developers will keep working, but I don't have a > crystal ball.. I don't want to stray too far from Linux here, and I'm certainly no NetWare expert, but I've learned a bit about it in the last couple weeks developing some Zope stuff. As far as I know, you could theoretically run NetWare without NDS. But in reality, no one would. NDS is really integrated into the whole deal. BTW, some of you who work with LDAP might be interested to know that NDS is pretty much fully LDAP compatible. I'm using some LDAP products for Zope that seem to work just fine with NDS. NDS really is cool. NetWare really has some great products w.r.t authentication and authorization, remote client management, etc. NetWare itself seems really weird, however. It's not all that stable IMHO either. It seems like the NetWare boxen around school are on a rather regular reboot schedule. Now back to your regularly scheduled Linux programming... -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Jul 8 01:52:37 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19494] multiport serial cards In-Reply-To: <20000707215846.B12864@emt-p.org>; from insyte@emt-p.org on Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 09:58:46PM -0500 References: <20000707215846.B12864@emt-p.org> Message-ID: <20000708015237.H750@ringworld.org> * Ben Beuchler [000707 21:57]: > Can anyone recommend a multiport serial card (32+ ports) that can be > obtained relatively inexpensively? So far everything I've seen has been > $1800 or more... Wellllll.... hmmm. Im partial to digi products just because i happen to know one of their linux coders. ;) but, i dont know if the hardware is cheap :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Jul 8 15:25:42 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19493] OpenSSH and keys In-Reply-To: <20000707211400.A10603@attglobal.net> Message-ID: It is working fine for me. Did you make sure the key length was correct and did you replace the config files (/etc/ssh_config and /etc/sshd_config)? These are in a different format or the options are different and they are not directly interchangable. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Subba Rao wrote: > Hello > > I was using openssh-1.2.1 for a while and recently switched to > openssh-2.1.1 > > With the older version of openssh, I could establish connection to my > server over the Internet. With the newer version, the keys that are > generated by ssh-keygen do not allow me to connect to my server. The server > accepts the keys generated by the older version of ssh. > > My ssh client is TeraTerm Pro for windows. I do not think that should make > any difference. This client works fine with the old keys and the new server. > I do not why the new keys are not working with the new server. > > Is anyone else experiencing this problem? > > Any ideas appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > Subba Rao > subb3@attglobal.net > http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ > > => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= > http://www.smcinnovations.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 8 16:08:17 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <200007082108.e68L8MI05530@sprite.real-time.com> the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sat Jul 8 16:17:32 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting In-Reply-To: ; from kozmik@myrealbox.com on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 09:08:17PM +0000 Message-ID: <20000708161732.A17155@localhost> On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 09:08:17PM +0000, Kozmik Krash wrote: >the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they >did the testing...how was it? >oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? > Goddamit! I knew there was something I was gonna do today. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hutera at mediaone.net Sat Jul 8 20:25:10 2000 From: hutera at mediaone.net (Steven Hutera) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19501] Cron messages Message-ID: <3967D476.DD6F09A6@mediaone.net> Hello all. If someone could help me solve this mystery I would appreciate it. I keep getting messages from cron with a subject line /usr/libexec/atrun. And the message says root: not found. Do I need to configure something or is something configured incorrectly? any help would be appreciated. Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Sat Jul 8 20:17:48 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19501] Cron messages In-Reply-To: <3967D476.DD6F09A6@mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Steven Hutera wrote: > If someone could help me solve this mystery I would appreciate it. I > keep getting messages from cron with a subject line /usr/libexec/atrun. > And the message says root: not found. Do I need to configure > something or is something configured incorrectly? any help would be > appreciated. In your root crontab there's a line that's running /usr/libexec/atrun. However, that file is not found. I'd just comment it out, since you apparently don't need it :) Alternatively, search for it's correct location and fix the crontab. -Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Jul 10 12:40:25 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70732D68@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I might have mistakenly thought the e-mail was sent from the St. Cloud Area Linux User Group which I attended last Saturday. I plan on attending the TCLuG meeting within a month with some goodies, if you give me your shipping address I can see if I can get you one. Sorry, Troy Schmidt MTS Applications Test Department. -----Original Message----- From: Kozmik Krash [mailto:kozmik@myrealbox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19499] TCLuG Meeting the meeting was great.however i had to leave before they did the testing...how was it? oh and, what happened with the guy of the pcmcia modem? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 10 13:59:07 2000 From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19504] PHP Installation problems... Message-ID: I am having some problems getting PHP working on my Redhat 6.1 box. I had it installed awhile ago, via RPM but I removed it. Well now I have some time again and I'd like to get learning PHP. My problem is that it will not install. I have tried installing via RPM and after changing httpd.conf and restarting httpd I get an error and this is what is showing up in the logfile: Jul 7 15:56:42 monolith httpd: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp3.so into server: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory The RPM installed without a problem and yet a get this error when restarting apache. I have tried compiling it from source but I get another error when doing the make (something about missing files). Any ideas what I might be missing? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@tc.umn.edu Page Mail : 6123065932@messaging.sprintpcs.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Jul 10 14:24:40 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19504] PHP Installation problems... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201bfeaa4$7e572640$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > I am having some problems getting PHP working on my Redhat 6.1 box. I had > it installed awhile ago, via RPM but I removed it. Well now I have some > time again and I'd like to get learning PHP. My problem is that it will > not install. > > I have tried installing via RPM and after changing httpd.conf and > restarting httpd I get an error and this is what is showing up in the > logfile: > > Jul 7 15:56:42 monolith httpd: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp3.so > into server: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > > The RPM installed without a problem and yet a get this error when > restarting apache. I have tried compiling it from source but I get > another error when doing the make (something about missing files). Hoo-boy. The first thing you might want to check is whether or not libXpm.so.4, or anything similar, exists on your hard drive and whether or not it's in the right place... I'm guessing that what you have is an RPM that forgot to check for a required file while it was installing. Possibly locating & installing/updating the RPM that provides libXpm.so would be the best solution. However, the best advice I can give you is to get the latest source releases of Apache, PHP and maybe MySQL and mod_perl while you're at it, and do a clean build of the whole works. FWIW, the Apache & php compiles are among the cleanest I've seen, and while this is time-consuming and perhaps a bit more intimidating than an RPM install, the end result is much, much better. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 10 14:53:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19504] PHP Installation problems... In-Reply-To: <001201bfeaa4$7e572640$0162a8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 02:24:40PM -0500 References: <001201bfeaa4$7e572640$0162a8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20000710145301.B10500@ringworld.org> * Eric Hillman [000710 14:25]: > Apache, PHP and maybe MySQL and mod_perl while you're at it, and do a clean > build of the whole works. FWIW, the Apache & php compiles are among the > cleanest I've seen, and while this is time-consuming and perhaps a bit more hahah. php has the *worst* configure script for people with non-standard install dirs. I had to hard-code three or four tests at least. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After configuring the webalizer.conf file to my liking I run the webalizer and was given the following error: webalizer: error in loading shared libraries: webalizer: undefined symbol: gdImagePng The program generated the folowing files: webalizer.current daily_usage_200007.png <-- 0 byte file. I thought the following packages (that are installed) would have been all that was required, but I seem to be missing something. libgd-1.3-4.i386.rpm libpng-1.0.3-2.i386.rpm libpng-devel-1.0.3-2.i386.rpm I tried to upgrade to libpng-2.1.0.3-1.i386.rpm, but I was told that it was older than the version already installed. Can anyone tell me what I am missing? Thanks, Mike Glaser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 10 15:22:34 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19507] Cannot get webalizer-2.00.12-2 to run. In-Reply-To: <3969E8EF.18061.1A5D78C@localhost>; from mikeg@tcamerican.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 03:17:03PM -0500 References: <3969E8EF.18061.1A5D78C@localhost> Message-ID: <20000710152234.C10500@ringworld.org> You need to get the newer version of libgd from boutell.com that supports png. * Mike Glaser [000710 15:19]: > I am having some problems with getting webalizer to run on a new RedHat 6.2 > server. > > The package I installed was webalizer-2.00.12-2.i386.rpm. I downloaded it from > rpmfind.net. > > After configuring the webalizer.conf file to my liking I run the webalizer and > was given the following error: > > webalizer: error in loading shared libraries: webalizer: undefined symbol: > gdImagePng > > The program generated the folowing files: > webalizer.current > daily_usage_200007.png <-- 0 byte file. > > I thought the following packages (that are installed) would have been all that > was required, but I seem to be missing something. > libgd-1.3-4.i386.rpm > libpng-1.0.3-2.i386.rpm > libpng-devel-1.0.3-2.i386.rpm > > I tried to upgrade to libpng-2.1.0.3-1.i386.rpm, but I was told that it was older > than the version already installed. > > Can anyone tell me what I am missing? > > Thanks, > Mike Glaser > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. 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I also have an amd k6 III 450, amd k5 90 and 200, and a pentium pro 200 mhz that are gathering dust too. I want to sell them so I have some money for vacation! Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Mon Jul 10 15:43:44 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19510] StarOffice 5.2 and /net Message-ID: <20000710204344.28842.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Howdy. Has anyone successfully installed the SO5.2 package with the networked option /net (or -net)? There was something in their online FAQ about this having problems, but then their FAQ changed radically and even this vague reference was lost. It apparently only breaks with Linux. Yes, I've tried their usenet groups, to no avail. Do they have a support email address? That means desperation, I know. :^) RSVP if you have any ideas. Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 10 16:21:49 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19510] StarOffice 5.2 and /net References: <20000710204344.28842.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <396A3E6D.909C682A@ltiflex.com> Lemme guess...you have a nice, big, .bin file. If that's the case, do ./so-whatever.bin -extract It will extract the archive in the current directory. From there run setup /net and you're all set. It took me about an hour to find that in the user group archives so don't feel too bad. Andy -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 10 16:22:03 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19510] StarOffice 5.2 and /net In-Reply-To: <20000710204344.28842.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>; from bob@math.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 03:43:44PM -0500 References: <20000710204344.28842.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000710162203.D10500@ringworld.org> * bob@math.umn.edu [000710 15:44]: > vague reference was lost. It apparently only breaks with Linux. Strange. I didn't have any issues. I was going to upgrade here in cs/itlabs too soon, perhaps ill try it out tommrow and get back to you. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got a tarball from someone for linux. * Andy Zbikowski [000710 16:22]: > Lemme guess...you have a nice, big, .bin file. > > If that's the case, do ./so-whatever.bin -extract > > It will extract the archive in the current directory. From there run > setup /net and you're all set. It took me about an hour to find that in > the user group archives so don't feel too bad. > > Andy > -- > \\\|/// > \\ - - // > ( @ @ ) > ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ > ( ) > ooooO ) / > ( ) (_/ > \ ( > \_) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't burn your users! -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brian_ackermann at bbros.com Mon Jul 10 16:34:02 2000 From: brian_ackermann at bbros.com (Brian Ackermann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a bit late, but you know that I do.... > From: Lord Xoi > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:54:57 -0500 > To: > Subject: [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights > > I sure could use some assistance with getting the cdrom and X running on > this machine of mine. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From brian_ackermann at bbros.com Mon Jul 10 16:37:49 2000 From: brian_ackermann at bbros.com (Brian Ackermann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doh!! That was supposed to go off-list :) > From: Brian Ackermann > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:34:02 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights > > This is a bit late, but you know that I do.... > >> From: Lord Xoi >> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:54:57 -0500 >> To: >> Subject: [TCLUG:19414] I don't suppose any of you live in Columbia Heights >> >> I sure could use some assistance with getting the cdrom and X running on >> this machine of mine. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Jul 10 16:47:25 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19509] SCSI Confusion? or LVD on a SCSI 2 controler In-Reply-To: Colin Kilbane's message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:43:33 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Colin Kilbane writes: > With the appropriate adapter, scsi 68 pin male to scsi 50 pin male, can I > attach a ultra scsi 2 lvd drive to an older controler, such as the one in > my sgi indy? You can, but they're expensive and kind of tricky since you don't just have to switch pins, but regulate voltage as well. > ps... anybody want a sparc, well most of one that is, it's cluttering up > my living room. I also have an amd k6 III 450, amd k5 90 and 200, and a > pentium pro 200 mhz that are gathering dust too. I want to sell them so I > have some money for vacation! -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 10 16:50:14 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19509] SCSI Confusion? or LVD on a SCSI 2 controler References: Message-ID: <396A4516.32EEBD42@tc.umn.edu> Colin, Could you attach some prices to these things ($XX.XX or best offer would be great)? I might be interested if they are inexpensive enough, but I don't want to bug you if these things are out of my (or someone elses) current price range, or if I don't think they are a great deal, or whatever. A few more details on the items would be good too, but not too many. Thanks, Troy Colin Kilbane wrote: > > With the appropriate adapter, scsi 68 pin male to scsi 50 pin male, can I > attach a ultra scsi 2 lvd drive to an older controler, such as the one in > my sgi indy? > > ps... anybody want a sparc, well most of one that is, it's cluttering up > my living room. I also have an amd k6 III 450, amd k5 90 and 200, and a > pentium pro 200 mhz that are gathering dust too. I want to sell them so I > have some money for vacation! > > Colin Kilbane > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ ..every Man has a Property in his own Person. This no Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. .... The great and chief end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under Government, is the Preservation of their Property. -- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bexley at daily.umn.edu Mon Jul 10 17:19:25 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <962659500.27814.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu> Hi, I've been playing with Debian lately (which I find to be a pretty cool distro!), and I have one (so far) question. How do you make it clear the screen when you log out, so that the login prompt isn't displayed immediately below your last screenful of commands? Not that this is a really big deal, but damnit, I want it to look nicer! :) Oh and does anyone have any suggestions for a good log parser? I've used logcheck before, and it seemed to function alright. Just wondering if there's something lots better out there. Thanks! Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Senior Systems Analyst Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e67ChxI01774 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:43:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 14096 invoked by uid 4000); 7 Jul 2000 12:43:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 14070 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 12:43:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3965D0F9.27A6C91C@cfsmo.honeywell.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:45:45 -0500 From: Clay Fandre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tclug-announce CC: Kyle Killion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19484] Next Installfest Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta4 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List I am currently looking for a location to hold our next installfest. I am thinking about having it next month instead of a meeting, but this all depends on what is available. If you have a place or know of a location where we could hold an installfest, please let me know asap. I've listed a few requirements below: 1. Lotsa power 2. Nice big room with tables 3. Easy unloading/loading access from parking 4. Internet connection (not required, but preferred) 5. Located somewhere in Minnesota -- Clay Fandre Twin Cities Linux Users Group http://www.mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Received: from conjurer.real-time.com (IDENT:qmailr@conjurer.real-time.com [206.10.253.11]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e67CeEI01735 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:40:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 13686 invoked by uid 4000); 7 Jul 2000 12:40:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: list-website: Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 13657 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 12:40:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3965D018.502D1EE6@cfsmo.honeywell.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:42:00 -0500 From: Clay Fandre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tclug-announce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19483] TCLUG Meeting Announcement Sender: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com X-BeenThere: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta4 Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List What: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Meeting When: Saturday July 8th, noon until 2pm Where: Theatre of the St. Paul Student Center, UofM St. Paul Campus (http://www1.umn.edu/tc/maps/StCen/) The theatre is located on the lower lever, immediately on your left when you enter the lower lever. Topic: Embedded Linux - John Shasky of LynuxWorks John is going to talk about his company and how they are using Linux for embedded systems. His outline can be found on the TCLUG website. Click here for driving directions http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/mqtrip?link=btwn/twn-ddir_to_form&DLL=449845,-931863&DEST_NAME=2017+BUFORD+AVE,+SAINT+PAUL,+MN,+55108-6178,+US&uid=uie3.3m7.82cp9te:ba1zbw1y8&DCC=US For more information, visit the TCLUG website: http://www.mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 10 17:23:34 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Benjamin Exley wrote: > Hi, > > I've been playing with Debian lately (which I find to be a pretty cool > distro!), and I have one (so far) question. How do you make it clear > the screen when you log out, so that the login prompt isn't > displayed immediately below your last screenful of commands? > > Not that this is a really big deal, but damnit, I want it to look nicer! :) > > Oh and does anyone have any suggestions for a good log parser? > I've used logcheck before, and it seemed to function alright. Just > wondering if there's something lots better out there. > > Thanks! Edit .bash_logout in /etc/skel and add a 'clear' command :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 10 17:30:20 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question References: Message-ID: <396A4E7C.EA09B5FD@tc.umn.edu> Nate Carlson wrote: > > Edit .bash_logout in /etc/skel and add a 'clear' command :) Well, and edit in $HOME for any users you have on your system. The /etc/skel trick only works for users that you add later (unless you use symlinks or something..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ As I said before, I never / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ repeat myself. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Jul 10 17:52:16 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <396A4E7C.EA09B5FD@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Nate Carlson wrote: > > Edit .bash_logout in /etc/skel and add a 'clear' command :) > Well, and edit in $HOME for any users you have on your system. The > /etc/skel trick only works for users that you add later (unless you use > symlinks or something..) The other option is to switch over to using mingetty instead of Debian's default getty (mingetty is the default used by most RPM-based distros). In your /etc/inittab, you have a few lines that look like: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 ... Change them to: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty1 2:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2 The --noclear option specifies that the tty should *not* be cleared on logout -- I use this on tty1 so that my init messages aren't cleared. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jonathankl at ism-sabis.net Mon Jul 10 18:04:04 2000 From: jonathankl at ism-sabis.net (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question References: <396A4E7C.EA09B5FD@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003001bfeac3$2909e5a0$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Switch from mingetty to getty!!!! Fixed teh same probl;em I had in Slack ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Jonathan A. Kline, A+ Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ --END Geek Code-- ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hicks" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > Edit .bash_logout in /etc/skel and add a 'clear' command :) > > Well, and edit in $HOME for any users you have on your system. The > /etc/skel trick only works for users that you add later (unless you use > symlinks or something..) > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ As I said before, I never > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ repeat myself. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Jul 10 20:33:01 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu>; from bexley@daily.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 05:19:25PM -0500 References: <962659500.27814.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000710203301.A3942@localhost> On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 05:19:25PM -0500, Benjamin Exley wrote: >Hi, > >wondering if there's something lots better out there. > No there's not. Debian is the best. All the others pale in comparison. IMHO anyway. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 10 23:23:29 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <20000710203301.A3942@localhost>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 08:33:01PM -0500 References: <962659500.27814.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000710203301.A3942@localhost> Message-ID: <20000710232328.F10500@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [000710 20:33]: > >wondering if there's something lots better out there. > No there's not. Debian is the best. All the others pale in comparison. Yeah. nothing compares. :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000710/a5718297/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 00:27:09 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question References: <962659500.27814.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000710203301.A3942@localhost> <20000710232328.F10500@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <396AB02D.5C490736@ringworld.org> Scott Dier wrote: > > * Ben Lutgens [000710 20:33]: > > >wondering if there's something lots better out there. > > No there's not. Debian is the best. All the others pale in comparison. > Yeah. nothing compares. :) We are the Debain Deciples. We will convert you. Resistance is futile. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Jul 11 00:53:44 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <396AB02D.5C490736@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:27:09AM -0500 References: <962659500.27814.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <2444F3F1A8C@main.daily.umn.edu> <20000710203301.A3942@localhost> <20000710232328.F10500@ringworld.org> <396AB02D.5C490736@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000711005344.A8107@localhost> On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:27:09AM -0500, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: >Scott Dier wrote: >> >> * Ben Lutgens [000710 20:33]: >> > >wondering if there's something lots better out there. >> > No there's not. Debian is the best. All the others pale in comparison. >> Yeah. nothing compares. :) > >We are the Debain Deciples. We will convert you. Resistance is futile. > Yeah! good to know we are growing stronger everyday. soon there will be only one (that anyone'll admit anyway) hahah Note: this is humor. only meant to amuse. please, noone take this personally. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 02:05:06 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors Message-ID: Amongst other errors (make exiting loudly, etc.), I get the following every time I try to build my kernel, after it compiles a few files: gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 cpp: output pipe has been closed Anyone seen this? What's wrong? Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Jul 11 03:24:23 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 That's a segfault. Check your RAM and CPU for heat, and then for, well, anything else. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 11 06:51:04 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question In-Reply-To: <20000710203301.A3942@localhost> Message-ID: > >wondering if there's something lots better out there. > > > No there's not. Debian is the best. All the others pale in comparison. Yes, that's right: one thing is categorically best for everyone, they just have to be bludgeoned into understanding that. Andy > > IMHO anyway. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tre at phayze.com Tue Jul 11 09:09:54 2000 From: tre at phayze.com (Tre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19531] my laptop and linux Message-ID: <293582000721114954991@phayze.com> okay i got a quick quesiton. im trying to run X on my laptop, and i can't seem to find the proper *monitor* for it ? it's a compaq presario 1247 ? any one got any ideas thanks -Tre _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nate at techie.com Tue Jul 11 09:04:35 2000 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors Message-ID: <000711100435J2.08860@weba6.iname.net> ---- you wrote: > Amongst other errors (make exiting loudly, etc.), I get the following > every time I try to build my kernel, after it compiles a few files: > > gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 > cpp: output pipe has been closed > > Anyone seen this? What's wrong? I saw this with a DEC Multia I had once. It had some flakey cache chips or poor memory. I would get them all the time. What machine are you getting these on? Check the memory and cache first. There is a FAQ on Sig11, see http://www.BitWizard.nl/sig11/ Nate ------------------------------------------------------ Get free personalized email at http://four11.iname.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 11 09:11:54 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19531] my laptop and linux In-Reply-To: <293582000721114954991@phayze.com> Message-ID: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ has 2 links to installation descriptions for that model, including a new one. Andy On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Tre wrote: > okay i got a quick quesiton. > im trying to run X on my laptop, and i can't seem to find the proper > *monitor* for it ? it's a compaq presario 1247 ? any one got any ideas > > thanks > -Tre > > _____________________________________________ > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 09:19:16 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19531] my laptop and linux In-Reply-To: <293582000721114954991@phayze.com>; from tre@phayze.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:09:54AM -0500 References: <293582000721114954991@phayze.com> Message-ID: <20000711091916.A11518@yahoo.com> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ Best site for getting linux running on laptops. Tim On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:09:54AM -0500, Tre wrote: > okay i got a quick quesiton. > im trying to run X on my laptop, and i can't seem to find the proper > *monitor* for it ? it's a compaq presario 1247 ? any one got any ideas > > thanks > -Tre > > _____________________________________________ > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Jul 11 01:50:10 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19519] Debian logout question Message-ID: <200007110650.BAA06183@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Andy wrote: >>> wondering if there's something lots better out there. >>> >> No there's not. Debian is the best. All the others pale in comparison. > > Yes, that's right: one thing is categorically best for everyone, they > just have to be bludgeoned into understanding that. So I take it you don't want to see my Debian tattoo? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 11 10:21:39 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors In-Reply-To: from "Kevin R. Bullock" at "Jul 11, 2000 02:05:06 am" Message-ID: Kevin R. Bullock said: > Amongst other errors (make exiting loudly, etc.), I get the following > every time I try to build my kernel, after it compiles a few files: > > gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 > cpp: output pipe has been closed > > Anyone seen this? What's wrong? Not too long ago, I started getting this on a firewallish box building a 2.2.14 kernel after doing a major kernel reconfig. I suspect that it may have been related to including a number of the 'IP Advanced Router' options, but I didn't bother trying to isolate the exact cause. (This same box had successfully compiled its previous 2.2.14 kernel.) Before trying to track down the offending option, I copied over the 2.2.16 source, and (with the same kernel config) it compiled just fine. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 11 10:24:43 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19537] [OT] Amusement.. someone trying to buy my domain. Message-ID: This is pretty funny, someone is trying to threaten me into giving them my domain (infiniteloop.com)... gotta love it. :) (Just attaching my replies to their e-mails..) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:20:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Carlson To: Kinike45@aol.com Subject: Re: Sale of domain On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > I am very interested in purchasing you domain name. This is a private > endevor, not a greedy corporation. I hope you will write back with a figure > that we can work on. Thank you for your time. As I tell everyone else, just make me an offer, and I'll give you an answer. Thanks! --- nate carlson the infinite loop natecars@infiniteloop.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This was the first e-mail I received from them. Because I'm not really using my domain for anything but e-mail (which is still a valid use), if they wanted the domain for something really cool, I probably would have sold it to them for a very reasonable rate. But, of course, I'm not about to tell anyone that.... and now for their replies: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Carlson To: Kinike45@aol.com Subject: Re: Sale of domain On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > My offer is that you just hand over the domain, and no one will get hurt. > Thanks. Hmm, no thanks. --- nate carlson the infinite loop natecars@infiniteloop.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Carlson To: Kinike45@aol.com Subject: Re: Sale of domain On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > Do you know who you are dealing with? I will crush you! Oh yeah, the @aol.com really gives that away. --- nate carlson the infinite loop natecars@infiniteloop.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gotta love it! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jul 11 10:29:31 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19537] [OT] Amusement.. someone trying to buy my domain. In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:24:43AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000711102931.A18642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hmmm... script kiddie, probably... Just turn up your packet logging :) Gabe On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:24:43AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > This is pretty funny, someone is trying to threaten me into giving them my > domain (infiniteloop.com)... gotta love it. :) (Just attaching my > replies to their e-mails..) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:20:02 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nate Carlson > To: Kinike45@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sale of domain > > On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > > I am very interested in purchasing you domain name. This is a > private > > endevor, not a greedy corporation. I hope you will write back with a > figure > > that we can work on. Thank you for your time. > > As I tell everyone else, just make me an offer, and I'll give you an > answer. Thanks! > > --- > nate carlson > the infinite loop > natecars@infiniteloop.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This was the first e-mail I received from them. Because I'm not really > using my domain for anything but e-mail (which is still a valid use), if > they wanted the domain for something really cool, I probably would have > sold it to them for a very reasonable rate. But, of course, I'm not about > to tell anyone that.... and now for their replies: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:20 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nate Carlson > To: Kinike45@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sale of domain > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > > My offer is that you just hand over the domain, and no one will get > hurt. > > Thanks. > > Hmm, no thanks. > > --- > nate carlson > the infinite loop > natecars@infiniteloop.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:58 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nate Carlson > To: Kinike45@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sale of domain > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > > Do you know who you are dealing with? I will crush you! > > Oh yeah, the @aol.com really gives that away. > > --- > nate carlson > the infinite loop > natecars@infiniteloop.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gotta love it! > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen every Tarzan movie ever made!" - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Tue Jul 11 10:39:00 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19510] StarOffice 5.2 and /net In-Reply-To: <396A4009.ADA5E290@ltiflex.com> from Andy Zbikowski at "Jul 10, 2000 04:28:41 pm" Message-ID: <20000711153900.31294.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Andy Zbikowski allegedly wrote: > Scott Dier wrote: > > > > Ahh. I see, they repackaged the sucker. > > > > I got a tarball from someone for linux. > > > Repackaged, and didn't document. Bad Sun! Don't burn your users! OK, so I'm twiddling the Slackware install that comes up after ./so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin -extract setup /net Suse is what I have at home, but after a little poking about I find the package list, containing StarOffice 5.1 and the fix for it. No sign of 5.2. Clearly something is wrong with what I'm doing. Help! Oh to see that wondrous suffix, tar.gz. :^) Also, it seems a bit odd that they went from a swanky full-screen GUI to using the Slackware mechanism - without BTW including anything in the README warning the uninitiated as to what was coming. Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 11 10:42:56 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19537] [OT] Amusement.. someone trying to buy my domain. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: haha.. that's quite amusing.. I immagin a loony toon style grand piano falling on you.. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > This is pretty funny, someone is trying to threaten me into giving them my > domain (infiniteloop.com)... gotta love it. :) (Just attaching my > replies to their e-mails..) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:20:02 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nate Carlson > To: Kinike45@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sale of domain > > On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > > I am very interested in purchasing you domain name. This is a > private > > endevor, not a greedy corporation. I hope you will write back with a > figure > > that we can work on. Thank you for your time. > > As I tell everyone else, just make me an offer, and I'll give you an > answer. Thanks! > > --- > nate carlson > the infinite loop > natecars@infiniteloop.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This was the first e-mail I received from them. Because I'm not really > using my domain for anything but e-mail (which is still a valid use), if > they wanted the domain for something really cool, I probably would have > sold it to them for a very reasonable rate. But, of course, I'm not about > to tell anyone that.... and now for their replies: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:20 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nate Carlson > To: Kinike45@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sale of domain > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > > My offer is that you just hand over the domain, and no one will get > hurt. > > Thanks. > > Hmm, no thanks. > > --- > nate carlson > the infinite loop > natecars@infiniteloop.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:58 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nate Carlson > To: Kinike45@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sale of domain > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Kinike45@aol.com wrote: > > Do you know who you are dealing with? I will crush you! > > Oh yeah, the @aol.com really gives that away. > > --- > nate carlson > the infinite loop > natecars@infiniteloop.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gotta love it! > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 11 10:46:08 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19537] [OT] Amusement.. someone trying to buy my domain. In-Reply-To: from Ben Kochie at "Jul 11, 2000 10:42:56 am" Message-ID: Ben Kochie said: > haha.. that's quite amusing.. I immagin a loony toon style grand piano > falling on you.. :) No, it reminds me more of the old Kids in the Hall 'I crush your head' bit. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 11 11:00:07 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19537] [OT] Amusement.. someone trying to buy my domain. In-Reply-To: <20000711102931.A18642@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > Hmmm... script kiddie, probably... Just turn up your packet logging :) Heh, yup yup.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 11 11:21:06 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors References: Message-ID: <009f01bfeb54$041860f0$dd29680a@tgt.com> I believe a signal 11 may signify a memory problem. Perhaps you need to look at a new chip or two. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sherohman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors > Kevin R. Bullock said: > > Amongst other errors (make exiting loudly, etc.), I get the following > > every time I try to build my kernel, after it compiles a few files: > > > > gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 > > cpp: output pipe has been closed > > > > Anyone seen this? What's wrong? > > Not too long ago, I started getting this on a firewallish box building > a 2.2.14 kernel after doing a major kernel reconfig. I suspect that it > may have been related to including a number of the 'IP Advanced Router' > options, but I didn't bother trying to isolate the exact cause. (This same > box had successfully compiled its previous 2.2.14 kernel.) > > Before trying to track down the offending option, I copied over the 2.2.16 > source, and (with the same kernel config) it compiled just fine. > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Jul 11 11:23:04 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19510] StarOffice 5.2 and /net References: <20000711153900.31294.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <396B49E8.5050E206@ltiflex.com> > > Suse is what I have at home, but after a little poking about I find the > package list, containing StarOffice 5.1 and the fix for it. No sign > of 5.2. Clearly something is wrong with what I'm doing. Help! Oh to see > that wondrous suffix, tar.gz. :^) > > Also, it seems a bit odd that they went from a swanky full-screen GUI > to using the Slackware mechanism - without BTW including anything in the > README warning the uninitiated as to what was coming. WHAT? Sounds like slackware has a tool called setup. cd to where you extracted Star Office, then type this: ./setup /net By just typing setup, your shell looks in it's PATH enviorment variable (usually /usr/bin;/usr/local/bin;/usr/X11R6/bin;etc) but not the current directory. One of those little mistakes that will just make you smack your head and say..."Ok, that was stupid, but I'm sure I'm not the first to do it." -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Tue Jul 11 11:32:42 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19510] StarOffice 5.2 and /net In-Reply-To: <396B49E8.5050E206@ltiflex.com> from Andy Zbikowski at "Jul 11, 2000 11:23:04 am" Message-ID: <20000711163242.31659.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Andy Zbikowski allegedly wrote: > > > > Suse is what I have at home, but after a little poking about I find the > > package list, containing StarOffice 5.1 and the fix for it. No sign > > of 5.2. Clearly something is wrong with what I'm doing. Help! Oh to see > > that wondrous suffix, tar.gz. :^) > > > > Also, it seems a bit odd that they went from a swanky full-screen GUI > > to using the Slackware mechanism - without BTW including anything in the > > README warning the uninitiated as to what was coming. > > WHAT? Sounds like slackware has a tool called setup. > > cd to where you extracted Star Office, then type this: > ./setup /net > > By just typing setup, your shell looks in it's PATH enviorment variable > (usually /usr/bin;/usr/local/bin;/usr/X11R6/bin;etc) but not the current > directory. > > One of those little mistakes that will just make you smack your head and > say..."Ok, that was stupid, but I'm sure I'm not the first to do it." Arg. Thanks. With reddened forehead, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 11:38:28 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19528] Weird gcc errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Yaron wrote: > That's a segfault. Check your RAM and CPU for heat, and then for, well, > anything else. Right after I sent the message I realized that was the problem. Same reason I can't play q3a for too long right now... *kicks his crappy fan and motherboard* This was actually the first error that Linux gave me (Windows has been misbehaving for a long time) since my processor started heating up. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Jul 11 12:38:22 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19547] [OT] royalty-free images Message-ID: Hi everyone, I working on writing some training manuals this summer for our Community Education group at school. There will be three in all, a basic intro to using a computer, an introduction to Win9x, and intro to the Internet. (I wonder how many Linux references I can sneak in?) I'm wondering if anyone knows of a soure of high-quality, royalty-free clipart of computers and computer-related parts. I'm thinking of CPUs, hard drives, RAM chips, external shots of computers, a mouse, keyboard, etc. On a related note, is anyone aware of the legality of including screen shots of commerical software in a book? The manuals that I'm writing will be *purchased* by the people who take the courses, so I suspect that we'll have to be more careful about what we include. I'd appreciate any advice. (Maybe there's a lawyer who's subscribed out there.) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jul 11 12:57:05 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19547] [OT] royalty-free images References: Message-ID: <396B5FF1.3E3F6C71@structural-wood.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I working on writing some training manuals this summer for our Community > Education group at school. There will be three in all, a basic intro to > using a computer, an introduction to Win9x, and intro to the Internet. (I > wonder how many Linux references I can sneak in?) Can you create the documentation on Linux? It would be good publicity to have the title page of the training manuals say "Created using Framemaker for Linux" (or StarOffice, or WordPerfect, or ???). > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a soure of high-quality, royalty-free > clipart of computers and computer-related parts. I'm thinking of CPUs, hard > drives, RAM chips, external shots of computers, a mouse, keyboard, etc. > > On a related note, is anyone aware of the legality of including screen shots > of commerical software in a book? The manuals that I'm writing will be > *purchased* by the people who take the courses, so I suspect that we'll have > to be more careful about what we include. > > I'd appreciate any advice. (Maybe there's a lawyer who's subscribed out > there.) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Tue Jul 11 13:13:05 2000 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19547] [OT] royalty-free images Message-ID: You could maybe let Tux be their guide (so where can you get images of Tux?). The irony of Tux introducing new users to Win9x... Hmmm... > ---------- > From: Kent Schumacher[SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19547] [OT] royalty-free images > > Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I working on writing some training manuals this summer for our Community > > Education group at school. There will be three in all, a basic intro to > > using a computer, an introduction to Win9x, and intro to the Internet. (I > > wonder how many Linux references I can sneak in?) > > Can you create the documentation on Linux? It would be good publicity > to have the title page of the training manuals say "Created using Framemaker > for Linux" (or StarOffice, or WordPerfect, or ???). > > > > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a soure of high-quality, royalty-free > > clipart of computers and computer-related parts. I'm thinking of CPUs, hard > > drives, RAM chips, external shots of computers, a mouse, keyboard, etc. > > > > On a related note, is anyone aware of the legality of including screen shots > > of commerical software in a book? The manuals that I'm writing will be > > *purchased* by the people who take the courses, so I suspect that we'll have > > to be more careful about what we include. > > > > I'd appreciate any advice. (Maybe there's a lawyer who's subscribed out > > there.) > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Kent Schumacher > > Structural Wood Corporation > 4000 Labore Rd. > St. Paul, MN 55110 > > Phone: (651) 426-8111 > Fax: (651) 426-6859 > e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Jul 11 13:21:51 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19547] [OT] royalty-free images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601bfeb64$e2601d70$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a soure of high-quality, royalty-free > clipart of computers and computer-related parts. I'm thinking of CPUs, hard > drives, RAM chips, external shots of computers, a mouse, keyboard, etc. Try arttoday.com -- They have a lot of freely downloadable clip-art, although the best stuff is subscriber-only. I don't know whether or not it's free if you're putting it in something you intend to sell, but, hey, who's going to notice? > On a related note, is anyone aware of the legality of including screen shots > of commerical software in a book? The manuals that I'm writing will be > *purchased* by the people who take the courses, so I suspect that we'll have > to be more careful about what we include. > I seem to recall "educational use" as being a valid form of Fair Use, although the fact that you're selling the manual may, again, complicate things. Although, if a company can claim copyright on *screen shots* of their product, doesn't that bring us pretty close to the point where MS can claim ownership of any document created using Word? I guess my advice would be to just go for it. Like they say, copyright infringement is your best entertainment value... ---BEGIN PBP SIGNATURE--- Version: Pretty Bad Privacy v0.23 180G ----END PBP SIGNATURE---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 13:33:09 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19547] [OT] royalty-free images In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:38:22PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000711133309.A15834@ringworld.org> * Timothy Wilson [000711 12:38]: > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a soure of high-quality, royalty-free > clipart of computers and computer-related parts. I'm thinking of CPUs, hard > drives, RAM chips, external shots of computers, a mouse, keyboard, etc. Take a look at corel's clipart collections. They are huge, expensive, but totally royalty free :) > On a related note, is anyone aware of the legality of including screen shots > of commerical software in a book? The manuals that I'm writing will be I would just be sure to ack the programs owners in the begenning of the document saying its all their trademark blah blah blah -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sharmay at usa.net Tue Jul 11 14:37:59 2000 From: sharmay at usa.net (Yogesh Sharma) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? Message-ID: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Hi everyboody, I have dialup service setup on my Redhat 6.2 linux box to browse internet and check email. For outgoing email I am using smtp services provided by my ISP. Instead of using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. Is it possible ? Which software is good ? Thanks Yogesh ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 11 16:34:46 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? References: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <396B92F6.43052C3@tc.umn.edu> sendmail is a good one for this. try man sendmail Yogesh Sharma wrote: > Hi everyboody, > > I have dialup service setup on my Redhat 6.2 linux box to browse internet and > check email. > > For outgoing email I am using smtp services provided by my ISP. Instead of > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. > > Is it possible ? Which software is good ? > > Thanks > > Yogesh > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Jul 11 14:56:27 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? References: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <396B7BEB.62BD2802@maddog.mn-linux.org> Yogesh Sharma wrote: > > Hi everyboody, > > I have dialup service setup on my Redhat 6.2 linux box to browse internet and > check email. > > For outgoing email I am using smtp services provided by my ISP. Instead of > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. > > Is it possible ? Which software is good ? A default RH 6.2 system has sendmail running by default. This will allow you to relay outgoing messages as long as you do it from the local machine. (set localhost as your outgoing SMTP server) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 14:54:49 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? In-Reply-To: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net>; from sharmay@usa.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 03:37:59PM -0400 References: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <20000711145449.B15834@ringworld.org> * Yogesh Sharma [000711 14:38]: > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. Keep in mind, I.. among many others.. use a list of ip addresses of most of the dialup lines in the world so that we can block email coming from them so we can better fight spam. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Dier wrote: > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:  > MIME Type: multipart/signed > --------------------------------------------- > * Yogesh Sharma [000711 14:38]: > > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which > > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. > > Keep in mind, I.. among many others.. use a list of ip addresses of most > of the dialup lines in the world so that we can block email coming from > them so we can better fight spam. > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > > http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: application/pgp-signature > MIME Type: application/pgp-signature > --------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME Type: text/plain > --------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 15:00:46 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19557] Re: [Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ?] In-Reply-To: <20000711195945.23802.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net>; from sharmay@usa.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 03:59:45PM -0400 References: <20000711195945.23802.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <20000711150046.C15834@ringworld.org> search for the DUL list. * Yogesh Sharma [000711 15:00]: > Can you pass me that list, if its not a problem. > > Scott Dier wrote: > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Attachment:? > > MIME Type:?multipart/signed > > --------------------------------------------- > > * Yogesh Sharma [000711 14:38]: > > > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, > which > > > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. > > > > Keep in mind, I.. among many others.. use a list of ip addresses of most > > of the dialup lines in the world so that we can block email coming from > > them so we can better fight spam. > > > > -- > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > Wait. 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In-Reply-To: Scott Dier's message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:54:49 -0500" References: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> <20000711145449.B15834@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Yogesh Sharma [000711 14:38]: > > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which > > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. > > Keep in mind, I.. among many others.. use a list of ip addresses of most > of the dialup lines in the world so that we can block email coming from > them so we can better fight spam. So even if someone is hosting a domain off of a dialup you won't accept mail from them? Seems rather exterme to me, especially since I have done just that in the past. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jul 11 15:44:42 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? In-Reply-To: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> from Yogesh Sharma at "Jul 11, 2000 03:37:59 pm" Message-ID: Yogesh Sharma said: > For outgoing email I am using smtp services provided by my ISP. Instead of > using ISP servies, is it possibel that I can use my PC as SMTP server, which > will send / transfer all my email to the desired location. > > Is it possible ? Very possible. Remember: Most ISPs run *nix servers. Linux runs most (if not all) popular *nix software. Therefore, you can probably run whatever your ISP is using (unless they're running NT servers). > Which software is good ? sendmail is the most common MTA out there, but notoriously complex to configure and secure. qmail is probably the next most popular, but that's about as much as I know about it. Then there's exim, which is what I run. IIRC, it's Debian's default MTA. Either way, their configuration script for it (eximconfig) is pretty good - you'll definitely want to tweak the generated config file by hand (if for no other reason that, unless you have your own domain name, the generated config will consider all of your ISP's users to be local to your machine), but it's chock full of good comments which should be sufficient documentation for whatever you need to do. exim also has built-in support for the RBL (useful for filtering spammers) and smarthosts (so that people using the RBL or DUL won't assume that you're one of the spammers they want to filter). -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 11 16:16:03 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 03:40:22PM -0500 References: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> <20000711145449.B15834@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000711161603.D15834@ringworld.org> * Jon Schewe [000711 15:36]: > So even if someone is hosting a domain off of a dialup you won't accept mail > from them? Seems rather exterme to me, especially since I have done just that > in the past. The idea being, no dynamic dialup user has the right to send mail directly to this host. Therefore, it cuts down on the amount of crap spam that we get. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be sure to include a colophon that emphasizes that the entire project was created with free software. (That is if I can do what I need with KIllistrator or the like without using Adobe Illustrator.) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Jul 11 16:26:08 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19553] Is it possible ? In-Reply-To: Scott Dier's message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:16:03 -0500" References: <20000711193759.26996.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> <20000711145449.B15834@ringworld.org> <20000711161603.D15834@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Jon Schewe [000711 15:36]: > > So even if someone is hosting a domain off of a dialup you won't accept mail > > from them? Seems rather exterme to me, especially since I have done just that > > in the past. > > The idea being, no dynamic dialup user has the right to send mail > directly to this host. Therefore, it cuts down on the amount of crap > spam that we get. Ahh, dynamic dialup user. That's the key. When I was using dialup to host my domain I had a static IP. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 12 00:24:08 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19507] Cannot get webalizer-2.00.12-2 to run. In-Reply-To: <200007112308.TAA24623@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from jurupari@geocities.com on Tue, Dec 31, 1996 at 11:45:52PM -0600 References: <3969E8EF.18061.1A5D78C@localhost>; <20000710152234.C10500@ringworld.org> <200007112308.TAA24623@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20000712002408.F15834@ringworld.org> * Jurupari [000711 18:09]: > Thanks for taking the time to reply Scott. > > I went to www.boutell.com and dowloaded the latest version of libgd - > I think it was 1.8.3. I followed the build instructions they provided > but I continued to receive the same error as above. Hrm. thats strange. Sorry my idea didn't help :( -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > I finally found a place to host our next Installfest. It is in Edina and > is available on Saturday August 12. To get an idea of how many might > attend, please take a second to fill out the poll on the TCLUG webpage. > http://www.mn-linux.org > > For those of you who don't know what an installfest is, go here: > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ > > I will send out an official annoucement in the next few days. > > Clay > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 11:16:56 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19566] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000712111656.00a51be0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Edina's awfully spread out... how about pinning down the street adress so those that bus it can calculate the bus routes and times... gs At 11:05 AM 7/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >I finally found a place to host our next Installfest. It is in Edina and >is available on Saturday August 12. To get an idea of how many might >attend, please take a second to fill out the poll on the TCLUG webpage. >http://www.mn-linux.org > >For those of you who don't know what an installfest is, go here: >http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ > >I will send out an official annoucement in the next few days. > >Clay > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jul 12 11:37:21 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19566] Next TCLUG Installfest References: <3.0.5.32.20000712111656.00a51be0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <396C9EC1.730B0BA2@maddog.mn-linux.org> George Swan wrote: > > Edina's awfully spread out... how about pinning down the street adress so > those that bus it can calculate the bus routes and times... > > gs > The next installfest will be at Benchmark Computer Learning. http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 12 11:36:13 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19566] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:11:32AM -0500 References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000712113613.A27959@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [000712 11:11]: > you had to set it up for when all of us are going to be on our way to > california for LWCE :( Yeah. this is unfortanute :( -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. 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I'd like to compare the figure to the ENIAC from the 1940s that could do 300/s. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 13:45:14 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19574] RE: tclug-list Digest 12 Jul 2000 18:03:00 -0000Issue 662 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Trainor, Kevin T. wrote: > Clay wrote: > >> Edina's awfully spread out... how about pinning down the street adress so > >> those that bus it can calculate the bus routes and times... > >The next installfest will be at Benchmark Computer Learning. > >http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp > > This is right on the 28K bus route, but I'm not sure if > that runs on the weekends. That's inconvenient; you'd get there faster if it was at least on the 56K. ;P -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Wed Jul 12 13:28:06 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19575] Web based password updating Message-ID: <396CB8B6.91BC9BA2@udlp.com> A while back I heard mention of a way to allow users to change their password via a canned web interface? Does anybody remember the details? Thanks. -- Seth Bernsen Software Engineer United Defense Phone: 612-572-4993 Fax: 612-572-4858 http://www.udlp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Kevin.T.Trainor at norwest.com Wed Jul 12 13:02:50 2000 From: Kevin.T.Trainor at norwest.com (Trainor, Kevin T.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19574] RE: tclug-list Digest 12 Jul 2000 18:03:00 -0000 Issue 662 Message-ID: Clay wrote: >> Edina's awfully spread out... how about pinning down the street adress so >> those that bus it can calculate the bus routes and times... >The next installfest will be at Benchmark Computer Learning. >http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp This is right on the 28K bus route, but I'm not sure if that runs on the weekends. Kevin Trainor "Some people like to go out dancing But other people like us, well we gotta work." --Lou Reed, "Sweet Jane" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 13:02:43 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Does anyone know how many multiplications/second that recent vintage > Intel/AMD chips can do? I'd like to compare the figure to the ENIAC from the > 1940s that could do 300/s. It's on the order of millions -- hence Mflops. I can't tell you what the current chips run (bet it's on an Intel website somewhere) but I can tell you that clock speeds of 200kHz were not uncommon. I forget when the 1MHz clock speed was broken, but it's in the lifetimes of some list members -- more that you might think! Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 12 12:13:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19572] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:82] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org>; from cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:05:17AM -0500 References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org): > I finally found a place to host our next Installfest. It is in Edina and > is available on Saturday August 12. To get an idea of how many might > attend, please take a second to fill out the poll on the TCLUG webpage. > http://www.mn-linux.org > > For those of you who don't know what an installfest is, go here: > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ Ugh. That is the Saturday before Linux Expo. Anyone else going? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jul 12 14:57:57 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19575] Web based password updating References: <396CB8B6.91BC9BA2@udlp.com> Message-ID: <396CCDC5.B112EAED@maddog.mn-linux.org> "Seth I. Bernsen" wrote: > > A while back I heard mention of a way to allow users to change their > password via a canned web interface? Does anybody remember the > details? Thanks. At Honeywell I created a simple perl CGI web form that did this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 12 15:17:47 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > It's on the order of millions -- hence Mflops I wasn't sure that 1 flop == 1 multiplication/sec It seems like there are so many benchmarks around, it's hard to know for sure what means what anymore. All I really care about it BogoMIPS anyway. :-) -Tim (Writing from his 397 BogoMIP PPro 200) -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 15:23:06 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > > It's on the order of millions -- hence Mflops > > I wasn't sure that 1 flop == 1 multiplication/sec It isn't, necessarily. A flop is a floating point operation (anything with decimals in it). I don't know if it includes addition/subtraction or just mutliplication/division. Are you looking for pure integer performance? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 15:25:27 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19575] Web based password updating In-Reply-To: <396CCDC5.B112EAED@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > "Seth I. Bernsen" wrote: > > > > A while back I heard mention of a way to allow users to change their > > password via a canned web interface? Does anybody remember the > > details? Thanks. > > At Honeywell I created a simple perl CGI web form that did this. Be careful with security though. Use SSL, and make sure your script doesn't let the user execute arbitrary commands on the machine! Did your script at Honeywell switch user to the person who was doing the change, then run passwd, or did it edit the password file directly? I'm just curious. Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 12 15:26:50 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > It isn't, necessarily. A flop is a floating point operation (anything with > decimals in it). I don't know if it includes addition/subtraction or just > mutliplication/division. > > Are you looking for pure integer performance? Just a "ballpark" answer really. I'll do some digging around the Intel and AMD sites. I'm sure that a Mflop rating will suffice. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Jul 12 15:28:49 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > It's on the order of millions -- hence Mflops > > I wasn't sure that 1 flop == 1 multiplication/sec FlOp == Floating point Operation I would imagine that for ENIAC you'd want inter benchmarks (I'm assuming that ENIAC was integer only, but I don't really know) > It seems like there are so many benchmarks around, it's hard to know for > sure what means what anymore. All I really care about it BogoMIPS anyway. > :-) > > -Tim > > (Writing from his 397 BogoMIP PPro 200) I don't really know how a BogoMIP is figured but isn't a PPro dual pipeline making it able to complete 2 integer calcs per clock cycle? So *theoretically* it could do 400 MIPS; pretty darned close to 397 BogoMIPS. If this is true then a BogoMIP might be what you're looking for. Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rhankins at d.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 15:37:16 2000 From: rhankins at d.umn.edu (ryan hankins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I don't really know how a BogoMIP is figured but isn't a PPro dual Use the source: http://lxr.linux.no/source/init/main.c?v=2.4.0-test2#L297 The kernel binary searches for the value of BogoMIPS. I don't _think_ intel publishes the number of cycles each instruction takes. > pipeline making it able to complete 2 integer calcs per clock cycle? So > *theoretically* it could do 400 MIPS; pretty darned close to 397 BogoMIPS. > > If this is true then a BogoMIP might be what you're looking for. > > Charlie > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 15:51:04 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, ryan hankins wrote: > I don't _think_ intel publishes the number of cycles each instruction > takes. Yes, but the only place I know of for sure is something like the databook for the chip. Unfortunately I forgot exactly what it was called. The architecture manual might have something. Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Jul 12 15:52:34 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If we make the assumption that both pipelines could be kept completely full, and since BogoMIPS is essentially a timing loop I hope the branch prediction could get that one right, wouldn't it be reasonable to have one completed instruction per pipe per clock cycle? If there's an electrical engineer among us please correct me. I just did a little looking into BogoMIPS and there are all kinds of things that can make it give errenous numbers. BUT it's as reliable as any other benchmark. And I'll use it to prove mine's faster than the Jones's down the street. ;-) On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, ryan hankins wrote: > > I don't _think_ intel publishes the number of cycles each instruction > takes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 16:00:04 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19571] [OT] How many mult/second? In-Reply-To: ; from fran0382@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:23:06PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000712160004.D20185@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Actually, there are two ways to measure a flop: - A mult _or_ an add - A mult _and_ an add I believe that the "old" way is the latter and the "new" way is the former, though I'd have to check my Numerical Analysis book to make sure. Intel's chips aren't really capable of many flops in comparison to some of the other beastly CPUs out there (e.g. DEC (compaq) Alpha - the king of flops, IBM's Power series cpus, SGI's R10k, etc) Gabe On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:23:06PM -0500, Luke Francl wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > > It's on the order of millions -- hence Mflops > > > > I wasn't sure that 1 flop == 1 multiplication/sec > > It isn't, necessarily. A flop is a floating point operation (anything with > decimals in it). I don't know if it includes addition/subtraction or just > mutliplication/division. > > Are you looking for pure integer performance? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jul 12 16:29:09 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19575] Web based password updating References: Message-ID: <396CE325.4DEA4BAC@maddog.mn-linux.org> Luke Francl wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > "Seth I. Bernsen" wrote: > > > > > > A while back I heard mention of a way to allow users to change their > > > password via a canned web interface? Does anybody remember the > > > details? Thanks. > > > > At Honeywell I created a simple perl CGI web form that did this. > > Be careful with security though. Use SSL, and make sure your script > doesn't let the user execute arbitrary commands on the machine! > > Did your script at Honeywell switch user to the person who was doing the > change, then run passwd, or did it edit the password file directly? I'm > just curious. > > Luke It was basically a front-end to /usr/local/bin/passwd. /usr/local/bin/passwd was a perl script that did a LOT more checking that the default passwd program does. (It is based on the passwd program in the Programming Perl 1st ed., page 286). This script allows you to specify other users as a command-line option. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Wed Jul 12 16:35:14 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19588] LIL on bootable cd attempt References: Message-ID: <396CE491.E6E2CE6E@bgea.org> Hey, I'm getting 'LIL' when trying to boot off a 'bootable' cd I just burned. Anyone see what I might have done wrong? *** The boot image comes from a 'tomsrtbt' bootable recovery diskette. xi:/# dd if=/dev/fd0 /of=/home/backups/boot.img bs=18k ***Here's the backup script: #!/bin/bash cd / tar -czvf /home/backups/backsys.tar.gz --exclude /proc /home/backups/backsys.tar.gz . cd /home/backups mkisofs -o backsys.iso \ -J -r -T \ -P 'System Backup' \ -V '071200' \ -b boot.img \ -c boot.catalog \ -log-file /root/mkisofs.log \ * cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,1,0 -data backsys.iso ***This completed without errors. Other than not booting, the cd contents appear fine. Thanks. -John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 12 23:21:03 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19589] Is CUPS the real deal? Message-ID: Hey everyone, I despise dealing with print servers. I hate lpd with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns. (Feel free to quote me :-) Oh how I long for the day that maintaining printers, print queues, and print clients happy won't give me headaches. I saw the note about IPP and CUPS on Slashdot and got to wondering if this stuff was any good. Has anyone used it? Any opinions? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 12 23:27:38 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19590] TrueType/Type1 editor Message-ID: <396D453A.F54A83B0@tc.umn.edu> In case anyone is interested in font creation, I thought I'd point out a font editor called GOTE. It's not the most intuitive thing in the world (had to actually read the documentation to figure out how to draw the glyphs.. oh well, that just took 2 minutes..) Of course, it's a little rough around the edges, but it appears to get the job done (I haven't done a lot of fiddling with it). Anyway, take a look if you're interested. http://gote.sourceforge.net/ Plus, there's a cached Google page from the original site: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rwb197/gote/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ An unbreakable toy is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ useful for breaking \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) other toys. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jul 13 08:17:41 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19589] Is CUPS the real deal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used cups, from what i've seen, it's kinda broken, beta, and has very little printer support. and printer support beond HP deskjet/laserjet is commercial binaries only. (right now) it's a case of a company "we'll write the print system, and make it free, but you'll have to shell out to actualy get your printer to work" I like LPRng the most out of all the print spoolers out there, and the debian guys have done a good job of porting redhat printtool and filters to debian.. and it works perfectly with LPRng AND lpr. redhat will be using lprng in the future Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I despise dealing with print servers. I hate lpd with the white-hot > intensity of a thousand suns. (Feel free to quote me :-) > > Oh how I long for the day that maintaining printers, print queues, and print > clients happy won't give me headaches. > > I saw the note about IPP and CUPS on Slashdot and got to wondering if this > stuff was any good. Has anyone used it? Any opinions? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jul 13 08:23:00 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19589] Is CUPS the real deal? In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 08:17:41AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000713082300.A29225@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [000713 08:18]: > to debian.. and it works perfectly with LPRng AND lpr. redhat > will be using lprng in the future Coulda swore theres a rpm allready. (/me looks at bentlema if hes watching) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However the 28 may go right by Benchmark's door; though it runs less frequently than the 6: leaves Hennepin Turns onto 76th (off of France?) 9:14 9:57 10:14 10:57 11:34 11:17 etc. etc. http://www.metrotransit.com At 11:37 AM 7/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >George Swan wrote: >> >> Edina's awfully spread out... how about pinning down the street adress so >> those that bus it can calculate the bus routes and times... >> >> gs >> > >The next installfest will be at Benchmark Computer Learning. >http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Thu Jul 13 09:48:24 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors Message-ID: <396DD6B8.C414B553@bgea.org> Debian gurus: Wonder if I've corrupted one of my Debian installations somehow. On an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or sometimes on an 'install' I get a lot of http 404 errors. (I'm on 'frozen' release.) If I browse to the site, I see that the package is there, but it has a different version number. I don't grok the apt system, but it seems that something is out of sync somehow. I've done all the apt-get stuff I can think of: update, upgrade, check, clean, and nothing seems to work. I have another machine on which this one is based on that all this works fine. A few days ago I accidently messed up my /var partition. I restored it from a backup, but some of the file/dir permissions were wierd, and there could possibly be files missing. This is the only thing I can think of that may be connected to the current problems. Any fix? I suppose I'll bite the bullet pretty soon here and just reinstall the system, since its possably corrupted. Here's an example of the apt-get problems (the --fix-missing tip at the bottem didn't help): xi:/usr/src# apt-get install smbfs Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: samba-common The following NEW packages will be installed: samba-common smbfs 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 33 not upgraded. Need to get 920kB of archives. After unpacking 4116kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Err http://http.us.debian.org frozen/main samba-common 2.0.7-2 404 Not Found Err http://http.us.debian.org frozen/main smbfs 2.0.7-2 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/net/samba-common_2.0.7-2.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/otherosfs/smbfs_2.0.7-2.deb 404 Not Found E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe try with --fix-missing? xi:/usr/src# --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 13 09:52:56 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors In-Reply-To: <396DD6B8.C414B553@bgea.org>; from John Hawley on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:48:24PM +0000 References: <396DD6B8.C414B553@bgea.org> Message-ID: <20000713095256.A19598@wookimus.net> On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:48:24PM +0000, John Hawley wrote: > Debian gurus: > > Wonder if I've corrupted one of my Debian installations somehow. > > On an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or sometimes on an 'install' I get a lot > of http 404 errors. (I'm on 'frozen' release.) If I browse to the Heh. Yeah. It's called 'apt-get update' to update your package lists with the new available versions. You can't download older versions of packages if the newer versions have been released. ;-) The only way to get legacy packages is to switch to an older distribution. apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -y -u Read apt-get and the various documents about Debian Policy, packaging, and user guides. There's lots of material out there for your to read to fully understand the system you're using, and I urge you to go on a learning binge. All of this information is out there, all you have to do is look for it and read it. -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, John Hawley wrote: > Debian gurus: > > Wonder if I've corrupted one of my Debian installations somehow. > > On an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or sometimes on an 'install' I get a lot > of http 404 errors. (I'm on 'frozen' release.) If I browse to the > site, I see that the package is there, but it has a different version > number. I don't grok the apt system, but it seems that something is out > of sync somehow. I've done all the apt-get stuff I can think of: > update, upgrade, check, clean, and nothing seems to work. > > I have another machine on which this one is based on that all this works > fine. A few days ago I accidently messed up my /var partition. I > restored it from a backup, but some of the file/dir permissions were > wierd, and there could possibly be files missing. This is the only > thing I can think of that may be connected to the current problems. > > Any fix? I suppose I'll bite the bullet pretty soon here and just > reinstall the system, since its possably corrupted. > > Here's an example of the apt-get problems (the --fix-missing tip at the > bottem didn't help): > > xi:/usr/src# apt-get install smbfs > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > samba-common > The following NEW packages will be installed: > samba-common smbfs > 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 33 not upgraded. > > Need to get 920kB of archives. After unpacking 4116kB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] > Err http://http.us.debian.org frozen/main samba-common 2.0.7-2 > 404 Not Found > Err http://http.us.debian.org frozen/main smbfs 2.0.7-2 > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/net/samba-common_2.0.7-2.deb > > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/otherosfs/smbfs_2.0.7-2.deb > > 404 Not Found > E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe try with --fix-missing? > xi:/usr/src# > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Thu Jul 13 10:22:44 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors References: <396DD6B8.C414B553@bgea.org> <20000713095256.A19598@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <396DDEC4.D156D540@bgea.org> ^chewie wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:48:24PM +0000, John Hawley wrote: > > Debian gurus: > > > > Wonder if I've corrupted one of my Debian installations somehow. > > > > On an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or sometimes on an 'install' I get a lot > > of http 404 errors. (I'm on 'frozen' release.) If I browse to the > > Heh. Yeah. It's called 'apt-get update' to update your package lists with the > new available versions. You can't download older versions of packages if the > newer versions have been released. ;-) The only way to get legacy packages is > to switch to an older distribution. As I mentioned in the original post that I did do an 'apt-get update'. Within the space of an hour (read your msg, Ben), I did the update and the install on two similiar machines and one worked and the other didn't. Oh, well, looks like I majorly fudged one system. > > > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade -y -u > > Read apt-get and the various documents about Debian Policy, packaging, and user > guides. There's lots of material out there for your to read to fully > understand the system you're using, and I urge you to go on a learning binge. > All of this information is out there, all you have to do is look for it and > read it. > Well, yes, it would be nice to have the time to read all the docs :(. I don't post willy-nilly to this list -- only after hours of fiddling, skimming manpages and docs, checking deja, etc. I hope I haven't put out too many RTFM questions! -jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Jul 13 11:12:07 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19572] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:82] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 12:13:42PM -0500 References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000713111207.B8300@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 12:13:42PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Ugh. That is the Saturday before Linux Expo. Anyone else going? Yeah, we got a booth there. I think I am supposed to go. Make sure you guys stop by the GFS booth and say high. We may have a cluster set up for a demo. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:03:02 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors Message-ID: Ah, the joy of package managers! Slacker, Kelly Black >From: John Hawley >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" >Subject: [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:48:24 +0000 > >Debian gurus: > >Wonder if I've corrupted one of my Debian installations somehow. > >On an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or sometimes on an 'install' I get a lot >of http 404 errors. (I'm on 'frozen' release.) If I browse to the >site, I see that the package is there, but it has a different version >number. I don't grok the apt system, but it seems that something is out >of sync somehow. I've done all the apt-get stuff I can think of: >update, upgrade, check, clean, and nothing seems to work. > >I have another machine on which this one is based on that all this works >fine. A few days ago I accidently messed up my /var partition. I >restored it from a backup, but some of the file/dir permissions were >wierd, and there could possibly be files missing. This is the only >thing I can think of that may be connected to the current problems. > >Any fix? I suppose I'll bite the bullet pretty soon here and just >reinstall the system, since its possably corrupted. > >Here's an example of the apt-get problems (the --fix-missing tip at the >bottem didn't help): > >xi:/usr/src# apt-get install smbfs >Reading Package Lists... Done >Building Dependency Tree... Done >The following extra packages will be installed: > samba-common >The following NEW packages will be installed: > samba-common smbfs >0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 33 not upgraded. > >Need to get 920kB of archives. After unpacking 4116kB will be used. >Do you want to continue? [Y/n] >Err http://http.us.debian.org frozen/main samba-common 2.0.7-2 > 404 Not Found >Err http://http.us.debian.org frozen/main smbfs 2.0.7-2 > 404 Not Found >Failed to fetch >http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/net/samba-common_2.0.7-2.deb > > 404 Not Found >Failed to fetch >http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/otherosfs/smbfs_2.0.7-2.deb > > 404 Not Found >E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe try with --fix-missing? >xi:/usr/src# > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Thu Jul 13 13:48:09 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19572] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:82] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <20000713111207.B8300@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:12:07AM -0500 References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> <20000713111207.B8300@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20000713134809.C31412@ravendusk.org> On Thursday, July 13, 2000, blutgens@sistina.com wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 12:13:42PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > >Ugh. That is the Saturday before Linux Expo. Anyone else going? > > Yeah, we got a booth there. I think I am supposed to go. Make sure you guys > stop by the GFS booth and say high. We may have a cluster set up for a demo. I may or may not go...not sure yet. Regardless, CodeWeavers will be there. Stop by and say hello! John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Thu Jul 13 14:08:05 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors In-Reply-To: <396DDEC4.D156D540@bgea.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, John Hawley wrote: > As I mentioned in the original post that I did do an 'apt-get update'. > Within the space of an hour (read your msg, Ben), I did the update and the > install on two similiar machines and one worked and the other didn't. Oh, > well, looks like I majorly fudged one system. This one probably isn't your fault. A few 404 errors from apt-get *does*not* mean that the system is corrupted. It simply means that the package that apt requested isn't on the mirror you're using. One thing I'm confused about: are you trying to upgrade from slink->frozen(potato) or from frozen->unstable, or are you just trying to upgrade to the newer versions of packages in frozen? The first would be a dist-upgrade, the second simply an upgrade. It's a subtle but sometimes important difference. Beyond that, here's a couple apt tips for you: 1) Always run 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' (in that order) in one batch. 2) Check to make sure you have the same distribution in every line of /etc/apt/sources.list. 3) Sometimes you catch a mirror in the middle of an update, which is the most common reason I get 404s. Try it again in about an hour if this happens (including the update step). 4) man apt-get <-- lots of useful information here. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 13 15:16:02 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19602] emacs saving sessions(?) Message-ID: <20000713151602.H24954@real-time.com> Back in the old days, I remember emacs allowed you to save a session, meaning all the files you currently have open in all your buffers would be automagically re-opened when you re-started emacs. I cannot seem to find this feature anymore. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jul 13 16:37:36 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19572] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:82] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <20000713111207.B8300@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:12:07AM -0500 References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> <20000713111207.B8300@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20000713163736.C29225@ringworld.org> * blutgens@sistina.com [000713 11:12]: > Yeah, we got a booth there. I think I am supposed to go. Make sure you guys > stop by the GFS booth and say high. We may have a cluster set up for a demo. Actually, theres a whole contignent of Minnesota #linuxos people coming (among other places too.. just that MN #linuxos users are one of the largest groups) Will be looking forward to seeing gfs there, since i only probally see you guys down here on first floor in passing ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We actually have an office now. In the UTEC building in dinkytown. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jul 13 23:13:13 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19572] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:82] Next TCLUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <20000713224624.A23130@localhost>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 10:46:24PM -0500 References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> <20000713111207.B8300@titanium.sistina.com> <20000713163736.C29225@ringworld.org> <20000713224624.A23130@localhost> Message-ID: <20000713231313.D29225@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [000713 22:46]: > I am assuming you mean at the college. We actually have an office now. In the > UTEC building in dinkytown. Neato. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J http://sluggy.com/d/971226.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I tried manually restarting the network by : /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart Since then my computer is hanging and during boot up I get the message Bringing up interface eth2 and ...blinking...blinking I would appreciate any useful suggestion. Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 14 08:42:53 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19606] Restarting Linux References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> <396EFBE1.E87546C5@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <396F18DD.69B4BDBB@tc.umn.edu> Apu wrote: > > As a try to install my ethernet card , I opened up etc/conf.modules and added > the line: > > alias eth2 eepro. > > Then I tried manually restarting the network by : > /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart > > Since then my computer is hanging and during boot up I get the message > Bringing up interface eth2 and ...blinking...blinking > I would appreciate any useful suggestion. Are both eth0 and eth1 coming up before eth2? Unless things have changed recently, the first ethernet module inserted is always eth0, the second is always eth1 (unless the first module has been removed, of course), etc. Therefore, if the driver inserted successfully and came up as eth0, the boot scripts would never know (they should probably be rewritten to handle configuration based on hardware address, rather than being eth[012...] Also, does that card get configured via DHCP or BOOTP? Maybe you just have to wait for it to time-out (though I suppose you've waited.) At any rate, if you're having trouble getting in to fix the problem, try booting at the LILO prompt with `linux single' or `linux init=/bin/sh' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ As I said before, I never / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ repeat myself. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fholson at cohousing.org Fri Jul 14 08:59:09 2000 From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H. Olson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19608] Linux based turnkey email system Message-ID: On one of the mailing lists that I manage which has lots of non techy subscribers there is currently a discussion of ways to get more universal use of email by group members. (Many of the subscribers are members of various local groups of people that work closely together.) There has been discussion of Webtv (an endorsement from a user), talk of "email appliances" (various dedicated devices for email only), encouraging people to use the same software even the same hardware, forming tech support subgtoups etc etc. (There has been aversion to Microsoft expressed.) I got to thinking that a Linux based turnkey email system that would run on most any hardware (486's or better?) would be an ideal thing to suggest. Has anyone ever set up such a thing? To be worth doing it would have to be fairly polished, otherwise various gotcha's, awkward aspects etc would defeat the intent to be a turnkey systems for novices. Of course there are likely to be some ISP dependent parts but maybe they could be minimized. To elaborate a bit more on my idea... There are "restricted" shells; I guess what I have in mind would limit options severely to reduce problems but I'd be inclined to have ways that people who knew / learned enough could remove the restrictions incrementally if they were so inclined but done in such a way that they would be very unlikely to do so unintentionally. Has a project to develop something like the in the Open Source movement been attempted? If not, any thoughts on what software would be suitable? Thoughts on tradeoffs of doing something with Netscape versus a non Xwindows mailer only (or with Lynx) etc etc? Fred who is still a Linux novice but learning some and is discussing with a fellow novice collaborating with a small group of other novices by email to support each other in the learning process. Inquiries welcome. -- Fred H. Olson fholson@cohousing.org Minneapolis,MN 55411 (612)588-9532 Amateur radio: WB0YQM List manager of: Cohousing-L and Nbhd-tc (Twin Cities Neighborhood issues list) More info: http://www.mtn.org/~fholson/sig-detail.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Fri Jul 14 10:10:19 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19608] Linux based turnkey email system References: <1523516243@udlp.com> Message-ID: <396F2D5B.B165A616@udlp.com> Yes, there is a project devoted to these ends, but at the moment the name escapes me. If it's not posted before I rememeber, I'll post it. Personally, I've setup Linux servers for a few small businesses but, I will admit, they can do only limited maintenance. They depend on me for the rest. My previous employer used a product from "Apex" called "Team Internet" which was a prepackaged Linux server with a Web front end for setup and maintenance. At the time they bought it, about 2 years ago, it sold for $2,200, a far cry from the $80 I charged one of my last small businesses for the i486 Linux server I sold them. Seth "Fred H. Olson" wrote: > > On one of the mailing lists that I manage which has lots of > non techy subscribers there is currently a discussion of ways to get > more universal use of email by group members. (Many of the subscribers > are members of various local groups of people that work closely together.) > There has been discussion of Webtv (an endorsement from a user), > talk of "email appliances" (various dedicated devices for email only), > encouraging people to use the same software even the same hardware, > forming tech support subgtoups etc etc. (There has been aversion to > Microsoft expressed.) > > I got to thinking that a Linux based turnkey email system that would run > on most any hardware (486's or better?) would be an ideal thing to > suggest. Has anyone ever set up such a thing? To be worth doing it would > have to be fairly polished, otherwise various gotcha's, awkward aspects > etc would defeat the intent to be a turnkey systems for novices. Of course > there are likely to be some ISP dependent parts but maybe they could be > minimized. > > To elaborate a bit more on my idea... There are "restricted" shells; I > guess what I have in mind would limit options severely to reduce problems > but I'd be inclined to have ways that people who knew / learned enough > could remove the restrictions incrementally if they were so inclined but > done in such a way that they would be very unlikely to do so > unintentionally. > > Has a project to develop something like the in the Open Source movement > been attempted? If not, any thoughts on what software would be suitable? > Thoughts on tradeoffs of doing something with Netscape versus a non > Xwindows mailer only (or with Lynx) etc etc? > > Fred who is still a Linux novice but learning some and is discussing > with a fellow novice collaborating with a small group of other novices by > email to support each other in the learning process. Inquiries welcome. -- Seth Bernsen Software Engineer United Defense Phone: 612-572-4993 Fax: 612-572-4858 http://www.udlp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Fri Jul 14 10:16:39 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19610] Ethernet PCMCIA In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000713082331.00a4c420@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: What do you guys think of these? Are they as fast as PCI cards? Do they run well under Linux? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 14 10:22:40 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19610] Ethernet PCMCIA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > What do you guys think of these? Are they as fast as PCI cards? Do they > run well under Linux? I can't speak for anyone else, but a 10baseT card is as fast as any other 10baseT card. If you want 100baseT, you can get it (more $$). The only thing I would suggest as a problem is mechanical -- an ethernet cable dangling off the little doodad on the card tends to eventually stress and bend or break cables, if you don't just sit nicely at a table. Even with strain relief consisting of a couple of twisties supporting the cable tied through one of the monitor supports of my laptops, I will end up replacing the "in between" adaptor. The other problem is that it feels like your machine has some sort of colostomy bag, but that goes away by the time you get into your work... ;) Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 14 15:40:04 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19606] Restarting Linux References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> <396EFBE1.E87546C5@tc.umn.edu> <396F18DD.69B4BDBB@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <396F7AA4.81F4A635@tc.umn.edu> Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Are both eth0 and eth1 coming up before eth2? Unless things have > changed recently, the first ethernet module inserted is always eth0, the > second is always eth1 (unless the first module has been removed, of > course), etc. Nope, it goes like bringing up interface lo and then bringing up interface eth2.. How do I know which one is my ethernet port (eth0,1 or 2?) The first ones (eth 0 and 1) were not seen although they were never deleted.. > Therefore, if the driver inserted successfully and came > up as eth0, the boot scripts would never know (they should probably be > rewritten to handle configuration based on hardware address, rather than > being eth[012...] > > Also, does that card get configured via DHCP or BOOTP? Maybe you just > have to wait for it to time-out (though I suppose you've waited.) > The card get configured by dhcp. > > At any rate, if you're having trouble getting in to fix the problem, try > booting at the LILO prompt with `linux single' or `linux init=/bin/sh' Did that but what after loadin sh ? > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ As I said before, I never > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ repeat myself. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From psp at printwareinc.com Fri Jul 14 15:24:07 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? Message-ID: <20000714202407481.AAA343@sumo> I ran across a curiosity in a perl program today, which can be explained like so: @ITEMS = (0, 1, 2); print @#ITEMS; # prints "2"; So if you wedge a '#' into an array name, it means "the length of the array, less 1" (Oh, of course!). The guy was using it as a loop limit. I couldn't find anything on this in any of the perl books I own... is this a documented feature of the language, or just a fetid schbat of boogage? To me, it looks suspiciously like a fetid schbat of boogage. Phil Plumbo. Or, perhaps, a turgid wad of hell-snot. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 14 17:33:46 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19606] Restarting Linux References: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000712121342.Q28879@real-time.com> <396EFBE1.E87546C5@tc.umn.edu> <396F18DD.69B4BDBB@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <396F9549.1523FCD5@tc.umn.edu> Thanks mike. I can restrt now. I was able to run sh and edit the .modules file and now I am back in business. apu Mike Hicks wrote: > Apu wrote: > > > > As a try to install my ethernet card , I opened up etc/conf.modules and added > > the line: > > > > alias eth2 eepro. > > > > Then I tried manually restarting the network by : > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart > > > > Since then my computer is hanging and during boot up I get the message > > Bringing up interface eth2 and ...blinking...blinking > > I would appreciate any useful suggestion. > > Are both eth0 and eth1 coming up before eth2? Unless things have > changed recently, the first ethernet module inserted is always eth0, the > second is always eth1 (unless the first module has been removed, of > course), etc. Therefore, if the driver inserted successfully and came > up as eth0, the boot scripts would never know (they should probably be > rewritten to handle configuration based on hardware address, rather than > being eth[012...] > > Also, does that card get configured via DHCP or BOOTP? Maybe you just > have to wait for it to time-out (though I suppose you've waited.) > > At any rate, if you're having trouble getting in to fix the problem, try > booting at the LILO prompt with `linux single' or `linux init=/bin/sh' > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ As I said before, I never > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ repeat myself. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Fri Jul 14 15:46:05 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? References: <20000714202407481.AAA343@sumo> Message-ID: <396F7C0D.847E79B4@maddog.mn-linux.org> Phil Plumbo wrote: > > I ran across a curiosity in a perl program today, which can be explained > like so: > > @ITEMS = (0, 1, 2); > print @#ITEMS; # prints "2"; > > So if you wedge a '#' into an array name, it means "the length of the array, > less 1" (Oh, of course!). The guy was using it as a loop limit. > > I couldn't find anything on this in any of the perl books I own... is this a > documented feature of the language, or just a fetid schbat of boogage? > > To me, it looks suspiciously like a fetid schbat of boogage. It is actually documented in the Programming Perl 1st ed on page 68. You can also change the length of an array by assigning a value to $@whatever. Shortening the length does not actually destroy any data. You can lengthen it again to get the data back. Pretty cool stuff. -- Collective Technologies | Clay Fandre, cfandre@colltech.com A Pencom Company | Cell : (612) 719-4179 http://www.colltech.com | Pager: 6127194179@airtouch.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From patrickm at eltecinc.com Fri Jul 14 15:45:44 2000 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? References: <20000714202407481.AAA343@sumo> Message-ID: <023b01bfedd4$7b19c7c0$5cc8a8c0@patrickland> I get a syntax error using @#ITEMS. However, $#ITEMS does equal 2 (in your example). $#array is the index of the last element in the array. It is documented, I have seen it many times, I just can't seem to find it right now. I think it was more useful in the past when you could set the starting index of arrays to something other than zero. I think you still can, but its discouraged. I promptly forgot how to do that because it seems like such a bad idea. Patrick McCabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Plumbo To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? > I ran across a curiosity in a perl program today, which can be explained > like so: > > @ITEMS = (0, 1, 2); > print @#ITEMS; # prints "2"; > > > So if you wedge a '#' into an array name, it means "the length of the array, > less 1" (Oh, of course!). The guy was using it as a loop limit. > > I couldn't find anything on this in any of the perl books I own... is this a > documented feature of the language, or just a fetid schbat of boogage? > > To me, it looks suspiciously like a fetid schbat of boogage. > > Phil Plumbo. > > Or, perhaps, a turgid wad of hell-snot. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Fri Jul 14 16:08:00 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? In-Reply-To: <20000714202407481.AAA343@sumo> Message-ID: <000f01bfedd7$97a5f2d0$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > > I ran across a curiosity in a perl program today, which can be explained > like so: > > @ITEMS = (0, 1, 2); > print @#ITEMS; # prints "2"; > > > So if you wedge a '#' into an array name, it means "the length of the array, > less 1" (Oh, of course!). The guy was using it as a loop limit. > > I couldn't find anything on this in any of the perl books I own... is this a > documented feature of the language, or just a fetid schbat of boogage? It's documented, all right... That is, if you mean "$#ITEMS", not "@#ITEMS". It's the index of the last item in the array @ITEMS. It's in Programming Perl, the Pocket Reference, and the manpages: Scalar values are always named with '$', even when referring to a scalar that is part of an array. It works like the English word "the". Thus we have: $days # the simple scalar value "days" $days[28] # the 29th element of array @days $days{'Feb'} # the 'Feb' value from hash %days $#days # the last index of array @days I've never actually figured out how it's useful though -- loops are better written with "for (@ITEMS)" or "foreach $item (@ITEMS)", the last item itself is more easily accessed as "$ITEMS[-1]", and of course there's the ever-handy "scalar(@ITEMS)" I suppose if for some reason you were using an array in a hashlike way it would be useful -- suppose every day it rained you did "$rainy[$today_date]++", then $#rainy would be the most recent date on which rain had fallen... But that's a bit of a reach. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 14 16:11:17 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? References: <20000714202407481.AAA343@sumo> <023b01bfedd4$7b19c7c0$5cc8a8c0@patrickland> Message-ID: <396F81F5.212CE49F@tc.umn.edu> This is discussed on page 95 of 'Perl Cookbook' as a way to grow or truncate arrays. It may be useful if you know how big an array will grow, but are adding values piecemeal (and so perl is spending time allocating a little chunks of memory many times instead of one big chunk once). Here are the results I have from a one liner: ----- % perl -e '@a=(0,1,2,3,4);print"@a $#a\n";$#a=2;print"@a $#a\n";$#a=12;print"@a $#a\n";' 0 1 2 3 4 4 0 1 2 2 0 1 2 12 % ----- So it looks like I can't get the values back (5.002 on Solaris). Troy Patrick McCabe wrote: > > I get a syntax error using @#ITEMS. However, $#ITEMS does equal 2 (in your > example). > > $#array is the index of the last element in the array. It is documented, I > have seen it many times, I just can't seem to find it right now. I think it > was more useful in the past when you could set the starting index of arrays > to something other than zero. I think you still can, but its discouraged. > I promptly forgot how to do that because it seems like such a bad idea. > > Patrick McCabe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Plumbo > To: > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 3:24 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:19613] [OT] perl boogage? > > > I ran across a curiosity in a perl program today, which can be explained > > like so: > > > > @ITEMS = (0, 1, 2); > > print @#ITEMS; # prints "2"; > > > > > > So if you wedge a '#' into an array name, it means "the length of the > array, > > less 1" (Oh, of course!). The guy was using it as a loop limit. > > > > I couldn't find anything on this in any of the perl books I own... is this > a > > documented feature of the language, or just a fetid schbat of boogage? > > > > To me, it looks suspiciously like a fetid schbat of boogage. > > > > Phil Plumbo. > > > > Or, perhaps, a turgid wad of hell-snot. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents. -- George Orwell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hutera at mediaone.net Fri Jul 14 21:24:42 2000 From: hutera at mediaone.net (Steven Hutera) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19619] crontab question Message-ID: <396FCB6A.5C935CDE@mediaone.net> I'm having a problem with my crontab file. I keep getting e-mails every five mins when atrun executes. It keeps sending me a e-mail with a subject line: /usr/libexec/atrun. with a message: root: not found. this has been going on for a few weeks now. Everything is working fine in the crontab accept for those messages I keep receiving. If anyone could help me out I woild appreciate it. Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Fri Jul 14 21:56:13 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19610] Ethernet PCMCIA In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 10:22:40AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000714215613.A3138@localhost> On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 10:22:40AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: >On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > >The only thing I would suggest as a problem is mechanical -- an ethernet >cable dangling off the little doodad on the card tends to eventually >stress and bend or break cables, if you don't just sit nicely at a table. > Yeah, 3Com makes one called an X-Jack where the RJ-45 plugs straight into the card. Very nice, there are many more types like this, but the X-Jack is the only one I remember, yet another example of good marketing, like the O'Reilly books (Thanks scott fritchie, I borowed that...;-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Jul 15 17:25:03 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19621] Fre(e)BSD, KDE, and SB PCI 128 Message-ID: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey all, I've posted this before. I am having trouble getting my sound to work on FreeBSD 3.4 with KDE. I have got the right stuff compiled in my kernel (I think). Before, I couldn't put a CD into the CDROM and press the play button on the front and have it work. Now, after I've added some lines to my kernel config, it does. However, when I try to run any sound application, I get device not configured, or permission denied (do a chmod a+rw /dev/ I know this isn't the problem, because when I look at the perms for that device, they're crw-rw-rw (or 666). Help, please. -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jul 15 17:59:41 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19622] MAPS RBL going to court Message-ID: <20000715175941.D26446@real-time.com> Great article on slashdot about the MAPS RBL being sued. As an ISP that tried to maintain our own internal spammer database, the RBL was a gift from the net-gods. As soon as I found out about it I subscribed Real Time to the database. Since that time I have only got about 5 spam messages over the last 2 months. This is a huge decrease in the number of spam messages I use to get. The largest aspect of the RBL has been that we block approximately 100,000 spam messages a month now. Spam is so bad that we block more spam now then we deliver legit messages. I hope MAPS wins this cause, I hate to have to go back to maintaining my own database. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Jul 15 18:14:20 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19621] Fre(e)BSD, KDE, and SB PCI 128 In-Reply-To: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:25:03PM -0500 References: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20000715181419.A27110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> What are the lines in your kernel config? I'm not sure if FreeBSD 3.4 uses the psm device (it might be new with 4.0, IIRC), but psm is definitely the way to go. Besides, 4.0 adds many other nifty features like an extremely fast VM and some new memory stuff... It's _fast_. Gabe On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:25:03PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > Hey all, > > I've posted this before. I am having trouble getting my sound to work on > FreeBSD 3.4 with KDE. I have got the right stuff compiled in my kernel (I > think). > > Before, I couldn't put a CD into the CDROM and press the play button on the > front and have it work. Now, after I've added some lines to my kernel config, > it does. However, when I try to run any sound application, I get device not > configured, or permission denied (do a chmod a+rw /dev/ > I know this isn't the problem, because when I look at the perms for that > device, they're crw-rw-rw (or 666). Help, please. > > > > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Da..Deep in Logwood Forest, there once lived a man who wore the finest green leotards. But we'll forgive him because he was the finest archer in all the land." - Stimpson J. Cat in "Robin Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Jul 15 18:31:04 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19621] Fre(e)BSD, KDE, and SB PCI 128 In-Reply-To: <20000715181419.A27110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20000715181419.A27110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00071518315300.11699@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Here is my kernel config (attached) If you'd rather have me paste the entire thing. Let me know. On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, you wrote: > What are the lines in your kernel config? I'm not sure if FreeBSD 3.4 uses the psm device (it might be new with 4.0, IIRC), but psm is definitely the way to > go. Besides, 4.0 adds many other nifty features like an extremely fast VM and > some new memory stuff... It's _fast_. > > Gabe > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:25:03PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I've posted this before. I am having trouble getting my sound to work on > > FreeBSD 3.4 with KDE. I have got the right stuff compiled in my kernel (I > > think). > > > > Before, I couldn't put a CD into the CDROM and press the play button on the > > front and have it work. Now, after I've added some lines to my kernel config, > > it does. However, when I try to run any sound application, I get device not > > configured, or permission denied (do a chmod a+rw /dev/ > > I know this isn't the problem, because when I look at the perms for that > > device, they're crw-rw-rw (or 666). Help, please. > > > > > > > > -- > > Eric F Crist > > System Administrator > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Da..Deep in Logwood Forest, there once lived a man who wore the finest > green leotards. But we'll forgive him because he was the finest archer > in all the land." > - Stimpson J. Cat in "Robin Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't see any sound stuff in there... What is your sound device? Did you look in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT for lines pertaining to PCI sound cards? Gabe On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 06:31:04PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > Here is my kernel config (attached) > > If you'd rather have me paste the entire thing. Let me know. > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > What are the lines in your kernel config? I'm not sure if FreeBSD 3.4 uses the psm device (it might be new with 4.0, IIRC), but psm is definitely the way to > > go. Besides, 4.0 adds many other nifty features like an extremely fast VM and > > some new memory stuff... It's _fast_. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:25:03PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > > > I've posted this before. I am having trouble getting my sound to work on > > > FreeBSD 3.4 with KDE. I have got the right stuff compiled in my kernel (I > > > think). > > > > > > Before, I couldn't put a CD into the CDROM and press the play button on the > > > front and have it work. Now, after I've added some lines to my kernel config, > > > it does. However, when I try to run any sound application, I get device not > > > configured, or permission denied (do a chmod a+rw /dev/ > > > I know this isn't the problem, because when I look at the perms for that > > > device, they're crw-rw-rw (or 666). Help, please. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eric F Crist > > > System Administrator > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Da..Deep in Logwood Forest, there once lived a man who wore the finest > > green leotards. But we'll forgive him because he was the finest archer > > in all the land." > > - Stimpson J. Cat in "Robin Hoek" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Jul 15 18:46:47 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19621] Fre(e)BSD, KDE, and SB PCI 128 In-Reply-To: <00071518315300.11699@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 06:31:04PM -0500 References: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20000715181419.A27110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00071518315300.11699@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20000715184647.B27297@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On one of the FreeBSD 4.0 machines I admin, I'd need to add this to get a PCI sound card working: # For PnP/PCI sound cards device pcm I just yanked this out of LINT. In 3.4, if there is no pcm device, PCI sound cards may not be supported. The above line got my SBLive! working just fine. Gabe On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 06:31:04PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > Here is my kernel config (attached) > > If you'd rather have me paste the entire thing. Let me know. > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > What are the lines in your kernel config? I'm not sure if FreeBSD 3.4 uses the psm device (it might be new with 4.0, IIRC), but psm is definitely the way to > > go. Besides, 4.0 adds many other nifty features like an extremely fast VM and > > some new memory stuff... It's _fast_. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:25:03PM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > > > I've posted this before. I am having trouble getting my sound to work on > > > FreeBSD 3.4 with KDE. I have got the right stuff compiled in my kernel (I > > > think). > > > > > > Before, I couldn't put a CD into the CDROM and press the play button on the > > > front and have it work. Now, after I've added some lines to my kernel config, > > > it does. However, when I try to run any sound application, I get device not > > > configured, or permission denied (do a chmod a+rw /dev/ > > > I know this isn't the problem, because when I look at the perms for that > > > device, they're crw-rw-rw (or 666). Help, please. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eric F Crist > > > System Administrator > > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Da..Deep in Logwood Forest, there once lived a man who wore the finest > > green leotards. But we'll forgive him because he was the finest archer > > in all the land." > > - Stimpson J. Cat in "Robin Hoek" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Blood is life and it shall be all ours!" -Dimmu Borgir "The Night Masquerade" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sat Jul 15 21:45:29 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19622] MAPS RBL going to court In-Reply-To: <20000715175941.D26446@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:59:41PM -0500 References: <20000715175941.D26446@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000715214529.B4786@localhost> On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:59:41PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >I hope MAPS wins this cause, I hate to have to go back to maintaining my own >database. > Yeah, it sure is a great service they provide to admins and users alike. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Jul 15 23:34:47 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19622] MAPS RBL going to court In-Reply-To: <20000715214529.B4786@localhost> Message-ID: Hey all, I'd like to debunk some rumors: No, I did not fall off the face of the earth. No, I did not denounce linux in favor of BSD/OS Yes, I did make a small career change. Long story, don't ask. ...and... Thanks Nate for reminding me to re-subscribe :) Funny thing about MAPS and Paul Vixie...apparently spammers are taking the Microsoft approach and spreading FUD about him. Read combat.cybercreek.com sometime, it's worth the laugh. They claim Vixie is trying to monopolize the bulk-mail industry for himself, that he is going to bring the downfall of the internet, and that he is Satan. All this hatred towards the man who makes it so we can type in a nice easy to remember URL like combat.cybercreek.com instead of a series of meaningless numbers. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 16 06:08:05 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19629] Login problem References: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20000715181419.A27110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00071518315300.11699@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <39719795.8F6792B5@tc.umn.edu> I recently installed free BSD and after initial boot up when I type xdm, it launches x-windows and asks for username and password. After I put username and password it comes back to the same screen. I am assuming the display is not set properly. Any suggestion? Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Jul 16 04:06:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19629] Login problem In-Reply-To: <39719795.8F6792B5@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 04:08:05AM -0700 References: <00071517284000.11615@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20000715181419.A27110@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00071518315300.11699@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <39719795.8F6792B5@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000716040641.C27915@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You most likely don't have a .xinitrc file setup. You need to create a .xinitrc that starts up your window manager and such... Gabe On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 04:08:05AM -0700, Apu wrote: > > I recently installed free BSD and after initial boot up when I type xdm, it launches x-windows and asks for username and password. After I put username and > password it comes back to the same screen. I am assuming the display is not set properly. Any suggestion? > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My opera records! All goobered bubble gum!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jbevren at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 07:04:10 2000 From: jbevren at yahoo.com (David Wood) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19629] Login problem In-Reply-To: <20000716040641.C27915@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > You most likely don't have a .xinitrc file setup. You need to create a .xinitrc that starts up your window manager and such... > > Gabe Apu, To make your setup file, type your user name, then your password. Instead of pressing enter after your password, press F1. That will give you a single xterm, via whihc you can make an .xsession file. This file contains the commands to start your session (usually just the name of your window manager of choice), and should be marked executable (chmod 700 .xsession). Exit the xterm, which will return you to the login prompt, and log in normally. Gabe, .xinitrc is for startx. He's using xdm, which uses .xsession ;) -David > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 04:08:05AM -0700, Apu wrote: > > > > I recently installed free BSD and after initial boot up when I type xdm, it launches x-windows and asks for username and password. After I put username and > > password it comes back to the same screen. I am assuming the display is not set properly. Any suggestion? > > > > Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Sun Jul 16 13:16:17 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19622] MAPS RBL going to court In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > No, I did not fall off the face of the earth. > No, I did not denounce linux in favor of BSD/OS > Yes, I did make a small career change. > Long story, don't ask. > ...and... > Thanks Nate for reminding me to re-subscribe :) *whistles innocently* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Jul 16 13:48:16 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19622] MAPS RBL going to court In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok.. these cybercreek people are insane.. sue Vixie, promote software.com (i've used their MTA, not all that exciting) wait a sec.. software.com ported what.. BIND to nt? wait a sec... vixie's name is in that code.. that's funny. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > No, I did not fall off the face of the earth. > > No, I did not denounce linux in favor of BSD/OS > > Yes, I did make a small career change. > > Long story, don't ask. > > ...and... > > Thanks Nate for reminding me to re-subscribe :) > > *whistles innocently* > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayne at puklich.com Sun Jul 16 19:24:20 2000 From: blayne at puklich.com (Blayne Puklich) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19602] emacs saving sessions(?) In-Reply-To: tanner's message of Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:16:02 -0500. <20000713151602.H24954@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200007170024.TAA10573@taz.int.puklich.com> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:16:02 CDT Bob Tanner wrote: > Back in the old days, I remember emacs allowed you to save a session, meaning > all the files you currently have open in all your buffers would be > automagically re-opened when you re-started emacs. > > I cannot seem to find this feature anymore. I didn't see any responses so let me try to answer. The desktop library is probably what you're looking for. You'll want to add this to the end of your ~/.emacs file: (desktop-load-default) (desktop-read) Launch emacs, run "M-x info," load the Emacs info document ("m emacs") and search for "saving sessions" ("s saving sessions") to learn more about how to use desktop. It's important to understand how to run this the first time and how it works. Hope this helps. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Sun Jul 16 21:24:04 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy Message-ID: <009a01bfef96$14842280$c182e13f@gateway> I have a friend that has an Indy at work and he wants to connect his parallel port zip drive to it. The only problem is he does not know how to do it well and neither do I. I'm sure that at least one person here has done it so please help out if you can. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sun Jul 16 22:47:47 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19636] DNS packets? Message-ID: I've got a caching nameserver setup, does anyone know why I should be receiving packets from outside nameservers? Specifically those for @home? -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Jul 16 22:55:07 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy In-Reply-To: <009a01bfef96$14842280$c182e13f@gateway> Message-ID: are you running irix, then what version, or linux, what distrabution? I don't think it is possible with irix. You should probably go with scsi anyways. Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rsinland at gvtel.com Sun Jul 16 23:16:07 2000 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19638] Off Topic [Indy] References: Message-ID: <39728887.1C620D05@gvtel.com> I recall from awhile back that there was a seperate list set up for the Indy crowd here. Did a bit of searching at the tclug site and came up empty. Can anyone point me to the Indy list? Thanks RS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Mon Jul 17 07:34:11 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19594] apt-get errors References: Message-ID: <3972FD43.975BCFA9@bgea.org> Thanks to everyone who responded to this one. I've reinstalled the os and its all working right now. I'm 95% certain the problem was something in the /var tree. Either I lost some files or directory perms got mixed up. I had other problems with programs that used the /var/cache/... directory. I was going to do a chmod -R 777 on /var before I rebuilt out of curiosity, but I went and forgot. -jh "Kevin R. Bullock" wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, John Hawley wrote: > > > As I mentioned in the original post that I did do an 'apt-get update'. > > Within the space of an hour (read your msg, Ben), I did the update and the > > install on two similiar machines and one worked and the other didn't. Oh, > > well, looks like I majorly fudged one system. > > This one probably isn't your fault. A few 404 errors from apt-get *does*not* > mean that the system is corrupted. It simply means that the package that apt > requested isn't on the mirror you're using. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 17 08:40:59 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19640] RE: ADCS class called "Linux Security Issues" In-Reply-To: <200007170024.TAA10573@taz.int.puklich.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000717084059.00a669f0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> It's questionable what you can teach in 2.5 hours. ...Nevertheless, since I didn't have to pay for it...and it might be a good quick survey review... and maybe more, I signed up for: (ADCS on U of MN campus minicourse) "Linux Security Issues" on Thurs. 1:30-4:00 $10.00 students $20.00 Staff and Faculty $40.00 Alumni and Others Why am *I* mentioning this? Because registration is at the magic number of "eight", if anyone registered decides to cancel, ....they'll cancel the whole thing. So just in case anyone's interested in attending.... gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Jul 17 09:01:33 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19640] RE: ADCS class called "Linux Security Issues" In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000717084059.00a669f0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: Where's this gonna be happening? Andy On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, George Swan wrote: > It's questionable what you can teach in 2.5 hours. > ...Nevertheless, > since I didn't have to pay for it...and it might be a good > quick survey review... and maybe more, I signed up for: > > (ADCS on U of MN campus minicourse) > "Linux Security Issues" on Thurs. 1:30-4:00 > $10.00 students > $20.00 Staff and Faculty > $40.00 Alumni and Others > > Why am *I* mentioning this? > Because registration is at the magic number of "eight", > if anyone registered decides to cancel, > ....they'll cancel the whole thing. > > So just in case anyone's interested in attending.... > > gs > ****************************************** > George Swan > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 17 09:15:15 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19640] RE: ADCS class called "Linux Security Issues" References: <3.0.5.32.20000717084059.00a669f0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <397314F3.6B0E358B@tc.umn.edu> A link, a link, my, uh...an altoid for a link! George Swan wrote: > > It's questionable what you can teach in 2.5 hours. > ...Nevertheless, > since I didn't have to pay for it...and it might be a good > quick survey review... and maybe more, I signed up for: > > (ADCS on U of MN campus minicourse) > "Linux Security Issues" on Thurs. 1:30-4:00 > $10.00 students > $20.00 Staff and Faculty > $40.00 Alumni and Others > > Why am *I* mentioning this? > Because registration is at the magic number of "eight", > if anyone registered decides to cancel, > ....they'll cancel the whole thing. > > So just in case anyone's interested in attending.... > > gs > ****************************************** > George Swan > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. -- Noah Webster --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Jul 17 09:27:27 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19643] Stupid GNOME User Question Message-ID: <397317CF.60F87F65@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all, I upgraded my RH6.2 installation with GNOME 1.2. After the installation, I have discovered that GNOME did not honor the shortcuts that existed before the upgrade. I can reproduce most of them, however, I cannot seem to be able to create my DialUp shortcut correctly? Does anybody know what script the DialUp shortcut pointed to in pre-GNOME 1.2? I spent some time last night hunting around trying different things but had no joy. -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Solutions dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 17 09:30:33 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19640] RE: ADCS class called "Linux Security Issues" In-Reply-To: <397314F3.6B0E358B@tc.umn.edu>; from john1536@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 09:15:15AM -0500 References: <3.0.5.32.20000717084059.00a669f0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> <397314F3.6B0E358B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000717093033.D6606@ringworld.org> Hell. Ill show up just to be devils advocate. :) * Troy A. Johnson [000717 09:15]: > A link, a link, my, uh...an altoid for a link! > > George Swan wrote: > > > > It's questionable what you can teach in 2.5 hours. > > ...Nevertheless, > > since I didn't have to pay for it...and it might be a good > > quick survey review... and maybe more, I signed up for: > > > > (ADCS on U of MN campus minicourse) > > "Linux Security Issues" on Thurs. 1:30-4:00 > > $10.00 students > > $20.00 Staff and Faculty > > $40.00 Alumni and Others > > > > Why am *I* mentioning this? > > Because registration is at the magic number of "eight", > > if anyone registered decides to cancel, > > ....they'll cancel the whole thing. > > > > So just in case anyone's interested in attending.... > > > > gs > > ****************************************** > > George Swan > > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they > are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America > cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the people are armed, > and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. > -- Noah Webster > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I spent some time last night hunting around trying different >things but had no joy. > You could wirte a shell script and exec that from an icon. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 17 13:23:34 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19643] Stupid GNOME User Question In-Reply-To: <20000717094526.A14081@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: could you be looking for /usr/bin/pppon or /usr/bin/pon? Not sure what RedHat uses, since the distro smokes quite a bit of crack, (insert shameless Debian plug from the Debian Deciples here), but that would be my buest guess. You could try the modem lights applet and see what command it runs be default. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 17 12:17:03 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19640] RE: ADCS class called "Linux Security Issues" In-Reply-To: <20000717093159.E6606@ringworld.org> References: <3.0.5.32.20000717084059.00a669f0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> <200007170024.TAA10573@taz.int.puklich.com> <3.0.5.32.20000717084059.00a669f0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000717121703.00929ca0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Thanks, Scott! At 09:31 AM 7/17/00 -0500, you wrote: >http://muck.micro.umn.edu/ShortCourses/ClassDetail.cfm?ClassID=426 > ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at sistina.com Mon Jul 17 10:35:34 2000 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19643] Stupid GNOME User Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200007171738.MAA11493@homer.sistina.com> > could you be looking for /usr/bin/pppon or /usr/bin/pon? > > Not sure what RedHat uses, since the distro smokes quite a bit of crack, HAHAHHAAHA > (insert shameless Debian plug from the Debian Deciples here), but that > would be my buest guess. > > You could try the modem lights applet and see what command it runs be > default. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Mon Jul 17 13:11:06 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy References: Message-ID: <001401bff01a$614e4a80$538be23f@gateway> It's running Irix and I'm not sure what version and once again for those who have not been paying attention it is a parallel port zip drive. Which means that its not a scsi zip drive so unless some one can be generous enough to donate one, any slick suggestions are only an annoyance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Kilbane To: TCLUG Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy > are you running irix, then what version, or linux, what distrabution? I > don't think it is possible with irix. You should probably go with scsi > anyways. > > Colin Kilbane > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Jul 17 13:03:30 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy Message-ID: <0FXU0067XTEV5P@mail1.supervalu.com> I have an external SCSI Zip for about $50, if you're interested. Nick drew@usfamily.net, on 07/17/2000 01:11:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy It's running Irix and I'm not sure what version and once again for those who have not been paying attention it is a parallel port zip drive. Which means that its not a scsi zip drive so unless some one can be generous enough to donate one, any slick suggestions are only an annoyance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Kilbane To: TCLUG Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy > are you running irix, then what version, or linux, what distrabution? I > don't think it is possible with irix. You should probably go with scsi > anyways. > > Colin Kilbane > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Jul 17 13:50:12 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19635] Zip Indy In-Reply-To: <001401bff01a$614e4a80$538be23f@gateway>; from Andrew Nemchenko on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 01:11:06PM -0500 References: <001401bff01a$614e4a80$538be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <20000717135012.A456@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 01:11:06PM -0500, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > It's running Irix and I'm not sure what version and once again for those who > have not been paying attention it is a parallel port zip drive. Which means > that its not a scsi zip drive so unless some one can be generous enough to > donate one, any slick suggestions are only an annoyance. Take a look at http://www-ccs.uchicago.edu/technotes/misc/irix-zip-jaz.txt . It doesn't sound good. "There is no support for the parallel-port version of the Zip drive in any version of IRIX, and none is planned." -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Mon Jul 17 15:29:58 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19643] Stupid GNOME User Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > could you be looking for /usr/bin/pppon or /usr/bin/pon? > > Not sure what RedHat uses, since the distro smokes quite a bit of crack, I think I used /etc/ppp/ipup, but I don't quit remember since... > (insert shameless Debian plug from the Debian Deciples here), but that > would be my buest guess. ... I use Debian now :) -Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jonathankl at ism-sabis.net Mon Jul 17 18:21:23 2000 From: jonathankl at ism-sabis.net (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19654] Qmail and Sendmail Message-ID: <002901bff049$7a886060$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Heres the deal: I have an email server which has an internet IP and a valid domain name. I also have a second box on the same network with a domain name and a real IP. The first box is teh email server for the school. The second box is my private play toy... it acts as my email server and play server. Generally I test everything on box 2 before I go and put it on box 1. We need to bring box 1 down tomarrow for some maitence, and we have no secondary mail server defined..... Small problem? Maybe. Box 1 is running Sendmail and my box, box 2 is running Qmail. Is there anyway to have my box, box 2, Accept all Mail for box 1, queue, don't try to deliver it, then have me manually enter a command to transfer all mail recieved by box 2 back to box 1? Therefore there would only be about 2 minutes of downtime vs about 2 hours? Is this to complex? I plan on changing the ip of box2 to match that of box if this possible! Thanks for the input and advice. ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Jonathan A. Kline, A+ Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ --END Geek Code-- ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Jul 17 19:09:22 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19655] XEmacs, gnuclient, ssh & xauth Message-ID: Got a problem that I'm hoping someone here can solve. First some background. I've got 3 machines here, disk, sun3-50 and eggplant. disk is my fileserver/boot server, eggplant is a workstation that has all my X applications and sun3-50 is a sun 3/50 that netboots off of disk. Now here's the problem. I have an xterm open on sun3-50, the prompt is on disk since that's where it booted from. I ssh to eggplant then run gnuclient so that I can connect to the XEmacs session running on eggplant. I promptly get an error that the connection was rejected due to an authentication error and my XEmacs session on eggplant get terminated too. My display variable is set correctly on all machines and I can start up rxvt just fine from eggplant. This is only with XEmacs. Any ideas? -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jul 17 20:49:36 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19654] Qmail and Sendmail In-Reply-To: <002901bff049$7a886060$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: I think you could give box2 box1's IP when you take it down, but don't put the domain name in the W class (usually sendmail.cw or grep "^CW" /etc/sendmail.cf). But Box2 may see the MX for box1 as pointing to itself and return undeliverable messages, so you may want to do some DNS trickery to fix the problem. Say the MX is box1.domain.com, which points to 192.168.1.1. Add an entry to /etc/hosts for box1.domain.com to an invalid IP (like 10.0.0.1, something that you can't route to) so that Box2 doesn't give an error like "Mail loops back to me, MX problem?". Box2 will receive mail for domain.com, domain.com isn't in it's cW, so it'll try to deliver it. The MX points to box1.domain.com and it's defined with an unreachable IP in /etc/hosts, so it /should/ queue the message. When Box1 is ready, switch the IP's back, then from Box1: telnet box2 25 220 Sendmail ... ETRN domain.com will send all the mail. Or you can sendmail -q to process the queue once. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Jonathan Kline wrote: > Heres the deal: I have an email server which has an internet IP and a valid > domain name. I also have a second box on the same network with a domain > name and a real IP. The first box is teh email server for the school. The > second box is my private play toy... it acts as my email server and play > server. Generally I test everything on box 2 before I go and put it on box > 1. We need to bring box 1 down tomarrow for some maitence, and we have no > secondary mail server defined..... Small problem? Maybe. Box 1 is running > Sendmail and my box, box 2 is running Qmail. Is there anyway to have my > box, box 2, Accept all Mail for box 1, queue, don't try to deliver it, then > have me manually enter a command to transfer all mail recieved by box 2 back > to box 1? Therefore there would only be about 2 minutes of downtime vs > about 2 hours? Is this to complex? I plan on changing the ip of box2 to > match that of box if this possible! > > Thanks for the input and advice. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > Jonathan A. Kline, A+ > Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN > > --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- > GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- > W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) > t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ > --END Geek Code-- > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jul 17 20:54:36 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19643] Stupid GNOME User Question In-Reply-To: ; from linux@bmetzler.org on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 03:29:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000717205436.A340@wookimus.net> On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 03:29:58PM -0500, linux@bmetzler.org wrote: > ... 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Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Mon Jul 17 22:44:02 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Fin de Siecle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19655] XEmacs, gnuclient, ssh & xauth References: Message-ID: <3973D27F.4BF35843@talkware.net> Jon Schewe wrote: > > Got a problem that I'm hoping someone here can solve. > > First some background. I've got 3 machines here, disk, sun3-50 and eggplant. > disk is my fileserver/boot server, eggplant is a workstation that has all my X > applications and sun3-50 is a sun 3/50 that netboots off of disk. > > Now here's the problem. I have an xterm open on sun3-50, the prompt is on > disk since that's where it booted from. I ssh to eggplant then run gnuclient > so that I can connect to the XEmacs session running on eggplant. I promptly > get an error that the connection was rejected due to an authentication error > and my XEmacs session on eggplant get terminated too. My display variable is > set correctly on all machines and I can start up rxvt just fine from > eggplant. This is only with XEmacs. Any ideas? Well, I don't know boo-ya about ssh, but I've had similar problems with network X sessions. First, since you don't explicitly mention it, did you add eggplant to sun3-50's allowed xhosts? The way I like to do it is to add, for your example, 'xhost +eggplant.mtu.net' to your .xinitrc on sun3-50. If you don't do this, you'll get connection failures. Also, your sentence seems to be saying that you're diverting a /running/ XEmacs session to sun3-50, which I have never tried; if instead you're starting an XEMacs session on eggplant and it's dying right away, this would be explained by the lack of X permissions, as XEMacs doesn't like not being able to init a display. :) Another thing you might try is making sure that the user doing all this has a valid .Xauthority (or is it .XAuthority? Damn case-sensitive filesystems...) -- the only way I know of to do this is to see if the user has one. If not, start an X session locally. If they do, delete it and start an X session locally, as it may have become corrupt (this has happened to me; the error messages contain the string 'XMIT-MAGIC-COOKIE'.) That's all the advice I can give. 'Tain't much, I know, but hopefully it's helpful. -- <------------------------Chris H. Bidler, Internet Helper Monkey-------------------------> The drive banged 3-4 times the head against its endrun, maybe to BE SURE it was there ... "*Beep TAka TAka TAka TAka -whirr- ..." -- simulated persona = "The Cube", node #251, of http://www.forum2000.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Jul 17 23:21:05 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19655] XEmacs, gnuclient, ssh & xauth In-Reply-To: Fin de Siecle's message of "Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:44:02 -0500" References: <3973D27F.4BF35843@talkware.net> Message-ID: Fin de Siecle writes: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Well, I don't know boo-ya about ssh, but I've had similar problems with > network X sessions. > First, since you don't explicitly mention it, did you add eggplant to > sun3-50's allowed xhosts? > The way I like to do it is to add, for your example, 'xhost > +eggplant.mtu.net' to your .xinitrc > on sun3-50. If you don't do this, you'll get connection failures. I've tried xhost+ on sun3-50 and that didn't seem to help. > Also, your sentence seems > to be saying that you're diverting a /running/ XEmacs session to > sun3-50, which I have never tried; > if instead you're starting an XEMacs session on eggplant and it's dying > right away, this would be > explained by the lack of X permissions, as XEMacs doesn't like not being > able to init a display. :) I start XEmacs on eggplant with a display, in fact I'm using it right now to write this mail. But with gnuclient you're able to open another display to a currently running XEmacs. > Another thing you might try is making sure that the user doing all this > has a valid .Xauthority (or > is it .XAuthority? Damn case-sensitive filesystems...) -- the only way > I know of to do this is to > see if the user has one. If not, start an X session locally. If they > do, delete it and start an X > session locally, as it may have become corrupt (this has happened to me; > the error messages contain the string 'XMIT-MAGIC-COOKIE'.) Just tried that and it didn't help. Here's the output from my last try, just after deleting the .Xauthority file, logging out of my xsession on sun3-50, then logging back in. >xauth list sun3-50.mn.mtu.net:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 07575a60574825453a30523f79422303 jpschewe@disk:~ >ssh eggplant Last login: Mon Jul 17 19:03:42 2000 from disk.mn.mtu.net Have a lot of fun... jpschewe@eggplant:~ >echo $DISPLAY eggplant:10.0 jpschewe@eggplant:~ >gnuclient X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication at Mon Jul 17 23:14:48 2000. a Rejected connection at Mon Jul 17 23:14:48 2000: X11 connection from eggplant.mn.mtu.net port 3797 -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Jul 18 07:42:48 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19654] Qmail and Sendmail In-Reply-To: <002901bff049$7a886060$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net>; from jonathankl@ism-sabis.net on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:21:23PM -0500 References: <002901bff049$7a886060$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000718074248.A29608@knicknack.net> A couple of possibilities. Both options assume that the DNS server for the school's domain is external to the box itself. 1. If the box will be down less than four hours, just shut it off. Servers sending you mail will just not be able to contact the school's mail server, and will retry later. If it'll be down longer than four hours, most sendmails will send a warning back to the sender of the message, undoubtedly confusing some of them, but it'll still work. 2. If you have access to the DNS server for the school and the TTL for the MX record is short enough for the change to propagate in time, set up a secondary MX record for the school pointing to Box 2. Then on Box 2 I think you just need to add the school's domain to control/rcpthosts, but not to control/locals and it will queue the mail until the primary MX comes back on line. (Disclaimer: I've never set up a secondary MX box using qmail, but I believe this is how you'd do it.) Hope this helps. Eric On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:21:23PM -0500, Jonathan Kline wrote: > Heres the deal: I have an email server which has an internet IP and a valid > domain name. I also have a second box on the same network with a domain > name and a real IP. The first box is teh email server for the school. The > second box is my private play toy... it acts as my email server and play > server. Generally I test everything on box 2 before I go and put it on box > 1. We need to bring box 1 down tomarrow for some maitence, and we have no > secondary mail server defined..... Small problem? Maybe. Box 1 is running > Sendmail and my box, box 2 is running Qmail. Is there anyway to have my > box, box 2, Accept all Mail for box 1, queue, don't try to deliver it, then > have me manually enter a command to transfer all mail recieved by box 2 back > to box 1? Therefore there would only be about 2 minutes of downtime vs > about 2 hours? Is this to complex? I plan on changing the ip of box2 to > match that of box if this possible! > > Thanks for the input and advice. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > Jonathan A. Kline, A+ > Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN > > --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- > GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- > W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) > t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ > --END Geek Code-- > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 07:58:43 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19662] Linux ad Message-ID: <39745483.9F3FEAE7@tc.umn.edu> Haven't seen this anywhere on TV yet.. ftp://ftp.k-lug.com/pub/archive/coolstuff/ibm-linux.avi -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ General Failure reading / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Jesse Berst \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bdunnette at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 08:05:58 2000 From: bdunnette at yahoo.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19643] Stupid GNOME User Question Message-ID: <20000718130558.260.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> I upgraded my RH6.2 installation with GNOME 1.2. >After the >installation, I have discovered that GNOME did not >honor the shortcuts >that existed before the upgrade. I can reproduce >most of them, >however, >I cannot seem to be able to create my DialUp shortcut >correctly? Does >anybody know what script the DialUp shortcut pointed >to in pre-GNOME >1.2? I spent some time last night hunting around >trying different >things but had no joy. I run Mandrake, and had similar problems after an upgrade -- use the modemlights applet, and make sure that it runs '/sbin/ifup ppp0' (or whatever your ppp connection is called) to connect, and '/sbin/ifdown ppp0' to disconnect. G'luck! Brian Dunnette __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 08:06:42 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19662] Linux ad In-Reply-To: <39745483.9F3FEAE7@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Haven't seen this anywhere on TV yet.. > > ftp://ftp.k-lug.com/pub/archive/coolstuff/ibm-linux.avi Hey, the video looked great on my fast connection at work, but I don't have a sound card in that machine. What'd Mr. Brooks say? Is this a real ad, or just something hacked? Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 08:20:47 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19662] Linux ad References: Message-ID: <397459AF.37329EE9@tc.umn.edu> Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Haven't seen this anywhere on TV yet.. > > > > ftp://ftp.k-lug.com/pub/archive/coolstuff/ibm-linux.avi > > Hey, the video looked great on my fast connection at work, but I don't > have a sound card in that machine. What'd Mr. Brooks say? Is this a real > ad, or just something hacked? It's a real ad, though I dunno if it'll ever go on the teevee.. (there's another copy on IBM's site: http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/audio/ibm_linux-02.avi Different file name, same file). Anyway, lemme try to jot this down.. "1991, Helsinki: A 21 year-old student named Linus Torvalds writes a new computer operating system. He calls it `Linux', then does something revolutionary -- he gives it away, free, over the Internet. The powers that be dismiss him as an eccentric -- a freak -- but everywhere coders and free thinkers embrace Linux, improve, and refine it. Now the forces of openness have a powerful and unexpected new ally." eesh, I'd never make it as a stenographer... :-p -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ In an alternate universe, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ their name is Macrohard. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Jul 18 08:36:23 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19654] Qmail and Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > I think you could give box2 box1's IP when you take it down, but don't put > the domain name in the W class (usually sendmail.cw or grep "^CW" > /etc/sendmail.cf). But Box2 may see the MX for box1 as pointing to itself > and return undeliverable messages, so you may want to do some DNS trickery > to fix the problem. > > Say the MX is box1.domain.com, which points to 192.168.1.1. Add an entry > to /etc/hosts for box1.domain.com to an invalid IP (like 10.0.0.1, > something that you can't route to) so that Box2 doesn't give an error like > "Mail loops back to me, MX problem?". Box2 will receive mail for > domain.com, domain.com isn't in it's cW, so it'll try to deliver it. The > MX points to box1.domain.com and it's defined with an unreachable IP in > /etc/hosts, so it /should/ queue the message. > Seems like alot of work. Couldn't you just add a lighter weight MX for box1 to box2 and then shutdown box1? From what i remember of DNS/BIND and sendmail the secondary mailserver(box2) should receive and hold all mail for box1 for a definible period of time or until box1 comes back online...I could be wrong but this seems a little easier, if that is how its going to work. Of course this depends on how long you have qmail set to attempt delivery, I think the default for most MTAs is 5 hours or so, but if it is just a short maintenence it shouldn't be a problem. Or, if Qmail has a queuing mode, you could set up the MX and start qmail in that queuing mode and, once box1 is back up, restart qmail normally which should result in delivery of all the queued mail. > Or you can sendmail -q to process the queue once. `sendmail -q' is very handy. Later... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 08:37:04 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19662] Linux ad In-Reply-To: <397459AF.37329EE9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > It's a real ad, though I dunno if it'll ever go on the teevee.. (there's > another copy on IBM's site: > http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/audio/ibm_linux-02.avi > Different file name, same file). Yeah -- I just went and saw it. Hrm, very interesting... > Anyway, lemme try to jot this down.. You, sir, are a gentleman and scholar. > "1991, Helsinki: A 21 year-old student named Linus Torvalds writes a > new computer operating system. Well, actually that could be corrected to "rewrites an old computer operating system," but this is one time when I think I'll not complain about the distortion of the truth for marketing purposes... ;) > eesh, I'd never make it as a stenographer... :-p No, but you might yet make it with a stenographer. Although, given the last time I heard of anyone with that job title, you would probably have to be interested in older women. Back to the grindstone... -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jul 18 08:58:17 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19654] Qmail and Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, you could add another MX but I believe he said he didn't have any other mail exchangers for that zone, and no time for DNS propogation (at least that's what I think he was getting at). Yes, my second post corrects the first one...you can just setup QMail to go into deferred delivery mode and it'll queue all messages automatically. Then send it an ETRN when the new box comes back uo to get the mail. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, mjn wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I think you could give box2 box1's IP when you take it down, but don't put > > the domain name in the W class (usually sendmail.cw or grep "^CW" > > /etc/sendmail.cf). But Box2 may see the MX for box1 as pointing to itself > > and return undeliverable messages, so you may want to do some DNS trickery > > to fix the problem. > > > > Say the MX is box1.domain.com, which points to 192.168.1.1. Add an entry > > to /etc/hosts for box1.domain.com to an invalid IP (like 10.0.0.1, > > something that you can't route to) so that Box2 doesn't give an error like > > "Mail loops back to me, MX problem?". Box2 will receive mail for > > domain.com, domain.com isn't in it's cW, so it'll try to deliver it. The > > MX points to box1.domain.com and it's defined with an unreachable IP in > > /etc/hosts, so it /should/ queue the message. > > > > Seems like alot of work. Couldn't you just add a lighter weight MX for > box1 to box2 and then shutdown box1? From what i remember of DNS/BIND and > sendmail the secondary mailserver(box2) should receive and hold all mail > for box1 for a definible period of time or until box1 comes back > online...I could be wrong but this seems a little easier, if that is how > its going to work. > > Of course this depends on how long you have qmail set to attempt delivery, > I think the default for most MTAs is 5 hours or so, but if it is just a > short maintenence it shouldn't be a problem. > > Or, if Qmail has a queuing mode, you could set up the MX and start qmail > in that queuing mode and, once box1 is back up, restart qmail normally > which should result in delivery of all the queued mail. > > > Or you can sendmail -q to process the queue once. > > `sendmail -q' is very handy. > > Later... > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 18 09:31:14 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19654] Qmail and Sendmail In-Reply-To: <002901bff049$7a886060$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Jonathan Kline wrote: > Heres the deal: I have an email server which has an internet IP and a valid > domain name. I also have a second box on the same network with a domain > name and a real IP. The first box is teh email server for the school. The > second box is my private play toy... it acts as my email server and play > server. Generally I test everything on box 2 before I go and put it on box > 1. We need to bring box 1 down tomarrow for some maitence, and we have no > secondary mail server defined..... Small problem? Maybe. Box 1 is running > Sendmail and my box, box 2 is running Qmail. Is there anyway to have my > box, box 2, Accept all Mail for box 1, queue, don't try to deliver it, then > have me manually enter a command to transfer all mail recieved by box 2 back > to box 1? Therefore there would only be about 2 minutes of downtime vs > about 2 hours? Is this to complex? I plan on changing the ip of box2 to > match that of box if this possible! > > Thanks for the input and advice. You just need to configure Qmail to relay for your domain, but not deliver locally. In sendmail, you would simply add the domain to the /etc/mail/access file and say to relay, but I'm not sure how to do this on Qmail. But, for the future, it'd be a good idea to leave this set up and define your playbox as the secondary MX. Or find an ISP willing to do secondary for you... -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jul 12 11:05:17 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19566] Next TCLUG Installfest Message-ID: <396C973D.E5B951BC@maddog.mn-linux.org> I finally found a place to host our next Installfest. It is in Edina and is available on Saturday August 12. To get an idea of how many might attend, please take a second to fill out the poll on the TCLUG webpage. http://www.mn-linux.org For those of you who don't know what an installfest is, go here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ I will send out an official annoucement in the next few days. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Jul 18 09:44:36 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19670] TCLUG Installfest Registration form Message-ID: <39746D54.B9B9F5CD@maddog.mn-linux.org> OK. I think everything is all set for the Installfest on August 12th. If you are planning on attanding, please fill out the registration for at the following URL: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php3 We also need some volunteers, so please specify if you are willing to help out or not. Thanks. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 09:54:56 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19662] Linux ad In-Reply-To: References: <39745483.9F3FEAE7@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000718095456.00a73cc0@g-swan.email.umn.edu> At 08:06 AM 7/18/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, the video looked great on my fast connection at work, but I don't >have a sound card in that machine. What'd Mr. Brooks say? Is this a real >ad, or just something hacked? I'm over-reacting but: It struck me as IBM' marketting division asserting it's *authority* again (this time re Linux)... (Sort of like the TV add they had during the late 80s that came damned near close to claiming they'd invented fractals.) I'm wondering how long it will be before they claim to have engineered Torvald's genes. (Bha-ha-ha-ha!) gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From heilja at varsityonline.com Tue Jul 18 15:44:40 2000 From: heilja at varsityonline.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq Message-ID: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Guys, I need some ammunition here. I am in the process of evaluating VALinux and Compaq high end hardware for a high availability solution for my companies website. The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. I need some hard evidence that VALinux is a stable company and the have rock solid solutions. I have heard through some admins, that the Compaq Linux solution is not as solid as VALinux's. Finally, I have two VALinux servers in use, now, as development and production webservers, so I know they work and work well. He bias runs pretty deep, kinda like the people who would die for MS. So I would appreciate any leads anyone can give me on helping me educate my boss. -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. heilja@varsityonline.com VarsityOnline.com http://www.varsityonline.com voice: 952-943-8400 ext 109 fax: 952-943-8300 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jul 18 15:51:56 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: Compaq? Isn't that the company that used to put /used/ hardware in it's "new" computers at your local Best Buy? ...and what about expandability...no one else in the industry uses such high-tech parts like T-10 torx screws, which you can only buy the T-10 driver at 2 places in Minnesota. Gotta love that! Make him administer a Proliant 1600 for a day. If he still has his hands after it explodes he'll want to march down to Compaq HQ and punch someone in person. Sorry, I have no hard evidence against Compaq...but I've never really looked for any. All I have is personal experience. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Joseph Heil wrote: > > Guys, > > I need some ammunition here. I am in the process of evaluating VALinux and > Compaq high end hardware for a high availability solution for my > companies website. The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that > financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. > I need some hard evidence that VALinux is a stable company and the > have rock solid solutions. I have heard through some admins, that > the Compaq Linux solution is not as solid as VALinux's. Finally, I have > two VALinux servers in use, now, as development and production webservers, > so I know they work and work well. He bias runs pretty deep, kinda like > the people who would die for MS. So I would appreciate any leads anyone can > give me on helping me educate my boss. > > > -- > Joseph A. Heil, Jr. heilja@varsityonline.com > VarsityOnline.com http://www.varsityonline.com > voice: 952-943-8400 ext 109 fax: 952-943-8300 > Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 18 16:03:25 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: I'd select neither, unless this is a very large server. I personaly don't see much reason to go with VALinux, they make generic systems, nothing really special, they use intel motherboards last i checked, which is fine and tested, your boss is pulling shit out of his ass frankly.. the hardware is fine, the company is going through growing pains, so there may be some stability problems. if you understand hardware, they are a tier three seller, they really don't do much in the development as far as hardware goes.. compaq is i tier 1 seller, they make some of the chips involved in their high end servers.. the "crossbar switch" stuff is really cool, but also makes their hardware damn expensive, and totaly propretary. personaly, I go with dell for that kind of server, they are tier 2, they make the motherboards, they support linux (i have bought 2 pre-installed poweredge linux systems, nicely setup), and they have good service. unless your boss has a problem with dell.. go with them.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Joseph Heil wrote: > > Guys, > > I need some ammunition here. I am in the process of evaluating VALinux and > Compaq high end hardware for a high availability solution for my > companies website. The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that > financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. > I need some hard evidence that VALinux is a stable company and the > have rock solid solutions. I have heard through some admins, that > the Compaq Linux solution is not as solid as VALinux's. Finally, I have > two VALinux servers in use, now, as development and production webservers, > so I know they work and work well. He bias runs pretty deep, kinda like > the people who would die for MS. So I would appreciate any leads anyone can > give me on helping me educate my boss. > > > -- > Joseph A. Heil, Jr. heilja@varsityonline.com > VarsityOnline.com http://www.varsityonline.com > voice: 952-943-8400 ext 109 fax: 952-943-8300 > Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Jul 18 16:11:21 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > I'd select neither, unless this is a very large server. I personaly don't > see much reason to go with VALinux, they make generic systems, nothing > really special, they use intel motherboards last i checked, which is fine > and tested, your boss is pulling shit out of his ass frankly.. the > hardware is fine, the company is going through growing pains, so there may > be some stability problems. if you understand hardware, they are a tier > three seller, they really don't do much in the development as far as > hardware goes.. compaq is i tier 1 seller, they make some of the chips > involved in their high end servers.. the "crossbar switch" stuff is really > cool, but also makes their hardware damn expensive, and totaly > propretary. personaly, I go with dell for that kind of server, they are > tier 2, they make the motherboards, they support linux (i have bought 2 > pre-installed poweredge linux systems, nicely setup), and they have good > service. unless your boss has a problem with dell.. go with them.. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > I second Ben's emotion. I giggled when I heard the "If you are calling about running Linux on Dell hardware press..." on the Dell helpline. I think they are doing great things and they put together solid systems. We have been buying nothing but Dell server for about 3 years and have really had no problems. The remote hardware trouble shooting stuff that they are introducing is wicked cool too. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From heilja at varsityonline.com Tue Jul 18 16:17:16 2000 From: heilja at varsityonline.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:11:21PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000718161716.D10629@master.varsityonline.com> Damm, now you guys have give me something to think about. Oh, btw, this is a large server enviroment. We are expecing to spend a min of $100k in just hardware. Quoting mjn (mjn@umn.edu): > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > I'd select neither, unless this is a very large server. I personaly don't > > see much reason to go with VALinux, they make generic systems, nothing > > really special, they use intel motherboards last i checked, which is fine > > and tested, your boss is pulling shit out of his ass frankly.. the > > hardware is fine, the company is going through growing pains, so there may > > be some stability problems. if you understand hardware, they are a tier > > three seller, they really don't do much in the development as far as > > hardware goes.. compaq is i tier 1 seller, they make some of the chips > > involved in their high end servers.. the "crossbar switch" stuff is really > > cool, but also makes their hardware damn expensive, and totaly > > propretary. personaly, I go with dell for that kind of server, they are > > tier 2, they make the motherboards, they support linux (i have bought 2 > > pre-installed poweredge linux systems, nicely setup), and they have good > > service. unless your boss has a problem with dell.. go with them.. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > I second Ben's emotion. I giggled when I heard the "If you are calling > about running Linux on Dell hardware press..." on the Dell helpline. I > think they are doing great things and they put together solid > systems. We have been buying nothing but Dell server for about 3 years > and have really had no problems. The remote hardware trouble shooting > stuff that they are introducing is wicked cool too. > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. heilja@varsityonline.com VarsityOnline.com http://www.varsityonline.com voice: 952-943-8400 ext 109 fax: 952-943-8300 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 16:35:02 2000 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: Hello! I'm building a file/print server. I'd like your thoughts. The network (as of right now) consists of 10-12 win98 machines plus one linux backup machine. Right now the database for the key client app (and a bunch of other important stuff) sits on one of the win98 machines. Ick. Before I put the linux machine in (a p75 with 32mb, found in a closet), they were depending on a guy switching out zip disks everyday. Ick. The linux machine rsyncs the current file "server" every night, plus once a week, so we can go back in time. If the "server" fails, the backup machine easily subs for it till things are righted, losing at most the day's work. Not good, but better than trying to restore a borken machine from zips, losing the same amount of work. I go into detail about the backup machine because I'm thinking of using it instead of a tape drive. Anyhoo, here's my plan: New dedicated file/print server (running linux, duh) pIII 450-600 128mb ram asus p3bf or abit bf6 2-4 quantum fireball 10.2g LM series (ide) 3ware ide raid card (2 or 4 port, doing raid 1) dual hot swap power supply maybe a tape drive I somewhat expect to be beaten severely for using "ide" and "raid" in the same sentence but... Does anybody have any hands on experience with 3ware's cards? The sales rep put me in contact with a couple of people who really like them... This is a dusty environment, so I don't trust anything that moves. Redundancy is more important than performance. So, raid 1, hot swap power supplies, I feel warm and fuzzy like. What I'm most interested in hearing about is how stupid/smart it is to use the junker backup machine as an alternative to a tape drive. Secondly, if it's really stupid, I'd like some suggestions for sub $1000 tape drives. Of course, all other pointers will be appreciated. This email turned out really long, sorry. Thanks in advance! - Ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 18 16:28:55 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com>; from heilja@varsityonline.com on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 03:44:40PM -0500 References: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: <20000718162855.B23727@real-time.com> > The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that > financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. the only things compaq has proved to me, are that they will put proprietary hardware in their machines (which costs 3x as much to replace), and that they don't care that much about the maintainability of their cases. I don't know about recent compaq hardware; but stuff I've seen that's a couple of years old is absolutely abominable. nearly impossible to maintain in some cases. I had a Proliant 300 server at my old job; where the front bezel was held on by tabs and screws in impossible-to-reach places. it was obviously not meant for end-users to add or remove hard drives/tape drives/etc; since one needed to remove the bezel to get to the drive bays. took me about an hour to take it apart. remember, this is the same company that for a long while put the BIOS configurator on a 5MB partition on the HDD; so if/when your disk died or needed to be reformatted, you lost the tool for configuring your BIOS (unless you DL'd the floppy configurator from their website... which might be hard if your only computer was belly-up at the time). I was just wrenching on a VA desktop box today; and while the lack of a removable side panel irked me; beyond that it was pretty nice hardware. Tyan dual-proc mobo (with only one proc installed); lots of ventillating fans; plenty of space to work within the case. the rackmount units we have here are even better. (with the exception of the annoying little clips that hold the slot cards in place because screws won't fit). Carl Soderstrom ------------------------------------------------ Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (612) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Jul 18 16:42:38 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000718161716.D10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Joseph Heil wrote: > > Damm, now you guys have give me something to think about. Oh, btw, this > is a large server enviroment. We are expecing to spend a min of $100k > in just hardware. > If you want to spend money on a cool system, go here: http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/products/series_rkopt_servers.htm We are looking at moving toward one of the Dell rack units soon... Gateway also has started making server class boxes. Now before the heckling starts, I heard that they bought out another company that had been making big load boxes for 15 years or so...I cannot remember the name but it might be worth a look regardless... http://www.gatewayatwork.com/prod/cp_servers.shtml ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jul 18 16:43:39 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hard drives for backup != backup solution... You're just asking to get burned, there's too many "what-ifs" to list. Tape may be slow, but the shelf-life is unbeeatable and the cost is pretty low for what you get. If your company relies on this data, you need to start talking about off-site storage, nightly, weekly, and monthly backups, a real solution. IMHO, if you feel the data is important enough to back up then you probably should use tape and have some sort of off-site storage. Management is usually pretty open to spending some cash if you can prove how important the data is. Normally the time lost recreating the lost data is more expensive then the cost of the tape drive and tapes. The selection for a drive depends on how much data you have to back up. I hate Travan, but it's probably the cheapest solution if you're talking about < 1Gb. I've been quite happy with DLT if you need many Gb. If you need lots of space you can get a Quantum ALT changer that can do more than 500Gb natively for ~ $10,000 (L500). They also have the P-1000 that can do about twice that. www.atlp.com Don't forget - according to the O'reilly book, if the cost for the tapes doesn't cost more than the drive, you're doing something wrong! Also, Amanda is your friend. She's also a Vietnamese prostitute that goes by "Ming Lee"... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 rgoldber@d.umn.edu wrote: > Hello! > > I'm building a file/print server. I'd like your thoughts. > > The network (as of right now) consists of 10-12 win98 machines plus one > linux backup machine. Right now the database for the key client app (and a > bunch of other important stuff) sits on one of the win98 machines. Ick. > Before I put the linux machine in (a p75 with 32mb, found in a closet), > they were depending on a guy switching out zip disks everyday. Ick. The > linux machine rsyncs the current file "server" every night, plus once a > week, so we can go back in time. If the "server" fails, the backup machine > easily subs for it till things are righted, losing at most the day's work. > Not good, but better than trying to restore a borken machine from zips, > losing the same amount of work. > > I go into detail about the backup machine because I'm thinking of using it > instead of a tape drive. Anyhoo, here's my plan: > > New dedicated file/print server (running linux, duh) > > pIII 450-600 > 128mb ram > asus p3bf or abit bf6 > 2-4 quantum fireball 10.2g LM series (ide) > 3ware ide raid card (2 or 4 port, doing raid 1) > dual hot swap power supply > maybe a tape drive > > I somewhat expect to be beaten severely for using "ide" and "raid" in the > same sentence but... Does anybody have any hands on experience with > 3ware's cards? The sales rep put me in contact with a couple of people who > really like them... > > This is a dusty environment, so I don't trust anything that moves. > Redundancy is more important than performance. So, raid 1, hot swap power > supplies, I feel warm and fuzzy like. > > What I'm most interested in hearing about is how stupid/smart it is to use > the junker backup machine as an alternative to a tape drive. Secondly, if > it's really stupid, I'd like some suggestions for sub $1000 tape > drives. Of course, all other pointers will be appreciated. > > This email turned out really long, sorry. > > Thanks in advance! > > - > > Ryan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 17:36:53 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:43:39PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000718173653.B31179@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I second Adam's advice. He mentions "the O'reilly book", but means "Unix Backup and Recovery". This book is an _excelent_ read for anyone doing _anything_ with backups _at all_ (i.e, if you're in charge of backups, read it _immediately_; if you're only incharge of doing restores and piddly backup stuff, read it _ASAP_). The author goes into great detail about implementing backup solutions and disaster recovery plans (even how to write a proposal so good that your boss or company's accountant can't say no! :). Gabe On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:43:39PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > hard drives for backup != backup solution... > > You're just asking to get burned, there's too many "what-ifs" to list. > Tape may be slow, but the shelf-life is unbeeatable and the cost is pretty > low for what you get. > > If your company relies on this data, you need to start talking about > off-site storage, nightly, weekly, and monthly backups, a real solution. > IMHO, if you feel the data is important enough to back up then you > probably should use tape and have some sort of off-site storage. > > Management is usually pretty open to spending some cash if you can prove > how important the data is. Normally the time lost recreating the lost > data is more expensive then the cost of the tape drive and tapes. > > The selection for a drive depends on how much data you have to back up. I > hate Travan, but it's probably the cheapest solution if you're talking > about < 1Gb. I've been quite happy with DLT if you need many Gb. If you > need lots of space you can get a Quantum ALT changer that can do more than > 500Gb natively for ~ $10,000 (L500). They also have the P-1000 that can > do about twice that. www.atlp.com > > Don't forget - according to the O'reilly book, if the cost for the tapes > doesn't cost more than the drive, you're doing something wrong! > > Also, Amanda is your friend. She's also a Vietnamese prostitute that goes > by "Ming Lee"... > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 rgoldber@d.umn.edu wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I'm building a file/print server. I'd like your thoughts. > > > > The network (as of right now) consists of 10-12 win98 machines plus one > > linux backup machine. Right now the database for the key client app (and a > > bunch of other important stuff) sits on one of the win98 machines. Ick. > > Before I put the linux machine in (a p75 with 32mb, found in a closet), > > they were depending on a guy switching out zip disks everyday. Ick. The > > linux machine rsyncs the current file "server" every night, plus once a > > week, so we can go back in time. If the "server" fails, the backup machine > > easily subs for it till things are righted, losing at most the day's work. > > Not good, but better than trying to restore a borken machine from zips, > > losing the same amount of work. > > > > I go into detail about the backup machine because I'm thinking of using it > > instead of a tape drive. Anyhoo, here's my plan: > > > > New dedicated file/print server (running linux, duh) > > > > pIII 450-600 > > 128mb ram > > asus p3bf or abit bf6 > > 2-4 quantum fireball 10.2g LM series (ide) > > 3ware ide raid card (2 or 4 port, doing raid 1) > > dual hot swap power supply > > maybe a tape drive > > > > I somewhat expect to be beaten severely for using "ide" and "raid" in the > > same sentence but... Does anybody have any hands on experience with > > 3ware's cards? The sales rep put me in contact with a couple of people who > > really like them... > > > > This is a dusty environment, so I don't trust anything that moves. > > Redundancy is more important than performance. So, raid 1, hot swap power > > supplies, I feel warm and fuzzy like. > > > > What I'm most interested in hearing about is how stupid/smart it is to use > > the junker backup machine as an alternative to a tape drive. Secondly, if > > it's really stupid, I'd like some suggestions for sub $1000 tape > > drives. Of course, all other pointers will be appreciated. > > > > This email turned out really long, sorry. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > - > > > > Ryan > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jul 18 18:08:14 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20000718173653.B31179@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Uh yeah, sorry. I forget that the rest of you can't read thoughts. "Unix Backup and Recovery" is "the O'reilly book" I was incoherently rambling about. Ugh...my multitasker needs work and I'm getting packet loss on the Brain -> Finger interface. That would be /dev/br0 and /dev/fi0 - /dev/fi9 Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > I second Adam's advice. He mentions "the O'reilly book", but means "Unix Backup > and Recovery". This book is an _excelent_ read for anyone doing _anything_ with --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Jul 18 18:31:26 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq References: Message-ID: <3974E8CD.9D075BF1@black-hole.com> What are the specific personal experiences. That is hard evidence. Adam Maloney wrote: > Compaq? Isn't that the company that used to put /used/ hardware in it's > "new" computers at your local Best Buy? > > ...and what about expandability...no one else in the industry uses such > high-tech parts like T-10 torx screws, which you can only buy the T-10 > driver at 2 places in Minnesota. Gotta love that! > > Make him administer a Proliant 1600 for a day. If he still has his hands > after it explodes he'll want to march down to Compaq HQ and punch someone > in person. > > Sorry, I have no hard evidence against Compaq...but I've never really > looked for any. All I have is personal experience. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Joseph Heil wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > > I need some ammunition here. I am in the process of evaluating VALinux and > > Compaq high end hardware for a high availability solution for my > > companies website. The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that > > financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. > > I need some hard evidence that VALinux is a stable company and the > > have rock solid solutions. I have heard through some admins, that > > the Compaq Linux solution is not as solid as VALinux's. Finally, I have > > two VALinux servers in use, now, as development and production webservers, > > so I know they work and work well. He bias runs pretty deep, kinda like > > the people who would die for MS. So I would appreciate any leads anyone can > > give me on helping me educate my boss. > > > > > > -- > > Joseph A. Heil, Jr. heilja@varsityonline.com > > VarsityOnline.com http://www.varsityonline.com > > voice: 952-943-8400 ext 109 fax: 952-943-8300 > > Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 18 19:59:50 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20000718173653.B31179@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 05:36:53PM -0500 References: <20000718173653.B31179@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000718195950.A24311@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [000718 17:34]: > disaster recovery plans (even how to write a proposal so good that your boss or > company's accountant can't say no! :). And if they don't, pull out a match and hold it under the drive array and ask the boss what would happen to the business if this were a real fire :) Well. perhaps not. :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to search for an ip address by using the string: [0-9]\{3\}(\.[0-9]\{1,3\})\{3\} (3 numbers, then 3 sets of a dot followed by 1 to 3 numbers). If I run: echo "asdfas .asd 216.123.34.123 asdfas asdf"|sed 's/.*\([0-9]\{3\}(\.[0-9]\{1,3\})\{3\}\).*$/\1/' I just get the original line back. If I search just with the basic string, it doesn't match: echo "asdfas .asd 216.123.34.123 asdfas asdf"|sed -n '/([0-9]\{3\}(\.[0-9]\{1,3\})\{3\}/p outputs nothing. I think the problem is with the grouping of the the runs of .### since: echo "asdfas .asd 216.23.123.43 asdf asd|sed 's/.*\([0-9]\{3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\).*$/\1/' works prefectly, but is a little long in syntax. Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 21:31:36 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <3974E8CD.9D075BF1@black-hole.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Brian Toberman wrote: > What are the specific personal experiences. That is hard evidence. Point of fact: specific personal experiences are anecdotal evidence, not hard evidence. If you have enough of them, you have a statistic. But statistics *never* imply causality, nor guarantee outcomes. That said, what are the specific personal experiences? :) Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Jul 18 21:39:59 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19655] XEmacs, gnuclient, ssh & xauth In-Reply-To: Jon Schewe's message of "17 Jul 2000 23:21:05 -0500" References: <3973D27F.4BF35843@talkware.net> Message-ID: Well I found a solution on Usenet, for any interested parties here it is: Are you by chance running openssh? They make an XAUTH per session in a tmp file rather than simply using the ~/.Xauthority file you already have for all your Xsessions Here is my quick hacked editclient.sh that makes the XEmacs process merge the new Xauthority into its own $XAUTHORITY file, which is different than the one you're getting from the remote session. #!/bin/bash if gnuclient -batch -eval t >/dev/null 2>&1 then if [ "$XAUTHORITY" != "" ]; then gnuclient -batch -f "shell-command \"xauth merge $XAUTHORITY\"" \ >/dev/null 2>&1 fi exec gnuclient -q ${1+"$@"} else xemacs -unmapped -f gnuserv-start & until gnuclient -batch -eval t >/dev/null 2>&1 do sleep 1 done exec gnuclient -q ${1+"$@"} fi -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Tue Jul 18 21:42:27 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > statistics *never* imply causality, nor guarantee outcomes. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's not true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that is. > That said, what are the specific personal experiences? :) I've had poopy experience with Compaqs, but nigh on 2 years ago. out of 12 systems delivered, 3 were DOA, one had no CPU in it. That's where the problem started. Andy > > Phil M > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 21:53:44 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > statistics *never* imply causality, nor guarantee outcomes. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > That's not true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > that is. I'm not going to argue the point. Look in any statistics book at your convenience. What I said is provably correct, so I have no bones to pick about it.~ > I've had poopy experience with Compaqs, but nigh on 2 years ago. > out of 12 systems delivered, 3 were DOA, one had no CPU in it. > That's where the problem started. I have apparently been the exception that proves the rule. I have a Compaq that works OK, but it's a home desktop sort (Presario?). Even though it works OK, it has no upgrade path, so that bites. Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 21:59:17 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference References: Message-ID: <39751985.42287365@tc.umn.edu> Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > statistics *never* imply causality, nor guarantee outcomes. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > That's not true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > that is. > > I'm not going to argue the point. Look in any statistics book at your > convenience. What I said is provably correct, so I have no bones to pick > about it.~ I think the key word is `imply'. Unless your definition is different than mine, you can imply a lot of things, but you can't prove nearly as much. Of course, I'm weird, since I think `proof by induction' is roughly equivalent to `proof by implication'... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Air conditioned / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ environment - Do not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) open Windows. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Tue Jul 18 22:08:12 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... References: Message-ID: <39751B9C.16FBF489@bgea.org> Rolling your own pc's is great fun .. I've built all my home boxen. That said, you could take a look at the IBM Netfinity's. I've a pair of the 3000 models running at work that have been great for what we paid. $1700 gets you a PIII-450, 9G scsi, etherpro100, 64M mem (added another 64M). It serves up dns, dhcp, and 50 laser printers to some 400+ windows users w/o breaking a sweat. Adding a redundant ps, and raid-1 mirroring would probably double the price. Linux install was a breeze. There were issues at the time with getting X to recognize the video chip, but that's probably fixed by now. And do get a tape backup. DLT's the way to go .. I just found a 15G Quantum on eBay for $400. The tapes hit the pocketbook, but off-site storeage really should be considered! -jh rgoldber@d.umn.edu wrote: > Hello! > > I'm building a file/print server. I'd like your thoughts. > > The network (as of right now) consists of 10-12 win98 machines plus one > linux backup machine. Right now the database for the key client app (and a > bunch of other important stuff) sits on one of the win98 machines. Ick. > Before I put the linux machine in (a p75 with 32mb, found in a closet), > they were depending on a guy switching out zip disks everyday. Ick. The > linux machine rsyncs the current file "server" every night, plus once a > week, so we can go back in time. If the "server" fails, the backup machine > easily subs for it till things are righted, losing at most the day's work. > Not good, but better than trying to restore a borken machine from zips, > losing the same amount of work. > > I go into detail about the backup machine because I'm thinking of using it > instead of a tape drive. Anyhoo, here's my plan: > > New dedicated file/print server (running linux, duh) > > pIII 450-600 > 128mb ram > asus p3bf or abit bf6 > 2-4 quantum fireball 10.2g LM series (ide) > 3ware ide raid card (2 or 4 port, doing raid 1) > dual hot swap power supply > maybe a tape drive > > I somewhat expect to be beaten severely for using "ide" and "raid" in the > same sentence but... Does anybody have any hands on experience with > 3ware's cards? The sales rep put me in contact with a couple of people who > really like them... > > This is a dusty environment, so I don't trust anything that moves. > Redundancy is more important than performance. So, raid 1, hot swap power > supplies, I feel warm and fuzzy like. > > What I'm most interested in hearing about is how stupid/smart it is to use > the junker backup machine as an alternative to a tape drive. Secondly, if > it's really stupid, I'd like some suggestions for sub $1000 tape > drives. Of course, all other pointers will be appreciated. > > This email turned out really long, sorry. > > Thanks in advance! > > - > > Ryan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- John Hawley // Network Admin Billy Graham Evang. Assoc. 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 18 23:00:30 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... References: <39751B9C.16FBF489@bgea.org> Message-ID: <397527DE.C83FD8D1@tc.umn.edu> John Hawley wrote: > > And do get a tape backup. DLT's the way to go .. I just found a 15G Quantum > on eBay for $400. The tapes hit the pocketbook, but off-site storeage really > should be considered! But are DLTs very safe when it comes to dust? Ryan said his area was pretty dusty, and I know that I've had all sorts of nasty things happen to my system because of dust. My family's house is pretty bad (not really sure why..), and I've lost a few power supplies and CD-ROMs to those wonderful little particles. It's also had a negative impact on the tapes, floppies, and Zip disks that I've owned. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I was trying to daydream, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ but my mind kept \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) wandering. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 19 02:11:17 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19694] Free BSD installation References: <39751B9C.16FBF489@bgea.org> <397527DE.C83FD8D1@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39755495.33E151F7@tc.umn.edu> This is the fifth time my Free BSD installation has failed. During installation process when it starts to unpack rfc_codes it shows a message "waiting for the package.." I don't see any CD Rom activity for hours after that. After Power down and up I am not able to set root password any more. Anyone had this problem or I downloaded a defective 4.0 version? Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Jul 19 01:22:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > statistics *never* imply causality, nor guarantee outcomes. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > That's not true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > that is. > > I'm not going to argue the point. Look in any statistics book at your > convenience. What I said is provably correct, so I have no bones to pick > about it.~ Come back and talk to me when you've gone through a stats Ph.D. program. > > I've had poopy experience with Compaqs, but nigh on 2 years ago. > > out of 12 systems delivered, 3 were DOA, one had no CPU in it. > > That's where the problem started. > > I have apparently been the exception that proves the rule. I have a > Compaq that works OK, but it's a home desktop sort (Presario?). Even > though it works OK, it has no upgrade path, so that bites. That'd be a huge deal for me, but not necessarily for the application that started the thread. Never have I seen Compaq to stand out in terms of performance. I've also heard too many reports of other quality control problems. But I wonder why VALinux is the only one mentioned -- is there an option to consider e.g., Dell? This way you can sorta compare apples to apples, by taking the same systems and evaluating the vendor's (relatively new) Linux support vs. the more established Win32 support. Andy > Cheers, > Phil M --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 19 01:28:07 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: <397527DE.C83FD8D1@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 11:00:30PM -0500 References: <39751B9C.16FBF489@bgea.org> <397527DE.C83FD8D1@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000719012807.D24311@ringworld.org> * Mike Hicks [000718 23:01]: > But are DLTs very safe when it comes to dust? Ryan said his area was You havent seen what some companies do to test DLT tapes then, heh? :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000719/f464b01f/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 19 04:37:28 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19677] Your thoughts... In-Reply-To: <397527DE.C83FD8D1@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: The drive pulls the tape in and around it's own spindle, so the tape is never exposed when the cartridge is unloaded. It's always inside either the tape cartridge or the drive. You should keep your tapes in some sort of storage unit anyways...leaving them out is just asking for trouble. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > > > > And do get a tape backup. DLT's the way to go .. I just found a 15G Quantum > > on eBay for $400. The tapes hit the pocketbook, but off-site storeage really > > should be considered! > > But are DLTs very safe when it comes to dust? Ryan said his area was > pretty dusty, and I know that I've had all sorts of nasty things happen > to my system because of dust. My family's house is pretty bad (not > really sure why..), and I've lost a few power supplies and CD-ROMs to > those wonderful little particles. It's also had a negative impact on > the tapes, floppies, and Zip disks that I've owned. > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I was trying to daydream, > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ but my mind kept > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) wandering. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 19 08:08:16 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: recently, according to an NT guy (who actualy knew his stuff) I was talking to, compaq actualy does have some preformance advantages in their higher end servers, where they use their own memory/bus chipsets, and not intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at a time.. which is really cool. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > statistics *never* imply causality, nor guarantee outcomes. > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > That's not true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > that is. > > > > I'm not going to argue the point. Look in any statistics book at your > > convenience. What I said is provably correct, so I have no bones to pick > > about it.~ > > Come back and talk to me when you've gone through a stats Ph.D. program. > > > > I've had poopy experience with Compaqs, but nigh on 2 years ago. > > > out of 12 systems delivered, 3 were DOA, one had no CPU in it. > > > That's where the problem started. > > > > I have apparently been the exception that proves the rule. I have a > > Compaq that works OK, but it's a home desktop sort (Presario?). Even > > though it works OK, it has no upgrade path, so that bites. > > That'd be a huge deal for me, but not necessarily for the application that > started the thread. > > Never have I seen Compaq to stand out in terms of performance. I've also > heard too many reports of other quality control problems. > > But I wonder why VALinux is the only one mentioned -- is there an option > to consider e.g., Dell? This way you can sorta compare apples to apples, > by taking the same systems and evaluating the vendor's (relatively new) > Linux support vs. the more established Win32 support. > > Andy > > > Cheers, > > Phil M > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 19 08:15:29 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19694] Free BSD installation References: <39751B9C.16FBF489@bgea.org> <397527DE.C83FD8D1@tc.umn.edu> <39755495.33E151F7@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <002601bff183$697b6ed0$dd29680a@tgt.com> How did this become a FreeBSD list? (I do advocate FreeBSD as well as Linux - I am a crossbreed :) Try this list instead: Freebsd-Users mailing list Freebsd-Users@Geeks.ORG http://mailman.Geeks.ORG/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users It is run by Mike Horwath at VISI.com. Very informed people. Very low traffic. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Apu To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 2:11 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19694] Free BSD installation > > This is the fifth time my Free BSD installation has failed. During installation > process when it starts to unpack rfc_codes it shows a message "waiting for the > package.." I don't see any CD Rom activity for hours after that. After Power down > and up I am not able to set root password any more. > > Anyone had this problem or I downloaded a defective 4.0 version? > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 19 10:06:45 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 08:08:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000719100644.A32381@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [000719 08:08]: > intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar > switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at > a time.. which is really cool. Read: Neat name for something that many high-end hardware machines do. SEE: Many high-end non-x86 sgi machines for instance. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Kochie [000719 08:08]: > > intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar > > switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at > > a time.. which is really cool. > > Read: Neat name for something that many high-end hardware machines do. > SEE: Many high-end non-x86 sgi machines for instance. > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > > Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 19 10:13:24 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes.. i'll agree with that.. and that's what I was saying.. if you need preformance on a database like oracle.. you need to go with a full blown server box like an alpha, or a sparc. web serving however, can be done easily on intel type stuff.. and can be scaled much better by throwing a cluster of servers at it.. where a bunch of cheap hardware is more reliable, and faster than one big server Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Yeah...if you really want high-performance, reliability and a clear > upgrade path there's this company called Sun...UE10k anybody? > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > > * Ben Kochie [000719 08:08]: > > > intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar > > > switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at > > > a time.. which is really cool. > > > > Read: Neat name for something that many high-end hardware machines do. > > SEE: Many high-end non-x86 sgi machines for instance. > > > > -- > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > > -J > > > > Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 19 10:37:42 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: <20000719100644.A32381@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Kochie [000719 08:08]: > > intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar > > switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at > > a time.. which is really cool. > > Read: Neat name for something that many high-end hardware machines do. > SEE: Many high-end non-x86 sgi machines for instance. Not entirely. The crossbar switch was something developed by DEC, and I'm pretty sure that Compaq just inherited it in the purchase. But I don't doubt that the same performance is achieved elsewhere, whether by the same means or not. -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 19 10:45:20 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: References: <20000719100644.A32381@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719104520.00a68700@g-swan.email.umn.edu> At 10:09 AM 7/19/00 -0500, you wrote: >Yeah...if you really want high-performance, reliability and a clear >upgrade path there's this company called Sun...UE10k anybody? I'm lurking & Learning ......and clue-less ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (ie, I'm curious what the heck "UE10k" is?) "What's baffled mean?" gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 19 10:50:29 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000719104520.00a68700@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: the UE10k is sun microsystem's bigest server.. totaly scaleable, very powerful, but at $900,000 for a base system, it's a little spendy.. (you don't get much for that either) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, George Swan wrote: > At 10:09 AM 7/19/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Yeah...if you really want high-performance, reliability and a clear > >upgrade path there's this company called Sun...UE10k anybody? > I'm lurking & Learning ......and clue-less ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > (ie, I'm curious what the heck "UE10k" is?) > > > > "What's baffled mean?" > gs > > ****************************************** > George Swan > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 19 10:52:07 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19706] env var in cron Message-ID: Hey everyone, Can I use a reference to an environment variable for a cron entry. I'm trying to run a setiathome client, and I've got SETIDIR set to the place where the client keeps the work unit it's crunching on. I've got the SETIDIR set in /root/.bash_profile, but I'm doubting that crond will know what $SETIDIR is. Any hints? