I'm trying.. On Thursday 07 December 2000 16:09, you wrote: > > I've built many computers, and I've *never* seen any hardware like this.. > > these are not just basic off-the-shelf parts. And they are not threaded > > parts, either... couldn't be that easy, had to be some proprietary > > nightmare. > > Well, the trick is, is to find a place that OEM builds a lot of machines > with this case. They'll have more extra standoffs and extra parts than > they could ever use. ;) > ________________________ Tell you what - if you can find a place that builds on this case, I'll go and bug them for spares! I called MicroCenter's service dept (they do sell this case) and the person I talked to seemed to have little concept of what I needed. Why can't I ever find a bigger geek than myself, when I need one? Uh oh, here comes a RANT! GNS has some new counter help, that I don't think will prove to be very 'helpful' if you know what I mean; unimpressd with his 'can't-do' attitude last time I was in. Ditto for MPC electronics in Eagan. They had this smart young Vietnamese kid there for a while, but the new guy is a clone of the Comic Book Store Guy on the Simpsons, but he listens to contemporary Christian music all day. Bill Layer <b.layer at vikingelectronics.com>