> (2) log in as a user and su to root! Actually, I refuse to do even that. I 'sudo su' (or sudo su -, or sudo tcsh) so I don't have to type in the root passwd. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe at mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help at mn-linux.org