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 19 10:56:06 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000719104520.00a68700@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719105606.00a65450@g-swan.email.umn.edu> (hic-cup!) $$$$8-) Thanks! gs At 10:50 AM 7/19/00 -0500, you wrote: >the UE10k is sun microsystem's bigest server.. totaly scaleable, very >powerful, but at $900,000 for a base system, it's a little spendy.. (you >don't get much for that either) > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] >| Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] >| PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] >| Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] >| http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] >*-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, George Swan wrote: > >> At 10:09 AM 7/19/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >Yeah...if you really want high-performance, reliability and a clear >> >upgrade path there's this company called Sun...UE10k anybody? >> I'm lurking & Learning ......and clue-less ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> (ie, I'm curious what the heck "UE10k" is?) >> >> >> >> "What's baffled mean?" >> gs >> >> ****************************************** >> George Swan >> Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 >> Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 >> University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu >> 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu >> Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu >> USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 19 11:01:59 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:37:42AM -0500 References: <20000719100644.A32381@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000719110159.B18635@real-time.com> > Not entirely. The crossbar switch was something developed by DEC, and > I'm pretty sure that Compaq just inherited it in the purchase. But I > don't doubt that the same performance is achieved elsewhere, whether by > the same means or not. I belive my 1984 copy of Kai Hwang's "Computer Architecture and Parallel Processing" mentions crossbar switches, in the contex of the best (and most expensive) way to build a system bus. I don't recall it being particular to any manufacturer. Carl Soderstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (612) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 19 11:11:21 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19706] env var in cron References: Message-ID: <3975D329.89CDFD1C@tc.umn.edu> Tim, I think the best way to do this is to create a script that sets up the environment (or sources /root/.bash_profile if that makes sense to you) and runs the client. If there a standard location for cron scripts on your system (/cron, /etc/cron, or something similar), put it there. Oh, and make sure you reference all files in cron jobs (and cron scripts) using their full path. This relieves many cron headaches. Good luck, Troy Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Can I use a reference to an environment variable for a cron entry. I'm > trying to run a setiathome client, and I've got SETIDIR set to the place > where the client keeps the work unit it's crunching on. I've got the SETIDIR > set in /root/.bash_profile, but I'm doubting that crond will know what > $SETIDIR is. Any hints? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 19 11:18:02 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't get much?! You get to say "I have a UE10k". And your friends get to say "I have a friend that has a UE10k". Much better than "I have a room full of crappy x86 hardware". Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > the UE10k is sun microsystem's bigest server.. totaly scaleable, very > powerful, but at $900,000 for a base system, it's a little spendy.. (you > don't get much for that either) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, George Swan wrote: > > > At 10:09 AM 7/19/00 -0500, you wrote: > > >Yeah...if you really want high-performance, reliability and a clear > > >upgrade path there's this company called Sun...UE10k anybody? > > I'm lurking & Learning ......and clue-less ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > (ie, I'm curious what the heck "UE10k" is?) > > > > > > > > "What's baffled mean?" > > gs > > > > ****************************************** > > George Swan > > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 19 11:21:55 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hahahahahha.. well.. yes.. braging rights and all.. but as far as bang/buck you don't get much for 900k.. but add another million or two to fully load a 10k, and THAT will give you some horsepower.. just don't forget to have that 500k/year service contract with sun :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Don't get much?! You get to say "I have a UE10k". And your friends get > to say "I have a friend that has a UE10k". Much better than "I have a > room full of crappy x86 hardware". > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > the UE10k is sun microsystem's bigest server.. totaly scaleable, very > > powerful, but at $900,000 for a base system, it's a little spendy.. (you > > don't get much for that either) > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, George Swan wrote: > > > > > At 10:09 AM 7/19/00 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Yeah...if you really want high-performance, reliability and a clear > > > >upgrade path there's this company called Sun...UE10k anybody? > > > I'm lurking & Learning ......and clue-less ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > (ie, I'm curious what the heck "UE10k" is?) > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's baffled mean?" > > > gs > > > > > > ****************************************** > > > George Swan > > > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > > > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > > > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > > > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > > > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > > > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Jul 19 11:22:20 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19706] env var in cron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why not just have cron run a shell or perl script that does know what the variable is? Andy On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Can I use a reference to an environment variable for a cron entry. I'm > trying to run a setiathome client, and I've got SETIDIR set to the place > where the client keeps the work unit it's crunching on. I've got the SETIDIR > set in /root/.bash_profile, but I'm doubting that crond will know what > $SETIDIR is. Any hints? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 19 11:25:25 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:06:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So they can drive you out a box of floppies at 2am :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > hahahahahha.. well.. yes.. braging rights and all.. but as far as > bang/buck you don't get much for 900k.. but add another million or two to > fully load a 10k, and THAT will give you some horsepower.. just don't > forget to have that 500k/year service contract with sun :) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 19 11:31:31 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference In-Reply-To: <20000719110159.B18635@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Not entirely. The crossbar switch was something developed by DEC, and > > I'm pretty sure that Compaq just inherited it in the purchase. But I > > don't doubt that the same performance is achieved elsewhere, whether by > > the same means or not. > I belive my 1984 copy of Kai Hwang's "Computer Architecture and > Parallel Processing" mentions crossbar switches, in the contex of the > best (and most expensive) way to build a system bus. I don't recall it > being particular to any manufacturer. I'll check my facts. I know that there was *a* crossbar switch developed by DEC, and it was a big huge project. I think it earned a couple of patents, but no doubt there is more than one way to skin a cat with that many variables. -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Jul 19 10:56:58 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference Message-ID: <0FXY0054KCVYNQ@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, AMD uses the same setup, also (DECs Alpha bus), so when multi-proc Athlon systems become available, you should see the same performance. Nick mend0070@tc.umn.edu, on 07/19/2000 10:37:42 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Kochie [000719 08:08]: > > intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar > > switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at > > a time.. which is really cool. > > Read: Neat name for something that many high-end hardware machines do. > SEE: Many high-end non-x86 sgi machines for instance. Not entirely. The crossbar switch was something developed by DEC, and I'm pretty sure that Compaq just inherited it in the purchase. But I don't doubt that the same performance is achieved elsewhere, whether by the same means or not. -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Jul 19 13:15:01 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19716] Something useful (free memory testor) Message-ID: <003901bff1ad$65a34ba0$8902a8c0@newnan.lti> Here's a little gem that helped solve the mystery of the crashing Linux box. Nice, Linux based, stand alone memory checker. (compiling crates a .bin file to dd to a floppy.) http://reality.sgi.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ Just what I needed though. Not like having a Linux box crash bi-weekly, loose the superblock of your /var partition (at least it was a new install with nothing important at the time), and then have bad memory. I will get this box up and running by Friday...really I will. Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Jul 19 13:29:23 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19716] Something useful (free memory testor) References: <003901bff1ad$65a34ba0$8902a8c0@newnan.lti> Message-ID: <3975F383.DDEE7B8D@innominatus.com> wow. that is a neat program. Do you know of anymore like it. Maybe for hard drives or video cards or displays. I image this is going to come in quite useful on a boot floppy. Thanks Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Here's a little gem that helped solve the mystery of the crashing Linux box. > Nice, Linux based, stand alone memory checker. (compiling crates a .bin file > to dd to a floppy.) > > http://reality.sgi.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ > > Just what I needed though. Not like having a Linux box crash bi-weekly, > loose the superblock of your /var partition (at least it was a new install > with nothing important at the time), and then have bad memory. I will get > this box up and running by Friday...really I will. > > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Jul 19 15:39:41 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq, and OT: statistical inference References: <20000719100644.A32381@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3976120D.D7BE72CC@tcfreenet.org> > > intel's off the shelf stuff. they use something called "crossbar > > switch" which allows DRAM requests to be interlaced to multiple dimm's at > > a time.. which is really cool. > > Read: Neat name for something that many high-end hardware machines do. > SEE: Many high-end non-x86 sgi machines for instance. Oldest trick in the book. The VLB ET4000 card in my 486 does such a thing. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From openview at mindspring.com Wed Jul 19 15:49:41 2000 From: openview at mindspring.com (openview@mindspring.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19719] Getting named to dump it's database Message-ID: I'm running BIND 8 on Redhat 6.2. When I ask it to dump the database with SIGINT or ndc I get nothing. Dumping stats doesn't work either. I've tailed /var/log/messages and can see messages for a reload when I ask it to with ndc or with kill -s SIGHUP pid. Any thoughts? thanks chuckc ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [root@dns1 /root]# which named /usr/sbin/named [root@dns1 /root]# cd /usr/sbin [root@dns1 sbin]# strings -a named | grep -i named named-xfer Usage: named [-d #] [-q] [-r] [-v] [-f] [-p port] [[-b|-c] configfile] named.run /etc/named.conf named named shutting down named restarting named-xfer "%s" exited with signal %d named-xfer for "%s" exited %d /var/run/named.pid /usr/sbin/named-xfer named_dump.db named.stats named.memstats named.run [DYNAMIC_UPDATE] id %u from %s %s (named pid %ld): @(#)named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr /src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr/src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named [root@dns1 sbin]# --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:08:49 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19719] Getting named to dump it's database In-Reply-To: ; from openview@mindspring.com on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:49:41PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20000719160849.A20371@yahoo.com> I think 'dig' might be helpful. It comes with BIND. Tim On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:49:41PM -0400, openview@mindspring.com wrote: > I'm running BIND 8 on Redhat 6.2. > > When I ask it to dump the database with SIGINT or ndc I get nothing. > Dumping stats doesn't work either. I've tailed /var/log/messages > and can see messages for a reload when I ask it to with ndc or > with kill -s SIGHUP pid. > > Any thoughts? > > thanks > chuckc > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > [root@dns1 /root]# which named > /usr/sbin/named > > [root@dns1 /root]# cd /usr/sbin > > [root@dns1 sbin]# strings -a named | grep -i named > named-xfer > Usage: named [-d #] [-q] [-r] [-v] [-f] [-p port] [[-b|-c] configfile] > named.run > /etc/named.conf > named > named shutting down > named restarting > named-xfer "%s" exited with signal %d > named-xfer for "%s" exited %d > /var/run/named.pid > /usr/sbin/named-xfer > named_dump.db > named.stats > named.memstats > named.run > [DYNAMIC_UPDATE] id %u from %s %s (named pid %ld): > @(#)named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr > /src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 > root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr/src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > [root@dns1 sbin]# > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 19 16:34:21 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19719] Getting named to dump it's database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What's the directory/file set as in the options { }, or are you using the default? There may be something you haven't set in the named.conf and it's not dumping to where you'd expect it to (or it can't dump to the default for whatever reason). My memory's a bit foggy on this, I haven't had to do it in awhile. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 openview@mindspring.com wrote: > I'm running BIND 8 on Redhat 6.2. > > When I ask it to dump the database with SIGINT or ndc I get nothing. > Dumping stats doesn't work either. I've tailed /var/log/messages > and can see messages for a reload when I ask it to with ndc or > with kill -s SIGHUP pid. > > Any thoughts? > > thanks > chuckc > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > [root@dns1 /root]# which named > /usr/sbin/named > > [root@dns1 /root]# cd /usr/sbin > > [root@dns1 sbin]# strings -a named | grep -i named > named-xfer > Usage: named [-d #] [-q] [-r] [-v] [-f] [-p port] [[-b|-c] configfile] > named.run > /etc/named.conf > named > named shutting down > named restarting > named-xfer "%s" exited with signal %d > named-xfer for "%s" exited %d > /var/run/named.pid > /usr/sbin/named-xfer > named_dump.db > named.stats > named.memstats > named.run > [DYNAMIC_UPDATE] id %u from %s %s (named pid %ld): > @(#)named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr > /src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 > root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr/src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > [root@dns1 sbin]# > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Jul 19 19:03:15 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19716] Something useful (free memory tester) References: <003901bff1ad$65a34ba0$8902a8c0@newnan.lti> <3975F383.DDEE7B8D@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <001d01bff1dd$e86590e0$9dc6fea9@gavin> > wow. that is a neat program. Do you know of anymore like it. Maybe for hard > drives or video cards or displays. > I image this is going to come in quite useful on a boot floppy. Nope, got lucky and guessed it was bad memory. Found the program and I was right. Didn't have to search for anything else. But, try google. =) Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 19 21:31:23 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19719] Getting named to dump it's database In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:34:21PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000719213123.D32381@ringworld.org> You are worried about allow-update {ip-list;}; * Adam Maloney [000719 16:34]: > What's the directory/file set as in the options { }, or are you using the > default? > > There may be something you haven't set in the named.conf and it's not > dumping to where you'd expect it to (or it can't dump to the default for > whatever reason). My memory's a bit foggy on this, I haven't had to do it > in awhile. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 openview@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I'm running BIND 8 on Redhat 6.2. > > > > When I ask it to dump the database with SIGINT or ndc I get nothing. > > Dumping stats doesn't work either. I've tailed /var/log/messages > > and can see messages for a reload when I ask it to with ndc or > > with kill -s SIGHUP pid. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > thanks > > chuckc > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > [root@dns1 /root]# which named > > /usr/sbin/named > > > > [root@dns1 /root]# cd /usr/sbin > > > > [root@dns1 sbin]# strings -a named | grep -i named > > named-xfer > > Usage: named [-d #] [-q] [-r] [-v] [-f] [-p port] [[-b|-c] configfile] > > named.run > > /etc/named.conf > > named > > named shutting down > > named restarting > > named-xfer "%s" exited with signal %d > > named-xfer for "%s" exited %d > > /var/run/named.pid > > /usr/sbin/named-xfer > > named_dump.db > > named.stats > > named.memstats > > named.run > > [DYNAMIC_UPDATE] id %u from %s %s (named pid %ld): > > @(#)named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr > > /src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 > > root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr/src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > > > [root@dns1 sbin]# > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. 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Hmmm. I don't know if it can be done. Sorry.... Actually there is a form on the web page that will unsubscribe you. If that doesn't work, let me know and I will pull some strings. You are going to join the announcements list, aren't you? http://www.mn-linux.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Jul 20 07:47:10 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19724] getting of this list In-Reply-To: <20000720121336.9895.qmail@hotmail.com>; from byoniq@hotmail.com on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 12:13:36PM +0000 References: <20000720121336.9895.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000720074710.A34152@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I'm really, _really_ hoping that you're not serious. HINT: look at the bottom of your message. Gabe On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 12:13:36PM +0000, john doe wrote: > hi > todays problem is slightly more complex than most of our fellow linux > user/admin ... the problem that causes my downfall is the simple fact that i > cannot get myself unsubscribed from your mailing list ... any info will be > gladly accepted > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Hey Guedo! It's all so clear to me now. I am the keeper of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. Get it?" - Ren Hoek in "In the Army" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Thu Jul 20 00:49:53 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19727] More fuel for the fire Message-ID: <200007200549.AAA02402@nitz.hep.umn.edu> http://www.bell-labs.com/user/tal/papers/ntdesktop/ntdesktop/ntdesktop.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Jul 20 09:32:48 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19719] Getting named to dump it's database In-Reply-To: <20000719213123.D32381@ringworld.org> Message-ID: allow-update has nothing to do with it...he wants to dump the cache and the stats. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > You are worried about allow-update {ip-list;}; > > * Adam Maloney [000719 16:34]: > > What's the directory/file set as in the options { }, or are you using the > > default? > > > > There may be something you haven't set in the named.conf and it's not > > dumping to where you'd expect it to (or it can't dump to the default for > > whatever reason). My memory's a bit foggy on this, I haven't had to do it > > in awhile. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 openview@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > I'm running BIND 8 on Redhat 6.2. > > > > > > When I ask it to dump the database with SIGINT or ndc I get nothing. > > > Dumping stats doesn't work either. I've tailed /var/log/messages > > > and can see messages for a reload when I ask it to with ndc or > > > with kill -s SIGHUP pid. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > thanks > > > chuckc > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > [root@dns1 /root]# which named > > > /usr/sbin/named > > > > > > [root@dns1 /root]# cd /usr/sbin > > > > > > [root@dns1 sbin]# strings -a named | grep -i named > > > named-xfer > > > Usage: named [-d #] [-q] [-r] [-v] [-f] [-p port] [[-b|-c] configfile] > > > named.run > > > /etc/named.conf > > > named > > > named shutting down > > > named restarting > > > named-xfer "%s" exited with signal %d > > > named-xfer for "%s" exited %d > > > /var/run/named.pid > > > /usr/sbin/named-xfer > > > named_dump.db > > > named.stats > > > named.memstats > > > named.run > > > [DYNAMIC_UPDATE] id %u from %s %s (named pid %ld): > > > @(#)named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr > > > /src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > > named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 > > > root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr/src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > > > > > [root@dns1 sbin]# > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > > Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From openview at mindspring.com Thu Jul 20 10:32:12 2000 From: openview at mindspring.com (openview@mindspring.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19719] Getting named to dump it's database Message-ID: Thanks for everyone's input. Here's the poop: On Redhat 6.2 the startup file for named (/etc/rc.d/init.d/named) invokes it with the "-u" option: daemon named -u named [root@dns1 init.d]# grep -i named /etc/passwd named:x:25:25:Named:/var/named:/bin/false [root@dns1 init.d]# grep -i 25 /etc/group named:x:25: The default permissions on /var/named were such that only root could write to it: [root@dns1 /]# ls -ld /var/named drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 20 04:42 /var/named The fix is to open up permissions on /var/named or remove the "-u" option in startup file so that the daemon runs as root. Tested both of these and either way named dumps cache and stats just fine using "ndc" or "kill -s". thanks chuckc tclug-list@mn-linux.org wrote: > allow-update has nothing to do with it...he wants to dump the cache andthe stats. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > You are worried about allow-update {ip-list;}; > > * Adam Maloney [000719 16:34]: > > What's the directory/file set as in the options { }, or are you using the > > default? > > > > There may be something you haven't set in the named.conf and it's not > > dumping to where you'd expect it to (or it can't dump to the default for > > whatever reason). My memory's a bit foggy on this, I haven't had to do it > > in awhile. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 openview@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > I'm running BIND 8 on Redhat 6.2. > > > > > > When I ask it to dump the database with SIGINT or ndc I get nothing. > > > Dumping stats doesn't work either. I've tailed /var/log/messages > > > and can see messages for a reload when I ask it to with ndc or > > > with kill -s SIGHUP pid. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > thanks > > > chuckc > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > [root@dns1 /root]# which named > > > /usr/sbin/named > > > > > > [root@dns1 /root]# cd /usr/sbin > > > > > > [root@dns1 sbin]# strings -a named | grep -i named > > > named-xfer > > > Usage: named [-d #] [-q] [-r] [-v] [-f] [-p port] [[-b|-c] configfile] > > > named.run > > > /etc/named.conf > > > named > > > named shutting down > > > named restarting > > > named-xfer "%s" exited with signal %d > > > named-xfer for "%s" exited %d > > > /var/run/named.pid > > > /usr/sbin/named-xfer > > > named_dump.db > > > named.stats > > > named.memstats > > > named.run > > > [DYNAMIC_UPDATE] id %u from %s %s (named pid %ld): > > > @(#)named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr > > > /src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > > named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Feb 28 10:17:53 EST 2000 > > > root@porky.devel.redhat.com:/usr/src/bs/BUILD/bind-8.2.2_P5/src/bin/named > > > > > > [root@dns1 sbin]# > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > > Fight collective stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pschuman at skypoint.com Thu Jul 20 11:47:45 2000 From: pschuman at skypoint.com (Peter Schuman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19730] Mandrake 7.1, Rawwrite, and Win98 - Incompatible? Message-ID: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com> I have a PII-400 from Gateway running Win98 (it's what it came with, and I'm having troubles getting things to back up onto the CD burner, so I'm not about to mess much with it). I wanted to try the Mandrake 7.0 or 7.1 in its own partition. I didn't get far. Rawwrite, RawwriteWin, and rawrite all crashed. The DOS program claims it can't figure out the number of sectors per track on a 3 1/2" floppy - that had been repeatedly reformatted to the standard specs. The Windows versions report a module called something like "load16.dll" can't load under one version of Mandrake (7.1) and reports a "disk write error" under the other version (7.0) -- without lighting the access light of the floppy drive. I thought maybe I forgot how rawwrite worked, so I tried the "read" tab. Then, Rawwrite told me I didn't have read permissions on my own CD-ROM drive. Rawwrite worked fine on the old machine downstairs when I went to install RedHat on it alone. Trying the versions of rawwrite on the RedHat distro disk gave me similar crashes. Somehow, my machine is not compatible with any of the versions of rawwrite. Any advice? With 8 GB of materials on the HD of the new machine, I'm not interested in experimenting with the machine, at least until I can get some program that will do a real backup (backing up 8 GB of files by copying to CD with a file manager is not attractive). -- Peter Schuman paschuman@uswest.net Vegetarians eat vegetables: Beware of humanitarians! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 20 12:10:15 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19730] Mandrake 7.1, Rawwrite, and Win98 - Incompatible? In-Reply-To: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com>; from Peter Schuman on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:47:45AM -0500 References: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com> Message-ID: <20000720121014.B17229@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:47:45AM -0500, Peter Schuman wrote: > Somehow, my machine is not compatible with any of the versions of rawwrite. > Any advice? Well, do you still have access any *nix machine? The dd command should probably do the trick. Something like this on Linux: dd if=/path/to/image/to/write of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024b Similar commands on other *nixes, though the output (of) device will probably be different. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Jul 20 13:43:34 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19730] Mandrake 7.1, Rawwrite, and Win98 - Incompatible? In-Reply-To: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com>; from pschuman@skypoint.com on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:47:45AM -0500 References: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com> Message-ID: <20000720134334.B16066@localhost> On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:47:45AM -0500, Peter Schuman wrote: > >Somehow, my machine is not compatible with any of the versions of rawwrite. >Any advice? > I have never used rawrite once on an install. Used dd last week to make some debian boot floppies from linux... WHy not just buy another HDD you can pick up a 6Gb for close to 100.00 -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Jul 20 13:44:24 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19730] Mandrake 7.1, Rawwrite, and Win98 - Incompatible? In-Reply-To: <20000720121014.B17229@pchelka.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 12:10:15PM -0500 References: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com> <20000720121014.B17229@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000720134424.C16066@localhost> On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 12:10:15PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:47:45AM -0500, Peter Schuman wrote: > >> Somehow, my machine is not compatible with any of the versions of rawwrite. >> Any advice? > >Well, do you still have access any *nix machine? The dd command >should probably do the trick. Something like this on Linux: > dd if=/path/to/image/to/write of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024b or dd if=/path/to/image/to/write of=/dev/fd0 bs=1k -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 20 16:53:59 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19734] GPS under Linux? Message-ID: Hey, GPS always seemed really cool to me. I've recently stumbled upon a deal for a full GPS receiver+software for $60 (http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_comp_gps.html). Unfortunetly it's Windows software. I was wondering if anyone had any pointers/links about using GPS receivers with Linux, along with mapping software. TIA, -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Jul 20 17:09:25 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19734] GPS under Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The only thing I've found is http://www.mayko.com/mapp/ which looks promising, but is inexplicably unavailable for download. If you find out more, please post here. Andy > Hey, > > GPS always seemed really cool to me. I've recently stumbled upon a deal > for a full GPS receiver+software for $60 > (http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_comp_gps.html). Unfortunetly it's > Windows software. I was wondering if anyone had any pointers/links about > using GPS receivers with Linux, along with mapping software. > > TIA, > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 20 22:26:22 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19730] Mandrake 7.1, Rawwrite, and Win98 - Incompatible? References: <39772D31.B92352EE@skypoint.com> Message-ID: <3977C2DE.B1A397F1@tc.umn.edu> Floppies suck. Find alternatives whenever possible. I would imagine the CD is bootable, you could try going into your BIOS and setting your system to boot off the CD first. If that doesn't work, try to boot your system with a DOS floppy with CD-ROM drivers. I know that many versions of RedHat have a batch file on the disc that bootstraps using loadlin, Mandrake should have something like that as well. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Puritanism: The haunting / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fear that someone, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) somewhere may be happy. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Jul 21 11:47:49 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19737] hello? Message-ID: list seemed kidna dead today.. figured i'd start something off.. citrix metaframe to provide windows apps to linux networks.. good? bad? anyone besides chewie used it before? :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tomc at kendeco.com Fri Jul 21 11:59:47 2000 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19737] hello? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > list seemed kidna dead today.. figured i'd start something off.. > > citrix metaframe to provide windows apps to linux > networks.. good? bad? anyone besides chewie used it before? :) Works. Performance is decent. Expensive since you have to buy a reasonably big NT server & Metaframe. We have a dual PIII 450 with 256MB of RAM running about 10-15 clients. I'm sure the thing is bored most of the time... -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 System Administrator E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com --> Now with new and improved extension number 207!!! <-- St Cloud Area Linux Users Group: http://www.scalug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jul 21 12:16:56 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19737] hello? References: Message-ID: <39788588.9370FECD@structural-wood.com> Tom Cross wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > list seemed kidna dead today.. figured i'd start something off.. > > > > citrix metaframe to provide windows apps to linux > > networks.. good? bad? anyone besides chewie used it before? :) > > Works. Performance is decent. Expensive since you have to buy a > reasonably big NT server & Metaframe. We have a dual PIII 450 with 256MB > of RAM running about 10-15 clients. I'm sure the thing is bored most of > the time... > > -- > Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 > System Administrator E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com > Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com > --> Now with new and improved extension number 207!!! <-- > St Cloud Area Linux Users Group: http://www.scalug.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org What is your network like? Are you running Unix systems with people at the console, or X-Terminals, or ???. I'm curious because I am running a bunch of X-Terminals running off a couple of Linux and Solaris boxes, and there are some Windows apps that we could use, but I am unwilling to run Windows all over the place. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Fri Jul 21 12:35:20 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19737] hello? References: <39788588.9370FECD@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <397889D8.AFB45E52@maddog.mn-linux.org> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > What is your network like? Are you running Unix systems with people at > the console, or X-Terminals, or ???. > > I'm curious because I am running a bunch of X-Terminals running off a couple > of Linux and Solaris boxes, and there are some Windows apps that we could > use, but I am unwilling to run Windows all over the place. > When I was at Honeywell, everyone that was on a UNIX workstations used it so they could use MS Office. The performance was great, the cost wasn't. I even tried it over a 28.8 and it was still pretty good. Plus they have the client for just about any platform. And I think they even have a server app for UNIX now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Fri Jul 21 12:37:02 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19741] FreePad Message-ID: <39788A3E.2A563E9B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Now I know what I want for Christmas! http://www.screenmedia.no/info.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Jul 21 14:07:12 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad In-Reply-To: <39788A3E.2A563E9B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Ya, but is there a linux distrabution for it, or is it win ce. I don't know about win ce, the first thing my cleo did when I got it was lock up. Among all of my newtons over the last few years I have locked up only once, and that was because the flash card the program was on got knocked out! On an interesting note my neighbor is putting linux on one of those stationary internet appliences called an iopener. I would like to se a linux os for my ce machine. It would make it far more useful! Colin Kilbane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Jul 21 14:17:01 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19743] Debian KDE 2 beta Binary Message-ID: <3978A1AC.EA746169@innominatus.com> Anyone have an apt-get'able source for KDE 2 binaries i can throw in my sources.list. I was using one from tdyc.com but it appears to have changed or become broken. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Jul 21 14:16:23 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 02:07:12PM -0500 References: <39788A3E.2A563E9B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000721141623.A35759@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I've got NetBSD on my IBM workpad z50 and it works great. They even have an Xserver for it (if you've got a large enough flashcard or a microdrive or something). You may want to see if they support your CE device. Gabe On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 02:07:12PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Ya, but is there a linux distrabution for it, or is it win ce. I > don't know about win ce, the first thing my cleo did when I got it was > lock up. Among all of my newtons over the last few years I have locked up > only once, and that was because the flash card the program was on got > knocked out! On an interesting note my neighbor is putting linux on one > of those stationary internet appliences called an iopener. I would like > to se a linux os for my ce machine. It would make it far more useful! > > Colin Kilbane > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Happy Happy Happy! Joy Joy Joy!!" - Stimpson J. Cat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 21 15:54:45 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad In-Reply-To: from Colin Kilbane at "Jul 21, 2000 02:07:12 pm" Message-ID: Colin Kilbane said: > Ya, but is there a linux distrabution for it, or is it win ce. Given that the site said "Linux" all over it, I doubt that it's a WinCE device... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jul 21 17:25:12 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19746] More on the FreePad Message-ID: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-07-21-005-20-PS-EM -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Fri Jul 21 17:25:39 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19747] IBM WorkPad Z50 and NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20000721141623.A35759@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > I've got NetBSD on my IBM workpad z50 and it works great. I have an IBM Workpad Z50 and I'd *love* to get NetBSD on it. However, the instructions that I found were kind of non-intuitive :) Is there anyplace where there's some really complete documentation for getting NetBSD running on one, or could you help me through the setup? Thanks, Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Jul 21 18:21:45 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad References: <39788A3E.2A563E9B@maddog.mn-linux.org> <20000721141623.A35759@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3978DB08.45CE96D2@black-hole.com> If you read the ad, it says right in the name it's a Linux based unit On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 02:07:12PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > Ya, but is there a linux distrabution for it, or is it win ce. I > > don't know about win ce, the first thing my cleo did when I got it was > > lock up. Among all of my newtons over the last few years I have locked up > > only once, and that was because the flash card the program was on got > > knocked out! On an interesting note my neighbor is putting linux on one > > of those stationary internet appliences called an iopener. I would like > > to se a linux os for my ce machine. It would make it far more useful! > > > > Colin Kilbane > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Happy Happy Happy! Joy Joy Joy!!" > - Stimpson J. Cat > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Fri Jul 21 19:13:26 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad Message-ID: <200007220013.e6M0DW200575@sprite.real-time.com> what is freepad anyways? a linux-based laptop? > > > If you read the ad, it says right in the name it's a Linux based unit > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 02:07:12PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > > > Ya, but is there a linux distrabution for it, or is it win ce. I > > > don't know about win ce, the first thing my cleo did when I got it was > > > lock up. Among all of my newtons over the last few years I have locked up > > > only once, and that was because the flash card the program was on got > > > knocked out! On an interesting note my neighbor is putting linux on one > > > of those stationary internet appliences called an iopener. I would like > > > to se a linux os for my ce machine. It would make it far more useful! > > > > > > Colin Kilbane > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- > > Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "Happy Happy Happy! Joy Joy Joy!!" > > - Stimpson J. Cat > > ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cory at real-time.com Fri Jul 21 19:25:03 2000 From: cory at real-time.com (cory@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. Message-ID: <3978E9DF.3BEC8A81@real-time.com> I've been using Netscape as my POP mail client at home and at work for some time now. However I have been wanting a client that can filter in coming mail into folders and trash based on email source and still have support for MIME types and a nice GUI interface so I can show it off at work. I've already looked at gtkmail and xfmail and neither are appropriate. Does any one have any suggestions which of the hundred or so email clients out there might fulfill my needs? Xfmail looks like it has the features I want, but development on it has stopped, and the latest versions of it don't seem to work. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jul 21 19:52:00 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. References: <3978E9DF.3BEC8A81@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001301bff377$0b2b2d20$0100a8c0@cascade> Does your ISP give you a shell account? If so, chances are you can use IMAP and then procmail to filter your mail. I have been doing this for a couple of years. If they don't support that, you can use fetchmail to download your mail and then procmail to sort it (I haven't tried this, so I am not sure of the specifics). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. > I've been using Netscape as my POP mail client at home and at work > for some time now. However I have been wanting a client that can filter > in coming mail into folders and trash based on email source and still > have support for MIME types and a nice GUI interface so I can show it > off at work. > > I've already looked at gtkmail and xfmail and neither are > appropriate. > > Does any one have any suggestions which of the hundred or so email > clients out there might fulfill my needs? Xfmail looks like it has the > features I want, but development on it has stopped, and the latest > versions of it don't seem to work. > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Fri Jul 21 20:06:27 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad References: <200007220013.e6M0DcY05501@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3978F393.57C83A6B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Kozmik Krash wrote: > > what is freepad anyways? a linux-based laptop? > > > No. It's much more than that... http://www.screenmedia.no/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Jul 21 20:27:01 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19753] Remove ehh@sgi.com from the list, please Message-ID: <005501bff37b$ef736f70$0100a8c0@cascade> Can we remove 'ehh@sgi.com' from the list? Every time I send a post, I get a message from SGI saying he is no longer with the company - except I am sending the post to the list - not to his company. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ---- The attached message was sent to 'Edward Hayes-Hall' at Silicon Graphics who left the company around 14-JUL-00. We are returning it to you UNDELIVERED. The message was probably addressed to 'ehh@sgi.com'. If the subject of this message is related to SGI business, please use one of the SGI contact addresses listed below (if any) or as a last resort, email helpdesk@corp.sgi.com or call +1 650-960-1980 to help determine the correct person to receive it. You may also try contacting their manager: Bill Cullen, bjc@sgi.com We do not know of any external contact information for this person. Sincerely, helpdesk@corp.sgi.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Jul 21 20:39:42 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. In-Reply-To: <3978E9DF.3BEC8A81@real-time.com> Message-ID: How 'bout procmail in combination with something else? Procmail can do your sorting for you, then you just need to find a mail client that supports MIME and looks pretty. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 cory@real-time.com wrote: > I've been using Netscape as my POP mail client at home and at work > for some time now. However I have been wanting a client that can filter > in coming mail into folders and trash based on email source and still > have support for MIME types and a nice GUI interface so I can show it > off at work. > > I've already looked at gtkmail and xfmail and neither are > appropriate. > > Does any one have any suggestions which of the hundred or so email > clients out there might fulfill my needs? Xfmail looks like it has the > features I want, but development on it has stopped, and the latest > versions of it don't seem to work. > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Fri Jul 21 21:16:00 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 08:39:42PM -0500 References: <3978E9DF.3BEC8A81@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000721211600.A26674@localhost> On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 08:39:42PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >How 'bout procmail in combination with something else? Procmail can do >your sorting for you, then you just need to find a mail client that >supports MIME and looks pretty. fetchmail --mda "/path/to/procmail -d " works nicely :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 00:26:21 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19756] Emacs HTML mode Message-ID: Hi, I'm using the mightly Emacs to write some HTML code. Problem is, I'm a horrible writer, so I always use the emdash in my writing to make a point -- like this. The problem is, whenever I type "--", Emacs somehow gets in its head that I'm staring an HTML comment and adds a closing comment (fittingly enough, I can't get it to do this at the moment, but I swear it does happen!). Anyone else have problems with this? Work arounds? (Besides improving my writing style, that is :b) Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 02:36:46 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTML mode) References: Message-ID: <39794F0E.1EEEFC90@tc.umn.edu> For some reason, this got me going.. But before I get too far, I think RedHat may have screwed up in their login scripts. On my RH 6.2 system, I went and commented out three lines in /etc/bashrc: if [ "x`tput kbs`" != "x" ]; then # We can't do this with "dumb" terminal stty erase `tput kbs` fi It just seems to screw things up (like make vi and other programs produce "^?" when you hit backspace..) Anyway.. Keybindings are such a mess. Everything has it's own, and they all seem to conflict with each other somehow. vi can be terrible with nonstandard keyboard layouts (like Dvorak), especially if you are running a version that doesn't understand the concept of arrow keys. Doing shift-backspace in Emacs causes bad things to happen. I'm really getting tired of Pico, and I'm sure there's a decent alternative that I just haven't found. I want this: An editor that can understand all of my nice keys that I used to use when I ran DOS -- arrows, delete, insert, home, and end should all work in a nice and/or easily re-configurable manner (personally, I prefer home and end to go to the beginning and end of a line on the screen, rather than the beginning and end of a document, or the beginning and end of a line that wraps around the screen). Selecting text using shift-arrow was nice. Fortunately, Linux seems to understand shift-insert for paste (though it locks up Netscape..). I also (need)/(really, really want) to have colorized text. I know this is a feature on many editors, but it's never easy to find. I'd rather have it default to displaying in color if the terminal can handle it. (I also think that all Linux distributions should default to using `ls --color=auto -F' but I must just be weird..) Also, I want the editor to be a bit smarter about line wrapping. Files that end in .c, .html, and other well-known source file formats should automatically disable line wrapping. After using Linux for a while, I think the PC DOS 7.0 edit command was probably one of the best editors I've seen. I'm not sure if it had color highlighting, but it had a nice command line interface (unfortunately, I never figured it out until far too late). To do a global search-and-replace in your document, hit [ESC] (to get to the command line), then type `s/original/replacement/g'. Anyone who has used sed or perl knows this syntax. It certainly wasn't the perfect editor (I seem to recall being forced to page through large amounts of documentation just to figure out how to save anything), but something to consider as a model. It's after 2:30, and I shouldn't be awake. I'm done now.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you think nobody cares / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ about you, try missing a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) couple of payments. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 10:53:56 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem Message-ID: I'm stumped: From mike at getbent.net Sat Jul 22 11:08:09 2000 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo> On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, you wrote: can you ping the 675? The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 ip addres on eth0. If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet you won't be able to telnet to it. You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled until you set an exec password. set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need to reinstall it. The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be warned if you screw this up... Well you know. BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and I'll send it to you. ---------- Hey there, is it possible to add this stuff to the next X-ray or tools CD. Cisco 675 CBOS 2.2 update and directions Upgrading your Cisco 675 External Modem to the latest software release involves the following four processes: 1.Downloading the latest Cisco 675 External Modem operating system (version 2.2) to your hard drive. 2.Downloading the Commander software (version 1.2) to your hard drive. 3.Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating system to the new version 2.2 that you will have downloaded to your hard drive. 4.Installing the Commander software (version 1.2). You may want to print these instructions at this point so that you can easily refer to them as you are going through the Cisco 675 External Modem download processes. If you do not have a printer, you may save these instructions as a Word file and then open them on your desktop so that you can follow along as you complete the processes. Process 1 - Downloading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system (version 2.2) to your hard drive: Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended for convenience). Select the hyperlink named "675 2.2 CBOS Code" and save it to your new folder located on your hard drive. This file is Winzip compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free here or if you need Winzip you can download a trial copy here. Process 2 - Downloading Commander v1.2 to your hard drive: Commander v1.2 software is required and will offer you the following: The ability to reset passwords that better protect the security of your Cisco 675 External Modem. Statistical output that indicates performance on your Cisco 675 External Modem. Management information on your Cisco 675 External Modem. In order to download the Commander v1.2 software, please complete the following: Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended for convenience). Select the hyperlink named "675 Commander 1.2 for Windows® " and save it to your new folder located on your hard drive. This file is Winzip compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free here or if you need Winzip you can download a trial copy here. Process 3 - Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating system to version 2.2: Ensure that your PC, Ethernet Card and Cisco 675 External Modem are connected, configured and operational. This should be apparent if you're currently using MegaBit Services. Ensure that the serial cable is installed between the PCs COM Port (DB-9) and the Cisco 675s MGMT Port (RJ-45). If you are unsure, please consult your MegaBit Services User Guide. The serial cable facilitates upgrading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system. Note to which PC COM Port that the serial cable is installed. You will need this information for the next step. Configure HyperTerminal The following step assumes that you have not created a session icon for HyperTerminal and the Cisco 675 External Modem. Navigate to the HyperTerminal application. If you are a Windows® 98 user, you may have to install HyperTerminal from your Windows® 98 compact disc. If Hyperterminal is not working properly, for example, if you are receiving an "illegal operation" message, please go to the following website and upgrade your existing Hyperterminal application: http://www.hilgraeve.com/ Select and name an icon for the Cisco 675 External Modem. In the "Connect using" box select the appropriate COM Port that the serial cable is installed. In the "Properties" window, ensure these port settings: Bits per second: 38400 Data bits: 8 Parity: None Stop bits: 1 Flow control: None Click OK and press [Enter]. A HyperTerminal Session window appears with a welcome message and a password prompt. Hello! CBOS v2.1 User Access Verification Password: If you don't see this information, press [ENTER] a few times. If you still don't see the welcome message, verify connections and power to your modem. If you just see "cbos>", that is OK. You don't need a password to configure the modem. At the password prompt press [ENTER]. Updating the Modem Operating System The following step requires your modem to be in the "enable" mode. This mode allows changes in configuration. At the cbos> prompt, type: enable and press [ENTER]. At the password prompt press [ENTER]. The enable mode ships default from Cisco System without an enable mode password. If you have previously programmed an enable mode password, enter that password now. The following should be displayed: cbos>enable Password: cbos# The pound sign indicates that you are in the enable mode. Before continuing with the following steps, please read the next few lines of directions up to the WARNING message below. At the cbos# prompt, type: set download code then press [ENTER]. The following should be displayed: cbos#set download code Downloading CCCCC As the Cs are appearing, continue onto the next step. On the HyperTerminal toolbar, select Transfer. Select Send File. An additional Window pops up entitled "Send File". Select Browse. You will be selecting the file that you downloaded into a new folder. Select your hard drive and locate the folder and file that you created earlier. Select the file nsrouter.c675.2.2.0.000.ima. In the Send File Window, Protocol field, ensure that Xmodem is selected. In the Send File Window, select the Send button. WARNING! It is extremely important that power is not interrupted to your equipment! After transfer is complete (approximately 6 minutes), the new Cisco software self extracts. You should allow the automatic process to occur and do not use your computer. At the password prompt, press [ENTER] At the cbos> prompt, type: show version The following should be displayed: Cisco Broadband Operating System CBOSTM 675 Software (C675-I-M), Version v2.2 Copyright @ 1986-1999 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Aug 24 1999 18:31:28 NVRAM image at 0x1032bfa0 Your Cisco 675 External Modem is now upgraded. > I'm stumped: > >From Windows NT: > > I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used telnet,... > followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), > > cbos>en > Password: [hit enter] > cbos#set nvram erase > [warns that you have to write to make it effective] > cbos#write > cbos#rboot > [and it hangs...] > > Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! > > I'm stumped. What's next? > > gs > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 11:11:21 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTMLmode) In-Reply-To: <39794F0E.1EEEFC90@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: [snip] > I want this: An editor that can understand all of my nice keys that I > used to use when I ran DOS -- arrows, delete, insert, home, and end > should all work in a nice and/or easily re-configurable manner > (personally, I prefer home and end to go to the beginning and end of a > line on the screen, rather than the beginning and end of a document, or > the beginning and end of a line that wraps around the screen). > Selecting text using shift-arrow was nice. Fortunately, Linux seems to > understand shift-insert for paste (though it locks up Netscape..). Vim has a nice interface for this which I just learned about: hit "v" to enter "visual mode" then move your selection around with the arrow or movement keys. It selects blocks of text. "V" does whole lines and "^V" does text veritcally! > I also (need)/(really, really want) to have colorized text. I know this > is a feature on many editors, but it's never easy to find. Does anyone know how to turn this on in plain Emacs? I know it's possible, but I don't know how! Again, Vim does pretty nice colorized text, but it only seems to work well in the console and in rxvt -- everything else looks awful, and since at work I can't use either of those, I can't use syntax coloring. I also wish Vim was smarter about indents, like Emacs. I'd rather > have it default to displaying in color if the terminal can handle it. > (I also think that all Linux distributions should default to using `ls > --color=auto -F' but I must just be weird..) Also, I want the editor to Slackware does :) > be a bit smarter about line wrapping. Files that end in .c, .html, and > other well-known source file formats should automatically disable line > wrapping. vi never wraps lines, which is annoying for writing long things (which is why I'm writing in Emacs right now). Emacs has good support for most file formats, thankfully. Though I am not getting tab support in HTML mode like in C mode. Does this feature exist, or is all Emacs-HTML unindented? > After using Linux for a while, I think the PC DOS 7.0 edit command was > probably one of the best editors I've seen. I'm not sure if it had > color highlighting, but it had a nice command line interface > (unfortunately, I never figured it out until far too late). To do a > global search-and-replace in your document, hit [ESC] (to get to the > command line), then type `s/original/replacement/g'. Anyone who has > used sed or perl knows this syntax. You mean, like vi? :s/original/replacement/g It certainly wasn't the perfect > editor (I seem to recall being forced to page through large amounts of > documentation just to figure out how to save anything), but something to > consider as a model. I've heard that Nedit is a really nice editor, but I've never used it. You might want to try that. Still trying to find the perfect editor, Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sat Jul 22 11:52:18 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem In-Reply-To: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500 References: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo> Message-ID: <20000722115218.A28943@localhost> Not to insult your intelligence, but did you hit enter a few times after the reboot? that should cause the login prompt to pop up. On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: >On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, you wrote: > >can you ping the 675? The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 ip addres >on eth0. If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet you won't be >able to telnet to it. > >You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... >I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled >until you set an exec password. > >set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... > > > > >If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need to reinstall it. > >The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be warned if you screw >this up... Well you know. > >BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and I'll send it to you. > >---------- >Hey there, is it possible to add this stuff to the next X-ray or tools CD. > >Cisco 675 CBOS 2.2 update and directions > > > Upgrading your Cisco 675 External Modem to the latest software release >involves > the following four processes: > > 1.Downloading the latest Cisco 675 External Modem operating system > (version 2.2) to your hard drive. > 2.Downloading the Commander software (version 1.2) to your hard drive. > 3.Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating system to > the new version 2.2 that you will have downloaded to your hard drive. > 4.Installing the Commander software (version 1.2). > > > > You may want to print these instructions at this point so that you can > easily refer to them as you are going through the Cisco 675 External > Modem download processes. If you do not have a printer, you may > save these instructions as a Word file and then open them on your > desktop so that you can follow along as you complete the processes. > > > > Process 1 - Downloading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system > (version 2.2) to your hard drive: > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended >for > convenience). > Select the hyperlink named "675 2.2 CBOS Code" and save it to your new > folder located on your hard drive. This file is Winzip compressed. Use > Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If you need Aladdin > Expander you can download it free here or if you need Winzip you can > download a trial copy here. > > Process 2 - Downloading Commander v1.2 to your hard drive: > > Commander v1.2 software is required and will offer you the following: > > The ability to reset passwords that better protect the security of your >Cisco > 675 External Modem. > Statistical output that indicates performance on your Cisco 675 External > Modem. > Management information on your Cisco 675 External Modem. > > In order to download the Commander v1.2 software, please complete the > following: > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended >for > convenience). > Select the hyperlink named "675 Commander 1.2 for Windows? " and > save it to your new folder located on your hard drive. This file is >Winzip > compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If > you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free here or if you need > Winzip you can download a trial copy here. > > Process 3 - Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating > system to version 2.2: > > Ensure that your PC, Ethernet Card and Cisco 675 External Modem are > connected, configured and operational. This should be apparent if you're > currently using MegaBit Services. > Ensure that the serial cable is installed between the PCs COM Port > (DB-9) and the Cisco 675s MGMT Port (RJ-45). If you are unsure, > please consult your MegaBit Services User Guide. The serial cable > facilitates upgrading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system. > Note to which PC COM Port that the serial cable is installed. You will >need > this information for the next step. > > Configure HyperTerminal > > The following step assumes that you have not created a session icon for > HyperTerminal and the Cisco 675 External Modem. > > Navigate to the HyperTerminal application. > > If you are a Windows? 98 user, you may have to install HyperTerminal from >your > Windows? 98 compact disc. If Hyperterminal is not working properly, for > example, if you are receiving an "illegal operation" message, please go to >the > following website and upgrade your existing Hyperterminal application: > http://www.hilgraeve.com/ > > Select and name an icon for the Cisco 675 External Modem. > In the "Connect using" box select the appropriate COM Port that the >serial > cable is installed. > In the "Properties" window, ensure these port settings: > > Bits per second: 38400 > Data bits: 8 > Parity: None > Stop bits: 1 > Flow control: None > > Click OK and press [Enter]. > > A HyperTerminal Session window appears with a welcome message and > a password prompt. > > Hello! > > CBOS v2.1 > > User Access Verification > > Password: > > > If you don't see this information, press [ENTER] a few times. > If you still don't see the welcome message, verify connections and power > to your modem. > If you just see "cbos>", that is OK. > You don't need a password to configure the modem. > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > Updating the Modem Operating System > > The following step requires your modem to be in the "enable" mode. This mode > allows changes in configuration. > > At the cbos> prompt, type: enable and press [ENTER]. > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > The enable mode ships default from Cisco System without an enable mode > password. If you have previously programmed an enable mode password, > enter that password now. > > The following should be displayed: > > cbos>enable > > Password: > > cbos# > > > The pound sign indicates that you are in the enable mode. > > Before continuing with the following steps, please read the next few lines >of > directions up to the WARNING message below. > > At the cbos# prompt, type: set download code then press [ENTER]. > The following should be displayed: > > cbos#set download code > > Downloading > > CCCCC > > > As the Cs are appearing, continue onto the next step. > On the HyperTerminal toolbar, select Transfer. Select Send File. > An additional Window pops up entitled "Send File". Select Browse. > You will be selecting the file that you downloaded into a new folder. > Select your hard drive and locate the folder and file that you created >earlier. > Select the file nsrouter.c675.2.2.0.000.ima. > In the Send File Window, Protocol field, ensure that Xmodem is >selected. > In the Send File Window, select the Send button. > > WARNING! It is extremely important that power is not interrupted to your > equipment! > > After transfer is complete (approximately 6 minutes), the new Cisco > software self extracts. You should allow the automatic process to occur > and do not use your computer. > At the password prompt, press [ENTER] > At the cbos> prompt, type: show version > The following should be displayed: > > Cisco Broadband Operating > System > > CBOSTM 675 Software > (C675-I-M), Version v2.2 > > Copyright @ 1986-1999 by > cisco Systems, Inc. > > Compiled Aug 24 1999 > 18:31:28 > > NVRAM image at 0x1032bfa0 > > > Your Cisco 675 External Modem is now upgraded. > >> I'm stumped: >> >From Windows NT: >> >> I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used telnet,... >> followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), >> >> cbos>en >> Password: [hit enter] >> cbos#set nvram erase >> [warns that you have to write to make it effective] >> cbos#write >> cbos#rboot >> [and it hangs...] >> >> Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! >> >> I'm stumped. What's next? >> >> gs >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 12:17:02 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem Message-ID: Thanks, Mike. I think I need to try the pingy-thingy, and also see what happens with the Linux approach. It feels (though this is a newbie talking) that I'm not understanding the serial setup on windows. Ben: don't worry about insulting me--at this point it can't happen! >Not to insult your intelligence, but did you hit enter a few times after the reboot? that should cause the login prompt to pop up. Yes --just about used a hammer several times around. :-( When I DID have the "cbos>" prompt it came right up after one tap of the ENTER key. No that I think of it, the only reason I got that far was when I put 10.0.0.1 into the gateway in TCP/IP configuration. gs ps -- Then the really big fishy just swam away! gs ********************** >can you ping the 675? (red faced) I ain't got no pinger on my windows side.... do I? >The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 ip address on eth0. >If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet you won't be able to telnet to it. I think I'm headed over to Linux...... >You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... That's what I thought. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm not config/connecting the serial (com1) management line right. Hardware is connected right, but not the software... >I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled until you set an exec password. I had set a password, used it in the process of logging to thw cbos prompt, then after the "en" [enabled] I was surprised that there was no password needed. >set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... Yup, I've done that almost 20 times; .... [at least I think I did!] >If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need to reinstall it. Uhg! >The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be warned if you screw this up... Well you know. Yes, I've "heard from the parrot" many times before. >BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and I'll send it to you. Thanks; it had--and maybe still has-- 2.2 on it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 22 12:05:44 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19763] freaky messages frim SGI Message-ID: <200007221706.e6MH64204804@sprite.real-time.com> i have received freaky mesages from silicon graphics because the person who wrote one of the re:freepad was a worker there.they're confusing me and spaming me!! ;)) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Jul 22 12:23:43 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19741] FreePad In-Reply-To: <3978F393.57C83A6B@maddog.mn-linux.org> from Clay Fandre at "Jul 21, 2000 08:06:27 pm" Message-ID: Clay Fandre said: > Kozmik Krash wrote: > > what is freepad anyways? a linux-based laptop? > > No. It's much more than that... Actually, I'd argue that it's much _less_ than a laptop. Less bulky (was it 2.6 lbs?), less hardware (no keyboard, just a touchscreen), and, I suspect, less capability. It's essentially a wireless network/phone appliance. It's neat, but I'm not interested in getting one until I find out how you talk to it - the site hints that it can be hooked up to a LAN, which implies that you don't have to rent airtime from their proprietary service, but no details are given about what sort of hardware you have to add to your LAN to communicate with it. (Which is hardly a surprise, given that there are no details about much of anything else either. The site looks like it's describing a concept which is in the early stages of development, yet it also claims a release date of "medio 2000".) Even with the details, I don't know that it'll have much to offer the geekier side of the world other than a low price. Functionally, I'd rather have a laptop with a wireless NIC and a cordless phone. Small and lightweight is nice, but when you're dealing with a dedicated wireless network device (i.e., something that will only be used with a relatively small and well-defined area), it's not of major importance. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 12:53:48 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem Message-ID: JFYI: The pingy-thingy goes c:\>ping 10.0.0.1 Pinging 10.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 192.168.30.21: Destination net unreachable. Request timed out. Request timed out. Request timed out. c:\> What does that "Reply from 192.168.30.21" mean? That's not the assigned external IP, nor either of the DNS's, nor... is it anywhere in a file on c:\ ... so (big guess on my part here) does that mean it's on the eth-card or in the modem? Where else do I look to change this? (The dhcp(?) ip >from the dial-up connection I'm on????) gs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 13:24:30 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTMLmode) In-Reply-To: ; from Luke Francl on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:11:21AM -0500 References: <39794F0E.1EEEFC90@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000722132429.C28657@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:11:21AM -0500, Luke Francl wrote: > Again, Vim does pretty nice colorized text, but it only seems to work well > in the console and in rxvt -- everything else looks awful, and since at > work I can't use either of those, I can't use syntax coloring. Why can't you use rxvt at work? Its pretty easy to compile and put in a bin directory under your home directory. That's what I did because I don't like Sun's dtterms and winterms, and their xterms don't support color. Or you could use gvim - it uses its own window. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 14:02:09 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem References: Message-ID: <3979EFB1.E9E74989@tc.umn.edu> George Swan wrote: > > JFYI: The pingy-thingy goes > > c:\>ping 10.0.0.1 > > Pinging 10.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data: > > Reply from 192.168.30.21: Destination net unreachable. > Request timed out. > Request timed out. > Request timed out. > c:\> > > What does that "Reply from 192.168.30.21" mean? That's not the assigned > external IP, nor either of the DNS's, nor... is it anywhere in a file on > c:\ ... so (big guess on my part here) does that mean it's on the eth-card > or in the modem? Where else do I look to change this? (The dhcp(?) ip > >from the dial-up connection I'm on????) 192.168.30.21 is probably your gateway, or a host a few hops upstream. Since (I assume) your ethernet card is not configured with a 10.x.y.z address, you cannot ping the router directly. You have to (temporarily) change your IP address to be 10.0.0.2/255.0.0.0 or something similar in order to talk to the router. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ !seineew era sreenigne / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tfosorciM \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 14:45:16 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTMLmode) In-Reply-To: ; from fran0382@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:11:21AM -0500 References: <39794F0E.1EEEFC90@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000722144516.A39668@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Again, Vim does pretty nice colorized text, but it only seems to work well > in the console and in rxvt -- everything else looks awful, and since at > work I can't use either of those, I can't use syntax coloring. I've messed with this a lot, and it depends on your terminal emulation. At work I have an RS/6000 on my desk and I can't get vim's colors to work in anything but AIX's crappy aixterm. If you can't get syntax highlighting to work in your term, try messing with your TERM variable and if that fails, terminfo hacking is the last resort. > > I also wish Vim was smarter about indents, like Emacs. add "set cindent" to your .vimrc. It's not just C indenting as the name implies. It seems to work well in perl, shell, java and such as well. > vi never wraps lines, which is annoying for writing long things (which is > why I'm writing in Emacs right now). Emacs has good support for most file > formats, thankfully. Though I am not getting tab support in HTML mode like > in C mode. Does this feature exist, or is all Emacs-HTML unindented? Ah, you haven't discovered vim's nifty "gq" sequence. Read up on it a bit. For example, I'm in vim and type an entire paragraph, yet vim thinks it a single line. I go to the beginning of the line and hit gqG And it breaks my single line into multiple lines and left justifies everything. Very nice... Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Leave everything to me!!" - Powdered Toast Man in "Powdered Toast Man" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 14:44:32 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: EmacsHTMLmode) In-Reply-To: <20000722132429.C28657@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:11:21AM -0500, Luke Francl wrote: > > Again, Vim does pretty nice colorized text, but it only seems to work well > > in the console and in rxvt -- everything else looks awful, and since at > > work I can't use either of those, I can't use syntax coloring. > > Why can't you use rxvt at work? Its pretty easy to compile and put > in a bin directory under your home directory. That's what I did > because I don't like Sun's dtterms and winterms, and their xterms > don't support color. Or you could use gvim - it uses its own > window. I have to use Windows NT. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 14:49:11 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: EmacsHTMLmode) In-Reply-To: <20000722144516.A39668@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > I've messed with this a lot, and it depends on your terminal emulation. At > work I have an RS/6000 on my desk and I can't get vim's colors to work in > anything but AIX's crappy aixterm. If you can't get syntax highlighting to > work in your term, try messing with your TERM variable and if that fails, > terminfo hacking is the last resort. I have to use PuTTY on windows. Maybe if I change it to VT102? > > > I also wish Vim was smarter about indents, like Emacs. > > add "set cindent" to your .vimrc. It's not just C indenting as the > name implies. It seems to work well in perl, shell, java and such as > well. Ah, but here's the kicker -- can i tab through the file like in Emacs and have the editor fix my indents on the fly? > Ah, you haven't discovered vim's nifty "gq" sequence. Read up on it a > bit. For example, I'm in vim and type an entire paragraph, yet vim > thinks it a single line. I go to the beginning of the line and hit > > gqG > > And it breaks my single line into multiple lines and left justifies > everything. Very nice... Ah, so intuitive! It sounds like Pico's "justify" command, which I love, and 'pine' for in Emacs. heh. heh. Of course, I'm sure Emacs can do it, but the key stroke is probably something like M-X-G make-this-paragraph-nice-and-pretty Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 22 15:09:28 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: EmacsHTMLmode) Message-ID: <200007222009.e6MK9a205546@sprite.real-time.com> im sorry guys but i have one word to say: PICO for a quick fix in a file and corel for the colors (or staroffice or maybe some other thingy like it that runs on X and sucks my memory) X) > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > > > I've messed with this a lot, and it depends on your terminal emulation. At > > work I have an RS/6000 on my desk and I can't get vim's colors to work in > > anything but AIX's crappy aixterm. If you can't get syntax highlighting to > > work in your term, try messing with your TERM variable and if that fails, > > terminfo hacking is the last resort. > > I have to use PuTTY on windows. Maybe if I change it to VT102? > > > > > > I also wish Vim was smarter about indents, like Emacs. > > > > add "set cindent" to your .vimrc. It's not just C indenting as the > > name implies. It seems to work well in perl, shell, java and such as > > well. > > Ah, but here's the kicker -- can i tab through the file like in Emacs and > have the editor fix my indents on the fly? > > > Ah, you haven't discovered vim's nifty "gq" sequence. Read up on it a > > bit. For example, I'm in vim and type an entire paragraph, yet vim > > thinks it a single line. I go to the beginning of the line and hit > > > > gqG > > > > And it breaks my single line into multiple lines and left justifies > > everything. Very nice... > > Ah, so intuitive! It sounds like Pico's "justify" command, which I love, > and 'pine' for in Emacs. heh. heh. Of course, I'm sure Emacs can do it, > but the key stroke is probably something like > M-X-G make-this-paragraph-nice-and-pretty > > Luke > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 15:09:33 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTMLmode) References: Message-ID: <3979FF7D.C99A3C79@tc.umn.edu> Heh, I thought I'd be summarily flamed.. Luke Francl wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > [snip] > > > I want this: An editor that can understand all of my nice keys that I > > used to use when I ran DOS -- arrows, delete, insert, home, and end > > should all work in a nice and/or easily re-configurable manner > > (personally, I prefer home and end to go to the beginning and end of a > > line on the screen, rather than the beginning and end of a document, or > > the beginning and end of a line that wraps around the screen). > > Selecting text using shift-arrow was nice. Fortunately, Linux seems to > > understand shift-insert for paste (though it locks up Netscape..). > > Vim has a nice interface for this which I just learned about: hit "v" to > enter "visual mode" then move your selection around with the arrow or > movement keys. It selects blocks of text. "V" does whole lines and > "^V" does text veritcally! That's neat. While I don't particularly go for the use of `v' (like I said, I'd rather use shift for selecting text), I like the fact that there are several different modes. Getting back to the home, end, delete, insert keys, I realized a while after I started using Linux that I was not able to use those keys in most situations, and it got really annoying. Now, after using pico for so long, I don't use home and end much anymore. To get to the end of a line, I go down a line, get to the beginning of that line, and do one more left-arrow keystroke to get to the end of the previous line. It really annoys me that this doesn't work in vi, as the arrow keys won't wrap around to the next/previous line when you reach the beginning or end. > > I also (need)/(really, really want) to have colorized text. I know this > > is a feature on many editors, but it's never easy to find. > > Does anyone know how to turn this on in plain Emacs? I know it's possible, > but I don't know how! I found the option once or twice (by going through the menus), but I never figured out how to save that configuration. However, once it was enabled, it also caused anything you printed to be in color as well. Not such a good thing if you only have a B&W laser printer, or if your colors don't display well on white (such as yellow..) > Again, Vim does pretty nice colorized text, but it only seems to work well > in the console and in rxvt -- everything else looks awful, and since at > work I can't use either of those, I can't use syntax coloring. Oh yeah.. `syntax highlighting' -- that's the word I was looking for.. > I also wish Vim was smarter about indents, like Emacs. I'm probably crazy to ask about this, as I don't know if it's a feature I'd like at all, but is there an editor out there that can do automatic `style'? I only ask because there are different projects out there that like to format things in different ways. Some want you to declare functions like int myfunc1() { printf("Hello.\n"); return 0; } While others (like GTK/Gnome) want formatting to look more like char * myfunc2 (char *str) { printf ("Hello\n"); return str; } It would be nice if you could just flip a switch somewhere and change formatting, either of a source file you already have, or something that will automatically re-arrange things as you type them in. However, this kind of scares me -- I know how Word and other programs do similar things which end up just confusing people. Definitely not an option that I'd turn on by default.. > > be a bit smarter about line wrapping. Files that end in .c, .html, and > > other well-known source file formats should automatically disable line > > wrapping. > > vi never wraps lines, which is annoying for writing long things (which is > why I'm writing in Emacs right now). Yeah, there should be some sort of save mode that acts like Netscape's plaintext message composer. After you finish the message, all of the lines get wrapped around at a certain number of characters. Any lines that start with `>' or other characters used for quoting should not be wrapped. I actually really like Netscape's composer as an editor. I guess the Motif text widget must be really good. I don't particularly like the text editing widget in Gtk, as it doesn't let the home and end keys work in a way that I like (well, maybe there's an option somewhere...). If a line wraps around, the home and end keys can take you to the beginning or end of an entire paragraph. Yucky.. > > After using Linux for a while, I think the PC DOS 7.0 edit command was > > probably one of the best editors I've seen. I'm not sure if it had > > color highlighting, but it had a nice command line interface > > (unfortunately, I never figured it out until far too late). To do a > > global search-and-replace in your document, hit [ESC] (to get to the > > command line), then type `s/original/replacement/g'. Anyone who has > > used sed or perl knows this syntax. > > You mean, like vi? > :s/original/replacement/g Oops.. yeah. vi is very close in many ways to what I'd really like in an editor, though I've pointed out some of the things I don't like. I personally wish that there was a good menuing system that would allow new users to quickly and easily learn how to use it. The menus in gvim, for example, have been only marginally helpful in showing me what keystrokes to use. > I've heard that Nedit is a really nice editor, but I've never used it. You > might want to try that. [http://nedit.org/ for those that want to check it out..] Looks pretty nice, though I'm opposed to depending upon Motif/Lesstif whenever possible.. I really should give it a try, though.. > Still trying to find the perfect editor, > Luke Heh, well it doesn't help that many editors that are in common use today on Linux and Unix were first created for use on very slow terminals. There are some editors for DOS, in comparison, that were very good because they didn't have to deal with the limitations of running over slow links -- they could just access the video card directly. Hmm.. must do some more thinking.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Any fool can criticize, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ condemn, & complain. And \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) most do. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 15:11:49 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: EmacsHTMLmode) References: Message-ID: <397A0005.6FF8C882@tc.umn.edu> Luke Francl wrote: > > > Ah, you haven't discovered vim's nifty "gq" sequence. Read up on it a > > bit. For example, I'm in vim and type an entire paragraph, yet vim > > thinks it a single line. I go to the beginning of the line and hit > > > > gqG > > > > And it breaks my single line into multiple lines and left justifies > > everything. Very nice... > > Ah, so intuitive! It sounds like Pico's "justify" command, which I love, Definitely! Put your cursor somewhere in the paragraph. Hit ^J. Done! -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 42.7 percent of all / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ statistics are made up \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) on the spot. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sat Jul 22 15:27:25 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19774] Fwd: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company Message-ID: <20000722152725.A29423@localhost> Is anyone else getting these everytime they post? ----- Forwarded message from mailer-departed-employee@gone.sgi.com ----- From: mailer-departed-employee@gone.sgi.com Message-Id: <200007221653.SAA950766@gone.sgi.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:53:38 +0200 (CEST) To: Ben Lutgens Subject: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company The attached message was sent to 'Edward Hayes-Hall' at Silicon Graphics who left the company around 14-JUL-00. We are returning it to you UNDELIVERED. The message was probably addressed to 'ehh@sgi.com'. If the subject of this message is related to SGI business, please use one of the SGI contact addresses listed below (if any) or as a last resort, email helpdesk@corp.sgi.com or call +1 650-960-1980 to help determine the correct person to receive it. You may also try contacting their manager: Bill Cullen, bjc@sgi.com We do not know of any external contact information for this person. Sincerely, helpdesk@corp.sgi.com From: Ben Lutgens Message-ID: <20000722115218.A28943@localhost> In-Reply-To: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:52:18 -0500 Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem X-Mailer: No good GUI Email clients for x yet User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Not to insult your intelligence, but did you hit enter a few times after the reboot? that should cause the login prompt to pop up. On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: >On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, you wrote: > >can you ping the 675? The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 ip addres >on eth0. If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet you won't be >able to telnet to it. > >You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... >I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled >until you set an exec password. > >set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... > > > > >If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need to reinstall it. > >The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be warned if you screw >this up... Well you know. > >BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and I'll send it to you. > >---------- >Hey there, is it possible to add this stuff to the next X-ray or tools CD. > >Cisco 675 CBOS 2.2 update and directions > > > Upgrading your Cisco 675 External Modem to the latest software release >involves > the following four processes: > > 1.Downloading the latest Cisco 675 External Modem operating system > (version 2.2) to your hard drive. > 2.Downloading the Commander software (version 1.2) to your hard drive. > 3.Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating system to > the new version 2.2 that you will have downloaded to your hard drive. > 4.Installing the Commander software (version 1.2). > > > > You may want to print these instructions at this point so that you can > easily refer to them as you are going through the Cisco 675 External > Modem download processes. If you do not have a printer, you may > save these instructions as a Word file and then open them on your > desktop so that you can follow along as you complete the processes. > > > > Process 1 - Downloading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system > (version 2.2) to your hard drive: > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended >for > convenience). > Select the hyperlink named "675 2.2 CBOS Code" and save it to your new > folder located on your hard drive. This file is Winzip compressed. Use > Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If you need Aladdin > Expander you can download it free here or if you need Winzip you can > download a trial copy here. > > Process 2 - Downloading Commander v1.2 to your hard drive: > > Commander v1.2 software is required and will offer you the following: > > The ability to reset passwords that better protect the security of your >Cisco > 675 External Modem. > Statistical output that indicates performance on your Cisco 675 External > Modem. > Management information on your Cisco 675 External Modem. > > In order to download the Commander v1.2 software, please complete the > following: > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended >for > convenience). > Select the hyperlink named "675 Commander 1.2 for Windows? " and > save it to your new folder located on your hard drive. This file is >Winzip > compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If > you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free here or if you need > Winzip you can download a trial copy here. > > Process 3 - Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating > system to version 2.2: > > Ensure that your PC, Ethernet Card and Cisco 675 External Modem are > connected, configured and operational. This should be apparent if you're > currently using MegaBit Services. > Ensure that the serial cable is installed between the PCs COM Port > (DB-9) and the Cisco 675s MGMT Port (RJ-45). If you are unsure, > please consult your MegaBit Services User Guide. The serial cable > facilitates upgrading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system. > Note to which PC COM Port that the serial cable is installed. You will >need > this information for the next step. > > Configure HyperTerminal > > The following step assumes that you have not created a session icon for > HyperTerminal and the Cisco 675 External Modem. > > Navigate to the HyperTerminal application. > > If you are a Windows? 98 user, you may have to install HyperTerminal from >your > Windows? 98 compact disc. If Hyperterminal is not working properly, for > example, if you are receiving an "illegal operation" message, please go to >the > following website and upgrade your existing Hyperterminal application: > http://www.hilgraeve.com/ > > Select and name an icon for the Cisco 675 External Modem. > In the "Connect using" box select the appropriate COM Port that the >serial > cable is installed. > In the "Properties" window, ensure these port settings: > > Bits per second: 38400 > Data bits: 8 > Parity: None > Stop bits: 1 > Flow control: None > > Click OK and press [Enter]. > > A HyperTerminal Session window appears with a welcome message and > a password prompt. > > Hello! > > CBOS v2.1 > > User Access Verification > > Password: > > > If you don't see this information, press [ENTER] a few times. > If you still don't see the welcome message, verify connections and power > to your modem. > If you just see "cbos>", that is OK. > You don't need a password to configure the modem. > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > Updating the Modem Operating System > > The following step requires your modem to be in the "enable" mode. This mode > allows changes in configuration. > > At the cbos> prompt, type: enable and press [ENTER]. > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > The enable mode ships default from Cisco System without an enable mode > password. If you have previously programmed an enable mode password, > enter that password now. > > The following should be displayed: > > cbos>enable > > Password: > > cbos# > > > The pound sign indicates that you are in the enable mode. > > Before continuing with the following steps, please read the next few lines >of > directions up to the WARNING message below. > > At the cbos# prompt, type: set download code then press [ENTER]. > The following should be displayed: > > cbos#set download code > > Downloading > > CCCCC > > > As the Cs are appearing, continue onto the next step. > On the HyperTerminal toolbar, select Transfer. Select Send File. > An additional Window pops up entitled "Send File". Select Browse. > You will be selecting the file that you downloaded into a new folder. > Select your hard drive and locate the folder and file that you created >earlier. > Select the file nsrouter.c675.2.2.0.000.ima. > In the Send File Window, Protocol field, ensure that Xmodem is >selected. > In the Send File Window, select the Send button. > > WARNING! It is extremely important that power is not interrupted to your > equipment! > > After transfer is complete (approximately 6 minutes), the new Cisco > software self extracts. You should allow the automatic process to occur > and do not use your computer. > At the password prompt, press [ENTER] > At the cbos> prompt, type: show version > The following should be displayed: > > Cisco Broadband Operating > System > > CBOSTM 675 Software > (C675-I-M), Version v2.2 > > Copyright @ 1986-1999 by > cisco Systems, Inc. > > Compiled Aug 24 1999 > 18:31:28 > > NVRAM image at 0x1032bfa0 > > > Your Cisco 675 External Modem is now upgraded. > >> I'm stumped: >> >From Windows NT: >> >> I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used telnet,... >> followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), >> >> cbos>en >> Password: [hit enter] >> cbos#set nvram erase >> [warns that you have to write to make it effective] >> cbos#write >> cbos#rboot >> [and it hangs...] >> >> Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! >> >> I'm stumped. What's next? >> >> gs >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 22 15:33:11 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19774] Fwd: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company Message-ID: <200007222033.e6MKXF205652@sprite.real-time.com> im getting it :P > Is anyone else getting these everytime they post? > > > ----- Forwarded message from mailer-departed- employee@gone.sgi.com ----- > > From: mailer-departed-employee@gone.sgi.com > Message-Id: <200007221653.SAA950766@gone.sgi.com> > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:53:38 +0200 (CEST) > To: Ben Lutgens > Subject: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company > > > The attached message was sent to 'Edward Hayes-Hall' > at Silicon Graphics who left the company around 14-JUL-00. > We are returning it to you UNDELIVERED. > > > The message was probably addressed to 'ehh@sgi.com'. > > If the subject of this message is related to SGI business, please > use one of the SGI contact addresses listed below (if any) or as > a last resort, email helpdesk@corp.sgi.com or call +1 650- 960-1980 to > help determine the correct person to receive it. > > You may also try contacting their manager: > Bill Cullen, bjc@sgi.com > > > We do not know of any external contact information for this person. > > > Sincerely, > > helpdesk@corp.sgi.com > > From: Ben Lutgens > Message-ID: <20000722115218.A28943@localhost> > In-Reply-To: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500 > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:52:18 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem > X-Mailer: No good GUI Email clients for x yet > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i > > Not to insult your intelligence, but did you hit enter a few times after the > reboot? that should cause the login prompt to pop up. > > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > >On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, you wrote: > > > >can you ping the 675? The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 ip addres > >on eth0. If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet you won't be > >able to telnet to it. > > > >You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... > >I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled > >until you set an exec password. > > > >set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... > > > > > > > > > >If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need to reinstall it. > > > >The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be warned if you screw > >this up... Well you know. > > > >BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and I'll send it to you. > > > >---------- > >Hey there, is it possible to add this stuff to the next X-ray or tools CD. > > > >Cisco 675 CBOS 2.2 update and directions > > > > > > Upgrading your Cisco 675 External Modem to the latest software release > >involves > > the following four processes: > > > > 1.Downloading the latest Cisco 675 External Modem operating system > > (version 2.2) to your hard drive. > > 2.Downloading the Commander software (version 1.2) to your hard drive. > > 3.Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating system to > > the new version 2.2 that you will have downloaded to your hard drive. > > 4.Installing the Commander software (version 1.2). > > > > > > > > You may want to print these instructions at this point so that you can > > easily refer to them as you are going through the Cisco 675 External > > Modem download processes. If you do not have a printer, you may > > save these instructions as a Word file and then open them on your > > desktop so that you can follow along as you complete the processes. > > > > > > > > Process 1 - Downloading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system > > (version 2.2) to your hard drive: > > > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended > >for > > convenience). > > Select the hyperlink named "675 2.2 CBOS Code" and save it to your new > > folder located on your hard drive. This file is Winzip compressed. Use > > Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If you need Aladdin > > Expander you can download it free here or if you need Winzip you can > > download a trial copy here. > > > > Process 2 - Downloading Commander v1.2 to your hard drive: > > > > Commander v1.2 software is required and will offer you the following: > > > > The ability to reset passwords that better protect the security of your > >Cisco > > 675 External Modem. > > Statistical output that indicates performance on your Cisco 675 External > > Modem. > > Management information on your Cisco 675 External Modem. > > > > In order to download the Commander v1.2 software, please complete the > > following: > > > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root directory is recommended > >for > > convenience). > > Select the hyperlink named "675 Commander 1.2 for Windows? " and > > save it to your new folder located on your hard drive. This file is > >Winzip > > compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. If > > you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free here or if you need > > Winzip you can download a trial copy here. > > > > Process 3 - Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem operating > > system to version 2.2: > > > > Ensure that your PC, Ethernet Card and Cisco 675 External Modem are > > connected, configured and operational. This should be apparent if you're > > currently using MegaBit Services. > > Ensure that the serial cable is installed between the PCs COM Port > > (DB-9) and the Cisco 675s MGMT Port (RJ-45). If you are unsure, > > please consult your MegaBit Services User Guide. The serial cable > > facilitates upgrading the Cisco 675 External Modem operating system. > > Note to which PC COM Port that the serial cable is installed. You will > >need > > this information for the next step. > > > > Configure HyperTerminal > > > > The following step assumes that you have not created a session icon for > > HyperTerminal and the Cisco 675 External Modem. > > > > Navigate to the HyperTerminal application. > > > > If you are a Windows? 98 user, you may have to install HyperTerminal from > >your > > Windows? 98 compact disc. If Hyperterminal is not working properly, for > > example, if you are receiving an "illegal operation" message, please go to > >the > > following website and upgrade your existing Hyperterminal application: > > http://www.hilgraeve.com/ > > > > Select and name an icon for the Cisco 675 External Modem. > > In the "Connect using" box select the appropriate COM Port that the > >serial > > cable is installed. > > In the "Properties" window, ensure these port settings: > > > > Bits per second: 38400 > > Data bits: 8 > > Parity: None > > Stop bits: 1 > > Flow control: None > > > > Click OK and press [Enter]. > > > > A HyperTerminal Session window appears with a welcome message and > > a password prompt. > > > > Hello! > > > > CBOS v2.1 > > > > User Access Verification > > > > Password: > > > > > > If you don't see this information, press [ENTER] a few times. > > If you still don't see the welcome message, verify connections and power > > to your modem. > > If you just see "cbos>", that is OK. > > You don't need a password to configure the modem. > > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > > > Updating the Modem Operating System > > > > The following step requires your modem to be in the "enable" mode. This mode > > allows changes in configuration. > > > > At the cbos> prompt, type: enable and press [ENTER]. > > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > > > The enable mode ships default from Cisco System without an enable mode > > password. If you have previously programmed an enable mode password, > > enter that password now. > > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > cbos>enable > > > > Password: > > > > cbos# > > > > > > The pound sign indicates that you are in the enable mode. > > > > Before continuing with the following steps, please read the next few lines > >of > > directions up to the WARNING message below. > > > > At the cbos# prompt, type: set download code then press [ENTER]. > > The following should be displayed: > > > > cbos#set download code > > > > Downloading > > > > CCCCC > > > > > > As the Cs are appearing, continue onto the next step. > > On the HyperTerminal toolbar, select Transfer. Select Send File. > > An additional Window pops up entitled "Send File". Select Browse. > > You will be selecting the file that you downloaded into a new folder. > > Select your hard drive and locate the folder and file that you created > >earlier. > > Select the file nsrouter.c675.2.2.0.000.ima. > > In the Send File Window, Protocol field, ensure that Xmodem is > >selected. > > In the Send File Window, select the Send button. > > > > WARNING! It is extremely important that power is not interrupted to your > > equipment! > > > > After transfer is complete (approximately 6 minutes), the new Cisco > > software self extracts. You should allow the automatic process to occur > > and do not use your computer. > > At the password prompt, press [ENTER] > > At the cbos> prompt, type: show version > > The following should be displayed: > > > > Cisco Broadband Operating > > System > > > > CBOSTM 675 Software > > (C675-I-M), Version v2.2 > > > > Copyright @ 1986-1999 by > > cisco Systems, Inc. > > > > Compiled Aug 24 1999 > > 18:31:28 > > > > NVRAM image at 0x1032bfa0 > > > > > > Your Cisco 675 External Modem is now upgraded. > > > >> I'm stumped: > >> >From Windows NT: > >> > >> I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used telnet,... > >> followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), > >> > >> cbos>en > >> Password: [hit enter] > >> cbos#set nvram erase > >> [warns that you have to write to make it effective] > >> cbos#write > >> cbos#rboot > >> [and it hangs...] > >> > >> Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! > >> > >> I'm stumped. What's next? > >> > >> gs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- -------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 15:42:18 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: EmacsHTMLmode) In-Reply-To: <3979FF7D.C99A3C79@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Heh, I thought I'd be summarily flamed.. Editors tend to cause that :) > That's neat. While I don't particularly go for the use of `v' (like I > said, I'd rather use shift for selecting text), I like the fact that > there are several different modes. I agree, using shift is nice, and something I always used in the Mac/Windows world... > Getting back to the home, end, delete, insert keys, I realized a while > after I started using Linux that I was not able to use those keys in > most situations, and it got really annoying. Now, after using pico for > so long, I don't use home and end much anymore. To get to the end of a > line, I go down a line, get to the beginning of that line, and do one > more left-arrow keystroke to get to the end of the previous line. It > really annoys me that this doesn't work in vi, as the arrow keys won't > wrap around to the next/previous line when you reach the beginning or > end. You might want to try ctrl-e to get to the end of a line, and ctrl-a to get to the end. Works in Pico and Emacs. In vi, ^ is beginning and $ is end. > I found the option once or twice (by going through the menus), but I > never figured out how to save that configuration. However, once it was > enabled, it also caused anything you printed to be in color as well. > Not such a good thing if you only have a B&W laser printer, or if your > colors don't display well on white (such as yellow..) I should look harder/buy a book on Emacs. I don't have a printer, so that shouldn't be a problem. Besides, isn't that what lpr is for? ;) > I'm probably crazy to ask about this, as I don't know if it's a feature > I'd like at all, but is there an editor out there that can do automatic > `style'? I only ask because there are different projects out there that > like to format things in different ways. Some want you to declare > functions like > > int myfunc1() { > printf("Hello.\n"); > return 0; > } > > While others (like GTK/Gnome) want formatting to look more like > > char * > myfunc2 (char *str) > { > printf ("Hello\n"); > return str; > } > > It would be nice if you could just flip a switch somewhere and change > formatting, either of a source file you already have, or something that > will automatically re-arrange things as you type them in. However, this > kind of scares me -- I know how Word and other programs do similar > things which end up just confusing people. Definitely not an option > that I'd turn on by default.. Emacs supports both of those styles, but it won't change it as far as I know (though there's probably some elisp script someplace that would). I believe there are Perl pretty printers which do this. > Yeah, there should be some sort of save mode that acts like Netscape's > plaintext message composer. After you finish the message, all of the > lines get wrapped around at a certain number of characters. Any lines > that start with `>' or other characters used for quoting should not be > wrapped. I actually really like Netscape's composer as an editor. I > guess the Motif text widget must be really good. I don't particularly > like the text editing widget in Gtk, as it doesn't let the home and end > keys work in a way that I like (well, maybe there's an option > somewhere...). If a line wraps around, the home and end keys can take > you to the beginning or end of an entire paragraph. Yucky.. Well, that is technically a feature, since that really is only one line. In emacs you can go forward one word at a time with cntrl-arrow, and in vi, you can use e to move forward one word... > > You mean, like vi? > > :s/original/replacement/g > > Oops.. yeah. vi is very close in many ways to what I'd really like in > an editor, though I've pointed out some of the things I don't like. I > personally wish that there was a good menuing system that would allow > new users to quickly and easily learn how to use it. The menus in gvim, > for example, have been only marginally helpful in showing me what > keystrokes to use. Yeah, I haven't been too impressed with graphical vi clones. They're kind of pointless. It might be nice if every option was represnted in the menus...then they'd be at least useful. > Heh, well it doesn't help that many editors that are in common use today > on Linux and Unix were first created for use on very slow terminals. > There are some editors for DOS, in comparison, that were very good > because they didn't have to deal with the limitations of running over > slow links -- they could just access the video card directly. Good point. That's probably why I like to come into X when I write something long. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 15:43:28 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19774] Fwd: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer withcompany In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think we all are. Someone complained about this yesterday, too. Time to unsubscribe that address! On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Kozmik Krash wrote: > im getting it > :P > > > Is anyone else getting these everytime they post? > > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from mailer-departed- > employee@gone.sgi.com ----- > > > > From: mailer-departed-employee@gone.sgi.com > > Message-Id: <200007221653.SAA950766@gone.sgi.com> > > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:53:38 +0200 (CEST) > > To: Ben Lutgens > > Subject: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company > > > > > > The attached message was sent to 'Edward Hayes-Hall' > > at Silicon Graphics who left the company around 14-JUL-00. > > We are returning it to you UNDELIVERED. > > > > > > The message was probably addressed to 'ehh@sgi.com'. > > > > If the subject of this message is related to SGI > business, please > > use one of the SGI contact addresses listed below (if > any) or as > > a last resort, email helpdesk@corp.sgi.com or call +1 650- > 960-1980 to > > help determine the correct person to receive it. > > > > You may also try contacting their manager: > > Bill Cullen, bjc@sgi.com > > > > > > We do not know of any external contact information for > this person. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > helpdesk@corp.sgi.com > > > > From: Ben Lutgens > > Message-ID: <20000722115218.A28943@localhost> > > In-Reply-To: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo>; from > mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500 > > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:52:18 -0500 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem > > X-Mailer: No good GUI Email clients for x yet > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i > > > > Not to insult your intelligence, but did you hit enter a > few times after the > > reboot? that should cause the login prompt to pop up. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500, Mike Nielsen > wrote: > > >On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, you wrote: > > > > > >can you ping the 675? The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 > ip addres > > >on eth0. If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet > you won't be > > >able to telnet to it. > > > > > >You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... > > >I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled > > >until you set an exec password. > > > > > >set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need > to reinstall it. > > > > > >The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be > warned if you screw > > >this up... Well you know. > > > > > >BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and > I'll send it to you. > > > > > >---------- > > >Hey there, is it possible to add this stuff to the next > X-ray or tools CD. > > > > > >Cisco 675 CBOS 2.2 update and directions > > > > > > > > > Upgrading your Cisco 675 External Modem to the latest > software release > > >involves > > > the following four processes: > > > > > > 1.Downloading the latest Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system > > > (version 2.2) to your hard drive. > > > 2.Downloading the Commander software (version 1.2) > to your hard drive. > > > 3.Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system to > > > the new version 2.2 that you will have downloaded > to your hard drive. > > > 4.Installing the Commander software (version 1.2). > > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to print these instructions at this > point so that you can > > > easily refer to them as you are going through the > Cisco 675 External > > > Modem download processes. If you do not have a > printer, you may > > > save these instructions as a Word file and then > open them on your > > > desktop so that you can follow along as you > complete the processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Process 1 - Downloading the Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system > > > (version 2.2) to your hard drive: > > > > > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root > directory is recommended > > >for > > > convenience). > > > Select the hyperlink named "675 2.2 CBOS Code" and > save it to your new > > > folder located on your hard drive. This file is > Winzip compressed. Use > > > Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. > If you need Aladdin > > > Expander you can download it free here or if you > need Winzip you can > > > download a trial copy here. > > > > > > Process 2 - Downloading Commander v1.2 to your hard > drive: > > > > > > Commander v1.2 software is required and will offer you > the following: > > > > > > The ability to reset passwords that better protect > the security of your > > >Cisco > > > 675 External Modem. > > > Statistical output that indicates performance on > your Cisco 675 External > > > Modem. > > > Management information on your Cisco 675 External > Modem. > > > > > > In order to download the Commander v1.2 software, > please complete the > > > following: > > > > > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root > directory is recommended > > >for > > > convenience). > > > Select the hyperlink named "675 Commander 1.2 for > Windows® " and > > > save it to your new folder located on your hard > drive. This file is > > >Winzip > > > compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to > decompress the file. If > > > you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free > here or if you need > > > Winzip you can download a trial copy here. > > > > > > Process 3 - Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External > Modem operating > > > system to version 2.2: > > > > > > Ensure that your PC, Ethernet Card and Cisco 675 > External Modem are > > > connected, configured and operational. This should > be apparent if you're > > > currently using MegaBit Services. > > > Ensure that the serial cable is installed between > the PCs COM Port > > > (DB-9) and the Cisco 675s MGMT Port (RJ-45). If > you are unsure, > > > please consult your MegaBit Services User Guide. > The serial cable > > > facilitates upgrading the Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system. > > > Note to which PC COM Port that the serial cable is > installed. You will > > >need > > > this information for the next step. > > > > > > Configure HyperTerminal > > > > > > The following step assumes that you have not created a > session icon for > > > HyperTerminal and the Cisco 675 External Modem. > > > > > > Navigate to the HyperTerminal application. > > > > > > If you are a Windows® 98 user, you may have to install > HyperTerminal from > > >your > > > Windows® 98 compact disc. If Hyperterminal is not > working properly, for > > > example, if you are receiving an "illegal operation" > message, please go to > > >the > > > following website and upgrade your existing > Hyperterminal application: > > > http://www.hilgraeve.com/ > > > > > > Select and name an icon for the Cisco 675 External > Modem. > > > In the "Connect using" box select the appropriate > COM Port that the > > >serial > > > cable is installed. > > > In the "Properties" window, ensure these port > settings: > > > > > > Bits per second: 38400 > > > Data bits: 8 > > > Parity: None > > > Stop bits: 1 > > > Flow control: None > > > > > > Click OK and press [Enter]. > > > > > > A HyperTerminal Session window appears with a > welcome message and > > > a password prompt. > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > CBOS v2.1 > > > > > > User Access Verification > > > > > > Password: > > > > > > > > > If you don't see this information, press [ENTER] a > few times. > > > If you still don't see the welcome message, verify > connections and power > > > to your modem. > > > If you just see "cbos>", that is OK. > > > You don't need a password to configure the modem. > > > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > > > > > Updating the Modem Operating System > > > > > > The following step requires your modem to be in > the "enable" mode. This mode > > > allows changes in configuration. > > > > > > At the cbos> prompt, type: enable and press > [ENTER]. > > > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > > > > > The enable mode ships default from Cisco System > without an enable mode > > > password. If you have previously programmed an > enable mode password, > > > enter that password now. > > > > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > > > cbos>enable > > > > > > Password: > > > > > > cbos# > > > > > > > > > The pound sign indicates that you are in the enable > mode. > > > > > > Before continuing with the following steps, please > read the next few lines > > >of > > > directions up to the WARNING message below. > > > > > > At the cbos# prompt, type: set download code then > press [ENTER]. > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > > > cbos#set download code > > > > > > Downloading > > > > > > CCCCC > > > > > > > > > As the Cs are appearing, continue onto the next > step. > > > On the HyperTerminal toolbar, select Transfer. > Select Send File. > > > An additional Window pops up entitled "Send File". > Select Browse. > > > You will be selecting the file that you downloaded > into a new folder. > > > Select your hard drive and locate the folder and > file that you created > > >earlier. > > > Select the file nsrouter.c675.2.2.0.000.ima. > > > In the Send File Window, Protocol field, ensure > that Xmodem is > > >selected. > > > In the Send File Window, select the Send button. > > > > > > WARNING! It is extremely important that power is not > interrupted to your > > > equipment! > > > > > > After transfer is complete (approximately 6 > minutes), the new Cisco > > > software self extracts. You should allow the > automatic process to occur > > > and do not use your computer. > > > At the password prompt, press [ENTER] > > > At the cbos> prompt, type: show version > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > > > Cisco Broadband Operating > > > System > > > > > > CBOSTM 675 Software > > > (C675-I-M), Version v2.2 > > > > > > Copyright @ 1986-1999 by > > > cisco Systems, Inc. > > > > > > Compiled Aug 24 1999 > > > 18:31:28 > > > > > > NVRAM image at 0x1032bfa0 > > > > > > > > > Your Cisco 675 External Modem is now upgraded. > > > > > >> I'm stumped: > > >> >From Windows NT: > > >> > > >> I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used > telnet,... > > >> followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), > > >> > > >> cbos>en > > >> Password: [hit enter] > > >> cbos#set nvram erase > > >> [warns that you have to write to make it effective] > > >> cbos#write > > >> cbos#rboot > > >> [and it hangs...] > > >> > > >> Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! > > >> > > >> I'm stumped. What's next? > > >> > > >> gs > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------­ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------­ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From parker at mi-recordz.com Sat Jul 22 17:48:31 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19778] contract ? Message-ID: Hello, I've been involved in an LGPL, GPL and GFDL licensed project for about a year now. Recently the project was contacted by a for profit business via our mailing list. Their letter stated, we'd like to pay the developers to work full-time on . They've stated that we'll develop the product under the licenses which we're currently using and that it's their intention to be an Open Source company. Well, I moved to a foriegn country, can't speak the language and I'm going broke because I haven't been paid. I've been working here for a month. I'm not being paid because I refuse to sign a contract which includes non-competition and confidentiality clauses that would render me unable to "freely" use the product which I've helped develop. I've written and sent a letter to the GNU people and am awaiting their response. I am very open to hearing from anyone that has more insite or experience with this type of scenario than I have. If I'm ignorant about this situation, I'd like to hear about it; otherwise, I'm going to put on my swimming trunks and aim my tired ass at the statue of liberty. I realize that I'm being extremely vague but the situation is rather delicate and I'm not ready to go balistic, yet! If you reply to the list and you can help but need more details, I'd probably be willing to provide the necesary information privately. Ah, bet maybe you'd have to write a statement for treating the situation confidentialy. :) Ron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jonathankl at ism-sabis.net Sat Jul 22 15:55:50 2000 From: jonathankl at ism-sabis.net (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19774] Fwd: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company References: <200007221938.OAA25090@sabis.org> Message-ID: <002d01bff41f$3b1ec8e0$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> I'll second that! I'm getting it! ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Jonathan A. Kline, A+ Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ --END Geek Code-- ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kozmik Krash" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19774] Fwd: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company > im getting it > :P > > > Is anyone else getting these everytime they post? > > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from mailer-departed- > employee@gone.sgi.com ----- > > > > From: mailer-departed-employee@gone.sgi.com > > Message-Id: <200007221653.SAA950766@gone.sgi.com> > > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:53:38 +0200 (CEST) > > To: Ben Lutgens > > Subject: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company > > > > > > The attached message was sent to 'Edward Hayes-Hall' > > at Silicon Graphics who left the company around 14-JUL-00. > > We are returning it to you UNDELIVERED. > > > > > > The message was probably addressed to 'ehh@sgi.com'. > > > > If the subject of this message is related to SGI > business, please > > use one of the SGI contact addresses listed below (if > any) or as > > a last resort, email helpdesk@corp.sgi.com or call +1 650- > 960-1980 to > > help determine the correct person to receive it. > > > > You may also try contacting their manager: > > Bill Cullen, bjc@sgi.com > > > > > > We do not know of any external contact information for > this person. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > helpdesk@corp.sgi.com > > > > From: Ben Lutgens > > Message-ID: <20000722115218.A28943@localhost> > > In-Reply-To: <00072211080900.05850@Dingo>; from > mike@getbent.net on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500 > > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:52:18 -0500 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem > > X-Mailer: No good GUI Email clients for x yet > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i > > > > Not to insult your intelligence, but did you hit enter a > few times after the > > reboot? that should cause the login prompt to pop up. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:08:09AM -0500, Mike Nielsen > wrote: > > >On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, you wrote: > > > > > >can you ping the 675? The 675 defaults to a 10.0.0.1 > ip addres > > >on eth0. If your machine doesn't fall into that subnet > you won't be > > >able to telnet to it. > > > > > >You should be able to connect with Hyperterminal..... > > >I have run across several a 675 that has Telnet disabled > > >until you set an exec password. > > > > > >set hyperterm to run at 3840 8 N 1 No flow control... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you find that your Cbos has been corrupted you need > to reinstall it. > > > > > >The following is taken from Cisco on how to do this. Be > warned if you screw > > >this up... Well you know. > > > > > >BTW, if you need the CBOS 2.2 firmware let me know and > I'll send it to you. > > > > > >---------- > > >Hey there, is it possible to add this stuff to the next > X-ray or tools CD. > > > > > >Cisco 675 CBOS 2.2 update and directions > > > > > > > > > Upgrading your Cisco 675 External Modem to the latest > software release > > >involves > > > the following four processes: > > > > > > 1.Downloading the latest Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system > > > (version 2.2) to your hard drive. > > > 2.Downloading the Commander software (version 1.2) > to your hard drive. > > > 3.Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system to > > > the new version 2.2 that you will have downloaded > to your hard drive. > > > 4.Installing the Commander software (version 1.2). > > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to print these instructions at this > point so that you can > > > easily refer to them as you are going through the > Cisco 675 External > > > Modem download processes. If you do not have a > printer, you may > > > save these instructions as a Word file and then > open them on your > > > desktop so that you can follow along as you > complete the processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Process 1 - Downloading the Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system > > > (version 2.2) to your hard drive: > > > > > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root > directory is recommended > > >for > > > convenience). > > > Select the hyperlink named "675 2.2 CBOS Code" and > save it to your new > > > folder located on your hard drive. This file is > Winzip compressed. Use > > > Winzip or Aladdin Expander to decompress the file. > If you need Aladdin > > > Expander you can download it free here or if you > need Winzip you can > > > download a trial copy here. > > > > > > Process 2 - Downloading Commander v1.2 to your hard > drive: > > > > > > Commander v1.2 software is required and will offer you > the following: > > > > > > The ability to reset passwords that better protect > the security of your > > >Cisco > > > 675 External Modem. > > > Statistical output that indicates performance on > your Cisco 675 External > > > Modem. > > > Management information on your Cisco 675 External > Modem. > > > > > > In order to download the Commander v1.2 software, > please complete the > > > following: > > > > > > Create a folder on your hard drive. (The root > directory is recommended > > >for > > > convenience). > > > Select the hyperlink named "675 Commander 1.2 for > Windows? " and > > > save it to your new folder located on your hard > drive. This file is > > >Winzip > > > compressed. Use Winzip or Aladdin Expander to > decompress the file. If > > > you need Aladdin Expander you can download it free > here or if you need > > > Winzip you can download a trial copy here. > > > > > > Process 3 - Upgrading your existing Cisco 675 External > Modem operating > > > system to version 2.2: > > > > > > Ensure that your PC, Ethernet Card and Cisco 675 > External Modem are > > > connected, configured and operational. This should > be apparent if you're > > > currently using MegaBit Services. > > > Ensure that the serial cable is installed between > the PCs COM Port > > > (DB-9) and the Cisco 675s MGMT Port (RJ-45). If > you are unsure, > > > please consult your MegaBit Services User Guide. > The serial cable > > > facilitates upgrading the Cisco 675 External Modem > operating system. > > > Note to which PC COM Port that the serial cable is > installed. You will > > >need > > > this information for the next step. > > > > > > Configure HyperTerminal > > > > > > The following step assumes that you have not created a > session icon for > > > HyperTerminal and the Cisco 675 External Modem. > > > > > > Navigate to the HyperTerminal application. > > > > > > If you are a Windows? 98 user, you may have to install > HyperTerminal from > > >your > > > Windows? 98 compact disc. If Hyperterminal is not > working properly, for > > > example, if you are receiving an "illegal operation" > message, please go to > > >the > > > following website and upgrade your existing > Hyperterminal application: > > > http://www.hilgraeve.com/ > > > > > > Select and name an icon for the Cisco 675 External > Modem. > > > In the "Connect using" box select the appropriate > COM Port that the > > >serial > > > cable is installed. > > > In the "Properties" window, ensure these port > settings: > > > > > > Bits per second: 38400 > > > Data bits: 8 > > > Parity: None > > > Stop bits: 1 > > > Flow control: None > > > > > > Click OK and press [Enter]. > > > > > > A HyperTerminal Session window appears with a > welcome message and > > > a password prompt. > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > CBOS v2.1 > > > > > > User Access Verification > > > > > > Password: > > > > > > > > > If you don't see this information, press [ENTER] a > few times. > > > If you still don't see the welcome message, verify > connections and power > > > to your modem. > > > If you just see "cbos>", that is OK. > > > You don't need a password to configure the modem. > > > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > > > > > Updating the Modem Operating System > > > > > > The following step requires your modem to be in > the "enable" mode. This mode > > > allows changes in configuration. > > > > > > At the cbos> prompt, type: enable and press > [ENTER]. > > > At the password prompt press [ENTER]. > > > > > > The enable mode ships default from Cisco System > without an enable mode > > > password. If you have previously programmed an > enable mode password, > > > enter that password now. > > > > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > > > cbos>enable > > > > > > Password: > > > > > > cbos# > > > > > > > > > The pound sign indicates that you are in the enable > mode. > > > > > > Before continuing with the following steps, please > read the next few lines > > >of > > > directions up to the WARNING message below. > > > > > > At the cbos# prompt, type: set download code then > press [ENTER]. > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > > > cbos#set download code > > > > > > Downloading > > > > > > CCCCC > > > > > > > > > As the Cs are appearing, continue onto the next > step. > > > On the HyperTerminal toolbar, select Transfer. > Select Send File. > > > An additional Window pops up entitled "Send File". > Select Browse. > > > You will be selecting the file that you downloaded > into a new folder. > > > Select your hard drive and locate the folder and > file that you created > > >earlier. > > > Select the file nsrouter.c675.2.2.0.000.ima. > > > In the Send File Window, Protocol field, ensure > that Xmodem is > > >selected. > > > In the Send File Window, select the Send button. > > > > > > WARNING! It is extremely important that power is not > interrupted to your > > > equipment! > > > > > > After transfer is complete (approximately 6 > minutes), the new Cisco > > > software self extracts. You should allow the > automatic process to occur > > > and do not use your computer. > > > At the password prompt, press [ENTER] > > > At the cbos> prompt, type: show version > > > The following should be displayed: > > > > > > Cisco Broadband Operating > > > System > > > > > > CBOSTM 675 Software > > > (C675-I-M), Version v2.2 > > > > > > Copyright @ 1986-1999 by > > > cisco Systems, Inc. > > > > > > Compiled Aug 24 1999 > > > 18:31:28 > > > > > > NVRAM image at 0x1032bfa0 > > > > > > > > > Your Cisco 675 External Modem is now upgraded. > > > > > >> I'm stumped: > > >> >From Windows NT: > > >> > > >> I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used > telnet,... > > >> followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), > > >> > > >> cbos>en > > >> Password: [hit enter] > > >> cbos#set nvram erase > > >> [warns that you have to write to make it effective] > > >> cbos#write > > >> cbos#rboot > > >> [and it hangs...] > > >> > > >> Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! > > >> > > >> I'm stumped. What's next? > > >> > > >> gs > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > > "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." > > James Bond - The World Is Not Enough > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- > linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- > linux.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Jul 22 16:04:04 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTMLmode) References: <3979FF7D.C99A3C79@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <397A0C44.6C1C850C@tcfreenet.org> > Getting back to the home, end, delete, insert keys, I realized a while > after I started using Linux that I was not able to use those keys in > most situations, and it got really annoying. Now, after using pico for > so long, I don't use home and end much anymore. To get to the end of a > line, I go down a line, get to the beginning of that line, and do one > more left-arrow keystroke to get to the end of the previous line. It > really annoys me that this doesn't work in vi, as the arrow keys won't > wrap around to the next/previous line when you reach the beginning or > end. Oooh, I just ran into this today. ;) (Also a newbie vi user) Escape to command mode, i is to insert befor cursor, right? a will append after cursor. Now a capital A will append at the end of the line, and I will insert before the line. Nuked jed, making myself use vi. Yup. Its not so bad when you got a cheat sheet. ;) > guess the Motif text widget must be really good. I don't particularly > like the text editing widget in Gtk, as it doesn't let the home and end > keys work in a way that I like (well, maybe there's an option > somewhere...). If a line wraps around, the home and end keys can take > you to the beginning or end of an entire paragraph. Yucky.. It might just be the version I have, but the GTK editor widget is slooooooooow. Like, a 3 second delay for every charachter typed to show. Scrolling is slooow... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Jul 22 17:55:41 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19774] Fwd: Returned Mail: Recipient no longer with company In-Reply-To: <20000722152725.A29423@localhost> from Ben Lutgens at "Jul 22, 2000 03:27:25 pm" Message-ID: Ben Lutgens said: > Is anyone else getting these everytime they post? Yep. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 22 18:36:57 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19778] contract ? Message-ID: <200007222337.e6MNb2206297@sprite.real-time.com> this is a nice mailing list but i'll say what i want to say THAT'S bullsh*T f*ck them all, f*ck the company and sue them sincerely kozmik > Hello, > > I've been involved in an LGPL, GPL and GFDL licensed project for about a > year now. Recently the project was contacted by a for profit business via > our mailing list. Their letter stated, we'd like to pay the developers to > work full-time on . They've stated that we'll develop the > product under the licenses which we're currently using and that it's their > intention to be an Open Source company. > > Well, I moved to a foriegn country, can't speak the language and I'm > going broke because I haven't been paid. I've been working here for a > month. > > I'm not being paid because I refuse to sign a contract which includes > non-competition and confidentiality clauses that would render me > unable to "freely" use the product which I've helped develop. > > I've written and sent a letter to the GNU people and am awaiting their > response. I am very open to hearing from anyone that has more insite or > experience with this type of scenario than I have. If I'm ignorant about > this situation, I'd like to hear about it; otherwise, I'm going to put on > my swimming trunks and aim my tired ass at the statue of liberty. > > I realize that I'm being extremely vague but the situation is > rather delicate and I'm not ready to go balistic, yet! If you > reply to the list and you can help but need more details, I'd probably be > willing to provide the necesary information privately. Ah, bet maybe you'd > have to write a statement for treating the situation confidentialy. :) > > Ron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 22 18:37:35 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19778] contract ? Message-ID: <200007222337.e6MNbj206301@sprite.real-time.com> if the foreing language is spain i have friends there :) > Hello, > > I've been involved in an LGPL, GPL and GFDL licensed project for about a > year now. Recently the project was contacted by a for profit business via > our mailing list. Their letter stated, we'd like to pay the developers to > work full-time on . They've stated that we'll develop the > product under the licenses which we're currently using and that it's their > intention to be an Open Source company. > > Well, I moved to a foriegn country, can't speak the language and I'm > going broke because I haven't been paid. I've been working here for a > month. > > I'm not being paid because I refuse to sign a contract which includes > non-competition and confidentiality clauses that would render me > unable to "freely" use the product which I've helped develop. > > I've written and sent a letter to the GNU people and am awaiting their > response. I am very open to hearing from anyone that has more insite or > experience with this type of scenario than I have. If I'm ignorant about > this situation, I'd like to hear about it; otherwise, I'm going to put on > my swimming trunks and aim my tired ass at the statue of liberty. > > I realize that I'm being extremely vague but the situation is > rather delicate and I'm not ready to go balistic, yet! If you > reply to the list and you can help but need more details, I'd probably be > willing to provide the necesary information privately. Ah, bet maybe you'd > have to write a statement for treating the situation confidentialy. :) > > Ron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 22 21:39:15 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George M Swan III) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19784] Whew! [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem Message-ID: <200007230239.VAA18746@www1.software.umn.edu> Somehow I've managed to configure this 675 without using a serial connection to set password and change the inside address that's receiving the commands to change the inside address that's receiving the commands.... etc. etc. ... beats me! I don't know what I did. gs > George Swan wrote: > > > > JFYI: The pingy-thingy goes > > > > c:\>ping 10.0.0.1 > > > > Pinging 10.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data: > > > > Reply from 192.168.30.21: Destination net unreachable. > > Request timed out. > > Request timed out. > > Request timed out. > > c:\> > > > > What does that "Reply from 192.168.30.21" mean? That's not the assigned > > external IP, nor either of the DNS's, nor... is it anywhere in a file on > > c:\ ... so (big guess on my part here) does that mean it's on the eth-card > > or in the modem? Where else do I look to change this? (The dhcp(?) ip > > >from the dial-up connection I'm on????) > > 192.168.30.21 is probably your gateway, or a host a few hops upstream. > Since (I assume) your ethernet card is not configured with a 10.x.y.z > address, you cannot ping the router directly. You have to (temporarily) > change your IP address to be 10.0.0.2/255.0.0.0 or something similar in > order to talk to the router. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ !seineew era sreenigne > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tfosorciM > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Jul 22 21:42:47 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem References: Message-ID: <002c01bff44f$af95ff60$0100a8c0@cascade> You will only be able to connect with telnet after that if the machine you aret telneting from is configured for the same telnet. Hyperterm works fine by the way - you must try it again. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Swan" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem > I'm stumped: > > >From Windows NT: > > I couldn't connect using Hyperterm, so I used telnet,... > followed the instructions from visi (or thought I was), > > cbos>en > Password: [hit enter] > cbos#set nvram erase > [warns that you have to write to make it effective] > cbos#write > cbos#rboot > [and it hangs...] > > Now I cannot even connect with telnet!!! > > I'm stumped. What's next? > > gs > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Jul 22 21:44:41 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem References: Message-ID: <003901bff44f$f38078e0$0100a8c0@cascade> You won't be able to ping 10.0.0.1 from 192.168.30.21 - not unless you have one hell of a huge subnet!!! Try changing the IP address of your computer to 10.0.0.2 first. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Swan" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19758] Configuring 675 modem > JFYI: The pingy-thingy goes > > c:\>ping 10.0.0.1 > > Pinging 10.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data: > > Reply from 192.168.30.21: Destination net unreachable. > Request timed out. > Request timed out. > Request timed out. > c:\> > > What does that "Reply from 192.168.30.21" mean? That's not the assigned > external IP, nor either of the DNS's, nor... is it anywhere in a file on > c:\ ... so (big guess on my part here) does that mean it's on the eth-card > or in the modem? Where else do I look to change this? (The dhcp(?) ip > >from the dial-up connection I'm on????) > > gs > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Jul 22 23:01:33 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19778] contract ? In-Reply-To: ; from parker@mi-recordz.com on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 03:48:31PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000722230133.E24122@ringworld.org> * parker@mi-recordz.com [000722 15:53]: > I'm not being paid because I refuse to sign a contract which includes > non-competition and confidentiality clauses that would render me > unable to "freely" use the product which I've helped develop. Curtly remind them of how much of a pain it would be to sue you when you move back into the states if they feel that you have broken-their-rules. Personally, the confidentaility agreements only work if the 'ideas' are thigns that were discussed internally, but never made it to code or text. When/if they make it to code/text, there is very little they can use saying "But that was a trade secret!". Still. Thats fscking weird. I hope RMS/FSF take a look at your precidiment. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. 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In-Reply-To: <20000722230133.E24122@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:01:33PM -0500 References: <20000722230133.E24122@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000723014520.A2227@localhost> On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:01:33PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >* parker@mi-recordz.com [000722 15:53]: > >Still. Thats fscking weird. I hope RMS/FSF take a look at your >precidiment. > Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they bother with the project. Maybe it's "beneath" them cause it's not emacs or the linux kernel (or something as huge) at stake. Post to slashdork if they do. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Jul 23 01:53:40 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19778] contract ? In-Reply-To: <20000723014520.A2227@localhost>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 01:45:20AM -0500 References: <20000722230133.E24122@ringworld.org> <20000723014520.A2227@localhost> Message-ID: <20000723015340.F24122@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [000723 01:46]: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:01:33PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > >* parker@mi-recordz.com [000722 15:53]: > > > >Still. Thats fscking weird. I hope RMS/FSF take a look at your > >precidiment. > > > Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they bother with the project. Maybe it's > "beneath" them cause it's not emacs or the linux kernel (or something as huge) > at stake. Post to slashdork if they do. Actually. post to kuro5hin *now*. I can do it for you ron if you dont mind. (www.kuro5hin.org) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight internet stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your point concerning trade secrets is correct, in my opinion. This company can't stop me from duplicating their product or from working to help someone else duplicate their product. Who the hell wants to work for someone that's dumb enough to concern themselves with these issues. It didn't even occur to me that I could walk into a culture of visionless, unimaginative mental midgets. Well, that's a little harsh but it's closer to reality than where they're coming from. Meanwhile, consider me naive. I thought, "this is GPL Country and we've been discovered. Themz Frogs is gotta be swingin' Louisville Sluggers." It's the damned bandwagon phenomena, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss," Pete Townsend. Things are coming to a boil. It seems my immediate boss, who's on the side of open source has been reprimanded. I think there's a last chance for me to get through to the "Man." BTW, I've seen the Statue of Liberty over here and it's a hell of alot smaller than our version. :) Ron > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > Wait. Watch. Wonder. > -J > > Fight internet stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From parker at mi-recordz.com Sun Jul 23 10:42:39 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19778] contract ? Message-ID: > if the foreing language is spain i have friends there :) It's French but thanks for the thought. :) Ron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Sun Jul 23 15:43:55 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19792] Booting Raid 5 on Compaq Proliant Message-ID: I have a Compaq (I know, I know. It wasn't my choice!) Proliant ML-370 server with an ICP Vortex GDT60518RS RAID controller installed, connected to 5 9GB drives. I am trying to install Red Hat 6.2 on this machine, using the ICP Vortex controller's BIOS to set up a RAID 5 array, using 4 of the drives, and one drive as a hot spare. The logic here is that Linux should see this array as one large disk, with all the RAID minutiae handled from the Vortex card. When setting up Red Hat 6.2, I can use the expert mode to detect the RAID controller, and install goes fine. However, the machine will only boot from the boot floppy. Does anyone have experience with a similar setup? Any pointers to help me boot this machine from LILO instead of a floppy would be great. Thanks! -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 23 17:24:01 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com>; from heilja@varsityonline.com on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 03:44:40PM -0500 References: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: <20000723172401.C10304@real-time.com> Quoting Joseph Heil (heilja@varsityonline.com): > > Guys, > > I need some ammunition here. I am in the process of evaluating VALinux and > Compaq high end hardware for a high availability solution for my > companies website. The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that > financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. > I need some hard evidence that VALinux is a stable company and the > have rock solid solutions. I have heard through some admins, that > the Compaq Linux solution is not as solid as VALinux's. Finally, I have > two VALinux servers in use, now, as development and production webservers, > so I know they work and work well. He bias runs pretty deep, kinda like > the people who would die for MS. So I would appreciate any leads anyone can > give me on helping me educate my boss. > Will the VA boxen run NT or Linux? As you know, we are almost VA exclusive at Real Time, there is exceptional Sparc Linux box. But VA kicks all over Compaq when it comes to the bang for the buck. We had a client buy some high end Compaq hardware, they also rock, but the cost has monsterous. I did not so the install on the Compaq boxen, Nate any comments on the install? I do share in the admin of the Compaq boxen and they seem to be rock solid. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 23 17:24:01 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:19793] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com>; from heilja@varsityonline.com on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 03:44:40PM -0500 References: <20000718154440.B10629@master.varsityonline.com> Message-ID: <20000723172401.C10304@real-time.com> Quoting Joseph Heil (heilja@varsityonline.com): > > Guys, > > I need some ammunition here. I am in the process of evaluating VALinux and > Compaq high end hardware for a high availability solution for my > companies website. The CTO wants nothing to do with VALinux, says that > financially are unstable and products unproved, as compared to Compaq. > I need some hard evidence that VALinux is a stable company and the > have rock solid solutions. I have heard through some admins, that > the Compaq Linux solution is not as solid as VALinux's. Finally, I have > two VALinux servers in use, now, as development and production webservers, > so I know they work and work well. He bias runs pretty deep, kinda like > the people who would die for MS. So I would appreciate any leads anyone can > give me on helping me educate my boss. > Will the VA boxen run NT or Linux? As you know, we are almost VA exclusive at Real Time, there is exceptional Sparc Linux box. But VA kicks all over Compaq when it comes to the bang for the buck. We had a client buy some high end Compaq hardware, they also rock, but the cost has monsterous. I did not so the install on the Compaq boxen, Nate any comments on the install? I do share in the admin of the Compaq boxen and they seem to be rock solid. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 24 10:05:44 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? Message-ID: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> Greetings, I have installed Debian 2.1 (at least that is what it said on the disk, IIRC) on a 486SX25/16MB/420HD to act as a Samba/Netatalk print server. I had the easiest time installing and upgrading the packages, thank you Debian pushers. I think I know the upsides to this setup: (1) zero cost hardware, (2) quick and easy software administration (dselect has a 'different' UI (IMO) but it is great if you want to know what you have installed and yes, apt-get is fabulous); but I want to know of the downsides I might not be aware of. Are there any? Has anyone used hardware this slow and upgraded the kernel to a 2.2.x version, and is it the 'win-lose' proposition I expect it is (more modern but slower)? If you have the time, any advice would be appreciated. Thank you, Troy -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ The two pillars of `political correctness' are, a) willful ignorance, and b) a steadfast refusal to face the truth -- George MacDonald Fraser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 24 10:54:42 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19796] [OT] Canon BJC-6000 at Best Buy Message-ID: <397C66C2.B6B1FD7D@tc.umn.edu> Not totally off topic, but slightly perhaps. This printer is on sale at Best Buy for $80 - $50 mail-in rebate and a $20 gift card via mail-in also. So, if you can see yourself spending $20 at Best Buy in the future, it is eventually a $10 (+ tax on $80) printer. The bad part is that it is only partially supported under Linux: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=71392 Perhaps I will try and change this. Hmmm... -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I bought a self learning record to learn spanish, I turned it on and went to sleep, the record got stuck, the next day I could only stutter in spanish. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Mon Jul 24 03:27:23 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? Message-ID: <200007240827.DAA07300@nitz.hep.umn.edu> "Troy A. Johnson" schreib: > ... but I want to know of the downsides [of Debian] I might not be aware > of. Are there any? Has anyone used > hardware this slow and upgraded the kernel to a 2.2.x version, and is it > the 'win-lose' proposition I expect it is (more modern but slower)? If > you have the time, any advice would be appreciated. Thank you, I'm running 2.2.15 on a 486/33 as a firewall, no problems yet. I highly recommend actually compiling the kernel elsewhere though. Perhaps on a nice fast Athlon. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jul 24 11:48:18 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? In-Reply-To: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> from "Troy A. Johnson" at "Jul 24, 2000 10:05:44 am" Message-ID: Troy A. Johnson said: > I want to know of the > downsides I might not be aware of. Are there any? I can think of two things that tend to bother people (other than dselect's UI): 1) "Debian is too far behind." The stable distro isn't updated as often as many people would like, but I've had extremely few problems with running unstable (and those few were invariably fixed within a day), so this is a non-issue for me. And it's pretty easy to run a mix of versions if you want to stick with stable, but need a few things that are only present in unstable. 2) "Too many things aren't available as debs." Yes, it's true - for whatever reason, Red Hat is the 'default' Linux flavor, so RPMs are a lot easier to find than debs. That's why someone invented alien. (As you may have guessed, I consider these 'problems' to sit somewhere between 'spurious' and 'insignificant' on the severity scale.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 24 12:05:27 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:19793] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000723172401.C10304@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Will the VA boxen run NT or Linux? > > As you know, we are almost VA exclusive at Real Time, there is exceptional > Sparc Linux box. But VA kicks all over Compaq when it comes to the bang for > the buck. > > We had a client buy some high end Compaq hardware, they also rock, but the > cost has monsterous. > > I did not so the install on the Compaq boxen, Nate any comments on the > install? Everything supported out of the box (even their Raid controller).. the RAID config software was really nasty (have to boot off a cd and then go in to it, etc).. really ugly. I much prefer Mylex's BIOS-level configuration utility... Other than that, my only complaint is the lack of raid status while the machine is running. With the Mylex controllers, you can get status on individual disks, etc. With the Compaq, all I've been able to get is general status (OK, Dead Drive, Panic).. > I do share in the admin of the Compaq boxen and they seem to be rock solid. That they are. The one thing I prefer about the compaqs over the VA's is dual hotswap power supplies in a 4u.. where with VA, you have to go to their 7u case to get that.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 24 12:05:27 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:19793] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19672] VALinux vs Compaq In-Reply-To: <20000723172401.C10304@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Will the VA boxen run NT or Linux? > > As you know, we are almost VA exclusive at Real Time, there is exceptional > Sparc Linux box. But VA kicks all over Compaq when it comes to the bang for > the buck. > > We had a client buy some high end Compaq hardware, they also rock, but the > cost has monsterous. > > I did not so the install on the Compaq boxen, Nate any comments on the > install? Everything supported out of the box (even their Raid controller).. the RAID config software was really nasty (have to boot off a cd and then go in to it, etc).. really ugly. I much prefer Mylex's BIOS-level configuration utility... Other than that, my only complaint is the lack of raid status while the machine is running. With the Mylex controllers, you can get status on individual disks, etc. With the Compaq, all I've been able to get is general status (OK, Dead Drive, Panic).. > I do share in the admin of the Compaq boxen and they seem to be rock solid. That they are. The one thing I prefer about the compaqs over the VA's is dual hotswap power supplies in a 4u.. where with VA, you have to go to their 7u case to get that.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 24 12:25:09 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19799] Above.Net.. Message-ID: Just curious, have any of you had REALLY REALLY bad experiences with AboveNet? One of our (large) clients colocates a couple servers in Above Net's colocation room in Washington DC. The setup is 3 boxes behind 1 firewall, all running Linux. Last night, for reasons still undetermined (anyone ever seen 2.2.14smp lock solid without leaving ANY logs of any kind?), their firewall box crashed, and therefore all the machines became unreachable. Well, I called Above.Net, and the dork claimed that they had a bad router, and that he was able to ping our machines. I left him my pager number, and went to bed. At around 3:30-4:00 am, he paged me and let me know that they were still having router issues, and he would let me know when they were fixed.. I got up around 10, and they still weren't up. I called Above.Net, and the guy I got this morning said they hadn't had any routers, and he could not ping our boxes. I had him go in and look on the screen, and he said something about the kernel. In an attempt to get the boxes up quick, I had him reset the machine without getting all the logs. (He didn't understand it anyways, which would make it harder to get right.. it did _NOT_ sound like a standard kernel panic/oops though.) He rebooted the machine, and after waiting for a fsck, everything came back up. So, 14 hours of downtime, because some guy at above.net said he could ping our box when he couldn't. My personal bet is that they did indeed have some router problems, and he just said "yeah, i can ping the box" without trying, assuming it was still up. Just pisses me off, and I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Mon Jul 24 12:52:44 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19737] hello? (Citrix Metaframe) Message-ID: I run two metaframe servers, one using citrix winframe, and one using windows terminal server. They work, but they take GOBS of admin time. You must remember there's nothing about Windows NT's design that enables it to be a real multi-user environment. I'd consider either product a tremendous hack, and most every application has a seriously hard time dealing the the concept (gasp!) of multiple users using the same applicationat the same time. So you have to wrap everything in registry hacking scripts in order to make it work, set up your profiles seperatrely, etc, etc. That wouldn't be SO bad, if Microsoft wanted their Windows Terminal Server product to exist, but they don't. So they charge you an arm and a leg for it, plus Citrix ain't cheap, and any non ICA (Citrix's terminal protocol) prouct is even more. I don't recommend it unless you're at a company with deep pockets. Jer -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:48 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:19737] hello? list seemed kidna dead today.. figured i'd start something off.. citrix metaframe to provide windows apps to linux networks.. good? bad? anyone besides chewie used it before? :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 24 13:33:44 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? In-Reply-To: ; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 11:48:18AM -0500 References: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000724133343.S24122@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherohman [000724 11:49]: > Troy A. Johnson said: > > I want to know of the > > downsides I might not be aware of. Are there any? > > I can think of two things that tend to bother people (other than dselect's > UI): Uh. dselect *will* grow on you. Learn the keys and the indicators, its a really slick packaging system, more powerful than anything out there. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight internet stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > I run two metaframe servers, one using citrix winframe, and one using > windows terminal server. > > They work, but they take GOBS of admin time. You must remember there's > nothing about Windows NT's design that enables it to be a real multi-user > environment. I'd consider either product a tremendous hack, and most every > application has a seriously hard time dealing the the concept (gasp!) of > multiple users using the same applicationat the same time. So you have to > wrap everything in registry hacking scripts in order to make it work, set up > your profiles seperatrely, etc, etc. > > That wouldn't be SO bad, if Microsoft wanted their Windows Terminal Server > product to exist, but they don't. So they charge you an arm and a leg for > it, plus Citrix ain't cheap, and any non ICA (Citrix's terminal protocol) > prouct is even more. > > I don't recommend it unless you're at a company with deep pockets. > > Jer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:48 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:19737] hello? > > > list seemed kidna dead today.. figured i'd start something off.. > > citrix metaframe to provide windows apps to linux > networks.. good? bad? anyone besides chewie used it before? :) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 24 13:40:31 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19799] Above.Net.. In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:25:09PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000724134031.A21672@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [000724 12:25]: > Just curious, have any of you had REALLY REALLY bad experiences with > AboveNet? I would personally run, and find a place like voxel.net with people who *know* linux and they hook right into frontier's globalcenter location. http://hosting.voxel.net/network.shtml says that they hook their 7200 right up to their 7200. Plus, they donate some profits to GPL stuff and they offer a 30-day trial. I dont know if they do colocates tho. dont see it on the page, but so far the person i have spoke with over there via irc seems to know whats going on very well. good luck! -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org Wait. Watch. Wonder. -J Fight internet stupidity, blackhole cybercreek.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I think I can do better, I can write my own front end to dpkg ;-) -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I have a hobby...I have the world's largest collection of sea shells. I keep it scattered on beaches all over the world. Maybe you've seen some of it... -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Mon Jul 24 14:07:51 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19805] FW: O Reilly Open Source News, etc. Message-ID: This was originally send to some friends and co-workers. Excuse the opinions and assumptions about your knowledge levels. Hiya All, Logging in from my Hotel Room at the Monterey Marriot, fully equipped with DSL (totally free if you're using ssh only!). Just wanted to let you know the fun information I learned about what's going on in the open source world. Let me just give you the information chronologically--if you don't understand some of the TLA's or terms I'm using, ask me about them later. I'm too lazy to tailor an email to everyone who's going to be getting this message. First day: New O'Reilly Books coming out/just released. Perl for System Administrators Programming Perl, 3rd Edition (The Camel book becomes comprehensible. I've always thought this one was a bad book to try to learn perl from because it wasn't functionally oriented. This new edition keeps all the same information, but is much better, I think) Understanding the Linux Kernel! Tutorials: Beginning Python: This was a pretty good class, but I guess I find nothing so great about Python that it beats out Perl in my book. It's kind of the "OS/2" of languages: better organized than many languages, and built upon a cleaner base, but having some annoyances that make the uglier but MUCH better supported competitor win out (in this case being whitespace sensitive...ick!). PHP: On the other hand, PHP is DA BOMB for doing simple web work that isn't complicated enough to need Perl or C, and even some that isn't. There are some things in any cgi language that would take forty lines of code that take three in PHP, and it's actually MORE efficient. Plus modules for things like image and PDF generation; it's now my web development language of choice. Apache Security: This was taught by Lincoln Stein, who had done huge amounts of work with the web and perl, but most recently brought us the napster perl module (whoo hoo!) It was very informative at the end, but the security information was a little basic. Linux Security: This was simply too basic. I was hoping they'd get into things like pam, complex ssh configuration, sniffing tools, netcat, etc: instead it was your typical intro security class. Other sessions: StarOffice is going Open Source (no news for those who read Slashdot). I talked to them about a number of things, including Anti-Aliasing support (it's in there with Gnome...maybe with others later) Security for their Basic language (think Macro viruses--they claim Java is their new scripting language) and response files for installation. That's COOL. Mozilla looks like it's going well, although I was VERY disappointed by the answer I received as to how they went about evaluating and setting the standards for the GUI. The answer was basically that they made it competitive, and the "best GUI" won. I don't buy that for GUIs, and so I'm worried that even if Mozilla is bulletproof it's going to have a default GUI that's crap. Samba looks well on it's way to being ready to be a drop in replacement for Windows NT 4.0 Server by the first quarter next year. DFS support should be here by the end of 3rd quarter, and it should be able to function completely transparently as a PDC or BDC including proper print sharing by early next year. I'm not sure about active directory services, though, but DFS is a good start. The only "event" I really enjoyed was of course the "Internet Quiz Show" by John Orwant, who is a former college bowl player. The last question was something like: "President Bill Clinton recently signed into law the Digital Signature act, and did this by using a special terminal which took his name and password. The password used by the leader of the free world was five characters, all lower case, and was the name of his DOG. What was Clinton's password?" Monterey is beautiful, but I'm eager to get on to San Francisco. I had a lot of seafood and just got done biking the 17 mile drive. Should be a party for the rest of the weekend. See you all later. Jer When all else fails, men turn to reason. --Abba Eban --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Jul 24 14:14:12 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > 1) "Debian is too far behind." The stable distro isn't updated as often as > many people would like, but I've had extremely few problems with running > unstable (and those few were invariably fixed within a day), so this is a > non-issue for me. And it's pretty easy to run a mix of versions if you want > to stick with stable, but need a few things that are only present in > unstable. Actually I made a startling discovery the other day: there are *no* PHP4 RPMs anywhere in RedHat's distro *or* libc6 contrib mirrors (that I could find). Yet even potato (debian's current frozen, soon-to-be-release distro) has a full complement of PHP packages. Point: in a growing number of cases, it seems that Debian's growing developer base and centralized package structure (keeping all packages well organized into clear, obvious sections) is beginning to really pay off -- and yes, it seems Debian is pulling ahead of RedHat in keeping packages current (*hugs*unstable*). :) > 2) "Too many things aren't available as debs." Yes, it's true - for > whatever reason, Red Hat is the 'default' Linux flavor, so RPMs are a lot > easier to find than debs. That's why someone invented alien. See above. And in addition to alien, there's stow (./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/pkgname; make install; stow -vvv /usr/local/stow/pkgname), and there's always debhelper for compiling software into Debian packages. :) Don't take me too seriously here. I'm just shooting my mouth off again. :) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 24 15:01:15 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19737] hello? (Citrix Metaframe) References: Message-ID: <397CA08B.D3F3938B@ltiflex.com> > yea, that's my current problem, we arn't a company with deep pockets, yet > we have these windows apps that we can't live without.. (supplier > provided, no souce, crappy VB/access stuff) and we need them avaliable > all over the place for part info lookup. Personally, I like NT TSE/Citrix Metaframe. It makes updating the one windows app (Vista, by Epicor) less of a headache. Granted, it's NT, and has become unstable in the past few weeks, but, it is a useful tool. You will have to be careful with what hardware and software you run on it though. MS Office and Vista deal with it nicely enough. We didn't have much luck with Powerway though, even though they claim to support TSE. Yes, it's a hack job. But the ICA protocol itself is nothing short of amazing. You can hack X all you want and still have issues over a 28.8. Running a Citrix session is bearable at this speed. IF you have that one blasted windows app that you just can't get rid of anytime soon (probally an accounting, mrp/erp/edi package) and want to go UNIX clients, it's definitly a good option. If on the other hand you want to run say, WYSE thin clients everywhere, run the other way or empty thy pockets. Go for a remote distribution system. It is a good product, it definitly has it's uses, but it's far from ideal, espically in a high avaliblity situation. You might want to consider looking into outsourcing the whole mess to an Application Service Provider. Let them foot the cost of the hardware and software, and let them deliver the programs to your clients via ICA. You loose a bit of administrative control, but it might cost less. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 24 15:04:06 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? References: Message-ID: <397CA136.18002F6D@ltiflex.com> > See above. And in addition to alien, there's stow (./configure > --prefix=/usr/local/stow/pkgname; make install; stow -vvv > /usr/local/stow/pkgname), and there's always debhelper for compiling > software into Debian packages. :) Aww c'mon, stow rocks. Yes friends, just because the latest version of a program isn't available in binary doesn't mean that you can't compile it yourself. Stow is a great tool for managing this without having to make your own packages. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jul 24 15:38:40 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? In-Reply-To: <20000724133343.S24122@ringworld.org> from Scott Dier at "Jul 24, 2000 01:33:44 pm" Message-ID: Scott Dier said: > * Dave Sherohman [000724 11:49]: > > I can think of two things that tend to bother people (other than dselect's > > UI): > > Uh. dselect *will* grow on you. Learn the keys and the indicators, its > a really slick packaging system, more powerful than anything out there. *shrug* I dunno about dselect (I find myself using it less and less as time goes on), but apt is a thing of beauty... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Mon Jul 24 16:54:21 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19757] Editors, keybindings, color, etc. (was: Emacs HTMLmode) In-Reply-To: ; from Luke Francl on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:11:21AM -0500 References: <39794F0E.1EEEFC90@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000724165421.B27410@ravendusk.org> [ Ooops, forgot to send this... ] On Jul 22, 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > > > I also (need)/(really, really want) to have colorized text. I know this > > is a feature on many editors, but it's never easy to find. > > Does anyone know how to turn this on in plain Emacs? I know it's possible, > but I don't know how! Sure, put this in your .emacs: (global-font-lock-mode t) > vi never wraps lines, which is annoying for writing long things (which is > why I'm writing in Emacs right now). Try ':set textwidth=72' or something similar. That turns on autowrapping. > Though I am not getting tab support in HTML mode like > in C mode. Does this feature exist, or is all Emacs-HTML unindented? Are you using PSGML mode, or just plain Emacs? PSGML supports C-mode style tabbing. John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jul 24 18:36:48 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19811] Amanda encryption/security? Message-ID: <20000724183648.O27153@real-time.com> I've been testing out the Amanda backup system lately; and am wondering about security on it. As I understand the documentation, backing up Windows machines is done with tar or smbtar from a Samba server; which is plaintext. Also, while Amanda can use Kerberos authentication; it doesn't mention encrypting the backup traffic. so how can one go about securing Amanda traffic? Carl Soderstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (612) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Jul 24 18:58:49 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19799] Above.Net.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > (anyone ever seen 2.2.14smp lock solid without leaving ANY logs of any > kind?) Yes, on my home machine. I thought it was just me, but I've heard of others with similar problems. Happens about every month or so. I've been to lazy to upgrade my kernel so far, though I hear that might be a fix. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 24 19:53:47 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19796] [OT] Canon BJC-6000 at Best Buy References: <397C66C2.B6B1FD7D@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <397CE51B.3C663AEF@tcfreenet.org> > Not totally off topic, but slightly perhaps. > > This printer is on sale at Best Buy for $80 - $50 mail-in rebate and a > $20 gift card via mail-in also. So, if you can see yourself spending $20 > at Best Buy in the future, it is eventually a $10 (+ tax on $80) > printer. > > The bad part is that it is only partially supported under Linux: > http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=71392 > > Perhaps I will try and change this. Hmmm... Works fine for me. :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 24 20:02:12 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? References: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> <20000724133343.S24122@ringworld.org> <397C928E.147F3157@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <397CE714.60B91F66@tcfreenet.org> > > Uh. dselect *will* grow on you. Learn the keys and the indicators, its > > a really slick packaging system, more powerful than anything out there. > > Of that I have no doubt. I called dselect 'different' because it isn't > terrible, just different. If I think I can do better, I can write my own > front end to dpkg ;-) Suggestions/Reccomendations are a really dumb idea if you ask me. I'm sick of getting a huge list of crap I don't want because this suggests that, and that suggests this other thing, etc... And having to sort through what is required, and what is merely suggested. Mostly its the UI that sucks. No way to tell at a glance... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 24 20:02:47 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? References: Message-ID: <397CE737.3B8A2757@tcfreenet.org> > Point: in a growing number of cases, it seems that Debian's growing > developer base and centralized package structure (keeping all packages > well organized into clear, obvious sections) is beginning to really pay > off -- and yes, it seems Debian is pulling ahead of RedHat in keeping > packages current (*hugs*unstable*). :) Can I get XFree 4.0.1? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 24 20:07:50 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? References: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <397CE866.5E6C4F57@tcfreenet.org> > installed and yes, apt-get is fabulous); but I want to know of the > downsides I might not be aware of. Are there any? Has anyone used > hardware this slow and upgraded the kernel to a 2.2.x version, and is it > the 'win-lose' proposition I expect it is (more modern but slower)? If > you have the time, any advice would be appreciated. Thank you, Kernel 2.2 runs fine on 486s. I'm running debian on a dx2/66 and package management is whats slooooow. Installing packages takes forever. Its the unpacking stage that takes forever. Its insane, I don't get it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 24 21:00:47 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19811] Amanda encryption/security? References: <20000724183648.O27153@real-time.com> Message-ID: <397CF4CF.3607AFED@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I've been testing out the Amanda backup system lately; and am wondering about security on it. > As I understand the documentation, backing up Windows machines is done with tar or smbtar from a Samba server; which is plaintext. Also, while Amanda can use Kerberos authentication; it doesn't mention encrypting the backup traffic. > > so how can one go about securing Amanda traffic? It looks like there is a patch or two out there that would give Amanda the ability to be tunneled through SSL. One of them is here: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~pkern/stuff/amanda-patch/ Other references that I've found so far seem to indicate that encryption will be enabled in the 2.5.x series of Amanda, but I don't know when that will appear. I'm interested in this, too. At work, we are still running ufsdump (for Solaris), which requires at least some of those dreaded r* programs. (Apparently, Linux's dump(8) program can handle SSH, just FYI.) Would you recommend Amanda (apart from the encryption issue)? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you saw a heat wave, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ would you wave back? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Jul 24 21:01:38 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Actually I made a startling discovery the other day: there are *no* PHP4 > RPMs anywhere in RedHat's distro *or* libc6 contrib mirrors (that I could > find). Yet even potato (debian's current frozen, soon-to-be-release > distro) has a full complement of PHP packages. See: http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/... ...php-4.0.1pl2-2mdk.i586.html ...php-devel-4.0.1pl2-2mdk.i586.html ...php-manual-4.0.1pl2-2mdk.i586.html ...php-standalone-4.0.1pl2-2mdk.i586.html > Don't take me too seriously here. I'm just shooting my mouth off again. :) No worries. Andy > > Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa > Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jul 24 21:11:02 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? In-Reply-To: <397CE866.5E6C4F57@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:07:50PM -0500 References: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> <397CE866.5E6C4F57@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000724211102.A11784@wookimus.net> On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:07:50PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > installed and yes, apt-get is fabulous); but I want to know of the > > downsides I might not be aware of. Are there any? Has anyone used > > hardware this slow and upgraded the kernel to a 2.2.x version, and > > is it the 'win-lose' proposition I expect it is (more modern but > > slower)? If you have the time, any advice would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Kernel 2.2 runs fine on 486s. I'm running debian on a dx2/66 and > package management is whats slooooow. Installing packages takes > forever. Its the unpacking stage that takes forever. Its insane, I > don't get it... Heh. You don't get it? Might it be that you're trying to uncompress a -9 gzipped tar file on extremely old and crochity hardware? Might it be that you have an old IDE or old SCSI that just doesn't compete with your blazing UDMA IDE or Ultra-wide SCSI. Could it be that dpkg uses Perl extensively and that you're relying on Perl to interpret the installation scripts (sorry unavoidable). Hmm... Interpreted language on a 486 dx2/66... Na, that shouldn't be slow at all. *evil grin* -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mostly its the > UI that sucks. No way to tell at a glance... I agree that dselect's UI could be better. Try console-apt -- all the dependencies right there. You have to memorize keybindings, but what *n*x user is opposed to that? :) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sams at spacestar.net Mon Jul 24 21:28:25 2000 From: sams at spacestar.net (sams) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19821] Networking basics Message-ID: <002401bff5e0$033a6020$c899fea9@samselitepc> Hey folks---- I just installed Caldera 2.4 on a pentium200mmx. I used to have Red Hat on it but wanted to try something new and different an plus I was having a difficult time with the ethernet card driver. I like the look and feel of Caldera and the card appears to be set up. I am wondering about networking basics... I want to be able to telnet from my windows 98 machine over to the Linux box. Basically set up a network maybe even learn how to setup Samba down the road. I had MSnetworking in place when the linux box had windows on it and I think the card on the linux box is working too but I am lost on how to go about settingit all up. Does anyone have a cheatsheet that I can use as a resource on what domains to setup and what to use in MS98 to actually connect.... Maybe someone knows of a good resource for me to move into this new realm..... on 98 do I need to configure TCP/IP only? and On the linux box what IP addresses could I use? Thanks--- Maybe I should just bring the machine down to installfest and get some help redoing it..... :) Sam From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jul 25 08:57:44 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19737] hello? (Citrix Metaframe) References: Message-ID: <397D9CD8.B4878D5B@structural-wood.com> Ben Kochie wrote: > yea, that's my current problem, we arn't a company with deep pockets, yet > we have these windows apps that we can't live without.. (supplier > provided, no souce, crappy VB/access stuff) and we need them avaliable > all over the place for part info lookup. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) This is exactly the problem I have. We work with several large lumber companies and they all provide these awful visual basic programs to provide sizing information for their products. The damn things fail as often as they work - I consider the things less productive and more destructive than a virus. Unfortunately they will not provide sizing information in any other form (I've even offered to write sotware for them in a real language and been turned down - they consider visual basic to be a desirable feature). Ok, I've vented I feel better now. My interim solution is to have a single windows box hooked into the network and using VNC to allow our users to access to it via their X-Terminals one at a time. No one is happy. Oh well... Kent > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > > > > I run two metaframe servers, one using citrix winframe, and one using > > windows terminal server. > > > > They work, but they take GOBS of admin time. You must remember there's > > nothing about Windows NT's design that enables it to be a real multi-user > > environment. I'd consider either product a tremendous hack, and most every > > application has a seriously hard time dealing the the concept (gasp!) of > > multiple users using the same applicationat the same time. So you have to > > wrap everything in registry hacking scripts in order to make it work, set up > > your profiles seperatrely, etc, etc. > > > > That wouldn't be SO bad, if Microsoft wanted their Windows Terminal Server > > product to exist, but they don't. So they charge you an arm and a leg for > > it, plus Citrix ain't cheap, and any non ICA (Citrix's terminal protocol) > > prouct is even more. > > > > I don't recommend it unless you're at a company with deep pockets. > > > > Jer > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:48 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG:19737] hello? > > > > > > list seemed kidna dead today.. figured i'd start something off.. > > > > citrix metaframe to provide windows apps to linux > > networks.. good? bad? anyone besides chewie used it before? :) > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 25 10:05:58 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19799] Above.Net.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Chuck Milam wrote: > > (anyone ever seen 2.2.14smp lock solid without leaving ANY logs of any > > kind?) > > Yes, on my home machine. I thought it was just me, but I've heard of > others with similar problems. Happens about every month or so. I've been > to lazy to upgrade my kernel so far, though I hear that might be a fix. Well, I just upgraded the machine to 2.2.16.. this is the first time the box has had _any_ problems in around 9 months.. *sigh*.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mikeg at tcamerican.com Tue Jul 25 10:22:57 2000 From: mikeg at tcamerican.com (Mike Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19824] file system error Message-ID: <397D6A81.166.A41036@localhost> I am getting an error at boot time that concerns me. I am not exactly sure what it means. Perhaps someone can straighten this out for me. Let me begin by saying I used PowerQuest Drive Image 3.0 to make an image of one linux system and I restored it two a different PC with a drive that was of the same capacity, but a different brand (IBM Deskstar --> Maxtor DiamondMax). The system had Windows on it previously, and when I booted, I just saw 'LI' and the system hung. I booted with a linux floppy, logged in, typed 'LILO' and rebooted. The system came up fine except for the error below: Activating swap partitions swapon: /dev/hda2 : Invalid Argument The system appears to run fine however. Here is what my partition table looks like: Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System /dev/hda1 * 1 372 2988058+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 373 1010 5124735 5 Extended /dev/hda3 1011 1027 136552+ 82 Linux Swap /dev/hda5 373 1010 5124703+ 83 Linux I used fdisk delete my swap partition, then I recreated it. That didn't change anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Glaser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 25 10:31:43 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19824] file system error References: <397D6A81.166.A41036@localhost> Message-ID: <397DB2DF.36470758@tc.umn.edu> Mike, /dev/hda3 is the location of the swap partition, not /dev/hda2. Change that in the startup scripts. What distribution are you running? Troy Mike Glaser wrote: > > I am getting an error at boot time that concerns me. I am not > exactly sure what it means. Perhaps someone can straighten > this out for me. > > Let me begin by saying I used PowerQuest Drive Image 3.0 to > make an image of one linux system and I restored it two a > different PC with a drive that was of the same capacity, but a > different brand (IBM Deskstar --> Maxtor DiamondMax). The > system had Windows on it previously, and when I booted, I just > saw 'LI' and the system hung. I booted with a linux floppy, > logged in, typed 'LILO' and rebooted. The system came up fine > except for the error below: > > Activating swap partitions swapon: /dev/hda2 : Invalid Argument > > The system appears to run fine however. Here is what my > partition table looks like: > > Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System > /dev/hda1 * 1 372 2988058+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 373 1010 5124735 5 Extended > /dev/hda3 1011 1027 136552+ 82 Linux Swap > /dev/hda5 373 1010 5124703+ 83 Linux > > I used fdisk delete my swap partition, then I recreated it. That > didn't change anything. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mike Glaser > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. -- "Political Disquisitions", a British republican tract of 1774-1775 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Jul 25 12:48:01 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19811] Amanda encryption/security? In-Reply-To: <397CF4CF.3607AFED@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 09:00:47PM -0500 References: <20000724183648.O27153@real-time.com> <397CF4CF.3607AFED@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000725124801.Y27153@real-time.com> > http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~pkern/stuff/amanda-patch/ > > Other references that I've found so far seem to indicate that encryption > will be enabled in the 2.5.x series of Amanda, but I don't know when > that will appear. based on what I saw of the developers' presentation, 2.5 is the technology of the future; always has been, always will be... ;> the current thinking is to run the traffic over a VPN tunnel of some sort. > (Apparently, Linux's dump(8) program can handle SSH, just FYI.) really? I looked at it a while ago, and didn't think it handled SSH at the time. cool that it does. now we just need to get SSH support into 'tar'. (it already will work over the r* connection) >Would you recommend Amanda (apart from the encryption issue)? depends what you want to do with it. for casual users and those who have tape drives on each machine; I think it's entirely more complex than it needs to be. plain scripts using dump or tar (or cpio or afio) are much simpler and easier to understand. when doing backups/restores over a network, tho; it starts to make sense. this is what it's primarily designed to do; and has a lot of intelligent and useful features for this (local caching before writing to disk, intelligent scheduling). when dealing with an enterprise-scale environment; it's very good. it would seem to work well with tape changers, and the massively parallelizable, balanceable, and configurable network backup capabilities make it more than adequate. that said, I have no experience with Legato or Veritas' products; so I don't know how well it compares to them. Carl Soderstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (612) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 25 13:03:04 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19811] Amanda encryption/security? References: <20000724183648.O27153@real-time.com> <397CF4CF.3607AFED@tc.umn.edu> <20000725124801.Y27153@real-time.com> Message-ID: <397DD658.1EC9173F@tc.umn.edu> I asked the guys that came to talk about Amanda (thanks to the U and Sistina) and one of them said it is possible to tightly control which range of ports Amanda uses to communicate over the network. If you use ssh to forward those ports, you have an encrypted backup. Kludgy and untested, but it seems plausible. Anybody ever try this sort of thing? Troy Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~pkern/stuff/amanda-patch/ > > > > Other references that I've found so far seem to indicate that encryption > > will be enabled in the 2.5.x series of Amanda, but I don't know when > > that will appear. > based on what I saw of the developers' presentation, 2.5 is the technology of the future; always has been, always will be... ;> > > the current thinking is to run the traffic over a VPN tunnel of some sort. > > > (Apparently, Linux's dump(8) program can handle SSH, just FYI.) > really? I looked at it a while ago, and didn't think it handled SSH at the time. cool that it does. > now we just need to get SSH support into 'tar'. (it already will work over the r* connection) > > >Would you recommend Amanda (apart from the encryption issue)? > depends what you want to do with it. > for casual users and those who have tape drives on each machine; I think it's entirely more complex than it needs to be. plain scripts using dump or tar (or cpio or afio) are much simpler and easier to understand. > when doing backups/restores over a network, tho; it starts to make sense. this is what it's primarily designed to do; and has a lot of intelligent and useful features for this (local caching before writing to disk, intelligent scheduling). > when dealing with an enterprise-scale environment; it's very good. it would seem to work well with tape changers, and the massively parallelizable, balanceable, and configurable network backup capabilities make it more than adequate. > > that said, I have no experience with Legato or Veritas' products; so I don't know how well it compares to them. > > Carl Soderstrom > ------------------------------------------------------- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (612) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ When he gets older, I'd tell him he used to have a brother, but he didn't obey. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jul 25 13:22:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19811] Amanda encryption/security? In-Reply-To: <20000725124801.Y27153@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 12:48:01PM -0500 References: <20000724183648.O27153@real-time.com> <397CF4CF.3607AFED@tc.umn.edu> <20000725124801.Y27153@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000725132232.D43647@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > based on what I saw of the developers' presentation, 2.5 is the technology of the future; always has been, always will be... ;> > > the current thinking is to run the traffic over a VPN tunnel of some sort. You could just wrap it in stunnel. It's easy enough. > now we just need to get SSH support into 'tar'. (it already will work over the r* connection) Why won't ssh support tar? Just setup hosts.equiv and .rhosts files on the target machine. Works quite nicely, actually. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner X-President, ACM @ U of MN dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Jul 25 14:13:18 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19794] Downside to Debian? References: <397C5B47.BB3720F9@tc.umn.edu> <397CE866.5E6C4F57@tcfreenet.org> <20000724211102.A11784@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <397DE6CE.6F6F2313@tcfreenet.org> ^chewie wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:07:50PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > installed and yes, apt-get is fabulous); but I want to know of the > > > downsides I might not be aware of. Are there any? Has anyone used > > > hardware this slow and upgraded the kernel to a 2.2.x version, and > > > is it the 'win-lose' proposition I expect it is (more modern but > Heh. You don't get it? Might it be that you're trying to uncompress > a -9 gzipped tar file on extremely old and crochity hardware? Might Dunno about -9, but plain tar/gz goes much faster... > uses Perl extensively and that you're relying on Perl to interpret the > installation scripts (sorry unavoidable). Hmm... Interpreted This doesn't seem to be the slow part... :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Jul 25 14:28:41 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19737] hello? (Citrix Metaframe) References: <397D9CD8.B4878D5B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <397DEA69.87370120@ltiflex.com> VMware just might run some of the crap. Might be a cheaper option than Citrix if you have decently powerful client machines... -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Jul 25 15:23:20 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. References: <3978E9DF.3BEC8A81@real-time.com> Message-ID: <003301bff676$2d0c0700$6f21a0d8@gateway> This is kind of late but netscape already does this. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. > I've been using Netscape as my POP mail client at home and at work > for some time now. However I have been wanting a client that can filter > in coming mail into folders and trash based on email source and still > have support for MIME types and a nice GUI interface so I can show it > off at work. > > I've already looked at gtkmail and xfmail and neither are > appropriate. > > Does any one have any suggestions which of the hundred or so email > clients out there might fulfill my needs? Xfmail looks like it has the > features I want, but development on it has stopped, and the latest > versions of it don't seem to work. > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Jul 25 15:27:25 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19763] freaky messages frim SGI Message-ID: <004f01bff676$befeb2c0$6f21a0d8@gateway> I sudgest full retaliation. Set up an email client to spam them. Sign them up for mailing lists. Leave their email on Discusion group lists. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kozmik Krash To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19763] freaky messages frim SGI > i have received freaky mesages from silicon graphics > because the person who wrote one of the re:freepad was a > worker there.they're confusing me and spaming me!! ;)) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 25 16:09:01 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19834] Dedication of the Debian 2.2 release (fwd) Message-ID: a sad note for debian users.. forwarding this for people not on the debian announce list, and other linux users. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:51:21 -0400 From: Ben Collins To: debian-announce@lists.debian.org Subject: Dedication of the Debian 2.2 release This is the first public announcement of this intention. Some may notice two new files in our archive (or on mirrors) and on the new Test Cycle 3 CD's. This is a dedication of this release to a recently daparted member of our Project, Joel Klecker, who died unexpectedly at age 21. The dedication can be found (and is attached here for completeness) at: ftp://ftp.debian.org/doc/dedication-2.2.txt You will also find a file with it called dedication-2.2.sigs.tar.gz, which contains close to 200 PGP signatures from our Developers for the dedication.txt. Joel's death was the result of a life long battle with Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy. Information for donations to the Muscular Dystrophy Association can be found here and will be greatly appreciated (please make donations in Joel's name, if you so desire): http://mdausa.org/donate/index.html Sincerely, Ben Collins -- -----------=======-=-======-=========-----------=====------------=-=------ / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` bcollins@debian.org -- bcollins@openldap.org -- bcollins@linux.com ' `---=========------=======-------------=-=-----=-===-======-------=--=---' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jurupari at geocities.com Tue Jul 25 17:58:09 2000 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Jurupari) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19824] file system error In-Reply-To: <397DB2DF.36470758@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200007252258.SAA26107@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Send reply to: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:31:43 -0500 From: "Troy A. Johnson" To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19824] file system error > Mike, > > /dev/hda3 is the location of the swap partition, not /dev/hda2. Change > that in the startup scripts. What distribution are you running? > > Troy > Thanks for the reply Troy (sorry if this gets sent out twice). I am using RedHat 6.2. Unfortunately I don't know where to make the needed changes. Can you point me in the right direction? I poked around in /etc/rc.d/ and never quite found what I was looking for. I saw something that called 'swapon -a' with some other switches in one of the scripts I was in. That then led me to /proc - but I never did find what I was looking for. I don't know enough out linux yet. Thanks again, Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Jul 25 18:54:56 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19824] file system error References: <200007252258.SAA26107@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <397E28D0.41E8D94B@maddog.mn-linux.org> Jurupari wrote: > > Mike, > > > > /dev/hda3 is the location of the swap partition, not /dev/hda2. Change > > that in the startup scripts. What distribution are you running? > > > > Troy > > > > Thanks for the reply Troy (sorry if this gets sent out twice). > > I am using RedHat 6.2. Unfortunately I don't know where to make the > needed changes. Can you point me in the right direction? > > I poked around in /etc/rc.d/ and never quite found what I was looking > for. I saw something that called 'swapon -a' with some other switches > in one of the scripts I was in. That then led me to /proc - but I > never did find what I was looking for. I don't know enough out linux > yet. On a RH system, swap is listed in /etc/fstab. /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Jul 25 12:51:01 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19837] Free 486 Message-ID: <200007251751.MAA10295@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hello all: Spring cleaning came late this year. - IBM PS/2, 486DX, 33 MHz - desktop case w/ 145W power - built in video, parallel, serial - 8 Mb RAM (8 x 1 Mb SIMM) - 200 Mb HDD or some such If there's any interest I'll drag the beast to the installfest, hopefully to never see it again. Otherwise... defenestration. Please reply off-list, thanks. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Jul 25 22:09:15 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19837] Free 486 References: <200007251751.MAA10295@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001101bff6ae$e22ff780$a382e13f@gateway> What ever happened to our trebuchet idea where we would hurl old computers over to wisconsin or somthing. ----- Original Message ----- From: John J. Trammell To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:51 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19837] Free 486 > Hello all: > > Spring cleaning came late this year. > > - IBM PS/2, 486DX, 33 MHz > - desktop case w/ 145W power > - built in video, parallel, serial > - 8 Mb RAM (8 x 1 Mb SIMM) > - 200 Mb HDD or some such > > If there's any interest I'll drag the beast to the installfest, > hopefully to never see it again. Otherwise... defenestration. > > Please reply off-list, thanks. > > J > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Tue Jul 25 22:10:44 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19837] Free 486 In-Reply-To: <001101bff6ae$e22ff780$a382e13f@gateway> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > What ever happened to our trebuchet idea where we would hurl old > computers over to wisconsin or somthing. Throw them over toward River Falls! -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 26 01:02:13 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone had a problem with Gimp 1.1.24 and X 4.0.1? Somewhere during initialization it kills the X server. Well, X switches to some weird mode and loses sync. The machine's still up but I see no messages in the X log. I've done clean installs, upgraded all the componnets and rm -rf'd ~/.gimp-1.1/ -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Jul 26 01:59:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? References: Message-ID: <397E8C64.88A148B8@tcfreenet.org> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > Has anyone had a problem with Gimp 1.1.24 and X 4.0.1? Somewhere during > initialization it kills the X server. Well, X switches to some weird mode > and loses sync. The machine's still up but I see no messages in the X > log. I've done clean installs, upgraded all the componnets and rm -rf'd > ~/.gimp-1.1/ 4.0.1 just locks the machine hard after a few minutes on my machine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 08:44:49 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? References: <397E8C64.88A148B8@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <397EEB51.3719F964@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Yaron wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone had a problem with Gimp 1.1.24 and X 4.0.1? Somewhere during > > initialization it kills the X server. Well, X switches to some weird mode > > and loses sync. The machine's still up but I see no messages in the X > > log. I've done clean installs, upgraded all the componnets and rm -rf'd > > ~/.gimp-1.1/ > > 4.0.1 just locks the machine hard after a few minutes on my machine. You mean with Gimp, or just in general? I haven't had any trouble with Gimp on X 4.0.1. What video card are you using, Yaron? I've got an AGP Matrox G400 (haven't mucked with OpenGL on that yet, though) Actually, X 4.0.1 has been very stable for me (though I haven't been running xscreensaver or any opengl stuff). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you are killing time, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ are you damaging \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) eternity? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 26 10:02:08 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? In-Reply-To: <397EEB51.3719F964@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > I haven't had any trouble with Gimp on X 4.0.1. What video card are you > using, Yaron? I've got an AGP Matrox G400 (haven't mucked with OpenGL > on that yet, though) I've got a TNT2. I want a G400 (: > Actually, X 4.0.1 has been very stable for me (though I haven't been > running xscreensaver or any opengl stuff). Well, I haven't tried getting opengl back yet... Gimp isn't opengl. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 26 10:12:46 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 10:02:08AM -0500 References: <397EEB51.3719F964@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000726101246.D964@ringworld.org> * Yaron [000726 10:02]: > I've got a TNT2. I want a G400 (: Seriously, try the NVIDIA_GLX drivers. They aren't half bad. I run them with a geforce 2 gts card and enjoy 80-100fps in many games at insane (1152x800something) res. :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000726/8ad9cfa2/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 10:16:04 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? References: Message-ID: <397F00B4.6C97D202@tc.umn.edu> My TNT2 card has no problems locking my machine solid under X 3.3.x. It will lockup as soon as you ask it to do anything graphically intensive.:-( I want a G400 also. Are inexpensive ones available somewhere? What about a cheap 3Dfx card? Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > I haven't had any trouble with Gimp on X 4.0.1. What video card are you > > using, Yaron? I've got an AGP Matrox G400 (haven't mucked with OpenGL > > on that yet, though) > > I've got a TNT2. I want a G400 (: > > > Actually, X 4.0.1 has been very stable for me (though I haven't been > > running xscreensaver or any opengl stuff). > > Well, I haven't tried getting opengl back yet... Gimp isn't opengl. > > -Yaron > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression: for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself. -- Thomas Paine --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 26 10:29:40 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? In-Reply-To: <20000726101246.D964@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > Seriously, try the NVIDIA_GLX drivers. They aren't half bad. I run > them with a geforce 2 gts card and enjoy 80-100fps in many games at > insane (1152x800something) res. :) I can't use them. For some reason they won't let me go over 1024x768. Again. I know this monitor can do it, I've got it to do 1600x1200 with the builtin drivers (that's unreadable though). -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 11:41:39 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? Message-ID: Hi guys, slightly off-topic question. I'm going to be starting my own website on my own webserver soon. My question to you is this: can I run two webservers on one machine, refering to different virtual servers? For instance, say I want to run apache/php on foo.com, but on bar.org, I want to run the mighty AOLserver. Can this be done? Thanks! Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jul 26 11:46:56 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? References: Message-ID: <397F1600.F9D48BA6@maddog.mn-linux.org> Luke Francl wrote: > > Hi guys, slightly off-topic question. > > I'm going to be starting my own website on my own webserver soon. My > question to you is this: can I run two webservers on one machine, refering > to different virtual servers? > > For instance, say I want to run apache/php on foo.com, but on bar.org, I > want to run the mighty AOLserver. Can this be done? > As long as they aren't running on the same port. You can have as many different types of web servers if they use their own port number, but if you want them all to use the default port (80), then you have to use virtual hosts with only one server running. (preferable Apache) Why wouldn't you want to use Apache for all of them anyway??? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Wed Jul 26 11:53:05 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? References: Message-ID: <397F1771.A93F90D8@maddog.mn-linux.org> Luke Francl wrote: > > Hi guys, slightly off-topic question. > > I'm going to be starting my own website on my own webserver soon. My > question to you is this: can I run two webservers on one machine, refering > to different virtual servers? > > For instance, say I want to run apache/php on foo.com, but on bar.org, I > want to run the mighty AOLserver. Can this be done? > If you really need to run 2 different web servers (for whatever reason) and have it use port 80, you could always do a redirect from your virtual domain on port 80 to a different port, like 81. Or else you can look into the proxy capabilities of apache. Then run your non-apache server on a different port (81) and proxy it. Just a few ideas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 12:16:12 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: <397F1600.F9D48BA6@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: [combining from two messages...] > As long as they aren't running on the same port. You can have as many > different types of web servers if they use their own port number, but if > you want them all to use the default port (80), then you have to use > virtual hosts with only one server running. (preferable Apache) Why > wouldn't you want to use Apache for all of them anyway??? > If you really need to run 2 different web servers (for whatever > reason) and have it use port 80, you could always do a redirect from > your virtual domain on port 80 to a different port, like 81. Or else > you can look into the proxy capabilities of apache. Then run your > non-apache server on a different port (81) and proxy it. Just a few > ideas. I'd prefer not to have to run it on a different port. That was the first thing I thought of, and it's so annoying. No one would remember to type the :8080 or whatever... The proxy solution sounds interesting. What I was thinking might work is some sort of DNS hack or something. You can already have Apache look like a ton of different hosts at once, as long as they are legal hosts...so, I am wondering if I could configure the computer as multipe domain names, then pass one of the domains off to the other server... The reason I'm interested in using AOLserver is because there's a great deal of software from ArsDigita which has been created to do a lot of what I want to do for one of the sites I have as a twinkle in my eye...It would require quite a bit of customization, but it'd be better than re-writing most of it from scratch in PHP... Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 26 12:24:00 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > I'm going to be starting my own website on my own webserver soon. My > question to you is this: can I run two webservers on one machine, refering > to different virtual servers? If you can get different IP addresses, you can get Apache to listen to a specific one. No idea about the AOL server. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Jul 26 12:32:27 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19852] Internet Configuration Information Message-ID: <397F20AA.AD1C7D0D@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all, I am looking for a website that contains a basic overview of network configuration for a public Internet site. Stuff like when would you place servers in a DMZ versus behind a firewall. What are the tradeoffs using one configuration versus another. I not looking for specific Linux stuff yet but more generic. I need to crawl before I can walk. Thank you, -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Solutions dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 12:47:34 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Yaron wrote: > > I'm going to be starting my own website on my own webserver soon. My > > question to you is this: can I run two webservers on one machine, refering > > to different virtual servers? > > If you can get different IP addresses, you can get Apache to listen to a > specific one. No idea about the AOL server. Would I need two network cards for this? I was reading this hosting company's website which was explaining one of the great things about their service is that each virtual host gets a differnt IP address, so if one of the customers on the same machine was shut down for spamming or something, you wouldn't be affected. Hmm... Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 26 12:52:54 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: from Luke Francl at "Jul 26, 2000 12:16:12 pm" Message-ID: Luke Francl said: > What I was thinking might work is some sort of DNS hack or something. You > can already have Apache look like a ton of different hosts at once, as > long as they are legal hosts... Actually, it's not DNS related at all... There are two ways you can do virtual hosts in Apache: By IP (the traditional way) or by name. IP-based virtual hosts require you to assign a separate IP address for each distinct host. This has the distinct advantage of always working for all clients. Name-based virtual hosts are marginally more complex to set up (you need one extra command in httpd.conf to tell apache that you're using this method), but their primary drawback is that they're dependent upon the client sending a Host: header, which was not added to the HTTP spec until version 1.1. This is easy enough to work around (have a default top page to catch HTTP 1.0 clients, ask them where they intended to go, and redirect them to the appropriate path; and only use relative paths in your links), but at a slight cost of inconvenience for users with old browsers. > so, I am wondering if I could configure the > computer as multipe domain names, then pass one of the domains off to the > other server... How about setting up apache on port 80, AOL server on 81 (or wherever), configure apache for virtual servers of whichever flavor, and having apache issue redirects for requests into the server you want AOL handling? (Doing this for the top-level index or selected pages is trivial. Doing it for all requests to that hostname may be more complex; I don't know offhand...) Another option: If you're doing IP-based virtual hosts and you have an ipchains packet filter in place, you should be able to do this with port forwarding. (Redirect packets for aol.host:80 to aol.host:81.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 26 12:55:13 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: from Luke Francl at "Jul 26, 2000 12:47:34 pm" Message-ID: Luke Francl said: > > If you can get different IP addresses, you can get Apache to listen to a > > specific one. No idea about the AOL server. > > Would I need two network cards for this? Nope. There's a patch available (although I can't say how well it works - I opted to use name-based virtual hosts) which allows you to assign multiple IP addesses to the name NIC. (Actually, I think it may have been accepted as a kernel config option in 2.2.x... ISTR seeing it in the networking options...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 13:38:59 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you for the informative post...comments below... On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > IP-based virtual hosts require you to assign a separate IP address for each > distinct host. This has the distinct advantage of always working for all > clients. How does one configure a machine to have more than one IP address? > Name-based virtual hosts are marginally more complex to set up (you need one > extra command in httpd.conf to tell apache that you're using this method), > but their primary drawback is that they're dependent upon the client sending > a Host: header, which was not added to the HTTP spec until version 1.1. > This is easy enough to work around (have a default top page to catch HTTP 1.0 > clients, ask them where they intended to go, and redirect them to the > appropriate path; and only use relative paths in your links), but at a slight > cost of inconvenience for users with old browsers. I read this on the hosting company's page I mentioned earlier. They said this affected Netscape 1.1 and lower... > > so, I am wondering if I could configure the > > computer as multipe domain names, then pass one of the domains off to the > > other server... > > How about setting up apache on port 80, AOL server on 81 (or wherever), > configure apache for virtual servers of whichever flavor, and having apache > issue redirects for requests into the server you want AOL handling? (Doing > this for the top-level index or selected pages is trivial. Doing it for all > requests to that hostname may be more complex; I don't know offhand...) mod_rewrite might be able to handle this task. In fact, mod_rewrite can even be used to set up virtual hosts without using an apache Virtual Host directive! Perhaps I could do something like this: Configure a virtual host in Apache as bar.com to be my AOLserver, then create a rewrite rule with mod_rewrite that sends the request to AOLserver if the host matches bar.com... something a bit like... RewriteRule ^(bar\.com) $1:81 > Another option: If you're doing IP-based virtual hosts and you have an > ipchains packet filter in place, you should be able to do this with port > forwarding. (Redirect packets for aol.host:80 to aol.host:81.) This sounds promising too... My hacker mind loves this puzzle! It's so convoluted and...down right subversive! Who'd want to run two webservers on one machine ANYWAY?! MUhahahahah! Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jul 26 13:54:42 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: from Luke Francl at "Jul 26, 2000 01:38:59 pm" Message-ID: Luke Francl said: > How does one configure a machine to have more than one IP address? Already answered in my second message on this topic. > I read this on the hosting company's page I mentioned earlier. They said > this affected Netscape 1.1 and lower... If you try playing with a name-based arrangement, you can access the site by IP address instead of hostname to see how pre-HTTP 1.1 browsers will react. (Unless you set up a VirtualHost directive specifically for host=IP address, but I don't know why you'd want to do that...) > RewriteRule ^(bar\.com) $1:81 The hostname is a separate (HTTP 1.1) header, not part of the URI parsed by apache. Instead, you'd probably have to set up a VirtualHost (by whichever method) which maps into /bar.com and then apply this rewrite rule. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 26 14:04:57 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i don't know why you guys are talking about all this complicated stuff, when it sounds like the guy can get more than one IP address.. just use IP aliasing, and bind each web server to a different IP. all you need to do is this: 'ifconfig eth0' for your main server 'ifconfig eth0:0' for your next server 'ifconfig eth0:1' for your next server, and so on for redhat configs.. just copy the ifcfg-eth0 script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts to ifcfg-eth0:0, and edit to taste. for debian 2.2, just add an iface static inet eth0:0 to /etc/network/interfaces then just bind the apache/AOL configs to the IP of choice, and bam.. all done Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > Hi guys, slightly off-topic question. > > I'm going to be starting my own website on my own webserver soon. My > question to you is this: can I run two webservers on one machine, refering > to different virtual servers? > > For instance, say I want to run apache/php on foo.com, but on bar.org, I > want to run the mighty AOLserver. Can this be done? > > Thanks! > > Luke > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Jul 26 14:08:26 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? References: Message-ID: <397F372A.A0E09874@ltiflex.com> > > How does one configure a machine to have more than one IP address? > IP Aliasing is a kernel option. Turn it on. then define eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, eth0:X. \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 26 14:18:05 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > > If you can get different IP addresses, you can get Apache to listen to a > > specific one. No idea about the AOL server. > Would I need two network cards for this? Not if it's running most modern Unices. Under Linux (and Solaris and probably a bunch of others) you can setup an aliases to the interface. For example, if your NIC is eth0, you can have eth0:0, eth0:1..eth0:n. > I was reading this hosting company's website which was explaining one of > the great things about their service is that each virtual host gets a > differnt IP address, so if one of the customers on the same machine was > shut down for spamming or something, you wouldn't be affected. I don't know how true that is. Unless they are using dedicated NICs. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Jul 26 14:24:56 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19861] IP Aliasing (was: Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webservers on one machine?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Luke Francl wrote: > How does one configure a machine to have more than one IP address? Well, assuming IP Aliasing is compiled into the kernel, the simplest way would be using ifconfig. For example, say your machine's primary address is 192.168.0.1, and you want to add 192.168.100.1, type: ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.100.1 And that's it. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 14:29:14 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19861] IP Aliasing (was: Re: [TCLUG:19847] Two webserverson one machine?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Yaron wrote: > > How does one configure a machine to have more than one IP address? > > Well, assuming IP Aliasing is compiled into the kernel, the simplest way > would be using ifconfig. For example, say your machine's primary address > is 192.168.0.1, and you want to add 192.168.100.1, type: > > ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.100.1 > > And that's it. Sweet. Thank you. :) Luke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Jul 25 14:11:29 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19829] TCLUG Installfest Announcement Message-ID: <397DE661.76E904B4@maddog.mn-linux.org> This is the official Announcement for the TCLUG Installfest. What: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Installfest An installfest is a chance to get Linux installed on your system with the help of TCLUG experts. For more info on what an installfest is, go here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ If you are planning on attending, please register at http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/register.php3 When: Saturday August 12th, 10am until 5pm Where: Benchmark Computer Learning 4510 West 77th Street, Suite 210 Edina, Minnesota 55435 Parking: Park on the WEST side of the building. The entrance on that side comes into the 2nd floor, whereas the east entrance comes in on the 1st floor. Coming in from the 2nd floor entrance, take a left and follow the signs to the Benchmark Seminar Room. It's just down the hall, and on the left. What to bring: You should bring everything you need. This includes power cables, power strips, network cables, keyboars, etc. Please inform anyone else that may be interested. Here is a poster about the installfest. http://www.mn-linux.org/images/installfest.jpg Please post it around town, the office, whereever. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 26 18:06:02 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19863] 160mXL 8mm tapes = 24Gb? Message-ID: <20000726180602.D16921@real-time.com> Running Sparc Linux with a Exabyte 8mm Tape drive using 160mXL 8mm tapes. I think I am going insane, but I thought 8mm did 12/24Gb. Yet, I am able only to get around 2Gb on the tape before it gives me a write error. Just wanted to make sure my capacity is right on the tapes before I look else where. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cory at real-time.com Wed Jul 26 18:03:33 2000 From: cory at real-time.com (cory@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19864] Re: tclug-list Digest 26 Jul 2000 15:13:34 -0000 Issue 675 References: <964624414.16050.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <397F6E45.E80D6601@real-time.com> > kThis is kind of late but netscape already does this. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 7:25 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:19750] Good POP mail clients. > > > I've been using Netscape as my POP mail client at home and at work > > for some time now. However I have been wanting a client that can filter > > in coming mail into folders and trash based on email source and still > > have support for MIME types and a nice GUI interface so I can show it > > off at work. > > > > I've already looked at gtkmail and xfmail and neither are > > appropriate. > > > > Does any one have any suggestions which of the hundred or so email > > clients out there might fulfill my needs? Xfmail looks like it has the > > features I want, but development on it has stopped, and the latest > > versions of it don't seem to work. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Really? Could you give me a hint how? I hate to sound obtuse, but I've been using the Netscape mail client for over a year now and I haven't been able to find any filtering features. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 18:15:33 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19864] Re: tclug-list Digest 26 Jul 2000 15:13:34 -0000 Issue 675 References: <964624414.16050.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> <397F6E45.E80D6601@real-time.com> Message-ID: <397F7115.98BB3602@tc.umn.edu> cory@real-time.com wrote: > > > kThis is kind of late but netscape already does this. > > > > Really? Could you give me a hint how? I hate to sound obtuse, but I've been using the Netscape mail client for over a year now and I haven't been able to find any filtering features. > > Thanks. In Netscape Communicator 4.73, I just open the mail window, go to `Edit', then down to `Message Filters...' I'm not sure how old the feature is, but it has at least been in 4.x (not sure if it's in 3.x or anything). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ There will be no last bus / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tonight. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Jul 26 19:58:25 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19840] Gimp 1.1.24? References: <397E8C64.88A148B8@tcfreenet.org> <397EEB51.3719F964@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <397F8931.235DFF19@tcfreenet.org> > > 4.0.1 just locks the machine hard after a few minutes on my machine. > > You mean with Gimp, or just in general? In general. 4.0 works fine. :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 26 20:49:09 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19863] 160mXL 8mm tapes = 24Gb? In-Reply-To: <20000726180602.D16921@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Running Sparc Linux with a Exabyte 8mm Tape drive using 160mXL 8mm tapes. > > I think I am going insane, but I thought 8mm did 12/24Gb. Yet, I am able only > to get around 2Gb on the tape before it gives me a write error. > > Just wanted to make sure my capacity is right on the tapes before I look else > where. Depends on the drive, but that's *way* higher than what I would expect. I have an Exabyte 8500C, which is rated for 5GB uncompressed, 10GB with the hardware compression. (It's older, but it's a rock.) I don't recall if that was 160m tapes or not, but the difference for tape length is linear, so that doesn't explain it. 2GB is pretty shabby though. There are lots of annoying problems that could account for it -- bad tapes, dirty machines, yada, yada. I have a fair amount of insight into the behavior of tapes and heads which I won't burden you with now :) I don't want to start a "I swear by brand X, but brand Y stinks" discussion, but I have some data on error rates, bad tapes received, and recoverability after time that suggests that the 3M / Imation 8mm tapes really do outperform a couple of other brands. *I'm not claiming they beat everyone else's tape.* Nutshell: Your numbers probably aren't right, but your tape is *almost* certainly not doing what it's supposed to, IMHO. Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From npt at visi.com Thu Jul 27 04:13:43 2000 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19863] 160mXL 8mm tapes = 24Gb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i have an 8200, and i seem to remember 2.5/5, not sure though, haven't used it in like 2 years... nick On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Running Sparc Linux with a Exabyte 8mm Tape drive using 160mXL 8mm tapes. > > > > I think I am going insane, but I thought 8mm did 12/24Gb. Yet, I am able only > > to get around 2Gb on the tape before it gives me a write error. > > > > Just wanted to make sure my capacity is right on the tapes before I look else > > where. > > Depends on the drive, but that's *way* higher than what I would expect. > > I have an Exabyte 8500C, which is rated for 5GB uncompressed, 10GB with > the hardware compression. (It's older, but it's a rock.) > > I don't recall if that was 160m tapes or not, but the difference for tape > length is linear, so that doesn't explain it. > > 2GB is pretty shabby though. > > There are lots of annoying problems that could account for it -- bad > tapes, dirty machines, yada, yada. I have a fair amount of insight into > the behavior of tapes and heads which I won't burden you with now :) > > I don't want to start a "I swear by brand X, but brand Y > stinks" discussion, but I have some data on error rates, bad tapes > received, and recoverability after time that suggests that the 3M / > Imation 8mm tapes really do outperform a couple of other brands. > > *I'm not claiming they beat everyone else's tape.* > > Nutshell: Your numbers probably aren't right, but your tape is *almost* > certainly not doing what it's supposed to, IMHO. > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bexley at daily.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 09:51:04 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19869] Re: tclug-list Digest 12 Jul 2000 18:03:00 -0000 Issue 662 In-Reply-To: <963424980.22982.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3D4DDAE1A2F@main.daily.umn.edu> Has anyone else had lots of problems trying to get Nmap 2.53 to work on Debian (slink)? I've tried unsucsesfully to get it to work for a while now. I have installed (via apt-get) bison and flex as the INSTALL readme suggested might help, but to no avail. It just poops out on the "make" command with the following results: ---- snip ----- Compiling libpcap make[1]: Entering directory `/root/nmap-2.53/libpcap- possiblymodified' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/nmap-2.53/libpcap- possiblymodified' Compiling nmap rm -f nmap gcc -Llibpcap-possiblymodified -o nmap nmap.o targets.o tcpip.o error.o utils.o osscan.o charpool.o services.o rpc.o portlist.o - lpcap -lm libpcap-possiblymodified/libpcap.a(gencode.o): In function `pcap_compile': gencode.o(.text+0x218): undefined reference to `lex_init' libpcap-possiblymodified/libpcap.a(grammar.o): In function `yyparse': grammar.o(.text+0x90): undefined reference to `yylex' grammar.o(.text+0xc97): undefined reference to `yylex' make: *** [nmap] Error 1 -----snip------ On another note, has anyone had any success getting Novell networking (ncp) working on Debian? I got IPX working (I think) but I keep getting segmentation faults when trying to mount, print, etc... I think that the utility nwsfind is what's seg faulting, but I don't know why. Thanks!! Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Senior Systems Analyst Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Thu Jul 27 10:08:17 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19863] 160mXL 8mm tapes = 24Gb? Message-ID: <383977708.964710497433.JavaMail.root@web447-ec.mail.com> I found the 8mm we use for AS/400 backups here. It's a "helical scan" whatever that means, but my 112m tape holds 2.5/5 GB, so if I math it out (assuming it's linear) 160m should be somwhere around 3.5-4 GB uncompressed. Is it possible that your drive will only take a 2/4 GB tape (either by design or by "unfortunate incident")? On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Running Sparc Linux with a Exabyte 8mm Tape drive using 160mXL 8mm tapes. > > > > I think I am going insane, but I thought 8mm did 12/24Gb. Yet, I am able only > > to get around 2Gb on the tape before it gives me a write error. > > > > Just wanted to make sure my capacity is right on the tapes before I look else > > where. > > Depends on the drive, but that's *way* higher than what I would expect. > > I have an Exabyte 8500C, which is rated for 5GB uncompressed, 10GB with > the hardware compression. (It's older, but it's a rock.) > > I don't recall if that was 160m tapes or not, but the difference for tape > length is linear, so that doesn't explain it. > > 2GB is pretty shabby though. > > There are lots of annoying problems that could account for it -- bad > tapes, dirty machines, yada, yada. I have a fair amount of insight into > the behavior of tapes and heads which I won't burden you with now :) > > I don't want to start a "I swear by brand X, but brand Y > stinks" discussion, but I have some data on error rates, bad tapes > received, and recoverability after time that suggests that the 3M / > Imation 8mm tapes really do outperform a couple of other brands. > > *I'm not claiming they beat everyone else's tape.* > > Nutshell: Your numbers probably aren't right, but your tape is *almost* > certainly not doing what it's supposed to, IMHO. > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 11:18:28 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH Message-ID: <398060D0.B8BFB088@innominatus.com> I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. /var/log/auth.log Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# sshd is running as a stand alone daemon. I have made no modifictions to the standard apt-get install ssh. I have tried from multiple ip addresses. Appears to block all sshd connections even from localhost. I had shut off telnetd as well, since ssh was running fine and secure. I have telnet-ssl up in the mean time. Sucked. Any help would be appreciated. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Jul 27 11:16:24 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH In-Reply-To: <398060D0.B8BFB088@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no > problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. > /var/log/auth.log > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# Check your tcp_wrappers (/etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny). -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jul 27 11:17:35 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH In-Reply-To: <398060D0.B8BFB088@innominatus.com> Message-ID: that's really odd.. i've never seen that before.. did you make sure all the sshd connections were closed before re-starting the main service? what do you get when you telnet to port 22? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no > problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. > /var/log/auth.log > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > sshd is running as a stand alone daemon. > I have made no modifictions to the standard apt-get install ssh. > I have tried from multiple ip addresses. > Appears to block all sshd connections even from localhost. > > I had shut off telnetd as well, since ssh was running fine and secure. I > have telnet-ssl up in the mean time. > Sucked. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 11:17:56 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398060D0.B8BFB088@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <398060B4.9E5FD8E3@tc.umn.edu> Did you install anything on the machine recently? Jason J wrote: > > I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no > problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. > /var/log/auth.log > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > sshd is running as a stand alone daemon. > I have made no modifictions to the standard apt-get install ssh. > I have tried from multiple ip addresses. > Appears to block all sshd connections even from localhost. > > I had shut off telnetd as well, since ssh was running fine and secure. I > have telnet-ssl up in the mean time. > Sucked. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ All governments are more or less combinations against the people. . .and as rulers have no more virtue than the ruled. . . the power of government can only be kept within its constituted bounds by the display of a power equal to itself, the collected sentiment of the people. -- Benjamin Franklin Bache, in a Phildelphia Aurora editorial 1794 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Thu Jul 27 11:18:30 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19869] Re: tclug-list Digest 12 Jul 2000 18:03:00 -0000 Issue 662 In-Reply-To: <3D4DDAE1A2F@main.daily.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Benjamin Exley wrote: > On another note, has anyone had any success getting Novell > networking (ncp) working on Debian? I got IPX working (I think) but I > keep getting segmentation faults when trying to mount, print, etc... > I think that the utility nwsfind is what's seg faulting, but I don't know > why. At work I use a Linux box as a client on our Netware 5 server. Here's my setup: my /etc/ipx.conf has IPX_AUTO_PRIMARY and IPX_AUTO_INTERFACE set to on. In my home directory I have a .nwclient file that contains our server name and my user/pass for it. To mount the server: $ ncpmount ~/mnt/minn where ~/mnt/minn is the mount point I use To list print queues: $ pqlist with no options, it grabs the first server in ~/.nwclient To print to a queue on the server: $ nprint -q QUEUENAME file-to-print The nprint command does give me a segfault when no queue is specified. Dunno if that helps. You can check whether IPX is actually configured with 'ifconfig'. It should have one or more lines beginning with "IPX/Ethernet" with a protocol and address following. Hope this helps somewhat. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 11:26:28 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: Message-ID: <398062B3.B43C4951@innominatus.com> its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. Chuck Milam wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no > > problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. > > /var/log/auth.log > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > Check your tcp_wrappers (/etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny). > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 11:31:02 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: Message-ID: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I might not be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. I will walk through a session quick Client: root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Server: /var/log/auth.log Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted sshd numerous times. Same result. Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get upgrade several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the problem started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an update to sshd. Ben Kochie wrote: > that's really odd.. i've never seen that before.. did you make sure all > the sshd connections were closed before re-starting the main > service? what do you get when you telnet to port 22? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no > > problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. > > /var/log/auth.log > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > > > sshd is running as a stand alone daemon. > > I have made no modifictions to the standard apt-get install ssh. > > I have tried from multiple ip addresses. > > Appears to block all sshd connections even from localhost. > > > > I had shut off telnetd as well, since ssh was running fine and secure. I > > have telnet-ssl up in the mean time. > > Sucked. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 11:35:10 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH In-Reply-To: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com>; from Jason J on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500 References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I might not > be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. > I will walk through a session quick > > Client: > root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > Server: > /var/log/auth.log > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted sshd > numerous times. Same result. > > Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get upgrade > several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the problem > started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an update to > sshd. Can you ssh to the from that box to itself OK? (ssh localhost) Have you tried turning up the verbosity on bothh ssh and sshd - it might give a better hint to what's going on. (sshd -d and ssh -v). -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 11:59:37 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39806A79.E00B4D46@innominatus.com> ssh localhost fails same as from remote this is OpenSSH-1.2.3 when i start it with -d root@guru /etc/init.d>/user/sbin/sshd -d& sshd version OpenSSH-1.2.3 debug: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Generating 768 bit RSA kde. RSA key generation complete. debug: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. Same error recevied on the client side sshd -v give an invalid option. Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I might not > > be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. > > I will walk through a session quick > > > > Client: > > root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > > > Server: > > /var/log/auth.log > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > > > I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted sshd > > numerous times. Same result. > > > > Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get upgrade > > several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the problem > > started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an update to > > sshd. > > Can you ssh to the from that box to itself OK? (ssh localhost) > > Have you tried turning up the verbosity on bothh ssh and sshd - > it might give a better hint to what's going on. (sshd -d and > ssh -v). > > -- > Jim Crumley | > crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 12:00:34 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39806AB2.3F1025AA@innominatus.com> ssh localhost fails same as from remote this is OpenSSH-1.2.3 when i start it with -d root@guru /etc/init.d>/user/sbin/sshd -d& sshd version OpenSSH-1.2.3 debug: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Generating 768 bit RSA kde. RSA key generation complete. debug: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. Same error recevied on the client side sshd -v give an invalid option. Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I might not > > be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. > > I will walk through a session quick > > > > Client: > > root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > > > Server: > > /var/log/auth.log > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > > > I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted sshd > > numerous times. Same result. > > > > Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get upgrade > > several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the problem > > started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an update to > > sshd. > > Can you ssh to the from that box to itself OK? (ssh localhost) > > Have you tried turning up the verbosity on bothh ssh and sshd - > it might give a better hint to what's going on. (sshd -d and > ssh -v). > > -- > Jim Crumley | > crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 12:09:19 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH In-Reply-To: <39806AB2.3F1025AA@innominatus.com>; from Jason J on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:00:34PM -0500 References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> <39806AB2.3F1025AA@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20000727120917.A19028@ham.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:00:34PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > ssh localhost fails same as from remote > > this is OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > when i start it with -d > > root@guru /etc/init.d>/user/sbin/sshd -d& > sshd version OpenSSH-1.2.3 > debug: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 > Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. > Generating 768 bit RSA kde. > RSA key generation complete. > debug: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. > > > Same error recevied on the client side > > sshd -v give an invalid option. > Hmm, I guess I was a little unclear. What I meant was: 1. Open 2 terminal windows on the box in question. 2. Stop sshd, and restart it in one of the terminal windows with (like you did above). 3. In the other window, type "ssh -v localhost". (I think the options should be right - I double checked it on a debian box with SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.3, protocol version 1.5.) The two windows should show you what's going on in the handshaking process between sshd and ssh. We should be able to tell exactly where the authorization fails. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 27 12:15:41 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: Message-ID: <009a01bff7ee$4af74760$dd29680a@tgt.com> That will only apply if you are running sshd through inetd and tcpd (not recommended) or you have compiled in tcp wrappers support into sshd. I suspect that sshd is no longer running - or the "~/.ssh/known_hosts" file on the client machine has a different server key (RSA?) listed than the server is currently using. Try removing the key from the client and see if you get the following: The authenticity of host 'cascade.veldy.net' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is fe:43:1c:81:89:0a:b8:da:c4:2c:4c:19:8b:79:c5:ff. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? or the equivalent. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Milam To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > I have had Debian Potato running an sshd for several months with no > > problems. All of a sudden sshd is refusing connections. > > /var/log/auth.log > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru ssdh[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > Check your tcp_wrappers (/etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny). > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 27 12:17:42 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> <39806A79.E00B4D46@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <00af01bff7ee$92dfa270$dd29680a@tgt.com> Looks like a new host key and the client doesn't like it because it changed and doesn't trust the server anymore. Try removing the server's entry from ~/.ssh/known_hosts on the client machine. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason J To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH > ssh localhost fails same as from remote > > this is OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > when i start it with -d > > root@guru /etc/init.d>/user/sbin/sshd -d& > sshd version OpenSSH-1.2.3 > debug: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 > Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. > Generating 768 bit RSA kde. > RSA key generation complete. > debug: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. > > > Same error recevied on the client side > > sshd -v give an invalid option. > > > > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > > When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I might not > > > be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. > > > I will walk through a session quick > > > > > > Client: > > > root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com > > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > > > > > Server: > > > /var/log/auth.log > > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > > > > > I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted sshd > > > numerous times. Same result. > > > > > > Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get upgrade > > > several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the problem > > > started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an update to > > > sshd. > > > > Can you ssh to the from that box to itself OK? (ssh localhost) > > > > Have you tried turning up the verbosity on bothh ssh and sshd - > > it might give a better hint to what's going on. (sshd -d and > > ssh -v). > > > > -- > > Jim Crumley | > > crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | > > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 12:19:47 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19863] 160mXL 8mm tapes = 24Gb? In-Reply-To: <383977708.964710497433.JavaMail.root@web447-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Brian wrote: > I found the 8mm we use for AS/400 backups here. It's a "helical scan" > whatever that means, but my 112m tape holds 2.5/5 GB, so if I math it out > (assuming it's linear) 160m should be somwhere around 3.5-4 GB uncompressed. > Is it possible that your drive will only take a 2/4 GB tape (either by > design or by "unfortunate incident")? That's a drive thing. 112m is what the Exabyte 8500C can get 5GB onto uncompressed. Still, you're right, Bob should be able to get more than 2GB on a 160m tape. BTW, helical scan means that it's a rotating head, like in a VCR. Instead of writing the tracks longitudinally along the tape, they are written by a head that is spinning, but at an angle to the tape, creating a bunch of segments that have been arranged like "angle parking," just like a row in the parking lot. Cheers, Phil M > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Running Sparc Linux with a Exabyte 8mm Tape drive using 160mXL 8mm > tapes. > > > > > > I think I am going insane, but I thought 8mm did 12/24Gb. Yet, I am able > only > > > to get around 2Gb on the tape before it gives me a write error. > > > > > > Just wanted to make sure my capacity is right on the tapes before I look > else > > > where. > > > > Depends on the drive, but that's *way* higher than what I would expect. > > > > I have an Exabyte 8500C, which is rated for 5GB uncompressed, 10GB with > > the hardware compression. (It's older, but it's a rock.) > > > > I don't recall if that was 160m tapes or not, but the difference for tape > > length is linear, so that doesn't explain it. > > > > 2GB is pretty shabby though. > > > > There are lots of annoying problems that could account for it -- bad > > tapes, dirty machines, yada, yada. I have a fair amount of insight into > > the behavior of tapes and heads which I won't burden you with now :) > > > > I don't want to start a "I swear by brand X, but brand Y > > stinks" discussion, but I have some data on error rates, bad tapes > > received, and recoverability after time that suggests that the 3M / > > Imation 8mm tapes really do outperform a couple of other brands. > > > > *I'm not claiming they beat everyone else's tape.* > > > > Nutshell: Your numbers probably aren't right, but your tape is *almost* > > certainly not doing what it's supposed to, IMHO. > > > > Cheers, > > Phil M > > > > -- > > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 12:35:13 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> <39806A79.E00B4D46@innominatus.com> <00af01bff7ee$92dfa270$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <398072D1.A9949F65@innominatus.com> removed all entries from known_hosts on both client and server same stupid ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host error "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Looks like a new host key and the client doesn't like it because it changed > and doesn't trust the server anymore. Try removing the server's entry from > ~/.ssh/known_hosts on the client machine. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason J > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH > > > ssh localhost fails same as from remote > > > > this is OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > > > when i start it with -d > > > > root@guru /etc/init.d>/user/sbin/sshd -d& > > sshd version OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > debug: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 > > Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. > > Generating 768 bit RSA kde. > > RSA key generation complete. > > debug: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. > > > > > > Same error recevied on the client side > > > > sshd -v give an invalid option. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > > > When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I > might not > > > > be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. > > > > I will walk through a session quick > > > > > > > > Client: > > > > root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com > > > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > > > > > > > Server: > > > > /var/log/auth.log > > > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > > > > > > > I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted > sshd > > > > numerous times. Same result. > > > > > > > > Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get > upgrade > > > > several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the > problem > > > > started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an > update to > > > > sshd. > > > > > > Can you ssh to the from that box to itself OK? (ssh localhost) > > > > > > Have you tried turning up the verbosity on bothh ssh and sshd - > > > it might give a better hint to what's going on. (sshd -d and > > > ssh -v). > > > > > > -- > > > Jim Crumley | > > > crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | > > > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Jul 27 12:37:56 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH In-Reply-To: <398062B3.B43C4951@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: sshd: ALL Then see what happens. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Thu Jul 27 12:38:49 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19888] debian Message-ID: <200007271740.e6RHeO207360@sprite.real-time.com> i cant get the debian iso file (i dont have burner, duh) someone that has the new debian (woody, right?) will bring it over to the installfest? :? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 12:44:07 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: Message-ID: <398074E7.BD9A2A21@tc.umn.edu> Is the Debian potato sshd compiled to respect /etc/hosts.*? Chuck Milam wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. > > Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: > > sshd: ALL > > Then see what happens. > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Can I get all of the dressings on my salad? -- T. A. Johnson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 12:51:32 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: Message-ID: <398076A4.4D8CA4A3@innominatus.com> Already tried that last night heheh I have compared my sshd_config with a red hat 6.2 box that had it compiled from source and they are virutally identical. i am confused. Chuck Milam wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. > > Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: > > sshd: ALL > > Then see what happens. > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 12:58:22 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398074E7.BD9A2A21@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3980783D.2A7E8E57@innominatus.com> Its working again! However, to get it to work I added ALL: ALL to hosts.allow, then restarted inetd and it worked. my inetd.conf does not contain ssh at all. /etc/init.d/ssh starts my sshd server. And the line sshd: ALL does not work. Only ALL: ALL What should the hosts.allow entry look like. "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > Is the Debian potato sshd compiled to respect /etc/hosts.*? > > Chuck Milam wrote: > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. > > > > Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: > > > > sshd: ALL > > > > Then see what happens. > > > > -- > > Chuck Milam > > chuck@milams.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > Can I get all of the dressings on my salad? > -- T. A. Johnson > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 27 12:57:03 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398063C5.6BC7637E@innominatus.com> <20000727113510.B18737@ham.space.umn.edu> <39806A79.E00B4D46@innominatus.com> <00af01bff7ee$92dfa270$dd29680a@tgt.com> <398072D1.A9949F65@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <00df01bff7f4$121eea00$dd29680a@tgt.com> Doesn't look like sshd is actually running to me - or perhaps your firewall is somehow doing this? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason J To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH > removed all entries from known_hosts on both client and server > same stupid > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host error > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > Looks like a new host key and the client doesn't like it because it changed > > and doesn't trust the server anymore. Try removing the server's entry from > > ~/.ssh/known_hosts on the client machine. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jason J > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH > > > > > ssh localhost fails same as from remote > > > > > > this is OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > > > > > when i start it with -d > > > > > > root@guru /etc/init.d>/user/sbin/sshd -d& > > > sshd version OpenSSH-1.2.3 > > > debug: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 > > > Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. > > > Generating 768 bit RSA kde. > > > RSA key generation complete. > > > debug: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. > > > > > > > > > Same error recevied on the client side > > > > > > sshd -v give an invalid option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Jason J wrote: > > > > > When I telnet it works fine. Although i am running telnet-ssl so I > > might not > > > > > be getting the troubleshooting info your looking for. > > > > > I will walk through a session quick > > > > > > > > > > Client: > > > > > root@gohan /root> ssh jasonj@innominatus.com > > > > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > > > > > > > > > Server: > > > > > /var/log/auth.log > > > > > Jul 27 11:00:48 guru sshd[1003]: refused connect from #.#.#.# > > > > > > > > > > I have rebooted (although I shouldnt have to, I tried) and restarted > > sshd > > > > > numerous times. Same result. > > > > > > > > > > Troy: I have not installed anything recently. I tried to apt-get > > upgrade > > > > > several times a week, however I have not done this at the time the > > problem > > > > > started. I did attempt this after the problem started hoping for an > > update to > > > > > sshd. > > > > > > > > Can you ssh to the from that box to itself OK? (ssh localhost) > > > > > > > > Have you tried turning up the verbosity on bothh ssh and sshd - > > > > it might give a better hint to what's going on. (sshd -d and > > > > ssh -v). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jim Crumley | > > > > crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | > > > > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 27 12:59:47 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398074E7.BD9A2A21@tc.umn.edu> <3980783D.2A7E8E57@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <00ee01bff7f4$73da9910$dd29680a@tgt.com> Restarting inetd was not necessary. sshd has been compiled with tcp_wrapper support. It was bound to libwrap.a - so the sshd executable knows to check the /etc/host* files. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason J To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH > Its working again! > > However, to get it to work I added ALL: ALL to hosts.allow, then restarted > inetd and it worked. > my inetd.conf does not contain ssh at all. /etc/init.d/ssh starts my sshd > server. And the line > sshd: ALL does not work. > > Only ALL: ALL > What should the hosts.allow entry look like. > > > > "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > > > Is the Debian potato sshd compiled to respect /etc/hosts.*? > > > > Chuck Milam wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > > > > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. > > > > > > Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: > > > > > > sshd: ALL > > > > > > Then see what happens. > > > > > > -- > > > Chuck Milam > > > chuck@milams.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > Can I get all of the dressings on my salad? > > -- T. A. Johnson > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 13:16:38 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19894] SSH Working. Thanks! Message-ID: <39807C86.1D427919@innominatus.com> Looks like there has to be a newline after the last entry in the hosts.allow file. I have never had sshd: ALL in there before, but now it seems to be required. After I added a newline after sshd: ALL it is working. I guess my only complaint about debian (after using it for over 1.5 years) is that it isnt always clear how the software was compiled by the debian packagers. No where did it tell me I had to have a hosts.allow entry and the deb package didnt put one there. Thanks everyone for all your help. Hope I can return the favor. Jason --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jul 27 13:11:08 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19888] debian In-Reply-To: <200007271741.MAA02464@chef.nerp.net> Message-ID: i would bring my debian test cycle 2 CD.. or i could make a test3 (if it's done yet) CD.. but i forget when the installfest is.. or where it is. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Kozmik Krash wrote: > > > i cant get the debian iso file (i dont have burner, duh) > someone that has the new debian (woody, right?) will bring > it over to the installfest? :? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 13:12:26 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH References: <398074E7.BD9A2A21@tc.umn.edu> <3980783D.2A7E8E57@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39807B8A.F7D4D967@tc.umn.edu> How is SSH listed in /etc/services? Is it as ssh? Try this line instead: ssh: ALL in /etc/hosts.allow and see if it makes difference. HTH, Troy Jason J wrote: > > Its working again! > > However, to get it to work I added ALL: ALL to hosts.allow, then restarted > inetd and it worked. > my inetd.conf does not contain ssh at all. /etc/init.d/ssh starts my sshd > server. And the line > sshd: ALL does not work. > > Only ALL: ALL > What should the hosts.allow entry look like. > > "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > > > Is the Debian potato sshd compiled to respect /etc/hosts.*? > > > > Chuck Milam wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > > > > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. > > > > > > Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: > > > > > > sshd: ALL > > > > > > Then see what happens. > > > > > > -- > > > Chuck Milam > > > chuck@milams.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > Can I get all of the dressings on my salad? > > -- T. A. Johnson > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jul 27 13:14:04 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19871] Debian Potato SSH In-Reply-To: <3980783D.2A7E8E57@innominatus.com> Message-ID: what's in your /etc/hosts.deny? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > Its working again! > > However, to get it to work I added ALL: ALL to hosts.allow, then restarted > inetd and it worked. > my inetd.conf does not contain ssh at all. /etc/init.d/ssh starts my sshd > server. And the line > sshd: ALL does not work. > > Only ALL: ALL > What should the hosts.allow entry look like. > > > > "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > > > Is the Debian potato sshd compiled to respect /etc/hosts.*? > > > > Chuck Milam wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > > > > > its a stand alone daemon, not run by inetd and not tcp wrappered. > > > > > > Humor me and put this in your /etc/hosts.allow: > > > > > > sshd: ALL > > > > > > Then see what happens. > > > > > > -- > > > Chuck Milam > > > chuck@milams.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > Can I get all of the dressings on my salad? > > -- T. A. Johnson > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Jul 27 13:22:07 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19894] SSH Working. Thanks! In-Reply-To: <39807C86.1D427919@innominatus.com> Message-ID: huh.. i don't know about you.. but all 4 of my debian machines don't have sshd:ALL in the /etc/hosts.allow.. and yes.. there are specs for the compile.. it's located in the source directory, and as part of apt. add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb-src http://stuff distro main contrib non-free then cd to a nice scratch area (where you want the source downloaded) apt-get source pkg-name that will download teh source, and all of the requirements then, apt-get --build pkg-name that will start the automated build process.. just play around a bit.. and it will love you, just as much as you love debian :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > Looks like there has to be a newline after the last entry in the > hosts.allow file. > I have never had sshd: ALL in there before, but now it seems to be > required. > After I added a newline after sshd: ALL it is working. > > I guess my only complaint about debian (after using it for over 1.5 > years) is that it isnt always clear how the software was compiled by the > debian packagers. No where did it tell me I had to have a hosts.allow > entry and the deb package didnt put one there. > > Thanks everyone for all your help. Hope I can return the favor. > > Jason > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Jul 27 13:33:31 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19894] SSH Working. Thanks! References: <39807C86.1D427919@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3980807B.5E8338D6@ltiflex.com> Hmmm, betcha you have a ALL:Parinoid entry in /etc/hosts.deny. With that option, you won't be able to access just about everything if your ip and hostname don't matchup/resolve. The soultion is, fix your host name. =) You could add a ALL: IP Range of your ISP to hosts.allow, or if your on static IP add a entry to /etc/hosts on the server machine. If your going from an internal host to an internal host, get bind working to resolve names for your internal network or add an entry in /etc/hosts for every machine. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 13:42:48 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19894] SSH Working. Thanks! References: Message-ID: <398082A7.C56EC2EF@innominatus.com> I have never had to have sshd:ALL in my hosts.allow either, before today. I will give you access to my box if you want to check it out for yourself. While editing my hosts.allow I remove the last line sshd:all and the newline. I save the file, and without restart inetd or sshd or anything, I try to ssh into the box. I get ssh_exchange_identification error. I then add sshd: ALL to the hosts.allow file that I am still editing, without the newline at the end I save the file, without restarting any services I try to ssh into the box, same error I add a newline to the end of sshd: ALL in the hosts.allow that I still have open in an editor, and save without exiting. I dont restart any services again, and try to ssh into the box. It works. If it isnt suppose to do that, I dont know how to fix it. I am no Linux god yet. Ben Kochie wrote: > huh.. i don't know about you.. but all 4 of my debian machines don't have > sshd:ALL in the /etc/hosts.allow.. and yes.. there are specs for the > compile.. it's located in the source directory, and as part of apt. > add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list > deb-src http://stuff distro main contrib non-free > then cd to a nice scratch area (where you want the source downloaded) > apt-get source pkg-name > that will download teh source, and all of the requirements > then, apt-get --build pkg-name > that will start the automated build process.. just play around a bit.. and > it will love you, just as much as you love debian :) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > Looks like there has to be a newline after the last entry in the > > hosts.allow file. > > I have never had sshd: ALL in there before, but now it seems to be > > required. > > After I added a newline after sshd: ALL it is working. > > > > I guess my only complaint about debian (after using it for over 1.5 > > years) is that it isnt always clear how the software was compiled by the > > debian packagers. No where did it tell me I had to have a hosts.allow > > entry and the deb package didnt put one there. > > > > Thanks everyone for all your help. Hope I can return the favor. > > > > Jason > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Jul 27 13:45:58 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19894] SSH Working. Thanks! References: <39807C86.1D427919@innominatus.com> <3980807B.5E8338D6@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39808366.FD9F01E8@innominatus.com> All I have in my hosts.deny is ALL: ALL. Then I let only the things I want through with hosts.allow. I was under the impression this was the most secure way to do it. Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Hmmm, betcha you have a ALL:Parinoid entry in /etc/hosts.deny. With that > option, you won't be able to access just about everything if your ip and > hostname don't matchup/resolve. The soultion is, fix your host name. =) > > You could add a ALL: IP Range of your ISP to hosts.allow, or if your on > static IP add a entry to /etc/hosts on the server machine. If your going > from an internal host to an internal host, get bind working to resolve > names for your internal network or add an entry in /etc/hosts for every > machine. > > -- > \\\|/// > \\ - - // > ( @ @ ) > ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ > ( ) > ooooO ) / > ( ) (_/ > \ ( > \_) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Jul 27 14:17:34 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19894] SSH Working. Thanks! In-Reply-To: <39808366.FD9F01E8@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:45:58PM -0500 References: <39807C86.1D427919@innominatus.com> <3980807B.5E8338D6@ltiflex.com> <39808366.FD9F01E8@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20000727141734.A46812@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Actually, you don't even need a hosts.deny. Just add DENY: ALL to the top of your hosts.allow. Gabe On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:45:58PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > All I have in my hosts.deny is ALL: ALL. > Then I let only the things I want through with hosts.allow. > > I was under the impression this was the most secure way to do it. > > > > Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Hmmm, betcha you have a ALL:Parinoid entry in /etc/hosts.deny. With that > > option, you won't be able to access just about everything if your ip and > > hostname don't matchup/resolve. The soultion is, fix your host name. =) > > > > You could add a ALL: IP Range of your ISP to hosts.allow, or if your on > > static IP add a entry to /etc/hosts on the server machine. If your going > > from an internal host to an internal host, get bind working to resolve > > names for your internal network or add an entry in /etc/hosts for every > > machine. > > > > -- > > \\\|/// > > \\ - - // > > ( @ @ ) > > ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- > > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ > > ( ) > > ooooO ) / > > ( ) (_/ > > \ ( > > \_) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna be a monkey. Monkey, monkey, monkey......" - Stimpy in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Thu Jul 27 16:10:27 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19888] debian In-Reply-To: <20000727174223.D52BF9489@destiny.ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Kozmik Krash wrote: > i cant get the debian iso file (i dont have burner, duh) > someone that has the new debian (woody, right?) will bring > it over to the installfest? :? If Zibby wants to lend me a blank CD and his burner I have the Test Cycle 3 ISO image downloaded. :) I think I'll be gone for the installfest though... Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Jul 27 16:29:38 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19888] debian References: Message-ID: <3980A9C2.469EA1AA@ltiflex.com> Use my burner all you want, but get your own damn CDs! -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Jul 28 12:30:45 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms Message-ID: <200007281730.MAA48191@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I'm not a RedHat user, for obvious reasons (no offense intended :), but I'm administering a handful of machines at work. Since I'm a Slack-feind, I need someone to please tell me how to do a little rpm trickery and get a list of all currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it didn't mention this (well, not in anyway that I could see). Is it possible? TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "The fearsome...veecous.....Crocostimpy!! If we leesten real close, we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren "Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy - Ren & Stimpy in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 28 12:32:39 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: <200007281730.MAA48191@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > someone to please tell me how to do a little rpm trickery and get a list of all > currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it rpm -qa -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Jul 28 12:40:53 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: from Yaron at "Jul 28, 2000 12:32:39 pm" Message-ID: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Rock! Now, just out of curiosity (since I could never figure it out), how does one list all installed .debs on a Debian box? :) Gabe > Hi, > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > > > someone to please tell me how to do a little rpm trickery and get a list of all > > currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it > > rpm -qa > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 28 12:39:16 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > Rock! Now, just out of curiosity (since I could never figure it out), how does > one list all installed .debs on a Debian box? :) I don't know, but you might as well share and tell us how to find all, uh, packages installed on a Slackware box? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jul 28 12:39:12 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms References: <200007281730.MAA48191@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3981C540.7896CE85@structural-wood.com> rpm -q -a "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > I'm not a RedHat user, for obvious reasons (no offense intended :), but I'm > administering a handful of machines at work. Since I'm a Slack-feind, I need > someone to please tell me how to do a little rpm trickery and get a list of all > currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it > didn't mention this (well, not in anyway that I could see). Is it possible? > > TIA, > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "The fearsome...veecous.....Crocostimpy!! If we leesten real close, > we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren > "Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy > - Ren & Stimpy in "Nature Show" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ryanb at wolfnettech.com Fri Jul 28 12:58:19 2000 From: ryanb at wolfnettech.com (Ryan Bethke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms References: <200007281730.MAA48191@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001301bff8bd$6a43d140$0a00a8c0@wolfnetryan> rpm -qa | grep less ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Turner (officer)" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms > I'm not a RedHat user, for obvious reasons (no offense intended :), but I'm > administering a handful of machines at work. Since I'm a Slack-feind, I need > someone to please tell me how to do a little rpm trickery and get a list of all > currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it > didn't mention this (well, not in anyway that I could see). Is it possible? > > TIA, > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "The fearsome...veecous.....Crocostimpy!! If we leesten real close, > we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren > "Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy > - Ren & Stimpy in "Nature Show" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Fri Jul 28 12:58:41 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I don't know, but you might as well share and tell us how to find all, uh, > packages installed on a Slackware box? > > -Yaron Type: pkgtool Select from: View: (will show all files installed from that package and where they were put) Remove: (removes the package, obviously) Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Jul 28 13:01:55 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > Rock! Now, just out of curiosity (since I could never figure it out), > how does one list all installed .debs on a Debian box? :) $ dpkg -l man dpkg is actually very descriptive of the available options. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Jul 28 13:14:26 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: <200007281730.MAA48191@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it > didn't mention this (well, not in anyway that I could see). Is it possible? Note that you can download the book, Maximum RPM (.ps file), for free. Andy > Gabe > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jul 28 13:39:08 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed debs... In-Reply-To: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from Gabe Turner on Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 12:40:53PM -0500 References: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000728133908.A9288@wookimus.net> On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 12:40:53PM -0500, Gabe Turner wrote: > Rock! Now, just out of curiosity (since I could never figure it out), how > does one list all installed .debs on a Debian box? :) $ dpkg -l -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(did I suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my computer over. Thanks for any help. A loyal Linux user. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From ben at nerp.net Fri Jul 28 16:23:06 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games In-Reply-To: <003b01bff8d8$71de9460$208be23f@gateway> Message-ID: well.. if it's just ufwest.net (sorry.. stuck on the old pun) you can grab up to about 8 ip's without pissing off the networking guys.. just plug a hub into the DSL router, and setup the other box.. otherwise if you can only have one box.. you will need to setup a linux box with 2 network cards to do ip_masq. which is a fairly simple thing to setup.. then you can do fancy stuff from there.. beware, DSL can sometimes route packets from your box, to your roomies box THROUGH the dsl line.. i've seen it before on ufwest.net service.. http://www.leonine.com/voice for a couple of good laughs at UFQwest's expsense. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since this list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined people who know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. (did I suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my computer over. > Thanks for any help. > > A loyal Linux user. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From magician at mninter.net Fri Jul 28 16:25:13 2000 From: magician at mninter.net (Magician) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: <003b01bff8d8$71de9460$208be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <00ea01bff8da$5168e0d0$0101a8c0@swdata.com> if he is running windows you can pick up a copy of Sygate it's a pretty cheap program and works quite well, Win 98 version 2 or whatever it is called has advanced networking capabilities built into it and you would not need Sygate it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure it. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since this list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined people who know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. (did I suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my computer over. Thanks for any help. A loyal Linux user. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Jul 28 16:31:30 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games In-Reply-To: <00ea01bff8da$5168e0d0$0101a8c0@swdata.com> Message-ID: bah.. screw that windows crap.. if you ask a linux user's group.. you should get a linux answer back ;) On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Magician wrote: > if he is running windows you can pick up a copy of Sygate it's a pretty > cheap program and works quite well, Win 98 version 2 or whatever it is > called has advanced networking capabilities built into it and you would not > need Sygate it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure it. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:11 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > > > Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since this > list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined people > who know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. (did I > suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its > now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can > play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if > possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must > be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that > I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my > computer over. > Thanks for any help. > > A loyal Linux user. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Fri Jul 28 16:36:46 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: Message-ID: <006001bff8db$eea3c620$208be23f@gateway> This is exactly what I was trying to avoid ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Kochie To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > bah.. screw that windows crap.. if you ask a linux user's group.. you > should get a linux answer back ;) > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Magician wrote: > > > if he is running windows you can pick up a copy of Sygate it's a pretty > > cheap program and works quite well, Win 98 version 2 or whatever it is > > called has advanced networking capabilities built into it and you would not > > need Sygate it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure it. > > > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > To: "TCLUG" > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:11 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > > > > > > Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since this > > list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined people > > who know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. (did I > > suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its > > now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can > > play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if > > possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must > > be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that > > I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my > > computer over. > > Thanks for any help. > > > > A loyal Linux user. > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From magician at mninter.net Fri Jul 28 16:34:31 2000 From: magician at mninter.net (Magician) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: Message-ID: <00ff01bff8db$9db4eeb0$0101a8c0@swdata.com> well he said it was his friends computer and while Linux is a heck of a lot better than Windoze a lot of people wont give em up and since he was asking with regards to his friend..... hence my reply which is quite easy Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kochie" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > bah.. screw that windows crap.. if you ask a linux user's group.. you > should get a linux answer back ;) > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Magician wrote: > > > if he is running windows you can pick up a copy of Sygate it's a pretty > > cheap program and works quite well, Win 98 version 2 or whatever it is > > called has advanced networking capabilities built into it and you would not > > need Sygate it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure it. > > > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > To: "TCLUG" > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:11 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > > > > > > Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since this > > list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined people > > who know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. (did I > > suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its > > now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can > > play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if > > possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must > > be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that > > I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my > > computer over. > > Thanks for any help. > > > > A loyal Linux user. > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 28 16:47:11 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: <006001bff8db$eea3c620$208be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <3981FF5F.EAB47064@tc.umn.edu> Andrew, Then you should definitely include _something_, _anything_, in the subject line saying this is offtopic: [OT] Dont think of me less for playing games (Off-Topic) Dont think of me less for playing games and make sure that people know that windows is a requirement and what equipment is available. To be fair, it may be something others here are interested in, but this is definitely not the place this type of question really belongs. Some kind of signal or hint that this isn't Linux related (at all) would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Troy Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > This is exactly what I was trying to avoid > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > > > bah.. screw that windows crap.. if you ask a linux user's group.. you > > should get a linux answer back ;) > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Magician wrote: > > > > > if he is running windows you can pick up a copy of Sygate it's a pretty > > > cheap program and works quite well, Win 98 version 2 or whatever it is > > > called has advanced networking capabilities built into it and you would > not > > > need Sygate it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure it. > > > > > > Ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > > > To: "TCLUG" > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:11 PM > > > Subject: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games > > > > > > > > > Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since > this > > > list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined > people > > > who know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. > (did I > > > suck up enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry > its > > > now Quest. What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us > can > > > play Half-life online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is > if > > > possible how would I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it > must > > > be possible due to the simplicity of windows networking, but I thought > that > > > I would get a second opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my > > > computer over. > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > A loyal Linux user. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I love to go shopping. I love to freak out salespeople. They ask me if they can help me, and I say, "Have you got anything I'd like?" Then they ask me what size I need, and I say, "Extra medium." -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Fri Jul 28 17:00:45 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: <3658177802@udlp.com> Message-ID: <3982028D.4EAEF355@udlp.com> > Listen I know that this question has nothing to do with linux but since this > list is full of knowledgeable, friendly and technologically inclined people who > know allot about net working I was hoping that you could help me. (did I suck up > enough?) Anyway my friend has DSL from USwest ohh no I'm sorry its now Quest. > What I want to do is hook up our computers so that both of us can play Half-life > online sharing the one DSL Connection. Now my question is if possible how would > I get this idea to work. I believe that some how it must be possible due to the > simplicity of windows networking, but I thought that I would get a second > opinion and some suggestions first before I drag my computer over. > Thanks for any help. > > A loyal Linux user. You need a gateway. If you use Windows95/98 you need thrid party software, maybe something like SyGate, which turns one computer into a gateway. Unix machines are inherently gateways. There are many ways you can setup your network using a Linux machine to facilitate a gateway. The way I've done this in the past is to use a Linux machine with two LAN cards, one for the DSL router and the other for my local LAN. Setup the network stuff accordingly (default gateway, DNS, etc...) and use ipchains to setup IP firewall rules. ipchains is the key to turning your machine into a gateway. There are quite a few README's on the topic, which will supply a much better description than I could possibly do. To give you an example, the following lines in my rc.local setup my firewall: /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60 /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY /sbin/ipchains -A forward -s 192.6.1.0/8 -j MASQ My local network is 192.6.1.0. The other option is to buy a "smart" router/hub. There are quite a few products on the market that act as both a hub and gateway. Most often they are configurable via a web page. I've seen them advertised for around $150. I think Linux is your best bet. :) -- Seth Bernsen Software Engineer United Defense Phone: 612-572-4993 Fax: 612-572-4858 http://www.udlp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Fri Jul 28 17:24:44 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19925] free repartition utility? Message-ID: Hello, (Not off topic): I've got a friend with this windows box.... and he sorta wants to install linux and test it out, but he has one hard drive and one large win98 (fat32?) partition. Is there a free, safe, repartitioning program that he can use so he can install linux without messing with backing up his win98 data and reformating, and reinstalling? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Jul 28 17:36:43 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19925] free repartition utility? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: have you tried good ol fips? (freshmeat.net) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > Hello, > > (Not off topic): I've got a friend with this windows box.... and he > sorta wants to install linux and test it out, but he has one hard drive > and one large win98 (fat32?) partition. Is there a free, safe, > repartitioning program that he can use so he can install linux without > messing with backing up his win98 data and reformating, and reinstalling? > > > Thanks, > > > Ben > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Jul 28 18:06:01 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19925] free repartition utility? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > (Not off topic): I've got a friend with this windows box.... and he > sorta wants to install linux and test it out, but he has one hard drive > and one large win98 (fat32?) partition. Is there a free, safe, > repartitioning program that he can use so he can install linux without > messing with backing up his win98 data and reformating, and reinstalling? Go with fips if you want free. No repartitioning utility is "safe", so messing with backing up is the only smart way to do it, if there's anything important on the w98 partition. Andy > Thanks, > > > Ben > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 28 19:17:40 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: Message-ID: <398222A4.BF9AFE4C@tc.umn.edu> Ben Kochie wrote: > > bah.. screw that windows crap.. if you ask a linux user's group.. you > should get a linux answer back ;) Of course, if he doesn't have the extra hardware necessary for a Linux router (you know, a computer..), the best option would be to do something on Windows. Then again, I recall you had a story about an old 386 with a 16-bit NIC and an 8-bit NIC that was perfectly decent at routing (well, 300kB/s). A configuration like that could probably be found for, like, less than $0.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Sector not found, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ search behind couch? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) (Y/N) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Jul 29 03:51:42 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19917] Dont think of me less for playing games References: <398222A4.BF9AFE4C@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39829B1E.68673E8C@tcfreenet.org> > Of course, if he doesn't have the extra hardware necessary for a Linux > router (you know, a computer..), the best option would be to do > something on Windows. > > Then again, I recall you had a story about an old 386 with a 16-bit NIC > and an 8-bit NIC that was perfectly decent at routing (well, 300kB/s). > A configuration like that could probably be found for, like, less than > $0.. Hmmm. Once the spiffy new K6-2 500 hardware gets here, I'll have two, count 'em, two 486s to get rid of... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Jul 29 04:04:51 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms References: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39829E33.1D25AD2@tcfreenet.org> > > > someone to please tell me how to do a little rpm trickery and get a list of all > > > currently installed rpms on a machine. I checked out the rpm manpage, but it Neat RPM tricks to know: rpm -qa # What you're asking for rpm -ql packagename # List files owned by an installed package rpm -qpl package.rpm # List files in a given RPM rpm -qf file/dir # Find out what that mysterious file belongs to... rpm -Va # Verify all packages. Good for discovering what to fix if you fsck up file permissions... *innocent look* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Sat Jul 29 10:08:51 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms In-Reply-To: <39829E33.1D25AD2@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: Neat dpkg tricks to know: dpkg -l # What you're asking for dpkg -L packagename # List files owned by an installed package dpkg --contents package.deb # List files in a given deb dpkg -S file/dir # Find out what that mysterious file belongs to... dpkg -C # Verify all packages. Good for discovering what to fix if you have packages with inst/rm scripts that misbehave, or if dpkg gets interrupted And those are just the ones that directly correspond to the rpm options that Callum wrote :) Here's some more: dpkg --configure --pending # Configure all unconfigured packages (to fix if dpkg gets interrupted) dpkg -p packagename # Show the description of a package dpkg -s packagename # Show the install status of a package dpkg --info package.deb # Show the description of a package file And I won't even start on APT. :) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 29 10:32:52 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19905] show all installed rpms References: <200007281740.MAA48233@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39829E33.1D25AD2@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3982F924.C1C38C9D@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > rpm -Va # Verify all packages. Good for discovering what to > fix if you fsck up file permissions... *innocent look* Also invaluable if your box gets cracked. You can find out if any important files (/bin/login, /bin/ls, /bin/ps, etc) were modified. Well, that will work until crackers start using RPMs... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I bought a million / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ lottery tickets. I won a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) dollar. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 29 14:03:20 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19933] Message from Fearless Leader Message-ID: <39832A78.9E6A463F@tc.umn.edu> Here's something I've been ignorant about because, well, I was ignorant about it.. http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html The gist: You may have noticed on many systems that /usr/include/asm is a symlink to /usr/src/linux/include/asm. Therefore, these files change when you unpack a new kernel into /usr/src/linux. Apparently, this is a Bad Thing, as some programs try to compile against the new headers, while your C libraries are compiled against the old headers. I don't quite understand the whole issue, but the basic fix is to *not* put new kernels into /usr/src/linux, and compile them in $HOME or somewhere else instead. Of course, if you're going around re-complinig C libraries all of the time, then go ahead and put the kernel in /usr/src/linux There are still some things that could be broken by this, but hopefully they're a very small minority of what an ordinary Linux user would be compiling.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Batteries not included. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Sat Jul 29 15:10:28 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware Message-ID: Hello, So dialpad offers free phone calls over the internet and the other end just uses a normal telephne. Pretty cool. It is written in Java but somehow only works with windows (err). Anyway know (tried) using their service under vmware (or wine?). Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 29 16:26:43 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > Hello, > > So dialpad offers free phone calls over the internet and the > other end just uses a normal telephne. Pretty cool. It is written in Java > but somehow only works with windows (err). Anyway know (tried) using > their service under vmware (or wine?). I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own: What's the catch? They can't possibly let you make calls just anywhere, can they? If they don't have a decoder and phone hook up within *every* local service area, they they're going to be paying somebody something at some time. Or is this another lame-brained "start the business and gamble that the money follows" schemes? Or do they make their money somewhere else? Or did you find a free lunch?! Cheers, Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Jul 29 16:41:34 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware References: Message-ID: <39834F8E.320CBDCA@tcfreenet.org> > > Hello, > > > > So dialpad offers free phone calls over the internet and the > > other end just uses a normal telephne. Pretty cool. It is written in Java > > but somehow only works with windows (err). Anyway know (tried) using > > their service under vmware (or wine?). > > I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own: > > What's the catch? > > They can't possibly let you make calls just anywhere, can they? If they > don't have a decoder and phone hook up within *every* local service area, > they they're going to be paying somebody something at some time. > > Or is this another lame-brained "start the business and gamble that the > money follows" schemes? Or do they make their money somewhere else? > Or did you find a free lunch?! I'd assume its slathered in advertising... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 29 17:24:36 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware In-Reply-To: <39834F8E.320CBDCA@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > I'd assume its slathered in advertising... I looked; it is. -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 29 23:10:08 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:19925] free repartition utility? Message-ID: <200007300410.e6U4AO226016@sprite.real-time.com> diskdrake is great, but you'll have to install EXACTLY Mandrake 6.1/7.0/7.1 otherwise, partition magic will do (ahh...waresh.. ;) K > have you tried good ol fips? (freshmeat.net) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > (Not off topic): I've got a friend with this windows box.... and he > > sorta wants to install linux and test it out, but he has one hard drive > > and one large win98 (fat32?) partition. Is there a free, safe, > > repartitioning program that he can use so he can install linux without > > messing with backing up his win98 data and reformating, and reinstalling? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ben > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sun Jul 30 00:07:02 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19939] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS:85] Back to school In-Reply-To: "Brian R. Barnholtz"'s message of "Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:02:51 -0500" References: <001f01bff9d2$a6432590$0200000a@BB2000> Message-ID: "Brian R. Barnholtz" writes: > Hello, > > I am thinking about going back to school. I have a B.A. in the sciences, but would like to migrate into the computer industry. Is there any specialty area in the computer industry which shows a need for people. It seems like everybody has a MCSE, but I would rather not go this route. I'd say go somewhere that'll get you some theory instead of just learning to program a language. That's what I did and it's really paid off. Since I know the theory it's easy to pick up another language and I end up doing design work as well as programming. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 30 02:46:03 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19939] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS:85] Back to school References: <001f01bff9d2$a6432590$0200000a@BB2000> Message-ID: <3983DD3B.E452E658@tc.umn.edu> I hope you folks will not take this seriously. Just a weekend joke. Apu * * * A tourist walks into a pet shop in Silicon Valley,and is browsing round the cages on display. While he's there, another customer walks in and says to the shopkeeper, "I'll have a C monkey, please". The shopkeeper nods, goes over to a cage at the side of the shop and takes out a monkey. He fits a collar and leash and hands it to the customer, saying "That'll be $5,000". The customer pays and walks out with his monkey. Startled, the tourist goes over to the shopkeeper. "That was a very expensive monkey - most of them are only a few hundred dollars. Why did it cost so much?" "Ah, that monkey can program in C - very fast, tight code, no bugs, well worth the money." The tourist looks at the monkeys in that cage. That one's even more expensive --$10,000! What does it do?" "Oh, that one's a C++ monkey; it can manage object-oriented programming, Visual C++, even some Java, all the really useful stuff." The tourist looks round for a little longer and sees a third monkey in a cage on its own. The price tag around its neck says $50,000. He gasps to the shopkeeper, "That one costs more than all the others put together! What on earth does it do?" "Well, I don't know if he does anything, but he says he's a consultant." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Sun Jul 30 09:57:31 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19941] Kernel Compile errors for 2.2.16 Message-ID: <20000730105731.A15126@attglobal.net> I am trying to compile the kernel 2.2.16. It looks like the "make xconfig" menu has modified a bit. Lot of the items have been merged into other menus. I have compiled kernels before, but this time I am getting quite a few errors. The compilation of the modules aborts with error messages. I have turned off everything that I do not need. I have turned off "sound" menu items, because I plan to use OSS sound driver. The error messages seems to be happening in the sound drivers and char device drivers. The char device drivers are very minimal in my configuration and sound device drivers are turned off. Is anyone else experiencing this problem while trying to compile 2.2.16? ======================================================== rame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m386 -DCPU=386 -DMODULE -c -o radio-miropcm20.o radio-miropcm20.c In file included from radio-miropcm20.c:13: ../sound/lowlevel/miroaci.h:9: #error Compiling a driver that needs the ACI-mixer but without ACI-mixer support radio-miropcm20.c: In function `pcm20_mute': radio-miropcm20.c:33: warning: implicit declaration of function `aci_write_cmd' radio-miropcm20.c: In function `pcm20_setfreq': radio-miropcm20.c:73: warning: implicit declaration of function `aci_write_cmd_d' radio-miropcm20.c: In function `pcm20_getsigstr': radio-miropcm20.c:81: warning: implicit declaration of function `aci_indexed_cmd' make[2]: *** [radio-miropcm20.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/drivers/char' make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_char] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/drivers' make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2 ======================================================== Thank you in advance. Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From escargo at anubis.network.com Sun Jul 30 10:18:34 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19925] free repartition utility? Message-ID: <200007301518.KAA26597@rainier.network.com> Another alternative is to try Linux by using an installation that installs into Windows itself. Probably the most obvious is www.demolinux.org. I have a heading in my bookmarks file called "Linux that needs no ext2 partition" that has eight entries. Look at http://www.skypoint.com/members/escargo/bookmarks.html and search for that heading. (But only if you don't mind waiting for the whole, real, bookmarks to load, about 1/2 megabytes). dsc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Sun Jul 30 12:48:23 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware In-Reply-To: <39834F8E.320CBDCA@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: > > What's the catch? > > > I'd assume its slathered in advertising... The catch is that they force you to watch advertising. They've been around for a while so I think they aren't losing too much money -- they can probably get the $0.05/min it costs for a region phone call off advertising. But if you're looking for a free lunch, if you can get it to work under linux you can just move to a different virtual desktop and not see the advertising! Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 30 15:41:34 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > What's the catch? > > > > > I'd assume its slathered in advertising... > > The catch is that they force you to watch advertising. They've been > around for a while so I think they aren't losing too much money -- they > can probably get the $0.05/min it costs for a region phone call off > advertising. But if you're looking for a free lunch, if you can get it to > work under linux you can just move to a different virtual desktop and not > see the advertising! Couldn't one just turn off their monitor during the call, regardless of system? Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 30 16:06:29 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware References: Message-ID: <398498D5.68DC412F@tc.umn.edu> Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > > > What's the catch? > > > > > > > I'd assume its slathered in advertising... > > > > The catch is that they force you to watch advertising. They've been > > around for a while so I think they aren't losing too much money -- they > > can probably get the $0.05/min it costs for a region phone call off > > advertising. But if you're looking for a free lunch, if you can get it to > > work under linux you can just move to a different virtual desktop and not > > see the advertising! > > Couldn't one just turn off their monitor during the call, regardless of > system? I'm not sure if dialpad does this, but some of those places will require you to keep clicking a button over and over again (once every 30-60 seconds) to refresh the ads and to serve as a sort of keepalive thing. Of course, you could probably figure out the data that it is sending back and forth and make some sort of program that does this stuff automatically.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ As a computer, I find / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ your faith in technology \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) amusing. - computer [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Sun Jul 30 16:51:42 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19934] dialpad, linux and vmware In-Reply-To: <398498D5.68DC412F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > I'm not sure if dialpad does this, but some of those places will require > you to keep clicking a button over and over again (once every 30-60 > seconds) to refresh the ads and to serve as a sort of keepalive thing. > Of course, you could probably figure out the data that it is sending > back and forth and make some sort of program that does this stuff > automatically.. Dialpad doesn't do this, but I wonder what would happen if you ran it through a junkbuster web proxy. hmm.... Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Jul 30 17:14:36 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19941] Kernel Compile errors for 2.2.16 References: <20000730105731.A15126@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <3984A8CC.153AEA7F@tcfreenet.org> > rame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m386 -DCPU=386 -DMODULE -c -o radio-miropcm20.o radio-miropcm20.c > In file included from radio-miropcm20.c:13: > ../sound/lowlevel/miroaci.h:9: #error Compiling a driver that needs the ACI-mixer but without ACI-mixer support > radio-miropcm20.c: In function `pcm20_mute': > radio-miropcm20.c:33: warning: implicit declaration of function `aci_write_cmd' > radio-miropcm20.c: In function `pcm20_setfreq': > radio-miropcm20.c:73: warning: implicit declaration of function `aci_write_cmd_d' > radio-miropcm20.c: In function `pcm20_getsigstr': > radio-miropcm20.c:81: warning: implicit declaration of function `aci_indexed_cmd' > make[2]: *** [radio-miropcm20.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/drivers/char' > make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_char] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/drivers' > make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2 Did you disable the Miro radio driver in the Video 4 Linux section? Or do you want it? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 31 09:50:40 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19925] free repartition utility? References: <200007301518.KAA26597@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <39859240.73F19E25@ltiflex.com> To avoid partition, there's the umsdos filesystem. You'll take a performance hit, and do some funky dos bat files to boot the thing, but it works. On the other hand, in the world of big cheap hard disks, this is kinda obselete. fips works for repartitioning. It's been so long that I couldn't begin to tell you how to use it. The linux version of fdisk can do it too. I have no freaking idea how my college roomate did it, or how he figured it out. Personally, when ever I have to repartition I pull out Partition Magic (searches personal archives...where did it go) Yes, it runs under windows, but it's easy to use, and I've never had it botch a partition. The worst thing it's done is hose lilo, which is expected. Always have a rescue disk on hand when repartitioning or installing winders. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 31 12:06:57 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K Message-ID: <00b201bffb11$bbd77a60$dd29680a@tgt.com> How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to 640K/272K. wan0 ADSL Physical Port Line Trained 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud Line Quality 26 dB TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB GTI FW Rel 3.00 USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 12:12:14 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 In-Reply-To: <00b201bffb11$bbd77a60$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Question: Does someone recall when glibc2.1 made it into Debian? Is it in 2.1 (slink)? Trying to track down a segmentation fault error when running a license manager, which makes it tough to run the app (Maple) Best, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 31 12:15:03 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19951] OpenLDAP/NSS/PAM Message-ID: <3985B417.90B9F6EC@ltiflex.com> Well, I've been playing with LDAP for awile now, and the company directory is up and running. Users like it. All is well. But I want to take it a bit further, and go beyond being a quick way to fill a users addressbook. I know that with nss-ldap and pam-ldap you can set up authnitication services (and samba has support for domain control with a LDAP back-end...unsupported and unstable as it may be...), but finding online documentation has proven to be a bit...difficult. So I'm wondering if anyone has set this up before, knows of or has come across decent documentation, or has any tips. Thanks, and I'll let you know if anything fruitful comes from this endevor. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 31 12:29:45 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19952] [msw@redhat.com: Announcing Red Hat Linux "Pinstripe" - a Beta release] Message-ID: <20000731122945.W22267@real-time.com> TCLUG local mirror just completed the transfer. Have fun. ----- Forwarded message from Matt Wilson ----- > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:19:54 -0400 > From: Matt Wilson > To: redhat-announce-list@redhat.com > Subject: Announcing Red Hat Linux "Pinstripe" - a Beta release > X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/500 > > Announcing... > > Red Hat Linux "Pinstripe" > a Beta release > > Red Hat. Inc. presents a beta release of Red Hat Linux for your > hacking pleasure. First, the regular drill: > > This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux. It is not intended for > mission critical applications. It's not even intended for > non-mission critical applications. Important data should not be > entrusted to Pinstripe, as it may eat it and make loud belching > noises. > > Significant changes have been made since the last version of Red Hat > Linux. We need your help to find and report bugs. Search for > existing bug reports for problems you find by using bugzilla at: > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ > > Attach patches if you're motivated! > > This beta includes so much cutting edge software, the binary packages > come on two iso images. The installation program now handles reading > packages from multiple CDs. > > * Where can I get this release? > > Pinstripe can be downloaded from our public FTP site at: > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe > > With the support of volunteers ftp site administrators, Pinstripe is > available from several mirrors. The following have complete copies of > Pinstripe, please use a mirror close to you: > > North Carolina, USA: > ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > California, USA: > ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > California, USA: > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://www.kernel.org/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Connecticut, USA: > ftp://ftp.uselinux.org/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Indiana, USA: > ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Michigan, USA: > ftp://mrhankey.bizserve.com/pub/linux/redhat/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > New York, USA: > ftp://ftp.ee.cornell.edu/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe > > Pennsylvania, USA: > ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Pennsylvania, USA: > ftp://cronus.res.cmu.edu/pub/linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/pinstripe/ > > Tennessee, USA: > ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Australia: > ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Germany: > ftp://ftp.gmd.de/mirrors/redhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Germany: > ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Norway: > (ISO images only) > ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Peru: > ftp://sajino.terra.com.pe/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > Japan: > ftp://ftp.kddlabs.co.jp/Linux/packages/RedHat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ > > * What's new in this beta? > > General system improvements: > o FHS compliant packaging of files > /usr/man is now /usr/share/man > /usr/doc is now /usr/share/doc > /usr/info is now /usr/share/info > See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ for more information > > o Document roots for Apache and anonymous FTP are removed from > /home so it may be automounted. > > o Packages with services are automatically restarted on live > upgrades > > o Expanded LDAP integration > > o Expanded Kerberos integration > > Core system components: > o glibc 2.1.91 > o XFree86 4.0.1, XFree86 4.0.1 runtime environment > o XFree86 3.3.6 X servers included for maximum hardware compatibility > o GNOME 1.2 > o kernel 2.2.16 > o GCC 2.96 > > Expanded hardware support: > o Basic USB support (mouse and keyboards) > o Expanded hardware accelerated 3-D support > > System service changes: > o inetd replaced by xinetd > o BSD lpr replaced by LPRng > > A sampling of package upgrades: > o GIMP 1.1.24 > o Perl 5.6.0 > o Tcl/Tk 8.3.1 > > A sampling of Package additions: > o SDL, smpeg > o SANE > o gphoto > o MySQL > o AbiWord > o dia > o ispell has been replaced by aspell > o XEmacs > > Next generation development library previews included: > o pango: Unicode font rendering > See http://www.pango.org/ > o Inti: C++ foundation libraries including GTK+ GUI toolkit classes > See http://sources.redhat.com/inti/ > > Enjoy! > > The OS Development Team > Red Hat, Inc. > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jul 31 12:49:53 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K In-Reply-To: <00b201bffb11$bbd77a60$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I noticed this with some of our customers. My feeling was that US-West wasn't rate limiting customers in areas where they didn't need too, but that apparently isn't the case. Of course I'm not seeing it at my place (^&*!). Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? > > It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to 640K/272K. > > wan0 ADSL Physical Port > Line Trained > 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud > Line Quality 26 dB > TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB > GTI FW Rel 3.00 > > USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Mon Jul 31 12:58:22 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K Message-ID: <381350316.965066302401.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to 640K/272K. I haven't checked my router settings, but I've noticed that my DSL is no longer 256K up/down. I'm frequently pulling stuff down in the 500-600K region. wan0 ADSL Physical Port Line Trained 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud Line Quality 26 dB TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB GTI FW Rel 3.00 USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Jul 31 13:14:48 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 References: Message-ID: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com> glibc 2.1 has yet to make in into a stable debian distribution. Slink is glibc2.0. Potato (2.2) and Woody (2.3) are 2.1 based. Potato is frozen and in the third test cycle, woody is temper...I mean developmental (unstable). -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 31 13:16:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K References: Message-ID: <00df01bffb1b$764f4ae0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Did you check your router? Log into the router and type: sh int wan0 and see what you are trained at. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Maloney To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > Yeah, I noticed this with some of our customers. My feeling was that > US-West wasn't rate limiting customers in areas where they didn't need > too, but that apparently isn't the case. Of course I'm not seeing it at > my place (^&*!). > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? > > > > It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to 640K/272K. > > > > wan0 ADSL Physical Port > > Line Trained > > 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud > > Line Quality 26 dB > > TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB > > GTI FW Rel 3.00 > > > > USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 31 13:17:22 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 References: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <00f601bffb1b$9233f2b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Yeah - it is moving along at a Mozilla's pace :) The debian team appears a bit to anal. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Zbikowski To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 > glibc 2.1 has yet to make in into a stable debian distribution. Slink is > glibc2.0. Potato (2.2) and Woody (2.3) are 2.1 based. Potato is frozen > and in the third test cycle, woody is temper...I mean developmental > (unstable). > > -- > \\\|/// > \\ - - // > ( @ @ ) > ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ > ( ) > ooooO ) / > ( ) (_/ > \ ( > \_) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 13:19:40 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 In-Reply-To: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > glibc 2.1 has yet to make in into a stable debian distribution. Slink is > glibc2.0. Potato (2.2) and Woody (2.3) are 2.1 based. Potato is frozen > and in the third test cycle, woody is temper...I mean developmental > (unstable). So if that's what my problem turns out to be, upgrading the libs should not be a big deal (relatively.) Am I in error? Cheers, Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jul 31 13:22:50 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K In-Reply-To: <00df01bffb1b$764f4ae0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah, I checked it...256k / 272k. But I didn't exactly qualify. They had to roll a truck and remove bridge tap, and even then I barely qualified. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Did you check your router? Log into the router and type: > > sh int wan0 > > and see what you are trained at. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adam Maloney > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > > > > Yeah, I noticed this with some of our customers. My feeling was that > > US-West wasn't rate limiting customers in areas where they didn't need > > too, but that apparently isn't the case. Of course I'm not seeing it at > > my place (^&*!). > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? > > > > > > It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to 640K/272K. > > > > > > wan0 ADSL Physical Port > > > Line Trained > > > 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud > > > Line Quality 26 dB > > > TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB > > > GTI FW Rel 3.00 > > > > > > USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Jul 31 13:26:44 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K References: Message-ID: <011901bffb1c$e1b19170$dd29680a@tgt.com> What is your current line quality. I have noticed a drop of 7dB since the move from 256 to 640. If you already low - it probably won't train that high. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Maloney To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > Oh yeah, I checked it...256k / 272k. But I didn't exactly qualify. They > had to roll a truck and remove bridge tap, and even then I barely > qualified. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Did you check your router? Log into the router and type: > > > > sh int wan0 > > > > and see what you are trained at. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Adam Maloney > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > > > > > > > Yeah, I noticed this with some of our customers. My feeling was that > > > US-West wasn't rate limiting customers in areas where they didn't need > > > too, but that apparently isn't the case. Of course I'm not seeing it at > > > my place (^&*!). > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? > > > > > > > > It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to 640K/272K. > > > > > > > > wan0 ADSL Physical Port > > > > Line Trained > > > > 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud > > > > Line Quality 26 dB > > > > TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB > > > > GTI FW Rel 3.00 > > > > > > > > USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jul 31 13:33:36 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K In-Reply-To: <011901bffb1c$e1b19170$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Can you say "barely legal"? 20db. I believe when I first got it installed I was in the high 20's, like 26 or 28. I just upgraded to 2.3.2-release before I left for vacation, and since then I've seen it disconnecting a lot but I just got back last night so I haven't had a chance to roll back to 2.2 to see if that fixes the problem. netweed#sh int wan0 wan0 ADSL Physical Port Line Trained 256 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 down baud; 136 up baud Line Quality 20 dB TX Power +10.1 dB Remote TX Power +17.3 dB GTI FW Rel B.90 Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > What is your current line quality. I have noticed a drop of 7dB since the > move from 256 to 640. If you already low - it probably won't train that > high. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adam Maloney > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > > > > Oh yeah, I checked it...256k / 272k. But I didn't exactly qualify. They > > had to roll a truck and remove bridge tap, and even then I barely > > qualified. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > Did you check your router? Log into the router and type: > > > > > > sh int wan0 > > > > > > and see what you are trained at. > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Adam Maloney > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I noticed this with some of our customers. My feeling was that > > > > US-West wasn't rate limiting customers in areas where they didn't need > > > > too, but that apparently isn't the case. Of course I'm not seeing it > at > > > > my place (^&*!). > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > How many of you are seeing 640K downloads from the USWest DSL? > > > > > > > > > > It appears that all of the routers that can are retraining to > 640K/272K. > > > > > > > > > > wan0 ADSL Physical Port > > > > > Line Trained > > > > > 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 340 baud > > > > > Line Quality 26 dB > > > > > TX Power +11.3 dB Remote TX Power +18.7 dB > > > > > GTI FW Rel 3.00 > > > > > > > > > > USWest.net customers have been seeing greater bandwidth. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Jul 31 13:56:31 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 In-Reply-To: <00f601bffb1b$9233f2b0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 01:17:22PM -0500 References: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com> <00f601bffb1b$9233f2b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000731135631.B22205@ringworld.org> Jeezus. You redhat users dont know what stability is. :) 'unstable' and 'frozen' have been better acting to me than many redhat 'stable' installs. ;) Anyhow, debian had glibc out there first. In potato. Just that debian makes a full interworking dist, not a bundle of packages that happen to work together. * Thomas T. Veldhouse [000731 13:21]: > Yeah - it is moving along at a Mozilla's pace :) The debian team appears a > bit to anal. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Zbikowski > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 > > > > glibc 2.1 has yet to make in into a stable debian distribution. Slink is > > glibc2.0. Potato (2.2) and Woody (2.3) are 2.1 based. Potato is frozen > > and in the third test cycle, woody is temper...I mean developmental > > (unstable). > > > > -- > > \\\|/// > > \\ - - // > > ( @ @ ) > > ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- > > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ > > ( ) > > ooooO ) / > > ( ) (_/ > > \ ( > > \_) > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I cannot find any info on it on HP's site. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Jul 31 14:54:08 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19963] HP Open Mail In-Reply-To: <20000731144851.C22079@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is HP Open Mail still a per seat cost thingie? > I cannot find any info on it on HP's site. http://www.internetsolutions.enterprise.hp.com/linux/ -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Jul 31 14:59:10 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19963] HP Open Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Chuck Milam wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Is HP Open Mail still a per seat cost thingie? > > I cannot find any info on it on HP's site. > > http://www.internetsolutions.enterprise.hp.com/linux/ More detail: http://www.ice.hp.com/cyc/om/00/showfile.cgi?100-1458 -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 16:16:19 2000 From: g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19966] [OT] How to have a Linux vacation Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000731161619.00a94e30@g-swan.email.umn.edu> (I would have sent this to the tclug-jobs-list but nobody goes there... do they?) I'm finally (after 3 years!) going on an extended vacation starting Friday (3-4 weeks). Does anyone have any suggestions of how to connect with short term, temporary, relatively mindless, computer work, .... setting up machines out of the box with simple installs (take it out of the box, plug it in, dust it off, go "oooh, aaah, aren't you lucky" and then leave 'em with the trainer)? Are there any reliable temp agencies people would recommend? Other ideas?????? gs ****************************************** George Swan Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Jul 31 16:20:29 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19966] [OT] How to have a Linux vacation In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000731161619.00a94e30@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: that's actualy a good question for this list.. (atleast i think so) where do you find good linux temps.. a new thing.. i'd almost say ask some place like teksystems.. but i worked for teksystems, and I hate them.. :) there are several other places around town that might be able to find you something.. the normal contracting agencies might be able to scrape up a linux geek or two.. not in the official list.. but maybe. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, George Swan wrote: > (I would have sent this to the tclug-jobs-list but nobody goes there... do > they?) > > I'm finally (after 3 years!) going on an extended vacation starting Friday > (3-4 weeks). > > Does anyone have any suggestions of how to connect with short term, > temporary, relatively mindless, computer work, .... setting up machines out > of the box with simple installs (take it out of the box, plug it in, dust > it off, go "oooh, aaah, aren't you lucky" and then leave 'em with the > trainer)? > > Are there any reliable temp agencies people would recommend? > > Other ideas?????? > > gs > > ****************************************** > George Swan > Collection Development Support Unit VOICE: (612) 624-5860 > Room 170B, Wilson Library FAX: (612) 626-9353 > University of Minnesota Libraries g-swan@tc.umn.edu > 309 19th Avenue South cdm-web@tc.umn.edu > Minneapolis, MN 55455 colldev@tc.umn.edu > USA http://staff.lib.umn.edu/cdm/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jonathankl at ism-sabis.net Mon Jul 31 16:58:25 2000 From: jonathankl at ism-sabis.net (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW Message-ID: <005201bffb3a$7f087980$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Okay heres the deal: I need/want to make myself a system admin disk. I want it bootable and able to boot linux(maybe the bbc), dos, and a memory checker whichs can be booted through lilo. Has anyone ever written lilo to a cdr or cdrw? Once I get the bootable stuff done, I need to add some other files, and sys admin tools, like fdisk, format.... Ghost, Drive Image................. Most of the stuff I need from a day to day bais. I want this cd to be the bomb. Anyone have any ideas as to how to do the bootable thing with dos, linux and the memory manger? TIA: ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Jonathan A. Kline, A+ Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ --END Geek Code-- ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Mon Jul 31 17:13:16 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW Message-ID: Best way to do this is to make a bootable floppy with the kernel you require and use the SYSLINUX program. You can than mount the CDROM itself and continue the boot process from there. Lilo is kind of an annoyance. Jer Okay heres the deal: I need/want to make myself a system admin disk. I want it bootable and able to boot linux(maybe the bbc), dos, and a memory checker whichs can be booted through lilo. Has anyone ever written lilo to a cdr or cdrw? Once I get the bootable stuff done, I need to add some other files, and sys admin tools, like fdisk, format.... Ghost, Drive Image................. Most of the stuff I need from a day to day bais. I want this cd to be the bomb. Anyone have any ideas as to how to do the bootable thing with dos, linux and the memory manger? TIA: ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Jonathan A. Kline, A+ Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ --END Geek Code-- ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Mon Jul 31 17:18:50 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K Message-ID: I guess this isn't too un-public: All the 256K DSL was provisioned at 640/272 for a long time, as that was the lowest provisioning above 256 bi-directional allowed. Then an upgrade to the software allowed them to provision at actual 256, so they started doing that for a while. For a variety of reasons, we decided that was too low, (I wasn't privvy to discussions either way) and went through and switched everyone back. This month everyone who was provisioned at less than 640/272 was switched to that rate, the only exception being IDSL customers. Jer Smith QWEST --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Jul 31 17:41:38 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW In-Reply-To: jrsmit2@uswest.com's message of "Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:13:16 -0500" References: Message-ID: I'd like to do the same thing, but I don't have a floppy drive in my server. So the SYSLINUX boot idea won't work. jrsmit2@uswest.com writes: > Best way to do this is to make a bootable floppy with the kernel you require > and use the SYSLINUX program. > You can than mount the CDROM itself and continue the boot process from > there. Lilo is kind of an annoyance. > > Jer > > Okay heres the deal: > I need/want to make myself a system admin disk. I want it bootable and > able to boot linux(maybe the bbc), dos, and a memory checker whichs can be > booted through lilo. Has anyone ever written lilo to a cdr or cdrw? Once I > get the bootable stuff done, I need to add some other files, and sys admin > tools, like fdisk, format.... Ghost, Drive Image................. Most of > the stuff I need from a day to day bais. I want this cd to be the bomb. > Anyone have any ideas as to how to do the bootable thing with dos, linux and > the memory manger? > > > TIA: > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > Jonathan A. Kline, A+ > Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN > > --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- > GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- > W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) > t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ > --END Geek Code-- > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jul 31 18:06:45 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Woot!!! I guess my DSL hasn't retrained since before I left. I just reloaded it and: netweed#sh int wan0 wan0 ADSL Physical Port Line Trained 512 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 down baud; 136 up baud Line Quality 23 dB TX Power +10.1 dB Remote TX Power +17.3 dB GTI FW Rel B.90 Now I'll start tweaking the line build-out and see if we can get that a little better :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > I guess this isn't too un-public: > > All the 256K DSL was provisioned at 640/272 for a long time, as that was the > lowest provisioning above 256 bi-directional allowed. > Then an upgrade to the software allowed them to provision at actual 256, so > they started doing that for a while. For a variety of reasons, we decided > that was too low, (I wasn't privvy to discussions either way) and went > through and switched everyone back. > > This month everyone who was provisioned at less than 640/272 was switched to > that rate, the only exception being IDSL customers. > > Jer Smith > QWEST > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Jul 31 18:58:30 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: <005201bffb3a$7f087980$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <398612A6.6BAAD931@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Jonathan Kline wrote: I've pondered this problem a little. I had a thought but haven't actually tried it. I'll just toss it out there, feel free to shoot it down. What if you built the system you want on a loopback device, LILO and all. Then burn the image to a CD. I could see how this might confuse LILO, it not knowing where to bootstrap the kernel from. A couple of questions that may be important. Does LILO store the boot info as an absolute address on a disk or relative to itself? Does it even matter if you did this all inside a file with loopback; i.e. would LILO just get it right for the file and carry it over to the CD when you burnt the image? Charlie > Okay heres the deal: > I need/want to make myself a system admin disk. I want it bootable and > able to boot linux(maybe the bbc), dos, and a memory checker whichs can be > booted through lilo. Has anyone ever written lilo to a cdr or cdrw? Once I > get the bootable stuff done, I need to add some other files, and sys admin > tools, like fdisk, format.... Ghost, Drive Image................. Most of > the stuff I need from a day to day bais. I want this cd to be the bomb. > Anyone have any ideas as to how to do the bootable thing with dos, linux and > the memory manger? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Jul 31 19:56:31 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 In-Reply-To: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 01:14:48PM -0500 References: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000731195631.A10477@localhost> On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 01:14:48PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: >glibc 2.1 has yet to make in into a stable debian distribution. Slink is >glibc2.0. Potato (2.2) and Woody (2.3) are 2.1 based. Potato is frozen >and in the third test cycle, woody is temper...I mean developmental >(unstable). > You know I run woody exclusively on my desktops and laptops (admittedly my production boxen are frozen) and I NEVER have any, as you say, temper I mean unstable problems. I think it's terrific. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 20:16:46 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19950] Debian glibc2.1 References: <3985C218.AEED2A9A@ltiflex.com> <00f601bffb1b$9233f2b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000731135631.B22205@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <398624FE.36D97AC0@tc.umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: > > Anyhow, debian had glibc out there first. In potato. Just that debian > makes a full interworking dist, not a bundle of packages that happen to > work together. I don't play with Debian a whole lot, but I noticed that potato has a lot of the necessary stuff for IPv6. That's pretty cool, IMHO. I just wish I had a system connected to a network that actually runs IPv6 :-p -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Does fuzzy logic tickle? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Mon Jul 31 20:22:29 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19976] headers in pine Message-ID: This is really sad, but how do I view headers in pine? I something need to get the ip address from a computer by the headers in its e-mail, but I can't with pine. If I save the message (imap for mail) it doesn't save the headers and I can't view it the headers, -- I've been going to netscape mail and saying show all headers, but there must be a better way. Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jeffclehman at mediaone.net Mon Jul 31 20:35:10 2000 From: jeffclehman at mediaone.net (Jeffrey C. Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19977] IPMASQADM Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000731203410.00b4ef08@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I'm having a problem getting port forwarding working. This is what happens (as root): ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L -R results in portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument ipmasqadm portfw -l results in: portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument Could not open "/proc/net/ip_masq/portfw" Could not open "/proc/net/ip_portfw" Check if you have enabled portforwarding I have a RedHat 6.2 system with a custom 2.2.14 kernel. Masquerading works alright so I'm wondering whether I missed an option while I was compiling the kernel or whether I installed ipmasqadm wrong. rpm -qa | grep ipmasqadm results in ipmasqadm-0.4.2-3 Are there any other tests to determine whether I compiled the kernel with this option? Here is my /usr/src/linux/.config network section # # Networking options # CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_NETLINK=y CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y CONFIG_FIREWALL=y CONFIG_FILTER=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER=y CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y CONFIG_NETLINK=y CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_TOS=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_VERBOSE=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_LARGE_TABLES=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_NAT=y # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL_NETLINK=y CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_FWMARK=y CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTER=y CONFIG_NET_IPIP=y CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=y CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y CONFIG_INET_RARP=y CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y # CONFIG_IPX is not set # CONFIG_ATALK is not set TIA, Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 20:29:33 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19976] headers in pine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > This is really sad, but how do I view headers in pine? I something need > to get the ip address from a computer by the headers in its e-mail, but I > can't with pine. If I save the message (imap for mail) it doesn't save > the headers and I can't view it the headers, -- I've been going to > netscape mail and saying show all headers, but there must be a better way. Aw, man, isn't grepping the message folder good enough for you? Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Mon Jul 31 20:32:42 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19976] headers in pine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > This is really sad, but how do I view headers in pine? I something need > > to get the ip address from a computer by the headers in its e-mail, but I > > can't with pine. If I save the message (imap for mail) it doesn't save > > the headers and I can't view it the headers, -- I've been going to > > netscape mail and saying show all headers, but there must be a better way. > > Aw, man, isn't grepping the message folder good enough for you? How do you grep an imap (remote) folder? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 20:47:35 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: <005201bffb3a$7f087980$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39862C37.F69BCFDD@tc.umn.edu> Jonathan Kline wrote: > > Okay heres the deal: > I need/want to make myself a system admin disk. I want it bootable and > able to boot linux(maybe the bbc), dos, and a memory checker whichs can be > booted through lilo. Has anyone ever written lilo to a cdr or cdrw? Once I > get the bootable stuff done, I need to add some other files, and sys admin > tools, like fdisk, format.... Ghost, Drive Image................. Most of > the stuff I need from a day to day bais. I want this cd to be the bomb. > Anyone have any ideas as to how to do the bootable thing with dos, linux and > the memory manger? Well, this shouldn't be that hard. To start off, make a directory on a Linux box where you want to put everything together. I'd fill it with a minimal filesystem of utilities and whatnot. I presume you'll be using a regular 5" CD? You can afford to dump a lot of stuff in there. The boot scripts will take a lot of fiddling (but hey, that's what CD-RW's are for ;-) Print out the man pages for init and other basic system programs and read them thoroughly. Take a lot of notes, etc.. In addition to all of this Linux stuff, create a directory named DOS or some other obvious name. dump DOS fdisk, format, etc. in there. You can also create a UTILS subdirectory for all of the DOS utilities you want to use. It would probably be a good idea to put LOADLIN.EXE in that directory as well. At some point, you had to make a diskette to get this whole thing to boot. I'd recommend making a DOS diskette that includes the drivers necessary for reading your CDROM. You don't really need anything else on that disk, as you can put any other utilities (mouse drivers, etc) on the CD itself, and it makes for a faster boot when you read as little as possible from the diskette. After a while, you'll get brave and make an image of the diskette (dd is your friend). You can include that image when you run mkisofs or whatever program you run to make the ISO image from that directory structure you made up above. Your CD will now boot DOS. You can get it to boot Linux with a batch file that calls LOADLIN with the correct parameters (oops, I almost forgot, you have to put a linux kernel somewhere on the CD). The LinuxCare BBC has some routines for automatically figuring out where the root filesystem is. You'd have to modify that to look for an iso9660 filesystem instead of ext2, but that shouldn't be a big problem. Of course, if you're feeling masochistic, you can put the whole Linux filesystem into a (possibly compressed) image. I don't think that's really necessary unless you really want to cram a huge amount of data onto the disc. Keep in mind that I've never actually done this.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why do we wash bath / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ towels? Aren't we clean \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) when we use them? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pwiechman at talkware.net Mon Jul 31 20:49:06 2000 From: pwiechman at talkware.net (Paul Wiechman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19977] IPMASQADM References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000731203410.00b4ef08@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <39862C92.11D94F2A@talkware.net> It looks like you dont have the experimental autofw and portfw options compiled in, or as modules. Paul Wiechman "Jeffrey C. Lehman" wrote: > I'm having a problem getting port forwarding working. This is what happens > (as root): > > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L -R > > results in > portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument > > ipmasqadm portfw -l > > results in: > portfw: setsockopt failed: Invalid argument > Could not open "/proc/net/ip_masq/portfw" > Could not open "/proc/net/ip_portfw" > Check if you have enabled portforwarding > > I have a RedHat 6.2 system with a custom 2.2.14 kernel. Masquerading works > alright so I'm wondering whether I missed an option while I was compiling > the kernel or whether I installed ipmasqadm wrong. > > rpm -qa | grep ipmasqadm > > results in > ipmasqadm-0.4.2-3 > > Are there any other tests to determine whether I compiled the kernel with > this option? Here is my /usr/src/linux/.config network section > > # > # Networking options > # > CONFIG_PACKET=y > CONFIG_NETLINK=y > CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y > CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y > CONFIG_FIREWALL=y > CONFIG_FILTER=y > CONFIG_UNIX=y > CONFIG_INET=y > # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set > CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER=y > CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y > CONFIG_NETLINK=y > CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_TOS=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_VERBOSE=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_LARGE_TABLES=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_NAT=y > # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set > CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y > CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL_NETLINK=y > CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_FWMARK=y > CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y > CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTER=y > CONFIG_NET_IPIP=y > CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=y > CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y > CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y > CONFIG_INET_RARP=y > CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y > # CONFIG_IPX is not set > # CONFIG_ATALK is not set > > TIA, > Jeff > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Mon Jul 31 20:52:37 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19982] imapd error: command stream Message-ID: Anyone know what this error message means: My internet search says that it is time out errors from outlook clients, but this is on a small internal network over imap with a win95 client runing mulberry. Any ideas? Jul 31 15:33:10 server imapd[1557]: Login failure user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:33:17 server imapd[1557]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:36:35 server imapd[1558]: Login failure user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:36:40 server imapd[1558]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] I'm getting it in my log files and I've heard complaints of users not being able to connect to e-mail. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Mon Jul 31 20:59:19 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19983] stranger imapd problems (some users fail) Message-ID: Ok, I looked at the logs more closely and it appears that from one computer (192.168.1.233) some users cannot connect to the imap server while others can. The command stream end of file is, I think, a bland error message that means that the client got disconnected before saying logout -- but why is it dependend on who the user logs in as? This is the washinton imapd server and mulberry on win95 for a client. It appears to be working on other (same software) clients. Any ideas? Ben Jul 31 15:33:10 server imapd[1557]: Login failure user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:33:17 server imapd[1557]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:36:35 server imapd[1558]: Login failure user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:36:40 server imapd[1558]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:36:52 server imapd[1559]: Login failure user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:36:57 server imapd[1559]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:39:01 server imapd[1560]: Login failure user=green host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:39:09 server imapd[1560]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=green host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:39:20 server imapd[1561]: Login failure user=green host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:39:30 server imapd[1561]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=green host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:39:47 server imapd[1562]: Login failure user=colleen host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:39:52 server imapd[1562]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=colleen host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:40:09 server imapd[1565]: Login user=colleen host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:40:38 server imapd[1565]: Logout user=colleen host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:41:05 server imapd[1566]: Login failure user=green host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:41:11 server imapd[1566]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=green host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:43:14 server imapd[1567]: Login failure user=barbara host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:43:19 server imapd[1567]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=barbara host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:43:31 server imapd[1568]: Login failure user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] Jul 31 15:43:37 server imapd[1568]: command stream end of file, while reading line user=amanda host=[192.168.1.233] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 31 21:15:37 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19976] headers in pine References: Message-ID: <398632C9.4F8B12B2@tc.umn.edu> Ben Luey wrote: > > This is really sad, but how do I view headers in pine? I something need > to get the ip address from a computer by the headers in its e-mail, but I > can't with pine. If I save the message (imap for mail) it doesn't save > the headers and I can't view it the headers, -- I've been going to > netscape mail and saying show all headers, but there must be a better way. > You have to go into Setup->Configuration. There's an option: enable-full-header-cmd. When you're viewing messages, you can just hit `H' (or is it ^H?). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ One man's Windows are / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ another man's walls. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bluey at bucknell.edu Mon Jul 31 21:44:25 2000 From: bluey at bucknell.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19976] headers in pine In-Reply-To: <398632C9.4F8B12B2@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > You have to go into Setup->Configuration. There's an option: > enable-full-header-cmd. When you're viewing messages, you can just hit > `H' (or is it ^H?). I have that option "X"ed, but it doesn't show all the headers? I did a search in Config for header only found that and reply options. hmm... Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Jul 31 23:12:10 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: <005201bffb3a$7f087980$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> <398612A6.6BAAD931@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <39864E1A.2E7A0E1E@tcfreenet.org> > > Okay heres the deal: > > I need/want to make myself a system admin disk. I want it bootable and > > able to boot linux(maybe the bbc), dos, and a memory checker whichs can be > > booted through lilo. Has anyone ever written lilo to a cdr or cdrw? Once I > > get the bootable stuff done, I need to add some other files, and sys admin > > tools, like fdisk, format.... Ghost, Drive Image................. Most of > > the stuff I need from a day to day bais. I want this cd to be the bomb. > > Anyone have any ideas as to how to do the bootable thing with dos, linux and > > the memory manger? How legal do you want this to be? ;) If you want DOS, I'd say find yourself a Win98 CD, reverse engineer MS's DOS based CD boot setup, then add in Linux via Loadlin or SYSLINUX. (Don't know syslinux myself...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org